Marcas Grant, Michael F. Florio, and LaQuan Jones bring you another exciting edition of the Fantasy Cheat Sheet livestream! They open the show discussing the negative impact that a JK Dobbins signing could have for Broncos RB RJ Harvey and detail how Anthony Richardson’s shoulder injury impacts the QB competition in Indianapolis. (2:19)
Then, the guys dive into the more fantasy-relevant news including CJ Stroud dealing with a shoulder injury of his own, Ravens OC Todd Monken championing Zay Flowers and explain why they’re high on Caleb Williams in 2025 .(23:32)
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Hey, everybody, welcome to another edition of the cheat Sheet.
It is Thursday, June fifth, twenty twenty five. I'm Marcus Grant.
That is Michael and Florio that is the Kwan Jones.
Welcome to the other of the cheat Sheet on this Thursday.
Happy Thursday, y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It is.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is officially June. This is our second show in June.
We had one on Tuesday June. Gloom is officially here.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Oh yeah, it feels like Jersey Man.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
For those of you who are unaware, if you're not
from California, if you're from somewhere else and you want
to come visit Los Angeles, you're always wanting to come
visit LA, don't do it in June. You'll be disappointed.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I've learned that because when I first came here, it
was in June, and I'm like, Yo, where's the weather.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be gray. It's gonna be in
the you know, maybe the upper sixties, maybe it burns
off in the afternoon. But June not a great time
to come. But come July through, you know, March, April,
may even just not June.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I remember a couple of years ago when our company
used to do like a gathering in June. Marcus. We
were at like a really nice hotel in Santa Monica,
and we kept seeing all the people who were visiting
and we were like, they made a brutal mistake. They
came at the wrong time. Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
We were right there across from the beach and all
the tourists looking sort of confused but try to make
the best of it, so you know, God bless them
for all of that. But anyway, it is another edition
of the cheat sheet. Glad that you can be here
with us. Happy Thursday to you, mister scampers. We appreciate
you popping in me. We got another edition of Something
or Nothing. We are always welcome to have your questions.
(01:51):
We'll try to answer any that we get in the chat.
And then for the film festival, we watched Extraction two.
We watched Extraction a couple weeks, so we followed up
with the sequel this week, more from Tyler Rake and
just all the goodness there. So yes, as we get
started with Something or Nothing, I forgot to actually put
(02:14):
this in the rundown, but I'm glad that somebody else
jumped in there and threw it in because there's news
out of Denver. We talked on Tuesday about Sean Payton
saying he believes Audric Estimate needs more touches, and Lakwan
pretty much brushed that off as just i'll chatter. Then
yesterday Tom Pella Sero reported that JK. Dobbins was taking
(02:39):
a visit to Denver and maybe thinking about signing with
the Broncos. And so that's been the chatter around the
Broncos running back room for the last not quite twenty
four hours. So I will ask you again on Thursday,
Lakwan want to ask you on Tuesday, where's your RJ
Harvey God.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Now, Kevin, can we please pull out the picture?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I just want to say care, we don't care, Like
I felt like I was getting jumped yesterday from you guys,
because listen, not only was you guys like, oh hey,
did just eat the news, I'm getting added in Tom's tweets.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I'm getting my buddies in the sleeper chat.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Bro. I saw the news. We are good, like, I'm
not worried.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
About this, and you guys were like sitting here poking
the bear like, no, it's going to be a good
addition to that backfield. If they get JK.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Dobbins. Look look at Marcus.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Look he's fermosly doing it. It's crazy we're starting off
the top with this because this was not the first
thing on the Rundown Ladies and gentlemen, so this was
clearly a plan attack. But to get to my point though,
with JK. Dobbins, he's going to be added to that
backfield and it's only going to help this Denver Broncos
(03:57):
offense because we have to remember they had no running game.
Javonte Williams wash wash like the geenes that I'm throwing
out now because they're just not even blue anymore. Like
that is Javonte Williams. He barely cracked the five hundred
yard mark. Now you add JK. Dobbins, which, in Sean
Payton's like vision border what this offense is going to be.
You have him inserting him as the mark ingram and
(04:18):
Alvin Kamer being that badge of honor that R. J.
Harvey could play because we have to remember Javonte Williams
had seventy targets last year. People, that's targets that are
going to the running back position. And r J. Howarvey
is clearly the better pass catcher and more explosive back
than JK.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Dobbins.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Now you add JK to that backfield. Do we not
remember twenty seventeen, Alvin Kamara and mark Ingram both finish
top ten running backs in points for a game. Come on, folks,
let's not get too crazy about this.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
JK.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Dobbins or deal here. All right, let's just accept it
for what it is. He's having lunch, might you know,
I mean having dinner. By lunchtime, he might end up
being signed. Do not at me, do not hit my
DMS or my chats. I'm good.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
The freaking to the moon. I mean, so you.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
So you think, what do you think R. J.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Harvey's gonna get what two hundred and fifty touches in
this backfield? No, he don't need it.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Alvin Kamara didn't get two hundred and fifty touches. Mark Ingram
actually led the team in touches, and he's still finished
higher than mark Ingram with twenty Fantasy points for a game.
And that's Adam Kamara. I know you guys are gonna
be like, well, he had one hundred targets. That's fine,
that's fine. He had one hundred targets that season. Michael
Thomas even had twelve hundred yards that season as well.
Great thumbs up, but here's the thing. We don't have
(05:32):
a Michael Thomas on that team. We still don't know
if Pat Bryan is going to be that high sailing
the prototype of a Michael Thomas. But it's fine those
targets that happened last year with Davonte Williams, of all people,
not Jalen, not him. Mclallan didn't get those targets, but
Javonte Williams did. So I'm going on a little rant
right now because this is getting me hot, because I
don't understand the news to make R. J. Harvey drop down.
(05:54):
He's going into fifth round, Marcus, I dare you to
drop thank you, we do not care.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I dare you to drop R J.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Harvey's ADP less than what it is right now.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I dare you.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So many championships are gonna be screaming like, why did
you guys do this because of JK.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Dobbins.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
It's not it's not just because of JK. Dobbins. It's JK.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Dobbins plus this object estimate news, plus the fact that
Julian mcloffin. I think Sean Payton hates your fantasy team.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
He does.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I mean, like, look, if you want to be on
an RJ. Harvey, fine, but if you're gonna sit here
and tell me RJ. Harvey to the moon in year one,
I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it in year one.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I think he puts a cap on the upside.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
He does it, puts a cap on the upside. We
expect it now.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So RJ. Harvey could be could still produce, right in
my opinion, Like, and I want to say this, like
I'm not the leader of like the like LQ loves
r J. Harvey. I was in on Harvey before he
got drafted, and then he went to the BRES and
like his ADP shot up and he's going fifth round.
Sounds good until you realize he's RB seventeen. And what
(07:08):
is his ceiling now if Dobbins is there, Like, is
it top twelve? Because to me, you're paying close to
that price then to get him. And look, I had
a lot of people in my mentions yesterday being like,
well JK. Dobbins wasn't actually good, Okay, people being like RJ.
Harvey is better that doesn't matter. Like it matters, but
(07:31):
only to an extent, because we've seen plenty of really
talented rookies have their ceiling capped by a veteran presence.
Javonte is a good example, Like we all loved him,
Melvin Gordon capped his ceiling on Tuesday. I was like,
Bijon lost touches to Tyler Rale's year, Gibbs lost them
to Montgomery, Bucky was losing touches to Rashad White last year.
(07:54):
Like it. They could still produce and still be really good,
but it just puts a cap on the ceiling in
my opinion, So I would rather RJ. Harvey fall a bit,
and then I think he's an appropriate value at seventeen
right now, Like I could wait rounds and get like
a round or two and get James Connor, Like James
Connor was a top ten running back last year.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
He was. That's a good That was like one of
the only names I didn't see pop up in the
little group chat that I'm in that we were arguing
about RJ. Harvey and JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
But I could hear your point on that, though I
think he should go closer to the other rookie, like
all of the other rookies outside of Hampton and gent
are going outside the top two.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
But Marcus Florod, the good news here is that we
have people that are anti RJ.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Harvey.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So again, I dare you to drop his ADP right now.
If it goes into sixth, seventh round. That is a
beautiful value that you're gonna get for a guy that's
going to be explosive in an offense, that's able to
move the ball, with a comparable quarterback in both Nicks,
that can dump it off. Like, I see the targets,
I see the opportunity, and I see it talent. And JK.
Domins is not scaring me because he only helps this
(09:03):
running game be a little bit better.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I mean, yeah, I guess I hear all that. I
just I feel like there's just gonna be too many people.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And my biggest fear is, uh, Sean Payton's gonna see JK.
Dobbins and his huge body and be like, hey, you're
the goal line guy now. And if that happens like that,
well that is a cat. I think that's what happened
with mark.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Ingram though, and I think Adam Kamara, like all his
touchdowns were obviously breakaway runs, and JK. Dobbins is not
a breakaway runner, you know what I mean. So he's
not a guy that I expect take it from you know,
their own forty and take it to the house. I
expect that out of RJ. Harvey, But there's gonna be
opportunities for both of them to be successful. I mean,
mark Ingram had twelve touchdowns that year. Albm Kamara had thirteen. Like, well,
(09:53):
that's a successful backfield.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Agree, agree, one hundred percent. But it's one of the
best running back tendems we've had in years. Drew Brees
was in his prime. Michael Thomas was like, like, we're
elevating all of the Broncos to be at the Saints level,
and I like, they that's the absolute ceiling.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
That is that is the absolute ceiling. So I'm willing
to say top twelve, top twelve r J. Harvey, but
you're getting him in what the fifth or sixth round
by the time we get to August, Like, that's that's
a good deal. That's a good deal for me to
do as an RB two.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
The other thing like fifth round right now in underdog.
But you know when these re draft leagues start happening.
Running backs get pulled up the board more so like
dude upstream, they do go up seventeen could be a
fourth If he's going in the middle of the fourth round,
are you still taking him there? I did, yes, okay,
(10:53):
I do love to support. I took him in the
second round.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I mean in the fourth round, in the middle of
the fourth because I didn't like the running backs after that,
because some guys were getting pulled up as well. But
James Connor, like I said, is a good example of
a guy that you could wait on who is still
getting the targets and getting the opportunities on the goal
line as the main back. Because Trey Benson is not
threatening whatsoever at this point. But that that is a
(11:18):
good point. Look you pull one out of your pocket, bro,
like I did not know that you had James kinder
tuck delay. But as a good example.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Uh, look, I just I say, there's there's just too
many bodies there.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
That's my like, Tyra, you cannot defeat me, you cannot
kill me. I am undefeated when it comes to this man,
I'm standing my ground. I am the Tyler Rake of
the RJ. Harvey's right now. I am extracting him all
the way to RB one this season.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I do want to. I'm not an anti RJ. Hart,
Like I really liked him as a player, and I
see the upside in all of that. It's more skeptical
of trusting Sean Payton when you have this many options.
In fact, like if he falls a little bit in ADP,
on totally still in. But like he's going. I know
(12:04):
the rounds are a little bit different, but he's going
in RB rankings one. He's the next RB after Joe Mixon.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
He's right ahead of DeAndre Swift and a lot of
a lot of ADPs.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
In Underdog right now. Because his ADP is rounds higher
than Dean I'd much rather DeAndre Swift that cost.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Swift is definitely going to come up by the time
August comes around, Like his ADP is going to go up.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
He's the most I take him every drive.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, yeah, Look, I this feels like Sean Payton is
gonna be like when you go the cheesecake factory, right
and you think you have what you want, You're like, oh,
this looks good too, and like that's gonna be him
his running.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Back estimate if he gets valuable touches. I want a
wellness check on Sean Payton. He's a nice guy, but
come on, all your estimate over a JK. Dobbins and
R J. Harvey to touch the ball where on the field, But.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You have two huge backs there. That my fear is
goal line like he's losing those touches. Is that that?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
It's all right?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
What would you rather have?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Like? I know it sounds crazy, but we're in p
PR formats. If you if I tell you, R. J.
Harvey is going to see a hundred targets, but he's
going to have less goal line over to opportunities than JK.
Downs Are you? Are you out?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Are you in? But I don't think he's getting hundred targets.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, seventy seventy targets is the second huge seventy targets.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
If he's getting seventy targets, he go on work at
all then then nor two.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah I can do that. I could do that.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I mean Johnson Williams has seventy targets last year.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Okay, you know you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
But that was also a distant second to Courtland Sutton.
You know, also allegedly Marvin Mims is going to see
more work. Allegedly, Devon Valet is good. Allegedly they may
sign JK. Dobbins. Llegedly, object estimate is going to get
more touches. I mean, there's a whole lot of there's
a whole lot of hopium going.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
On right now, pumped up too much, in my opinion, Yeah,
I think so.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I think some of this is people may be wishing
for the demise of the Chiefs, uh and then seeing
a little bit of what bo Nicks did last year.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
There's a lot of hype around this offense. And see,
you have.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Every reason to be on board floor you know, you
hate the Chiefs, Like, just come on, let's just I'm
just joined.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I would love for the Broncos to win their division
and to beat the Chiefs and all of that. I
just I don't want to pay Saints prices for Broncos offense.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
You know. But that was a team with like no
wide receiver to or or run game, no tight end
like that Mars.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Called like a sixty year touchdown. Huh. Martin Vins is
a wide receiver too. They just don't believe in him, and.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
He utilized an intermittent like, I don't know what they're
doing with him. Actually, I can't even put into words
what Shaun Peyton thinks of Marvin Mims because I don't
even think he knows who he is. Like that's the problem.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, Gavin wanted to drop in this fact that the
charts of it, Shorty says Chargers.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
The Broncos our producer, our producer.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Gavin is a Charger fan, so I know he wants
to give some love to the squad. There's going to
be a battle, I think in the AFC West, right
because the Chiefs obviously still the division champs, the Broncos
are improved, the Chargers are going to be competitive, even
the Raiders are going to be better than where they were.
So for sure, all right, that was enough tweaking of
(15:32):
Ludo though, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
We want we want to get that in here.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Uh. The story we were actually gonna lead the show
with is the Anthony Richardson story. It broke literally just
a few minutes before we came on, injured his shoulder.
Will not participate in mini camp next week. Reportedly, it
is the same shoulder that he injured last year. I
missed some time with an ac shoulder injury ac joint injury.
(15:59):
So you know, look, I put this under something or nothing,
for this is definitely something right. There's no way this
is not nothing.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
No, because the one thing that and I sound like
a broken record, I know that the thing that Anthony
Richardson most needs is reps. Because when the Colts drafted him,
he was a twenty one year old who had thrown
three hundred and ninety three passes in college. He has
not reached that number yet in two NFL seas, like combined,
(16:31):
he's at three uh three forty eight. So in all
of college and the NFL, he's thrown less than seven
hundred or around seven hundred passes like that. That's too
little and he needs the reps. And so now missing
all like I know, they're saying he's gonna be ready
for camp and stuff like that, but now he's missing
(16:51):
all of this time. And on top of that, that
is more time that Daniel Jones gets with these receivers
and that the coaches get to watch him and stuff.
So I had my original thinking was like it it's
probably gonna be Anthony Richardson who wins this at least
coming out, But now I think it's really up in
the air, and they are complete opposites when it comes
(17:13):
to fantasy. Like if Anthony Richardson has the QB, he
brings a lot of upside himself, but you don't really
want the pass catchers. It's the exact opposite with Daniel Jones,
Like you don't want to start Daniel Jones at all,
but he is better than Anthony Richardson is for the
pass catchers, especially Josh Downs, because he's thrown in his
last three seasons combined, twenty seven percent of his passes
(17:36):
have gone to the slot. His last full season in
twenty twenty three it was thirty three percent. So like,
heil Robinson a thing and Josh Downs is actually good.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So like, yes, get excited, yeah yeah, I mean so
I'm with you on this FLOORA that that it was
going to be a camp battle, right. That was the
reason they brought in Daniel Jones was to give Anthony
Richardsons competition, to force him to really up his game
to earn that starting spot. The thing is, we have
(18:07):
seen that the Colts will bench Anthony Richardson with no hesitation.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
We saw that last year. Now, mind you, it was
maybe a poor decision.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
It was probably premature because Joe Flacco ended up being awful,
but they're obviously gonna give him a very short leash. LaQuan,
I have this feeling that if Daniel Jones wins this competition,
which obviously with Richardson not playing now, he gets a
leg up heading into you know, July and August. Yeah,
(18:38):
I think it's gonna be hard for Richardson to pry
him out of that job, mostly because I mean, unless
Jones just falls on his face the way Flaco did
last year, I think he'll be good enough. And I
don't know that we've seen anything out of Richardson to
suggest he can be so much better as to just
force Indy's hand to put him back in the starting lineup.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah, it's gonna be very hard. I think we're seeing
a preview to the storyline and narrative that's going to
be heading into week one, and then I think they're
going to just pull the trigger now and like in
their heads just think, all right, well, you know, this
guy's hurt again. It's gonna take some time to get
him ramp back up to get these reps that he
desperately needs. But if Daniel Jones is playing decent ball
through camp and going into week one, I don't see
(19:21):
how Anthony Richardson sees the field again, because it's more
so of like what is it going to take for
him to.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Get a.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Ups and down? I love mister scampers, but I do
feel like this is gonna be hard for me to
even look at Anthony Richardson as like a lay round
steal or dart throw or even into that nature. Like
I'm kind of just completely just all right, I'm out.
I'm out of the project, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I mean, florida'se I know you've been still willing to
take that late shot on Richardson.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Does this change how you feel about that? Yeah, it
makes it a little bit tougher. I still am of
the mindset that like, if these two are, if the
camp battle is close at all, advantage Anthony Richardson, because
I think if you're the Colts and you bench Anthony
Richardson again, that's it, right, Like it's hard to come
(20:18):
back from that from being benched twice. So that's why
I kept being like, I think he is at least
going to open the season as the starter. But now
we got to see how long he misses because they're
saying no procedure and that he's gonna be back sometime
at camp. But what if it's not till like August
that he like I'm just purely speculating here, but it
(20:39):
all depends on how long this is going to side
on him. It is just another bad thing in what
has been a really bad start to a career. Because
I still believe Richardson has all the potential in the world.
I don't know how you can watch him and not
think that he has otherworldly potential. Can he put it together?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
We've seen a lot of guys with potential not be
able to put it together. But if he can't be
on the field, then he's never going to be able
to put it together. Because again, those reps and everything
is what he needs more than anything.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, I mean he needs work as a passer, right
the running thing and the rushing touchdowns. That works for us,
that works for fantasy, it does not work for the
Indianapolis Colts. You need someone who can be You don't
have to be a great passer. He just has to
be a competent passer. And last year, forty seven percent
completion percentage is not anything close to being competent in
(21:35):
that area, and it's not going to get better by
being on the sidelines. So it's an unfortunate setback. We'll
see how serious it is, how long it's going to
keep him out, But and like you said, it's a
tough start to what has been a difficult career so far.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
He doesn't even play. He hasn't even played a full
seventeen games yet.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Bro, I can't put him in the satural discontent. Like,
I don't even think he even fitsed the criteria to
even get in that bag now, because it's kind of
like he's not on the field playing like we don't
have anything.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You had to have had some contentment before you put
him in the statchel of discontent, which is why those
those valuable reps should have been going to him last
year and not Joe Flacco, where you got blown out
every game he played. Anyway, I'm still yeah, I mean
in Cleveland, that's that's that's literally what it was.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
They looked around at the division and they said, you
know what, there's still a chance we can win this
thing or maybe even just sneak into the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
And so they made the move and it blew up
spectacularly on them.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And that was six game Cleveland run is the most
overrated thing in football in the last few years. Like it,
I get it. They got molly wopped in the playoffs.
Like it wasn't as good as I don't know, he
won't comeback player of the Year off of like a
good month. It's crazy to me and that guy who
(22:59):
came back to life, like I still can't believe that
I look at that's true. Yeah, he won it over
a guy who literally died, who literally died on the field.
And there's peoples to this day who defend it who
are like, well, he was the better player, Like okay,
some things are better than how they play on the field.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
But also he played five games. He played five games
in the regular season and then one game of the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
That was it.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Other quarterback news in the AFC South Demico Ryan says CJ.
Stroud is dealing with general soreness in his throwing shoulder. Lakwan,
is this something or nothing?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
This is something? Did you watch the video? Like the
body language was very telling, Like it was like that
nervous laugh, like yeah, yeah, enough questions or like no, bro,
we see you, we see what's going on that it
might be something that just monitor because I don't need
a hurt CJ. Stroud once they just got the new
(24:03):
toys in town, you know what I mean. Like I'm
a huge Christian Kirk guy, Jalen Noel and obviously Jayden Higgins.
I need these guys to have a c J. Stroud
top tier like his rookie year type of level of health.
So it's like, ooh, this might actually be something that
we have to consider. You know, once we start getting
closer to you know, camp, youah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Go ahead, I might be done just washing my hands
and the pisans offense like what I had Nico Collins
in my home league. It's the keeper league. I have
him already there. I love Nico Collins, but I always
find myself a little hesitant because I don't know, Like
a friend of mine asked me yesterday, uh see which CJ.
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Stroud was the real c J. Stroud rookie year or
last year? And I don't know because I don't think
he's as bad as he was last year. But I
I've been saying this for a while. I think he
overperformed his rookie year and he had off the charts
efficiency on deep ball. Their old line is worse now CJ.
Stroud is hurt. There's a lot of weapons there. Like
LQ was saying, I don't know, man, I find it.
(25:11):
I get it. If you want to get Kirk or
the rookie wide receivers, they're very cheap, they're laid upside,
but you have to use a top fifteen pick on
Nico Collins. And I get why because Nico is amazing.
But like, I don't know this. This is scaring me.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Uh. I would say that, and I think a lot
of people have the same reaction you did, Lakwan. Whereas
looking at Demiko Ryans' body language and sort of listening
to his tone has people worried about it.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, yeah, I would be as a fan, I'd be like, yo,
tell us the truth, like we want to know if
we buy season tickets. The words, the words.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
That came out of his mouth said the Texans are
not worried, but everything else about it said, yeah, there's
some concern about this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
And the clean well and and.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Look, I mean to Floorial's point, if CJ.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Stroud's not there, this whole thing really does fall apart
unless you somehow believe Davis Mills is the done you know,
is crazy, Davis Mills. If you know, Keaton's slovas rises
up from the depths of I think he's like number
four on the depth chart.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Uh. David Mills was good though.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
He went through that little game.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Had like odd good stretch. Remember when Nico Collins was
like a fringe guy to roster and then c. J.
Stroud arrived and now he's a wide receiver one like crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, that's pretty nuts. That's a huge joke. Hey, hey,
our producers bring up Damian Pierce.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Don't do that. That's triggering right there, man? That and
Piers Man, I mean what you're But which one of
you is out on? You're out on Joe Mixing?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Lukwan, you're out? Yes?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
If you're sitting there on the board and R. J.
Harvey and Joe Mixon are both there, which one are
you taking.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
My eyes and hitting draft?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Just put.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, just close my eyes and just all right, We're good.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Doesn't matter, all right? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
The Stroud thing definitely something to pay attention to, along
with the Richardson things.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
So two quarterbacks like a sack on that shoulders. Every
time he gets sacked. You're going to be worried if
you invest.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I'm going to take this off season to like actually
read the sign and then process it and tuck it
and read the sign again and not ever bring it
back up because I'm probably not going to draft CJ.
Stroud or Nico Collins this year. But Joe Mixon stays
on the roster though, he's going to get done off.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You know what, if it's Davis Mills, he probably will
dump it off the top. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
All in you get the dump off, let's go.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
You know, I don't know it's I do want to
look into that.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I mean, what was Davis Mill? Was he a dump
off guy? Or was he a you know, bleep it
they're down there.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Soon will be a dump off guy. He's cold on
the bench. I mean when the last time he saw.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Some real games. I mean, look, man, I mean Taylor
was above.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Him on the depth chart if I if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I mean I'm looking yards per attempt when he was
a starter in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, six and a half. So he wasn't necessarily chucking
it deep. You know how certain quarterbacks they say can't
see over the line. Well, David Davis Mills is six four.
You can see. You can see he can't see over
the dump off like he that's below his line of sight.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
He can see the horizon. You can see the horizon.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
He knows he can.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Davis Mills can stand in the pocket and tell you
that the Earth is not flat. He's like, no, I
can see his curve.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I'm tall enough.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I can just see see how it curves. It's fine,
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Oh my god, Shorty in the chat time about Elic
Yoman or a yeomanor receiver for the Titans gonna be
a sleeper.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I see him cook Hunter for three hundred yards in college.
He was unstoppable. I am, I have professed, Yeah, just
like he like late round.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
You know, like, I don't expect if I'm drafting him,
I'm not expecting I'm gonna be putting him in my
lineup every single week. But I do want to cut
a draft and follow and see what he turns into,
because I do think there's opportunity there with a Titans
roster that does not have a lot of depth at
wide receiver. So yeah, I'm definitely willing to give him
a shot.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I had a little concerns about his separation, but cam
Ward is the quarterback that's gonna be like, yeah, I
trust my arm.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Yeah exactly, he's got.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
That in there.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
We'll get it there. It's fine, he's open. It's good.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
In Baltimore, Ton Monkin talking about Zay Flower saying, quote,
we've just got to get him the ball more. But
at the same time, the Baltimore Ravens also just handed
a three year, thirty six point seventy five million dollar
extension too.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Shot Bateman teed twenty guaranteed. That's where it's at.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
So this whole thing about the Zay Flowers Florio is
this something or nothing?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
It is?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I think they Monkin believes it's something, But I don't
believe it is something because, uh, like you look at
last season alone, they threw one hundred and sixteen times
to Flowers. No one else on that team was even
within thirty forty targets of him, And they just paid
for Shad Bateman, who is their number two target. Mark
(30:32):
Andrews and Isaiah likely are there and remember Andrews had
that really weird start to the season, and then you
add in d Hop like their number three target wide
receiver last year was Nelson Aguilor. He listed thirty targets.
I'm pretty confident that d Hop is going to have
more than thirty targets this year. There's still a running
back like it's just so many weapons. And then you
add in that this is a big play offense, so
(30:55):
there's fewer drives where you're going ten to fifteen plays
deep because you have Derek and rebreaking out sixty yard runs.
You have Lamar throwing fifty yard touchdowns, stuff like that.
So we were talking about it before the show. I
was doing some research for the Insiders, and Lamar in
his career has had one receiver finished top thirty six
and points per game, like it's or top thirty, thirty five,
(31:18):
something like that. Top thirty. It's not great like his
wide receivers are all wide receiver threes or worse. So, yeah,
I like Flowers for real life. But I think last
year's kind of what we should expect every year. It
feels like the Ravens like we're gonna throw the ball more. Oh,
last year, I'll say this, Lamar said a career high.
He went over four thousand passing yards for the first
(31:39):
time in his career. He had forty touchdowns for the
first time in his career, And.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
As much as I love Lamar Jackson, that also kind
of feels like the ceiling when you look at the
offense and the weapons around him, that you know that's
about the peak of what you can expect from him
as a passer. He's still gonna be effective running the balls.
I'm not gonna I'm not in here telling you he's
going to decline or be bad. But it also feels
(32:05):
like that's sort of the best you can hope for.
And as you mentioned, with all the other guys there
right with DeAndre Hopkins, there with Mark Andrews, there with
Isaiah Likely, I mean hopefully getting some more opportunities Bateman Flowers,
is that enough to support all of these guys? And
I'm not sure that it is. I mean to this point,
(32:27):
you know, you look at a guy like Rashad Bateman
and he is underwhelmed, right, That's fair. He's he has
not been what I think people thought he was going
to be coming out of college. I mean, good for him,
I'm getting paid, but I don't know that that suddenly
makes me feel like, yep, I got to move or
shot Bateman up my draft board because he's just gonna
start cooking.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I don't see that he's a raven Like that's that's
just what it is for me, that he just plays
for the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Like I'm not jumping up down for Ravens receiver. They
broke Deontay Johnson by the way, like I want to
know what happened, because there's no way he wasn't going
to go there and produce.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
But then he didn't even play.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
He just just there on vacation up in the playoffs
so that no one else could play. Like it was wild. Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
And now he's in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Am I crazy to think that he could be something
in Cleveland because like he come drafted in Best Ball
sometimes Yeah what yeah, I'm taking those shots, sure, I
mean at the price. Uh just you know again, that's
a that's a whole situation. Yonte Johnson or I am
man Or. I'll take Johnson over, I would take all right,
(33:41):
there we go. Yeah, I take Johnson.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I mean, but that's not I like, but I am
a or is Like I mean literally, I'm taking I'm
taking him. Like near the end of the draft, so like,
you know, it's not.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Went undrafted and I was He's like, why you receiver
one hundred or something?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, I mean, like nobody knows he's on Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
That's why I literally had to look at I'm like,
where is he right now? And I had to I
just had to look it up.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
How long though before? He absolutely hates all four of
those quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
That's the thing. There's all these quarterbacks here.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I saw some video chaeduur dimes out here and people
were getting excited about it, and that's that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
But there's just so much, so much turmoil there in
that passing game. I just I just don't want to
deal with it.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
A couple other ones here, Mike McDonald says it's crazy
to ask if Sam Donald will be the seahawks starting quarterback.
Luk On you were saying that you saw some stuff
that like Seahawks fans, folks in Seattle were like pumping
up Jalen Milroe that they want Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
This was just literally a couple of days before this
report came out. You know, I'm just looking into fantasy
streets scrolling and I'm like, why am I seeing Jalen
Milroe right now just because we saw one slow motion video.
It's like, what, Okay, I don't see why this is
even a thing. Because Sam Donald, like you might get
the same product that you got that the Vikings guy.
(35:01):
You know, he's been with the Kyle Shanahans and now
with KOC. Now he's going to Seattle with an opportunity
to be the guy. I don't think we should start
having him look over his shoulder. It will be somewhat
of the panther situation he had, you know. So it's
like you better keep saying on a mental state that
he is the QB one, or are you going to
start seeing some ghost again.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I mean, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
It's ridiculous. Why what Yeah one, Sam Donald was good
last year. He's better than Drew Locky.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
They got rid of Drew lock Like they've already given
up on him.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
You know, he's who's behind.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Uh yeah, so but Drew lock is there, he's their
number two guy, right, He's better than Drew lock Jaln
Milroe is a project also Seattle, Andy. Then the Mariners
are good, Like focus on that for a little while,
like give them some attention for a couple of weeks
and then come back to this in like July and August.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
They paid Sam Donald one hundred million dollars. He hasn't
taken a snap yet, and people are like, hey, the
guy that you traded and then got back, or the
third round rookie, that is a development pick. Maybe you
should start though, like like what are we doing here?
I understand Sam is what he is, but like he's deserved,
he's earned respect and the chance to start and all
(36:13):
of it. And meanwhile, last year when I tweeted that like, hey,
if Seattle falls out of it, maybe they'll play Sam
hawl over Gino Smith, Seahawk fans were coming for me,
like I said, the worst like this guy yet and
you're trying to replace him now, I don't. I don't
get it. That just seems like a lot. The twenty
four hour news cycle was a mistake. Like we have
(36:36):
we don't have to fill everything. We don't have to
ask questions about like Sam, there's nine months football and
we're right in the middle of it. Now, what am
I doing? Be a boss?
Speaker 4 (36:46):
RP boss?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, we're using that again.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Okay, so wait if you had okay, lookwan uh let's
let's just for the sake of argument, say that mil
Roe became a boss r B.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Would you take him over Kenneth Walker?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, Like I know what I'm getting.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Yeah, all right, all right, cool, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
DJ Moore says he's had conversations with Ben Johnson about
his body language. Uh, there were times last year where
DJ Moore would get visibly frustrated about things that were happening.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Uh, there's that one.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
There's a one play right where you just kind of
like hung out on the sideline like he got then
he like blocked out of bounds.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Or something like that, and you just kind of like
stayed stuff like that and get the frustration. Yeah, I
get it too. I Mean this feels like nothing to me.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Guys. You know what it's like. It's like if you
had a hoopedie and you were upset with your car
and then all of a sudden someone gave you a
Ferrari and we're like, hey, are you still gonna be
upset with your car?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Like, no, Ed, I'm much happier.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah. We don't watched the Bears offense last year. We
knew how broken it was. Like, we were all very
vocal about it now he gets one of the best
play callers in the league.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
I think this is him basically saying like, hey, you know,
get your body language on top. You are being looked
at as a leader now like you were the face,
you were the guy next to Caleb. You guys are
going to be playing backyard ball. You'll be much happier
on the sidelines, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
DJ Moore is one of my most drafted wide receivers
so far. I can see that, and I've seen him
bounce like there's underdog adp right now is wide receiver
twenty three. He's behind Xavier Worthy and Tito and McMillan
and just behind his Hunter and DeVonta Smith, like he
should keep it.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
He's behind McMillan. Huh, Yeah, I just he should be.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
He should be going into like the range where like
Rashid Rice, Terry McLaurin, Marvin Harrison, like high end twos.
But you're getting him as a low.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
End two for something.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, that's crazy. Let's just pretend for the next couple
of months that he is bad and we come on
the pod and just say he's.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Terrible, and then I'll tell you this right now. Always
thinks don't draft him. All of the Bears are going
to be on a ton in my fantasy cause, like,
you're not paying the Ben Johnson tax, which I thought
you'd have to not yet that did not come later,
So take advantage of it now. I think. Get a
couple of questions in the chat, this one from Shorty,
Who's asking, are you guys high on Caleb Williams. The
(39:26):
short answer is yes. The longer answer is yes, yeah, man, Like.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I So it's funny because last year when we were
talking about Caleb, everybody was super high on him, right,
and like I kind of started the process being very
cautiously optimistic, Like I think we started. I was probably
the lowest on Caleb Williams, and I think I got
here pressured into like just going big on him and
something by like you know, by the time the season started,
I was like, he's gonna be a soft ten quarterback.
Like I feel like I got I got bullied into it.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Voice. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So but this year, I I always thought that year
two was going to be the better year for Caleb.
I at the time didn't know that Ben Johnson was
going to come over and be their head coach. But
I always thought year two was going to be better.
So yeah, this is this is it for me, for Caleb,
I'm in agreed. It was one of the ones I
saw a Dynasty League question from Lucy Demon in my
(40:29):
Dynasty I was offered Brian Thomas for pick one oh two,
one oh three and Tank Dell Do I take it
very tim thing, but you also have but like it's
like picks one O two and one O three could
be anything.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
It could be Brian Thomas, Like that's kind of how
I look at it could be a boat.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
That one and one of three is nice though that
is true.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
About you're not gonna get class at all. Yet that's
the other part, like because yeah, you're missing out.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I'm assuming your your rookie draft for this year has
already come and gone, so you know, any of this
year's prospects are are sort of gone.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
But if it's this year's two and three, I would
strongly consider it. But next year.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Absolutely, If it's this year, I'm taking it because yeah,
I can literally attack two positions.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
And well you're gonna you're going on, here's a me
on John T. But you can get yourself a quarterback
and a wide receiver. You can get two wide receivers.
You can get another running back. If you can get
another running back, you guys that Brian Thomas's numbers were
way better with Mac Jones than with Trevor Lawrence. I
said that when we when we're on the pod, like
(41:44):
it's the same thing, Like it's more to the things
like that is a hit to Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
He's bad. He sucks.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah. Now there's Travis Us there who is very good.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Travis Hunter is very good.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Just put Travis quarterback.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
By week four, Trevor's still doing the same stuff. Man,
get him out of here, he said.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Played him in QB two.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Though, I do worry a little bit about whether Thomas
can be that guy when there's more target competition, right, Like,
some of it was it's pumped, some of it was.
I mean, look, he had one hundred and thirty three targets.
The next closest was Evan Ingram at sixty four. Right, Yeah,
(42:24):
Christian Christian Kirkiss more than half the season. You know,
Parker Washington wasn't really a thing. He had a couple
of game, decent games late. They just didn't have any
depth in that wide receiver room. So if, like, if
Travis Hunter is that guy, does that take a bite
out of Brian Thomas's production?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
You know what, I didn't realize this until you just
said it, Marcus, But the end of the year, they
had no Ingram, they had no Kirk. He didn't have
a double digit target game until week thirteen, and then
he was ten plus every week beyond on that. Yeah,
so yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
That's something I'm going to do some digging into this today,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
A question from Tony Romero.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Thoughts on a Chan Am I the only one worried
he's going a bit high PPR monster with healthy to
a garbo with hurt Tua.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I'm I'm still willing.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
To take the shot on a chan I think because
I think the ADP has it's okay for me right now,
and I think the the explosiveness of the up side.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
He was the best running back with He was the
best running back with Tua.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Uh you know, no, no more Raheem must start there
in that backfield as well. I don't know how you
guys feel about Jalen Wright. I'm willing to, like, I
don't know if I'm gonna be like heavily invested in
devon a Chan, But you know, it's worth taking a shot.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
I like taking shots on right, But I don't think
his presence ruins a Chan or anything like that. Like,
I just think my Fami likes to use two backs.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Yeah, I think that's true.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Derreck Henry says he's going for two thousand rushing yards
this year. That's not really a surprise. What is a
surprise is that I guess if he hits it. He
was promised a role in an Adam Sandler movie. Oh
is he is he gonna is?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
One? Is he gonna go to Marshawn Lynch ro out
of acting? And two?
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Can he be as good as Marshawn Lynch, because Marshawn's
actually a pretty good actor.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Like, I'm.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
I don't think we've seen enough personality from Derrick Henry
really right, Like, I don't know, no offense is a king.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
I don't think anyone has as much personality as Marshall.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
That's fair, that's fair, That's very fair. Yeah, I mean
Marshawn like and the things I've seen him, man has
been very good.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I I the most recent season that I watched of
West World like that he was like the bright spot.
Other than that, I was like this the show stinks
now and I'm out. But like he's done a few
other movies, comedies and stuff. I mean, I think mostly
it's just Marshaun being himself. But yeah, that's good enough.
It's funny.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
I enjoy that he owned was.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
On Bar Rescue actually real hilarious episode it was.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
I watched that episode.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Did he show up there? Yeah, like his family runs
it okay, and then they make him all emotional like
you're let in Washawn Lynch down.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Oh god, yeah, get me some foe after this man,
John Staffer.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
I love Bar Rescue. It is a guilty pleasure show
for me.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
It is very fun.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
It is very fun. I also pretty much don't believe that.
I feel like most of those bars don't stay with
what they are long after he leaves.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Like no, I, me and Sabrina this whole thing where
we will google like for the other side it's still
open or not. Because like there's some episodes you're.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Like, I hope this family get together, like I hope
this business just lives forever, like this is a great spot,
and then you read like, yeah, it shut down three
weeks later after the remodel, I'm like, yo, what did
you do? And we're little different people. I think because
I Google I do the exact same thing. But I'm like,
I bet you this place closed right away.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Like wow, sometimes you just know watching an episode, Yeah,
this it's an idiot, It's done.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
By the way, side note on John Taffer. I don't
know if you guys know this fact. He was involved
in the creation of NFL Sunday Ticket. Yes, yes, yeah,
he was on the board of NFL Enterprises. Spent three
years on the board, and he was part of the people,
part of the group that came up with the idea
(46:37):
for NFL Sunday Ticket.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
So yeah, while we're on this tangent, uh, he made
like three episodes of a show called Marriage Rescue. Yes,
I saw that. I'm like, I don't need him coming
in and yelling at me when I already falling apart
during COVID. It is the worst hour you'll watch, but
it is hilarious. I'm like, if my marriage is falling apart,
I don't need John Taffer yelling at me about it. Don't.
(47:00):
If you want a spoiler alert. One episode I watched,
he had to convince the wife to stop cheating on
the husband, like that was their marital problems.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Well, yeah, yeah, Episode one, let's start with this.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
It is so bad, but it's it's so bad that
it's fundy.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Everyone in that picture looks like they don't want to
be there, right, And I can't even see the husband's face,
but I can just tell like he just doesn't He's like,
why am I here?
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Why are we doing this? Like, let's just get divorced already.
It's already a wrap.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
So Extraction two, after watching Tyler Rake's his exploits in
the first extraction, he is back for a second.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
So if you had any questions about whether.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Or not he survived the end of Extraction one, well
spoiler alert.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Dead he did. Tyler Rake is unkillable. That is my
takeaway from this.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
He is.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
In this version, he is extracting a woman and her
family from a prison in Georgia, the country, not the state.
This woman happens to also be the sister of Tyler
Rake's ex wife, who is married to a Georgian gangster.
So there are a lot of things that happened in
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this movie.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
We can get to it.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
But the one thing is he takes them out through
a prison riot, right it leaves this woman after a
prison riot.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
There were two things of note in that prison riot
that happened. One, Tyler Rake hits multiple people with a
firearm and I don't mean I don't mean he hit
them with a gun. I mean his arm was on
fire and he was punching people with it. The other
is he gets hit in the head with a cinder block.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
I mean hit in the back of the head with
a brick and he gets up there it is there's
the firearm right there, Like this guy gets it twice,
but multiple guys get it with the firearm. The other
party he gets hitting the head with a brick and
he gets it was second, he gets second and seven,
like all right, let's just go back, let's.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Just keep going like like what he is. So I
had two thoughts on that prison One. He splits the
dude's hand by the fingers like he's a predator or something.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
I clearly grabbed my hand and I felt it in
my palm, Like Jesus.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
He just goes like in his whole hand. Also didn't
even hesitate. I don't know if you guys felt this way.
I was like Tyler Rake is if Travis Kelcey was
was an action star, Like I just kept thinking he looked.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
Like Travis Kelcey in that seat, and I could see that.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
I would say his body would not be my favorite part.
He does a Rocky four workout montage and all of
a sudden he's okay nine months after being declared legally dead.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Well, also he's okay, and he works out mostly by
chopping wood.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
It's just it's splitting logs.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
It's truly Rocky four, right, Like he's in the snow,
just doing snow activities. Everything but chasing a chicken. Gavin
suggests Greg Olsen could be okay, I could see that. Okay,
I still think Kelsey, the fade, the beard, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
Yeah, the other party.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
So you texted us halfway through the movie, LaQuan that
you were fed up with the kid.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
The kid you gotta go, like, how how part one
an extraction one. I'm not gonna say what happened to
spoil it, but you've seen what happened to that one kid.
What about Sondro. He was the villain of this entire movie,
by the way, Like everything happened because of him, Like
it was his fault and like as soon as he
gave him attitude at the prison, like shrugging him off,
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like don't push me, like, kid, I will crush your
hand in my hand, like let's go.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Trying to save you, I will leave you here.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yes, all your uncle who's trying to kill your mother.
And then you get in the car. You're like, this
is going to kill my mother and the guy goes
he wanted her to called this, what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (51:25):
I hate that kid he was.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
I mean he was a kid who like obviously he
looked up to his dad and his uncle.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
And you know, like it do it. He would never
joined that and he did it.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Was that was Henry Hill for as far as I
can for as long as I can remember, I always
wanted to be a gangster, Like that's that's who that
kid was. Until he like got a taste of what
it really meant and then he was like, oh yeah,
maybe I don't want this.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Like you know, sometimes when you sometimes the scene, you
got to learn things the hard way.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
That's just how it happens.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
No one, no one has more family unknown long lost
family members that are in dire need than the lead
character of an.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Action Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
This is what they do, right, Like you have the
first movie and then they're like, well, this family member
that you never knew exists needs your help now more
than ever.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
Right, Yeah, you go ahead.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
You know what scene was awesome though? Uh the elevator
scene where he put the bomb on the elevator door
open and it explodes and he just walks out the steps.
I actually had like a I was like that part
was really cool, Like, yeah, I like to shoot.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
I like the shots in this movie better than the
first one, honestly, Camrack.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
He also kills far fewer people in this movie. I
think we said that he killed over eighty people in
the first movie. I believe his body counting this one
was less than thirty. I mean, yet, help, yeah, help.
He also just knocked a lot of people out and
didn't necessarily killed them.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
I thought that I liked one better than two. I
thought the story of one was better than two. But two,
to me, to your point, h Q, I thought was
focused more on like the shots and like cool way
of doing actions, whereas one was just like this guy
is in a world of trouble and he's got to
figure his way out. This one was more like We're
gonna do really cool. I also felt like two was
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to lead us to three, because there's clearly a year coming. Yeah,
and three looks like it's gonna be really good. But
I felt like two it was like a bridge to
get us to three. Yesterday they came out no trailer. Oh,
like each's alb is gonna be a big part of
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this three. It seems so like that that's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yes, I mean, you don't get it Elba and just
have him do like little cameos at the beginning and
end of a movie, like you're you have a bigger
plan like Thor, like Thor oh when he was Himdall,
that's definitely.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yesterday. If it would be a draw.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
Well, I mean they're the same person, so yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
No, no, I mean, obviously I know it's the same actor,
but no, it feels like Tyler Rake was set up
and to be Thor right like the first.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
In the first movie we talked about it. He likes underwater.
He just sits at the bottom of the lake like
just chill it out, thinking about life.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
You know what what happens in three he gets the
powers of Thor and then Thor one is Extraction four.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Shout out to Chris Helmsworth for being like, I'm gonna
play two characters and that's gonna be my career. Like
I know he does other stuff, but he doesn't have to.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah yeah no, so yeah, you're right. Extraction three, he
extracts maybe he extracts Loki and they go to Asgard
together and then that's how.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
I mean. I did mention Miami before we started talking
about Extraction to the reason was because like.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
As I was watching the movie, Who's it was it
Yazz the the other guy and got killed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I just imagine that being Mike McDaniels. I could totally
see him being Mike Mike, from the the bad shirt
to the smart ass comments, that.
Speaker 3 (55:24):
Fire shirt that was a loud shirt that was very much.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Up your alley.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
I could definitely see you rocking shirt like that, Lakwan.
But I'm like watching them like this dude is totally
Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 4 (55:35):
That's what we are.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Too smart for his own good.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
Probably going off and doing something that's gonna get him killed.
Like you know, like this year, he's gonna make some
movie that he thinks is super smart. It's gonna get
him fired at the end of the year, Like that's
that's him, you know.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah. I was thinking of the dude from Brazil and
Fast and the Furious to who's like he doesn't really
do much, but he just always acting cool. Like that's
that's the I got.
Speaker 4 (56:00):
All Right, I can see that.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
I did like the giant guy chasing them. That guy
was massive.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
He was oh oh yeah, he got done foul though.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Yeah, yeah, of course unit. Yeah. I mean, like the
worst thing to be in an action movie is not
the main villain. It's like the main villains like number
two because you have the worst depth, because you're gonna
get washed. You're gonna get washed in the worst possible way.
So yeah, what's next week's movie? Uh, that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (56:31):
I thought.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
I saw there was a Liam Himsworth movie that showed
up on my on my my timeline there on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (56:39):
Another another action.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
Movie with the with Liam Himsworth, and I'm like, oh,
we could, uh you know, we kind of just keep
it in the family.
Speaker 4 (56:49):
Man Land of Bad, That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
It's got it's got Liam Himsworth and Luke Himsworth, so
he's got two of the Hymnsworth brothers. It has Russell
Crowe uh, and it also has just say said, Ricky Whittle.
I thought it was like the former Oregon running back
but apparently no, there's another person named Ricky Whittle.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Never mind, but it does have both both Msworth brothers
and uh and Russell Crowe. I feel like that's a
worthy realthy nomine unless unless somebody has something better. No.
I know we mentioned on Tuesday, if we don't watch this,
you and Sabrina just need to watch it.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
You just need to watch Shank just to watch it
for sure.
Speaker 3 (57:27):
I'm gonna try to get that done.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
This it's like four hours, so understand, you understand you
gotta be in for a minute, but like it's worthwhile
and if you need to take an intermission, take an internation,
take a break, get some you know, take a walk,
get some snacks, whatever. And there's so many lines from
there that you'll probably be like, oh, that's from this movie.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Or you or you will have seen the gifts floating around.
You'll be like, oh, okay, yeah, I've seen this.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
See that I love. When that happens, there'll be a
lot of things like oh, I've seen this gift before,
Like I know, I've seen this.
Speaker 3 (57:55):
I want to see the one. I need to still
find the one movie where the one guy he's like
any like looking back.
Speaker 2 (58:02):
Oh, that's that's that's Webaye, from an episode of the Wire.
It's it's from the Wire. I need to watch the
wat finish the Wire. Yeah. Apparently Aman Ross Brown had
knee surgery this offseason.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
Okay, breaking news.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
All right, aarsb ours BA with some knee surgery that
is going to impact the ADP.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
And he's the guy who was going mid to late
first round. We'll see.
Speaker 4 (58:26):
We'll see whether this knocks him out of the.
Speaker 2 (58:27):
First neighbors and pooka over him. That's all there you go,
all right, OURSBA may be dropping to early round two,
perhaps worth worthwhile. All right, we'll be back with you
though next Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
A little bit of a note, no cheat sheet next
Thursday we will be scattered to the winds.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
Uh so, just one show for you next week. We'll
keep you updated on the calendar as we move along.
At the meantime, I.
Speaker 4 (58:51):
Appreciate you hanging out.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Thanks to Gavin Kinsel for putting us together for us
as always, for the kawand Jones, for Michael Floria.
Speaker 1 (58:58):
This is Marcus Grant saying thank you for enjoying the
cheat sheets. They happy, saving healthy, do good and live well.
Enjoy the weekend, everybody. We'll talk to you again next week.
Hey, everybody, welcome to another edition of the cheat Sheet.
It is Thursday, June fifth, twenty twenty five. I'm Marcus Grant.
That is Michael and Florio that is the Kwan Jones.
Welcome to the other of the cheat Sheet on this Thursday.
Happy Thursday, y'all.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It is.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is officially June. This is our second show in June.
We had one on Tuesday June. Gloom is officially here.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Oh yeah, it feels like Jersey Man.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
For those of you who are unaware, if you're not
from California, if you're from somewhere else and you want
to come visit Los Angeles, you're always wanting to come
visit LA, don't do it in June. You'll be disappointed.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
I've learned that because when I first came here, it
was in June, and I'm like, Yo, where's the weather.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Yeah, yeah, it's gonna be gray. It's gonna be in
the you know, maybe the upper sixties, maybe it burns
off in the afternoon. But June not a great time
to come. But come July through, you know, March, April,
may even just not June.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I remember a couple of years ago when our company
used to do like a gathering in June. Marcus. We
were at like a really nice hotel in Santa Monica,
and we kept seeing all the people who were visiting
and we were like, they made a brutal mistake. They
came at the wrong time. Yep, yep.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
We were right there across from the beach and all
the tourists looking sort of confused but try to make
the best of it, so you know, God bless them
for all of that. But anyway, it is another edition
of the cheat sheet. Glad that you can be here
with us. Happy Thursday to you, mister scampers. We appreciate
you popping in me. We got another edition of Something
or Nothing. We are always welcome to have your questions.
(01:51):
We'll try to answer any that we get in the chat.
And then for the film festival, we watched Extraction two.
We watched Extraction a couple weeks, so we followed up
with the sequel this week, more from Tyler Rake and
just all the goodness there. So yes, as we get
started with Something or Nothing, I forgot to actually put
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this in the rundown, but I'm glad that somebody else
jumped in there and threw it in because there's news
out of Denver. We talked on Tuesday about Sean Payton
saying he believes Audric Estimate needs more touches, and Lakwan
pretty much brushed that off as just i'll chatter. Then
yesterday Tom Pella Sero reported that JK. Dobbins was taking
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a visit to Denver and maybe thinking about signing with
the Broncos. And so that's been the chatter around the
Broncos running back room for the last not quite twenty
four hours. So I will ask you again on Thursday,
Lakwan want to ask you on Tuesday, where's your RJ
Harvey God.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Now, Kevin, can we please pull out the picture?
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I just want to say care, we don't care, Like
I felt like I was getting jumped yesterday from you guys,
because listen, not only was you guys like, oh hey,
did just eat the news, I'm getting added in Tom's tweets.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
I'm getting my buddies in the sleeper chat.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Bro. I saw the news. We are good, like, I'm
not worried.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
About this, and you guys were like sitting here poking
the bear like, no, it's going to be a good
addition to that backfield. If they get JK.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Dobbins. Look look at Marcus.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Look he's fermosly doing it. It's crazy we're starting off
the top with this because this was not the first
thing on the Rundown Ladies and gentlemen, so this was
clearly a plan attack. But to get to my point though,
with JK. Dobbins, he's going to be added to that
backfield and it's only going to help this Denver Broncos
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offense because we have to remember they had no running game.
Javonte Williams wash wash like the geenes that I'm throwing
out now because they're just not even blue anymore. Like
that is Javonte Williams. He barely cracked the five hundred
yard mark. Now you add JK. Dobbins, which, in Sean
Payton's like vision border what this offense is going to be.
You have him inserting him as the mark ingram and
(04:18):
Alvin Kamer being that badge of honor that R. J.
Harvey could play because we have to remember Javonte Williams
had seventy targets last year. People, that's targets that are
going to the running back position. And r J. Howarvey
is clearly the better pass catcher and more explosive back
than JK.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Dobbins.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
Now you add JK to that backfield. Do we not
remember twenty seventeen, Alvin Kamara and mark Ingram both finish
top ten running backs in points for a game. Come on, folks,
let's not get too crazy about this.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
JK.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Dobbins or deal here. All right, let's just accept it
for what it is. He's having lunch, might you know,
I mean having dinner. By lunchtime, he might end up
being signed. Do not at me, do not hit my
DMS or my chats. I'm good.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
The freaking to the moon. I mean, so you.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
So you think, what do you think R. J.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Harvey's gonna get what two hundred and fifty touches in
this backfield? No, he don't need it.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
Alvin Kamara didn't get two hundred and fifty touches. Mark Ingram
actually led the team in touches, and he's still finished
higher than mark Ingram with twenty Fantasy points for a game.
And that's Adam Kamara. I know you guys are gonna
be like, well, he had one hundred targets. That's fine,
that's fine. He had one hundred targets that season. Michael
Thomas even had twelve hundred yards that season as well.
Great thumbs up, but here's the thing. We don't have
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a Michael Thomas on that team. We still don't know
if Pat Bryan is going to be that high sailing
the prototype of a Michael Thomas. But it's fine those
targets that happened last year with Davonte Williams, of all people,
not Jalen, not him. Mclallan didn't get those targets, but
Javonte Williams did. So I'm going on a little rant
right now because this is getting me hot, because I
don't understand the news to make R. J. Harvey drop down.
(05:54):
He's going into fifth round, Marcus, I dare you to
drop thank you, we do not care.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
I dare you to drop R J.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Harvey's ADP less than what it is right now.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I dare you.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
So many championships are gonna be screaming like, why did
you guys do this because of JK.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Dobbins.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
It's not it's not just because of JK. Dobbins. It's JK.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Dobbins plus this object estimate news, plus the fact that
Julian mcloffin. I think Sean Payton hates your fantasy team.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
He does.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I mean, like, look, if you want to be on
an RJ. Harvey, fine, but if you're gonna sit here
and tell me RJ. Harvey to the moon in year one,
I'm not buying it. I'm not buying it in year one.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I think he puts a cap on the upside.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
He does it, puts a cap on the upside. We
expect it now.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
So RJ. Harvey could be could still produce, right in
my opinion, Like, and I want to say this, like
I'm not the leader of like the like LQ loves
r J. Harvey. I was in on Harvey before he
got drafted, and then he went to the BRES and
like his ADP shot up and he's going fifth round.
Sounds good until you realize he's RB seventeen. And what
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is his ceiling now if Dobbins is there, Like, is
it top twelve? Because to me, you're paying close to
that price then to get him. And look, I had
a lot of people in my mentions yesterday being like,
well JK. Dobbins wasn't actually good, Okay, people being like RJ.
Harvey is better that doesn't matter. Like it matters, but
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only to an extent, because we've seen plenty of really
talented rookies have their ceiling capped by a veteran presence.
Javonte is a good example, Like we all loved him,
Melvin Gordon capped his ceiling on Tuesday. I was like,
Bijon lost touches to Tyler Rale's year, Gibbs lost them
to Montgomery, Bucky was losing touches to Rashad White last year.
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Like it. They could still produce and still be really good,
but it just puts a cap on the ceiling in
my opinion, So I would rather RJ. Harvey fall a bit,
and then I think he's an appropriate value at seventeen
right now, Like I could wait rounds and get like
a round or two and get James Connor, Like James
Connor was a top ten running back last year.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
He was. That's a good That was like one of
the only names I didn't see pop up in the
little group chat that I'm in that we were arguing
about RJ. Harvey and JK. Dobbins.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
But I could hear your point on that, though I
think he should go closer to the other rookie, like
all of the other rookies outside of Hampton and gent
are going outside the top two.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
But Marcus Florod, the good news here is that we
have people that are anti RJ.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Harvey.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
So again, I dare you to drop his ADP right now.
If it goes into sixth, seventh round. That is a
beautiful value that you're gonna get for a guy that's
going to be explosive in an offense, that's able to
move the ball, with a comparable quarterback in both Nicks,
that can dump it off. Like, I see the targets,
I see the opportunity, and I see it talent. And JK.
Domins is not scaring me because he only helps this
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running game be a little bit better.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
I mean, yeah, I guess I hear all that. I
just I feel like there's just gonna be too many people.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
And my biggest fear is, uh, Sean Payton's gonna see JK.
Dobbins and his huge body and be like, hey, you're
the goal line guy now. And if that happens like that,
well that is a cat. I think that's what happened
with mark.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Ingram though, and I think Adam Kamara, like all his
touchdowns were obviously breakaway runs, and JK. Dobbins is not
a breakaway runner, you know what I mean. So he's
not a guy that I expect take it from you know,
their own forty and take it to the house. I
expect that out of RJ. Harvey, But there's gonna be
opportunities for both of them to be successful. I mean,
mark Ingram had twelve touchdowns that year. Albm Kamara had thirteen. Like, well,
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that's a successful backfield.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Agree, agree, one hundred percent. But it's one of the
best running back tendems we've had in years. Drew Brees
was in his prime. Michael Thomas was like, like, we're
elevating all of the Broncos to be at the Saints level,
and I like, they that's the absolute ceiling.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
That is that is the absolute ceiling. So I'm willing
to say top twelve, top twelve r J. Harvey, but
you're getting him in what the fifth or sixth round
by the time we get to August, Like, that's that's
a good deal. That's a good deal for me to
do as an RB two.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
The other thing like fifth round right now in underdog.
But you know when these re draft leagues start happening.
Running backs get pulled up the board more so like
dude upstream, they do go up seventeen could be a
fourth If he's going in the middle of the fourth round,
are you still taking him there? I did, yes, okay,
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I do love to support. I took him in the
second round.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
I mean in the fourth round, in the middle of
the fourth because I didn't like the running backs after that,
because some guys were getting pulled up as well. But
James Connor, like I said, is a good example of
a guy that you could wait on who is still
getting the targets and getting the opportunities on the goal
line as the main back. Because Trey Benson is not
threatening whatsoever at this point. But that that is a
(11:18):
good point. Look you pull one out of your pocket, bro,
like I did not know that you had James kinder
tuck delay. But as a good example.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
Uh, look, I just I say, there's there's just too
many bodies there.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
That's my like, Tyra, you cannot defeat me, you cannot
kill me. I am undefeated when it comes to this man,
I'm standing my ground. I am the Tyler Rake of
the RJ. Harvey's right now. I am extracting him all
the way to RB one this season.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I do want to. I'm not an anti RJ. Hart,
Like I really liked him as a player, and I
see the upside in all of that. It's more skeptical
of trusting Sean Payton when you have this many options.
In fact, like if he falls a little bit in ADP,
on totally still in. But like he's going. I know
(12:04):
the rounds are a little bit different, but he's going
in RB rankings one. He's the next RB after Joe Mixon.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
He's right ahead of DeAndre Swift and a lot of
a lot of ADPs.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
In Underdog right now. Because his ADP is rounds higher
than Dean I'd much rather DeAndre Swift that cost.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Swift is definitely going to come up by the time
August comes around, Like his ADP is going to go up.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
He's the most I take him every drive.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, yeah, Look, I this feels like Sean Payton is
gonna be like when you go the cheesecake factory, right
and you think you have what you want, You're like, oh,
this looks good too, and like that's gonna be him
his running.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Back estimate if he gets valuable touches. I want a
wellness check on Sean Payton. He's a nice guy, but
come on, all your estimate over a JK. Dobbins and
R J. Harvey to touch the ball where on the field, But.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
You have two huge backs there. That my fear is
goal line like he's losing those touches. Is that that?
Speaker 4 (13:01):
It's all right?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
What would you rather have?
Speaker 3 (13:03):
Like? I know it sounds crazy, but we're in p
PR formats. If you if I tell you, R. J.
Harvey is going to see a hundred targets, but he's
going to have less goal line over to opportunities than JK.
Downs Are you? Are you out?
Speaker 4 (13:15):
Are you in? But I don't think he's getting hundred targets.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, seventy seventy targets is the second huge seventy targets.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
If he's getting seventy targets, he go on work at
all then then nor two.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
Yeah I can do that. I could do that.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I mean Johnson Williams has seventy targets last year.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Okay, you know you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
But that was also a distant second to Courtland Sutton.
You know, also allegedly Marvin Mims is going to see
more work. Allegedly, Devon Valet is good. Allegedly they may
sign JK. Dobbins. Llegedly, object estimate is going to get
more touches. I mean, there's a whole lot of there's
a whole lot of hopium going.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
On right now, pumped up too much, in my opinion, Yeah,
I think so.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I think some of this is people may be wishing
for the demise of the Chiefs, uh and then seeing
a little bit of what bo Nicks did last year.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
There's a lot of hype around this offense. And see,
you have.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
Every reason to be on board floor you know, you
hate the Chiefs, Like, just come on, let's just I'm
just joined.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I would love for the Broncos to win their division
and to beat the Chiefs and all of that. I
just I don't want to pay Saints prices for Broncos offense.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
You know. But that was a team with like no
wide receiver to or or run game, no tight end
like that Mars.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Called like a sixty year touchdown. Huh. Martin Vins is
a wide receiver too. They just don't believe in him, and.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
He utilized an intermittent like, I don't know what they're
doing with him. Actually, I can't even put into words
what Shaun Peyton thinks of Marvin Mims because I don't
even think he knows who he is. Like that's the problem.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Yeah, Gavin wanted to drop in this fact that the
charts of it, Shorty says Chargers.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
The Broncos our producer, our producer.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Gavin is a Charger fan, so I know he wants
to give some love to the squad. There's going to
be a battle, I think in the AFC West, right
because the Chiefs obviously still the division champs, the Broncos
are improved, the Chargers are going to be competitive, even
the Raiders are going to be better than where they were.
So for sure, all right, that was enough tweaking of
(15:32):
Ludo though, that's fine.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
We want we want to get that in here.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Uh. The story we were actually gonna lead the show
with is the Anthony Richardson story. It broke literally just
a few minutes before we came on, injured his shoulder.
Will not participate in mini camp next week. Reportedly, it
is the same shoulder that he injured last year. I
missed some time with an ac shoulder injury ac joint injury.
(15:59):
So you know, look, I put this under something or nothing,
for this is definitely something right. There's no way this
is not nothing.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
No, because the one thing that and I sound like
a broken record, I know that the thing that Anthony
Richardson most needs is reps. Because when the Colts drafted him,
he was a twenty one year old who had thrown
three hundred and ninety three passes in college. He has
not reached that number yet in two NFL seas, like combined,
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he's at three uh three forty eight. So in all
of college and the NFL, he's thrown less than seven
hundred or around seven hundred passes like that. That's too
little and he needs the reps. And so now missing
all like I know, they're saying he's gonna be ready
for camp and stuff like that, but now he's missing
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all of this time. And on top of that, that
is more time that Daniel Jones gets with these receivers
and that the coaches get to watch him and stuff.
So I had my original thinking was like it it's
probably gonna be Anthony Richardson who wins this at least
coming out, But now I think it's really up in
the air, and they are complete opposites when it comes
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to fantasy. Like if Anthony Richardson has the QB, he
brings a lot of upside himself, but you don't really
want the pass catchers. It's the exact opposite with Daniel Jones,
Like you don't want to start Daniel Jones at all,
but he is better than Anthony Richardson is for the
pass catchers, especially Josh Downs, because he's thrown in his
last three seasons combined, twenty seven percent of his passes
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have gone to the slot. His last full season in
twenty twenty three it was thirty three percent. So like,
heil Robinson a thing and Josh Downs is actually good.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
So like, yes, get excited, yeah yeah, I mean so
I'm with you on this FLOORA that that it was
going to be a camp battle, right. That was the
reason they brought in Daniel Jones was to give Anthony
Richardsons competition, to force him to really up his game
to earn that starting spot. The thing is, we have
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seen that the Colts will bench Anthony Richardson with no hesitation.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
We saw that last year. Now, mind you, it was
maybe a poor decision.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
It was probably premature because Joe Flacco ended up being awful,
but they're obviously gonna give him a very short leash. LaQuan,
I have this feeling that if Daniel Jones wins this competition,
which obviously with Richardson not playing now, he gets a
leg up heading into you know, July and August. Yeah,
(18:38):
I think it's gonna be hard for Richardson to pry
him out of that job, mostly because I mean, unless
Jones just falls on his face the way Flaco did
last year, I think he'll be good enough. And I
don't know that we've seen anything out of Richardson to
suggest he can be so much better as to just
force Indy's hand to put him back in the starting lineup.
Speaker 3 (18:59):
Yeah, it's gonna be very hard. I think we're seeing
a preview to the storyline and narrative that's going to
be heading into week one, and then I think they're
going to just pull the trigger now and like in
their heads just think, all right, well, you know, this
guy's hurt again. It's gonna take some time to get
him ramp back up to get these reps that he
desperately needs. But if Daniel Jones is playing decent ball
through camp and going into week one, I don't see
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how Anthony Richardson sees the field again, because it's more
so of like what is it going to take for
him to.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Get a.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Ups and down? I love mister scampers, but I do
feel like this is gonna be hard for me to
even look at Anthony Richardson as like a lay round
steal or dart throw or even into that nature. Like
I'm kind of just completely just all right, I'm out.
I'm out of the project, you know.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
I mean, florida'se I know you've been still willing to
take that late shot on Richardson.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Does this change how you feel about that? Yeah, it
makes it a little bit tougher. I still am of
the mindset that like, if these two are, if the
camp battle is close at all, advantage Anthony Richardson, because
I think if you're the Colts and you bench Anthony
Richardson again, that's it, right, Like it's hard to come
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back from that from being benched twice. So that's why
I kept being like, I think he is at least
going to open the season as the starter. But now
we got to see how long he misses because they're
saying no procedure and that he's gonna be back sometime
at camp. But what if it's not till like August
that he like I'm just purely speculating here, but it
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all depends on how long this is going to side
on him. It is just another bad thing in what
has been a really bad start to a career. Because
I still believe Richardson has all the potential in the world.
I don't know how you can watch him and not
think that he has otherworldly potential. Can he put it together?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
We don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
We've seen a lot of guys with potential not be
able to put it together. But if he can't be
on the field, then he's never going to be able
to put it together. Because again, those reps and everything
is what he needs more than anything.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, I mean he needs work as a passer, right
the running thing and the rushing touchdowns. That works for us,
that works for fantasy, it does not work for the
Indianapolis Colts. You need someone who can be You don't
have to be a great passer. He just has to
be a competent passer. And last year, forty seven percent
completion percentage is not anything close to being competent in
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that area, and it's not going to get better by
being on the sidelines. So it's an unfortunate setback. We'll
see how serious it is, how long it's going to
keep him out, But and like you said, it's a
tough start to what has been a difficult career so far.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
He doesn't even play. He hasn't even played a full
seventeen games yet.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Bro, I can't put him in the satural discontent. Like,
I don't even think he even fitsed the criteria to
even get in that bag now, because it's kind of
like he's not on the field playing like we don't
have anything.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
You had to have had some contentment before you put
him in the statchel of discontent, which is why those
those valuable reps should have been going to him last
year and not Joe Flacco, where you got blown out
every game he played. Anyway, I'm still yeah, I mean
in Cleveland, that's that's that's literally what it was.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
They looked around at the division and they said, you
know what, there's still a chance we can win this
thing or maybe even just sneak into the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
And so they made the move and it blew up
spectacularly on them.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
And that was six game Cleveland run is the most
overrated thing in football in the last few years. Like it,
I get it. They got molly wopped in the playoffs.
Like it wasn't as good as I don't know, he
won't comeback player of the Year off of like a
good month. It's crazy to me and that guy who
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came back to life, like I still can't believe that
I look at that's true. Yeah, he won it over
a guy who literally died, who literally died on the field.
And there's peoples to this day who defend it who
are like, well, he was the better player, Like okay,
some things are better than how they play on the field.
Speaker 1 (23:20):
But also he played five games. He played five games
in the regular season and then one game of the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
That was it.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Other quarterback news in the AFC South Demico Ryan says CJ.
Stroud is dealing with general soreness in his throwing shoulder. Lakwan,
is this something or nothing?
Speaker 3 (23:42):
This is something? Did you watch the video? Like the
body language was very telling, Like it was like that
nervous laugh, like yeah, yeah, enough questions or like no, bro,
we see you, we see what's going on that it
might be something that just monitor because I don't need
a hurt CJ. Stroud once they just got the new
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toys in town, you know what I mean. Like I'm
a huge Christian Kirk guy, Jalen Noel and obviously Jayden Higgins.
I need these guys to have a c J. Stroud
top tier like his rookie year type of level of health.
So it's like, ooh, this might actually be something that
we have to consider. You know, once we start getting
closer to you know, camp, youah.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Go ahead, I might be done just washing my hands
and the pisans offense like what I had Nico Collins
in my home league. It's the keeper league. I have
him already there. I love Nico Collins, but I always
find myself a little hesitant because I don't know, Like
a friend of mine asked me yesterday, uh see which CJ.
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Stroud was the real c J. Stroud rookie year or
last year? And I don't know because I don't think
he's as bad as he was last year. But I
I've been saying this for a while. I think he
overperformed his rookie year and he had off the charts
efficiency on deep ball. Their old line is worse now CJ.
Stroud is hurt. There's a lot of weapons there. Like
LQ was saying, I don't know, man, I find it.
(25:11):
I get it. If you want to get Kirk or
the rookie wide receivers, they're very cheap, they're laid upside,
but you have to use a top fifteen pick on
Nico Collins. And I get why because Nico is amazing.
But like, I don't know this. This is scaring me.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Uh. I would say that, and I think a lot
of people have the same reaction you did, Lakwan. Whereas
looking at Demiko Ryans' body language and sort of listening
to his tone has people worried about it.
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, yeah, I would be as a fan, I'd be like, yo,
tell us the truth, like we want to know if
we buy season tickets. The words, the words.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
That came out of his mouth said the Texans are
not worried, but everything else about it said, yeah, there's
some concern about this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
And the clean well and and.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
Look, I mean to Floorial's point, if CJ.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
Stroud's not there, this whole thing really does fall apart
unless you somehow believe Davis Mills is the done you know,
is crazy, Davis Mills. If you know, Keaton's slovas rises
up from the depths of I think he's like number
four on the depth chart.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Uh. David Mills was good though.
Speaker 3 (26:28):
He went through that little game.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Had like odd good stretch. Remember when Nico Collins was
like a fringe guy to roster and then c. J.
Stroud arrived and now he's a wide receiver one like crazy.
Speaker 3 (26:42):
Yeah, that's pretty nuts. That's a huge joke. Hey, hey,
our producers bring up Damian Pierce.
Speaker 2 (26:47):
Don't do that. That's triggering right there, man? That and
Piers Man, I mean what you're But which one of
you is out on? You're out on Joe Mixing?
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:58):
Lukwan, you're out? Yes?
Speaker 3 (27:05):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
If you're sitting there on the board and R. J.
Harvey and Joe Mixon are both there, which one are
you taking.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
My eyes and hitting draft?
Speaker 2 (27:16):
Just put.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
Yeah, just close my eyes and just all right, We're good.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Doesn't matter, all right? Yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
The Stroud thing definitely something to pay attention to, along
with the Richardson things.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
So two quarterbacks like a sack on that shoulders. Every
time he gets sacked. You're going to be worried if
you invest.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
I'm going to take this off season to like actually
read the sign and then process it and tuck it
and read the sign again and not ever bring it
back up because I'm probably not going to draft CJ.
Stroud or Nico Collins this year. But Joe Mixon stays
on the roster though, he's going to get done off.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
You know what, if it's Davis Mills, he probably will
dump it off the top. Thank you.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
All in you get the dump off, let's go.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
You know, I don't know it's I do want to
look into that.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
I mean, what was Davis Mill? Was he a dump
off guy? Or was he a you know, bleep it
they're down there.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Soon will be a dump off guy. He's cold on
the bench. I mean when the last time he saw.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Some real games. I mean, look, man, I mean Taylor
was above.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Him on the depth chart if I if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
I mean I'm looking yards per attempt when he was
a starter in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Yeah, six and a half. So he wasn't necessarily chucking
it deep. You know how certain quarterbacks they say can't
see over the line. Well, David Davis Mills is six four.
You can see. You can see he can't see over
the dump off like he that's below his line of sight.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
He can see the horizon. You can see the horizon.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
He knows he can.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Davis Mills can stand in the pocket and tell you
that the Earth is not flat. He's like, no, I
can see his curve.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
I'm tall enough.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
I can just see see how it curves. It's fine,
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Oh my god, Shorty in the chat time about Elic
Yoman or a yeomanor receiver for the Titans gonna be
a sleeper.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
I see him cook Hunter for three hundred yards in college.
He was unstoppable. I am, I have professed, Yeah, just
like he like late round.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
You know, like, I don't expect if I'm drafting him,
I'm not expecting I'm gonna be putting him in my
lineup every single week. But I do want to cut
a draft and follow and see what he turns into,
because I do think there's opportunity there with a Titans
roster that does not have a lot of depth at
wide receiver. So yeah, I'm definitely willing to give him
a shot.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I had a little concerns about his separation, but cam
Ward is the quarterback that's gonna be like, yeah, I
trust my arm.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Yeah exactly, he's got.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
That in there.
Speaker 4 (29:41):
We'll get it there. It's fine, he's open. It's good.
Speaker 1 (29:45):
In Baltimore, Ton Monkin talking about Zay Flower saying, quote,
we've just got to get him the ball more. But
at the same time, the Baltimore Ravens also just handed
a three year, thirty six point seventy five million dollar
extension too.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Shot Bateman teed twenty guaranteed. That's where it's at.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
So this whole thing about the Zay Flowers Florio is
this something or nothing?
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (30:10):
It is?
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I think they Monkin believes it's something, But I don't
believe it is something because, uh, like you look at
last season alone, they threw one hundred and sixteen times
to Flowers. No one else on that team was even
within thirty forty targets of him, And they just paid
for Shad Bateman, who is their number two target. Mark
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Andrews and Isaiah likely are there and remember Andrews had
that really weird start to the season, and then you
add in d Hop like their number three target wide
receiver last year was Nelson Aguilor. He listed thirty targets.
I'm pretty confident that d Hop is going to have
more than thirty targets this year. There's still a running
back like it's just so many weapons. And then you
add in that this is a big play offense, so
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there's fewer drives where you're going ten to fifteen plays
deep because you have Derek and rebreaking out sixty yard runs.
You have Lamar throwing fifty yard touchdowns, stuff like that.
So we were talking about it before the show. I
was doing some research for the Insiders, and Lamar in
his career has had one receiver finished top thirty six
and points per game, like it's or top thirty, thirty five,
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something like that. Top thirty. It's not great like his
wide receivers are all wide receiver threes or worse. So, yeah,
I like Flowers for real life. But I think last
year's kind of what we should expect every year. It
feels like the Ravens like we're gonna throw the ball more. Oh,
last year, I'll say this, Lamar said a career high.
He went over four thousand passing yards for the first
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time in his career. He had forty touchdowns for the
first time in his career, And.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
As much as I love Lamar Jackson, that also kind
of feels like the ceiling when you look at the
offense and the weapons around him, that you know that's
about the peak of what you can expect from him
as a passer. He's still gonna be effective running the balls.
I'm not gonna I'm not in here telling you he's
going to decline or be bad. But it also feels
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like that's sort of the best you can hope for.
And as you mentioned, with all the other guys there
right with DeAndre Hopkins, there with Mark Andrews, there with
Isaiah Likely, I mean hopefully getting some more opportunities Bateman Flowers,
is that enough to support all of these guys? And
I'm not sure that it is. I mean to this point,
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you know, you look at a guy like Rashad Bateman
and he is underwhelmed, right, That's fair. He's he has
not been what I think people thought he was going
to be coming out of college. I mean, good for him,
I'm getting paid, but I don't know that that suddenly
makes me feel like, yep, I got to move or
shot Bateman up my draft board because he's just gonna
start cooking.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (32:46):
I don't see that he's a raven Like that's that's
just what it is for me, that he just plays
for the Ravens.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Like I'm not jumping up down for Ravens receiver. They
broke Deontay Johnson by the way, like I want to
know what happened, because there's no way he wasn't going
to go there and produce.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
But then he didn't even play.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
He just just there on vacation up in the playoffs
so that no one else could play. Like it was wild. Yeah,
I don't.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
And now he's in Cleveland.
Speaker 2 (33:18):
Am I crazy to think that he could be something
in Cleveland because like he come drafted in Best Ball
sometimes Yeah what yeah, I'm taking those shots, sure, I
mean at the price. Uh just you know again, that's
a that's a whole situation. Yonte Johnson or I am
man Or. I'll take Johnson over, I would take all right,
(33:41):
there we go. Yeah, I take Johnson.
Speaker 1 (33:42):
I mean, but that's not I like, but I am
a or is Like I mean literally, I'm taking I'm
taking him. Like near the end of the draft, so like,
you know, it's not.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Went undrafted and I was He's like, why you receiver
one hundred or something?
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, I mean, like nobody knows he's on Cleveland.
Speaker 1 (33:58):
That's why I literally had to look at I'm like,
where is he right now? And I had to I
just had to look it up.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
How long though before? He absolutely hates all four of
those quarterbacks.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
That's the thing. There's all these quarterbacks here.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
You know.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
I saw some video chaeduur dimes out here and people
were getting excited about it, and that's that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
But there's just so much, so much turmoil there in
that passing game. I just I just don't want to
deal with it.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
A couple other ones here, Mike McDonald says it's crazy
to ask if Sam Donald will be the seahawks starting quarterback.
Luk On you were saying that you saw some stuff
that like Seahawks fans, folks in Seattle were like pumping
up Jalen Milroe that they want Jalen Milroe.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
This was just literally a couple of days before this
report came out. You know, I'm just looking into fantasy
streets scrolling and I'm like, why am I seeing Jalen
Milroe right now just because we saw one slow motion video.
It's like, what, Okay, I don't see why this is
even a thing. Because Sam Donald, like you might get
the same product that you got that the Vikings guy.
(35:01):
You know, he's been with the Kyle Shanahans and now
with KOC. Now he's going to Seattle with an opportunity
to be the guy. I don't think we should start
having him look over his shoulder. It will be somewhat
of the panther situation he had, you know. So it's
like you better keep saying on a mental state that
he is the QB one, or are you going to
start seeing some ghost again.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I mean, this is ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
It's ridiculous. Why what Yeah one, Sam Donald was good
last year. He's better than Drew Locky.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
They got rid of Drew lock Like they've already given
up on him.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
You know, he's who's behind.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
Uh yeah, so but Drew lock is there, he's their
number two guy, right, He's better than Drew lock Jaln
Milroe is a project also Seattle, Andy. Then the Mariners
are good, Like focus on that for a little while,
like give them some attention for a couple of weeks
and then come back to this in like July and August.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
They paid Sam Donald one hundred million dollars. He hasn't
taken a snap yet, and people are like, hey, the
guy that you traded and then got back, or the
third round rookie, that is a development pick. Maybe you
should start though, like like what are we doing here?
I understand Sam is what he is, but like he's deserved,
he's earned respect and the chance to start and all
(36:13):
of it. And meanwhile, last year when I tweeted that like, hey,
if Seattle falls out of it, maybe they'll play Sam
hawl over Gino Smith, Seahawk fans were coming for me,
like I said, the worst like this guy yet and
you're trying to replace him now, I don't. I don't
get it. That just seems like a lot. The twenty
four hour news cycle was a mistake. Like we have
(36:36):
we don't have to fill everything. We don't have to
ask questions about like Sam, there's nine months football and
we're right in the middle of it. Now, what am
I doing? Be a boss?
Speaker 4 (36:46):
RP boss?
Speaker 3 (36:51):
Yeah, we're using that again.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Okay, so wait if you had okay, lookwan uh let's
let's just for the sake of argument, say that mil
Roe became a boss r B.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Would you take him over Kenneth Walker?
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Yeah, Like I know what I'm getting.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Yeah, all right, all right, cool, that's fair.
Speaker 3 (37:12):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (37:12):
DJ Moore says he's had conversations with Ben Johnson about
his body language. Uh, there were times last year where
DJ Moore would get visibly frustrated about things that were happening.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
Uh, there's that one.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
There's a one play right where you just kind of
like hung out on the sideline like he got then
he like blocked out of bounds.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Or something like that, and you just kind of like
stayed stuff like that and get the frustration. Yeah, I
get it too. I Mean this feels like nothing to me.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Guys. You know what it's like. It's like if you
had a hoopedie and you were upset with your car
and then all of a sudden someone gave you a
Ferrari and we're like, hey, are you still gonna be
upset with your car?
Speaker 3 (37:48):
Like, no, Ed, I'm much happier.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah. We don't watched the Bears offense last year. We
knew how broken it was. Like, we were all very
vocal about it now he gets one of the best
play callers in the league.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
I think this is him basically saying like, hey, you know,
get your body language on top. You are being looked
at as a leader now like you were the face,
you were the guy next to Caleb. You guys are
going to be playing backyard ball. You'll be much happier
on the sidelines, you know.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
DJ Moore is one of my most drafted wide receivers
so far. I can see that, and I've seen him
bounce like there's underdog adp right now is wide receiver
twenty three. He's behind Xavier Worthy and Tito and McMillan
and just behind his Hunter and DeVonta Smith, like he
should keep it.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
He's behind McMillan. Huh, Yeah, I just he should be.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
He should be going into like the range where like
Rashid Rice, Terry McLaurin, Marvin Harrison, like high end twos.
But you're getting him as a low.
Speaker 4 (38:55):
End two for something.
Speaker 3 (38:56):
Yeah, that's crazy. Let's just pretend for the next couple
of months that he is bad and we come on
the pod and just say he's.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Terrible, and then I'll tell you this right now. Always
thinks don't draft him. All of the Bears are going
to be on a ton in my fantasy cause, like,
you're not paying the Ben Johnson tax, which I thought
you'd have to not yet that did not come later,
So take advantage of it now. I think. Get a
couple of questions in the chat, this one from Shorty,
Who's asking, are you guys high on Caleb Williams. The
(39:26):
short answer is yes. The longer answer is yes, yeah, man, Like.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I So it's funny because last year when we were
talking about Caleb, everybody was super high on him, right,
and like I kind of started the process being very
cautiously optimistic, Like I think we started. I was probably
the lowest on Caleb Williams, and I think I got
here pressured into like just going big on him and
something by like you know, by the time the season started,
I was like, he's gonna be a soft ten quarterback.
Like I feel like I got I got bullied into it.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
Voice. Uh yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:05):
So but this year, I I always thought that year
two was going to be the better year for Caleb.
I at the time didn't know that Ben Johnson was
going to come over and be their head coach. But
I always thought year two was going to be better.
So yeah, this is this is it for me, for Caleb,
I'm in agreed. It was one of the ones I
saw a Dynasty League question from Lucy Demon in my
(40:29):
Dynasty I was offered Brian Thomas for pick one oh two,
one oh three and Tank Dell Do I take it
very tim thing, but you also have but like it's
like picks one O two and one O three could
be anything.
Speaker 4 (40:41):
It could be Brian Thomas, Like that's kind of how
I look at it could be a boat.
Speaker 1 (40:47):
You know.
Speaker 3 (40:49):
That one and one of three is nice though that
is true.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
About you're not gonna get class at all. Yet that's
the other part, like because yeah, you're missing out.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
I'm assuming your your rookie draft for this year has
already come and gone, so you know, any of this
year's prospects are are sort of gone.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
But if it's this year's two and three, I would
strongly consider it. But next year.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Absolutely, If it's this year, I'm taking it because yeah,
I can literally attack two positions.
Speaker 2 (41:22):
And well you're gonna you're going on, here's a me
on John T. But you can get yourself a quarterback
and a wide receiver. You can get two wide receivers.
You can get another running back. If you can get
another running back, you guys that Brian Thomas's numbers were
way better with Mac Jones than with Trevor Lawrence. I
said that when we when we're on the pod, like
(41:44):
it's the same thing, Like it's more to the things
like that is a hit to Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (41:49):
He's bad. He sucks.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Yeah. Now there's Travis Us there who is very good.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
Travis Hunter is very good.
Speaker 2 (41:58):
Just put Travis quarterback.
Speaker 3 (41:59):
By week four, Trevor's still doing the same stuff. Man,
get him out of here, he said.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
Played him in QB two.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Though, I do worry a little bit about whether Thomas
can be that guy when there's more target competition, right, Like,
some of it was it's pumped, some of it was.
I mean, look, he had one hundred and thirty three targets.
The next closest was Evan Ingram at sixty four. Right, Yeah,
(42:24):
Christian Christian Kirkiss more than half the season. You know,
Parker Washington wasn't really a thing. He had a couple
of game, decent games late. They just didn't have any
depth in that wide receiver room. So if, like, if
Travis Hunter is that guy, does that take a bite
out of Brian Thomas's production?
Speaker 2 (42:46):
You know what, I didn't realize this until you just
said it, Marcus, But the end of the year, they
had no Ingram, they had no Kirk. He didn't have
a double digit target game until week thirteen, and then
he was ten plus every week beyond on that. Yeah,
so yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
That's something I'm going to do some digging into this today,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
A question from Tony Romero.
Speaker 1 (43:09):
Thoughts on a Chan Am I the only one worried
he's going a bit high PPR monster with healthy to
a garbo with hurt Tua.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
I'm I'm still willing.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
To take the shot on a chan I think because
I think the ADP has it's okay for me right now,
and I think the the explosiveness of the up side.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
He was the best running back with He was the
best running back with Tua.
Speaker 1 (43:36):
Uh you know, no, no more Raheem must start there
in that backfield as well. I don't know how you
guys feel about Jalen Wright. I'm willing to, like, I
don't know if I'm gonna be like heavily invested in
devon a Chan, But you know, it's worth taking a shot.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
I like taking shots on right, But I don't think
his presence ruins a Chan or anything like that. Like,
I just think my Fami likes to use two backs.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Yeah, I think that's true.
Speaker 1 (44:06):
Derreck Henry says he's going for two thousand rushing yards
this year. That's not really a surprise. What is a
surprise is that I guess if he hits it. He
was promised a role in an Adam Sandler movie. Oh
is he is he gonna is?
Speaker 2 (44:20):
One? Is he gonna go to Marshawn Lynch ro out
of acting? And two?
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Can he be as good as Marshawn Lynch, because Marshawn's
actually a pretty good actor.
Speaker 2 (44:27):
Like, I'm.
Speaker 3 (44:30):
I don't think we've seen enough personality from Derrick Henry
really right, Like, I don't know, no offense is a king.
Speaker 2 (44:37):
I don't think anyone has as much personality as Marshall.
Speaker 1 (44:40):
That's fair, that's fair, That's very fair. Yeah, I mean
Marshawn like and the things I've seen him, man has
been very good.
Speaker 3 (44:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (44:47):
I I the most recent season that I watched of
West World like that he was like the bright spot.
Other than that, I was like this the show stinks
now and I'm out. But like he's done a few
other movies, comedies and stuff. I mean, I think mostly
it's just Marshaun being himself. But yeah, that's good enough.
It's funny.
Speaker 4 (45:06):
I enjoy that he owned was.
Speaker 2 (45:08):
On Bar Rescue actually real hilarious episode it was.
Speaker 3 (45:11):
I watched that episode.
Speaker 2 (45:14):
Did he show up there? Yeah, like his family runs
it okay, and then they make him all emotional like
you're let in Washawn Lynch down.
Speaker 3 (45:21):
Oh god, yeah, get me some foe after this man,
John Staffer.
Speaker 2 (45:28):
I love Bar Rescue. It is a guilty pleasure show
for me.
Speaker 4 (45:31):
It is very fun.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
It is very fun. I also pretty much don't believe that.
I feel like most of those bars don't stay with
what they are long after he leaves.
Speaker 3 (45:40):
Like no, I, me and Sabrina this whole thing where
we will google like for the other side it's still
open or not. Because like there's some episodes you're.
Speaker 2 (45:48):
Like, I hope this family get together, like I hope
this business just lives forever, like this is a great spot,
and then you read like, yeah, it shut down three
weeks later after the remodel, I'm like, yo, what did
you do? And we're little different people. I think because
I Google I do the exact same thing. But I'm like,
I bet you this place closed right away.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
Like wow, sometimes you just know watching an episode, Yeah,
this it's an idiot, It's done.
Speaker 2 (46:16):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (46:16):
By the way, side note on John Taffer. I don't
know if you guys know this fact. He was involved
in the creation of NFL Sunday Ticket. Yes, yes, yeah,
he was on the board of NFL Enterprises. Spent three
years on the board, and he was part of the people,
part of the group that came up with the idea
(46:37):
for NFL Sunday Ticket.
Speaker 2 (46:38):
So yeah, while we're on this tangent, uh, he made
like three episodes of a show called Marriage Rescue. Yes,
I saw that. I'm like, I don't need him coming
in and yelling at me when I already falling apart
during COVID. It is the worst hour you'll watch, but
it is hilarious. I'm like, if my marriage is falling apart,
I don't need John Taffer yelling at me about it. Don't.
(47:00):
If you want a spoiler alert. One episode I watched,
he had to convince the wife to stop cheating on
the husband, like that was their marital problems.
Speaker 3 (47:09):
Well, yeah, yeah, Episode one, let's start with this.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
It is so bad, but it's it's so bad that
it's fundy.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
Everyone in that picture looks like they don't want to
be there, right, And I can't even see the husband's face,
but I can just tell like he just doesn't He's like,
why am I here?
Speaker 4 (47:29):
Why are we doing this? Like, let's just get divorced already.
It's already a wrap.
Speaker 1 (47:35):
So Extraction two, after watching Tyler Rake's his exploits in
the first extraction, he is back for a second.
Speaker 4 (47:44):
So if you had any questions about whether.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Or not he survived the end of Extraction one, well
spoiler alert.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Dead he did. Tyler Rake is unkillable. That is my
takeaway from this.
Speaker 3 (47:56):
He is.
Speaker 1 (47:57):
In this version, he is extracting a woman and her
family from a prison in Georgia, the country, not the state.
This woman happens to also be the sister of Tyler
Rake's ex wife, who is married to a Georgian gangster.
So there are a lot of things that happened in
(48:18):
this movie.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
We can get to it.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
But the one thing is he takes them out through
a prison riot, right it leaves this woman after a
prison riot.
Speaker 2 (48:27):
There were two things of note in that prison riot
that happened. One, Tyler Rake hits multiple people with a
firearm and I don't mean I don't mean he hit
them with a gun. I mean his arm was on
fire and he was punching people with it. The other
is he gets hit in the head with a cinder block.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
I mean hit in the back of the head with
a brick and he gets up there it is there's
the firearm right there, Like this guy gets it twice,
but multiple guys get it with the firearm. The other
party he gets hitting the head with a brick and
he gets it was second, he gets second and seven,
like all right, let's just go back, let's.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Just keep going like like what he is. So I
had two thoughts on that prison One. He splits the
dude's hand by the fingers like he's a predator or something.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
I clearly grabbed my hand and I felt it in
my palm, Like Jesus.
Speaker 2 (49:33):
He just goes like in his whole hand. Also didn't
even hesitate. I don't know if you guys felt this way.
I was like Tyler Rake is if Travis Kelcey was
was an action star, Like I just kept thinking he looked.
Speaker 4 (49:46):
Like Travis Kelcey in that seat, and I could see that.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
I would say his body would not be my favorite part.
He does a Rocky four workout montage and all of
a sudden he's okay nine months after being declared legally dead.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
Well, also he's okay, and he works out mostly by
chopping wood.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
It's just it's splitting logs.
Speaker 2 (50:12):
It's truly Rocky four, right, Like he's in the snow,
just doing snow activities. Everything but chasing a chicken. Gavin
suggests Greg Olsen could be okay, I could see that. Okay,
I still think Kelsey, the fade, the beard, Yeah.
Speaker 4 (50:31):
Yeah, the other party.
Speaker 1 (50:34):
So you texted us halfway through the movie, LaQuan that
you were fed up with the kid.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
The kid you gotta go, like, how how part one
an extraction one. I'm not gonna say what happened to
spoil it, but you've seen what happened to that one kid.
What about Sondro. He was the villain of this entire movie,
by the way, Like everything happened because of him, Like
it was his fault and like as soon as he
gave him attitude at the prison, like shrugging him off,
(51:01):
like don't push me, like, kid, I will crush your
hand in my hand, like let's go.
Speaker 4 (51:06):
Trying to save you, I will leave you here.
Speaker 3 (51:09):
Yes, all your uncle who's trying to kill your mother.
And then you get in the car. You're like, this
is going to kill my mother and the guy goes
he wanted her to called this, what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (51:25):
I hate that kid he was.
Speaker 4 (51:27):
I mean he was a kid who like obviously he
looked up to his dad and his uncle.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
And you know, like it do it. He would never
joined that and he did it.
Speaker 1 (51:40):
Was that was Henry Hill for as far as I
can for as long as I can remember, I always
wanted to be a gangster, Like that's that's who that
kid was. Until he like got a taste of what
it really meant and then he was like, oh yeah,
maybe I don't want this.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Like you know, sometimes when you sometimes the scene, you
got to learn things the hard way.
Speaker 4 (52:00):
That's just how it happens.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
No one, no one has more family unknown long lost
family members that are in dire need than the lead
character of an.
Speaker 4 (52:10):
Action Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2 (52:14):
This is what they do, right, Like you have the
first movie and then they're like, well, this family member
that you never knew exists needs your help now more
than ever.
Speaker 4 (52:23):
Right, Yeah, you go ahead.
Speaker 2 (52:27):
You know what scene was awesome though? Uh the elevator
scene where he put the bomb on the elevator door
open and it explodes and he just walks out the steps.
I actually had like a I was like that part
was really cool, Like, yeah, I like to shoot.
Speaker 3 (52:44):
I like the shots in this movie better than the
first one, honestly, Camrack.
Speaker 1 (52:49):
He also kills far fewer people in this movie. I
think we said that he killed over eighty people in
the first movie. I believe his body counting this one
was less than thirty. I mean, yet, help, yeah, help.
He also just knocked a lot of people out and
didn't necessarily killed them.
Speaker 2 (53:07):
I thought that I liked one better than two. I
thought the story of one was better than two. But two,
to me, to your point, h Q, I thought was
focused more on like the shots and like cool way
of doing actions, whereas one was just like this guy
is in a world of trouble and he's got to
figure his way out. This one was more like We're
gonna do really cool. I also felt like two was
(53:28):
to lead us to three, because there's clearly a year coming. Yeah,
and three looks like it's gonna be really good. But
I felt like two it was like a bridge to
get us to three. Yesterday they came out no trailer. Oh,
like each's alb is gonna be a big part of
(53:50):
this three. It seems so like that that's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 1 (53:53):
Yes, I mean, you don't get it Elba and just
have him do like little cameos at the beginning and
end of a movie, like you're you have a bigger
plan like Thor, like Thor oh when he was Himdall,
that's definitely.
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Yesterday. If it would be a draw.
Speaker 4 (54:11):
Well, I mean they're the same person, so yeah, but.
Speaker 1 (54:17):
No, no, I mean, obviously I know it's the same actor,
but no, it feels like Tyler Rake was set up
and to be Thor right like the first.
Speaker 2 (54:24):
In the first movie we talked about it. He likes underwater.
He just sits at the bottom of the lake like
just chill it out, thinking about life.
Speaker 3 (54:31):
You know what what happens in three he gets the
powers of Thor and then Thor one is Extraction four.
Speaker 2 (54:41):
Shout out to Chris Helmsworth for being like, I'm gonna
play two characters and that's gonna be my career. Like
I know he does other stuff, but he doesn't have to.
Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah yeah no, so yeah, you're right. Extraction three, he
extracts maybe he extracts Loki and they go to Asgard
together and then that's how.
Speaker 2 (54:59):
I mean. I did mention Miami before we started talking
about Extraction to the reason was because like.
Speaker 1 (55:04):
As I was watching the movie, Who's it was it
Yazz the the other guy and got killed? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I just imagine that being Mike McDaniels. I could totally
see him being Mike Mike, from the the bad shirt
to the smart ass comments, that.
Speaker 3 (55:24):
Fire shirt that was a loud shirt that was very much.
Speaker 2 (55:27):
Up your alley.
Speaker 1 (55:28):
I could definitely see you rocking shirt like that, Lakwan.
But I'm like watching them like this dude is totally
Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 4 (55:35):
That's what we are.
Speaker 2 (55:36):
Too smart for his own good.
Speaker 1 (55:38):
Probably going off and doing something that's gonna get him killed.
Like you know, like this year, he's gonna make some
movie that he thinks is super smart. It's gonna get
him fired at the end of the year, Like that's
that's him, you know.
Speaker 2 (55:47):
Yeah. I was thinking of the dude from Brazil and
Fast and the Furious to who's like he doesn't really
do much, but he just always acting cool. Like that's
that's the I got.
Speaker 4 (56:00):
All Right, I can see that.
Speaker 2 (56:02):
I did like the giant guy chasing them. That guy
was massive.
Speaker 3 (56:05):
He was oh oh yeah, he got done foul though.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
Yeah, yeah, of course unit. Yeah. I mean, like the
worst thing to be in an action movie is not
the main villain. It's like the main villains like number
two because you have the worst depth, because you're gonna
get washed. You're gonna get washed in the worst possible way.
So yeah, what's next week's movie? Uh, that's a good question.
Speaker 4 (56:31):
I thought.
Speaker 1 (56:31):
I saw there was a Liam Himsworth movie that showed
up on my on my my timeline there on Netflix.
Speaker 4 (56:39):
Another another action.
Speaker 1 (56:41):
Movie with the with Liam Himsworth, and I'm like, oh,
we could, uh you know, we kind of just keep
it in the family.
Speaker 4 (56:49):
Man Land of Bad, That's what it was.
Speaker 1 (56:53):
It's got it's got Liam Himsworth and Luke Himsworth, so
he's got two of the Hymnsworth brothers. It has Russell
Crowe uh, and it also has just say said, Ricky Whittle.
I thought it was like the former Oregon running back
but apparently no, there's another person named Ricky Whittle.
Speaker 2 (57:09):
Never mind, but it does have both both Msworth brothers
and uh and Russell Crowe. I feel like that's a
worthy realthy nomine unless unless somebody has something better. No.
I know we mentioned on Tuesday, if we don't watch this,
you and Sabrina just need to watch it.
Speaker 4 (57:24):
You just need to watch Shank just to watch it
for sure.
Speaker 3 (57:27):
I'm gonna try to get that done.
Speaker 2 (57:28):
This it's like four hours, so understand, you understand you
gotta be in for a minute, but like it's worthwhile
and if you need to take an intermission, take an internation,
take a break, get some you know, take a walk,
get some snacks, whatever. And there's so many lines from
there that you'll probably be like, oh, that's from this movie.
Speaker 1 (57:44):
Or you or you will have seen the gifts floating around.
You'll be like, oh, okay, yeah, I've seen this.
Speaker 2 (57:49):
See that I love. When that happens, there'll be a
lot of things like oh, I've seen this gift before,
Like I know, I've seen this.
Speaker 3 (57:55):
I want to see the one. I need to still
find the one movie where the one guy he's like
any like looking back.
Speaker 2 (58:02):
Oh, that's that's that's Webaye, from an episode of the Wire.
It's it's from the Wire. I need to watch the
wat finish the Wire. Yeah. Apparently Aman Ross Brown had
knee surgery this offseason.
Speaker 4 (58:15):
Okay, breaking news.
Speaker 1 (58:17):
All right, aarsb ours BA with some knee surgery that
is going to impact the ADP.
Speaker 2 (58:22):
And he's the guy who was going mid to late
first round. We'll see.
Speaker 4 (58:26):
We'll see whether this knocks him out of the.
Speaker 2 (58:27):
First neighbors and pooka over him. That's all there you go,
all right, OURSBA may be dropping to early round two,
perhaps worth worthwhile. All right, we'll be back with you
though next Tuesday.
Speaker 1 (58:40):
A little bit of a note, no cheat sheet next
Thursday we will be scattered to the winds.
Speaker 2 (58:46):
Uh so, just one show for you next week. We'll
keep you updated on the calendar as we move along.
At the meantime, I.
Speaker 4 (58:51):
Appreciate you hanging out.
Speaker 2 (58:52):
Thanks to Gavin Kinsel for putting us together for us
as always, for the kawand Jones, for Michael Floria.
Speaker 1 (58:58):
This is Marcus Grant saying thank you for enjoying the
cheat sheets. They happy, saving healthy, do good and live well.
Enjoy the weekend, everybody. We'll talk to you again next week.
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