Middle-Round Favorites, Braelon Allen vs. Breece Hall, + Preseason Week 2 Recap

On the latest NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, Marcas Grant, Michael F. Florio, and LaQuan Jones dive into the latest NFL storylines. They discuss the Colts edging closer to a decision on their QB1 for the season, share strategies for drafting Rashee Rice despite his impending league suspension, and highlight the middle-round players they love. Plus, they recap all the action from Week 2 of the preseason. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wowow hey everybody, It's Monday, August eighteenth, twenty twenty five.
Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where we are
not drafting Wandale Robinson in the third round. Your man
named g Marcus graduated by Michael f Florio and Lakwan Jones.

(00:22):
So all right, full disclosure. Like, I had other things
going on this weekend, so I didn't really get to
the rundown. So I'm trying to figure out which one
of you two wrote that I wrote it, but it's
about him. Yes, I didn't write it. I was really
surprised that I made it in the rundown. What's going on?
I was sitting there last night like what can I do?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
And then send us a text of someone in his
home league taking what And I even was like, okay,
he's sending.

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Us Oh yeah, oh wait locker, I didn't see I
missed that part of the text. The part that I
was fixed on was Travis Hunter at the one on one. Yeah,
I missed that. Like there was so much going on
in this league where I'm just like where am I?
Your home league is chaos, man, chaos, Like I almost
wanted to leave because I was like, wait, that had

(01:05):
to be a mistake, like Wando Robinson in the third round.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
But then I'm like, wait, wait, wait, Travis Hunter just
went one oh one, Like what are we believing in?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
This is a one quarterback PPR league. This is the
regular of all leagues. I was gonna ask you if there's
the points for snap's played.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
No one's hosting dreams, That's what it is, because it's
just like Travis.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Hunter at the one o one is insane. This is
why I remind people, by the way, if you are
you know, if you're an analyst or if you're just
somebody who's deep in the fantasy street. I'm playing these
like these high stakes leagues go draft with like casual folks.
Like people don't because it's a different world. Like your
head will be on a swivel. Which pick do you
think is crazy?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
Crazier Hunter one oh one or Wandel in the middle
of the third dale, I think that it gotta.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Be wonder But he's been getting a lot of camp love,
and you see the videos and like you see Russell
Wilson trying to target him deep down the field, where
I'm like, well, we're not getting that close to the
line of scrimmage guy, No more giant.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Uh No, there's this is what's crazy when you jump
back into fantasy so late in it. And I say
late for us because we're degenerates. We're all we've been
here for a while.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
When you opened that fantasy scrap book of like the
notes and cheet sheets and et cetera, and it's like
the second week of August, this is exactly what you get.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
Well, also, I'm assuming your home league is East Coast based,
so the news that they are getting it's cycled. But
it's also very Jets and Giants focus, you know, so
I can see how that would happen. Look, I played
in the league once I lived in Presno, California, and
Ryan Matthews had just been I drafted from Fresno State

(02:40):
to the Chargers. I haven't heard that right, But I
played in the league with a bunch of Fresno State
guys and Ryan Matthews was the number two overall pick.
There was a stretch where like like that was crazy,
but like the craziest I've ever seen in any draft.
But hey, more power to you. Did not expect to

(03:02):
take this detour to start the show anyway. Today's show
we're gonna talk about some guys we love in the
middle rounds. Today, we'll pick guys that we like in
rounds five through eight. Uh, then on Wednesday we will
do nine through twelve, and then Thursday's show or Friday show.
I don't know what they are we releasing these shows.
I think Friday, Yeah, figure it out. Let's figure it out.

(03:23):
Whatever that show is going to be rounds thirteen through sixteen.
So we'll kind of help you with guys that we like,
sort of in the middle to late rounds to kind
of help because we know a lot of drafts are
coming up in the next week or two, so I'm
giving you some some thoughts to talk about. Also, we'll
kind of recap week two of the preseason, what we saw,
what we liked. I was patting myself on the back
about Elik Ioman or Yeah, you had a big catching

(03:44):
catch and run, like one of one of only two
passes that cam Ward completed.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I think it was you guys are standing. I think
it was Van Jefferson that.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
That just amazing I have called it. I don't think
I'm a stand anymore. I used to be, but I
get but yeah, I don't think that he.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
Had to catch that ball man. That would have been
such a highlight, like, yeah, cam Ward would have finally
been talked about, right, and Van Jefferson was like, Nope,
not today.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Looks good though, I mean he looks good in totality.
I think, you know, might have something this year. Although
Crammore does say the offense is mid. Yeah, the offense
is very mid. So all right, speaking of mid, let's
talk about the Colts ship. Oh boy, the mid off
Shane Steichen says he is very close to making a

(04:32):
decision at quarterbacks. So I feel like we touched on
this a little bit last week. I know how Lakwan
feels about this whole thing. I'm asking you, I kind
of know how you feel about this whole thing too,
But choose your fighter, Anthony Richardson or Daniel Jones.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I'm going down with the ship man.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
What am I? Dude?

Speaker 2 (04:49):
I think I think Anthony Richardson looked really good the
other day, Like he had that one throw with pressure
in his face where he like floated it and and
I tweet and I was like, yeah, people are always like,
why can't you give up on Anthony Richardson And like
Lebron this is why I can't do it.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
But yeah, I think he looked good.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
And I continue to say, man, if you're the Colts,
you need to see what you have in him, right
Like Daniel Jones could be a stop gap for this year,
maybe help you, but but he's on a long term answer.
Anthony Richardson could be a long term answer.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
We don't know yet.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
And I think if you're the Colts, your number one
goal for this season should be to see what you
haven't Anthony Richardson.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
So then lakwan if it is Richardson that wins this gig,
where are you on Michael Pittman, Josh Downs, Tyler Warren?
Like where do you come in on those guys.

Speaker 3 (05:40):
Like even with the box who are like you look
at the number seventy three passing yards. If you weren't
watching a game, then you would not know that he
had like a big thirty eight yard pass negated by flag.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
But there wasn't much separation.

Speaker 3 (05:52):
Between Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson. And I do think
at least with Dan Jones bouncing back from that bad
pass and wide open you missed from Tyler Warren, both
of these quarterbacks look capable of running in functioning this offense.
So I'm not totally out on the Colts pass catchers
just because Anthony Richardson made this race a little bit closer. Now,
I do feel like going into this season like it's

(06:12):
going to come down to which Colts wide receiver do
you want that is costing you the least risk there,
and I think obviously taking your shot to Ady Mitchell
Cool Josh Downs, he might be in that price range
where you're looking at a Deebo Samuel or Jerry Jude
that look a little bit more attractive. So I do
think Michael Pittman, the injury concern is there, it's like

(06:32):
you're just gonna have to get the safest bet of
that Colts pass catcher, where it really shouldn't matter who
wins this race.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
As to QB one, yeah, I mean I have been
encouraged by all the reports that Richardson was looking better
this year, right, and that he was running even and
sometimes ahead of Daniel Jones. I know, Florio you've said,
and I agree with you. I think if you're Daniel Jones,
you have to just outright win the job. I think
Richardson's gonna get the benefit of the doubt because of
the draft capital there, so you know, we'll see if

(07:01):
he's making quicker passes too.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
Yeah, he was, like his passes were under the two
and a half seconds, which is like good for a quarterback,
compared to last week where it was like thirty three
percent in his passes. So the quick decisiveness of him
just looking and making direction, hitting the ball where it
needs to go, That's exactly what the Colts want to see.
And I think that's what gets him on the field,
you know, QB one week one.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, I just you know, he just needs to keep
his head on a swivel so he doesn't take hits
and so that his pinky thing continue to move is
important to the outside. When his hand is straight up
in the air, you know, the ship is coming uplurial
out of the water and I like, slightly coming up.

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Tyler Warren to bust though for pass catching, right, That's
where I'm kind of I'm Tyler warning Like it was.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
The Loveland thing was mostly about the draft capital spin,
and then when I started watching the Colts offense, I'm like,
oh no, they're scheming things up. I think he's going
to be their tough target they're trying to get.

Speaker 3 (07:52):
He has to be He's going to be their biggest
playmaker of that because they're hitting him down the line,
they're hitting him long downfield, and like that's where the
yards are gonna come in that yak yards that he has. Boy,
it's gonna be a lot of points on Sunday.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, well, well we'll see about that. Hopefully a lot
of points on Sunday. Uh for she Rice. Last week
we were talking about the fact that his disciplinary hand
hearing was scheduled for September thirtieth, which would have been
about a month into the season. Now there's talk that
he could be suspended before the season. The NFL proposed

(08:26):
a ten games suspension. What what's better, Lakwan? Is it?
Is it to get him for a month and then
lose him for like six to eight games? Is it
just to just, you know, rip off the band aid
and have him gone for ten Like what is the better?
What is the better case scenario? Because they both seem bad.
They are both bad. It's like the same same but

(08:48):
different but still the same.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
It's like bad, But I do like that in this
chaos of home league that I was in, I feel
like more casual fantasy to second round for no late
he went super and it's like that's the price he
should be going at, Like he should be only a
wide receiver four or five target like later in those
drafts to like get that reinsurance on your wide.

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Receiver roster corps. So it's like people who are.

Speaker 3 (09:12):
Just now coming back outside, they hate suspensions, Like that's
the one thing. Like all the casual folks are playing
for week one, So for him to drop as far
as he did in those later rounds, that's where I'm
targeting him in drafts because I think either way, if
we get him the first four weeks, cool, we get
those points and suspended for like eight to ten games,
he'll be back for the fantasy playoffs if you draft
properly and have a strong wide receiver corps. So having

(09:34):
that reinforcements going to the playoffs, I absolutely still want
to buy in no matter the outcome of the suspension.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
I just I just struggled to know that I might
be burning a bench spot for Ay. You got folks
out there drafting Kyle Pitts, man, that's a bench spot.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
Like price was going where Kyle Pitts was going, i'd
be but I to me, if he suspended before the year,
that is best case scenario.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
I'm sorry, I'm just I'm just marveling at the sniper
shot he took. Yeah, the field I would.

Speaker 3 (10:06):
Burn last year jumping on the train once because of
the salesman next to me. Now I want to burn
that ticket and forget I ever even bought it.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I get it.

Speaker 2 (10:14):
But if ra she Rice was going as like a
fourteenth round pick, I'd be like, I don't care what.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
I think. That's where he went and the can draft
and I think, folks, that are where he's going to
go in a lot of drafts.

Speaker 3 (10:23):
But a lot of drafts are up this week and
a lot of casules are out here coming back outside.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
So it's like, but he's going in like the seventh round,
which is where his ADP is.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
I can't pay.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Like, if we knew he was suspended even six games
to start the year, I can get behind drafting him
because the first four weeks there's no buys, so it's easy.
I have a plan in place. But if I'm drafting blind,
not knowing if or when and for how long he
is going to be taken from me, it's too risky
because what Tom was saying was that if Rashi Rice

(10:57):
appeals this, it could carry out to where he's missing
NFL playoff games. And if he's missing NFL playoffs, missed
all the fans.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
So I don't think he's gonna appeal it. If they
come down with like six games, slap on.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
They came out with ten.

Speaker 3 (11:12):
I think eight feels like a even if it's appeal it,
like take accountability. I mean, what he did was bad,
but at the end of the day, it's like, bro,
you're coming back this season.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
But if he's eight games, say, and like they're saying
the ruling might come between week four and five, let's
say it comes after week five. We're talking about him
not coming back then to the fantasy playoffs. You're just
throwing him out there.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
I want that reinforcement. I want that that that good
sleep of knowing like, hey, I could wake up tomorrow
and put him in my start.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Here's here's the other part of this though, right, is
that let's let's say it's eight games, right, Let's say
he's out through well, say he's out through week eight, right,
So you're missing those first eight weeks of the season,
the Chiefs out there buying week ten. Yeah, so like
he comes back, he's let's say he comes back in
week now, he plays the game, then he's off again.
Like at that point you really are like you're not
in the playoffs, but you're pretty damn clothes, but in that.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
One game to buy because you have to like with So,
say he goes out week five on an eight game suspension,
then we're talking about week I would put him at
week fourteen.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
He's the start of the fantasy playoffs game. I have
to go.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
I don't think fantasy playoffs. You're throwing a guy you
haven't seen in three months, three months the first.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Three weeks and last season what we saw that was
like phenomenal like performance in connection with Mahomes, Like I'm
looking for that high, I'm looking for that ceiling in
the fantasy.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
Then there's gonna be three months of them operating without.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
But he's a clear plug and play. We'll be talking Worthy,
I mean Hollywood health.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Is he still around?

Speaker 1 (12:40):
That's Worthy has his own role. He's not going to
interchange and be like a Rashid, Right, yeah, throw after
being out too much like this is like one or
this is do or die like you don't get to
come back like, oh, it's a bad week, but you
know weack next week, Like no, that's but that's why
you draft your one, two and three wide receivers of

(13:01):
the strength to have to be able to carry you.
And so then by then are you willing to pull
one of your one, two and three for a guy
who's if you're if you're three is James and Williams
and he's giving you mid or he's giving you like
blow expectations with what yeh.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Why are we throwing?

Speaker 1 (13:15):
I mean, I'm not throwing. I'm actually on the j
MO train this season. I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (13:20):
I'm just saying, because he does, that's what that was.
You could swap him out easily. Or if you draft Worthy.

Speaker 1 (13:26):
And you end up getting Rice later, you could just
swap out Worthy if Rice is coming in making the
noise early, so it's a safe safe I'm gonna let
you be. I'm gonna let you have that headache. Yeah,
I would need.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
To see because like what if there's a snap count
or something like that. But we're getting way ahead of ourselves,
Like to me, that is the problem. I don't want
to I don't want to spend a seventh round.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Scared money, don't make money?

Speaker 2 (13:46):
Have a player really on my team until because the
first three games he's coming back from a serious knee injury.

Speaker 1 (13:53):
You know what if he's not. You know who says
scared money, don't make money? Con man who are trying
to take your money? Those people say that the dude
playing three card Monty out in front of a Vegas casino,
that's the guy who says scared money, making no money.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (14:07):
He might be right right? You got that? Uh? Anyway
that we could go on for a while. Yes, let's
not the Commander's reportedly shopping Brian Robinson Junior. Oh yeah,
I mean I again, I was sort of in and
out over the weekend. I popped on social media. I
saw people talking about first time I shout out to

(14:28):
our pal Jake Seey right, because when you're not at
the beginning of the conversation and you're trying to catch up,
you're sort of and like, all I see is so
if b R gets traded and then j CM pops
and I'm like, what is it? How what I talk about?
Xbox cheek Cooke. It was so confused. Jake I love you.
I needed you to write out the full names. That's all.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
It's also save about four seconds.

Speaker 1 (14:52):
Jake, come on like that all I wanted to know.
Uh so Brian Robinson, who's been me during Is that fair? Yeah?
During his time with the Commanders could be on his
way out. I know Jacory Krofsky Merritt was getting a
whole lot of hype. I'm florio. How are we feeling
about jacm and Austin Eckler at this point? I think, look,

(15:14):
I want to I want to throw more darts on them.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
I will admit the JCM hype I was a big
like I'm moving him up the rankings and stuff, but
I'm not really fully buying it. But if this comes
to fruition, then I mean we have no choice but
to buy in. But he's gonna get the hype and
he's gonna be the one that gets pulled up more.
I think Austin Eckler people are just gonna continue to
be like he's old, he's Austin Eckler like, and he

(15:38):
could be the passing down back like like he has
a clear cut roll. I'm not trying to get super
bullish on right now because Brian Robinson.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Is still there, like it's just a rumor.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
I'm not really trying to get so excited about any
of the Commanders running backs, especially when you add in
what Jayden could do with his legs and what Debo
could potentially do. I think it's just a fantasy nightmare.
But if Brian Robinson was moved, I would be a
lot more interested in those other twoms.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
What is your level of concern, LaQuan that they don't
move Brian Robinson and then we just get a gross
three headed backfield there.

Speaker 3 (16:13):
I don't think that's probably what's gonna happen, because if
Jacum is completely playing better than Brian Robinson, they're shopping
him this late into, you know, the offseason. I feel
like he's made a statement to have at least a
predominant role out of this backfield, and I think he
brings to the table a lot different than what Austin
Eckler still has or with a Brian Robinson, because.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
He could be a pass catcher, he could be explosive
out of the backfield. He's good in between and outside
of the tackles. There's a lot of qualities that obviously
they believe in him to where he would be the
safest pick out of this three headed monster because I
think he outperforms Brian Robinson. I think he outperforms Austin Eckler,
but in a sense with Eckler, where he's going in
drafts is completely free, so there's no risk baked into

(16:55):
buying into this backfield, even if b Robins moved or not.
So I do like the opportunity that if I have
a draft this weekend, and let's say be rob this
move today tomorrow, et cetera, I can go into the
very late rounds and stash me at JCM. I do
think Austin Eckler brings you, like the not sexy pick,
but he does bring like some security to at least

(17:15):
if he's on the move and Austin Eckler ends up
as the RB two. I'm trying to think of where
Robinson could go that would enhance his fantasy value. And
I'm said the Bengals, I mean, no, please, why not
Chase Brown? I know everybody's in my DNS, and shut
your mouth.

Speaker 2 (17:34):
I don't think it good for Robinson. I just think
he would be annoying, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, but he fits their type because they reached out
to Clove Herbert last season, so like they just want
that hard nose runner, and I think b Rob will
be that and Chase can continue being out of the
backfield as a pass catcher. Yeah, I just I'm really
struggling to find a place where he could go that
would yeah, you'd be like, Okay, I'm maybe sort of
in on this like Houston. But that means that means

(18:00):
Jill mixing. Would that means Jill mix is bad? Man?
If that happens, like you know, I mean Sean Payton
could throw a wrench at everything and just bring it. Hey, hey,
whoa now because you took a shot at Jamison Williams
on bro That's why the R. J. Harvey Show stop anyway?

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Dallas?

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Dallas would be the one Yep, there we go, all right?
That would just be gross, Yeah, because I do feel
like that should have been in a move to do anyway,
like before even signing Miles Sanders, Gervonte Williams just went
right for.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
Babe the Chargers.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
If they can't get nauseyall oh, I don't know if
the Hampton lovers want to hear that.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Man, all right, we canna say, don't speculate all day.
It's probably not probably not great podcasting. Take a break. Comeback,
we're gonna dive into the middle round some guys we like.
We each have a couple of guys that we like
in rounds five through eight to sort of help you
as you're making those for your draft coming up to
stick around for more of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast

(18:59):
back here as we dive into the middle rounds of
your draft. Forgot to mention, by the way, at the
top of the show, file this under the sun rises
in the East. Joe Flacco's your starting quarterback for the Browns.
Let's go. You're way too excited about that. You shouldn't
be that. Come on, you know, in Big Jersey, I
gotta represent my folks out there. Man. He's Jersey's finest,
He's elite. You don't gotta yeah, man, come on, Joe Flak.

(19:22):
We already knew this though, this like this is not
breaking new under no circumstances that you gotta hand it
to Joe flat Come on, it's not a surprise that
I think we all know it was trending that way.
How long you hold on to the job That remains
to be seen all right, So we decided to look
at rounds five through eight based on ADPs and pick
out some guys or groups of guys that we love

(19:45):
drafting in those rounds. We each have a couple in
this scenario, Sili Kwan, who is your first sort of
mid round maybe not necessarily value, but guy or guys
that you love like in those rounds. Like, I'm looking,
can I make my wide receiver room stronger, because that's
obviously like my strategy where I'm going this season, like

(20:05):
heavy wide receiver. If I could start two wide receivers,
it's still the same strategy as if I could start three.
So I feel like this is where you get your
wide receiver fours and fives, and like the Stefan Diggs
and the Matthew Golden's of the worlds like you can
really strengthen with that high upside, because those are the
guys that I feel like you can honestly get like
a solid high end wide receiver two and that can

(20:26):
be your you know, if I have a bye week
or if I have an injury, these guys come in
as clear plug and plays. All right. I keep hearing
the name Matthew Golden popping up a lot lately. When
did when did we all flip? Like? When did when
did everybod Because remember they drafted Matthew Golden and we
were like, it's like one hundred and seventy people in
the room, and now all of a sudden, everybody's like

(20:47):
Matthew Golden could be interesting. I'm like, there's still eleventy
other wide receivers there, Like what changed for everybody? It's
guys dealing with injuries. I mean, you got Dobs. He
was dealing with a little banged up injuries. Christian Watson,
Christian Watson's but that's no surprise, Dull, I mean since
last season, Like his per injury rate is very high
right now, Like it's one of those things we already knew.

Speaker 3 (21:08):
But Jayden Reid he's doing push ups and walking boots
and stuff like that, like trying to show he's still
got it, Like I'm the wide receiver one. Like he's
pumping his chest. That's all ego to me right there
by the way.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Just I saw that like doing push ups with I mean,
I mean, I guess it.

Speaker 3 (21:23):
Just but Jane Reid, he's not none of the twelve
personnel packages. He's not out there being used as a
Matthew gold.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
I still think y Reid is awesome though, but that
is of course crux. You don't use him in two
wide receivers.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Yeah, he's about to be Marvin Mimes where he's going
to be used sprinkled in at certain times. That no,
I think, I know. I do think he's better than that.
He'll do what Marvin Mimmes does at a very limited
snap role at a better rate. I do think that
that's what it's starting to look like.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Well, they play a lot of three wide receiver sets,
so I like Jayden Reid could like there. To me,
I don't think anything has changed in this Packers receiving room.
Like I think there's plenty of weeks where Jaden Reid
is their top target. I think there'll be weeks where
Romeo Dobbs gets his two touchdowns or whatever, and then
there'll be golden weeks. Like I just think it's going
to be. It's how they like to play. They like

(22:10):
to spread the ball out and like Tucker Kraft will
have a game here or there, it's gonna.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Be we got Loot musk Grave too. But that's why
I think they're going more towards that twelve because they
got Loop Musgrave there where. He's fast. He's one of
those athletic tight ends as well. And with Tucker Craft,
we know he's the yacht king. Like I think those
are two weapons that could be mixed into this offense
with Dobbs on the perimeter and Golden playing as like
a one essentially as the new shiny toy.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I just don't think Read ever goes fully away.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Now he's gonna get used like Marvin Mims, Like I
said that sprinkled in. He's banged up right now. So
he's coming into this season.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
He's the veteran in that.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
I think Golden he's shaking the room. I'll say that
just watching the clips, it's like there's every clip you're
seeing like he could do everything.

Speaker 1 (23:00):
I don't doubt that. It's just that's just not the
way the Packer offense operate. I mean, you hat Matt
laflor last should be like we don't have an epide?
Was it the idea of make of talking about a
number one receiver makes me sick to my stomachainst me nauseus.
Whatever it is, like, that's just not And then.

Speaker 3 (23:13):
All his wide receivers ended up crashing out Romeo dobsons
Man and Jayden Reid having his agent tapp in like, yo,
I'm the wide receiver one right, Like that's what caused that.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Like, but you think that's gon You think mattl Fluir
shook now and be like, oh we gotta feed somebody
draft Matthew Golden in the first and so yeah, I
don't think there you go. I don't think he shook
like that. He's just like, let's just add another funko
pop to the run. That was. That's all that was, Florida.
Who do you like in this range?

Speaker 2 (23:38):
We're talking like fifth, sixth, seventh, right, like yeah, pretty
much every running back that goes in that range. Like,
so that's why I like to get receivers early. I'll
go hero Orb probably take one in like round two,
load up on receivers in like one, three, four.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
But look at the running I mean, Trevion is starting
to get priced out of that range, but all summer
long Henderson was in that range. You have James Connor,
who I think is universally yearly underappreciated. Kenneth Walker's in
that range, who I think brings league winning upside, you
have Pachecko there, DeAndre Swift, I like a lot, Like
there's no Marion Hampton is getting priced out of that range,

(24:14):
but he was in there for a bit. Like I
just love the running backs in that range, and because
they're so like I wrote the top ten running back
values in for NFL dot Com and they're pretty much
all these round five through seven guys, because I just
think they're like, put Checko to me, is someone that
should be like two rounds higher, but he's not. So
I'm gonna just keep taking what I think is a

(24:35):
huge value there, all of these names that I meant.

Speaker 1 (24:37):
R J.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Harvey is another one in that range. Like I love
all Caleb Johnson if you wait a little bit, Jordan Mason,
Like it's so much talent. Names keep popping into my
head and uh yeah, so just get your receivers early
because in those middle rounds you're going to be able
to get running backs that you could start weekly and
feel very confident about it.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
And it's pretty much my approach in every draft I've
done so far. You mention in the name Caleb Johnson
and I saw a report that basically so it's like
reports with Camper like he looks like Najie Harris but
maybe not as glove. Same same, but still that seems
sort of like it feels it kind of feels like

(25:17):
we're watching Najie Harris right now. And Caleb Johnson was
drafted to be better than nag He's nause with more speed,
but get a good night's sleep on a sleep good
putting on his highlights. That is true.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
But the thing is like everyone's hyping up Kenneth gain Well.
I'm like, oh yeah, in year five, yeah, suddenly becomes something.
And then Jalen Warren. It's like they they know what
they've had in Jalen Warren, and they went out and
they added Caleb Johnson. And last year Arthur Smith used
Warren even less than he was.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
The prior year. So fantasy right there. I still think
that work again. Caleb Arthur Smith loves big backs like
John New.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
Really, he will hand him the ball on the goal
line probably, I'm gonna call it now. It's gonna probably
be in the first couple of weeks where John New
is gonna get a handoff in the red zone.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
We're gonna be like, oh yeah, I forgot who's on
the sticks, Arthur Smith. I mean that actually that actually
seems okay because like people will have John new Smith,
it's when Darnell Washington gets the hand off on the
really gonna be salty. Have you seen that man, Darnell Washington. Yes,
he's a human on human on human, he's a unit.
Why haven't they been using him in the red zone

(26:34):
free fire move? I don't know. This is what I'm
salty about. You just taking a sniper shots in Jamison Williams,
Oh my god, because I love I love him in
the middle round. I didn't even see him in the
run down. I love him in the middle rounds. I've
been Johnson and Jamison Williams where I can because I so.
My hot ish take is he could end up being

(26:54):
the Lions leading receiver this year. I don't think that's
take everyone.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
But to me, I'm not like, oh my god, I'm like,
oh yeah, that that could happen.

Speaker 3 (27:05):
But that makes me more down on a man like
he's going further in that first round, like in the
back of the year, falling a little bit.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Why wouldn't you want Jameson as well?

Speaker 1 (27:14):
But I'm not saying I don't want Jameson I was
just making an example just in case if he was
the fall off expectations, like this is the route you
go with the Stefan Diggs should just plug and play.
And maybe it's a little bit of him taking away
from but I don't think it's like significantly enough. Like
if you take I think you have more receiving yards. Yeah,
I'm okay saying, yeah, it's probably not gonna be more catches,
but maybe more yards any thing. It's still worth taking

(27:38):
ours at the end of the first round. Yeah, early,
So you know, if somebody falls early second rate, great, great,
he's still gonna be good enough to take in that spot.
But I think this is when we see Jamison Williams
truly make the leap. Right, he had a thousand yards
last year, first time he finally had a normal off season. Right,
he wasn't rehabbing an injury, he wasn't dealing with the suspension.

(27:58):
He got to be there and we saw what he
can do, and so I think this is the year
that he really goes to the next level. I know
new offensive coordinator John Morton has taken over. By the way,
not to be confused with former USC and Detroit Lions
wide receiver Johnny Morton. They are two different people. They
are two very different But I think, you know, John

(28:21):
Morton's gonna figure out how to get the ball. Like
I'm not worried about Aman Rah, I'm not worried about
Jamior Gibbs. I think they're gonna find ways to use
Jamis and Williams as more than just a field stretcher.
Haut in space. Let him use the speed megawork.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
But with his field like I think what goes under
Like everyone is talking about what the Lions might suffer
without Ben Johnson, and I get it, But they threw
the deep ball at like. They were a bottom two
deep ball team every year he was there. So more
deep balls is not only good for Jameis and Williams,
It's good for everyone on the offense. And they were
also the run heaviest offense in the red zone. What

(28:56):
if they start throwing more when they get closer to
the goal line, like that could be more.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Touchdowns for the pass catchers.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Like it. I think this could be a good thing
for fantasy purposes, maybe not for real life purposes.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
But and everyone's only talking about it as a negative
side that this is the first year. I think I'm
fading David Montgomery. It feels like that. Yeah, feels like
the Fantasy years are kind of just I just because
I think this is the year they go all in
on Jami or Gibbs. Yah. Basically, I mean Jason Camenda,
I mean you know former lines, you know, linebacker, fullback.
He was saying like how there could be more on

(29:28):
the table for Gibbs, and I'm like, wait a second.
Gibbs just had like three hundred touches last season. Yeah,
like what could be more there?

Speaker 3 (29:34):
So that he got me thinking like I could take
him off at the one oh flash by and feel
confident about Gibbs being in that top three or the
RB one.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Overall, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (29:43):
It goes under the rudder.

Speaker 1 (29:44):
He was the RB one last year.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
One didn't play week eighteen, but in weeks through seventeen
it was Saquon. But like, yeah, like I think Gibbs
is that good and Monty feels like a not a
benefactor of Ben Johnson, but like that was bary Ben
Johnson skew.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Yeah, I mean I say I drafted him in I
think I drafted him in The King's Classic. But it
was one of those things where it just sort of
fell right, you know, like I wasn't. I wasn't like
I was like, okay, yeah, I can you know, we
can work with this. This is gonna be fine sort
of thing. So I've been a big Monty guy or
David Montgomery.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
I'd still take Monty. Yeah, costs, that's a discussion.

Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, but I think I just think when you factored in,
the Lions are gonna score more touchdowns. Like that's the thing,
Like the whole point of this game is to score
score points. I do think we're going to get a
Jared Goof season this year, though, because I think John
Moore wants to be aggressive more throwing downfield, and this
is where golf shows his old self and that rams Jersey.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
I think it it won't be as good for real life,
but I think it could be better. Like I think
golf ceiling is higher now, and that's something that's not
getting talked about because more touchdowns in the red zone
and more deep balls could just naturally lead to like
it's a more turn over, but it all lead to
better counting.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
So golfer Kyler because that's kind of where the ADPs are.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Because I haven't taken Kyle.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
I think I'm taking Kyler he can run. Yeah, yeah,
I think I'm taking Kyler. Uh. Speaking of qbs though,
you like some qbs in Yeah, this is where the
QB one should be going. Like, you don't have to
pay that premium price for the Jayden Daniels to Joe
Burrows Josh Allen, No, you don't. You don't have to
because I can give you wat Yeah, if you want those.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Guys, I get it. But there's guys that have that
same type of ceiling. Like again, this is where the
Patrick Mahomes, the Dak Presscotts, the bow Knicks, like all
these guys. I could wait in these rounds where I
can get the elite qb ones that have that type
of upside, Like elite is in terms of like real life,
Like Dak he's on that table to be elite because
we know it's forty five hundred yards forty plus touchdowns

(31:47):
are on the table this year with Pickens and CD
so like he can honestly be a top three quarterback
and look where you're getting them in those mid rounds.
So it's not always the same game plan to go
in the third round and get it like a Lamar
Jackson or whatever, because what's the difference between one and
three When it comes to Dak and Lamar. At the
end of the day, you're having a QB one at

(32:09):
the elite ceiling that's going to give you that twenty
plus fantasy points per game.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
I feel if you're taking Dak, that's a I mean
not a reach because I like, I think Dak's being underdrafted,
but he's going way later than that. Even Yeah, wait.

Speaker 3 (32:19):
Outside like the top like the top ten rounds, Like
I think he's like living and breathing the eleventh round, right.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
But you're talking like I see. I love the value
of waiting, Like Justin Fields is my guy. I love
waiting that range. But yeah, when you're taking the top five,
especially the top three, I think there's a there's three.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah, like their floors are QB fu. I just need
that twenty fantasy points per game.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Yeah, but you know you're getting that out of Lamar Jaden. Yes,
you don't know you're getting that out of Dak. You're
hoping to.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
Get that out of Hoping. But the pieces that are
there just kind of indicate like, hey, but Lamar and Alan.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
And Jayden are going to be probably like twenty three
twe because they have their legs.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
They have their legs as well. I mean, so I
understand the value of going early at quarterback. It's not
it's not my way, but I understand it. So I'm
gonna leap frog you here.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
And I don't like going the Joe Burrow route though.
I feel like you're paying the elite price and you're
not getting any.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Russian production young getting. But but he's good enough throwing
the ball where it.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
He put up complete video game numbers last year and
he was the QB three.

Speaker 1 (33:21):
I think Dak could do that. I think Dak has
a Burrow of last year season.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
But their ceiling is like QB three four in that range.
Like you need to run to be the QB one.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
You can't be it without running. That's true. So I'm
gonna leap prog you here because my guy is Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
That makes sense.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
I did not see the run because my guy is
Patrick Mahomes, because he has dropped out of that elite
tier of quarterbacks, right. I mean, people are sort of
talking about a big five where you're looking at Lamar,
Josh Burrow, Jayden and Jalen hurts. People are talking about
Patrick Mahomes in that group, at least not right now.

(34:00):
I think this is the year he gets back to that. Now.
You know, I don't know that he's QB one, but
I think he certainly gets back in the top five,
maybe even the top three. The Chiefs seem very adamant
that they want to be more vertical offensively. Travis Kelcey
can say that, you know, being an entertainer sort of
distracted him from football. I want to say that father

(34:21):
time is coming up and maybe tapping him on the
shoulder a little bit. And I think the Chiefs see
that and realize they can't necessarily succeed on one hundred
and fifty targets, you know, at seven or eight yards
downfield to Travis kelce They've got to be better than that.
So I think you're gonna see that this year. You know,
some of it is keeping Marquise Brown healthy, it's expanding

(34:42):
Xavier Worthies role, it's figuring out what in the hell
is going on with Rashi Rice, like all these things
we are factor into that. The other part of this
is though, yeah, Mahomes doesn't run the way Lamar or
Jaden runs, but he runs just enough to break your heart. Right,
he's got sneaky rushing, leaky rushing ability. Right, Uh, he
will run. I mean you know, we all we've all

(35:03):
seen it, right Patrick Wullins, it's third and eight, he
runs for ten. Yeah, you know, first down. Oh oh,
we've seen it very very where Marcus was going waiting
for you to yeah, like we've all seen it. So
I think this is the year he sort of gets
back into that elite top tier of guys. And right now,

(35:24):
this is probably the cheapest Mahomes has been in a
really really long time. I've been taking advantage of that word.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
I was hoping he would be cheap because remember, like
after last season, there was a lot of like, Mahomes
is not a QB one anymore, Like yeah, and now
he's for right, A lot of people were saying it,
and I was like, but you're going to be strapped
to a guy that is a household name.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
You're gonna be looking at your roster every Sunday like
why aren't you playing to your name value? Like that's
literally what you're going to be strategied.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Hit a point last year where I played Genal Smith
over him.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Like that looks crazy. You were writing articles sitting Patrick
Mahomes like, it got pretty ugly.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
But I thought because of that we'd have a like
I do.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
I do think he's a fair value.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
Where he's going QB six, you get a gap between
him and the top five. I just was hoping it
would be even bigger.

Speaker 1 (36:13):
Yeah. No, I still think there's still a little bit
of that again, the muscle memory, right, Like people say
they're like, Okay, I can't really take him in the
third round like I used to, but he gets the sixth,
seventh round. Everybody's like, dude's still Patrick. You can sell
yourself so easily. It's still Patrick maho.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Like the whole football watching world admits that he is
the best quarterback in the world, but then in fantasy.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
We're like, all right, chill out again. This also goes
back to my rant that I've done past seasons where
it should not be a strategic disadvantage to take the
best player at the most difficult position in all of sports. Right,
it's not. It shouldn't be that way, but we've made
it because of scoring. In roster construction, were like, if

(36:55):
you take Patrick Mahomes earlier, if you take whatever Josh
Allen Early, it's like, like that doesn't make sense. You
could take the best wide receiver at the number one pick,
you could take the best running back to the number
one pick, but you take the best quarterback then, and
it's just like, bro, are you okay because your first draft.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
The thing is what Mahomes is like if he throws
up two hundred yards in a game, but he wins
that game in a fashion where it's like only a
great quarterback can do that, that plays into his name value.
That's why we're painting this picture for us. On Sundays
when I look, he's like, oh, he won this game
and it's twelve points.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Oh, this sucks. Yeah he won. Yeah, he's the greatest
to ever do it, but this sucks to even hit.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
A point last year where we were sick of him
winning that the way he was doing enough of.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
This sucking fantasy. There was a lot of Jesse Pinkman,
he can't.

Speaker 2 (37:41):
We were just over Mahomes.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
Like it's like, how you know, if Isaiah likely had
a half half shoe sized smiler, you know that story
would have been so if he was like, you know,
if if his foot was like a size eleven instead
eleven and a half or.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
Whatever, Kevin Duranton like it would.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
Have been touchdown and Chiefs lost. Anyway, that's.

Speaker 2 (38:08):
You got who's your Calvin Ridley, because I mean it's
a yearly thing.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
I love Calvin Ridley.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I think he's a really good wide receiver, and I
think cam Ward is the quarterback to get the most
out of him because he's got that strong arm. I
like that they're not forcing him to be the X
or letting him still play the why because I think
that's where he's most comfortable. But yeah, I just expect
a tall like the Titans are gonna be getting their
doors blown off most weeks because their defense is just
not very good, so they're gonna be in ketchup mode

(38:36):
and cam Ward is going to lock in on Calvin.
Like Calvin Ridley was a wide receiver three last year
with Will Levis and Mason Rudolph, you pay wide receiver
three price to get him this year. I think cam
Warden is.

Speaker 1 (38:45):
A god strapper rocket to his back because I am
a Calvin Ridley. Like the yards touchdowns they're gonna go
up because cam Ward is gonna target him deep downfield.
And this is where You're gonna be able to get
those chunk plays at the chunk plays. And the thing
is there's not much competition in that why. I mean
like these last two weeks has kind of been met,
you know, Tyler Lockett. I mean like I manner making
a great play, but like that's about it. But the

(39:08):
gap between Calvin Ridley and the rest, He's going to
be hyper focused. Like I'm looking at one hundred and
forty targets for Calvin Ridley, Like that's how crazy. I
think the gap is going to be between him and
the other wide receivers in target share. Yeah, I don't.
I don't doubt that. And I even say this is
somebody who I've been on Io manor like all off season.
Like I also would admit though, like he's a late
round like he's a swing with upside sort of guy. Right,

(39:30):
Like I'm not drafting him and being like, yep, you're
my wide receiver three. Let's know you're a starting line.

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Tyler Lockett's a real estate agent at this point. Van Jefferson,
Van Jefferson, come on, I will say Tyler Lockett nothing
against him.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
Tyler Lockett going to Nashville makes a lot of sense though,
because like the real estate market and the sun Belt
is popping off right now. That was he was chess
nut checkers. Man. It's also the wide receiver retirement home
team too, so yeah, they're part of the collection, the Ravens,
the Chiefs, like Julio Jones. Man, remember Julio Jones in
the Titans uniform? I remember him in the Eagles uniform. Yeah,

(40:09):
I remember the jump scare that that social media had
collectively everybody like, oh, that's rights for me.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
That's like Tory Holet like with the Patriots and Jaguars,
I mean, like when did that happen?

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Like that was really disgusting. Yeah, Jerry Rice and the Broncos.
Jersey just raised Jersey raised Jersey. Elija in a Raptor's uniform.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
Patrick in the Magic I could go all down Celtics Jersey.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
That was the discussing. I still think that Mike Piazza
should have gone in the Hall of Fames in Miami. Marlin.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
That happened like in the middle. It wasn't even like.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
He was WI bought far from his dealership. Was pretty really.
Yeah's also all the week that he was a Marlin.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
He tanked an Italian soccer team, like they hate him
in Italy because he bought like a really local team
that people loved and then ran it into the ground.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
It's like the opposite of welcome direction. Welcome, welcome directed.
We're gonna take a break, come back. We will kind
of go over Week two of the preseason some things
we saw, some things that we liked and wrap this
nonsense opposite for more of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.

(41:28):
Week two of the preseason almost in the books, are
still a game on Monday night? Correct? Oh yeah, I
believe the the Commander.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
There was no Sunday night game.

Speaker 1 (41:35):
It's just yeah, let's try j CM watch it's Bengals
and the Commanders. That game coming up tonight. So you can,
you know, one last hit of the preseason for this
week at least until until next week thirty.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Ain't nothing Sunday night football never happened?

Speaker 1 (41:53):
Is that what that game was?

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Like?

Speaker 1 (41:55):
Yeah, it's like, what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (41:58):
I was like, oh, Bill, Sunday night, I'm excited.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
Nope, No, what the Mets do last night? They want
in Williamsport? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. My friends and I
were sort of hoping that the major leaguers would brawl
in Williamsport. That would be awes, that would be hilarious.
Neither here nor there. Some of the things we saw though,
and we to JSN running half his routes from the slot.
You now that you are an official Cooper Cup hater.

(42:24):
Despite all the good things that man did for your team,
you kicked him to the curb and then got mad
at his choices afterwards. You don't go to the ops, bro, Like,
if I break up with you fired, you let the
man with company secrets walk out to the ops. You
let the man out the door. Anyway, js N runs
half of his routes from the slot. Is there? What

(42:45):
does this mean? I guess? Like, is he gonna push
Cup out of the slot? Is this just they're just
testing things out? Like I'm trying to figure ot what
this means.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Boom, Like, we don't want him playing half and half
out of the slot. We want him exclusively in the slot.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
That's like a Cup, but it's not because we're accommodating
for Cooper Cub who's not gonna be able to win
on the outside as often as he used to. So
I think you're gonna be cutting Jasn and half in production.
Like my expectations for him is like he's gonna be
on a run heavy offense and gonna be getting split
between out wide in the slot where we've seen him
exclusively playing the slot where we honestly want him to

(43:17):
play in a slot because that's where we got the
most fantasy production. So now this is gonna be a
weird year for Jasn.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Like I'm just totally just off the boat, Like my
expectations have come all the way down for him.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
I know a lot of people are like, I haven't
drafted much of him just because you know, I don't know.
Maybe he can win on the outside. I don't know.
I think he could harder. Yeah, but it's like heres it.
I don't want to. I don't want to find out
at the price I have to pay exactly, and you're
gonna pay a pretty penny. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
The one thing that I was talking with Scott Engel
obviously huge Seahawks fan, and he was as a Patriots fans,
a Patriots fan. Uh. He was saying he expects to
what the Rams do, like two slot receivers and just
like use Cup and Jasn in the slot.

Speaker 1 (44:01):
It's not ideal like that.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
But yeah, I have dayson closer to water receiver twenty
than twelve, so I'm not gonna get him many time.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
Yeah, I just like I said, I think he can
do it, but you got to kind of pay a
premium to find out. I'm not really willing to do that.
Sometimes I can look at the rundown and figure out
who wrote what sentence Travion Henderson now calls the moon home.
Would you like to take a victory lap?

Speaker 2 (44:24):
Sir, No, no, because he hasn't officially done anything officially.
I don't like this, Like I'm happy that everyone I
actually got a little In my tweeted on Saturday, I
was like, well, now everyone loves trav right.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
But it's going to cost like a third fourth round pick. Now.

Speaker 2 (44:42):
I loved getting him in the seventh round a month ago,
so uh yeah, I love Travion. I'm going to continue
to draft him. I think now is a more realistic price,
but a month ago felt way better.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
Oh my god, Yes, it's I mean the closer you
have two week one, like you're late August drafts, Like
it gets dangerous for this because, like I look at
all my old teams.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
In the best Walling.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
I was getting him as my RB four and five
like it was disgusting value and like now being that
they need to put him in bubble rep, I don't
need to see no more preseason action.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
I don't want to see no more camp highlights. Shut
him down. We get it. He is the real deal.
I took him.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
It was a fourteen team league a couple of days ago,
but I took him on the two three swing because.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
I was like, I'm not going to get you, never
going to get him after I took him over James Cook,
which that might be a little spicy for some, but
I do think. But the crazy thing is Hampton is
still going off the board before him I took.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
I've always had him ahead of Hampton, so I took him.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
I see the fantasy streets are starting to wake up
and listen because, like I mean, obviously, Trayvon Henderson's hero
right here. But I was like, look, I'm standing on business.
I got him over Hampton, and everybody just went bonkers
when I said that two three weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
So in sort of handicapping this Henderson Hampton battle, right, yeah,
let me ask you. Let me ask it like this,
who would you rather have Najie Harris or Ramandre Stevenson.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
Nausey well, if if nause is healthy.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
If he's okay, I mean assuming yes, assuming health right,
nause or remindre I I would rather nausey right, which
means you probably want Henderson over Henderson because Stevenson is
not going to be the threat. He's not, like I
look at Henderson where he's going to be on the
field at least sixty percent of the time, because he's
going to be the juice and function of this Patriots offense.

(46:26):
Like we're still banking on digs.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
Kyle Williams is banged up right now, so we have
to figure out who's going to step in and vacate
those targets in his role. But Henderson looks like the
obvious second target of this offense in terms of touches period.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
The reason I was.

Speaker 2 (46:39):
Henderson over Hampton even in the NFL draft was because
I was like, this is not a guy like to me,
Hampton needs twenty touches a week to live up to
his upside. Yes, Henderson doesn't because he is such the
ball times. If you can give him the ball twenty
times and you'll get great results. But if you want
to bring in two and limited to fifteen, he could

(47:02):
still give you.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Really, look at Bucky Irvin's usage, look at James Cook's usage.
Like if we get just that but maybe a little
bit more out of the passing game from Henderson, Oh
my god, oh my god.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
In fantasy and it should not be like speed is
a huge, huge factor in turning ten yards into fifty yards, you.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Know, like that J Harvey, Ladies and gentlemen, I had
to sneak we get it too much. Love to Henderson.
We got to remember our J Harvey. What's up with
all these the h backs? Henderson, Hey Hampton, it for
h backs, Hbasa, it was there, It was there. I
just had Isaah. But Checko looked like himself again. I

(47:41):
did catch a few few plays of it, and I
saw him stomping out, stomping out in the ground. Feel
bad for that grass and assume man violent right, he
had one touch.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
He reached seventeen miles per hour. He did that three
times in all the games he played. Came back line,
he's he's healthy again. He's back, which I feel because
he's another guy who's sort of being under drafted. Yeah,
I think hugely. He's paying because he tried to play
through the injury.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Lash. Yeah, but I did see him big jersey. Also
another jersey runing like running like Roy can't, Like he
was angry with the grass just for real, who's that
Roy can't Ted? No, I'm only on like episode one.
You love soccer? I know I started, but I don't
have time.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Man, I'm up to the point where it's the player
I guess might have messed with the coach or the
player's wife, the coach or whatever.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Like it's the first couple. Oh yeah, you're got to
show your whole family. You can watch the kids, watch
with everybody. Yeah, it's fun. Ro Kid's great Harble. What's
his name, Jason? Jason? Yes, Yes, they're bringing it back
to which I don't really know that. Wait, they're bringing
Horrible Bosses back. No, I was like another, I love

(48:56):
that movie anyway, Ashton Gentz he looked great, asked Diamado
Leonor who got trucked by Ashton?

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Ji, my gosh, look the first game he only had
negative one yards.

Speaker 1 (49:10):
Oh my, so I don't know. He might be terrible. Yeah.
I My concern with Jenz remains the same and basically that, like,
how good is the Raider offense going to be? Like
how many goal line opportunities is he going to get?
You know, how do they use him out of the backfield?
Does he get games scripted out? When the Raiders are
inevitably playing from behind and Gino Smith's got to throw

(49:33):
the ball twenty times in the second half. That's my fear.
Has nothing to do with him as a player and
everything to do just with the Raiders offense. But yeah,
he looked great. He looked great running the ball this
weekend as advertised.

Speaker 3 (49:45):
I mean, honestly, the angry runners up there getting made
over there, Kyle because god Man, as advertised, I would
say again, because I don't think this is surprising to
see him run somebody over, Like we've seen enough of
it out of his college tapes. But at the end
of the day, I think he just he's going to
be the function of this Raiders offense, and I think
the offense is going to be very under the radar,

(50:06):
and like Gino over there, he's fitting right in over
there in Nevada, being with the Raiders culture. You know,
that guy holding up the sign and he coming back
with the Birds, you know, So I think the energy
over there, it's high, and I think that Ashton Genty
is going to be the actual motor.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
Yes, I do it, And that's why I'm a little
worried about Rock.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Like I know we could jump ahead, let's let's get there.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
He was used in a really weird way, like Michael
Mayer was playing over him. I don't worry about that
translating into the regular season, although I do think a
concern is like what if brock Powers gets pulled on
running downs because I think Pete Carroll is going to
run the ball a Ton Schip Kelly. They're going to run.
And the thing that worries me, and you guys can

(50:48):
speak on this better than me. You had him in
your division for like two decades. Pete Carroll more than
anything loves to just muck up games and keep them
go scoring and control the clock. And like to me,
I think he's gonna just try to get Ashon Gent
thirty touches a game because then he knows they have
control of the clock to the very end. Like I
don't expect a lot of like high flying numbers.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
From this Raiders of the ball they are because honestly,
with Chip Kelly, and that Kirkcoxon and Pete Carroll, Like
he could literally just be the identity of this offense
where Brock Bauers, Like we didn't see him lyning about
wide or to slot last week, Like it was just
Michael Maher and him trying to bounceing off of that
twelve personnel. And I think that, you know, that is
a huge concern because if that translates to anything at

(51:33):
any point of the season where Bowers is going where
in the middle of the second round, early second round
in some leagues, Like, that's a pretty penny that people
need to kind of pay attention to, Like the identity
of this offense. It's not gonna be Brock Bowers.

Speaker 1 (51:45):
Only he's not the.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Only one in the circus, Like he's not the only
animal out there. I think the most exotic is Ashton Genty.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Well.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
The other part of this is I like Michael Mayer
coming out of cop Yeah, it's the guy who went
to big school, went to Notre Dame. Is their all
time leading receipt tight end, right, So I mean that's
that's no small thing. And so when they drafted him,
I was like, oh, okay, I'm cool in And then
the very not sure they draft brock Bowers, And I
was like, well, but who's to say that they don't

(52:14):
try to work both guys in. I mean, Chip Kelly
has done that before. He had two tight ends in
Philly when he had Zach Ertz and Brent Selick. Right,
he's figured out a way to try to operate with
both of those guys. That's probably bad news for brock Bowers,
right if they're using him more.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
If you're going to your draft right now, box scoring
of last year sat to Bowers, You're gonna be in
a rude awakening because, like most folks are not looking
at this whole culture, this whole identity of this offense
shifting right in front of our faces. So I do
think like brock Bowers could be a guy that he
should be going where Kittle should be going, like in
that fourth fifth round. I would rather pay that price
because I do think he's gonna have a good season.

(52:54):
I think the touchdowns are going to go up, and
I think we just see him use a little bit
more efficiently in the red zone as well. So it's
like there is opportunity for him to still be like
a top five tight end. I'm just not grounding him
number one right now.

Speaker 2 (53:07):
The Raiders last year were tenth in past percentage plays,
and that's largely because they were like I don't think
they're going to be top ten or any close to
this year.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
If they are, that means things would really badly. He
Karra wants the final score to be like twenty to sixteen.
You know, he's not trying to run it up. Speaking
of multiple tight ends, Cole Comet, Colston Lovelin splitting time,
I feel like we haven't talked as much, certainly not
enough about Cole Comet and the role that he had

(53:38):
in that offense. Comet season. I'm not saying it's season,
but I mean, I it does feel like we are
underestimating what they want to do with him because he
was productive. I mean, for what the Bears offense was
last year, he was productive enough, I guess, and I
guess it's weird that we all just sort of act
acted like Colston Lovely is just gonna, like, you know,

(54:00):
kick down the door and punt them aside, and that
was gonna be has not been the case.

Speaker 2 (54:04):
I don't see a world where Cole Comet is very
fantasy relevant, but I very much see one where his
presence prevents Loveland.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
He's in that Tyler Higbee tier. He won't be Fantasy relevant,
but he will be on the field.

Speaker 2 (54:18):
He'll mess up. He'll take much from Loveland where neither
one of them.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
Right, He's not gonna be great, but he's gonna mess
up that dude to day, Yeah exactly.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
But there's really no rush on Loveland, Like there's really
no rush room because cole Comett was very productive in
that chaotic, you know, offense that they had last year.
So I think like we're reports like where we're talking
about cole Comet, like he's not being pushed aside, like
he's still with the ones, Like he's still out there practicing.
He's healthy right now, like he's doing good things in preseason,
like showing that he can operate in this offense under

(54:47):
Ben Johnson. So Loveland, I am saying far away in
redraft like that should be a common He's going.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
Cheap enough now like when he was going top ten
tight end, I was paying that like Titan ten eleven price.

Speaker 1 (54:58):
But now he's.

Speaker 2 (54:59):
Falling and falling where I don't mind grabbing him as
a two. I do not think he can be your
only like you can't be starting him week one, but
never as someone who sat there and watched every second
of thirty eight nothing.

Speaker 1 (55:10):
Last night, Oh geez, I turn it off. I had
to do a show on the game.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
You know, Like, so I was like, I unfortunately have
to watch this.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Oh my, I'm in.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
I was already in on the Bears offense, but I'm
all in on the Bears offense.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Oh yeah, which gets us to the next thing about
Romo Dunesay seeing time in the slot. I've been saying
I think this is a big breakout year for Oduonzay. Same, yeah,
I'm not so what I see, you know, him seeing
time in the slot. I'm not like, oh, they're making
him a slot receiver. What it means to me is
and he's sort of hinted at this from the beginning.
They're just trying to move him all over the past. Yeah,
they're just pieces. They're just trying to play matchups and

(55:49):
get the best possible matchups for these guys. Because I
know Ben Johnson likes o'doonsay and his physicality, his ability
to get down field, his ability to high point the football.
They want all of that. So now it's just the out. Okay,
so how do we make this happen? And so seeing
that he's in the slot sometimes seeing that he's outside,
I think they want to try to put him in motion.
They want to use more play action, Like that's what's

(56:09):
exciting about this Bears offense. They're gonna do a lot
of the things that they haven't done in years past
because they know they've got these movable chess pieces and
they want to get them involved.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Lublin played out wide abate at times, just so he
played it. And then there was a report that came
out over the weekend that was like DJ Moore is seeing.

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Time all over the field in the backfield.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
It was fun. It's like Ben Johnson doesn't know what
to do with him, and I'm like, no, he's trying
to get him the ball in as many they don't
know possible, Like great, you want to give him the
ball to the backfield, you want to put him in
the slot, you want to put him out, do whatever
you need to to just get him the ball ten
times a game and good things will happen.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
Not to mention that doing all this in the preseason
means at least the first couple of weeks teams that
you play, it gotta be like kind of paying attention.
Yeah yeah, Like okay, well, now what where is he
gonna line up? What does this mean? What are they
gonna do? Like you got at least pay it and
like look, maybe a month in the season were like, Okay,
he's not really doing that, but at least you gotta
you gotta think about it.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
The only negative I think from the Bears I now
was Luther Burden was not with the Ones at all
and he played deep into the.

Speaker 1 (57:09):
Rush Dynasty folks to chill out Dynasty.

Speaker 2 (57:12):
But in redraft, I think I think you could he
seems like someone that the person.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Who drafts him won't have the breakout. You say that though,
la Quan like as though he won't have like a
good game, and Dynasty folks are gonna be like, so, yeah,
that's a different that's a different fantasy. They are playing
for a future that the block. They're further up the block,
and I just kind of know they got some craziness
going on over there. Come on more before we get

(57:39):
out of here. Braylan Allen playing eight snaps compared to
Breeze Halls eleven, This is really gonna be a split.
Adam Rank tried to get me back on and he
had me on for a moment. And maybe I'm still
on the Breeze Hall train, but I think he's He's
not a workhorse. It's just not there.

Speaker 2 (57:54):
I I think this freak out, though, could be a
good thing for Breezehall because.

Speaker 1 (57:59):
He's going to go cheaper in drafts.

Speaker 2 (58:01):
And one thing that like, I won't take credit for
having this idea. I saw it on Twitter, but it
was like, yeah, they split reps, but they also did
nothing but run the ball. So like, even with Braylan
Allen having a role, Breece Hall could be like a
fifteen carry, five catch guy per week and we don't
care how the touches come and how they look. So
like you're gonna give me Breeze Hall at a discount, now,

(58:23):
I I could get back in easily.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
All right, all right, I think I think you take
the risks though, because like with Breece Hall, because I
think he's not gonna fall cheap enough to where I
feel okay, like he's not gonna fall outside the top
five rounds. Like I don't think he's gonna be down
there Aaron Jones or the Tony pol.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
If he's in the fifth round, I would think about it.

Speaker 1 (58:45):
I would definitely think about it. But I rather Henderson,
I rather r J. Hart.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
I'd rather have those guys as my RB twos that
can have those spike weeks of the twenty.

Speaker 1 (58:55):
But it's going. Those guys are moving up. But Breece
hasn't looked good as a runner. Yeah they're running the ball,
but he hasn't been productive as the runner. Like when
you hand the ball off there there's a completely different vibe,
feel and look from when Braylen Allen is getting that
ball out of the backfield versus bries Hal where his
vision looks like he was in that accident with not seriously,

(59:18):
I'm just saying, you're going, let's say you're going hero RB. Right,
you take your guy at the top, then you were
going you're pounding, you know, the wide receiver position, the
tight end position. Maybe like fifth round is when you're
that point, Hampton and Henderson are probably gone.

Speaker 3 (59:32):
But even in that realm, I'd rather wait for a
James Connor to have that security that he is the workhorse.
I'd rather wait for a Tony I'm out on haul
just based on He's not going to be cheap enough
where I can justify and feel good every Sunday he's
putting up less than ten Fantasy points because Braylan Allen
has the hot hand right now, you know, Like that's
gonna be like one of my fears, Braylan Allen.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
I like Braylon Allen as a value. I moved him
up in the rankings this week and stuff. The one
thing I will say though, is he gets the the
least valuable touches, like he's getting the second down carry
whereas goal on we haven't really seen yet. I think
Justin Field is going to touch push plenty this year,
but like on all the passing downs, it's going to

(01:00:14):
be brief, which I think, but.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
You got fields, he ain't gonna check it down on
a time like he would rather run out of that pot.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Like the highest checkdown rate in the NFL. Yeah, by
a design of Arthur Schmith, like I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
Think Tanner Engstream is going to bring up.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
But what it feels like they're letting Justin Field play
his type of ball, like they're letting him be him,
Like you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
They're trying to be very vanilla for preseason that's not
an offense.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
I mean with the Jets, where like you've got a
lot of guys you feel great about having them go
deep down field. I mean maybe Garrett Wilson, but beyond that,
Mason Taylor, I guess like he could be.

Speaker 2 (01:00:52):
I think we're just gonna get a lot of short,
quick patch like that's something can also catch.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
But the point is here, like Brayle has looked better
from a front as the workhorse RB one, Like he
has the size, he has the explosives, and he can
also catch just like a Breese Hall. He can't may
run the same type of routes or have that same
type of smoothness and like wiggle. But it's more so
like if I can hand this guy the ball twenty
twenty five times and we are still going to be

(01:01:19):
one of the top rushing attacks in the NFL, then
I'm gonna do that. I'm not gonna throw in Hall
just because.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
Brayl Allen, but Priest Hall has averaged fourteen hundred yards.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
I was like, why would you all of a sudden
just punt cause.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
You're force feeding that type of production when you find
a one to two point that actually works, like we've
seen from Ben Johnson. And we're hoping that this offense
is anywhere near inspired or reflect anywhere from that Detroit
backfield where that one two punch is going to have
to be operated like Dave Montgomery and Gibbs.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
And look at that Breese Hall is the right like
I don't think. I don't think Presaul ain't Gibbs though,
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Nowhere Gibbs.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
I don't think they. I really don't think. I don't
really don't think Breesehall goes away. No, I think expectations
just need to come down. That's all I mean. Unless
Braylen Allen is having a Derek Henry like season, Breeze
Hall is not going away. Is a really good RB two.
That's where he's being priced. He's an RB two. But
bri is Briece speaking of it. H JK. Dobbins did
not play. Was held out with the starters. R J.

(01:02:16):
Harvey looked really good. The thing the thing I don't
like how you sold that. Well, here's the thing, because
the thing I am reading now reports out of Denver
are suggesting that maybe it ends up being a hot
hand situation. That's fine because when R J. Harvey is hot.
How can he not be hot? Just running is the
worst because you're trying to guess which one you're trolling. Man,

(01:02:37):
I am on trusted trust you. I trust him.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
And if I'm sitting here one year from now and
we're looking at me like how did that Sean Payton?

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
Then when your hair has like purple spots in a
weird bet and be like see, you'd have to do
this to yourself. All right, all right, but I'm trusting
the process. Let's put it like that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:58):
I mean, look not to say six ers like trust,
this is like an actual trust the process of like
he's going to get ramped up, like I do think
he has like a Bucky Irvin late you know, usage
like type of Spike season. But I do think at
that point where you're drafting him, he's your RB two
or RB three, and I think that he showed enough
to be just six explosive as a tree Von Henderson

(01:03:20):
that we're all excited about, and him getting the opportunities
on this Broncos offensive line, which they were top five
last season. So in terms of that, there's nothing but
great opportunity for him to be an explosive of an
electric player for you on Fantasy Sundays.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Su I think twenty twenty six is the big R. J.
Harvey year. I think twenty twenty five is fine, that's
when you're gonna have to take him in. I think
second round. I think twenty twenty six is the big year.
Yeah for him who That was a lot show. The
show was This episode was really unhinged and for those
of you who made it to this point, I congratulate you.
We'll be back with you on Wednesday. We will dive

(01:03:54):
into the mid round picks that we like, rounds nine
through twelve. We'll figure out what other news possibly has happened,
and that other ever nonsense we can go up with.
But anyway, that'll do it for this edition of the
NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. They Happy, safe and healthy, do good,
and live well. Enjoyed Monday night pre season football, See
and watch on Wednesday