November 24, 2025 • 38 mins
Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks and Brian Baldinger recap the biggest games from Week 12, including the Chiefs putting a lid on the Colts en route to a season-saving win (2:24) before diving into Buccaneers - Rams (6:44), Giants - Lions (13:27), Eagles - Cowboys (16:28), Steelers - Bears (27:02) and Browns - Raiders (31:00).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody, welcome to move the Sticks on a Monday, DJ,
Bucky and Baldy with you. Baldy, first of all, Man,
that's a that's a that's a strong non part of
the jacket that you're working there.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, I saw this down outside the cafeteria on Friday.
I think I'm like, I got to have that jacket, man,
I gotta have it. I have been taking it off.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
That's fantastic. I feel I feel like you got that
out of the Jerry Mark break collection.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
This is a throwback. Man.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
I'm so glad that you elected to wear dead Letterman's
jacket instead of that Duke letters jacket.
Speaker 6 (00:39):
I thought that what heels on Saturday, Bucky, because I
was like, I was like, I was like, if Baldi
shows up with a duke jacket.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
After they run j they.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Run a fake field goal, they run a fake field goal,
like like the field.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Goal would put them ahead. Yeah, they wanted to go
up to putting themselves in a position to win the game,
And I'm like, what are we doing? Why would you
do that?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Like?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Just hats all man, just just a sad day, sad
tough one, baldy.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I I you know, I want to join the winning
side here. So the fact that you were a winner
this week, app State finally won a game, which was nice.
But hey, the Christian High Patriots, my son's high school team,
we're in the SAF championship game this week. We had
a big held on for a little twenty seventeen w
So we were at the Southwestern College.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Playing the Central High School out there out in the desert.
Tough kids. Tough kids are mountain desert. So yeah, good,
that's GREATO.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Well yeah, fun fun?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Oh is this the first?
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Is this the first championship experience in the Jeremiah High
School Inters?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So that this would be our It would be a
chance for our school to be our eleventh SF championship,
which I think is second most in San Diego County.
I was, you know, buck, I only played three years
of our football, so I only won three.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Because I didn't.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Uh we ran out.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, that was it. That was why they capped it.
They capped it right there. And both my nephews, both
my nephews, I believe one one. So this could be
like like we have eleven and I think six of
them would have a Jeremiah.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Extra out there.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, that's very cool. Allre that so many of these games, Baldy,
you're at a good one. Let's start with where you
were because INDYKC, this was a KC team that man,
they were teetering on the brink, you know, looking at
them saying they're not going to be in the tournament.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
That's a rap. And then they had a furious comeback
over the Colts.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, it was. They couldn't score touchdown DJ for the
first three quarters. I mean, they had three field goals.
They couldn't get an explosive play. I mean, I got
a bit that for the first time, the Colts were
able to put out sauce you know, Travarious Ward and
you know Kenny Moore, and they played I mean, they
just put a lid over the top of the Chiefs.
Mames had some protection, he had some time. He just
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couldn't find anything down the field for the first three
quarters and then backed up on the goal line at
the end of the third quarter and he does a
classic Mahomes and Rashi Rice kind of breaks loose from
Kenny Moore and he hits him in stride for forty five,
and that kind of ignited things for the Chiefs offense
because they were asleep, and and the Colts defense played great.
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You know, Jermaine Pratt had twenty tackles, Zia Franklin pulled
the ball out of you know, Kareem Hunt's hands, got
a fumble, fumble recovery. They played great defense for three quarters.
But Mahomes just, He's just Mahomes man. He just keeps
he just keeps competing, he keeps firing, he keeps fighting away.
And they got off of life support because that's exactly
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where they were that I've been a we've all been
in an Arrowhead. We know how that place rocks, we know
how the decibel. That place was a morgue for the
first three quarters in that game, and they were looking
at going five and six and losing three in a row.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
And then that one play to Rashi Rice kind of
woke up the whole team.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
I thought, that's uh, but it's amazing. But it's also
the thing that the league fears, right. Everyone wants the
Chiefs to go away. It's funny because I'm looking at
it with Jacks people and you're like, oh man, yeah,
we want the Coast to go down. We don't want
the Chiefs to lose like the Coasts bring it. But
there's this fear of pat Mahomes and Kansas City, almost
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like when we were teenagers or whatever, when it was
Nightmare on m Street, Right, Freddy Fruit can't kill them
like you want them out. So you're just scared that
if they get in, because they've done it so much, what.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
It wants he just knows. And so that's the fear
that everyone has.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
If they mess around and get into the tournament, they'll
find a way to be the last team standing again
because we've seen this, We've seen this story, We've seen
this movie.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Over and over and over again, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
And Palter, you mentioned a couple guys that I dug
in and watched from this. I was curious for she
rice eight for a buck forty one. So I'm looking
at how they using them. It's a couple of quick screens.
It's a fly sweep, it's some bubbles, it's a broken play,
it's run after catch, and then they hit him with
mesh one time and then down in the red zone
they fake mesh and he ends up wheeling back out
the back door. It was just a really cool design.
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But he's just kind of the he's the guy, get
the ball in his hands and let him run with it.
I mean, that's what the role that he's been playing.
But still wasn't you know, it wasn't a crisp game.
They ran a bazillion plays, Like the points to play
ratio is now like.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
I know, a hundred.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It was like a big twelve college game back in
the day, you know, where you both sides would put
up one hundred plays. The thing though, that you know,
Indianapolis has to be kicking themselves, like they they went.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Away from feeding Jonathan Taylor in that game.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
They had four straight three and outs and they put
it in Daniel Jones's hand. He's played good, but I
just don't understand, like why they would go away and
trying to.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Feed john State.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It wasn't like they were doing anything special upfront, you know,
Chris Jones out there, but they were like they I
just never thought they tried to get him going.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
And I saw the same thing happen.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
When they lost to Pittsburgh a couple of weeks ago.
They went away from from Jonathan Taylor, and I just
I just for the life of me can't figure out
what Because I like Shames Stike and I think he's
a really good designer of offense. I just can't figure
out how they would go away from their best player
like that.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, I mean, he's the engine, and you get you
can't get that confused with the different weapons they have
and different ways they can beat it, He's still the
engine makes the whole thing go. But I thought, I
know they lost the ball game, but I didn't come
out of that thinking any less of Indianapolis. Like you said,
just put the ball on Jonathan Taylor's belly a little bit.
They probably win that game. That's a good football team.
So anyways, big win for the Chiefs. Let's get to uh,
(06:40):
let's get to the Sunday and nighter. We can kind
of work backwards here, buck Tampa and the Rams. A
game that the Rams. You know, you Baker Mayfield got
knocked out of this game, but it was that game
was over before he got knocked out of that game.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, it was, man.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
And look I'm gonna say this man right now, in
looking at all the teams, the Rams are the best
team in football. Like they can get it done in
so many different ways. There's a saying where you say, hey,
we went gritty, we being pretty. The Rams can do
it either way you want. If you want to down
in dirty game, go on a physical game where it's
about the run game and defense, they can do that.
If you want them to throw it all over the
yard and show the creativity of Sean mcvay's offensive mind,
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they can do that. They just have so many different
paths to victory that they're very, very difficult to defend.
And then when it comes to their personnel, I can't
say that they have all A level defenders, but man,
you'd be hard pressed to find a team that plays
as hard as the Rams. Like their physicality, their toughness,
their overall energy you feel when you watch them. I've
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seen it in person at London, but then watching them
last night on TV, you can feel their presence. They're
just a really good team. And man, I know the
division and stuff with them Seattle and they go back
and forth, but I'm just hard pressed to find a
team that's playing better than them.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Right now, as we head down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I'm looking at them, Baldi and wondering how big you
think home field advantages? I mean, that game because if
you look at them and Philly on a collision course
and that game and the weather. I mean, I know,
obviously the Rams game all they could handle in the
playoffs last year, but to me, that's a that's a
massive home field advantage. They get to play that game
at so far against the Eagles, versus having to play
them on the road.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Well, the all Eagle fans out there, you know they're
going to invade. They always do, so it's going to
be an Eagle home game. I mean, look, I mean
I was. I denounced the Week four game with the
Rams and the Eagles, and Eagles block two field goals
in a fourth quarter to win the game, but I
mean the Rams were blowing.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
It was a boat race in that gate.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It was twenty six to seven, and the Eagles were asleep,
and they had a good second half and made some plays.
You know, special teams, but they're just there's to say
they're complete as an under They don't have any bad games.
They don't they don't play batter, they don't go to sleep,
and Stafford's the MVP of this league. I'm just amazed
at how effective they use their tight ends. I mean,
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Kobe Parkinson catches, you know, another touchdown pass. They've got
eight of the thirty touchdowns that Stafford's throne has been
to the tight ends. And they played two and three
tight ends. It's becoming a tight end league. They've got
four of them that they dress County Terence Ferguson. But
they all have a separate role, and they're all really
good at what they do, and they can play without
their starting right tackle.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
And you don't even notice it.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
You know, you don't even notice Hanstein, who's a good
player on the sidelines in that game, and they just
look well, coach, they execute, They boat raced Tampa, you
know in that first half, and it was just a
question of now how many points do they want to
put up in that game.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah. A couple of things here.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
One, you're watching Stafford in the way he's playing the
MVP level, and think about how well he played in
Detroit when just you know, he had Megatron but the
rest of those rosters were not in great shape. Took
him to the playoffs coming off an zero and sixteen
you know, a year that they had there during his tenure.
But I'm sitting there going, man, what if Stafford had
been in a quality organization from start to finish. With
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the pieces around him, we could be talking about him
as the great gatest player of all time, Like he's
got that type of ability and the level at which
he's played since he got to the Rams was pretty ridiculous.
But the other thing I wanted to hit on buck
We were talking about this a little bit beforehand. Emmanuel Forbes,
he had five PBUs in this game, and I'm watching
him and I was talking Baldi. This morning, I went
back and read my notes on him coming out, and
(10:18):
it was all the stuff that we liked about him
coming out. It was the length, it was the fluidity,
it was the burst, and the clothes. The guy ran
in the four threes. He's one hundred and sixty six pounds.
He missed tackles in college, but you're going to You're
gotta live with some of that because the guy can
cover so dang well. Washington, I think grew so frustrated
with the tackling and the lack of physicality there that
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they punted on him, kind of gave up on him.
And now you look up and my comp was samari
Roll coming out. I remember like Fred Smoot was another
name that he kind of reminded me of with some
leaner guys who just know how to cover and play
the ball, and the Rams man that was a smart
move on their part scoop him up.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Did you remember going back and thinking about that draft?
Speaker 5 (10:57):
He was my favorite dB in the class because in
looking at him, his footwork, his technique, his turns and transitions,
his ability to make plays on the ball, to me
stood out above others, Like there's some guys who have
the gifts.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
When it comes to being able to cover and do
those things.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I felt like he had that, And even though the
tackling and the lack of physicality was an issue, I
just thought in a pass happy league he would find
a place to be a starting, high end cornerback in
the right system.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
For whatever reason, it didn't.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Work out from Washington, and it was kind of apparent
early that it just didn't job his game and then
it just didn't work.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
But for the Rams it works and I can't tell
you why exactly.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Like sometimes I'll say this environment culture can bring out
more of the desired traits that you want to see
from a player, but it works from him and having
a conversation with the Ram staffer.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
After a game.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
We talked about the manuforms and how he settled in
and the confidence coming back, and what you're seeing is
a first.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Round talent playing to his strengths as a player.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Well, I think that you know, coming out of Missipis State,
he had ball skills, obviously, I think Jet I think
he had thirteen interceptions with the Bulldogs down there. But
just watching him, he just sits on these routes like
he's a good route reader. He sits on top of
these routes and then he makes his That's how you
get five PBUs in a game. You're not guessing. You're
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just sitting on these things and you're just waiting. You're
waiting on you know, whether it's tedz Johnson or guy
want somebody just to you know, to come back to
the ball. And then once that happens, like his his
initial his foot speed is elite when he can do that,
and you know you're talking about the physicality and the
tapu is. I just remember something that Rex Ryan always
said when he was coaching with the Jets. He goes,
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I want my corners to cover. I got nine other
guys are supposed to make them happot me let this.
This guy stop the ball from going over my head.
I got reebs out here. I mean, I've got my guys.
I'll let the other guys make the tack.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
The other thing about him is that he's so lean
and he's so long that he's able to get through
a receiver without contacting him. So he'll be on their
back and a lot of times receivers can box a
guy out and go get to the ball. Well, his
hands reached. He's got so much reach and he can
get through you without contacting you. That's how he collected
some of those PBUs. Another one where even when he's
a little bit beat man, you got to be able
to recover.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
He can.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
He can close and recover a big time, big time
burst in speed. So he's been a good find there
for the Rams. And I'm with you, guys, I think
they are. They're playing like the best team of football
right now. Baldy Detroit and the Giants a game that
I didn't have on my bingo cards, being you know,
one of the more entertaining close games made its way
into overtime. The Giants had a great shot to steal
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this one, uh, but Jamiir Gibbson company.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
We were to pull it out.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Well for probably you know this the fifth or sixth
time this year the Giants surrender the lead again. Jane
Bowen is out, you know fire today. Uh, they can't
close the game out. They did everything you could do offensively.
One deal is a really good player, and James found him.
They had some some creativity. Mike kaff gets some creative
in the offense to create some offense. They had Detroit
(14:03):
on the ropes. They just could not finish it out.
And it's been their story all season long. And credit
Detroit for making a comeback, but honestly, like the Giants
should have been able to finish that game. I thought
Kafka coached a good game. I thought Jamis played really well.
You know, he made the place necessary to get twenty
seven points on the board. You think that you're in
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good shape up twenty seven to seventeen, but you just
go through like Denver and you know all these Get
Dallas and all these games where they're just surrendering these leads,
just playing these soft coverages just frustrating for any Giant fan.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Yeah, that's me frustrating because when you think about the
way the Giants are constructed from a personnel standpoint. They're
constructed to close out games, given their pass rush and
given what you want to do. And I understand Shane
Bowing prefers soft coverage and zone coverage in those things,
and there's a way to accomplish that not litting the
ball flower your head while being a little more sticky.
But the Giants have lost too many of these games
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where it's in hand you have your best unit, because
I think we would say that their defense is supposed
to be their best unit when you look at their
personnel and they haven't been able to get it done.
It has to be frustrating for the Giants and the
Giants fan base that she used to seeing dominant defenses,
Like that's what the Giants have been built on, going
all the way back through time, That's what they're built on.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
It's just frustrating. It's frustrating to watch.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
And if I was a Giants fan, man, I would
be up to my ears in frustration. Just knowing that
this team should be much better than their record indicates.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yeah, a couple of good things on the on the
Giant side of things. Darius Alexander, the rookie two sacks,
little bull rip and then just kind of a firm
pocket push out of him. Going back through my notes,
six oho three sevens, just under six four to three
hundred and five pounds, ran four nine to five. A
little bit older guy at twenty five years old, but
thirty four inch arms, big time power. I thought he
could bend and move and will shake bowl. Play with
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right doing really good. Seeing that bull can snatch blocks
like he's talented. I think really kind of the age
was the knock on him. But a good player, and
see him get a couple of sacks. Good for him.
Abdul Carter, it's shocking he didn't have the sack production.
But you watch him in this game, and he had
three quarterback hits, four tackles. I thought he was playing fast.
He can still, you know, he can still got a
(16:13):
great takeoff. He's got a great takeoff. So the stats
are gonna come. I wouldn't freak out about, you know,
the lack of sack production there. That's gonna come eventually.
Let's take a quick pause and then we'll jump into
some more of these games.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
All right, body, let's let's jump in on the Baldi Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Philly Dallas here, Philly had him, had him dead to
rights and could not put him away.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Great Dallas man, I thought, starting at the end of
the second quarter, when they took a drive down to
cut it to twenty one seven, I thought the offense
line really began to assert itself all of a sudden,
runs that were a yard or two yards for the
first quarter and a half of that game became five
and six yards. I thought Javonte ran it really really good,
but I thought they protected Dak really well, and you know,
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they just hung in there. And then the defense, honestly,
for Dallas, I give them credit. They had trouble with
Davonte and with aj to start that game, and Jalen
was really really, really sharp, and then you know they
cannot run the ball when they have to run the
ball all year. I mean, I don't think Saquon, I
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don't think anybody has fewer has more runs of two
yards or less than Saquon.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Like, he can't get a run.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
And it's some of it is him, some of it
is there's just not a burst there that used to
be there. Some of it is his instincts to where
the hole is going to be. And then a lot
of it is just upfront. I don't know what they're
doing on some of these runs upfront with Jurgons and
some of the guards and how they're blocking these things.
But that newly built defensive line of Dallas, they showed up.
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They showed up quite a bit in that second half.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
You know, it's funny, right, So it's the Cowboys the
long road to get to this point where they have
a better defense in terms of like a more balance defense.
When you have Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark and you
got Si, I can always mess up over Digga Zua
being there. So they're really good there and they've kind
of bought into and kind of found their way and
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met Eberflus's scheme.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
So they're playing better.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
And then offensively, they have a team that they can score.
And whenever you can score, it's easier to build a
defense that can play with that kind of firepower and
play complimentary ball and that bang. The thing that's tricky
about this game is they were behind. I mean, they
were getting they were getting whooked, and they find a
way to hold the rope. So give brianshot not my credit.
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We talked about it last time on the last podcast,
we talked about the job that he's doing and just
how amazing he's done in his first year, just holding
everything together in a place that is very difficult to
win in as a coach.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Like give them credit, Like they're five to five and one.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
I don't know where it ends up for him, but
they have a lot of respect in terms of just
how they're competing each and every week.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
There's certain things that they can build on going forward.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
In the brianshot, there was a stretch in his game
where Dak just literally took the game over.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
There.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
They're down twenty one to seven, They're down on the
five yard line, and Dak rolls to his right. He
fines Brevin Ford span like in the back of the
end zone. I mean it like it's the last second.
He's being chased, he's going out of bounds, and he
just floats it over the head of the underneath defender.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Touchdown, they get a stop. They come back.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
He hits Pickings on a forty eight yard shot where
he just turns Cooper Degene all the way around, and
then two plays later, Dak took it in and scrambled
and did a flip into the end zone. To tie
the game up, and literally within four and a half
minutes they went from down twenty one to seven to
tie to twenty one, and they got rubbed themselves right
back in the game early in that fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I'm glad you guys got me to Dak because that's
what I wanted to get to. Look where he is
projected wise now, he just take his numbers right now
and project him out over the rest of the season.
He's on pace for forty five and forty five yards,
thirty six touchdowns, eleven picks. He's completing sixty nine points
three percent of his passes. When you know, I feel
like people got to be reminded a little bit because
and maybe it's cowboy fatigue that people are sick of
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talking about him and all that kind of stuff, but
he has held this team together and kept them in
this thing where they're still alive here in the NFC,
and he's playing outside of stafford at Emi Harpress. Tell
me who's playing better than Dak When he's locked in
and when he's on making every throw under center and
the gun, you're moving him your touch, throws up and down, throws,
vertical shots like I mean, he had one ball.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
He's just the red zone pick.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Where he got locked in after they had a dumb
penalty at the one yard line and he forces the
ball and ends up getting picked. But overall, I thought
he saw the field really, really well. And the other
thing I would say buck is going through it and
watching all of his stuff and studying him. Was this
offensive line against a very very talented front across the
board for Philly held up quite well.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Yeah, the offensive line for Dallas is terrific. And look
at there's certain things that always hold true when it
comes to the Cowboys. With Cowboys are great. They have
a dominant offensive line. They can get it punishing you
running the ball. They haven't necessarily done that consistently this year,
but man, they always have a wall of big bodies
up front to protect the quarterback. Dak Prescott has been terrific.
(21:11):
And I would say this because we talked about this
before we clicked on the pod. George Pickens is what
we thought that he could be at his best when
he was coming out of school. He is terrific playing
on the opposite side of Ceedee Lamb. The Cowboys have
always been at their best when they have two legitimate
weapons on the outside, Michael Irvin and Alvin Harper.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
However you want to do it, they do it.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
And because you cannot singlely double team CD LAMB without
getting punished, it bounces out the defense and it opens
up the field for Dak Prescott. Look, I look at
the end, they're gonna have to make a decision on
what they do with George Pickens. But if I'm the Cowboys,
you better find a way to pay him so you
can keep him in CD in the fall, because this
offense is explosive.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
You know, just to touch on you, we're talking about
DJ about the offensive line. You think about what the
Eagles did to the Packers and the Lions back to
back weeks. I mean, they just dominated both lines, whether
it was home or away, and they didn't do that
against this Dallas front.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I mean Tyler Booker, you know he in the second half,
he had a good game against Jalen Carter. But the
whole group, I mean, all those guys that affected the
game last week against Detroit that Jared Goff was still
talking about a week later about how physical they were
and how good they were, uh, and all the guys
up front recognizing the Eagles. They did not do that
to Dallas in this game. And so credit Booker and
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you know, Tyler Smith and guy in the whole group,
man Cooper b b played really well in there. That
was that was a really well done job up front.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, just to wrap up both of you guys there.
To me, if you're getting ready and you're putting an
advanced scouting report for the Cowboys, to me, George Pickens
is the one who's getting the attention.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
He's been. He's just been better than Seedee Lamb.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
If you're going to try and double somebody or take
somebody away, I think I'm leaning in that direction, which
is crazy that you would have said that coming into
this season, But that's who's who's doing the damage. So
that's the first side of it. And then on the
other side of it, this felt like I picked the
Eagles to lose this game just because it kind of
felt like they've been look at their schedule like they've
been in some wars against the best teams in football,
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and they come out on the right side of the
vast majority of those games.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I thought they would be a little bit tired, a
little fatigue. Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
You know, a little emotional, you know, after the death
of their teammate, coming back home all those things. So
not not totally surprised that the Dallas was able to
get a win.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
There.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Last point on this game bald the AJ Brown eight
for a Buck ten and a touchdown. So that's a
good sign for the Eagles. And I was curious to
watch it, like, okay, you know how what they have
to do to get him going? What turns out you
can just throw hitches to him against soft coverage and
make people tackle your oid guy. I was talking at
the top about high school football, you know, watching you know,
high school playoffs and all that kind of stuff, and
(23:47):
I always tell people the goal of high school football
should be to make the other team tackle your best
player as many times as possible.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, Buck, he's done that because he's put his he'll
put his athlete.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
At quarterback and to say we're going to run it
and make him tackle, make him tackle our best.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Guy, Like this is not hard with a J. Brown.
You don't have to throw them ball fifty yards down
the field. Just get the ball in his hands and
make people have to tackle that big monster.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
No, you know, DJ like it goes back when I
was in Green Bay, Mike Hogan was a head coach
and he had come from San Francisco, and on his
play sheet there used to be this little little column
right and whoever the best wide receiver was, it was
a get the ball to that number. So if I
am with the field ala Eagles, there's a get the
ball to number eleven, get the ball to number six,
And they're like five or six plays that are not
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complex plays.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
He's the primary read, he's the isolation route.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
It's a hitch, a slant out, something designed to keep
him engaged. And during my time in Green Bay, Gill
Hasker was a wide receiver coach and his job was
to tap Coach Runkman on the show to every two series, Ay,
such and such hasn't had the ball in a couple series.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Let's remember, Let's remember to keep him engaged.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Because as a play call is sometimes you're so bogged
down with all the x's and o's and I want
to get to this that you forget it's about players,
not plays. And I think for the Eagles it's really
as simple to that because that a curb a lot
of this this grunt up stuff that we're getting into
the locker room. Just keep them involved in the game
while running what you want to run.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
On offense, the.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Eagles really hurt themselves. They had fourteen penalties. They were
constantly backing up and after big plays. I mean, you know,
a twenty yard play to Goddard, you know, comes back
because you know they got they got.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
An illegal shift.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I mean just the horrible penalties that were called and
they got to you know, and so all of a sudden,
instead of first and ten, you know, you're second to twenty.
And they had a hard time coming out of a
lot of those a lot of those predicaments.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Again, it just felt like this was kind of they
were due to kind of have somewhat of an egg
and they jump on them twenty one nothing. I'm like, well,
I guess I read this wrong. They're gonna blow the
Cowboys out of the building. But then they just kind
of sputtered and the Cowboys get a big win. Man,
how about that Thursday game. By the way, Holy Moly,
Chiefs Cowboys. I don't see that is the baldy we ever.
(25:58):
Did you guys ever use the frame loser Leaf Town
Match or is that just for wrestling, but it feels
it feels like it's apropos.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
For this one.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I want I like, the Chiefs just had one hundred plays.
I got to see, like, you know what kind of
fatigue they're going to have going down to Dallas. I
played in that you know, Thanksgiving Day game a long
long time back, before you know, there was Thursday Night football.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Like we we live.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
To learn how to get ourselves ready to play two
games in four days.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
We knew we had a little mini buy afterwards.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
We could rest up, but our whole, our whole preparations,
we're getting ready for two games in four days. That's
what Dallas in Kannessy has got to do on short
weeks here after tough games. So we'll see, like who's
still standing there in the fourth quarter this one on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Speaking of that, NFL continues to honor and commemorate the
late John Madden with the fourth annual John Madden Thanksgiving
Celebration on Thursday, November twenty seventh. Special NFL producer Madden
Hallmark will kick off each broadcast conveying what Thanksgiving meant
to him in his own words, So cool, how they've
branded these games around John Madden his wagasy there great,
give me very cool buck, Chicago Bears white hot, didn't
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matter if Pittsburgh came in. No Aaron Rodgers. They just
find a way. Chicago, no one thing. It's not going
to be comfortable. They're not going to win by two touchdowns.
That's not the way they play. But they are becoming
quite adept at winning close ball games as they did
again they.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Are man because they have physicality and pezazz like Ben
Johnson has been able to meld those things together where
they are physical team to kind of getting back to
their roots of what the franchise has been about while
building around a quarterback who has a flair for the dramatic,
and Ben Johnson has been able to rein it in. Defensively,
they get turnovers, they're playing good ball, and I feel
like this was the game that they were pointing to
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to validate who they are. They needed to have that
win against a physical football team that people would respect
to then get the respect that they want. And now
that you're looking at him, you're looking at Detroit kind
of having ebbs and flows offensly because Dan Campbell's having
to take it over. Their defense is kind of scatter
shot the Green Bay Pack is you haven't realized their potential.
The Bears have to feel good about their plot and
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where they are. They got to go and do it
on the field. But they are well positioned to not
only make the postseason, but to maybe swipe this division
at a time where I don't know if you really
combine into the hype before the season. Man, they're playing
good ball and Ben Johnson has certainly proven anyone who
thought that it would take him a while to turn
this around.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
He's certainly proven all those guys wrong.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Can I give you, guys just one example, by the way,
why it's you know, there's a lot of things I
like better the way we grew up in our generations
versus this new generation. But when you get a text
on the family group chat that says, can someone bring
me some toilet paper? We didn't have that when we
were growing up. Man, it was you got no toilet paper.
That's a tough walk. That's a tough walk.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah, exactly. I won't get into one other options.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
We had, but it was not a family group chat.
I can tell you that much. Somebody else is taking
care of it.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
But I'm off the hook. Hey, Baldy. How about my
app state linebacker in this ball, Mark Jackson.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
First NFL start, Dennis I guess he came with Dennis
Allen from New Orleans. Yeah, it was with the Saints
for two years. Never started a game in his life.
They're down, Tremaine Edmunds are down, t J. Edwards are down.
Noah sul Hippolyte got hurt in that game. So they're
playing Amen.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
A modern mag Beniga he was with, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
It was.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
On the air all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I knew he played at Oklahoma State,
been around the league.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Done a great kid, by the way, Yeah, great, great kid.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
But they those I mean DeMarco had fifteen tackles. Fifteen tackles,
and you know he shows up like there was a
huge play in the game. It's third and two and
they're throwing it to game well out there in the flat,
they got a lead blocker. He defeats the block and
he tackled for a one yard loss and the whole
defense jumped on top of them. You know, Chauncey Gardner,
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Johnson's there, They're all like, you know, that was a
big play that had to pump the ball at that spot.
There's a there was a series in this game that's interesting.
The Bears with nineteen seconds ago in the first half,
they go for it and they make two plays and
they kick a field goal to cut the lead of
twenty one seventeen. They come out in the third quarter
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and Caleb ball doesn't hit the ground. Five straight completions
and a touchdown on a broken, broken coverage by the
Steelers to Dj Moore, like, literally, the ball didn't hit
the ground on a sixty yard drive and I mean
Caleb just ripped one after another.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
But the play calling, you know, when they.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Call the slow screen and all four Steelers are on
top of Caleb and he floats it over their head
and he's got the convoy out front. I mean, it
was just they overcame a first and twenty on a
stupid play by Dj Moore where it's just taunting.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
It was really impressive to watch that third quarter drive.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, big time, big time win for the Chicago Bears.
So they are, they're rolling schedule. It's a little tougher
coming down the home stretch here, so they'll be challenged.
Looking forward to seeing how they do coming down the stretch.
All right, last game we'll get to here, Buck, and
we got to start with Shadour Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
They get a win over the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Raiders of our since fired Chip Kelly's rough coach, special
teams coaches are they got two years gone. The offensive
line played well on and gave up ten sacks. Neither
here nor there.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Any quarterback gets too.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Oh by the way, yeah, that was that Gino. After
a while too, you're watching it, he's like one to
two and then just duck. He didn't even like he
wasn't even trying to do.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
There was a play.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I forget who they gave the sack to, maybe Malite Collins,
and literally all four defensive linemen were buried on top
of Gino, like which one should we give it to?
I think they all got a quarter of sack.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, that was tough tough watch. But Shadure.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Just I'll go through my notes real quick, Buck, Then
I wanna get you to take on eleven for twenty
two to nine, a touchdown and pick started off. I like,
get him a quick screen, get him in a rhythm.
A little stick route did a nice job on Boots,
had some real beautiful deep ball over the top. The
thing that I wrote down that stood out to me
to the most is the way I described it was,
he did an excellent job of playing fast to slow.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
In other words, when we got to move, let's move quick.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
But then before we throw, let's let's gather ourselves with
some poise and then throw the ball. He didn't get
sped up, is what I'm getting at. He was able
to slow himself down, which really helped him with his
accuracy when he was having to move off the spot
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Yeah, DJ, I think the most impressive part, like everyone
to talk about those big boy throws like the deep
ball and the explosive nature of the offense, but I
was more impressed with his willingness to take the checkdown because,
as you know, if you take the checkdown enough, it
forces the defense to react.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Defense.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Yeah, I had a college coach to say, every completion
impacts the defense, no matter what they say, like, hey,
make him take the checkdown. When you start completing checkdowns,
it opens up the things at the next level. And
his patience early taking that was great. I think he
played the game the way that I thought that they
would build it for him. Put him on the move,
some quicks, some play actions, and get some shots. It
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wasn't perfect, but I will say this is an energy
that he brings to the team that is undeniable. And
I know that Kevin Stefanski has kind of downplayed everything
now that there is a conspiracy against him, but he's
trying to kind of take some of that. But I
think if you're looking at that team, you can feel
the energy of the team. When a certain quarterback is
in there's an energy there. And so it'll be interesting
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to see what the Browns decide to do if Dylan
Gable is cleared from concussion protocol. Do they go back
to Dylan Gable as the starter?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Should do it? Like, it's an interesting discussion that they're
gonna have to have internal.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Well, you know, just from that point Buck, you know
the throw to Isaiah Bond, you know, down to the
goal line. I mean, the whole bench, everybody jumped, Miles Garrett,
everybody jumped off the bench as soon as they saw.
I mean it's fifty five yards on the run, Miles
just chasing him, Kyrie Wilson is chasing him and he
let that thing fly. Dylan Gabriel can't make that throw, Like,
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it's just not going to do it the throw to.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Jerry Judy, Like, I don't know what Judy was doing.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I mean hop skipping a jump and holding the ball
like a loaf of bread.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
DJ and all my time to watching football high school level,
maybe in California they do those.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Kind of things.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Herd boy, he's not a California kid.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I I haven't seen that before.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
That was like not to But anyways, I'm with you, Buck.
There is a comptable uh support from this team for him,
maybe because of what he's gone through. Who knows, like,
but maybe it's just because he's likable. I don't know,
Like I'm not none of us are in the locker room,
so but you could feel it though it was. It
was permeating throughout the game when he was out there,
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and uh they were they were openly cheering for him
to do well. And if I'm Kevin Stefanski regardless of Gill, like,
I'm I got to see.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
What he can do. Yeah, I want to see more. Man,
there was encouraging signs. I mean, look, the Raiders think,
but he did some really good things things we haven't
seen there. And trust me as someone who's worked in
that organization. Even though it was a long time ago.
This is an organization that's not done a ton of
winning and having somebody with with the confidence and the
belief that that is important.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Man.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
You got to if you're going to turn that ship
around there with the way things have gone, you need
somebody who has that type of belief. We saw it
with Jim Harbordy went to Stanford. It was like he's
he must be crazy. He thinks he can you can't
win there. Like, yeah, I know he thinks he Kim,
you can't win there. You need somebody with that conference,
whether it's a coach, the quarterback. Yeah, he brings that book.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
He certainly does, man. And I mean you could just
feel the vibe and the energy.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
And let's be honest, like this is part of a
long term play when it comes to this team. I
think it was interesting though I know it cast some
of the buzz, but Deshaun Watson being on the sideline
talking to Shader kind of being around and being I
would say a bit of a mentor. I thought that
was interesting that they took him on the trip the
first time that he's traveled all year, and you see
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the interactions and you see how they were going through
the surface and looking at the clips. It's an interesting
observation because they have to make a decision on the
sean too, but for shr Duur and the other quarterbacks
to lean to someone who has had a level of
success in this league, even though it hasn't looked great
of late. I thought it was just interesting that Deshaun
Watson was dead engage. I think he kind of speaks
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to a little bit of the energy that we talked
about on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know, it's interesting because every rookie class, you always
feel like there's a bond naturally when you come in
together and you watch Judkins and Samson and Fannin and
Schwassinger and Graham out the door, like the whole draft
classes out there are all making plays. Ah, and so
it's kind of interesting to see, like you can just
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imagine the fraternity that they might feel as a group.
Guy We're going to be the guys that turn this
organization around because they all they all can play, they've
all earned the spot, and they show up every week
and now sit doors on the field, you feel like
this is this can complete that rookie class as they
try to finish this season as strong as they can.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, a little hope, a little optimism there for the Browns,
much needed.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Very cool to see.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
This has been fun, bald You always enjoy your time
on these Mondays. Man, We appreciate you, buddy. You see
you next week. You next week. There he goes Brian
Balding or Buck fun weekend of games. Looking forward to
getting into some more of this stuff here over the
next couple of days as we get a little closer
to Thanksgivings.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
You can't beat it, man, Thanksgiving football It's awesome now.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
It brings everything back into it, right man to culminate
it like with a Thanksgiving Day smort export of games.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
But at a time we talk about.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Gratitude and me and graces, and at a time we
work so hard sometimes you can get the small blessings
that everyone gets. I'm excited that this week ends up
being a reset moment for everybody to appreciate the things,
the positive things that they have going on in their
life and even some of the adversities that you face
and what comes out of facing those things. So I'm like,
I'm excited for the football week, but I'm more excited
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for all the things they go around this holiday no doubt.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I hope you guys have enjoyed this one.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
We'll see you next time right here on move sticks.
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody, welcome to move the Sticks on a Monday, DJ,
Bucky and Baldy with you. Baldy, first of all, Man,
that's a that's a that's a strong non part of
the jacket that you're working there.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Yeah, I saw this down outside the cafeteria on Friday.
I think I'm like, I got to have that jacket, man,
I gotta have it. I have been taking it off.
Speaker 3 (00:26):
That's fantastic. I feel I feel like you got that
out of the Jerry Mark break collection.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
This is a throwback. Man.
Speaker 5 (00:32):
I'm so glad that you elected to wear dead Letterman's
jacket instead of that Duke letters jacket.
Speaker 6 (00:39):
I thought that what heels on Saturday, Bucky, because I
was like, I was like, I was like, if Baldi
shows up with a duke jacket.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
After they run j they.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
Run a fake field goal, they run a fake field goal,
like like the field.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Goal would put them ahead. Yeah, they wanted to go
up to putting themselves in a position to win the game,
And I'm like, what are we doing? Why would you
do that?
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Like?
Speaker 5 (01:08):
Just hats all man, just just a sad day, sad
tough one, baldy.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
I I you know, I want to join the winning
side here. So the fact that you were a winner
this week, app State finally won a game, which was nice.
But hey, the Christian High Patriots, my son's high school team,
we're in the SAF championship game this week. We had
a big held on for a little twenty seventeen w
So we were at the Southwestern College.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Playing the Central High School out there out in the desert.
Tough kids. Tough kids are mountain desert. So yeah, good,
that's GREATO.
Speaker 4 (01:39):
Well yeah, fun fun?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Oh is this the first?
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Is this the first championship experience in the Jeremiah High
School Inters?
Speaker 1 (01:48):
So that this would be our It would be a
chance for our school to be our eleventh SF championship,
which I think is second most in San Diego County.
I was, you know, buck, I only played three years
of our football, so I only won three.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Because I didn't.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
Uh we ran out.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, that was it. That was why they capped it.
They capped it right there. And both my nephews, both
my nephews, I believe one one. So this could be
like like we have eleven and I think six of
them would have a Jeremiah.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Extra out there.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, that's very cool. Allre that so many of these games, Baldy,
you're at a good one. Let's start with where you
were because INDYKC, this was a KC team that man,
they were teetering on the brink, you know, looking at
them saying they're not going to be in the tournament.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
That's a rap. And then they had a furious comeback
over the Colts.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Yeah, it was. They couldn't score touchdown DJ for the
first three quarters. I mean, they had three field goals.
They couldn't get an explosive play. I mean, I got
a bit that for the first time, the Colts were
able to put out sauce you know, Travarious Ward and
you know Kenny Moore, and they played I mean, they
just put a lid over the top of the Chiefs.
Mames had some protection, he had some time. He just
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couldn't find anything down the field for the first three
quarters and then backed up on the goal line at
the end of the third quarter and he does a
classic Mahomes and Rashi Rice kind of breaks loose from
Kenny Moore and he hits him in stride for forty five,
and that kind of ignited things for the Chiefs offense
because they were asleep, and and the Colts defense played great.
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You know, Jermaine Pratt had twenty tackles, Zia Franklin pulled
the ball out of you know, Kareem Hunt's hands, got
a fumble, fumble recovery. They played great defense for three quarters.
But Mahomes just, He's just Mahomes man. He just keeps
he just keeps competing, he keeps firing, he keeps fighting away.
And they got off of life support because that's exactly
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where they were that I've been a we've all been
in an Arrowhead. We know how that place rocks, we know
how the decibel. That place was a morgue for the
first three quarters in that game, and they were looking
at going five and six and losing three in a row.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
And then that one play to Rashi Rice kind of
woke up the whole team.
Speaker 5 (03:56):
I thought, that's uh, but it's amazing. But it's also
the thing that the league fears, right. Everyone wants the
Chiefs to go away. It's funny because I'm looking at
it with Jacks people and you're like, oh man, yeah,
we want the Coast to go down. We don't want
the Chiefs to lose like the Coasts bring it. But
there's this fear of pat Mahomes and Kansas City, almost
(04:20):
like when we were teenagers or whatever, when it was
Nightmare on m Street, Right, Freddy Fruit can't kill them
like you want them out. So you're just scared that
if they get in, because they've done it so much, what.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
It wants he just knows. And so that's the fear
that everyone has.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
If they mess around and get into the tournament, they'll
find a way to be the last team standing again
because we've seen this, We've seen this story, We've seen
this movie.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
Over and over and over again, no doubt.
Speaker 1 (04:46):
And Palter, you mentioned a couple guys that I dug
in and watched from this. I was curious for she
rice eight for a buck forty one. So I'm looking
at how they using them. It's a couple of quick screens.
It's a fly sweep, it's some bubbles, it's a broken play,
it's run after catch, and then they hit him with
mesh one time and then down in the red zone
they fake mesh and he ends up wheeling back out
the back door. It was just a really cool design.
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But he's just kind of the he's the guy, get
the ball in his hands and let him run with it.
I mean, that's what the role that he's been playing.
But still wasn't you know, it wasn't a crisp game.
They ran a bazillion plays, Like the points to play
ratio is now like.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
I know, a hundred.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
It was like a big twelve college game back in
the day, you know, where you both sides would put
up one hundred plays. The thing though, that you know,
Indianapolis has to be kicking themselves, like they they went.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Away from feeding Jonathan Taylor in that game.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
They had four straight three and outs and they put
it in Daniel Jones's hand. He's played good, but I
just don't understand, like why they would go away and
trying to.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
Feed john State.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
It wasn't like they were doing anything special upfront, you know,
Chris Jones out there, but they were like they I
just never thought they tried to get him going.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
And I saw the same thing happen.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
When they lost to Pittsburgh a couple of weeks ago.
They went away from from Jonathan Taylor, and I just
I just for the life of me can't figure out
what Because I like Shames Stike and I think he's
a really good designer of offense. I just can't figure
out how they would go away from their best player
like that.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, I mean, he's the engine, and you get you
can't get that confused with the different weapons they have
and different ways they can beat it, He's still the
engine makes the whole thing go. But I thought, I
know they lost the ball game, but I didn't come
out of that thinking any less of Indianapolis. Like you said,
just put the ball on Jonathan Taylor's belly a little bit.
They probably win that game. That's a good football team.
So anyways, big win for the Chiefs. Let's get to uh,
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let's get to the Sunday and nighter. We can kind
of work backwards here, buck Tampa and the Rams. A
game that the Rams. You know, you Baker Mayfield got
knocked out of this game, but it was that game
was over before he got knocked out of that game.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Yeah, it was, man.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
And look I'm gonna say this man right now, in
looking at all the teams, the Rams are the best
team in football. Like they can get it done in
so many different ways. There's a saying where you say, hey,
we went gritty, we being pretty. The Rams can do
it either way you want. If you want to down
in dirty game, go on a physical game where it's
about the run game and defense, they can do that.
If you want them to throw it all over the
yard and show the creativity of Sean mcvay's offensive mind,
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they can do that. They just have so many different
paths to victory that they're very, very difficult to defend.
And then when it comes to their personnel, I can't
say that they have all A level defenders, but man,
you'd be hard pressed to find a team that plays
as hard as the Rams. Like their physicality, their toughness,
their overall energy you feel when you watch them. I've
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seen it in person at London, but then watching them
last night on TV, you can feel their presence. They're
just a really good team. And man, I know the
division and stuff with them Seattle and they go back
and forth, but I'm just hard pressed to find a
team that's playing better than them.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Right now, as we head down the stretch.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
I'm looking at them, Baldi and wondering how big you
think home field advantages? I mean, that game because if
you look at them and Philly on a collision course
and that game and the weather. I mean, I know,
obviously the Rams game all they could handle in the
playoffs last year, but to me, that's a that's a
massive home field advantage. They get to play that game
at so far against the Eagles, versus having to play
them on the road.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Well, the all Eagle fans out there, you know they're
going to invade. They always do, so it's going to
be an Eagle home game. I mean, look, I mean
I was. I denounced the Week four game with the
Rams and the Eagles, and Eagles block two field goals
in a fourth quarter to win the game, but I
mean the Rams were blowing.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
It was a boat race in that gate.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
It was twenty six to seven, and the Eagles were asleep,
and they had a good second half and made some plays.
You know, special teams, but they're just there's to say
they're complete as an under They don't have any bad games.
They don't they don't play batter, they don't go to sleep,
and Stafford's the MVP of this league. I'm just amazed
at how effective they use their tight ends. I mean,
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Kobe Parkinson catches, you know, another touchdown pass. They've got
eight of the thirty touchdowns that Stafford's throne has been
to the tight ends. And they played two and three
tight ends. It's becoming a tight end league. They've got
four of them that they dress County Terence Ferguson. But
they all have a separate role, and they're all really
good at what they do, and they can play without
their starting right tackle.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
And you don't even notice it.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
You know, you don't even notice Hanstein, who's a good
player on the sidelines in that game, and they just
look well, coach, they execute, They boat raced Tampa, you
know in that first half, and it was just a
question of now how many points do they want to
put up in that game.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah. A couple of things here.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
One, you're watching Stafford in the way he's playing the
MVP level, and think about how well he played in
Detroit when just you know, he had Megatron but the
rest of those rosters were not in great shape. Took
him to the playoffs coming off an zero and sixteen
you know, a year that they had there during his tenure.
But I'm sitting there going, man, what if Stafford had
been in a quality organization from start to finish. With
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the pieces around him, we could be talking about him
as the great gatest player of all time, Like he's
got that type of ability and the level at which
he's played since he got to the Rams was pretty ridiculous.
But the other thing I wanted to hit on buck
We were talking about this a little bit beforehand. Emmanuel Forbes,
he had five PBUs in this game, and I'm watching
him and I was talking Baldi. This morning, I went
back and read my notes on him coming out, and
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it was all the stuff that we liked about him
coming out. It was the length, it was the fluidity,
it was the burst, and the clothes. The guy ran
in the four threes. He's one hundred and sixty six pounds.
He missed tackles in college, but you're going to You're
gotta live with some of that because the guy can
cover so dang well. Washington, I think grew so frustrated
with the tackling and the lack of physicality there that
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they punted on him, kind of gave up on him.
And now you look up and my comp was samari
Roll coming out. I remember like Fred Smoot was another
name that he kind of reminded me of with some
leaner guys who just know how to cover and play
the ball, and the Rams man that was a smart
move on their part scoop him up.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Did you remember going back and thinking about that draft?
Speaker 5 (10:57):
He was my favorite dB in the class because in
looking at him, his footwork, his technique, his turns and transitions,
his ability to make plays on the ball, to me
stood out above others, Like there's some guys who have
the gifts.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
When it comes to being able to cover and do
those things.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
I felt like he had that, And even though the
tackling and the lack of physicality was an issue, I
just thought in a pass happy league he would find
a place to be a starting, high end cornerback in
the right system.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
For whatever reason, it didn't.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
Work out from Washington, and it was kind of apparent
early that it just didn't job his game and then
it just didn't work.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
But for the Rams it works and I can't tell
you why exactly.
Speaker 5 (11:38):
Like sometimes I'll say this environment culture can bring out
more of the desired traits that you want to see
from a player, but it works from him and having
a conversation with the Ram staffer.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
After a game.
Speaker 5 (11:50):
We talked about the manuforms and how he settled in
and the confidence coming back, and what you're seeing is
a first.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Round talent playing to his strengths as a player.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Well, I think that you know, coming out of Missipis State,
he had ball skills, obviously, I think Jet I think
he had thirteen interceptions with the Bulldogs down there. But
just watching him, he just sits on these routes like
he's a good route reader. He sits on top of
these routes and then he makes his That's how you
get five PBUs in a game. You're not guessing. You're
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just sitting on these things and you're just waiting. You're
waiting on you know, whether it's tedz Johnson or guy
want somebody just to you know, to come back to
the ball. And then once that happens, like his his
initial his foot speed is elite when he can do that,
and you know you're talking about the physicality and the
tapu is. I just remember something that Rex Ryan always
said when he was coaching with the Jets. He goes,
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I want my corners to cover. I got nine other
guys are supposed to make them happot me let this.
This guy stop the ball from going over my head.
I got reebs out here. I mean, I've got my guys.
I'll let the other guys make the tack.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
The other thing about him is that he's so lean
and he's so long that he's able to get through
a receiver without contacting him. So he'll be on their
back and a lot of times receivers can box a
guy out and go get to the ball. Well, his
hands reached. He's got so much reach and he can
get through you without contacting you. That's how he collected
some of those PBUs. Another one where even when he's
a little bit beat man, you got to be able
to recover.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
He can.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
He can close and recover a big time, big time
burst in speed. So he's been a good find there
for the Rams. And I'm with you, guys, I think
they are. They're playing like the best team of football
right now. Baldy Detroit and the Giants a game that
I didn't have on my bingo cards, being you know,
one of the more entertaining close games made its way
into overtime. The Giants had a great shot to steal
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this one, uh, but Jamiir Gibbson company.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
We were to pull it out.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Well for probably you know this the fifth or sixth
time this year the Giants surrender the lead again. Jane
Bowen is out, you know fire today. Uh, they can't
close the game out. They did everything you could do offensively.
One deal is a really good player, and James found him.
They had some some creativity. Mike kaff gets some creative
in the offense to create some offense. They had Detroit
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on the ropes. They just could not finish it out.
And it's been their story all season long. And credit
Detroit for making a comeback, but honestly, like the Giants
should have been able to finish that game. I thought
Kafka coached a good game. I thought Jamis played really well.
You know, he made the place necessary to get twenty
seven points on the board. You think that you're in
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good shape up twenty seven to seventeen, but you just
go through like Denver and you know all these Get
Dallas and all these games where they're just surrendering these leads,
just playing these soft coverages just frustrating for any Giant fan.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
Yeah, that's me frustrating because when you think about the
way the Giants are constructed from a personnel standpoint. They're
constructed to close out games, given their pass rush and
given what you want to do. And I understand Shane
Bowing prefers soft coverage and zone coverage in those things,
and there's a way to accomplish that not litting the
ball flower your head while being a little more sticky.
But the Giants have lost too many of these games
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where it's in hand you have your best unit, because
I think we would say that their defense is supposed
to be their best unit when you look at their
personnel and they haven't been able to get it done.
It has to be frustrating for the Giants and the
Giants fan base that she used to seeing dominant defenses,
Like that's what the Giants have been built on, going
all the way back through time, That's what they're built on.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
It's just frustrating. It's frustrating to watch.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
And if I was a Giants fan, man, I would
be up to my ears in frustration. Just knowing that
this team should be much better than their record indicates.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yeah, a couple of good things on the on the
Giant side of things. Darius Alexander, the rookie two sacks,
little bull rip and then just kind of a firm
pocket push out of him. Going back through my notes,
six oho three sevens, just under six four to three
hundred and five pounds, ran four nine to five. A
little bit older guy at twenty five years old, but
thirty four inch arms, big time power. I thought he
could bend and move and will shake bowl. Play with
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right doing really good. Seeing that bull can snatch blocks
like he's talented. I think really kind of the age
was the knock on him. But a good player, and
see him get a couple of sacks. Good for him.
Abdul Carter, it's shocking he didn't have the sack production.
But you watch him in this game, and he had
three quarterback hits, four tackles. I thought he was playing fast.
He can still, you know, he can still got a
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great takeoff. He's got a great takeoff. So the stats
are gonna come. I wouldn't freak out about, you know,
the lack of sack production there. That's gonna come eventually.
Let's take a quick pause and then we'll jump into
some more of these games.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
All right, body, let's let's jump in on the Baldi Bowl.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Philly Dallas here, Philly had him, had him dead to
rights and could not put him away.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Great Dallas man, I thought, starting at the end of
the second quarter, when they took a drive down to
cut it to twenty one seven, I thought the offense
line really began to assert itself all of a sudden,
runs that were a yard or two yards for the
first quarter and a half of that game became five
and six yards. I thought Javonte ran it really really good,
but I thought they protected Dak really well, and you know,
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they just hung in there. And then the defense, honestly,
for Dallas, I give them credit. They had trouble with
Davonte and with aj to start that game, and Jalen
was really really, really sharp, and then you know they
cannot run the ball when they have to run the
ball all year. I mean, I don't think Saquon, I
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don't think anybody has fewer has more runs of two
yards or less than Saquon.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Like, he can't get a run.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
And it's some of it is him, some of it
is there's just not a burst there that used to
be there. Some of it is his instincts to where
the hole is going to be. And then a lot
of it is just upfront. I don't know what they're
doing on some of these runs upfront with Jurgons and
some of the guards and how they're blocking these things.
But that newly built defensive line of Dallas, they showed up.
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They showed up quite a bit in that second half.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
You know, it's funny, right, So it's the Cowboys the
long road to get to this point where they have
a better defense in terms of like a more balance defense.
When you have Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark and you
got Si, I can always mess up over Digga Zua
being there. So they're really good there and they've kind
of bought into and kind of found their way and
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met Eberflus's scheme.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
So they're playing better.
Speaker 5 (18:15):
And then offensively, they have a team that they can score.
And whenever you can score, it's easier to build a
defense that can play with that kind of firepower and
play complimentary ball and that bang. The thing that's tricky
about this game is they were behind. I mean, they
were getting they were getting whooked, and they find a
way to hold the rope. So give brianshot not my credit.
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We talked about it last time on the last podcast,
we talked about the job that he's doing and just
how amazing he's done in his first year, just holding
everything together in a place that is very difficult to
win in as a coach.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Like give them credit, Like they're five to five and one.
Speaker 5 (18:50):
I don't know where it ends up for him, but
they have a lot of respect in terms of just
how they're competing each and every week.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
There's certain things that they can build on going forward.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
In the brianshot, there was a stretch in his game
where Dak just literally took the game over.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
There.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
They're down twenty one to seven, They're down on the
five yard line, and Dak rolls to his right. He
fines Brevin Ford span like in the back of the
end zone. I mean it like it's the last second.
He's being chased, he's going out of bounds, and he
just floats it over the head of the underneath defender.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
Touchdown, they get a stop. They come back.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
He hits Pickings on a forty eight yard shot where
he just turns Cooper Degene all the way around, and
then two plays later, Dak took it in and scrambled
and did a flip into the end zone. To tie
the game up, and literally within four and a half
minutes they went from down twenty one to seven to
tie to twenty one, and they got rubbed themselves right
back in the game early in that fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I'm glad you guys got me to Dak because that's
what I wanted to get to. Look where he is
projected wise now, he just take his numbers right now
and project him out over the rest of the season.
He's on pace for forty five and forty five yards,
thirty six touchdowns, eleven picks. He's completing sixty nine points
three percent of his passes. When you know, I feel
like people got to be reminded a little bit because
and maybe it's cowboy fatigue that people are sick of
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talking about him and all that kind of stuff, but
he has held this team together and kept them in
this thing where they're still alive here in the NFC,
and he's playing outside of stafford at Emi Harpress. Tell
me who's playing better than Dak When he's locked in
and when he's on making every throw under center and
the gun, you're moving him your touch, throws up and down, throws,
vertical shots like I mean, he had one ball.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
He's just the red zone pick.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Where he got locked in after they had a dumb
penalty at the one yard line and he forces the
ball and ends up getting picked. But overall, I thought
he saw the field really, really well. And the other
thing I would say buck is going through it and
watching all of his stuff and studying him. Was this
offensive line against a very very talented front across the
board for Philly held up quite well.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
Yeah, the offensive line for Dallas is terrific. And look
at there's certain things that always hold true when it
comes to the Cowboys. With Cowboys are great. They have
a dominant offensive line. They can get it punishing you
running the ball. They haven't necessarily done that consistently this year,
but man, they always have a wall of big bodies
up front to protect the quarterback. Dak Prescott has been terrific.
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And I would say this because we talked about this
before we clicked on the pod. George Pickens is what
we thought that he could be at his best when
he was coming out of school. He is terrific playing
on the opposite side of Ceedee Lamb. The Cowboys have
always been at their best when they have two legitimate
weapons on the outside, Michael Irvin and Alvin Harper.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
However you want to do it, they do it.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
And because you cannot singlely double team CD LAMB without
getting punished, it bounces out the defense and it opens
up the field for Dak Prescott. Look, I look at
the end, they're gonna have to make a decision on
what they do with George Pickens. But if I'm the Cowboys,
you better find a way to pay him so you
can keep him in CD in the fall, because this
offense is explosive.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
You know, just to touch on you, we're talking about
DJ about the offensive line. You think about what the
Eagles did to the Packers and the Lions back to
back weeks. I mean, they just dominated both lines, whether
it was home or away, and they didn't do that
against this Dallas front.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
You know.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
I mean Tyler Booker, you know he in the second half,
he had a good game against Jalen Carter. But the
whole group, I mean, all those guys that affected the
game last week against Detroit that Jared Goff was still
talking about a week later about how physical they were
and how good they were, uh, and all the guys
up front recognizing the Eagles. They did not do that
to Dallas in this game. And so credit Booker and
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you know, Tyler Smith and guy in the whole group,
man Cooper b b played really well in there. That
was that was a really well done job up front.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Yeah, just to wrap up both of you guys there.
To me, if you're getting ready and you're putting an
advanced scouting report for the Cowboys, to me, George Pickens
is the one who's getting the attention.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
He's been. He's just been better than Seedee Lamb.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
If you're going to try and double somebody or take
somebody away, I think I'm leaning in that direction, which
is crazy that you would have said that coming into
this season, But that's who's who's doing the damage. So
that's the first side of it. And then on the
other side of it, this felt like I picked the
Eagles to lose this game just because it kind of
felt like they've been look at their schedule like they've
been in some wars against the best teams in football,
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and they come out on the right side of the
vast majority of those games.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
I thought they would be a little bit tired, a
little fatigue. Cowboys.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
You know, a little emotional, you know, after the death
of their teammate, coming back home all those things. So
not not totally surprised that the Dallas was able to
get a win.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
There.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Last point on this game bald the AJ Brown eight
for a Buck ten and a touchdown. So that's a
good sign for the Eagles. And I was curious to
watch it, like, okay, you know how what they have
to do to get him going? What turns out you
can just throw hitches to him against soft coverage and
make people tackle your oid guy. I was talking at
the top about high school football, you know, watching you know,
high school playoffs and all that kind of stuff, and
(23:47):
I always tell people the goal of high school football
should be to make the other team tackle your best
player as many times as possible.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
Yeah, Buck, he's done that because he's put his he'll
put his athlete.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
At quarterback and to say we're going to run it
and make him tackle, make him tackle our best.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Guy, Like this is not hard with a J. Brown.
You don't have to throw them ball fifty yards down
the field. Just get the ball in his hands and
make people have to tackle that big monster.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
No, you know, DJ like it goes back when I
was in Green Bay, Mike Hogan was a head coach
and he had come from San Francisco, and on his
play sheet there used to be this little little column
right and whoever the best wide receiver was, it was
a get the ball to that number. So if I
am with the field ala Eagles, there's a get the
ball to number eleven, get the ball to number six,
And they're like five or six plays that are not
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complex plays.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
He's the primary read, he's the isolation route.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
It's a hitch, a slant out, something designed to keep
him engaged. And during my time in Green Bay, Gill
Hasker was a wide receiver coach and his job was
to tap Coach Runkman on the show to every two series, Ay,
such and such hasn't had the ball in a couple series.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Let's remember, Let's remember to keep him engaged.
Speaker 5 (24:52):
Because as a play call is sometimes you're so bogged
down with all the x's and o's and I want
to get to this that you forget it's about players,
not plays. And I think for the Eagles it's really
as simple to that because that a curb a lot
of this this grunt up stuff that we're getting into
the locker room. Just keep them involved in the game
while running what you want to run.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
On offense, the.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
Eagles really hurt themselves. They had fourteen penalties. They were
constantly backing up and after big plays. I mean, you know,
a twenty yard play to Goddard, you know, comes back
because you know they got they got.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
An illegal shift.
Speaker 2 (25:24):
I mean just the horrible penalties that were called and
they got to you know, and so all of a sudden,
instead of first and ten, you know, you're second to twenty.
And they had a hard time coming out of a
lot of those a lot of those predicaments.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Again, it just felt like this was kind of they
were due to kind of have somewhat of an egg
and they jump on them twenty one nothing. I'm like, well,
I guess I read this wrong. They're gonna blow the
Cowboys out of the building. But then they just kind
of sputtered and the Cowboys get a big win. Man,
how about that Thursday game. By the way, Holy Moly,
Chiefs Cowboys. I don't see that is the baldy we ever.
(25:58):
Did you guys ever use the frame loser Leaf Town
Match or is that just for wrestling, but it feels
it feels like it's apropos.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
For this one.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I want I like, the Chiefs just had one hundred plays.
I got to see, like, you know what kind of
fatigue they're going to have going down to Dallas. I
played in that you know, Thanksgiving Day game a long
long time back, before you know, there was Thursday Night football.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Like we we live.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
To learn how to get ourselves ready to play two
games in four days.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
We knew we had a little mini buy afterwards.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
We could rest up, but our whole, our whole preparations,
we're getting ready for two games in four days. That's
what Dallas in Kannessy has got to do on short
weeks here after tough games. So we'll see, like who's
still standing there in the fourth quarter this one on Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Speaking of that, NFL continues to honor and commemorate the
late John Madden with the fourth annual John Madden Thanksgiving
Celebration on Thursday, November twenty seventh. Special NFL producer Madden
Hallmark will kick off each broadcast conveying what Thanksgiving meant
to him in his own words, So cool, how they've
branded these games around John Madden his wagasy there great,
give me very cool buck, Chicago Bears white hot, didn't
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matter if Pittsburgh came in. No Aaron Rodgers. They just
find a way. Chicago, no one thing. It's not going
to be comfortable. They're not going to win by two touchdowns.
That's not the way they play. But they are becoming
quite adept at winning close ball games as they did
again they.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Are man because they have physicality and pezazz like Ben
Johnson has been able to meld those things together where
they are physical team to kind of getting back to
their roots of what the franchise has been about while
building around a quarterback who has a flair for the dramatic,
and Ben Johnson has been able to rein it in. Defensively,
they get turnovers, they're playing good ball, and I feel
like this was the game that they were pointing to
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to validate who they are. They needed to have that
win against a physical football team that people would respect
to then get the respect that they want. And now
that you're looking at him, you're looking at Detroit kind
of having ebbs and flows offensly because Dan Campbell's having
to take it over. Their defense is kind of scatter
shot the Green Bay Pack is you haven't realized their potential.
The Bears have to feel good about their plot and
(28:04):
where they are. They got to go and do it
on the field. But they are well positioned to not
only make the postseason, but to maybe swipe this division
at a time where I don't know if you really
combine into the hype before the season. Man, they're playing
good ball and Ben Johnson has certainly proven anyone who
thought that it would take him a while to turn
this around.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
He's certainly proven all those guys wrong.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Can I give you, guys just one example, by the way,
why it's you know, there's a lot of things I
like better the way we grew up in our generations
versus this new generation. But when you get a text
on the family group chat that says, can someone bring
me some toilet paper? We didn't have that when we
were growing up. Man, it was you got no toilet paper.
That's a tough walk. That's a tough walk.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Yeah, exactly. I won't get into one other options.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
We had, but it was not a family group chat.
I can tell you that much. Somebody else is taking
care of it.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
But I'm off the hook. Hey, Baldy. How about my
app state linebacker in this ball, Mark Jackson.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
First NFL start, Dennis I guess he came with Dennis
Allen from New Orleans. Yeah, it was with the Saints
for two years. Never started a game in his life.
They're down, Tremaine Edmunds are down, t J. Edwards are down.
Noah sul Hippolyte got hurt in that game. So they're
playing Amen.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
A modern mag Beniga he was with, Yeah, I know.
Speaker 5 (29:20):
It was.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
On the air all the time.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, yeah, I mean I knew he played at Oklahoma State,
been around the league.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Done a great kid, by the way, Yeah, great, great kid.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
But they those I mean DeMarco had fifteen tackles. Fifteen tackles,
and you know he shows up like there was a
huge play in the game. It's third and two and
they're throwing it to game well out there in the flat,
they got a lead blocker. He defeats the block and
he tackled for a one yard loss and the whole
defense jumped on top of them. You know, Chauncey Gardner,
(29:49):
Johnson's there, They're all like, you know, that was a
big play that had to pump the ball at that spot.
There's a there was a series in this game that's interesting.
The Bears with nineteen seconds ago in the first half,
they go for it and they make two plays and
they kick a field goal to cut the lead of
twenty one seventeen. They come out in the third quarter
(30:10):
and Caleb ball doesn't hit the ground. Five straight completions
and a touchdown on a broken, broken coverage by the
Steelers to Dj Moore, like, literally, the ball didn't hit
the ground on a sixty yard drive and I mean
Caleb just ripped one after another.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
But the play calling, you know, when they.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
Call the slow screen and all four Steelers are on
top of Caleb and he floats it over their head
and he's got the convoy out front. I mean, it
was just they overcame a first and twenty on a
stupid play by Dj Moore where it's just taunting.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
It was really impressive to watch that third quarter drive.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, big time, big time win for the Chicago Bears.
So they are, they're rolling schedule. It's a little tougher
coming down the home stretch here, so they'll be challenged.
Looking forward to seeing how they do coming down the stretch.
All right, last game we'll get to here, Buck, and
we got to start with Shadour Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
They get a win over the Raiders.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Raiders of our since fired Chip Kelly's rough coach, special
teams coaches are they got two years gone. The offensive
line played well on and gave up ten sacks. Neither
here nor there.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Any quarterback gets too.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Oh by the way, yeah, that was that Gino. After
a while too, you're watching it, he's like one to
two and then just duck. He didn't even like he
wasn't even trying to do.
Speaker 3 (31:29):
There was a play.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
I forget who they gave the sack to, maybe Malite Collins,
and literally all four defensive linemen were buried on top
of Gino, like which one should we give it to?
I think they all got a quarter of sack.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Yeah, that was tough tough watch. But Shadure.
Speaker 1 (31:44):
Just I'll go through my notes real quick, Buck, Then
I wanna get you to take on eleven for twenty
two to nine, a touchdown and pick started off. I like,
get him a quick screen, get him in a rhythm.
A little stick route did a nice job on Boots,
had some real beautiful deep ball over the top. The
thing that I wrote down that stood out to me
to the most is the way I described it was,
he did an excellent job of playing fast to slow.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
In other words, when we got to move, let's move quick.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
But then before we throw, let's let's gather ourselves with
some poise and then throw the ball. He didn't get
sped up, is what I'm getting at. He was able
to slow himself down, which really helped him with his
accuracy when he was having to move off the spot
a little bit.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
Yeah, DJ, I think the most impressive part, like everyone
to talk about those big boy throws like the deep
ball and the explosive nature of the offense, but I
was more impressed with his willingness to take the checkdown because,
as you know, if you take the checkdown enough, it
forces the defense to react.
Speaker 3 (32:35):
Defense.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Yeah, I had a college coach to say, every completion
impacts the defense, no matter what they say, like, hey,
make him take the checkdown. When you start completing checkdowns,
it opens up the things at the next level. And
his patience early taking that was great. I think he
played the game the way that I thought that they
would build it for him. Put him on the move,
some quicks, some play actions, and get some shots. It
(32:57):
wasn't perfect, but I will say this is an energy
that he brings to the team that is undeniable. And
I know that Kevin Stefanski has kind of downplayed everything
now that there is a conspiracy against him, but he's
trying to kind of take some of that. But I
think if you're looking at that team, you can feel
the energy of the team. When a certain quarterback is
in there's an energy there. And so it'll be interesting
(33:19):
to see what the Browns decide to do if Dylan
Gable is cleared from concussion protocol. Do they go back
to Dylan Gable as the starter?
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Should do it? Like, it's an interesting discussion that they're
gonna have to have internal.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Well, you know, just from that point Buck, you know
the throw to Isaiah Bond, you know, down to the
goal line. I mean, the whole bench, everybody jumped, Miles Garrett,
everybody jumped off the bench as soon as they saw.
I mean it's fifty five yards on the run, Miles
just chasing him, Kyrie Wilson is chasing him and he
let that thing fly. Dylan Gabriel can't make that throw, Like,
(33:51):
it's just not going to do it the throw to.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
Jerry Judy, Like, I don't know what Judy was doing.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
I mean hop skipping a jump and holding the ball
like a loaf of bread.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
DJ and all my time to watching football high school level,
maybe in California they do those.
Speaker 4 (34:05):
Kind of things.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Herd boy, he's not a California kid.
Speaker 4 (34:10):
I I haven't seen that before.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
That was like not to But anyways, I'm with you, Buck.
There is a comptable uh support from this team for him,
maybe because of what he's gone through. Who knows, like,
but maybe it's just because he's likable. I don't know,
Like I'm not none of us are in the locker room,
so but you could feel it though it was. It
was permeating throughout the game when he was out there,
(34:33):
and uh they were they were openly cheering for him
to do well. And if I'm Kevin Stefanski regardless of Gill, like,
I'm I got to see.
Speaker 1 (34:42):
What he can do. Yeah, I want to see more. Man,
there was encouraging signs. I mean, look, the Raiders think,
but he did some really good things things we haven't
seen there. And trust me as someone who's worked in
that organization. Even though it was a long time ago.
This is an organization that's not done a ton of
winning and having somebody with with the confidence and the
belief that that is important.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Man.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
You got to if you're going to turn that ship
around there with the way things have gone, you need
somebody who has that type of belief. We saw it
with Jim Harbordy went to Stanford. It was like he's
he must be crazy. He thinks he can you can't
win there. Like, yeah, I know he thinks he Kim,
you can't win there. You need somebody with that conference,
whether it's a coach, the quarterback. Yeah, he brings that book.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
He certainly does, man. And I mean you could just
feel the vibe and the energy.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
And let's be honest, like this is part of a
long term play when it comes to this team. I
think it was interesting though I know it cast some
of the buzz, but Deshaun Watson being on the sideline
talking to Shader kind of being around and being I
would say a bit of a mentor. I thought that
was interesting that they took him on the trip the
first time that he's traveled all year, and you see
(35:48):
the interactions and you see how they were going through
the surface and looking at the clips. It's an interesting
observation because they have to make a decision on the
sean too, but for shr Duur and the other quarterbacks
to lean to someone who has had a level of
success in this league, even though it hasn't looked great
of late. I thought it was just interesting that Deshaun
Watson was dead engage. I think he kind of speaks
(36:08):
to a little bit of the energy that we talked
about on the sideline.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know, it's interesting because every rookie class, you always
feel like there's a bond naturally when you come in
together and you watch Judkins and Samson and Fannin and
Schwassinger and Graham out the door, like the whole draft
classes out there are all making plays. Ah, and so
it's kind of interesting to see, like you can just
(36:33):
imagine the fraternity that they might feel as a group.
Guy We're going to be the guys that turn this
organization around because they all they all can play, they've
all earned the spot, and they show up every week
and now sit doors on the field, you feel like
this is this can complete that rookie class as they
try to finish this season as strong as they can.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
Yeah, a little hope, a little optimism there for the Browns,
much needed.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Very cool to see.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
This has been fun, bald You always enjoy your time
on these Mondays. Man, We appreciate you, buddy. You see
you next week. You next week. There he goes Brian
Balding or Buck fun weekend of games. Looking forward to
getting into some more of this stuff here over the
next couple of days as we get a little closer
to Thanksgivings.
Speaker 3 (37:17):
You can't beat it, man, Thanksgiving football It's awesome now.
Speaker 5 (37:20):
It brings everything back into it, right man to culminate
it like with a Thanksgiving Day smort export of games.
Speaker 3 (37:25):
But at a time we talk about.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
Gratitude and me and graces, and at a time we
work so hard sometimes you can get the small blessings
that everyone gets. I'm excited that this week ends up
being a reset moment for everybody to appreciate the things,
the positive things that they have going on in their
life and even some of the adversities that you face
and what comes out of facing those things. So I'm like,
I'm excited for the football week, but I'm more excited
(37:48):
for all the things they go around this holiday no doubt.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I hope you guys have enjoyed this one.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
We'll see you next time right here on move sticks.
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