NFL Draft Preview: Tight Ends

Marcas Grant, Michael F. Florio, and LaQuan Jones start the show with the latest NFL news including Sean Payton’s assertion that Evan Engram can fill a ‘Joker’ role in the Broncos offense and a decision coming down on whether or not NFL players will be able to participate in the 2028 Olympics.

Then Grant, Florio, and Jones take a deep dive into the tight end prospects in this year’s draft and consider which of the lesser known names might provide fantasy value (23:41).
Then the guys wrap the show with an update on the best rookie quarterback bracket and preview the final matchup between Cam Newton and Jayden Daniels to decide the best fantasy season a rookie quarterback has ever had!! (48:04)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Everybody. It's Thursday, April third, twenty twenty five. Welcome to
the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We're splaying on handhelds versus consoles.
It's me and your man, nam G Marcus Grand joined
by Michael F. Florio and Lakwan Jones. I know we
talked about this a little bit before the show fellas
either of you saving up to get a a switch
to that comes out soon? Nah, you got you boy?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Got that will deplete the account.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
I am so good.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
I wore the Super Mario shirt. I'm probably I don't
know if I'll get it immediately, but yeah, Nikolette loves
playing the Switch. We play like Mari Kart together and stuff,
so they're new. That's the first game that's coming out,
so I probably yeah.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
I you know, so I got a Switch. It was
a Valentine's Day gift from my wife, and like, for
the first month six weeks or so, like, I played
at the least of anybody in the house. Recently, I've
sort of pulled rank because I bought MLB the show
twenty five and I'm like, yeah, no, I'm trying to
build my franchise up. So you know, it's Dad's turned

(01:16):
to play. Basically, there was a conversation about whether I
would get a switch to, and I'm kind of like
when I saw the price tag, like, we can wait
a minute. We're fine for now.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
A month of groceries or no groceries, just.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Like a week of groceries. Man, Like, what what are you.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Doing after today that day of groceries?

Speaker 1 (01:37):
Yeah, exactly exactly. So I'm sure what I have a
football game? Right? Well, does Madden exist for the switch?
I have no idea. I don't think it does. Does it.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
I think when I back when I had my switch
and it didn't get taken over by my son as well,
it was Madden switch game on.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
There all right? Yeah, actually it is.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
I was.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
There you go, there you go. Honestly, FIFA FIFA video
game is always fun, like all the versions doesn't have
been really fun, so that should be that should be cool. Yeah.
I was like googling and I said Madden switch and
immediately popped up switch to, So I guess it is
work switch. Yeah. The other part of that, our colleague
Scott Hansen is gonna be the new in game voice

(02:21):
for the upcoming Madden So seven hours of commercial free
video game football start now.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I'm sure every.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
Sports quarter is gonna be called the Witching Hour.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
It's gonna be really well, yes, yeah, we're gonna have
the Witching Hour show up there when wins become losses,
losses become wins, to all that good stuff.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
So I haven't heard that in four months.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
A new voice, a new old voice, a new familiar voice.
I guess if you buy Madden coming up in twenty
twenty six, so yeah, it should be or twenty twenty five.
I guess it is twenty six. I think it comes
out in twenty five. They call it twenty six. I
think that's how it works. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
there it is. Twenty five. Just came out last year,
so yeah, right right, we'll get all our days and

(03:05):
our years all straightened out in just a bit, a
little bit of a lighter show. Today, we're gonna go
through the tight end portion of the NFL Draft. Just
a peek behind the curtain here. Running back, wide receiver,
very deep positions. Felt like they deserved two shows a piece.

(03:26):
Didn't necessarily want to split it up over a Thursday
and then carry it over to next week. So we'll
do tight ends today. Next week we will have running
backs in two weeks, we will do wide receivers. Right now,
we are tenatively scheduled to have our friend Matt Harmon
come on. He have reception perception to talk about the
wide receivers for one of those two shows. And so

(03:49):
we're for a few other guests that you may or
may not have heard on this show before, but to
help us out with some of our draft previews as well.
So we'll dive into tight ends. Admittedly it's not a
super deep position at least when it comes to fantasy relevance,
but we'll try to pick apart some of the guys
here that could end up making an impact for your
fantasy team, maybe this year, maybe in the year or two,

(04:11):
so we'll figure that out. We do have the update
on our rookie QB bracket. Lakwan, have you have you
gotten over?

Speaker 2 (04:18):
No comment? No, I'm still in the comments defending bow
because I'm a Bowl leiever. But you know, it's all good.
I think people will just misunderstood of the bracket. So
it's like, okay, cool, now what was at his birthday party?

Speaker 1 (04:30):
That's that's what bonexx Boa callahan same guy apparently, Lakwan,
you get that reference now because you're seeing Draft Day.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, i'llo'd say I've seen Draft Day. So we are completed,
all right.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
But anyway, we will go through the next round of
the QB bracket. In fact, we are down to the
championship matchup, which I think is going to be incredibly
entertaining at least to watch the numbers slowly go up
on the online poll that we're going to put out.
So we'll get to that in a little bit. But
a couple of news headlines. Admittedly this is a slower

(05:04):
part of the NFL calendar, but a couple of things
sort of worth diving into here. First one being in Denver,
Sean Payton says he believes Evan Ingram can fill the
joker role in the Broncos offense. So I guess that
means he's sort of the nude say some hill I guess,

(05:24):
I mean Florio one, Are you buying it? In two?
Does that mean you're gonna suddenly buy into Evan Ingram
again in Denver? No, No, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (05:33):
I could be bought into Evan Ingram at the right cost,
like if he is a borderline tight end one, sure
I could get excited for that, because he could be
the number two target behind Courtland Sutton. But every single
offseason we hear that a new player is going to
be playing this joker role in these offenses, and everyone
gets excited and it leads to no good like remember

(05:56):
it was gonna be Cordero Patterson with the Steelers and
forget who else, Like there's been a bunch of times
where we've heard this. All this means is that you're
not good enough to play a normal role.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
That's what I take.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
My takeaway is, but Evan Ingram is good enough to
be your every down tight end one, just please leave
him in that.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Look if you want to give him.

Speaker 3 (06:16):
A couple of cool touches where you let him do
a couple of different things here and there, sure that
doesn't hurt. But when you try to make a player
Taysom Hill when they don't have a Taysom Hill skill set,
it never works.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
Or even a Taysom Hill type build. I mean, like
this has built like a truck man Like. Evan Ingram
is not physically the same player as Taysom Hill, so
to try to slot him into that role seems a
little bit weird. But I mean Lakwan Sean Payton really
does want to get a tight end involved. I mean,
we saw those years in New Orleans. Aside from the

(06:51):
Taysom Hill headache that was there's always a guy that
seemed to have a little bit of life, and I
thought maybe it would happen again in Denver. I admit
I was a Greg Dulcic guy that doesn't seem to
have popped the way I thought it would. They brought
Adam Troutman in to try to make him a thing
that hasn't really happened. But we have seen Evan Ingram
have success, So at least is there reason to think

(07:15):
I'm not gonna get crazy with it. But maybe we
bump Evan Ingram up our draft boards around or so
now that he's in Denver.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Maybe only because that, you know, Evan Ingram coming from Jacksonville,
he put on good tape, He had great numbers. You know,
even in the nine games that he had last season,
you know, he still was being able to have some
useful games. He put up one hundred yards in Week six.
So it's one of those things like, Okay, he still
has it and he's just suffered that injury. Now Sean
Payton goes out and gets his guy. This should be
the tight end for him because last season neither one

(07:44):
of those tight ends on that roster. It had over
two hundred yards. Really disgusting work there when you look
at it, so obviously there is a need for a
tight end and you go out and get it Evan Ingram,
which I think he could still produce even though he's
a thirty year old tight end. It's fine. He's still
able to go out there and run routes does show
up in the blocking game, in the run game, He's
still able to be the overall tight end with the

(08:05):
perfect balance that he has been in Jacksonville. It's just
a matter is Sean Payton telling the truth? Is he
going to rotate to Adam Troutman. Is he going to
rotate another tight end that we have no idea and say,
is that even a real person. It's one of those
things that I can't trust in fantasy, especially if his
name is on the board and around where I need

(08:25):
a tight end and I'm fishing for a tight end,
I will be a little hesitant because I cannot trust
Sean Payton.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
When you said can we trust him? Did we all
just say Marvin Mems. Did we all did? Did the
name Marvin Mims just pop into everybody's head at that moment?

Speaker 2 (08:42):
It was Marvin Mims estimate. Like, the list goes on
of just the lies after lies.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
So here's my favorite one. I googled this. Uh.

Speaker 3 (08:51):
From on NFL dot Com June one, twenty twenty three,
Sean Payton's vision for tight end great Doltchick could potentially
be beyond just playing tight end and taking on the
joker position. This isn't even the first time he's lied
about using a tight end this way.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
So basically, basically any side end is the joker.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yeah, insanity.

Speaker 3 (09:17):
If I'm Evan Ingram, I'm showing up dressed like Keith
Ledger to training camp.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
That's wild. That would be amazingly amazing. I mean that
is sort of wild, and that you're able to kind
of dig that up right. It's it's sort of like
any past catching running back that played for Ron Rivera
was Christian McCaffrey. Anybody any running back who could even
sort of catch the ball out of the backfield like

(09:41):
Ron Rivera's like, yeah, we can use him as a
Christian McCaffrey type. I was like, you can't no.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Anyone receiver that could run after the catch all you hear, Oh, well,
this guy's like Deebo sam.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
He's Deebo Samuel. We got to be better than this, right,
we got to be smarter than this that it just
doesn't necessarily work that way. But and I'll throw this out,
I think what does work in Evan Ingram's favor? Forget
all this joker stuff, right, I'm I'm not buying into that.
I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that. I
think you know, suddenly we're gonna see the Broncos running

(10:15):
wildcat with Evan Ingram at the goal line. Like, I'm
not anticipating that. But what I do think works for
him is the fact that beyond Cortland Sutton, who gets
targets in this offense? Yeah yeah, right, who gets targets
in the office. Suddon we know is gonna get his.
Marvin Mims is like Schrodinger's cat. He either is or

(10:37):
isn't alive depending on the day. And what Sean Payton
feels like, Luk, And I know you liked Von Vale
and look he had some moments last year. You know,
I'm not gonna deny that he had some moments last year.
I'm not convinced that he is that heavy of a
target earner that I have to be worried for Evan Ingram.
So my concern is overall, what does the Broncos passing

(11:01):
game look like? How how much do they put on
the arm of Bo Knicks, who obviously had a very
good rookie season. How much do they put on his arm?
And you know who are the secondary pieces? And the
way I sit here and look at it, Courtland Sutton
is your number one target. I think Evan Ingram is
number two, and I think that that goes a long
way toward making him at least relevant.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
I was gonna say the scary part two with that
is that that third option could be a running back,
because we already know he's going to try to get
that involved as well, So somebody's going to be sharing
that pie. And this is what makes it a little
bit dangerous or even drafting Evan Ingram to begin with,
because he's not going to be a focal point in
most games, Like it's going to be one of those
carosels of rotating the players and he's just going to
have an important role on specific drives and specific plays

(11:47):
like this is just how Champagne operates, Like, I just
don't know how to take it.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Cam Skatmu.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
I mean, if he ends up in Denver, he's going
to be my number two target. But yeah, yeah, I
look at something right now, Vele who I know you like?
Mkwan listed as the starting slot guy number one is Sutton.
The other competition for out wide number two is Mims,
Troy Franklin and Trent Sherfields like at Perry as well, Like,

(12:16):
just give Marvin Mims the.

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Opportunity please for a long Yeah, I think we would
all like for that to happen. Look, if you still
believe in the third year breakout, which was a big
thing for Fantasy wide receivers for a long time, this
is year three for Marvin Mims. I think what is
key for him is introducing himself to Sean Payton. Just

(12:42):
just walk up to him every day and just say, high, coach,
my name is Marvin Mims. I know you've seen me
around the building a few times. I wear number nineteen
when I'm on the field. I think I'm a good
pass catcher. I think I can be a vertical threat
for you, I think I can get open. I would
like some more opportunity, please. It has more targets.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Every day, every morning you see him. Make it like
fifty first dates, the.

Speaker 1 (13:07):
First dates exactly.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Anything, make him fall in love with you until he
gets you on the field and remembers you. Because Wow,
it's amazing that he's just sitting on the sideline, just
cooking with so much talent.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
When I woke up this morning, I didn't think we
compare Sean Payton to Drew Barrymore. But here we are. Dude,
his final games.

Speaker 3 (13:26):
He was on pace for almost twelve hundred yards, Like,
just give him an opportunity.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
Insane.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, but you at least until we see that happen,
then you know, I still believe there is a path
for Evan Ingram. Top eight tight end potentially is that
the ceiling top eight?

Speaker 3 (13:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
We got some tight ends that we're going to talk
about these prospects that it might be sitting in there
as well.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
So I won't I won't.

Speaker 3 (13:50):
Raft him that high, but I think he can finish
that high.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
Yeah, No, I see something. I don't think the asking
price in drafts is going to be a top eight
tight end. But I do think that if everything breaks right, yeah,
you can finish in the top eight.

Speaker 3 (14:07):
There's gonna be people who in this summer are like, no,
he can't finish top eight, and we do this yearly,
and then you look at the top eight tight ends
at the end of the year and you're like, oh yeah,
right outside of the Kwan, no one thought John new
Smith was gonna do what he like, you know, like
tight end is such a weird and it's one where
like it's so volume dependent. If Kurlan Sutton gets hurt

(14:29):
or something like that and Evan Ingram is getting ten
targets a game, he's easily gonna be a top eight.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Yeah. I mean, you talk about that big season he
had in Jacksonville, how do you think it happened? Right?
They had so many injuries in that wide receiver room
that at times Evan Ingram was kind of the last
man standing. And you know, it's not to take away
from his talent, but opportunity was huge for him in
twenty twenty two and that's how he finished in the

(14:54):
top five. And so sure, there's definitely a strand of
the multiverse where that happens again, right, where something happens
to one of the Broncos receivers, and they do have
to lean on Evan Ingram.

Speaker 3 (15:06):
Zach Ertz was the top eight tight end, Patri was
the tight end nine. Like, we weren't excited at any
point last year for Pat Fried.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
No, I don't even remember him playing or catching a ball.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
That's because, as Najee Harris told us, the Steelers didn't
have an offensive identity.

Speaker 2 (15:26):
That old Arthur Smith is at it again. He just
hates the tight end position. Yeah, apparently, apparently it's not
just a Kyle Pitts thing. Apparently he just hates tight end.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
He hates the starter. Let's just put that clear. He
hates the starter because, yeah, John knew he was the
guy in Atlanta.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Man. I go back to twenty seventeen when Jason Witten
was a top ten fantasy tight end and pretty much
all he did was catch the ball and fall down.
And he's still finished as a top ten.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Catch eleven, right, exactly.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
So, right, it's gonna be interesting to watch sort of
how this happens and whatever we think. We know Sean
Payton's going to do the opposite because he hates our
fantasy teams. Yes, I'm Roger Goodell said recently that they
have not made a decision just yet on NFL players
participating in flag football in the twenty twenty eight Olympics,

(16:20):
but they do expect to make a decision on that soon.
I know. It seems kind of fun, right, Like we
sit around here, we talk about like, ooh, how awesome
would it be to watch people from other countries try
to run around and catch Lamar Jackson or you know,
watch them try to line up on Justin Jefferson or
something like that. But I mean, Lakwan, is this actually

(16:42):
a good idea to have NFL players playing flag football
in the Olympics.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yes, I mean, look, we got the NBA players. They
go overseas and they represent our country. Like I would
love to see football out there, you know, competing for
flag football. Like I want to see these guys actually
go out there and compete like the Bowls whatever what
it is now. But when you add it at different yeah,
when you add it a different countries, and it's like, Okay,
there's some pride that goes into this. But like you said,

(17:09):
I would love to see people try to stop Lamar Jackson.
I would love to see people to stop Devon a
Chan or even try to stop Patrick Mahomes and how
creative he could be. Because flag football, man, like, there
is some level of a competition there where you could
take that serious. Because me playing in the past, like
there's some there's some trash talk that goes in there,
you know, and you can't really tackle them to take

(17:31):
your anger out. But it's more of those things. But
you could just show how competitive you could be. So
I think it's a good idea. I think it would
be very entertaining.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
I am forget the you know, obviously there's the the
one big red flag right Florida. It's like you send
your NFL player out there and he gets hurt and
he misses the season because he's playing flag football. I mean,
let's let's put that aside, right, Yeah, that's firm sport.
And not to mention the fact that look as a
baseball fan, there's a baseball history of just weird ass injuries,

(18:02):
Like the weirdest they have the weirdest injuries, right, Dudes
getting locked in tanning booths and people falling off their
trucks while trying to wash them. I mean, you know,
players ironing their jerseys while wearing them allegedly like baseball
has a whole bunch of weird injuries when you did
to it feels like, though flag football is very different

(18:22):
from NFL football, right, we're like at least in basketball,
Like I know the international rules are slightly different, but
the game is still kind of the game, and there
are people men and women who just focus strictly on
flag football, Like I do wonder whether or not there's
an adjustment period for NFL players to sort of change

(18:44):
their mindset and their their style of play to fit
the flag football mold.

Speaker 3 (18:48):
That was my biggest takeaway, Like one I agree with Lakwan,
Like I'm going to watch I'm going to be very entertained.
I want to see all of the best players in
the world doing their thing.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (19:00):
And it seemed like I love like Olympic basketball is
maybe my favorite sport, Like I love the Olympics and
World Baseball Classic. I'm really excited for next year all
of that. But yeah, to your point, Marcus, World Baseball
Classic plays under regular rules. The FEBA rules are slightly different,
but it's like not really like it's still the same game,

(19:22):
you know, flag football, like Laquon I've played it. It's
very different from regular football. You can't run through people.
It's all about cuts and jukes and stuff. So that's
why I'm a little bit more fearful of injury with this,
because you're trying to do something that you don't normally
do on a football field. And like, I know people

(19:43):
I forget his name, the quarterback who won the team
USA the flag, gold or whatever, and he was like
any better at life than Patrick Mahomes and everyone makes
fun of them. Maybe quarterback isn't isn't the position to
say that with, But like, yeah, like instead of being
able to lower my shoulder and run through you, now
I got to try to juke and run around you
and stuff.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
So I'm excited.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
I'm here for it. But this, to me, my original
thought when I saw this question was like, it's a
good idea until it's not, and it probably takes one
key injury and then teams are like nope, no more.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah. The other part of this is for me in
the Olympics, I do sort of like also the fact
that you get to know the names of people that
you had never otherwise known. Right Like every year in
the Olympics, there's always there's always an athlete or too
in a sport that maybe we don't follow regularly, it

(20:34):
comes out and has a huge appearance a huge a
huge Olympic tournament, and they kind of get to become
celebrities for a little bit, right and and they get
to be, you know, kind of a big deal. Like
I think about immediately coming to mind the US women's
rugby team from this past Olympics and Alona Mayer who
became kind of a star, right because like we watched
her and she she was a little bit Marshaun Lynch

(20:56):
out there right, like literally just running through a face
over and over and over again, right, Like that was
that was kind of cool. And I you know, like
or the I think it was Stephen Denerosik, the gymnast
with the glasses that everybody kind of got to know
a little bit, right Like after the Olympics they ended
up on Dancing with the Stars, and like that was
kind of cool, and like, yeah, it would be fun

(21:17):
to watch Lamar Jackson humiliate, you know, somebody from another
country the way he does linebackers on a regular basis.
But like we've seen Lamar Jackson be a star, like
I do kind of want other people to get a
chance to.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
Be to that point. Like even the international players that
we have in the NFL, they would go represent their
countries for the other teams, Like that would be super
cool to see. Like I would love to see like
some of the guys that are just backups or you know,
on the practice squad have the opportunity to start and
play for their country, because I feel like that pride,
Like if I can go out there and represent my

(21:49):
country and I'm putting on and I beat Patrick Mahomes,
like yeah, we won the Olympic. Go to over your
Patrick Mahomes and then go back to the States with
that medal and kind of celebrate and be braggadoses about it,
Like I think that'll be a cool experience for somebody.

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Yeah, Jaam Johnson, friend of the show, you can represent
Germany playing for Germany.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I'm like I was like trying to like dig up
like at the backup for the Chiefs.

Speaker 2 (22:13):
I think he was the first Nigerian quarterback that had
the opportunity to start for a team. But I forget
his name. It's like Chadwick Zeon. I'm like blanking right now.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
I mean, would like would like Jimmy Garoppolo play for Italy.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Anything like the World Baseball Classic where Italy is like,
if your name end's inn a Val, come play. Brandon
Nimmo playing who's born and raised in Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
They got a little bit laxed with that in the
World Baseball Classic where it was almost like if you've
ever eaten that an Italian restaurant, like you can come
play with us or something like that.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Mariolly almost didn't play for Italy, but he was a
resident adopted so he was able to play. They made
it a whole big thing.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
Yeah, and like you know, Joel Embiid has like three
different countries he could possibly play.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
Davin already came through with it. Italy's quarterback is Tommy Davite.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
Oh yes, make the shirts right now.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Tommy Cutlet's playing for Italy in flag football twenty eight Olympics.

Speaker 2 (23:11):
Put off a big jersey.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
My guys, Tommy Cutlet's out here slaying it for Italy. Wow.
Love that. We're gonn take a breaking back. We'll talk
some tight ends. Uh. There are a couple of names
that I think everybody's going to be looking for in
drafts this year. But there are a few other names
that maybe if you want to dig a little bit deeper,
you a little bit of a sicko you play like
a dynasty league or something like that, you might want

(23:32):
to know as well. So we'll talk a little bit
about that. Coming up next on the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast,
I'm gonna dive into some tight end prospects for the
draft coming up in a few weeks. About three weeks
actually from today, is when the NFL Draft kicks off
in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Look, I mean, let's let's just

(23:55):
keep it a buck here, right. The narrative for mini
many years was that rookie tight ends don't produce in fantasy.
That's sort of been blown up at least the last
couple of seasons. Last year it was brock Bauers having
a phenomenal year. The year before that, it was Sam
Laporta doing big things. So it is possible that it

(24:17):
could happen. I think it's also fair to say, though, guys,
that there aren't a lot of rookie tight ends who
are relevant in fantasy. Right that we get one, But
that's kind of it. I'm two, you're almost pushing he
was kind of pushing it. But I did break it down.
I got a handful of guys here, and I broke

(24:39):
them down into tears. Tier one is an easy one.
Tyler Warren, Colston Loveland. I have been on record multiple
times on this show saying that Tyler Warren is the
guy that I would like to target in drafts. I
get the feeling, Florio, because you know, we drafted other
people who do this, other people who spend a lot

(25:01):
of time on this. Is the asking price for Tyler
Warren going to be more than I'm willing to pay
this summer.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
Are you willing to draft him top ten?

Speaker 1 (25:12):
Yeah? I can draft him top ten, then you do that.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
I don't think he's gonna go top five because I
think the top five is pretty set with like you
have Bowers and McBride at the top.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
I think like the Porter will go.

Speaker 3 (25:25):
Ahead of him, Kittle, you got Andrews or Hockinson, depending
on how you feel about them. But after those guys
are off the board, I think Warren is it could
be the next one up, depending on where he lands, because,
like you said, the top tight end in recent years
has always has been a little bit more fantasy friendly,
but I think it's more than that. Like you you

(25:47):
watch Tyler Warren play and you're like, Yeah, this guy
can one. He's built like a house, Like, he's got
the size to play in the NFL, the athleticism, he
can move, he's got good hands. Like when I was
watching him, I always just write a player that I'm
reminded of, and I watch him and I wrote Greg
Olsen's name down, But then I also wrote, he's like
George Kittle if George.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Kittle was gronk size, which kind.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Of tell you how Like, I don't think he's gonna
be like a like a field stretcher or anything like that.
Like Kittle can be at times, but he can win
in the intermediate occasionally deep.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
But this guy's going to be a yack monster in
the NFL. Looking at lancer lines comp for him because
the way you described me, right, you said George Kittle
if he was gronk size, Lancer line has Jeremy Shockey,
which I think sort of fits, which sort of fits right,
an athletic tight end, I'm, you know, who can contribute

(26:44):
to the running game. But his biggest value is going
to be as a pass catcher, because he was a
lot of times, if not the entire offense for Penn State,
a really good trunk of at least the passing game.
He was a big part of of what Penn State
did this past year. I mean, so ok, I have

(27:07):
been the person who the last few years has decided
like I'm just gonna go out and I'm gonna I'm
gonna take a tight end early, right, I'm gonna get
one of the top five guys because I just don't
want to have to deal with it. But is Tyler
Warren the guy to make me change my mind?

Speaker 2 (27:24):
It could be, but just have your expectations, you know,
a little bit hesitant based on landing spot and honestly,
like I appreciate his versatility. He could throw the ball,
wildcat and all that stuff we like. To be real,
we might not see none of that. We might flash,
you know, one game out of the season, but that's
not what he's gonna probably be doing in the NFL.
It's more so you appreciated about him, like he's a

(27:46):
very balanced tight end. So more so the landing spot
will have to matter a ton before I take him
off the board for any draft this summer. Like, honestly,
he going to the Saints. I would like that. I
will understand that he will be a focal point. They
need help his pass catchers, Chris o Lave. He's dealt
with some injuries in the past. He's in the saturl
distent and discontentscontent.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Yeah, yeah, he's in there.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
He's trying to get out. But more so, he needs
to be a focal point in the offense for me
to take him off the board. Where he's going to
go after the Hawks, after the Andrews and stuff, because
these are proven guys. So he could change your mind.
Because if he goes somewhere he could be a focal
point and have a high target share. Then I'm bumping
them over Hawk, I'm bumping them over Andrews. I'm bumping
up even maybe over Kittle, just going, just going into

(28:30):
this summer.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
Talk about him throwing the football. Could he be a joker?

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Don't you put that on him?

Speaker 1 (28:39):
No? Would he go to Denver and be a joker?

Speaker 3 (28:42):
Maybe?

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Please don't do that. No, I'd rather him go to
the Jets. Let me put it like that. Jets have
the opportunity to snag him off the board as well.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
They do, and the Jets have not had a feasible
fantasy tight end in my life. I remember, I'm not
even saying that like as an exaggeration. They have not
really ever had a notable fantasy tight end in my
years on this earth. They have just, for the most part,
punted on the position. Yeah, good stretcher, they really are.

(29:13):
They really just kind of punted on the position for
a good stretch of it. I was gonna suggest, I
don't know if there's enough targets there. I'm gonna suggest
him going to the rams, but one he's not going
to be available. He'll be going before then.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
The other guy might be there.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Well, we can see the other guy in just a sec
I mean so, I mean flora is is is he
a canvas regardless of landing spot or is he going
to be dependent on who drafts him to be relevant
in that first year.

Speaker 3 (29:40):
I think he will be relevant in year one regardless
of where he goes. I think the landing spot will
determine how relevant. Like is he a weekly streaming type
or is he an every week starter? Like I don't
see him being someone that's just on waivers all year
because we can't use him, Like he's far too good
for that. I think and like, if you put him

(30:01):
in the right spot, he could be getting drafted well
within the top ten. If you put him in a
spot where it's very crowded or something like that. I
still think I think it'll be something similar to what
like brock Bowers was last year, because remember we were like,
he's behind Devontae Adams, they have Jakobe Meyers, Michael Mayer's there,
and that led to Bowers being drafted as like a

(30:22):
more of a high end tight end two. But he
was still drafted in most leagues. So I think worst
case scenario for Warren is something like that.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Yeah, I still I mean, I'm glad brock Bowers worked out.
It still makes me a little bit sad because I
thought Michael Mayer really did the ratings just take Warren
at six. Well, but they can't because they're gonna take
Ashton Jenz said, just a whole tight, whole tight end offense,
the all tight end offense there for.

Speaker 2 (30:49):
The mean the Rams will take Michael Mayer and make
the trade.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
Let's do it.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Here's here's a wild one for you guys.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
What's that the Panthers at eight. I was just about
to say that, I'm like looking, I was like, how
much do you guys love Jatavian Sanders, Like, how much
do you believe in Jatavian Sanders? Because if not, I
like them.

Speaker 3 (31:06):
I like Sanders, but move over.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
He would be the.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Number one target there.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
He would be the number one target there and it's
up for grabs.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
But man, I would hate that for him. I would
hate that for Jalen Coker. I would hate that for
Xavier Leaguet, like, I don't do that, Panthers, Please don't
do that. You'll mess up everything.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
Don't do that. The other spot that could be interesting
and I don't. I don't think they're gonna do it
just because they have so many more needs would be Jacksonville, Yeah,
having moved on from Evan Ingram. Five is high for
tight end unless you yeah, I just I don't. I
don't see them making that move at five. It doesn't

(31:45):
necessarily make sense for them. I think they trade down,
But in terms of you know what it would mean
to the offense, I think it's a good fit.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
The Colts are another team I've heard rumored like tied
to them because they've been searching for a tight end
for like eight years now.

Speaker 2 (32:01):
Moiley Cox has gone and that never really worked out.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
We're not doing that. I know there's I know there's
like a Moiley Cox hive on their social media. Was
that part of it? Who are who are the two
tight Ens?

Speaker 3 (32:15):
Dwayne Allen, Kobe Fleener right.

Speaker 1 (32:17):
Like excited, Hey, hey, hey, put some respect on Jack
Doyle's name.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
All right, Jack Doyle?

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Wow, with some respect on Jack Doyle's now like two years,
two seasons where like Jack Doyle was kind of a thing,
especially if you streamed tight ends. There was there were
the Jack Doyle years there.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
So let's Eric was wild.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
But the other guy in tier one and you alluded
to him already, Colston Loveland. And look the thing about
Colston Loveland one, it's it's his talent too, It's it's
the school he went to, right, Because we have gotten
in a mode where recently tightened prospects from Michigan and
or Iowa tend to draw our attention because those guys

(33:08):
have had instant success in recent years. Lancer lines calm
for him is Sam Laporta. Speaking of guys who went
to Iowa, Lakwan, you were sort of hinting at this,
could he be a fit in Sean mcvay's offense, but
also are are there enough targets for him in that
offense now that Devonte Adams is in town?

Speaker 2 (33:28):
So that's like a perfect spot that I've been seeing
him go at twenty six if he's there. Honestly, I'm
actually not in love with Loveland. I actually rather we
pivot in way later for another tight end that we're
going to probably talk about. But Loveland just has size.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Man.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
To me, he's a big target and if he gets
utilized properly, he could fit in a McVeigh offense. He
could fit in another offense like the Titans or maybe
the Houston Texans. But it's more so like that landing
spot is going to be definitely important as well, where
he goes, where you'll be taking him off draft boards.
I don't see him as like as close as everybody

(34:02):
has him as Tyler Warren. There's a huge gap there
for me personally. I feel as though like his landing
spot is going to be very dependent on his NFL career.
We might be waiting for like a year two, year
three breakout for him because he might end up in
a situation where he's going to be sharing that role
with somebody.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
If if we're talking about maybe a landing spot, what
about we pay him with be their boy Florio Jaden
Daniels in Washington.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
We could do that. I mean, he needs another target
there he could learn from. He would be the like
the fourth tight end to get buried behind zach Ertz
and zach Ertz's career.

Speaker 1 (34:36):
I mean, how much longer can this happen? Like you
can't keep getting away with this?

Speaker 2 (34:39):
How much longer can zach Ertz he was supposed last
season be sent it?

Speaker 1 (34:44):
So? Like? I like, I wanted to believe in Ben
Senate as like a deep sleeper, but I don't know,
he might just end up being more of a kind
of a blocking HVAC sort of guy.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Yeah, I do agree with you, l Q, though I
I don't have Lovelin in this same grouping as Warren
like to.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Me, there's a clear gap there.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
Pat Friarnmuth was the name I wrote, which, look far
is a very good tight end at the NFL level,
but he's not elite and that's kind of what I
think Lovelin could be. How about we just twenty two
to the Chargers, let him play with his college coach,
like I yes, yeah, they needed they need another pass catcher.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
I mean I just immediately just thought, well you said that.
I mean, like, oh, it's just like it'd be like
bringing Hunter Henry back the Gangs. I say that in
the sense of like I had such high expectations for
Hunter Henry and they just never He's just never quite
reached him. He's been good, bordering on very good for stretches,

(35:46):
but he just never really all came together tight End
twelve from this past season case in point I wire.
For most of the season, you just validated everything I
just said about about Hunter Henry. We're like, yeah, it
was good, probably could have been better. It's just kind
of been the story of his career. And I feel like,

(36:08):
I don't know, maybe that's maybe that's just the nature
of Chargers tight ends, right, because Jerald Everett was sort
of that too, Right, It's good at times, probably could
have been.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Better overall, you never really fully got the keys.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Yeah, yeah, I guess, you know, and then last year
really just not being a factor at all in Chicago
of Everett. So I mean I answer it with you.
You know, maybe we could have dropped Loveland down to
Tier two, which you know, seems like a good way
to transition into Tier two. You know, I look, man,

(36:48):
all the transitions aren't going to be great here. You
just got to roll with what you get. Sometimes, Mason
Taylor out a lot of lsu No granted, I think
in tier two, right, you got Mason Taylor, I got
Harold Fann in junior. These are guys that are not
They're not gonna be fantasy relevant in re draft leagues.
Not this year, maybe in a couple of years. I

(37:12):
don't know. Lakwan, does one stand out over the other?
You said, there's a guy that maybe you think sort
of fits somewhere. I mean, which which one of the guys?
Is it one of these two guys that you like?

Speaker 2 (37:22):
It could be both. Now here's my take on it.
Mason Taylor. He gives me like Tyler Higbee vibes, where
he will be good in real life football, but won't
be a reliable fantasy source, you know in the year one,
Like he just won't be a guy that you can
depend on, Like he has some of the great qualities
of a tight end, but a lot of him is
just rolling out red zone presence. That's about it. Try

(37:44):
to pin that to one week. Good luck now with
Harrow Fan and Junior, Like a lot of people knock
him because of his incredible stats, at him breaking tight
end records and like the nation, but it's like, do
you know how hard it is for the opposing team
to know the ball is going to you? And he
still goes out there and just turns up and does
all the incredible things he has done on tape, Like

(38:06):
he has John Newsmith DNA in him. And again I say,
this landing spot is going to matter for all these guys.
But if he ends up in a great situation, a
situation with McVeigh where McVeigh has been chasing this athletic
type of tight end for a while now, he had
Jared Evard and Tyler Hibby kind of running at one two.
If he gets him and kind of develops him to

(38:26):
be what his masterful like vision is for the tight
end position, he could have some years ahead of him
where he could have a really really nice, solid, you know,
fantasy outing. But the situation in scheme is going to
matter a ton for a lot of these tight ends.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Yeah, I mean I think for a guy like Fannin,
he is going to have to go to a place
where they don't necessarily care about his blocking in the
run game. No, But I think the downside to that
is that I don't know that he is going to
be productive enough as a pass catcher to get a
pass on that. You know, I think, especially coming in,

(39:03):
you're going to be asked to to block, to contribute
in the run game and occasionally get some opportunities. Like
he's not brock Bauers, right, Like brock Bauer is a
good blocker, But if he wasn't, what he gives you
as a pass catcher is so good that you know,
if you're the Raiders, you can sort of overlook that, right,
Harold Fannin's not that guy, right, He can't. He can't

(39:25):
just win you over with his offensive ability. So I
think that is going to be sort of an obstacle
to him getting on the field consistently. And like I'm
trying to, I'm trying to look at a team that
could use a guy in that role, and I just
I'm not seeing one necessarily.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Arge point where he can go, right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
You know, I just don't know where he could go
where they'll just give him that that freedom to do that.
I don't know if this does either one of these
guys move the needle for you?

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Florio, Yeah, I was not huge on Mason Taylor. Watching him,
it was just a lot of like screens and rollouts
and he doesn't even like break tackles or be shifty
after the catch like he would just have He would
whatever space was in front of him. That's what he
was going to get you like, and that's cool and all.
But like to me, it wasn't a needle mover. But

(40:17):
Fannin I liked because, like Lakwan said, he was the
clear go to guy for this team, like whenever they
need it it was a big down or late in
the game or whatever, He's who they're looking at and
teams still weren't able to stop that. The name that
I wrote down for him was Dalton Kinkaid, uh because

(40:38):
like Kinkaid, he won.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
I think he moves more like a receiver than a
tight end.

Speaker 3 (40:43):
He's undersized a little bit, but run blocking his issues
and stuff, but like he can win downfield. He's a
yak guy, like he needs a little bit more development
I think in year one than a Kinkaid did. But
that's the player that just kept coming to mind, and
that's kind of the role because like the Bill's Polkin
kate off on running plays, like that's Dawson Knox's job,

(41:04):
you know. So like I think if you put fan
in in the right set up, in the right build,
he could have a lot of success.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
At the next level. Yeah, I am. I again, I'm
always surprised when you compare somebody to Dalton Kincaid, considering
by the end of the year you wanted to put
him on a block of ice and just ship him
out in the middle of the ocean. So I you
know he's in the satchel because very much he is
very much in the satchel of discontent. Yeah again, I
think I think these are guys for whom landing spot

(41:35):
is going to matter supremely over everything else, just because
I think their their path to getting on the field
and being contributors, especially in year one, is going to
be very, very limited by the way. You fail to
mention that Mason Taylor is the son of former Dolphin
Jason Taylor. That's why.

Speaker 2 (41:56):
Yeah, his football I keeps pretty high, Like he knows
where to be on the field and he's a chain mover.
So these are good qualities of a tight end that
you want, but for fantasy, it's just not going to
translate for happiness.

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Yeah, his father Taylor, his uncle is Zach Thomas.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
By the way, you're gonna be so pissed off, Like.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
It's funny I wrote, like good fort zone a lot.

Speaker 3 (42:16):
Of concerns versus man like I, and that's the football like.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
You and him like yeah, yeah, just just knowing how
to get open, how to find that empty space, uh,
and that sort of thing. The next tier of guys,
I feel like, are pretty much like you're you're a
dynasty manager and you're you're sort of trying to dig
up that that diamond in the rough, that guy who
could maybe in a couple of years find his way

(42:41):
into a what fantasy a streaming role potentially reserved. All right,
So I got I got Elijah Royo, Gunnerhelm Thomas Fedoni,
which is the one that you like the.

Speaker 3 (42:52):
Most, Florio Elijah Royal Yah was watching him play. I
get to just watch him word again. But oh I
get it like he's missed a lot of time due
to injury and stuff, and there are areas of his
game that needs work, but like one he.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Is such like he's a good yak option.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
He's a smooth, natural runner like he and more than
these other tight ends. He can win downfield and was
used downfield and has that big body can be used
in the red zone. So again landing spot, how he's used,
all of that is going.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
To greatly matter.

Speaker 3 (43:25):
But just watching him play, I liked him more.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Than Mason Taylor person. Oh wow, all right, yeah, I
mean you seem you seem to be on board of
the Royo as well.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
Yeah, hot take. I think it could be a day one,
year one contributor if he lays with Jacksonville. Yes, because
Florio hit the nail on the head. Evan Ingram wanted
to be used more downfield. Now with Liam Cohen, he's
definitely going to be able to use a tight end.
And it's not gonna be Breton Stream. I understand he
flashed last season, but if they draft Elijah Royo, boy,
that starting job is going to be his speed, agility,

(43:58):
Like he could do it all and he plays tough,
so it's like one of those things. You put the
rock in his hand, you're going to get nine yards.
Like that's nearly what he had per reception, Like it's
insane about him being a third option but his ceiling
could be so much higher if he gets that opportunity.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
I mean, I will say there are targets to be
had in Jacksonville, right, I mean Brian Thomas was amazing
last year. Yeah, Evan Ingram only played nine games because
of injury, but beyond that, there just was nowhere else
that you felt like they were consistently going with the football.
I mean, what your your team, Parker Washington.

Speaker 2 (44:35):
I know LQ like he has to survive the draft.
I mean that that haven't been very vocal lately about
it because he has to survive the draft.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
So we'll see, yeah, I mean side we'll talk about
wide receivers in a couple of weeks. But like, could
you see a tech NC millin maybe land in Jacksonville
And how much would that break your heart? Man?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
That that man, because just would just be like, yep,
you're done the elite off of Dynasty rosters.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
Yeah yeah. Ted McMillan going to Jacksonville. I think is
is rip potentially for for Parker Washington, at least for
this year for sure. All Right, it's the tiding position.
I know that for a lot of us, it's it's
gonna be speculative. I think in in fantasy drafts this year,
Warren's gonna be a guy that everybody sort of wants.

(45:25):
I think Lovelin's gonna draw a lot of interest for people.
But beyond that, it is very good. It's gonna be
very speculative, and it is going to have.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
A gun or health. We forgot to mention him too. Yeah,
I look at him as a guy that he could
probably be like an Austin Hooper, like at his ceiling,
like he gives off like tough mentality, but like he
makes some bonehead moves. Expect some yo laundry with him,
Like he has to get he has to develop a
little bit more. But I could put a chip on
him in Dynasty, you know, hoping for like a year

(45:52):
three breakout, But there's not much you know, ceiling for
him in fantasy right now.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
So yeah, yeah, that's the thing. That's the thing with
Dynasty tight ends, right unless you're targeting those guys at
the top, you really do have to be prepared to
just sit and wait for two three.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
Let him have the good traits and like he could
be a huge contributor for a team. It's just one
of those things like he has nowhere to go right
now where that can happen for him, Like he's not
going to be better than the guy that he already
got there.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
As you're talking, there's one name that came to mind.
Albert okuyabunham Man Alberta, Alberto Alberta. I bought in. I
bought it in a big way. I spent all one
summer learning how to properly pronounce his name because I
figured I was going to be saying in a lot.
I was not saying it a lot. Which again again

(46:49):
you know, sometimes dynasty tight ends work out, sometimes they don't.

Speaker 2 (46:52):
Wait, did Sean Payton hype him up.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
To Yeah, I think he was a shot.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (46:58):
No, I don't think he was a Sean Payton guy.
He went to Denver. That might have been a year later. Yeah,
I don't know if that was a Sean Payton thing.
So either way way, he's a lieout it did it
did not work out? Wait, no Denver, Yeah it's Nathaniel

(47:19):
Hackett and uh, yes, so it did not. It did
not happen with Sean Payton.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
That he was supposed to be Russ's big guy, right,
I think that that's what it was that's what it was.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
I think that's what it was. Yeah, because I think
that's why I got excited, because I'm like, hey, Russ
likes the tight end. He wants to get his tight
ends involved. Like this could be a thing. It was
not a thing, but then a Russ was not a
thing in Denver either. All Right, Swade Russell Wilson, he
was in the first round of our Fantasy Rookie QB bracket.
He did not farewell against Cam Newton. Cam Newton has

(47:51):
moved on. No surprise, he's in the finals. We'll talk
about his matchup. Should be an interesting one. No, we'll
do that to wrap up the show here on the
NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. As we close things out, we
have moved on to the finals of the Fantasy Rookie
QB season's bracket. It's almost like I did this on
purpose to line up with the Final four actually happening

(48:13):
in San Antonio this weekend. Weird, however, now and then
I get one of these things right. It is one
versus two, which I guess is fitting flori Oni. We
got pretty much chalk all the way around, and the
men's both tournaments, right, I think on the men's side,
it's four to one seeds. On the women's side it's
three ones and a two rip usc Like, you know,

(48:34):
who knows what it's different if Juju stays healthy, I'm
gonna hold onto that for a long time. But anyway,
in this tournament, it's one versus two. It's Cam Newton
versus Jade and Daniels. I guess, first, any surprises how
the second round went. Cam ran away from Robert Griffin
third and Jade Daniels blew out justin Herbert. Any surprises there? No,

(48:56):
we won.

Speaker 3 (48:57):
I thought the Jade and Daniels blow out my even bigger,
and I thought the Cam RGI three to one might
be a little closer. But I think from the start
we all kind of envisioned that this would be the finals.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yeah, I think so, Like, I know, does it make
it better or worse for you? Lakwan that RG three
got blown out by Cam Newton after the way he
took care of bon Nicks.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
That's insane, first of all, like the disrespect bro. And
at the end of the day, you know, I get
some people just don't understand the lens of what we're
looking at because we're still getting Where's Andrew Luck, Like
we're still getting those comments in the tweets and stuff
like where's Ben Roethlisberger. QB wins do not count for
fantasy points, don't count for fantasy They don't. They just
simply don't. I'm just more so of like looking at

(49:43):
this my excitement and understanding of like Boon Nicks coming
into the season, Robert Griffin the third and even now
with this kind of a blowout with Cam versus Robert Griffin,
it's not even close, Like it's just like what we're
looking at.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Yeah, again, I'm with you, Floor, I thought that'd be
a little bit closer. I thought Cam Newton would win.
I didn't think he win with seventy two percent to
twenty seven percent was twenty eight percent for RG three.
I thought it'd be I don't know, maybe a sixty
forty yeah, something like that, sixty five to thirty five

(50:17):
something like that. So I was not expecting what we
finally got. And I'm also with you. I thought Jaden
Daniels because he's the way he smoked Kyler Murray like
ninety three percent to like seven percent, Like I was
thinking something more along those lines. But hey man, Apparently
the Chargers do have a lot of fans, so he
ended up he ended upeting more still than the world.

(50:40):
So here we are. We're number one. Cam Newton in
his twenty eleven rookie season over four thousand passing yards,
twenty one passing touchdowns, fourteen rushing touchdowns with seven hundred
and six rushing yards against Jayden Daniels from this past
season thirty five hundred passing yards and twenty five tds,
eight hundred and ninety one rushing yards and six rushing touchdowns. Jinkies, Yeah,

(51:06):
I'm gonna say, I'm gonna and say I'm gona say
this one's gonna be close. I think Cam wins, but
I think this one's gonna be the first really close
matchup we've had in this tournament.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
I think Jayden Daniels takes it because this is gonna
come down to moments like how many moments like we
got out of these players, and I think recency bias
will play into JD's favor, So we shall see.

Speaker 1 (51:32):
Yeah, I did think recency bias will help.

Speaker 3 (51:35):
I've seen a lot of comments being like, well, this
player scored more Fantasy points, so they had a better
rookie year. And I'm gonna argue this for Jaden because
I know Cam had fourteen more Fantasy points. But Cam
played the entire year that year, and I know if
you look at Jayden's game log he played the full year,
but he did not play the full year. He against
Carolina played less than fifteen percent of the snaps. He

(51:56):
got hurt right away in that one, and then Week
seventeen he played a little bit in the first half
and then sat. So if you go by a per
game basis and you make it fifteen for Jayden, he
has the best rookie year any quarterbacks ever had. He
had more passing touchdowns, more rushing yards. Cam had the
advantage in passing yards and rushing touchdowns. But on a

(52:17):
per game basis, if you take away the two that
Jayden was hurt, he was better. And then to lq's point,
like Cam did that, I don't know what their record
was that year. I don't believe they were very good.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Six and ten, six and ten, yeah, exactly.

Speaker 3 (52:30):
Jaden not only did he do what he did, he
got them to twelve and five and then then into
the NFC Championship game and gave the Eagles a legit
hard first half until his special teams fumbled it two
times in a row and get back to the way.

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Jaden.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
To me, I think is the greatest rookie quarterback we've
ever seen, and he deserves to win this this contest, right.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
I do think context matters, right, because you know, Cam
obviously had a great year and he ran the ball really,
really effectively. He also had two really good running backs
with him. I mean, he had Jonathan Stewart and DiAngelo Williams.
I don't think that compares to look, Brian Robinson is
a good player. Austin Eckler is sort of on the

(53:12):
back side of his career, starting to decline a little bit. Like,
I don't think those two guys compare to what you
were getting from Stuart and Williams. You know, I think
you can you can make a very good case that
Terry McLaurin and Steve Smith Senior. I guess he was
just Steve Smith then, but Steve Smith were on par
with one another. I think I think those two sort

(53:32):
of canceled out. I'm I'm not sure, like you know,
you know, this does does zach Ertz compare to what
Greg Olsen was in twenty eleven. I just think there's
there has to be some context here, like, yeah, Tam
scored four points, But.

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Did Olsen have left after that because Ertz is at
the end of his rope.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
You don't remember how Ertz is very much, uh you
know about done? Uh for Olsen? He still played another
nine years. Okay, Yeah, he wins easily. Yeah he played.

Speaker 3 (54:06):
I didn't realize Olsen played that much longer.

Speaker 1 (54:09):
Yeah, he played until twenty twenty. He had a very
forgettable year in Seattle in twenty twenty that year, and
he was.

Speaker 3 (54:17):
Great up until twenty sixteen. So yeah, Cam had the
better supporting cast.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Yeah, I mean he did, so I know all things
to just sort of take it to me.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Both had McCaffrey's I mean, yeah, with.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Jeffrey's one slightly better than the other.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yeah, slightly a little bit.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
Had seventeen interceptions though, and I was told quarterbacks can't
win big awards when they had that many interceptions, So.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
Naturally takes what what quarterback would you be talking about?
I have no idea who you'd be referring to at all.
Don't know on in twenty three MVP race, I don't know.
Side notes to the speaking of guy's name McCaffrey. I'm
sure you guys saw the you know, all the talk
about Corey Booker and the historic phil Buster that he
had the part about it that that actually has to

(55:03):
do with us. I don't know if you saw he
took a shot at Ed McCaffrey, at Christian McCaffrey's dad.
Just so random because they played together in nineteen ninety
at Stanford. Corey Booker was like a second or third
string wide receiver. But he says he would have been
better than Ed McCaffrey if he had gotten more targets.

Speaker 2 (55:28):
Targets earned.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
My boy, he said, if he had gotten more opportunity
with the Stanford Cardinal that he would have been a
lot better. And I'll say this, I mean having been
alive and actually playing attention to the college football. That
was not a bad Stanford team. They had at McCaffrey.
They had a running back named Glenn Milburn who was
kind of a running back, pass catcher, hunt returner, you know,

(55:53):
not as fast as saying Jimmy Gibbs, but a guy
who could do a little bit of everything. Glenn Milburgh
was a really good college player. They had a young
running back named Tommy Vardell, who later became known as
touchdown Tommy when he scored thirty four touchdowns in his
final two seasons at Stanford. Yeah, that was That was
a very very good Stanford team. But there's a reason

(56:14):
Corey Booker is working at politics and not you know,
a retired and I.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Love though that.

Speaker 3 (56:18):
Look, he's fifty five years old, he said, a tremendously
successful career in politics, whether you like him or not.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Like he's done a lot in politics and all that.
He's just like all of us. Though he's still talking.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
About glory days three decades ago.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Like I could grow if.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
It wasn't for my knee or something like that.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
You know, like.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
They're just like us, just like us. He shouted out
the Bills at random. He was like, there's one football
team in New York and it's the Buffalo Bill.

Speaker 1 (56:48):
Turt out to you, Cory Booker. He also take a
shot at John Lynch and said there's a reason John
Lynch did not play quarterback in the NFL.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Jilli busterd I would just rant about sports for the
entire time.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Oh yeah, I would. I would sit around and I
would lament the fact that the nineteen ninety Oakland A's
somehow were like the greatest team ever but didn't got
swept in the World Series by the Cincinnati Reds because
stupid Chris Sabo and Billy bleeping Hatcher couldn't make it
out and Eric Davis, you know, it was always a
great but sorry, I'm gonna I'm gonna stop triggered. I

(57:23):
was gonna stop right there.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
I you know, this may or may not have happened
and forty nine more minutes if you were a politician.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Yeah, I'm good. This may or may not have happened
in a group chat recently too, So I'm just gonna
let it go right there. Ah right, that's a good
spot for to take a break on the show that
ended up going an hour anyway, because I guess we
just have a whole lot to say about nothing. We'll
be back with you next week. We will dive into
some running backs trying to effort maybe a guest or
two to come help us out with that as well,

(57:50):
so stay tuned for that. In the meantime. That'll do
it for this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast.
They Happy, safe and healthy, do good, and live well,
Enjoy the Final Four, everybody. I should be a lot
of fun college basketball fans this weekend and we will
talk to you next week. Wh