April 8, 2025 • 57 mins
Marcas Grant, Michael F. Florio, and LaQuan Jones start the show with the latest NFL news including a potential three-headed backfield in New York and the 49ers tipping their hand about drafting a running back. (4:09)
Then Grant, Florio, and Jones take a deep dive into the running back prospects in this year’s draft and explain which players will need a good landing spot in order to be fantasy relevant (18:50).
The guys wrap the show with a look at some later-round running backs who could make a major impact for your fantasy team in 2025! (45:16)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, everybody, It's Tuesday, April eighth, twenties twenty five. Welcome
to the NFL Fantasy Football Pie. We're still recovering from
our weekend at Big Deans. It's me and your man,
NAMG Marcus Grant, joined by Michael Florio and Lakwan Jones. Yeah, fellas,
(00:23):
we actually got to like see each other in the wild.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
This yeah sort of pretty weird. Yeah, yeah, who are you?
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I know for you guys listening, you know, and look,
I know there are people out there who listen to
the show, and you guys do pods and you have
your podcast partners that you probably don't live near. But
for a lot of you, like we do this show
and we don't actually see each other in person very often.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We're recording all this from home.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Uh. You know, Lakwan you you you brought your kids
out to my my son's birthday party, Yah, about a
week and a half ago, which thanks.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
A lot taller? Did you get taller?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That was It was funny because like, you know, like
the party was like a week and a half ago,
and I realized when I got there, like that was
the first time I've seen you in person since before Christmas.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yes, like a whole different calendar year.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Like, oh my god, wow, I haven't seen you.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
In person in real life since twenty twenty four, Floria.
We saw each other over the weekend. We broke beers
and have burgers with our pal, Mike Fayela.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Uh and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
It was somebody seen you in real life and maybe
maybe a month so I'm like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Do we see each other in March for free agency
or anything?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Not even sure? Yeah, I mean it might.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
It might be January, which is so crazy. We need
to change that. It can't happen again.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, we should.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
We should probably you know, see each other I r
L especially because we don't, you know, theoretically live.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
That far from one another.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
But you know, hey, listeners, we we are all actually
friends off of the show too.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Hello, Yes, that's why all this kind of works. People
ask me that a lot. I don't know if you
guys get it.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
They're like, do you guys actually hang out when you're
not talking fake football?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm like, yeah, yeah, I mean we tried to, but
obviously I just I gave away the game right now.
Yeah that often? So yeah, but we did get together
and it was fun. It was a good time for sure.
We do have a lot to talk about because we
are still doing our draft preview. Positionally, this week we
do not make running backs into two shows. We decided
(02:25):
to make wide receivers into two shows. So today and
Thursday we will be talking about running backs.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Fun guest.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
On Thursday, we'll be talking with JJ Zacharieson kind of
getting some of his takes on this running back class. Yeah,
we'll do some at a time that is convenient for
East Coast dads, so he will hopefully still be awake
when we talk to him, so that'll be fun. And
then next week, teasing ahead, we will do wide receivers
(02:54):
on Tuesday and Thursday, and we are slated we have
next Tuesday to talk to Matt Harmon, he of Reception Perception,
former alum of this very podcast, now doing his thing.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Over at Yahoo as well, so we'll get his thoughts.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Look, it comes to talking wide receivers, I can't think
of anybody else that I want to talk to about it,
So we're gonna get Harmon on next week to.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Talk about that at all.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Speaking of wide receivers as well, I got a whole
lot of news here for y'all tomorrow, we are releasing
a special standalone episode of this show where we had
a chance to talk to Adam Feelin and you may
have seen the clip floating around on x Twitter of
us shotty with Adam Feeling. We had a great conversation.
We talked to him for about twenty minutes about everything
(03:38):
from the Panthers and the expectations for Bryce Young. We
got his thoughts on Severance as well, So I guess
that's an early spoiler alert if you have not faced,
if you have not finished season two of Severance, just
a spoiler alert. We talked to Adam Feeling about it
at the end of the interview, but a lot of fun.
We're really glad to get him on the show to
talk to him and get his thoughts there. But let's
(04:00):
dive in because there are a couple of news headlines,
news ish headlines that.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Are worth talking about.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
The first one in New York with the New York Jetropolitans.
There is talk from head coach Aaron Glenn if they
want a three headed running back attack for the Jets
offense and Florio. I can't think of another phrase in
the fantasy lexicon that makes your stomach turn more than a.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Three headed backfield.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
We have reached the point I think that we can
sort of navigate two man backfields. You can sort of
figure out what the role is going to be for
each guy. If it's a three headed backfield. For the Jets,
if they're really doing this, I mean, I guess we're
still drafting Breese Hall. But how far down does he fall?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I think he falls.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Like Look, when we did our mocks each month, he
has been a round one pick each time, and I
keep being like, I don't get it, Like I don't
see him still has a first round pick. I think
second round or even third round. Now with this new
report coming out, it feels a lot more appropriate. You're
getting a little bit less price for the risk now
(05:13):
that is being added there.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
This all comes from one reporter who sat down with
Aaron Glenn. Look, I'm not saying they're lying or anything,
but it's early April, I think.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
That, and when this interview happened was probably March. Like,
I think that.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Is important to remember in the grand scheme of things.
It's easy today to say we want three running backs involved,
but if they're still saying this late August, after training.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Camp and everything.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
My tune would be very different, But for right now,
I do feel like bris Hall should not be a
first round pick. He should slide a little bit. And
the other thing with this report is it was written
by Rich Simonini from ESPN, and he has a line
in there that's like, wonder if the Jets would trade
bres Hall and draft ash and gents, And.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
The Internet was like, that's what the Jets are.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Doing and like they ran wild with it, and it's like, no,
he was just speculating. So I think that rumors what
caught fire, and it shouldn't be It should be the
fact that they're talking about wanting to use three running
backs and he comes from a team that very successfully
used two.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Three is a lot harder though, like you said, Marcus,
the navigate.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Well one, yes, they used two very effectively in Detroit,
but also look at who those two were, right, it
was David Montgomery, who while Montgomery has never been flashy,
he's never been like a big time splash guy, He's
consistently productive throughout his career, whether it was in Chicago
or Detroit. And then they go out and they draft
Jamior Gibbs, who is a big play threat, kind of
(06:41):
a home run waiting to happen, a guy who can
get you chunk plays.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
So like those were the two. So then I guess
that begs the question.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Lakwan, all right, we're drafting Breeze Hall, right, we're expecting
him to be the front line there after that. Is
it Braylan Allen or is Isaiah Davis you're putting your
chip on?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
First of all, when has a three headed backfield actually
work for real life football? Like I have not seen
it executed and actually.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Might work for us, Like oh yeah yeah, Like I
think this was just more so like just to put
all the fantasy community just in chaos at this point,
and like.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
If there had to be a chip to place, I
guess Braylan Allen. But for me, I'm fading all around.
I mean, honestly, Breese Hall, Chris a Lobby, they're in
the Satral discontent. There's going to be a rookie this
episode that's going to fall in that bag as well.
And I'm actually gonna get a Satral. I'm gonna order it,
and it's going to be them in the bag that's coming.
But Anyway, I definitely feel as though, like, when do
(07:42):
you look at this backfield? All you want is breaste
Hall to be unleashed, Like his efficiency has dropped down
since his rookie year. We want rookie year. What we
are robbed from from that injury, that's the Breeshaul we want,
that's the full out the gate Bristall running back one.
This is his backfield. We're getting robbed from that already
in April, and I just feel like, no, what you've
(08:04):
been pissing me off? I'm kind of turned off. I'm
fading the whole situation.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, by the way, you mentioned Florio, the rumor about
what they trade breeze, Haulling draft, Ashton Junty. You guys
know this from living out here on the West Coast
is that when you wake up sometimes in the morning,
the rumor.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Mill is already churning.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
The East Coast dads have been up for a while
and they're already sort of, you know, dissecting the rumors
and trying to figure out what it means. And for
those of us who you know, wake up a little
bit later, you're you're stuck playing catchup. And that was
me one day just like, wait, what wait, the Jets
are trading Breeze, what's happening here?
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And it took me a.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
While to sort of catch up to what exactly started
this whole thing and started this fire. And I was
kind of like, Oh, this is one person just speculating,
just throwing.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Something out there.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It was not all that, not that there was any
actual conversation about.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I was.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I was utterly confused. I will tell you that the
whole time. The other thing though, that worries me about
this whole thing, even if it is just a two
headed attack, right, let's just say it ends up being
Breeze Hall and Braylan Allen. Justin Fields is now the
starting quarterback for the New York Jets, And I don't
(09:25):
know that this offense, especially now with a defensive minded
head coach, which side notes of that is the thing
we did talk to Adam Feelin about. I don't know
that with a defensive minded head coach and Justin Fields
at quarterback, that a two headed running back attack is
going to be enough to sustain us for fantasy. I
(09:48):
you know, we like Fields Florido because he runs with
the football.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
That is what we want.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
But does this offense project to be high volume enough
that we can think that Fields can do what Fields
does and that there's still gonna be enough for one,
let alone two other running backs to go out there
and prosper for us.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
No, it's a it's a very good question, and it's
going to depend on how the Jets operate.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
As an offense. Are they going to be a hurry
up offense? I don't know, because you said defensive coach
and want to run the ball, control the clock.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
My thinking originally was like, think of the option plays
and the running LANs that Fields could create for Hall
and and Fields last year was throwing a lot of
passes to running backs. But yeah, if these touches are
now getting divvied up and stuff, it's going to be
a headache. And one thing I was just thinking, like,
we do this a lot as a fantasy community. I
(10:45):
think where where like the coaches are holding these players back,
But breathe Hall, Like you were saying, o Q got
worse and worse efficiency wise each year.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
At some point, it's kind.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Of like breathe Hall is also kind of a factor
in this as well, and he not living.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Up to the expectation.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
So Satral I go, right now, I'm looking at consensus rankings,
and Breece Hall is ahead of like Ashon gen T,
Kyrien Williams, James Cook. I would take all of those
guys over Breece Hall right now.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I think that changes.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I also think that, you know, sometimes it takes a
little bit of time for some of these things to
catch up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I'm so I'm looking.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I'm looking at David Montgomery's numbers. Right He played two
seasons with Justin Fields in Chicago, and in those two
seasons he was running back twenty and running back twenty one.
The year after that he left for he went to Detroit.
Fields was still in Chicago for one more year. The
(11:42):
running back situation was not particularly great in Field's final
year there. I mean the guys behind him in the backfield,
you know, you had you had Khalil Herbert who had
just over six hundred rushing yards.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You had Deontay Foreman.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You had Rushawn Johnson that was his rookie year and
he was, you know, getting a little bit of work there.
You had three very unsatisfactory options for fantasy in that
backfield with Justin Fields. But Lakwan, even as even if
you may be down on Breese Hall, I suspect you
would still take him over Herbert Foreman or Roshawn Johnson.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Correct, absolutelyolutely, freaking lotely, that is a disgusting trio.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
You just said, yeah, I mean so like there's that.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean, I guess there's the issue of Okay, there's
still some talent back there. But the whole thing makes
me very, very nervous. Again, even if it's just a
two headed monster in New York, I think the idea
of Justin Fields being the quarterback there means that you know,
I don't know at best, is Breecee Hall still in
RB one And I'm at this moment in early April
(12:51):
not one hundred percent sure that he is. So just
kind of something to keep in mind, for sure. The
other bit of news more running back news, the forty
nine ers Kyle Shanahan saying that Christian McCaffrey is healthy
but they would still consider adding a running back in
the draft. Lakwan, I will ask you, because you are
(13:14):
forty nine or hater in chief here, do you expect
the Niners to add a running back in the draft?
And does that with that impact. How you look at
Christian McCaffrey and fantasy drafts.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I wouldn't look at him different, but they are one
hundred percent drafting a running back. It's kind of like
him and McVeigh, you know, Shanahan and McVay since the
McVeagh air in twenty seventeen. They're drafting a running back.
They want to have that room full of talent, and
that's what Shanahan has displayed. That's how he was able
to find like a Jordan Mason, and how he was
able to step up when CMC went down like they
always want the next guy up. SAMC is going to
(13:50):
be healthy now in April when we talk about it,
but it's not going to be a situation that's going
to be one hundred percent as the season goes on.
I mean, he's getting up there in age. These injuries
are starting to get up to him. May see a
slight dipping, you know, opportunity for him, but he is
still the RB one of this Shanahan's offense. So I'm
not going to be shying away from taking him in
that second round where he's kind of falling in that
(14:11):
early second round, mid second round. I still would take
him because it's still CMC. He could still catch the ball,
he's still explosive, all these great things that we know
about his game. It's just that you just have to
have your expectations in order and stay ready so you
don't have to get ready when people. When I go
on this Mike and say draft to backup, draft Jordan Mason,
how I was saying, listen, you have to go get
(14:33):
the backup for CMC, and you do that with Isaac
Garrendo or whoever they draft. Just have this start, have
your stable ready for that backfield.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
It feels floyal like we are sort of with McCaffrey now,
where we were back in twenty nineteen, where there was
a lot of like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
He's injury prone.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I'm constessly not even twenty I think probably twenty twenty two, right,
he just missed a couple of seasons with some major injuries,
and it was very much like I don't know, oh,
should you do this. That was also the year he
got traded midway through the season to San Francisco and
then blossomed once again into this absolute fantasy monster. The
difference now is that he's a little bit closer to
(15:14):
thirty than he was, you know three four years ago.
Does that Lakwan talked about him dropping down into the
second round? Does that make that second round draft price?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And I guess how willing how early are you willing
to pull the trigger on him?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Second round feels appropriate?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I go back and forth because it's not just the
fact that he's closer to thirty, it's the injury he
had last year, which was the Achilles tendonitis, which they
said was from wearing tear. And I remember the reports
were like this might never go away and stuff like that.
And anytime I hear achilles, I panic because I do
(15:54):
believe it is the worst injury a player could suffer,
and it I'm look. I know there was that one
half a year where cam Akers looked pretty good.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
JK.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Dobbins rebounded last year, but for the most part, there's
not a lot of success stories coming back from a
torn achilles so and I know he didn't tear his
or anything like that, but it's just the nature of
that injury gives me a lot of pause. But if
you take CMC, you need to take the handcuff. We
might not even know who that is. You might have
(16:26):
to take two running backs like whichever one they draft
and Isaac Grendo. But I'm a big believer that it
does not Matt Like obviously CMC is like the chars
art of the the Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Pokemon Evolution ones.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
But like, I don't care who it is, they are
going to be productive in this Kyle Shanahan run system.
We have seen ten years of this going all the
way back to his Alfred Morris days and stuff that like,
whoever is going to lead running back in his offense
is going to produce for fantasy.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, wow, we had an Alfred Morristrup. Did you just
drop a Carlos Hide in there too?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Oh, Carlos Hide. I mean that season was amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Loose Hide man, Alguappo Man, that was. That was a
short period in time, but you know it worked out
decently well.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Moster Jeff Wilson, Elijah Mitchell. I'm trying to think the
list just goes on. I can get sixty.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
No, you can't, although you also think you can fight
a kangaroo, So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Man, all right, we're not going to get into that again,
because I could definitely beat a kangaroo.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I really see the wheels turning in your head because
I said that right, Like.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
No, you can't. You can't rush for sixty and you
can't fight a kangaroo. I'm sorry, kangaroo.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Can I get a forty?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Run a forty four?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Five forty? Yes? I get How fast can you?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Four five four five four six for six four to seven.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Were Credio segment on this show called The Kwan Jones's
Tales of Awesomeness, where you just sit here and you
tell us, like all the things that you can do.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
It's about the confidence, man, It's about the confidence. The
thing is, at one point recently you were like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Remember the last time I ran as fast as I could,
And now you're living four to six.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
The climb out here, trying to run like an NFL
tight end, Like what do you do?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Like?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Four to six is legit good for NFL people.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
That's fast, that's fa man. All right, all.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Right, we are going to actually talk about guys who
actually do run fast and can gain sixty yards in
an NFL game. We're gonna dive into some of these
running backs here, broke them down into four tiers. We're
gonna spread this out over the remainder of the show,
stick around and get back to you here on the
NFL Fantasy Football podcast, trying to.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Dive into some running back draft prospects.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Broke these things down into four different tiers as though,
as we have been throughout this conversation. So, uh, Tier one,
a man all by himself is Ashton Gen You've heard
the name a Ton already. You're gonna hear it a
ton more in the next couple of weeks before the draft.
Actually average by I hear it a lot more after
he gets drafted. We know what his landing spot is
(19:13):
going to be. But the question I always ask Florio
is he a can't misregardless of landing spot.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yes, I believe so. I think, Well, here's a hot take.
He's good.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
I think he's one of these running backs that, regardless
of where he ends up, he is going to be
highly highly productive in the NFL. Landing spot for him
will determine just how good he is year one, But
I think he's going to be like a top twenty
fantasy running back regardless of where he goes. But there's
certain situations that could prop him into the top ten
(19:48):
quite easily, like and I know people, I was on
a show yesterday where I got asked like, oh, the
Raiders have a bad O line.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Is that concerning?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
And I'm like, it's not ideal, But he is the
type of runner that is so physical and just runs
defenders over that like he'll be able to overcome that.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Obviously.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
My example was something like Saquon, Like Saquon was great
with the Giants, but then you put him in a
great situation and he became the best running back ever.
Like I think gent is one of those prospects like
he's going to be very, very good because he's a
bowling ball. He literally shattered the PFF record for miss
(20:26):
tackles force and not just like last year like in
their whole era.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
It was one oh five I believe.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
And then he put up like one fifty four, like
he dominated it yards after contact, monster home run hitter.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I also think he's a better pass catcher than he
gets credit for. He didn't get a lot of targets
in college, but when he did, he was effective with them.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I mean, Laquantitt feels like you're going to have to
spend a first round pick on him. Yeah, yeah, I
mean so I like, so you sigde, which I was
gonna ask, like, are you are you cool with it?
I'm I mean, I know that's where we are with
top level running back prospects, Like we find a guy
we like, that's just what it's going to have to be.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
But are you willing to pay that price?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yes? And I say that because he'll be going at
the back end of the first round, So Gibbs, Jon
and Barkley will be going in that first round. So
if you want somebody that can be in that conversation,
you're gonna have to spend that late first round on genty.
You're gonna have to get him to be that solid
RB one that you're looking for. If you're looking for
(21:30):
guys that are in that conversation now landing spot. It
may even shoot to the moon if he goes forward
to the Patriots, because they're gonna run the ball. They're
gonna run him to the ground. And I really feel
as though he'll have, you know, that ceiling that is
going to be like, Oh, I don't care, I'll pay
anything for it because he's definitely going to be in
that conversation of a top twenty, top fifteen type of
(21:51):
fantasy player next year. So being that he's so skilled
and he's so talented, he could definitely change a fantasy
roster and make them a sin. So honestly, yeah, I'm
okay with spending that you know, first round draft pick.
If I do happen to go running back. You know
me personally, I'm in like thirty something leagues, so I'm
probably gonna be doing so many different builds. But he's
definitely gonna be on a lot of my teams if
I got him at that back end of the first round.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'm all right, So I'm just gonna I'm gonna put
it to you right, let's say you're let's say you're
at nine, right, Ashton Gent or AJ.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Brown give me genty. I honestly think, you know, with
the tush push, everybody's kind of going to be pushing
AJ Brown back up before nine because if they do
band it, and obviously they're gonna have to go back
to throwing the ball and then that can lead to
more you know, opportunities for AJ Brown. But I definitely
feel as though Gent will clear you know, AJ Brown's
finishing fantasy points.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Uh, same question than you, Floya A. J. Brown or
Gentz at the back half of the first round.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I could see myself going gent just because I I
think I feel good about the wide receiver that I
could get, but the landing spot does matter. They're a
little bit because if he went to somewhere not as great,
I'm a sucker for a J. Brown And I think
last year, uh, it was kind of a down year.
But I think he'll be fine and get back to
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what he normally is. He won't be hurt or anything
like that, hopefully, But yeah, like if he ends up,
there's certain teams that he could go to, like the Bears.
I know people have linked him to, like the Denver
Broncos situation like that where he's gonna get three. I
think if he goes to Denver, Sean Payton learns Sean
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Payton knew when he had good running backs in the past, right,
like like mark Ingram Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I think there's no way you take gent in the
first round and you don't give him three hundred touches.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
And you mean you would hope not. But again, yeah,
I feel like with Sean Payton, all bets are sort
of off.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I will quit fantasy that year. I will be done
playing the game of fantasy. He goes to Denver, never
ever playing again.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
That yeah that you know, I'm very curious sort of
how this goes. I mean, you know, I very much
expect that he's gonna be a guy you're gonna have
to spin it up on and again. If the landing
price is right or landing place is right, then that number.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Shot all right, lakwi. Could we see a scenario.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Is there a spot he could go where suddenly we're
talking about him in the top half of the first
round or is that is that too much?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Hmmm? I mean, honestly, what would be like he would
have to go in the first five picks for that
to happen. I mean, Jacksonville's at at five, you got
New England at four. Like I kind of feel like
I will pay that price at four if he goes
to the Patriots. But if we're talking Cleveland, then it's like,
all right, well, they have one agenda. They're gonna need
one of their best players to run the rock. They're
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probably gonna give him three hundred touches in his first year.
And if you're gonna have that on the table for me,
then yeah, I'll take him around where Jon or Gifts
are going put him on the Bears. I'm taking him
top five.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Wow, really yikes?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
I with Ben Johnson. I think Caleb and those guys like.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Maybe well first first half of the first round is
top six, so yeah, like the names I wrote down
for like Proswell watching him where like Marshall Lynch and
MJD and stuff like that, like elite options guys who
have that home run hitting ability and that freak physical you.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Can't tackle him mobility. Like I believe Jens is that talented.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I think he is too, you know, I guess, I
guess sight unseen, not knowing where he's going to get drafted,
I'm I'm still back half of the first round.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Is this a ceiling of talent? Though?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Is this it? Like not saying it's bad, but like,
do you see him getting even better at the next
level in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I think he can. I think there's still room to grow.
I think there's still room for him to improve a
little bit. I mean, as Flerio mentioned, they didn't use
him a lot as a pass catcher at Boise. If
that's a thing that gets added to his repertoire in
the NFL, then there's absolutely room for him to be
even more productive, right, I mean, we know what he
can do as a runner. If we learn that he
can be a bit more of a pass catcher, then yeah,
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there's absolutely room for it to happen.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Do you guys have any concerns with his style of play?
That's the one thing the negative I've seen is like
he is so physical that like it's going to take
a toll.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I mean, I guess so, but not enough.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
That's like a five year down the road problem.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, that's not the that's not the deciding factor on
if I'm taking him and where I'm taking.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Him, Dynasty Cell after year three, if that's what we're talking.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
In rookie drafts, right, like no questions as Yeah, that's
settled case law.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, that's you're taking anybody else you're just trying to
be cool.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Even looks like you're taking cam Ward probably now you're
probably still taking gent Yeah. I think that's that's kind
of just a done deal at this point. Yeah, I mean,
look it to the point if somebody's taking him that high,
we're talking about him going in the top six seven
picks of the NFL draft. Whoever gets him is going
to load him up with touches and so yeah, yeah,
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there are injury concerns, I guess, but there are with
literally every single player in the league. It's the potential
for volume that we love, and that's that's what it
would be.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
If he ends up in Dallas, he will be a
top five pick. Uh yeah, just because of the star
on the helmet.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I think I don't like the O line at all,
but he'll get three hundred touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Talking to Isaiah Stanback with their offseason moves with you know,
they bringing in coaches O line coach one of the
best old lines is leaving my freaking mind right now.
The name, but he's one of the best O line
coaches in college. So they're going to be building the trenches.
And what he's telling me, Isaiah Standbeck, he's saying that
they're going to run the rock. So Florio if he
ends up there at twelve and Jenti is there, Yeah,
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that might be in the conversations of like, all right,
he might go in front of Gibbs, he might go
in front of Bijon like that. That's how I would
approach that if he ends up on the Dallas Cowboys,
you would take him over those guys. Yeah, I mean
Gibbs already has that little question mark because like, all right,
Ben Johnson's gone, like is this one two? You know,
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Like I would feel a lot better with them addressing
the old line, them bringing in guys, them bringing in
coaches that can perfect this old line and build the
trenches and shot. He already said it. He wants to
run the rock. So Jent goes there. You might have
to put him ahead of a Gibbs and a Bijon
I had.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Of a Gibbs and a I don't know if I'm
doing that.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
You have to. You have to because if that's what
they're going.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
To do, a thing I.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Do not, that's.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
That's to me.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Feels like, yeah, he feels the safest, but I would
question it.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I'd be like, oh my god, Yeah, I might pull
the trigger on this ahead a beach. It's gonna be
a summer engineer.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Like I don't I'm not ready to do that.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I'm not here and I don't care.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I'm not ready to do that.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Money don't make money.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That's fine. You never go broke taking a prophet either,
that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Uh yeah, this is gonna be worth arguing about for
another couple of months for sure. Over it's here two though, right,
guys that are moving up draft boards, Guys that are
getting a lot of high five guys in this group,
not the Burger place, Omaron Hampton. I guess you have
to have an NFL contract to consistently eat at five guys.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
So there's that part.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Amarion Hampton, Trevion Henderson, Caleb Johnson, Cam Scattaboo, Quinn, Shawn Jenkins.
Lookwan Hampton is the one that I think is probably
getting the most hype out of that group. I've even
heard that, you know, he might be moving up in
the first round potentially.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, all right, so he said wow. I mean, so
then let's say, let's let's sug redraft here. Where are
you comfortable drafting a guy like like Hampton at this point?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
So he would have to land in a spot where
he's getting fed because he's a workhorse. I mean that's
what he in college his last two seasons there, he
kind of just got fed the rock. So you're hoping
that the team understands that and stays own task to
feed this monster, because honestly, he could honestly live in
like that late second third round because like people will
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be a little hesitant after the ashing Jent going off
in the first round. So if he's living on that
back and in the second, you know, the third round,
you're like, hey, I need an RB two. Why not
get a guy that's being fed. But again, landing spy
will matter. So it's like if he's moving up in
the first round and I'm looking at some of these teams,
like where could he go, Like where could he live
in that? You know, in that back in I would
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say after the twelve picks, So it's like he would
have to be in a situation where he's getting fed.
He's getting fed, he's getting fed, because that's exactly what
he can do. He can handle that workload.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Looking at the most recent mock draft we did, which
was just after free agency, he was the last pick
in the third round.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
He went at three.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Twelve shit, and I'm comfortable.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
With that went ahead.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm looking at the running backs, he went ahead up
Kenneth Walker actually went ahead it so he went out
of Joe Mixon, Traves Et and Kenneth Walker. Those are
the next three running backs to go after.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
That feels right to me. That feels perfect right there,
and that's without even knowing where he's landing. So like,
I feel a way because I'm a huge Joe Mixon fan,
So there's like there, you know, I might go back
with Joe Mix. But Martin Hampton he's something special, man,
Like he can catch the ball out of backfield, he
could bulldoze you, and he can make you break your ankles.
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So it's one of those things of like you want
this prototype of a perfectly balanced running back, and that's
exactly who he is.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Does he, though, Florio, land in a spot right, even
if he's later in the first round, right, does he
land in a spot where he walks into a huge
number of touches. It just seems like even as much
as team seemed to love him, he's going to go
to a spot where he's probably gonna have somebody that
he's sharing touches with.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
It all depends if I feel like, if if you're
a team taking him in the first round, you clearly
have a need at running back. If he was the
fault to say like day two, then that becomes a
lot more concerning because then teams are a lot more like, hey,
it's not a round one pick and everything, and we've
seen a lot of team like that's what happens to
like Javonte Williams in year one and John I mean
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even johnthan.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Taylor Field around two, which was wild.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
But like, if you're taking this kid in round one,
especially if some box have him going like in the
first half of round one, I feel like that if
you're using that high of a pick, you're not taking
a luxury pick there, right, unless it's the Detroit Lions
who love to take luxury picks. But for the most part,
at that point, you're drafting for need still. So if
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he goes there, I feel like he would get a
fall to a spot that has a lot of touches.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
And while I.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Do think he is the second best running back at
handling that amount of volume and stuff, I think there's.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
A running back that I like more than him.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
WHOA oh all right, oh just put it out there.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Who he's all you traveon Henderson because to me, the
biggest and I'm a huge believer of this and it
constantly goes through my analysis, but to me, I think
the biggest difference between good and great players is speed
and burst and electricity, and it's why the Dolphins offense
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was so hard to stop for a while and stuff.
And I think it's the forty nine ers play fast
like smart team the Chiefs, Like what is the chiefs
number one priority at all skill positions?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Speed?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Like?
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I think that is a difference maker in the NFL
because Hampton is the kind of running back that can
get chunk plays. He could get you those fifteen those
twenty yard runs, twenty five yard runs. Henderson is the
type of running back that turns those into sixty seventy
eighty yard touchdowns. And to me, you could do a
lot more with less touches than and especially for fantasy,
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when you start putting up big plays like that, that's
when you be like. That's why I don't think Devon
hen is a top five running back in the prototypical sense,
but for fantasy he is amazing because of all those
big plays.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
And I think Henderson has that in his bag more
than Hampton does.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I would say, for me the biggest difference between Hampton
and Henderson. Henderson is more of a make you miss
sort of guy. Right, I think I think Hampton is
gonna be kind of a guy that tries to run
through you.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
He's more of a physical sort of back.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't know that he's you know, he's got the
sort of lateral ability, uh that you see out of
Trevion Henderson.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I think both of them are very good.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Just that's I think that's just kind of the difference
in their games, and so I think that's also what
offense they work in too.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Also, Henderson's amazing in the passion game. He can run routes.
He could really go out there and cut it up
and get open and create these mismatches for these linebackers.
So he's going to be a nightmare. I mean, defensive
coordinators are going to be pissed off. They got a
face him every Sunday. But it's one of those things
that I hope he lands in the spot that understands like,
all right, you're gonna be here to be the Gibbs
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of some type. That's why I want him to go
to Chicago so he can get that one two punch
to serve with DeAndre Swift, because Swift has just been ugh.
His efficiency has just been down as well. I mean
it was under four yards this past season. So he
obviously needs help. That offensive line is getting built through
the trenches. If you pull him back like a slingshot,
Henderson's going to the house because, like you guys were saying,
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he can make you miss at any time. Like, this
guy's tap dancing at the at the line of scrimmage
and you're like get him, get him, and they can't
because he's so fast and he's just clearing so many yards.
Though it's like one of those things you hope he
lands to a place that understands the assignment and what
he's able to do to bring to that team.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
That tap dancing in the line of scrimmage is a
double edged sword.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Though, right, because in college you make guys look foolish.
In the NFL, those suddenly become three yard games.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Ah, you know what, since we're on the subject of
these Tier two I'm gonna break the rundown real quick,
Caleb Johnson, he is entering the bag of Saxul discontent. Yes, yes,
we're good, We're good. I was talking to Florio about
this over the weekend, and like I have this thing
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about watching his tape, Like if I'm going to put
my kids to sleep, where I need to go to
bed I'm just put on his highlight tape. I am
completely bored. Like he is a spoiled back. That Iowa
line was one of the best last season in college
in the nation, and he is able to run through
these whole Marcus, you could put up one hundred and
fifty yards behind that old line. He is fast.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Great, Yes, you can alo awesomeness, that's not what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I just feel though, like I will take this stand
ten toes down on this take because I feel like
he's going to break a lot of hearts this season.
He's going to have to be one to a team
that's going to have the old line ready for him
to go two. He's going to have to go to
a team that pacific in outside scheme, like he's gonna
have to go to like a forty nine ers team.
He's gonna have to have an offense that understand his strengths.
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He's not a guy that's gonna be out there breaking
a bunch of tackles. Even though PFF hasn't breakn a
much bunch of mistackles. It's because he's running so fast
and he just kind of bounces off people and he
falls to the ground. I don't look at that as
something as one of these top tier running backs. I'm done.
I'll stand on it. It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I will say though, because Iowa actually had an offense
last year. You know that the previous two or three
years it has been just kind of a punchline because
they could not score points. Last year, they actually scored points,
and Caleb Johnson was a big part of that.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
So I don't know. I mean, maybe there's something there, right.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I'm not a U.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
I don't think I dislike him as much as Lakwan,
but I'm not a big fan.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Of my hate run. Yeah, I'll tell you if you
want to take I'll give you one.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Though, I think Cam Skataboo is going to be the
second best fantasy.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Running I was waiting.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
I was waiting for us to get to him because
I yes, he's.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Second fantasy outside of Gen T. I think he's gonna
have the best fantasy career.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
He's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
You know non Ashton gent division is camp Skataboo.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
People hate him for no reason. The fantasy streets do
not like him. I don't know why they're wrong.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
He's straight enough to have the longest career of any
of these running backs.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
I feel very confident in that.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
You know, like he really only had kind of really
one year of major production, right, and he played a
couple of years at Arizona State. His first year in Tempe,
he was okay. There was nothing really stand out about him.
I mean, I want to say he looked good because
he gave USC fits, but our defense has been trash,
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so that doesn't really mean much of anything. But then
last year was the year that everybody started talking about
camp skataboo, right. Seventeen hundred rushing yards, six hundred receiving yards,
a total of twenty four touchdowns from scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
It was that one year.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
And I know that for a lot of folks who
do this and who are scouting draft prospects, there's a
little bit of suspicion when a guy shows up that
late in his career and suddenly has one big season.
I think that has a lot to do with people's
hesitance for cam Scatabuy.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I hate that because we have cam Ward going at
one right now like that that that's the same thing
like he blew up in his last year in Miami.
It's for like, I'm just looking at it like that
is whatever you know. Like Cam Skataboo to me when
you turn on his dape, he is not that breakaway
speed guy like people will falling for not running the forty.
He may be injured, but he is athletic. He's jumping over,
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he's making you miss, he's moving left, he's shifty, and like,
these are all qualities that we champion all these other
running backs. So it's like he's bringing to the table
receiving skills as well. Oh yeah, sign me up. I'm
on that take with Floria about him possibly being, you know,
one of the best fantasy seasons this year.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I what I love about Cam Scataboo is his willingness
to go out and improve his game to get him
to where he is now. You know, they told the
story about when he first got to Arizona State, and
you know, he was okay and he was willing to
do a lot of things, but the coaches pulled him
aside and said, look, you're not You're not NFL good
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and told him the things he had to go work
on to become NFL good.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
A lot of it was sort of improving strength, working
on his route running, getting better hands and that sort
of thing. Now he's not He's not going to be
a breakaway speed guy, right, He's just not that guy.
I mean when I first talked about him, I think
I mentioned Austin Eckler as a potential comparison sort of
for Scataboo. You know, I'm looking here at Lanzer lines
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comp form calling him Jalen Warren. So I think that's
sort of what we are looking at for a Scataboo.
But I do think he's going to be that guy
that people are going to look at, and certainly in
Dynasty drafts. I think, you know, I'm not gonna say
he fall, but he's gonna he's gonna end up in
somebody's lap, and I think they're gonna get a really
good fantasy running back out of there.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
I counted into as a runner Karen Williams, but he's
Kien Williams. He is the most dynamic running back in
this class. And that's I got to asked yesterday what
running back room would he fit in, and I was like,
there's thirty two that come to mind, because it's so
dynamic and you could use him in so many different ways.
And look ash and genty shattered the PFF miss tackles
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force record last year, but Cam Scatterboo tied what the
previous record was. Like, I feel like that. It's no
love because Genty was so good at what he did.
But like he could be a three down back if
you want him to. He could be a third down
specialist if you want him to. There's a lot of
which is why I think I'll have a very long
career because pass catching backs like this are rare and
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you could use him, Like he can legit run downfield routes.
Not many running backs can do that.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, that's the thing that's heep in mind.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Were talking about pass catching backs, right there are the
guys who they just sort of stay and hover near
the line of scrimmage and they are basically an option
when everything breaks down and the quarterback has to get
rid of the football. And then they're the guys who
can actually run routes and they are considered as part
of the passing game, right.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I mean, you know, I was.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Joking how with Ron Rivera, every running back who catches
the football, he would say, is a Christian McCaffrey type. Well, no,
because McCaffrey, you can actually run legitimate routes for you
can scheme up things in the passing game, Jamiir Gibbs.
You know you can scheme up things in the passing
game versus you know, like say Najee Harris in his
first year, who's basically the emergency He used the break
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glass in case of emergency for when Ben Roethlisberger found
himself in troubled.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
The dumpoff, I always write, are you a pass catching
like running back or a running back who can catch
the ball if he gets thrown.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
No, that's good, great scataboo.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
By the way, in our last mock draft, was the
second player off the board in the round. He went
three picks ahead of Brian Robinson. So hey, he might
end up in Washington. So they just move on from
But I think they're still sort of committed to Austin Eckler.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, that's that's my boy too. I'll never I'll never
quit because he's one of.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Us, one of us, one of us for.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Sure, anybody else in this second tier. But we kind
of I think we kind of hit everybody quinch on Judkins.
Uh any feeling strongly one way or another about Judkins
in this traffic one.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
He's like more of a like he's explosive, but he's
more of a power runner, Like he's looking for that
contact and I love that in some running backs, but
I'm not quite sure if he will prevail, like behind
a whod line that's still needs work because he's going
to be running into their backs. You know, that's gonna
be one of the issues. Like I think Henderson was
more better at bouncing outside and avoiding a lot of
those contact things. But quinch On, he's strong, He's a
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power back, so I think, you know, if he has
like the smaller side at that second level of the linebackers,
he'll probably go through them and break away. But it's
more of those things like his his vision needs a
little bit more work.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, I mean, I'm very curious sort of how how
those two shake out, right, because we've seen plenty of
times where you have two backs coming out of the
same school and it feels like either what usually what
happens is either one goes on and does great things
and everyone ends up being sort of meh, or they're
both sort of mah.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
At the next level, I don't you know.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I'm trying to think of like a backfield where like
both guys went on.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
And Georgia, Sony Michelle, Nick Chubb, and Todd Gurley.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah, except the Sony Michelle thing was very short lived.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
I mean a CLS took all of them and of
them came out with likees like that.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Was yeah, and Nick being the lasting, the longestt out
of all of them.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
You know, so he got the worst over anyone, and
I know he agrees.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Yeah, I mean I think in terms of pure talent, yes,
Gurley was that dude.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Just the god issues. The issues just sort of mobbed him.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
We said it too much. We stood on this a
little long, and I'm starting to feel.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Sat highlights after this, I'm gonna go great, we'll come back.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
We'll go through tears three and four.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Then we'll wrap things up here on the NFL Fantasy
Football Podcast, diving into tears three and four as we
talk about running backs getting ready for the NFL Draft
coming up.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Tier three guys that you think could make a year
one impact. Handful of names here, R J. Harvey, Dylan Sampson,
Devin Neil, Damien Martinez, Trevor et In, DJ Giddens, Jordan James,
and Bashell Tuton, who I think has the most fun
name to say this entire group.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Rock Root and all that.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Floria, any of these names that immediately sort of stand
out to you as guys that you know maybe are
worth an end of draft dart throw.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Look, there's a lot of talent in these names that
we're getting to the point though we're landing. Spot is
going to determine.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
A whole lot. But I like the Jays.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
I like RJ. Harvey the most of this group. I
think he's got a little Bucky.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Irving in his game.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
I also was like Austin Eckler like because he is a.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Phenomenal pass catcher out of the backfield.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
And again not just one of those running backs that
all right, break last emergerscy dump it off to you, Like, No,
he's a weapon in the passing game and I am
a sucker for those kinds of running backs.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
And he's fast.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
I like the explosiveness, and what I like most of
all is like it doesn't take him long to hit
his top speed, like one step and.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
He is out. And then DJ Giddens.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
I know there's mixed reviews out there for this kid,
but when I watched him play, I was like, he's
big and he's got better speed than I would have
thought for his size, good hands out of the backfield,
good cutter.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
I know, sometimes not everything is.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
Perfect in his game, and he could run upright, he
could get tripped up at times. But I wrote DeMarco Murray,
we'll watch it him and maybe that is like the
utmost high end ceiling for him and because of his
running style. But but I liked him while while I
was watching him.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Anybody here that you have taken a shine to look
on man? I love Dylan Samson.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Man. I can't talk about him enough. I mean, honestly,
he's one of those guys that I hope lands in
the spot they give him opportunity. Because we were talking
Bucky Irvin. I mean, like these smaller guys are coming
out of college and like some of these like you know,
draft analysts and stuff like that are saying, like all
his size, Bucky Iran was like the rookie running back
won last year. So it's like we look at these guys,
(47:35):
they just need to be put in the right spot.
Damian Martinez, He's one of my favorite, you know guys
on this list. I wouldn't even have him in this tier.
I would have him in the tier above, to be honest,
if he lands in the right spot, being that he
has that type of but loosenet for his size and
he's able to run you over and catch the ball
out of the backfield. So this tier is like one
of my favorite tiers when you have so many running
(47:56):
backs that we could really get into that could just
be utilized in different ways. I mean, Devin Neil, he's
another guy that he just puts his foot in the ground,
he is gone, Like you would literally have to be
running your absolute best to go get him. Like I
mean remember in Super Bad with Seth Rudin and when
he was an he's the fastest guy, live the fast lie.
Like that's really what you're watching on tape once he
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gets that breakaway speed. And like he's also another guy
that can run routes. He wasn't utilized much in the
passing game, but it's just untapped potential there with a
lot of these guys in these passing games and this
tier alone.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I would say that I just had this feeling about
Trevor etn Right. He's a different sort of player than
his brother Travis, obviously, but I think when we talk
about landing spot and usage and that sort of thing.
I think he's a guy who sets himself up well
to find himself like a third down pass catching role, right,
So I think that's where he sort of excels. If
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you can get him in space, allow him to use
his acceleration and use his elusiveness.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
I think that sort of works.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
And we live in PPR world now, right, And so
I think you talk about some of these other running
backs and asking them to do work on the ground,
I'm I think it's gonna be a little bit harder
for them to have the so, you know, to have
a representative level of production that we're gonna be interested in.
Whereas if you have a guy who you know, say
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what you want about full point PPR or even half
point PPR, you're still getting that scoring just by him
catching the football and anything he does after that ends
up sort of being gravy. So I just have a
feeling that, you know, again, all these guys are very
landing spot dependent, but with a coach who really does
want to use his pass catching prowess, I think there's
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an avenue for him to go out and be kind
of productive.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
There's guys like Jordan James on this list from Oregon,
Like he is one of those guys that you want
to get utilized more in the passing game, but he
just hasn't, like he hasn't had that potential. So unfortunately
you can't go into redraft and draft and you can't
and go in some of these dynasty leagues for four
rounds and put your chip on him because he might
just land in the backfield. That's just going to be
just another guy in the backfield. Like he's a great runner,
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a guy he tied twenty twenty three Bucky Eermon with
eleven touchdowns. So he's like one of those guys that
hasn't no sort of red zone. So he might end
up having some type of role on a team for
red zone doty, but that doesn't necessarily translate, you know,
to Fantasy points consistently every single week.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, Jordan James, I just you know, I worry he's
not the fastest guy. No, I think that that's a concern.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
I know that way I wrote down, he punches above
his weight class because there's guys that he's running full
speed at that he will just take them on and
just go full head. And I'm like, jeez, hold your
head up, like your eyes are down, just going full
speed into a linebacker.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Jesus, that might not work in the thing.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Well, yeah, because that feels like a thing you can
get away with in college, maybe not so much in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
So that's that would be Michael.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
These linebackers are six eight, three fifty.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Like, yeah, yeah, that's that's just it's just not gonna work.
It's not gonna work.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
The same when you run up on Fred Warner, you know,
rp your neck.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
A guys, it's here four as we kind of get
close to the end. Here we got Jayden Blue, Kyle Mnong,
Guy Brishard Smith, LeQuinn Allen, Ollie Gordon, the Second, antaj Brooks, Floria,
any of these guys that you feel one sort of
way about.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
Uh, we're at the point now where I try not
to let myself have strong opinions on players because this
is so landing spot dependent and even these guys, most
of their landing spots they go to, they're going to
have to compete to get that role. So I don't
want myself to fall in love with the player here.
And then they go to a situation where they're like
(51:44):
the fourth running back on the depth chart, and I'm like,
I still like this guy, but like I do jayda
On Blue, I like, I saw some stuff I like
with him.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
He's fast, he's a good runner.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
And I will say I was watching pat Path to
the Draft last night and Bucky was talking up Alemanongai
and I'm like, look, if Bucky has you on his radar,
you are officially on.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
My radar as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Hang, honest, they are literally right in front of my garage.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
I heard it that time.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
I'm say we heard that on Yeah, they're like literally
right for the garage. Like I saw them like clipping stuff,
and I'm like, they're going to totally wait until like
ten thirty to like start using the blower and stuff
around here.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
So that to eleven, Yeah, that's true. So yeah, I
could pick it up when you're ready, though.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, I can mute myself if you want to just
just pick it up, I'll talk it.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
So, Flora, you mentioned Jayden Blue. I mean, honestly, the
RAMS community they want him to be one of the guys.
But why I'm so hesitant, Like, yeah, he's explosive. He
brings everything to the table that we're missing with kyn
But it's like the fumbles. The ball security man, he
had four fumbles last year. Like that is like my
biggest issue with the Rams community, like pushing his you
know name up in the hat to be one of
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the running backs that we take. And obviously with Sneeze
connection with Texas, so like everybody's trying to put two
and two together, but it's the ball security man that
that drives me nuts. We already got to do with
Kayen with that right now, so like why would we
have two in house?
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yeah, I mean, I see.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
I think I think when you're talking about guys on
in this tier right who are a little bit lower
as you know, you know, look there's a lot of
landscaping going on in my in my neighborhood, they're just
you know, trying to make the field nice for everybody.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
That man.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
I do think I think this is where past catching
really does make a difference, right, It's it's finding ways
to sort of get on the field.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Because here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
If you're talking about a guy who's like a powerback
who can pick up you know, yards here and there,
like you're really asking for that guy to be touchdown dependent,
whereas you know a guy who catches the football.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Maybe he's a third down back, maybe he's a situational back.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
But you know, you sort of get that boost from
just him catching the football, getting him out in space,
and more than that, being able to use him sort
of all over the field as opposed to just in
short yardage or just in the goal line. You know,
I think Taj Brooks is example that you know a
guy who can sort of do that that maybe you
(54:12):
see him.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
You know. Obviously, for some of these.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Guys, past protection is going to be important because if
you're on the field on third down, your job is
going to be to help protect the quarterback. But in
a two minute situation, right if you find a role,
there's no easier way to rack up a bunch of
fantasy points quickly than in a two minute drill where
they're just having to throw the football to you and
able to pick up yards and that sort of thing.
So it's definitely a lot harder when we're talking about
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these guys. I mean, these these are really going to
be the guys that you know, the dynasty freaks are
going to just you know, love and try to sell
us on. These are gonna be the guys that look
to your point, Florio, it will be August and I
will have been reading something probably you know, I will
have been scrolling and hearing a lot of hype about
Lea quint Allen or something like that. I'll be like,
(54:57):
sixteenth round, why not, let's you know, like two weeks
in a season, I'd be like, that wasn't smart.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
It's a lot of yeah, right, Like the fear is
real that that sort of thing is gonna happen. So
you just have to sort of you know, this is
one of those do your homework sort of things to
to make sure you know what what is going on
there for sure.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, anybody we.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Missed, anybody that didn't make this list that you feel
like needs to get some shine right now?
Speaker 3 (55:26):
No they yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (55:31):
Well we didn't cover lq's boy, Oli Gordon, but we
got time Gordon.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Stan U three.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
Not last season. I mean, I mean last season is
very disappointing, but might get the other night.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
We're like, yeah, Ollie Gordon's gonna get all the love
on Dynasty Twitter.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
It's they are they won't let it go. It's kind
of like Javonte Williams. Sorry, Michael really.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
You really do you have to throw that elbow? That
wasn't necessary? Cool, I'm sorry. Wow, all right, forty nine
ers are draft him. All right, we'll be good.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
On that note, Mark, get me out of here. You
know I'm gonna go and you know, eat my feelings.
Now that you said that, just a reminder that we
are gonna have a special kind of one off episode
for you coming up tomorrow as well. Our interview with
Adam Thielen had a chance to sit down with him
and chat about a whole variety of subjects, you know,
(56:29):
so you get your thoughts on the Carolina Panthers, his
feelings on Bryce Young, on Xavier Lagette, Jalen Cocher, on
David he's been playing for Dave Canalis that sort of thing.
So we talked to him about all sorts of things.
So I'd be sure to check that out as well,
and then we'll be back with you on Thursday. We're
talking to our pow JJ Zacharies and getting his thoughts
(56:50):
on some of these running backs as well, So it
should be a lot of fun for that one. The meantime,
that'll do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy
Football podcast, Stay happy, safe and healthy, do good and
live well. Enjoy our thead interviews tomorrow everybody, and we'll
talk to you again real soon, mhm.
Wow, everybody, It's Tuesday, April eighth, twenties twenty five. Welcome
to the NFL Fantasy Football Pie. We're still recovering from
our weekend at Big Deans. It's me and your man,
NAMG Marcus Grant, joined by Michael Florio and Lakwan Jones. Yeah, fellas,
(00:23):
we actually got to like see each other in the wild.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
This yeah sort of pretty weird. Yeah, yeah, who are you?
Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I know for you guys listening, you know, and look,
I know there are people out there who listen to
the show, and you guys do pods and you have
your podcast partners that you probably don't live near. But
for a lot of you, like we do this show
and we don't actually see each other in person very often.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
We're recording all this from home.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Uh. You know, Lakwan you you you brought your kids
out to my my son's birthday party, Yah, about a
week and a half ago, which thanks.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
A lot taller? Did you get taller?
Speaker 1 (01:00):
That was It was funny because like, you know, like
the party was like a week and a half ago,
and I realized when I got there, like that was
the first time I've seen you in person since before Christmas.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Yes, like a whole different calendar year.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Like, oh my god, wow, I haven't seen you.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
In person in real life since twenty twenty four, Floria.
We saw each other over the weekend. We broke beers
and have burgers with our pal, Mike Fayela.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Uh and I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
It was somebody seen you in real life and maybe
maybe a month so I'm like, yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Do we see each other in March for free agency
or anything?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Not even sure? Yeah, I mean it might.
Speaker 4 (01:36):
It might be January, which is so crazy. We need
to change that. It can't happen again.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah, we should.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
We should probably you know, see each other I r
L especially because we don't, you know, theoretically live.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
That far from one another.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
But you know, hey, listeners, we we are all actually
friends off of the show too.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Hello, Yes, that's why all this kind of works. People
ask me that a lot. I don't know if you
guys get it.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
They're like, do you guys actually hang out when you're
not talking fake football?
Speaker 1 (02:04):
I'm like, yeah, yeah, I mean we tried to, but
obviously I just I gave away the game right now.
Yeah that often? So yeah, but we did get together
and it was fun. It was a good time for sure.
We do have a lot to talk about because we
are still doing our draft preview. Positionally, this week we
do not make running backs into two shows. We decided
(02:25):
to make wide receivers into two shows. So today and
Thursday we will be talking about running backs.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Fun guest.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
On Thursday, we'll be talking with JJ Zacharieson kind of
getting some of his takes on this running back class. Yeah,
we'll do some at a time that is convenient for
East Coast dads, so he will hopefully still be awake
when we talk to him, so that'll be fun. And
then next week, teasing ahead, we will do wide receivers
(02:54):
on Tuesday and Thursday, and we are slated we have
next Tuesday to talk to Matt Harmon, he of Reception Perception,
former alum of this very podcast, now doing his thing.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Over at Yahoo as well, so we'll get his thoughts.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
Look, it comes to talking wide receivers, I can't think
of anybody else that I want to talk to about it,
So we're gonna get Harmon on next week to.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Talk about that at all.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Speaking of wide receivers as well, I got a whole
lot of news here for y'all tomorrow, we are releasing
a special standalone episode of this show where we had
a chance to talk to Adam Feelin and you may
have seen the clip floating around on x Twitter of
us shotty with Adam Feeling. We had a great conversation.
We talked to him for about twenty minutes about everything
(03:38):
from the Panthers and the expectations for Bryce Young. We
got his thoughts on Severance as well, So I guess
that's an early spoiler alert if you have not faced,
if you have not finished season two of Severance, just
a spoiler alert. We talked to Adam Feeling about it
at the end of the interview, but a lot of fun.
We're really glad to get him on the show to
talk to him and get his thoughts there. But let's
(04:00):
dive in because there are a couple of news headlines,
news ish headlines that.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Are worth talking about.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
The first one in New York with the New York Jetropolitans.
There is talk from head coach Aaron Glenn if they
want a three headed running back attack for the Jets
offense and Florio. I can't think of another phrase in
the fantasy lexicon that makes your stomach turn more than a.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Three headed backfield.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
We have reached the point I think that we can
sort of navigate two man backfields. You can sort of
figure out what the role is going to be for
each guy. If it's a three headed backfield. For the Jets,
if they're really doing this, I mean, I guess we're
still drafting Breese Hall. But how far down does he fall?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
I think he falls.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Like Look, when we did our mocks each month, he
has been a round one pick each time, and I
keep being like, I don't get it, Like I don't
see him still has a first round pick. I think
second round or even third round. Now with this new
report coming out, it feels a lot more appropriate. You're
getting a little bit less price for the risk now
(05:13):
that is being added there.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
This all comes from one reporter who sat down with
Aaron Glenn. Look, I'm not saying they're lying or anything,
but it's early April, I think.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
That, and when this interview happened was probably March. Like,
I think that.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Is important to remember in the grand scheme of things.
It's easy today to say we want three running backs involved,
but if they're still saying this late August, after training.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Camp and everything.
Speaker 4 (05:40):
My tune would be very different, But for right now,
I do feel like bris Hall should not be a
first round pick. He should slide a little bit. And
the other thing with this report is it was written
by Rich Simonini from ESPN, and he has a line
in there that's like, wonder if the Jets would trade
bres Hall and draft ash and gents, And.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
The Internet was like, that's what the Jets are.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Doing and like they ran wild with it, and it's like, no,
he was just speculating. So I think that rumors what
caught fire, and it shouldn't be It should be the
fact that they're talking about wanting to use three running
backs and he comes from a team that very successfully
used two.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Three is a lot harder though, like you said, Marcus,
the navigate.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Well one, yes, they used two very effectively in Detroit,
but also look at who those two were, right, it
was David Montgomery, who while Montgomery has never been flashy,
he's never been like a big time splash guy, He's
consistently productive throughout his career, whether it was in Chicago
or Detroit. And then they go out and they draft
Jamior Gibbs, who is a big play threat, kind of
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a home run waiting to happen, a guy who can
get you chunk plays.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
So like those were the two. So then I guess
that begs the question.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Lakwan, all right, we're drafting Breeze Hall, right, we're expecting
him to be the front line there after that. Is
it Braylan Allen or is Isaiah Davis you're putting your
chip on?
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (07:02):
First of all, when has a three headed backfield actually
work for real life football? Like I have not seen
it executed and actually.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
Might work for us, Like oh yeah yeah, Like I
think this was just more so like just to put
all the fantasy community just in chaos at this point,
and like.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
If there had to be a chip to place, I
guess Braylan Allen. But for me, I'm fading all around.
I mean, honestly, Breese Hall, Chris a Lobby, they're in
the Satral discontent. There's going to be a rookie this
episode that's going to fall in that bag as well.
And I'm actually gonna get a Satral. I'm gonna order it,
and it's going to be them in the bag that's coming.
But Anyway, I definitely feel as though, like, when do
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you look at this backfield? All you want is breaste
Hall to be unleashed, Like his efficiency has dropped down
since his rookie year. We want rookie year. What we
are robbed from from that injury, that's the Breeshaul we want,
that's the full out the gate Bristall running back one.
This is his backfield. We're getting robbed from that already
in April, and I just feel like, no, what you've
(08:04):
been pissing me off? I'm kind of turned off. I'm
fading the whole situation.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Yeah, by the way, you mentioned Florio, the rumor about
what they trade breeze, Haulling draft, Ashton Junty. You guys
know this from living out here on the West Coast
is that when you wake up sometimes in the morning,
the rumor.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
Mill is already churning.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
The East Coast dads have been up for a while
and they're already sort of, you know, dissecting the rumors
and trying to figure out what it means. And for
those of us who you know, wake up a little
bit later, you're you're stuck playing catchup. And that was
me one day just like, wait, what wait, the Jets
are trading Breeze, what's happening here?
Speaker 5 (08:44):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And it took me a.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
While to sort of catch up to what exactly started
this whole thing and started this fire. And I was
kind of like, Oh, this is one person just speculating,
just throwing.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Something out there.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Yeah, that's all.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
It was not all that, not that there was any
actual conversation about.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
It or anything like that.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
I was.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
I was utterly confused. I will tell you that the
whole time. The other thing though, that worries me about
this whole thing, even if it is just a two
headed attack, right, let's just say it ends up being
Breeze Hall and Braylan Allen. Justin Fields is now the
starting quarterback for the New York Jets, And I don't
(09:25):
know that this offense, especially now with a defensive minded
head coach, which side notes of that is the thing
we did talk to Adam Feelin about. I don't know
that with a defensive minded head coach and Justin Fields
at quarterback, that a two headed running back attack is
going to be enough to sustain us for fantasy. I
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you know, we like Fields Florido because he runs with
the football.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
That is what we want.
Speaker 1 (09:54):
But does this offense project to be high volume enough
that we can think that Fields can do what Fields
does and that there's still gonna be enough for one,
let alone two other running backs to go out there
and prosper for us.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
No, it's a it's a very good question, and it's
going to depend on how the Jets operate.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
As an offense. Are they going to be a hurry
up offense? I don't know, because you said defensive coach
and want to run the ball, control the clock.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
My thinking originally was like, think of the option plays
and the running LANs that Fields could create for Hall
and and Fields last year was throwing a lot of
passes to running backs. But yeah, if these touches are
now getting divvied up and stuff, it's going to be
a headache. And one thing I was just thinking, like,
we do this a lot as a fantasy community. I
(10:45):
think where where like the coaches are holding these players back,
But breathe Hall, Like you were saying, o Q got
worse and worse efficiency wise each year.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
At some point, it's kind.
Speaker 4 (10:55):
Of like breathe Hall is also kind of a factor
in this as well, and he not living.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Up to the expectation.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
So Satral I go, right now, I'm looking at consensus rankings,
and Breece Hall is ahead of like Ashon gen T,
Kyrien Williams, James Cook. I would take all of those
guys over Breece Hall right now.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
I think that changes.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
I also think that, you know, sometimes it takes a
little bit of time for some of these things to
catch up a little bit.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
I'm so I'm looking.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
I'm looking at David Montgomery's numbers. Right He played two
seasons with Justin Fields in Chicago, and in those two
seasons he was running back twenty and running back twenty one.
The year after that he left for he went to Detroit.
Fields was still in Chicago for one more year. The
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running back situation was not particularly great in Field's final
year there. I mean the guys behind him in the backfield,
you know, you had you had Khalil Herbert who had
just over six hundred rushing yards.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
You had Deontay Foreman.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You had Rushawn Johnson that was his rookie year and
he was, you know, getting a little bit of work there.
You had three very unsatisfactory options for fantasy in that
backfield with Justin Fields. But Lakwan, even as even if
you may be down on Breese Hall, I suspect you
would still take him over Herbert Foreman or Roshawn Johnson.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Correct, absolutelyolutely, freaking lotely, that is a disgusting trio.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
You just said, yeah, I mean so like there's that.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean, I guess there's the issue of Okay, there's
still some talent back there. But the whole thing makes
me very, very nervous. Again, even if it's just a
two headed monster in New York, I think the idea
of Justin Fields being the quarterback there means that you know,
I don't know at best, is Breecee Hall still in
RB one And I'm at this moment in early April
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not one hundred percent sure that he is. So just
kind of something to keep in mind, for sure. The
other bit of news more running back news, the forty
nine ers Kyle Shanahan saying that Christian McCaffrey is healthy
but they would still consider adding a running back in
the draft. Lakwan, I will ask you, because you are
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forty nine or hater in chief here, do you expect
the Niners to add a running back in the draft?
And does that with that impact. How you look at
Christian McCaffrey and fantasy drafts.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
I wouldn't look at him different, but they are one
hundred percent drafting a running back. It's kind of like
him and McVeigh, you know, Shanahan and McVay since the
McVeagh air in twenty seventeen. They're drafting a running back.
They want to have that room full of talent, and
that's what Shanahan has displayed. That's how he was able
to find like a Jordan Mason, and how he was
able to step up when CMC went down like they
always want the next guy up. SAMC is going to
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be healthy now in April when we talk about it,
but it's not going to be a situation that's going
to be one hundred percent as the season goes on.
I mean, he's getting up there in age. These injuries
are starting to get up to him. May see a
slight dipping, you know, opportunity for him, but he is
still the RB one of this Shanahan's offense. So I'm
not going to be shying away from taking him in
that second round where he's kind of falling in that
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early second round, mid second round. I still would take
him because it's still CMC. He could still catch the ball,
he's still explosive, all these great things that we know
about his game. It's just that you just have to
have your expectations in order and stay ready so you
don't have to get ready when people. When I go
on this Mike and say draft to backup, draft Jordan Mason,
how I was saying, listen, you have to go get
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the backup for CMC, and you do that with Isaac
Garrendo or whoever they draft. Just have this start, have
your stable ready for that backfield.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
It feels floyal like we are sort of with McCaffrey now,
where we were back in twenty nineteen, where there was
a lot of like, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
He's injury prone.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I'm constessly not even twenty I think probably twenty twenty two, right,
he just missed a couple of seasons with some major injuries,
and it was very much like I don't know, oh,
should you do this. That was also the year he
got traded midway through the season to San Francisco and
then blossomed once again into this absolute fantasy monster. The
difference now is that he's a little bit closer to
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thirty than he was, you know three four years ago.
Does that Lakwan talked about him dropping down into the
second round? Does that make that second round draft price?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And I guess how willing how early are you willing
to pull the trigger on him?
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Second round feels appropriate?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
I go back and forth because it's not just the
fact that he's closer to thirty, it's the injury he
had last year, which was the Achilles tendonitis, which they
said was from wearing tear. And I remember the reports
were like this might never go away and stuff like that.
And anytime I hear achilles, I panic because I do
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believe it is the worst injury a player could suffer,
and it I'm look. I know there was that one
half a year where cam Akers looked pretty good.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
JK.
Speaker 4 (16:04):
Dobbins rebounded last year, but for the most part, there's
not a lot of success stories coming back from a
torn achilles so and I know he didn't tear his
or anything like that, but it's just the nature of
that injury gives me a lot of pause. But if
you take CMC, you need to take the handcuff. We
might not even know who that is. You might have
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to take two running backs like whichever one they draft
and Isaac Grendo. But I'm a big believer that it
does not Matt Like obviously CMC is like the chars
art of the the Shanahan.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
Pokemon Evolution ones.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
But like, I don't care who it is, they are
going to be productive in this Kyle Shanahan run system.
We have seen ten years of this going all the
way back to his Alfred Morris days and stuff that like,
whoever is going to lead running back in his offense
is going to produce for fantasy.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
Yeah, wow, we had an Alfred Morristrup. Did you just
drop a Carlos Hide in there too?
Speaker 4 (17:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Oh, Carlos Hide. I mean that season was amazing.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Loose Hide man, Alguappo Man, that was. That was a
short period in time, but you know it worked out
decently well.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Moster Jeff Wilson, Elijah Mitchell. I'm trying to think the
list just goes on. I can get sixty.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
No, you can't, although you also think you can fight
a kangaroo, So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:33):
Man, all right, we're not going to get into that again,
because I could definitely beat a kangaroo.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
I really see the wheels turning in your head because
I said that right, Like.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
No, you can't. You can't rush for sixty and you
can't fight a kangaroo. I'm sorry, kangaroo.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Can I get a forty?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Run a forty four?
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Five forty? Yes? I get How fast can you?
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Four five four five four six for six four to seven.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Were Credio segment on this show called The Kwan Jones's
Tales of Awesomeness, where you just sit here and you
tell us, like all the things that you can do.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
It's about the confidence, man, It's about the confidence. The
thing is, at one point recently you were like, I don't.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Remember the last time I ran as fast as I could,
And now you're living four to six.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
The climb out here, trying to run like an NFL
tight end, Like what do you do?
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Like?
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Four to six is legit good for NFL people.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
That's fast, that's fa man. All right, all.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
Right, we are going to actually talk about guys who
actually do run fast and can gain sixty yards in
an NFL game. We're gonna dive into some of these
running backs here, broke them down into four tiers. We're
gonna spread this out over the remainder of the show,
stick around and get back to you here on the
NFL Fantasy Football podcast, trying to.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Dive into some running back draft prospects.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Broke these things down into four different tiers as though,
as we have been throughout this conversation. So, uh, Tier one,
a man all by himself is Ashton Gen You've heard
the name a Ton already. You're gonna hear it a
ton more in the next couple of weeks before the draft.
Actually average by I hear it a lot more after
he gets drafted. We know what his landing spot is
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going to be. But the question I always ask Florio
is he a can't misregardless of landing spot.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Yes, I believe so. I think, Well, here's a hot take.
He's good.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
I think he's one of these running backs that, regardless
of where he ends up, he is going to be
highly highly productive in the NFL. Landing spot for him
will determine just how good he is year one, But
I think he's going to be like a top twenty
fantasy running back regardless of where he goes. But there's
certain situations that could prop him into the top ten
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quite easily, like and I know people, I was on
a show yesterday where I got asked like, oh, the
Raiders have a bad O line.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
Is that concerning?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
And I'm like, it's not ideal, But he is the
type of runner that is so physical and just runs
defenders over that like he'll be able to overcome that.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
Obviously.
Speaker 4 (20:06):
My example was something like Saquon, Like Saquon was great
with the Giants, but then you put him in a
great situation and he became the best running back ever.
Like I think gent is one of those prospects like
he's going to be very, very good because he's a
bowling ball. He literally shattered the PFF record for miss
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tackles force and not just like last year like in
their whole era.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
It was one oh five I believe.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
And then he put up like one fifty four, like
he dominated it yards after contact, monster home run hitter.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
I also think he's a better pass catcher than he
gets credit for. He didn't get a lot of targets
in college, but when he did, he was effective with them.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I mean, Laquantitt feels like you're going to have to
spend a first round pick on him. Yeah, yeah, I
mean so I like, so you sigde, which I was
gonna ask, like, are you are you cool with it?
I'm I mean, I know that's where we are with
top level running back prospects, Like we find a guy
we like, that's just what it's going to have to be.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
But are you willing to pay that price?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Yes? And I say that because he'll be going at
the back end of the first round, So Gibbs, Jon
and Barkley will be going in that first round. So
if you want somebody that can be in that conversation,
you're gonna have to spend that late first round on genty.
You're gonna have to get him to be that solid
RB one that you're looking for. If you're looking for
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guys that are in that conversation now landing spot. It
may even shoot to the moon if he goes forward
to the Patriots, because they're gonna run the ball. They're
gonna run him to the ground. And I really feel
as though he'll have, you know, that ceiling that is
going to be like, Oh, I don't care, I'll pay
anything for it because he's definitely going to be in
that conversation of a top twenty, top fifteen type of
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fantasy player next year. So being that he's so skilled
and he's so talented, he could definitely change a fantasy
roster and make them a sin. So honestly, yeah, I'm
okay with spending that you know, first round draft pick.
If I do happen to go running back. You know
me personally, I'm in like thirty something leagues, so I'm
probably gonna be doing so many different builds. But he's
definitely gonna be on a lot of my teams if
I got him at that back end of the first round.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'm all right, So I'm just gonna I'm gonna put
it to you right, let's say you're let's say you're
at nine, right, Ashton Gent or AJ.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Brown give me genty. I honestly think, you know, with
the tush push, everybody's kind of going to be pushing
AJ Brown back up before nine because if they do
band it, and obviously they're gonna have to go back
to throwing the ball and then that can lead to
more you know, opportunities for AJ Brown. But I definitely
feel as though Gent will clear you know, AJ Brown's
finishing fantasy points.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Uh, same question than you, Floya A. J. Brown or
Gentz at the back half of the first round.
Speaker 4 (22:46):
I could see myself going gent just because I I
think I feel good about the wide receiver that I
could get, but the landing spot does matter. They're a
little bit because if he went to somewhere not as great,
I'm a sucker for a J. Brown And I think
last year, uh, it was kind of a down year.
But I think he'll be fine and get back to
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what he normally is. He won't be hurt or anything
like that, hopefully, But yeah, like if he ends up,
there's certain teams that he could go to, like the Bears.
I know people have linked him to, like the Denver
Broncos situation like that where he's gonna get three. I
think if he goes to Denver, Sean Payton learns Sean
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Payton knew when he had good running backs in the past, right,
like like mark Ingram Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
I think there's no way you take gent in the
first round and you don't give him three hundred touches.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
And you mean you would hope not. But again, yeah,
I feel like with Sean Payton, all bets are sort
of off.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
I will quit fantasy that year. I will be done
playing the game of fantasy. He goes to Denver, never
ever playing again.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
That yeah that you know, I'm very curious sort of
how this goes. I mean, you know, I very much
expect that he's gonna be a guy you're gonna have
to spin it up on and again. If the landing
price is right or landing place is right, then that number.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
Shot all right, lakwi. Could we see a scenario.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Is there a spot he could go where suddenly we're
talking about him in the top half of the first
round or is that is that too much?
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Hmmm? I mean, honestly, what would be like he would
have to go in the first five picks for that
to happen. I mean, Jacksonville's at at five, you got
New England at four. Like I kind of feel like
I will pay that price at four if he goes
to the Patriots. But if we're talking Cleveland, then it's like,
all right, well, they have one agenda. They're gonna need
one of their best players to run the rock. They're
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probably gonna give him three hundred touches in his first year.
And if you're gonna have that on the table for me,
then yeah, I'll take him around where Jon or Gifts
are going put him on the Bears. I'm taking him
top five.
Speaker 2 (24:52):
Wow, really yikes?
Speaker 3 (24:54):
I with Ben Johnson. I think Caleb and those guys like.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
Maybe well first first half of the first round is
top six, so yeah, like the names I wrote down
for like Proswell watching him where like Marshall Lynch and
MJD and stuff like that, like elite options guys who
have that home run hitting ability and that freak physical you.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
Can't tackle him mobility. Like I believe Jens is that talented.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
I think he is too, you know, I guess, I
guess sight unseen, not knowing where he's going to get drafted,
I'm I'm still back half of the first round.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Is this a ceiling of talent? Though?
Speaker 4 (25:34):
Like?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (25:34):
Is this it? Like not saying it's bad, but like,
do you see him getting even better at the next
level in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
I think he can. I think there's still room to grow.
I think there's still room for him to improve a
little bit. I mean, as Flerio mentioned, they didn't use
him a lot as a pass catcher at Boise. If
that's a thing that gets added to his repertoire in
the NFL, then there's absolutely room for him to be
even more productive, right, I mean, we know what he
can do as a runner. If we learn that he
can be a bit more of a pass catcher, then yeah,
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there's absolutely room for it to happen.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Do you guys have any concerns with his style of play?
That's the one thing the negative I've seen is like
he is so physical that like it's going to take
a toll.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
I mean, I guess so, but not enough.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
That's like a five year down the road problem.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Yeah, that's not the that's not the deciding factor on
if I'm taking him and where I'm taking.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Him, Dynasty Cell after year three, if that's what we're talking.
Speaker 2 (26:29):
You know.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
In rookie drafts, right, like no questions as Yeah, that's
settled case law.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
Yeah, that's you're taking anybody else you're just trying to
be cool.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Even looks like you're taking cam Ward probably now you're
probably still taking gent Yeah. I think that's that's kind
of just a done deal at this point. Yeah, I mean,
look it to the point if somebody's taking him that high,
we're talking about him going in the top six seven
picks of the NFL draft. Whoever gets him is going
to load him up with touches and so yeah, yeah,
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there are injury concerns, I guess, but there are with
literally every single player in the league. It's the potential
for volume that we love, and that's that's what it
would be.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
If he ends up in Dallas, he will be a
top five pick. Uh yeah, just because of the star
on the helmet.
Speaker 4 (27:17):
I think I don't like the O line at all,
but he'll get three hundred touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Talking to Isaiah Stanback with their offseason moves with you know,
they bringing in coaches O line coach one of the
best old lines is leaving my freaking mind right now.
The name, but he's one of the best O line
coaches in college. So they're going to be building the trenches.
And what he's telling me, Isaiah Standbeck, he's saying that
they're going to run the rock. So Florio if he
ends up there at twelve and Jenti is there, Yeah,
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that might be in the conversations of like, all right,
he might go in front of Gibbs, he might go
in front of Bijon like that. That's how I would
approach that if he ends up on the Dallas Cowboys,
you would take him over those guys. Yeah, I mean
Gibbs already has that little question mark because like, all right,
Ben Johnson's gone, like is this one two? You know,
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Like I would feel a lot better with them addressing
the old line, them bringing in guys, them bringing in
coaches that can perfect this old line and build the
trenches and shot. He already said it. He wants to
run the rock. So Jent goes there. You might have
to put him ahead of a Gibbs and a Bijon
I had.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
Of a Gibbs and a I don't know if I'm
doing that.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
You have to. You have to because if that's what
they're going.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
To do, a thing I.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
Do not, that's.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
That's to me.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
Feels like, yeah, he feels the safest, but I would
question it.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
I'd be like, oh my god, Yeah, I might pull
the trigger on this ahead a beach. It's gonna be
a summer engineer.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Like I don't I'm not ready to do that.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
I'm not here and I don't care.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
I'm not ready to do that.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Money don't make money.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
That's fine. You never go broke taking a prophet either,
that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Uh yeah, this is gonna be worth arguing about for
another couple of months for sure. Over it's here two though, right,
guys that are moving up draft boards, Guys that are
getting a lot of high five guys in this group,
not the Burger place, Omaron Hampton. I guess you have
to have an NFL contract to consistently eat at five guys.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
So there's that part.
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Amarion Hampton, Trevion Henderson, Caleb Johnson, Cam Scattaboo, Quinn, Shawn Jenkins.
Lookwan Hampton is the one that I think is probably
getting the most hype out of that group. I've even
heard that, you know, he might be moving up in
the first round potentially.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Yeah, all right, so he said wow. I mean, so
then let's say, let's let's sug redraft here. Where are
you comfortable drafting a guy like like Hampton at this point?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
So he would have to land in a spot where
he's getting fed because he's a workhorse. I mean that's
what he in college his last two seasons there, he
kind of just got fed the rock. So you're hoping
that the team understands that and stays own task to
feed this monster, because honestly, he could honestly live in
like that late second third round because like people will
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be a little hesitant after the ashing Jent going off
in the first round. So if he's living on that
back and in the second, you know, the third round,
you're like, hey, I need an RB two. Why not
get a guy that's being fed. But again, landing spy
will matter. So it's like if he's moving up in
the first round and I'm looking at some of these teams,
like where could he go, Like where could he live
in that? You know, in that back in I would
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say after the twelve picks, So it's like he would
have to be in a situation where he's getting fed.
He's getting fed, he's getting fed, because that's exactly what
he can do. He can handle that workload.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Looking at the most recent mock draft we did, which
was just after free agency, he was the last pick
in the third round.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
He went at three.
Speaker 3 (30:56):
Twelve shit, and I'm comfortable.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
With that went ahead.
Speaker 1 (31:00):
I'm looking at the running backs, he went ahead up
Kenneth Walker actually went ahead it so he went out
of Joe Mixon, Traves Et and Kenneth Walker. Those are
the next three running backs to go after.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
That feels right to me. That feels perfect right there,
and that's without even knowing where he's landing. So like,
I feel a way because I'm a huge Joe Mixon fan,
So there's like there, you know, I might go back
with Joe Mix. But Martin Hampton he's something special, man,
Like he can catch the ball out of backfield, he
could bulldoze you, and he can make you break your ankles.
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So it's one of those things of like you want
this prototype of a perfectly balanced running back, and that's
exactly who he is.
Speaker 1 (31:37):
Does he, though, Florio, land in a spot right, even
if he's later in the first round, right, does he
land in a spot where he walks into a huge
number of touches. It just seems like even as much
as team seemed to love him, he's going to go
to a spot where he's probably gonna have somebody that
he's sharing touches with.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
It all depends if I feel like, if if you're
a team taking him in the first round, you clearly
have a need at running back. If he was the
fault to say like day two, then that becomes a
lot more concerning because then teams are a lot more like, hey,
it's not a round one pick and everything, and we've
seen a lot of team like that's what happens to
like Javonte Williams in year one and John I mean
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even johnthan.
Speaker 3 (32:20):
Taylor Field around two, which was wild.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
But like, if you're taking this kid in round one,
especially if some box have him going like in the
first half of round one, I feel like that if
you're using that high of a pick, you're not taking
a luxury pick there, right, unless it's the Detroit Lions
who love to take luxury picks. But for the most part,
at that point, you're drafting for need still. So if
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he goes there, I feel like he would get a
fall to a spot that has a lot of touches.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
And while I.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Do think he is the second best running back at
handling that amount of volume and stuff, I think there's.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
A running back that I like more than him.
Speaker 2 (32:59):
WHOA oh all right, oh just put it out there.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Who he's all you traveon Henderson because to me, the
biggest and I'm a huge believer of this and it
constantly goes through my analysis, but to me, I think
the biggest difference between good and great players is speed
and burst and electricity, and it's why the Dolphins offense
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was so hard to stop for a while and stuff.
And I think it's the forty nine ers play fast
like smart team the Chiefs, Like what is the chiefs
number one priority at all skill positions?
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Speed?
Speaker 1 (33:35):
Like?
Speaker 4 (33:36):
I think that is a difference maker in the NFL
because Hampton is the kind of running back that can
get chunk plays. He could get you those fifteen those
twenty yard runs, twenty five yard runs. Henderson is the
type of running back that turns those into sixty seventy
eighty yard touchdowns. And to me, you could do a
lot more with less touches than and especially for fantasy,
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when you start putting up big plays like that, that's
when you be like. That's why I don't think Devon
hen is a top five running back in the prototypical sense,
but for fantasy he is amazing because of all those
big plays.
Speaker 3 (34:10):
And I think Henderson has that in his bag more
than Hampton does.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
I would say, for me the biggest difference between Hampton
and Henderson. Henderson is more of a make you miss
sort of guy. Right, I think I think Hampton is
gonna be kind of a guy that tries to run
through you.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
He's more of a physical sort of back.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I don't know that he's you know, he's got the
sort of lateral ability, uh that you see out of
Trevion Henderson.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
I think both of them are very good.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Just that's I think that's just kind of the difference
in their games, and so I think that's also what
offense they work in too.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
Also, Henderson's amazing in the passion game. He can run routes.
He could really go out there and cut it up
and get open and create these mismatches for these linebackers.
So he's going to be a nightmare. I mean, defensive
coordinators are going to be pissed off. They got a
face him every Sunday. But it's one of those things
that I hope he lands in the spot that understands like,
all right, you're gonna be here to be the Gibbs
(35:07):
of some type. That's why I want him to go
to Chicago so he can get that one two punch
to serve with DeAndre Swift, because Swift has just been ugh.
His efficiency has just been down as well. I mean
it was under four yards this past season. So he
obviously needs help. That offensive line is getting built through
the trenches. If you pull him back like a slingshot,
Henderson's going to the house because, like you guys were saying,
(35:28):
he can make you miss at any time. Like, this
guy's tap dancing at the at the line of scrimmage
and you're like get him, get him, and they can't
because he's so fast and he's just clearing so many yards.
Though it's like one of those things you hope he
lands to a place that understands the assignment and what
he's able to do to bring to that team.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
That tap dancing in the line of scrimmage is a
double edged sword.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Though, right, because in college you make guys look foolish.
In the NFL, those suddenly become three yard games.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
Ah, you know what, since we're on the subject of
these Tier two I'm gonna break the rundown real quick,
Caleb Johnson, he is entering the bag of Saxul discontent. Yes, yes,
we're good, We're good. I was talking to Florio about
this over the weekend, and like I have this thing
(36:16):
about watching his tape, Like if I'm going to put
my kids to sleep, where I need to go to
bed I'm just put on his highlight tape. I am
completely bored. Like he is a spoiled back. That Iowa
line was one of the best last season in college
in the nation, and he is able to run through
these whole Marcus, you could put up one hundred and
fifty yards behind that old line. He is fast.
Speaker 1 (36:35):
Great, Yes, you can alo awesomeness, that's not what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
I just feel though, like I will take this stand
ten toes down on this take because I feel like
he's going to break a lot of hearts this season.
He's going to have to be one to a team
that's going to have the old line ready for him
to go two. He's going to have to go to
a team that pacific in outside scheme, like he's gonna
have to go to like a forty nine ers team.
He's gonna have to have an offense that understand his strengths.
(37:05):
He's not a guy that's gonna be out there breaking
a bunch of tackles. Even though PFF hasn't breakn a
much bunch of mistackles. It's because he's running so fast
and he just kind of bounces off people and he
falls to the ground. I don't look at that as
something as one of these top tier running backs. I'm done.
I'll stand on it. It is what it is.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
I will say though, because Iowa actually had an offense
last year. You know that the previous two or three
years it has been just kind of a punchline because
they could not score points. Last year, they actually scored points,
and Caleb Johnson was a big part of that.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
So I don't know. I mean, maybe there's something there, right.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I'm not a U.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
I don't think I dislike him as much as Lakwan,
but I'm not a big fan.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
Of my hate run. Yeah, I'll tell you if you
want to take I'll give you one.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
Though, I think Cam Skataboo is going to be the
second best fantasy.
Speaker 2 (38:01):
Running I was waiting.
Speaker 1 (38:02):
I was waiting for us to get to him because
I yes, he's.
Speaker 4 (38:05):
Second fantasy outside of Gen T. I think he's gonna
have the best fantasy career.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
He's my favorite.
Speaker 1 (38:10):
You know non Ashton gent division is camp Skataboo.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
People hate him for no reason. The fantasy streets do
not like him. I don't know why they're wrong.
Speaker 4 (38:21):
He's straight enough to have the longest career of any
of these running backs.
Speaker 3 (38:25):
I feel very confident in that.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
You know, like he really only had kind of really
one year of major production, right, and he played a
couple of years at Arizona State. His first year in Tempe,
he was okay. There was nothing really stand out about him.
I mean, I want to say he looked good because
he gave USC fits, but our defense has been trash,
(38:48):
so that doesn't really mean much of anything. But then
last year was the year that everybody started talking about
camp skataboo, right. Seventeen hundred rushing yards, six hundred receiving yards,
a total of twenty four touchdowns from scrimmage.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
It was that one year.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
And I know that for a lot of folks who
do this and who are scouting draft prospects, there's a
little bit of suspicion when a guy shows up that
late in his career and suddenly has one big season.
I think that has a lot to do with people's
hesitance for cam Scatabuy.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I hate that because we have cam Ward going at
one right now like that that that's the same thing
like he blew up in his last year in Miami.
It's for like, I'm just looking at it like that
is whatever you know. Like Cam Skataboo to me when
you turn on his dape, he is not that breakaway
speed guy like people will falling for not running the forty.
He may be injured, but he is athletic. He's jumping over,
(39:42):
he's making you miss, he's moving left, he's shifty, and like,
these are all qualities that we champion all these other
running backs. So it's like he's bringing to the table
receiving skills as well. Oh yeah, sign me up. I'm
on that take with Floria about him possibly being, you know,
one of the best fantasy seasons this year.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I what I love about Cam Scataboo is his willingness
to go out and improve his game to get him
to where he is now. You know, they told the
story about when he first got to Arizona State, and
you know, he was okay and he was willing to
do a lot of things, but the coaches pulled him
aside and said, look, you're not You're not NFL good
(40:21):
and told him the things he had to go work
on to become NFL good.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Right.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
A lot of it was sort of improving strength, working
on his route running, getting better hands and that sort
of thing. Now he's not He's not going to be
a breakaway speed guy, right, He's just not that guy.
I mean when I first talked about him, I think
I mentioned Austin Eckler as a potential comparison sort of
for Scataboo. You know, I'm looking here at Lanzer lines
(40:48):
comp form calling him Jalen Warren. So I think that's
sort of what we are looking at for a Scataboo.
But I do think he's going to be that guy
that people are going to look at, and certainly in
Dynasty drafts. I think, you know, I'm not gonna say
he fall, but he's gonna he's gonna end up in
somebody's lap, and I think they're gonna get a really
good fantasy running back out of there.
Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:09):
I counted into as a runner Karen Williams, but he's
Kien Williams. He is the most dynamic running back in
this class. And that's I got to asked yesterday what
running back room would he fit in, and I was like,
there's thirty two that come to mind, because it's so
dynamic and you could use him in so many different ways.
And look ash and genty shattered the PFF miss tackles
(41:32):
force record last year, but Cam Scatterboo tied what the
previous record was. Like, I feel like that. It's no
love because Genty was so good at what he did.
But like he could be a three down back if
you want him to. He could be a third down
specialist if you want him to. There's a lot of
which is why I think I'll have a very long
career because pass catching backs like this are rare and
(41:53):
you could use him, Like he can legit run downfield routes.
Not many running backs can do that.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Yeah, that's the thing that's heep in mind.
Speaker 1 (42:01):
Were talking about pass catching backs, right there are the
guys who they just sort of stay and hover near
the line of scrimmage and they are basically an option
when everything breaks down and the quarterback has to get
rid of the football. And then they're the guys who
can actually run routes and they are considered as part
of the passing game, right.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
I mean, you know, I was.
Speaker 1 (42:18):
Joking how with Ron Rivera, every running back who catches
the football, he would say, is a Christian McCaffrey type. Well, no,
because McCaffrey, you can actually run legitimate routes for you
can scheme up things in the passing game, Jamiir Gibbs.
You know you can scheme up things in the passing
game versus you know, like say Najee Harris in his
first year, who's basically the emergency He used the break
(42:39):
glass in case of emergency for when Ben Roethlisberger found
himself in troubled.
Speaker 4 (42:43):
The dumpoff, I always write, are you a pass catching
like running back or a running back who can catch
the ball if he gets thrown.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
No, that's good, great scataboo.
Speaker 1 (42:55):
By the way, in our last mock draft, was the
second player off the board in the round. He went
three picks ahead of Brian Robinson. So hey, he might
end up in Washington. So they just move on from
But I think they're still sort of committed to Austin Eckler.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, that's that's my boy too. I'll never I'll never
quit because he's one of.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Us, one of us, one of us for.
Speaker 1 (43:22):
Sure, anybody else in this second tier. But we kind
of I think we kind of hit everybody quinch on Judkins.
Uh any feeling strongly one way or another about Judkins
in this traffic one.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
He's like more of a like he's explosive, but he's
more of a power runner, Like he's looking for that
contact and I love that in some running backs, but
I'm not quite sure if he will prevail, like behind
a whod line that's still needs work because he's going
to be running into their backs. You know, that's gonna
be one of the issues. Like I think Henderson was
more better at bouncing outside and avoiding a lot of
those contact things. But quinch On, he's strong, He's a
(43:57):
power back, so I think, you know, if he has
like the smaller side at that second level of the linebackers,
he'll probably go through them and break away. But it's
more of those things like his his vision needs a
little bit more work.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Yeah, I mean, I'm very curious sort of how how
those two shake out, right, because we've seen plenty of
times where you have two backs coming out of the
same school and it feels like either what usually what
happens is either one goes on and does great things
and everyone ends up being sort of meh, or they're
both sort of mah.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
At the next level, I don't you know.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I'm trying to think of like a backfield where like
both guys went on.
Speaker 3 (44:31):
And Georgia, Sony Michelle, Nick Chubb, and Todd Gurley.
Speaker 1 (44:35):
Yeah, except the Sony Michelle thing was very short lived.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
I mean a CLS took all of them and of
them came out with likees like that.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Was yeah, and Nick being the lasting, the longestt out
of all of them.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
You know, so he got the worst over anyone, and
I know he agrees.
Speaker 1 (44:53):
Yeah, I mean I think in terms of pure talent, yes,
Gurley was that dude.
Speaker 2 (44:58):
Just the god issues. The issues just sort of mobbed him.
Speaker 3 (45:01):
We said it too much. We stood on this a
little long, and I'm starting to feel.
Speaker 1 (45:04):
Sat highlights after this, I'm gonna go great, we'll come back.
Speaker 2 (45:10):
We'll go through tears three and four.
Speaker 1 (45:12):
Then we'll wrap things up here on the NFL Fantasy
Football Podcast, diving into tears three and four as we
talk about running backs getting ready for the NFL Draft
coming up.
Speaker 3 (45:25):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (45:25):
Tier three guys that you think could make a year
one impact. Handful of names here, R J. Harvey, Dylan Sampson,
Devin Neil, Damien Martinez, Trevor et In, DJ Giddens, Jordan James,
and Bashell Tuton, who I think has the most fun
name to say this entire group.
Speaker 2 (45:44):
Rock Root and all that.
Speaker 1 (45:48):
Floria, any of these names that immediately sort of stand
out to you as guys that you know maybe are
worth an end of draft dart throw.
Speaker 4 (45:56):
Look, there's a lot of talent in these names that
we're getting to the point though we're landing. Spot is
going to determine.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
A whole lot. But I like the Jays.
Speaker 4 (46:05):
I like RJ. Harvey the most of this group. I
think he's got a little Bucky.
Speaker 3 (46:10):
Irving in his game.
Speaker 4 (46:12):
I also was like Austin Eckler like because he is a.
Speaker 3 (46:16):
Phenomenal pass catcher out of the backfield.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
And again not just one of those running backs that
all right, break last emergerscy dump it off to you, Like, No,
he's a weapon in the passing game and I am
a sucker for those kinds of running backs.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
And he's fast.
Speaker 4 (46:29):
I like the explosiveness, and what I like most of
all is like it doesn't take him long to hit
his top speed, like one step and.
Speaker 3 (46:36):
He is out. And then DJ Giddens.
Speaker 4 (46:39):
I know there's mixed reviews out there for this kid,
but when I watched him play, I was like, he's
big and he's got better speed than I would have
thought for his size, good hands out of the backfield,
good cutter.
Speaker 3 (46:49):
I know, sometimes not everything is.
Speaker 4 (46:52):
Perfect in his game, and he could run upright, he
could get tripped up at times. But I wrote DeMarco Murray,
we'll watch it him and maybe that is like the
utmost high end ceiling for him and because of his
running style. But but I liked him while while I
was watching him.
Speaker 1 (47:09):
Anybody here that you have taken a shine to look
on man? I love Dylan Samson.
Speaker 3 (47:14):
Man. I can't talk about him enough. I mean, honestly,
he's one of those guys that I hope lands in
the spot they give him opportunity. Because we were talking
Bucky Irvin. I mean, like these smaller guys are coming
out of college and like some of these like you know,
draft analysts and stuff like that are saying, like all
his size, Bucky Iran was like the rookie running back
won last year. So it's like we look at these guys,
(47:35):
they just need to be put in the right spot.
Damian Martinez, He's one of my favorite, you know guys
on this list. I wouldn't even have him in this tier.
I would have him in the tier above, to be honest,
if he lands in the right spot, being that he
has that type of but loosenet for his size and
he's able to run you over and catch the ball
out of the backfield. So this tier is like one
of my favorite tiers when you have so many running
(47:56):
backs that we could really get into that could just
be utilized in different ways. I mean, Devin Neil, he's
another guy that he just puts his foot in the ground,
he is gone, Like you would literally have to be
running your absolute best to go get him. Like I
mean remember in Super Bad with Seth Rudin and when
he was an he's the fastest guy, live the fast lie.
Like that's really what you're watching on tape once he
(48:18):
gets that breakaway speed. And like he's also another guy
that can run routes. He wasn't utilized much in the
passing game, but it's just untapped potential there with a
lot of these guys in these passing games and this
tier alone.
Speaker 1 (48:29):
I would say that I just had this feeling about
Trevor etn Right. He's a different sort of player than
his brother Travis, obviously, but I think when we talk
about landing spot and usage and that sort of thing.
I think he's a guy who sets himself up well
to find himself like a third down pass catching role, right,
So I think that's where he sort of excels. If
(48:51):
you can get him in space, allow him to use
his acceleration and use his elusiveness.
Speaker 2 (48:56):
I think that sort of works.
Speaker 1 (48:58):
And we live in PPR world now, right, And so
I think you talk about some of these other running
backs and asking them to do work on the ground,
I'm I think it's gonna be a little bit harder
for them to have the so, you know, to have
a representative level of production that we're gonna be interested in.
Whereas if you have a guy who you know, say
(49:18):
what you want about full point PPR or even half
point PPR, you're still getting that scoring just by him
catching the football and anything he does after that ends
up sort of being gravy. So I just have a
feeling that, you know, again, all these guys are very
landing spot dependent, but with a coach who really does
want to use his pass catching prowess, I think there's
(49:41):
an avenue for him to go out and be kind
of productive.
Speaker 3 (49:45):
There's guys like Jordan James on this list from Oregon,
Like he is one of those guys that you want
to get utilized more in the passing game, but he
just hasn't, like he hasn't had that potential. So unfortunately
you can't go into redraft and draft and you can't
and go in some of these dynasty leagues for four
rounds and put your chip on him because he might
just land in the backfield. That's just going to be
just another guy in the backfield. Like he's a great runner,
(50:07):
a guy he tied twenty twenty three Bucky Eermon with
eleven touchdowns. So he's like one of those guys that
hasn't no sort of red zone. So he might end
up having some type of role on a team for
red zone doty, but that doesn't necessarily translate, you know,
to Fantasy points consistently every single week.
Speaker 1 (50:23):
Yeah, Jordan James, I just you know, I worry he's
not the fastest guy. No, I think that that's a concern.
Speaker 3 (50:30):
I know that way I wrote down, he punches above
his weight class because there's guys that he's running full
speed at that he will just take them on and
just go full head. And I'm like, jeez, hold your
head up, like your eyes are down, just going full
speed into a linebacker.
Speaker 2 (50:44):
Jesus, that might not work in the thing.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
Well, yeah, because that feels like a thing you can
get away with in college, maybe not so much in
the NFL.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
So that's that would be Michael.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
These linebackers are six eight, three fifty.
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Like, yeah, yeah, that's that's just it's just not gonna work.
It's not gonna work.
Speaker 3 (50:59):
The same when you run up on Fred Warner, you know,
rp your neck.
Speaker 2 (51:05):
Yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
A guys, it's here four as we kind of get
close to the end. Here we got Jayden Blue, Kyle Mnong,
Guy Brishard Smith, LeQuinn Allen, Ollie Gordon, the Second, antaj Brooks, Floria,
any of these guys that you feel one sort of
way about.
Speaker 4 (51:24):
Uh, we're at the point now where I try not
to let myself have strong opinions on players because this
is so landing spot dependent and even these guys, most
of their landing spots they go to, they're going to
have to compete to get that role. So I don't
want myself to fall in love with the player here.
And then they go to a situation where they're like
(51:44):
the fourth running back on the depth chart, and I'm like,
I still like this guy, but like I do jayda
On Blue, I like, I saw some stuff I like
with him.
Speaker 3 (51:53):
He's fast, he's a good runner.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
And I will say I was watching pat Path to
the Draft last night and Bucky was talking up Alemanongai
and I'm like, look, if Bucky has you on his radar,
you are officially on.
Speaker 3 (52:04):
My radar as well. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:07):
Hang, honest, they are literally right in front of my garage.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
I heard it that time.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
I'm say we heard that on Yeah, they're like literally
right for the garage. Like I saw them like clipping stuff,
and I'm like, they're going to totally wait until like
ten thirty to like start using the blower and stuff
around here.
Speaker 3 (52:24):
So that to eleven, Yeah, that's true. So yeah, I
could pick it up when you're ready, though.
Speaker 1 (52:31):
Yeah, I can mute myself if you want to just
just pick it up, I'll talk it.
Speaker 3 (52:37):
So, Flora, you mentioned Jayden Blue. I mean, honestly, the
RAMS community they want him to be one of the guys.
But why I'm so hesitant, Like, yeah, he's explosive. He
brings everything to the table that we're missing with kyn
But it's like the fumbles. The ball security man, he
had four fumbles last year. Like that is like my
biggest issue with the Rams community, like pushing his you
know name up in the hat to be one of
(52:58):
the running backs that we take. And obviously with Sneeze
connection with Texas, so like everybody's trying to put two
and two together, but it's the ball security man that
that drives me nuts. We already got to do with
Kayen with that right now, so like why would we
have two in house?
Speaker 2 (53:11):
Yeah, I mean, I see.
Speaker 1 (53:12):
I think I think when you're talking about guys on
in this tier right who are a little bit lower
as you know, you know, look there's a lot of
landscaping going on in my in my neighborhood, they're just
you know, trying to make the field nice for everybody.
Speaker 3 (53:25):
That man.
Speaker 1 (53:27):
I do think I think this is where past catching
really does make a difference, right, It's it's finding ways
to sort of get on the field.
Speaker 2 (53:36):
Because here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (53:37):
If you're talking about a guy who's like a powerback
who can pick up you know, yards here and there,
like you're really asking for that guy to be touchdown dependent,
whereas you know a guy who catches the football.
Speaker 2 (53:49):
Maybe he's a third down back, maybe he's a situational back.
Speaker 1 (53:52):
But you know, you sort of get that boost from
just him catching the football, getting him out in space,
and more than that, being able to use him sort
of all over the field as opposed to just in
short yardage or just in the goal line. You know,
I think Taj Brooks is example that you know a
guy who can sort of do that that maybe you
(54:12):
see him.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
You know. Obviously, for some of these.
Speaker 1 (54:15):
Guys, past protection is going to be important because if
you're on the field on third down, your job is
going to be to help protect the quarterback. But in
a two minute situation, right if you find a role,
there's no easier way to rack up a bunch of
fantasy points quickly than in a two minute drill where
they're just having to throw the football to you and
able to pick up yards and that sort of thing.
So it's definitely a lot harder when we're talking about
(54:36):
these guys. I mean, these these are really going to
be the guys that you know, the dynasty freaks are
going to just you know, love and try to sell
us on. These are gonna be the guys that look
to your point, Florio, it will be August and I
will have been reading something probably you know, I will
have been scrolling and hearing a lot of hype about
Lea quint Allen or something like that. I'll be like,
(54:57):
sixteenth round, why not, let's you know, like two weeks
in a season, I'd be like, that wasn't smart.
Speaker 2 (55:03):
You know.
Speaker 1 (55:05):
It's a lot of yeah, right, Like the fear is
real that that sort of thing is gonna happen. So
you just have to sort of you know, this is
one of those do your homework sort of things to
to make sure you know what what is going on
there for sure.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, anybody we.
Speaker 1 (55:20):
Missed, anybody that didn't make this list that you feel
like needs to get some shine right now?
Speaker 3 (55:26):
No they yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4 (55:31):
Well we didn't cover lq's boy, Oli Gordon, but we
got time Gordon.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Stan U three.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
Not last season. I mean, I mean last season is
very disappointing, but might get the other night.
Speaker 4 (55:44):
We're like, yeah, Ollie Gordon's gonna get all the love
on Dynasty Twitter.
Speaker 3 (55:48):
It's they are they won't let it go. It's kind
of like Javonte Williams. Sorry, Michael really.
Speaker 1 (55:57):
You really do you have to throw that elbow? That
wasn't necessary? Cool, I'm sorry. Wow, all right, forty nine
ers are draft him. All right, we'll be good.
Speaker 2 (56:06):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (56:07):
On that note, Mark, get me out of here. You
know I'm gonna go and you know, eat my feelings.
Now that you said that, just a reminder that we
are gonna have a special kind of one off episode
for you coming up tomorrow as well. Our interview with
Adam Thielen had a chance to sit down with him
and chat about a whole variety of subjects, you know,
(56:29):
so you get your thoughts on the Carolina Panthers, his
feelings on Bryce Young, on Xavier Lagette, Jalen Cocher, on
David he's been playing for Dave Canalis that sort of thing.
So we talked to him about all sorts of things.
So I'd be sure to check that out as well,
and then we'll be back with you on Thursday. We're
talking to our pow JJ Zacharies and getting his thoughts
(56:50):
on some of these running backs as well, So it
should be a lot of fun for that one. The meantime,
that'll do it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy
Football podcast, Stay happy, safe and healthy, do good and
live well. Enjoy our thead interviews tomorrow everybody, and we'll
talk to you again real soon, mhm.
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Intentionally Disturbing
Join me on this podcast as I navigate the murky waters of human behavior, current events, and personal anecdotes through in-depth interviews with incredible people—all served with a generous helping of sarcasm and satire. After years as a forensic and clinical psychologist, I offer a unique interview style and a low tolerance for bullshit, quickly steering conversations toward depth and darkness. I honor the seriousness while also appreciating wit. I’m your guide through the twisted labyrinth of the human psyche, armed with dark humor and biting wit.