NFL Draft First Look

Marcas Grant, Michael F. Florio, and LaQuan Jones start the show with the latest NFL news, including the Giant’s new quarterbacks, Stefon Diggs joining the Patriots, and the Bills teaming up with Hallmark on a movie.

Then Grant, Florio, and Jones give you an overview of the major draft prospects and discuss how they might perform as rookies (23:54).

Then the guys continue their best rookie quarterback bracket, as Cam Newton faces off against Robert Griffin III and Jayden Daniels takes on Justin Herbert (54:45). They wrap the show with a discussion of Severance season one (1:00:01 spoiler warning)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (00:02):
Wow, Hey everybody, it's Thursday, March twenty seventh, twenty twenty five.
Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, so you can
buy us some peanuts and cracker jacks. It's me and
your man, nam G Marcus Grant, joined by Michael Florido
and Lakwan Jones. And if you are watching on YouTube, which,

(00:26):
by the way, if you don't know the all these
shows end up on the YouTube, so you can come
watch us there. We are all dressed in baseball gear
because it's opening Day, like it's for real opening day.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
I just learned that the other opening day wasn't the
real opening day. But the game's cow Like what.

Speaker 4 (00:46):
The game's count?

Speaker 2 (00:47):
The Dodgers and Cubs played two games in Japan last week,
and then they both came back to the States and
played a few more exhibition games, and now it's like
really really the season sure, you know, yeah, it's.

Speaker 4 (01:01):
Not confusing or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Feel like if the NFL started with like a Saturday
London game and then we're like, all right, Thursdays look
really like we would still celebrate Thursday as the real kickoff.

Speaker 5 (01:11):
You know.

Speaker 6 (01:11):
Yeah, I think the Hall of Fame game should count
why not. No, absolutely should not count. It absolutely should
not count. No, it shouldn't.

Speaker 4 (01:22):
Although if I if I.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
Could be old man young at Cloud for a moment here,
I still truly believe that Major League opening Day should
be on the first Tuesday in April. It should be
played the day after some college basketball team cuts down
the nets for the national championship, and it should start
in Cincinnati.

Speaker 4 (01:39):
That's just how it should be. That's just me. So
I was, I tell what I was.

Speaker 5 (01:44):
You know, I know what I don't like March opening days.

Speaker 4 (01:48):
March opening Day is weird.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
It's weird, but it is absolutely peak Chicago Cubs to
be zero and two on opening Day. It just is
all right, let's let's move off from next to the
wise Florio, You and I could spend the next half
hour talking about baseball, and Lakwan would be generally lost
in board and most of our audience will probably tune out,
so qual.

Speaker 5 (02:08):
Tune into Severance, so we'll just put it on our Strawberry.

Speaker 3 (02:11):
I can name baseball players many.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
We love that your for the first baseball player you
got excited about was Daryl Strawberry, which is kind of
very un brand for you.

Speaker 4 (02:21):
Absolutely unbrand for you.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
So last show on Tuesday, we had planned to kind of,
you know, start diving into the projected first round of
the NFL Draft and sort of talking about some of
those prospects there, but we got caught up talking about
our bounce back.

Speaker 4 (02:37):
Players and went too long, so we moved that to
today's show.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
We'll also catch you up on our fantasy rookie QB
season's bracket, give you the update there.

Speaker 4 (02:47):
LaQuan is going to be unhappy about it, so look
forward to that.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
But hopefully he'll get a little bit happier when he
gives us his latest severance update. Hopefully, hopefully you and
on the same page, all right, So I look forward
to that at the end of the show. But let's
get started, as we normally do, with some headlines and disclaimer,
a little bit of a peak behind the curtain as
we talk about the New York.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Giants and their quarterback situation.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
They went out and signed Jameis Winston to a two
year deal and signed Russell Wilson to a one year deal.
We had a whole long conversation on Tuesday about Jameis
Winston going to the Giants and what it meant for
Maleak Neighbors what it maybe meant for what they were
going to do in the NFL draft. And before we
could edit the show and get it posted, the Giants

(03:36):
went out and signed Russell Wilson. So we had to,
you know, take that whole Jamis conversation out of the
show from the you know, weird things like that happened.
So now that we've done this and Florida, you you
put on Blue Sky the other day that the you know,
Moleik Neighbors to the Moon basically went from March twenty

(03:57):
first of twenty twenty five to March twenty fifth of
twenty twenty five, not even a full week did it lasts?
So now that we are here, what happens?

Speaker 4 (04:09):
What do now?

Speaker 2 (04:10):
As Charlie Kelly would say about Malik Neighbors, what are
we doing?

Speaker 1 (04:16):
I look, obviously Malik Neighbors. The ultimate ceiling is with
Jameis Winston. But everyone knows that, and we were talking
about it. Is he a top three wide receiver? Is
he going to be a top three pick off the board?
He is not going to be that now if Russell
Wilson is the starter. But it's kind of it's the
flip side of like the argument that we made with

(04:37):
Garrett Wilson, where I was saying, like, I feel like
we were overvaluing him and now people are souring on him.
But to me, it feels like he's being appropriately valued.
We were pushing Malik Neighbors up to the ceiling. Now
he's gonna come back down, probably be a late first
round pick something like that.

Speaker 5 (04:54):
But I mean, look, you saw what he did last
year with the quartet of quarterbacks he had.

Speaker 1 (04:58):
Russell Wilson is is what he is at this point,
but he is certainly an upgrade to that quarterback room,
and specifically he has a big upgrade on throws ten
or plus more air yards, which is huge because, as
someone who watched a lot of Mylik Neighbors last year,
it was like, Yo, there's guys getting open every time,
but his quarterbacks can't hit him more than ten yards

(05:20):
down the field, like, so all of his targets were
short and stuff, and we know he could win downfield
and everything. So I think this is a huge thing.
And I'm still all in on Elak Neighbors, but I
just think you get a little bit of a discount there,
and real quick shout out to Russell Wilson for not
wasting any time.

Speaker 5 (05:38):
He was at the Knicks game.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Yesterday, literally autographing footballs and throwing them into the stands
like he is trying to win over New York immediately.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Any I'm not mad at it, right, like you're with
a new fan base. Yeah, in the last couple of
stops have admittedly not been great. So yeah, look read
the room, understand it. Yeah, maybe there's a little bit
of anxiety about you showing up in New York. So
what's the best way to alleviate that. Show up at
a next game? Smile big, toss some gifts to the crowd, Like,

(06:07):
I'm not mad at it at all, and it.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
Needs to pull up with a chop cheese with the
BEV man he'd be so Jim.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
But I mean, lakwan, are we are we certain? Are
we totally sold that Russell Wilson is going to be
the starting quarterback? I mean, this is not This is
not peak Russell Wilson anymore. This is not you know,
Seattle Seahawks get to the playoffs, you know, be a.

Speaker 4 (06:33):
Super Bowl contender, Russell Wilson anymore.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
This is sort of journeyman. I'm just trying to find
one last you know, He's like he's like in a
heist movie, right, like I need one last big score
before I go into retirement sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (06:45):
Are we sure? Are we guaranteed that he beats out
Jamis in a competition?

Speaker 5 (06:49):
I think so.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
And I think he's on his journey of just like traveling,
and he's just traveling the country. Now he just happens
to be finding work there. That's what it feels like.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Like.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Honestly, I do think like he's he's keeping up in
rhythm of what we always known about him. He'll start
off hot and then by the time November and December
comes around, they will be bad, and Russell Wilson he
just falls off a cliff in production. I will be
happy to see Jameis Winston in November, and I'll be
happy to get Molak neighbors where he's going to be
falling into the late first round. And then when it's

(07:20):
late in the fantasy playoff season, oh my god, we
are in We're cooking with hot fire right now. If
Winston ends up getting back in the saddle, and I
honestly think that's what's gonna be because New York it's
a pressure market. Like everybody talks about how hard it
is to play in Philly.

Speaker 4 (07:36):
No New York.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
You got the spotlight on you. If you're not bawling,
you're gonna hear about it. And honestly, I think Malik Neighbors,
you know, to start off his career with Daniel Jones,
Tommy DeVito, Tim Boyle's.

Speaker 5 (07:47):
Of the world.

Speaker 3 (07:48):
It just it's crazy to think that, you know, he'll
be copeesthetic, he'll be cool, calm and collected. No, I
would be frustrated if I'm Neighbors, if Russell Wilson isn't
playing top tier football with multiple weapons. Now that I
think they're gonna add in the in the draft, and
you know, I got Travis Hunter getting projected there. I
would love to see that trio, and I think that
will actually help Russell. But ultimately I think he'll be

(08:11):
a starter, and I think Winston would just have to
wait forer his moment like he does every single time,
and he signed to a team.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
I'm looking at Russell Wilson's numbers over the last four years, right,
that's the last year in Seattle, the two years in Denver,
and then last year in Pittsburgh. He has averaged twenty
one touchdowns. Yeah, averaged twenty one touchdowns. He is not
great on average, has just barely cracked three thousand passing
yards for the season.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
And what was it like twenty twenty In his last time,
he had like thirty touchdowns, Like dad was a decent year,
Like we were honestly like, okay, that's an okay year
for us.

Speaker 4 (08:46):
He had he had forty touchdowns that year, And.

Speaker 5 (08:49):
It's like, whoa what happened? He fell up a cliff.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
His career has nosedive, like like I don't know if
we've ever seen, you know, and at least in a
long time.

Speaker 5 (08:58):
It's been a while. It's been a.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Little bit of a little bit also because he has
nosedived but has continued to get starting jobs. I think
we've seen quarterbacks sort of nose dive, but their career
art tends to be that they are backups, right. They
tend to just you know, I'll get a job. I'm
gonna sign for kind of a minimum. I'm going to

(09:20):
be the backup. If somebody gets hurt, then I get
to get in and play. I can't think of a
time we've seen a guy fall off a cliff like
this and then continue to get looks from other teams.

Speaker 5 (09:32):
He went from a Hall of Fame contender to a
journeyman overnight.

Speaker 3 (09:36):
But do you know what it is? It's the moon ball.
Everybody loves it, and he's pretty good at it. I
mean last season of like twenty plus aar yards, he
was second in completions behind Sam Darnold. So he's conservative
with the ball when he's gone that deep and he's
making the plays. So it's like, I think that's what's
still getting him work.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Here here's a crazy stat. Two quarterbacks have won a
playoff game in MetLife Stadiumli Manning and Russell Wilson.

Speaker 7 (10:01):
He's undefeated at MetLife man four. No, baby, that's wild. Yeah,
I just want to Yeah, you're right about the moon ball.
What happens when the moon ball is gone?

Speaker 2 (10:13):
You know it doesn't It doesn't last forever, right, I
mean remember the last year or two of Peyton Manning
where it was a struggle watching him. Remember the last
year or so of Drew Brees and Ben Roethlisberger when
those guys struggled to push the ball downfield and it
was painful to watch.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
This feels like his last chance to me, like if
he doesn't, oh you will hear he's a backup next year? Absolutely? Yeah,
you know what he's starting, Sierra.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
He's got that aura around him that he's still a
big superstar. You know.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Oh man, I never thought we were gonna get to that.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
He's got the oura like you see Rose markuse You
remember he was walking around Radio Row with his entourage
and stuff like he he looks the part, not on
the fields, but off the Wow.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
All right, So that being said, are we all sold
that the Giants are not spinning a high pick on
a quarterback already now officially out of the Shudoor Sanders market.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
I don't get this line of thinking at all. To
be honest, I think they're in.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
I honestly think they'll do the impossible where we think
they're not going to do it, and they'll do it.
Like honestly, you got to look for the future. I mean,
russ ain't the future and Winston in the future. Those
contracts ain't last in the past, you know, two seasons,
so it's like, get the future now.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
I guess I would feel more confident in that idea
if they hadn't signed both guys. Right, if they had
signed either Jamis or Russ, then I could say, all right,
well now you draft Shaduur and he competes this year
and worst case scenario, he's your guy next year.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Ain he's sitting Shadoor in New York. Man.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
I think I think they signed Winston to be like
our cover the bases guy, Like, all right, if we
if Sanders isn't, if he goes at two, we have
someone that we can trust. And then John Merrick came
out and was like, I don't like this move at all,
and they were like, all right, well, now we need
to cover our bases again.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
Winston is permanently our.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Backup, so we're gonna get Russ here, and and if
Sanders is there at three, we have three quarterbacks we
feel comfortable with, and if not, we don't need to
panic because we have someone that we think the coaching
staff could win with.

Speaker 5 (12:26):
The Other thing is like, look at these contracts. The
two quarterbacks combined are making a half a million more
pre incentives than Daniel Jones is getting from the Colts. Yes,
they're making almost like a quarter of what Daniel Jones
alone was making last year. Like there's not a lot
of investment here. It's a one year thing. So to me,
I read this as like they're covering their bases.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Maybe they don't like Sanders or something, but I think
if he's there at three and he's their guy, they're
still taking him.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (12:54):
Maybe it's just I mean, you know, we'd spent.

Speaker 2 (12:58):
All that show last show talking about Jamis and then
like in the afternoon we get the text from the
quand it's like, what are the Giants doing? Which immediately
sent me to the internet, like, wait, what the hell
just happened?

Speaker 3 (13:10):
As I was cutting up strawberries by the way, Oh,
of course, a couple of darrels.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I'm trying to trying to wrap my head around this
whole thing right now, I await any further decisions by
by the New York Giants. A little further north, the New
England Patriots now have a wide receiver to go with
their quarterback. They signed Stefan Diggs to a three year,
sixty nine million dollars max deal. Now it's he's not

(13:35):
guaranteed to get all that money, but could potentially, with incentives,
make up to sixty nine million dollars.

Speaker 4 (13:42):
Lakwan, I saw you post the other day.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Was it yesterday or today that his fantasy streets are
saying Stefan Diggs is washed. Yeah, Now here's thing. I'm
not saying he's washed. I'm just asking could he be washed?
He played well the start of last year, but then
it also got hurt you about midway through the season
of you know, he's getting older, he's in a new place.

(14:07):
He's a guy who has been very temperamental in his career.
That's I think putting it mildly. Yeah, I'm not saying
he is.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
Washed, but that risk is still it's still out there, right.

Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah, it's still out there. But he dealt with that
last year of all those things, like we already knew
the diva aura and he was going to a new
place that he had to figure out and he had
to play nice with others. It's kind of similar to
this side as well too. But it's just that now
he has that injury you have to worry about, and
it's the post acl thing that I know a lot
of people are gonna be a little bit hesitant to
take him in draft. But it's more so looking like

(14:43):
this is still Stefan Diggs. They still have a team
of wide receiver fours and fives, like he is the
best weapon in the building. So they're gonna feed him
and they're gonna have to and you have a quarterback
that can do so there's so much upside with Drake
may and this Dick's connection. Like I feel as though,
like if you're gonna pass on Digs, pass on him
for a good reason. Pass on him because you already

(15:04):
have your wide receivers set up in those drafts wherever
he's gonna go, because he's wide receiver fifty seven right
now as of today on underdogs. So it's like one
of those things like if he's that cheap, I'm gonna
take him absolutely. So I feel as though like people
were pointing to him being washed because he wasn't the
Stefan Diggs that we were so used to in Buffalo,
the big highlight reels, the big numbers, and like the

(15:27):
analytical folks I said it in my video yesterday today,
whatever it was posted, but more so of like his
yards per route run, they go to efficiency in his productivity.
The dude still had a seventy three percent catch right reliable.
He's still able to put up one thousand yards if
he was still on pace. He was wide receiver eight
in those first eight games, So to me, he could
still ball. It's just a matter of how he's gonna

(15:47):
fit in this Patriots offense, which most likely would be
run heavy, and is he going to be healthy enough
to stay on the field.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
I think it's cute that you think he has to
play nice in New England. I mean, look at that
wide receiver room. Who go check me? Who?

Speaker 4 (16:00):
Like, who's a step to him in that wide receiver room? Right?

Speaker 5 (16:03):
Like?

Speaker 2 (16:04):
Who's better than him? Even even a diminished Stephan Diggs Tomorrow?
I mean tomorrow, Douglas's a nice piece. I'd still take.
I'd still take Stephan Diggs over him.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
Josh Allen's last two number ones are playing both on
the Patriots now crazy?

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Yeah right?

Speaker 2 (16:19):
I mean Jalen Polk, Javon Baker, Kayshawn Booty, Like, who
who really has the same stature as as Stefan Diggs.
This is not the Bill Belichick, do your job, Patriots.
It's not even the you.

Speaker 4 (16:34):
Know, uh Gerd Mayo.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
You know I'm gonna basically bash my tea publicly sort
of Patriots.

Speaker 5 (16:42):
Fuck.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
It's it's you.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Know, I guess Mike Vrabel can run a tight ship.
We'll see how how is Stephan Diggs gets along with
Josh McDaniels, for instance.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
You know, I mean, I think that part remains to
be seen.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
What also remains to be seen is so I'm Floriam,
I'm gonna I'm gonna put words in your mouth here.
Your quarterback rankings now are going to be Josh, Josh Allen,
Lamar Jackson, Jaden Daniels, Drake May.

Speaker 5 (17:07):
Right.

Speaker 4 (17:07):
Is that how it goes now?

Speaker 5 (17:08):
Pretty much? No, I still am excited for it.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
I think I'm probably the most excited of anyone in
fantasy space for Drake May. But I think this obviously
helps him a lot, because, like Lakwam was saying, I
still think Diggs is a.

Speaker 5 (17:24):
Very reliable chain mover.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Last year he was averaging his highest separation score or
tied his highest separation score in the next gen SATSA.

Speaker 5 (17:32):
So that's really great to see. But his air yards
per target was a career low.

Speaker 1 (17:38):
And that was already the big knock on him when
his final year in Buffalo was like he lost that
second gear, he lost that that downfield capability. So and
that's pre acl I don't think he's going to have
that back in his game at all. I think he
is going to be more. I think he'll play on
the slot more than probably ever. I think he'll be
a possession guy, a chain mover, some one that can

(18:00):
rack up PPR points. But I still think Look, I
like Matt Collins as a deep threat, but I still
think the Patriots need more speed, and they need more
out wide speed, which is why I'm still trying to
wish cast Travis Hunter there at four because I think
that would be the ideal fit. Because he's not gonna
play every snap as a wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
You have someone reliable in digs.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
That can when he comes back, that could con man
the load when Hunter's not out there. But when you
put Hunter out there, he put digs in the slot.
Then Hunter becomes your out wide downfield threat. Like now
we're cooking with fire, I think if you're Drake maying
the Patriots, but he's he got a lot more help
this week, but he's he's not finished yet, right Like
I still think the Patriots need to add at least
one more wide receiver in the draft.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
I did get a text from a good friend of
mine late last night and I'll just ready to see you.
Not saying it's gonna happen, but if Diggs puts up
numbers and in two years we're talking about maybeing a
top five QB, we might owe him an apology. Not
Floria because Floria always believe, but maybe a lot of
other people.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
That's what Diggs does. He just goes and makes quarterbacks
top five. He had the opposite effect on CJ.

Speaker 4 (19:06):
Stroud though, h yeah, well that wasn't always.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
That wasn't at because you know, his job isn't to
pick up blitzing.

Speaker 3 (19:13):
Apparently the offensive lineman they shipped away had a personality issue.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
As in like, yeah, that's why they were bad junction.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
Okay, this is me just reading the comments.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
I'm sorry, okay, And.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Look, shout out Digs because I thought he calls himself
a ton of money and apparently he's gonna make more
money now with this deal than he would have if
he stayed with the Bills, So so shout out to him. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (19:36):
I know a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (19:37):
I know a lot of people staying they overpaid for Diggs,
and maybe they did, but I think if you're the
Patriots one, you have a lot of cap space so
you can afford it. But but also you kind of
were gonna have to overpay for somebody like you.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
You know, maybe you do draft him by maybe.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
In a desirable place to go right.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Maybe the draft, maybe they draft Travis Hunter. I don't know,
Maybe they draft another wide receiver and try to build
from there, but you know his they have not been
great at drafting that position. You want to bring in talent,
you are probably gonna have to overpay for somebody. I
just think that's that's the reality of it for them
staying in the AFC East and maybe off the field

(20:13):
a little bit more. Tell us this morning the Bills
teaming up with Hallmark to produce a Christmas movie. Last
year around this time where we were talking about the
Chiefs and their Hallmark.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
Movie, and you know, I.

Speaker 2 (20:32):
Can't say I've ever watched a I've watched a couple
of Hallmark Christmas films.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
I take that back. They are exactly what you think
they would be.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
So I look forward to the Bills being in this
film titled Holiday Touchdown, a Bill's love story.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Is it just Josh Allen's wedding.

Speaker 4 (20:52):
I'm just wondering.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
Yeah, Floyd like do Josh Allen and Hailey Steinfeld do
they make an appearance in this thing? I mean, you
have Hollywood start them here, like you got to involve
them some kind of way.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
I think they'll be in it.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
I think because there's a lot of talk about like
Josh Allen doing stuff post career, about maybe an entertainment
or acting or whatever.

Speaker 5 (21:14):
So I think this might be his.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Like it'll be a small cameo, like they'll be walking
into the building or something like that. But I would
not be surprised at all. And I've seen a lot
of Hallmark Christmas movies. My Nicolette's mom watches them year round,
so I've seen a good amount of them, and Uh,
this one is by far going to be the best.

Speaker 2 (21:34):
I bet this is already He's already stated that planted that,
Uh you know what, we will we will buy it
for you on DVD whenever it comes out so you
can have it.

Speaker 5 (21:46):
Oh God, it's gonna be awful.

Speaker 4 (21:48):
How many folding tables are going to be sacrificed?

Speaker 2 (21:50):
If a craft services table, you're gonna have Bill's Mafia
run in and just like Dive on the craft services table.

Speaker 3 (21:56):
One has to be on fire.

Speaker 5 (21:59):
I think it's too violent for Hallmark movies.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
Fires not violent, No, Like the only fire you see
in Hallmark movies is literally in a fireplace. Like that's it,
Like you don't see there's no wildfires in Hallmark films.

Speaker 4 (22:14):
Like, you know, I can tell you already what's gonna be. Though,
it's gonna be. You know, a.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Correct, busy career woman who lives her life in Manhattan
comes home to Western New York and finds love again,
probably at high Mark Stadium with you know, somebody that
she knew back in high school. And you know, maybe
Josh and Haley show up, you know, at a coffee
shop and he facilitated conversation. No, just they're all the same.

(22:45):
Like it's just it's like schmulti movie mad libs, right,
Like you just fill in the blanks and they're all
they're all pretty similar.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
So the Bills are doing everything they can to roll
out this new stadium though, right, Like they really are.
That's what the theory on Bill's Twitter is, this is
the year they're gonna win the Super Bowl, that the
scriptwriters are finally gonna let them get.

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Their writers, all right.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
I did not I did not know the NFL scriptwriters
moonlighted for Hallmark or Vice versa.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Knew have no idea about that.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
So I look forward to at some point, you know,
maybe in the future, if we're still doing this in
a couple of years, we can add this to like
a film festival. We watched this movie God and Yeah
Compare and contrasted with the Chief Swigs. We should watch
that one too, at some points we could talk about it.
One thing we will sure be watching in the very
near future is the NFL Draft, the first round coming

(23:37):
up in just a few weeks. So we're gonna come
back take a look at some of the names that
we are all expecting to go off the board in
the first round and maybe what their outlooks can be
where we'd like to see them go. And that's the
sort of things stick around for that coming up on
the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So diving into the kind
of expected potential first round picks that have fantasy relevance.

(24:01):
I went to Mock Draft NFL mock Draft database and
looked at their consensus big board and sort of, you know,
extrapolated from there some guys who potentially could land in
the first round. I want to start with a guy
I'm listing him as athletes, right, And that's Travis Hunter.

(24:22):
The debate has been and will continue to be should
he play wide receiver? Should he play corner? Should he
dabble in a little bit of both? You know, we
will find out the answer to that one when he's
drafted and when the team sort of shows up on
the field for real and we see how he is used.
But Florida, you talked about him maybe getting drafted by

(24:43):
the Patriots at four. I do think that is a
very realistic possibility, and you talked about him maybe lining
up out wide on occasion. He's an incredibly talented player.
He is not a big man. My concern is how
does he deal with press coverage?

Speaker 4 (25:02):
Is his speed? Is his athleticism enough?

Speaker 2 (25:05):
Is he a guy who can consistently win on the
outside at the NFL level? And more importantly, will he
get enough snaps to be a real impact player in fantasy?

Speaker 4 (25:16):
Right?

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Like, if he's only playing five six snaps a game
at wide receiver.

Speaker 4 (25:20):
He's not a guy that we want in fantasy, is he?

Speaker 5 (25:24):
No?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
But but any team that drafts him please play him
at wide receiver.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
Like I know, I don't scout cornerbacks.

Speaker 1 (25:32):
I'll say that right off the top, but I know
he often gets called the best corner in this draft.

Speaker 5 (25:38):
Champ Bayley comps all of that.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
He is the best wide receiver in this class in
my opinion as well, And I know a lot of
people feel that way and Marcus, it's funny because I
write down stuff as I'm watching them. And my biggest
concern with him was like issues verse press at the
NFL level because he can get pushed around off his
route a little bit and stuff, But like he could
win downfield. He's got elite body control, good hands, he
could win after the catch. I think he is the

(26:03):
only wide receiver from this draft class that would have
been with the big guys from last year's even if
he's behind them, like, I think he's the only one
that could hold his own with that group.

Speaker 5 (26:13):
I just think the upside is so hot. Even if
if you put him to like twenty.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
Thirty thirty snaps maybe at wide receiver or something like that,
my argument would be quarterbacks aside. He should be the
first player non quarterback drafted because he's the Sho Hayo
Towny of football and he brings value that I don't
think is being properly calculated yet.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Yeah, I mean, I just think it's you know, it's
so hard to sort of measure because you know, in
Colorado he was literally playing like one hundred snaps a game.
I mean, he was playing every snap both ways, which
it just feels impossible to do in the NFL.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
One just physically it's impossible to do.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
But the other part of it is learning the playbook
and learning all the responsibilities that come with both being.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
A wide receiver and being a corner. You know.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
I mean, let's let's say he ends up, say in
New England, right, and so that means, you know, a
couple times a year they got to face the Dolphins.
You know, he's gonna have to on one side, he's
gonna have to play wide receiver, and you know, I
mean he's gonna have to try to keep up with
Tyreek Hill and or Jalen Waddle. You know, he's gonna
have to try to you know, I don't maybe line

(27:27):
up against Garrett Wilson a couple of times a year.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
Uh, that feels like a lot a lot, a lot,
a lot a lot. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Wakwan is there like a threshold of snaps he needs
for you to actually consider drafting him. Is it thirty
snaps on on offense? Do you have a I mean,
I'm asking you to kind of come up with this
on the fly. Do you have a kind of a baseline.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Fade huge fade just based on I think he would
be real life, like more impactful of like fandom, Like,
I definitely want to see him play both ways, but
I'm not going to invest the headache of him playing
corner for two games and then wide receiver on week
three and then so on and so on, because I
don't see this consistently happen in every single game. He's

(28:11):
going to play both ways. It's the NFL. You just
named a couple of players he's going to have to
keep up with on the outside, Tyreek Hill, Garrett Wilson,
Like you're gonna have to keep up with like Stefan Diggs.
I mean not Stephan Diggs. Well, Stephan Diggs at practice,
but more so, you're just looking at the players within
his division that he's gonna have to face twice a
year every year. There's no way he's going to play
both ways. It's no way he's going to be an
absolute threat as a wide receiver if he's getting banged

(28:33):
up on the defense making these tackles, because he's still
going to have to go out there and tackle grown men,
like grown veteran men, like men that are in their
thirties probably that are going to be able to just
crush him with one just look at him. So I
look at it as like for fantasy, like I get
the hype, I get the excitement for it, but I
can't put him on my roster and deal with that

(28:55):
headache every single week, especially when you're gonna have to
pay a pretty penny in some of these rookie drafts.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
Game.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
Yeah, I haven't done any I think I'm gonna geinst
you guys on this one.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
The Florials full Sen He's.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
All on in and like I'm not.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
I get the concerns in fantasy, one hundred percent get that, Like,
but I think he's gonna play more than we think,
like one hundred stamps a game in college. He's not
gonna I don't think they're gonna ask him to be
like a physical corner like I think they'll be like
be like soft Gardner shut down the other wide receiver.
And if you can't tackle him, Okay, like someone else will,

(29:29):
like I, I think he'll be that kind of like, yeah,
it'll be frustrating at times. He'll give up some more
yards than you walk because he's probably gonna struggle to
tackle or something like that. But like, I don't know,
I think a team investing this high a pick has
a plan for him. IDP League, sure, I'll draft him, No,
I get it in fantasy. I'm just saying I think

(29:50):
he's going to play more snaps than than do you guys.

Speaker 4 (29:53):
Think I will.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
I will also tell you, lukwan, if he is gonna
be that guy defensively, if he really is gonna be
this shut on the corner, he's.

Speaker 7 (30:01):
Gonna be a terrible IDP pick. Yeah, no, yes, I
and I don't play a ton of it.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
I'm not. I'm not super deepert. There a lot of
people who are way better at this than I am.
I did write an IDP column. I did a little
bit of it for a few years here, and one
of the things I learned quickly is that shut down
corners are terrible IDP players because they don't get opportunities.
You know, you want to hate id you didn't want
You didn't want Pete Darrell Reeves. You wanted the guy
playing across from him. You didn't want Richard Sherman. You

(30:28):
wanted be you know, I guess Neverri because legion a
boom heead corner.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
You wanted the bad meteorca corner. That's going to get
a lot of tackles and.

Speaker 7 (30:35):
Operatity, like that's the guy you wanted, you know. So
it's reversed. Okay, it's a little bit.

Speaker 4 (30:40):
It's a little bit.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
It's a little bit weird that way. Let's get to
the quarterbacks. There are there are two guys for sure
we know are going to go in the first round.
That's cam Ward and should dour Sanders. You know, we
sort of talked about should do a little bit. Is
cam Ward our consensus first quarterback off the board?

Speaker 5 (30:56):
Yes? Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Yeah, Okay, so he for his first one off the board,
and I guess it just becomes a question of is
it is it Tennessee?

Speaker 4 (31:06):
Is it Cleveland? Is it somehow that he falls to
three and the Giants.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
It's it seems like the Titans.

Speaker 4 (31:15):
It seems like the Titans, right, It seems like the Titans.

Speaker 5 (31:18):
With him, and they had a private workout with him.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
Yeah, I mean that could just be that can also
be them doing their due diligence right, and they could
still turn around and take I do a Carter.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
I think your doors pro day is like April Knife,
so like they're not gonna wait this long to go
try to do all this what they're doing with cam Ward. Like,
I think it's a lock at this point that cam
is going to Tennessee.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
They also didn't bring in any other quarterback, which now
you're not going in with just Will Levis.

Speaker 4 (31:46):
No, you're not going into the season with just Will
love us.

Speaker 2 (31:48):
I mean, I would think though, if I'm the Titans,
I at least want to even if I am sold
on cam Ward, I want to at least give the
appearance then I'm I'm still deliberating, right, Like I want
I want some other team that maybe has an interest
in Shadoor Sanders to at least be a little bit nervous.

(32:11):
I want somebody to call me and say, hey, hey,
you know what if we offer you blank, you know,
we just want to make sure we get our guy.

Speaker 4 (32:20):
You know, would you be willing to move down? You know?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Like maybe the Browns call me, Maybe the giants call
me and like say, hey, we want to make sure
we get whatever, and you know, you know how to
accept it, but you can at least put that out there.
Make some people think, makes some people sweat a little bit,
because if you look the Panthers a couple years ago,
we're just like, yeah, bright Young's are dude, that's it,
We're done. And then you know, like it just sort
of want it takes the drama out of it. But

(32:43):
also it makes it easier for the teams behind you
to play like, oh I don't have to I don't
have to worry about putting together assets to make sure
I get my guy.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
I would be like, look, we got our guy, but
if you want them, you got to pay even more
for it. Now, Like that, That's how if I'm the Titans,
That's how I'm handling it.

Speaker 5 (32:58):
You know how they do this.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
They just put Will Levis in another commercial, just put
him out there like, yeah, he's our guy, we believe.
Then people will start picking up the phone like, oh,
these guys are crazy, man. Yeah, let's try to move
up and get him. That's how you do it, man, Yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
We'll see you know, Schaduur obviously is another guy who's
probably gonna be gone within the first three or four picks.
You know, I have a hard time thinking he falls
too far into the first round. But the name that's
sort of interesting here, that kind of up keeps bubbling
up is Jackson Dart.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Because every year there's at least one quarterback that just
makes a rise through the ranks, because the quarterback position
always gets pulled up because teams always need quarterbacks, and
sometimes teams get a little bit antsy and maybe reach
a little bit too far. I mean, we've talked about

(33:52):
Daniel Jones on this show. Right, most of the football
world was shocked to see Daniel Jones get drafted as
highly as he dands or they're like, right, I mean,
everybody was very surprised.

Speaker 4 (34:06):
Look what I'm sitting here.

Speaker 2 (34:07):
I'm just like looking through mock drafts and suggestions and
I'm seeing Jackson Dart going to number twenty six to
the Los Angeles Rams.

Speaker 4 (34:19):
Oh yeah, I'm here for it. Are you here for it?
I mean, yeah, how would you feel about that? I
feel good about it.

Speaker 3 (34:25):
Honestly, I wish this was like how it was like
a couple of months ago when we were all talking
about these prospects and like he wasn't a first round
you know guy that was going. But ever since, you know,
Senior Bowl pro days and combine, like he's kind of
just rose to the occasion to be in the first round.
I'm not mad at that because the Rams don't have
a second round pick. I was actually up for us
trading down, like get out of the twenty six, get

(34:46):
some assets and get in that early second round and
then get Jackson Dart at an appropriate price. But I'm
okay to us pulling the trigger out of twenty six
as well, because we need a quarterback for the future.
We need somebody that is going to be able to
learn with this two to your window with Jimmy Garoppolo
in the building and Matthew Stafford. So it's like you
need to get a guy that's going to be a
project like Jackson Dart because he has some of the

(35:08):
great qualities that you want. You want him to have
a little bit of courage and confidence that he brings.
I like to play him close to like Josh Allen
when you're watching some of his tape, Like he has
that hero ball and he has the ability to get
out the pocket and he ain't afraid to run through you.
So I kind of think McVay has been trying to
get this quarterback, you know, situation under control with his backup.

(35:28):
I would love for him to go at twenty six
to us.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Man, all right, So Jackson darted twenty six potentially to
the Rams. He could be there for the final seven
years of Pooka and Aku's career too.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
They could sort of work together.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Oh man, I don't want to hear that. Man, Pooka's
wild for that.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
I'm just saying what Puka said. I'm not out here
making preditions.

Speaker 3 (35:47):
I'm just well, if Puka wants to retire by thirty,
I'm sure we'll get to the wide receivers soon. I
got an idea for that as well.

Speaker 2 (35:53):
I mean that's some point we all wished we could
have retired by thirty. I mean we've all, we've all,
we've all missed that window.

Speaker 5 (35:58):
It's a it's over a full rookie contract.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
Like I heard that and I just kept moving like
who cares seven years from now?

Speaker 5 (36:05):
Like it doesn't impact us.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
But he could be on a rookie contract for four
years and then you get another contract year out within
three four Like no, I mean, ye that it's true
for him, that would be what nine.

Speaker 5 (36:18):
Years if he played seven more years, Like yeah.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
I guess, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (36:23):
Then Tyreek Hill said he was going to retire two
years ago.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
He's still playing like these guys say stuff, you know,
and also ready to retire in the Dolphin and he
always wanted to leave at the end of the last.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
Season that plays out.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I think the logic for Puka was I think I
think I think he gamed it out so it would
be ten years, right, I think that's what it was
like he was basically he looked at Aaron Donald's career.
He's like ten years, he was able to win a
Super Bowl, he got out without any major injuries. I mean,
I think that was sort of the hope, and like
it's a wonderful thought. It's a wonderful idea. But as

(36:56):
as a really good friend of mine so astutely once said,
life be life in and so sometimes it just doesn't
necessarily work out that way. This is a really deep
running back class. That is the one thing that everyone
has agreed upon. It's a deep, deep running back class.
And I guess you can tell how deep. It is

(37:17):
because there are two names that we're talking about in
the first round, including one potentially in the top ten.

Speaker 5 (37:23):
I mean.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
Ashton Gent potentially going to the Raiders at six. That
is a thing that I have seen and heard repeatedly Florio,
the Raiders did not have a great run blocking offensive line.
Any hope that we had for Zamir White to be
a thing last year was extinguished relatively quickly.

Speaker 4 (37:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Things did not go well for him early in the season.
He got a little bit banged up. They brought an
Alexander Madison who was predictably meh.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
Like I know that we like to believe.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Like I, I bristle at the whole running backs don't
matter thing because I think there are guys who are
really talented enough to sort of make a difference. But
I will concede that I don't care who you are.
If the offensive line is bad, your production is potentially limited.
As much as we get excited for Ashton john T,
will it be a little bit of a buzzkill if.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
He somehow ends up in Las Vegas. I don't think so.
I think the volume would be there, and that's what
we want. Like we were saying it was a buzzkill
for brock Bauers going there last year.

Speaker 4 (38:32):
And right, but that was mostly because of Michael Mayer.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
But yeah, yeah, in the quarterback it was just a
kind of gross situation. I think, to me, all I
want for Gent is a place where he can go
and get three hundred touches, and the.

Speaker 5 (38:47):
Raiders would provide that.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
And I do think Gent is a better receiver than
he gets credit for. Like they didn't throw to him
a ton in college, but when.

Speaker 5 (38:55):
They did, he pretty much.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
He has good hands, he catches what comes his way,
physical runner, tackle breaker, not afraid to run through defenders
and everything. The one caveat with him is he is electric.
I don't think he has the same second gear as
like a Bijon Robinson or Jamir Gibbs, so we might
not get as many of those like long breakaway runs.

(39:18):
But yeah, I think he's going to be awesome And
if he falls to the right spot, he's a top
ten running back, I would say in fantasy drafts this summer.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, No, I mean you're right, I think he's He's
got good speed, not great speed, and so I wouldn't
be surprised if you see him sort of break from
the pack, but then get walks down by a defensive back,
you know, at some point and then right, I mean,
I think that's gonna happen. Like, that's not a knock
on Gentz. Right, that's not to say that that he's
not a good player. I'm lakwan. We did our last

(39:49):
mock draft. He went early second round. Is that going
to be the fantasy asking price for him?

Speaker 3 (39:57):
And might be higher? It depends on the landing spot.
Things will change. I mean, yesterday's price is not gonna
be today's price. And I think all the draft hype
and all the landing spot heighth, I wouldn't be surprised
to see him in that one ten area in the
first round and like that's okay. You know, you get
the guy that you think is going to get the
volumin gent is obviously proven he can handle the workhorse

(40:19):
ability and you know you're you're gonna have to pay
that printy price. But if he goes to the Raiders.
You mentioned it that old line is terrible last season,
and I don't see any moves to fix that old line.
I don't see any moose that's making me feel like, okay,
that old line is gonna be great, so he will
be capped and he's a rookie as well on top
of that, and it's like, you hope that Chip Kelly
and Pete Carroll know, hope they're doing through this draft

(40:39):
and that they build the trenches and they kind of
address the issues that they have. But ash and Gent
is going to produce no matter where he's gonna be at.
But I'm gonna be a little hesitant in that early
second round if it's me on the draft board.

Speaker 2 (40:53):
Yeah, I mean, look, I feel like I'm not gonna
be able to get Gent because he's probably gonna be
on right about the time that would get about drafting him.
I just feel like there's gonna be so much excitement
over him that he's just probably not not gonna be
around a.

Speaker 5 (41:08):
Marion and rookie drafts. He's one oh one. I don't
oh yeah, super flex or not. I don't care, like, no.

Speaker 2 (41:13):
No, no, he's the I think that's already settled case law. Like,
I just don't think there's a discussion. I really don't
think there's any more discussion about it. Like he's the
one oh one, and you know, if you're if you're
a number two, Like just start making your plans because
you're not gonna get him a Marion Hampton, another guy
who goes who's like being mocked kind of later in
the first round, and maybe a little bit different than Jens.

(41:36):
He's definitely more of a you know, a more stout,
more power back, not necessarily a speed guy. Uh you know,
not gonna make a whole lot of moves, not gonna
jug a whole lot of people. He may just tend to,
uh you know, as Marshall Lynch would say, run through
a boom's face, uh sort of thing.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
You know.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
Again, he really feels lakwan like a true landing spot.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Guy, workhorse DNA though, and I think any team that
gets him, they will have to utilize him as such,
Like I don't see him sharing the backfield like I
know Bucky Brooks his mock draft three point zero has
him going to the Bears. You still have Swift there,
so I kind of feel uncomfortable about that unless he's
gonna make Swift obsolete. Like you need to feed this
guy touches like back to back seasons. He's had over

(42:21):
two hundred and sixty touches, like not even Derrick Henry
had that in his last two college years. So you're
looking at a guy that can produce on the ground,
run through you, and he's effective in the passing game
as well. So I'm like, whoever gets this guy, give
him the work, give him the keys to just run
crazy in that backfield because he's a straight producer and
that's all you see from him from tape. Like it doesn't,

(42:42):
it doesn't really like, you know, surprise me if he
lands to a spot like somewhere, I would say, like
New England, Like it will be one of those things
like they want to address the rock, they want to
address the run game as well with Rabel that's their guy.
I don't see ramondre Stevenson going to this season after
coming off of a very very very down career of
efficiency as a yard for carry guys. So it's like

(43:05):
they need a running back back there, and I wouldn't
be surprised if the Patriots end up getting them and
they moved down in that draft for who knows, maybe
they get another first round pick.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Yeah. I saw BUCkies BUCkies mock draft.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
He's got two running backs in the first ten picks,
which I was like, what is this like nineteen ninety seven.

Speaker 4 (43:21):
What's happening. Yeah, going to the Bears.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Gives me a little bit of sad because I am
still sort of waiting for the day when Roshawn Johnson
maybe gets an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Wow, I forgot he was there.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
But you know what's just for the sake of argument, say,
if the Bears do take Hampton at ten, I've that's
sort of rip Rashawn Johnson, Like, you're not.

Speaker 4 (43:50):
Swift a right as well.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
That Hampton reminded me most of was It's not a
perfect coup. But like was David Montgomery and boom go
back with Ben Johnson Like.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Yeah, I said, Todd Gurley because the dude is just
electric's I don't.

Speaker 5 (44:06):
Think he's got Gurley's speed though Gurley was.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Gurley was fast his first couple of years.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Yeah, and then like the knee problems happened, and then
like you know that happens that you know this is
gonna happen. I don't think he's as atlantic as Gurley either. Yeah,
he's a chunk gainer, not a home run hitter. In
my opinion, Gurley was special.

Speaker 4 (44:26):
We get that.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
It's funny you mentioned New England. Lances lines comp for
him is Romindre Stevenson, So.

Speaker 5 (44:33):
I don't know if he's as good as a pass
catcher as Stevenson. No, yeah, Lance knows way more than me.
But that was my takeaway.

Speaker 2 (44:43):
But I will remind you of what I say every year,
because we have not seen a guy do a thing
doesn't mean that he cannot completely agree.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
But on the ones where he like to me, he's
the type of running back where like you set up
screens for and you don't like like Stevenson could run routes.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Yeah right, yeah, Hampton cannot.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:03):
Wide receivers, you know, the consensus has been this is
not the deepest wide receiver class, although there are a
few names we could see go early. I think Ted
McMillan is a guy we're going to see probably in.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
The first ten or twelve picks.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Matthew Golden, another guy coming out of Texas, should be
exciting Ohio State because what's what's an NFL draft without
an Ohio state wide receiver going in the first round.

Speaker 4 (45:22):
So I'm meccha Buca this year.

Speaker 5 (45:24):
But what I want to.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Get to is, because you guys were sort of talking
about this during the break Luther Burden right, like, I
just want you guys, because you guys are on opposite
sides of this, So I mean I will set you up,
lakwan if you want to go first. I just I
just want to hear you guys have a back and
forth on Burden.

Speaker 3 (45:39):
Like I'll lay my case Like his absolute ceiling on
an NFL level has to be Deebo Samuel. But how
many times have we seen this? This, this whole type
of prototype and profile of a player get misused on
the NFL level. So landing spot to me matters a
ton for Luther Burden. I think more so with the
limited routree, Like you're not like when I was watching highlights,

(46:00):
like you're not seeing many different things, like I'm watching
Deebo run the same type of route. His floor could
be Curtis Samuel, which again there's a like a stand
following for Curtis Samuel. But I just see too much
of like the same same stuff, Like there's so many
things that can go wrong with his landing spot to
where he just ends up as a guy like I
just don't feel as high as everybody else is on him.

(46:22):
He is electric. He is a Speecher, he could beat
you downfield. All these things are great, but these qualities
and traits lie with a lot of wide receivers that
are in this draft or in the NFL already.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
So it's funny you said, like you know, he could
be Deebo Samuel's like yeah, and he said he could
be Curtis Samuel and like, I don't know if you
saw my body language, it was like the air slowly
coming out.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Of a balloon, just like it's the floor.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
And again, like I I feel as though like we've
seen this story play out so many ways, Like we
see the Kadarius Tony story. We see him like go
to the Giants, He's obviously the biggest weapon there, Like
he could easily be the biggest weapon at another place,
that of a team and end up being the Cadarius
Tony Tour, except the personality issues and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Openly Gadara Sony's biggest enemy was Kadarius Tony, like that
was his biggest problem.

Speaker 1 (47:08):
Luther Burdon has that in his game, like he threw
a ball at a player's face. I think he threw
a player's mouthpiece, like like he has that that aspect
of the Tony and so we might be on the
same track, but I think Burden is is better than that,
to be honest, Like what I look for when I
watch wide receivers is can you separate? And because if

(47:31):
you can't separate in college, good luck. And there's a
lot of like contested catch wide receivers in this class
that I'm going to be lower on, probably than most,
Like I was lower on Keyon Coleman last year during
the draft process than many, because if you can't separate
in college, I have big concerns if you could separate
at the NFL, and Luther Burden can separate, like he

(47:53):
can separate downfield as well. I think the quarterback play
really held him back in that regard, and because they
couldn't successfully connect downfields, not Burden's fault, but that I
think they started to be like, well, this guy's also
amazing after the catch, Let's use him the way, uh
that Lakwal was talking about. But I think he has
more capability in his game. You put him with a good,

(48:14):
strong armed quarterback. I think this guy could win downfield.
I like most wide receivers in this class, I think
he's a number two in an NFL offense. I think
he could play the flanker. I think he could play
in the slot. I don't necessarily believe he could be
like your true X all the time, but the.

Speaker 5 (48:29):
Skills, the tools are all there.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Man. He's fast, he's got good hands, he's smooth as
can be with the ball in his hands.

Speaker 5 (48:36):
And that to like, I really to me, I wrote
Percy Harvin as the player that he reminds. There you go.

Speaker 4 (48:42):
That's another one. Yeah, interesting, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
I think when you talk about guys in their their
separation in college, I know, you know, for some analysts,
it's not as big of a deal if you can
win in contested catch situations. I mean, look, I look
at a guy like Drake London. He was not a
great separator, although some of it had to do with
the quarterback play he had when he was at SC.
But even now, Drek Lund is not a great separator,

(49:08):
but he's a good contested catch guy.

Speaker 4 (49:09):
He can win in those situations. It also helps to drink.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
London is what six five, right, He's a big dude,
hus a burden six feet even.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
You know, My thinking is always separators can win with
any quarterback. Contested catch guys are very quarterback relying because
not only does the quarterback have to be able to
make those throws, he has to be comfortable enough to
put it in the type window.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
He has to be willing to make those throws.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
Right, So disclaimer, I'm not fully out on Luther Burd.
It just the landing spot has to be perfect, Like
it needs to be a Sean mcvabe mine or even
a Cliff Kingsbury type of mind. Like, it has to
be somebody that's going to be creative of how to
deploy him, because if we just get the same old
store of these speaster guys, the jet sweeps and the
screen like it's great to see on film, but when

(49:52):
they go to the NFL level, they're not always utilized
that way. And we've seen too many stories of the profile.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
But I think Burden's a route runner, like I I
think he's he's capable of more personally he can be,
but we didn't see it, Like but what we said
not that I think we did. Like I like he
was getting opened downfield. They just weren't connecting.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
Yeah, all right, I'm I'm gonna put you on the
spot here, Lakwan.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Let's say Luthor Burden goes to Denver right where he's got.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
No no, Tom, no no, because first of all, Marvin
Mims needs to be unleashed, and we're not gonna get
it because Sean Payton wants to rotate guys. I mean,
I just don't see him being a guy that can
be involved in the play every single down, Like what
is it the rouse participation? Like it's gonna be one
of those things you're like, why is he not being targeted?
Why is he not being utilized? Because the offense wants

(50:41):
to go this way and it's working this way, we'll
pop him every now and again. Like I need a
guy that's gonna be out there every single down, gonna
make an impact and make a difference, Luthor Burden, He
could do that, but depending on land the spot.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
I still think that whenever Marvin Mims puts on the uniform,
somehow he becomes unrecognizable to Sean Payton.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
And then like because then after the games.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Champagn's like, we should get him Involvedore, and it's like
you're the one that's control over that, Like why don't
you just get involved, Wore?

Speaker 5 (51:06):
But what the commanders? But don't you love these contested
catch wide receivers lakwan aren't they also kind of similar in.

Speaker 3 (51:13):
That regard kind of kind of But I like a
guy that's going to be physical at the catch point.
Like even if you have a bad quarterback and it's
a dookie ball, he could still snatch it out of
the air and make the play after the catch, you
know what I mean. Like it's just it's just one
of those things that it's a fence.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
I don't know if he goes to Washington because they
already have Debo. So why would you want why would
you want another one?

Speaker 5 (51:34):
We have Debo?

Speaker 2 (51:36):
I mean, you know, it's not like very Batman skinny
Batman situation in Philly just to be like Debo. And
so would you be like Deebo the third because like
you know, Deebo Samuel Senior, his son is Debo, so
like with that mate, but he's.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
Older than Deebo Junior. I don't know, we'll think about that.

Speaker 3 (51:54):
Well, we have Dayden Reid, he's the the Wisconsin Deebo.

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Darl dry Land, Dieboluther.

Speaker 5 (52:00):
Vernon could be like Jayden Reed. That's a good there
you go, that's good, there you go.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
And Jaden Reid, I hadn't even his absolute ceiling yet,
so I think there's more on the bone for him.

Speaker 4 (52:10):
As well, I guess.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
I mean, but like Jayden Reid, last year was oatmeal
right in a in a in a wide receiver room
that didn't have a standout guy. He somehow couldn't even
be the standout guy. So I don't know, I don't know,
I need it. I need I think this year for
ja and you know this wasn't the plan, but I
think this is a big year fantasy wise for Jayden
Reed to sort of determine who he is. I think

(52:34):
for real, real quick. On tight ends, Tyler Warren, Colston Loveland.
I know we have got to a point where we're
used to seeing tight ends blossom in their first year.

Speaker 4 (52:43):
I have been on Tyler Warren for a while.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
I think if there's a tight end you can take
a chance on as a first year player in the
NFL or in fantasy drafts, I think it's Tyler Warren.
You know, I think Loveland's a guy who do who
does have potential, but I think he's a he's huge.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
You know, another Michigan guy.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
They've had a really great track record of putting tight
ends in the league recently. But I think he's a
guy that you know sixty eight and he's.

Speaker 4 (53:12):
A grown, grown ass man. But I think he's he's
one who I think takes a little more developing.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
I think Tyler Warren can potentially be an impact maker
right now for sure.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Yeah, people are gonna expect like brock Bauer, like, don't
he's not brock Bowers.

Speaker 4 (53:32):
Don't don't expect brockers littleberation better.

Speaker 5 (53:35):
I don't know he's bigger, but he's definitely bigger.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
I think he's more stands, he's more dynamic because I
think he's a guy that you will see him, you know,
on the field as a.

Speaker 4 (53:47):
Block or too, right like, I.

Speaker 2 (53:48):
Think he he projects more sort of George Kittle ish
in the sense of.

Speaker 4 (53:54):
You know, wherever he goes, are going to ask him
to be part of the run game too.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Is the name I wrote down? Well, I said Greg
Olsen or Kittle if Kittle was Gronk size.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Okay, yeah, no, I think I think that's I think
that's fair. I think that's a that's a good comp so,
but I do like Tyler Warren a whole lot for sure.
All Right, that's just a big start. That's us a
little bit of a start.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
We're gonna start to break these down by position as
we go through, as we get a little bit closer
to the draft. Hopefully we get some friends of the
show on to come and talk about some of this
stuff as well.

Speaker 5 (54:26):
We got a bracket moving.

Speaker 4 (54:28):
On to the next round. We take a time out,
we're gonna come back with that.

Speaker 2 (54:30):
Plus we're going to get the update on where La
Kwan is with the lovely folks at LUMAN to get
his thoughts on what's going on there. We're gonna figure
that out in a little bit. Stick around for more
of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. All right, so last
week we introduced our Fantasy Rookie QB season's brackets dating
back just to the year two thousand, so pretty much

(54:53):
just here in the twenty first century. And the results
are in and none of them were close. That was
maybe the biggest surprise to me. I wasn't necessarily surprised
with who won in the first round. I was just
shocked that none of the matchups were close at all.
Kim Newton, no surprise, moves on over Russell Wilson, Newton

(55:13):
getting eighty seven point two percent of the vote, the
one that has the quant a little bit salting Robert
Griffin third seventy three percent to twenty seven percent for
bow Knicks, justin Herbert over Dak Prescott seventy to twenty
eight percent, and the biggest blowout winner of them all,
Jaden Daniels nearly ninety three percent of the votes against

(55:34):
the seven seed Kyler Murray. So it was completely chalk
in the first round of this tournament. Would you like
to get something off your chest about the bow Knicks
defeat there?

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Lakwan, absolutely, because what are we doing here? I think
people were more so voting on this just based on
real life football. But I'm like, bow Knicks bawled out
put up three hundred plus Fantasy points. I mean, he's
one of five people to do that since two thousand
among the quarterbacks, So what are we doing? Like, I
really feel as though like bo Nicks had all the
hate towards him going into the off season, I mean

(56:08):
going into the season and then overperformed, Like there has
to be some type of credit now.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
I guess.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
I mean, I just think people remember how much of
a phenomenon r G three.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Was, and I'm just mad at the percentages, it should
be a little bit closer. Okay, I knew that RG
three was gonna win.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
I was surprised that it was not closer.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
Surprised that I was surprised that the Justin Herbert dak
Prescott matchup wasn't at least a little bit closer.

Speaker 5 (56:37):
Yeah, Yeah, that was wild.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
I don't think people like that that maybe he trained, he.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Crazy, He could be paying a cowboy tax here. I
don't know, so that that sort of surprised me. Also
a little bit surprised that Jaden Daniels won so handily
although Florida.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
I think that's maybe a little recency bias.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
I think it's it's paired with the fact that Jaden
daniels recentcy bias, like you said, also paired with the
fact that Kyler Murray was a big disappointment in fantasy
this past year.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
So people are doubly recency biased.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
Yeah, they ever forgot about that season.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
Could be not very much, could be.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
I just again not surprised by who won, mostly surprised.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
By the matchups.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
So I gets in to the second round of our tournament.
You got the one seed Cam Newton going against the
four seed Robert Griffin third, So it should be very
fun nevery bed a couple of Heisman Trophy winners. In fact,
three of the four semi finalists are Heisman Trophy winners.
Cam Newton RG three, and then any other matchup there.
I got Justin Herbert taking on Jaden Daniels, with Jayden

(57:44):
having been a Heisman Trophy winner in his final season
taken on at Justin Herbert. Do we expect it's going
to continue to be chalk? Will we see one versus
two in this one?

Speaker 4 (57:54):
You think so?

Speaker 5 (57:57):
Justin Herbert doesn't belong in this group.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah, he's very much the He's like one of one
of these kids is doing his own thing. Herbert is
the guy who definitely stands out in that group. I mean,
he's like the one guy who, aside from the obvious
visual differences.

Speaker 4 (58:14):
Between the three of the four quarterbacks, he's the one
who's not mobile.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
All these other guys have a mobility element to their
game wheels that that Justin Herbert does not have. He's
the only real pocket passer in this group. I think
Daniels rolls easily. It might be another nine for Jane Daniels. Yeah,
I think I think Cam Newton wins. Maybe RG three

(58:40):
has a puncher's chance in this whole thing.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
I bet people remember RG three's rookie year as being
better than Cam, even though fantasy wise, Cam is dominates it.
But like RG three to one Rookie of the Year overlooked.
They made the playoffs, if I remember correctly, Like the
Panthers were awful.

Speaker 5 (59:01):
They just Cam Newton balled out.

Speaker 3 (59:02):
Yeah he was rolling.

Speaker 4 (59:04):
Yeah, I think that that. You know.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
So I'm curious of the iOS. So we will have
the polls up on Twitter. Just follow the NFL Fantasy
account so you can vote for who makes it to
the finals.

Speaker 4 (59:15):
And next Thursday.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
We'll we'll come back and we'll talk about who is
in the championship round of this one. I do suspect
it's going to be one versus two, but that one
could be interesting.

Speaker 5 (59:26):
Man.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
As you look at the if you're watch it on YouTube,
you want look at the matchup there the numbers between
Jade and Daniels and Justin Herbert.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Yeah, I'm looking. I'm just looking at the stats, and
Daniels is going to crush Justin Herbert. He's go Herbert.

Speaker 5 (59:43):
Nice, He's got bias.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
He's the Rookie of the Year like college success Heisman
Trophy winner.

Speaker 4 (59:48):
Yeah, it's not going to be close. He's going to
completely crush Justin Herbert. And so I'm.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Expecting a Cam Newton, Jade and Daniels matchup and that
one that could be fun. So we'll see that one
in about a week before we get out of here.
We do have to get the La Kwan severance update.
I realized that the last time that on Tuesday, I
didn't I didn't say spoiler alert, but I was also
like this, these episodes came out like multiple years ago,
and I feel like these statute of limitations almost five

(01:00:16):
years ago. Yeah, these Statute of Limitations is sort of
up on that. So but for those of you who
are sensitive about that sort of thing, spoiler alert, We're
gonna talk about season one of severns Now. When we
last left you, Lakwan, you were really considering watching episode
four without your wife.

Speaker 4 (01:00:32):
You said you went on and did that.

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Yeah, one has she how does she feel?

Speaker 4 (01:00:38):
Has she caught up? And then where are you now?

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Look, she's caught up and we have cleared season one.
We aren't on all one. Season two. Baby, wait for
tonight to get it going.

Speaker 5 (01:00:51):
But oh my god, oh my.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
God, he Helen Helen exit for season one.

Speaker 5 (01:00:58):
Yes, amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
You guys had to wait so many years to see
just starting right now. I'm glad I waited because I
would have lost my mind, like I need to see
what happens. Oh my god, Like he she's alive. Like
I was just like Mark, I was just so frozen
for the last couple of minutes because like all three

(01:01:21):
of them, they were all going through their stuff. You
got Dylan holding down the fort and I'm just like,
I don't know which one to be more anxiety about,
Like Helly's about to do this speech and ruin everything,
which she does, and then I'm just like, okay, what now.
And then it's like, oh my god, my man, irving man,
heartbroken man, my brother man. And then you just go
crash out on the door, bro, like she just kept

(01:01:43):
driving brother man. But Mark, that was a dope reveal
because I felt like there was something there between the
psychiatrists and him. But then like when they wrap it up,
like that's his wife, bro, Oh my god. Like I
was just like I'm locked. Like season two, I cannot
wait to get rolling.

Speaker 4 (01:02:00):
Guys, know, I'm I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
Pleased that you made through the first season. I was
just hoping that you at least had gotten to the
music dance experienced way through the season or something like that,
but not with none of that. Yeah, you know, the
music dance experience was you know, a special moment for
the folks there in micro data refinement.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
So I was just hoping you at least gotten that far.

Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
So the wawful party is a little weird.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
When you finished season two, we'll talk, because there's.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
A lot of a lot of stuff going around that
from what happens in one that comes back into or
stuff or like not even stuff, just like things that okay,
this happened in the finale and something similar, like it
has nothing to do with it, but there's a lot
that is very tied together. And yep, the only episode
of Severn is better than the season one finale, in
my opinion, is the season two finale.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Probably the season two finale. Yeah, so wow, So I
look forward to it. So you get a whole weekend
to plow through. I mean, the way you went through
season one, I would expect it. By the time we
come back on Tuesday, you may be done with this
whole thing what.

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
I couldn't stop.

Speaker 5 (01:03:02):
I could not stop.

Speaker 4 (01:03:04):
I was just like, Nope, you may be done with
this by the time we get to so look forward
to it.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
Look forward to best show on TV in years in
my opinion.

Speaker 4 (01:03:11):
Look forward to uh to catch it up with you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
As soon as they're done with the show, I'm gonna
watch the music Dance Experience all over again.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
I'm watching season two finale tonight. No way, it's like
the third time I've made it through season two. Rewatch,
I got just the finale left.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
All right, you can hang out with the Department of
Choreography and merriment.

Speaker 4 (01:03:29):
It's gonna be fantastic. There you go.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
We'll be back with you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Of course next Tuesday. We'll start to die a little
bit more deeply into the NFL Draft and some of
the prospects and kind of what we are looking for.
And you know, we'll have another separatece update and probably
some other nonsense because that's what we do here on
this show.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
In the meantime.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
Oh also, I'm gonna take this moment to be selfish
as we wrap up the show, I want to take
this opportunity to say happy birthday to my favorite person
in the whole wide world.

Speaker 4 (01:03:54):
My son Quentin turned six today.

Speaker 5 (01:03:56):
So.

Speaker 4 (01:03:57):
Happy birth Happy birthday.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
By it's my grandma's birthday today, to birthday, birthday, Grandma.

Speaker 4 (01:04:05):
There you go, how your birthday, So happy birthday, Bubba.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
We love you very much, look forward to you know,
hanging out with you for many many men I me
me more years. You are my favorite person of all time.

Speaker 4 (01:04:17):
There you go.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
That'll do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy
Football Podcast. They happy, safe and healthy, do good and
live well, enjoy opening Day whenever baseball decide they want
to start it. And we will talk to you again
next week