NFL Draft Preview: Quarterbacks

Marcas Grant, Michael F. Florio, and LaQuan Jones start the show with the latest NFL news out of the NFL Annual Meeting, including a potential “tush push” ban, changes to the dynamic kickoff rules, and a ban on CeeDee Lamb’s nose-wipe celebration.

Then Grant, Florio, and Jones take a deep dive into the quarterback prospects in this year’s draft and consider which of the lesser known names might provide fantasy value (19:12).

Then the guys wrap the show with a discussion of Severance season two (46:28- spoiler warning!)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow Wow, Hey everybody, It's Tuesday, April first, twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast, where we.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Can be fools more than just one day of the year.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's me and your man MG Marcus, graduated by Michael
Florio and Laqwan Jones. Happy April. Have you had Florio, LaQuan?
Have you guys gotten got to buy any April Fools
jokes today on the interwebs.

Speaker 4 (00:34):
I don't think I've gone got yet.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
I have.

Speaker 5 (00:36):
I have laughed a lot this morning though, seeing other
people get got or any some funny joke stuff like that.
But I'm very skeptical today. I read anything and I'm like, true,
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
I have not gotten got because I've been on the
internet for twenty five years. There's nothing on the Internet
that I truly believe. So no, I have not been
getting gotten.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
I think that's probably the way to go, right. It's like,
I just don't believe anything on the Internet. I think
that you know, oh fake to me.

Speaker 4 (01:07):
At the end of the day.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
That's a double edged sword.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Right, Like on the one hand, it prevents you from
getting fooled by things, but on the other hand, like
you know, every.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
Once in a while something true actually is said on
the Internet.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
The Insiders, the big Insiders pages really get me, like
the Tom Pellisaro's that are spelled differently with the Pelsera
and then the rappaport Is with the extra It's like,
come on, we how old are we now?

Speaker 3 (01:29):
Yeah? Yeah, that's that's the hard part. You know.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
It's like the wrap shield or something like that, you know,
accounts that that's into to get people.

Speaker 5 (01:38):
Those branks were funny when you had to actually like
earn a blue check and like work for changing your profile,
and now it's just literally anyone could do it and
it's not funny anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
I think that's the biggest thing is that for most
of us now it's just the humor has worn off,
like we can stop.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
We don't have to do this, Like I'm not in
the third grade anymore. I don't have to do it
fools jokes, you know, although.

Speaker 5 (02:00):
I do laugh whenever like one of those posts makes
its way onto television, like oh that that always makes
me laugh.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Or when you know somebody's being interviewed for the news
and they give them a fake name and somehow that
that makes it onto the onto the graphic and that
sort of thing. So for sure, Uh, we're gonna let's
talk about we are going to start our positional breakdowns
of the NFL draft, and why not start at quarterback?
Kind of an interesting group to talk about, so we'll
dive into those. And h LaQuan finished severance last week,

(02:33):
so let's go.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
We can get his thoughts on out e March and uh, he's.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Not talking about he's like talking about a luxury cars,
talking about the folks at micro data refinements. We'll dive
into that too. Spoiler alert for folks who maybe haven't
finished season two yet. We'll let you know when we
get there. But I want to start with some news
because there have been some headlines popping up, especially because
I today the league, the cop Petition Committee has basically

(03:03):
come up with any rules changes that they're going to
see for the next season. And beyond the one that
was getting a lot of headlines, that is not being
changed or at least banned for now is the tush
push that.

Speaker 3 (03:16):
Is going to stay as it is.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
That's despite the Packers, the Bills and several other teams
really making a as I say, a push, no pun intending.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
To have the rule banned.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
Player safety was being touted as the reason for that,
and I don't know, Florio, like, really, do we really
buy that players safety was the reason they don't want.

Speaker 3 (03:45):
The tush push in existence.

Speaker 5 (03:47):
I did see McDermott on in an interview yesterday talking
about it and saying how like the data backs it
up and how he knows it's been a very successful
play for his team, but if there's data that shows
that it's putting his players in harm's way, he's going
to be against it. And I'll say this, I'm not
a doctor. I haven't looked at any of this data.

(04:08):
I'm not going to argue against player safety. Like if
you come to me and you prove that this play
is really dangerous, okay, sure, I'm cool without it.

Speaker 4 (04:16):
I don't think that's what this is at all.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
First, I think McDermott is being like against the touch push,
but he's gonna be like, but the Buffalo snowplow is
still legal, right, But more than anything like Sirianni literally
rallying his former ocs to be like keep his play
legal and stuff. To me, it just feels like the
Eagles are elite at it and no one can stop it,

(04:39):
and the Bills are as close to elite on it
as you can be, and only the Chiefs could really
stop them with it.

Speaker 4 (04:44):
Like if every team had a guy like that, I'd
be like.

Speaker 5 (04:47):
Sure, okay, we don't need this play. But it's just
two teams that are doing it at this high a
rate in this successfully. So my comp was like, that'd
be like if you were like everyone but Steph Curry
could shoot threes or Aaron Judge I hit home runs
anymore because he's too good at it. Like, I don't know.
To me, this just feels like a play that that
most teams can't stop and they're gonna take their ball

(05:08):
and go home if they can't stop it. And I'm like,
figure a way out. The Chiefs did right, like like
do something to figure it out.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Well, the Chiefs figured it out.

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Basically, Josh Allen decided he can't go right, like he
just kept going left the whole time.

Speaker 5 (05:23):
Two years in a row, he's only gone left, and
one team figured that out.

Speaker 4 (05:27):
Like yeah, I mean you know, like I have take
some frustration on this, man.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
I'm I'm here for your takes some frustration.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
First off, between Aaron Rodgers and the tush push. I'm like,
over both of them. Can we stop with the tush push?
Can we stop with Aaron rodd Just get it over it?
Just band it, like, get rid of it, Like I'm
tired of talking about it. And now we have to
wait until May, conveniently right before Fantasy draft, where we
decide if Jalen Hurts is going to get hit or
knocked her up, And like, I don't even want to

(05:57):
get into it because the play is to play. There
is some player safety dyamond to it because my doppelganger
Chris Jones was hurt in the Super Bowl. He hurt
his neck. So I'm like, there is no real data
because we haven't been tracking it. But just ask the
player in trenches, like do they want a Rugby style
move in the game, Like, esthetically it looks disgusting. It

(06:17):
just looks like a mash of people just going in
one direction and it's unstoppable. A seventy six percent success
rate last season that the Eagles had on the tush push.
That's incredible, that's great. But then it's like this is
constantly going to be back and forth, back and forth.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
About the thing.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
Just get rid of it. Just I'm done with it.
Like that's just my take on it.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
I look, I maybe there is some players safety involved
in this. I don't think that is the primary driving
factor for why this has come up, for why this
has become a thing.

Speaker 3 (06:50):
I just don't.

Speaker 4 (06:51):
I think the wrong coach bring it to the table
for that though, Like McDermott, you ran it four times
against the Chiefs, you own four and they're effected.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Maybe maybe maybe he brought it up to be saved
from himself, right, like, hey, maybe maybe I need to.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
Be stopped from going there.

Speaker 5 (07:08):
He did say, he was like, look, if it's legal,
we're going to keep doing it.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
Like, yeah, they.

Speaker 4 (07:12):
Had more success baking the push push in that game
than actually doing it, So I think you should fake it,
if anything, and go for it.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
I mean, meanwhile, you have Aaron Glenn on the other
side who says, look, I'm a defensive coach. My job
is to come up with ways to stop this play.
And I think when we look at this version of it,
right because Tom Brady was great at sneaks, that was
a big part of his career.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
If if it was you know, third and one, fourth
and one or less, than that.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
You knew the Patriots are going to line up and
sneak it, and Brady was going to get it ninety
eight percent of the time. I think with this version
of it, it's a moment in time. It's a moment
in time with a quarterback who squats six hundred and
fifty pounds or whatever it is that Jalen Hurts does.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
He's not always going to be this strong.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
They aren't always going to be able to run this
play as successfully as they do. I think you try
and find a way to stop it as much as possible,
but understand that this is a relatively short period of
time that this thing is going to be as successful
as it is now. If there are numbers that come
out and say that the game is considerably safer without

(08:25):
the twush push.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
In there, then I will stand down on this.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
But I think there are a lot of things that
the league could be doing that would be considerably safer
for players in the long run that no one is
talking about because Thursday night football makes a lot of money.
So I just you know, I mean, I think if
this is what we're doing, if this is what we're arguing,
let's just be blunt about what we are actually arguing.

(08:50):
I'll say real quick, the other part of this, it
doesn't mean it's getting banned.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
It could be tweaked. That's it.

Speaker 4 (08:54):
Yeah, those two.

Speaker 5 (08:55):
Teams are still going to be insanely successful at one
yard runs because of their quarterbacks and their and the
other team that does it well is the Ravens. What
do all three of those teams have in common? They
have huge, empowering offensive line. Like they they are a
team built around strengths and they're utilizing those strengths. So like,
I don't know, I feel like you're trying to punish

(09:16):
a team just because other teams can't do it.

Speaker 3 (09:19):
Yeah, I completely agree.

Speaker 5 (09:20):
First thing I did LAK one was I went to
see if the Eagles had a successful toush push against
the Rams in the playoffs, and.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
I believe they did. Tean mcvay's against it as well.
He doesn't want it in the game bandit and I
sided with coach that's my boy.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Like Sean McVay was like, yeah, man, we're running it
with Matthew Stafford.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Keep it in the game. You'd be like, keep it
in the game.

Speaker 4 (09:43):
No, I honestly know I will go against him because
Stafford does not need to leave the pocket. We saw
him break his ribs again, you know, Jalen hurts, no comment.

Speaker 3 (09:57):
We got it. We got it.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
One of the rules that is being tweaked heading in
the next year. The owners have voted to adjust the
ball spot on touchbacks to the thirty five yard line
on the dynamic kickoffs. I know last summer, LQ, you
spent a lot of time kind of diving into this
and trying to figure out what it would mean and
whether or not we should pay attention to it for fantasy.

Speaker 3 (10:18):
I honestly thought your work on it was really, really good.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
It turned out that, you know, it didn't It didn't
work out the way you had anticipated necessarily. So does
this you think make a difference at all?

Speaker 4 (10:30):
Not really. I think it's good. Like I took this
as a win because it's not like they're getting rid
of it completely, like, oh, it didn't work out, we're
going back to the old style. They're trying to tweak
things and penalize a kicker now, like we're honestly going
to see more returns now, Like nobody wants to set
up the opposing team like the Bills or the Ravens
or the Chiefs or anybody on the thirty five. No way,
So let's try to implement more of like a return

(10:53):
specialist like I would love to see, like again I
go back Davon h and Tyreek Hill the speesters back
there to make a huge impact, you know, And I
want to see more of this like evolve as time
goes on. So I'm glad they're not getting rid of
it completely. They're just making some changes to it to
where it could set up a team and more scoring opportunities.
A team that struggles getting out of that twenty, now

(11:14):
you set the Browns up on the thirty five might
get some points. So it all depends, you know.

Speaker 2 (11:20):
Uh yeah, I will admit that, you know, the dynamic
kickoff I think has been kind of a dud really,
at least in terms of excitement.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
I know that again a big driving.

Speaker 2 (11:31):
Factor was safety that a lot of injuries happen on kickoffs,
and this has taken a good chunk of that out
of the game.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
So that is a positive.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
But in terms of I think actual excitement for the play,
I don't see any of it at this point.

Speaker 4 (11:45):
I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get my crystal ball.
I think the lines are going to be the ones
to mess with it because I think Dan Quinn he
seems like a guy that just will tweak in and
just be like, all right, let's try some trickery, and
like he will be aggressive. So I'm just doing the
crystal ball. It's going to be the lines.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
I'm surprised. I'm surprised the Ravens necessarily haven't done more.
I mean, John Harbaugh very famously was a special teams
coach before he became a head coach. And yeah, I'm
just shocked that that maybe they haven't been a team.

Speaker 3 (12:11):
Where's John Fossil right now? Is you still with the Cowboys? Bones?

Speaker 2 (12:15):
I don't know where Bones Fossil is, to be perfectly
honest with you, I'm the Google says he's with the Titans.

Speaker 4 (12:25):
Titans, okay, all right, let's get a little trick from
tadj Spear back there.

Speaker 2 (12:30):
Maybe John Fossil has something up his sleeve. I guess
we will wait and find out.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
I wonder if we're gonna see bigger name play, because
to your point, Lakwon like the Lions could do a
lot of fun stuff.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
They also Jamiir.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
Gibbs, who's a running back who can see the holes
and is the fastest dude on the field most of
the time. Like I imagine, Like I know, you don't want
players taking extra hits, and that was the case for
so long, but like, in a situation like this, I
feel like Jamior Gibbs might be the best person suited
for this type of play, and like I would love
that alone, would make it more exciting for me seeing

(13:02):
some of these more dynamic players getting the ball in
these kind of touches.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, man, just wait until they announced that Jamior Gibbs
is gonna be returning kicks and watch fantasy freaking I
remember remember when Kyron Williams was gonna be a nothing
because he was supposed.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
To run back punts. Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
I didn't really buy into that so much. I actually
just thought Blake Korn was gonna have more of a role.

Speaker 4 (13:25):
It's because his first injury in the league was on kickoff.
He hurt his ankle and then it kind of derailed
his rookie season. So I was just kind of having
PTSD there.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
That's why I wanted.

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Did he do it all year for you guys?

Speaker 3 (13:35):
Uh? No, he barely even did it.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
Last year was one of these things and it never happened. Yeah,
I thought that was the case. But that's so funny
to me. Like the first couple of games and then
after that, I was like, all right, whatever, that was weird.

Speaker 5 (13:48):
I'm not not paying attention to any of those reports
this summer.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
No, all right, I'm gonna mark that down on April first,
We're not paying attention.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
It'll be like July twelfth and nothing will be going on,
and I'll be like, hey, guys, did you see that
they're gonna have like.

Speaker 4 (14:06):
Hyreek Hill return kicks? I might be out on him now. Well,
I'm surprised we haven't even mentioned this in news. Him
and tweet and the peace sign, Like, what is that about?

Speaker 3 (14:15):
I don't know, I it's.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
He might It wasn't today though, Oh it wasn't. No,
I'm like, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
I have long since giving up, giving up trying to
divine things via cryptic social media posts like I just
I can't anymore. I know there are people out there
who try to read into it, probably the same people
who keep track of what teams and players certain guys
are following. Like that's another thing. That feels like a
full time job that I don't want.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Who do you think it's going to wipe the socials
of the team this season.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
It's just like, and I don't know how people know this.
People seem to report on this, like almost immediately, and
I don't.

Speaker 3 (14:58):
I guess there's an app or something.

Speaker 2 (14:59):
That's all I can figure is that there's an app
that lets you know that, because I don't, I'm not
gonna go through every NFL player's social media and keep track.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Of who they are or are not following. Oh you
know what the app is called. It's called such Grass.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
That Stop the Madness.

Speaker 3 (15:17):
There was a millisecond where I was like, they made
an app.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Oh yeah, we'll see other thing. Not that it has
anything to do with fantasy, but I just found this interesting.
They have changed the rules towards celebrations. They have banned some,
including the nose wipe celebration. Now maybe I'm out of
the loop, which is certainly possible.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
This feels like, are you.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Familiar with the Streisand effect at all? So the Strisand effect,
the short version of it is, once upon a time
somebody posted a photo I had to do with actually
like land erosion and you know, soil and that sort
of thing. But it was aid in Malibu. In the
picture was Barbara Streisand's house. It was up on the

(16:05):
internet for a long time. Nobody ever downloaded it until
her attorneys sued the photographer for invasion of privacy. And
then everybody became aware of this photo and started downloading it.
Right Like before the lawsuit, I think it had like
six downloads.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
After the lawsuit it had like half a million downloads.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
The strike cent effect being calling attention to something that
nobody was previously paying attention to and now having everybody.

Speaker 3 (16:30):
Pay attention to it.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
Yep, I was unaware of this nosewipe celebration, Like, I
don't think I ever noticed it. I never paid attention
to it. Then I saw a whole bunch of posts
about it being banned. I immediately went to Google to
look up what it was. Like, I mean, Okay, maybe
I'm wrong, maybe I'm the one who just has been
slow on the uptake year, but this really felt like
a whole nothing thing that the league has made into

(16:53):
a thing now.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
But maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
I knew the celebration. I didn't know what it meant. Lakwan,
you said you were waiting for this day to come.
But yeah, not only is stress that effect Marcus, because
like for me, I always like that's like the how
I Met your Mother glass breaking moment in the show
where like you notice something and you can't now unnotice
it and stuff. But like things change over time, right,
like this this had a meaning in the past, but

(17:19):
now if kids do it and stuff, they're doing it
because like CD Lamb was doing it like it's CD celebration, right,
So let things change naturally and then it's like it
becomes one of those funny stories where it's like, once
upon a time, this used to be this, but now
society has just made it this.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Yeah, I mean, I mean, look, if everybody was boohooing
back when Sojia boy cranked that, and then they actually
understand what they're calling them out, then they will be
banning it back then. But it's more so just don't
cause attention to it. But again, kids were looking at
it as a CD Lamb celebration. I don't see the
need to go and nitpick and pick out certain things
that people were doing the celebrat Like pretty soon you're

(17:58):
gonna have to just have your hands in your pocket
when you make a big play.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I think it's foolish.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah again, I just it just felt like a whole
thing that wasn't really a big deal and now is
kind of a bigger deal.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
But yeah, I don't know. Now more kids are going
to do it.

Speaker 4 (18:15):
My personal favorite celebration is when players just like ironically
handshake because they know, like if I do anything else.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, yeah. One thing I do want them to finish
officially put in the rule book, because it seems to
be an unofficial rule, is that apparently you can't move
the chains unless the ball carrier stands up and signals
first down. Like I just think that is that it
must be a rule, right because it always happens. It
seems always happen.

Speaker 4 (18:40):
I'm down to make that rule.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
But I'm also down that if you indicate first down
and you are short, it's a five yard penalty.

Speaker 3 (18:46):
Ooh. I like that because we've.

Speaker 5 (18:48):
Had players get a yard and they get up and
they're like and it's like second and nine and they're
playing it.

Speaker 3 (18:56):
Oh my goodness, that would be great.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
Anyway, we're gonna having a quarterback prospect. There is some
quarterback ish news. We can sort of tie that into
the conversation that we will get into that coming up
after the.

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Break here on the NFL Fantasy Football Pod. So as
we start.

Speaker 2 (19:13):
More in depth draft prep, we will dive into the
quarterbacks here and I broke them down into three different
tiers and we can sort of.

Speaker 3 (19:21):
Talk about guys within these tiers.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
We don't have to touch on each individual one because
then this pod would probably be another hour and a
half long on top of what we've already done.

Speaker 4 (19:32):
Spoiler alert, I put LOL for tier three.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
You know what, that's fair. We'll discuss that when we
get to it. But in tier one right now, I've
got two guys in Tier one.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
It's cam Ward, It's Shuder Sanders, and one of what's
sort of interesting here. It's looking more and more like
cam Ward is probably going to be a Tennessee type.
That's slowly becoming the consensus that he is going to
be the first player selected, and we'll push will leve
Us out of a job down there in Tennessee. Shaudur

(20:03):
Sanders is sort of an interesting piece because he could
go too. He could go three, He could fall maybe
a couple spots after that somebody could trade up. We
have no idea what's going to happen. The one thing
we do know, the New York Giants went out and
signed a couple of veteran free agent quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
They went and outed Jameis Winston.

Speaker 2 (20:22):
We did a whole thing on this show, and we
had to have it scrubbed because hours later they went
and signed Russell Wilson to a deal. So they have
those two guys. But the talk from the front office,
whether it's head coach Brian Dable or it's GM Joe Shane,
is that they are necessarily out of the market for

(20:42):
a quarterback with the number three overall pick, so potentially
Shudur Sanders is still in play. Sanders also met with
the Cleveland Browns, who have the number two overall.

Speaker 3 (20:52):
Pick in this draft. But let's just let's sort of
stick with.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
The Giants here Florida, because that was a big part
of our conversation last week.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
What would they do? Would they still take a quarterback?
Would they not.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
Let's say the Giants decide to make the move, and
let's say for the sake of argument, because otherwise, you know,
that sort of ruins the whole premise of this.

Speaker 3 (21:11):
Pods the starting quarterback.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Is this a good thing for Elik Neighbors, because that
is our primary concern in New York.

Speaker 5 (21:19):
Yes, I don't see any way, shape or form where
this QB room would be bad for Melik Neighbors, who
again put up elite fantasy numbers last year with Daniel Jones,
Tommy DeVito, Drew Locke, and Tim Boyle.

Speaker 4 (21:37):
Like a room of Russell.

Speaker 5 (21:38):
Wilson, Shador Sanders and Jamis Winston devours that that QB
room from last season, and I think they're still in
the market because they didn't really spend a whole lot
of years or money or anything on those guys. But
I do think Sanders would be a good thing because
we have seen that if you could get the ball
in the vicinity of Melik Neighbors, he is more than

(22:00):
likely going to make a play, do something special win
after the catch. All of that, and Chador is very accurate,
so I think, And he's a good anticipatory thrower, he's
got good timing.

Speaker 4 (22:11):
I think touch all that.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
Like, I think that he would be able to there'd
be a nice connection there with Malik Neighbors.

Speaker 4 (22:17):
And what I like, even more.

Speaker 5 (22:18):
Than anything, is. Of all of these college quarterbacks, literally
no one was more under pressure last year than Shador Sanders,
So he could come in and kind of be a
little bit more equipped to handle that Giants O line
and the problems that it could create at times. But yeah,
I think for me, regardless of who the quarterback for

(22:39):
the Giants is going to be a week one, I
think the arrow is pointing up from Elik Neighbors heading
into twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, I mean watching I watched more of Shaduur that
first year in Colorado than I didn't necessarily the second
year watch.

Speaker 3 (22:52):
A little bit.

Speaker 2 (22:54):
Yeah, certainly, the prevailing belief is that Sachs can be
a QB stat as much as it can be an
offensive line stat. And I do think while he does
have experience being under pressure playing behind a shaky O line,
there's a little bit of it that also fell on
his shoulders too. He holds the ball, He holds the
ball a long time, and I think that that's gonna

(23:15):
be an issue certainly at the next level, where your
pass rushers are even bigger and faster and stronger than
what he saw in college over the last couple of years.
Let's look this though, Let's say Lakwan that maybe the
Browns end up pulling the trigger on Shduer at two,
especially when you have owner Jimmy Haslam coming out and
basically saying, hey, my bad. We we sort of fed up.

(23:37):
The Deshaun Watson thing. Also that he threw his wife
under the bus. He also threw his wife under the bus,
and the whole thing like, yeah, d and I had
a problem and I'm sure if I'm de has them
all like hey me, like I'm you know, I'm the
meme of the guy holding.

Speaker 3 (23:50):
The beer like me, Like what like what should say?
Like what did I do?

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Right?

Speaker 5 (23:56):
Has an owner ever called out a player like this
by like it was yeah, sheesh, But you.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Know what I one?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
It seems to be sort of late, right, because they've
went through a few years of this, and now that
it looks like Deshaun Watson's career is probably done after
multiple injuries, you know, it seems like an easy way
out now to be like, yeah, I'm sorry, I messed up. Right,
It's easy to do now that it's easy to move

(24:24):
on from him. It's a lot harder to do when
you're in the middle of it. But Is this a
good thing in Cleveland? Ryan, I mean, we saw Jerry
Judy Laqwan kind of break out near the end of
last year. You know, David and Joku has had some
moments in his career as well. As it should do
a good fit for either of those guys.

Speaker 4 (24:44):
It could be like it's honestly a situation I hope
doesn't happen for Fantasy because I absolutely want the height
of Sanders to have a career outside of Cleveland, because honestly,
they have a bad resume of first round quarterbacks. Like, honestly,
Baker Mayfield got blessed his soul to be able to
make it out of there and get another contract and
research his career, but you got the Johnny Menzel's end

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of the world and all that stuff that just hasn't
worked out for them seconding quarterback in the first round.
So honestly, with Sanders there, it's like, all right, what
are the building pieces? You still don't have your answers
at the running back position. Your O line is decent,
but you got David Najoku, Jerry Judy, great, these are
your weapons. But is this going to push him to
Fantasy relevance in his first year. No, I wouldn't be

(25:29):
interested drafting stra door Sanders there. I would be interested
more even with that crowded room in New York, to
grab him in redrafts or whatever the case may be,
or whatever the kids are calling them, super flex leekuse
whatever the crazy leagues that we're all in. But more
so saying that, you know, if he ends up in
Cleveland and he's the starter, I'm just totally turned off
of the whole situation where it's just.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Like all right, back to square one.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
They'll be drafting another quarterback in the next three, four
or five years, so that will be the situation, which
will be unfortunate for him.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
So you sort of answered the question I had whether
or not he'd be usable in redraft leagues. And I'm
kind of with you that I don't know that I
would want to draft Shduur Sanders, but I'm mostly curious
in what he does the people around him. But I
do ask you talking about it. Look, and you said
you want him to have a good career. Is this
a Cleveland thing, because it can't be a talent thing, right,
like they've drafted talented players.

Speaker 3 (26:20):
This seems to be an organizational thing. Yeah, it's pretty bad.

Speaker 4 (26:25):
I'd argue that, like this is one of the worst.
Like last year, we were all.

Speaker 5 (26:29):
Like Bears best landing spot for a rookie quarterback, and
we know that didn't play out how we all envisioned.
But like for the Browns, it's gotta be one of
the worst landing spots ever for rookie quarterback because you
have so much money tied into DeShawn already, they're paying
Miles Garrett, like what teams are paying elite quarterbacks. Like
I understand he's worth it in all, but it's just
the money is all spent elsewhere and not on the

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offensive side of the ball.

Speaker 4 (26:51):
That like it, it's gonna hurt. Like even look at
the setup for a young developing quarterback. Your backup is
Kenny Pickett.

Speaker 3 (27:00):
What is he learning? Oh, I got traded.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Like Jesus, Like I don't understand, Like there is here's how.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
It bounce back after you don't live up to expectations
in the first round.

Speaker 4 (27:10):
Yeah, Like he needs somebody like a room of New York,
like he can develop with Russell Wilson to learn the
ins and out. Russell has been in the treage just
for years now and Winston. He's a spiritual, like upbeat coach,
you know, like he can get him just like, you know,
laughing and giggling stuff and being good spirits when they're losing.
But it's more so of like the situation has to

(27:32):
be right and you have to get it right with
the landing spot. For these young quarterbacks, souse, we've seen
them fall in their face just by being in a
bad organization and situation.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
At Giants QB room. They praised here for sure.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
I just I had to pause for a second because
I was envisioning in my head Jameis Winston after football
being like a life coach and just like you know,
he's just he would say things to you that you're like,
I don't know what that means, but you really seem
convicted and positive about it.

Speaker 4 (28:05):
So I'm just gonna kind of roll with it. I
don't think he's ever had a bad day in his life.
I don't even all the interceptions in Tampa he threw
everyone with a smile.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Well, he very much seems like a guy that everything
just kind of rolls off of him, right.

Speaker 3 (28:19):
He just you know, like even even if it was
bad in the moment.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
He does just seem like a very It just seems
like like, hey, you know, tomorrow's a new day. You know,
the next pass is a new pass, and we're just
gonna roll with it. It definitely definitely feels that way.

Speaker 5 (28:32):
If you guys haven't seen it. His the year the
Bucks were on hard Knocks, they did like a thing
where he like went back to where he grew up
and stuff, and that is his attitude. But it's it's
really cool to see why. So like, as much as
I love Jamis jokes and stuff like, it is a
good watch. If you guys are able to find it.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
We are a Jamius pod man. I'm telling you we
already pro Jamis pod for sure.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
I do want to ask you, though, but if we
talk about km Warred, Shuder Sanders, they're the two guys
at the top of this draft class, where do you
think they would have fit had they been eligible or
available to come out last year?

Speaker 5 (29:09):
So I think I think this is a really good question.
I think, look, No One a year later, we could
all have our opinions on Caleb. No one was gonna
top Caleb as a prospect in last year's class. And
I loved Daniels. I remember being like Daniels is closer
to Caleb than he is the rest of the group.
So to me, those would still be my top two.

(29:30):
I think cam Ward would fit into a tier with
Drake May where you're like, this guy has the physical bit,
like everything is that. I'm also never the person that
tries to get in the like in the mind of
a quarterback, because these teams have spent millions and millions
of dollars to make it a science and at best
they're fifty to fifty. So like when I watch quarterbacks,
I'm just looking at physical ability and stuff. I think

(29:53):
Ward fits in that group where like all all of
the talent and the skill set, is there some stuff
you need to work on those at the next level.

Speaker 4 (30:01):
And then I.

Speaker 5 (30:02):
Would put Sanders for me because I had I had
May third, and I think Ward slides in that tier.
Then I had like Nix and JJ McCarthy in a tier.
I think Sanders goes in that tier, and for me
that was the like this guy could play. I think
he's an NFL caliber quarterback. The skill the physical skills
are an elite, Like you're not gonna watch like I

(30:23):
watched cam warden and I'm like if this guy everything
breaks right for him, he could get to a point
where he's putting up numbers like a Lamar or or Alan.
And maybe that's too high, but like the skill set
is there. Sanders I don't think has that, but like
he could be a very good NFL quarterback if the
pieces around him are are good.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
I think, Lakwan, would you rather have Michael Pins?

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I know, Bonicks, I'm sorry, I just want I know.
This is like breathing for you, Bonex. That's why I
wasna say Michael Pinnox or should or Sanders?

Speaker 3 (30:57):
Which one? Would you rather build a round? Take a
your door?

Speaker 4 (31:00):
I have store a little bit higher. Actually he was
like kind of closer to Ward. When you go look
at how I have it on the list, it's Caleb
obviously Jaden, and then I got Ward and then I
got Sanders. And I say Sanders only because of that
football IQ. He understands the game, he understands how to
go out there and adapt, and you see it. He
goes in to programs that are unknown and he was

(31:20):
able to make it known. He goes to programs that
didn't really have the right pieces that were you know,
the offensive line was his biggest problem. He still went
out there to be accurate and to be talked about
as a top two prospects. So it's like one of
those situations where it's like I want the guy that
knows the game, that lives and breathe the game, then
can go out there and execute when given the information.
If he ends up in Cleveland, this does not work out.

(31:40):
But anyways, looking at it, and more so looking at it,
I think he will be above like some of the
JJ McCarthy's. The Michael Pennix, you know that we're seeing
now developed.

Speaker 5 (31:50):
And mixed.

Speaker 4 (31:54):
Right behind him on the list just because you can't
have ties, but it's just more so looking at what
he brings to the table as an overall quarterback.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, Pennix was the one that was the one for
me where I was like he and Sanders were sort
of neck and neck in my mind.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
I alould think that, you know, if.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
We're looking at the whole picture, I think because of
age and injury history, right, Michael Pennis had a pretty
lengthy injury history during his time at college.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
He was a little bit of an older prospect.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I think that would probably gear Shaduura a slight edge
for me, but I thought they were very SIMI I
think in terms of their outlook, their potential career outlook,
you know, I think I would probably take Sanders.

Speaker 3 (32:36):
I might take him ahead of JJ McCarthy.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Only because I'm cool with that.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
I just because I think McCarthy is still such an
unknown right. Obviously, he had success at Michigan, they won
a national championship, but also what he was asked to
do in college I think is going to be significantly
different than what he's going to be asked to do
in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
And again I'm not saying he can't.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
I just don't know Whereas at least I have a
body of work for Shudor Sanders, I've seen what he
can do. I think I've seen his full arsenal. I
think there's room to grow, but I've seen the basic
totality of.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
His skill set at this point. So that's that's kind
of where I would take him.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Tier two and the good number of guys Jackson Dart,
who I think is sort of on that cusp of
Tier one and Tier two, because there's a lot of
talk about him getting pulled up not just into the
first round, but maybe fairly high in the first round.
I've seen mock drafts where it goes Ward Sanders Dart
in the first three picks, which feels very aggressive to.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Me, but.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
I could see it being a first rounder. But top
three is insane.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
It feels it feels very aggressive.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
So I got Jackson Dart in Tier two, Tyler Shuck, which,
if you have seen it spelled shoug at h.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
It is a pronounced shuck.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
Quin.

Speaker 3 (33:59):
You ares jayly Milroe, Kyle McCord, Dylan Gabriel.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
I mean, my question is which guy makes the biggest
leap up draft boards? And for you, Lakwan, I'm gonna
say which non Jalen Milroe guy makes the biggest leap
up draft boards because I know I know how you
feel about Milroe. Yeah, I'm assuming that's the guy you
like the most out of this group. Is there somebody else?

Speaker 4 (34:20):
I was gonna say Quinn yours, but then you see
his pro day and he's thrown ducks up there, so
it's like, not too sure what the NFL, you know,
space thinks about where he can fit in. I don't
look at him as a Day one starter. But when
we're really talking about these quarterback prospects, you hear the
consensus this is not a quarterback draft, but you have
to make do with what's out there, the Dylan Gabriels

(34:41):
of the world that will Howard's like, these guys are
gonna find landing spots and there's gonna be some upsides,
Like I don't really see that much of a leaf
from anybody under Jalen Milroe and the Jackson Dark tier.
So it's more so of like, these guys are gonna
have to land in these spots with the right coaching
staff and all, etcetera, etcetera.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
But Quinn yours man, he.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
Would probably be the closest to I would think make
a leap just based on you know, last year with
the Texas and Longhorns, and I feel like he has
some accuracy issues, but he does have somewhat of an arm.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Which are these guys do you like the most?

Speaker 5 (35:12):
Florio, I mean it would be dark, but I think
Dart is firmly the QB three in this class. So
outside of him, for fantasy I with LQ like Jalen Milroe,
his upside is so high because he's so fast, he's
such a good runner.

Speaker 4 (35:30):
He has a strong arm, but he needs a lot
of work before.

Speaker 5 (35:34):
I think he can be an NFL starter, like I
don't like like LQ said, I don't think he's a
day one NFL starter someone who stood out to me,
Uh Tyler shuck.

Speaker 4 (35:44):
I I think he's a little underrated.

Speaker 5 (35:46):
I know he doesn't have like the best physical skill set,
Like he doesn't have the strongest arm.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
He's a good athlete, not a great athlete, but he's
mobile enough where he could beat people with.

Speaker 5 (35:57):
His legs in the in a chain moving sense. He's
never gonna be the guy running for twenty thirty yards.
He kind of reminded me of Ryan Fitzpatrick. He's like
a he's a gunslinger who doesn't realize he doesn't have
the gunslinger arm.

Speaker 4 (36:10):
But there there's not a throw that he.

Speaker 5 (36:12):
Doesn't think he can make it. So to me, I
think he's fun. I think he's got some upside. But really,
I think Dart is the only one of these guys
that has a chance of being a long term starter.
I think this class is going to present a lot
of like quality backups, and look, kudos to these guys
because being a backup quarterback is the best job in
the world.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
But I just don't know if it has enough high
end upside for these guys to become starters.

Speaker 3 (36:38):
Fun fact, Tyler Schuck was a backup to Justin Herbert
at Oregon, Ah, like many years ago. He is Wait
a second, it's like in twenty eighteen he was wow,
a backup too.

Speaker 4 (36:56):
Yeah, he's years.

Speaker 3 (36:57):
Old, so he's been around for a while.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
It's his own insurance, he does he you know Justin
Herbert a year and a half actually.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Because in fact, if I remember correct, he actually got
to Oregon the same time as Pine Sewel.

Speaker 3 (37:16):
They were in the same recruiting Class's.

Speaker 2 (37:19):
Old, he's uh, he's a little bit he's a little
bit experienced.

Speaker 3 (37:23):
Yes, he's been around a lot.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
And I know, look, I know that sometimes draft Twitter
or draft Blue Sky or whatever you want to call
it can be.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
I don't know, how do you say?

Speaker 2 (37:36):
He he just but also unorthodox too, write because I
you know, at the beginning of this whole process, I
did see a lot of people propping up Tyler Shuck, right,
And I think it goes both ways. You definitely see
a lot of people who are like, he's old, I'm out,
But a lot of people who sort of looked at
him and looked at kind of his skill set and
really just kind of ignored the numbers because if you

(37:58):
look at the stats, there's nothing that blows you away
statistically about Tyler Shuck. He had a good final season
his third senior year, which was at Louisville, nearly thirty
two hundred yards that season, but before that never really
got enough playing time, whether it's at Oregon or Sexist Tech,

(38:19):
to really make much of an impact.

Speaker 3 (38:21):
But a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Who kind of were sucked into that final year, and
you know, I even saw somebody and again this might
be a little reactionary suggest that he probably should be
considered in the.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
Top three quarterbacks in this class.

Speaker 2 (38:35):
Again, little aggressive for my taste, but I know that
that got me all choked up. I know that I
thought process was out there a little bit. But it
would seem like Floria that Milroe has the most fantasy upside.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Is that fair? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (38:54):
Because what he can do as a runner, I mean
he's a better runner than Sanders than Ward. He's the
best running quarter back in this draft class. And I
don't think it's even close, like at the very least,
if he doesn't work out as a quarterback, like find
ways to get this guy to the ball in hand,
like let him do trick play something, because like, like
he's a phenomenal athlete. But the whole thing time we

(39:17):
were talking about Chuck's age, Marcus, I had two thoughts
in mind. One, this Auburn team that's in the Final
four right now. It's a team of grown men going
up against eighteen year olds, so like it's kind of
similar to that. But Brandon Whedon was what I kept thinking,
because that's my favorite quarterback story of all time.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
But like Brandon Whedon at least left school to go
play baseball for a while, Like he wasn't just like
hanging around.

Speaker 5 (39:43):
Baseball failed that. He was like, you know what, I'll
be a college quarterback again. I'll get drafted at twenty eight.

Speaker 3 (39:49):
Yeah, I think when Oklahoma brown around when he's Yeah. Yeah,
that was one that.

Speaker 4 (39:58):
I think everyone knew immediately.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
But yeah, this is a gonna work out.

Speaker 4 (40:02):
I'm sorry you made the wrong decision.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah again, Yeah, yeah, that one for sure didn't didn't
quite work out though, So we didn't even mention like
Kyle McCord, Dylan Gabriel, I think these are guys who
are you know, I think they're sort of destined to
be career backups at best.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
I would think in the NFL a.

Speaker 5 (40:22):
Lot of screens in Bolt, like I was excited to
see McCord. It's all screens.

Speaker 4 (40:27):
Where should you put the Tier three quarterbacks versus the
twenty twenty one quarterback draft twenty twenty one? Yes, the
mac joneses other world.

Speaker 3 (40:37):
Oh yeah, that was a rough that was a rough year.
We should do that? Which should which? If I you
know so?

Speaker 2 (40:47):
By the one just me patting myself on the kind
of propping up my own work.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
Every year, I'm.

Speaker 2 (40:52):
Fortunate to do a little thing that shows up on
YouTube called the Hit, miss or meh, where I go
through the first round of the draft for certain years
and I determined whether or not each player, as the
title suggests, was a hit, a miss, or a mah.
The one that's doing to come out very soon is
the twenty twenty one draft year, and.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
I mean the first Let let's go the first five picks.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Trevor Lawrence, Yah, Zach Wilson, Miss, Miss Trey Lance, Miss
Kyle Pitts.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
May Man, see you guys are sick.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
You're still on the train, Get off of it. As
a rookie.

Speaker 3 (41:37):
Nope, Jamar Chase easily a hit. Yeah, Chase a hit.
So much hate from Bengals fans for that one.

Speaker 4 (41:52):
You should just slip that one in there, like clearly
a miss, yeah miss?

Speaker 2 (41:56):
See what happens you keep going? Number six Jalen Waddle,
I think it's a hit. Yeah, Sewell, certainly a hit.

Speaker 3 (42:05):
J C. Horn probably a hit. He just got paid, right, Yeah,
he just got paid. Pats are saying the second a
hit for sure. Yeah. And then number ten DeVonta Smith,
I would say a hit.

Speaker 4 (42:17):
So I'm look, you get once you.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Get past the top four picks, I think you know,
the rest of the top ten looks pretty good.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, So there it is.

Speaker 4 (42:28):
Did did the Rams have a pick in that one?

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Or is that when they were just selling that's where
they were, like, that's where they were as Yeah, they
did not.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
They did not have a first round pick. That's when
last year was our first one in the McVay era.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
I mean, the draft is more fun when you have picks.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Yeah, yeah, it's Lestene just didn't want to show up
on Thursday. He's like, you know what, I was, show
up on Friday.

Speaker 3 (42:51):
We'll be fine.

Speaker 5 (42:52):
Are getting to the Rams House this year. What are
we getting in to the Rams House?

Speaker 3 (42:58):
Oh, if we can get that done, yes, house content
from you we have.

Speaker 5 (43:03):
If we can't get it done, you got to find
a way to sneak in man like and you're just
on the couch.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Would be great contentt just you know on TikTok getting
escorted out of a building.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
You gotta wear a GoPro as you do it, though. Yes,
just make sure you got bail mode real quick.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
It's here three quarterbacks that I have here, Riley Leonard,
Will Howard, Max Brosmer, Curtis Rourke, Brady Cook.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
I'm lak.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
You've already said lo ol. So I know how you
feel about this Florido. Any any maybe Dynasty guys here.
I mean we're not talking about Redraft, but any guys
who you know, maybe break through this thing for Dynasty.

Speaker 4 (43:45):
Maybe Riley Leonard. I was talking to a friend of
mine last night who's a big Notre Dame fan, and
he was like, he's he's not great as a passer,
but he's a good runner. He was like, I think
his ceiling is.

Speaker 5 (43:55):
Maybe being like a Taysom Hill gadget type player. But
I'm like that's something at least has fantasy relevance, right.

Speaker 4 (44:02):
I think when we're getting this deep in a.

Speaker 5 (44:04):
Class where I already don't like the QB two stars,
that we're really scraping the battle here.

Speaker 2 (44:11):
Yeah, that's probably fair, But you know, maybe maybe the
Broncos draft him and Sean Payton figures out something to
do with him.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Did he fix Zach Wilson?

Speaker 4 (44:18):
Do we know yet?

Speaker 3 (44:19):
I don't know. I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
No, Zach Wilson's not even in Denver anymore. So, no,
like Zach Wilson's in Miami this year.

Speaker 4 (44:27):
So yeah, teams wanted Zach Wilson, though I don't know.
Side note, I definitely don't want to see another Taysom
Hill in the league. Can we just like that he
can have that crown. It was a time and life
and fantasy where it was great.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
No more, no Moss please.

Speaker 2 (44:44):
I mean, look, we're gonna we're gonna have it again
where it's gonna be some player that does multiple things
and then people are going to scream at us about
positional eligibility.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
Oh, Travis Hunter, welcome to the party.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Yeah, that's gonna be different, though, I mean, I guess
if you're an IDP league. Potentially that may have some impact.
But you know, this isn't like it's not gonna be
like a Taysom Hill thing. Who was it was at
the time Montgomery, who was the Packer.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
All, yeah, he broke.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
Fantasy that one year, because he absolutely broke fantasy one
year the great, the great positional wars of like you know,
twenty sixteen, we're trying to figure out what to do
with time Montgomery, which, by the way, in sim Montgomery's
best season, he got you eight hundred and five scrimmageyards
and three touchdowns, right.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
While he were screaming for him to be like dual eligible,
like he also was not really actually valuable.

Speaker 5 (45:40):
Shows were dedicated to like what position should he and
like in retrospect, it's like, why why didn't you care?

Speaker 2 (45:47):
I almost quit Twitter. I can't deal with y'all argue
with me about this, Like it's not that serious?

Speaker 4 (45:53):
Was it that year he fumbled on the kick return?
He was a Packer and we won the game?

Speaker 3 (45:57):
I believe, so probably the Rams. All things lead back
to the RAMS.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
It's it's almost it's almost like they're a you know,
malevolent multinational corporation that poisons their employee's brains and that
sort of thing, which I don't know. There's no particular
reason I mentioned that at all. Take a break, come back,
and we'll talk about maybe why. I might have mentioned
that it's coming up next on the NFL Fantasy Football Pod.

(46:28):
All right, So this show has sort of unofficially become
kind of a severance podcast here. It started because Florida
and I have been talking about the show for a
good year plus and we convinced la Kwan that he
should be watching it as well, and we were surprised
by how quickly you got through season one, only to

(46:50):
find out that you blew through season two in like
forty eight hours basically, So spoiler alert for anybody who
has not finished the show yet, including our producer, who
our producer, Kyrie Douglas, you are.

Speaker 3 (47:05):
You are welcome to hit stop, to walk away, what
have you.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
We're gonna talk about what happened at the end of
season two because Lakwan, I know, is on absolute fire
after having watched it.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
So I mean, just take it away. Your thoughts on
season two, the season finale and then all of that.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
The finale was a masterpiece, man, and like it was
worth the hour and twenty one minutes. And like, my
favorite scene we were talking in the chat was like
when Mark was going back and forth with his self
with the camera, Like that was such a great scene
to where it's like I can only imagine myself talking
to myself and what I would think and how I
would be talking to myself. But ultimately, like at the

(47:46):
end of season two where you know spoiler alert, where
you know he gets Mark's wife out and they're at
the exit door and then he hits that you turn
to his other girlfriend, it's like, yo, what are you doing?

Speaker 3 (47:59):
But we had a.

Speaker 4 (48:01):
Conversation debate me and Florio about any versus Audi, and
I'm mean, Audi, Bro, your team any teen Audi. Mark,
he got his wife, but he didn't get hisself out
of that door. And if I'm telling myself, like, Bro,
I have twenty years with my wife. You got twenty
minutes with your girlfriend. You better get my wife out

(48:24):
of there.

Speaker 3 (48:25):
We're gonna have some brothers. Did he did? He did?

Speaker 4 (48:28):
He didn't get me out of there.

Speaker 2 (48:29):
That's why that's why I am That's why I'm team
any because he did what was asked of him.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
The mission was get Jimma out. He did that. At
that point, he had no more obligation to do anything else.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
And in fact, for the first time ever in his existence,
he actually got to make his own choice for himself.
He'd never been able to choose anything for himself previously,
ever before, and so he took an opportunity to make
a choice for himself.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
Now pause, he did not complete the mission.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
She's just standing up. She's still in the building.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
But that's on her.

Speaker 4 (49:06):
She's on her.

Speaker 3 (49:08):
What his job was to get her out, That was
the job, and the job is building.

Speaker 4 (49:14):
That's not out.

Speaker 5 (49:15):
But Audi Mark does some messed up stuff though, like
we were talking about this offline. But he tells him,
I started uh reintegration because it's unfair to you, Like, no,
you didn't, bro you're lying to me right there.

Speaker 3 (49:27):
And also you.

Speaker 5 (49:29):
Created me to be a prisoner in where all I
get to do is work for these awful people that
you now know are awful. And at no point, like
he even says, he's like, if you ever took a
interest in my life and what I loved is when
he calls her Helena, he says he thinks his name
is and markets upset.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
It takes you back to when.

Speaker 5 (49:53):
Uh no, he doesn't call her Helena. Helena is the Audi.
But when when the Audis are having dinner and Helena
is like, oh, what's your wife's name? She says it
the wrong way and Audi market's really upset. So like
you see that they're the same kind of person, same reaction,
all of that.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yeah, No, I'm I'm team any Mark all day.

Speaker 2 (50:14):
Also, Also, we should petition the folks at NFL Media
to get a choreography in marrit department. We just need
we need a choreography in merriment. We need somebody to
lead a band. Uh just you know, instead of town
hall meetings, we just have an HBCU band come and
play and then we all have we all have waffles

(50:36):
and it becomes a thing.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
So yeah, I'll say this. I I know there's a.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Season three coming. I look forward to it. If they
decided that that was just the way the show ended,
I'm also fine with that.

Speaker 4 (50:49):
No, I'll be angry because I'm gonna be angry if
season three starts and she's still in the building and
she's back in the basement, because I think it's gonna flip.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
Well, that's her fault, then no blaming them.

Speaker 2 (51:00):
It seems oh my god, that is walking walk upstairs,
walk out like you're out of the building. And and
after Mark has gone around the corner, what are you
gonna do? Go away, call the cops leeve like it's
at some point you still have the free will to
go do things like if you stand there and you
get arrested or you get captured and sent back in

(51:20):
the building, it's kind on you.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
It's kind on you.

Speaker 4 (51:24):
I will be so mad at my inny to where
like I would just punch myself in the face every
day You're going into work bad and bruised my one.

Speaker 5 (51:35):
I want to know what how they got Jemma there
in the first place, you know, like how they had
a fake body of hers to show Mark and stuff.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
I want to know that.

Speaker 5 (51:44):
But I think season three is going to be done
trying to get Mark out, because I don't think Luman
is gonna allow Mark to leave anymore.

Speaker 4 (51:51):
Like, yeah, they know, they clearly know too much.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
You don't have to figure because Mark Dylan. I mean,
we'll see what happens with Irving, whether or not Irving
is just gone. Now you know, there's a lot, there's
there's still some questions to be answered. But I also
sort of fall into the opinion of so many shows now,
especially science fiction or fantasy, feel the need to have

(52:17):
to explain to you every last detail for every last character,
and sometimes the world is just what it is and
it doesn't necessarily need an explanation. And I felt like
it was a great ending to the season, but it
also sort of could have like I don't know if
you guys ever watched Watchmen on HBO, but I thought
that was a perfect It was one season and the

(52:38):
way it ended was very much an open question of like, wait,
what's happening, but also was the perfect way to end
it because it let.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
You sort of decide on your own what happened next.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
And I think I think sometimes we get too caught
up on needing closure, and then when we get an ending,
we're unhappy with that ending.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
Whereas it's it was, it was left to be up
to the viewer, and then when the viewers eventually pressured
the writer, he was like spoiler alert.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
He's like, no, that's Tony dying.

Speaker 5 (53:10):
And then everyone hated that, and oh, Bert, Bert is
a bad guy. I'm telling you because Bert is a
bad guy that field is like, you worked there for
twenty years and then they're like, no, it's only been twelve.
And my care is he's not severed at all. I
think he's a mole as well.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
I think he's I think he's a henchman right where
he I don't think he's thinking about the morality of it.
It's a job and he's doing the job that he
has been tasked to do. And I don't think morality.

Speaker 4 (53:46):
Has my mentalities.

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Man, just look at him. No it is, I mean
I don't.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
I don't think right or wrong comes into it. I
think it's it's doing the job. I think that's all
it is. But yeah, in the end, Bert ends up
being a bad guy because of the things he has
had asked.

Speaker 3 (54:00):
To do are bad.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
And he's already said he was a bad guy before
he worked there, which.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Yeah, well that was the reason he has severed, because
that was the reason he got severed, was to sort of.

Speaker 4 (54:11):
I think he's lying. I don't think he's actually severed.

Speaker 3 (54:14):
Nah, he's still a mobster.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
Well way, we should we should put together a doc
a Google doc of questions to send to Ben Stiller.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
And have you guys seen all the stuff that the
crew is getting to do now.

Speaker 5 (54:27):
It's I'm so happy for them, Like because outside of
Adam Scott, they're not household names yet.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
Dylan was in Spider Man do Backflip his little sketchy voice.

Speaker 5 (54:42):
But I'm just like, they're going to London, They're on
all these every talk show you could think of right now,
Like I'm hoping they get more roles, like mister Miltchick
should get his emmy right now, Adam Scott should get
his emmy right now.

Speaker 3 (54:54):
Like yeah, for sure, for sure.

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Yeah, It's it's very cool because I kind of like
I remember seeing Dela and on he was on an
early episode of Succession where he gets he gets made
fun of.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
He gets there because I thought I was watching Severn
when Successions on HBO.

Speaker 3 (55:11):
Yeah, you said that this doesn't seem like the show
they're watching.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
I do.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
I do recall that absolutely.

Speaker 5 (55:21):
I've actually never.

Speaker 4 (55:22):
I've started Succession and then I gave up on it
a couple episodes in.

Speaker 2 (55:25):
Yeah, I mean it's worth watching, but they're all terrible people.
Just know that going in that that speaking of which, that's.

Speaker 4 (55:31):
The white loadus this season. I don't know if you
guys have watched that.

Speaker 3 (55:34):
It's on my list. I haven't gotten the season.

Speaker 4 (55:36):
It's interesting, it's weird.

Speaker 3 (55:38):
I'll tell you that right off the bat.

Speaker 2 (55:41):
Well, I'm still u still digging through the righteous gem stones.
And then maybe I'll get to about that. It's very funny,
very funny. Danny Danny bride Is is a master, so
I love him.

Speaker 3 (55:52):
There you go, there it is all right, there you go.

Speaker 2 (55:54):
So that's a rap about Severs. Now we have to
find a new show to bully LaQuan into watching or something.

Speaker 3 (55:59):
I don't figure.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
Have you ever watched Breaking Bad? Or better call Saul?
I watched Breaking Bad? Or You're Gonna be so mad?
I never finished the last season, all right, that is
the best season. No, I never finished it. I got
away to the point where they're on the run, and yeah,
what about Thrones? The Sopranos, No Sopranos. I started it
by It's Jersey Man, No Man, and I love Goodfellas.

(56:25):
It's one of my favorite movies.

Speaker 3 (56:27):
Did they shoot most of it in like Delaware or something?

Speaker 5 (56:29):
They know A lot of it was in Queen's Actually,
Like my one fun story is I worked one day
on the set of the sopranos, and all I had
to do was set up cones when cars would move.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Man.

Speaker 5 (56:42):
Yeah, they were like, hey, you want I was in college.
They threw me like a hundred bucks or whatever. They
were like, sit out here like six am on and
anytime a car leaves, throw a cone there.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
All right, there you go, all right, so we can
maybe next episode we're gonna have more tales of uh,
you know, Michael f Florio as a I brought that
work show stage hand or whatever. Anyway, there it is
our little wrap up of severance, our little look at
the quarterbacks in the draft.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
We will move on to the next position coming up.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
We're also efforting a number of different guests from a
number of different venues arenas try to give us some
more insight into the draft and some of the prospects there.

Speaker 3 (57:22):
So stay tuned for all that as well.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
In the meantime, better do it for this edition of
the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Stay happy, safe and healthy,
do good and live well.

Speaker 3 (57:30):
Praise here. I will talk to you again on Thursday.

Speaker 5 (58:00):
Got the word