2025 What Ifs: More WR Questions!

Marcas Grant, Michael F. Florio, and LaQuan Jones reunite for another jam-packed episode, starting with the latest headlines from around the league. They react to Jonnu Smith being traded to Pittsburgh, the Dolphins luring Darren Waller out of retirement, Breece Hall’s quest to become a top-tier RB, and the unconventional strategy teams are planning for Travis Hunter. (03:20)

After the break, the guys dive into the biggest wide receiver "What Ifs": Is Tyreek Hill starting to decline? Has Ladd McConkey already peaked? And who are the most underrated WRs flying under the radar this season? (28:45)

Finally, they give an update on their latest drafts in the 15th season of the iconic Scott Fish Bowl fantasy league. (48:51)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, Wow, everybody, It's Tuesday, July twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast where it's good
to be back. It's being your man, NAMG Marcus Grant,
joined by Michael Florio and Lakwan Jones. You guys were
pointing out to me that this is the first time
in what thirty days that we have all been together
for a podcast. That's wild. It's good to really is.
I actually forgot to put my headphones on, like we're

(00:36):
a little rusty then. Yeah, I mean I was like
half joking, like I'm not sure if I don't know,
you know how to do this. I mean, for a while, Florio,
you were on vacation. You drove the entire length of
the West coast of the United States, you know, I
you know when I drove like two hours north and
south of me, went to Santa Barbara for a little bit,

(00:57):
went to San Diego for a little bit. Uh sick.
Yeah that was cool. Lakwan, you you were just kind
of here, Hey, man, la is my vacation. I appreciate
living here. That's good. I went.

Speaker 3 (01:09):
I went to Big Bear for Fourth of July this weekend,
Like like you guys know big bears, Like less than
one hundred miles out of LA It took me over
four hours.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
I would I'd much rather be driving up the coast
right now. Like yeah, I mean it's aboutous. It's a
very popular spot for Fourth of July. And so if
you if you don't hit it right, all that traffic
going up the mountain is going to take you some
time to get there, for sure. Thanks. So here we are, though,
we're back together again as we get ready training camp
just around the corner. A lot of teams going to

(01:38):
be opening up camps very very soon. Fingers crossed. We
are trying to get our way to a couple of camps.
There are camps within a short drive of us, including
the Chargers, who I kid you not. Their camp is
fifteen minutes from where I sit right now. Uh on
surfety on service street, jump over the fence and like
fifteen minutes on surface streets. My kid does like he

(01:59):
is a coating he's like a coating class that he
does on Saturdays. And I tell you that it is
around the corner from the Chargers practice. So so hopefully
we can beg our way to training camp for the
Rams and the Chargers. I hopefully bring you some content
from their fingers crossed on that though we let you know.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
And we I kind of have an in I went
I started going to a new barber and he was like,
I also cut Justin Herbert's brother's hair, So maybe maybe
we could leverage that to get.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Justin Herbert to join. Yeah, man, get the see we
can get herbo on for sure. So it's been a
while since we've all been together. We're gonna dose some
hype train or smoke screen sort of things, some kind
of rumor and inn window kind of things. Uh Laqwan
had an interesting tweet that he put out kind of
a what if sort of about some wide receivers. So
kind of want to get into the pole that you

(02:50):
guys put together, Lakwan and some of the things that
the people have to say about it. And in case
you have not been on the interwebs recently, the scott
Fish Bowl has begun as FB fifteen is underway, so
we will talk about kind of where we are in
that one. Although l Q you are done because you
did one of the long drafts, Florio and I are
doing the slow drafts, so we'll kind of talk about

(03:12):
what we know about our teams. So far I can
tell you for me, it ain't much, but we'll get
to that in just a little bit. So first, just
some hype Trader smoke screen. Obviously, it's been a while
since all of us have been together, but even still
been a while since we talked to you, since we
took all of last week off with the Fourth of
July holiday, and hopefully it was a happy, safe and
healthy one for everybody across the country. So some big

(03:35):
things have happened since we last spoke to you. Kind
of want to get through some of those. There's a
tight end shuffle. The big part of this was not
actually the tight end. It was the Dolphins trading Jalen
Ramsey to the Steelers with Mika Fitzpatrick going the other
way and a pick swap as well. But involved in
that was John news Smith going from Miami to Pittsburgh.

(03:57):
He of the forcing Lakwan to dye his hair blonde
after having a career year. So now he goes to Pittsburgh.
He teams up with Aaron Rodgers. They've got DK metcalf.
I'm Lakwan. Since you are our resident John new Smith
expert I guess how are we feeling about John Hue
and the Steel City. I'm feeling good about him there.

Speaker 4 (04:19):
Fantasy expectations have been drawn a little back, though they're
not as high as they were last season obviously with
Pat Fairemouth there.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
But I think it's a good match him reuniting with
Arthur Smith for the last ride, you know, for the
third Trio ride, you know, And I definitely think that
there's some appeal there of that offense now, like it's
not completely boring. Let's just say that, you know, like.

Speaker 4 (04:39):
You have Aaron Rodgers there, dk Metcalf and now you
have a possible second option of that offense. But how
much of a pass volume offense is this going to be?
Where Arthur Smith obviously wanting to run the ball. So
it's like one of those things like you're happy he
got the move he wanted. Hopefully they extend him and
hopefully we get John New a flash of what he
did last season.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
So this is this me and Floyda that the Moth
is no longer loth. Yeah, it's over for the Mouth.

Speaker 3 (05:05):
And the thing about the Arthur Smith two tight end
sets which look he likes to use that we know
that we saw that going back to Atlanta and Tennessee
and all that. But one tends to do a lot
more blocking than the other, and I think that will
be Pat Fryer.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Moot's rolling like he'll have a game.

Speaker 3 (05:24):
Here or there right where he catches a touchdown or
maybe a couple of plays go his way or something
like that. But I don't think it's gonna be anything
where you could even get anywhere close to saying it's
consistent or anything like that. So I'm not interested in
him at all for fantasy. I will say if John
neu Smith is cheaper, now I'm more in because.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I was out on John New in Miami.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
I just thought last year they manufactured a lot of
touches for him by design because they had to get
the ball out of two his hands quickly.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
There's less target camp here. But also the Steelers.

Speaker 3 (05:58):
Need to get Aaron Rodgers the ball to out of
his hands quickly, roaring it out and stuff. So if
John New gets a lot of those catch and run
targets as the number two target, which I think he
should be, if he starts going cheaper closer to like
tight end twelve in that range, then then I could
see myself taking maybe a share, a couple more shares,

(06:19):
but I wasn't planning on really taking him much.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
In the middle rankings of the Titan top twelve. Yeah,
I mean, just everything about the Steelers' offense right now
sort of screams mid to me. Right, I mean, I
know we talked about this before, right we went We
went a whole most of the offseason without speaking the
name Aaron Rodgers, even though we all knew he was
probably gonna land in Pittsburgh at some point. Right, Like, so,

(06:45):
like we're talking about you know, forty something year old
Aaron Rodgers, who the last time we saw him, you know,
didn't look like the guy who was an MVP. I mean,
father time catches up to us. All. I got DK
Mett looked like that guy in a while, He look
like that guy in a while. He didn't look like
that guy the last you know a little bit in
Green Bay. Uh, you forget about what happened with the Jets.
You got DK Metcalf, who you know was fine his

(07:08):
last year or so in Seattle. But really, I think
that has not come anywhere close to what his ceiling
was earlier there with the Seahawks. Now they add John
news Smith. They have Jalen Warren in the backfield who
we sort of like. But you know, we're not over
the moon about We're trying to figure out what Caleb
Johnson is going to be. I mean, the Steelers have

(07:28):
kind of looks like they've pushed their chips sort of
into the middle of the table to try and compete
in the division. And in the end, I just look
at it and I'm like, you know, so it all
the offenses in the NFL, that's one of them.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
Ye, free draft me would hate what I'm about to say,
but uh, Caleb Johnson is the Steeler I'm most interested in. Wow,
they're players.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
I don't taking him over DK, but like at cost, Yeah,
I don't think you're wrong about that. The fantasy streets
aren't talking about Kayler Johnson right now. I don't know
why the fantasy talking about the Steelers at all, Like
I don't think they are.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
They're hyping up DK to be a wide receiver one
steal and I'm not agreeing with that. I mean, we
can get that to that to another pod, but I'm
not not looking forward to DK.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Metcalf on my rosters I mean neither.

Speaker 3 (08:17):
I was out on him before the pairing with Aaron Rodgers,
but I'm seeing a lot of people slowly start to
hype up Jalen Warren. I went year by year for
Arthur Smith and outside of that one year with Corderyo. Patterson,
like the running back that's got the most touches is
always like two hundred and something, like he's a sizest
he he sees Jayleen Warren and he's like, you're cool,

(08:38):
But look at this guy.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
I want to feed him like that. That's what I think.
At least that guy you're pointing to is john Ney
Smith on the five yard line right there, So there
you go. I would say, if there's any upside for
john who, it's that. I just wonder whether or not
Aaron Rodgers is going to give him looks near the
goal line? Right? Is that going to be a thing?
Look remember that year year and a half where Robert

(09:01):
Tunyan was kind of a thing in Green Bay. Jonah
Smith is way more athletic than Robert Tunyan. Yeah right,
I mean he could be more of a weapon around
the goal line than Tunyan ever was. So I'm sort
of hoping that gives him at least some value, but
still not enough for me to feel great about it.

Speaker 3 (09:18):
To that point, Aaron Rodgers does lock in on one
target in the red zone, like every time he plays
with Davonte Adams, You're like, Okay, if he throws it here,
we know it's going to Devonte, that could be DK.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
But TK is he that kind of guy? I don't know, Yeah,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (09:36):
It'll be interesting to see the mesh between Aaron Rodgers
and Arthur Smith in that offensive mine of like what
this will actually look like because last season Aaron Rodgers,
we obviously knew like the ball wasn't going beyond ten yards.
Is just it didn't look great. Twenty two percent of
his passes were behind the line of scrimmage. So I
guess great news for Jalen Warren or John new Smith.
So it's like he obviously knows his capabilities, his limits,

(09:58):
But was his offense going to look like when they
are throwing the ball, because the obvious will be DK
Metcalf will be doubled or take DK out of the play, Like,
I just don't know if that is going to.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Be Like.

Speaker 3 (10:12):
I think in his head he's like I could air
this out if I want, I can still do it.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
I can do it last year. The greats are the
last one to accept that they don't. They are the
last ones to know exactly they really are. So I
guess the consensus on Johnny Smith is yeah, all right,
But that did leave a tight end hole in Miami.
I mean, unless you really believe in Pharaoh Brown potentially.

(10:37):
So the Dolphins are attempting to fill that void by
acquiring Darren Waller, who comes out of retirement and I
assume it's no longer making TMU Drake style videos on
the beach being sad. He comes out of resirement and
gets traded to Miami for a sixth round pick in
twenty twenty six. Now, the last time we saw Darren

(11:01):
Waller it was pretty forgettable. You know. He had a
couple down years with the Raiders. Then he went to
the Giants and had a very forgettable year there. I'm
I went and looked at at the ADP. This is
a couple of days ago, you know, and I know,
maybe it's gonna shift a little bit, but I think

(11:22):
gentally what I saw was that Darren Waller was like
in the twenties when it comes to the tight end position. Yeah,
tight end twenty six, yeah, I I assume you think
it's gonna go up, But how much does it go up? Then?

Speaker 3 (11:33):
Florio, I think that's definitely gonna I mean, there's not
twenty five tight ends that because look, I think with
Waller you're accepting that the floor. We don't know what
the floor is, but there's at least upside there, right Like,
I don't think there's twenty five tight ends in the
NFL that bring more upside than Darren Waller.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
I like him.

Speaker 3 (11:56):
I won't even know if I would say I like him,
but I think he should be going in the tight
end two range. But like he is someone you compare like,
say you take a safer tight end. I'm trying to
think of a like John new Smith might be a
good one, or Evan Ingram. He feels like a good one,
Like a safe tight end. You could double down like

(12:17):
in the later rounds and take Evan Ingram because I
do think there's some upside there. It to me, it
comes down to how he's going to be used. If
they're going to don't he's not gonna block right like
he retired rather than block for the year. So I
think if they used him similar to how John who
was used, he could have some big games. Like I'm
not saying he's going to be what he once was,

(12:39):
he hasn't been that in a couple of years. But
even like eighty percent Darren Waller that we got the
last couple of years was still a tight end one
when he was on the field.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
It was just more he couldn't stay on the field.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
So because of the health risk and the target competition
and everything like that, Like I still have him behind
the rookies. I would rather have Dalon Kincaid or Tuck Craft.
But then when you get into like the likely and
Kyle Pitts, like I'd rather take a shot on Darren
Waller than Pat fryer Mouth or to me, I think
Waller slides in with like the Dallas Godter, Jake Ferguson,

(13:12):
Breton Strange, like that tier of tight ends which is
purely upside targets later in drafts.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
So my only pushback on that is, I don't know
that I get down on upside with a tight end
who's gonna turn thirty three. I think very early in
the season, right in the first couple weeks of the season,
he hits his thirty third birthday and the Darren Waller
that we like to remember, we haven't seen that guy

(13:40):
since twenty twenty. He really had two good years as
a fantasy tied end right he went for over eleven
hundred yards and back to back years with the Raiders
twenty nineteen and twenty twenty. Granted, injuries definitely helped keep
him down those last couple of years in Vegas and
again with New York. I just you know, so let

(14:03):
me ask you then this Florio and and you could
answer too as well. Lakwan Sweet Darren Waller or Tyler Warren,
Tyler chick a Concho, Mason Taylor cadad and zach Ertz,
mike Ki Lakwan Jones. Yes, yes, all over trying to
be the Darren Waller guy.

Speaker 3 (14:23):
But even two years ago he averaged one point eight
yards per route ran. That would have been top. I
think that would have been There was only ten tight
ends last year who averaged that. So like he again,
it's not what it once was, but tight end is
I think we have goggles on right now.

Speaker 2 (14:41):
Like real quick, really quick, flury, are you going to
download his next album? When he dropped to any athletes music.
I watched him on the field. You know. Yeah, the
reason I sort of winston, you said, Mike Gasicki is
that for me, Mike Gasicki has become shorthand for frustratingly

(15:05):
disappointing tight end, right, Like yes, like that guy that
you you either you draft late or you pick him
up off the waiver wire early, thinking all right, like
maybe I can just get a couple of touchdowns a
couple and like it just never happens. It's like, you know,
if you're.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
That he's not waiver wire, you pick up the moment
that you hear T Higgins is injured, pick him up.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
That's just basically how it is.

Speaker 4 (15:24):
Like that's just what I've actually acted on last season,
Like Higgins hurt get Koseki because he's gonna run a
ton of routes and he's gonna become like the middle
of the field option for Joe Burrow.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
It's happened.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
So I rather that than Darren Waller fighting for targets
for a Tyreek Hill and Jalen Wattle and Davon Ahan.
Like sure, I just can't see myself double tapping on
tight end, even if I do go evaning or even
if I do go like a let's go later in
the draft zach Ertz like I can't see myself bringing
in like a Darren Waller, a retired thirty three year

(15:55):
old rapper, Like I can't do that.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
I can't do that. Yeah, something I know. The very
wise and very funny Ian Harditz plays in a fantasy
league that is thirty two teams. Darren Waller will get
drafted in that league. I'm pretty certain of it. Why
he's probably can get drafted because there's thirty two teams.
Like at some point you'vember, I'm asking why is there's
thirty two teams? Yeah, that's I don't I can't begin

(16:19):
to answer that question. But you know, but for most leagues,
Darren Waller is probably gonna go undrafted. Bresall was asked
about his goals for twenty twenty five and he said, quote,
just proving that I'm still one of the best in
the league. Obviously, Lukwan, it's been a down year for
Breese Hall. He has not really hit those heights that

(16:41):
we saw when he first came into the NFL. Ever,
he was coming off of a knee in or he
had that knee injury. I guess his rookie year. In
his second year, he came back and and really showed
us some things. The year after just was sort of underwhelming. Generally,
when you look at Breese Hall, is this a talent
thing or is this a usage thing in the offense.

(17:02):
It's a mixture of both, I would say, because like
when you look at the timing of like the injury,
like he was super explosive. He was the running back,
he was the guy. But even then after that returning
back from injury, like the old line was bad, the
offensive play Carlan wasn't good, it wasn't great. Aaron Rodgers
gets hurt, like all these things were just piling up
on him and playing against him. But more so looking

(17:24):
at maybe we get an understandment of his actual role,
like is he going to be the pass catcher or
is he going to be the every down back type
of guy. And I think I like to look back
when we go back to Tampa Bay with Leonard Fournette
where he had like seventy catches, like that could be
bres Hall and just have Braylan Allen run that one
two punch with him, which we're getting Tanner and strand
you know, a bootleg version, a Timo version of the

(17:47):
Sonic and Knuckles over there in New York, which is fine.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
I still want a piece of that. So I'm not
completely fading Breese Hall, like I just think it was
more so of a situational and having Aaron Glenn now
setting the culture, setting the standards, and having some type
of play caller that's been in the likes of Ben
Johnson on the sticks, Like, I think we can get
Brice Hall to a point where like he can live
between that top twelve area, maybe outside of that top

(18:12):
fifteen if he sees all the targets out of that
backfield in that one two punch.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
Well. So I was gonna ask you, though, Floyda, because
I know you're also a big Justin Fields guy, and
it just seems that those two things don't mix.

Speaker 3 (18:25):
That's gonna be the narrative. But I don't agree with
that at all, and the numbers don't either. Like Justin
Fields last year, through the same amount of passes to
the backfield as Aaron Rodgers, they were both at eighteen
percent and Justin Fields actually, per Fantasy Points data, had
the highest checkdown rate in the NFL last year. So
I do think it's possible that Brice Hall hasn't Like

(18:48):
he was top three in running back targets last year,
and I think it's possible that he could be around
that again. Plus you ask it, like literally we asked
him all the time on the show. Any running back
tells you like playing with a mobile quarterback helps. But
the other thing is exactly what LQ said with Tanner
Engstring coming from the Detroit Lions, who were always towards

(19:08):
the top of the league in screen passes, Like, I
think we're going to see Justin Fields playing a different
style of ball than we had the last year with
the Steelers. They made that change where they accidently throw
a lot more shorter and quicker passes. I think they
even build on that with Justin Fields this year and
the new OC. Plus the thing is for years, literally

(19:30):
every year, I believe since he's entered the NFL, Breese
Hall has been a first or early second round pick.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
Now you're getting him outside of the top twelve running
backs in the third round, late late third, sometimes even
early fourth.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Like to me, I think the upside is really high,
and like you look at the rushing success rate last year.

Speaker 2 (19:46):
It was much improved from what it was two years ago.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
And I think I do think people are over hyping
Braylan Allen a bit like he is a good back.
I'm not gonna discredit that, but Breese Hall has the
potential to be apps elite.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
So you add that.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
In with Justin Fields's running ability and the fact that
he does, in my opinion, thrower running backs more than
he gets credit for. I think Brice Hall, at an
all time low price right now is a buying opportunity.

Speaker 2 (20:13):
So I think the thing with Breeze Hall, I think
when you look at a lot of the metrics right
like explosive run rate, you know, yards after contact, per carry,
those things, he rates very well in in terms of
all the some of the advanced metrics that you want
out of your running back. My fear, I mean a
little bit of the Justin Fields thing. It's just everything
the Jets have told us suggests they want to use

(20:35):
multiple guys right. And I'm not even going to get
into whether or not we think Briylan Allen is talented,
like to this point, it doesn't matter if they say
they're going to use him. That's more of the issue.
Right there, and you mentioned Sonic and Knuckles right in Detroit, Lakwan.
The difference is the Lions score points like, that's it.

(20:55):
The Lions move the football, they score first one. Seeing
that the Jets can be better than what they were
in the past, but I think they could be better.
Brotherly gonna be good.

Speaker 3 (21:05):
I think there's a case that this could be the
best Jets offense pristall has ever played it.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yes, that could be an argument made. That could definitely
be an argument made that this is literally the best
offense that he's playing with a quarterback that's mobile, that
can actually get the change moving and draw that disguise
that confusion, like who's going to run the rock?

Speaker 2 (21:25):
My biggest concern is everyone's like, oh, it's Braylean Allen.

Speaker 3 (21:27):
Can they get the goal one carries? No, my biggest
concern is justin Field goal carries, because are going to
do that?

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Or even worse is justin Field's just gonna take it
in from like fifteen yards out that too, you know
the red you get a break out of the pocket
and just run it in from fifteen twenty yards away
and then none of the running backs get that look like.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
This is why This is why I made that comparison
with Leonard Fournette, because he had a shot white behind
him running the rock. I mean that could be Braylen Allen.
I mean I can see seventy catches on the table
for brestall this year, easy, and I think that will
make him a top twelve PPR.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
You know, uh, how many carries are you projecting? Like
how many? How much of the much? Because you still.

Speaker 3 (22:09):
Got he's not going to get much less than too,
Like he's never had less than two hundred in a
full year.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
He's still got Wilson right still, I guess I name.
I was trying to find the name, and Josh Reynolds
Allen was like, I.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Just don't see a world where Brice Hall isn't the
lead runner as well. Like Braylen Allen might might have
a lot of like might be heavily involved, but like
he's not going to be used more than this.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Is a Ben Johnson Ben Johnson influenced offense. We we
probably could have said the same thing of DeAndre Swift
not taking the lead carries with Jamal Williams being the
lead carrier, like.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
This, these are things that is better.

Speaker 3 (22:55):
Yeah, and and like in my opinion at least, and
and I know everyone points to the Sonic and Knuckles thing,
but like that is maybe the greatest RB tandem in
the last however many years.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
You know, certainly the last five years or so be
right there in that top three. So le's go last
five years, right. I don't know if it's anywhere close
to the scoring wise, scoring wise, definitely, we're talking yeah,
efficiency wise, I guess whatever. Yeah, I mean, I look,
I think Breeze Hall is really talented long and short

(23:28):
of it. I just feel like we're gonna be frustrated
by the usage in this offense. You know, I'm not
drafting I'm not drafting Brylin Allen. No, if the price
is right, I'll draft Breeze Hall. We'll see fields is
in Bruce Hall. They're like the only Jets in real league,
all right. Last thing, Travis Kelcey was asked about Travis

(23:49):
Hunter and being a two way player this year, and
Travis kelce basically said he thinks opponents are going to
try to wear him out on defense. Uh that basically,
you know, when he lines up there at corner, team's
just gonna send receivers on on downfield. Missions and they're
just gonna make Travis Hunter run win sprints, right, So
if he's going to have a full workload on offense,

(24:09):
play some occasional defense, I mean it, look it makes sense, right,
I mean, Florida your your basketball guy. You think about
it in basketball terms, you don't necessarily want your best
offensive player guarding the other team's best offensive player, right,
like you don't want you knows, Lucas Donson is a
bad example because he didn't play defense anyway. But like
they jy chance they get, right, But you don't want

(24:32):
Jalen Brunson having to chase Steph Curry around for forty minutes, right,
because you're just gonna wear him out, and then you're
gonna hurt that's gonna hurt his offensive production. And I
think Travis Kelsey's basically saying sort of the same thing.
If I'm the other team, I'm gonna line up against
Travis Hunter, I'm gonna just have him run wind sprints
over and over and over again and then turn around
and try to play offense as well. So it made question.

(24:53):
I'm gonna get your answers for both of these. What
is more likely for Travis Hunter by the time we
get to week ten, right, Jaguars as they're buying week eight,
so a couple of games after that, So by week's in,
will it be more likely to be seventy thirty offensive
snaps for Hunter fifty to fifty or seventy thirty defensive snaps? Lakwan,

(25:16):
that's a good question. I think Travis Kelsey should have
just kept the sauce to himself because he just kind
of just told everybody and now, this is probably what's
going to happen. But I know it's say body, I'm sure,
I'm sure the Jaguars have thought of that. You you
sure hope because this is definitely a possibility in the
first eight weeks.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
I mean, he's going to be burnt out if he's
running this fifty to fifty how he thinks in his
mind that he's going to be able to do. But
back in the season, I could see him being more
on the offensive side, like a seventy thirty split, because defensively,
hopefully there's some grounding there, hopefully they improved from last
season and not getting completely burnt down in the secondary.

(25:55):
But I don't see the need for him to play
seventy percent of defense when and you know he's that
talented to be on offense, we can compare him and
have talks about him being one of those freak athletes
in the conversation of a Ceedee Lamb or Justin Jefferson
just based on his play style. So I don't see
him playing that much of defense on the back end season.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Where are you at florio on that, I agree, I
think it'll be if anything, it'll probably be seventy to thirty.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Offense is just more valuable.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
And I know defense wins championships and all that, but
then why receivers paid way more than quarterbacks, you know,
like and the Jaguars have been upfront about that, like
that they think that is where he is most valuable.

Speaker 2 (26:36):
But I do want to go back.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
To something friend of the show Emery Hunt said back
pre draft, where he was like, the NFL game is
less plays than the college game where.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
He played fifty to fifty and you get more breaks.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
And more time in between plays and stuff. So I
don't want to necessarily rule. I'm hoping they give him
a chance to do both at a high rate. But
if I had to guess, I think offense will be
more His phone.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
I definitely think it's gonna be more of his focus.
And maybe I should have like rephrased the question, like
do we see the ratio even go down? Right, Like
maybe it starts at seventy thirty offensive snaps and maybe
by the end we're down to like, I don't know,
eighty five fifteen sort of thing too, because I think
the other thing to take into account, and we see
this with rookies all the time, is you do sort

(27:22):
of hit that rookie wall, right. I mean, Colorado last
year played thirteen games total with a month off in
between game number twelve and game number thirteen, right, Because
you finish your regular season and then you wait until
your bowl game, so you play twelve games, you know,
pretty close to each other. Then you get a month
to recover, and then you play game number thirteen. You

(27:45):
know you're gonna play seventeen games with one week off
during that stretch, you know. And it's hard on guys
who just play one side of the ball and only
play a certain number of steps. I just I know
everybody talks about his stamina. I know that Hunter prides
himself on that, and I'm very curious to watch it,
and I wish him success, but I do think at
some point, you know, it's just asking a lot out

(28:07):
of everybody you know to go do that. Also in
the heat and humidity of Jacksonville versus.

Speaker 3 (28:14):
I will say, I'm surprised we didn't get a Trevor
Lawrence shot in there from LQ.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
No, no, no, Trevor mid the sideline. There is there
is there there, It is right there. All right, we're
gonna take a break, come back, we're gonna talk some
kind of wide receiver what ifs. I know we did
a group of them a few weeks ago, but we
had some things bubble up in the last week or
so that we feel like it's worth talking about. So
we'll dive into that in just a little bit, plus

(28:39):
a little bit of Scott fish Bowl talk as well,
coming up next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So
I mentioned before the break we had done some positional
what ifs. So we talked about some guys and you know,
what if they're better than we thought, what if they're
worse than we thought, so on and so forth. We
did wide receivers about a month ago. Actually, I think

(29:00):
that was the last time we were all together to
be honest, because we did those wide receiver Yeah, so
never mind, it wasn't there, so never mind. But but Lakwan,
I know you do some stuff on Sirius XM radio
and you guys put out a poll recently, uh, just

(29:21):
this past weekend. I'm just gonna read the poll question
and the results. Uh, you're on the clock. It's the
second round. You need a wide receiver. One. Who are
you picking here? The four options were t Higgins, tyreek Hill,
Lad McConkie, Terry McLaurin, Lad mcconkee. I mean, it's kind

(29:42):
of shocking that he was the winner. It's more shocking
the margin by which he was the winner. For me, Yeah,
blew it out of the water, almost forty five percent
for Lad McConkie. Tyreek Hill was second at twenty four
and a half percent, Terry McLaurin third at eighteen point
three percent. T Higgins came in at twelve point three percent.

(30:03):
So fully record, Lakwan, of those four, who are you picking?
Tyreek Hill? Hands down?

Speaker 4 (30:09):
Like I have tyreek Hill and a lot of my
best ball drafts, and being able to get him there
and seeing Ladd go before him is kind of like, huh,
why Because Tyreek Hill has the likes to be a
top five wide receiver this season, right, Like the ceiling
is there because we know when two is on, when
he's healthy and everything is gone the way it needs
to be. Disregard last season, what about twenty twenty three,

(30:31):
It's like this guy is still that guy and he's
proven that to us this offseason. I mean he's still
running at his peak. Like he ran a freaking hundred
meter at ten point one five seconds, and that's like
beating his eighteen year old record, which was at one
to nine. So it's like, I mean ten point nine.
So it's like crazy that he is still at his peak,

(30:51):
still running this fast, and still have that ability where
I'm looking at lad like we got what we got
last year, Like what if he hit that seaton? Like
what if that's it? That's like a high end wide
receiver two at best? For me, where I came to
see myself putting Ladin in the top ten conversation right now?

Speaker 2 (31:08):
All right? I mean, so I do want my top ten.
I do want to cheve into that. I want to
dive into that. I mean, first I want to ask
you for you I mean, of those four which one?
Are you picking a load all day? And Tyreek Hill
isn't even number two for me? Terry McLaurin would be
I'm wow.

Speaker 3 (31:24):
I'm a big believer that when you see a sign
of decline and a player, you should run. And maybe
last year was just a down year for Tyreek with
how weird.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
It was from the start and everything.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
But like Marcus, you know this right, Like in baseball
they never pay guys who steal bases because speed is
the first skill set to go.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
So when you're Tyreek.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
Hill and speed is every like is everything for you
when you have a down year at post thirty years old,
I get really concerned. Plus his quarterback is so like
the hardest quarterback to tire yourself to in fantasy right now.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
Yeah, So that was my question, is like last year
was last year the sign of decline? Or was it
that he had Tyler Huntley and Skyler Thompson for a
large time he was pissed off? I would do, like
he's not getting the looks at all.

Speaker 4 (32:18):
John new was getting everything within this line of scrimmage,
Like I would be mad too if I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
More Well, look I'm taking speak. When Tua was out
there either because Tua wasn't great hisself, but he's still
maintained complete in the past is five yards from scrimmage.
Like it's one of those things where it was just
a wash year because like you said, it started off
rocky like before this even started. So it's like one
of those things that you're looking at Tyreek Hill just

(32:47):
going through to emotions talking this season up. I mean, you.

Speaker 4 (32:50):
Played with to at your peak at twenty twenty three,
but I didn't see any decline in this man's speed.
Like if we're talking about his god given gift, it's
still there. It's still there, like his talent has not left.
I think this year just should be chalked up as
like it was a bad year between the Dolphins that
are like in totality, like this was the worst Dolphins

(33:11):
offense executed by Mike Mandaniel the whole time he's been there.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
They do the deep all the fewest of any team
in the last two years as percentage. That would be
crazy because I think it's by design, Like I think
they don't want.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
Tua holding the ball in the pocket, so that's a
different perspective. They're my friend, I think, well, I think
that's why because we talked about how much they manufactured
touches for Johnny Smith, right, it was trying to get
the ball out early. I think there's also something to
be said for Devon ah Chan and how much of
a contributor he is in the passing game with Tua
versus without Tua. Right, when Tua's there, Devon a Chan

(33:47):
is a PPR god, Right, I mean that guy's catching
all kinds of passes without Tua. He's not seeing those
sort of looks, and these are all things that were
taking away from Tyreek Hill. I mean there is there
is the fair question of whether or not a guy
whose game is based heavily on speed is going to
start to decline, right, I mean, he's thirty one years old,

(34:09):
obviously has run a ton of routes to seeing a
ton of targets. You know, I could see him getting
back over a thousand yards. I could see him getting
back to you know, that twelve hundred yard mark that
he was with with the Chiefs for a number of years.
I don't think we see the seventeen hundred yard Tyreek
Hill again. I don't know that that happens this year.

Speaker 5 (34:28):
You know, if two is on the field, maybe, but
it was saying if people believe that, if people even
remotely believed that they would be drafting him alongside Jamar Chase,
Justin Jefferson ceed Lamb right, Like, he's not even in
that conversation with anybody right now, because I don't think
people believe that he's a seventeen hundred yard receiver.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
I think twelve hundred yards. I think where he's going
right now. He were like, yeah, you know, see eleven
twelve hundred, thirteen hundred yards, you know, six to eight touchdowns.
I think that's where people are drafting him right now,
which you know puts him in that group of guys
that we're talking about. For the record, I'm with you, Florio.
I would probably take Terry McLaurin out of that group. Oh,

(35:10):
I would Lad over Terry. But I do love me
some Terry. Oh. We are split three ways on this man.
So then let's dive in. Let's dive into the Lad
talk then here right because, uh, you asked a question
on on Twitter, look on what if Lad is ceiling already?

(35:31):
So well, first we should we should make the case
for somebody who has him in the top ten. I mean, yeah,
seven touchdowns a two catches, and you think there's room
to grow Florio, Yeah, because one he he got off.

Speaker 3 (35:46):
Slow, like out the gate slow last year, but from
week eleven on he averaged nineteen just under nineteen fantasy
points per game.

Speaker 2 (35:55):
Like that is elite.

Speaker 3 (35:57):
There's like, uh, it's like that's like justin Jefferson, Jamar
Chase Cede, Lamb territory and Lad McConkie was there. Plus
this is all kudos to the NFL research team. But
he was fifth in fantasy points per target last year.
He was third in receiving yards per route, sixth in

(36:17):
fantasy points per route he was fourth, and catch rate
he led all receivers in yards per target Like this
is as a rookie. He was one of the very
best against man coverage as a rookie, which remember when
he was coming in, it was like this guy is
a zone buster, but man might give him difficulty in
the NFL level.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
He was like, no, I'm one of the best at
it already.

Speaker 3 (36:40):
So and he was one of the best slot receivers
last year as well, and we know we could play
out wide, he could went downfield. Like I loved Ladd
as a prospect and then he exceeded expectations as a
rookie in his first year there in Justin Herbert's first
year there in that new off So I think their

(37:01):
chemistry can only get better. And I do think we
are drafting Lad towards his ceiling. But if the Chargers
throw more this year, and I think that's all it takes,
like Lad McConkie could exceed this this value because he
is that good in my life.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
One I agree. I think we are drafting Lad pretty
much at his ceiling right now. The thing that I
worry about is I'm not sure the Chargers are going
to throw more than they did last year, by though.
I think they threw more last year than people realize.
I know, I think they did. No, that's why, and
that's what I'm sort of like. I don't know if

(37:38):
they want to up the anty on that anymore. I
was looking a Jim Harbaugh quarterback in the NFL. He
has never had a quarterback throw for thirty nine hundred yards,
let alone four thousand. He's never had a quarterback throw
for thirty nine hundred yards. Last year, Justin Herbert had
the highest yardage total ever for a Jim Harbaugh quarterback.

(38:00):
He's also probably the best. He's probably the best of
them he's ever happen. I think he's the best passer, right, Yes, yeah,
I mean he had he had Colin Kaepernick, who's a
different kind of quarterback. Yeah, he had Alex Smith, who
was a different kind of quarterback. I think Justin Herbert
is just the best pure passer that he's ever had.
And he threw the ball five hundred times last year. Like,

(38:23):
I don't know that a Jim Harbaugh Greg Roman offense
is going to do that consistently.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
When what you're hinting at is the offense stabilizing, getting
back to what they originally wanted to do. Because Justin
Herbert was averaging twenty two passes per game before the buy,
and that's because JK. Dobbins was getting the ball like
fifteen twenty times, averaged in two point nine yards for
carry and it wasn't working. So once they hit out
of that buy, that's when it jumped up to the
thirty plus pass attempts per game. And that's where you

(38:54):
see the surge late in the season from Lad McCaughey
by situational targets because who else was there? Because Quentin
Johnson is a failed project. At this point, Will Disley
was your second third best option, Davins in the chat here.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Or so we're just we're punching on Quentin Johnston. Huh,
we're done. You all get donald project. You just go
to a failed project.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
At this you fed him ninety targets. He barely even
cracked over fifty catches many you're dropping the ball in
crucial moments downfield. That's why you bring in Trey Harris.
And that's why I say this offense stabilizes because they
get they get Omar and Hampton, they get Najie Harris,
they get that one to two punch that they want
to run the ball.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Now Ladd is seeing less volume. Herbert's throwing the ball less.
So how are we hitting top ten conversation? You don't
even beyond his twelve targets. I think he sees that
man one hundred and twelve targets. Sure, that's what he
got last year, where he's again.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
Twelve best wide receiver in total points as he will
do it again.

Speaker 4 (39:54):
What if he hit a ceiling at twelve, that's it,
that's it, that's what we're gonna get.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
But if he like, I don't see a world where
he doesn't get because to Gavin's point, they producer Gavin
put in the chat like Lad mcconky was hurt early
on in the season and he still had one hundred
and twelve targets, Like yeah, I just don't see that
number going down. And if it goes up, I think
he's because Quick Johnson had ninety one targets. Like you said,
Josh Palmer's gone. He hit sixty five. That was their
third most targeted.

Speaker 2 (40:20):
But Mike Williams is back. Yeah, Mike Williams is going
to get sixty five targets. You don't think Mike Wimson
gets sixty five targets in this offense. I think Mike
Williams had like six targets last year. Well him, oh
man doing this again. I mean I think you can
get sixty five targets in this offense. I'm looking. Yeah,

(40:44):
I mean he was, he was around ninety targets most
of the time. When when that, you know, when that happened.
I think he can get I see Mike Williams is back.
Trey Harris, who may or may not be that dude, uh,
you know he's gonna get some opportunities there. Who knows,

(41:04):
you know, obviously they already get Omari and Hampton and
Najie Harris involved. I mean, I just I think if anything,
I could see McConkie, maybe there's a little bit of improvement.
I just don't see him going to the moon this year.
That's correct.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
Gavin didn't mean Latin McConkie. He meant justin Herbert was
Herbert didn't throw early on and he was I forgot
about that, Like that's right.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
Uh, why this sudden change.

Speaker 4 (41:29):
After to buy because they only put up ten points
in back to back games against the Steelers and Chiefs,
And again JK was running that rock.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Gus Edwards, where did he go? He didn't exist? Like
we have to add this run game that just got
added this year to where you have adorable running back.
You don't have to worry about Naji getting hurt like
a JK. Dobbinson taking a step back into playbook hoping
that Gus Edwards or Camanie Vedell teardrop. You know. But
it's just like at the end of the day, we're
not really looking at the red flags, like we're just

(41:57):
kind of putting him to the moon That's my only
argue because again, there's no way I'm taking Ladd over
Tyreek Hill or A J. Brown. This is what's happening
in draft right now. I wouldn't take him over A J.
Brown is the most disrespected for he should be a
first round pick. Yeah, here's the thing.

Speaker 4 (42:12):
The question for the poll was is like, hey, it's
round two. You need a wide receiver one. How are
we comfortable with ladders our wide receiver one?

Speaker 2 (42:20):
That that's the issue there. Tyreek in my opinion.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
As a one as a one because he's hitting those
heights before and we know what that offense can be.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
Rather youth than a player facing an H I mean personally,
I mean I get the muscle memory argument.

Speaker 2 (42:36):
I do. Yeah, Yeah, how many like I like?

Speaker 3 (42:45):
So, what you're expecting less than one hundred and twelve
targets or around one hundred and twelve targets around? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (42:50):
I mean I expecting him in the mirror exactly what
happened last year in terms of five receiver, hold on,
hold on, hold on, hold on. In terms of volume, maybe,
but I don't expect the yardage. I don't expect the
touchdowns because it's gonna get distributed between the new additions.

Speaker 2 (43:06):
The touchdown number is the one that I think he
gets me the most nervous, right, But like I can
see that four five, why though he is an elite
route runner, because touchdowns are fickle beasts. Man. Even if
you give those eight to Trey Harris, like this is
where this is where somebody from Twitter busts in. So

(43:27):
this goes back to the place breath is like, but
most of those were blown coverage was like, that's what
happens with the question, Johnston. You're saying this is his ceiling.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
I view it as like, why would this not if
we're saying the like, Okay, he's gonna do this if
nothing changes, if everything goes wrong for him, that would
be his floor in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Okay, so this could be his floor and in your case,
But what I'm saying is that this is his ceiling.
By situational targets. There was nobody there that can earn
more targets in him, or earn more production, or earned
that trust from Justin Herbert.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
Who's gonna held the targets and Ladd Mconky this year, nobody's.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Gonna have more targets, but they're going to have the
chargers probably nobody, nobody, nobody, I mean, I think my
my concern is just more that will be passing volume increase.
And I'm not I'm not. That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Bottom ten in passing last year, Like they were tenth,
I believe in in the lowest past percentage, so.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
They were like, yeah, I think tenth. I think the
room for improvement outweighs the room for him to decline personally,
plateau maybe a plateau.

Speaker 3 (44:43):
So if he, like as a rookie, if he was
top twelve, and that's the plateau drafting his.

Speaker 2 (44:50):
Situational targets, that's just what I'm going to stand on
situational targets. Nobody there was good. I'm I mean, we
know if anyone's good. Now we don't know anything. But again,
then he would just mirror what he did last year.
I'm not saying he's gonna decline, but but he was
a rookie who got out the gate slow and then

(45:11):
like was elite.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
So like, if who's to say that slow start doesn't
start back again? Because they wanted to run the ball
that they were the second highest run percentage those first
five weeks that's that's what the identity of the offense is.
And what tells is that is the coaching staff. But
to Gavin's point, Justin Herbert was hurt to start the
year and Laddi McConkie was a rookie who didn't really

(45:34):
get all the camp reps with Justin Herbert.

Speaker 2 (45:37):
All right, I'm going to be on the clock really
soon in in SFB and and look there's a there's
a list of wide receivers are going to be available
to me, and that's one of them. So I gotta
figure out, like I'm I'm in here taking all these
arguments in and trying to weigh them in my head
to figure out what didn't take A J. Brown over

(45:58):
Laddi McConkie in SIF beat. But that's for all the conversations.
Like a J. I have his like fifth or six
in my rankings, like he is very underrated. So there
are a handful of names right now on my list that,
without debate, will rank ahead of lad McConkie. So it
might not even be an issue for me. But you know,

(46:19):
I'm just I'm just so hold up, if you don't mind,
real quick, I have him at ten.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
These are some of the names behind him, Like, Okay,
Drake London, I know you guys are going to take
Drake London. Yeah, Terry McLaurin, Yeah, T Higgins. So this poll,
they were in this poll, Rashi, Rice, DJ Moore, Garrett Wilson, JSN,
Mike Evans, Davante Like, yes.

Speaker 2 (46:40):
I think we're over all of those guys. I think
we're sleeping on T Higgins. We are the.

Speaker 3 (46:48):
Only reason I don't like T. Higgins is because he's
going to give you like twelve games.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
Okay, I mean I think that's a fair fantasy season. Yeah,
which twelve games is the problems the problem? Yeah, I
mean I just think with T Higgins, I think, you know,
especially as long as Trey Hendrickson is unhappy and not there,
that's a bad defense, and that's a team that's gonna
have to throw the ball a lot. And yeah, but
this is my problem with Ceilings too, though, be like,

(47:14):
if T Higgins gives us seventeen games with this type
of production, with this same settle, with the same passing,
behind the same bad defense, how is he not in
conversation of top ten? How is he not?

Speaker 4 (47:25):
How can't Chase and T Higgins both finished inside the
top twelve. Then like, these are realities that can happen.
I have a hard time saying that Ladd is a
top twelve lock this year.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
That's my Ladd has more yards as a rookie than T.
Higgins has ever had in a career season because he's hurt. Man,
it's not fair. But even games there is a break.
This is the breaks. I mean, you got factor in right,
hurt that year, that was Burrow hurt that year that like.

Speaker 3 (47:52):
Every year, it feels like right, maybe I gotta look,
but seven touchdowns is the second most hit would be
the second most Higgins has.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Ever had in his career. That's I love it.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Played sixteen games that year, play sixteen games at sixteen
in place.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
I just check games. Yeah, I still think I think T.
Higgins is being underrated. He's a great number two. But
of those four you probably he probably the guy take last.
I have Tyreek last, Adams taking Adams. No bias, Yeah,
no bias at all. As you sit here wearing your rams,

(48:30):
pull over your rams quarters it for sure, man, I
Feld putting this on all right. Anyway, I'll take a
one to come back. We'll talk to some scott Fish Bowl.
I'm I am. I'm on deck in scott Fish Bowl,
So I maybe I may be asking questions to help
my own cause here right now. So I take a break,
come back with more on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So,

(48:54):
if you are any part of fantasy social media, you
have seen plenty of people talking about the Scott Fish
Bowl hashtag s FB fifteen is underway. There were live
drafts across the country the kwand you were at one
in Vegas several weeks ago. These slow drafts are underway,
so we will be he will be making picks U

(49:17):
all throughout the next few days and weeks. You know,
I'm glad that my division has been very chill. We
haven't got a lot of OTC messages, people not freeing
out about things. Because it's July eighth. There's a long
way to go before we actually have real football. Like,
there's no reason to rush through this and get this
thing done right now. But I guess, first off, what
what the division? What draft position were you? You guys

(49:38):
in Lakwan So.

Speaker 4 (49:40):
I was at the age spot and I am in
the athletics Las Vegas Athletics.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
So I saw your test stop stop it. I just
saw your stop it, stop it, stop it. I just
hit it with that. I thought you're to stop it
because he killed them. The Vegas Athletics. Oh no, I don't.
I don't. I don't acknow is that they are the
They're the West Sacramento A's. That's what they were. Sorry,

(50:05):
I don't keep up with the base of ball, but yeah,
I was at the eighth, five man base of the ball.
All right, So eighth. I'm sorry. You were in the
A's division. Is that what it is? That's you're in
the A's Yeah. Yeah, with the home meies and stuff
over there. Troy sam was.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
Your Vegas draft kind of like the League Vegas Draft,
where like people are half paying attention, but they're they're
half in the pool and drinking and stuff.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Like I was in the pool and I was on
the clock for a while and people were looking for me,
and then they looked in the pool like, yeah, where
are you at? Oh my bad? You know it happens.
It's naked, all right? So what what what division? What
draft spot are you in Florida? I'm in the Bills Division. Uh.
And that was only because the Knicks were taken.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
At the time I thought that at all, so I
wanted to be amongst those fans.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I'm pick five, all right, I am in the USC
Trojan's Division. I landed with the first pick. You know,
they were all these were all drawn at random, So
I got the number one pick. Uh and uh. I
started it with Lamar Jackson. He was my my first
pick overalls, all right. I just I knew I wanted
a quarterback. It's a super flex league. You don't have

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to start a quarterback, but I feel like you're a
disadvantage if you don't, you know, have at least one,
possibly two. And I knew that with so many teams
and having to wait all the way for it to
come back to me, I probably wasn't gonna be thrilled
with the quarterback options. So I'm like, let me just
get one now that I know I'm gonna feel comfortable with,
and then we'll figure out the rest of it. You

(51:38):
get a point per carry, so like that goes a
long way with Lemon. Yeah, that's the other part of
this too. Scoring and Scott Fishball for you. For those
of you who don't know, it's a little bit different,
and it also depends on the platform the game. The
tournament's played across multiple platforms. If you're playing on MFL
on My Fantasy League, it's a one point per reception.

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If you're playing on sleeper, it's two and a half
points per recess.

Speaker 3 (52:04):
Question for you guys that maybe you don't only answer
to what happens if, like the finals is an NFL
team versus sleeper team, like.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
I would think scoring do they go by? Yeah? I
would think between Scott Fish and Ryan McDowell and all
the people who help run this thing, I would think
they have planned for that potentially. Dun dun dum. Yeah,
it's a good question. It's a really good question. But yeah,
I don't. I don't know the answer. Point and a
half per catch adds a quick weekly Uh so I

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mean knowing that now Florida, you're in the sleeper leagues?

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (52:36):
Lawanam guess yours is a sleeper league as well? Correct? Yes?

Speaker 3 (52:40):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (52:40):
What? Well, since since your team is actually done right,
you did the live draft, you finished it up on sleeper,
did you have any particular strategy besides like I'm just
gonna go chill in the pool, and what was your
strategy for this thing? This is how cocky. I was
because after my first two picks, I got my drink
and I went straight to the pool.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
So I ended up with Chase and pookin Nicol. With
that two and a half point per reception, I am
going to be dominating just with these two there. So
that was my strategy. After that, I was like, know what,
let me go back to the board. I'm gonna get
James Cook.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
I'm gonna get bo Nicks and after that got our
j Harvey and then after that I was a Blair.
The cranberry started kicking in. Yeah, the Cranberry. That's where
it was. That's what I was thinking. In Floridell. So
your first pick was Lamar Jackson at the fifth spot.
You are several rounds deep. What do you have so far?

(53:34):
So in the second round I texted you guys about
it yesterday.

Speaker 3 (53:37):
I really wanted to go Pooka Nakula, but Joe Burrow
fell there and I was like, how many Lamar Burrow
teams are going to be in this huge time? So
I decided to go Lamar Burrow and then I went
aj Brown in round three. Who I'll continue to say it.
I think he is super underrated, Like he was on
par paced last year over seventeen games for fourteen hundred

(53:59):
yards and touchdowns. It's an average in j Brown Eagles season.
And then in the fourth round, I took Terry McLaurin,
who I also think is being underrated. Last year, he
averaged the second most fantasy points per target, and he
scored a career high fantasy points on the second fewest
targets he's ever had.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
And we saw the Commanders throw the ball a lot
more in the second half of the season.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
I think it was by design, like let's get Jaden
comfortable and stuff.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
So I think Terry, you guys could call me crazy.

Speaker 3 (54:30):
I don't have him ranked in my top ten, but
I think he brings top ten, top five upside again.
And I'm cool, like, he doesn't go anywhere close to
top ten.

Speaker 2 (54:39):
No, I mean, I think that's fair because I do
think the upside is high for Terry McLaurin, especially another
year with him and Daniels together. You know, I'm very
bullish on the Commander's offense this year, at least the
passing game. The backfield's like, yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Remember last year when we debated Brian Robinson and Auson Eckler,
and this.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Year was talk about of them. The answer is neither
really what it is all said and done, answers Deebo
Samuel this year, Yes that I don't even I don't
even think that let for fantasy at least you guys.
You guys know my feelings on Deebo, that he's he's
a good real life football player who doesn't necessarily translate
to fanas. Okay, what are your feelings on him?

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Well?

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Better, but he's not in San Francisco. I want to say,
it looks like it's burning down over there in San Francisco,
burning down, Samuel, because you because you put in slack
a blog aggregated article that sourced other blog aggregated articles
on their rumors about Brandon Ayuk, like there was shared

(55:42):
everyone feel like the curtain. Lakwan sent us this thing
about like Brandon Ayuk trade rumors and like, look, I've
been sort of on vacation and not like fully plugged
in for a while, so like I was like, what
I read this article, and I'm like looking for any
kind of source, and it's just like this blogger who's
just like so this is what I think. And then
like as a backup source referred to like link to

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another blogger who's like, I suggested the Niners do this,
and I'm like dove climbing. I was just like that.
I was just like, oh, they just like want to
be Dove Climban's right. I'm just like I read two
or three I read two or three times. I started
googling other things and I'm like, I don't. I'm like, okay,
I can ignore this like there's nothing there. I'm here

(56:25):
for the hate and I will promote it. I know
you are. I know you are. So like I was like, Okay.
After like being like mildly concerned for a little bit,
I went back to doing yeah, eating ham or whatever
I was.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Doing there, seven forty nine ers at rams that that's
gonna be a fun one for this show.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Oh and Levi South, Oh that's crazy. What is the
last time you guys won a Super Bowl?

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Think?

Speaker 2 (56:51):
I think I was two years old. Last night you
guys run a bowl? You know, and is it Bang
Bang Gang or is it blank blank? Because we have
not seen you guys show up. Okay, not show up,
I mean we come to your house and take over.
So and you guys leave losing where it matters.

Speaker 4 (57:07):
So it's gonna be crazy when we get a Super
Bowl at yr House had Levi Stadium.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
It's going to be so fine North soon. By the way,
now is that where it is this year? Yes? It
is stadium this year for sure. That's right. And are
winning and the Rams got the ring in the bag
already in the bag. I will say this, I am
I was tasked with putting together win loss records for
NFL dot Com. I mean I'm not the only one,

(57:31):
but several. You're doing win loss records for every team,
and it does. I don't want to say this out
loud with you listening, but you're muscle. Yeah, Like, you know,
the Rams are gonna have a really good They're gonna
be a good team this year. Like, I'm not gonna
deny that they are going to be very good. I
actually think they're gonna win. I think they're gonna be
you know, they're gonna be a problem for a lot
of How many wins did you give the bills? What
do we have the bills that I've got the bills

(57:52):
at twelve and uh there the builds A thirteen and four,
thirteen and four That year doesn gonna fail you there.
So I haven't gone through all the teams yet. I'm
about halfway through. Uh but yeah, I've not done the
Niners yet. But it's I mean, so the way I'm
doing it is as I fill in wins losses for

(58:14):
just doing alphabetical order, Like what are you talking about,
I'm quite an order like as so as I fill
in wins and losses for one team, I try to,
you know, do the corresponding game on the schedule grid
so that way I don't have to try to memorize things.
So like you know, like things are looking good. Uh,
things are looking good for for the commanders, uh you
each team schedule like win loss, win loss, win loss. Yeah,

(58:36):
I have to do this for U for the picks
site on NFL dot Com. So yeah, nice. Uh. Anyway,
before we get out of here, I should tell you
that I am I'm not on the clock yet. I'm
on deck for my second pick. Like I literally have
only made one pick in the Skytfish Bowl. I got
Lamar Jackson. Because it's pretty much just a bunch of
flex spots. You don't have to start, you know, you

(58:58):
just not like you have to start quarterback, running back,
wide receiver. I do think I'm gonna go very wide
receiver heavy on this roster. Some of the guys that
are still available at wide receiver, I'm on Ross, Saint Brown,
Brian Thomas, Miko Collins, Drake London, Lad McConkie, A J. Brown.
Those guys are all still there right now, I like

(59:20):
all but one of them, All but one of them
will be available. When there's one person like that, I'm
waiting for the pick. Uh. So, I mean it's all
but one of those guys probably is gonna be available.
I would think one of these receivers is going to go.
But then I get to double tap. I'm going to
double tap the position probably. You know, I'll say, Monra
just might be a little over him in this format

(59:42):
because of the two and a half per catch. Yeah
see gotcha. So I honestly, I mean part of me
is like if if ours is still there, So what I'm saying,
I go, I just I just double up. You know,
we get down with the and uh you know, we
go Amra and Aj. If that's what it's there, If

(01:00:05):
that's what's there, that'd be a really good start. Yeah, Well,
i'd have Lamar potentially A'mnra and aj Brown in the
first three rounds. Uh, I'd be very very happy with that.
So we'll see to.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Get Juwan Jennings and Brandon Ayuk and Ricky Pierson and
all of.

Speaker 2 (01:00:20):
You know we didn't get must be to get into
the fact that and I know Lakwan's gonna like pooh
pooh this because he just refuses to like be objective. Well,
I mean just because he refuses to be objective when
it comes to like the rams in the forty nine
or like you just physically cannot do that. I love
Jordan Mason last year. What are we talking about because
you hate it on Christian McCaffrey, Like it comes like
that's what it is. It's not that Mason. You just

(01:00:44):
wanted to dump on Christian McCaffrey. That's all. But we
do need to talk in a few very in your
future about how it does feel like Niners receivers are
being undervalued right now from a fantasy perspective. Yeah, I
think they are. I mean I just think I like
the Brandon. I think I don't understand. I'll have you
know again, that was part of my deep dive into

(01:01:05):
these rumors, these trade rumors that were going around. I'm like,
maybe I'm missing something. Maybe that's why the ADP is
as well as it is. I just feel like something's weird.
I don't really undertand the forty backup quarterback Mac Hutter
j Mac Jones.

Speaker 3 (01:01:19):
That's right, because oh man, this is setting up perfectly
for l Q to just.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Be on the mac Jones trade again this year. I mean,
I look, I mean that was the joke, right, Kyle
Shanahan finally got mac Jones, you know, like if you believe,
if you believe, he got bullied into taking Trey Lance
and he wanted mac Jones. Now he finally got mac Jones,
you know, two teams later. He man, hey, look y'all laugh, right,

(01:01:48):
But like, look at what he did with Sam Darnold, Like, right,
he Kyle Shanahan made Nick Mullins a thing for a
few weeks, right, Like what you don't think you could
do something with Michael McCorkle Jones if given design to
work with him. I didn't he could.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
But I think LQ is gonna be driving that brock
pretty hate by telling people to to stash back Joees,
the waiver wire and stuff we need he made Team
Mid look very mid.

Speaker 2 (01:02:11):
I'll tell you that, Kevin, can we do a thing.
We just create like a flashing graphics so that whenever
uh La Kwan says something bad about the forty nine,
we just put up like you know, parental discretion or
something like that, right, Like I think something just so
folks sort of know what's happening here, So like we
can just like you know, alert people, like all right,

(01:02:32):
you know, maybe he has something or maybe this is
just the kwand talking out of his backside again, Like
we just have to make sure that people know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:38):
I like Juwan Jennings for Fantasy this year. He's undervalue
for sure. He's the wide receiver one. I think Ricky
Pearsall is a little overrated, but I see the vision
of what he can be. This hasn't we haven't seen enough.
That's that's just my stand.

Speaker 2 (01:02:50):
I seen enough. We should we should wait and do
because like otherwise to spend the next other twenty minutes
talking about this, so we're going to fight. We're already
over to do this those show because I think I
think there's a I actually do think there's a legitimate
conversation that we had about this wide receiver room for sure. Sure.
It was good to be back with you guys.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
A lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:03:09):
It was a lot of fun get back together, a
lot to say. We had a lot to say because
it's been a while. We're back with you on Thursday
for another edition of the cheat Sheet. Have you guys
watched Land of Bad yet? Not yet? Not yet? I
totally forgot we had to watch it. Yeah, I really
right now. I remembered yesterday afternoon, I was like, oh crap,
we got a movie to watch. Yeah, Land of Bad
for the cheat Sheet coming up on Thursday. So we'll

(01:03:31):
be back with you live on our YouTube channel, So
set your notifications. You'll get a learned when we go
live there, so you can be ready for that. In
the meantime. Thanks to Gavin for sitting and listening to
us ramble for an hour and stuff. That was great.
That'll do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy
Football Podcast. They happy, safe and healthy, do good and
live Well. It's good to be back with you guys.

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We will see you again on Thursday.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Don't don't know

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
H