What’s Next For the Eagles, Saints Hire Kellen Moore and Ranking the Best Super Bowl Winners since 2012

Gregg Rosenthal is joined by AllPHLY.com writer and PHLY Eagles Podcast host Bo Wulf, who takes us inside the winning locker room of the Super Bowl LIX champion Philadelphia Eagles. They discuss why Nick Sirianni has earned a spot among the NFL’s highest-paid coaches and analyze the key changes that propelled the Eagles to the top. Gregg and Bo dissect how Philly dominated on the biggest stage and dive into which starters are most likely to leave in free agency. The guys share their reactions to Kellen Moore’s hiring as the New Orleans Saints’ next head coach and rank the best Super Bowl winners since 2012!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:03):
Well up to NFL Daily where we just can't help ourselves.
I'm Greg Rosenthal back in Los Angeles and thrilled to
be joined by my friend Boots on the ground in Philadelphia,
the host of the p h l Y Eagles podcast.
It's Bo Wolf. You'll know them and you'll love.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
Them, I hope, So thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
I just wanted to have it. Just felt like we
need to finish this circle. Bo, Yeah, we need we
need to close the championship circle. And you've been on
the show throughout this this Eagles run, and I wasn't
done talking about this Eagles team, but then they popped
up in the news. We'll talk a little Kellen Moore
some stray final thoughts. I want to hear what the

(00:46):
locker rooms, you know, was like after the game, everything
post game. We're gonna do a hastily constructed list of
the best Super Bowl winners since the last time the
Super Bowl was in New Orleans. It just felt like
that's a good cutoff. That was that Ravens one because
leaving that game, that and I am trying not to
be hyperbolic. Some some of the listeners think I'm hyperbolic.

(01:09):
I'm thinking is that like the best super Bowl team
and in a decade. So I had to make a list,
very hastily constructed. You can help me through that. But yeah,
let's let's start with the Eagles. Just normally, like to
the victory goes to spoils here bo, But for you,
the spoils is like a second podcast just hours after
you get back from Philadelphia when your family is probably

(01:31):
angry on you.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, I got I mean, I got four hours of
sleep last night, so I'm feeling pretty good. That's part
of the super Bowl night.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, uh yeah, walking through a little bit. What what
was the post super Bowl experience like for you and
for the Eagles? And yes, we are going to get
to it to Kellen Moore pretty soon. I do want
to get to that because it's very Eagles related. It's
the biggest news of the day. He will be the saint,
said coach. But let's let's go through the Eagle stuff first.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
So the postgame locker room itself was a wild scene
and and you really appreciate it, right because it's you
look around the room and as they're all, you know,
spraying champagne and dancing and they've all got you know, cigars.
Smokes filled the air, like my clothes still smell like cigars.

(02:18):
You look around the room and and and everybody has
a story, right, Like not just the top of the
roster players like like aj Brown and Jalen Hurts, but
like the bottom of the roster players like Isaiah Rodgers
and Orn Burkes guys like that, but all the coaches,
all the support staff, all the front office people, like
every single person in there, like this is what they

(02:39):
go to work every day for. Is a job, is
a night like this and their families. You know, it extends,
it extends so far beyond that, like it is all
in service of and in sacrifice for getting to this moment.
And so you look around the room and you appreciate it.
I can only compare it to the the winning Super
Bowl locker room after the two thousand and Sevenantine Eagles

(03:01):
won it all, and that one was was a celebration,
but it wasn't It wasn't quite so boisterous. I would
say it was a little bit more muted, like Doug
Peterson gave a little speech afterwards, like there were there
was no speech to be made this time around, as
as the music was blaring and CJ. Garner. Johnson's in
the middle practice squad safety Andre sam I feel like

(03:21):
was was the star of the show who was like
really all over the place, and then there's like, you know, A. J.
Brown was in the middle for a little bit, but
for the most part, he was just sort of sitting
in his locker sort of in contemplation and you know,
talking with a couple members of the training staff, and
you know, I think it was sort of a reflection
of he was playing through a lot of pain at
the end of the season and and probably needed to

(03:43):
do a lot to get through it. You know, Lane
Johnson's a little bit off to the side. He's the
you know, he's he's the veteran here. This is like
the you know, the cementing of his Hall of Fame
resume to some degree. But you know, it was it
was it was fun to watch, it was fun to
be a part of. And then you know, Big Jay
journals that that Zach and I are found ourselves at

(04:05):
the you know, the Eagles after party. Oh yeah, and
to me and I wrote about this on all phl
y dot com. Now in the postgame locker room, Nick
Sirian is a little bit a little bit more muted.
You know, this was a player's thing. But you know
when it gets to two am at the you know,
at the at the team party, Nick was feeling himself
a little bit. You know, he goes on stage, he's, uh,

(04:26):
he's popping lock into uh, you know, buy you a drank,
and he's he's singing all the words to my prerogative
And like, if anybody has ever deserved it to like celebrate,
it is Nick Sirianni because he's been doubted so much.
And there's a delightful irony here, Greg that you will
appreciate because you know, they're among the stars who were
there that night. You know, you've got Shane Gillis is there,

(04:49):
and Pete Davidson is there. But you know who else
was there? Bill Belichick? And so Bill Belichick, the guy
who was essentially threatening and maybe back channeling to take
Nick Sirianni's job thirteen months ago, is there as Nick
Sirianni is the head coach on top of the world.
And I think there's a there's a delightful irony in

(05:10):
that for for Sirianni.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Now, did they have a moment together? Do you do
you have any.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Idea, And I wasn't there. I wasn't there all night.
I was only there for like the last hour. But
I don't I don't. I don't think so. But I
haven't heard, honestly, either way, I can't say one way
or another.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Yeah, I was wondering if I should hit up our
our mutual friend for like an invite to that, but
I was feeling a little cashed out by by like
one in the morning. It's not my freaking party anyways.
I was like, I also knew I had a sleeping
wife and son in the room that would have been
even more annoyed when I woke them up at three
or four in the morning. Instead of won either way,

(05:44):
I did not. I did not have to go. I
that's funny you mention that. Okay, that's taking us in
a different direction, But how close do you think that
ever was the happening, Because the fact that there was
a conversation between Howie Roseman and Bill Belichick, it's pretty astounding. Frankly,
that shows maybe it's just them giving him the respect

(06:06):
and Bill Belichick's sort of back channel, as you're implying.
But to me, I read that as that's something they're
considering doing, which is a wild door not taken, and
they obviously look at the coaching position differently than most organizations.
You guys have helped inform me of that over the years,
and it's kind of obvious that they chose these coordinators

(06:27):
not Nick. So how close do you think it was
to a totally wild and I'm sure less successful because
it couldn't have been more successful door number two.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I don't think that it was ever super close, but
I did have the framing last year that I think
if they were ever going to do it, it would
have been last year because you looked at what they
did with the coordinators, right, you know, you had Vic
Fangio and you had Kellen Moore, the most turnkey options
on the market, right, Because I think they believed in
their hearts that this was a Super Bowl caliber roster

(06:58):
and so what they needed was was somebody to keep
it on the rails. And so the Vic Fangil version
of a head coach in that situation would obviously have
been Bill Belichick. Now, I don't think that that would
have been a you know, a lasting marriage because as
we've talked about, like this is a GM centric organization,
I think they would have eventually butted heads as to
who's in charge of stuff. But my understanding is also

(07:20):
that this was probably more of a Jeff Lurry fascination
than Howie Roseman one. Even though I think even though
I think Hawie Roseman has a good relationship with Bill Belichick,
I think all indications are that Howie was one of
the ones who was fighting on behalf of keeping Nick Sirianni.
I think he thinks they have a good working relationship.
You know, you could be you could play you know,
machiavellian and think that it's because it's somebody that he

(07:43):
knows will sort of just worry about coaching and not
try to get involved in the front office. And he
can hire the coaches. But if we want to, you know,
when we do pivot to Kellen Moore, I think that's
an interesting part of who has the power here in
how they go about backfilling Kellen more.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yeah, that that will be telling. And now Syrian, he's
gonna be like one of the highest paid coaches in
NFL history, have you not?

Speaker 2 (08:09):
He deserves to be on stage like puffing on his chest.
He did it. I mean, it's it's unbelievable. I know
what we will get to like thinking of this team
big picture, but I mean the truth is they didn't
lose a game all season long. When Jalen Hurts and
AJ Brown played the entire game.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Like now I listen to your post show, I heard
that one and that's true. And going through this list
of of the recent champions, I sorted it more on
just like in a given week, who would you be
afraid to play in this Eagles team? You know, spoiler
alert is high on that list. I think the resume
also matters. And the whole they only lost three games.

(08:47):
One of them is with Jalen Hurts getting hurt halfway
through and they blow it all though it was a
defense that that blew that game. One of them was
Sakuon Barkley dropping the ball. That that happens. You know,
every team has a loss kind of like that, but
they they probably should have won that game. The other one, though,
I'll push back on it, they got wiped out by
the Bucks a J. Brown not saving him that game.
But it's also week four. I think this whole season

(09:09):
for the Eagles is a Week five Onward conversation, which
is very similar to another team very high on my
list spoiler alert, the twenty fourteen Patriots who went to
and two, and that was the year everyone was like,
is Belichick losing it? They actually asked him a question
about Benjing Brady after going to and two, which was
my friend Tom Kurrd, which was amazing. And you know,

(09:30):
after that, they were one of the best Patriots teams ever.
And this Eagles team after they put Cooper de gene in,
after they just started improving since that week five, were
one of the best teams ever. I owe. I do
wonder if part of the reason they wouldn't have gotten
down the Belichick road is just like they had Fangio
there and he was their white whale. And it is
really funny as we transition a little bit, and if

(09:52):
you have more thoughts on stuff after the game, I'm
happy to hear it, because that's stuff you have that
no one else does. But watching, you know, rewatching that
game and thinking about the game, it's funny how much
credit Fangio gets deservedly for this defense he build, and
yet how much the game plan was like not that important.

(10:16):
He is calling back to a time in the NFL
when it's not about how look how smart all these
coaches are. They have to run the fewest amount of
coverages in the league, and in that game especially, they
just ran what they ran, Like Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid
knew exactly what the Chiefs were doing the entire game.
There was no trickery, there was no blitzing, there's no

(10:36):
there's barely any like of the the sim pressures or
even the fancier stuff. They do. Like they're just going
out and playing like nineteen eighties style defense and they're
just awesome at executing it. So the coaching and the
genius to me is in everything that VIC Fanjoe and
this entire coaching staff did all season long to develop
these players and kind of get them playing so in

(10:57):
sync and so fast. They're just they're just one of
the best defense as ever. I think that's safe to
say at this point.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
I think so too, And I think certainly in the
conversation for best defense of the you know, of the
two thousands, especially if you're looking, you know, week six
on after they came back from the bye I think
there are a few important things to unpack their one.
I mean, they did do something like you know, there
was some front mechanics that were different. They changed some
of the linebacker roles just a little bit, but you're right.
I mean they played like a ton of Cover four.

(11:25):
They knew that that upfront they were just going to dominate.
I think one thing that gets maybe a little bit
underrated and just Vic Fangio came in and fixed this
defense is the rest of the staff, and that was
you have to go back to. They go to the
twenty twenty two Super Bowl, they lose that game, and
not only do you have to replace Jonathan Gannon, you
have to replace Nick Raalis who leaves as linebackers coach.

(11:47):
Denard Wilson, who was in charge of the DB's was
essentially like the guy in waiting and when he when
he doesn't get the job, he leaves. And so I
think the Eagles internally felt like last year one of
the big problems with their team was not just the coordinator,
but was the staff. And so when Vic Fango comes
in this year, you know they replaced every position coach

(12:07):
except for Jeremi Washbur and the outside linebackers coach. You
get Clint Hurt who goes from defensive coordinator to defensive
line coach. Bobby King takes over the linebackers, Christian Parker
takes over the DB's and he's a guy who a
lot of people feel like is a future defensive coordinator,
which reminds me. By the way, I don't know if
you caught this, So this was a very funny moment
from your show the other night that I listened to Jordan,

(12:28):
I just wanted to call her out on this. She's
talking about how young Joe Casper and Christian Parker are
and her fame of references they're so young, they're the
same age as me, which is just a huge flex
on how young she is.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
And then Shook jumped in right away and was like, yes,
same age as me too, and just like, oh, I
guess it's just old drag and the Whipperspectors at this
point on the show. Yeah, I did not appreciate that whatsoever,
but a fair point that like they replaced every single
position coach and like Bill, but second, it would have
been impossible to do a better job with this with

(13:03):
this team than than Fangio did. All I meant was
just like that, like they're playing pretty old school.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
It was a I mean, this this game was a
was a talent out you know, outperforms everything like they
were just so much more talented than the Chiefs. I
think my favorite encapsulation of that was, uh, you know,
so there's the there's there, it's ten to nothing and
they get that that immaculate drive where it's sack sacked
kuber Degene pick six, and that that sack sack drive

(13:29):
was the first time that they rotated in their like,
you know, B team on the defensive line. And so
you've got, you know, you've got Joe Tooney at left tackle,
who's getting like offensive Player of the Year votes from
from his boys, Like wow, what this? You can't beat
this guy? And he's getting just run over by the
third defensive end, rookie third round pick Jylex Sant, who's

(13:49):
you know, who's an improving player. But like if you're
just holding up like who's one of the best players
on this team versus like who's like the thirteenth best
player on this defense and he's just running them over.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
That's a real thing that happened. Was not covered on
the show both Tom Brady and was it Rodney Harrison?
No is Teddy Bruce g I forget which ex Patriot
voted Joe Toney on their offensive Player of the Year ballot,
which is just stupid. I mean, he's a really good guard,
but yeah, it just come on, it was a weakness.
I mean, he is an example of their biggest issue

(14:25):
over the last stretch was they ended up just like
blowing up their offensive line in multiple spots because they
made a bad draft pick. They haven't been able to
develop that position and that was a problem. I love
all that, by the way, I love that you mentioned
Aj Brown how he was emotional in the locker room too,
because our interview on audio. I don't know if it
came across as well as it did for me on video,

(14:46):
just that like his face was taking everything in in
that moment, and it meant he really seemed like, to
your point, maybe fighting through the injury. But it reminded
me a lot of Aaron Rodgers after he won his
Super Bowl, which was the most human I ever saw
him in the locker room in the corner, kind of
taking it all in and you could just see it

(15:06):
all on his face in a way that you could
with with Aj Brown there too. Let's let's yeah, let's
talk about the game, because there were a few things
that I just wish and we're not going to go
back through it too often or ever again, who knows.
I'm sure it'll come up, but like at this level
that that I wish I had gotten into just sort
of the numbers. I think, like, we know the defense

(15:27):
played well, but when I look at Aaron Shotts and
that was easily the best defensive performance in the first
half of a Super Bowl ever, And of course it
was because they had they forced more turnovers than they
gave up first downs, like and then it finished.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Up first down on the first play of scrimmage and
then didn't get another first down the whole half.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
Here's the one that that I love. The Chiefs didn't
run a play in the in the Eagles territory for
the first nine drives of the game. That was the
only game all season that that happened in the NFL.
And to me, nine drives is actually the perfect number
because nine drives is your average Chiefs game. They play
way less possessions, and it always stuck in my head
to last year how their offense did not show up

(16:10):
in that game against forty nine Ers through nine drives,
the forty nine Ers defense had played awesome. I think
they had given up ten points and one was on
a like three were on a short field. It was like, Wow,
their defense played well enough to win the super Bowl
and then some. But but you know, because the Chiefs defense,
it's a team game, you know, held their end up
with the bargain. Eventually they had time. Not this time.

(16:30):
That's outrageous that you can really say other than garbage time.
It was the worst performance potentially by any team in
the NFL in any game this year. Patrick Mahomes at
the Super Bowl. It's just I don't know what to
do with that, but it's it's it's embarrassing. It's a
little embarrassing for the Chiefs. That's why I respect them

(16:53):
for getting all those garbage time touchdowns just to just
to feel better about themselves. Like I would have wanted
to do that too if I were them, because it
was a very had to have been embarrassing to get
bodied like that.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Yeah. I was talking to someone who was on the
Cheap sideline and they said, like after the Cooper Degene
pick six, like they they knew it was, it was
like this, this game is over and they were just
they were just ejected. Now It's interesting from a like
what was their plan coming in? Fran Duffy broke this
down on our on our phl y dot com and

(17:22):
in a good way, and I think I saw it
somewhere else that like the plan for the defensive line
coming into this game was like they are not strong enough.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
We are.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
We are gonna we are gonna bull rush them all
game long. We're gonna go through them, not around them. Now,
part of that is it also keeps Mahomes in the pocket, right,
you're not you're not giving him lanes to throw, but
they they knew like they cannot block us, and just
you talk about like the violence of this team, this
is I know this is kind of like kind of basic,

(17:51):
but it's why I thought that he was, we're gonna
win this game. Like they're just the meaner team. They
have been so violent the entire second half of the season.
And I think the ego from a roster construction standpoint
would give some of that to like some of the
things that they care about in the draft, Like you know,
we we sort of laugh at like adding all these
Georgia guys, but like they they this is what they're

(18:14):
used to, and so like every single move worked, and
even even like who the one guy who had to
go in as a backup or in Burks in this game,
who lost to the Chiefs in the Super Bowl last
year is after having to replace Dre Greenlaw when he
suffers the injury, like he was fine in this game.
Quinn and Mitchell is like running stride for stride downfield

(18:35):
with Xavier Worthy on that that one first half play
where they went play action to try to go to
that deep shot and you see Malhones kind of cock
it like that's he really wants to throw it and
he can't because Quentiny and Mitchell is right there, like
everybody on this team played at the high, like the
ceiling of their ability. And I think it's why when
we get to the conversation of like where do they rank,

(18:56):
there's like a there's a discrepancy between like the greatest team,
like the arc of their resume versus like the best
team when they got to the Super Bowl, And I
think this team at this point it would be hard
to beat them.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
I think, yeah, I think you're right. And even with
those late touchdowns, they give up two touchdowns in the
last three minutes in one late in the third quarter.
They still end up with the fourth best defensive DVOA
four game uh in the Super Bowl, and it was
interesting to see what was fifth on that list was
the Bucks versus the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
So interesting now, dvlis it does It is supposed to
contextualize the like like the the win probability of the
game itself. So I'm surprised.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
Yeah, the opponent the play to play it. It does,
but it doesn't. It doesn't count out. It's it's still
it still counts a little bit for garbage. But that
that to me is interesting. It just the Chiefs having
two of their worst games of the Mahomes era in
the Super Bowl is crazy. The last little thing I
just want to say in the Super Bowl was Herts's

(19:59):
game was even better in retrospect than I thought at
the time, because I think I was a little caught
in that first half where I'm doing the radio and
everything you just said about their pass rush and I
got the binoculars on it, and it was so fun.
The pass rush was so dominating the game. It reminded
me most of by the way that I've attended. Was
actually Week one opener rams bills of two thousand and

(20:23):
what twenty two when they were defending their title. And
that was just just in terms of watching up front,
a defensive line just completely embarrassed in offensive line that
was that was very similar to the Bills just crushed them.
But that was like a week one game setting up
like a team that was gonna be terrible that year,
the Rams, and this was the Super Bowl. Hurts though,

(20:46):
like the rushing you said, like the Chiefs knew they
were gonna lose the in the first half. I got admit, like,
even coming into the second half, I was like, all right,
let's see what the Chiefs do for the first drive.
I didn't think it was over until they do nothing
with their first drive, and then Hurts just starts making
very quick decisions to run with their first drive and
their racket up the first times You're like, okay, this
is over. And that was really part of a game

(21:08):
where he even though he held the ball at times,
he made quick decisions. He made good decisions and oh,
by the way, he goes like five for six and
plus twenty yard throws and the more you know rewatching them,
I realized like, oh, those were just awesome throws. There's
to me, no question is two best games of the
season were the last two, which is just just totally bad.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
As absolutely and dotson completion to me was an awesome
one because it was the first big blitz Spags sent
all game and he makes that check and I don't
know that like people who haven't watched the Eagles all
season realize how insane it was for him to check
to a go ball to Jahan Dotson, who like he
barely throws to. This was the first game all season long,

(21:49):
if you don't count the Week eighteen finale with the
backups in which John Dotson had two catches that went
for first downs. Like that's how one involved he's been
in the offense. And it was a beautiful throw. The
scrambles were huge, and obviously in part because of you know,
they weren't getting a ton from Saquon Barkley, which again
I think speaks to like the talent disparity in this game.

(22:10):
It felt like the Chiefs game plan was we are
not gonna let Saquon beat us on offense, and we
are not gonna let Jalen Carter beat us on defense.
Their double team in him every snap almost and okay,
the other twenty players on the field are just going
to dominate every single one of their other individual matchups,
and like you get a like almost a forty point game.
I thought, yeah, I thought I thought Hurts was was outstanding.

(22:33):
The go balls were awesome. I thought that, you know,
the shot to Davante down the middle was I talked
about this team being mean, like they really stepped on
the throat there after the fourth down stop by Avonte Maddox.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
That's like a tough catch and a tough throw, like
to have it in the right spot people are killing
like Jalen Watson for that. It's like, I mean, that's
just like these good offense beat Like that's just a
great throw, perfect like where he he always throws those
deep balls in just the right spot. I mean, he's
not a complete quarterback, but his strengths are so good
and the design runs were effective too, Like he is

(23:04):
a good vertical runner that helped them keep the chains moving.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
The strength that he has throwing deep, which to me
is like as a passer the best thing he does,
makes it more mystifying why we didn't see more of
this in the regular season, Like there was a stretch
in the second half of the regular season where the
Eagles threw the ball downfield, you know, less often than
almost every team in the league, which was kind of bizarre.
The one other thing that worked out well for the
Eagles in this game, and credit again to fran Duffy

(23:30):
for pointing this out. Usually the story with Jalen Hurts
as a passer is that the quicker he gets rid
of the ball, the better he is, and the longer
he holds onto the ball, the less effective he is.
He's like towards the bottom of the league in you know,
epa per pass when he holds onto the ball for
three seconds or more, which is a little bit unexpected
given that he is, you know, a creative player. You

(23:52):
would think that as a mobile quarterback he would be
better at that. And in this game he held onto
the ball. I believe this was the third longest time
to throw that he had all season. But when he
held onto the ball, he was way more efficient than
than he usually is, and that was that was a
big factor in the game.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, too many one on one matchups. Let's uh, let's
pivot that that they just had a huge advantage. Let's
pivot a little bit to just what's next out of
this group, and they have both These teams have a
lot of free agents, a lot of question marks coming
into the offseason. We're gonna do full off season previews
for every team, but for for the Eagles, who do

(24:28):
you think is most likely to stay? I'm gonna give
you six starters. That's a lot. Yeah, we're going through
the different teams, like if you have more than four,
like four or more starters, that's actually more than average,
Like transition over the courts of an offseason in terms
of guys you mostly would want to keep. And this
is the case here. Josh Sweat gonna be a free agent,

(24:51):
Milton Williams gonna be free agent, McKay Beckton gonna be
a free agent, Zach Bond gonna be a free agent,
Darius Slayte not gonna be free agent, but talks as
if he is, like he thinks the Eagles are gonna
cut him or something is going to happen there. And
then Dallas Goddard just because you threw this out there,
like would they ever want to move off of his contract?

(25:12):
That would surprise me personally, because I just think he
adds such an important dimension, Like why would they choose
to do that. But of that group, who kind of
stands out to you is the most likely to go
and the most likely to stay however you want to
answer it.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
So I think I think Mackai Bectam is the least
likely to stay for several reasons. One is that, like
they're they're gonna have to extend Kim Jurgens this offseason.
They're already paying Landon Dickerson and Jordan Mailatta and Lane
Johnson at the at the top of the offensive line market.
You can't pay everybody, and I think you can trust
Jeff Stotlind to, you know, fill in somebody as the

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right guard between those two guys. Tyler Steen filled in
this game and is fine. I think the Eagles wanted
to take an offensive lineman early last year. I think
they would like to do it.

Speaker 1 (25:56):
He was not fin your game. I think he came
in in the very first rep Chris Jones like pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
I don't think they I don't think they would like
to enter next season with him as plan A, but
but I think they trust that they can backfill that spot.
McKay Beckton was like a great one year bandit. I
don't think that they view him as worthy of like
top of the market salary, unless they think he's the
eventual Lane Johnson replacement, which I don't think they do.
Milton Williams, I think is also very unlikely to return.

(26:25):
I think if you asked Howie Roseman, like one of
his regrets from the past couple of years, I think
they wish that they had extended him two years ago
when when they first could have. But he's going to
get paid this offseason. I don't think they can afford him.
He's going to be I mean he's he's twenty five
years old, he's going to be twenty six in April.
He's an ascending player, and they've got Jordan Davis coming
back next year. Morowajema, who played very well in the postseason,

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is kind of a guy who can who can backfill there,
and it's supposed to be a good defensive tackle class.
I think they sort of trust that that's how they
can approach it.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
Car They usually get those deals done of like guys
who are coming up on their after that they maybe
value higher than other teams. Like Josh was a home alignment.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Yeah, homegrown linement is not something that they usually let go,
and so I think they I think they were a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
I'm sure they tried. I don't know if it was
I don't know what the negotiations were like, but I
think they regret that a little bit. I also don't
think Josh Sweat is coming back, in part because you know,
they made him take a pay cut last year, last offseason,
so I think there might be some acrimony there. Then again, Sweat,
you know, hired Drew Rosenhouse, so that probably means that

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any bad feelings are done on that front. But it
also means that Rosenhouse will make sure that Sweat gets
the most money, and I don't think that the Eagles
will be the ones who offer him the most money.
I think slayh is an interesting one. I think the
plan heading into the season was probably to post June
first release him this offseason. Saves a good chunk of money.

(27:55):
You've got Quinnon Minchell, You've got Cooper Dejen, You've got
KEITHA Ringo coming up. They could also resign Isaiah Rodgers.
But I do think that there is potential mutual interest
in like a restructure for a one year deal if
Sleigh wants to go out just on his terms with
the Eagles. I think that's possible. Goddard, I think is

(28:16):
I think they would like to restructure him. He's got
no guaranteed money, and so I think I think there
is a real possibility that they move on and they're
looking to create room. I do think that's a place
to do it. He's just been so injury prone. He
hasn't played a full season. I think he's played one
full season the last five years, and so I think
that's a place where they could look to make a
change and get younger. And then Bond is the really

(28:37):
interesting one to me because we.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Know they have not going anywhere. I don't care. They'll
franchise tag him. So he's number one on my list,
but you.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Can't franchise tag him because he gets the franchise numbers.
Is for edg Rushers, right, But it's like a twenty
plus million dollar thing.

Speaker 1 (28:51):
So well, that's fine, give Zack Bond twenty plus million
for a year.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
I don't think I think he was I think you had.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
To pick one most valuable player on their defense. I
guess Jalen Carter would be up there.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
I think it's probably I mean this bon is number two.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Hey, who is the defensive Player of the Year finalists?
It was Zach Bond and it didn't slow down in
the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
He was awesome.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I think he kind of unlocked them. I honestly think
he would be very difficult for Vic Vangio to replace,
and they will. This is just my opinion, but I
think they will look at him as somewhat irreplaceable and
just give him a ton of money.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
I think he is the one who they are most
willing to go, like above what they're comfortable for. But
they're also going to have a number. And what's really
hard to figure out with Zach Bond is what the
market's going to be like, because this is a twenty
nine year old who has done this for one year
at a position that is not usually hugely valued on
the open market. If some team comes out, if some

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team comes out and offers him twenty billion dollars, I
don't think the Eagles are going to match that, but
I think that they would love to try. I think
they're going to try to spoil him before free agency
hits see if they can get him to come back.
And you also have to wonder, you know, Zach bond.
This is his chance to cash in, but he's also
seen the other side of like what it's like, how
much does is he willing to take any kind of

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discount to be back with Vic Fancia.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
I think he will have a huge market. I think
off ball linebackers are kind of coming back in style
like running backs. It's just hard to find three down linebackers.
There's enough Fangio like teams out there that can convince
himself that he fits perfectly as Okay, we don't have
to change our lineup. He can play on the line,
he can back up, he unlocks it.

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Will he be those four on your and your top
one hundred? Will it be ahead of Sweaton and Milton Williams.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Milton Williams will be high Just a young pas, especially
who's just coming off a great year. Yeah. Probably. I mean,
I know it is only one year, but you gotta
just you gotta evalue what he did and how valuable
he was. I don't think they'll ever let him go.
I really don't. Whatever the off ball line backer market is,

(30:59):
they'll just I think they'll will agree to disagree that
he'll get some. He'll get like thirty million dollars guaranteed
on like a three year, fifty million dollar deal or
something like that where he's making sixteen or seventeen. That's yeah,
and then and they'll just I think they'll get that
done like next week, don't even wait.

Speaker 2 (31:16):
I do think he's the one that they would most
like to have back.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
It would be crazy. Don't let him go the Chiefs quickly.
It's crazy. We'll be covering this plenty as it happens.
But Kelsey at this point you have to think is
more likely to retire than not. Tray Smith is going
to be a top of a lot of free agent lists.
Although I asked around and there is a little bit
of a buzz that like, was not Tray Smith's best year.

(31:40):
This is something that basics like me and you might
might not totally know, but like, he's not coming off
a good year for Tray Smith, so that'll be interesting.
Justin Reid Nick Bolton Wharton, who I thought had an
awesome very similar to Milton Williams but just a little
lower level, but had an awesome postseason, and he's gonna

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be a free agent New Hopkins omena who Derek Noddy,
like a lot of guys who played a lot of
snaps for them. It's gonna be a transition year. They
have to fix their offensive line again. So I think
they're they're working a little uphill. Let's take a quick break.
We'll come back with Kellen Moore talk, and then yes,
we're gonna do a little Rogers. We're gonna rank some

(32:23):
super Bowls. Back on NFL Daily, both was trying to
sell me that Nick Bolton's five years younger than Nick
than Zach Bond. Nick Bolton will get paid too. He's
a great player, great young player. I gotta decide how
I'm gonna rank these guys. This is not that show
though we've We've already gone too long just talking Eagles.

(32:45):
Let's talk about them losing their offensive coordinator. We have
our head coach in New Orleans. As I was leaving
and I was, you know, the city, and I was
thinking about Sirianni on the podium, Telan Kellen, Let's run
this thing back. I was thinking, Oh my god, what
a crazy situation. If Kellen Moore got really emotional and
just decided to stay and the Eagles gave him the

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bag like it would then turn from one of the
most embarrassing head coaching searches of all time to the
most embarrassing head coaching search of all type. But Saints
fans are absolutely thrilled, and I don't blame him considering
what they've been through that they have the Super Bowl
champion offensive coordinator. What do you think after watching him
up close bo for a year of Kellen Moore as

(33:30):
a head coach.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
It's funny you say the thing about him getting emotional
because I was thinking back today and I don't remember
seeing him in the postgame locker room or at the
party late night, So maybe he was like trying to
avoid getting sucked in by sentimentality. I don't think that
that's actually the case. I just didn't see him. I
think Kellen Moore is going to be an interesting head
coach experience because I don't really know what to expect

(33:53):
from a like media standpoint. I mean, he's very vanilla.
He does not give anything away. Like his press conferences
this year were kind of notoriously bland. But you know,
I did ask Nick Sirianni late in the season, like
why he thinks Kellen Moore would be a good head coach,
And one of the first things he mentioned and maybe
this is just how Nick Sirianni thinks about the position,

(34:15):
was about how well he commands a room and how
detailed he is, and so we'll see how those those
things happened. I don't think that he was particularly like
the best, you know, play designer necessarily this year.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
You guys are unhappy with him. Philadelphia wasn't like thrilled
with Kellen Moore for parts of this.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
Again, it's also you're untangling with Jalen Hurts, and then
you see the week eighteen game plan and it's it's
all the bells and whistles that you were expecting, and
Tanner McKee looks awesome. So maybe the Kellen Moore head
coach offense will look a lot different than what looked like.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Here go ahead, wait, hold on for a second there,
How annoyed are you that it was Kenny Pickett finishing
out the Super Bowl and not your boy Tanner McKee
that was and he would have picked up a first down.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
They didn't want to hurt Jalen's feelings. If it was
McKee and he lit it up, it was gonna be
you know, you get the whole off season quarterback controversy.
They couldn't handle that.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah, I think they got they got to get rid
of Kenny Pickett. Although the most fanciful I heard on
your on your podcast over the last few weeks was, well,
maybe they're trying to just make sure they preserve Kenny
Pickett's trade value. That's why he's still the backet. What
trade value you guys think Kenny Pickett has? No one's
traded for Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 2 (35:25):
Well, I mean maybe you get six sixth Yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
A sixth the seventh swap, that's what you got for him.
Last year's trade's value hasn't got up with the Eagles.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Oh, his value last year was like a late third,
it was. It was like a fourth round or an
early fourth. Maybe it wasn't it a swap though, didn't
they it was a swap, But that's the val a round.

Speaker 1 (35:42):
Back it was. It was ridiculous. Yeah, value though, Yeah, maybe.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
He well he's cheap back and that's the value is
that he's he's on a rookie contract.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
As for killing Moore, I don't know. I mean, we'll
see what kind of staff he builds. It's always tough
to build the staff this late in the cycle. It
sounds like, there's gonna be some some short term pain
right with that, with that Saints roster. But I don't know,
I'm I'm I'm honestly, I don't know what to expect
from the Kellen Moore head coaching experience because we haven't
really learned that much about him.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
You know, He's he's an interesting case because he's he
was a guy you thought would be the future Dallas
Cowboys head coach. At one point he thought, by all
accounts that he would be a future Dallas Cowboys head coach.
And then Brian Schottenheimer gets the job, and perhaps I've
heard that, you know, seeing what happened with Slowek not

(36:37):
getting the Cowboys job made him realize, like, well, if
I can triple my salary or whatever it's gonna be,
it's gonna be a lot more money and have a
chance to do it. There there's no guarantee I ever
get my chance. I'm gonna take this, this this opportunity.
Maybe he brings in Doug Nussmeier, who is with him

(36:58):
in Philadelphia on offense, and then Brandon Staley is reportedly
the leading candidate for the defensive coordinator job. Staley hired
him in a relatively disastrous season for both of them.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
It's always funny with that when the coordinator becomes the
head coach and hires the head coach as the coordinator.
I think that's always a funny dynamic.

Speaker 1 (37:17):
Two young guys. We'll see. We'll see. By the way
Schottenheimer hired who did he hire Joe Brady?

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Right?

Speaker 1 (37:27):
No, not Joe Brady, I mean Ken Dorsey. Of course
he didn't hire Joe Brady Ken Dorsey in Dallas. I
like that staff that he's putting together. So shout out
to Brian Schottenheimer. I'm like, fifteen percent higher than consentus.
Then how it will go for him? I think he
could be fine.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
And I will note the thing that you will hear
from the Eagles now is that this will be Jalen
Hurts's fifth offensive coordinator in his six seasons in the NFL,
and if you go back to his college career, it's
nine in ten.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Very similar to the career of Derek Carr, who Kellen
Moore is inheriting. Presumably some contrasting reports out there about
how much Kellen Moore wants Derek Carr as his quarterback.
I shouldn't even say reports It's contrasting people that you
talked to at the Super Bowl that seemed to be

(38:19):
well informed, but they don't agree on this that maybe
Kellen Moore said, I'm only taking that job, or you know,
he does not want Derek Carr. It's a very confusing
situation with Mickey Loomis running that team with about as
much power as anyone in the NFL, and Kellen Moore
has to step into that. But he's been in weird
spots before. He was the coach under Jason Garrett did

(38:43):
so well that he kept the job, but he kept
it with Mike McCarthy and then Mike McCarthy kind of
slowly made it into his offense. Other people were saying
that Jerry Jones had some input on that offense, and
it's like he was extremely productive with the Cowboys. That
should not be lost. He was there for four years.
A couple of those teams were elite, Like if you

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just go by points and yards, they were the best
offense in the league, and even by the efficiency metrics
they were excellent. And he won with backups. He won
with some backups Andy Dalton at one point, and he
and he won with the Cooper Rush in Dallas, so
like he's done it. I think the Saints did about
as well as they could have. I'm looking forward to
that before we moved totally off the Eagles. What is

(39:27):
the dumbest thing you've heard this week? Just maybe analysis
of the game, if you want, I can, I can start.
It was more just dumbest thing I saw. I was
walking on Saint Charles yesterday. I had a very late
flight and I just saw in the windows in a
bar like the lower third for one of those I

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believe it was first get up and it was said,
it said, is the goat debate over? Is it over?
Like now Brady's won it for good? It's over because
of what your Eagles did did to the to the
to the Chiefs. Is it over? That's the dumbest thing
I've ever heard. That is the dumbest thing I've seen.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
It's extremely dumb. Yeah, I mean that's that's that's pretty
high up there. I'm trying to think. I think I
guess it would have been, you know, a conversation about
Sirianni's job security heading into the Super Bowl, Like if
they lost the game, could he still be fired? That
seems pretty pretty unlikely. Other than that, I guess it's
just like the chest pounding of like the Eagles had

(40:30):
no chance in this game, like this game has already
been played two years ago. They've gotten no shot, which
turned out to be quite wrong.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
There are a lot of that. It was interesting because look,
we went three for three here on our picks for
Game Deview and on NFL Daily and Game Deview with
five different people. And yet I did look, and I
think the consent it was a very slight favoring the
Chiefs in terms of the general cognizanti. Maybe it was
like fifty five forty five, sixty forty, so it wasn't

(40:58):
a nobody believed in us. But it was a situation
where the team wins so convincingly, kind of like that
Seahawks win that keeps getting referenced that everyone who who
picked the Chiefs probably feels a little stupid, like I do.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Well, I do will, I will give you a little
bit of gas here and that, like I did see
it come across my timeline, like the breakdown of who
picked two, and it was like, oh, all the ball
knowers picked the Eagles. It was you know, it was
the nameless faces who picked the chiefs Well.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I also like sticking with my picks if I believe
in the overall structure and talent. And I picked the
Eagles to win the Super Bowl in both twenty twenty
two and twenty twenty three before the season, and this season,
I had him in the NFC Championship Game before the season,
which I feel like people didn't know what to make
of this team, and I wis I wish I had
just picked them to win it off for three speight

(41:45):
years because I finally, I finally would have been right.
And that was the dumbest thing I saw, by the way,
because like I'm old enough to remember NFL dot COM's
cover story before that Seahawks Super Bowl bo was does
Peyton Manning cement himself in the goat race with a
win today? Because that was that was the thought. Like

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at that point, it's not that long ago. People gave
Manning the edge because of the because it had been
ten years before, you know, since Brady had won one.
You know, he was quote unquote stuck on three. And
Manning's individual stuff was in the Broncos that season and
their offense was so much higher that generally people thought
the greatest of all time, at least between Manning and

(42:28):
Brady was Manning and they were like almost mid thirties
at the point it fell over. That's why that's the
stupidest thing ever, because Patrick Mahomes not even not even thirty, Like,
let let this play out at this point, it's just
got to be him versus Brady, and he hasn't even
gotten to Brady's best decade. Help, Brady's best decade was
like thirty four to forty four, So you know, you

(42:50):
can't expect Mahomes to do that, but like it could,
So let's just let's just put a pin in it
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Yeah, I think from a like if you could zoom out,
it will be fun to kind of see, like what
the next iteration of the Patrick Mahomes chiefs are like
post chasing Kelcey, Like how are they going to reform
the offense? How is he going to become a different player?
I think that's a very a very fascinating story.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
And look, it's it's not good for him. It will
be remembered that he had two of his worst games
in the Super Bowl. That was another kind of takeaway
I had rewatching was like everyone's just going to put
it on everything around Mahomes. He was bad. I mean
he legit panicked.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
He I don't remember ever seeing him like that in
the pocket, like like really looking uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
He likes to play with people around him, and the
way that they did it, he did not like it anymore.
He essentially fritzed out. He held the ball a couple
times when actually there were rows. They weren't like open,
but you just would thought that he would he would
try to rip it like he he played one of
the worst games of his career and considering the contact

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easily the worst game of his career in that spot,
So he deserves a little little bit of that. Getting
blown out twice in the Super Bowl, you know that
didn't happen. And to Brady, their teams were always close.
They get both blown out in like a divisional round
game or two, though, so you know, things happen.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
Right, I mean, yeah, everybody says it. But the worst
season of his career was the AFC Championship. Gamers ultwise,
like that's that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Right, and it's like you should you should get extra
credit for playing well against the Texans and playing well
against the Bills before having the worst game, like Brady
shouldn't get somehow put higher because he got waxed by
the Ravens in that two thousand and nine game, which
at the time I thought was like the end of
the Patriots dynasty. They were booing him out of Foxborough

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in two thousand and nine, and then literally the next
year they had the best offense for about the next
seven straight years in aggregate. It was crazy. So we
kind of need to see that out of Mahomeszo. It's
been a couple of quiet years, like in terms of
his regular season performance, and that that gets us to
ranking these these teams.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
I'm excited to hear how this goes.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Okay, so this was last minute. I did not spend
nearly enough time on this, but it's one of those
exercise I feel like if you spent all the time
and if you spent almost no time, it wouldn't improve
at all. So you're gonna comment to me on what
you think of my rankings here. I decided to do
it from from the Ravens in the Superdome just as

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a as a cutoff. So that's the last twelve season.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Twelve, isn't that thirteen seasons? Am? I? Wrong.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Yeah, yeah, because I'm throwing the Ravens. Part of the
reason is they're actually my worst Super Bowl champion. And
again I'm thinking about just just line them all up
in a given week. You obviously get extra credit from
how you're playing at the end of the season and
in the Super Bowl and in the postseason, but all
these teams were playing awesome. They won the freaking Super Bowl,

(45:48):
Like there isn't one that I looked at was like, oh,
they just got lucky, like game after game after game,
and so in the end, you know, the twenty twelve Ravens,
Joe Flacco's your quarterback, I mean, and he was playing
at an outrageous level. And that was one of the
worst defenses the Ravens have ever had, and they somehow
strung together a playoff run in which they didn't even

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play that well on defense the whole time, but they
got enough stops and they almost gave up the biggest
comeback in history against the forty nine ers, but they
got enough. So they're a great team, but they're at
the bottom of my list.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
They're thirteen. Okay, yeah, I mean I guess if you are.
If you are ranking the quarterbacks themselves would flackout be
at the bottom. Is it this version of feeling hurts
like everybody.

Speaker 1 (46:32):
I would say that version of Peyton Manning would be
at the bottom. So they're part of my next two
are the twenty eighteen Patriots and the twenty fifteen Broncos. Now,
if we're just ranking defenses, I know Broncos fans will
get mad. They would be right there with the Eagles
and the Seahawks as the three best defenses over these
this stretch. But I feel like if you're that imbalanced

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and you kind of look at their run that they
went through, they were going against like the horrible one
of the worst paytriots teams that ever made it to
a conference championship with Stephen Jackson at running back and
like not even it was just like all it was
was Brady and Gronk and then they get absolutely smashed
in the Super Bowl. You get taken down a peg
if you lose by thirty five points. And that Patriots team,

(47:15):
while they showed up, had a great playoff run, like
they had some bad They got waxed a couple of
times that year. It was like on it was the
Patriots dynasty. On fumes just cranking it up one last time.
I think if you just put them on the field
against their other Patriots teams, against all these other teams,
they might they might struggle. They might struggle a little bit.

Speaker 2 (47:33):
The one bit of prep I did for this was
I just looked at all of their point differentials from
including the regular season and the playoffs together, and just
for the record, that twenty fifteen Broncos team was at
the bottom. So I think that that was reelect.

Speaker 1 (47:47):
You there, thank you, and Patriots fans. It's tough to
separate them all because that playoff run was pretty great.
They did put up like forty back to back weeks
out of nowhere against the Chargers and the Chiefs, having
to beat Mahomes in his first time, and then the
defense suddenly shows up and holds the Rams to three.
So it showed they were balanced, but overall not like
an amazing team.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
All Right, the young young Philadelphians will need to take
your notes on like how to go about differentiating between
all the difference.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Yes, yes, then they'll have to hear because all right,
these next I had a hard time separating these four teams,
but they're in my next four, all right, The twenty
three Chiefs are the next lowest team on this list.
They had a crazy good playoff run, but they had
like a three and five stretch during the season, and

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the offense really wasn't that great, even though you had
Mahomes very good defensive twenty seventeen Eagles this is where
they show up. By the time they finished that season,
they could be anyone. Obviously they did it. They were dangerous,
but you know, I Fulio Jones makes that catch and
a couple things little happen, and certainly looking over the

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regular season, this is where I put him. Then here's
the twenty two Chiefs. Of the latter two Chiefs teams
like this is the one where the offense was much
more efficient, not as explosive, but a very good offense,
and the defense stepped up late in the year.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
And then they say on THEA and then.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
The twenty sixteen Patriots sneaky great Super Bowl. This was
actually one versus two in terms of d VA. The
Falcons were number one in DVA that year. I don't
think of that Patriots team as like that unbelievable, the
one that made the comeback there, but they were pretty great.
So those are my next pack. You can give me
any thoughts on those.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
You will be surprised to know that that twenty sixteen
Patriots team had the second best point differential of all
these teams. And then I was just going to say
on the seventeen Eagles, I think this is where the
disparity between the scope of the entire season and the
way they're playing at the end matters, because over the
course of the season, you know, they blew out all
kinds of teams. When when Carson Wentz was healthy their

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fourth on this list of point differential, but the Nick
Foles iteration did not really come together until those last two.
I mean, that team, you know, La, there's like that
there's a magic to that team. But I think even
you know, Chris Long seven his podcast that if his
team lined up against the team from you know, Sunday Night,
he thinks he thinks they're not winning that game.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
So yeah, I'm trying not to also be a homer
because that Patriot that was a really good Falcons team
that ultimately they had a hard time slowing down for
much of that game, but they did when they needed
to in a great Patriots offense. That's interesting. I'm point differential.
I think they had a very easy schedule that year.
I weirdly remember they were just like beating up on

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all these bad teams. All right, I'm into my top four,
number four, and that these four I could rearrange in
any way. Number four the twenty nineteen Chiefs. Ultimately it's
the best Mahomes, it's the best Chiefs offense. I think
offense matters more. And then I look at the top

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three teams on this list and I start wondering, maybe
maybe offense doesn't matter more. So they were they were
pretty hard for for me. Do you think that's right
to put them as the best Chiefs team?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
That's one I think so. And you're reminding me of
my reaction after the twenty two Super Bowl, you know,
when the Chiefs beat the Eagles, which was that you know,
I don't know, maybe defenses don't matter because like in
that like that was a good Eagles defense and they
didn't do anything against a very good Chiefs offense. But
I guess my opinion has changed over the past couple

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of weeks.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
I know. That's the thing that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Is so much I actually think you framed as well.
It's that there's a difference between like, like the number
one defense a great defense, and then like the difference
between the number four defense and the number twenty five
defense is very minor, Like you either have a great
defense or a terrible defense, and everybody else is sort
of in between.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
That's the thing with the twenty sixteen Patriots, like they
had a good enough defense. They obviously could game play well,
but the team, like the Falcons go up and down
on them. The twenty two Chiefs that happened like that
Eagles Patriots game. In theory that Super Bowl had pretty
competent defense, and they were literally two of the worst
defenses in the history of the sport. All it was

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was yardage.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
It was like a like the three worst I believe
Shiel Capati has It's like the three worst Super Bowl
defensive performances since two thousand are like both defenses in
that game and then the Eagles defense in twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Wow. So yeah, maybe those twenty two Chiefs, maybe I'm
not giving them enough love because their defense by the
end was playing well, but then it didn't in the
Super Bowl, did much of the season, and this is
where I really struggled. So I think the three best
Super Bowl winners since the last time it was in
New Orleans are the twenty four Eagles, the thirteen Seahawks

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in the fourteen Patriots. When I wrote it down, that
actually was the order. It might be recency bias because
I had the Seahawks there for most of it, and
then you think about the twenty fourteen Patriots, and that
is what my heart wants to say. But if you
go through just position by position, I think this Eagles

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team has a case to be made of where they
are right now and the way that they finish this season.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
I think the finish of the season is crucial here.
And if you're weighing like how they're playing at the end,
boy does that matter. They won the Championship Game and
the Super Bowl by a combined fifty points, which is
the third highest in NFL history, behind the eighty four
Bears and the eighty nine nine Ers.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
It and I don't even I don't even count that
because it should be sixty six points or whatever.

Speaker 2 (53:32):
Like you can say, well, maybe the Commanders were not
quite championship game caliber, and I do like I wish
that we had gotten to see them play the Lions
just to see that matchup. But I mean, you know,
fifty points is fifty points, and the and the Super
Bowl game was insane. I do like I just from
a talent standpoint, and that is the story of this

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of this team, is that they are just so talented.
You look at the season they played, and you could
say they played like four complete games all year long,
and they still you know, they only lost three games,
and they played their best football at the end of
the season, no doubt about it. And in the Superlser
talked about it. In a game where like Sakuon Barkley,
who was the star of the season, gets mostly muted, like,

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they still put up forty points and dominate, and I'm
glad to hear you put them at that level. And
it's not just me who was so close enough.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
I think the only reason why I wanted to do
this exercise. Yeah, it's the reason I wanted to do
this exercise. I was like, there's no way there's more
than three or four that are better. And then I
went through it, and it's funny because I'm looking at
one note card I had them first. On the other,
I like had this season. This is why I would
be bad at being on one SEWS, I haven't really
made up my mind. Here's the case for the Seahawks.

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They had a good case, kind of like the Eagles
this year, where even the losses they had that season
were very close, which actually, you know, the Eagles did
have that one decisive w it was back in Week
four against the Bucks. But the Seahawks all their games
were close. They had a great postseason run. They beat
the Packers, it was a very good Packers team pretty convincingly.

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They beat a really good forty nine Ers team in
that NFC Championship. You know, that was tight, but it
was good. And then you have that Super Bowl which
finishes in a similar way to this one, and you
look at the players that are on this team and
it's mostly defense, Like that was the year that Legion
of Boom actually finished number one in defensive DVO. That

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was their best defensive season. And all these potential future
Hall of Famers showing out against a historic offense scoring
wise in the Super Bowl. The one thing you could
hold against them is over the course of the season,
you know, tenth in offense is twenty thirteen Russell Wilson.
You know, at the level of a Brady or Mahomes, Like, no,

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it's he's obviously not. Neither is Jalen Hurts. Although Jalen Hurts,
you know, is playing excellent in the postseason. So was
Russell Wilson. But you know, the quarterback, maybe the offense
is a little lower, but you know, you got Marshawn there.
If I'm thinking of going with that team, that is
an awesome team, it's tough to make a case against them.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
I think that if I'm thinking about like how that
game would actually play out, I mean, Marshall Lynch is
so awesome, but I just don't think anybody was running
on this this Eagles defense, and so I think, like
I feel pretty good about the that side of the
matchup from the Eagles on the other side, like, I mean,
I'm not saying they could put up forty on the
lesion of Boom, but I think between having multiples, because

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they have answers on Saquon and the Guy and aj
Brown Demante Smith on the outside, I feel like they
would be able to find more answers.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Than well, if anyone would have answers, it would be
that Seahawks team. In the passing game, I think they
would make Jalen Hurts. Look closer to the regular season
Jalen Hurts, And so then it would come down to
like which defenses can make big plays, in which team
could run the ball maybe a little better, like between
Saquon and Marshawn Lynch, Like who actually gets it?

Speaker 2 (57:01):
How many Hall of famers on that Seahawks team do
you know? Off hand?

Speaker 1 (57:04):
I mean Earl Thomas even't even getting which is crazy
right now. No, I think he should should be. I
feel like he was up for I think he was
eligible this year and he didn't even make the finals. Like,
let's take us back to how people actually thought about
it back then. He was the best safety in the
league easily for a number of like.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
Come on, Hall of Fame caliber players. We're talking Richard Sherman.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Very young, Bobby Wagner just started, Michael Michael Bettett won't
get the credit, and neither of Cliff April. But they're
they're like closer to Jalen Carter level than they are
to Josh Sweat. The way they were playing at that point,
that was a completely sick edge duo. And then, like
really good offensive players do, like a good offensive line,

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you have have obviously uh Baldwin, maybe not as good
at receiver, but still a very good team.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
And then the Seagles team. You've got Lane Johnson, AJ Brown,
Saquan potentially, you know, maybe Jalen Carter you think is
on that path. And then there's obviously Tenner McKain.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
And then the case for the Patriots, which I think
is a strong one at first they had them first.
That year was like a collision course all season Patriots Seahawks,
the best Patriots team that they had had since O seven,
balanced the top five to six in offense and defense.

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Very good on offense, especially Brady basically in his prime,
which that's an edge over Russell Wilson and Jalen Hurts.
And they ended up beating the Legion of Boom, the
number one defense coming off that title, trying to win
too in a row. Their offense was better that year
as well, so that year was was great. It reminded

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me of Saints Colts when they played in the Super Bowl,
where it was the clear number one offense versus the
clear number one defense, and both teams are great around them,
great head coaches, obviously a great ending and they had
to come back in that game like that you know,
there's a case. There's a case there for the Patriots.

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Yeah, I think it depends what you're measuring. Like, I
think that is a more impressive, uh, you know string
of defeats than that, the than the Eagles had in
the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Potentially they also waxed Andrew lack Colts like forty five
to seven in the AFC champions a very similar type
of championship game performance to the Eagles against the team
that was just overmatched. A similar divisional round where the Eagles,
you know, scrape through and you know, I wonder what
the Rams are thinking about today, by the way, like
they're the only team.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
That's the one. You know, you mentioned the Julio Jones
play from the twenty seventeen season. I mean, that's the
that's the one. What if from this Eagles run is
you know, Jalen Carr doesn't make those two plays at
the end of the game, do the Rams go and score?
And then maybe they do.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
That's the thing is, like all these teams, even in
the top four, if you look at like the twenty
nineteen Chiefs, they're down ten late in the third or
going into the fourth against the forty nine Ers, in
the Super The Patriots were down fourteen points twice in
the divisional round and have to start like almost breaking
the rules with the types of plays they're coming up
with against the Ravens. Did like somehow come back in
that game and like scrape through All these teams have

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close calls the Seahawks had against the forty nine Ers.

Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
Did you think about did you think about who was
the best of the Super Bowl losers?

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
No, the Eagles would certainly be up there. I think
the twenty seventeen Patriots would be up there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Yeah, I think that the twenty fourteen Seahawks you talked
about as well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
They would be up there. I think the first forty
nine Ers team that lost would have been up there.
But man, is this is stupid off season stuff. I'm
happy to be in the off season.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Football's back, as they say, funny.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
You say that, and so you know, I started the
show and just started saying that, because that's like just
a stupid bit. I had that, Like people are always
saying football is back, like through every point of the offseason,
and that would be like a fun little outro there.
Just kept going with it. But football is not back. Now.

(01:01:04):
I don't think I can keep using it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
I think you're retiring it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:08):
I think it's done right. I mean it's purpose, they
had fun.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
What's the what's the way you go? Football's forward?

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
I don't know. This is it's a problem that I
am solving in real time, making me panic, But I
do want to talk a little bit football is we
we Uh. I'm excited about this time of year specifically,
like it's a pretty mad dash to the combine. We're
less than two weeks away from the combine and it's

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like free agency, like franchise tags start next week. I'm
going to do a tag primer tomorrow, just like going
over who's getting tagged who's not with Nick Schook. Pretty
soon the top one to one free agents are going
to be out. We're going to do some off season
previews and then free agencies here in like four weeks essentially,
and so it's kind of a mad dash to get there.

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And this is this is I'm calling this Greg season.

Speaker 2 (01:02:01):
Greg Season? Is yes about Greg seasons back?

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
Greg Is Jordan set that up for me that it's
just like, all right, this is this is Greg Season.
So I am I am fired up. I'm hoping everyone
stays tuned in on these daily shows. Bo what a feeling.
It's got to be for you. You kind of won
the super Bowl. It's got to be good for the downloads,
good for the business. It's not bad to cover a champion.

Speaker 2 (01:02:25):
You know what's funny is is, uh, you know we
did We did so much work last week, right, We
did nine shows over the course of the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
You know, I was like up till up till you know,
five am on Sunday night writing And the one piece
of feedback I got from the higher ups is I
also took a video of Jalen Hurts, you know, sitting
in the hallway with the Lombardi trophy as he's smoking
his cigars, like a nine second video, and it was like, hey,
great job with that video. And it's like the most

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it's the most downloaded video in the history of all city.
It's like, yeah, you know what, this is what this
is what we do, baby, it's all for that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
Well it if nothing else, it pays. It pays for
your trip and then some and then something you should
convince the like, hey, send me every year I can
get I can get you videos like that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I got all videos in me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:16):
Yeah, even if the Eagles don't make it. I mean,
I can only imagine, you know, how much you're gonna
be crushing your co host, Zach Berman on a daily base.
I can only imagine how how obnoxious the Eagles fans
are gonna be, Like, what is this next week? What
is this next year gonna be?

Speaker 2 (01:03:32):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:03:32):
Before I say goodbye to you for these Eagles fans
in the city of Philadelphia, because you're not That wasn't
just like a plucky upstart. Now you guys are your
two time champions, two out of three years, making it.
You gotta feel great about what's coming up next year,
in the next few years. Give me just a quick
preview of what Philadelphia like. How obnoxious we can expect

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the Eagles fans coming into stadium is gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
Be, Yeah, I mean as obnoxious as it gets. That's
you know, there's pride in the obnoxiousness we got with
the parade on Friday moved because of impending rain, so
that'll be fun. And then yeah, I mean, I think
I would expect that if the Eagles come out slow
in the first half of Week one, expect the booths
to rain down.

Speaker 1 (01:04:17):
So yeah, things are going to change but they will,
they will be atop those power ring So let's hit
let's hit the music, please, rambling over here. Like I said,
I'll be back on Thursday. It's going to be with
Nick Shook. We also have a great interview with Kobe Turner.
But if we're talking a little franchise tag on that
show and you look yeah, when you're doing the franchise

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tag primer right before Valentine's Day, it's Greg season. I
can't stick with that one.

Speaker 2 (01:04:45):
There