2025 What Ifs: WR Edition

Marcas Grant, Michael F. Florio, and LaQuan Jones open the show a discussion on LQ’s haterade for Cooper Kupp before discussing the latest fantasy-relevant news including Aaron Rodgers signing with the Steelers and the Texans signing Nick Chubb to a one-year deal. (0:27) Next, the crew debates whether or not Terry McLaurin skipping minicamp is a big deal. (8:41)

After the break, the guys dive into the biggest “What If?” scenarios at the wide receiver position heading into the 2025 season. Will Brian Thomas Jr live up to the hype surrounding him after a phenomenal rookie campaign? Are there too many wide receivers in Houston? And will Father Time finally catch up to Mike Evans? (27:06)

They close out with a look at which players are getting drafted too early or too late in fantasy drafts!  (48:01)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, Hey everybody, It's Tuesday, June tenth, twenty twenty five.
Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We've taken hating
to a new level. It's me and your man, MG
Marcus Grown, joined by Michael F. Florio and Lakwan Jones.

(00:23):
Happy Tuesday, Fellas.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
What up? What up? What up? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (00:27):
We're look what We're gonna have to have a talk
on this show? Are we We're gonna have to have
a talk. I just I just want to. I just
want to get inside your brain a little bit. I
just want to. I just I just want to find
something careful. I know I'm prepared, but I just want
to find some things out.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
We are. We're doing more what.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Ifs this week. We're gonna do some fantasy wide receiver
what ifs. We've done quarterbacks, we've done running backs, we
do wide receivers. As we get this. But Florio, I,
we're all obviously in a text chain. We commun n
kate pretty regularly. I have seen and read some things
from Lakwan that I just I can't wrap my head around.

(01:08):
I don't know if you have any more insight into.

Speaker 3 (01:10):
No, I'm with you, man, I look I understand the
because we're talking about Cooper Cup here being a Seattle Seahawks.
I understand not enjoying seeing one of your franchise players
go to one of your rivals. But like at the
end of the day, you guys fired him like that,
That's what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
So for you, for those of you who you know
who are trying to catch up here, which is probably most,
if not all of you, obviously you know Lakwan is
a Rams fan. Cooper Cup is no longer a RAM
and instead a Seattle Seahawk. And what happens is that
at least a couple of times over the last few weeks,
LQ will put something in the text chat about Cooper Cup.

Speaker 2 (01:51):
It's using him in a Seahawks uniform.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
And then it's always just just doing his thing right,
not hurting nobody, you know whatever Rams, And he's not
saying a word about the Rams.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
He's not saying anything.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
And the text, the tweet or the link is always
followed by just some ajes of hater rade, just a
giant shilled glass of hater rade in our text chains
about this, And I just I need to understand why Lakwan,
I do I need to understand.

Speaker 4 (02:29):
I don't understand why he goes to a division rival.
I mean, Floria pointed out, he just wanted to go
back home.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Screw that, go away.

Speaker 4 (02:36):
You've been home away for a while. Now we listen,
it's business. At the end of the day, you are
not a top performer or what you once were, and
we are ring chasing. So I get the business side
of it. But you go to the ops, you go
to the Seahawks of all teams, like what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Like is he expecting to finish.

Speaker 4 (02:57):
His career out at a high level to get a
rink because it ain't happen at home, Like, come on, man,
you should have went to the Patriots.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
I think he's won his he wants to finish out
with his home, live at home, but family to college, right, Like.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
It looks miserable.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
What if, like you know, like what like if if
if the NFL just let you go and you decided
you wanted to get closer to home and you go
work for the four letter Network out in Connecticut because it.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Gets you closer to Jersey.

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Like I'm not gonna sit here and like just dump
on you on the pod, like I'm not gonna do that.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
You know what, now, I would, I would, I would
every I'm just.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Wanting to just troll, just hate hate. Oh my god, hey,
I mean, I just don't what I guess.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
I don't understand the depths of the haterism. Because one,
as we said, the Rams released him. It wasn't like
he pouted and forced his way out. They they decided
that they just needed to move on from him, so
they released him first of all. Second, can he helped
you win a super Bowl? He sure did, he won
a triple Crown. He helped you win a super Bowl.

(04:07):
He was drafted by the Rams. He built himself up
into one of the top receivers in the league, and
then the team decided to discard him and move on
from him. They're like, we don't care where you go.
You can go do whatever.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
So like zero point three c number one, like you.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Release see him, Like I just don't understand the level,
Like I get, I get, Like to Florida's point, I get, Okay,
he went to the Rams Like, oh that hurts a
little bit, s things a little bit. But like for
me as a fan, if it were somebody like that,
I would apply, like you know that it's a little
bit different, right because the commanders and the Niners don't
really have a rivalry like that. But like, I'm not
mad about Deebo Samuel leaving, like he gave us a

(04:49):
lot of great years and a lot of great memories.
It's like, you know what, man, I wish you well.
I hope you have success somewhere else.

Speaker 4 (04:55):
Like I'm not that I wish as well. I'm all right,
you're in my life. Because this is the thing. If
we break up, you don't go to my off my
opposition to the enemy with you, the better for better
we elevate.

Speaker 5 (05:13):
But here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
You can elevate but he can't.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
And then you you replaced that what's an older player.
It wasn't like, hey, we're trying to get young. It
was just we want different.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
We tried to get young because we tried to move
up to get tech McMillan, but that didn't work out obviously.
But I'm good with DeVante Adams. He's a placeover. He's
the rebound, you know, he getting a little two years
in the little honeymoon phase.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
We get a ring and then we're out again.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
You're you're listen to the Seahawks or Stefan Diggs.

Speaker 4 (05:52):
Bro I listen, I just don't see it being fair
for me to get you know, crucified, because I am
not the only Rams fan who.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
Feels this way.

Speaker 2 (06:01):
Yeah, but on this podcast, it's.

Speaker 3 (06:06):
It's Yankee fans hating Juan Soto for for being a
met right.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Now, Like it's that which is But that actually makes
more sense to me because like Wan Soto just straight
up dissed them. Is just like, nah, I don't want
to say here, I want to go somewhere else. Like
Cooper Cup was like I'm cool here, like I'm down
to trill and Sean McVay was like, nah, bro, we're done.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
Like that was it?

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Like listen the Soto thing, like I actually like, I mean,
I think Angie fan needs to clean themselves up.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
But that's a whole different conversation.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
That actually makes a little bit more sense than Lakwan
being like, hey man, we had a great relationship.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
You know, you did a lot first, you helped us
win blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Oh you put on that color You're dead to me,
Like that didn't make your sense to me, Like you.

Speaker 5 (06:48):
Brought a soul would have been worse.

Speaker 4 (06:50):
It would It would have been worse if you went
to the forty nine ers, it would have been worse.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Deavin pointed out that you welcome Bobby Wagner.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Yeah that's true. Yeah, we welcome up they come over here. Yeah,
as long as.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
You know we're dominant, we're the better team, and you
see a vision of victory here.

Speaker 3 (07:08):
So you can cut donald retirement.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
I want to I want to sign like the Cardinals
or something, just stain his legacy. There's a stain on
Cooper Cup's legacy right now because he's playing for the opposition,
a team that has no hopes of winning the division,
have no hopes for the playoffs, have no hopes.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Patriots. I mean, he's far away, but.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
You want to send him to the Patriots. What are
we doing?

Speaker 4 (07:39):
Hey? I mean, look, man, go help a young quarterback out.
We love Drake May on this pod.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
You have hat in your heart. Let it out.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
All right, One day we will unravel this, this twine
ball of hatred that you have.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
But you know, right you you got to draft Cooper
Cup then you will enjoy his success even one that's true,
that's true.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
No, you drafted I won't do it.

Speaker 5 (08:09):
You drafted.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
And I won't do it.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
And that way, if he balls out, you at least
get some benefit out of it, you know.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
No, no, just saying.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
I will say I was soured towards Steph Diggs last year,
but that was because he kind of forced his way out.

Speaker 4 (08:26):
But he's on the Patriots now, like he It took
a year removed from him going to another team.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
So if this.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Was what, I'm like, all right, be a page, I
don't care. But the Texas I was like, come on, man,
like you're choosing this over what you had.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
Man, got a few headlines. Uh, some my trains are
smoke screens. Some big deals are no deals. I put
a few on this list. I don't know we're gonna
get to all of them, just because we were trying to,
you know, figure out uh Laquan's mental state for a
little bit.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
So let's just get this out of the way.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
So this actually happened about an hour or so after
we did the cheat sheet on Thursday, of course, because
that's just how our luck we called it. The news
comes down that Aaron Rodgers finally did what we knew
Aaron Rodgers is going to do for months. He signed
with the Steelers. Right, he was at a point where
he had two options. He was either signed with the
Steelers or don't play. In twenty twenty five, he signs

(09:20):
with the Steelers, which side notes of this whole thing,
He drops the news while two super rich megalomaniacs are
beefing with each other on social media.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
He just slides that in the.

Speaker 3 (09:31):
Shot that he announced then, because there's no day would
have been about him if it.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Would have been about him, all right, which seems like
a missed opportunity for Aaron one year, thirteen point six
million dollars. I mean, Florida, You've said this before, and
I don't think you're wrong. It seems like everybody was
drafting Steelers under the belief that Aaron Rodgers was going
to sign there, right, Like, I don't think DK metcalfs

(09:57):
adp is what it is on the belief that Mason
Rudolph was going to be the starting quarterback.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
So like, are we done?

Speaker 3 (10:05):
Now?

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Can we stop talking about the Steelers offense for a
little while?

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Yeah? I think now for the first time we could
actually talk about it in a sense of like, I
think it's an awful fit for DK Metcalf, like, he
is a twenty seven percent target share last year. We're
all deep of his targets. I mean, we're all deep targets.
And then you have Aaron Rodgers who's throwing the deep
ball less than ever last year and I had the

(10:30):
second lowest are yards per attempt of all qualified quarterbacks.
And then on top of all of this, you had
a guy that I think could have fit better in
Russell Wilson. But you also had a guy who, in
Russell Wilson, was being paid a lot by another team
and was like, I'm going to sign for the vet minimum.
Aaron Rodgers currently being paid a whole lot of money
by the New York Jets still like, nah, I'm taking

(10:53):
fourteen million, So like, be careful what you wish for. Man,
Had you had a guy who wanted to be a
Steeler and I think a better fit and you just
let them go?

Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, I mean even Russ in his diminished state the
last couple of years, has been.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Better than Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
He's been a better, more productive quarterback than Aaron Rodgers.
Is this the LaQuan Is this the lineup? Is this
the roster that gets Mike Tomlin fired?

Speaker 4 (11:24):
I don't want to say yes because I want time
in the retire you know, with the nine amusing season.

Speaker 5 (11:30):
But uh, this could be very challenging.

Speaker 4 (11:33):
This It could be one of those situations where you know,
if it's October November and it ain't looking like playoffs,
he might as well resign his cell phone on respectful terms.

Speaker 5 (11:43):
Because I see this being a train wreck.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
Like I don't know what we're gonna get out of
Aaron Rodgers if he's going to be like the four
thousand yard passer, the thirty touchdowns, playoffs, but the playoffs
aren't the goal for the Steelers, Like we know that
that's a given, like they're going to the playoffs, but
can we get beyond that?

Speaker 2 (12:01):
You know? That's like I.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Mean, like anything, Yeah, in the past, it has been
given that they're going to the playoffs. Like I'm not sold,
Like this is a I'm not sold this is a
playoff team right now? Right?

Speaker 4 (12:16):
I think we say that a lot with the Steelers,
that this is not a playoff team, and then somehow
they scrap their way with Kenny Picken and Mason Rudolph, like.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Except saying, you figure, you know, Baltimore is probably still
the best team in the AFC North. You know, we'll
see if the Bengals can figure out how to not
start like oh to three.

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Bill's Ravens Chiefs are three of the seven seeds.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
Bill, Raves, Schust are in the playoffs for sure.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
The Chargers, I think could could definitely slide into the playoffs.
The Broncos could for sure. So that's five teams right there.
You know, if the Dolphins can figure it out a
little bit, they can probably make it a spot.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
Well, he didn't mention like the you know who wins
the AFC South, so.

Speaker 5 (13:02):
They get one, they get one automatically.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Regardless of how you feel about if they get a spot. Right, So,
I mean it's about six. The Steelers right now are
very much on the playoff bubble.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I mean, I know it's June, but just looking at
them on paper, they're very much on the playoff bubble.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
I don't think the Bengals are guaranteed though.

Speaker 1 (13:22):
No, no, But I think I think they are a good
team that has put themselves in bad situations the last
few years.

Speaker 4 (13:29):
Because I'm trying to wonder like who's playing defense, Like
are we there's that?

Speaker 2 (13:33):
No, there's that, there's that.

Speaker 3 (13:34):
Part for sure, saying two out of the three of Bengals, Chargers,
Broncos will be in the playoffs. Yeah, so if you
put it out fair South and then the Ravens Chief spills,
that's six teams, six spots, So.

Speaker 5 (13:52):
That seventh spot is wide open.

Speaker 4 (13:54):
It seems like the Steelers, it seems like that's them.

Speaker 3 (13:58):
I think that is like the worst possible outcome because
they're not going to be good enough to beat any
of those top seeds and then they're gonna be exactly
where they are now, just kicking the can down the
road another year, looking for a new quarterback next year,
trying to figure out who it is. Like Steer fans
that I talked to are like, we like they know
this is a spoiled problem in a way, but they're like,

(14:19):
we're sick of making the playoffs. Like give us a
bottom out year where we could just reset and kind
of get the new QB. Because they've been in this
motion now since Big Ben late career.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
Like, yeah, it's not Ben to Mason, Kenny Russell justin
now Aaron Rodgers.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
I mean that seems.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
Not great.

Speaker 5 (14:42):
Spoiled though, but not great.

Speaker 3 (14:43):
I get it not And like, let's say, Rogers retires
after this year, where's you going for this one year
stop gap? Back to Russell Wilson.

Speaker 5 (14:51):
Like Will Howard sees in.

Speaker 3 (14:55):
No, no, it could be, but I don't like Alwin
wouldn't allow it to be.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Man, you know it's gonna happen. Actually is it's gonna be. Uh,
you know it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
It's gonna be. Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
First of all, watch your mouth. Why did you say
staff What do you do when we have a two
year window?

Speaker 2 (15:15):
Sir?

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Look at the hate that comes off of his lips
fort here talking about Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 3 (15:22):
I'm just saying, like, you know, he's okay, they have been.

Speaker 1 (15:27):
Until he goes somewhere else and then suddenly you're just like, Nope.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
You're fat, you're old.

Speaker 4 (15:33):
Nope, see he's he's not a core Ram Like we
didn't draft him. So there's rules in criteria to this.

Speaker 5 (15:41):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (15:42):
If Matthew Stafford leaves after two years and go plays
for the freaking who knows that, the Jets, who cares?
I'm not gonna be hating him. We got the ring,
be good, great times, happy times.

Speaker 3 (15:52):
We're off to the next We keep it moving. What
if he's going to the Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
Okay, then wearing a different game.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
This is some some Moan Biles levels of gymnastics here
that you got going on with this man, Like I
I man, okay, look man, oil to the core, don't
go against the rim. Okay, sure, uh, Texan inspected to
sign Nick Chubb. But I almost spend a lot of

(16:21):
time on this. I mean, look, I think from a
human interest story, would love to see Nick Chubb come
back in and have some success. But look, you are
you are maybe the biggest Joe Mixon supporter on this show.
I'm not gonna sit here and pretend that like Nick
Chubb is gonna threaten mixing at this point, but like,
just how much do we think he has left after
some major major injuries the last couple of years.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Like I saw a.

Speaker 4 (16:45):
Couple of people in the fantasy streets yesterday like overreacting
like oh, Joe Mixon touches are going to come down
the earth, and like he's barely going to get over
two hundred because Nick Chubb and Nick saw because we
saw Nick Chubb return back and it wasn't great an
efficiency level, It wasn't great to see him not have
that burst and have that type of anger that he
runs with that he used to and obvious reasons, there

(17:06):
has to be some type of hesitation recovering back from
this serious knee injury, Like it it's like snapped in
half people, and this is the same knee that he
damaged in college. Like this is scary, you know, Like
I think him being a backup to Jill Mixing is
more so of like he'll get touches here and there
when Mixing is burnt out, because Mixing is doing duality
of that backfield of catching the ball and running the ball.

(17:28):
So I could see Nick Chubb having some type of
like red zone presence. But I'm not like really scared
at all.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, I mean that's sort of how I feel about this.
Like I would love to see Nick Chubb kind of
get back to form and be productive. And apparently he
has officially signed so one year deal worth up to
five million dollars. Uh, thank you Gavin for the update.
I would love to see him go back to being
you know, productive again. I just you know, I don't know,

(17:57):
I just don't don't really see it.

Speaker 3 (18:00):
You get to a certain point whereas injuries win.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Like yeah, they injuries win, and I think I think
that's kind of where we are right now with Nick Chubb.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Unfortunately.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Greg Roman says the Chargers wide receiver corps is night
and day different than last year Florial, but.

Speaker 5 (18:19):
Like is it though, Like no, really not at all?

Speaker 2 (18:23):
I mean the drafted Trey Harris, but like really.

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Maybe he's a reason they subtract Josh Palmer bring in
Trey Harris, which we'll see, like there's more potential there,
but will it hit right away, like like we know
what Palmer was, We'll see. But I think what he
means by this quote is something that Bill gm Brandon
Bean said earlier this offseason that Bill's fans like attacked

(18:47):
him for. Where I think he.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
Means is like the.

Speaker 3 (18:51):
Confidence they have in this group is night and day
because like lad McConkie has proven that he is a
wide receiver one at the NFL level, whereas last year
you have never even played a snap in the NFL,
like Quentin Johnston. I think they have at least some
ore reason to feel a little bit more confident than
they did at this time last year. So very similar room,

(19:12):
but I could see why they feel a lot better
about it because they saw Ladin McConkie ball out in
front of the whole league and was like, yeah, we're
in good hands for the next ten years.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
I just I mean, I saw the quote like night
and day different. I was like, I mean, they brought
back Mike Williams, they drafted Trey Harris, Like, yeah, there
are some different faces in the room than were there
last year. Yeah, but I don't know that this group
as a whole and what the expectations for them are
is going to be significantly different than what it was

(19:46):
last year. That that whole thing just made me laugh.
Mini camps underway on to do a few like big
deal or no deals. You know, have to spend a
ton of time on these because a lot of these,
you know, it's June, it's mini camp.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
What are you gonna do with.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
Kwant's Sarry McLaurin looking for a new deal. He didn't
go to ot as he is not at mini camp
right now for the Commander's big.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Deal or no deal.

Speaker 5 (20:07):
A big deal.

Speaker 4 (20:08):
I think he wants to lock up like a long
term contract to be able to align with Jayden Daniels.
So I think it's a big deal now because he's underpaid,
Like he's getting the same salary as Deebo Samuel right now.
And that's one of those things where I would feel
disrespected if I've been a consistent, you know, wide receiver
for you guys for the last six seasons, Like it

(20:29):
doesn't make sense why you know, he has to pound
the table to get paid. They should take care of him.
But I think this is a big deal because it's
going to be time missed. If this leaks into training camp,
you know, they'll have this little mini camp, you know,
week of like having this distraction. But if this five
week break that they have until training camp and then
it leaks over to them, that's going to be a

(20:49):
huge issue.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
I think right now it's one of the things we
do this every year, right with holdouts and that sort
of thing, you know. And I'll say what I always say,
it's June right now, I'm not really worried about it.
We get into July, my concern level will go up.
We get into August, it goes up a little bit higher.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
You know. If we get through the majority of the
preseason and we're.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Still talking about this, then my concern level goes up
for now I'm leaning I'm a small.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
Deal closer to no deal about My concern is if
this does leak, and like let's use Brandon Ayuk for example,
how old he started, yeah and ended up getting hurt.
Your body needs to be in football condition at top
tier with no stress of being paid or not. And
I think that plays a factor into this with Terry
mclauren because again we need him there for that chemistry

(21:43):
to build with these new people and new faces in
the building.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Although look, if I'm risking my body at the chance
of getting hurt, I want to make sure I get
paid for it too.

Speaker 5 (21:52):
Exactly it lock him up.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
If he gets paid at some point this month, we'll
totally forget that this even happened. But true with your
both your points, if this is still going on come August,
then then we have, like we have to knock him down.
I will say, though I'm expecting to be I think
I am every year, but I'm expecting to be the
high guy on Terry McLaurin. I haven't been ranked as

(22:14):
a wide receiver one.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Okay, look at that, but it also fits considering how
high you are on Jaden Daniels too.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Right, So like it. It sort of tracks that way.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Yeah, he has used target since his rookie year, but
his best fantasy season, and I'm just like, they're gonna
throw the ball more that naturally. In my opinions, I think.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
He's a third round pick, so it's like you just
have to make that decision. If he's the best of
that third round of available wide receivers right there, and
I think he is, I would not.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
Taking him in a round two, so that I think
he's a good value right now.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
This summer, Terri mcclorn is going to be a Google
guy in the sense of like you're gonna be on
the clock and you're gonna google, like, hey man, what's
the latest update on Terry McLaurin.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Like before you just pay him.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
If you were the Commanders, you watched with your eyes
last seas and behind him, your top option was zach
Ertz and you made the NFC Championship game, Like, just
pay this guy. He is worth the money for sure.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Rannie Morris today speaking at mini camp for the Falcons,
talked about he is a said he has a matchup problem.
I'll let you guys, Gloria Glorial big deal or no
deal man, Like you know.

Speaker 3 (23:24):
This is no deal. Like I want this to be
a big deal. But how many times and how many
different coaches are we gonna hear say this about Kyle Pitts.
It's every year, right, like all this is the year
that And like I won't lie in my best ball
drafts right now, Like I'm taking Kyle Pitts because his
ADP is like tight end eighteen, so I have him

(23:47):
on a couple of teams as my second tight end
or whatever. But like I'm not getting sucked in again,
Like I need to see it actually happen on the
football field before I allow my emotions to get hurt again.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, I mean this is no deal.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Like however you felt about Kyle Pitts coming into this,
you're not changing because you hear this.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
It's not like if you were, if.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
You somehow we're still there on Kyle Pitt's island. One,
you're probably really lonely. But two two, this is not
it's not it's not changing your you know you're feeling
if you're if you jumped off, you swam off the island,
or you got a boat ride out.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
You're not turning around just because you hear this, So yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:28):
Yeah, that's that's not a big deal. Let's let's just
move on. I'm just gonna slip this in right now
because Gavin just let us know, and I saw it
on Twitter after he let let us know. Miles Garrett
was asked about Aaron Rodgers playing in his division and
he said, I think it's a good opportunity to put
him in the graveyard.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
Love that, I mean, Tyler Rake style.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
I mean, if we're if we're keeping it a bus
I mean, like he almost put another Steelers quarterback in
the graveyard.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
He actually had like his it's Halloween right where he
does that, Like he makes his yard a graveyard of
all the QBC secked. He's crazy enough where that's not
just on Halloween. Like I think he just lives that way.

Speaker 2 (25:19):
That's just that's just his house.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
I mean what he did to Mason Rudolph a few
years ago too. So yeah, all right, good luck Aaron,
Good luck. James Cook is at Bill's Mini Camp Floria.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
I'm guessing you think this is a big deal.

Speaker 3 (25:37):
Oh, this is a ginormous deal. No, Like I wasn't
worried about him missing like voluntary camp and stuff like that.
And I still think the best case scenario for both
parties is to work something out, even if it's a
one year like renegotiate the amount of money or whatever,
Like the Bills offense is better with James Cook and

(25:58):
the Bills offense is James cook best landing spot, So
like make it work. And and if so, I think
we're looking at James Cook as a solid bat. Like
I don't know if if he falls because of the
contract stuff or if he falls just because people are
like concerned if he's gonna do what he did last
year again or whatever. But I have him on a

(26:20):
number of basketball teams where he just like I didn't
want James Cook, but I was like, oh, James Cook
is still here, Like yeah, I'll take him. He's falling
way past his ADP.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Yeah, I mean I but I do wonder whether or
not that ADP comes up now if he's showing up
with me camp and the hope that hey, you know,
maybe things are working out. Two side's gonna be okay.
So I wonder if that's going to impact ADP as well.
Something to watch, something to watch for.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
But you know, he's in the back end of the
third round. It isn't terrible. It should's terrible, honestly. Yeah,
him and Kirn are like close. Yeah, I don't know
how much more movement he's gonna get. We'll see for sure.

Speaker 2 (26:55):
All Right, there we go, Let's get into our wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (26:58):
What if?

Speaker 2 (26:59):
After a quick breakstick around?

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Coming up more of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Time for a few what if? I got five of
them right here?

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Some of them we've already sort of touched on, but
I felt like it'd be fun to kind of dive
in a little bit a little bit more with here
in this little section here. So first one, we kind
of talked about this earlier. I think last week it
was Laurio, what if Brian Thomas Junior isn't really that dude?
Because you got to pay a high price right now

(27:31):
to get him?

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Yeah, why are you like first round price? And if
you put this on the internet, the internet will come
for you. Because after our show last week, I was like,
I want to do some digging into this, and I
did a lot of digging and put out a whole
thread and like, it depends on how you view it,
because if you look at just your stats, he was
objectively amazing, but he was better with Mac Jones and

(27:56):
Trevor Lawrence. He was significantly better and more utilized whenever
in Ingram and Christian Kirk weren't out there. And it
wasn't until all of that happened in week thirteen on
that he broke out now and a lot of people
in my mentions being like, well, that's called being a
rookie and getting better as you go, and like they
finally decided to use him as a wide receiver one

(28:17):
and stuff like that. But I do think it adds
a little bit of volatility, like it, And I said
this on a different show I was on the other day,
Like you hear people be like, I don't know if
I want Jonathan Taylor because so much of his production
came in a short sample size. But you don't hear
anyone say that about Brian Thomas Junior. And that was

(28:38):
one hundred percent the case. Like again, much better at
Mac Jones and when all of the other targets were gone,
and he I think it depends on how you view
Travis Hunter and how big of a threat he is
to steal volume away. But I think Travis Hunter is amazing,
So like they have a legit one two punch there.
I still have Brian Thomas Junior ranked as a wide
receiver one, but like I have aj Brown ahead of him.

(29:02):
I know that is something you don't see in ADP
and stuff. And then I think like him versus Nico Collins,
him vers Laden McConkey. To me, those are legit conversations,
but they're not going to be in fantasy drafts. Like
Brian Thomas Junior is gonna go way before, like not
way before because they're all early picks, but he's gonna
go before those guys.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Well and LaQuan Floya mentioned when I was gonna get
to the Jaguars spent the number two overall pick on
Travis Hunter and immediately said, oh no, he's a wide receiver, right,
and like, like, I get it. Two wide receivers can
certainly coexist in the same space at the same time
and both be very productive. But I don't know, should

(29:40):
we take something away from that that Liam Cohen was
immediately like, oh no, no, no, no, we are making
this man wide receiver.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
We're gonna get him the ball.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Like that feels like that's, you know, not that they're
dumping on Brian Thomas, Like they don't think he's bad,
but they obviously feel like they need somebody in there
to sort of compliment him in this offense.

Speaker 4 (30:00):
I think what we're missing here too. Also it comes
down to Trevor mid Lawrence. Can he support, yeah, Travis
Hunter and Brian Thomas Junior, which I think it's on
the table that he could. He was able to support
Evan Ingram and Christian Kirk. These are obviously different duos
of wide receivers and pass catcher that we're talking about
right now. But Brian Thomas Junior ADP is not reflecting

(30:21):
any type of like impact of Travis Hunter, which.

Speaker 5 (30:24):
Plays a huge risk. Like Flurio said that he has
a J.

Speaker 4 (30:27):
Brown ranked hired in him, I actually have Drake London
ranked hired him just based on security of the offense
that he's in. Drake London likely is going to have
that twenty seven to twenty eight percent target share because
we've seen it. We've seen it done with Kirk Cousins
and with Michael Pennix. So I feel like with Brian
Thomas Jr. He needs to come down a little bit
for me to be interested in taking that gamble with him,

(30:48):
because at the same time, we don't know what Travis
Hunter is going to do on offense. He could honestly
be the one b of this situation where he can
eat into some of that volume that Brian Thomas Junior
saw in the back end, and it out as well
that he had better production with mac Jones Mac Jones
and it's like, yeah, exactly like what happened with Trevor

(31:09):
Lawrence in that beginning of the season, which I think, honestly,
if we give some leeway, some slack to Trevor Lawrence,
it's more so the beginning of the season. Brian Thomas
j is a rookie. He has this chemistry already built
with his top two pass catchers with Evan Ingram and
Christian Kirk. But throughout the time the nine games that
Trevor LaRence was there, we kind of seen Brian Thomas
develop into the obviously number one target.

Speaker 5 (31:30):
So there's both.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Sides of the defense where you can come out with
a great wide receiver, one that can hit those pinnacles
that you think he can hit with Trevor Lawrence, or
he could be a bust and end up being a
low win wide receiver too. Because of the Travis Hunner impact.
So I'm pivoting, you know, if he's going to be
that first round price.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, so far.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
When I've been there late round, late first round and
he's on the board, I just I've been hesitant to
take him so far just because of that. And look,
here's it. This could be a'man Ross Saint Brown all
over again.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Right. Remember I'm on Ros's rookie year.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
He got hot at the end of the season and
a lot of people said, well, it's because the Lions
had a bunch of injuries and he was the only
healthy guy there, and let's be really cautious. And then
the next year ours Bo went out and balled again
and we were all like, okay, no, this guy actually
is hashtag good. So you know this, I think this
is the opportunity for Brian Thomas.

Speaker 4 (32:21):
He's a good proof, but we had to question the quarterback.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
That's where I'm at with it.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Which side note to that Trevor mid Lawrence sounds like
a second rate character in a Thor comic. It's like
Thor Loki and then like they went on an adventure
with Trevor mid Lawrence.

Speaker 3 (32:37):
You know, yeah, I also I know I'm about to
sound like a hater, like like LQ with Cooper Cup,
but I remember I remember watching Brian Thomas Junior late
in the season. I was playing him in a in
a big fantasy matchup or something like that, and he

(32:58):
had like an eighty nine yard like touchdown or something
like that, like don't quote me in the exact yards,
but it was an insanely super long touchdown where I
remember being like there was literally no one in his vicinity,
Like it was a complete broken play. And I was
just gonna say, like fantasy community loves to point that
out when it's Quentin Johnston, but when we put blinders on,

(33:23):
you know, like like I remember a number of broken
plays benefiting Brian Thomas Junior in.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
That maybe he's that good at route running, you know,
Quent Johnson either well it's either he gets the broken
the broken play, he gets the touchdown, or he drops it.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Who knows that that's the problem? Man?

Speaker 1 (33:44):
All right, lakwan, what if there are too many wide
receivers in Houston? Oh well, there's that feeling. It was
like a real possibility.

Speaker 4 (33:56):
You kind of feel bad for Nico Collinson because it's like,
all right, man, we need you to be the wide
receiver one that we're paying for in this first round
or on the turn in the second round. If Higgins, Noel,
Christian Kirk, if any of these guys step up and
we don't get a productive Nico Collins or healthy Nico Collins,

(34:16):
I feel kind of left out, you know. I kind
of feel like I'm left with the bag, the bag
of who you know drafting Nicil Collins because he's he's
one of those guys you have to worry about with
the injury concern, you have to worry about Stroud bouncing
back with the offensive line being terrible, and then these
new faces, these new guys. Who's to say that Jaden
Higgins doesn't become like the red zone threat. Who's to
say Noel doesn't become c J. Strout's immediate target because

(34:40):
Christian Kirk is basically regressing. But he's one of those
guys that I feel like he'll become like a security
blanket for c J. Strout if this old line is
still bad. So that makes Nico suffer on the deep
ball where he's electric, where he's the best freaking dominant
wide receiver out there when that thing is going and jailing,
So there's a lot of question marks, you know, with
this wide receiver if they're going to be with the

(35:01):
gel and like everybody can eat. But again I'm a
little hesitant on Nico because his price is high too,
like Brian Thomas Junior as well.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
I mean this time last year Florida, we were talking
about the Texans wide receiver group and the Packers wide
receiver group sort of in similar terms. The difference being
the Packers were probably a little bit cheaper in drafts
because you know, we love Nico Collins, people were excited
about Tank Dell, Stefan Diggs had come over, so there's

(35:28):
nothing more excitement, more hype around them, and you had
to pay a higher draft prize for them. But in
the end, and look in the middle of the injuries
had something to do with it. But in the end,
neither of those wide receiver rooms was very satisfying. We've
already sort of washed our hands of Green Bay, Like
what's stopping us from sort of doing the same with
the Texans right now.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
The difference is the Texans have an alpha wide receiver,
make like Nico Collins was the Alpha when he was
sharing the field with Steph Diggs and tanked out no
offense to Christian Kirk and these rookies. They're all fighting
for scraps in my opinion, behind Nico Collins. My concern
with Nico is what is the health of CJ. Shroud's
shoulder right now? What is the state of that old line.

(36:12):
But I don't have concerns about these other wide receivers
eating like heavily into his workload. I think they're all
complimentary pieces. And I like to me again, if you
stood out after the big acquisition of Steph Diggs and
when Tank Dell was still what we thought was Tank Dell, like,
I think you're gonna be fine pushing aside a couple

(36:33):
of Day two rookies and Christian Kirk at this point.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
Yeah, I didn't put you know, we're gonna do like
a draft prices, right.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
I didn't put Nico Collins in there. But maybe we
can talk about that one too.

Speaker 3 (36:45):
He's in there in the nasty work.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
It's just a tough situation. Laurya. What a father time
is finally caught up to Mike Evans.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Look, I know at some point it's going to happen,
but I don't think this is the year because I
am a big believer and it's something that I've changed
my approach in the last couple of years. I used
to think that I could find the player that was
going to age well and stuff, and it's just an
effort in futility, right, like some are going to age
better than others and stuff. But in my opinion, if

(37:16):
you have a rule of like when an agent player
and for receivers aging to me is over thirty years
old shows a sign of decline and their metrics and
stuff like that, believe them because we talk about it
all the time on the show. The age cliff happens
very fast. In the NFL. Usually see a year where
a player is not quite himself, and you could always

(37:36):
write that up to different reasons. But then usually it
look at Tyler Lockett right like two years ago, it
was like, okay, that might be the sign of a decline,
and then the next year he was unusable in fantasy,
like Cooper Cup is another one. Stuff like that happens fast.
But I look at Mike evans metrics and his yards
per route last year was the tide his career high,

(37:58):
his yards per target, his separation, all of that it
was either on par with his career norm or even higher.
His worst years, believe it or not, were the two
final years with Tom Brady metric wise, which was for
for a bit why I thought Mike Evans was starting
to fall off. But he has just been so good
these last couple of years that and I feel like

(38:20):
you get that discount baked in his ADP a bit
because Mike Evans never gets drafted as a wide receiver one,
yet routinely is up there with the wide receiver one,
so you get him as like a mid wide receiver two.
I think you're getting that discount baked in.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
Should I not freaked out LaQuan about the fact that
it took him to the very last play of the
regular season to get Mike Evans over one thousand yards
last year they had they.

Speaker 2 (38:46):
Had to run to play specifically, and everybody.

Speaker 4 (38:50):
Was coming right like the just held hands together and
like do it, Mike.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
We all shared, we all ad sheered four.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
We did.

Speaker 2 (38:58):
It was exciting, you know, like.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
What you're saying, no, no, no, I think if we
get Mike Evans healthy and we saw, you know, his
production actually increase with guys like Chris Goden go down
and injury, like the volume is going to be there,
and Baker Mayfield is playing really good football now, like
this is a brand new, invented, paid Tampa Bay Baker Mayfield,
Like we're not questioning the quarterback position right now. So

(39:23):
I'm expecting good production out of Mike Evans. He's one
of those guys that I'm ready to die on the
hill for. I'm drafting him every single year as a
high end wide receiver too on my team because it's
like to get Mylik Neighbors and Mike Evans in the
third round, I feel like that is just a beautiful
way to start. And I think how I attacked a
couple of these best ball drafts. He's falling even less
than the third round. So it's like people are forgetting

(39:45):
that Mike Evans is still in alpha. He's still him,
Like the thousand yard thing ain't easy to do, and
he's out there doing it even though he was forced
fed last year though, but we're still going to champion.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Was twelve hundred yards, like he did miss three games
last year.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
And it's still ridiculous, so that he's still going out
there being as productive as he is. I mean it's
really insane. So I'm dying on the hill with Mike
Evans man the age.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
I beat the Age.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Okay, No, it's fine, you know, I bet. I feel
like we just have to ask the question. That's cool.
Uh lakwan? What if Sean Payton finds out who Marvin
Mims is?

Speaker 4 (40:20):
This is funny to me when I saw it too,
because I was like, he's probably not ever gonna find
out who this man.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Like.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
It's just one of those things where like he had
that big surge at the back end in the season.
I know, you know Sean Payton saw that because he
actually is averaging fourteen Fantasy points for a game from
week ten and on. So it's one of those things
that he had those big surges in the game, especially
the last two where he hit like twenty plus Fantasy
points in back to back games. It's more so you
look at the snap percentage, and that's why you don't

(40:47):
think that Sean Payton knows who he is. He's playing
thirty two percent into snaps in that time frame even
with that surge, So obviously he's a weapon of the offense.
He's going to be deployed at certain moment. So his
role is to be that and Troy Franklin are basically
trading off on that that nine route that they hit
every single time when they make the big place. But
it's more so you got Pat Bryant there, that's that

(41:08):
new toy, and you're going to be hearing about him
uring camp. So I'm waiting for I got all the
beat writers basically highlighted and all my top tabs you
know for blue Sky on Twitter, so I already know
Pat Brian's going to make an impact in that wide
receiver room. So it's like, oh, who's Marvin Minn.

Speaker 5 (41:23):
Oh that guy?

Speaker 4 (41:24):
Yeah, so there's that and yes, oh this is wide
receiver three.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Yes, I know you're going to no, Actually that what
I was gonna say at all. I'll say.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
All you've done, though, is by setting up all your
tabs with beat writers from Denver, you just you've created
your own little echo chamber because when you because when
one guy or when one right reporter says it, like
all of them are going to say it, and you're
gonna be bombarded with all this like you know, positive
or negative Pat Bryant news, and your emotions just gonna
swing wildly one way or another because that is.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
Very true because I don't know many beat writers that
write for Denver or report for Denver, so it's one
of those things I don't had a trusted source it,
so I'm going to try to pick thure.

Speaker 3 (42:02):
It out so that out soon, all right.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Also, I'm going to just go to you for any
Denver Broncos stuff because you are like, you're you're a
Broncos guy now yea.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
And r J. Harvey Man the Knicks, Pat Brown, We're
all in on the offense.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (42:18):
I saw Florio on Insiders yesterday talking about Boat Knicks
as well. Man, Look, I don't like him as much
as you.

Speaker 3 (42:25):
I'm not going to claim to be the next guy,
but to.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
Me, you are the guy that you are the next guy.
You're just the k n I C k oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:35):
Yeah, tape baby.

Speaker 3 (42:37):
It is. Also, how's that superstar status working out? Tyre's Halliburton?
I mean thirteen points per game or something like that.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
They did win game one of the series.

Speaker 3 (42:48):
Yeah, he did nothing for forty seven minutes. I'm not
saying he's not a good player, but you're not a star.
If you could vanish for four quarters and your team could.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
Still I Neede Gavin said, but that forty eighth minute man, man, Hey,
he's club. I guess I need to find somebody that
I hate the way LaQuan hates Cooper Cup in the
way you hate Tyree's Aliburton.

Speaker 3 (43:12):
I don't hate many athletes, but he is a top
him in that entire Indiana Pacers team.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
And I don't hate Cooper Cup. I hate his decision making.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
That's it. That's about all right, fair enough, Floria. What
if all the rookies are just men at wide receiver.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
You know, it would be very unfortunate in NFL teams
would be very upset. I will say, this is the
first time in a while where I'm not like like,
I like Travis Hunter a lot, but you have to
take him like as a wide receiver to right around
like DeVonta Smith and and McMillan and those guys. So

(43:53):
like last year, I was pounding the table from elite neighbors,
I was really in Marvin Harrison junior, and we're going
to talk about him, like, I like this wide receiver class,
but I'm not crazy in love with it like I
was in past year. So I think this is very
much possible. In fact, I'll say I have a lot
of shares of the late round dart throw rookies like

(44:15):
Pat Bryant and those guys. I'm not as like I
have a couple in my best ball of Travis Hunter
and McMillan and stuff, But I'm not. It's not like
last year where I'm or even every year probably for
the last like five years, where there's rookies that you
could just like pound the table on. Like I do
think this class. We said it during the draft, and
I'm feeling it now like it does that the high

(44:36):
end talent feels a little bit weaker than it typically.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Is well and even like, look I looked at it
like the high end talent landed in spots where you're
not really in love with the quarterback situation, you know,
like you look at Tech McMillan. You know, Bryce Young
definitely improved last year compared to where he was his
rookie year, but we're still not looking at Bryce Young
as this guy who's just gonna feed fantasy families, right,

(45:00):
And so like what said, the bill is kind of eh,
Travis Hunter, I mean, I know how you feel about
Trevor mid Lawrence right off running the front and side
quests with Thorn Loki, you know, and so.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
He would hang out with the with uh I get
I'm not thinking of his superhero name, the dude from
Parks and Rick Chris.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Pratt character, Oh star Lord. Yeah, he'd be with that.

Speaker 4 (45:21):
He's a Yeah, Trevor mid Lawrence is one of the Guardians.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
Okay, that's fair that's fair enough. I'm looking.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
But you know, you look at the guys who are
in maybe better offenses, right, but a meccabuga is buried
on the depth chart, Luthor Burden. There's a lot of
competition there, Matthew Golden. I mean, let's not get into
the packers ride receivers again. You know, Higgins and Knowle
Jack Besh I think is down the list there in
Las Vegas.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
I mean, there just aren't a lot of easy like.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
You know, like last year, we look at the Laite
neighbors were like, yeah, man, that's the dude. I mean,
we thought that about Marvin Harrison Junior. That didn't work
for various reasons, but.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
We saw that.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
We saw the vision, right, we saw the vision with Harrison.
There's nobody here in this group that I look at him.
I'm like, yep, that's the dude that's gonna eat for
sure this year.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
No, and I think that's the biggest problem just based
on where some of these guys are going, like Travis
Hunter and Tim McMillan, they're going in the fourth round.
I'd rather not take that gamble there. I rather take
proven talent. Like if you ask me, it may sound crazy,
I might take Sutton, I might take George Pickens. I
might pivot to these other players that I feel like
in the better positions. Yeah, and like guys like that

(46:30):
I'd rather have in that round. But honestly, how heavy
the first three rounds are going with these wide receivers.
I'm honestly not looking in the fourth round for a
wide receiver rookie, Like I'm not looking there for any
upside for a guy because, to be honest, I'm looking
for a running back there. I feel like the position
is stronger in that fourth fifth round at the running
back spot than to gamble with some of these other

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guys like a Jameis Williams or a Travis Hunter. Like
I said, like that is the two areas, like I
kind of pivot to.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
I'm in on Jamison Williams this year.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
I would you take DeVonta Smith or those rookies. Smith,
I think I think he's going Sandwich last I looked
at their ADP. I think it's he's right in between
the two rookies.

Speaker 5 (47:17):
That's disrespectful.

Speaker 3 (47:18):
Then yeah, I'll take I'll think that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
I'll take Skinny Batman.

Speaker 4 (47:21):
You know what it is though, it's people that are
just now coming outside, like for fantasy and drafting. Because
I did see Ted like all, I did not realize
he was going in the fourth round.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
I thought he was later.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
I have a friend who just did like a best
ball for the first time this week, and he was like,
I don't know any of these rookies. So like, I
think there's other people who are starting to draft who
are like they think it's fun to draft a rookie
and stuff.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
You know, could be good.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
Be all right, that's our our what it's gonna come
back after a break and do a draft prices, right
some uh two highs too lows on some current wide
receiver ADPs. That's coming up next on the NFL Fantasy
Football Podcast.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
Final segment of the show. We're gonna do a little
bit of draft prices, right.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
We did it last week with running backs, we do
it this week with some wide receivers. I got five
guys on the list, not the Burger place. I'm on
Ross Saint Brown talked about him a little bit earlier.
How you know, is Brian Thomas Junior maybe a redo
of that. We'll see wide receiver six right now. And
we got news was last week that he had gone

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through some offseason surgery. So I mean, knowing all of
that right now, and no Ben Johnson Florida wide receiver six,
too high, too low.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
There's always a third option in the story of just run.
And that's I think because I have him ranked as
wide receiver six. I have Melik Neighbor literally my shirt
and LQ shirt ahead of him with Pooka and Melik Neighbors.
And I put that on Twitter the other day and
people thought it was like a hot take, I guess,
and I'm like, well, not only did he lose Ben Johnson,

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they also lost past game coordinator, so it is a
first time play caller in Detroit. Plus they lost two
interior offensive linemen and they have a pretty tough schedule
this year, like it just the knee surgery. All of that,
I'm looking at Molik neighbors with the QB upgrade. I
think his upside is wide receiver one. I think Puka
Nakua is upside as wide receiver one. I think Amana

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Saint Brown's upside is like top three, top five. I
don't know if he quite has wide receiver one in
his range of outcomes.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah, I don't think he's an overall wide receiver one,
but I think yeah. I say this, when you're drafting
a guy in that area, that range, it's not because
you think he's going to be the best or you
think he's going to be like the sixth best wide receiver.
It's that the range of outcomes for that guy is
a lot narrower than for other players. And I think
that's what it is for for ours at this one.

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We started of talking about this before Lakwan. Marvin Harrison Junior.
The videos, not the videos, the pictures are floating around
social media. Apparently he's discovered lifting weights or something.

Speaker 3 (50:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Great he's super jacked if you haven't seen it yet.
The Cardinals put out a picture of Marvin Harrison Junior
in his jersey and dude's got triceps on top of triceps.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Now definitely not airbrush or anything.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Definitely not photoshopped or airbrushed or enhanced in any way.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
Possibly still do at all, I'm sure. So I'm sure
somebody still does.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
But right now he's going wide receiver fourteen after a
disappointing rookie season that too high, too low, or you know,
goldilocks just right too high.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
And I say that respectfully. And it's not him as
a talent that the problem is is that Drew Petsing.
This is his third year, but the same offensive just
boring and not creative. And then it's Kyla Murray who
can't connect with his wide receiver one. We haven't seen
it done in a very long time, so we're all
these question marks. I'm not in on it, like I'm
just not comfortable with it because it's like I'd rather
pivot to other options there because we talked about some

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of them. There's other wide receiver twos that have wide
receiver one type of Spike Weeks. I don't know if
Marvin Harrison is going to be as consistent to be
a wide receiver one on my team, So I'm just
going to drop him down further outside the top fifteen
until I see otherwise, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
I fourteen feels a little rich for me.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
The thing though, I keep coming back to he had
eight touchdowns last year, and I just like, I keep
going back on my head and like win and how
like it just right, Like it just didn't feel like
I saw a touchdown year.

Speaker 3 (51:26):
I circle that game.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Yeah, I mean like, I.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
Think the Cardinals played well against the forty nine ers
last year, and I think Harrison had a couple of
touchdowns against them, actually had won late in the season,
But overall, I'm just like, yeah, it just didn't feel
like it. Maybe because he never put up any big
yardage numbers. Really they're in season just the touchdown.

Speaker 5 (51:48):
They figured out how to use him in the red zone.
I'll tell you that they did quick.

Speaker 3 (51:52):
Stats on him, real quick. He had the second highest
rate of uncatchable targets amongst receivers, the most tight window targets,
and the fifth most unrealized air yards. Like, at some
point it's like what well l Q said, it's on
the OC. I think it's also on Kyler Murray.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
Like, well, Kyler can get.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
To the ball to the tight end into the running
backs and stuff, but the out wide deep throws are
the hardest ones to make in the NFL.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Kyler told us it's not his job to get Marvin
Harrison targets.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
He was.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
Right, to which we all universally said, no, bro, it
actually is your job.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
He said, Great, dorsch would be a wide receiver one
man if he's just a little bit taller, so he's
obviously all for the short kings.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
I forgot about Dorschland. I forgot all about that.

Speaker 5 (52:36):
We didn't forget. Don't worry.

Speaker 4 (52:38):
He's in a lot of my best ball leagues. I'm
still believing. Shut up Dorschland yet, Like, no, you know,
the amusement part won't starting to probably closer to August.

Speaker 5 (52:47):
But we'll see, we'll see.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
I'm sure that scooking the game will be there finding
criminals if the abandoned doors in the back.

Speaker 2 (52:57):
Florida.

Speaker 1 (52:57):
Matthew Golden right now is the wide receiver forty two.
For context, Jayden Reid is wide receiver forty three. Uh,
you know, I know we're not really in on the Packers.
This still feels wildly high for matt at least for
Matthew Golden.

Speaker 3 (53:11):
I I think it feels about right because there's like
you could sell yourself a pick like there's upside here
and stuff. But yeah, I guess I think it's too
high because I'm not taking like like Ricky Piersall goes
right ahead of him. I'd rather that a Brandon Ayuk
is going wide receiver forty six, I am taking him
all day at that college. Yeah, yeah, Like to me,

(53:34):
the forty nine ers receivers are the best bargain at
this PA, like as a whole, because the earliest ADP
is Juwan Jennings at wide receiver thirty five right now,
and then like Steph Diggs is in that range shakir.
So it depends on what you want, right Like, I
think you could make an argument that Golden has that
like untapped upside there. We don't know what he is
and everything, But there's a lot more like safe, proven

(53:57):
players that also have upside that I just find my. Like,
the forty nine ers guys are are my If they're
there in that range, I'm taking them.

Speaker 5 (54:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
I mean, I think the last year was not a
great year for the forty nine ers.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
A lot of guys were injured, they didn't play particularly well,
and I think that has scared a lot of people away.
At a lot of their current ADPs. I'm buying just
because I believe that they're still talent there. It's just
about keeping guys healthy and they're gonna They're gonna come back.

Speaker 2 (54:22):
Uh lakwan.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
Cooper Cup is wide receiver forty nine. Yeah, I'm too high,
too long.

Speaker 5 (54:30):
Listen man, listen.

Speaker 4 (54:31):
I will say this, if you were interested in drafting
Cooper Cup and wide receiver forty six, I would say this,
just make sure your other wide receivers are healthy. They're
on a team that actually have some type of assignments
and roles of who's playing what in the company quarterback
that doesn't fall off a cliff.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Why are you talking about the Seahawks Like they just
met in the parking lot before the game in the
side of the show up and play. They're faal team
with coaches and planning and we're gonna za Like, what
are you talking about?

Speaker 5 (55:02):
Listen?

Speaker 4 (55:02):
Cup saw Us smacked him twice a year every year
for years, and he chose that destination to go to.

Speaker 5 (55:09):
That is his fault.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
I am not drafting him this year. Honestly, I rather pivot.
I'll pivot. I don't see much of it like a
wide receiver wanted him anymore, which sounds crazy coming out
of my mouth.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
But for the past seasons, I.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Don't think he's a wide receiver one. I don't don't
think so at all. Which, by the way, you like,
we smacked them twice a year for a number of years.
Last year you split, two years ago, left, two years ago,
you swept, three years ago you got swept.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
Like this is not like smarket.

Speaker 5 (55:42):
Yes, relaxed like Jill.

Speaker 1 (55:48):
It's like it's like a joke from the Simpsons, like,
oh yeah, those losers in Shelbyville. We beat them half
the time anyway, Like means you lose them half the
time too, Like what are we doing?

Speaker 5 (55:57):
We have we have more success? How about that? We
got a ring? How about that?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
All right?

Speaker 1 (56:01):
I mean that's fine, but it's not like you smacked
them twice a year every year.

Speaker 4 (56:06):
They're in the Cardinals bag. They're the little brother and
then talks cramp to you like yeah, yeah, yeah, you
punch him in the arm real hard and I get away.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
All right.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
That's just what they are. I mean, they get lucky.
Sometimes every dog has their day.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
That's it. Okay, that heard this tweet. He's Kurt Cobain.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Uh yeah, the tweet going around since he looks like
Kurt Cobain now Kirk Cooper.

Speaker 2 (56:30):
Hair, the new hair.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
It looks like he hasn't showered in like a week.

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Man.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
He's he's about to join a Pearl Jam cover band.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
You know.

Speaker 1 (56:39):
It's like this is gonna do. It's gonna be great.
Last one year for you. Florio Xavier to get wide
receiver sixty five, which feels low considering he makes a
cameo in a new Glorilla video like What's going on
with Danny has some.

Speaker 3 (56:50):
Love for that, and he makes a cameo on our
show as well, yes summer, So I'm saying, uh, take him.
I will say though, like this might sound crazy, but
there's a lot of wide receivers. I like going wide,
like Kyle Williams's wide receiver fifty eight, MIMS is fifty
nine Hollywood Brown to me at sixty two is an

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auto draft every time I'm up and he's there, Like
I like just Palmer at sixty four, Loget sixty five,
Like there's still talent to be had here. So yeah,
I'm in on Xavier to get at that cost.

Speaker 1 (57:23):
Yeah, I think it's sixty five. I think that's that's
kind of a no brainer. I mean, yeah, I know
we're excited about Ted McMillan, but it was Leaguet that
led the team in both targets and catches last year
as they're trying to figure things out down there in Carolina.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
But you know, you should get the bump for being in.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
A Glorida Glorilla video where it looks like he's about
to like look up a glow video.

Speaker 2 (57:44):
Yeah, man, you didn't tell us when he was on
the show. I feel like I feel like he held
out on us.

Speaker 3 (57:53):
Man.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
I thought we were cool, but apparently or he.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
Couldn't tell us. He couldn't tell us some people.

Speaker 4 (57:57):
You know, it wouldn't be a surprise project because was
about to drop.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
So I know this summer is going to be all crazy.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
I don't lie it. On my Instagram it said her
and exavierly Get and I still was like, wait, xavierly
Gets in her music video. Yeah I saw the name.
I still believe it.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
Oh man?

Speaker 1 (58:16):
So yeah, but yeah, friend of the show and obviously
now a guy.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Who's making appearances in music videos. Uh so that's actually
I huh.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
I actually went to type it in Google and before
I could finish it. It's just like auto filled it,
said Exavierally get Glorila dating.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
I knew it.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
It's it's it's it's a rumor. Nobody knows. Basically because
he's in the video. People are like, are they dating?
But no one has confirmed anything just yet.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
What would their couple name being? Do people still do that?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
I mean, I don't think the couple's ever come up
with names. I think it's just the the paparazzi.

Speaker 3 (58:55):
I don't know, Yeah, Gully, I.

Speaker 2 (59:01):
Don't know, Like I don't know, Yeah, Glow get that.
That's weird. We'll work shot that.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
We'll keep work shopping that and try to figure out
something later on in the summer.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
A little bit of a housekeeping.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
For you as the the leaf blowers come by as
we wrap things up here.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
No cheat sheet coming up this week. We'll be back
with you next Tuesday.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
We will probably do some sort of mock draft something
or rather next week as well, but summer vacations happening,
guys are spreading all a little bit about the winds.
So no cheat sheet on on Thursday. Back with you
next tuesday as well, So there you go. I'll do
it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast,
The Happy, Safe and Healthy, do good and live well.
Watch out for leaf blowers, everybody, and we will talk

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