May 22, 2025 • 37 mins
Veteran RB Chase Edmonds joins the show to share updates on his recovery and what lies ahead as he eyes a return to the field in 2025. He offers sharp insight into some of the NFL’s most intriguing backfield situations—from Bucky Irving’s fantasy upside to how Liam Coen might navigate a crowded RB room in Jacksonville. Chase also helps settle the Kyren Williams debate and gives his take on rising stars like Ashton Jeanty, Omarion Hampton, and other young backs poised to make a splash.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Everybody. It's Thursday, May twenty second, twenty twenty five. Welcome
to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast Where running Backs Matter.
It's Me and your Man, MG Marcus Grant, joined by
Michael F. Florio and Lakwan Jones, and today got a
special guess. It is a former Cardinal, former Buck, former Bronco,
former Dolphin. It is Chase Edmonds. Chase, I appreciate just
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stopping by, man, Thanks for joining us. How are you today, fellas?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Appreciate you all having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Uh yeah, man, We're glad to have you here. One
just kind of, you know, just talk some football, maybe
a little bit of fantasy with you. I guess the
first question is, I mean for you, are you I know,
you know you were playing it. It's a little bit
harder when you're actually, you know, playing on a week
tweek basis. But ye, are you a fantasy guy? Do
you have any interest in it? What's your your connection
to it?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
So I personally used to be a fantasy guy and
kind of fell off the cliff a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Not as much.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I have friends from back home that are absolute diehard
fantasy players. They're the guys that you'll see, like, you know,
the last Place Loser. One of my friends had to
do a photo shoot on a on a Harley Davison
and like like his drawns like look good. So I mean, bro,
they go after it bron hard. So just kind of
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hearing their conversations about it. I have a good idea
of the fantasy strategies and kind of how people you know,
go about the thing. But me personally, I'm not a
fantasy guy. I'll definitely get into it once I'm officially
done playing ball though, for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Dude, do your friends who player they ever like, hey Chase,
we need we need a touchdown or something this weekue.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Like they always trying to get you in trouble. But
I kind of just tell those guys, look, man, hey,
the league ain't playing with that one.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I can't. I ain't got nothing for you. I just watching.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Watching, got your phone tapped everything.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Oh my god, that is crazy.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
But Chase, I know it's the off season right now,
and you still want to get out there and get
on the field. Because when you were on Good Morning Football,
you were talking more so of like hey man, if
there's some teams out there, what's up, Like you ready
to go. So you're still in shape ready to go
out there right.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Absolutely, bro.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
You know, obviously it was unfortunate that I tore my
moniscus and training camp last year.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That's just the way it goes, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Tampa Bay Buccaneers obviously a great organization, and they put
me on a season ending got off, so they still
took care of me financially, let me be around the
guys and have that impact in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So I'm forever for them for that.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Healed up very well though, held up beat the Rehabye
by the month month ahead of progress. So I've been
cleared to go now since about January and obviously just
been training every single day. I had to work out
with the Coast that went pretty well a couple about
a week and a half ago. But again, man, just
really waiting for that right opportunity. I'm not in a
rusher kind of tripping or you know, got my head
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in the world spin. I'm blessed and grateful to be
doing opportunities like this you guys right now, So I
think that's always a blessing.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I always try to find a.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Light and the positivity and anything that's going on in life, right,
because we're all going through something. So for me, I've
been blessed and fortunate to get to I'll be going
in the year eight really, which is just crazy for
me coming from Fordham. So definitely want to get back
on the field. I don't want to go out on
the season ending injury, you know, but just to I'm
taking a day at a time, staying rooted in my
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faith and working hard.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Bro Well, First shout out to fordhom I'm a New Yorker.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Here, so shout out to you guys.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, I mean, I'm root for you guys.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
But your answer there, I wanted to ask because athletes,
you guys, are so good at staying in the now
and controlling what you're controlling stuff and his fans and
stuff from the outside, it's the exact opposite.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
So like, how do you stay in that right state
of mind knowing like the right opportunity is going to
come and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, man, I think football does a great job of
teaching you the highs and lows and the ebbs and
flows of life. Football is such a game about going
through adversity and then using that adversity as an opportunity
to just respond in a positive manner and keep pressing forward.
So like you could be on the first down, you
just got a first down, and then you get a
sack that puts you on the second and seventeen. That's
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the same thing as life.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You might have something where you maybe you get a
promotion or you get this opportunity that it looks like, man,
this is my calling, this.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Is something that's going to be really positive for me.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
And then next thing you know, you look back and
it's like, damn, I'm three steps beyond where I just
was and I thought I was making progress. And that's
the beautiful thing about the game that we play in football,
where everybody has a job and it's always an opportunity
to really overcome that adversity. So I take that same mannerism,
that same outlook on life and on football, and I
just apply it to the everyday basics. Man, So never
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too high, never too low, understanding that everything is in
God's perfect timing, and that every single opportunity or every
single situation happens for a reasoning. And it's just about
finding that reasoning in life. That's really what I really
ground myself with.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, why I talk to you about that, you know,
some actual on field stuff, and you mentioned being in
Tampa Bay for the last couple of years, And I
kind of want to get into that offense because over
the last couple of years, this offense has been as
potent as any around the league. I mean, obviously a
lot of talent there. I mean, you got Mike Evans
and Chris Godwins sort of the headliners at wide receiver.
What is it about this offense that makes it so
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tough to stop?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I think it's.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
A component of about three major things. So I think
Baker Mayfield doesn't get enough love. For one, He's you know,
he's dealt with offensive coordinator changes now like four years
in a row, where race again, And I think, honestly,
that's actually a strength of his now because now he
can just pick up on an offense just like that.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
He's seen so many of them.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And then you talk about just the culture of the
team and the culture of that building. So when you
have guys like Mike Evans and Chris Godwin who really
laid the foundation down, and I mean those two guys
one of the best teammates that I've had from a.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
From a start. On standpoint right.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
You know you every team as stars and they carry
themselves a different way.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
There's different stars around the league, and those.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Guys just treat everybody saying, I mean, honest to good,
just down the earth, good brothers. And they set the
foundation of like what practice is supposed to look like,
what the work is supposed to look like, what the
absolute foundation and expectation every single day coming to work
is supposed to look like. And then to me and
also you talked about that offensive line, man, I mean
Tampa Bay. That offensive line very underrated, top three, top
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five unit in my opinion. You got Tristan Works who's
been an All Pro since his rookie year, and we
got Graham Barton over there center from Duke. He's going
to be a bona fide pro bowler, like one of
those guys that just I'm telling you he's gonna be
a pro bowler for like the next five years. He's
one of those guys, bro that just came in as
a rookie. He immediately carried himself like a vet and
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just took the job. Was never too big from Life's
never too big from at all. Jason Litt does a
great job with drafting as well, and I think that's
very important. You know, you look at I remember I
got signed to Tampa twenty twenty three and they were
in cap Hill, like they just won the Super Bowl,
but they were like trying to recover from cat put
it still paying guys that were retired that weren't on
the team no more.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And all Jason lind did.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Was just draft stars after star after star after star
and starters and like they're still on top, you know,
four division champions in the road going going.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
For the fifth. I think that they have a bright
future for sure.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
So you talked about that whole line man, and it
kind of makes sense of how graceful that Bucky Irvin
finished as the rookie RB one. So what are your
expectations for him in year two?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, I think I think Bucky's gonna expect the same
type of fireworks, right, And when it comes to Bucky,
you talk about explosive plays, the thing that sticks out
to me is just his vision, his ability to get
north and.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
South very very quickly.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
And obviously it's about making the first man most of
the time, making the second man and sometimes the third
man missed. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
It does a great job of just.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Making something out of nothing and always really coming with
that exposive play mannerism. I did some stats just to
look up because we're in it, you're not really paying
attention to the stats, and some of the things that
I saw, let me pull them up really fat. Some
of the things that I saw about Bucky Irving was
that from weeks one through five, Bucky had a total
just fifty two touches, so very very low volume in
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that aspect, and he only had five games of fifteen
or more rushing attempts throughout the whole season. So you
talk about you know, he cemented himself as the RB
one there. I got to think that at least he's
going to you know, get fifteen rushing attempts at least
nine times, you know, guarding that he stays healthy. Right,
I got to be at least nine times throughout the season.
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I know that they're not going to want to just
turn him into a bellcout because of his natural body status,
or you want to really keep him healthy.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I think a lot of teams.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Are going to start going towards the Detroit Lions formula
where you drafted back and I know Bucky.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Wasn't first of all picked like Jamior Gibbs.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
But you have a guy that's explosive, you want to
keep him explosive for a seventeen week period. So it's about,
you know, having those spurts of like, Okay, maybe this
is a game where he needs twenty five touches, but
that's never the goal every single week. That's how you
just run these guys ground and they have a really
short shelf life. So I definitely see Bucky having the
same type of production, probably a little more just because
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we have a little more volume. But I still definitely
expect them to have that two back and sometimes even
three back system.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
This with Tucker also behind White.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Fantally managers want him to carry it twenty five times.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Of course, I don't think that's a look at the situation,
but I think that the Bucks do it right.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Man.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You know, and there's fantasy and then there's real ball,
and I believe that the real situation of it should
be your goal is to have two really good guys
that can stay healthy through a seventeen week season, carry
you into the playoffs and make it happen.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I mean, again, you just saw what I gave you, guys.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
The stats Bucky didn't touch the ball heavy in the
first half of the season and still finished RB one
out of rookies.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, he was a top ten running back finish. Yeah,
as what I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
He's still gonna be productive. Like I tell people all
the time that Bucksto line.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
They got over there, listen it, no matter who touching
that ball's gone.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Well.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
And you know, for fantasy, I mean, yeah, we always
want we want to pick one guy and have him
get all the touches. But I think the people who
are most successful in fantasy also sort of realize how
things actually are and sort of plan around that, adjust
to that. In that regard. You know, Liam Cohen now gone,
he is in Jacksonville as the head coach there. You
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mentioned Baker Mayfield, a guy who throughout his career I
think we were saying on this show like it feels
like he may have had a different oc every single
year of his career. At least it feels that way. Yeah,
I mean, just as a player, how difficult is it
when a new offensive coordinator comes in, you have schemes, terminology,
all that kind of stuff. How difficult is it to
make that transition?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I definitely think that's a question for position by position,
which is why it's so just astonishing how Baker is
able to grasp a new playbook, a new schematic system
and take it over because for quarterback, Baker has to
know every single position. Not only does he have to
know every single position where everyone's going to be, but
he's dissecting the defense in real time as well, trying
to formulate in his mind what.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Is the defense trying to do with this look, while
also still.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Having to remember again, Okay, I got my receiver doing
a crossing route with it, did coming behind it.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It's just a lot of information.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So for a running back someone like myself, you got
outside zone scheme, inside your zone scheme, you know, you
got a gap scheme for running the football, you got
a couple of play action passes.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
And then you just remember your routes. So it's a
lot different for each position.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
But when you talk about the quarterback position in general,
is with Baker Mayfield, it's really difficult.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Like, you know, I think that's the problem that we
have when it comes to like molding new rookie quarterbacks
coming in. Yeah, every quarterback that has some sort of
potential will be a first round pick right. But you
go look at the last four draft classes. Now, how
many of those guys are starters? How many are almost
out the league, are already certified backup, still fighting.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
For the career. And that's because they.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Come into a situation where they usually go to a
bad team, coach gets fired, and they got to learn
a new system. And when you got to learn a
new system in your young roat, it don't work out.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
While we're talking about the Bucks, and you were saying
just a minute ago about teams wanting to use multiple
running backs. The Bucks have a good tandem there with
Bucky obviously as the one, but Rashad White a really
good receiving back out of the backfield. How do you
think him and Bucky ever can continue to compliment one another.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, man, I love Rashada. That's like my little bro.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I believe he's I think he had the most receiving
touchdowns last year and again at a limited role. I
think he had six receiving touchdowns last year, first out
of running backs, So.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Shout out to him.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I think again, a situation that I kind of see
similar in terms of workload is you're when Tennessee had
CJ two k and Linda White.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
That's like a workload situation that I.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Think is really beneficial for those guys where it's a
solid split where yet maybe Bucky is getting the predominant
touches of the carries, but you also have a shot
where like I see, like if Bucky can have that
fourteen hundred total yard mark and Rashat can get to
about eight hundred total yards, that's gonna be like the
really good workload spit production s field where both those
guys can stay healthy and be very important factors when
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it comes to the success of the Bucks offense.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
So I want to transition to the Jags backfield man
because Liam Cohen is now on the sticks in Jacksonville.
So with your expectations and your experience with Liam Cohen,
Like the fantasy streets are on fire right now. We're
talking for Seawl Towton, We're calling calling ETN, We're calling
on Tank Bigsby. Like what should fantasy managers really should
expect from this backfield with Liam Cohen?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
With the backfield, I'm going to say that, and it
depends you know who their guys are, right, So it's
a new coaching staff, So I'm not sure, how much
loyalty whatever you want to call it, or favoritism that
they have towards traves etn or towards tank or towards
the draftick that they have, it's going to matter about,
you know, who is that lead off back. I think
that whoever gets that first carry when it comes to
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opening the game, that's probably going to see the guy
that is going to touch the ball a little more.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
The experience that I had with Liam is that.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You know, he's going to predominantly have a guy that
touches the ball when it comes to the carry, and
then he is going to have his his third down
back receivers or whoever that is. So I think it's
really of those three guys, one gets lost in the sauce.
I don't know who that is. I don't have an
o pain with who that is. I don't like to
prematurely speak because you know, the work will show for herself.
But of that backfield, one of those guys will get
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lost in the sauce a little bit. It's just about,
as you know, the fantasy drivet guys they got to pick.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Right, Yeah, that's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I mean, look, man, fantasy is simple. You just you
just pick good players, right, Like, that's the way the
whole game.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That's not.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
That's it, you know, it's an easy game. Speaking of
good players, you played in Arizona with James Connor there,
and this is a guy who I feel like, James
Connor is one of those guys that sort of goes
under the radar.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
He's maybe not the flashiest guy back there, but he's
so steady, he's so consistent. What is it about him
that has him be so good? Even you know, everybody
talks about the dreaded age cliff of getting close to
thirty years old? What is it about James Connor that
has him so productive?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Man?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
JC, I got nothing but great things that they say
about jac You talk about just the hell of a man,
the hell of a human being. Probably he might be
the best teammate I've ever had.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Truly.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
We used to call each other thorough because we were
pa boys, and he just that was a word that
he always used. And I think this question. Man as
talented as James is, I don't even think it has
to do with the talent of why he continues to
be productive. But if you've met James kind of you
have just the blessing your privilege to meet him. You
talk about mentality, attitude, mindset, the man that he is,
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how he speaks, we called him, We called him wolf
when I was there, and that was just because he
has such an alpha personality, bro. Like, just the way
he carried himself, the way he worked when he spoke
people listen and you could just see like he just inspired.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Belief into people.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
You know, one because of the situation, the story that
you know, with his experience of what he went through
through cancer, but also man, just nothing in life could
not be defeated by James Connor. In his mind, it
was like, Yo, bro, we're gonna get this done. We're
gonna get this done.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Brom me and you.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
It don't matter about nobody else, Me and you, Like,
I love that dude so much. So I think it's
really just his mindset, his mentality.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
That man. He goes out there, he plays his heart out. Bro.
You talk about a dude that.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You can just tell his plan for everything that he's got,
for his team and for his brothers and for his
last name on his back. That's really why I think
he's been able to just continue to just overcome the odds.
With the age difference and everything like that, and he's
still been able to just be so productive, Like he's
probably gonna be a Ring of Honor guy when it's
all sets them for Arizona. I think he's got like
fifty touchdowns and effort like, he's got a lot of
touchdowns and he'll probably be in the Ring of Honor
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for him.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Much deserved for him as well. Huge James Connor fans
on this show. Karen Williams, though, is a polarizing player
in fantasy and on this show. So I would love
to hear what your thoughts are on Kyen Williams.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Mike before I answer, I would love to hear your
thoughts on Karen will And I know, yeah, I'm team Kyroen.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I think that Kyro cuts up numbers yearly and that people, uh.
I won't speak for other people, but I think he
is underappreciated for what he does year in and year out.
But there's a RAMS fan on this show. You might not.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
That's the thing, Chase. We have a RAMS fan on
this show who three of us seems to have the
most doubts about Kyfore do you.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Jump the Chase?
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Can we as a running back can we emphasize on
the important of ball security because I think that may
limit a running backs opportunity of holding the rock if
the ball keeps hitting the ground in crucial moments.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
They do say ball security, job security in the running
back room, that is, that's the number one saying.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Is this a fantasy question or is this a football question?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Because let's make it a football question because then we
can sort of figure out out the fantasy aspect of
any after that.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Okay, I love Karen Williams, extremely talented, he's been bawling.
As long as he controls the fumbling hiccups, he will
again be a predominant RB one.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I think though, when you look at what the Rams
did last.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Year one from the outside, I don't think they had
a lot of faith in Blake Corn For whatever reason.
They really give him opportunity much And when I saw
him actually run, he didn't look bad, Like he looked
like he could have.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You know, he had some juice and he can go.
But they I think Karen Williams had like seventy eight.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Kerry share on that team, like it was like number
one in the NFL, like ridiculous. I don't think that's
good for his long term career. I believe that he's
gotta he's got to hold him the fundeling thing because
in some ways it almost cost him that that Philly game.
I never liked to blame I never like to blame
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a game on one player, bro, So I'm not saying
that at all.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
But you know, turnovers are the fastest way to lose a.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Football game and win the football game the NFL, no
matter if you got seventeen rushing touchdowns or you're being
productive with fourteen hundred yards, it's just, you know, the
ball is everybody's lively.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
That's literally what we say in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
So I'm going to say that it's the RB one
row and just him being another top ten running back
finish is his to lose.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
But it like that, so a security, What can you
do as a running back to sort of work on that?
I mean, I've seen guys, yeah in their career sort
of improve. What sort of things can you do to
help work.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I don't think it's as much as a technique thing
as it is you've got to have paranoid awareness. I
heard running back coach Coach Sackson when I was in
the Ezy they used to use that expression of paranoid
awareness about where defenders are around you and like so
like with someone like Kyle and say, Kyra runs so
hard all the time, and he's never really focused on
like sometimes holding the football with with two hands when
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he's in that danger on in the box around a
lot of guys where there's going to be a lot
of arm movement defenders that you don't really see. He's
more worried about, you know, making the guy miss and
providing explosive plays like he does.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
So I think that it.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Just comes down to that paranoid awareness about okay, am
I in a situation where I can you know, put
the explosive play over the ball security. I think it's
always about mitigating risks. So it's like you're in a
situation where Okay, if I make this guy miss, I'm
in open field. I know I can make a twenty
yard run to a fifty yard toestdown. Well that's the
case where you know what, let's try to make this
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due miss and that's not cover the ball level two hiss,
but it's a first down run. You know, you might
break a little inside zone and you're around two or
three linebackers. I don't think that's the best case scenario
where you're trying to run through all those guys. I
think you need to you know, take the ball security
into into effect and go and survive for another play.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
So I think it's you know, it's more of a mentality.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
When I was growing up, there was a story the
Giants apparently made Tiki Barber carry a football around an
entire offseason everywhere he went. Would that actually work because
like no one's trying to strip the ball from him
in everyday life.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, but I don't, Like I think that's one of
them old school things that's like, yeah, bro, you're gonna
carry this well, run.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Everyhere you go.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
You gotta practice it, man, Like you gotta practice live
reps of having guys swiping going after the.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Ball to you. In practice, you gotta have guys that
are kind of like the way there. You know, it's practice.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
You can break off a little runner, you know what
I mean, like catch you off guard, Like you have
to have that muscle memory work to really allow that
to you know, stay in function and actually bring that
to you from like a neurological standpoint. And now you
have those reps where Okay, I'm used to somebody swiping
after the ball, really going after it.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And I'm not really, you know, as much losing my
tug on it. So again, I.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Think it's all about just the body of the work
and the really treating the practices like the games.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Gonna take a quick break. Come back more with Chase
Edmunds on the other side. Stick around for more of
the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
So I want to ask you about a running back
that you were very high on during the draft process
from Kansas.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
State, DJ Giddings.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Can you tell us more about what made you so
excited about his game and how do you see him
fitting behind JT and NNDY.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Man, when I was watching DJ Giddens film, I was
getting ready for the Good Morning Football segment and he
I'm not going to say that he's going to have
the same trajectory where he's going to be like this player,
but I'm telling you, bro, he really reminded me of
Lev Bell. I thought DJ getting said like top two
top three vision coming out with the classes in terms
of just his ability to just naturally find a whole
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and understand how linebackers may flow.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
And then he can really see a back gap cut.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
The other thing that I thought he did the best,
probably in the class was just naturally making somebody miss.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I don't want to say like he's the most elusive.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I'm not saying he's more elusive than Trevion Henderson or
something like that, But in terms of just naturally making
defenders miss, I mean there was you can pull a
multiple clips with DJ Getts naturally stopping his feet in
the hole, putting a defender on freeze, getting back outside,
getting back north south. And I think that when you
come to the NFL, that's the number one difference when
with rocky running backs who have success and who don't
have success. Can you make these guys miss in these
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type spaces because the holes collapse a lot faster, guys
fill the holes a lot quicker. And it's really about, Okay,
can you make somebody miss super quick and get back
north and south? And that's something that DJ Giddens.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Does really well. As far as his role with Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I think it's a perfect situation for him, to be honest,
you know, I think that he gets to take his
time and groom and really understand the speed of the game.
Understand kind of the schematics of the run system. He
doesn't have to come in and take fifteen carries. I
think he's going to be a great change of pace
back to JT, especially if he can really, you know,
take advantage of his role with the receiving role. You know,
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right now JT is not really used as that guy
that gets the grabs and gets the receptions. So I'm
sure Shane the head coach, will you know, draw some
plays up for DJ. So I think that I wouldn't
be surprised if you saw some some pony packages, meaning
both of those guys on the field at the same time,
and they really try to utilize DJ from like a
receiving standpoint, just to get his feed wet and really
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use his ability to make guys miss an open field.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I'm Ashton Genty was sort of the headliner of this
draft class. He's the guy that everybody sort of started
the conversation with. I know, there's no such thing as
they can't miss prospect, right, you know, we see guys
who just for whatever reason just don't quite succeed. But
your thoughts on him and his chances to be successful
in year one with Pete Carroll and the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, I love Jet Ashton as a prospect. I think
going to oak I keep saying, OK, to Las Vegas,
used to.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
That, going to Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
The thing about being a six pick running back, right,
the expectation is going to be that he has to
run for like twelve hundred yards. And I used the
twelve hundred yards as a benchmark actually because I looked
up a weird stat every running back under Pete Carroll
he was in Seattle that had over two hundred carries
had at least twelve hundred total yards.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I'm not gonna say twelve hund rushing yards, but twelve
hundred total yards.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
So you had four years in Rold Marshawn, you had
twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen with Chris Carson. So to me,
that's that's that's the benchmark. He's gonna have over two
hundred carries. I know that for a fact, as long
as he stays healthy. So how much they use him
in the receiving game, Boise State didn't really you know,
they didn't ask him to catch the ball.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I'm not saying that he can't catch the ball.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
So that's something that I think is going to be
important and you know, really dictate.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
His final Fantasy ranking. What is he at right now?
For ADB, He's back with the running backs before brother.
That's that's crazy on him.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
That's just crazy to me because like I think, I
remember when I was really good at fantasy as a
as a player, when I was aasy and it was
because I was on an explosive offense bros Like one.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I was the receiving back.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
As well, But being on an explode offense just gives
you so many more opportunities for success. Like Ashton Genty
is going to be the number one option coming in
day one with the Raiders, even though they had the
greatest tight end season of all time.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Like you're tight, is just not going to be your
number on option.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
So every single defense, every single week is going to
try to stop number two asht Gents. So I do
think there's going to be some pullback a little bit
from what the expectation is to what the reality is
of the situation. I still think though he cranks that
twelve hundred yards total mark, and it just depends on
how many times he sees the end zone that really
you know, showcases where he finishes out as a fantasy
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running back.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
And then there's Omarion Hampton, who was consensus the RB
two in this class, but they signed Naji Harris just
before the draft, So what do you expect that backfield
to look like? And a lot of the times in
fantasy where like, well the rookies going to take over.
Is that the mindset of these players in the locker
room or how does that kind of work itself out?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Well, that's never the mindset of the players in the
locker because, like again for us, it's all about the work.
So you won't know until training camp. Those guys that
get a better understanding of like have those two backs
Naji and a Mario him to compliment each other and
kind of who is the cream of the croft.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I see that as being He's definitely.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Going to touch the rock obviously, right. Is he going
to be a day one starter. I'm gonna say no,
because they did pay Naji five and a half. I
think for day one standpoint, it's like a one A,
one B thing. I do think Naji is the one
A back just because of the experience, and you don't
want to put so much pressure on the mind to
come in immediately and just be the future back. So
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I do like Naji still as the day one back,
and I also like Naji as the four minute running
back and possibly even the short yards goal on situation running.
But now I know Harbor, excuse me, he likes to
sprinkle in different backs at the short yard situation and
those guys are both power back systems, so it's not
really gonna matter. But Naji has a history of really
never funnling the football. He has two seasons of donuts
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with no fumbles, so to me, that screams four minute
running back. And for those that don't know, four minute
running back is when you're trying to close the game
out and that's where a lot of those those garbage
jars and chunk yards can come at the end of the
football games if possible touchdowns, right, So I do see
Naji being one day for at least the first quarter
of the season, so I mean, like the first four
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games of the season, and then we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I'm a big stat guy, right, so if I'm killing
y'all with the stats, let me know.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
But no good. My last running backs to get drafted
from twenty to twenty five were Nausey and Jacobs.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Both of those guys had two hundred and forty carriers
to repeear.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Now, they didn't have a Naji behind them, either one
of them. But I'm going to say that Omarion has
one hundred and eighty carries.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
That's pretty such. I'll say one hundred eighty carries and
it's pretty You do with that? How you think his
production is going to be one hundred eighty carries because
I mean they drafted him. They drafted so he's gonna play.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But I think that he's gonna play more later as
opposed to more earlier.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Quick quick follow up there? How different is it for
a team like the Patriots who new coaching staff Ramandre
Stevenson was from the old coaching staff Henderson is there?
Like does that matter because we talk about that a
lot in fantasy? Is that very different from like the
Chargers who brought both running backs in.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I think it matters a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I'm not gonna say it matters a whole lot because
Remandre is a talented running back in this situation, but
like I'll give another example, like it matters a lot
in the Jaguar situation, Like where you know you got
Traff coming, you got a whole new coaching staff, and
Traff I'm not gonna see that it down yere, But
he was a little unhealthy, little banged up, So now
you know, people don't look at him as the same
for like the Patriots situation. Here's why I say it
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doesn't matter as much. Those two guys really compliment one another.
So Remandre is going to be the first and second
down back, and I'll see the first and second and
short back. So that's how I see that split going
like a sixty to forty split with those guys. Rabriel
loves to obviously pound the rock impose physicality for his team,
so mag is definitely gonna have more carries out of
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the two. But then what they're gonna do is they're
probably just gonna put both of those guys in the
situation that makes them succeed the most. So if it's
second and five and longer, expect Travon Henderson to be
on the football field. But if it's second to five
and shorter, because you still got that run there, will
Expectrimandre Stevenson to be on a football field. And then
third down situation, it will be Treyon's down, that will
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definitely be his down. I think also for them for
fantasy impact, a big thing that's gonna matter is the
receptions to the red zone opportunities for the two. So
how many receptions is Trevon Henderson gonna be looking at
the game and then in the red zone is New
England going to take the approach of keeping the ball
in Drake Mason? Because if that's the case, Treyvion's probably
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gonna be on the field more in the red zone.
But if Mike Vrabel wants they get inside the tenor
inside the fifteen, he kind of has that still that
Tennessee tighte mentality of now we're going to pound this
rocket and score from the ground. Then that's gonna be
Rimandre's role. So I think both of those guys has
a crazy successful fantasy year just because they compliment each
other so well.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
And I'm not talk a lot, but just to get
back to your point about Mario and we love this
yeah and Naji.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
That situation to me, they both are going to be
have their opportunities because it's like you said, the new
staff they brought in Naji, they just paid them off
free agency and they also wanted to bring in a
running back for the future, so I think they look
at that situation like, look, man, we got two guys
that now they are kind.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Of the same type of back.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I'll say you Marion probably will get more receiving just
because he's a little bit more explosive the Nagy in
terms of really taking those things to distance.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
But they are kind of like the same type of back.
So that's one of those things where I look at.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
As when it comes to target share, run share, everyone
to categorize it. I can see it being a down
the next split just between the two because of you
Harbor also bringing in Nagy.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
So I wanted to ask you about one of my
favorite running backs coming out of his class, r J.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Harvey. Here's yeah, let's go Chase.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Let's go Chase.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Now I'm wondering, how do you see him fitting in
this Sean Payton in Denver Broncos offense in year one?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, I love r J. Harvey.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Man. I called him real juice on it on the
Good Morning Football segment today. I tried to tell the
Bronco fans that's who I see they should go after.
And I just look at what Sean Payne has done
when he's had a really good, explosive, elusive back and
they all just had success. You look at Alvin Kamar's
rookie year. I think this is the benchmark for RJ.
Harvey because I actually think he'll touch the football more
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than what AK did his REMII and AK finished with
fifteen fifty scrimmage yards and like thirteen touchdowns. So to me,
that's that's the benchmark for r J.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Harvey.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Fifteen hundred total yards and minimum ten touchdowns. I think
I think he'll touch the football a lot. He's explosive,
and man, you know what he has that denver O
Lion is our dogs, their dogs up front.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
You man, so come out and chase.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
You know, he's got a really good opportunity to do
some really special things out there.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
In my.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Uh what I let you know though, I mean we
talked about a whole lot of guys. Anybody that that
maybe you didn't mention that you got your eye on,
or just anybody you enjoy watching play at the running
back spot?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Who do I enjoy watching play at the running back
spot right now? The obvious choice is obviously Saquon jumping
over people.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
That is just that's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Aaron Jobs, man, you know who I'm going to go
as a sleeper though, and I wanted to make sure
I touched on this. It's two guys, And I don't
know if you want to call him a sleeper because
I think he's like RB nineteen right now. But you
when you check football Twitter, and then when I was
looking at like some of the draft mocks the disrespect
that DeAndre Swift was getting, let me tell you guys,
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DeAndre Swift is going to be a top ten running
back this season. Talk about it, man, Yo, d PA
boy for Philly. But d Swift is so cold. I
love his game. I love how explosive he is. I
love how elucive he is just watching from the TV.
I'm not going to ever kill coaching because again, you know,
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we all working hard in the NFL. But the scheme
that they were running from like a run game standpoint,
they still no shot.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
If you knew what you were looking at, you were
watching Chicago's run game from a schematic standpoint, they didn't
stand a shot, you know. And so I think he
averaged like three point nine yards last year. People were
kind of trying to kill him on. Look, what did
they meet it up? That offensive line over there. Ben
Johnson is going to come in and call some explosive plays,
and DeAndre Swift is going to benefit like hell out
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of having Ben Johnson there, and he's going to remind
people that he's the real deal. Another guy that I
like that I think is going to have a lot
more opportunity is Jordan Mason coming to miss.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
That's joy, Let's go.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
That's your guy. You're talking to my guys right now,
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I think I just think Aaron Jones is still gonna
be very productive.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
I think Aaron Jones one of the more underrated running
backs of our era. Truly, like he's been always productive
in every single season, but because of his age a
little bit, I think they will try to keep him
healthy for a seventeen game season. Jordan Mason's coming into
the same system that he just left in San Francisco,
so the familiarity there.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Again.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
You look at any team that's coached by Koc calling
the players bro. I love Koc. I think he's a
top three offensive line in this NFL. In this league,
you got Justin Jefferson and Addison on the outside, so
the not gonna see heavy boxes.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I'm as long as J. J.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
McCarthy comes in there and does what they do, Minnesota
is gonna be better than like.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I don't want to say better because they want like fourteen.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Games, but they'll be right at the next top of
the of the NFC North, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
And then my last sleeper, last sleeper.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Strictly off of situation for fantasy purposes, Cam Scataboo.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, we're a scatabol friendly podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Man.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Cam.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
He's better out of the backfield than people want to
give him credit for. Maybe just because they just see
the white skin and that he's two thirty, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
But he actually can catch the football, he can run routes.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
But I think day one, no matter what, he's the
short yardest goal one running back for the Giants because
they still got Secretary and Tracy.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
That's going to be his role no matter what.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
So the people that love that vulture term, he might
vulture some touchdowns away, Like Cam can give you ten
points and have six touches in the game, like truly
just because it gets you a touchdown and maybe two grabs.
So Cam Scattable, I think is someone that he's he'll
be a sleeper for fantasy.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Oh man, Yeah, teen Cam weird team Cam here on
this show, so we absolutely love all of that. Going
down the list of Fordham greats, you got Vince Lombardi,
Denzel Washington. For Dodger fans, it's Vin Scully and then
Chase Edmonds. Chase, We're so glad to have you on
the show. It was a lot of fun having the conversation.
And I know you're starting to get back in the game,
so good luck to you, you know, on your work out,
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your rehabs, and hopefully we see you back on the
field sometime soon.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Man, but we p you got so much.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Thanks for the opportunity to have me absolutely Before we
get out of here, quick note for you, no show
for you beginning of next week. We'll be back with
a cheat sheet next Thursday, so stay tuned for that.
In the meantime. That'll do it for this edition of
the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Stay happy, safe and healthy,
do good, live well, enjoy the holiday week and everybody,
and we will talk to you again next week.
Everybody. It's Thursday, May twenty second, twenty twenty five. Welcome
to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast Where running Backs Matter.
It's Me and your Man, MG Marcus Grant, joined by
Michael F. Florio and Lakwan Jones, and today got a
special guess. It is a former Cardinal, former Buck, former Bronco,
former Dolphin. It is Chase Edmonds. Chase, I appreciate just
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stopping by, man, Thanks for joining us. How are you today, fellas?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
How you doing?
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Appreciate you all having me on.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Uh yeah, man, We're glad to have you here. One
just kind of, you know, just talk some football, maybe
a little bit of fantasy with you. I guess the
first question is, I mean for you, are you I know,
you know you were playing it. It's a little bit
harder when you're actually, you know, playing on a week
tweek basis. But ye, are you a fantasy guy? Do
you have any interest in it? What's your your connection
to it?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
So I personally used to be a fantasy guy and
kind of fell off the cliff a little bit.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Not as much.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I have friends from back home that are absolute diehard
fantasy players. They're the guys that you'll see, like, you know,
the last Place Loser. One of my friends had to
do a photo shoot on a on a Harley Davison
and like like his drawns like look good. So I mean, bro,
they go after it bron hard. So just kind of
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hearing their conversations about it. I have a good idea
of the fantasy strategies and kind of how people you know,
go about the thing. But me personally, I'm not a
fantasy guy. I'll definitely get into it once I'm officially
done playing ball though, for sure.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Dude, do your friends who player they ever like, hey Chase,
we need we need a touchdown or something this weekue.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Like they always trying to get you in trouble. But
I kind of just tell those guys, look, man, hey,
the league ain't playing with that one.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I can't. I ain't got nothing for you. I just watching.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Watching, got your phone tapped everything.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Oh my god, that is crazy.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
But Chase, I know it's the off season right now,
and you still want to get out there and get
on the field. Because when you were on Good Morning Football,
you were talking more so of like hey man, if
there's some teams out there, what's up, Like you ready
to go. So you're still in shape ready to go
out there right.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Absolutely, bro.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
You know, obviously it was unfortunate that I tore my
moniscus and training camp last year.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
That's just the way it goes, you know.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Tampa Bay Buccaneers obviously a great organization, and they put
me on a season ending got off, so they still
took care of me financially, let me be around the
guys and have that impact in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So I'm forever for them for that.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Healed up very well though, held up beat the Rehabye
by the month month ahead of progress. So I've been
cleared to go now since about January and obviously just
been training every single day. I had to work out
with the Coast that went pretty well a couple about
a week and a half ago. But again, man, just
really waiting for that right opportunity. I'm not in a
rusher kind of tripping or you know, got my head
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in the world spin. I'm blessed and grateful to be
doing opportunities like this you guys right now, So I
think that's always a blessing.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I always try to find a.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Light and the positivity and anything that's going on in life, right,
because we're all going through something. So for me, I've
been blessed and fortunate to get to I'll be going
in the year eight really, which is just crazy for
me coming from Fordham. So definitely want to get back
on the field. I don't want to go out on
the season ending injury, you know, but just to I'm
taking a day at a time, staying rooted in my
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faith and working hard.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Bro Well, First shout out to fordhom I'm a New Yorker.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Here, so shout out to you guys.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Yeah, I mean, I'm root for you guys.
Speaker 6 (03:35):
But your answer there, I wanted to ask because athletes,
you guys, are so good at staying in the now
and controlling what you're controlling stuff and his fans and
stuff from the outside, it's the exact opposite.
Speaker 4 (03:46):
So like, how do you stay in that right state
of mind knowing like the right opportunity is going to
come and stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, man, I think football does a great job of
teaching you the highs and lows and the ebbs and
flows of life. Football is such a game about going
through adversity and then using that adversity as an opportunity
to just respond in a positive manner and keep pressing forward.
So like you could be on the first down, you
just got a first down, and then you get a
sack that puts you on the second and seventeen. That's
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the same thing as life.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
You might have something where you maybe you get a
promotion or you get this opportunity that it looks like, man,
this is my calling, this.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Is something that's going to be really positive for me.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
And then next thing you know, you look back and
it's like, damn, I'm three steps beyond where I just
was and I thought I was making progress. And that's
the beautiful thing about the game that we play in football,
where everybody has a job and it's always an opportunity
to really overcome that adversity. So I take that same mannerism,
that same outlook on life and on football, and I
just apply it to the everyday basics. Man, So never
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too high, never too low, understanding that everything is in
God's perfect timing, and that every single opportunity or every
single situation happens for a reasoning. And it's just about
finding that reasoning in life. That's really what I really
ground myself with.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Well, why I talk to you about that, you know,
some actual on field stuff, and you mentioned being in
Tampa Bay for the last couple of years, And I
kind of want to get into that offense because over
the last couple of years, this offense has been as
potent as any around the league. I mean, obviously a
lot of talent there. I mean, you got Mike Evans
and Chris Godwins sort of the headliners at wide receiver.
What is it about this offense that makes it so
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tough to stop?
Speaker 2 (05:22):
I think it's.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
A component of about three major things. So I think
Baker Mayfield doesn't get enough love. For one, He's you know,
he's dealt with offensive coordinator changes now like four years
in a row, where race again, And I think, honestly,
that's actually a strength of his now because now he
can just pick up on an offense just like that.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
He's seen so many of them.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And then you talk about just the culture of the
team and the culture of that building. So when you
have guys like Mike Evans and Chris Godwin who really
laid the foundation down, and I mean those two guys
one of the best teammates that I've had from a.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
From a start. On standpoint right.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
You know you every team as stars and they carry
themselves a different way.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
There's different stars around the league, and those.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
Guys just treat everybody saying, I mean, honest to good,
just down the earth, good brothers. And they set the
foundation of like what practice is supposed to look like,
what the work is supposed to look like, what the
absolute foundation and expectation every single day coming to work
is supposed to look like. And then to me and
also you talked about that offensive line, man, I mean
Tampa Bay. That offensive line very underrated, top three, top
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five unit in my opinion. You got Tristan Works who's
been an All Pro since his rookie year, and we
got Graham Barton over there center from Duke. He's going
to be a bona fide pro bowler, like one of
those guys that just I'm telling you he's gonna be
a pro bowler for like the next five years. He's
one of those guys, bro that just came in as
a rookie. He immediately carried himself like a vet and
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just took the job. Was never too big from Life's
never too big from at all. Jason Litt does a
great job with drafting as well, and I think that's
very important. You know, you look at I remember I
got signed to Tampa twenty twenty three and they were
in cap Hill, like they just won the Super Bowl,
but they were like trying to recover from cat put
it still paying guys that were retired that weren't on
the team no more.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
And all Jason lind did.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Was just draft stars after star after star after star
and starters and like they're still on top, you know,
four division champions in the road going going.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
For the fifth. I think that they have a bright
future for sure.
Speaker 5 (07:15):
So you talked about that whole line man, and it
kind of makes sense of how graceful that Bucky Irvin
finished as the rookie RB one. So what are your
expectations for him in year two?
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Yeah, I think I think Bucky's gonna expect the same
type of fireworks, right, And when it comes to Bucky,
you talk about explosive plays, the thing that sticks out
to me is just his vision, his ability to get
north and.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
South very very quickly.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
And obviously it's about making the first man most of
the time, making the second man and sometimes the third
man missed. Right.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
It does a great job of just.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Making something out of nothing and always really coming with
that exposive play mannerism. I did some stats just to
look up because we're in it, you're not really paying
attention to the stats, and some of the things that
I saw, let me pull them up really fat. Some
of the things that I saw about Bucky Irving was
that from weeks one through five, Bucky had a total
just fifty two touches, so very very low volume in
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that aspect, and he only had five games of fifteen
or more rushing attempts throughout the whole season. So you
talk about you know, he cemented himself as the RB
one there. I got to think that at least he's
going to you know, get fifteen rushing attempts at least
nine times, you know, guarding that he stays healthy. Right,
I got to be at least nine times throughout the season.
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I know that they're not going to want to just
turn him into a bellcout because of his natural body status,
or you want to really keep him healthy.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
I think a lot of teams.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Are going to start going towards the Detroit Lions formula
where you drafted back and I know Bucky.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Wasn't first of all picked like Jamior Gibbs.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
But you have a guy that's explosive, you want to
keep him explosive for a seventeen week period. So it's about,
you know, having those spurts of like, Okay, maybe this
is a game where he needs twenty five touches, but
that's never the goal every single week. That's how you
just run these guys ground and they have a really
short shelf life. So I definitely see Bucky having the
same type of production, probably a little more just because
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we have a little more volume. But I still definitely
expect them to have that two back and sometimes even
three back system.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
This with Tucker also behind White.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Fantally managers want him to carry it twenty five times.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Of course, I don't think that's a look at the situation,
but I think that the Bucks do it right.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Man.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
You know, and there's fantasy and then there's real ball,
and I believe that the real situation of it should
be your goal is to have two really good guys
that can stay healthy through a seventeen week season, carry
you into the playoffs and make it happen.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
I mean, again, you just saw what I gave you, guys.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
The stats Bucky didn't touch the ball heavy in the
first half of the season and still finished RB one
out of rookies.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, he was a top ten running back finish. Yeah,
as what I mean.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
He's still gonna be productive. Like I tell people all
the time that Bucksto line.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
They got over there, listen it, no matter who touching
that ball's gone.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Well.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
And you know, for fantasy, I mean, yeah, we always
want we want to pick one guy and have him
get all the touches. But I think the people who
are most successful in fantasy also sort of realize how
things actually are and sort of plan around that, adjust
to that. In that regard. You know, Liam Cohen now gone,
he is in Jacksonville as the head coach there. You
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mentioned Baker Mayfield, a guy who throughout his career I
think we were saying on this show like it feels
like he may have had a different oc every single
year of his career. At least it feels that way. Yeah,
I mean, just as a player, how difficult is it
when a new offensive coordinator comes in, you have schemes, terminology,
all that kind of stuff. How difficult is it to
make that transition?
Speaker 3 (10:38):
I definitely think that's a question for position by position,
which is why it's so just astonishing how Baker is
able to grasp a new playbook, a new schematic system
and take it over because for quarterback, Baker has to
know every single position. Not only does he have to
know every single position where everyone's going to be, but
he's dissecting the defense in real time as well, trying
to formulate in his mind what.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Is the defense trying to do with this look, while
also still.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Having to remember again, Okay, I got my receiver doing
a crossing route with it, did coming behind it.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
It's just a lot of information.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
So for a running back someone like myself, you got
outside zone scheme, inside your zone scheme, you know, you
got a gap scheme for running the football, you got
a couple of play action passes.
Speaker 2 (11:17):
And then you just remember your routes. So it's a
lot different for each position.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
But when you talk about the quarterback position in general,
is with Baker Mayfield, it's really difficult.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
Like, you know, I think that's the problem that we
have when it comes to like molding new rookie quarterbacks
coming in. Yeah, every quarterback that has some sort of
potential will be a first round pick right. But you
go look at the last four draft classes. Now, how
many of those guys are starters? How many are almost
out the league, are already certified backup, still fighting.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
For the career. And that's because they.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
Come into a situation where they usually go to a
bad team, coach gets fired, and they got to learn
a new system. And when you got to learn a
new system in your young roat, it don't work out.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
While we're talking about the Bucks, and you were saying
just a minute ago about teams wanting to use multiple
running backs. The Bucks have a good tandem there with
Bucky obviously as the one, but Rashad White a really
good receiving back out of the backfield. How do you
think him and Bucky ever can continue to compliment one another.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Yeah, man, I love Rashada. That's like my little bro.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
I believe he's I think he had the most receiving
touchdowns last year and again at a limited role. I
think he had six receiving touchdowns last year, first out
of running backs, So.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Shout out to him.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
I think again, a situation that I kind of see
similar in terms of workload is you're when Tennessee had
CJ two k and Linda White.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
That's like a workload situation that I.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Think is really beneficial for those guys where it's a
solid split where yet maybe Bucky is getting the predominant
touches of the carries, but you also have a shot
where like I see, like if Bucky can have that
fourteen hundred total yard mark and Rashat can get to
about eight hundred total yards, that's gonna be like the
really good workload spit production s field where both those
guys can stay healthy and be very important factors when
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it comes to the success of the Bucks offense.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
So I want to transition to the Jags backfield man
because Liam Cohen is now on the sticks in Jacksonville.
So with your expectations and your experience with Liam Cohen,
Like the fantasy streets are on fire right now. We're
talking for Seawl Towton, We're calling calling ETN, We're calling
on Tank Bigsby. Like what should fantasy managers really should
expect from this backfield with Liam Cohen?
Speaker 3 (13:28):
With the backfield, I'm going to say that, and it
depends you know who their guys are, right, So it's
a new coaching staff, So I'm not sure, how much
loyalty whatever you want to call it, or favoritism that
they have towards traves etn or towards tank or towards
the draftick that they have, it's going to matter about,
you know, who is that lead off back. I think
that whoever gets that first carry when it comes to
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opening the game, that's probably going to see the guy
that is going to touch the ball a little more.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
The experience that I had with Liam is that.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
You know, he's going to predominantly have a guy that
touches the ball when it comes to the carry, and
then he is going to have his his third down
back receivers or whoever that is. So I think it's
really of those three guys, one gets lost in the sauce.
I don't know who that is. I don't have an
o pain with who that is. I don't like to
prematurely speak because you know, the work will show for herself.
But of that backfield, one of those guys will get
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lost in the sauce a little bit. It's just about,
as you know, the fantasy drivet guys they got to pick.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
Right, Yeah, that's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
I mean, look, man, fantasy is simple. You just you
just pick good players, right, Like, that's the way the
whole game.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
That's not.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
That's it, you know, it's an easy game. Speaking of
good players, you played in Arizona with James Connor there,
and this is a guy who I feel like, James
Connor is one of those guys that sort of goes
under the radar.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Right.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
He's maybe not the flashiest guy back there, but he's
so steady, he's so consistent. What is it about him
that has him be so good? Even you know, everybody
talks about the dreaded age cliff of getting close to
thirty years old? What is it about James Connor that
has him so productive?
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Man?
Speaker 3 (15:01):
JC, I got nothing but great things that they say
about jac You talk about just the hell of a man,
the hell of a human being. Probably he might be
the best teammate I've ever had.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Truly.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
We used to call each other thorough because we were
pa boys, and he just that was a word that
he always used. And I think this question. Man as
talented as James is, I don't even think it has
to do with the talent of why he continues to
be productive. But if you've met James kind of you
have just the blessing your privilege to meet him. You
talk about mentality, attitude, mindset, the man that he is,
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how he speaks, we called him, We called him wolf
when I was there, and that was just because he
has such an alpha personality, bro. Like, just the way
he carried himself, the way he worked when he spoke
people listen and you could just see like he just inspired.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Belief into people.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
You know, one because of the situation, the story that
you know, with his experience of what he went through
through cancer, but also man, just nothing in life could
not be defeated by James Connor. In his mind, it
was like, Yo, bro, we're gonna get this done. We're
gonna get this done.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Brom me and you.
Speaker 3 (16:01):
It don't matter about nobody else, Me and you, Like,
I love that dude so much. So I think it's
really just his mindset, his mentality.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
That man. He goes out there, he plays his heart out. Bro.
You talk about a dude that.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
You can just tell his plan for everything that he's got,
for his team and for his brothers and for his
last name on his back. That's really why I think
he's been able to just continue to just overcome the odds.
With the age difference and everything like that, and he's
still been able to just be so productive, Like he's
probably gonna be a Ring of Honor guy when it's
all sets them for Arizona. I think he's got like
fifty touchdowns and effort like, he's got a lot of
touchdowns and he'll probably be in the Ring of Honor
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for him.
Speaker 4 (16:36):
Much deserved for him as well. Huge James Connor fans
on this show. Karen Williams, though, is a polarizing player
in fantasy and on this show. So I would love
to hear what your thoughts are on Kyen Williams.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Mike before I answer, I would love to hear your
thoughts on Karen will And I know, yeah, I'm team Kyroen.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
I think that Kyro cuts up numbers yearly and that people, uh.
I won't speak for other people, but I think he
is underappreciated for what he does year in and year out.
But there's a RAMS fan on this show. You might not.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
That's the thing, Chase. We have a RAMS fan on
this show who three of us seems to have the
most doubts about Kyfore do you.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Jump the Chase?
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Can we as a running back can we emphasize on
the important of ball security because I think that may
limit a running backs opportunity of holding the rock if
the ball keeps hitting the ground in crucial moments.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
They do say ball security, job security in the running
back room, that is, that's the number one saying.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Is this a fantasy question or is this a football question?
Speaker 1 (17:55):
Because let's make it a football question because then we
can sort of figure out out the fantasy aspect of
any after that.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Okay, I love Karen Williams, extremely talented, he's been bawling.
As long as he controls the fumbling hiccups, he will
again be a predominant RB one.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
I think though, when you look at what the Rams
did last.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Year one from the outside, I don't think they had
a lot of faith in Blake Corn For whatever reason.
They really give him opportunity much And when I saw
him actually run, he didn't look bad, Like he looked
like he could have.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
You know, he had some juice and he can go.
But they I think Karen Williams had like seventy eight.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Kerry share on that team, like it was like number
one in the NFL, like ridiculous. I don't think that's
good for his long term career. I believe that he's
gotta he's got to hold him the fundeling thing because
in some ways it almost cost him that that Philly game.
I never liked to blame I never like to blame
(19:01):
a game on one player, bro, So I'm not saying
that at all.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
But you know, turnovers are the fastest way to lose a.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Football game and win the football game the NFL, no
matter if you got seventeen rushing touchdowns or you're being
productive with fourteen hundred yards, it's just, you know, the
ball is everybody's lively.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
That's literally what we say in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (19:18):
So I'm going to say that it's the RB one
row and just him being another top ten running back
finish is his to lose.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
But it like that, so a security, What can you
do as a running back to sort of work on that?
I mean, I've seen guys, yeah in their career sort
of improve. What sort of things can you do to
help work.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
I don't think it's as much as a technique thing
as it is you've got to have paranoid awareness. I
heard running back coach Coach Sackson when I was in
the Ezy they used to use that expression of paranoid
awareness about where defenders are around you and like so
like with someone like Kyle and say, Kyra runs so
hard all the time, and he's never really focused on
like sometimes holding the football with with two hands when
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he's in that danger on in the box around a
lot of guys where there's going to be a lot
of arm movement defenders that you don't really see. He's
more worried about, you know, making the guy miss and
providing explosive plays like he does.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
So I think that it.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
Just comes down to that paranoid awareness about okay, am
I in a situation where I can you know, put
the explosive play over the ball security. I think it's
always about mitigating risks. So it's like you're in a
situation where Okay, if I make this guy miss, I'm
in open field. I know I can make a twenty
yard run to a fifty yard toestdown. Well that's the
case where you know what, let's try to make this
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due miss and that's not cover the ball level two hiss,
but it's a first down run. You know, you might
break a little inside zone and you're around two or
three linebackers. I don't think that's the best case scenario
where you're trying to run through all those guys. I
think you need to you know, take the ball security
into into effect and go and survive for another play.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
So I think it's you know, it's more of a mentality.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
When I was growing up, there was a story the
Giants apparently made Tiki Barber carry a football around an
entire offseason everywhere he went. Would that actually work because
like no one's trying to strip the ball from him
in everyday life.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Yeah, but I don't, Like I think that's one of
them old school things that's like, yeah, bro, you're gonna
carry this well, run.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Everyhere you go.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
You gotta practice it, man, Like you gotta practice live
reps of having guys swiping going after the.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Ball to you. In practice, you gotta have guys that
are kind of like the way there. You know, it's practice.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
You can break off a little runner, you know what
I mean, like catch you off guard, Like you have
to have that muscle memory work to really allow that
to you know, stay in function and actually bring that
to you from like a neurological standpoint. And now you
have those reps where Okay, I'm used to somebody swiping
after the ball, really going after it.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
And I'm not really, you know, as much losing my
tug on it. So again, I.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Think it's all about just the body of the work
and the really treating the practices like the games.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Gonna take a quick break. Come back more with Chase
Edmunds on the other side. Stick around for more of
the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
So I want to ask you about a running back
that you were very high on during the draft process
from Kansas.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
State, DJ Giddings.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
Can you tell us more about what made you so
excited about his game and how do you see him
fitting behind JT and NNDY.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Man, when I was watching DJ Giddens film, I was
getting ready for the Good Morning Football segment and he
I'm not going to say that he's going to have
the same trajectory where he's going to be like this player,
but I'm telling you, bro, he really reminded me of
Lev Bell. I thought DJ getting said like top two
top three vision coming out with the classes in terms
of just his ability to just naturally find a whole
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and understand how linebackers may flow.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
And then he can really see a back gap cut.
Speaker 3 (22:37):
The other thing that I thought he did the best,
probably in the class was just naturally making somebody miss.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
I don't want to say like he's the most elusive.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
I'm not saying he's more elusive than Trevion Henderson or
something like that, But in terms of just naturally making
defenders miss, I mean there was you can pull a
multiple clips with DJ Getts naturally stopping his feet in
the hole, putting a defender on freeze, getting back outside,
getting back north south. And I think that when you
come to the NFL, that's the number one difference when
with rocky running backs who have success and who don't
have success. Can you make these guys miss in these
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type spaces because the holes collapse a lot faster, guys
fill the holes a lot quicker. And it's really about, Okay,
can you make somebody miss super quick and get back
north and south? And that's something that DJ Giddens.
Speaker 2 (23:18):
Does really well. As far as his role with Jonathan Taylor.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I think it's a perfect situation for him, to be honest,
you know, I think that he gets to take his
time and groom and really understand the speed of the game.
Understand kind of the schematics of the run system. He
doesn't have to come in and take fifteen carries. I
think he's going to be a great change of pace
back to JT, especially if he can really, you know,
take advantage of his role with the receiving role. You know,
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right now JT is not really used as that guy
that gets the grabs and gets the receptions. So I'm
sure Shane the head coach, will you know, draw some
plays up for DJ. So I think that I wouldn't
be surprised if you saw some some pony packages, meaning
both of those guys on the field at the same time,
and they really try to utilize DJ from like a
receiving standpoint, just to get his feed wet and really
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use his ability to make guys miss an open field.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
I'm Ashton Genty was sort of the headliner of this
draft class. He's the guy that everybody sort of started
the conversation with. I know, there's no such thing as
they can't miss prospect, right, you know, we see guys
who just for whatever reason just don't quite succeed. But
your thoughts on him and his chances to be successful
in year one with Pete Carroll and the Raiders.
Speaker 3 (24:30):
Yeah, I love Jet Ashton as a prospect. I think
going to oak I keep saying, OK, to Las Vegas,
used to.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
That, going to Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
The thing about being a six pick running back, right,
the expectation is going to be that he has to
run for like twelve hundred yards. And I used the
twelve hundred yards as a benchmark actually because I looked
up a weird stat every running back under Pete Carroll
he was in Seattle that had over two hundred carries
had at least twelve hundred total yards.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
I'm not gonna say twelve hund rushing yards, but twelve
hundred total yards.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
So you had four years in Rold Marshawn, you had
twenty eighteen and twenty nineteen with Chris Carson. So to me,
that's that's that's the benchmark. He's gonna have over two
hundred carries. I know that for a fact, as long
as he stays healthy. So how much they use him
in the receiving game, Boise State didn't really you know,
they didn't ask him to catch the ball.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
I'm not saying that he can't catch the ball.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
So that's something that I think is going to be
important and you know, really dictate.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
His final Fantasy ranking. What is he at right now?
For ADB, He's back with the running backs before brother.
That's that's crazy on him.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
That's just crazy to me because like I think, I
remember when I was really good at fantasy as a
as a player, when I was aasy and it was
because I was on an explosive offense bros Like one.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I was the receiving back.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
As well, But being on an explode offense just gives
you so many more opportunities for success. Like Ashton Genty
is going to be the number one option coming in
day one with the Raiders, even though they had the
greatest tight end season of all time.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Like you're tight, is just not going to be your
number on option.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
So every single defense, every single week is going to
try to stop number two asht Gents. So I do
think there's going to be some pullback a little bit
from what the expectation is to what the reality is
of the situation. I still think though he cranks that
twelve hundred yards total mark, and it just depends on
how many times he sees the end zone that really
you know, showcases where he finishes out as a fantasy
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running back.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
And then there's Omarion Hampton, who was consensus the RB
two in this class, but they signed Naji Harris just
before the draft, So what do you expect that backfield
to look like? And a lot of the times in
fantasy where like, well the rookies going to take over.
Is that the mindset of these players in the locker
room or how does that kind of work itself out?
Speaker 3 (26:57):
Well, that's never the mindset of the players in the
locker because, like again for us, it's all about the work.
So you won't know until training camp. Those guys that
get a better understanding of like have those two backs
Naji and a Mario him to compliment each other and
kind of who is the cream of the croft.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
I see that as being He's definitely.
Speaker 3 (27:15):
Going to touch the rock obviously, right. Is he going
to be a day one starter. I'm gonna say no,
because they did pay Naji five and a half. I
think for day one standpoint, it's like a one A,
one B thing. I do think Naji is the one
A back just because of the experience, and you don't
want to put so much pressure on the mind to
come in immediately and just be the future back. So
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I do like Naji still as the day one back,
and I also like Naji as the four minute running
back and possibly even the short yards goal on situation running.
But now I know Harbor, excuse me, he likes to
sprinkle in different backs at the short yard situation and
those guys are both power back systems, so it's not
really gonna matter. But Naji has a history of really
never funnling the football. He has two seasons of donuts
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with no fumbles, so to me, that screams four minute
running back. And for those that don't know, four minute
running back is when you're trying to close the game
out and that's where a lot of those those garbage
jars and chunk yards can come at the end of the
football games if possible touchdowns, right, So I do see
Naji being one day for at least the first quarter
of the season, so I mean, like the first four
(28:18):
games of the season, and then we'll see how it goes.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I'm a big stat guy, right, so if I'm killing
y'all with the stats, let me know.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
But no good. My last running backs to get drafted
from twenty to twenty five were Nausey and Jacobs.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Both of those guys had two hundred and forty carriers
to repeear.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
Now, they didn't have a Naji behind them, either one
of them. But I'm going to say that Omarion has
one hundred and eighty carries.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
That's pretty such. I'll say one hundred eighty carries and
it's pretty You do with that? How you think his
production is going to be one hundred eighty carries because
I mean they drafted him. They drafted so he's gonna play.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But I think that he's gonna play more later as
opposed to more earlier.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
Quick quick follow up there? How different is it for
a team like the Patriots who new coaching staff Ramandre
Stevenson was from the old coaching staff Henderson is there?
Like does that matter because we talk about that a
lot in fantasy? Is that very different from like the
Chargers who brought both running backs in.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
I think it matters a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
I'm not gonna say it matters a whole lot because
Remandre is a talented running back in this situation, but
like I'll give another example, like it matters a lot
in the Jaguar situation, Like where you know you got
Traff coming, you got a whole new coaching staff, and
Traff I'm not gonna see that it down yere, But
he was a little unhealthy, little banged up, So now
you know, people don't look at him as the same
for like the Patriots situation. Here's why I say it
(29:47):
doesn't matter as much. Those two guys really compliment one another.
So Remandre is going to be the first and second
down back, and I'll see the first and second and
short back. So that's how I see that split going
like a sixty to forty split with those guys. Rabriel
loves to obviously pound the rock impose physicality for his team,
so mag is definitely gonna have more carries out of
(30:07):
the two. But then what they're gonna do is they're
probably just gonna put both of those guys in the
situation that makes them succeed the most. So if it's
second and five and longer, expect Travon Henderson to be
on the football field. But if it's second to five
and shorter, because you still got that run there, will
Expectrimandre Stevenson to be on a football field. And then
third down situation, it will be Treyon's down, that will
(30:27):
definitely be his down. I think also for them for
fantasy impact, a big thing that's gonna matter is the
receptions to the red zone opportunities for the two. So
how many receptions is Trevon Henderson gonna be looking at
the game and then in the red zone is New
England going to take the approach of keeping the ball
in Drake Mason? Because if that's the case, Treyvion's probably
(30:50):
gonna be on the field more in the red zone.
But if Mike Vrabel wants they get inside the tenor
inside the fifteen, he kind of has that still that
Tennessee tighte mentality of now we're going to pound this
rocket and score from the ground. Then that's gonna be
Rimandre's role. So I think both of those guys has
a crazy successful fantasy year just because they compliment each
other so well.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
And I'm not talk a lot, but just to get
back to your point about Mario and we love this
yeah and Naji.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
That situation to me, they both are going to be
have their opportunities because it's like you said, the new
staff they brought in Naji, they just paid them off
free agency and they also wanted to bring in a
running back for the future, so I think they look
at that situation like, look, man, we got two guys
that now they are kind.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
Of the same type of back.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
I'll say you Marion probably will get more receiving just
because he's a little bit more explosive the Nagy in
terms of really taking those things to distance.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
But they are kind of like the same type of back.
So that's one of those things where I look at.
Speaker 3 (31:48):
As when it comes to target share, run share, everyone
to categorize it. I can see it being a down
the next split just between the two because of you
Harbor also bringing in Nagy.
Speaker 5 (32:00):
So I wanted to ask you about one of my
favorite running backs coming out of his class, r J.
Speaker 2 (32:04):
Harvey. Here's yeah, let's go Chase.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Let's go Chase.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
Now I'm wondering, how do you see him fitting in
this Sean Payton in Denver Broncos offense in year one?
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah, I love r J. Harvey.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Man. I called him real juice on it on the
Good Morning Football segment today. I tried to tell the
Bronco fans that's who I see they should go after.
And I just look at what Sean Payne has done
when he's had a really good, explosive, elusive back and
they all just had success. You look at Alvin Kamar's
rookie year. I think this is the benchmark for RJ.
Harvey because I actually think he'll touch the football more
(32:39):
than what AK did his REMII and AK finished with
fifteen fifty scrimmage yards and like thirteen touchdowns. So to me,
that's that's the benchmark for r J.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Harvey.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Fifteen hundred total yards and minimum ten touchdowns. I think
I think he'll touch the football a lot. He's explosive,
and man, you know what he has that denver O
Lion is our dogs, their dogs up front.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
You man, so come out and chase.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
You know, he's got a really good opportunity to do
some really special things out there.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
In my.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Uh what I let you know though, I mean we
talked about a whole lot of guys. Anybody that that
maybe you didn't mention that you got your eye on,
or just anybody you enjoy watching play at the running
back spot?
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Who do I enjoy watching play at the running back
spot right now? The obvious choice is obviously Saquon jumping
over people.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
That is just that's absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Aaron Jobs, man, you know who I'm going to go
as a sleeper though, and I wanted to make sure
I touched on this. It's two guys, And I don't
know if you want to call him a sleeper because
I think he's like RB nineteen right now. But you
when you check football Twitter, and then when I was
looking at like some of the draft mocks the disrespect
that DeAndre Swift was getting, let me tell you guys,
(33:56):
DeAndre Swift is going to be a top ten running
back this season. Talk about it, man, Yo, d PA
boy for Philly. But d Swift is so cold. I
love his game. I love how explosive he is. I
love how elucive he is just watching from the TV.
I'm not going to ever kill coaching because again, you know,
(34:17):
we all working hard in the NFL. But the scheme
that they were running from like a run game standpoint,
they still no shot.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
If you knew what you were looking at, you were
watching Chicago's run game from a schematic standpoint, they didn't
stand a shot, you know. And so I think he
averaged like three point nine yards last year. People were
kind of trying to kill him on. Look, what did
they meet it up? That offensive line over there. Ben
Johnson is going to come in and call some explosive plays,
and DeAndre Swift is going to benefit like hell out
(34:43):
of having Ben Johnson there, and he's going to remind
people that he's the real deal. Another guy that I
like that I think is going to have a lot
more opportunity is Jordan Mason coming to miss.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
That's joy, Let's go.
Speaker 4 (34:59):
That's your guy. You're talking to my guys right now,
Let's go.
Speaker 2 (35:03):
I think I just think Aaron Jones is still gonna
be very productive.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
I think Aaron Jones one of the more underrated running
backs of our era. Truly, like he's been always productive
in every single season, but because of his age a
little bit, I think they will try to keep him
healthy for a seventeen game season. Jordan Mason's coming into
the same system that he just left in San Francisco,
so the familiarity there.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Again.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
You look at any team that's coached by Koc calling
the players bro. I love Koc. I think he's a
top three offensive line in this NFL. In this league,
you got Justin Jefferson and Addison on the outside, so
the not gonna see heavy boxes.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I'm as long as J. J.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
McCarthy comes in there and does what they do, Minnesota
is gonna be better than like.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
I don't want to say better because they want like fourteen.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Games, but they'll be right at the next top of
the of the NFC North, you know.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
And then my last sleeper, last sleeper.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
Strictly off of situation for fantasy purposes, Cam Scataboo.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Yeah, we're a scatabol friendly podcast.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
Man.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Cam.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
He's better out of the backfield than people want to
give him credit for. Maybe just because they just see
the white skin and that he's two thirty, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (36:09):
But he actually can catch the football, he can run routes.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
But I think day one, no matter what, he's the
short yardest goal one running back for the Giants because
they still got Secretary and Tracy.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
That's going to be his role no matter what.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
So the people that love that vulture term, he might
vulture some touchdowns away, Like Cam can give you ten
points and have six touches in the game, like truly
just because it gets you a touchdown and maybe two grabs.
So Cam Scattable, I think is someone that he's he'll
be a sleeper for fantasy.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Oh man, Yeah, teen Cam weird team Cam here on
this show, so we absolutely love all of that. Going
down the list of Fordham greats, you got Vince Lombardi,
Denzel Washington. For Dodger fans, it's Vin Scully and then
Chase Edmonds. Chase, We're so glad to have you on
the show. It was a lot of fun having the conversation.
And I know you're starting to get back in the game,
so good luck to you, you know, on your work out,
(37:00):
your rehabs, and hopefully we see you back on the
field sometime soon.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Man, but we p you got so much.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Thanks for the opportunity to have me absolutely Before we
get out of here, quick note for you, no show
for you beginning of next week. We'll be back with
a cheat sheet next Thursday, so stay tuned for that.
In the meantime. That'll do it for this edition of
the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Stay happy, safe and healthy,
do good, live well, enjoy the holiday week and everybody,
and we will talk to you again next week.
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