March 25, 2025 • 54 mins
Marcas Grant, Michael F. Florio, and LaQuan Jones start the show with the latest NFL news, including Najee Harris’ comments on the Steelers and Brandin Cooks rejoining the Saints.
Then the guys discuss the guys they think could bounce back from subpar 2024 seasons. Hear what they expect from Christian McCaffrey, Breece Hall, and C.J. Stroud in 2025 (8:33). They wrap the show by discussing Severance and LaQuan share his thoughts on the first three episodes (no spoilers).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, everybody, It's Tuesday, March twenty fifth, twenty twenty five.
Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We enjoy choreography and merriment.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
To me and your man, MG Marcus Grant, joined by
Michael Florio and Lakwan Jones.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We may talk some severance later on in this show
that for you. Look, I know you just started. You
literally just started the show like yesterday. Just hold on,
hold on to that bit to you get to the
part that's appropriate.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I'm trying. I have no idea. It's like literally nothing.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It will happen when you least expect it. Trust me.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
That's all I'm gonna say. But maybe we'll get to
that a little bit later on in the show. We
can dive into that, get Lakwan's early thoughts on severance.
But we are going to talk some bounce back candidates,
some guys who did not play well last year, whether
it was inury, whether it was just you know, they stunk,
what have you, and whether or not we think those
guys can maybe rebound in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
But you're gonna start with a few news headlines.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
There are some Newsy type things that have gone on
around the NFL. Najee Harris was a Pittsburgh Steeler and
now he is a Los Angeles Charger, and he talked
to a friend of the program and one time NFL
Fantasy podcast producer Chris Hayry, saying that the Steelers quote
didn't have any identity on offense Florida, I started.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
A question on the rundown. I don't even know where
to go with it.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
It just says what's the biggest and I just I
was I was trying to kind of figure out where
to go exactly what the question, because I think in retrospect,
they were sort of right right like he's sort of
right after the the heyday of kind of that Killer
B group, right when they had Ben and they had
Antonio Brown, they had Leveon Bell. They haven't really truely
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had an identity because at the end you had sort
of an old, worn down Ben Roethlisberger. I mean, he
had Nagie Harris, who was I guess productive, but you
didn't have any real playmaking wide receivers. It does feel
like they didn't have an identity. And now I'm sitting
here looking at this roster and I'm like, I still
don't know if they have an identity. I mean I don't,
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and I'm wondering if that's part of what our hesitation
is right now when it comes to drafting any Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I think they've had an identity and and it's the
fact that, like they don't have a quarterback right, like, oh,
Mike Tomlin could take whatever quarterback you give him to
the off, like to the playoffs, like when that is
the biggest talking point every year and it still is
right now, like is it gonna be Rogers, is it
gonna be Ross or who knows who it's gonna be.
Like when when the face of your team is your
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head coach, that isn't great unless it's college basketball or
something like that. But but yeah, like it's their identity
should be their top two wide receivers, like you have DK,
you have Pickings, a great one two punch in real
life field stretchers, exciting players that it's easy for fans
to get hyped up for. But you need to get
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someone that could get them the ball. And like I
was listening to NFL radio yesterday and my car and
they were like, yeah, well maybe Aaron Rodgers, Like you know,
nothing really went right in New York and it was dysfunctional,
And I'm like, yeah, but everything was by why Let's
let's let's focus on the reasons why things were to
dysfunctional and didn't go right in New York. But and
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now you're gonna bring a year older.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We're all trying to find the guy who did this.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It's like it just doesn't make sense. And I made
the joke a couple of weeks ago, like it feels
to me like the Steelers offseason is just spinning a
wheel and being like, Okay, Tomlin, you're gonna take this
quarterback to the playoffs now. But like it, it's just
another stop gap. It's another kicking the can down the road.
A year or two from now, you're gonna be in
the same exact spot that you want.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So yeah, to your point though about sort of kicking
the can down the road, because I agree that seems
to be what the Steelers are doing. I would submit
to you that it's very similar to potentially what the
Giants would be doing if they decide not to draft
say Shud or Sanders or cam Ward if it just happened.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
To come to that.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
The differences I think the Giants are maybe in a
better spot, Like if they decide, hey, look we're gonna
just go with Jamis and like a third round quarterback, right,
I would feel like they're in a better spot than
the Steelers because at least the Giants have bottomed out.
The Giants have bottomed out to the point that they
can get a high draft pick, or they can.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Maybe stockpile picks.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
The Steelers, I've said this before, are sort of in
NFL purgatory, which is the worst place to be because
they're good enough to make the playoffs. Nobody thinks that
they're a real true Super Bowl contender, but they're also
they're not bottomed out. They're not bad enough to get
a high draft pick. I mean, what are they picking,
like nineteen, I think it is twenty one. They're picking
twenty one this year, and that's kind of where they
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tend to hang out, somewhere in the.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Late team's early twenties.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So you're not getting one of those potential franchise changing prospects.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I've it. It just seems to be a bad situation.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I know that, you know, nobody wants to be bad,
and I'm sure there's a spot of pride for Mike
Tomlin and the I've never had a.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Losing season thing.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But at this point, what is it accomplishing just being
good enough to make the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Like it doesn't do anything for you anymore.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I mean, like you said, they're not getting in those
top prospects that they desperately need sometimes to honestly go
out there to make their identity more known and more established.
And like Naji taking shots, I mean, honestly, wow, I
did not expect that, you know, coming from them, but
it was more so of like he's telling the truth.
There is no identity right now. And without them having
a quarterback, you basically have a big body wide receiver
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in DK and r Shnati and Pickens, but you have
nobody else to bring them to their extra loute peaks.
So until that happens, I mean, we're gonna have to
make some moves. I mean, Roethlisberger was an eleventh overall pick.
It's been a while. It's one two thousand and four.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Long time, especially bad being in the AFC, because at
least if you're in the NFC, you could convince yourself
like all we got to do is get in and
then maybe we can, like the Giants beat the Vikings
a couple years ago, right, but literally every year they
get in, it's like the seventh seed. They're playing the
Ravens or the Bills. Yeah, good luck.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That's the thing is that you've got to figure out
how to beat some combination of the Ravens, Bills, Chiefs,
maybe the Bengals if they figure it out. You know,
like you just got to figure out how to deal
with multiple of those teams. And it's just a lot,
just asking a lot. Other piece of news, Brandon Cooks
is rejoining New Orleans Saints. They drafted him in the
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first round. We back in the year twenty fourteen. All right,
well your reaction tells me everything I need to know.
So Florio and he hopes for he bounce back for
Brandon Coots this year.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Nah, it's it's over. This is like a cool real
life thing, like he goes back where it started. I
made a joke that their playbook is just going to
be the bomb from NFL Blitz, where all running downfield
because him, Shaheed and a Lave all kinds of the
same skill set in that manner. But yeah, better, I
think this is a more fun real life signing. No
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no fantasy relevance here.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I mean, I guess they could have them all running downfield.
Maybe they should have a different quarterback, like they they
don't have the quarterback in place.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Just have Taysom Hill chucking it.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
They could have had Jameis Winston come back to New
Orleans and then he could have he could have run
that offense for them, But Derek Carr is not the
guy to be running that offense.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Saints just every day they free, they straight further and
further from God's light.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Like I have no idea what they're doing down there.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Sure, Uh speaking guys, remember that.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, it's real for some, it's real for me.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Dammit, that bill comes due. It's just a matter of
when you want to pay.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I think that's the more I think that's the more
accurate phrase, that the bill always comes due. The salary
cap can be manipulated to a point and after a
while you're gonna feel the pain a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And I think that's very much where the Saints are
right now.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Speaking of bounce back, so we're gonna talk some bounce
back guys. A handful of players who disappoints it in
twenty twenty four, whether or not they can get back
to our fantasy good graces in twenty twenty five. That's
coming up after a break on the NFL Fantasy Football Pod.
So always interesting to talk about guys who were frustrating
for various reasons one season, whether or not they can
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be unfrustrating the following season.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So we've got nine guys nine, one, two, three, four, five, six,
seventy nine to nine.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Guys who were underwhelming in twenty twenty four for a
myriad of reasons, and whether or not they can get
better in twenty twenty five. The first one, and this
is the one we talkalked about in our text chain
that kind of spawned to this idea for this, this category,
this topic.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Christian McCaffrey, the quant I'm gonna start.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Let you start this because I know this, This brings
you joy, This brings you gleed and talk about this.
I would say that a big part of the frustration
with Christian McCaffrey wasn't about McCaffrey himself. It was more
frustration with the forty nine ers who sort of strung everybody.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Along for a really long time.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Right you know, oh, you know, we're monitoring it. He's
working out. We're just gonna wait to see that everything's okay.
Getting married. He's getting married. Like but it was just
like all these things that you know, we were all
cautiously optimistic, right he was falling in drafts.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
But we were still drafting him.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
People were rostering him, holding on to him, waiting for
the moment, and it just kept playing out. I think
finally when we heard reports that he went to Germany
to get like, you know, special tests and everything, that
was when the panic I think started to set in.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
For a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, he comes back, he plays a few games, he
gets hurt again, he's out for the rest of the year.
I know he's had injuries in his past, that's been
a big part of his story throughout his career. But
when healthy, he is still one of the best all
around backs in the NFL. We saw in our mock
draft a couple of weeks ago he fell to the
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eighth spot of the second round.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I mean, at that point to eight, you can't you
can't pass on Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Can you. No, absolutely not. That that's a huge discount.
Like I think he may return on that ADP. If
he stays healthy, I think he might crush it. It's
more so if you're willing to buy into that risk
of him re injuring himself because he's getting up there
in age and the workload is high for him. Like
he may take a step back in somewhat of the
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workload this year because you do have a you know,
a healthy Grendo behind him that can handle that workload.
I still think we get a Christian McCaffrey like season
is just not going to be at the absolute like
he's RB one, he's the number one pick, Like he's
going to be in that bunch of like the Breist Halls,
you know, the Derrick Henry's where they're still going to
have those high ceiling, you know weeks, they're going to
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be performing at high levels. I just think that we
might see a less workload from him this season, and
people shouldn't be mad at that. Just take the discount
and obviously resecure yourself with a handcuff. Can't be Jordan
Mason no more so, you need to get Grendo, which
his ADP might get pulled up, but we'll see. I mean,
Shanahan likes running backs like I kind of feel like
it's guaranteed he's going to draft a running back from
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this draft class, being that it's so deep, and you know,
there's plenty out there that could fit his system. There's
plenty of guys that can do what Christian McCaffrey could do,
but just not at the Christian McCaffrey level that we
known in love. It's just more so he needs help now.
And I think if the forty nine ers realize that,
they'll get the maximum effort out of them.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Man, I'm with you one. I think they draft a
running back.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I think they have eleven picks in this so I
mean they have a chance to stock up at a
few different positions to either find potentially frontline starters or
help for some of their current frontline starters.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I mean, look, Florio two eight seems like a drastic
fall for McCaffrey.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Like, I just don't see that happening, I think, especially
once we get more people into the pool drafting teams.
But are you willing to take a first round shot
on him at this point?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Probably not. And I know people might be like, but
you're the dude who for years was like, this guy's
not injury prone. It's different injuries. And I know last
year technically was he had the achilles tendon that held
him out, and then it was a knee injury after that.
But the Achilles injury is what scares me so much
because that is one that it's a career ender, especially
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for running back this age. So I have a lot
of concerns there, But I think his ceiling is the
best player in fantasy because, like I do think they're
gonna draft a running back, but Shanahan has shown us
many times that, like if you were his number one,
he's like, they have a lot of running backs there,
not because they they like to share this field at
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the same time or anything like that. It's like, all right,
one goes down, you're up next. But like when you're
the guy, you're gonna get a ton of volume. And
CMC is the best dual threat running back I believe
in the history of the NFL. So like, yeah, he's
gonna be amazing if he stays healthy. But twenty nine
years old, and it's really the type of injury that
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he had last year. It was one that we kept
hearing like he might have to manage this the rest
of his career and stuff. So that's what scares me.
But if I could get him in like the early
second round, I'm cool with doing so first round. It
would depend if I'm in the late first round and
I'm like, I'll like the players that like will fall
back to me. Sure, maybe i can be convinced to
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take him there, but I'm not doing it when like
Gibbs or be If I want a running back, I'm
going those guys in the middle of.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
The first or something like that over him.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Achilles tendonitis, which is, you know, one we don't hear
about a lot normally, is just a guy just tears
his achilles tendon and you know, there's surgery, there's rehab, whatever.
This was one where there was nothing ever torn, and
he kept trying to work out and he was rehabbing
and it just never really truly got right, and eventually
he just had to sit down for the rest of
the season. Yeah, I think he's gonna be an interesting
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test case because I think for a lot of us
we're gonna wait on him.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Maybe he falls into the second round.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I think when you get you know, more casual folks drafting,
I think he still goes probably mid first round at worst,
because everybody's gonna be like, why is Christian You know,
you'll be at the sixth slot, You'll be like, why
is Christian McCaffrey still here? And then like he's gonna
be right, and he's gonna get drafted. That's what's gonna happen.
It's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Lakua.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
You mentioned Breeze Hall, right, You talked about McCaffrey sort
of slotting more along the lines of Breeze Hall. And
I'm sitting here and I'm looking at Breeze Hall's numbers
in his career right. Unfortunately, remember year one he got injured,
played just seven games, so that one was sort of
a wash. Comes back and gets nine hundred and ninety
four rushing yards in year two, last year eight hundred
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and seventy six rushing yards. And I'm thinking about this
in terms of Garrett Wilson, right, where Garrett Wilson had
a ton of hype and a ton of excitement, and
fantasy folks still love Garrett Wilson, and we're willing to
maybe take that first round shot on Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And I think it was U Laquim, Maybe it's you
Florida who was.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Just like, we're kind of like, why are we still
doing this with Garrett Wilson, Like maybe he's over high
there you so.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Can we start to say the same thing about Breece Hall.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
This is hard because I'm a huge fan of Breese Hall.
So therefore, like it's not that I'm not a huge
fan of Garrett Wilson, but he might be falling.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
That's why I'm asking That's why I'm asking you this question.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
He might be like falling near that.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
And it's more so of like the first year injury
definitely just took the win out of a lot of
fantasy folks and myself, and that second year was like,
all right, this is what we're doing. And then we
see them draft Braylan Allen and then the usage was
kind of questionable. It's like what the heck is going
on in New York? Like do they not know what
they have? They have the Ferrari, they got a viper,
they got a classic here ready to go. But it's
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more so it's like the offensive just scheme than just
how they're trying to work him. With Braylan Allen, it
is frustrating, So he might be getting a little overhyped
into the draft area. He might be living in that
back and in the first round, but I feel more
comfortable in that early second round taking him because it's
like that first round, I need a wide receiver. There's
too many good ones there and you got guys like
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Puka and Davonte Adams that might fall back in that area.
I just feel as though he he just needs to
be at the right price for me to feel comfortable
with him, for him to hit that actual blue high,
cause there's games he had like thirty one points in
there that's definitely on the table for him if they
use him, if the game is you know, going the
way accordingly, which I think they should get a little
bit more offensive, you know, opportunities with justin fields. It's
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just that his price needs to be where it's at,
like in that second round ballpark. I don't think we
should be putting him in the first round anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Florio Breese Hall is Joe Mixon tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I think there's more upside with bres Hall. But you're
not wrong in the production category, Like not only did
he never run for a thousand yards, he's never had
double digit touchdowns rushing or receiving combined like and that
to me is the biggest thing is in year two
it made sense where it was like they're not giving
him the goal on work because he's coming off of
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this this knee injury. They're they're like worried about his
health and everything. But in year three they did the
same thing, and it was Braylen Allen often coming in
and I forget who there RB three was down the
stretch who was stealing goal on touches away as well,
but they it was just really frustrating. And when we
did Fantasy Live at the end of the year, we
were talking to is Breece Hall in RB one, like
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that was the conversation we were having. Then we do
our mocks, he's going as a top five running back
in the first round. Still I'm out at that price. Yeah,
I don't even love him in the beginning of the
second round, Like I think middle second round, I'm totally
in there because he has the upside to be top five.
But it's a lot like what I said with Wilson
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last week, like we're we keep elevating him to a
level he's never been at before, and that's what we're
doing with Breece Hall. Like the idea of the Jets
are so much better than the reality of the Jets,
and we play in a reality world, so it all
comes down to cost. But at if they're going anywhere
in the first round either of the two Jets, I'm out.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Are you taking mccafrey ahead of Breee?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
No, no, no, you're not taking You're not You're not
taking mccafrey ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Of bree Hall.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
That's really close for me.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I'm still taking Breeze because I feel like there's still
me in the bones there for him, Like the tape
isn't matching. The no numbers aren't matching tape. That's the situation,
Like we know his ceiling could be so high. It's
just it's not him physically not being able to get there.
It's what the Jets are doing to him. Like it
doesn't make sense why draft Braylan Allen last year, and
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like you said, two years ago, it made sense why
he wasn't getting the goal line where we don't want
him broken he's the future. But here we are in
year three. It's like, dude, are you going to unleash
the beasts? He needs all the targets he needs all
the goal line in red zone work. He can handle it.
He's shown this, so it's like, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
But there's so much unknown in New York versus known
in San Francisco, right.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
And if we're talking ceiling, I don't think I don't
think anyone has a higher ceiling. Like literally, we've seen
cmc be the best fantasy running back.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Like ever, but this is the most beat up we've
seen him ever. Like this is a huge red flag.
The floor is safer for Breese.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yes, yeah, I think that's fair. I just when McCaffrey won.
We've seen him do it. We know who's calling the plays,
we know who's running the offense there, and there's still
a lot of pieces that are similar to what they
were in the past. Meanwhile, with the Jets, new head coach,
new oc, new quarterback, there's just so much unknown there
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that I think I'd.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Rather have McCaffrey over Breeze Hall. I don't know. Maybe
maybe that's me being a homer.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I could be convinced, for sure.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I was about to say, we got we got to
keep iron this out.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
There's me being a homer, and yeah, but but I
think I'd rather have.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Him, because I feel like if you're taking a risk,
shoot for the moon and scare money, don't make money,
and see him sees the moon.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, I don't think Breeze Hall is the moon, Like
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I don't think because I don't think their offenses are good.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I think he's safer, that's all.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
That's how.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
That's my take on. He's safer to where I could
sleep at night. And then it's like, now I got
to play the backup running back for the forty nine
or Sweet States on the waiver war, Like these are
real fears.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
You're gonna play that anyway?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
You were all about Jordan Mason, so you were already played,
You already bought that. You had already bought that lottery ticket,
so like why not.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yeah, I'm speaking for the general fantasy players out there,
like I understand those fears and those those headaches of
like I got to run to the waiver wire to
spend mad fab or I got to be the first
come serve in my league because my league mats are
freaking vulture. Like It's one of those things that those
are stressful about a fantasy football, Like I have a
friend that sucks at the waiver war.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
He hates the waiver wire because he can't get.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
The players he wants at the time he wants to
do it in our league, gets first come serve and
he hates it and he doesn't want to play anymore.
So I just get the understanding of the frustrations of
jumping to the waiver wire.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I guess as I'm thinking about it here, it's like
the risk reward is is CMC's floor is he he's
hurt and he's not playing. The ceiling is he could
be the best running back. The issue with Breese is
we've seen him stay healthy and thes and RB two.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, you know what, maybe Gary Wilson, maybe Chris o'roby.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
We didn't kick this around a little bit more too.
As the the off season goes along.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
He needs to go in that bag of what bag
of what you call it? Marcus?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Him and fields though, could be so much fun together.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Oh the was it the satchel of discontent? Yes, the
Satchel of discontent? Where we're going, Jeff fans live in
that satchel. They man, They've got their names embroidered on it.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
A whole nine.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
It's great you mentioned Gary Wilson, you mentioned Chrys o'lave
Speaking of Ohio State receivers.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Marvin Harrison Junior, he.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Was supposed to be the can't miss, like, oh my goodness,
work taking him first round?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Like just how hi are you gonna take him? Like
there's no way things are gonna go wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Until he gives you sixty two catches for eight hundred
and eighty five yards and a very quiet eight touchdowns.
I about to say that was super quiet, a very
quiet eight touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So I mean, Florio, was this a Marvin Harrison issue?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Was this a Kyler Murray issue? Was this a Drew
Petsing issue? What exactly went sideways? And you know, are
things going to get better next year?
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I think it's a combination of all of that. Like
I do think Kyler Murray as much as I want
him to be awesome and everything, like, I think he
struggles to get the most out of his wide receivers.
He's always been someone that's been better at targeting tight ends.
He's good at targeting his running backs and his slot receivers.
Good George X. He's out wied X. He's not the best, right,
(23:41):
So so that works against Marvin Harrison. I also think,
and I'm very guilty of this because I was pushing
him up to be a wide receiver one, even though
I had him behind Elak Neighbors at this time last year.
I think we all overestimated him a little bit and
thought he would come in and be an immediate difference
maker and one thing like go. I went back and
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looked at some of the stuff I wrote at this
time last year about him, and it was like, he
can win out like downfield, He's contested catches, all of that.
He's not great after the catch. He's a little bit
more limited than you would want. And true like alpha
wide receiver to be like Chase Jefferson. These guys could
win anyway. Harrison isn't at that level yet, and I
think we push It's something I was saying the other
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day with neighbors, Like, to me, there's elite wide receivers
that can win no matter who the quarterback is, and
there's like four or five of those guys in the NFL.
And then there's elite wide receivers that like, are very good,
but they need good quarterback play as well. And I
think that's Harrison's ceiling.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I mean it's the argument, right, it's you know, in baseball,
it is starting pictures like eight number one pictures, number
one starters versus aces, right, And yeah, and Marvin Harrison
at least through year one, you know, he's definitely not
an ace. And I think we're still trying to figure
out if he's even a number one starter, If he's
a number one wide receiver, it's.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
A great, a great comparison, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
You know, I think that's what we're trying to find
out right now. I think some of.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
It did have to do with Kyler maybe not being
aggressive and trying to force the ball to him, which
is sort of wild when you look at the wide
receivers on that roster. Greg Dortch notwithstanding, I mean, but look,
I mean who else was really I mean, you know,
we like Michael Wilson as like a deep sleeper, kind
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of a late, you know, end of draft sort of guy.
Even Greg Dortch, even Greg Dortsch, I mean, even your
even your wildest expectations of him. Lakwan, he was a
late round pick, probably more of a waiver wire sort
of guy. I mean, yeah, Trey McBride had a very
good season despite having just two touchdowns at some point,
if you're Kyler Murray.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Aren't you trying to get the ball to your playmaker?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
You know, we I know we had a lot of
fun with the It's not my job to get Marvin
Harrison targets. Uh, yeah it is. Yes, it's one hundred
percent of your job. You are the quarterback. You're the
one who delivers the football. So some of it I
think was a Kyler Murray thing. I think some of
it is if you're Drew Pettsing, you've got to find
some creative ways to get your guy the ball. And
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laquant I mean you can speak to this as a
Rams fan, like, yes, Cooper cup is very talented, and yes,
Pooka Toakua is very talented, but also they have a
coach that goes out of his way to make sure
he gets those guys open so that Matthew Stafford can
deliver them the football. And I think that was something
of what was missing last.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Year with Marvin Harrison, and I blame that towards the
offensive coordinator, Drew Petsing. And I say that just respectfully,
is like you have Marvin Harrison is the he's your gym,
he's your gold guy. He's your ex y receiver. You
feed him the ball, and that's kind of not what
we've seen consistently through the season. Because Week one you
see Greg Dortch go off because he is his most
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reliable wide receiver. That chemistry is there. We saw that work,
and then the Rams game you see him force fed,
he blows up, and then he's quiet for another two
three games after that, and it's like, why can't this
remain consistent in the game plan that he's your number
one kyler him needs to get the most chemistry built
at each other because he's your most lethal weapon. Michael
Wilson's not going to do it. Trade McBride can't always
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be your security blanket because pretty soon they're going to
find a way to bobble him up, and then you're
left with somebody that is still trying to develop this
chemistry with this type of offense with your quarterback. I
think he can raise his level this season. I think
everything that we're saying, everything that we're pointing out, they're
going to go in the lab and try to cook
something up, and Marvin Harrison is going to perform to
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the level that we had expectations for year one, because
it's not like he had a terrible rookie season. It
just wasn't as high as our expectation. So if we
take a step back and they recalculate, I think we
should be able to have like some type of value
in Marvin Harrison and where he's going in drafts.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Is he a top two receiver from his class?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Is he a top two wide receiver from his class
at this moment?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
No? Can he be? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
But right now no, yeah, I agree with that. No,
Right now it's it's Malik Neighbors and.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
He was like the un heralded can't miss one at
this time last year.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, no, right, and right now it's it's Milik Neighbors
and Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
It was going at like one to eleven in redrafts
and like crazy heights of like bestball leagues, like people were, and.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I thought it was worth it. It was swinging a miss.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah yeah again, like it's not. The book's not closed.
We just we need we need to rewrite for the
next chapter. The next chapter.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Patrick Mahomes. It was a frustrating season.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Funny thing about Patrick Mahomes from last.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Maybe not about Mahomes, but about us.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Is that whatever people talked about Patrick Mahomes last season,
and I know we did this on NFL Fantasy Live.
I'm pretty sure we did this on this show, is
that we always sort of threw in the asterisk of.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Mahomes playing pretty well in real football.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
This is just a fantasy take, like like that was
always it, right, whenever we had the what's wrong with
Patrick m'hos, there was always the no. I mean, we
get it, he's playing really well, but but you know,
fantasy probably wouldn't start him this week. Florio is somebody
who wrote about him a lot in Stardham Sidham who
actually had to write to sit Patrick Mahomes on occasion.
(29:15):
Was last year a Patrick Mahomes problem? Or was it
just the inevitable part of the Chiefs not really getting
their wide receiver position right?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I think it's option three. They just weren't healthy. Like
I was really excited for what they could have been
with Rashieve Rice, Marquise Brown and Xavier Worthy, and Rashie
Rice lasted a month. Marquise Brown was taken from US
before the season started, and Xavier Worthy then was put
into a much larger role and then they lose Isaiah Pacheco.
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So they bring in Kareem Hunt, you bring in DeAndre Hopkins.
Their offense winked from what we hoped could be like
the fastest offense they had since Tyreek Hill to a
bunch of aging vets who were plottered, and you need
to kind of just control the clock, trust your defense.
And I think his season was a result of the
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Chiefs roster as a whole, like of quarterbacks who threw
the ball four hundred times last year, Mahomes had the
lowest are yards per target like we saw in the
Super Bowl. He could still heave the ball sixty five
yards on a dime if if he wants so. I
think this year, with the same receiving court, hopefully being
healthy and staying intact for the season, he could not
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only do I think he can get right, I think
he can get back to his elite Fantasy days, which
is why I have him as my QB six after
the Big Top five, and why I think I'm going
to be one of the Patrick Mahomes people in Fantasy.
I know on this show I already am, but I
think I'm gonna be one of the biggest defenders of
him in Fantasy and I hate that for me because
he has cost me more pain than anyone say, he's
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still amazing, you know, like he just needs that deep
ball back in his game and he has the guys
that if they're hell, you can.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Get that back. Lukwan.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Does it bother you that they don't really have any
size at wide receiver?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I know the whole goal is just to have speed, right,
and that was the whole plan.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
A couple of short kings here.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I'm not talking about life, I'm talking about football, right, Like,
does it bother you that? Like, I mean, right now,
Rashid Rice is well he's six to one, Like he's
their biggest receiver at six to one.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
I don't think they need speed. When you have somebody
the captain of this ship of Patrick Mahomes, he could
throw you open. And when you have guys that could
separate in career after the catch. This is where Rashid
Rice was missing last season. He would have just upped
that number up. And I think, you know, Xavier Worthy
having a year on her belt, we can get a
lot more out of Patrick Mahomes. I'm just not putting
him at QB six. I am a believer on this
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podcast and we will go down in history for going
back and forth with Mahomes about Nicks. But more so
looking at it, like I think he could be a
lot better than what he was last season. Would have
healthy offense. I think that's just a given because he
had to work with what he had. And it's more
so of like, hey, he did a pretty decent job
to work with what he had. He could have been
completely worse, he could have been completely off the fantasy radars,
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but there were some weeks that you still were able
to have some type of confidence of having him in
your starting lineup. So the short kings, it don't matter.
He going and get the ball and he gonn ball out.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I mean twenty six passing touchdowns for Patrick Mahomes last year,
which is tied with a career low from twenty nineteen,
when he also only played fourteen games.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, we have yet to mention Travis Kelsey either. I mean,
I'm not expecting much from this season. I'm expecting more
wide receiver work. I feel like this is a plus
if you're going to be buying into Xavier Worthy and
you know Rashid Rice and etc.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, he's not going to be the target dominator this
year that he has been in the past playoffs maybe
maybe maybe, but even that's not a guarantee. Like, I
don't I don't think he dominates the target. So that
does mean there's more opportunity for some of the wide
receivers in the building.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So that's that's kinna be interesting thing to watch about
as well.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Michael Pittman Junior another disappointment. I don't know, florio with
the quarterbacks that are competing against each other, it's a rap.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Like I don't think we need to spend a lot
of time on this, right, Like, it's just it's just
what it is.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Completion rate. His best receivers is probably Alec Pierce, and
I think if Daniel Jones wins the job, he loves
the slot. He made Waldall Robinson fantasy relevant. That's what's
calling just downs. So like Michael Pittman Junior just feels
like a loser here. He's great, he's a real life winner,
but for fantasy.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
This is not This is not a judgment on his character.
This is on the situation.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, I felt mean saying that nobody's gonna clip that's
a loser. And then he's gonna stuff me in a
locker or something like that.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I'm just I'm waiting for it to get to the
other Mike Florio who makes a whole post about it
on his website and then it becomes a whole thing
that's gonna be great. Yeah, we're team MF half over here.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
It's fine, don't there we go.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Loser may be someone else, but not Michael Pittman.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Jun there it is. I put Dalton Kind on this list.
I don't know interesting. Really, I think he is.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I think what we saw like last year, he made
it better this year than what he was last year.
But I'm starting to think that he's not gonna be
the guy that I wanted him to be coming out
of college.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
But maybe you maybe you disagreed. Look on, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
I think it would be serviceable. He will live in
that David Nijoku tier, like he'll be down there. I
don't feel like I could put him with the Kittles
and Andrews and stuff like that. But it's just because
of Joe Brady, to be honest, Like, everybody's gonna eat.
And I definitely think they're going to be getting some
wide receivers that can help him out with that deep ball,
because obviously Donkin can help with that and catch that
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one deep ball, but it's more so that was what
was lacking. So if we fix Josh Allen, you know,
with his deep ball where he suffered at because Matt
Collins definitely was not the answer to that. He just
needs a more of a supporting cast, more distractions, and
then I think Darcy Cade can get more up.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
At the end of last season, Florida, are you were
ready to scrap him to a shopping cart and roll
him down the biggest still you could find?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
You have you calmed down a little bit about it?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah? I thought it was very telling that both the
GMN head coach came out after the season and where
like he needs to put on more muscle. But even
more than that, they've come out and they've said, like
his knee injury was more severe than they let on.
And who knows, that could be coach talk, that could
be trying to tamper expectations and stuff, but it at
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least gives some reason to be cause like, he wasn't
the same guy last year, even that he was in
that stretch when he was a rookie, when he looked phenomenal,
so like maybe he could get back to that, but
I'm done paying that high fantasy price. Like I agree
where LQ was placing him, But like in our mack
the other day, you went, you went ahead of Hockinson
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and Kelsey and I forget who else, And I was like, yeah,
at that price, I'll just keep waiting. Yikes.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, if you going ahead, I'm not taking him ahead
of Hawkinson.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Like I got my thing with Hawk but.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, and I'm not even totally sure I would take
him ahead of Kelsey either.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
No, like he's a great player, but it's more so
the reality of the situation system, the distractions, the lack
of distractions. Like most tight ends, they need that supporting
cast to actually be on Palmer Baby there there man.
Hopefully stay's consistent. But I do love that signing for you, guys,
(36:42):
Josh Palmer. Man, he's a baller, but it's just come on, brother,
stay consistent.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I mean, the Bills need one dude who can just
run win sprints.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Apparently that's a Josh Palmer's his role in the offense now,
So uh C J. Stroud, I mean, is it just
as simple as saying that if he gets an offensive line,
he comes line. I mean that is that just that's
the beginning, middle and end. Just fixed the offensive line
in Houston.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
But it got worse. They were no good old lineman
and they were like here you go, Jade and Daniels,
their best.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
O linemen that performed as for PFF outperformed them by miles.
And then you get rid of him and it's like, whoa,
who do we doing? What's the next move? Like the
other you gonna fall? Like what's the joke?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
And I, I mean I get it, Lorette right, Like
you know, Larimie Tunseel might not have been at his
bet like last year might not have been his best season,
but he was still the best offensive lineman that you had.
He was the best one that you had by far,
and you've moved on from him, so I don't know.
I mean, right now, the wide receiver room is Nico
Collins and injured Tank Dell and Christian.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Kirk and they're picked twenty five like you would get
a starting caliber old lineman. But the ones that could
be Laramie tunsel or all gone at that.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Point, all gone. It's the mystery box. It could be anything.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
It could even be Laramie Tunzel, who knows. Yeah, I
mean I do, like I think that is that's the beginning, middle,
and end with CJ.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Shroud.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
If they can find someone to protect him five find
five someonees to protect him, then I think you see
something closer to that rookie season.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Even then, I'm still not sure because.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Some of it was I mean, he had a huge
average depth of target in that first year, sometimes because
they found themselves in really high scoring games and he
sort of had to throw the ball a lot, and
I don't know if that's going to be the case.
They're better defensively. They have a running game now in
Joe Mixon.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Who's able to work behind terrible line. So that's fine.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, I mean, but so maybe, I mean there is
there is a strain of the multiverse where CJ. Shroud
just never gets back to that rookie year again.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
No, I've kind of accepted it to there's just too
many issue shoes and more so, it's like, I think
we need a price check on Nico Collins as well,
because talking to my friends, they're like, yeah, first round lock, yeah,
like one ten, one eleven, one twelve, and and I
think in our mock he kind of went in that
early second round. It's like, what if you know, c J.
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Strout ends up taking a step back further because O
Line has taken a huge step back further as well.
So it's like, I'm not sure how I feel about
taking Nico Collins if c J. Strout's not going to
be able to get back. Yeah, now I think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Uh yeah, I mean I last year I wasn't really
in on the draft prize for Nico Collins. I think
I sort of got dragged into it because everybody else
seems so excited about it and Las yea, look last year.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
He paid it off.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna knock him.
I just don't know if that happens again this year,
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Cloya.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I think I'm I'm done with Travis Etn. I don't
know about you. I think you and I and I
think just because Tink Bigsby is real and I don't
know that he's going away, like, I just I don't.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Think I can get in on Travis Etn anymore.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah. Like, And the thing the scary part is is
I think if you ask most people, they'd be like,
I don't know what happened with Travis Etn. He was
so good prior to last year and was he Like
when you really start to look at his last two seasons,
they're pretty similar. Like the success rate was actually better
last year than it was two years ago. The yards
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per attempt are nearly identical. He was worse as a
pass catcher last year, that's one big thing. But it
was just volume, right, Like he had one hundred and
seventeen less touches last year, carries last year than he
did the year prior, and a lot less goal line worked.
Like so he's one of these backs that I think
he got elevated beyond a point that he is because
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he had so much volume and he had a high
touchdown rate. But we know you can't really rely on that,
and we saw that last year, like once he lost
some volume and the goal line touches, this was a
guy that was not usable fantasy. Like I was every
week being like yes Sid Travis Etn, Like if you're
gonna start either of these guys, I'd rather go with
Tank Bigsby and like it nothing's changed there, right, Like
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Bigsby's still gonna be there. It's the same similar style offense.
I know Liam Cohen's coming in, and maybe that is
what gives people hope, but like it'd have to be
a pretty big discount, Like what round would you be
comfortable taking? Etn?
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Uh? Six seven?
Speaker 4 (41:33):
I think I'm comfortable with that six seven. But the
thing is it's gonna be nasty when I hit that button,
Like I'm not gonna no, it's more so of like,
all right, well, if that's what's living in those rounds,
I will probably hit the fourth to fifth round for
my running backs, I might double tap so I don't
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have to deal with that tier, you know, because I
don't see much upside with Liam Cohen there, and there's
nothing that moved Needle. It's still Travis ETN. And you
still have Tank, Like Tank is real, like Marcus was saying,
like he was out there balling until some games he
fumbled his way out out of the starting job. But
it's like it happened, but it's just like they're going
to be a one to two punch regardless of how
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you look at it.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
He was the middle of the fourth round in our
mock last week.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Actually, we need to redo it.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Who did that?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I can't I.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Can't do that. I'm sorry, I can't did that. I
think hippo laws. I think hippo laws prevents us from
saying the name of the person who drafted.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Where was the pick? After MG, that's who did it?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I think it wasn't it wasn't me.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
I can say that, but like I think, I think
it's a violation of hippo to tell who, uh who?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Actually?
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Oh my for sure? Oh my?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
All right, last name on this list Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Here we go, Like.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
This feels like the ultimate, Like I think I'm out
and then like the draft price is somehow gonna pull me.
But actually, I'm not gonna say that because I tend.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
To want to go early on my tight end.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Like I don't think I'm gonna have Kyle Pitts because
I think I'm already gonna have my tight end by
the time he comes up. But I guess if you're
not willing or or interested in going early, I guess
there's a world where you can talk yourself back into it.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah, I've already said, like I think for my tight
end approach, I'm gonna either get one of the early
guys or I'm gonna just wait and double dip. And
if that's where Kyle Pitts fits in, like I could
easily sell myself a story where like all right, getting
him as the tight end two when like the thirteenth round,
like there's upsite there. Pennis can't be as bad as
as Kirk Cousins was last year, right, But like, if
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we get to a point where people are pulling up
Kyle Pitts as a tight end one.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I'm out, uh lakwan does he get pulled up? So
you were finally in last year? You were finally in
on Kyle Pitts and then you know he did that.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
We dragged you in? What could have go wrong?
Speaker 2 (43:50):
You guys? Did you?
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Guys dragged me right into the train.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
I got real comfortable.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Where are you on him? Now?
Speaker 4 (43:57):
I'm completely off the train, Fellas that train has left
the station and I'm still standing there, like, hey, it
was fun. It's been a ride. But Florio, is this
your any talking about Kyle.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Pits like Cole Pits?
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Because this is insane.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
You know what the funny part is is I just
pulled up his one love the reference any Yes, mi
Amni has been tortured. I almost made something that would
have gave it away for you.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
But careful, my AENNI.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Has been tortured by Kyle Pitts. But the funniest thing
in the world to me is I pulled up his
Pro Football Reference page and his nickname on the site
is unicorn.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
I saw that the other day.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
A player who has ten total touchdowns in four career
seasons has to give that nickname up. And that to
me is the most frustrating part. Right, Like, Kyle Pitts
is huge. How can you not get him the ball
in the red zone? But for some reason they never could.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
Yeah, he's a horse. He's not a unicorn.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
He's just a horse.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
We need Matt Ryan to come out of retirement.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
He's just a horse, that's all.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Geez to think that he played with Matt Ryan that
was a thousand yard season.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
How long ago that was?
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, I don't know. I I think this is the year.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Like I said last year, like if it didn't happen
that that I was out And so I'm sticking to that,
like I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna target some of
the the the uh trade mcbrides, the you know, I'll
take a George Kittle. You know, I'll take a Mark Andrews.
I'll even take a T. J. Hawkinson. I just don't
think I'm gonna wait around long enough for Kyle Pitts
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to be viable.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
I'm taking Cole comment this year, all right, you have
fun with that, I could see, but as a titan too. Right,
there is a tribe of Cole commit stand. I'm gonna
go over there and see what's going on real quick,
and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm get an extra ticket
for you guys, and we'll see what happened.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
I'll go catch a movie or something that day.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Watch Spider Man three.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Seriously, I'll go.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I'll go do something else that you let me know
how that goes. Enjoy the snacks, though, I'm sure they're tasty.
We're gonna take a break, come back talk some first
round guys, and maybe.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
We'll talk some severance too.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
This thing is getting long. We'll figure it out in
a little bit. Stick around for more of the NFL
Fantasy Football Show.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
During the ry, we call an audible because we spent
a lot of time on these bounts. Back, guys, and
where your time is valuable we appreciate you hanging out
with us and listening to us, so we will save
our NFL Draft first look until Thursday show. It also
makes my prep a little bit easier when I put
these rundowns together, So thank you for that idea, Florio.
In the last couple of minutes before we get out
(46:41):
of here, though, Florida, you and I have been talking
about Severance, at least amongst ourselves for a good year now,
and finally, finally, finally, we have bullied la Quan into
watching it. So wait, now, how far into the show
are you?
Speaker 2 (46:59):
So?
Speaker 4 (47:00):
I completed three episodes yesterday, okay, and I'm so tempted
to put on episode four right after I jump off
this pod, but I have to wait for Wifey to
watch it with me because she's locked in.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, you gotta wait for the wife. Now, you can't.
You can't do it without the wife. You can't do
without the what I.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Have been on this roller coaster? Man, And like how
we were talking about before we jumped on, Like I
was a little confused at first, but then like I'm
really like, I pay attention to a lot of details.
So like one of the details I told about you guys,
and I'm pretty sure it's gonna get called back once
I keep watching. It's like when he walked in, he
had that piece of paper in his pocket and he's like, huh,
what the and he threw it away. So I'm thinking,
(47:37):
like now, the first three episodes, it's like they're trying
to figure out how to get messages to their audies, and.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Their innies are like kind of.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
Like okay with it except for the new Girl, And like,
I've just been locked in with this roller coaster of
just trying to figure out, like what is going on?
What are they doing down there? And rippd man, he
broke the code?
Speaker 2 (47:59):
The man? Why do he break him like that? Man?
Speaker 4 (48:02):
But it's been interesting for these first couple of episodes,
and I'm definitely definitely gonna be watching season two.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
I just love that now we can like drop memes
and stuff in the chat and you will have just
a better idea of sort of what it is, because
I don't know how many like milk chick memes I
have thrown into the text chat and like, I'm sure
you've had very few ideas all the awards, man, mister milcheck.
And when you get to season two just there's a
whole lot going on with Milk. Like I forget the
(48:33):
actor's name, but he Tremell Tillman. Yeah, yeah, give.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Him like like literally just carve his name in an
Emmy right now. Same thing with Adam Scott.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
I mean if once you catch up, I mean we
might just have to do like first season three whenever
it hits, we'll just this would just become a severance
podcast or something like that once once it happens, man, But.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
We're glad to have you on board.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Same MG. You could relate to this like he's I'm
happy that you love it. Quan, there's so much that
like I love that you're trying to piece it together.
But as someone who knows where the train goes, like
it's very fun to watch you see what think matters
and what doesn't, and and it's it's fun.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
This is sort of like you know, it's like every
now and then somebody will live tweet Game of Thrones
like watching it for the first time, and like the
whole timeline is just waiting for that person to get
to the red wedding.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Right There's just like there's just like I.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
Even know what that is and I haven't even watched it,
Like it's just.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
There's that sort of moment where everybody on the timeline
like in their own digital way, you're kind of like
nudging everybody next to you. You're like it's coming, like
we just watched what you see what happens? And then
just there's the like oh no, oh no, wait, oh no,
what's happening?
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Why no, what's you know?
Speaker 3 (49:46):
And then yeah, when I first watched Game of Thrones,
I was behind and my cousin was like, did you
get to the Red wedding yet? And I'm like I
I don't know, maybe and he's like, oh, that's the
one where Nicholae was like no, she was like the episode, yeah,
don't do that.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, that was that was That was one of the
more shocking endings to an episode of television I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
For sure, when when severance, I don't know of a
show who sticks the season finale is better. I know
it's only been two, but like they've stuck both of
them perfectly. But when look, well I won't give anything away,
but when season two ended, we watched it like once
it aired too. Me Nicholett just sat there and we're like,
oh my god like, and then we both just started
like reading on it and stuff like it is amazing
(50:36):
and unlike other shows, the Bear stuff actually happens on severance,
which is awesome.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yeah, The Bear season three was a major disappointment to
go through the whole thing and then afterwards, like they
would finished it with like two be continued.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
You end up exactly where you started.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, and there's like a two be continued and I'm like, well,
I just wasted, you know, several hours of my life,
So thanks for that.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
I love the actor Lip Lip from Shameless. I mean,
that's all I know.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
It is great. Yeah, man, car me so I'm hoping
season four redeems itself. That's all I know.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Ben Stiller said season three is gonna be out pretty quick,
which is good.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
I mean, I think part of the reason there's a
gap between seasons one and two was, you know, you
had a writer's strike, you had you had multiple work
stoppages across Hollywood, which you know obviously caused some disturbances.
This year you theory and Theory don't have to deal
with that, so hopefully that means it comes. Plus, I
think just the fan reaction and the momentum means that
(51:38):
that they'll get it out quicker.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
And not trying to spoil anything for you, l Q.
They hadn't renewed, like it aired Thursday night, and at
that point in time, the big story was like there's
season three has not been renewed, and I think for
me that added to it because I was like, wait
is the whole time, I'm like, is this it?
Speaker 1 (51:57):
And like it well without saying anything if that is?
If that is it, I'm actually okay with the way
it finished. I'm okay with it.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
There at a point now where it could go in
twenty different directions, like everyone is trying to figure out
online and I love reading all the theories, but Ben
Steeler could just snap his finger and be like I
want to take it this way and it would make sense.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah, but if they decided to never, if they decided
ever to never do another episode, I think the way
it ended was was pitch perfect.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
So shout out.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Ben Stiller was tweeting about the Knicks from the oscars
like he's the man. True, that is very true.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
So so yeah, we look forward to you, lakwan gonna
go through it. Maybe we'll just dedicate a portion of the.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Show to you.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yeah, the third segment should be Lakwan watching Severance. That's
what it should be.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
By the times. Bringy listens to this pod, chow already.
I watch episode four, but I'm gonna pretend and act
like I didn't watch it because I'm gonna watch as
soon as I get offer this.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
You've just blown your own cover.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
Hype me up, it's over.
Speaker 4 (53:04):
I need to hurry up and get to the season binale.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
You've also just blown your own cover. I Sabrina, I
had nothing to do with this. My hands are clean through.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
I would say, enjoy the ride like it is amazing.
It is legitimately one of my top five favorite shows
of all time. I believe so like love you, babe, but.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
I gotta watch it, Sabrina. We told him not to.
I'm just letting you know. So all right, that's a
good spot for us to take a break for this
one stick around.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
We'll be back with you on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
We'll talk a little bit of NFL Draft, kind of
get some of these first round names and dive into that,
and then also we'll have our the update of our
Rookie QB Fantasy bracket as well too. The first round
will be over, so we'll up at you on the second. Well,
do you know I've not even seen the results yet,
so I have no respect. Now we'll get into it respect.
So that means that means bon Nick's lost. That's I'm
(53:55):
just gonna.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
I'm gonna put that out there right now. Bo Nick's
probably lost to r G. Three'll dive into it on Thursday,
I mean, got to do it for this edition of
the NFL Fantasy Football podcast, The Happy, Safe and Healthy,
Do Good and Live well. Wait for your wife before
you watch severance, and we'll talk to you on Thursday
Wow, everybody, It's Tuesday, March twenty fifth, twenty twenty five.
Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
We enjoy choreography and merriment.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
To me and your man, MG Marcus Grant, joined by
Michael Florio and Lakwan Jones.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We may talk some severance later on in this show
that for you. Look, I know you just started. You
literally just started the show like yesterday. Just hold on,
hold on to that bit to you get to the
part that's appropriate.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I'm trying. I have no idea. It's like literally nothing.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It will happen when you least expect it. Trust me.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
That's all I'm gonna say. But maybe we'll get to
that a little bit later on in the show. We
can dive into that, get Lakwan's early thoughts on severance.
But we are going to talk some bounce back candidates,
some guys who did not play well last year, whether
it was inury, whether it was just you know, they stunk,
what have you, and whether or not we think those
guys can maybe rebound in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
But you're gonna start with a few news headlines.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
There are some Newsy type things that have gone on
around the NFL. Najee Harris was a Pittsburgh Steeler and
now he is a Los Angeles Charger, and he talked
to a friend of the program and one time NFL
Fantasy podcast producer Chris Hayry, saying that the Steelers quote
didn't have any identity on offense Florida, I started.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
A question on the rundown. I don't even know where
to go with it.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
It just says what's the biggest and I just I
was I was trying to kind of figure out where
to go exactly what the question, because I think in retrospect,
they were sort of right right like he's sort of
right after the the heyday of kind of that Killer
B group, right when they had Ben and they had
Antonio Brown, they had Leveon Bell. They haven't really truely
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had an identity because at the end you had sort
of an old, worn down Ben Roethlisberger. I mean, he
had Nagie Harris, who was I guess productive, but you
didn't have any real playmaking wide receivers. It does feel
like they didn't have an identity. And now I'm sitting
here looking at this roster and I'm like, I still
don't know if they have an identity. I mean I don't,
(02:23):
and I'm wondering if that's part of what our hesitation
is right now when it comes to drafting any Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
I think they've had an identity and and it's the
fact that, like they don't have a quarterback right, like, oh,
Mike Tomlin could take whatever quarterback you give him to
the off, like to the playoffs, like when that is
the biggest talking point every year and it still is
right now, like is it gonna be Rogers, is it
gonna be Ross or who knows who it's gonna be.
Like when when the face of your team is your
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head coach, that isn't great unless it's college basketball or
something like that. But but yeah, like it's their identity
should be their top two wide receivers, like you have DK,
you have Pickings, a great one two punch in real
life field stretchers, exciting players that it's easy for fans
to get hyped up for. But you need to get
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someone that could get them the ball. And like I
was listening to NFL radio yesterday and my car and
they were like, yeah, well maybe Aaron Rodgers, Like you know,
nothing really went right in New York and it was dysfunctional,
And I'm like, yeah, but everything was by why Let's
let's let's focus on the reasons why things were to
dysfunctional and didn't go right in New York. But and
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now you're gonna bring a year older.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We're all trying to find the guy who did this.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It's like it just doesn't make sense. And I made
the joke a couple of weeks ago, like it feels
to me like the Steelers offseason is just spinning a
wheel and being like, Okay, Tomlin, you're gonna take this
quarterback to the playoffs now. But like it, it's just
another stop gap. It's another kicking the can down the road.
A year or two from now, you're gonna be in
the same exact spot that you want.
Speaker 1 (04:01):
So yeah, to your point though about sort of kicking
the can down the road, because I agree that seems
to be what the Steelers are doing. I would submit
to you that it's very similar to potentially what the
Giants would be doing if they decide not to draft
say Shud or Sanders or cam Ward if it just happened.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
To come to that.
Speaker 1 (04:20):
The differences I think the Giants are maybe in a
better spot, Like if they decide, hey, look we're gonna
just go with Jamis and like a third round quarterback, right,
I would feel like they're in a better spot than
the Steelers because at least the Giants have bottomed out.
The Giants have bottomed out to the point that they
can get a high draft pick, or they can.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Maybe stockpile picks.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
The Steelers, I've said this before, are sort of in
NFL purgatory, which is the worst place to be because
they're good enough to make the playoffs. Nobody thinks that
they're a real true Super Bowl contender, but they're also
they're not bottomed out. They're not bad enough to get
a high draft pick. I mean, what are they picking,
like nineteen, I think it is twenty one. They're picking
twenty one this year, and that's kind of where they
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tend to hang out, somewhere in the.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
Late team's early twenties.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So you're not getting one of those potential franchise changing prospects.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
I've it. It just seems to be a bad situation.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
I know that, you know, nobody wants to be bad,
and I'm sure there's a spot of pride for Mike
Tomlin and the I've never had a.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Losing season thing.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
But at this point, what is it accomplishing just being
good enough to make the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Like it doesn't do anything for you anymore.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
I mean, like you said, they're not getting in those
top prospects that they desperately need sometimes to honestly go
out there to make their identity more known and more established.
And like Naji taking shots, I mean, honestly, wow, I
did not expect that, you know, coming from them, but
it was more so of like he's telling the truth.
There is no identity right now. And without them having
a quarterback, you basically have a big body wide receiver
(05:58):
in DK and r Shnati and Pickens, but you have
nobody else to bring them to their extra loute peaks.
So until that happens, I mean, we're gonna have to
make some moves. I mean, Roethlisberger was an eleventh overall pick.
It's been a while. It's one two thousand and four.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Long time, especially bad being in the AFC, because at
least if you're in the NFC, you could convince yourself
like all we got to do is get in and
then maybe we can, like the Giants beat the Vikings
a couple years ago, right, but literally every year they
get in, it's like the seventh seed. They're playing the
Ravens or the Bills. Yeah, good luck.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That's the thing is that you've got to figure out
how to beat some combination of the Ravens, Bills, Chiefs,
maybe the Bengals if they figure it out. You know,
like you just got to figure out how to deal
with multiple of those teams. And it's just a lot,
just asking a lot. Other piece of news, Brandon Cooks
is rejoining New Orleans Saints. They drafted him in the
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first round. We back in the year twenty fourteen. All right,
well your reaction tells me everything I need to know.
So Florio and he hopes for he bounce back for
Brandon Coots this year.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Nah, it's it's over. This is like a cool real
life thing, like he goes back where it started. I
made a joke that their playbook is just going to
be the bomb from NFL Blitz, where all running downfield
because him, Shaheed and a Lave all kinds of the
same skill set in that manner. But yeah, better, I
think this is a more fun real life signing. No
(07:24):
no fantasy relevance here.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
I mean, I guess they could have them all running downfield.
Maybe they should have a different quarterback, like they they
don't have the quarterback in place.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Just have Taysom Hill chucking it.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
They could have had Jameis Winston come back to New
Orleans and then he could have he could have run
that offense for them, But Derek Carr is not the
guy to be running that offense.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
Saints just every day they free, they straight further and
further from God's light.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Like I have no idea what they're doing down there.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Sure, Uh speaking guys, remember that.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, it's real for some, it's real for me.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Dammit, that bill comes due. It's just a matter of
when you want to pay.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
I think that's the more I think that's the more
accurate phrase, that the bill always comes due. The salary
cap can be manipulated to a point and after a
while you're gonna feel the pain a little bit.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
And I think that's very much where the Saints are
right now.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Speaking of bounce back, so we're gonna talk some bounce
back guys. A handful of players who disappoints it in
twenty twenty four, whether or not they can get back
to our fantasy good graces in twenty twenty five. That's
coming up after a break on the NFL Fantasy Football Pod.
So always interesting to talk about guys who were frustrating
for various reasons one season, whether or not they can
(08:42):
be unfrustrating the following season.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
So we've got nine guys nine, one, two, three, four, five, six,
seventy nine to nine.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Guys who were underwhelming in twenty twenty four for a
myriad of reasons, and whether or not they can get
better in twenty twenty five. The first one, and this
is the one we talkalked about in our text chain
that kind of spawned to this idea for this, this category,
this topic.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Christian McCaffrey, the quant I'm gonna start.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
Let you start this because I know this, This brings
you joy, This brings you gleed and talk about this.
I would say that a big part of the frustration
with Christian McCaffrey wasn't about McCaffrey himself. It was more
frustration with the forty nine ers who sort of strung everybody.
Speaker 2 (09:27):
Along for a really long time.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Right you know, oh, you know, we're monitoring it. He's
working out. We're just gonna wait to see that everything's okay.
Getting married. He's getting married. Like but it was just
like all these things that you know, we were all
cautiously optimistic, right he was falling in drafts.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
But we were still drafting him.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
People were rostering him, holding on to him, waiting for
the moment, and it just kept playing out. I think
finally when we heard reports that he went to Germany
to get like, you know, special tests and everything, that
was when the panic I think started to set in.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
For a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, he comes back, he plays a few games, he
gets hurt again, he's out for the rest of the year.
I know he's had injuries in his past, that's been
a big part of his story throughout his career. But
when healthy, he is still one of the best all
around backs in the NFL. We saw in our mock
draft a couple of weeks ago he fell to the
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eighth spot of the second round.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
I mean, at that point to eight, you can't you
can't pass on Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
Can you. No, absolutely not. That that's a huge discount.
Like I think he may return on that ADP. If
he stays healthy, I think he might crush it. It's
more so if you're willing to buy into that risk
of him re injuring himself because he's getting up there
in age and the workload is high for him. Like
he may take a step back in somewhat of the
(10:55):
workload this year because you do have a you know,
a healthy Grendo behind him that can handle that workload.
I still think we get a Christian McCaffrey like season
is just not going to be at the absolute like
he's RB one, he's the number one pick, Like he's
going to be in that bunch of like the Breist Halls,
you know, the Derrick Henry's where they're still going to
have those high ceiling, you know weeks, they're going to
(11:16):
be performing at high levels. I just think that we
might see a less workload from him this season, and
people shouldn't be mad at that. Just take the discount
and obviously resecure yourself with a handcuff. Can't be Jordan
Mason no more so, you need to get Grendo, which
his ADP might get pulled up, but we'll see. I mean,
Shanahan likes running backs like I kind of feel like
it's guaranteed he's going to draft a running back from
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this draft class, being that it's so deep, and you know,
there's plenty out there that could fit his system. There's
plenty of guys that can do what Christian McCaffrey could do,
but just not at the Christian McCaffrey level that we
known in love. It's just more so he needs help now.
And I think if the forty nine ers realize that,
they'll get the maximum effort out of them.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Man, I'm with you one. I think they draft a
running back.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
I think they have eleven picks in this so I
mean they have a chance to stock up at a
few different positions to either find potentially frontline starters or
help for some of their current frontline starters.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
I mean, look, Florio two eight seems like a drastic
fall for McCaffrey.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
Like, I just don't see that happening, I think, especially
once we get more people into the pool drafting teams.
But are you willing to take a first round shot
on him at this point?
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Probably not. And I know people might be like, but
you're the dude who for years was like, this guy's
not injury prone. It's different injuries. And I know last
year technically was he had the achilles tendon that held
him out, and then it was a knee injury after that.
But the Achilles injury is what scares me so much
because that is one that it's a career ender, especially
(12:51):
for running back this age. So I have a lot
of concerns there, But I think his ceiling is the
best player in fantasy because, like I do think they're
gonna draft a running back, but Shanahan has shown us
many times that, like if you were his number one,
he's like, they have a lot of running backs there,
not because they they like to share this field at
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the same time or anything like that. It's like, all right,
one goes down, you're up next. But like when you're
the guy, you're gonna get a ton of volume. And
CMC is the best dual threat running back I believe
in the history of the NFL. So like, yeah, he's
gonna be amazing if he stays healthy. But twenty nine
years old, and it's really the type of injury that
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he had last year. It was one that we kept
hearing like he might have to manage this the rest
of his career and stuff. So that's what scares me.
But if I could get him in like the early
second round, I'm cool with doing so first round. It
would depend if I'm in the late first round and
I'm like, I'll like the players that like will fall
back to me. Sure, maybe i can be convinced to
(13:56):
take him there, but I'm not doing it when like
Gibbs or be If I want a running back, I'm
going those guys in the middle of.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
The first or something like that over him.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Achilles tendonitis, which is, you know, one we don't hear
about a lot normally, is just a guy just tears
his achilles tendon and you know, there's surgery, there's rehab, whatever.
This was one where there was nothing ever torn, and
he kept trying to work out and he was rehabbing
and it just never really truly got right, and eventually
he just had to sit down for the rest of
the season. Yeah, I think he's gonna be an interesting
(14:25):
test case because I think for a lot of us
we're gonna wait on him.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Maybe he falls into the second round.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
I think when you get you know, more casual folks drafting,
I think he still goes probably mid first round at worst,
because everybody's gonna be like, why is Christian You know,
you'll be at the sixth slot, You'll be like, why
is Christian McCaffrey still here? And then like he's gonna
be right, and he's gonna get drafted. That's what's gonna happen.
It's gonna happen.
Speaker 4 (14:50):
Lakua.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
You mentioned Breeze Hall, right, You talked about McCaffrey sort
of slotting more along the lines of Breeze Hall. And
I'm sitting here and I'm looking at Breeze Hall's numbers
in his career right. Unfortunately, remember year one he got injured,
played just seven games, so that one was sort of
a wash. Comes back and gets nine hundred and ninety
four rushing yards in year two, last year eight hundred
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and seventy six rushing yards. And I'm thinking about this
in terms of Garrett Wilson, right, where Garrett Wilson had
a ton of hype and a ton of excitement, and
fantasy folks still love Garrett Wilson, and we're willing to
maybe take that first round shot on Garrett Wilson.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
And I think it was U Laquim, Maybe it's you
Florida who was.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Just like, we're kind of like, why are we still
doing this with Garrett Wilson, Like maybe he's over high
there you so.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
Can we start to say the same thing about Breece Hall.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
This is hard because I'm a huge fan of Breese Hall.
So therefore, like it's not that I'm not a huge
fan of Garrett Wilson, but he might be falling.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
That's why I'm asking That's why I'm asking you this question.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
He might be like falling near that.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
And it's more so of like the first year injury
definitely just took the win out of a lot of
fantasy folks and myself, and that second year was like,
all right, this is what we're doing. And then we
see them draft Braylan Allen and then the usage was
kind of questionable. It's like what the heck is going
on in New York? Like do they not know what
they have? They have the Ferrari, they got a viper,
they got a classic here ready to go. But it's
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more so it's like the offensive just scheme than just
how they're trying to work him. With Braylan Allen, it
is frustrating, So he might be getting a little overhyped
into the draft area. He might be living in that
back and in the first round, but I feel more
comfortable in that early second round taking him because it's
like that first round, I need a wide receiver. There's
too many good ones there and you got guys like
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Puka and Davonte Adams that might fall back in that area.
I just feel as though he he just needs to
be at the right price for me to feel comfortable
with him, for him to hit that actual blue high,
cause there's games he had like thirty one points in
there that's definitely on the table for him if they
use him, if the game is you know, going the
way accordingly, which I think they should get a little
bit more offensive, you know, opportunities with justin fields. It's
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just that his price needs to be where it's at,
like in that second round ballpark. I don't think we
should be putting him in the first round anymore.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Florio Breese Hall is Joe Mixon tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I think there's more upside with bres Hall. But you're
not wrong in the production category, Like not only did
he never run for a thousand yards, he's never had
double digit touchdowns rushing or receiving combined like and that
to me is the biggest thing is in year two
it made sense where it was like they're not giving
him the goal on work because he's coming off of
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this this knee injury. They're they're like worried about his
health and everything. But in year three they did the
same thing, and it was Braylen Allen often coming in
and I forget who there RB three was down the
stretch who was stealing goal on touches away as well,
but they it was just really frustrating. And when we
did Fantasy Live at the end of the year, we
were talking to is Breece Hall in RB one, like
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that was the conversation we were having. Then we do
our mocks, he's going as a top five running back
in the first round. Still I'm out at that price. Yeah,
I don't even love him in the beginning of the
second round, Like I think middle second round, I'm totally
in there because he has the upside to be top five.
But it's a lot like what I said with Wilson
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last week, like we're we keep elevating him to a
level he's never been at before, and that's what we're
doing with Breece Hall. Like the idea of the Jets
are so much better than the reality of the Jets,
and we play in a reality world, so it all
comes down to cost. But at if they're going anywhere
in the first round either of the two Jets, I'm out.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Are you taking mccafrey ahead of Breee?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
No, no, no, you're not taking You're not You're not
taking mccafrey ahead.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Of bree Hall.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
That's really close for me.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
I'm still taking Breeze because I feel like there's still
me in the bones there for him, Like the tape
isn't matching. The no numbers aren't matching tape. That's the situation,
Like we know his ceiling could be so high. It's
just it's not him physically not being able to get there.
It's what the Jets are doing to him. Like it
doesn't make sense why draft Braylan Allen last year, and
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like you said, two years ago, it made sense why
he wasn't getting the goal line where we don't want
him broken he's the future. But here we are in
year three. It's like, dude, are you going to unleash
the beasts? He needs all the targets he needs all
the goal line in red zone work. He can handle it.
He's shown this, so it's like, what are we doing?
Speaker 1 (19:33):
But there's so much unknown in New York versus known
in San Francisco, right.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
And if we're talking ceiling, I don't think I don't
think anyone has a higher ceiling. Like literally, we've seen
cmc be the best fantasy running back.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Like ever, but this is the most beat up we've
seen him ever. Like this is a huge red flag.
The floor is safer for Breese.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
Yes, yeah, I think that's fair. I just when McCaffrey won.
We've seen him do it. We know who's calling the plays,
we know who's running the offense there, and there's still
a lot of pieces that are similar to what they
were in the past. Meanwhile, with the Jets, new head coach,
new oc, new quarterback, there's just so much unknown there
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that I think I'd.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Rather have McCaffrey over Breeze Hall. I don't know. Maybe
maybe that's me being a homer.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
I could be convinced, for sure.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
I was about to say, we got we got to
keep iron this out.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
There's me being a homer, and yeah, but but I
think I'd rather have.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Him, because I feel like if you're taking a risk,
shoot for the moon and scare money, don't make money,
and see him sees the moon.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah, I don't think Breeze Hall is the moon, Like
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
I don't think because I don't think their offenses are good.
Speaker 4 (20:49):
I think he's safer, that's all.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
That's how.
Speaker 4 (20:51):
That's my take on. He's safer to where I could
sleep at night. And then it's like, now I got
to play the backup running back for the forty nine
or Sweet States on the waiver war, Like these are
real fears.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
You're gonna play that anyway?
Speaker 1 (21:04):
You were all about Jordan Mason, so you were already played,
You already bought that. You had already bought that lottery ticket,
so like why not.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yeah, I'm speaking for the general fantasy players out there,
like I understand those fears and those those headaches of
like I got to run to the waiver wire to
spend mad fab or I got to be the first
come serve in my league because my league mats are
freaking vulture. Like It's one of those things that those
are stressful about a fantasy football, Like I have a
friend that sucks at the waiver war.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
He hates the waiver wire because he can't get.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
The players he wants at the time he wants to
do it in our league, gets first come serve and
he hates it and he doesn't want to play anymore.
So I just get the understanding of the frustrations of
jumping to the waiver wire.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
I guess as I'm thinking about it here, it's like
the risk reward is is CMC's floor is he he's
hurt and he's not playing. The ceiling is he could
be the best running back. The issue with Breese is
we've seen him stay healthy and thes and RB two.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Yeah, you know what, maybe Gary Wilson, maybe Chris o'roby.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
We didn't kick this around a little bit more too.
As the the off season goes along.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
He needs to go in that bag of what bag
of what you call it? Marcus?
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Him and fields though, could be so much fun together.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
Oh the was it the satchel of discontent? Yes, the
Satchel of discontent? Where we're going, Jeff fans live in
that satchel. They man, They've got their names embroidered on it.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
A whole nine.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
It's great you mentioned Gary Wilson, you mentioned Chrys o'lave
Speaking of Ohio State receivers.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Marvin Harrison Junior, he.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
Was supposed to be the can't miss, like, oh my goodness,
work taking him first round?
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Like just how hi are you gonna take him? Like
there's no way things are gonna go wrong.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
Until he gives you sixty two catches for eight hundred
and eighty five yards and a very quiet eight touchdowns.
I about to say that was super quiet, a very
quiet eight touchdowns.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
So I mean, Florio, was this a Marvin Harrison issue?
Speaker 1 (23:01):
Was this a Kyler Murray issue? Was this a Drew
Petsing issue? What exactly went sideways? And you know, are
things going to get better next year?
Speaker 3 (23:16):
I think it's a combination of all of that. Like
I do think Kyler Murray as much as I want
him to be awesome and everything, like, I think he
struggles to get the most out of his wide receivers.
He's always been someone that's been better at targeting tight ends.
He's good at targeting his running backs and his slot receivers.
Good George X. He's out wied X. He's not the best, right,
(23:41):
So so that works against Marvin Harrison. I also think,
and I'm very guilty of this because I was pushing
him up to be a wide receiver one, even though
I had him behind Elak Neighbors at this time last year.
I think we all overestimated him a little bit and
thought he would come in and be an immediate difference
maker and one thing like go. I went back and
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looked at some of the stuff I wrote at this
time last year about him, and it was like, he
can win out like downfield, He's contested catches, all of that.
He's not great after the catch. He's a little bit
more limited than you would want. And true like alpha
wide receiver to be like Chase Jefferson. These guys could
win anyway. Harrison isn't at that level yet, and I
think we push It's something I was saying the other
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day with neighbors, Like, to me, there's elite wide receivers
that can win no matter who the quarterback is, and
there's like four or five of those guys in the NFL.
And then there's elite wide receivers that like, are very good,
but they need good quarterback play as well. And I
think that's Harrison's ceiling.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
I mean it's the argument, right, it's you know, in baseball,
it is starting pictures like eight number one pictures, number
one starters versus aces, right, And yeah, and Marvin Harrison
at least through year one, you know, he's definitely not
an ace. And I think we're still trying to figure
out if he's even a number one starter, If he's
a number one wide receiver, it's.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
A great, a great comparison, I think.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
You know, I think that's what we're trying to find
out right now. I think some of.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
It did have to do with Kyler maybe not being
aggressive and trying to force the ball to him, which
is sort of wild when you look at the wide
receivers on that roster. Greg Dortch notwithstanding, I mean, but look,
I mean who else was really I mean, you know,
we like Michael Wilson as like a deep sleeper, kind
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of a late, you know, end of draft sort of guy.
Even Greg Dortch, even Greg Dortsch, I mean, even your
even your wildest expectations of him. Lakwan, he was a
late round pick, probably more of a waiver wire sort
of guy. I mean, yeah, Trey McBride had a very
good season despite having just two touchdowns at some point,
if you're Kyler Murray.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
Aren't you trying to get the ball to your playmaker?
Speaker 1 (25:51):
You know, we I know we had a lot of
fun with the It's not my job to get Marvin
Harrison targets. Uh, yeah it is. Yes, it's one hundred
percent of your job. You are the quarterback. You're the
one who delivers the football. So some of it I
think was a Kyler Murray thing. I think some of
it is if you're Drew Pettsing, you've got to find
some creative ways to get your guy the ball. And
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laquant I mean you can speak to this as a
Rams fan, like, yes, Cooper cup is very talented, and yes,
Pooka Toakua is very talented, but also they have a
coach that goes out of his way to make sure
he gets those guys open so that Matthew Stafford can
deliver them the football. And I think that was something
of what was missing last.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
Year with Marvin Harrison, and I blame that towards the
offensive coordinator, Drew Petsing. And I say that just respectfully,
is like you have Marvin Harrison is the he's your gym,
he's your gold guy. He's your ex y receiver. You
feed him the ball, and that's kind of not what
we've seen consistently through the season. Because Week one you
see Greg Dortch go off because he is his most
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reliable wide receiver. That chemistry is there. We saw that work,
and then the Rams game you see him force fed,
he blows up, and then he's quiet for another two
three games after that, and it's like, why can't this
remain consistent in the game plan that he's your number
one kyler him needs to get the most chemistry built
at each other because he's your most lethal weapon. Michael
Wilson's not going to do it. Trade McBride can't always
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be your security blanket because pretty soon they're going to
find a way to bobble him up, and then you're
left with somebody that is still trying to develop this
chemistry with this type of offense with your quarterback. I
think he can raise his level this season. I think
everything that we're saying, everything that we're pointing out, they're
going to go in the lab and try to cook
something up, and Marvin Harrison is going to perform to
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the level that we had expectations for year one, because
it's not like he had a terrible rookie season. It
just wasn't as high as our expectation. So if we
take a step back and they recalculate, I think we
should be able to have like some type of value
in Marvin Harrison and where he's going in drafts.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Is he a top two receiver from his class?
Speaker 4 (27:53):
Is he a top two wide receiver from his class
at this moment?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
No? Can he be? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (28:00):
But right now no, yeah, I agree with that. No,
Right now it's it's Malik Neighbors and.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
He was like the un heralded can't miss one at
this time last year.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Yeah, no, right, and right now it's it's Milik Neighbors
and Brian Thomas Junior.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
It was going at like one to eleven in redrafts
and like crazy heights of like bestball leagues, like people were, and.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
I thought it was worth it. It was swinging a miss.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah yeah again, like it's not. The book's not closed.
We just we need we need to rewrite for the
next chapter. The next chapter.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Patrick Mahomes. It was a frustrating season.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Funny thing about Patrick Mahomes from last.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Maybe not about Mahomes, but about us.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Is that whatever people talked about Patrick Mahomes last season,
and I know we did this on NFL Fantasy Live.
I'm pretty sure we did this on this show, is
that we always sort of threw in the asterisk of.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Mahomes playing pretty well in real football.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
This is just a fantasy take, like like that was
always it, right, whenever we had the what's wrong with
Patrick m'hos, there was always the no. I mean, we
get it, he's playing really well, but but you know,
fantasy probably wouldn't start him this week. Florio is somebody
who wrote about him a lot in Stardham Sidham who
actually had to write to sit Patrick Mahomes on occasion.
(29:15):
Was last year a Patrick Mahomes problem? Or was it
just the inevitable part of the Chiefs not really getting
their wide receiver position right?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
I think it's option three. They just weren't healthy. Like
I was really excited for what they could have been
with Rashieve Rice, Marquise Brown and Xavier Worthy, and Rashie
Rice lasted a month. Marquise Brown was taken from US
before the season started, and Xavier Worthy then was put
into a much larger role and then they lose Isaiah Pacheco.
(29:48):
So they bring in Kareem Hunt, you bring in DeAndre Hopkins.
Their offense winked from what we hoped could be like
the fastest offense they had since Tyreek Hill to a
bunch of aging vets who were plottered, and you need
to kind of just control the clock, trust your defense.
And I think his season was a result of the
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Chiefs roster as a whole, like of quarterbacks who threw
the ball four hundred times last year, Mahomes had the
lowest are yards per target like we saw in the
Super Bowl. He could still heave the ball sixty five
yards on a dime if if he wants so. I
think this year, with the same receiving court, hopefully being
healthy and staying intact for the season, he could not
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only do I think he can get right, I think
he can get back to his elite Fantasy days, which
is why I have him as my QB six after
the Big Top five, and why I think I'm going
to be one of the Patrick Mahomes people in Fantasy.
I know on this show I already am, but I
think I'm gonna be one of the biggest defenders of
him in Fantasy and I hate that for me because
he has cost me more pain than anyone say, he's
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still amazing, you know, like he just needs that deep
ball back in his game and he has the guys
that if they're hell, you can.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Get that back. Lukwan.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
Does it bother you that they don't really have any
size at wide receiver?
Speaker 2 (31:06):
I know the whole goal is just to have speed, right,
and that was the whole plan.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
A couple of short kings here.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I'm not talking about life, I'm talking about football, right, Like,
does it bother you that? Like, I mean, right now,
Rashid Rice is well he's six to one, Like he's
their biggest receiver at six to one.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
I don't think they need speed. When you have somebody
the captain of this ship of Patrick Mahomes, he could
throw you open. And when you have guys that could
separate in career after the catch. This is where Rashid
Rice was missing last season. He would have just upped
that number up. And I think, you know, Xavier Worthy
having a year on her belt, we can get a
lot more out of Patrick Mahomes. I'm just not putting
him at QB six. I am a believer on this
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podcast and we will go down in history for going
back and forth with Mahomes about Nicks. But more so
looking at it, like I think he could be a
lot better than what he was last season. Would have
healthy offense. I think that's just a given because he
had to work with what he had. And it's more
so of like, hey, he did a pretty decent job
to work with what he had. He could have been
completely worse, he could have been completely off the fantasy radars,
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but there were some weeks that you still were able
to have some type of confidence of having him in
your starting lineup. So the short kings, it don't matter.
He going and get the ball and he gonn ball out.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
I mean twenty six passing touchdowns for Patrick Mahomes last year,
which is tied with a career low from twenty nineteen,
when he also only played fourteen games.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Yeah, we have yet to mention Travis Kelsey either. I mean,
I'm not expecting much from this season. I'm expecting more
wide receiver work. I feel like this is a plus
if you're going to be buying into Xavier Worthy and
you know Rashid Rice and etc.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Yeah, he's not going to be the target dominator this
year that he has been in the past playoffs maybe
maybe maybe, but even that's not a guarantee. Like, I
don't I don't think he dominates the target. So that
does mean there's more opportunity for some of the wide
receivers in the building.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
So that's that's kinna be interesting thing to watch about
as well.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Michael Pittman Junior another disappointment. I don't know, florio with
the quarterbacks that are competing against each other, it's a rap.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yeah, it's over.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Like I don't think we need to spend a lot
of time on this, right, Like, it's just it's just
what it is.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Completion rate. His best receivers is probably Alec Pierce, and
I think if Daniel Jones wins the job, he loves
the slot. He made Waldall Robinson fantasy relevant. That's what's
calling just downs. So like Michael Pittman Junior just feels
like a loser here. He's great, he's a real life winner,
but for fantasy.
Speaker 1 (33:43):
This is not This is not a judgment on his character.
This is on the situation.
Speaker 3 (33:47):
Yeah, I felt mean saying that nobody's gonna clip that's
a loser. And then he's gonna stuff me in a
locker or something like that.
Speaker 1 (33:55):
I'm just I'm waiting for it to get to the
other Mike Florio who makes a whole post about it
on his website and then it becomes a whole thing
that's gonna be great. Yeah, we're team MF half over here.
Speaker 2 (34:06):
It's fine, don't there we go.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
Loser may be someone else, but not Michael Pittman.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Jun there it is. I put Dalton Kind on this list.
I don't know interesting. Really, I think he is.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I think what we saw like last year, he made
it better this year than what he was last year.
But I'm starting to think that he's not gonna be
the guy that I wanted him to be coming out
of college.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
But maybe you maybe you disagreed. Look on, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
I think it would be serviceable. He will live in
that David Nijoku tier, like he'll be down there. I
don't feel like I could put him with the Kittles
and Andrews and stuff like that. But it's just because
of Joe Brady, to be honest, Like, everybody's gonna eat.
And I definitely think they're going to be getting some
wide receivers that can help him out with that deep ball,
because obviously Donkin can help with that and catch that
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one deep ball, but it's more so that was what
was lacking. So if we fix Josh Allen, you know,
with his deep ball where he suffered at because Matt
Collins definitely was not the answer to that. He just
needs a more of a supporting cast, more distractions, and
then I think Darcy Cade can get more up.
Speaker 1 (35:11):
At the end of last season, Florida, are you were
ready to scrap him to a shopping cart and roll
him down the biggest still you could find?
Speaker 2 (35:20):
You have you calmed down a little bit about it?
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Yeah? I thought it was very telling that both the
GMN head coach came out after the season and where
like he needs to put on more muscle. But even
more than that, they've come out and they've said, like
his knee injury was more severe than they let on.
And who knows, that could be coach talk, that could
be trying to tamper expectations and stuff, but it at
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least gives some reason to be cause like, he wasn't
the same guy last year, even that he was in
that stretch when he was a rookie, when he looked phenomenal,
so like maybe he could get back to that, but
I'm done paying that high fantasy price. Like I agree
where LQ was placing him, But like in our mack
the other day, you went, you went ahead of Hockinson
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and Kelsey and I forget who else, And I was like, yeah,
at that price, I'll just keep waiting. Yikes.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, if you going ahead, I'm not taking him ahead
of Hawkinson.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
Like I got my thing with Hawk but.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Yeah, and I'm not even totally sure I would take
him ahead of Kelsey either.
Speaker 4 (36:21):
No, like he's a great player, but it's more so
the reality of the situation system, the distractions, the lack
of distractions. Like most tight ends, they need that supporting
cast to actually be on Palmer Baby there there man.
Hopefully stay's consistent. But I do love that signing for you, guys,
(36:42):
Josh Palmer. Man, he's a baller, but it's just come on, brother,
stay consistent.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
I mean, the Bills need one dude who can just
run win sprints.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Apparently that's a Josh Palmer's his role in the offense now,
So uh C J. Stroud, I mean, is it just
as simple as saying that if he gets an offensive line,
he comes line. I mean that is that just that's
the beginning, middle and end. Just fixed the offensive line
in Houston.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
But it got worse. They were no good old lineman
and they were like here you go, Jade and Daniels,
their best.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
O linemen that performed as for PFF outperformed them by miles.
And then you get rid of him and it's like, whoa,
who do we doing? What's the next move? Like the
other you gonna fall? Like what's the joke?
Speaker 1 (37:27):
And I, I mean I get it, Lorette right, Like
you know, Larimie Tunseel might not have been at his
bet like last year might not have been his best season,
but he was still the best offensive lineman that you had.
He was the best one that you had by far,
and you've moved on from him, so I don't know.
I mean, right now, the wide receiver room is Nico
Collins and injured Tank Dell and Christian.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Kirk and they're picked twenty five like you would get
a starting caliber old lineman. But the ones that could
be Laramie tunsel or all gone at that.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Point, all gone. It's the mystery box. It could be anything.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
It could even be Laramie Tunzel, who knows. Yeah, I
mean I do, like I think that is that's the beginning, middle,
and end with CJ.
Speaker 2 (38:13):
Shroud.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
If they can find someone to protect him five find
five someonees to protect him, then I think you see
something closer to that rookie season.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Even then, I'm still not sure because.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Some of it was I mean, he had a huge
average depth of target in that first year, sometimes because
they found themselves in really high scoring games and he
sort of had to throw the ball a lot, and
I don't know if that's going to be the case.
They're better defensively. They have a running game now in
Joe Mixon.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
Who's able to work behind terrible line. So that's fine.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, I mean, but so maybe, I mean there is
there is a strain of the multiverse where CJ. Shroud
just never gets back to that rookie year again.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
No, I've kind of accepted it to there's just too
many issue shoes and more so, it's like, I think
we need a price check on Nico Collins as well,
because talking to my friends, they're like, yeah, first round lock, yeah,
like one ten, one eleven, one twelve, and and I
think in our mock he kind of went in that
early second round. It's like, what if you know, c J.
(39:16):
Strout ends up taking a step back further because O
Line has taken a huge step back further as well.
So it's like, I'm not sure how I feel about
taking Nico Collins if c J. Strout's not going to
be able to get back. Yeah, now I think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Uh yeah, I mean I last year I wasn't really
in on the draft prize for Nico Collins. I think
I sort of got dragged into it because everybody else
seems so excited about it and Las yea, look last year.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
He paid it off.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I'm not gonna you know, I'm not gonna knock him.
I just don't know if that happens again this year,
we'll see.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Cloya.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
I think I'm I'm done with Travis Etn. I don't
know about you. I think you and I and I
think just because Tink Bigsby is real and I don't
know that he's going away, like, I just I don't.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Think I can get in on Travis Etn anymore.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah. Like, And the thing the scary part is is
I think if you ask most people, they'd be like,
I don't know what happened with Travis Etn. He was
so good prior to last year and was he Like
when you really start to look at his last two seasons,
they're pretty similar. Like the success rate was actually better
last year than it was two years ago. The yards
(40:25):
per attempt are nearly identical. He was worse as a
pass catcher last year, that's one big thing. But it
was just volume, right, Like he had one hundred and
seventeen less touches last year, carries last year than he
did the year prior, and a lot less goal line worked.
Like so he's one of these backs that I think
he got elevated beyond a point that he is because
(40:47):
he had so much volume and he had a high
touchdown rate. But we know you can't really rely on that,
and we saw that last year, like once he lost
some volume and the goal line touches, this was a
guy that was not usable fantasy. Like I was every
week being like yes Sid Travis Etn, Like if you're
gonna start either of these guys, I'd rather go with
Tank Bigsby and like it nothing's changed there, right, Like
(41:10):
Bigsby's still gonna be there. It's the same similar style offense.
I know Liam Cohen's coming in, and maybe that is
what gives people hope, but like it'd have to be
a pretty big discount, Like what round would you be
comfortable taking? Etn?
Speaker 2 (41:25):
Uh? Six seven?
Speaker 4 (41:33):
I think I'm comfortable with that six seven. But the
thing is it's gonna be nasty when I hit that button,
Like I'm not gonna no, it's more so of like,
all right, well, if that's what's living in those rounds,
I will probably hit the fourth to fifth round for
my running backs, I might double tap so I don't
(41:53):
have to deal with that tier, you know, because I
don't see much upside with Liam Cohen there, and there's
nothing that moved Needle. It's still Travis ETN. And you
still have Tank, Like Tank is real, like Marcus was saying,
like he was out there balling until some games he
fumbled his way out out of the starting job. But
it's like it happened, but it's just like they're going
to be a one to two punch regardless of how
(42:13):
you look at it.
Speaker 3 (42:14):
He was the middle of the fourth round in our
mock last week.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Actually, we need to redo it.
Speaker 2 (42:19):
Who did that?
Speaker 3 (42:20):
I can't I.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Can't do that. I'm sorry, I can't did that. I
think hippo laws. I think hippo laws prevents us from
saying the name of the person who drafted.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
Where was the pick? After MG, that's who did it?
Speaker 2 (42:32):
I think it wasn't it wasn't me.
Speaker 1 (42:33):
I can say that, but like I think, I think
it's a violation of hippo to tell who, uh who?
Speaker 2 (42:38):
Actually?
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Oh my for sure? Oh my?
Speaker 2 (42:40):
All right, last name on this list Kyle Pitts.
Speaker 3 (42:46):
Here we go, Like.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
This feels like the ultimate, Like I think I'm out
and then like the draft price is somehow gonna pull me.
But actually, I'm not gonna say that because I tend.
Speaker 2 (42:56):
To want to go early on my tight end.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Like I don't think I'm gonna have Kyle Pitts because
I think I'm already gonna have my tight end by
the time he comes up. But I guess if you're
not willing or or interested in going early, I guess
there's a world where you can talk yourself back into it.
Speaker 2 (43:10):
Huh.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah, I've already said, like I think for my tight
end approach, I'm gonna either get one of the early
guys or I'm gonna just wait and double dip. And
if that's where Kyle Pitts fits in, like I could
easily sell myself a story where like all right, getting
him as the tight end two when like the thirteenth round,
like there's upsite there. Pennis can't be as bad as
as Kirk Cousins was last year, right, But like, if
(43:33):
we get to a point where people are pulling up
Kyle Pitts as a tight end one.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
I'm out, uh lakwan does he get pulled up? So
you were finally in last year? You were finally in
on Kyle Pitts and then you know he did that.
Speaker 3 (43:48):
We dragged you in? What could have go wrong?
Speaker 2 (43:50):
You guys? Did you?
Speaker 3 (43:51):
Guys dragged me right into the train.
Speaker 4 (43:54):
I got real comfortable.
Speaker 2 (43:55):
Where are you on him? Now?
Speaker 4 (43:57):
I'm completely off the train, Fellas that train has left
the station and I'm still standing there, like, hey, it
was fun. It's been a ride. But Florio, is this
your any talking about Kyle.
Speaker 3 (44:06):
Pits like Cole Pits?
Speaker 4 (44:11):
Because this is insane.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
You know what the funny part is is I just
pulled up his one love the reference any Yes, mi
Amni has been tortured. I almost made something that would
have gave it away for you.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
But careful, my AENNI.
Speaker 3 (44:25):
Has been tortured by Kyle Pitts. But the funniest thing
in the world to me is I pulled up his
Pro Football Reference page and his nickname on the site
is unicorn.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (44:34):
I saw that the other day.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
A player who has ten total touchdowns in four career
seasons has to give that nickname up. And that to
me is the most frustrating part. Right, Like, Kyle Pitts
is huge. How can you not get him the ball
in the red zone? But for some reason they never could.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
Yeah, he's a horse. He's not a unicorn.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
He's just a horse.
Speaker 3 (44:57):
We need Matt Ryan to come out of retirement.
Speaker 2 (44:59):
He's just a horse, that's all.
Speaker 4 (45:01):
Geez to think that he played with Matt Ryan that
was a thousand yard season.
Speaker 3 (45:07):
How long ago that was?
Speaker 2 (45:09):
Yeah, I don't know. I I think this is the year.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Like I said last year, like if it didn't happen
that that I was out And so I'm sticking to that,
like I'm gonna you know, I'm gonna target some of
the the the uh trade mcbrides, the you know, I'll
take a George Kittle. You know, I'll take a Mark Andrews.
I'll even take a T. J. Hawkinson. I just don't
think I'm gonna wait around long enough for Kyle Pitts
(45:35):
to be viable.
Speaker 4 (45:36):
I'm taking Cole comment this year, all right, you have
fun with that, I could see, but as a titan too. Right,
there is a tribe of Cole commit stand. I'm gonna
go over there and see what's going on real quick,
and I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm get an extra ticket
for you guys, and we'll see what happened.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
I'll go catch a movie or something that day.
Speaker 4 (45:58):
Watch Spider Man three.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
Seriously, I'll go.
Speaker 1 (46:01):
I'll go do something else that you let me know
how that goes. Enjoy the snacks, though, I'm sure they're tasty.
We're gonna take a break, come back talk some first
round guys, and maybe.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
We'll talk some severance too.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
This thing is getting long. We'll figure it out in
a little bit. Stick around for more of the NFL
Fantasy Football Show.
Speaker 1 (46:19):
During the ry, we call an audible because we spent
a lot of time on these bounts. Back, guys, and
where your time is valuable we appreciate you hanging out
with us and listening to us, so we will save
our NFL Draft first look until Thursday show. It also
makes my prep a little bit easier when I put
these rundowns together, So thank you for that idea, Florio.
In the last couple of minutes before we get out
(46:41):
of here, though, Florida, you and I have been talking
about Severance, at least amongst ourselves for a good year now,
and finally, finally, finally, we have bullied la Quan into
watching it. So wait, now, how far into the show
are you?
Speaker 2 (46:59):
So?
Speaker 4 (47:00):
I completed three episodes yesterday, okay, and I'm so tempted
to put on episode four right after I jump off
this pod, but I have to wait for Wifey to
watch it with me because she's locked in.
Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, you gotta wait for the wife. Now, you can't.
You can't do it without the wife. You can't do
without the what I.
Speaker 4 (47:17):
Have been on this roller coaster? Man, And like how
we were talking about before we jumped on, Like I
was a little confused at first, but then like I'm
really like, I pay attention to a lot of details.
So like one of the details I told about you guys,
and I'm pretty sure it's gonna get called back once
I keep watching. It's like when he walked in, he
had that piece of paper in his pocket and he's like, huh,
what the and he threw it away. So I'm thinking,
(47:37):
like now, the first three episodes, it's like they're trying
to figure out how to get messages to their audies, and.
Speaker 2 (47:44):
Their innies are like kind of.
Speaker 4 (47:45):
Like okay with it except for the new Girl, And like,
I've just been locked in with this roller coaster of
just trying to figure out, like what is going on?
What are they doing down there? And rippd man, he
broke the code?
Speaker 2 (47:59):
The man? Why do he break him like that? Man?
Speaker 4 (48:02):
But it's been interesting for these first couple of episodes,
and I'm definitely definitely gonna be watching season two.
Speaker 1 (48:10):
I just love that now we can like drop memes
and stuff in the chat and you will have just
a better idea of sort of what it is, because
I don't know how many like milk chick memes I
have thrown into the text chat and like, I'm sure
you've had very few ideas all the awards, man, mister milcheck.
And when you get to season two just there's a
whole lot going on with Milk. Like I forget the
(48:33):
actor's name, but he Tremell Tillman. Yeah, yeah, give.
Speaker 3 (48:37):
Him like like literally just carve his name in an
Emmy right now. Same thing with Adam Scott.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
I mean if once you catch up, I mean we
might just have to do like first season three whenever
it hits, we'll just this would just become a severance
podcast or something like that once once it happens, man, But.
Speaker 2 (48:54):
We're glad to have you on board.
Speaker 3 (48:55):
Same MG. You could relate to this like he's I'm
happy that you love it. Quan, there's so much that
like I love that you're trying to piece it together.
But as someone who knows where the train goes, like
it's very fun to watch you see what think matters
and what doesn't, and and it's it's fun.
Speaker 1 (49:13):
This is sort of like you know, it's like every
now and then somebody will live tweet Game of Thrones
like watching it for the first time, and like the
whole timeline is just waiting for that person to get
to the red wedding.
Speaker 2 (49:25):
Right There's just like there's just like I.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
Even know what that is and I haven't even watched it,
Like it's just.
Speaker 1 (49:31):
There's that sort of moment where everybody on the timeline
like in their own digital way, you're kind of like
nudging everybody next to you. You're like it's coming, like
we just watched what you see what happens? And then
just there's the like oh no, oh no, wait, oh no,
what's happening?
Speaker 2 (49:45):
Why no, what's you know?
Speaker 3 (49:46):
And then yeah, when I first watched Game of Thrones,
I was behind and my cousin was like, did you
get to the Red wedding yet? And I'm like I
I don't know, maybe and he's like, oh, that's the
one where Nicholae was like no, she was like the episode, yeah,
don't do that.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Yeah, that was that was That was one of the
more shocking endings to an episode of television I've ever seen.
Speaker 3 (50:12):
For sure, when when severance, I don't know of a
show who sticks the season finale is better. I know
it's only been two, but like they've stuck both of
them perfectly. But when look, well I won't give anything away,
but when season two ended, we watched it like once
it aired too. Me Nicholett just sat there and we're like,
oh my god like, and then we both just started
like reading on it and stuff like it is amazing
(50:36):
and unlike other shows, the Bear stuff actually happens on severance,
which is awesome.
Speaker 1 (50:43):
Yeah, The Bear season three was a major disappointment to
go through the whole thing and then afterwards, like they
would finished it with like two be continued.
Speaker 3 (50:52):
You end up exactly where you started.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Yeah, and there's like a two be continued and I'm like, well,
I just wasted, you know, several hours of my life,
So thanks for that.
Speaker 4 (51:00):
I love the actor Lip Lip from Shameless. I mean,
that's all I know.
Speaker 2 (51:06):
It is great. Yeah, man, car me so I'm hoping
season four redeems itself. That's all I know.
Speaker 3 (51:12):
Ben Stiller said season three is gonna be out pretty quick,
which is good.
Speaker 1 (51:15):
I mean, I think part of the reason there's a
gap between seasons one and two was, you know, you
had a writer's strike, you had you had multiple work
stoppages across Hollywood, which you know obviously caused some disturbances.
This year you theory and Theory don't have to deal
with that, so hopefully that means it comes. Plus, I
think just the fan reaction and the momentum means that
(51:38):
that they'll get it out quicker.
Speaker 3 (51:39):
And not trying to spoil anything for you, l Q.
They hadn't renewed, like it aired Thursday night, and at
that point in time, the big story was like there's
season three has not been renewed, and I think for
me that added to it because I was like, wait
is the whole time, I'm like, is this it?
Speaker 1 (51:57):
And like it well without saying anything if that is?
If that is it, I'm actually okay with the way
it finished. I'm okay with it.
Speaker 3 (52:09):
There at a point now where it could go in
twenty different directions, like everyone is trying to figure out
online and I love reading all the theories, but Ben
Steeler could just snap his finger and be like I
want to take it this way and it would make sense.
Speaker 1 (52:21):
Yeah, but if they decided to never, if they decided
ever to never do another episode, I think the way
it ended was was pitch perfect.
Speaker 2 (52:29):
So shout out.
Speaker 3 (52:31):
Ben Stiller was tweeting about the Knicks from the oscars
like he's the man. True, that is very true.
Speaker 1 (52:38):
So so yeah, we look forward to you, lakwan gonna
go through it. Maybe we'll just dedicate a portion of the.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Show to you.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yeah, the third segment should be Lakwan watching Severance. That's
what it should be.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
By the times. Bringy listens to this pod, chow already.
I watch episode four, but I'm gonna pretend and act
like I didn't watch it because I'm gonna watch as
soon as I get offer this.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
You've just blown your own cover.
Speaker 3 (53:02):
Hype me up, it's over.
Speaker 4 (53:04):
I need to hurry up and get to the season binale.
Speaker 1 (53:06):
You've also just blown your own cover. I Sabrina, I
had nothing to do with this. My hands are clean through.
Speaker 3 (53:13):
I would say, enjoy the ride like it is amazing.
It is legitimately one of my top five favorite shows
of all time. I believe so like love you, babe, but.
Speaker 1 (53:22):
I gotta watch it, Sabrina. We told him not to.
I'm just letting you know. So all right, that's a
good spot for us to take a break for this
one stick around.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
We'll be back with you on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
We'll talk a little bit of NFL Draft, kind of
get some of these first round names and dive into that,
and then also we'll have our the update of our
Rookie QB Fantasy bracket as well too. The first round
will be over, so we'll up at you on the second. Well,
do you know I've not even seen the results yet,
so I have no respect. Now we'll get into it respect.
So that means that means bon Nick's lost. That's I'm
(53:55):
just gonna.
Speaker 2 (53:55):
I'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (53:55):
I'm gonna put that out there right now. Bo Nick's
probably lost to r G. Three'll dive into it on Thursday,
I mean, got to do it for this edition of
the NFL Fantasy Football podcast, The Happy, Safe and Healthy,
Do Good and Live well. Wait for your wife before
you watch severance, and we'll talk to you on Thursday
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