October 14, 2025 • 51 mins
How about a pair of upsets to close out Week 6!? Gregg Rosenthal and Nick Shook handle recap duties for the Falcons' incredibly dominant win over the Buffalo Bills, as well as an ugly-but-effective victory for the Chicago Bears in Washington against the Commanders. Caleb Williams and Ben Johnson begin a new era of Bears football 3-2, with Williams earning an away win against his draft class rival, Jayden Daniels. Plus — Bijan Robinson and Drake London ran wild against a porous Bills defense, while the Falcons new-look D-line is finally paying dividends.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Kicker awaiting a snap.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Scott Daly centric back spot down kick up Jake Moody from.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
The thirty eight It is gone time expires. They have
a Bears wins.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
They're thirty in a row for.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
The first time in five seasons off of Jake Moody.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
We haven't even met Jake Moody yet.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That is Jeff Joniac on w MVP And yes, that
is Jake Moody finishing off a Bears upset victory on
a wild Monday night football double header. Twenty five for
the Bears, twenty four for the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
On a night that featured some great running back performances.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Who would have thought it was the DeAndre Swift game,
just like that Falcons game was the Bajon Robinson game.
We are going to get to both of the great
double header games on this Monday night, all games, No
news with Nick Shook. When Jaden Daniels had the ball
in the fourth quarter, Commanders driving up to what percentage
(01:11):
chance did you give for the Bears to pull this
one out after blowing a thirteen to nothing lead.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I think it was probably like below twenty percent. In fact,
Next Gen Stats had it at fifteen percent when he
scrambled for eight yards with three or fourteen left, and
then when he fumbled and gave the ball back to
the Bears, it jumped up to forty two percent. So
we're within the ballpark.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It all, it all, you know, adds up math wise,
and on a night where you know, I was ready
to talk about all the things that the Washington Commanders
overcame and yes, they lost the turnover battle three to nothing.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Jaden Daniels a bad interception early and then a great
game until late in the rain affected a couple of plays,
the ball slips out of his hands. He never even
gets it to Bill aka Jakorey Krofsky merit. The Bears
pick it up, but the game's not over at that point. No,
the Washington Commanders could make a stop, and their defense
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had played well for most of the night. But if
the Bears had lost this game, I was going to
point out all the positives, and the number one positive,
Nick Shook, is that they went into the buy and
they came out and they figured out their run game.
DeAndre Swift finishes with one hundred and eight yards on
the ground. He also, by the way, leads the team
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in receiving because he had that fifty five yard touchdown
catch of a broken tackle to end up with sixty
seven yards through the air. They did look like a
different team up front. And I know that makes Nick
Shook happy.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah it does, because that's been there Achilles Hill. Going
back to the justin Fields era, really is that we
didn't have an offensive line that was good enough to
protect our quarterback. We didn't have an offensive line that
was good enough to create running lanes for whoever we
had back there, whether it was David Montgomery or now
it's DeAndre Swift. And I've always thought that DeAndre Swift
is an underrated running back, even from his days in Detroit,
who could never just quite put it all together. Not
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saying that he has put it all together, but tonight
was probably one of his best performances of his career
when it comes to versatility and being a valuable player
on all three downs, and especially in this inclement weather
as it's raining hard in landover Maryland, He's coming through
with big runs in the fourth quarter, with that big
catch and run he breaks attackle one of the worst
tackle at times I've seen a long time, by the way,
and takes it to the house for a crucial touchdown,
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and then they iced the game. Kind of going in
reverse here, but they iced the game with runs of
four to ten fifteen yards for DeAndre Swift to move
them into field goal range to set up Jake Moody
for the game winner. That is what the Bears' identity
should be if you're going to turn around a team.
Let's go back to the Lions and what they did
with Ben Johnson. It started on the ground. It's got
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to start on the ground for the Bears to help
Caleb Williams develop. And we saw all of it come
together tonight.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah don't don't you just see the imprint of the
Ben Johnson off. Oh yeah, like easy buttons there. Caleb
Williams ended up with great numbers two hundred and fifty
two yards in a touchdown on twenty nine attempts seventeen
for twenty one on a night that I thought hen
made a lot of mistakes, but I think that shows
you what a strong team around him. I thought the
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pass protection for the most part was good. The running
game obviously supported him, and then yeah, you have enough
plays where you're throwing it to your backs in the flat,
you might hit a big one. Let's listen to that.
DeAndre Swift touchdown catch down the sideline.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Football at the forty five yard line.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Bears territory snap back sugar rush and.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I throw the left his cat by Swift sidelines and
he gets away. I have a tackle away for thirty
hankles middle fifteen ten. Goodbye Diandre Swift a touchdown catch.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
And run, fifty five big ones.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Emma Bears a two pointers away from tying it up
twenty four Washington.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, it's easy to forget that. Yeah, the Commanders came
back in this game. You know what the Bears did too.
That was a touchdown. They're down twenty four to sixteen.
After Washington, you know, has a great drive finished off
with a touchdown by zach Ertz, and they get that
quick drive. That was just the third play of the
drive to Swift and that's the drive you know that
sets up ultimately the game winning field goal drive. Now,
(05:26):
they did do some bearsy things right before that. They
they get the ball right near the goal line. They
have a illegal you know, I think it was a
pre snap penalty right on the goal line.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
They get stuffed on the goal line.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
They have a drop on a throw from Kleb Williams
that could have gone for a big play to Zakis,
and you think, oh man, it's gonna be so close,
And Bears fans probably don't want.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
To hear it, but they should just be so happy.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Like sometimes programs turn around and teams start to believe
in themselves a little bit and and the ball starts
going in the right direction with a little bit of luck.
And I think they made their own luck by running
the ball well early in this game and getting enough
stops on Washington, and they got a little bit of
luck there with the drop from Jaden Daniels, and they
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took advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, you know, That's the thing that has been probably
the most like the most standout attribute for this team
over the last few weeks has been that they are
going to battle like bad teams get that opportunity. For example,
the Cleveland Browns just throwing a team out there, but
they're not the only one get that opportunity and don't
cash that in either don't get in field goal range
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or don't make the field goal. The Bears did it,
and they did it like with a measured drive, like
with confidence like, we know high pressure situation, but we're
going to slowly move down into field goal range. We
already like where we are field position wise. We're going
to trust our kicker in a rainy night, and they
got it done. They got it done in Vegas two
weeks ago in the fourth quarter, Kayleb Williams leading a
big drive. Those two games showed me that's the first
(06:53):
clue as they start to try to turn a corner
under Ben Johnson that his impact is starting to show
with this team because because they are battling, they believe
they're playing through all sixty minutes, and even when it
looks unlikely that they're going to come away with a win,
they take advantage of those opportunities that pop up out
of nowhere and they cash them in. And that's what
makes me so excited for them, because it's not pretty
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all the time. Over four quarters. It's not pretty. Like
you said, Caleb made some mistakes. He also made some
great throws. He had that touchdown pass to Romo Dounsey
that was wiped out by offensive pass interference. I mean,
I liked. I'm just very excited about what we're starting
to see. It's baby steps, but it's turning into wins,
which is the way you get fans on board with this.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I hated that call on a doonsay. I'm glad you
pointed that out. That was a huge play in this game.
They called an offensive pass interference and that's just a
call you just don't see much. I don't know what's
with the opis this week, and the Patriots had a
couple of bad ones called on them. I get why
they saw it, but I think they were calling that
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a little too close. And that was a great throw
by Williams. He also had some plays where he was late,
like the two point conversion, has an open receiver, he
just doesn't throw it. There's a fourth down play earlier
in the game where I thought, if he let go
of the ball quicker he gets it, but he hesitates
just a little bit and ends up getting deflected turnover
(08:13):
on downs. There were enough bad things that happened in
this game that you thought, man, this is going to
be a typical Bears type of loss. One of those
things was on special teams, and you know, I think
we just kind of skipped past the fact that Jake
Moody is the quarter is the kicker for the Bears,
Jake Moody hit four kicks when they flash that up,
you know, career long for Jake Moody line on the
(08:33):
last drive, I'm like, it is raining, it is Jake Moody.
You want to get so far past that line? And
you know what they did it and he went Did
he go four for four on field goals? Yes, the
ones that he actually got over the line, you know
he made it. There was one that didn't go over
the line. We haven't heard braand Einstein in this show.
(08:54):
So let's just take a listen to the field goal
block call or kicker.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
We weren't to left.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Here's the snap holds down the lead lord and you
talking about you think we're gonna block a kick because body,
I've been taking them plenty love.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I mean, look at that though, but let's look at
us almost like what we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I have a theory, Greg. Yes, we've talked about the
juice caballs and how they're like helping kickers, you know,
reach new distances that we've never seen before, and like
the fieldbal record is gonna get broken at some point
this year, right, But we've also seen some really weird
movement on these kicks, and I think that also is
related to the caball because that one off the foot first,
he kicks it right into a wall of defenders. Yes
it was a low angled kick, Yes it was ripe
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to get blocked, But I'm not certain that that kick
is gonna end up between the uprights anyway because of
the angle that it came out, unless it does a
little bit of the dance back toward the center between
the goalposts. Who knows, maybe he's put a little bit
of a fade on it or a draw. I can't
remember which ones which, but that like he might have
missed that one. Either way, he gets blocked. Game continues
and the Bear overcome that, which is crucial to this.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, and I mean it's a big job overcoming the
loss of two lane great Cairo Santos, but they managed
to do it with the most surprising kicker possible. Jake
Moody shout out to the everyone in the chat right now.
By the way, I love the comment. I love football,
I hate fantasy football, but I love NFL Daily. My
poor son almost interrupted the YouTube tonight to walk in
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right before we were starting to tape, literally crying, which
sucks to see he saw Jayden Daniels lead his team
to a great comeback against one of his best friends.
And then Jayden Daniels is fumbled. Oh no, gives you
the negative too. You aren't really a fantasy football owner
till you have a game exactly like that. And I'm
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sure Jane Daniels is feeling heartbroken too, because he really
did play well tonight, you know, I know. Look, the
ball slips out of his hands, that's unfortunate. The interception
at the beat beginning, that's not like him. But between that,
you know, I thought he played really well. The first
touchdown throw was absolutely fantastic. Let's listen to that one
(11:12):
while we're here.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Second to ten at the twenty two snapped the Dangels.
Here comes another blitz from Chicago. He's got time load
enough once it all for Chris Moore.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Here you get both bickut touchdown, touchdown walk again in
fredible text like Chris Moore.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
That's it, right, tim the parents off the doll man
and man across the book and this is just what
you want. Pass back Chris ball on the slop. Faith
take this propsy of the bucket for a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Oh great catch and that's London Fletcher on the call
with our friend Bram And it's really noticeable that, like
they're getting these huge plays from Jalen Lane, a rookie
who had a really nice double move on a touchdown,
from Zach Ertz, who I thought was done a couple
of years ago and is still playing well. From Chris Moore,
who I don't think ninety nine percent of the audience
(12:02):
is familiar with. And this was like a quiet Deebo
Samuel Knight note Terry McLaurin. So it's such a surprising
group around him, and I thought whenever he needed to
make a play tonight, he did, especially with his legs
when the Bears did get pressure, which which was not
enough for the Bears tonight.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, I think it's essential that you bring that up
when discussing this game, because for the first time since
maybe like Week one, Jayden looked like himself, Like he
looked like the quarterback who didn't have any issue. He
was agile again, he was dynamic, you know, he was mobile.
He was picking up yards on the ground with his
legs and keyspots like you mentioned, you know, ten carries
for fifty two yards. He goes nineteen to twenty six
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or two eleven and three touchdowns like that is Jaden Daniels,
who we know from last year, and until this point
we hadn't really seen twenty twenty four offensive Rookie of
the Year Jaden Daniels. We'd seen like a smaller, reduced
version of him. So that should be a really promising
takeaway from this game for the Commanders. Yes, the loss
will sting, but your quarterback looks like who he's supposed
to be and that can get you so so much further,
(13:01):
especially without these the receivers that usually depend on either
out there or contributing in a big way. That's all
really important for you as you go forward. So the loss,
the one loss, is gonna hurt, but you're gonna flush
that move on and be very happy that it looks
like your quarterbacks back to who he is and you
can continue to build around it.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, the most surprising thing to me in this game
was Bears designed success rate fifty six percent, which is
sky high, and Commander's thirty four point eight percent. So
you got to give the Bears defense credit. And I
was really surprised the way Washington's run game has been going.
I thought Cliff Kingsbury was gonna dice up this Bears
defense and they came out looking a little better after
the BUYE got a comment here that Zach Ertz is
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the unk of the night, and hell, let's let's watch
that touchdown catch too, because that was the moment where
I just figured this game was over. Great throw, great
catch by Ertz in.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
The back field with Jamie He's gonna throw for looking
Survey FROs back.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Up?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Did Zack Ertz touchdown? Tuckdown? Wash again?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
This is stupid, baby, I can trust.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Nobody.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
I could have to check it the day a perfect pass.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Bears fans are probably wondering, why do we have so
many commanders highlights at a night they lost. Well, it
was back and forth and we just love hearing Weinstein
in London?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Can we can we nominate that booth for like most
electric pairing in the NFL? Like we should? That should
be an award we give out most electric booth in
the NFL because they have so much energy. It's always
good when they're doing well.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah they are, and look it is a lot of
commanders talk for now, but I think it's more about
what this game is, what it means these two teams
are trying to make it to the playoffs. I think
the Commanders, for the most part, this season has shown
me it's more sustainable from last year than I expected
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because a lot's gone against them.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
You've had injuries, Jade.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Daniels, I thought the offensive line was gonna be a mess.
I think the d is better overall, and I know
they're three and three, but you look at where the
Eagles are at and I feel like they're in a
good spot. Then you look at the Bears and you think, Okay,
your season ended on a total heartbreak at this point
in the season, roughly last year against this Commander's team.
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Bears fans are sick of hearing that the Commanders got
the right quarterback. Now they're sick of hearing that the
Patriots might have gotten a better quarterback.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
And to get a win like.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
This, to pull it out at the last second, to
me is massive for them, and it's a tough division.
But I really do now look at them as a
team that, okay, like keep showing me. But I kind
of expect they're going to be playing meaningful games all
season long. Maybe they'll make the playoffs, maybe they won't.
It's a deep NFC, but like they're going to be
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playing for it late in the year and win wins
like this are just absolutely huge. I hate to be
like the NFL guy, but like, it's just great to
see these two quarterbacks kind of going at it like
this and like, give me this game in primetime every year.
This is now like a little mini rivalry in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah. Well, first off, they get their revenge for their
heartbreaking loss last year by giving it back to the
Commanders in the same place that they lost on a
hail Mary Tyreek. Stevenson is vindicated or whatever. But I
actually think it's a really good case study in the
psyche of a fan base and how it can change
for the better or the worse year by year, because
last year the last year of Battye Reflu's tenure ultimately,
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But there's a lot of optimism going into the season.
They have Caleb Williams, they finally have their quarterback, They've
made additions in the offseason, and it flopped and the
optimism was probably too much going into the season, and
most of us knew that right then. That same kind
of optimism, but it's more cautious bubbles up going into
this year because Ben Johnson's there. The results are not
going to happen overnight. But if you can get vaults
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that are tangible, that you've seen in the Raiders game,
that you've seen tonight, if you can get that over
the course of the season before you get to week eight,
you are ahead of schedule. Like you should be very
excited about where the rest of the season could take you.
There are going to be bumps in the road, but
I personally, I am now excited to watch Bears games.
Last year it was it was misery. It is not
that anymore. So feel good Bears fans, not only about
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this win, but about where your team's headed.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
The one little fly in the ointment is just a
little bit of the eye test with Caleb, and I
think the things that helped him out tonight can sustain
That was a much improved offensive line performance overall, pass
protection and run blocking.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
That's a really good sign.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
The defense looks like it's rounding into okay, and they're
getting healthier on the back end, like Kyler Gordon is
out there and everything like that.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
That's really important for them. That's stabilizing.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It didn't shock me when I checked late in the
game and the PFF as the in game you know
live grades and that Caleb was under fifty for this
game and Jade's around eighty. You know, Caleb at a
very low mark, and I think that's because of some misthrow,
some potential turnovers that were there.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
And that's fine. I'm all about like being able.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
To try to improve as you're winning, because I think
you heard it from Troy Aikman, like he's been all
over Caleb in these games. And I kind of get
where Troy is coming from, but I think it's going
to be easier for Caleb to like keep improving without
the weight of the world and everyone getting me on
them for losing games like this.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, and it helps when you get a good day
like you did from DeAndre Swift. And it helps when
you have not only Romo Dunze and DJ Moore, but
also Luther Burden out there making plays like he has
weapons and all starts though with the offensive line, and
that is why you should feel better. I don't know
if it's going to carry over week by week. It's
been only one game in which we've seen these improvements,
and I don't know if I view the Commander's defense
as highly as you do, just because they're old, but
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they do have a pretty strong defensive front. So if
you take all of that into account at this point
in the season, you should still feel good like they
have built this offense into what should be a competitive
bunch and as long as Caleb can continue to progress
slowly and not make crushing mistakes, which he made mistakes tonight,
but they weren't disastrous. He missed some throws, he made
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a poor decision to keep the ball when he should
have thrown away, and took a tough hit for Frankie Louvu.
That's fine. These are lessons that you're gonna learn at
this point of the season. If you can keep it
all together gradually improve, you're gonna be in a much
better place.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Nice game by Louvu. But to your point about not
really having as much faith in the Commander's defense, they've
kind of been every other week. They only had four
quick pressures tonight, which is not a big number. They
blitzed over thirty percent of the time, didn't get much
and the four quick pressures are from Frankie Luvu, you know,
blitzing linebacker Bobby Wagner a blitzing linebacker and Darnald Savage
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a blitzing free safety. So their down four was really
not getting it done. They got pushed around up front. Ultimately,
that is great news for the Bears long term. Okay,
that game was really interesting. It was fascinating, and yet
I do not think it was the most fascinating or
best game of the night. I know ESPN had their
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quote unquote b team on Bill's Falcons, but this one
I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.
I loved it. Let's go down to Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Buffalo adds another man to the front. They're gonna hand
to Robinson right side through the first wall, around the corner.
Here goes Pajon Robinson keeps his feet thirty twenty five,
twenty ten five touchdown Atlanta. Oh my goodness, the math
on this one is easy. Eighty one to the house.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Oh that is Wes Durham calling an eighty one yard touchdown.
By recent NFL Daily guests, Pajon Robinson. Okay, he did
a lot of podcasts last week.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Front of the show, but he's getting he's getting a bump.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I don't Thinkajon Robinson needed like a breakout game or
a hey, like, I'm like one of the best players
in the Like, he shouldn't have needed that, But I
mean two hundred and thirty eight yards from scrimmage at
home on Monday Night football, their first home Monday Night
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football game actually in the Bajonna Robinson era to beat
Josh Allen in the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, like, I think
that qualifies. He also had six catches for sixty eight
yards in that mix of two hundred and thirty eight yards,
And I thought the way that they used him took
was awesome. Tonight he got to show off all of
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his skills.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah he did. I mean, I think that he needed
one of these breakout games in primetime stage in order
to bring the attention of the larger NFL fan base,
both domestically and internationally to the Atlanta Falcons, because he
plays in Atlanta, the Falcons who blew a tire last
year and missed the playoffs. Right, But like you know,
it would surprise a lot of people to learn that
he had a ton of scrimmageyards last year too. It
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should not surprise you. We're all talking about Baker Mayfield
being in the MVP conversation put Bejon in there too.
I know running backs don't win it all.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Wait, I banned MVP conversation. We're not allowed to use
the words.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Oh, okay, offensive player of the Year Bjeon Robinson. There's
your loophole because he's having a hell of a start.
Like consider this real quick, Okay, two guys in NFL
history after tonight have had four hundred and fifty plus
rushing yards and three hundred plus receiving yards in their
first five games of a season, Thurman Thomas and Bjeon Robinson. Like,
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he's off to an incredible start, and he was the
reason they won this game tonight with the numbers that
you just described, with the highlight that we just played.
He is one of the best, if not the best
running back in the NFL. He's looked like it since
he was at the combine. He just moves differently. He's dynamic,
he can do everything, and when they focus on getting
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him the football, they are a much better team. And
tonight it came down to three guys Michael Pennix plus
b Jhon Robinson, Drake London and a little bit of
Kyle Pitts, and that was enough to win the game.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I'll throw in one other guy, have a Jeff Obrick
defensive quarterrier go or Raheem Morris. I mean, their defensive
plan against Josh Allen was amazing, and we will get
to that, but I think let's just to close the
circle on Bijon on this twenty four to fourteen victory.
By the way, I mean, they held the Bills to
fourteen points and most of the damage was in the
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first half. But you think about that first drive, for instance,
and it just looked so easy, and he's lined up
all over the field, and the attention that he is
drawing as a receiver as a runner is opening up
holes for Drake London. And then you know sometimes they're
even telegraphing when they're gonna run, when they're gonna pass
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out of the pistol, and yet it really doesn't matter.
And I was wondering, like watching this game, man, like,
I know he plays outside sometimes, and I know he
plays in the slots sometimes, but this seemed a little extra,
And so I checked. He had fifteen snaps in the
slot tonight, six out wide. That adds up to twenty
one snaps essentially at wide receiver. That almost matches the
(24:02):
snaps that he took at running back. That is a
high for this season by a good amount. I didn't
go back to check. I'm guessing it is.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
The high for his career.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And it's one of those offseason stories that's kind of cliche. Oh,
they're going to use him as a receiver. Oh, they're
gonna have two running backs on the field and stuff.
It's like, yeah, but your running back as a receiver
is actually helping the defense out because he's not as
good as normal receivers except for one guy usually, and
that's Christian McCaffrey. And now I think we can make
it two guys, Christian McCaffrey and Vijon Robinson, who all
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respect the CMC is not at the same level. But
Jhon Robinson was the number one Fantasy draftic and he's
been delivering week after week. Just an awesome performance by
the coaching staff An Robinson.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, And the only thing that I think was missing today,
at least from a writing perspective, was I was really
hoping they would lean on him to close the game,
and then he's absent. I think he was gassed. They
went to Tyler Algier, which makes sense. He's a hard
running physical back that you want to get out there
to turn up those yards late in the game, get
the first downs, closed the game out because it would
have been the perfect Saquon arc, which is he starts fast,
he closes games. Because that's what the story of Saquon
(25:09):
was last year. But that's fine, because he's still fantastic.
It's and I'm glad you mentioned the defense too, because wow,
what a difference a year can make for a team.
A Falcons defense that was largely toothless last year has
completely transformed, had the perfect plan for Josh Allen, made
him look human, made him look uncomfortable for a variety
(25:29):
of reasons that we'll get into. But that was the
other key to this game, limiting the Bills output, forcing
more three and outs than they've had in a long time,
and just shutting down this offense and allowing their offense
to control the game when they had the football.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Okay, it's a good idea to make it time for
who's delivered by uber eat, It's got to be the
Falcons defense. I mean, that's to me, who delivered all night?
And I could pick a few different plays, but why
don't we start at the back and work our way forward.
Let's go to the final bill's offensive play of the
(26:06):
entire game.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Let's see how many come here. Here's Alan up in
the pocket, Atlanta trying to shadow him. They'll move to
his left. He's gonna throw a gun into septic and
that ball is down on the play, and that's the
Angelo Malone after Zack Harrison deflected it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Zach Harrison on the deflection there, and look they're down
ten there. They're just in hurry up mode trying to
make it happen. But I think it was typical of
a day where just Alan always had someone in his face.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, and look, you can call me a hater as
much as you want. I'll take that. But there's nothing
other than good offensive line play that warms my heart
more than watching a defense send guys at mobile quarterbacks
from all angles to where when they try to break
the pocket, Oh no, I can't go there. I'm gonna
go the other way. Oh no, there's a defender there.
Oh my god, what am I gonna do? And it
just results in chaos. I love that because there needs
(27:01):
to be a counter to the modern quarterback, the dynamic
mobile quarterback, and when a defense can pull that off.
It's an example of great collaboration and also fantastic coaching
and game planning. And I think that's exactly what the
Falcons did tonight by caging Josh Allen, by sending pressure
on him. I think it was two plays prior. They
got a free rusher at him and Alli gets the
ball out for completion. But I think that's still stuck
(27:22):
in his head in that sequence where it's just like,
oh my god, I'm not gonna have time to throw
all night. I'm supposed to have a good offensive line.
They can't stop this rush right now. I don't know
what to do. He looked frazzled for most of the night.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, We've got a great comment in the chat from
your co host Katie Caldwell, who said some of the
Bills play calling was outrageous. In Eliza Moore end around
on third and one. This is the time for you
to give the plug for your other podcast.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Katie Knows Ball. Check us out on the grid Iron podcast,
Iron and Brackets. We cover NFL and Formula one. Katie's
one of my co hosts, Sean Berry, who works for
Fox thirteen down in Tampa, as the other come check
us out because Katie knows ball.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
See she absolutely does, and she's right that like plays
like that drive you crazy. What I would say is
is a play out of desperation because their normal stuff
just wasn't working, and that you know that didn't work either.
You can second guess so much, but two plays really
stand out to me as the ones that were indicative
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of what happened tonight. They go for a fourth down
late in the game, in the fourth quarter, when it
still very much feels like, Oh, the Bills are going
to come back in this, aren't they The Falcons are
gonna falcon And on fourth down, they send the heat
flush out Josh Allen to his left and he tries
to flip the ball forward instead of just making a
(28:43):
normal pass, which he it seemed like he had enough
time in room to do so, but he just tried
to like make a great play by flipping it forward.
And that reminded me so much. Shook of a third
down play in the first half where they had been
blitzing like crazy and they wound up blitzing fifty six
percent of the time tonight, and it reminded me so
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much of a play in the first half a drive
killer on a third down where yes, the pressure was coming,
but usually Josh Allen extends that play and he just
kind of threw the ball at the feet the foot
of a receiver it was, I forget which receiver it was.
They lost Josh Palmer early in this game, and so
they were going deeper onto the bench and I was
(29:25):
just like, wow, Josh Allen just looks a little shook.
I'm going to give a ton of credit to the defense,
but it's also like the defense was making Josh Allen
not play very well, and those were two plays where
he did not stay calm and composed like he has
been for most of the last two seasons.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
And outside of their first drive in which they went
down the field and scored a touchdown to mag Atlanta,
I think that that was pretty evident early on, so
much that it motivated Sean McDermott to make one of
those gutless punt decisions in the first half, like in
the second quarter where it's like fourth and three, they're
near midfield and they're down a touchdown good, and I'm like, dude,
gutless punt. Like Greg's gonna hate this, because why are
(30:04):
you punting here? It's fourth and three. I sincerely believe
they didn't think that they could get the fourth the
fourth down conversion because of how much they were struggling offensively.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Because of results like that, well, the numbers would indicate
you were right. And man, you think of this game,
and I just kept thinking, Wow, the Falcons that that
first half performance was incredible on defense. They can't they
need their offense to keep scoring, which they really did
in the second half. They need to keep going or else, like,
they can't count on winning this game. And the defense
(30:33):
just kept getting stop after stop after stop. They finished
the Bills with six punts, one turnover on downs, which
we just talked about, and then the interception. Even before
the late interception, he ended up with two interceptions, right, So,
like that is an incredible performance by a defense that
wasn't really winning a lot like one on one up front.
(30:56):
If you look at their pressure numbers, it's really spread
out out. Yeah, Like I don't even know who to
single out from their pass pressures. Who I would single
out is their linebackers, Divine Diablo and Caden Ellis. To me,
they were kind of the key for this game, not
just in terms of the pressure but just the entire defense,
like I said, fifty eight percent blitz forty four percent
(31:19):
pressure rate. And you compare the numbers to the Bills,
who were twenty percent blitz rate and a lot of
those were late and only twenty five percent pressure rate.
So they're not as aggressive and they're not getting home
or to the quarterback nearly as much.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
How about that.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
The Atlanta Falcons have a difference making defense in the
year twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I know, it's a beautiful thing you talk about spread.
There was four guys with three pressures, four guys with
two pressures, three guys with one pressure. And even the
four sacks they racked up, each one was by a
different player. David an Yamata, Rucu, Roo d Alford, and
Sam Roberts, like three defensive linemen and a dB like
they brought it from all these different angles, and I
think that that really complicated the picture for Josh Allen
(31:58):
on a night in which he was never comfort And
if you look at the Falcons defense statistically, they were
like first in the NFL in a number of different categories.
They were tied for six for sack percentage. So this
is not an aberration. This is not a one off
on a primetime stage. This is who they've been all
year and that's what makes it really exciting to track
them because you can kind of flush that whole thirty
to zhering loss to the Panthers as just chalk it
(32:19):
up to we had a bad day. We're going to
burn the tape. Otherwise, they've been competitive in pretty much
every game and frankly, if the Buccaneers don't hit that
field goal, or if Young Heyku doesn't miss that field
goal at the end of that Week one game, they
might have another win in their in their tally. Like
they're they're a fun team to watch.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yet they had not given up three hundred yards in
a game until tonight, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Believe no, they finished in two ninety one.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, the Bills were just under that for tonight, so
they you know, yardage Dvoa their number one. They're already
have more sacks right now than they've ever had for
as a Falcons franchise through this point in the season.
And I've been kind of dis pointed by their first
two draft picks, Jalen Walker and James Pierce, which is,
(33:04):
you know, Jalen Walker had a big play on special
teams tonight. They've each you know, popped up with a
hurry here or there, but they're not playing that much
their first two picks. Yeah, and they gave up a
first round pick, you know, for Pierce to the Rams,
the twenty twenty six pick and the one thing to
the credit you know of this front office and shout
(33:24):
out to you know, Patrick Claybon who put Terry Fontina
in the top ten GMS and never heard the end
of it for me and from our listeners in the offseason. Well,
Patrick Claibon's laughing at you right now because all the
moves that he's made. It's it's getting them to a
pretty fun place. Anyways, my larger point was these two rookies,
if nothing else, what they've done and the way they've
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built the defense and the rookies are helping here. They
have so much depth, so many different types of players,
so many players that they can play that it really
does support this crazy pressure package and all the different
things that Ulbrick and Raheem Morris want to cook up. Like,
they have enough dudes with different skill sets to do
that that are versatile, so they are supporting them in
(34:09):
that way, and they're playing really good team defense.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah, it's not a Star Layden defense. Their most notable
players exist in their secondary, which, by the way, shout
out to aj Terrell, who basically erased Keon Coleman tonight
because he wouldn't stop fallowing him around the field. That
hurt the Bills offense as well. And I think that
when you are a su of parts defense and the
sum ends up being greater than your parts because of
the versatility that it offers you. That will travel and
(34:31):
that will give you a shot against some of the
perceived top tier teams in the NFL, which I don't
know if Buffalo is. If you look at their resume
right now, I'm gonna say team that speaten so far
didn't win this last week. Most of them are some
of the worst teams in the NFL. And the last
two teams that they've played, the Patriots and the Falcons,
have brought the fight to them and they've backed down
(34:52):
in both of those games. Another thing that a common
thread between those two games. And I know I'm harping
on two losses and the sound like a hater, and
that's fine. Josh Allen officially has a problem with throwing
picks over the middle of the field, because the picky
through tonight looked a lot like the pick Marcus Jones
got on him against New England and Buffalo in primetime
as well. So I don't know if it's take him
off of primetime or if it's figure out your offense.
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It's the ladder, it's not the former.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Okay, Well, they did beat the Ravens in Week one,
and I know the Ravens haven't you know, looked so
great since. But that was an incredible quarter out of
the Bill's offense. But I think the Cracks were showing
for their defense, yeah already, and the defense was driving
all the Bills fans crazy. You know, in the first
(35:34):
half of this game, they just looked like a SIV.
They gave up one hundred and fifty four yards on
miss tackles, and you know a lot of that was
on the John Robinson run because Cole Bishop had a
chance to get him down with about forty yards to go,
but there was about another one hundred and ten yards
of misstackle yardage there as well. So look, they have
(35:56):
really struggled defensively. Josh Allen doesn't look this and you're
right when you look at the teams that they beat
other than the Ravens, it was the Jets, it was
the Dolphins, it was the Saints, and we kind of
gave like the Dolphins and Saints pats on the back. Oh,
you competed with the Bills. You covered, I mean the
you know, good teams win, great teams cover. I mean,
(36:17):
when was last time Bill's covered in a game? I
guess they just that Jets game, because you know, everyone
keeps either beating them or becoming closer. By the way,
we should point out, because we're done talking about the
Falcons defense.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
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Speaker 1 (36:44):
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Speaker 2 (36:51):
There you go I for no reason other than I
want to see it. And we really appreciate everyone who
is making these Monday nights really fun in the comments
and watching and obviously everyone listening to us on the podcast,
but when you watch it on YouTube, you get to
look at the highlights. We have the rights the highlights,
and it's a beautiful thing. And I know it's crazy,
(37:12):
Shuk and I thought this game was gonna go much
differently when I suggested that Josh Allen's incompletion against a
blitz in the first quarter, I'm actually gonna throw it
up there for a Throw of the Year nominee, because
they get a blitzer clean on him falling backwards and
he drops an absolute dime in the bucket to Khalil Shakir,
(37:38):
who's not even that open over d Alfred Robert Alford,
who has had a good night tonight. And you know,
the review shows Khalil shakers out of bounds. But my god,
that was an incredible throw. So even on a bad night,
Josh Allen can do things that just make you say wow, shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, I mean, he's still a superhero. He just looked
rather mortal over the last two weeks against defenses that
have the right plan for end. I don't know if
the blueprints necessarily out I think it's more about the
Bills kind of looking in the mirror, circling the wagons
like the Buffalo Bills do, and figuring out what they
need to do, which, by the way, stop going away
from James Coke in the fourth quarter. I know it
wasn't working in the third quarter, but my god, you're
(38:14):
in a one score game. Keep giving one of your
best players the football. It will work eventually, for God's sake.
It's been a point of frustration for me for the
last two games for the Bills. I hope it doesn't continue.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, I think that is an awesome point shook because
look you saw with that play like what they needed
to do to complete passes against the Blitz. It was
a humbling night, I think for Allen as the guy
who's now I think thought of and known as one
of the sharpest quarterbacks in the league. I watched every
game of Tom Brady's career, by the way, you know,
once or twice a year, no matter how old he got,
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like a defense confused him, a defense got him like
that's football, Like they would dominate and surprise tom Brady
like it does happen. But on a night where that
seemed obvious. Their success rate running the ball on design
runs was sixty percent. Cook was doing great all night.
Josh Allen was scrambling pretty well. But Cook goes seventeen
for eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
So I think that with one carry in the fourth quarter,
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
You know last week, I can defend it the way
the gameplay was going and the way they were stuff
and Cook for the most part, like I could defend it,
I can't defend it here. So I mentioned the injuries
in this game. There were quite a few. Joshua Palmer
leaves early with a knee injury and that led to
a lot of time for Tyrrel Shavers. That was the
man who was targeted on that fourth down. I was
trying to think of her third down in the first half.
(39:33):
So a lot of Shavers, a lot of khalilshak here.
But that's an injury to watch. And then Treel Bernard,
their linebacker, was out for most of the second half
of this game and I do not think ever returned
to the field. And then for the Falcons, they lost
their left tackle, Jake Matthews. So let's wrap up actually
giving a little bit of love to the Falcons.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
You know, the the.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Michael Pennox experience is consistently inconsistent, and he ends up
had a very similar night I think to Caleb William
where you look at the numbers, two hundred and fifty yards,
got the touchdown, got the win. They did well enough.
He did well enough to win. There were a couple
of near interceptions late there. There are a couple curious decisions.
(40:16):
There were some dimes too. If you watch him, this
is kind of who he's settling in to be this season.
Evaluate for me the experience with keeping in mind that
the points scored in the first half are worth just
as much as the lack of points I guess in
the second half.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, well, I mean he had a touchdown pass e
Race by Drake London's foot going out of bounds in
the one yard line as time expired the first half,
so we could have added that to his ledger. But yeah,
there were times where he would overthrow guys. If you're
watching on YouTube, you're seeing that completion of Drake London
where he's out running Taylor rep to the goal line,
and it looked like he got in it first on
first look, and then the replay shows his right foot
steps out at almost exactly the one as he's reaching
(40:54):
for the pylon, which took away like big excitement in
that moment because it was like the Bill deserve that
because they had a turnover which gave the Falcons just
enough time to try that, and it was an aggressive
attempt by Drake London. It was like, oh, this is
like karma football, karma paying off right now for the Bills.
But overall, the Drake London experience is exactly how you describe,
which is that it is consistently inconsistent. But it's not negative,
(41:17):
it's not discouraging. It's just you gotta find more consistency.
I hete to say that because it sounds overly reductive,
but what he has a live arm. He overthrows guys
sometimes he did tonight. He also leans on he has
a favorite in Drake London, and he's always looking at
him and essentially his from what I've seen so far,
it's is Drake London open no is Kyle Pitt's open
(41:38):
no check out to Bijan Like that's kind of the
process that he's going through right now, and I understand
that's that's his top three guys, right. He will get
better over the course of a season. I think that
his processing is better than some young quarterbacks that we've seen.
It's still better than justin fields, and that is all
a positive. It's just that he's not going to be
a star overnight. If you think of Josh Allen's career
(41:59):
took him multiple years and changing his throwing, you know, form,
his technique and everything else before he became who he was.
Just give it time, he'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
He had another decision where he kind of locked in
to Casey Washington on the third down when he's well
covered by Tron Johnson, and he didn't face much pressure
on that play. He didn't face a ton of pressure
overall on the night, but it was like he just
made that decision when there were more open receivers with
better matchups elsewhere on the field. I thought there were
(42:28):
a couple of moments like that. He also on the
last Falcons drive when they ended up kicking the field
goal to go up ten, the only thing that they
could possibly do to lose the game then was turned
the ball over and he threw it right over the
middle to awaiting Shack Thompson, who played well tonight.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
I thought, you know, now the year.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, like a ageless Shack Thompson, and Shack Thompson, you know,
just couldn't pull in the interception after anticipating the play,
and we would be talking about Penix' night, you know,
quite a bit different if that happened. But I also
don't want to forget the dimes. So let's let's actually
go back to the first half and let's see the
touchdown throw that did stand up to Drake London.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
There's London moving out on the wide side. They take
the snap, here's Pennix, Michael Luk rips it, London stretches
the ball across.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
That's a touchdown for Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
By goodness, what a play.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
What a touch and.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Then the presence of mine to reach it chucker right
over the white line for the scoreble with.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So this play is like a he's a quarterbat laid
on that throw, but he's got such a strong arm
that he can still fit it in there. He put
it in the right spot and it was great play
design where he had a receiver kind of take away
the defender inside. They're basically playing like I think it
was covered two on the goal line and just making
a picket fence and he just it's kind of a
spacing concept where he just sits down right there, you
put on the inside with the defender and outside leverage, Boom, touchdown.
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And you could do that because you have the arm talent,
which is why we obsessed with arm talent on quarterbacks
who come out of the draft because it matters in
tight windows in the NFL, and there's a ton of
them in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, and he showed it off tonight and like that
was one of those plays where when he reaches that out,
like you can just imagine it getting getting knocked out
and that would be such a Falcons play. And you
mentioned that the end of half sequence when they did
not get that touchdown. Even though it was a little
bit of found money, it was such a unique play
where you're thinking at first, like get out of bounds,
(44:19):
Drake London, so you can so you can kick, you know,
for the three points, and then you realize, oh, it's
all or nothing. He's either gonna score a touchdown or
you're getting zero points. And it was so surprising because
you mentioned the turnover that was the clunker of a
Josh Allen interception just trying to do too much and
then he comes up short and the you know, the
Bills go into halftime down twenty one to seven, and
(44:41):
they get a quick touchdown coming out of the break
and you're like, oh man, that's seven points they didn't get.
That's that's gonna haunt them all night. But the defense
just didn't let it happen. Pretty awesome, an awesome performance
by another team. Look, this NFL is really heavy in
terms of the upper middle. There's a lot of teams,
(45:02):
and I still consider the Bills one of those teams.
They're four and two. The Falcons are three and two,
where it's just like, all right, you're in position like
you got a pretty good chance to make the playoffs.
I have no idea how to separate about ten to
twelve of those teams. This Bill team still has Josh Allen.
They've shown that they can figure things out as the
season goes along. I've seen some bad Sean McDermott defenses
(45:24):
where everyone thinks he's going to get fired by the
end of the year, and somehow he turns it around
even after. You know, Tyler Dunn writes a big feature
about how he used nine to eleven as a motivational pactic.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Blake Oh, I was wondering if you're going to bring
that up. They're missing, They're missing personnel. They don't have
Matt Malonell. They had three healthy defensive tackles tonight at
Oliver just came back from the party. They got to
get guys back. But I don't want to discount that
because that does matter.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
But yeah, they always have lalls, They always have lulls.
And in the Falcons defense, they were playing Mike Jarrell
at left tackle and Elijah Wilkinson at right tack go
by in the second half of this game, and they
really need Jake Matthews to come back. I mean, that
is as troubling a tackle combination and pass protection as.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
You'll ever see.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
And that's I think part of the reason why the
offense slowed down so much in the second half. Like
had I believe near one hundred and fifty one yards
at halftime yards from scrimmage, so most of them were
in the first half. Dake London had one hundred and
forty seven yards at halftime like fantasy games were one
in the first half, and then he only added you know,
(46:32):
eleven more yards. But he does end up with ten
for one fifty eight and a touchdown. Last thing on
the falcons before we go. I love that we had
John Robinson and just to kind of close the circle
on him on a night where he announced himself yes
as an award potential candidate. My whole thing with the
(46:53):
MVP conversation took. It's just like, you know, what is
this conversation? Just why are we talking about a conversation?
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Just have it?
Speaker 7 (47:00):
Just say it, you know, I mean, it's a flaw
a week, it's week it's week six. Yeah, here's the clue.
None of this is going to really matter in the
MVP talk. Like stats that they're cumulative and they will
still count, but ultimately it's basically what you do from
week eleven and twelve onwards that matters. And yeah, we're
gonna winnow out a lot of players, but there's gonna
(47:20):
be a lot of players in the mix going into
week ten or eleven, and then that's when you really
figure and.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Is your team good? Like that's the other criteria. Your
team has to be good. There's no envy, there's no
Jerry West losing the NBA Finals and winning NBA Finals MVP.
That doesn't happen in the NFL. Your team has to
be good too, so that helps us kind of sorted
out as well. It's fun fodder for now you gotta
fill some time somewhere.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Something about the phrase, oh why didn't he should be
in the MVP conversation? It's well, I think week six
is the same, Like I would have him top five
for MVP, like put say something specific, is what I'm saying,
because he's in there. You can only vote for three guys,
you can you know, five guys. Someone's asking if he's
in the Offensive Player of the Month conversation.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, you know what he is.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
He's in the NFL Daily Guest of the Week conversation,
maybe of all time conversation. I thought it was really
interesting the question that Jordan rod Rieg asked about the
way that he gets extra vision lining up in the pistol.
Let's actually listen to him talking last week on the show.
Speaker 6 (48:25):
For me, it's just you know, using using my vision
and just anticipating what's coming before it even happened, for
the play even starts, and for me, like you know,
it's very important to use my eyes at a very
high level. And some manipulate linebackers, safetyes, uh d, lineman,
just just every every one of them, because when I
do that, and when I'm controlling the pace of the game,
(48:48):
then then everything else is taking care of yourself.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
So that's a good brand deal. By the way, Codate total,
he is the total back.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
There you go, vision, power, speed.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
I love the question from Jordan and she loves she
loves the pistol offense. And I think tonight was a
great sign that even if on this particular Falcons team,
like the pass and the run aren't always married up,
there are a lot of big time advantages And Baijon
talked about it there and his vision to me is
second to none.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Right now in the league statement win season changing win?
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Are the Bills going to be one of those teams
that just like every time they lose, everyone's like, oh,
the Patriots have arrived. Oh now the Falcons have arrived.
There are like there are tennis players to use an
example that probably most of our listeners don't care about that,
like it's like, oh, that's the biggest win of his career.
That it's people that just are always handing out those wins. Stefan,
(49:48):
you know, Stefano sits a pass back in the day.
A top five guys Alex verv.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
Oh, it's the biggest win of their career. He beats
number four.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
It's like, well, it's not the biggest win of your
season if the Bills are just kind of an average team.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, and that's why we play the game. Parody is
maybe at an all time high right now, at least
it feels like it.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
It is like in the mid upper middle.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
And yet we still have like eight teams I feel
like we can cross off, including the Tennessee Titans. Brian
Callahan was fired on Monday. It's no longer even Monday
where Shook is taping because these games were so good
and we love, you know, serving this doubleheader as much
attention as it can get. We're going to talk about
the Callahan firing all the other news that has come
(50:28):
down on our Tuesday show in the studio with Jordan
rod Rieg. So so stay tuned for that one. And yeah,
this was an absolute pleasure, Nick Shook.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah, doubleheaders they're good and they're bad, but when the
games are good, they're more good than bad.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
That has beautifully said from an NFL dot com writer
who still has some writing to do. Sorry with that tonight,
I want to point out to everyone that's the last
simultaneous doubleheader in NFL history. Roger Goodello doesn't like it.
They're off the schedule indefinitely starting next year. They're not
part of the TV package.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Like, that's it.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
We have one more double headers, so if you love
the double headers, we got one more for you next week.
We'll be live then, but they're separated, no more simultaneous.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
We'll see you that
Kicker awaiting a snap.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Scott Daly centric back spot down kick up Jake Moody from.
Speaker 3 (00:07):
The thirty eight It is gone time expires. They have
a Bears wins.
Speaker 4 (00:14):
They're thirty in a row for.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
The first time in five seasons off of Jake Moody.
Speaker 4 (00:19):
We haven't even met Jake Moody yet.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
That is Jeff Joniac on w MVP And yes, that
is Jake Moody finishing off a Bears upset victory on
a wild Monday night football double header. Twenty five for
the Bears, twenty four for the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
On a night that featured some great running back performances.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
Who would have thought it was the DeAndre Swift game,
just like that Falcons game was the Bajon Robinson game.
We are going to get to both of the great
double header games on this Monday night, all games, No
news with Nick Shook. When Jaden Daniels had the ball
in the fourth quarter, Commanders driving up to what percentage
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chance did you give for the Bears to pull this
one out after blowing a thirteen to nothing lead.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
I think it was probably like below twenty percent. In fact,
Next Gen Stats had it at fifteen percent when he
scrambled for eight yards with three or fourteen left, and
then when he fumbled and gave the ball back to
the Bears, it jumped up to forty two percent. So
we're within the ballpark.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
It all, it all, you know, adds up math wise,
and on a night where you know, I was ready
to talk about all the things that the Washington Commanders
overcame and yes, they lost the turnover battle three to nothing.
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Tonight.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Jaden Daniels a bad interception early and then a great
game until late in the rain affected a couple of plays,
the ball slips out of his hands. He never even
gets it to Bill aka Jakorey Krofsky merit. The Bears
pick it up, but the game's not over at that point. No,
the Washington Commanders could make a stop, and their defense
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had played well for most of the night. But if
the Bears had lost this game, I was going to
point out all the positives, and the number one positive,
Nick Shook, is that they went into the buy and
they came out and they figured out their run game.
DeAndre Swift finishes with one hundred and eight yards on
the ground. He also, by the way, leads the team
(02:34):
in receiving because he had that fifty five yard touchdown
catch of a broken tackle to end up with sixty
seven yards through the air. They did look like a
different team up front. And I know that makes Nick
Shook happy.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah it does, because that's been there Achilles Hill. Going
back to the justin Fields era, really is that we
didn't have an offensive line that was good enough to
protect our quarterback. We didn't have an offensive line that
was good enough to create running lanes for whoever we
had back there, whether it was David Montgomery or now
it's DeAndre Swift. And I've always thought that DeAndre Swift
is an underrated running back, even from his days in Detroit,
who could never just quite put it all together. Not
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saying that he has put it all together, but tonight
was probably one of his best performances of his career
when it comes to versatility and being a valuable player
on all three downs, and especially in this inclement weather
as it's raining hard in landover Maryland, He's coming through
with big runs in the fourth quarter, with that big
catch and run he breaks attackle one of the worst
tackle at times I've seen a long time, by the way,
and takes it to the house for a crucial touchdown,
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and then they iced the game. Kind of going in
reverse here, but they iced the game with runs of
four to ten fifteen yards for DeAndre Swift to move
them into field goal range to set up Jake Moody
for the game winner. That is what the Bears' identity
should be if you're going to turn around a team.
Let's go back to the Lions and what they did
with Ben Johnson. It started on the ground. It's got
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to start on the ground for the Bears to help
Caleb Williams develop. And we saw all of it come
together tonight.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Yeah don't don't you just see the imprint of the
Ben Johnson off. Oh yeah, like easy buttons there. Caleb
Williams ended up with great numbers two hundred and fifty
two yards in a touchdown on twenty nine attempts seventeen
for twenty one on a night that I thought hen
made a lot of mistakes, but I think that shows
you what a strong team around him. I thought the
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pass protection for the most part was good. The running
game obviously supported him, and then yeah, you have enough
plays where you're throwing it to your backs in the flat,
you might hit a big one. Let's listen to that.
DeAndre Swift touchdown catch down the sideline.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Football at the forty five yard line.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Bears territory snap back sugar rush and.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
I throw the left his cat by Swift sidelines and
he gets away. I have a tackle away for thirty
hankles middle fifteen ten. Goodbye Diandre Swift a touchdown catch.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
And run, fifty five big ones.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Emma Bears a two pointers away from tying it up
twenty four Washington.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Yeah, it's easy to forget that. Yeah, the Commanders came
back in this game. You know what the Bears did too.
That was a touchdown. They're down twenty four to sixteen.
After Washington, you know, has a great drive finished off
with a touchdown by zach Ertz, and they get that
quick drive. That was just the third play of the
drive to Swift and that's the drive you know that
sets up ultimately the game winning field goal drive. Now,
(05:26):
they did do some bearsy things right before that. They
they get the ball right near the goal line. They
have a illegal you know, I think it was a
pre snap penalty right on the goal line.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
They get stuffed on the goal line.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
They have a drop on a throw from Kleb Williams
that could have gone for a big play to Zakis,
and you think, oh man, it's gonna be so close,
And Bears fans probably don't want.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
To hear it, but they should just be so happy.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Like sometimes programs turn around and teams start to believe
in themselves a little bit and and the ball starts
going in the right direction with a little bit of luck.
And I think they made their own luck by running
the ball well early in this game and getting enough
stops on Washington, and they got a little bit of
luck there with the drop from Jaden Daniels, and they
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took advantage of it.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
Yeah, you know, That's the thing that has been probably
the most like the most standout attribute for this team
over the last few weeks has been that they are
going to battle like bad teams get that opportunity. For example,
the Cleveland Browns just throwing a team out there, but
they're not the only one get that opportunity and don't
cash that in either don't get in field goal range
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or don't make the field goal. The Bears did it,
and they did it like with a measured drive, like
with confidence like, we know high pressure situation, but we're
going to slowly move down into field goal range. We
already like where we are field position wise. We're going
to trust our kicker in a rainy night, and they
got it done. They got it done in Vegas two
weeks ago in the fourth quarter, Kayleb Williams leading a
big drive. Those two games showed me that's the first
(06:53):
clue as they start to try to turn a corner
under Ben Johnson that his impact is starting to show
with this team because because they are battling, they believe
they're playing through all sixty minutes, and even when it
looks unlikely that they're going to come away with a win,
they take advantage of those opportunities that pop up out
of nowhere and they cash them in. And that's what
makes me so excited for them, because it's not pretty
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all the time. Over four quarters. It's not pretty. Like
you said, Caleb made some mistakes. He also made some
great throws. He had that touchdown pass to Romo Dounsey
that was wiped out by offensive pass interference. I mean,
I liked. I'm just very excited about what we're starting
to see. It's baby steps, but it's turning into wins,
which is the way you get fans on board with this.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
I hated that call on a doonsay. I'm glad you
pointed that out. That was a huge play in this game.
They called an offensive pass interference and that's just a
call you just don't see much. I don't know what's
with the opis this week, and the Patriots had a
couple of bad ones called on them. I get why
they saw it, but I think they were calling that
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a little too close. And that was a great throw
by Williams. He also had some plays where he was late,
like the two point conversion, has an open receiver, he
just doesn't throw it. There's a fourth down play earlier
in the game where I thought, if he let go
of the ball quicker he gets it, but he hesitates
just a little bit and ends up getting deflected turnover
(08:13):
on downs. There were enough bad things that happened in
this game that you thought, man, this is going to
be a typical Bears type of loss. One of those
things was on special teams, and you know, I think
we just kind of skipped past the fact that Jake
Moody is the quarter is the kicker for the Bears,
Jake Moody hit four kicks when they flash that up,
you know, career long for Jake Moody line on the
(08:33):
last drive, I'm like, it is raining, it is Jake Moody.
You want to get so far past that line? And
you know what they did it and he went Did
he go four for four on field goals? Yes, the
ones that he actually got over the line, you know
he made it. There was one that didn't go over
the line. We haven't heard braand Einstein in this show.
(08:54):
So let's just take a listen to the field goal
block call or kicker.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
We weren't to left.
Speaker 5 (09:00):
Here's the snap holds down the lead lord and you
talking about you think we're gonna block a kick because body,
I've been taking them plenty love.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I mean, look at that though, but let's look at
us almost like what we're talking about.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
I have a theory, Greg. Yes, we've talked about the
juice caballs and how they're like helping kickers, you know,
reach new distances that we've never seen before, and like
the fieldbal record is gonna get broken at some point
this year, right, But we've also seen some really weird
movement on these kicks, and I think that also is
related to the caball because that one off the foot first,
he kicks it right into a wall of defenders. Yes
it was a low angled kick, Yes it was ripe
(09:41):
to get blocked, But I'm not certain that that kick
is gonna end up between the uprights anyway because of
the angle that it came out, unless it does a
little bit of the dance back toward the center between
the goalposts. Who knows, maybe he's put a little bit
of a fade on it or a draw. I can't
remember which ones which, but that like he might have
missed that one. Either way, he gets blocked. Game continues
and the Bear overcome that, which is crucial to this.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Yeah, and I mean it's a big job overcoming the
loss of two lane great Cairo Santos, but they managed
to do it with the most surprising kicker possible. Jake
Moody shout out to the everyone in the chat right now.
By the way, I love the comment. I love football,
I hate fantasy football, but I love NFL Daily. My
poor son almost interrupted the YouTube tonight to walk in
(10:26):
right before we were starting to tape, literally crying, which
sucks to see he saw Jayden Daniels lead his team
to a great comeback against one of his best friends.
And then Jayden Daniels is fumbled. Oh no, gives you
the negative too. You aren't really a fantasy football owner
till you have a game exactly like that. And I'm
(10:48):
sure Jane Daniels is feeling heartbroken too, because he really
did play well tonight, you know, I know. Look, the
ball slips out of his hands, that's unfortunate. The interception
at the beat beginning, that's not like him. But between that,
you know, I thought he played really well. The first
touchdown throw was absolutely fantastic. Let's listen to that one
(11:12):
while we're here.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Second to ten at the twenty two snapped the Dangels.
Here comes another blitz from Chicago. He's got time load
enough once it all for Chris Moore.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Here you get both bickut touchdown, touchdown walk again in
fredible text like Chris Moore.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
That's it, right, tim the parents off the doll man
and man across the book and this is just what
you want. Pass back Chris ball on the slop. Faith
take this propsy of the bucket for a touchdown.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
Oh great catch and that's London Fletcher on the call
with our friend Bram And it's really noticeable that, like
they're getting these huge plays from Jalen Lane, a rookie
who had a really nice double move on a touchdown,
from Zach Ertz, who I thought was done a couple
of years ago and is still playing well. From Chris Moore,
who I don't think ninety nine percent of the audience
(12:02):
is familiar with. And this was like a quiet Deebo
Samuel Knight note Terry McLaurin. So it's such a surprising
group around him, and I thought whenever he needed to
make a play tonight, he did, especially with his legs
when the Bears did get pressure, which which was not
enough for the Bears tonight.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Yeah, I think it's essential that you bring that up
when discussing this game, because for the first time since
maybe like Week one, Jayden looked like himself, Like he
looked like the quarterback who didn't have any issue. He
was agile again, he was dynamic, you know, he was mobile.
He was picking up yards on the ground with his
legs and keyspots like you mentioned, you know, ten carries
for fifty two yards. He goes nineteen to twenty six
(12:38):
or two eleven and three touchdowns like that is Jaden Daniels,
who we know from last year, and until this point
we hadn't really seen twenty twenty four offensive Rookie of
the Year Jaden Daniels. We'd seen like a smaller, reduced
version of him. So that should be a really promising
takeaway from this game for the Commanders. Yes, the loss
will sting, but your quarterback looks like who he's supposed
to be and that can get you so so much further,
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especially without these the receivers that usually depend on either
out there or contributing in a big way. That's all
really important for you as you go forward. So the loss,
the one loss, is gonna hurt, but you're gonna flush
that move on and be very happy that it looks
like your quarterbacks back to who he is and you
can continue to build around it.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Yeah, the most surprising thing to me in this game
was Bears designed success rate fifty six percent, which is
sky high, and Commander's thirty four point eight percent. So
you got to give the Bears defense credit. And I
was really surprised the way Washington's run game has been going.
I thought Cliff Kingsbury was gonna dice up this Bears
defense and they came out looking a little better after
the BUYE got a comment here that Zach Ertz is
(13:36):
the unk of the night, and hell, let's let's watch
that touchdown catch too, because that was the moment where
I just figured this game was over. Great throw, great
catch by Ertz in.
Speaker 5 (13:47):
The back field with Jamie He's gonna throw for looking
Survey FROs back.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Up?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
Did Zack Ertz touchdown? Tuckdown? Wash again?
Speaker 5 (13:58):
This is stupid, baby, I can trust.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Nobody.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
I could have to check it the day a perfect pass.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Bears fans are probably wondering, why do we have so
many commanders highlights at a night they lost. Well, it
was back and forth and we just love hearing Weinstein
in London?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Can we can we nominate that booth for like most
electric pairing in the NFL? Like we should? That should
be an award we give out most electric booth in
the NFL because they have so much energy. It's always
good when they're doing well.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah they are, and look it is a lot of
commanders talk for now, but I think it's more about
what this game is, what it means these two teams
are trying to make it to the playoffs. I think
the Commanders, for the most part, this season has shown
me it's more sustainable from last year than I expected
(14:54):
because a lot's gone against them.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
You've had injuries, Jade.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Daniels, I thought the offensive line was gonna be a mess.
I think the d is better overall, and I know
they're three and three, but you look at where the
Eagles are at and I feel like they're in a
good spot. Then you look at the Bears and you think, Okay,
your season ended on a total heartbreak at this point
in the season, roughly last year against this Commander's team.
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Bears fans are sick of hearing that the Commanders got
the right quarterback. Now they're sick of hearing that the
Patriots might have gotten a better quarterback.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
And to get a win like.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
This, to pull it out at the last second, to
me is massive for them, and it's a tough division.
But I really do now look at them as a
team that, okay, like keep showing me. But I kind
of expect they're going to be playing meaningful games all
season long. Maybe they'll make the playoffs, maybe they won't.
It's a deep NFC, but like they're going to be
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playing for it late in the year and win wins
like this are just absolutely huge. I hate to be
like the NFL guy, but like, it's just great to
see these two quarterbacks kind of going at it like
this and like, give me this game in primetime every year.
This is now like a little mini rivalry in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah. Well, first off, they get their revenge for their
heartbreaking loss last year by giving it back to the
Commanders in the same place that they lost on a
hail Mary Tyreek. Stevenson is vindicated or whatever. But I
actually think it's a really good case study in the
psyche of a fan base and how it can change
for the better or the worse year by year, because
last year the last year of Battye Reflu's tenure ultimately,
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But there's a lot of optimism going into the season.
They have Caleb Williams, they finally have their quarterback, They've
made additions in the offseason, and it flopped and the
optimism was probably too much going into the season, and
most of us knew that right then. That same kind
of optimism, but it's more cautious bubbles up going into
this year because Ben Johnson's there. The results are not
going to happen overnight. But if you can get vaults
(16:46):
that are tangible, that you've seen in the Raiders game,
that you've seen tonight, if you can get that over
the course of the season before you get to week eight,
you are ahead of schedule. Like you should be very
excited about where the rest of the season could take you.
There are going to be bumps in the road, but
I personally, I am now excited to watch Bears games.
Last year it was it was misery. It is not
that anymore. So feel good Bears fans, not only about
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this win, but about where your team's headed.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
The one little fly in the ointment is just a
little bit of the eye test with Caleb, and I
think the things that helped him out tonight can sustain
That was a much improved offensive line performance overall, pass
protection and run blocking.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
That's a really good sign.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
The defense looks like it's rounding into okay, and they're
getting healthier on the back end, like Kyler Gordon is
out there and everything like that.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
That's really important for them. That's stabilizing.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
It didn't shock me when I checked late in the
game and the PFF as the in game you know
live grades and that Caleb was under fifty for this
game and Jade's around eighty. You know, Caleb at a
very low mark, and I think that's because of some misthrow,
some potential turnovers that were there.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
And that's fine. I'm all about like being able.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
To try to improve as you're winning, because I think
you heard it from Troy Aikman, like he's been all
over Caleb in these games. And I kind of get
where Troy is coming from, but I think it's going
to be easier for Caleb to like keep improving without
the weight of the world and everyone getting me on
them for losing games like this.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Yeah, and it helps when you get a good day
like you did from DeAndre Swift. And it helps when
you have not only Romo Dunze and DJ Moore, but
also Luther Burden out there making plays like he has
weapons and all starts though with the offensive line, and
that is why you should feel better. I don't know
if it's going to carry over week by week. It's
been only one game in which we've seen these improvements,
and I don't know if I view the Commander's defense
as highly as you do, just because they're old, but
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they do have a pretty strong defensive front. So if
you take all of that into account at this point
in the season, you should still feel good like they
have built this offense into what should be a competitive
bunch and as long as Caleb can continue to progress
slowly and not make crushing mistakes, which he made mistakes tonight,
but they weren't disastrous. He missed some throws, he made
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a poor decision to keep the ball when he should
have thrown away, and took a tough hit for Frankie Louvu.
That's fine. These are lessons that you're gonna learn at
this point of the season. If you can keep it
all together gradually improve, you're gonna be in a much
better place.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Nice game by Louvu. But to your point about not
really having as much faith in the Commander's defense, they've
kind of been every other week. They only had four
quick pressures tonight, which is not a big number. They
blitzed over thirty percent of the time, didn't get much
and the four quick pressures are from Frankie Luvu, you know,
blitzing linebacker Bobby Wagner a blitzing linebacker and Darnald Savage
(19:33):
a blitzing free safety. So their down four was really
not getting it done. They got pushed around up front. Ultimately,
that is great news for the Bears long term. Okay,
that game was really interesting. It was fascinating, and yet
I do not think it was the most fascinating or
best game of the night. I know ESPN had their
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quote unquote b team on Bill's Falcons, but this one
I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.
I loved it. Let's go down to Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
Buffalo adds another man to the front. They're gonna hand
to Robinson right side through the first wall, around the corner.
Here goes Pajon Robinson keeps his feet thirty twenty five,
twenty ten five touchdown Atlanta. Oh my goodness, the math
on this one is easy. Eighty one to the house.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Oh that is Wes Durham calling an eighty one yard touchdown.
By recent NFL Daily guests, Pajon Robinson. Okay, he did
a lot of podcasts last week.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Front of the show, but he's getting he's getting a bump.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
I don't Thinkajon Robinson needed like a breakout game or
a hey, like, I'm like one of the best players
in the Like, he shouldn't have needed that, But I
mean two hundred and thirty eight yards from scrimmage at
home on Monday Night football, their first home Monday Night
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football game actually in the Bajonna Robinson era to beat
Josh Allen in the Buffalo Bills. Yeah, like, I think
that qualifies. He also had six catches for sixty eight
yards in that mix of two hundred and thirty eight yards,
And I thought the way that they used him took
was awesome. Tonight he got to show off all of
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his skills.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Yeah he did. I mean, I think that he needed
one of these breakout games in primetime stage in order
to bring the attention of the larger NFL fan base,
both domestically and internationally to the Atlanta Falcons, because he
plays in Atlanta, the Falcons who blew a tire last
year and missed the playoffs. Right, But like you know,
it would surprise a lot of people to learn that
he had a ton of scrimmageyards last year too. It
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should not surprise you. We're all talking about Baker Mayfield
being in the MVP conversation put Bejon in there too.
I know running backs don't win it all.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Wait, I banned MVP conversation. We're not allowed to use
the words.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Oh, okay, offensive player of the Year Bjeon Robinson. There's
your loophole because he's having a hell of a start.
Like consider this real quick, Okay, two guys in NFL
history after tonight have had four hundred and fifty plus
rushing yards and three hundred plus receiving yards in their
first five games of a season, Thurman Thomas and Bjeon Robinson. Like,
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he's off to an incredible start, and he was the
reason they won this game tonight with the numbers that
you just described, with the highlight that we just played.
He is one of the best, if not the best
running back in the NFL. He's looked like it since
he was at the combine. He just moves differently. He's dynamic,
he can do everything, and when they focus on getting
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him the football, they are a much better team. And
tonight it came down to three guys Michael Pennix plus
b Jhon Robinson, Drake London and a little bit of
Kyle Pitts, and that was enough to win the game.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I'll throw in one other guy, have a Jeff Obrick
defensive quarterrier go or Raheem Morris. I mean, their defensive
plan against Josh Allen was amazing, and we will get
to that, but I think let's just to close the
circle on Bijon on this twenty four to fourteen victory.
By the way, I mean, they held the Bills to
fourteen points and most of the damage was in the
(23:19):
first half. But you think about that first drive, for instance,
and it just looked so easy, and he's lined up
all over the field, and the attention that he is
drawing as a receiver as a runner is opening up
holes for Drake London. And then you know sometimes they're
even telegraphing when they're gonna run, when they're gonna pass
(23:40):
out of the pistol, and yet it really doesn't matter.
And I was wondering, like watching this game, man, like,
I know he plays outside sometimes, and I know he
plays in the slots sometimes, but this seemed a little extra,
And so I checked. He had fifteen snaps in the
slot tonight, six out wide. That adds up to twenty
one snaps essentially at wide receiver. That almost matches the
(24:02):
snaps that he took at running back. That is a
high for this season by a good amount. I didn't
go back to check. I'm guessing it is.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
The high for his career.
Speaker 2 (24:13):
And it's one of those offseason stories that's kind of cliche. Oh,
they're going to use him as a receiver. Oh, they're
gonna have two running backs on the field and stuff.
It's like, yeah, but your running back as a receiver
is actually helping the defense out because he's not as
good as normal receivers except for one guy usually, and
that's Christian McCaffrey. And now I think we can make
it two guys, Christian McCaffrey and Vijon Robinson, who all
(24:36):
respect the CMC is not at the same level. But
Jhon Robinson was the number one Fantasy draftic and he's
been delivering week after week. Just an awesome performance by
the coaching staff An Robinson.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Yeah, And the only thing that I think was missing today,
at least from a writing perspective, was I was really
hoping they would lean on him to close the game,
and then he's absent. I think he was gassed. They
went to Tyler Algier, which makes sense. He's a hard
running physical back that you want to get out there
to turn up those yards late in the game, get
the first downs, closed the game out because it would
have been the perfect Saquon arc, which is he starts fast,
he closes games. Because that's what the story of Saquon
(25:09):
was last year. But that's fine, because he's still fantastic.
It's and I'm glad you mentioned the defense too, because wow,
what a difference a year can make for a team.
A Falcons defense that was largely toothless last year has
completely transformed, had the perfect plan for Josh Allen, made
him look human, made him look uncomfortable for a variety
(25:29):
of reasons that we'll get into. But that was the
other key to this game, limiting the Bills output, forcing
more three and outs than they've had in a long time,
and just shutting down this offense and allowing their offense
to control the game when they had the football.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
Okay, it's a good idea to make it time for
who's delivered by uber eat, It's got to be the
Falcons defense. I mean, that's to me, who delivered all night?
And I could pick a few different plays, but why
don't we start at the back and work our way forward.
Let's go to the final bill's offensive play of the
(26:06):
entire game.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Let's see how many come here. Here's Alan up in
the pocket, Atlanta trying to shadow him. They'll move to
his left. He's gonna throw a gun into septic and
that ball is down on the play, and that's the
Angelo Malone after Zack Harrison deflected it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Zach Harrison on the deflection there, and look they're down
ten there. They're just in hurry up mode trying to
make it happen. But I think it was typical of
a day where just Alan always had someone in his face.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Yeah, and look, you can call me a hater as
much as you want. I'll take that. But there's nothing
other than good offensive line play that warms my heart
more than watching a defense send guys at mobile quarterbacks
from all angles to where when they try to break
the pocket, Oh no, I can't go there. I'm gonna
go the other way. Oh no, there's a defender there.
Oh my god, what am I gonna do? And it
just results in chaos. I love that because there needs
(27:01):
to be a counter to the modern quarterback, the dynamic
mobile quarterback, and when a defense can pull that off.
It's an example of great collaboration and also fantastic coaching
and game planning. And I think that's exactly what the
Falcons did tonight by caging Josh Allen, by sending pressure
on him. I think it was two plays prior. They
got a free rusher at him and Alli gets the
ball out for completion. But I think that's still stuck
(27:22):
in his head in that sequence where it's just like,
oh my god, I'm not gonna have time to throw
all night. I'm supposed to have a good offensive line.
They can't stop this rush right now. I don't know
what to do. He looked frazzled for most of the night.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Yeah, We've got a great comment in the chat from
your co host Katie Caldwell, who said some of the
Bills play calling was outrageous. In Eliza Moore end around
on third and one. This is the time for you
to give the plug for your other podcast.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Katie Knows Ball. Check us out on the grid Iron podcast,
Iron and Brackets. We cover NFL and Formula one. Katie's
one of my co hosts, Sean Berry, who works for
Fox thirteen down in Tampa, as the other come check
us out because Katie knows ball.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
See she absolutely does, and she's right that like plays
like that drive you crazy. What I would say is
is a play out of desperation because their normal stuff
just wasn't working, and that you know that didn't work either.
You can second guess so much, but two plays really
stand out to me as the ones that were indicative
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of what happened tonight. They go for a fourth down
late in the game, in the fourth quarter, when it
still very much feels like, Oh, the Bills are going
to come back in this, aren't they The Falcons are
gonna falcon And on fourth down, they send the heat
flush out Josh Allen to his left and he tries
to flip the ball forward instead of just making a
(28:43):
normal pass, which he it seemed like he had enough
time in room to do so, but he just tried
to like make a great play by flipping it forward.
And that reminded me so much. Shook of a third
down play in the first half where they had been
blitzing like crazy and they wound up blitzing fifty six
percent of the time tonight, and it reminded me so
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much of a play in the first half a drive
killer on a third down where yes, the pressure was coming,
but usually Josh Allen extends that play and he just
kind of threw the ball at the feet the foot
of a receiver it was, I forget which receiver it was.
They lost Josh Palmer early in this game, and so
they were going deeper onto the bench and I was
(29:25):
just like, wow, Josh Allen just looks a little shook.
I'm going to give a ton of credit to the defense,
but it's also like the defense was making Josh Allen
not play very well, and those were two plays where
he did not stay calm and composed like he has
been for most of the last two seasons.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
And outside of their first drive in which they went
down the field and scored a touchdown to mag Atlanta,
I think that that was pretty evident early on, so
much that it motivated Sean McDermott to make one of
those gutless punt decisions in the first half, like in
the second quarter where it's like fourth and three, they're
near midfield and they're down a touchdown good, and I'm like, dude,
gutless punt. Like Greg's gonna hate this, because why are
(30:04):
you punting here? It's fourth and three. I sincerely believe
they didn't think that they could get the fourth the
fourth down conversion because of how much they were struggling offensively.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Because of results like that, well, the numbers would indicate
you were right. And man, you think of this game,
and I just kept thinking, Wow, the Falcons that that
first half performance was incredible on defense. They can't they
need their offense to keep scoring, which they really did
in the second half. They need to keep going or else, like,
they can't count on winning this game. And the defense
(30:33):
just kept getting stop after stop after stop. They finished
the Bills with six punts, one turnover on downs, which
we just talked about, and then the interception. Even before
the late interception, he ended up with two interceptions, right, So,
like that is an incredible performance by a defense that
wasn't really winning a lot like one on one up front.
(30:56):
If you look at their pressure numbers, it's really spread
out out. Yeah, Like I don't even know who to
single out from their pass pressures. Who I would single
out is their linebackers, Divine Diablo and Caden Ellis. To me,
they were kind of the key for this game, not
just in terms of the pressure but just the entire defense,
like I said, fifty eight percent blitz forty four percent
(31:19):
pressure rate. And you compare the numbers to the Bills,
who were twenty percent blitz rate and a lot of
those were late and only twenty five percent pressure rate.
So they're not as aggressive and they're not getting home
or to the quarterback nearly as much.
Speaker 4 (31:30):
How about that.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
The Atlanta Falcons have a difference making defense in the
year twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
I know, it's a beautiful thing you talk about spread.
There was four guys with three pressures, four guys with
two pressures, three guys with one pressure. And even the
four sacks they racked up, each one was by a
different player. David an Yamata, Rucu, Roo d Alford, and
Sam Roberts, like three defensive linemen and a dB like
they brought it from all these different angles, and I
think that that really complicated the picture for Josh Allen
(31:58):
on a night in which he was never comfort And
if you look at the Falcons defense statistically, they were
like first in the NFL in a number of different categories.
They were tied for six for sack percentage. So this
is not an aberration. This is not a one off
on a primetime stage. This is who they've been all
year and that's what makes it really exciting to track
them because you can kind of flush that whole thirty
to zhering loss to the Panthers as just chalk it
(32:19):
up to we had a bad day. We're going to
burn the tape. Otherwise, they've been competitive in pretty much
every game and frankly, if the Buccaneers don't hit that
field goal, or if Young Heyku doesn't miss that field
goal at the end of that Week one game, they
might have another win in their in their tally. Like
they're they're a fun team to watch.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yet they had not given up three hundred yards in
a game until tonight, and I don't.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Believe no, they finished in two ninety one.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, the Bills were just under that for tonight, so
they you know, yardage Dvoa their number one. They're already
have more sacks right now than they've ever had for
as a Falcons franchise through this point in the season.
And I've been kind of dis pointed by their first
two draft picks, Jalen Walker and James Pierce, which is,
(33:04):
you know, Jalen Walker had a big play on special
teams tonight. They've each you know, popped up with a
hurry here or there, but they're not playing that much
their first two picks. Yeah, and they gave up a
first round pick, you know, for Pierce to the Rams,
the twenty twenty six pick and the one thing to
the credit you know of this front office and shout
(33:24):
out to you know, Patrick Claybon who put Terry Fontina
in the top ten GMS and never heard the end
of it for me and from our listeners in the offseason. Well,
Patrick Claibon's laughing at you right now because all the
moves that he's made. It's it's getting them to a
pretty fun place. Anyways, my larger point was these two rookies,
if nothing else, what they've done and the way they've
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built the defense and the rookies are helping here. They
have so much depth, so many different types of players,
so many players that they can play that it really
does support this crazy pressure package and all the different
things that Ulbrick and Raheem Morris want to cook up. Like,
they have enough dudes with different skill sets to do
that that are versatile, so they are supporting them in
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that way, and they're playing really good team defense.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Yeah, it's not a Star Layden defense. Their most notable
players exist in their secondary, which, by the way, shout
out to aj Terrell, who basically erased Keon Coleman tonight
because he wouldn't stop fallowing him around the field. That
hurt the Bills offense as well. And I think that
when you are a su of parts defense and the
sum ends up being greater than your parts because of
the versatility that it offers you. That will travel and
(34:31):
that will give you a shot against some of the
perceived top tier teams in the NFL, which I don't
know if Buffalo is. If you look at their resume
right now, I'm gonna say team that speaten so far
didn't win this last week. Most of them are some
of the worst teams in the NFL. And the last
two teams that they've played, the Patriots and the Falcons,
have brought the fight to them and they've backed down
(34:52):
in both of those games. Another thing that a common
thread between those two games. And I know I'm harping
on two losses and the sound like a hater, and
that's fine. Josh Allen officially has a problem with throwing
picks over the middle of the field, because the picky
through tonight looked a lot like the pick Marcus Jones
got on him against New England and Buffalo in primetime
as well. So I don't know if it's take him
off of primetime or if it's figure out your offense.
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It's the ladder, it's not the former.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Okay, Well, they did beat the Ravens in Week one,
and I know the Ravens haven't you know, looked so
great since. But that was an incredible quarter out of
the Bill's offense. But I think the Cracks were showing
for their defense, yeah already, and the defense was driving
all the Bills fans crazy. You know, in the first
(35:34):
half of this game, they just looked like a SIV.
They gave up one hundred and fifty four yards on
miss tackles, and you know a lot of that was
on the John Robinson run because Cole Bishop had a
chance to get him down with about forty yards to go,
but there was about another one hundred and ten yards
of misstackle yardage there as well. So look, they have
(35:56):
really struggled defensively. Josh Allen doesn't look this and you're
right when you look at the teams that they beat
other than the Ravens, it was the Jets, it was
the Dolphins, it was the Saints, and we kind of
gave like the Dolphins and Saints pats on the back. Oh,
you competed with the Bills. You covered, I mean the
you know, good teams win, great teams cover. I mean,
(36:17):
when was last time Bill's covered in a game? I
guess they just that Jets game, because you know, everyone
keeps either beating them or becoming closer. By the way,
we should point out, because we're done talking about the
Falcons defense.
Speaker 4 (36:29):
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Speaker 1 (36:44):
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They're always reliable.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
There you go I for no reason other than I
want to see it. And we really appreciate everyone who
is making these Monday nights really fun in the comments
and watching and obviously everyone listening to us on the podcast,
but when you watch it on YouTube, you get to
look at the highlights. We have the rights the highlights,
and it's a beautiful thing. And I know it's crazy,
(37:12):
Shuk and I thought this game was gonna go much
differently when I suggested that Josh Allen's incompletion against a
blitz in the first quarter, I'm actually gonna throw it
up there for a Throw of the Year nominee, because
they get a blitzer clean on him falling backwards and
he drops an absolute dime in the bucket to Khalil Shakir,
(37:38):
who's not even that open over d Alfred Robert Alford,
who has had a good night tonight. And you know,
the review shows Khalil shakers out of bounds. But my god,
that was an incredible throw. So even on a bad night,
Josh Allen can do things that just make you say wow, shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
Yeah, I mean, he's still a superhero. He just looked
rather mortal over the last two weeks against defenses that
have the right plan for end. I don't know if
the blueprints necessarily out I think it's more about the
Bills kind of looking in the mirror, circling the wagons
like the Buffalo Bills do, and figuring out what they
need to do, which, by the way, stop going away
from James Coke in the fourth quarter. I know it
wasn't working in the third quarter, but my god, you're
(38:14):
in a one score game. Keep giving one of your
best players the football. It will work eventually, for God's sake.
It's been a point of frustration for me for the
last two games for the Bills. I hope it doesn't continue.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Yeah, I think that is an awesome point shook because
look you saw with that play like what they needed
to do to complete passes against the Blitz. It was
a humbling night, I think for Allen as the guy
who's now I think thought of and known as one
of the sharpest quarterbacks in the league. I watched every
game of Tom Brady's career, by the way, you know,
once or twice a year, no matter how old he got,
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like a defense confused him, a defense got him like
that's football, Like they would dominate and surprise tom Brady
like it does happen. But on a night where that
seemed obvious. Their success rate running the ball on design
runs was sixty percent. Cook was doing great all night.
Josh Allen was scrambling pretty well. But Cook goes seventeen
for eighty seven.
Speaker 1 (39:06):
So I think that with one carry in the fourth quarter,
Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (39:10):
You know last week, I can defend it the way
the gameplay was going and the way they were stuff
and Cook for the most part, like I could defend it,
I can't defend it here. So I mentioned the injuries
in this game. There were quite a few. Joshua Palmer
leaves early with a knee injury and that led to
a lot of time for Tyrrel Shavers. That was the
man who was targeted on that fourth down. I was
trying to think of her third down in the first half.
(39:33):
So a lot of Shavers, a lot of khalilshak here.
But that's an injury to watch. And then Treel Bernard,
their linebacker, was out for most of the second half
of this game and I do not think ever returned
to the field. And then for the Falcons, they lost
their left tackle, Jake Matthews. So let's wrap up actually
giving a little bit of love to the Falcons.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
You know, the the.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
Michael Pennox experience is consistently inconsistent, and he ends up
had a very similar night I think to Caleb William
where you look at the numbers, two hundred and fifty yards,
got the touchdown, got the win. They did well enough.
He did well enough to win. There were a couple
of near interceptions late there. There are a couple curious decisions.
(40:16):
There were some dimes too. If you watch him, this
is kind of who he's settling in to be this season.
Evaluate for me the experience with keeping in mind that
the points scored in the first half are worth just
as much as the lack of points I guess in
the second half.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
Yeah, well, I mean he had a touchdown pass e
Race by Drake London's foot going out of bounds in
the one yard line as time expired the first half,
so we could have added that to his ledger. But yeah,
there were times where he would overthrow guys. If you're
watching on YouTube, you're seeing that completion of Drake London
where he's out running Taylor rep to the goal line,
and it looked like he got in it first on
first look, and then the replay shows his right foot
steps out at almost exactly the one as he's reaching
(40:54):
for the pylon, which took away like big excitement in
that moment because it was like the Bill deserve that
because they had a turnover which gave the Falcons just
enough time to try that, and it was an aggressive
attempt by Drake London. It was like, oh, this is
like karma football, karma paying off right now for the Bills.
But overall, the Drake London experience is exactly how you describe,
which is that it is consistently inconsistent. But it's not negative,
(41:17):
it's not discouraging. It's just you gotta find more consistency.
I hete to say that because it sounds overly reductive,
but what he has a live arm. He overthrows guys
sometimes he did tonight. He also leans on he has
a favorite in Drake London, and he's always looking at
him and essentially his from what I've seen so far,
it's is Drake London open no is Kyle Pitt's open
(41:38):
no check out to Bijan Like that's kind of the
process that he's going through right now, and I understand
that's that's his top three guys, right. He will get
better over the course of a season. I think that
his processing is better than some young quarterbacks that we've seen.
It's still better than justin fields, and that is all
a positive. It's just that he's not going to be
a star overnight. If you think of Josh Allen's career
(41:59):
took him multiple years and changing his throwing, you know, form,
his technique and everything else before he became who he was.
Just give it time, he'll be fine.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
He had another decision where he kind of locked in
to Casey Washington on the third down when he's well
covered by Tron Johnson, and he didn't face much pressure
on that play. He didn't face a ton of pressure
overall on the night, but it was like he just
made that decision when there were more open receivers with
better matchups elsewhere on the field. I thought there were
(42:28):
a couple of moments like that. He also on the
last Falcons drive when they ended up kicking the field
goal to go up ten, the only thing that they
could possibly do to lose the game then was turned
the ball over and he threw it right over the
middle to awaiting Shack Thompson, who played well tonight.
Speaker 4 (42:45):
I thought, you know, now the year.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Yeah, like a ageless Shack Thompson, and Shack Thompson, you know,
just couldn't pull in the interception after anticipating the play,
and we would be talking about Penix' night, you know,
quite a bit different if that happened. But I also
don't want to forget the dimes. So let's let's actually
go back to the first half and let's see the
touchdown throw that did stand up to Drake London.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
There's London moving out on the wide side. They take
the snap, here's Pennix, Michael Luk rips it, London stretches
the ball across.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
That's a touchdown for Atlanta.
Speaker 3 (43:17):
By goodness, what a play.
Speaker 6 (43:19):
I loved it.
Speaker 4 (43:20):
What a touch and.
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Then the presence of mine to reach it chucker right
over the white line for the scoreble with.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
So this play is like a he's a quarterbat laid
on that throw, but he's got such a strong arm
that he can still fit it in there. He put
it in the right spot and it was great play
design where he had a receiver kind of take away
the defender inside. They're basically playing like I think it
was covered two on the goal line and just making
a picket fence and he just it's kind of a
spacing concept where he just sits down right there, you
put on the inside with the defender and outside leverage, Boom, touchdown.
(43:48):
And you could do that because you have the arm talent,
which is why we obsessed with arm talent on quarterbacks
who come out of the draft because it matters in
tight windows in the NFL, and there's a ton of
them in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Yeah, and he showed it off tonight and like that
was one of those plays where when he reaches that out,
like you can just imagine it getting getting knocked out
and that would be such a Falcons play. And you
mentioned that the end of half sequence when they did
not get that touchdown. Even though it was a little
bit of found money, it was such a unique play
where you're thinking at first, like get out of bounds,
(44:19):
Drake London, so you can so you can kick, you know,
for the three points, and then you realize, oh, it's
all or nothing. He's either gonna score a touchdown or
you're getting zero points. And it was so surprising because
you mentioned the turnover that was the clunker of a
Josh Allen interception just trying to do too much and
then he comes up short and the you know, the
Bills go into halftime down twenty one to seven, and
(44:41):
they get a quick touchdown coming out of the break
and you're like, oh man, that's seven points they didn't get.
That's that's gonna haunt them all night. But the defense
just didn't let it happen. Pretty awesome, an awesome performance
by another team. Look, this NFL is really heavy in
terms of the upper middle. There's a lot of teams,
(45:02):
and I still consider the Bills one of those teams.
They're four and two. The Falcons are three and two,
where it's just like, all right, you're in position like
you got a pretty good chance to make the playoffs.
I have no idea how to separate about ten to
twelve of those teams. This Bill team still has Josh Allen.
They've shown that they can figure things out as the
season goes along. I've seen some bad Sean McDermott defenses
(45:24):
where everyone thinks he's going to get fired by the
end of the year, and somehow he turns it around
even after. You know, Tyler Dunn writes a big feature
about how he used nine to eleven as a motivational pactic.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
Blake Oh, I was wondering if you're going to bring
that up. They're missing, They're missing personnel. They don't have
Matt Malonell. They had three healthy defensive tackles tonight at
Oliver just came back from the party. They got to
get guys back. But I don't want to discount that
because that does matter.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
But yeah, they always have lalls, They always have lulls.
And in the Falcons defense, they were playing Mike Jarrell
at left tackle and Elijah Wilkinson at right tack go
by in the second half of this game, and they
really need Jake Matthews to come back. I mean, that
is as troubling a tackle combination and pass protection as.
Speaker 4 (46:09):
You'll ever see.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
And that's I think part of the reason why the
offense slowed down so much in the second half. Like
had I believe near one hundred and fifty one yards
at halftime yards from scrimmage, so most of them were
in the first half. Dake London had one hundred and
forty seven yards at halftime like fantasy games were one
in the first half, and then he only added you know,
(46:32):
eleven more yards. But he does end up with ten
for one fifty eight and a touchdown. Last thing on
the falcons before we go. I love that we had
John Robinson and just to kind of close the circle
on him on a night where he announced himself yes
as an award potential candidate. My whole thing with the
(46:53):
MVP conversation took. It's just like, you know, what is
this conversation? Just why are we talking about a conversation?
Speaker 4 (46:59):
Just have it?
Speaker 7 (47:00):
Just say it, you know, I mean, it's a flaw
a week, it's week it's week six. Yeah, here's the clue.
None of this is going to really matter in the
MVP talk. Like stats that they're cumulative and they will
still count, but ultimately it's basically what you do from
week eleven and twelve onwards that matters. And yeah, we're
gonna winnow out a lot of players, but there's gonna
(47:20):
be a lot of players in the mix going into
week ten or eleven, and then that's when you really
figure and.
Speaker 1 (47:25):
Is your team good? Like that's the other criteria. Your
team has to be good. There's no envy, there's no
Jerry West losing the NBA Finals and winning NBA Finals MVP.
That doesn't happen in the NFL. Your team has to
be good too, so that helps us kind of sorted
out as well. It's fun fodder for now you gotta
fill some time somewhere.
Speaker 2 (47:42):
Something about the phrase, oh why didn't he should be
in the MVP conversation? It's well, I think week six
is the same, Like I would have him top five
for MVP, like put say something specific, is what I'm saying,
because he's in there. You can only vote for three guys,
you can you know, five guys. Someone's asking if he's
in the Offensive Player of the Month conversation.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, you know what he is.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
He's in the NFL Daily Guest of the Week conversation,
maybe of all time conversation. I thought it was really
interesting the question that Jordan rod Rieg asked about the
way that he gets extra vision lining up in the pistol.
Let's actually listen to him talking last week on the show.
Speaker 6 (48:25):
For me, it's just you know, using using my vision
and just anticipating what's coming before it even happened, for
the play even starts, and for me, like you know,
it's very important to use my eyes at a very
high level. And some manipulate linebackers, safetyes, uh d, lineman,
just just every every one of them, because when I
do that, and when I'm controlling the pace of the game,
(48:48):
then then everything else is taking care of yourself.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
So that's a good brand deal. By the way, Codate total,
he is the total back.
Speaker 4 (48:55):
There you go, vision, power, speed.
Speaker 2 (49:00):
I love the question from Jordan and she loves she
loves the pistol offense. And I think tonight was a
great sign that even if on this particular Falcons team,
like the pass and the run aren't always married up,
there are a lot of big time advantages And Baijon
talked about it there and his vision to me is
second to none.
Speaker 4 (49:19):
Right now in the league statement win season changing win?
Speaker 2 (49:24):
Are the Bills going to be one of those teams
that just like every time they lose, everyone's like, oh,
the Patriots have arrived. Oh now the Falcons have arrived.
There are like there are tennis players to use an
example that probably most of our listeners don't care about that,
like it's like, oh, that's the biggest win of his career.
That it's people that just are always handing out those wins. Stefan,
(49:48):
you know, Stefano sits a pass back in the day.
A top five guys Alex verv.
Speaker 4 (49:51):
Oh, it's the biggest win of their career. He beats
number four.
Speaker 2 (49:53):
It's like, well, it's not the biggest win of your
season if the Bills are just kind of an average team.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Yeah, and that's why we play the game. Parody is
maybe at an all time high right now, at least
it feels like it.
Speaker 4 (50:03):
It is like in the mid upper middle.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
And yet we still have like eight teams I feel
like we can cross off, including the Tennessee Titans. Brian
Callahan was fired on Monday. It's no longer even Monday
where Shook is taping because these games were so good
and we love, you know, serving this doubleheader as much
attention as it can get. We're going to talk about
the Callahan firing all the other news that has come
(50:28):
down on our Tuesday show in the studio with Jordan
rod Rieg. So so stay tuned for that one. And yeah,
this was an absolute pleasure, Nick Shook.
Speaker 1 (50:40):
Yeah, doubleheaders they're good and they're bad, but when the
games are good, they're more good than bad.
Speaker 2 (50:47):
That has beautifully said from an NFL dot com writer
who still has some writing to do. Sorry with that tonight,
I want to point out to everyone that's the last
simultaneous doubleheader in NFL history. Roger Goodello doesn't like it.
They're off the schedule indefinitely starting next year. They're not
part of the TV package.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Like, that's it.
Speaker 2 (51:07):
We have one more double headers, so if you love
the double headers, we got one more for you next week.
We'll be live then, but they're separated, no more simultaneous.
Speaker 4 (51:15):
We'll see you that
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