Breaking Down the Big Week 13 Games

Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, and Brian Baldinger break down the biggest games from Week 13, starting with the Broncos holding off the Commanders to take over the overall 1 seed in the AFC (1:15). They then dive into Jaguars - Titans (5:48), Texans - Colts (9:28), Raiders - Chargers (14:00), Falcons - Jets (19:45), Rams - Panthers (23:46) and Bills - Steelers (29:58). They wrap up the show with their biggest takeaways from the Thanksgiving and Black Friday slate of games (35:33). 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks.

Speaker 3 (00:09):
DJ Buck and our guy Baldy joined us here on
a Monday. Baldy, were we are in December? How fast
did that just go by?

Speaker 4 (00:16):
It's a blank? I mean we always say it every year,
it goes by faster and faster.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
But we're, you know, week thirteens in the books practically,
and December first, the stretch run has begun, like it
feels like it just started, and here we are in
the stretch run.

Speaker 3 (00:30):
Were ever on teams where you felt like you guys
had a gear you could tap into when you get
to this point this season, like there was another gear.
I think some of these veteran teams and all of
a sudden, it looks like they're kind of flipping the
switch a little bit.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
Yeah, no, I did. I played on team in Philly
that was like that. Like we had a good playoff
run in ninety two, but we were led by a
great defense. But I felt like we got to the
point we could run the ball against anybody. We won
the division that year. Cowboys, you know, knocked us out
in the playoffs, but I felt like we were ready

(01:00):
for playoff football. He was just you know, we just
ran into a better team than the playoffs. But we
took care to Saints in the playoffs, like I felt
like we were. We could have made a good deep
run if it wasn't for the Cowboys.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Being so good.

Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, it was a dominant Cowboy team. Well, let's let's
jump into some of these games. Let's start with a
Sunday nighter. Uh, speaking of a team that couldn't make
a deep playoff run, Denver Man Washington, you know, not
not healthy, no Jayden Daniels, But Marcus Mariota and company
came in there and gave them a heck of a
ball game last night.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
They did.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
They did, and uh, you know, they had a chance,
they had a chance you know wags, you know, with
an interception, and Marcus made plays with you know, just
you know, like I think we always thought he could.
He hasn't done it for long stretches, but I mean
extending plays. Yeah, getting a ball to McLaren. Looking at
McLaren healthy and what a difference he makes. That was
a great match up him and Patrickstan both of them

(01:49):
out there healthy for the first time in a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
That was a good matchup.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
But I mean, you look, he you know, I don't
blame dan quinn for going for two at the end,
right there, Go for two, go for the win. Uh
you know, you see you're sitting there, you know, at
at the bottom of the NFC right now, go for
the win, knock off a team that's the hottest team
in the league. And you know, they just didn't. I mean,
it was a good play call. It was wide open. Yeah,
good play call. I mean he's bring the will linebacker

(02:13):
and Menito comes free and you know you got you
got mcnickels out there in the flat. It's probably gonna
be a two point conversion if you get the ball
over Benito's head. So it came down to the final play.
I mean, they played as hard as they could. I
thought in that game it was two teams that played
played the game the right.

Speaker 4 (02:28):
Way, played really hard.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, I mean the the conversions that they had late
in that ball game, I mean pressure pressure conversions.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, third and twenty five or second and twenty five,
and yeah, you know, they responded, they.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
Found a way and then you know, to me, Mario
to one of the things about him underrage. Just you
forget how strong he is man like cause he you
think of him in Oregon, you thought he's kind of
a narrow, linear guy.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
But man, his.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Ability to get that ball off when he's got two
guys draped over and ended up getting a pass interference
penalty extends the game. I mean really kind of kept
the game alive for him. I thought he played great.
We were talking on the phone this morning, Baldy about Matt.
I look at a guy like Mariota if you wanted
to script a perfect backup quarterback, like the different criteria.
First of all, let's start with you got to be
a great teammate because you're going to have to support

(03:14):
your starter. He's by all counts and unbelievable, I know,
at any of that stuff, unbelievable guy. And then can
he give us can you know, if you have to
play for two, three, four weeks, can he get us
through a month of the season, maybe give us a
five hundred you know type type month there. And he's
more than capable of doing that. He was making plays
on schedule, made some plays off schedule. I mean, I
think if you if you extend this thing out over

(03:34):
the full season with Mariota, maybe it starts the works
start to show a little bit. But to me, he's
like the perfect backup. And I was thinking about how
ironic it was. You remember he came into the league,
Mariota versus Jameis Winston. That was the things like these
guys competed on like the PGA Tour and now they're
like in the Senior Tour. Now they're like the two
backup guys, and they're both in their own ways. I

(03:55):
think they're both like ideal type backup quarterbacks.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
And I think, you know, with Cliff's system in Washington,
you know, I mean just being a threat, a run threat,
you know, spreading you out, do the things that he
he asked his quarterbacks to do, Jayden to do, like
he could do a lot of those things, extending the plays.
But I thought he was really accurate too with the ball,
and I thought that was always one of his issues.
But I thought he made a lot of big time
throws to Zach Ertz. I mean they dropped some palls

(04:21):
too that I think that really helps them, you know,
I mean that that could have really swung that game.
But you know, that's a hot team that's a good defense.
That's a great defense. And to be able to move
the ball like that and come back and to you know,
make that an overtime game like that. That was you
know that It just shows you, like, you know, I mean,
despite the record and all that kind of stuff, those
kids played hard man.

Speaker 3 (04:42):
Yeah, dan Quinn, he's got a good culture there the
other side of the ball. Looking at the Broncos, I
had heard in the summer and in the offseason after
they signed this dude that like, hey, Evan Ingram is
such a perfect fit for Sean Payton.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
He knows how to use this guy.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
This is going to be, you know, this is going
to be someone who just matches up perfectly with what
they want to do. And I'm kind of sitting here
waiting and waiting, and then I watched this tape and
I'm like, oh, hey, yeah, this is what it's supposed
to be. It's body. He's winning on a little check downs.
He can just get north and south and just burst
pivot routes, and then in overtime he hits a little
jerk out on Bobby Wagner, and Bobby like twenty four
year Oldobby Wagner has a shot on that one, not

(05:19):
this version of Bobby Wagner. That's impossible cover with a
guy that dynamic and explosive. And it's like, yeah, this
is what I'd been expecting. This was kind of the
guy I thought we would see there.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
We hadn't seen much of it, and you know, until
they needed the most, you know, on the road like that.
And so it's good to see, you know, Evan because
you know, you know, he's caught a hundred balls in
his leep. You know, he is a guy that can
match up against linebackers and safeties and winning those matchups,
and he's actually wants the balls in his hands do
have to catch.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
No doubt whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Let's let's change games here, Buck, Let's go to the
game that you were at.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
Buck.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
We don't want to get this one in here, just
because I didn't think this was one that we would
talk about initially. But Jags, you look up, Buck, Your
Jags are in the driver's seat now, all of a
sudden in the AFC south of twenty five to three
throttling of the Tennessee Titans.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, no, it was really good.

Speaker 5 (06:06):
To see them play the way that they play, very
consistent from beginning to end. And you guys have all
been around good teams and you see the maturation where
good teams take care of business against teams they're supposed
to be. And one thing that Liam Cohen has been
trying to convey to the team is don't apologize for winning.
Just find different ways to win the game against those teams.
But I think what you want to focus on is

(06:28):
look at Trevor Lawrence, and look at Trevors Lawrence from
this point going forward. A couple of weeks ago, Liam
Cohen told him, hey, man, let it rip. Quit worrying
about making mistakes and turnovers and those things.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
Don't be reckless, but be fearless when it comes to it.

Speaker 5 (06:43):
And DJ Balden, you know when you play against zone
teams and you have to throw the ball into windows
and anticipate, like there's a fearlessness that you have to
let it go and trust that your guys going to
get there. I'm gonna say this, I think this was
the best that I saw Trevor Lawrence in terms of
throwing with anticipation and.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Timing rip over the middle of the field.

Speaker 5 (07:01):
And if they're able to get this version of Trevor
going forward, they're gonna be their offense that they want
to be in need to be in the postseason.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Well, a couple of things, Buck, I mean, Jacoby Myers
has made a difference here, like he fits, and then
getting Brendon Strange back at tight end. He was out
for I don't know how many weeks he missed, Buck,
but you know, he's a guy that they really know
how to feature him in all phases of the game.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
They're a big tight end team.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
And so getting those two guys in this lineup right now,
I think I think that's helped Trevor.

Speaker 4 (07:31):
Both those guys they think have helped them.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:33):
I was talking to Baldy this morning, Buck about Jacoby Myers,
and I'm sitting here going watching this tape, going, Kley,
this is like, this is James Glass. I'm going and
getting a RAMS receiver.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
This is the letter exen. This is their style of guy.

Speaker 3 (07:46):
I'm watching it deep ends, working in the middle of
the field, tunnel screens, like everything funneling towards the middle
of the field, grounded through the catch, catch everything, reliable, dependable, smart,
like like this is the RAMS type receiver. So they
went and found guy, and I was thinking about you
know like, this is not the end to me for
Brian Thomas Junior, but it might just not be a
great fit there. If you take Brian Thomas Junior, I

(08:08):
was telling Ball, you trade him to the Kansas City Chiefs,
He'll be in the Pro Bowl next year because they
feed speed and explosion. Whereas this this style that they've
had in Tampa with Liam Cohen as well as you
know what the Rams had, that's a more physical, that's
a more middle of the field, that's working in the mud,
so to speak, type guys. And I think, to me,
that's to Baldy's point, like Myers, just he fits and

(08:30):
he helps Trevor.

Speaker 5 (08:31):
But here's what happens DJ when you stand firm on
what your expectations are for you wide receivers, they either
meet it or exceed it. If you watch that tape closely,
there's a big play that Jacoby Myers makes. Brian Thomas
is leading the way, Brian Thomas is blocking and knocking
people down. Brian Thomas then later comes and catches one
over the middle and you can see the wiggle. So
it's not necessarily hey, he's not a good fit, but

(08:54):
it's conforming to the standards and expectations.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I've said this and I believe it.

Speaker 5 (08:59):
They're going to need him to be the team that
they need to be down the stretch because all those
systematic receivers are great, and so you play against guys
who have better defenders than those individual talents on the outside.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
So you need to have a get open guy.

Speaker 5 (09:13):
To me, Brian Thomas is dead and it's just about
playing to the standarday to happen him. If he does that,
then this offense goes to another level. Well that's good stuff.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Well, good win for the Jacks very quietly, Yeah, right
in control there in the AFC South Baldie Man. Probably
one of the best games of the week, Houston Indy.
Houston gets to win twenty to sixteen. Your takeaway on
those guys.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
I'm telling you there's not a single guy.

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I don't care if it's lasted or if it's getting
Jalen Petrie back, if it's watching any linebacker Will Anderson.
Like they strike you as hard and as consistent as
any defense in this league. Like you can't help but
feel the hits when you watch that team play. They
throttled up. You know, Jonathan Taylor pretty good, but I need,

(09:59):
you know, and the Colts like to attack the middle
of the field. They like they strike fear when they
come after you, Like there is every single guy in
that team on that defense will hit and and they
and they and then they just get as many hats.

Speaker 4 (10:12):
To the ball as possible.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
It is.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
It is really something to watch.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Like that's playoff defense the way they play now the
other side of the ball. I mean CJ was back
for the first time in the month. I thought the
offensive line, including Trent Brown, you know, if he gets
to just lean on you, you know, and he doesn't
have to like go out there in space and dance
and all, like, he's still effective. I don't know what
he weighs, it's it's weight on size.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Doesn't go into a slump BOLDI.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
I mean, that's a holiday season DJ. He might be four,
he might be every bit of four. Like that thing
is hanging way over the belt.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
But he can't go through them.

Speaker 4 (10:47):
You can't. You can't go through them.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
So but but even like you know, Arianta Ursery, you know,
played pretty good on the edge against Leith.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
To.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
I thought they played pretty good. They found different ways
to run the ball. Got a pinned poll for Chubb
for touchdown. They got a reverse to Nico Collins four touchdown.
That's how he got in the end zone. It's not
a dynamic offense, but the defense just keeps giving you
a chance. And that's in Indy against a good against
a really good offense.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
Buck, I was going to see if you could give
me an example of this because I went through and
was looking through the numbers and went and watched it,
and you know, Jayden Higgins just keeps coming on five
for sixty five in this game. He's a rookie, six
foot four, is two hundred and twenty pounds. Nico Collins
six foot four, maybe close to two thirty, Like he
is a big physical guy. He's five for ninety eight.
I was something Baldy that it's in Houston, So I'm

(11:35):
going back old school. I'm going Twin Towers two point zero.
I got Ralph Sampson, I got Hakeem Elijahwan. Those are two,
I mean maybe not centers, but two power forward wide receivers.
I was trying to think of other can you remember
other great offenses where you had two like just big physical,
six foot four dudes combining each other. I know, like
like Randy Moss and Chris Carter. Randy was taller Jake.

Speaker 2 (11:57):
But they both guys.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Jake Reid was, wasn't he. Baldy was about to say, yea,
so those guys all could kind of play above the
rim too.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
I mean, it's just so hard to find.

Speaker 5 (12:06):
I mean you just know, like from the scouting world,
how hard it is to find cornerbacks and defensive backs
that are six foot or taller. And so imagine now
needing to find two or three of them to be
able to match up with what the Texans are able
to do. And what I'll say about the Texans team
in general, Baldy, you talked about their defense being a
physical defense that will strike you. They have now assembled
a heavyweight team. They're big, they're physical, they all kind

(12:30):
of have an edge and a chippiness to them. And
I'm gonna say this, like when you look at the Texans,
you don't want them on your line when it comes
to the postseason because that playoff defense that you're playing,
Danil Hunter and Will Anderson are down. They have twenty
one and a half sacks this year already, Like Danil
Hunter can take over a game, and Will Anderson is
right there with them, and their physicality wears on you

(12:52):
over time and they make you playing these low scoring,
gritty things. They just need to be adavage on offense
and they're gonna be able.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
To go far into postseason.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
You know what's interesting about that Buck is like Will
and Daniel didn't have a sack in the game, but
yet Will Anderson then move him around like he just
ran over Bordolini the center, he ran over the left tackle.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
You know, uh, he just crushed the pocket like they.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Just and you know, and then you know, Sheldon Rankins
gets a sack, but they just can, especially on third downs,
they just consistently can crush the pocket with just four
and then you you let those safeties and corners go
to work. Not to mention, you know, Al Shire and
some of the inside linebackers like they are they're they're
they're complete, like they're gonna give you a headache man

(13:38):
playing against that defense.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I don't think.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
There's any question about it too, that they just got
to get in, like Bucky said, because that's going to travel.
That ain't something that they got to be playing in
Houston for that defense to play like that. That thing
will go with him everywhere. So that's a that's a
really good football team. Only a game behind now, game
behind Jacksonville Indianapolis. So that's going to be a nail
bier of a division to watch as we come down
the home stretch.

Speaker 2 (13:59):
Here. I'll get you.

Speaker 3 (14:00):
Guys to the game I was at yesterday. It was
a blowout Chargers thirty one to fourteen over the Raiders.
Herbert got hurt. He ended up fractioning his left hand,
so it sounded like he was gonna have surgery Monday,
with the hope that he wouldn't miss any time be back.
You know, they played the Eagles at home coming up,
which is a big game for both of those teams.
But they didn't really need him in this game, Baldi.

(14:21):
They ran the ball down the Raiders' throats, and for
all the Raiders issues with their team, they've actually been
decent against the run. I think there a third in
the league and yards per carry and you know, top
top half of the league in terms of yards. But
Camanie Vaidell, he's made himself some money man as a
young player, the second year guy.

Speaker 2 (14:36):
He runs hard.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
At buck twenty six, they hit a pin and pull
for a touchdown where you get Mconkee blocking down Sawyer
who's now taking over the left tackle spot, which I
think is a good development. He pulls out, gets to
the perimeter, Trey Harris blocks his tail off. You guys
were talking at Bucky was talking about it, Brian Thomas Junior.
But Baldi, when you have wideouts that are bought in
and blocking well in the run game, I mean, I

(14:57):
think that's kind of a hardball thing. But that speaks
to the of culture that they've got there.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
No, I agree, I agree, And you know, and when
you see these running backs, I mean, you know have
the pace too, like you're going to get blocks from
the wide receivers that they don't have to knock guys down.
These have to be in good position, not be dumb
with their hands, especially on the perimeter.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
But I watched it yesterday in Buffalo.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
I watched every one of those wide receivers block against
Pittsburgh yesterday, and it's when they when they you could
tell the effort and the angles that they're taking to
dig these guys out of the box in order to,
you know, help the running back. You could tell just
by the effort sometimes that they're ball bought.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
In yeah, I mean, just a really good thing.

Speaker 5 (15:40):
And I'm gonna say this about comar of it all,
like that is such a great fine three one yard
games already, the ability to be able to do it.

Speaker 2 (15:47):
When you think when they eventually.

Speaker 5 (15:48):
Get Omari and Hampton back, to be able to have
two running backs that can be able to literally carry
the load as feature guys, it only makes the running
game better.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
And I think as we're at.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
The time where we begin to see it, because think about.

Speaker 2 (16:00):
The way the running game.

Speaker 5 (16:01):
Is really showing up this week, just watching the teams,
the way the Bears did charge, the way others are
doing it.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
You have to be able to run it, and you
have to have a running back that can.

Speaker 5 (16:09):
Carry a heavy workload because that only alleviates the pression
on the quarterback. It makes life so much easier for
everyone involved. We need to get down like that.

Speaker 3 (16:17):
By the way, it's amazing how much better your defense
looks when you run the football offensively. And these guys
are well rested and ready to rock and roll. And
that was the charges. The big question was kind of okay,
you know, the Raiders with the new coordinator and all
the talk with coach Olsen was they're going to try
and establish the run and get genty going. And they,
I mean the Chargers, I thought they The question was

(16:38):
are they going to add you know, another big to
the count, because a lot of times they'll play with
the two bigs and two stand up edge guys. Now
the edge guys Mac and Tweet below to are strong,
firm guys, but two big guys, And I thought, okay,
well they will they end up going with three bigs
to try and slow the run that Jacksonville got them on.
Come you know, before the buying some of the issues.
What they did is they're just adding the safety to

(16:58):
the box a lot more so for being such a
too high team. You saw Derwin James buzzing down there.
You saw Mickens get down there in the mix, Tony
Jefferson h taking chances down there. So they're just adding
a number to try and you know, add to the
box there. But I wanted to get to get you this, baldy.
Is there a more underrated player in the NFL right now?
Quietly having an unbelievable start to his career in a

(17:21):
great year Tully twoy Polo two. Does he got ten sacks?
Now he had a game. He had seven tackles, two sacks,
four TFLs in this game. So his rookie year he
goes four and a half sacks. Is a part time
player eight and a half sacks. Last year he's got ten.
Now he's gonna end up fourteen or so sacks by
the end of the season. Baldy, he is twenty three
years old. He's in his third year in the NFL.
He is only twenty three years old.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
And you know what I mean, And he's as sending sending,
and I you know the way that they use him.

Speaker 4 (17:48):
You know, they move around, put him over guard outside,
they twist them a lot. You know, they use them
the right way.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
I'm not that he kiln't you just play on the edge,
you know, and just live on the edge, because I
think he's good enough to do that. But I like
the way that they move him around too. I thought
Minder's done a good job with them. But you could tell,
like even when he was at USC like he had
real core strengthened to him, Like he goes through if
he's on the edge, he's hard to get to shop

(18:15):
his feet from going forward.

Speaker 4 (18:17):
He gets on your.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Edge, heavy heavy hands man, but Buck.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
That's one of those things too when you look at it,
when we're going through the scouting process in the spring,
and because of the COVID year, because of you know,
reach your years and things, we're seeing a lot of
guys like Brozmer started yesterday from Minnesota quarterback.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
It's twenty four years old.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
What have you this guy's been this is his third
year in the league.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
He's only twenty three years old.

Speaker 5 (18:37):
Yeah, trying to find young guys, trying to find young
guys that are still on the come up. You know,
it's great that you're talking about like the young pass
Ruger for the Charges kind of settling in when I
look at the Charger and that road is tough in
terms of what they got to navigate the last few.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
Weeks of the year.

Speaker 5 (18:52):
But once again, man, the AFC field is so wide
open it I think any coach standing in front of
the room can legitimate map out a path or his
team to go to the Super Bowl. Get the guys
by end, and so the Charges are right there. It's
gonna be so fun to not have like the team
that everyone is ready to pencil in. It's gonna make
for a very exciting postseason.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
Watch well.

Speaker 4 (19:14):
I mean, I think the team see the two weeks
DJ in Kansas City for that.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Charge, Oh that's gonna be huge.

Speaker 5 (19:20):
Man.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
Hey.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
The other thing sneaky thinking about the Chargers is they're
seven and two I believe now in the a f C,
which when you get all these teams jumbled up together
the tiebreaker. And the other thing is they're undefeated in
the division. They're now four to ozh inside the inside
the division with two games remaining at Kansas City at Denver.
So a couple of big ones there. Let's take quick break,
we come back. We'll knock out some of these ball games. Baldi,

(19:46):
were you at you at the Jets? You had Atlanta Jets.
I was at Jets yesterday.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
The crowd looked like like low level high school championship football.
That was nice, but they but they were entertained. I mean,
I'll give you, I'll give it Glenn credit. Like it
was ugly. It was ugly on both sides. But the
Jets special teams have been special. Like Isaiah Williams is
a good he's a good returner, Contest Figgers is a

(20:11):
good gunner. You know, the kicker is excellent, kicks a
fifty eight yard er to win the game, Like it's
a I don't know what it was falling out of
the sky. I don't know if it was a mist,
if it was sleep, if it was rained.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (20:23):
Some was falling the whole day. But you know, I mean,
the one thing about the.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Jets right now is like people thought like a d
Mitchell was going to be a throw in on this trade.
What would you have on any Mitchell here DJ, Because
that guy all I see him do is get behind
people and he get behind uh, you know, the corner of Atlanta.
Yesterday they launched a bomb to him. But I've seen
it now two or three weeks in a row where

(20:50):
that guy looks like he could be, you know, if
Garrett comes back healthy and everything, Like I can see
a d Mitchell being, you know, the ex receiver in
that offense for a long time right now.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Yeah, at night Mitchell six oh two two two oh five,
So six two and a quarter two o five he
ran four three four. The first thing I wrote down
is this guy is a freak. He's a gown ground gainer,
a lot of fifty to fifty wins. He torched kool
aid McKinstry when they played Alabama. He can adjust on
the back shoulder, he can work back. He's a hands catcher.
I thought he had some tempo as a route runner.

(21:21):
I mean he was my twenty seventh overall player in
that draft. Yeah, so that's not that yeah, anything but
a throwaway. And in this game, just going through watching
him in this one eight for a bucko two and
a touchdown, speed outs.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Deep posts.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
I just wrote speed speed, speed, like he looked like
the fastest guy in the field and he's out there.
Garrett Wilson can roll now. But they they've got a
track team now that they've assembled. They just got to
get the right trigger man.

Speaker 1 (21:47):
Yeah, they did a quarterback, the quarterback, but you know,
toy Rod was he was a terrible but he can
still like he he based.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
An upgrade over what they've been doing.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
It's an upgrades, you know, he can still I mean
it's just fifteen years now for Tyrod, Like, he can
still run. He extending please, running away from the falcons
they go. They got Pierce and Jaen Walker and they
got all these young guys. He's he's running away from
all of them for first downs and extending you know,
extending quite a few plays, so, you know, and he
got the one deep ball to Ady Mitchell was which

(22:14):
was huesday, they got a muff punt, you know that.
You know, the ball fell in Quantestigger's hands at the
two yard line. Pre scored in the next play.

Speaker 4 (22:23):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
Look they they they earned that win. You know it
was uh it looked it was ugly. But you know,
I would say that they've won three of their last
five games. So there is there is an uptick to
what the Jets are doing. And you good luck trying
to you know, tell me like who Jawan you know,
Briggs is and some of these guys that are playing
for him right now.

Speaker 4 (22:42):
But you know they're playing pretty hard overall for Aaron
right now.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Bucks seventh and twenty third picks in the draft for
the Jets right now, and I'll tell you what the Colts,
just with how that division is is so competitive now
that twenty third pick could end up coming a little
bit higher here.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
Yeah, this infretted. Everyone's going to talk about like the
quarterback stuff and whatever. Get to that draft conversation like
later on. But like if you're the Jets and you're
looking at the core man Tyro Taylor just for now
gives them stability. And I just remember having a conversation
years ago with Mike Tomlin about Tyrod Taylor. He talked
about because they're from the same area. He just talked
about whenever he's in the room, you feel his alpha personality.

(23:20):
And when you think about the two different personalities that
you had in Justin Fields and Tyro Taylor, maybe just
maybe the Jets respond better than Tyrod just because of
who he is and the leadership that he brings to
the table outside of the skills that body was talking about.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
Yeah, I think he'll throw the ball. I think that
also helps helps his cause there. He's just he's not
afraid to let it, let it rip. He sneak that
one under the door. Baldy Man. The most impressive win
of the week, Carolina Panthers. They take out the Rams
thirty one to twenty eight. Outstanding performance by Carolina. And man,

(23:54):
I'll tell you what, Dan Morgan, he's got to be
in the mix for Executive of the Year. Dave Canal
is going to be in the knicks for Coach of
the Year. What they've done with this Carolina team.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
I mean, that was that was the best team in football,
and I don't think anybody was arguing last week they
climbed to number one, you know in the league in defense.
But Derek Brown like is having a monster season. You
know two years ago before he got hurt. He's the
first defensive tackle to ever have one hundred tackles in
a season. Like, the guy doesn't come off the field.
He plays nearly every down. But he made two huge plays.

(24:23):
He tipped the ball that Nick Scott intercept the Enzo.
He got the ball out of Stafford's hands when they're
going in to score, and uh you know they they
they pick up the fumble right there. Uh, dj Wadham
they you know ever O can coach man, he's just
a good coach. He gainst those guys to play hard.

(24:43):
They're they're a good defensive front. They're physical. Uh you
talked about Lathan Ransom. You know that that kid got
a chance to start and uh you know he was
just like literally a meteor coming out of the sky
just crashing into people.

Speaker 4 (24:56):
Uh that that.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
And then Bryce Young, like I know he threw for
four against the Falcons two weeks ago, and then last
week he was terrible, and then this week you know
he found the deep ball, a good touch on it,
and you know they.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
They put up a big number on the Rams. That
was an impressive win.

Speaker 5 (25:13):
Where do you think, Buck, Look, man, I am so
surprised at the Carolina Panthers, right because one week they
can go and snatch down the top team, then the
next week they underperformed. But I will say, like wathingtonm
play against the San Francisco forty nine because I watched.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
That money in the football game and you're like, Okay,
you can see the potential. The defense gave them a chance.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Offensively, Bryce Young wasn't there, But then to watch them
come back against.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
The La Rams and to play the way that they
played is really remarkable.

Speaker 5 (25:40):
I think about Bryce Young being able to hit Tam
McMillan on the outside, Bryce Young being able to have
We talked about the Rams being the best team in
football like heading into that that is a major feather
in decaf. And so the Panthers be sitting at seven
and six in the division where maybe they kind of
find a way to get into the postseason. Yeah, a
great job by Canal. It's Morgan everybody. More importantly, one

(26:03):
person in North Carolina's really happened.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
That's my little brother.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
My little brother loves I don't know why my little brother.
He rise or dies with all things. He's up and
down on the emotional thing. He's super sad. I texted
him last night. He was like, finally, finally they're able
to get it done.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
I was like, man, like that. Who knows?

Speaker 4 (26:20):
You know?

Speaker 2 (26:21):
That's funny man.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
I just pulled up my notes. I didn't realize. Gosh
it was I realized he'd been back in twenty twenties.
Derek Brown's been in the league for a minute now time.
Has excellent sized power and athleticism. As a pass rusher,
quick first step uses his hands. He wins the violent
club swim move or rip move, or a nifty little
up and under counter move against the run. He can
easily hold the point of attack auburn product. Creates separation

(26:45):
from blockers with an explosive punch with allows him to
close quickly and make plays.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
His effort is consistent.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Overall, this is a complete player capable of dominating on
all three downs.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
He'll be a difference maker day one.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
What do you have on Jalen Cocher?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
You know he's basically jumped over exabularly yet you know
as the number two receiver to tet But he I
know he's big, but.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
He looks like he runs really well.

Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, I'll pull him up here. Cooker was in the
twenty four class. He went undrafted. He was at a
holy Cross six to oh one, three two oh eight,
ran four five seven. He plays outside, he can change tempo,
he can stutter go. That was kind of He had
some big plays, excellent ball skills in the red zone.

(27:30):
He wasn't super dynamic after the catch in college. But
someone who can play above the rim, size, physicality.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
Okay, blocker too.

Speaker 2 (27:39):
Yeah, he's a big, strong, tough kid. I don't think you.

Speaker 3 (27:42):
I don't think the route through holy Cross, uh is
going to be one that's not a tough kid. Now,
if you can go from holy Cross to the National
Football League undrafted player, I don't know if the being
tough is going.

Speaker 4 (27:52):
To be my find guy at holy Cross in the
NBA made every once in a while.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Yeah, or lacrosse, I mean I think, yeah, get somebody there,
no question, But man was it was a big time game.
Watching Lathan Ransom was a lot of fun. In this
game ball, you get a chance to break that one
down Bryce Young, buck. I was laughing because I was
like looking at looking at him on tape, and gosh,
I never get used to how small he looks like
for some reason, Kyler is smaller, but Kyler doesn't feel

(28:17):
as small. Rice feels so small. But he's got He's
done a really good job of just find the windows.
He can kind of drift out of the pocket, find
different throwing lanes, little game of hot potato, and then
every now and then he'll he'll he'll get one deep.
But this is this is the type of team he
was meant to play on where you've got a great defense.
Hey be efficient, create a couple of plays here and there,
but just be smart. I mean, Bryce Young is an

(28:38):
incredibly smart kid.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
Be smart.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Take what's there and it's fifteen for twenty. We're not
asking to throw it forty times two hundred and six
yards three touchdowns, and he's going to go use his
legs and go get a couple first downs with your
legs as well. Like he's playing exactly the way he
needs to play. And it's it's been a good fit
there with him and Dave Canalis, and it.

Speaker 5 (28:54):
Has been a good fit and I think he's taking
a while with Dave Canalis to finally kind of settle
in and kind of figure out how to build and
called the game. But Bryce Young at quarterback. But Bryce
Young is the example of why you bet on the
person more so than all the talents and trace and
those things, because the reason why you bet on the
person is you bet on him being able to figure
it out. I think he showed a tremendous amount of growth.

Speaker 2 (29:15):
LEAs it's all he's done. Yeah, when that's all he's done.

Speaker 5 (29:19):
He bounced back, he handled the bitching the way that
you want, came back, played well, did the things that
you want to do. And you're right, DJ, his ego
isn't necessarily tied to the numbers. It's tied to winning
and all we want is a winning quarterback in Look, man,
the Panthers are right there. They still need to add
some stuff to it, but you have to feel good
about like state of the franchise where they're going. They

(29:40):
do have some critical pieces figured out with the people
that they have in place.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
Yeah, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (29:47):
Bryce Young, by the way, a gat and put it
in the chat here third and fourth down eight to
ten for a Bucks sixty two and all three touchdowns
came on later downs, So impressive, impressive win there for
the Carolina Panthers. Baldy Buffalo Pittsburgh. I mean, I guess
you can go wherever you want. You want to go,
good Buffalo, bad Pittsburgh.

Speaker 6 (30:04):
Uh, Well, when you run the ball for two hundred
and fifty yards, the most anybody's ever run the ball
against Pittsburgh in Pittsburgh, two hundred and fifty yards, and
it was I mean, it was Ray Davis, it was
you know, it was uh Cook, it was it was everybody.

Speaker 1 (30:18):
And really Josh didn't have to do very much in
that game. They then played with two backup offense tackles,
Anderson's at the right tackle, vandem was at the left tackle.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Means it didn't seem to make any difference. Pittsburgh looks.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
I'm not going to say they're disinterested, but nobody's doing anything.
Nate herber Nick Herbig is the only guy that made
a play on defense the whole day. He got a
ball out of the out of Cook's hands and they
recovered it. But they were so disappointing defensively and then offensively,
they don't do anything. They throw to the backs doesn't
matter if Aaron Rodgers has a healthy hand and done,

(30:53):
they can't get the ball down the field. And I
don't know I thought that. I thought Buffalo's defense, some
of the young guys, TJ. Sanders, some of those young guys,
Joey Bosa made the play of the day, you know,
to get the ball out of Aaron's hands.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
And you know, I thought that the corner like mad
made a.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Big play right there, made a couple of plays. I
got the interception, you got the fumble recover for the touchdown.
So that was I mean, honestly, they were They never
seemed like they were into the game. They couldn't convert
a fourth down. They blew two opportunities for fourth downs
to continue drives, they couldn't make it. And just watching Aaron,
like every time something goes wrong, he's just like like

(31:34):
the emotion just comes out of him, Like it could
be his bad throat, it could be the receiver not
running the run the right route, or the running back
you know, getting stoned at the line of scrimmage on
fourth down. He looks just totally frustrated.

Speaker 3 (31:46):
Well, I look at their defense and watching all the
runs that they gave up in this game, Buffalo ran
the ball down their throats and I'm sitting there thinking, Okay,
we always talk about using the phrase everybody's got to
be on a string, right, everybody's got to be playing together,
everybody working as one. So if you were looking at
gaps and you just like put up like four fingers,
like this would kind of like you're filling each one
of these gaps. Pittsburgh all they want you to put

(32:07):
up your four fingers. I can show you what that. Yeah,
that's what they look like trying to fill those four gaps.
You're gonna run right through there. It's a nice, big
wide opening. But I mean they've got plays where you'll
see secondary players they'll go to try and take on
a receiver just to get a hit, and I'm like,
where are you going they go get they're running blocked. Yeah,

(32:28):
it's it's the opposite of everything I've ever heard with
defensive football. It's like, don't go to get blocked, like
what are we doing? And then and then the corners
like they're contain they just get lost inside. And it
was equal opportunity because I had to look up James
Pierre because I didn't know which number who that was
at that point in time. So James Pierre uh JPJ

(32:50):
happened to him. Huggers out of douggers out of position.

Speaker 2 (32:54):
You've got uh.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
Uh Ramsey who is one of the ones at one time,
he's just going to take on the receiver on the
balls coming right out, Like where are you going? What
are you guys doing? It's the opposite of being on
a string.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Buck, is what I was getting to Will.

Speaker 5 (33:08):
And I will say this because you and Baldy have
seen as a ton right. So everyone was talking about
the Buffalo Bills running basically two plays out of one formation,
so it was like a snug package whatever, but really
what it is it's an unbalanced line. It's five to
a side, two to the backside, and if you don't
get aligned right, they'll gut you. They're running duo or
zone to that side and they're double team and everyone
on the front side because you don't have the numbers.

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And I'm sitting here and I'm like, okay, man, there's
some there's some bright minds, but this is kind.

Speaker 2 (33:34):
Of like high school.

Speaker 5 (33:35):
Like at some point they're gonna see and they make
it jump and never did they adjust properly to this thing?
And I've never seen this in a game where they
run for two ones and the fifty yards and they're
literally running zone to the strong side, zone to the backside,
like over and over again. And it exposed to like

(33:56):
a discipline and attention to detail for the still is defense.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
And I'm gonna say this, the Stillers are known for
the defense.

Speaker 5 (34:03):
The one thing that you have to be good at
if you're coaching, you got to be good on defense
in Pittsburgh, like that's what the people come to see
from the seventies.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
On and the fact that they're this bad on.

Speaker 5 (34:12):
Defense, and as Baldi talked about, it's interested there's some
kind of disconnect that's going on there in the locker
room because I've never seen this happen from this team.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Baldi, I don't know what. I don't know where the
good is.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
I I don't I'm trying to be positive on all
these things when you look at and go, Okay, what's
the what's the good? I mean, I think they have
some good young pieces on the offensive line.

Speaker 2 (34:35):
But.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
I feel like I feel like this offense, DJ is
literally Arthur is just there and he's just calling plays like.

Speaker 4 (34:44):
There's no feelin to anything.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
I'm just calling plays, you know, and ultimately it's a
check down to warn or it's a check down, uh
you know to the backs. They don't they don't know
how to get the ball down the field. And you know,
and Aaron like when he gets a chance to make
a throw, he didn't make a lot of them, you know,
and the same same issues we saw in New York

(35:10):
last year where you know, he gets a receiver open,
it's third down, you got to make the throw. You
got to stay on the field, and the ball's bouncing
off the turf. It didn't look good. You know, there's
too many If he's getting hit, that's one thing. But
when he said to his feet and he's making a
throw and he's got a good lane, like the ball
isn't going where he wants it.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
To go, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Before we before we scoot here, because that was all
the you know, the big ones we wanted to talk
about from Sunday. But I want to get back to
the previous games we had Thursday Friday. So I'm just
going to ask you, guys. I'm going to give you
the four options of the four teams the most impressive. Okay,
you ready, Here's here's the four teams. Dallas is the team,
Green Bay, Chicago and Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
Those are the four.

Speaker 4 (35:50):
Teams and his game. He could never play good in
two years. I know it's the best thing.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
But what happens when that guy comes back, Baldy? The
coffee tastes better, Everything just looks better, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:05):
I actually I was listening to the postgame press conference
on Thursday night with him, and you know, he was
getting emotional because like, you know, why are you coming
back to play? And like he just likes to play,
you know, like this is the reason why you get
into this game. Yeah, the money, that all that stuff,
Like he just wants to play and just the opportunity

(36:26):
to go out there.

Speaker 4 (36:27):
And throw the ball to Chase and do it.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Like I was getting emotional just listening to him talk
about the opportunity out there.

Speaker 5 (36:35):
Okay, So we talked about most impressive. I'm gonna say Chicago,
And the only reason I want to bring up Chicago.
I think we all expected the Green Bay packing to
be good, the Cowboys offense, I think we've talked about,
but the Bears to go to Philadelphia and to Donkey
kick them in the running game like they did.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
Like to me, that is emasculated for the I mean
just and like people will be always begging.

Speaker 5 (36:57):
But it's one thing to see that offensive line up
route Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis and put them on
skatese I know, we can talk about the scheme like
flat suite one way, cut back the other, but that
offensive line moved them off the ball. And that is
one of those things that when you put that on tape,
that is like, oh boy, not only for the Eagles

(37:19):
but for the Bears, Like, oh, this might be a
far more physical team than people envision. I mean, that
is ridiculous, you know, And as they're gaining confidence that
they can be what I call physical with pizazz Man,
look out, I mean look at. They're not supposed to
be able to turn around in a year like that,
but look out, because if they can run the football

(37:40):
like that, it opens up everything for what they want
to do.

Speaker 3 (37:44):
So I was thinking about this, Has there ever been
a year where there's been a more impressive off season
in terms of the three piece baldy We've been talking
about forever with quarterbacks, young quarterbacks, the keys are the
three piece. You gotta have the right play caller, you
got to have protection, you gotta have playmakers. So if
you look at the offseason that they had, they remade
the entire offensive line. Yeah, I mean, which is playing

(38:05):
in this game, especially in the running of dominant But
they protected Caleb, so they take care of that playmakers.
You go out in the draft and you get Loveland, Burden,
Manung guy, those guys all doing their things and as
new pieces in there, and then probably I don't know
that there's an argument right now the best play caller
with how he's going right now in the NFL and
Ben Johnson like this, if you want a blueprint for

(38:26):
how to help a young talented quarterback, this is going
to be the blueprint going forward for people.

Speaker 4 (38:30):
And there's there's there's really.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
I mean, you go in to Philly on a short
week like that and do what they did, like Bucky's
talking about. I mean, nobody has done about the Philadelphia's
defense in two years. Nobody's done that. No matter what
Darnell right did, you just cave it into the whole
side of the line. He's never played better. He looks
like Pinney Sewell out there the way he's playing right now.
But the one thing that's impressive, because so many teams

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in this league, just watching these games week and week out,
they don't know how to make a yard when they
need a yard. The Chicago Bears, I don't care if
it's on the goal line, if it's in the middle
of the field, if it's fourth and one. That team
knows how to make a yard. And it's not some
gimmick like. They just know how to move you and
find the crease.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
And they did it. They did it repeatedly to the Eagles.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
No doubt.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Man, there's a big time, big time performance. And the
Green Bay defense is for real. The Dallas offense is
for real. Their defense has gotten much better. You're seeing
some teams really surging right now. Man, it's fun to watch,
and I think the commonality Buck. I was talking to
Baldi earlier this morning and said, man, you look at
all these teams that are hot right now, with Houston
being one of them. Maybe at the top of the list.

(39:36):
Physicality is back, man. The Bears have proven that. You're
seeing that with a lot of these teams getting hot
right now, especially as the weather's changing. Man, the physical
teams are on the rise, and if you're not, you're
in big trouble right now.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
Yeah, because the level of playing field.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
If you don't have the talent, you certainly can always
have the toughness, and the toughness shows up. The other
thing that stands out to me about the season, you
realize that it's marathon, not a sprint. I think about
all the teams that jump out, but the teams that
we're talking about now may have had poor starts, but
you're seeing them get better as we get to the finish.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
If you're able to keep perspective.

Speaker 5 (40:11):
On how long the season is. A coach can fix
the team after a slow first month. But you've got
to have that perspective and you got to be willing
to do the work and make the adjustments. But yeah,
it's a marathon, not a sprint.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
I'm real quick here.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
Since DeMarco Jackson, I mean, obviously it's pretty impressive him
and am Ed I mean those are the number four,
number five linebackers.

Speaker 4 (40:31):
On that team. That's two weeks in a row.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
Ozzie Trapil goes in and makes his you know, first
start over there at left tackle. Didn't have any issues
with Nolan Smith, anybody out there. I always think like
when it's the next guy up and they perform like
better than the stars or as good as the stars,
Like that's good coaching. That's good coaching, good scouting, good developing.
And that's what you're seeing, you know, from the Bears right.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Now, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (40:55):
I mean we talked about earlier with I saw with
the charge of Kamani Bydell. You know, this is a
Day three draft pick who's just knocking one hundred yard
games out like they're going out of style in there.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
So it's fun to.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Watch these guys get their opportunity to make the most
of them. Trapillo was a fun one to watch in
college too, so I'm happy he's doing well.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
All right.

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Was he ever at left tackle? Polston College?

Speaker 1 (41:16):
I only remember seeing him at right, But that was
the question mark in training camp? Could he go over
and play left?

Speaker 3 (41:23):
You know who my comp was? Who haven Stein? Okay, yeah,
six eight? He was six oh eight one three, sixteen.
There wasn't thirty three and times wentn't super long. Right tackle, lockout, control,
stays attached, balance, effective on combos, He can recover. I wrote,
function over fashion not always the not always the prettiest there,
but just got the job done. Baldy stayed attached, that

(41:45):
kept guys blocked. I have to go back to the
research final if he played on the other side, but
that's where he was.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
His last year.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Haven Stein's been in this league a long time.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Long time, had a great career. Yeah, Kevin Bayern got
his league leading sixth interception in that game. You know,
I just remember doing like some Middle Tennessee State games
when he was there. Like his skills, it's crazy, like
his interception on Jalen Hurts, Like that's that's a true
center fielder with instincts, the right angle, like reading, the reading,

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the route reading, you know, the scramble drill. That's six
in or seven. They like they're they have what what
do they have? Like seventeen interceptions right now? Like it's crazy,
is the way they're taking the ball away, nay Sean
Wright like all of them. They got Jalen Johnson back
right now, Like that secondary is really together.

Speaker 2 (42:33):
Alli. I looked it up.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Ozzie Trapillou forty four career starts in college, twenty four
right tackle, twelve at left tackle.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Good.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
So he got a little work in there, which and
by the way, is such a great thing man, when
you're when you're scouting guys, guys that have had then
cross trained at different spots, because especially if you're not
a if you're not a first round pick, a good
chance you know you're not starting right away.

Speaker 4 (42:56):
Ken, you've got to be the tween guys.

Speaker 3 (42:57):
Yeah, get us our five best guys out there and.

Speaker 2 (43:01):
That helps.

Speaker 3 (43:02):
All right, Baldy, you're the best, buddy. We'll see you
next week out there.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Okay, there he goes, Buck Baldy, always generous for this time.
I wanted to hit you with one other thing here
before we get out here. So I was talking to
a coaching buddy and we were talking about different offenses
around the league, and I brought up one of the
things that frustrates me with some of these offenses that
I watch, and I'm like, I don't have any data
to support this, but it just I like when guys

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get on the ball and go I don't when you
get up there and you just ask these linemen to
hold their water forever, and it's just there's no rhythm
or flow to it. When you're stagnant at the line
of scrimmage and it's not People get this confused and
they go, oh, youually want to want to hurry off offense.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
No, no, I'm not talking about that. I was talking
when you get.

Speaker 3 (43:44):
Up there, I don't care if you wait in the
huddle forever. It's like it's like a batter going into
the batter's box with no pitching clock. And he's just
sitting there with a bat on his shoulder for fifty seconds,
like you want to get in there, tap the plate
and let's let's get ready to go here. And he
brought up a great point, he said, and you know
they teams have all this stuff. I'm sure we could
find the numbers. But he said, do you know who

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the two fastest teams are in terms of from breaking
the huddle to snapping the ball, so not on the
play clock, just the time from breaking the huddle to
snapping the ball. Are the Dallas Cowboys and the Chicago Bears.
And you'd be hard pressed to find two offenses that
are humming better than those two offices.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
You know what they do.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
They don't give you a chance to just take in
the picture. As a defense, they get on the ball
might be a quick shift quick, quick motion. Then we're going,
we're not going to sit like I watched the Eagles
and it drives me bonkers.

Speaker 2 (44:32):
Man.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
I watched them come up and they just sit there,
and it's like they almost like, oh, crap, I guess
we better snap the ball now. Play clock's about to expire.
Like there's no rhythm to it, man, there's no flow
to it.

Speaker 5 (44:43):
So it's funny that you say this, right, because this
is an old school tactic that I learned from coach
Homebreen Mike Coman when he.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Was with the Green Bay Packers.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
When we would play defenses like the Pittsburgh Steelers who
were notorious for three or.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Four with all the movement. Yeah, people think tempo is
oh we're on the ball and going. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
When we played those teams, DJ it was huddle line
of scrimmage, Go, huddle line of.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Scrimmage, Go go, go exactly first sound go.

Speaker 5 (45:09):
Because what it does is it cleans up all the pictures,
so now they can't do all that disguss stuff.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
They got to get after you. And then after you
do that for a while, now you're getting a vanilla
look from the defense and.

Speaker 5 (45:22):
Now you can get to the line bluffet, okay, reset
like you see Dak Prescott do, and then go to it.
But it's the tempo to the ball going that allows
you to establish a rhythm because you said, as a quarterback,
you want to get in rhythm. To me, it's like
a picture. Some guys like to work quick, get the ball,
let's get to the rubber and go. It allows you

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to kind of get into an offensive rhythm. So the
rhythm isn't just all we're fast. It's understanding what we're
trying to come. We're trying to get them out of
all that that garbage stuff that they give pre snap
so we can play.

Speaker 3 (45:55):
Yeah, I don't care if you break the huddle with
ten seconds left on the play clock. It's not it's
not how fast, it's just it's just from huddle to
the snap. Like, that's the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Man.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
I think there's a I think that's a great point, man,
and not a surprise that, you know, one of the
great offensive coaches was talking like that. Who you know,
Homegrin comes from the probably the greatest off wall free ever.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
They talked about it.

Speaker 5 (46:17):
That's how they eliminated They wanted they wanted the temple
there was a way that you broke the huddle, sprint
it to the line, got down and go. And when
you do that, you talk about Dallas Schottenheimer being able
to do it, who learned under Paul Hackett and all
those other guys who are West Coast people. Uh.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
And then Ben Johnson.

Speaker 5 (46:33):
Ben Johnson is just a masterful guy in terms of
understanding schematics of those things.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah, but they may have cracked the code. Yeah, I think.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
I don't think have you ever heard anybody talk about
I've never heard anybody talk about that. But it's it's
interesting when you see something that's like from an instinct standpoint,
it's like, man, doesn't feel rhythmy or flowy. And they're like,
oh no, there's numbers on this. You can get the
statistics of how fast teams go from huddle to snap.
And I'm like, oh that is interesting, man.

Speaker 5 (46:56):
Yeah, it's a great thing. It's it's an underrated thing
in terms of being able to create an advantage in
those things.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
No doubt. All Right, this has been a fun one.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
Man.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Appreciate it. I appreciate you guys listening to us.

Speaker 3 (47:07):
We will catch them all right here on move the sticks,
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