October 3, 2025 • 21 mins
Gregg Rosenthal is in London talking with NFL Network's Cynthia Frelund delivering their Week 4 picks! Their records may be spotty this year but they are confident this is the week it all turns around. They discuss Bills vs Patriots (01:20), Colts vs Raiders (04:34), Eagles vs Broncos (09:23), Chargers vs Commanders (14:25), and finish with Gregg's pick of the year (so far) (16:41).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're about ready to give
up our Jets fandom. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in London
in the Talk Sport two studios looking at my friend
in the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Cynthia Freeland. The
fans demanded it. They said, we.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Don't want anyone else on the Pick show.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We want Cynthia, and we want winners, and Cynthia, you're
a winner.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Even if when we picked the Jets we didn't pick.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Winners, maybe we just need to stop. We might need
to boycott picking the Jets in any capacity. If they're
going to have that many turnovers and that many penalties,
I don't They're just gonna make us look like fools.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
But you know, maybe that's the new rule.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
We are struggling right now at this point in the season,
and we're not going to focus on that. What we're
gonna do is focus on moving forward. And I gotta say,
despite my ugly record and I went one and two
again last week, I have not been as confident in.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Any slate Wow season long.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I really like three of these picks, and one of
these picks is my favorite pick of the entire season.
I'm going to save that because I'm curious if you
have the same one.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Wow, why don't you get us going with your first pick.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Well, I want to get back on the right side
of Goods, So I'm going to start with the Bills.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I think they're going to have.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
They're playing the Patriots at home. I know the division rival. Oh,
this might be the one that you like the most.
I know division rival situations are what they are, however,
and I know the Bills defense has some ability to,
you know, give up a bunch of yards. But I
don't think Josh Allen is going to let anything too
bad happen, especially not at Orchard Park. So I think
I can take the Bills, and I believe they're at
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seven and a half point favorite.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
So I have the Bills by at least.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Eight the Pats plus eight and a half or whatever
it is. It's one of my three. It's one of
your three seven and a half. Yeah, it's one of
my three. Okay, good And I could change it because
I don't like the dooju of the two of us
struggling at the same time and then going against each other.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Right, But it was one win, one of my three Okay,
all right, It's fine by me, So I'm fine being
on the opposite inside of it.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I have Buffalo. You think Buffalo is gonna win, though.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Right, I do the Bills.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
If you look at the last couple of weeks, and
I know this is dangerous. We played two of the
worst teams in the NFL and the Dolphins. In the
Saints they won by ten points and the one by
twelve points.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
They did not cover either time.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I think the Patriots are quietly really good on offense.
I think it is a mismatch for the Patriots offense
when the Bills defense is on the field.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Right now, the Bills are making a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I think Drake may is playing well enough that he
can keep up in a shootout. I usually don't like
going Patriots my heart and my head together, but I
truly do believe the Bills have had the easiest schedule
in the league essentially, and that the Patriots is the.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Big game for them.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
They're scheming open, open receivers week after week. I think
the running game is starting to get going. I think
the Patriots are going to give up a ton of
points and the defense is going to be a problem.
And the Bills win. But you're telling me I get
to get on the winning side of this. If it's
forty to thirty four, if it's thirty four to twenty eight,
(03:29):
I'm taking that.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I think the Bills should just be happy to win.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
This is the second best team in their division, division rivalry.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Cynthia Khan, all Right, I mean, yeah, I'm fine with it.
I'm good with it. I'm fine with you know, I'm great.
I just think the Bills. Look when I'm looking at
the Bills, I like O lines. I like really strong
O line play, and no O line has performed better
than the Bills. Josh Allen's been under the least amount
of pressure. I know Milton Williams is doing well. I
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know Christian Barmore actually has the highest pressure rate amongst
defensive tackles.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I still don't care.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I still just think that Josh Allen and what the
Bills offense has going for them is just a little too.
I don't think they're gonna like cream them. I like
that word, I'm gonna bring it back. They're not gonna
cream them. But I think eight points, I think nine
points is something like that. You said ten to twelve
over the past two weeks, just saying.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, but that was against the Dolphins and the Saints.
You know, they've had a three game homestand it's been
a very generous start to the season other than that
Ravens game, which is a tough way to start the year,
and sound a way to win that Josh Allen in
primetime is a little frightening.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
All right, give me your second pick.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Okay, My second pick is the Colts to win by
six and a half.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
More than six and a half. Okay, they're playing the Raiders,
they're at home. Six and a half is not a touchdown.
That's a good number. There's no see the problem with
the Bills one that almost made me not take it
with that little hook at the end there, right, and
I never want to push it.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Who No one likes ties. I think ties are stupid.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
So anyways, long story short, six and a half in
favor of the Colts. Who you know, look, they almost
pulled it off against the Rams. It was a wee
weird finished to that game. This is a team that
barely punts. Obviously they did it three times in the
second half last week. But I just think that the
Bills on both sides. Even with Zamie and Howard like
surprise retiring, I still think that they have a lot
(05:13):
of positive things going on for them on the offense
and on the defense, not the least of witches Jonathan Taylor,
who only rushed for seventy six yards last game. I
know the Raiders held the Bears to something like sixty
nine total yards and two in the first half, but
I think that's more of a function of the bears
lackluster run game than it is the Raiders' ability to
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really consistently stop them. Say for Max Crosby, who is
his You know, we love Max Crosby, so other than
the elite Max Crosby, like you run the other way,
they have a good opportunity.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, the last time the Raiders went, the defense didn't
travel with them to Washington.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It is a much infermatch.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I do think they get a little juice at home
Max Crosby.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And every Annapolis, That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So I think on the road, I'm less convinced by
this defense, which is not that talented.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Like they're playing.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
They're one of the only teams out there that just
they just play two cornerbacks. They don't really play, they
play their three linebackers, they play their two cornerbacks, and
the two cornerbacks are Eric Stokes and Q Blue Kelly.
And you know, it is very cool Devin White's out
there and think about what the line would be, Cynthia
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if eighty Mitchell hadn't dropped that ball, you know, going
into the end zone, and if ady Mitchell hadn't held
on a play where he really didn't need to.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
One of the best runs of the year, I think,
just pure run.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Jonathan Taylor last year had a long touchdown round called
back from that holding call. Don't you think the line
Let's say they beat the Rams in that game and
they're four and oh, wouldn't the line here be like
seven and a half or eight?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Would they really be a different team? I don't think so,
right right?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
So I is that one of your three.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That is not by I'm curious with like numbers, if
you see stability that have the Cults shown enough on
offense that like now your model see them as real?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, And in large part because the combination of an
improved O line like they're compared to last year, their
O line year every year is better. It's a significant
jump and also which you see that mostly in Jonathan
Taylor's results, And also what you're seeing from Daniel Jones
is his ability. Like I'm not like crowning him some
(07:32):
sort of like second like I'm not Indiana. Jones to
me is like one of my favorite like action heroes
growing up. So I'm not going there yet, But I
do think that what we've seen from his is something
that we thought we were getting when he became the
Giants quarterback, which is from a clean pocket. The man
is an extremely accurate passer. Mind blown, Oh my god,
But that's what we're actually seeing, right, We just when
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he doesn't have a clean pocket, things do go wonkyar.
They go sideways more often. You saw that with two
picks against the Rams when they were bringing back pressure,
so that it does happen. But you know, I think
that their ability to keep him clean, especially in a
game like that, the readers aren't bringing a lot of
pressure when they blitz. There are near the bottom of
the league in terms of the amount of pressure they
get from the blitz. So these are circumstances where Daniel
(08:14):
Jones is set up to succeed. The good news is
he can succeed when he's in the rate circumstance like
this is a good thing. You know, he doesn't need
to be Indiana Jones for that. He could just be
Daniel Jones for that.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I mean he's not really embracing the Indiana Jones thing.
You know, one thing Daniel Jones is not. But he doesn't.
You know, he's just not a lot he could. He's
a little more fun to watch, but he didn't really
like the Danny Dimes things. He just seems like a serious, nice,
young gentleman who's been scarred a little bit by being
the quarterback for the New York Times.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I'm gonna be honest with this.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I saw him in a in a social setting, and
he's a little more fun. I think he's just I
think I think I think he's uh. I think he's
maybe perhaps growing up in the NFL in New York
has made him more structured around where he you know,
he wasn't like doing anything crazy or not. But he
was fun to talk. He was engaging, and he was
he was a good chat.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
He was a good hang.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
You know, nothing like nothing crazy, nothing, no weird stories, nothing.
We're just like, oh, that's a cool guy, great, cool
you know, a little more.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Personality, Dimes after dark.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Dimes after dark in the last one.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It's happening.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Okay, I'm going with a big upset on our show
game debut. I'm not in La so I'm not part
of the show, but I do need to make the picks.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It is not my my favorite pick of the year,
but I.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Do like it.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I'm having the Broncos win in Philadelphia. We don't need
that to happen for this purpose. But they are four
and a half point favorites in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
No, they are four and a half point dogs, right, dogs, right,
all right? So yeah, you get four and a half points,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Love it. The way that Eagles are playing right now.
They're not a complete team.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
And and you look for surprise teams when you look for, oh,
who could have a longer playoff run than you expect?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I bet your model does it. I do it.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You look to line play right now, Broncos still have
one of the best offensive lines in the entire league. Meanwhile,
the Eagles can't get consistent pass rush. They're sending more
blitzes than they want to. It's really a one dimensional
type of pass rush. They're not getting as much heat
off the edge. And then you flip it around and
(10:30):
you got my guy, Nick Benito. All sorts of pressure,
Jonathan Cooper, all sorts of pressure. They're playing fantastic and
they're going up against an Eagles offensive line that right now,
in terms of pass rush win rate, a pass block
win rate, in terms of run block win rate, is
way worse than average.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I'm really stunned to see it.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
And I think you pet meet the hoods and some
of the advanced numbers say these teams are even, or
maybe the Broncos are a little better.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
For instance, they're highering DVA right now, they're nine, Eagles
are twelve.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
To me, these are two even teams where they are
right now, so four and a half points. I like
the Broncos to go in, maybe make a statement and
go ahead and win it.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
But I don't even need them to do that. Just
keep it close.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I'm actually with you on the keeping it close. I
think I have the Eagles by one point. That's where
the model I set it out, so therefore I'm on
the same side. The other thing, the fun fact on
this one is Jonathan Cooper actually helped recruit JK.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Dobbins. They went to Ohio State together, so Coop.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I'm not cool enough to call him that, but Coop
brought in JK, which was a cool kind of a
cool fact. It kind of shows you what it's like
to be on that team a little bit, especially now
that we've seen JK. Dobbins and the run game be
a source of strength. If I were to tell you
that the stronger okay, not like, let's remove the tush
push from the equation, but the team with the stronger
(11:50):
run game through four games is like in terms of
yards per game and yards per carry right now, guess
which team it is. It's not the one with sakuon Barkley.
Like that's a wild thing to like it almost feels
like I'm lying when I'm seeing that, but I'm not.
But they're getting a lot of production out of those
running backs, are getting ten plus yard plays at a
higher clip than the Eagles so far. You take the
toush push out, which is like gold, right, that works
(12:14):
ninety percent of the time, It works on a hundred
percent of whatever it is, but like you know, it
works really well, and you're you're getting a lot of
production from them in the run game, which helps to
set up their good defense to kind of overcome some
of the hurdles that bo Nix has had with turnovers
so far yet this season.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, bo Nix is my concern in this game. But yeah,
the running game in terms of the success rate. Again,
I trust the Broncos a little more and I do it,
but my very unscientific method. I feel like the Broncos
deserve to be three and two, yep. And I feel
like the Eagles don't deserve to be five and oh,
they should be four and one.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
So that's why it'll come together. By the way, I
saw John Gonzales over here in London.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Oh, I didn't know he was friend of the show.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
He's just out here watching soccer.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And he showed me a leg tattoo that his friend
has of the play design of the toush push on
his leg and the man has to shave the hair
off his leg so that everyone can see the toush
push that the man will remain nameless. I don't know
if he wants that out there, but it is in
this amazing sight.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Is someone that I know, No, it's.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Not someone that you know, but it is someone some
moderately public like media figure. So got it. I'll just
leave it at that. All right, you got your third pick.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Okay, First off, tattoos are great. Love a tattoo. I
have a tattoo or two tattoos in fact, but I
don't like when it involves shaving anything. If you if
you can't, like just like on your head. No, no,
no place is that anyways. So that's my personal thought
on because.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
At some point, like if he doesn't shave it, it'll
just be like the toush push in real weird in
like a garden, yeah, natural grass.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I guess would is.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
This person from Philly because like people from phil a
different breed of course, of course, yeah, they're all a
different breed, even Colleen, who I love very dearly, she
is a different breed and she's you know, from Philly.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
So it's not it's not Colleen. It's not calling.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
No, it's not I can I get confirm it's not Colleen.
I work with her every week.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Okay, so my last pick.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I have some some consternation over this one, but I
think that even though I have the Chargers winning, I
want to take Washington with the field goal of points.
Did I say that right with three points right, so
Washington plus three, I do have the Chargers winning, but
it's very close, which means to me the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I love good o line play. And when you have
to replace, you have to replace. Now.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Rashawn Slater, Joe All, Rashawn Slater her before the season,
Joe All moves over to the left. Joell's doing great
on the left. He's taking single pressure like he's handling
his business. Now you have him, got love a good
Austin decklist moment. The kid told me at the East
West Triangle how he likes to eat alligator. He's from Louisiana.
But good for him? Is me mas gram or whatever
(15:01):
she made it for me? Like he's he's a great kid,
doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be able to handle
this Washington front bringing pressure at the third highest rate
in the league. That's just a mismatch to me. That
means a closer, potential game could come down to a
field goal. Something weird happening. We know Justin Herbert doesn't
turn the ball over more often, but with more pressure
that could happen. Those are the types of things that
I look for.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
It's so funny that you pick this game, both this
game and the Browns. If I'm throwing in some extra picks,
would be my extra picks, kind of like the Browns
here in London plus three and a half more?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Are there more? Wish?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Mic was not sure yet London.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
It's it's not like Dublin where it takes over the city.
It's also still only Thursday, but you know, it's like
having the Super Bowl in New York. So when I
get they're going to have some NFL events this weekend. Obviously,
once we get to the game, we'll see. I would
suspect the Vikings fans will travel better. There were more
Vikings fans last week in Dublin than I expected. But
(15:58):
I do like the Browns and quick Commanders. Man, the
Chargers up front are giving up pressure at just an outrageous.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Ro per last week to the Giants. I mean, the
Giants are really good upfront, but that's that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And a lot of it's on the interior too. It's
it's it's Bradley Boseman. It's one of their starters who's
really struggling. And that's where the Commanders are pretty good.
You get Jade Daniels back for this game. Commander's defense
has been a little up and down, but the offense,
whether it's Mariota or Jade Daniels, has been really good.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I think they're catching the Chargers at the right time.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I'm thinking about taking the Commanders straight up either way.
I like you there, Okay, enough preamble, I pick of
the year, pick of the year. You actually well so far.
You actually got to call the one nine hundred number
to get my pick of the year. And the other
picks I gave you were all free, but you've got
to you got to call one nine hundred triple g h.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
No, don't call that. It's it's home against Oh yeah,
it's Seattle at home against the Buccaneers. I think Seattle
might be the best team in the league. I think
they have the best defense in the league. They've had
the best special teams.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Everything is really balanced. They have extra rest. I like
that that they're coming off the Thursday night game. I
know they have not been a good home team. The
Buccaneers Cynthia were so banged up on Wednesday they held
a walk through and Todd Bowles half joked, yeah, we
had more you know players that weren't going to practice
(17:35):
than were available to practice, so we just held a
walk through. I mean, there's not going to be Mike
Evans in this game. We don't expect Bucky Irving. We
know that the right side of the offensive line was
a mess last week. They might be missing two cornerbacks
in terms of Jamel Dean is her and then his
backup Benjamin Morrison is her. And even if they were healthy,
(17:58):
I like the Seahawks and this game because I like
the Seahawks right now, and so to me, this is
actually a mismatch. I would go up to six seven
points on this and like the Seahawks in this specific week.
The Bucks will get better, they'll get healthier, they won't
have the rest disadvantage eventually. But I really love Seattle,
and I know my picks haven't been good this year.
(18:20):
But if I I'm gonna know anything this year, this
pick is going to be right, Cynthia, I better get
this right.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Well, the nine hundred number is riding on it, so no,
I'm I'm actually with you on this one. You know,
it's very tricky with injury reports coming out when you
don't know who's playing to pick like to me, I
feel very confident that Seattle win. I don't know where
the line will land, like I think by the time
the game starts, I don't know what it will be.
So if it's what three and a half, now, what
(18:47):
is it three and a half, four and a half,
something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's three, it's.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Three, as I would imagine, and so perhaps that's smart.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Yeah, if it gets.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
It was less before.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
To be fair, Julian Love and Devin Witherspoon have been
out of practice for the Seahawks, so they have some
injury issues. But the thing I love about their defense
is they have players at every level. They're really cohesive.
Every week you kind of know what you're getting. They're
gonna make you work to get touchdowns. Can the Buccaneers
with that group go on these long touchdown drives without
(19:23):
Baker making a big mistake and without a running game
that hasn't really been good all season, like, I don't
think they can well.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And also they're rushing the passer with just four so
if you can drop guys back into coverage, that will
help soften the blow should they be missing a Devin
Witherspoon or whatnot. Because if you don't have to bring
five or more pass rushers. You can drop more into coverage,
so that will help with you know, the a Mechabukahs
of the world. What are you smiling about? What are
(19:51):
you laughing at me before?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Oh, I'm just thinking about how Yeah, the nine hundred
number depends on it. Yes, And look, we're not We're
not just here, Cynthia for the picks because the picks
haven't been perfect this year. We're here for the information, yep.
And we're here for the hang like Danny Dimes.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah, after dark, great hang.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Like we're a good time together, even when we're in
different countries, different continents. The sun of Cynthia Freeland like
shines through the camera.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
So I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I appreciate you, and you know, it's it's kind of amazing.
I'm so glad you're coming to us from the future.
That actually probably makes your picks better, just saying, you know,
because you already know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
The line has moved actually here, but not back there.
We aren't done this week, by the way, Cynthia check
her out game debut.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It's on on Friday.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
But there's there's reairs throughout the weekend, including on Sunday
Morning with Patrick Claibon.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
She's got her YouTube show Numbers Games.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
She's also doing a show with the thirty third team
that on our YouTube channel with Logan Ryan. Check that
all out and guess what, NFL Daily's not done for
the week.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
While we're overseas. We got to justify the trip.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
If they're gonna send me over here, we're gonna do
some extra shows. So we're gonna drop an extra show
in the feed with one of my favorite football voices
in the entire world. Is It's Ollie Connolly and he
is just so sharp, and we're gonna go through some
of the biggest surprises of the twenty twenty five seasons.
So that will drop in the feed on Saturday. Until then,
(21:32):
we will see you. And the next time I see you, Cynthia,
we'll be.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Back in Los Angeles next week. I cannot wait that
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we're about ready to give
up our Jets fandom. I'm Greg Rosenthal here in London
in the Talk Sport two studios looking at my friend
in the Chris Westling podcast studio. It's Cynthia Freeland. The
fans demanded it. They said, we.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Don't want anyone else on the Pick show.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We want Cynthia, and we want winners, and Cynthia, you're
a winner.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Even if when we picked the Jets we didn't pick.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Winners, maybe we just need to stop. We might need
to boycott picking the Jets in any capacity. If they're
going to have that many turnovers and that many penalties,
I don't They're just gonna make us look like fools.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
But you know, maybe that's the new rule.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
We are struggling right now at this point in the season,
and we're not going to focus on that. What we're
gonna do is focus on moving forward. And I gotta say,
despite my ugly record and I went one and two
again last week, I have not been as confident in.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Any slate Wow season long.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
I really like three of these picks, and one of
these picks is my favorite pick of the entire season.
I'm going to save that because I'm curious if you
have the same one.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Wow, why don't you get us going with your first pick.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Well, I want to get back on the right side
of Goods, So I'm going to start with the Bills.
Speaker 4 (01:20):
I think they're going to have.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
They're playing the Patriots at home. I know the division rival. Oh,
this might be the one that you like the most.
I know division rival situations are what they are, however,
and I know the Bills defense has some ability to,
you know, give up a bunch of yards. But I
don't think Josh Allen is going to let anything too
bad happen, especially not at Orchard Park. So I think
I can take the Bills, and I believe they're at
(01:42):
seven and a half point favorite.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
So I have the Bills by at least.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Eight the Pats plus eight and a half or whatever
it is. It's one of my three. It's one of
your three seven and a half. Yeah, it's one of
my three. Okay, good And I could change it because
I don't like the dooju of the two of us
struggling at the same time and then going against each other.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Right, But it was one win, one of my three Okay,
all right, It's fine by me, So I'm fine being
on the opposite inside of it.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I have Buffalo. You think Buffalo is gonna win, though.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Right, I do the Bills.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
If you look at the last couple of weeks, and
I know this is dangerous. We played two of the
worst teams in the NFL and the Dolphins. In the
Saints they won by ten points and the one by
twelve points.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
They did not cover either time.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
I think the Patriots are quietly really good on offense.
I think it is a mismatch for the Patriots offense
when the Bills defense is on the field.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Right now, the Bills are making a lot of mistakes.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
I think Drake may is playing well enough that he
can keep up in a shootout. I usually don't like
going Patriots my heart and my head together, but I
truly do believe the Bills have had the easiest schedule
in the league essentially, and that the Patriots is the.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Big game for them.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
They're scheming open, open receivers week after week. I think
the running game is starting to get going. I think
the Patriots are going to give up a ton of
points and the defense is going to be a problem.
And the Bills win. But you're telling me I get
to get on the winning side of this. If it's
forty to thirty four, if it's thirty four to twenty eight,
(03:29):
I'm taking that.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
I think the Bills should just be happy to win.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
This is the second best team in their division, division rivalry.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Cynthia Khan, all Right, I mean, yeah, I'm fine with it.
I'm good with it. I'm fine with you know, I'm great.
I just think the Bills. Look when I'm looking at
the Bills, I like O lines. I like really strong
O line play, and no O line has performed better
than the Bills. Josh Allen's been under the least amount
of pressure. I know Milton Williams is doing well. I
(03:55):
know Christian Barmore actually has the highest pressure rate amongst
defensive tackles.
Speaker 4 (03:59):
I still don't care.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I still just think that Josh Allen and what the
Bills offense has going for them is just a little too.
I don't think they're gonna like cream them. I like
that word, I'm gonna bring it back. They're not gonna
cream them. But I think eight points, I think nine
points is something like that. You said ten to twelve
over the past two weeks, just saying.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah, but that was against the Dolphins and the Saints.
You know, they've had a three game homestand it's been
a very generous start to the season other than that
Ravens game, which is a tough way to start the year,
and sound a way to win that Josh Allen in
primetime is a little frightening.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
All right, give me your second pick.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Okay, My second pick is the Colts to win by
six and a half.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
More than six and a half. Okay, they're playing the Raiders,
they're at home. Six and a half is not a touchdown.
That's a good number. There's no see the problem with
the Bills one that almost made me not take it
with that little hook at the end there, right, and
I never want to push it.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Who No one likes ties. I think ties are stupid.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
So anyways, long story short, six and a half in
favor of the Colts. Who you know, look, they almost
pulled it off against the Rams. It was a wee
weird finished to that game. This is a team that
barely punts. Obviously they did it three times in the
second half last week. But I just think that the
Bills on both sides. Even with Zamie and Howard like
surprise retiring, I still think that they have a lot
(05:13):
of positive things going on for them on the offense
and on the defense, not the least of witches Jonathan Taylor,
who only rushed for seventy six yards last game. I
know the Raiders held the Bears to something like sixty
nine total yards and two in the first half, but
I think that's more of a function of the bears
lackluster run game than it is the Raiders' ability to
(05:33):
really consistently stop them. Say for Max Crosby, who is
his You know, we love Max Crosby, so other than
the elite Max Crosby, like you run the other way,
they have a good opportunity.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah, the last time the Raiders went, the defense didn't
travel with them to Washington.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It is a much infermatch.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
I do think they get a little juice at home
Max Crosby.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
And every Annapolis, That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
So I think on the road, I'm less convinced by
this defense, which is not that talented.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Like they're playing.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
They're one of the only teams out there that just
they just play two cornerbacks. They don't really play, they
play their three linebackers, they play their two cornerbacks, and
the two cornerbacks are Eric Stokes and Q Blue Kelly.
And you know, it is very cool Devin White's out
there and think about what the line would be, Cynthia
(06:26):
if eighty Mitchell hadn't dropped that ball, you know, going
into the end zone, and if ady Mitchell hadn't held
on a play where he really didn't need to.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
One of the best runs of the year, I think,
just pure run.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Jonathan Taylor last year had a long touchdown round called
back from that holding call. Don't you think the line
Let's say they beat the Rams in that game and
they're four and oh, wouldn't the line here be like
seven and a half or eight?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Would they really be a different team? I don't think so,
right right?
Speaker 4 (06:54):
So I is that one of your three.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
That is not by I'm curious with like numbers, if
you see stability that have the Cults shown enough on
offense that like now your model see them as real?
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Yeah, And in large part because the combination of an
improved O line like they're compared to last year, their
O line year every year is better. It's a significant
jump and also which you see that mostly in Jonathan
Taylor's results, And also what you're seeing from Daniel Jones
is his ability. Like I'm not like crowning him some
(07:32):
sort of like second like I'm not Indiana. Jones to
me is like one of my favorite like action heroes
growing up. So I'm not going there yet, But I
do think that what we've seen from his is something
that we thought we were getting when he became the
Giants quarterback, which is from a clean pocket. The man
is an extremely accurate passer. Mind blown, Oh my god,
But that's what we're actually seeing, right, We just when
(07:53):
he doesn't have a clean pocket, things do go wonkyar.
They go sideways more often. You saw that with two
picks against the Rams when they were bringing back pressure,
so that it does happen. But you know, I think
that their ability to keep him clean, especially in a
game like that, the readers aren't bringing a lot of
pressure when they blitz. There are near the bottom of
the league in terms of the amount of pressure they
get from the blitz. So these are circumstances where Daniel
(08:14):
Jones is set up to succeed. The good news is
he can succeed when he's in the rate circumstance like
this is a good thing. You know, he doesn't need
to be Indiana Jones for that. He could just be
Daniel Jones for that.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I mean he's not really embracing the Indiana Jones thing.
You know, one thing Daniel Jones is not. But he doesn't.
You know, he's just not a lot he could. He's
a little more fun to watch, but he didn't really
like the Danny Dimes things. He just seems like a serious, nice,
young gentleman who's been scarred a little bit by being
the quarterback for the New York Times.
Speaker 4 (08:45):
I'm gonna be honest with this.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
I saw him in a in a social setting, and
he's a little more fun. I think he's just I
think I think I think he's uh. I think he's
maybe perhaps growing up in the NFL in New York
has made him more structured around where he you know,
he wasn't like doing anything crazy or not. But he
was fun to talk. He was engaging, and he was
he was a good chat.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
He was a good hang.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
You know, nothing like nothing crazy, nothing, no weird stories, nothing.
We're just like, oh, that's a cool guy, great, cool
you know, a little more.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Personality, Dimes after dark.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
Dimes after dark in the last one.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
It's happening.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Okay, I'm going with a big upset on our show
game debut. I'm not in La so I'm not part
of the show, but I do need to make the picks.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It is not my my favorite pick of the year,
but I.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Do like it.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
I'm having the Broncos win in Philadelphia. We don't need
that to happen for this purpose. But they are four
and a half point favorites in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
No, they are four and a half point dogs, right, dogs, right,
all right? So yeah, you get four and a half points,
that's right.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Love it. The way that Eagles are playing right now.
They're not a complete team.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
And and you look for surprise teams when you look for, oh,
who could have a longer playoff run than you expect?
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I bet your model does it. I do it.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
You look to line play right now, Broncos still have
one of the best offensive lines in the entire league. Meanwhile,
the Eagles can't get consistent pass rush. They're sending more
blitzes than they want to. It's really a one dimensional
type of pass rush. They're not getting as much heat
off the edge. And then you flip it around and
(10:30):
you got my guy, Nick Benito. All sorts of pressure,
Jonathan Cooper, all sorts of pressure. They're playing fantastic and
they're going up against an Eagles offensive line that right now,
in terms of pass rush win rate, a pass block
win rate, in terms of run block win rate, is
way worse than average.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I'm really stunned to see it.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
And I think you pet meet the hoods and some
of the advanced numbers say these teams are even, or
maybe the Broncos are a little better.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
For instance, they're highering DVA right now, they're nine, Eagles
are twelve.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
To me, these are two even teams where they are
right now, so four and a half points. I like
the Broncos to go in, maybe make a statement and
go ahead and win it.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
But I don't even need them to do that. Just
keep it close.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
I'm actually with you on the keeping it close. I
think I have the Eagles by one point. That's where
the model I set it out, so therefore I'm on
the same side. The other thing, the fun fact on
this one is Jonathan Cooper actually helped recruit JK.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
Dobbins. They went to Ohio State together, so Coop.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
I'm not cool enough to call him that, but Coop
brought in JK, which was a cool kind of a
cool fact. It kind of shows you what it's like
to be on that team a little bit, especially now
that we've seen JK. Dobbins and the run game be
a source of strength. If I were to tell you
that the stronger okay, not like, let's remove the tush
push from the equation, but the team with the stronger
(11:50):
run game through four games is like in terms of
yards per game and yards per carry right now, guess
which team it is. It's not the one with sakuon Barkley.
Like that's a wild thing to like it almost feels
like I'm lying when I'm seeing that, but I'm not.
But they're getting a lot of production out of those
running backs, are getting ten plus yard plays at a
higher clip than the Eagles so far. You take the
toush push out, which is like gold, right, that works
(12:14):
ninety percent of the time, It works on a hundred
percent of whatever it is, but like you know, it
works really well, and you're you're getting a lot of
production from them in the run game, which helps to
set up their good defense to kind of overcome some
of the hurdles that bo Nix has had with turnovers
so far yet this season.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, bo Nix is my concern in this game. But yeah,
the running game in terms of the success rate. Again,
I trust the Broncos a little more and I do it,
but my very unscientific method. I feel like the Broncos
deserve to be three and two, yep. And I feel
like the Eagles don't deserve to be five and oh,
they should be four and one.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
So that's why it'll come together. By the way, I
saw John Gonzales over here in London.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
Oh, I didn't know he was friend of the show.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
He's just out here watching soccer.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
And he showed me a leg tattoo that his friend
has of the play design of the toush push on
his leg and the man has to shave the hair
off his leg so that everyone can see the toush
push that the man will remain nameless. I don't know
if he wants that out there, but it is in
this amazing sight.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
Is someone that I know, No, it's.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Not someone that you know, but it is someone some
moderately public like media figure. So got it. I'll just
leave it at that. All right, you got your third pick.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Okay, First off, tattoos are great. Love a tattoo. I
have a tattoo or two tattoos in fact, but I
don't like when it involves shaving anything. If you if
you can't, like just like on your head. No, no,
no place is that anyways. So that's my personal thought
on because.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
At some point, like if he doesn't shave it, it'll
just be like the toush push in real weird in
like a garden, yeah, natural grass.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
I guess would is.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
This person from Philly because like people from phil a
different breed of course, of course, yeah, they're all a
different breed, even Colleen, who I love very dearly, she
is a different breed and she's you know, from Philly.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
So it's not it's not Colleen. It's not calling.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
No, it's not I can I get confirm it's not Colleen.
I work with her every week.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Okay, so my last pick.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I have some some consternation over this one, but I
think that even though I have the Chargers winning, I
want to take Washington with the field goal of points.
Did I say that right with three points right, so
Washington plus three, I do have the Chargers winning, but
it's very close, which means to me the opportunity.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I love good o line play. And when you have
to replace, you have to replace. Now.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
Rashawn Slater, Joe All, Rashawn Slater her before the season,
Joe All moves over to the left. Joell's doing great
on the left. He's taking single pressure like he's handling
his business. Now you have him, got love a good
Austin decklist moment. The kid told me at the East
West Triangle how he likes to eat alligator. He's from Louisiana.
But good for him? Is me mas gram or whatever
(15:01):
she made it for me? Like he's he's a great kid,
doesn't necessarily mean he's going to be able to handle
this Washington front bringing pressure at the third highest rate
in the league. That's just a mismatch to me. That
means a closer, potential game could come down to a
field goal. Something weird happening. We know Justin Herbert doesn't
turn the ball over more often, but with more pressure
that could happen. Those are the types of things that
I look for.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
It's so funny that you pick this game, both this
game and the Browns. If I'm throwing in some extra picks,
would be my extra picks, kind of like the Browns
here in London plus three and a half more?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Are there more? Wish?
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Mic was not sure yet London.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
It's it's not like Dublin where it takes over the city.
It's also still only Thursday, but you know, it's like
having the Super Bowl in New York. So when I
get they're going to have some NFL events this weekend. Obviously,
once we get to the game, we'll see. I would
suspect the Vikings fans will travel better. There were more
Vikings fans last week in Dublin than I expected. But
(15:58):
I do like the Browns and quick Commanders. Man, the
Chargers up front are giving up pressure at just an outrageous.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Ro per last week to the Giants. I mean, the
Giants are really good upfront, but that's that's a lot.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
And a lot of it's on the interior too. It's
it's it's Bradley Boseman. It's one of their starters who's
really struggling. And that's where the Commanders are pretty good.
You get Jade Daniels back for this game. Commander's defense
has been a little up and down, but the offense,
whether it's Mariota or Jade Daniels, has been really good.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
I think they're catching the Chargers at the right time.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I'm thinking about taking the Commanders straight up either way.
I like you there, Okay, enough preamble, I pick of
the year, pick of the year. You actually well so far.
You actually got to call the one nine hundred number
to get my pick of the year. And the other
picks I gave you were all free, but you've got
to you got to call one nine hundred triple g h.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
No, don't call that. It's it's home against Oh yeah,
it's Seattle at home against the Buccaneers. I think Seattle
might be the best team in the league. I think
they have the best defense in the league. They've had
the best special teams.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
In the league.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Everything is really balanced. They have extra rest. I like
that that they're coming off the Thursday night game. I
know they have not been a good home team. The
Buccaneers Cynthia were so banged up on Wednesday they held
a walk through and Todd Bowles half joked, yeah, we
had more you know players that weren't going to practice
(17:35):
than were available to practice, so we just held a
walk through. I mean, there's not going to be Mike
Evans in this game. We don't expect Bucky Irving. We
know that the right side of the offensive line was
a mess last week. They might be missing two cornerbacks
in terms of Jamel Dean is her and then his
backup Benjamin Morrison is her. And even if they were healthy,
(17:58):
I like the Seahawks and this game because I like
the Seahawks right now, and so to me, this is
actually a mismatch. I would go up to six seven
points on this and like the Seahawks in this specific week.
The Bucks will get better, they'll get healthier, they won't
have the rest disadvantage eventually. But I really love Seattle,
and I know my picks haven't been good this year.
(18:20):
But if I I'm gonna know anything this year, this
pick is going to be right, Cynthia, I better get
this right.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Well, the nine hundred number is riding on it, so no,
I'm I'm actually with you on this one. You know,
it's very tricky with injury reports coming out when you
don't know who's playing to pick like to me, I
feel very confident that Seattle win. I don't know where
the line will land, like I think by the time
the game starts, I don't know what it will be.
So if it's what three and a half, now, what
(18:47):
is it three and a half, four and a half,
something like that.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's three, it's.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
Three, as I would imagine, and so perhaps that's smart.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
Yeah, if it gets.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
It was less before.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
To be fair, Julian Love and Devin Witherspoon have been
out of practice for the Seahawks, so they have some
injury issues. But the thing I love about their defense
is they have players at every level. They're really cohesive.
Every week you kind of know what you're getting. They're
gonna make you work to get touchdowns. Can the Buccaneers
with that group go on these long touchdown drives without
(19:23):
Baker making a big mistake and without a running game
that hasn't really been good all season, like, I don't
think they can well.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
And also they're rushing the passer with just four so
if you can drop guys back into coverage, that will
help soften the blow should they be missing a Devin
Witherspoon or whatnot. Because if you don't have to bring
five or more pass rushers. You can drop more into coverage,
so that will help with you know, the a Mechabukahs
of the world. What are you smiling about? What are
(19:51):
you laughing at me before?
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Oh, I'm just thinking about how Yeah, the nine hundred
number depends on it. Yes, And look, we're not We're
not just here, Cynthia for the picks because the picks
haven't been perfect this year. We're here for the information, yep.
And we're here for the hang like Danny Dimes.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah, after dark, great hang.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
Like we're a good time together, even when we're in
different countries, different continents. The sun of Cynthia Freeland like
shines through the camera.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
So I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I appreciate you, and you know, it's it's kind of amazing.
I'm so glad you're coming to us from the future.
That actually probably makes your picks better, just saying, you know,
because you already know what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
The line has moved actually here, but not back there.
We aren't done this week, by the way, Cynthia check
her out game debut.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It's on on Friday.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
But there's there's reairs throughout the weekend, including on Sunday
Morning with Patrick Claibon.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
She's got her YouTube show Numbers Games.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
She's also doing a show with the thirty third team
that on our YouTube channel with Logan Ryan. Check that
all out and guess what, NFL Daily's not done for
the week.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
While we're overseas. We got to justify the trip.
Speaker 1 (21:10):
If they're gonna send me over here, we're gonna do
some extra shows. So we're gonna drop an extra show
in the feed with one of my favorite football voices
in the entire world. Is It's Ollie Connolly and he
is just so sharp, and we're gonna go through some
of the biggest surprises of the twenty twenty five seasons.
So that will drop in the feed on Saturday. Until then,
(21:32):
we will see you. And the next time I see you, Cynthia,
we'll be.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Back in Los Angeles next week. I cannot wait that
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