June 17, 2025 • 51 mins
Marcas Grant and LaQuan Jones open the show detailing their expectations for the Steelers offense, second year WR Keon Coleman and the crowded running back room in Arizona. (2:46)
Next, the guys share some advice for drafting the running back position and explain which rounds and players fall into the ‘dead zone.’ Which running back rooms are the scariest to draft from and how will journeymen RB’s impact their early-round counterparts? (19:11)
After the break, Marcas and LQ take a look at the ‘dead zone’ for wide receivers. With plenty of value to be found elsewhere, who are their 'stay away' wide receivers at various points of the draft? (33:42)
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
Everybody. It's Tuesday, June seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to
the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We're happy to finally see
the sun again. It's me your man, MG, Marcus Grant,
joined by Lakwan Jones. No, Michael left Florio. He is.
Where is he right now? He's somewhere in like the
Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I thought he was in Canada by now.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I don't think. I don't think he's trying to flee
the country. I think they're just trying to go to Seattle.
He's on vacation. He is driving up the West coast,
starting in Los Angeles. I think the ultimate destination is
in Seattle. Last we heard from him, he was in Portland.
I don't know if he's, you know, being becoming more hipster,
(00:49):
getting extra tattoos and piercing's. I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Becoming a forty nine Ers fan nor cow.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I mean, actually, if he's going that far north, I
mean he's gonna get He's heading deep into Seahawks Country
at that point. I would think that Portland is probably
Seahawk Country, is what I'm guessing.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
You know, an of Cooper Cup Jerseys.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, probably Last way, they're probably they probably growing their
hair out and they're wearing number ten Jersey miserable in
blue and green. They're probably living a pretty happy lie.
I don't even been in Portland's a good town. Uh
so Seattle, so talk. I read the comments. That's just
all I'm putting out there for I read the comments. Okay,
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we are talking dead zones as we are in the
midst of draft season. I'm doing a few I should
check and actually, uh, now that I think about it,
I think I may actually be on the clock in
a drum. I'm not sure to be that guy.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
MG, it's slow.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
It's a slow draft. Like it's a slow draft, and
I just went on the clock Like it's not like
I've been on the clock for hours.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I'm that guy tech in OTC right now.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Oh you're that person. Yes, Oh, don't be that person TC.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Right now, if you ain't pinted in the train, make the.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Pick, don't don't don't be that person that That's a
note for all of you. The scott Fish Bowl is coming.
A lot of these big uh sweat drafts are coming. Yeah,
don't be the person who's just all of a sudden
like oh TC, as soon as like the person goes
on the clock, just because like, honestly, when people do
that to me, that just makes me want to take longer.
That's all right, you know if as soon as it's
(02:33):
my time, you're like, OHTC, I'm like, well, now I'm
gonna just wait a few I'm gonna go have some lunch,
watch a movie. Yeah, I'll come back, enjoyed the day. Yeah,
I'll come back and I'll get to it when I
get to it now, just because you did that. So anyway,
we are talking running back and wide receiver dead zones
and uh yeah, all that kind of stuff about guys
that maybe we like within those dead zone player we're
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avoiding all that kind of stuff there. So before that,
though some news headlines I guess news and rumorrish type
headline I'm in Pittsburgh, Jalen Warren says he has no
doubt that he can shoulder a larger workload. Of course,
the last couple of years he's been splitting that time
with Najie Harris. Nase is gone to Los Angeles to
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join the Chargers and instead it's Caleb Johnson who was
drafted by the Steelers and comes in to take some
work in that backload in that backfield. So LaQuan, who
is the RB one in Pittsburgh right now?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
That may be a question that we will have to
figure out in August, because honestly, looking at this backfield,
like you kind of see the roles already, Like you
see Jalen Warren being the pass blocker, being the guy
that's going to get involved in the passing game. But
then you have Caleb Johnson who might be in that
short yardage, it might be in the red zone, goal
line area. So this seems like a backfield that may
be a headache for you know, a lot of fantasy
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managers this summer. So I wouldn't approach the draft like this.
I would approach the guy that's going to give me
more of the PPR upside, more of a guy that
going to be a little bit cheaper, and I think
that'll be Jalen Warren, that he could be the RB
one that you can attack, you know, if you're looking
to get a piece of this Pittsburgh Steelers backfield. But Marcus,
for me, it's like I love to hear that, you know,
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tomlin Co signed Jalen Warren. They kind of acknowledge his
work that he's had behind the Naji hears, because there
were times where he kind of looked better than Naji
running out.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Of that backfield.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
But you know, Naji still is a guy that can
be the workhorse that can handle most of the touches
and not break down and be durable. So that may
be a role that ends up for Caleb Johnson later
in the season. But I just wouldn't be drafting Jalen
Warren with the high hopes that he'll finish as the
guy is the number one there.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, I mean, I just think both of them are
going to be kind of yeah this year. You know,
I have been on the Jalen Warren train in the
last couple of years, partially for what you said earlier
that in the last couple of years he has had
a better ADP, the draft price has been a little
bit better, and at least the hope was that he
would give you more pp are upside, although I think
in practice when you look at it last year, I
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don't know that that Warren had a huge advantage in
the passing game over Nase Harris. I mean you look
at sort of their target share. Yeah, it was about
even now. Granted, Harris played two more games than Warren did,
but Nagi had forty eight targets thirty six catches, Warren
forty seven targets thirty eight catches, So there wasn't really
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much of an advantage in the passing game.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
This is the statue, Go why Arthur Smith, whyah?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Just right?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Do it the correct way that those fantasy managers like it, like, right,
come on.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
The correct way is the way we want it. That's
the correct way to do it, which is, you know,
give Nag the carries, give Warren the targets, and then
we can all live happily ever after. So simple, you
would think, right. So that does make me worry a
little bit though about what it's going to be like
this year. Right if we're sort of assuming that Caleb Johnson,
I don't know that he fully assumes the Najie Harris role, right,
(06:01):
Like I don't know that that Caleb Johnson comes in
there and he gets two hundred and fifty carries in
year one. Now, But I also am not confident that
it means that Jalen Warren's gonna suddenly get eighty targets, Like,
I just don't exactly know that that happens, So I
don't know. I I the more I talk about the Steelers,
(06:22):
the less I'm inclined to want to draft any Steelers
this year.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
No.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I like I honestly, when I hit these drafts and
like I go through some of these scenarios of like
grabbing like maybe a DK Metcalf, Jalen Warren and Caleb
Johnson and we're talking about I don't feel great about
the pick, Like it's not a sexy pick, it's not
a pick that makes me feel like, yeah, this was
the one. Like I usually make the pick and be
like damn it, When do I pick again to make
(06:48):
up for this mistake? Like That's kind of how I've
just been dealing with these best ball drafts with the Steelers.
So it's like it's gonna be a rough year man,
just trying to figure out what is going on there,
especially with the Voldemore quarterback there that we're not going
to say his name.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
We can say his name now that he's signed. This
is what he wants, this is what he wants. I'm
totally fine not saying his name. That's fine by me.
The people know, everybody knows, we all know Yeah, it's
just I don't know, there's nothing about the Steelers offense
that makes me super excited. I know people are trying to,
you know, sort of put a happy face on the
(07:24):
quarterback situation there. I believe Judy Batista Jus that wrote
an article you can find an NFL dot com about
the stories that you should not freak out over and
a couple that maybe you should pay attention to, and
one of the ones to not freak out over was
the Steelers quarterback situation, pointing out the fact that you know,
that guy uh did play better at the end of
(07:47):
the season. I mean, once the Jets were pretty much
eliminated from playoff contention, they started seeing better quarterback play.
I don't know if that translates. This is a guy
who will trolling you have every bit of fty one
years old for a good chunk of the season, and
now he's a guy who's going to be forty two
late this season. You know, I don't know. I'm just
(08:08):
not excited about about what's gonna happen with no sharers
offense this year. Meanwhile, over in Buffalo, Keon Coleman had
kind of an uninspiring rookie season and in fact, was
pretty pretty tough on himself. When he was asked to
evaluate his rookie year. His quote was, you want to
know exactly what I see when that bleep trash. You
(08:31):
gotta be better, simple as that. You gotta be more
efficient here. You got to get out of this break.
You gotta stack your dB. You gotta give Josh more
room to throw the ball. You gotta catch that. You
gotta make that block. You gotta get that extra effort
on the touchdown block, so if Jimbo breaks it, he's
up the sideline. Just different things like that, calling out
everything that you're doing wrong to make it right. You
(08:52):
do gotta love a guy who is really honest with
his self assessment, right. You gotta love to You love
to see it because it's a guy who cares and
a guy who wants to get better. But now having
heard that quote, la Quan, well your expectations for Keon
Coleman in year two and are you more inclined to
maybe take a swing at him considering you don't really
(09:14):
have to spin up to get Keon Coleman.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
So this is a situation where I love the person
more than the player, Like I feel like I'm going
to be on this hype train for him for the
next couple of years because he's always going to be
out there in the media saying something that just makes
me just love his character so more so. My expectations
for year two is one for him to stay healthy,
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stay healthy, stay on the field, and be able to
show up and show out. That's what I like to
say for some of these guys that take a leap
and like you look at some of the stats man
the nineteen yards per reception is one of those things
that just are eye popping. That shows that he can
have that George Pickens type of stretch to field impact.
He can have that type of ability to put up
(10:01):
some big fantasy points in some big yards. So we're
hoping that, you know, in year two, Josh Allen can
target him more downfield rather than a Josh Palmer or
a Mac Collins or who that was last season. Like
that should be keyon Coleman's role, Like we should start
looking at him more as a mold, as a George Pickens,
rather than trying to make him a Stefan Diggs, trying
to make him, you know, these other type of wide
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receivers where that offense worked. So I think if there's
some self identity here with his role and his character
and his impact on the team, then you know, I'm
gonna constantly keep drafting him because I feel like his
ADP isn't expensive. It's not out there where you're going
to be paying a hefty price for a wide receiver
because he's going as like a wide receiver four or five. Like,
I'm not losing sleep over that. And again, I like
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the person more than the players, so like, I constantly
want to root.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
For this guy.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So the self awareness is definitely something you love to see.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, it's interesting because honestly, we love Josh Allen as
a fantasy quarterback. He gives us so much. Last year
year there wasn't a lot that we liked around Josh Allen.
I mean, Khalis Shakir had a good year, you know.
I think he sort of I think he exceeded expectations.
(11:13):
Although I think you and Florio saw saw the vision
with with the Khalil Shaker last year, but I didn't
imagine that that he was going to give you seventy
six catches eight hundred yards. I just didn't see that
out of out of Khalis Shakir. I don't know if
there's that again. The problem is, let's really think about this.
(11:35):
I mean, it's been a little while since we've seen
Josh Allen support multiple pass catchers. You know, when Stefan
Diggs was there, he was by far the guy. I
mean you had. You had like a year of Gabe Davis,
which caused the fantasy industry to tear itself apart over
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whether or not he was good. So this is why
I just woke up one morning and all of a sudden,
Twitter was arguing about Gabe Davis and I'm like it.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Was on fire, like five am.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I was like googling. I'm like, what did I miss?
Did did suddenly happen? Did he get cut? Did he
get traded? Like? Why are we arguing this so much?
It was confusing. But my point though, there's going to
be a guy in Buffalo that we want. I don't
know that it's going to be Khalil Shakir again this year.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Oh no, you're doing it again, MG.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Come on, I mean, look, I think he was a
nice piece. I don't think I don't think the bills
are anticipating that, you know, like they drafted Coleman for
a reason, right, Like, I think he's a nice piece.
I think we have sort of seen the best of
Khalil Shakir. Why can't it be Kean Coleman if he
really is this self aware and really just committed to
getting better.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
My pushback is the lack of chemistry with Josh Allen.
Josh Allen, I don't think he trusted Breakfast.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
That's fine, the Cooper Cup and Jared Golf. Breakfast does
not always work for everybody.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Else house it works for everybody, right, just like just
like tied end to play basketball are all great, Like
it's just how it's just how it works.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
No, that's not always the formula that works.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
But I look at Kalos Shakir, like we'll get into
later when we get into these dead zones. He's not
the sexy pick, but he falls in that category. When
we used to take Robert Woods off the board, when
we used to take Tyler Lockett off the board, and
these guys were reliable. So like when we look at
the characteristics of Khalis Shaker, he's a reliable wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I mean, look at the catch trait. Oh my god,
it's incredible. The best in the league.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You got to look at a guy that's getting a
hundred targets out of the slot.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, that's where Josh Allen feels the most comfortable.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And he's going to be that comfortable in the slot
because we go back to Cole Beasley when he's getting
one hundred targets per game, I mean one hundred targets
per season. Like it's one of those things that you know,
if it ain't broke, don't fix it. So like Khalishaker,
his ADP is always going to be safe for me.
So if I'm looking for a flex, if I'm looking
for a wide receiver, three, give me close to care.
I know him to get ten points. That's all I
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really need from him.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I mean, considering where you're drafting these guys, it is true,
the expectation isn't really high. I just you know, again,
I think I think it was Shakir last year a
career season for him, the hundred targets before that, he
had a combined sixty five targets his first two seasons,
and he gets one hundred last year. You know, I
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just I wonder whether or not that's his ceiling and
whether or not keyon Coleman. I believe he has a
higher ceiling, so I think there's a chance for him
for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It's just more so if he steps it up. Man,
that's all we're hoping for.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Well. Again, the first step to fixing a problems admitting
you have one. And he committed that last year. He
admitted it last year was a problem, so you know
now he's hopefully moving forward to get better this year.
In Arizona, Trey Benson says that he and James Connor
can coexist. It says, I feel like we can have
two rb ones. Sure, I guess they can. Yeah, And
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this isn't this isn't shade on trade Benson. I am
not sure that Trey Benson is going to get an
equal number of opportunities to James Connor without Connor getting injured.
Do we even want the Cardinals to have two rb ones?
Is there enough offense to go around to have two
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semi workhorse running backs in Arizona?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
And again, like you appreciate Trey Benton saying what he
thinks could happen, but if the coaching staff ain't saying it,
I'm not buying it. Like I understand you want to
keep your name relevant in that backfield. But James kind
of broke the curse. He made a deal with the
devil to have a full season. I don't know what
the repercussions will be, but somehow James Connor played a
full season healthy, and I think you know what led us,
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you know, kind of the Tray Benton hole was that
he's one of the top prospects come out of college.
Last year, he was one of the best, you know,
running back value in these rookie drafts where it was
just like, oh man, Trey Benson is going to be
that guy. Being with the unreliable health of James Connor,
but looking into the second year, there's not enough meat
on the bone for me to be like, I'm excited
about Trey Benson this year. And I think with James
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Connor playing so well, and again you look at his stats,
I mean, he's great on the ground and he's still
a fishing in the passing game as well. So it's
one of those things where like it ain't broke, it
ain't it don't need to be fixed. And with Trey Benson,
you know, you have to wonder like, how is this
going to look with a one A one B situation
with Kyler Murray being mobile as well, you know, there's
gonna be times where he's going to be able to
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pick up those extra yards. He's going to be able
to hand it off or dump it off the James Connor.
This doesn't seem like a role that fits for Trey
Benson to be fancy relevant until we see otherwise.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You know. Oh, especially if you believe what Kyler's saying
about how he wants to run more this year, right,
I mean, yeah, that is what he did. Yeah, he did. No,
he did. He ran more last year than he had
in the past. I mean he's getting you know, he's
a couple of years removed from injury, that sort of thing.
I'll the fact that he hadn't run that much the
last few years was sort of frustrating for fantasy managers
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just because that was part of the reason you drafted him, right,
I mean, he gave us that season a few years
ago where he ran for what eight hundred yards something
like that?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Crazy, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
But he hadn't he hadn't come close to it since then.
I don't expect that he's gonna just you know, run
for eight hundred yards and eleven touchdowns like he did
in twenty twenty. But you know, if he can get
five to six hundred yards, if he can run.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
From us, say five hundred sweet spot, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, I mean five six hundred yards, you get about
four or five rushing touchdowns. We'll take that. We'll absolutely
take that. So there is something about that. I was looking,
by the way, and I'm surprised that the Cardinals actually
ran the ball more than I would have thought. They
ran the ball almost forty five percent of the time.
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They were top twelve in that regard, and I guess
I just never would have thought that off the top
of my head. I would have put them in the
bottom part of the league. In terms of rushing play.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
They were top five of plays as well too. And
it's one of those things of like where was this Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Offense right happen? Like I was, I was here for
the season, Like when did all of this happen? I'm
you know, it's like the whole of the Marvin Harrison
Juniors scoring, you know, all the touchdowns that he did,
Like against Rams, I said, when did when did he
have eight receiving touchdowns? Like I feel like they're forgotten
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those touchdowns are forgotten. Man. So I don't know, but yeah,
I look, I I do respect Trey Benson basically trying
to wish it into existence that he can get this
sort of workload and be in RB one alongside James Connor.
I'm not buying it yet, so we'll see how training
camp goes before we can make any further evaluations. But
to count us both as skeptics about Tradson getting that
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kind of workload science exactly. Speaking of running backs, I
don't know that Tray Benson falls into the running back
dead zone, but we have a whole handful of other
guys who definitely do well. Take a break, come back
and talk about drafting dead zones, running backs and the like.
Stick around for more of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast
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as we are doing drafts, especially if you are doing
best ball drafts. In fact, I just made a pick.
In mind, I decided to not be that guy who'd
you pick. I took Jay on Blue. I mean, it's
really really late in the draft. He's in the dead zone,
right in the dead zone. I just took him. What
(19:33):
round was that? That was the eleventh round I took.
I took On Blue so yeah, I guess that sort
of fits into the I can say, which rounds do
you consider to be the dead zone right now?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Eight through eleven?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
And I say that because there is scenarios and team
bills where I've actually had to look for a RB three,
you know, because I was questionable going with CMC is
my number one running back, and then you follow up
with the Joe Mixon with Nick Chubb there, and then
you go to the RB three spot and now you're
looking at the eighth through the eleventh round. I'm like, oh, geez,
this is not really a good strategy if I have
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question marks at my running back positions in the first
two picks. So it's like, what do I do?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You know, Like there's been a lot of team bills
that I've been doing these last couple of weeks, and
like rounds eight to eleven that's where I just stamped it.
I was like, this is the dead zone.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
It's a wicket out here, like it looks scary, Like
I kind of want to restart.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Can I take a mullig into my pit? Like can
we do that? Like? Can we go back?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I get that, and I think I don't think you're
wrong about sort of that that later round dead zone.
But but let me give you one that's quite a
bit earlier. I want to say, late from round two
until about round five, right, just cause there are guys
there that aren't bad players, but they're ones that we
(20:56):
have questions about, right because, like we've we've talked about
Devon a Chan and what his ceiling can be within
the context of the Miami offense. We look at Jonathan Taylor,
another guy that we have questions about because the offense
in the quarterback situation, like what's going on there? I mean,
I think Bucky Irving is a guy that we're all
sort of in with. You know, Josh Jacobs obviously had
(21:17):
a very good year last year, but you know what
is what's happening with Chase Brown and Cincinnati. You know,
There's Iron Williams, who we have discussed quite a bit
on this show. Bryce Hall another one that we have
major questions about. I mean, I think even James Cook,
Amari and Hampton I think are guys that we look
at and we're like, yeah, we see the vision, but
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there are also obstacles potentially to these guys being super
super productive in fantasy. And so while there's that late
round kind of mid to late round dead zone. I
think there's one sort of earlier too, where there are
a lot of guys that just you know, it's like,
could be great, could be really really frustrating too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
No, I definitely agree, And like in those rounds it
could be scary with some of those names, with Bruce Hall,
Kivrin Williams, Chase Brown just to name a few, but
like I feel really safe with some of the guys
like James Cook and Josh Jacobs is wowly, wowly underrated
right now. I don't understand why he's the RB ten
right now. He is literally ranked as my RB five
(22:20):
because I honestly think that people were just not really
paying attention with the Packers had going on last year
with that run game. I mean, Marshawn Lloyd, you gout,
he didn't really you know, pan out how we thought.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
He couldn't stay at all.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, that too, And it's one of those things where
I don't look at anybody back there taking those touches
away from HM because Josh Jacobs has put a stamp
that he is a workhorse. So in that dead zone,
like it's kind of like, let me just pivot to
some of the guys that I don't have that question with.
I don't have to question about Josh Jacobs who or
James Cook or anybody else like that in that tier.
(22:54):
But you made a great point that that dead zone
could come earlier. But you still have options to pivot,
have options to pivot, you know, to a different position.
If you want to hit quarterback, tight end, wide receiver,
et cetera, then I would do that, right.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Well, that's the thing too, Like with those those running
backs that I mentioned, some of the other guys available
in that range, right, brock Bauers, Lad McConkie are in
that range. If you want to go with a tight
end early, brock Bauers is there. If you want maybe
a second wide receiver, Lad McConkie is there. T Higgins
is hanging around there, right, I mean, Terry McLaurin is
(23:29):
in that group. Devonte Adams is in that group. I mean,
so there are other options you mentioned quarterback. This is
when you're starting to see Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jaden
Daniels showing up sort of in that the latter part
of that range too. When you're talking about rounds four
and five. So yeah, if you don't love the running
backs in that group, there are plenty of places for
(23:50):
you to pivot to to find some help for your roster. Know,
you talked about the guys in rounds like eight through
eleven or so, I wouldn't put down a list of them,
and you can sort of pick out the ones that
catch your eye, either because you really liked them or
maybe because you really don't. But Brian Robinson, Jordan Mason,
who I know you're in on a Jalen Warren who
(24:12):
we just talked about a little bit earlier. I paired
up the giants backfield of Camp Scataboo and Tyrone Tracy.
There's Nagie Harris, Travis etn Zach Sharbone and I had
to throw my dude, Javonte Williams.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And I'm not say you have.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
A problem, you know, like he was sort of the
very end of the cut eye. I went through round ten,
so but he was like the very end of round ten. Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
There with Javance makes the dead zone very dark.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
It kind of does, right, It's like I have a
little bit of a sadness, a little bit of a
tear when I see it at the bottom of the
dead zone there. But but any of those guys that
you have really strong feelings about one way or another, well.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I can go on and on about Jordan Mason. We
already know that that that's my guy that's gonna honestly
just be without a thought of just picking him. But
Zack Sharbon, he is a guy that I.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Feel like still holds some value as a high end
handcuff back there. So like, if I was in a situation,
he had to be my RB three. I feel confident
about it because Kenneth Walker right now is dealing with
a freaking ankle spring injury. And it's not even July yet.
I mean we already hear Marcus like, come on, because
that's like, come.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
On, I was really about to ask. I was gonna
ask the question, and you sort of answered it. I'm like,
is this because you like Zach sharbonnay? Or is it
because you don't like Kenneth Walker? And I feel like
we sort of answered that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
And it's a split thing because Keneth Walker where he's
going to drafts, I forget excuse me, I think it's
like the sixth round you take that pick, you're hoping
that he stays healthy because he can perform. He could
be productive when he's on the field, but it's just
we have yet to see him healthy. It's kind of
like the James Connor story, like I'm not gonna be
hoping for his downfall this year, but I'm not going
to go draft him. I'm not going to sit here
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and put myself in that boat again. But Zach Sharpernay,
in the dead zone, I really feel as though like
you're getting a guy that is just as explosive, if
not more than Kenneth Walker, because you look at his
explosive rate last season, it was higher. When you look
at Zach Charbonay, he can be involved in the passing
game as well as big as he is, He's very efficient.
We saw the six point six yards per carry I
believe coming out of college out of us UCLA, and
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that was just pretty amazing to see that he kept
that same energy as a rookie. So it's like in
that dead zone you get a guy like Zach Sharpna,
you could fade the Brian Robson juniors, you could fade
the Naji Harrises, all these other guys that seem to
be their RB ones. I'd rather take the upside with
Zach Sharbonay when I know that his name may be
called upon and he's going to be able to perform.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah. It's funny because I that first year I was
kind of into sharbona because of that pass catching ability. Right.
He did a lot of that in college. Didn't do
quite as much that first year. We saw a little
bit more of it last year. The only thing I
like about sharbon is that he looked more explosive in
year two. In year one he looked just kind of
like a plotter, and I was sort of disappointed by that,
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but he did sort of step it up. I think
in his second year. You said your way one of
the fade Najie Harris. The more I look at this,
the more i'm I'm not saying I'm in on Naji,
but I just don't think he's gonna go away. No,
you know, And I think the people who are spending
a higher draft pick on Omari and Hampton are gonna
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be frustrated at least through the first half of the season,
maybe longer, just because I don't see a scenario where
Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman just are handing a huge
workload to Hampton in year one. Now, if you want
to talk about year two and beyond, I'm willing to
entertain that conversation. But in year one, I think Naji
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is still gonna be a presence there, and I think
it's gonna be a little bit like what we saw
those last couple of years in Pittsburgh where it was
Najie Harris and Jalen Warren, or sort of like what
we saw with the Chargers several years ago when it
was Melvin Gordon and Austin Eckler, where I just love
both these guys, you know, and there's a chance that
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they're both productive. But I don't I think if you're
drafting Hampton expecting that he is going to sort of
push Naji Harris aside, I think you're gonna be disappointed.
And considering what the ADP is for Harris, I'm willing
to kind of set's a pony up for that as
a guy who's gonna be as the guy's gonna be
like my third running back. I'm fine with doing that.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Well, you know what it is.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
This is probably the first time in history that the
handcuff is being drafted before the actual like RB one,
so It's like one of those things like if you
draft Hampton, you might have to draft Naji just to
have that safe regard because there's going to be a
drop off with Naji.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, you're getting the cheap ADP. But let's say he
only plays seven games as what that ADP describes, and
then he just completely disappears because Hampton is playing so
damn good. So it's like one of those things like
you have to roll the dice. You're rolling the dice
here in this dead zone with Naji Harris, You're getting
a partial Reynolds. So if you need a guy just
to be a guy, to be a zombie on your
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bench eventually, because I can almost guarantee and I hate
talking to absolutes, you know how passionate I get when
I start talking in absolutes. But I just don't see
myself rostering Naji Harris when the Fantasy playoffs come around,
it's going to be Hampton season probably.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
By the time you get to the playoffs. Yes, the
problem is is Hampton going to do enough to get
you to the playoffs? Right? If you're rolling him out there,
can he do enough to get you? Because like that's
the thing you're like, oh, man, the Fantasy playoffs, He's
gonna be great, Yeah, except that, you know, if you
don't make the playoffs, then what Yeah, you know what
I'm saying. He's just sitting there salty watching Omari and
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Hampton go for a buck twenty five and a two
tendies while you're playing in the consolation bracket. Like, that's
just not gonna be fun for you.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
There's a huge risk. There's huge rich on Hampton.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
And I think once people start coming back outside for
the fantasy drafts, I think his ADP will adjust and
it won't go up, it will go down. Like I
think more people will be more aware of like the
camp battle and then the Beat reporters and you know,
they always got to have some type of like burst
about a guy like oh yeah, Nage Harris looks great today.
He caught an amazing end zone catch out at the slot.
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Something like that will be reported and his ADP will
shoot up.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
You know, Yeah, for sure, absolutely one thing that that
we we forgot to mention earlier during the kind of
news headline sort of thing, but maybe one that sort
of fits in this situation in Las Vegas. You know,
obviously we're excited about Ashton Gent and what he's going
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to bring rare he mostered is there. Uh, he's very
much out. He's he's beyond the dead zone. Even he's
kind of going undrafted in a lot of in a
lot of leagues. But you got Pete Carroll saying that
they could use that he almost expects to use multiple
backs and look, he most maybe not a stud anymore
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at this point in his career, but we know he's
a home He's a guy with speed who can break
plays and you've really moved the offense if you need
him to. Does that scare you off of maybe having
to spend a late first round, early second round pick
on Ashton Gents.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I'm okay with the early second round, but it's the
first round pick that kind of bothers me because, like
you're seeing ranked as high as like RB three, RB four,
And I think with Pete Carroll's saying this, we got
to remember, you know, his days with Seattle, Like I know,
we remember the Chris Carson and Rashad Penny won two
punch and you know Rashad Penny just unfortunately couldn't stay
healthy to be part of that one two punch. But
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Pete Carroll actually handed the keys to Chris Carson one
season where he had over three hundred touches, and he
handed the keys to Marshawn Lynch as well that had
well over three hundred touches seasons. So I think Ashton
genty falls in that category where he can handle the
three hundred touches as the workhorse. So I don't look
at this backfield as like one of the things where
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Moster's gonna come in with noticeable touches, Like I think
Moster will come in at time and be explosive, But
I wouldn't be surprised if he has less than one
hundred touches this season, you know, and the rest go
to Gent and whoever else is there to keep you know,
the guy fresh on the sideline. So I think when
we hear these reports this early, I think it's more
so humbling the rookie in a way, just not letting
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the green flag alert. I should say that obviously you're
going to hand the ball to ash and Gent like
sixty times, like that's a given, right, this.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Is like this is like what it was? It was
it last year. We always see this with quarterbacks, right,
where was like you take the quarterback number one or
like the top three, and then the head coach comes
out and is like, well, he's not gonna be the
start and just you know, Mark's gonna hand him the
starting job. He's gonna have to earn it. And we're like,
you're not, You're not really gonna all right, shut up, bro,
you're not. You're not gonna put Jayden Daniels on the
bench for like Taylor Heineke, like, what are we doing?
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You know it? Well, so radio is one of those
or maybe Pete Carroll is telling the truth. I guess
we will find out, you know, when we get into
training camp and we see sort of how this works.
But yeah, suffice to say, there is a guy behind
the guy who's had success beulfore right. It's not like
you know, it's not like most. It is just some
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some guy who's been a journeyman and has never had
any success. He has had some production in this league,
so there's there's certainly a possibility that we could see
him get a decent sized workload. But we will see there.
So all right, after I look at the running back
dead zone, take a break, come back, do the same
thing for wide receivers. This one was interesting because I
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felt like, because the position is so deep, finding a
dead zone maybe a little bit harder. But well, we'll
talk that out a little bit. Stick around. Come back
for more of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So we
talked running back dead zone, might as well flip it
over to wide receivers. Can't really do a quarterback or
tight end dead zone because you know the yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Only tends are a complete dead zone.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I pretty much right. It's it's like the top flipping
five guys, the top four or five guys, and then
everything else is like, yeah, good luck, you know sort
of thing. And the quarterbacks you're only drafting one. There's
usually there's usually enough for every team on your lead
to get a decent starting quarterback. And then you know,
if you're drafting a QB two, then then it's up
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for debate at that point. But yeah, when you're looking
at wide receiver dead zones, where were you finding one?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
So the rounds like ninth to eleven is really where
I've seen like a huge drop off, and like guys
like we see on the board, like Kyle Williams, Marvin Mims,
I mean Jack Besh, like these are guys that you know,
you like, but it's like I can't bring them in
as a wide receiver three or four or have flex
appeal on a week to week basis. You look at
Luther Burden where Ben Johnson's very frustrated with him, like
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he needs to be on the field to get these reps.
I mean Rashid Shahid, He's just coming back from injury,
and like, these names just don't feel.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Like good secure spots here.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
So I feel like it gets really dark once you
hit that ninth round.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I think that's right. I will also, you know, because
me being a little bit contrarian, we'll pick one out
a little bit earlier, and that is sort of late
third through again late fifth, maybe necessarily Technic Millin, Xavier Worthy.
I mean, there's some guys in here, Flowers, yeah, I
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mean DK Metcalf, you know, George Pickens, Jalen Waddle. Again,
guys that the range of outcomes potentially is very wide
with some of these guys, right, and so that that
to me makes it a little bit sketchier. The problem
is that also sort of overlaps with my earlier RB
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dead zone. So I guess, but I guess that's why.
You know what, it's funny because now that as I'm
talking this out loud, it's usually in those rounds that
I'm looking looking tight end. I'm maybe looking quarterback if
I decide to go a little bit earlier, So rounds
three through five.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
So you that that's a good pivot's that's look, the
listeners should be listening because in rounds three through five
it can get scary. It can get scary looking for
a wide receiver two or running back one or two.
And like those rounds, I am looking for a tight end.
I am looking for a quarterback this year. You couldn't wait.
You could wait, but you could take some real nasty
work there. And that's the rounds three through five.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, I mean it really could. So, I mean it's
something that's gotta be prepared. And the caveat to all
of this, too is a lot of it depends on
the draft room and the draft board, because yeah, if
everybody in your league is you know, look, let's just
be honest, right in home leagues, there are gonna be
some leagues where quarterbacks come off the board early, right,
So that means that in those rounds three through five,
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the running back and wide receiver situation is gonna look
a little bit different. There are some rooms where there's
gonna be it's gonna be heavy on running backs, and
so you know, rounds three through five you'll still have
a lot of good wide receivers, or maybe it goes
the other way. So some of it is gonna be
dependent on how the rest of the draft goes. But
if you're just basing it kind of on current ADPs,
I'm that's where things get a little bit sketchy for sure.
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You know, looking at around nine through eleven with wide receivers,
I put a lot of names on this list. I'll
just blow through them and you can kind of do
what we did before, pick the ones that that you
have a strong reaction to. But Jaydan Higgins, Coleman, Coleman,
who we talked about earlier, Trey Harris, Luthor Burden, Rashid Shaheed,
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Rashot Bateman, Kyle Williams, the Ubiquitous Marvin Mims, Christian Kirk,
Jack Besh, Hollywood Brown, any of those, I guess Jayden
Higgins is the one that jumps out at as a
guy that you have a reaction for.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, Jayden Higgins Trey Harris.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I mean, those are the two guys right there where
I think, like you take those shots. These are the
guys I'm willing to bring into my wide receiver three.
They could play a flex and you know, week to week,
you know you'll just have to play by ear. But
I think these guys are having really good mini camps
and when they go into training camp, we're gonna keep
here more and more buzz. So I expect these two
guys to come out of the dead zone where their
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ADPs are gonna rise a little bit. Because when you
look at Trey Harris, he's the prototype X for the Chargers.
I understand people are all in on Lad because of
his football IQ, his ability have to catch. He had
an amazing season last year, but justin Herbert had no
help outside of him. So when you're looking at Trey
Harris coming in as this guy that nobody really knows about,
but he is lighting it up at camp, boy, I'm
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willing to take a shot on him as my wide
receiver three who could potentially compete for Lad for these targets.
Jayden Higgins is out there doing one hand catches like
he is prime teo Jerry Rice out there with CJ.
Strout along the sideline, Like I got to share that
video with you, Marcus, because that that that just really
just made me excited. Like I almost dropped the popcorn.
You know, I was watching Stitch, you know, at you know,
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Father Day, I was watching Lelon Stitch and I was
on my phone to scroll on Twitter a little bit
because the movie hit a little dead spot.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
But a great movie by the way.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
But you know I saw that Cliff and I was like, yo,
and you know, everybody's like bro with this guy.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
He's really he's really into Stitch right now. I mean, yeah,
I'm not sure how I feel about Trey Harris necessarily.
I mean, you know, we had the conversation was last
week about the Chargers saying that, you know, the wide
receiver room is night and day from what it was
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year the year before, to which I was kind of like, really,
but I think I do think there is opportunity there.
You know, we know Lad McConkie's going to get a
lot of targets. But yeah, and Mike Williams obviously has
a rapport with Justin Herbert with them having been teammates previously.
But we also sort of know what Mike Williams ceiling
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is at this point. But there's nobody else really there
that I think can can suck up a lot of targets.
But for a lot of the same reasons you are
in on Trey Harris, I'm starting to buy in on
Kyle Williams in New England. You know, we've talked a
lot about Drake May of you know, Floria, who's not here,
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is the biggest Drake may stand among us. But I
see the vision like I understand what the Patriots see
in Drake May. And again, this is a wide receiver
room where there aren't a lot of solidified roles, Like, yeah,
they brought in Stefan Diggs and the expectation is that
he's going to be the wide receiver one, that he's
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going to lead this team int targets. But there aren't
a lot of other guys that you feel confident can
just command a large target share. The Mario Douglas had
a nice year last year, yea, yeah, But I also
think some of it was just that the Patriots wide
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receivers were so bad somebody sort of had to take reliable. Yeah,
you know, somebody had to take the lead there and
so Douglas kind of filled that role in a lot
of ways. But I mean, who else Mac Hollins, Uh,
Kayshawn Boody, Kendrick Bourne, you know, just give me Hunter
Henry Henry and like Vonne Baker and Jalen Polk were
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huge disappointments last year. So there really is an opportunity
for Kyle Williams. And you know, without getting too hyped
up on mini camp reports, there were a lot of
really good mini camp reports about Williams.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
You know, I need to see it though, I need
to see the video and get me all excited.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
There was a Lord, I can read it. It's great.
There's a lot of excitement about it. So you know,
maybe that there's something there. And again with it being
so late in drafts, spinning a double digit round pick
potentially on Kyle Williams uh and seeing if he can
blossom into a guy that earns a lot of targets
from Drake May, I'm willing to take that chance on
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him later.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, you know, Florio he mentioned something on the last
pot and Hollywood Brown's there in that dead zone as well,
and I've.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Actually he tested this theory.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
If he becomes like an automatic smash there as a
wide receiver three or four or even at five at
this point.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
And I think I.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Agree because you do see his ADP discount because of
the injury, but then you remember who's throwing him the ball.
Then it's like, Okay, I could see why I'm willing
to roll this dice and why I'm willing to have
a Hollywood Brown come aboard because maybe there is still
something there in the tank, you know, maybe there is
something there where he could provide for this offense to
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be a reliable target out of Rashid Rice, who's returning
back from a major injury as well. So I do
think that, you know, Hollywood Brown in that dead zone,
he could be an interesting pick as well that I
might be in on.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, I mean, I just Chiefs receivers. I'm not sure
what to do with, you know, I think Rashid Rice
is definitely worth a draft pick. Curious sort of the
evolution Xavier worthy of you know, Hollywood I'm not out on,
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but I'm also not super excited about. I'm just sort
of just sort of there. For me.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
I feel like the Chiefs, the Chiefs wide receiver room
is like a split between a retirement home and then
like a youth.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Camp or something, because it just does not ever pan
out to be what it needs to be. You know.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
It's like it's like it's like the Big Brothers program
of America, right, It's like you have you have your
your older wide receivers in the mentory. You're a wide receiver,
and everybody sort of lives happily ever after. I'm out
on rash but I think it's out on I'm out
on the Saints generally, But I I do wonder if
we're gonna regret that decision, if Tyler Shook is gonna
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just shock, is going to stand back there and just
throw yolo balls potentially, which would help she Heed. I
know how you feel about Chris o'lave. I know you're
you were out on Chris o'lave in the best of times,
So I can't imagine, can't imagine your I.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Was ahead of that train. But can you I'm completely out.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Can you? Can you see a strand of the old
verse where Rashid Shaheed is productive this year?
Speaker 3 (44:03):
I think what we saw last year was kind of
like the ceiling. He'll have his moments. I can't rely
on him every single week because that deep ball cannot
just be the mash button that you put every time
you want to hit the special move. And like, I
don't know anything about Tyler Schuck to be, you know,
a Saints quarterback that could stand up and throw back
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there the long ball to him consistently, because again, he's
returning back from injury. He might not have that Saint
pep in his step. So I'll wait a season. I
think Rashid shahe's going to be here for another couple
of years in the league, but I'll wait a season
to see if he can step pepen and step back.
But heavens know, you know, And like there's a guy
that's going around his ADP as well, then I'm honestly
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out on as well. And that's Marvin Mims. He played
twenty seven percent of the snaps. And you know how
the fancy streets work.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
MG.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
When I start seeing Marvin Mims getting the buzz now,
getting all the love, I tend to fade because it's like, Okay,
you guys are doing the bad thing. Now You're you're
talking too much about him that his ADP is going
to rise. He's in that dead zone going as a
wide receiver three for some teams, and he played twenty
seven percent of the snaps.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
That's the fewest on the team.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
No, I cannot do that.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
I'm laughing about this because you are like our unofficial
Sean Payton interpreter, right, and so like when Sean Payton
is like odric estimate is going to get more touches,
You're like.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Nah, he's a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
You know. It's like it's R. J. Harvey, Nah and now,
well not now, but you know, Sean Payton's been like,
we're gonna get Marvin Mims more involved, and you're like, nah.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
You kind of have to just speak the language. And
you know, you know what Sean Payton's doing, man, because
you just the numbers do not support what he's saying,
you know what I mean. Like, even with all your estimate,
he technically told the truth. He did get more touches.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
But he just appeared two games later, Like that's that's
the truth about Sean Bayton, you know. But it's one
of those things where I want Marvin Mims to stay cheap.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I want people to fade him. Like it's the same
thing with Greg Dorts. You know, I don't want no
buzz around Greg Dortch unless it's coming from me.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
So you want so you're not opposed to Marvin Mims.
You're just opposed to Marvin Mims at ADP.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Yes, at ADP is disgusting because it's one of those
things like you guys are late, don't do that. Stop
leave and where he's at. Let him be my wide
receiver five or six or go undrafted and I pick
him up the week that I need him.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
I do feel like here's the thing he was. Probably
he's gonna get pushed up, and he's gonna get drafted
in a lot of leagues with like you know, the
Sharps and the degenerates and the people like us. I
do think, though, the ADP will come down only because
and this is my thinking here, it's mid June and
people are talking him up now and that ADP is rising.
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But what's gonna happen is peoplere gonna pivot off of
him because we're gonna get tired of talking about Marvin
Mems and we'll start talking about some other wide receivers. Right,
so like it could be that it could be and
not even just in Denver, but right, but like the
Kyle Williams hype is probably going to hit at some point.
You know, maybe there's like there's Rashad Bateman hype. I
don't know. I'm just you know, I'm just throwing things
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out of here, and there's Trey Harris hype, and those
guys are gonna move up, and that might push MEMS
down around or two just because of that. So I
think I think he's gonna be inflated for a short term.
I'm I think that number comes down.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
There's one more wide receiver that lives in the dead
zone as well that I think it's completely incorrect, and
that's Jalen McMillan. Like he's going as like wide receiver
sixty four, Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Why?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
I just think it's the number of players there. I
just I think that's all it is. I think it's
just the number of guys in Tampa Bay. When you
have to factor in, you know, Mike Evans and Chris
god And are going to get their targets. Then they
go and they draft a Mecca Abuka. Right, they still
have to figure out how to integrate Bucky Irving for
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Shot White. They're still going to get some targets to well,
I mean a few, I guess occasionally to the tied
end position. I just think that right now McMillan's the
guy with the least buzz. You know, Evans and Evans
and Godwin will always have buzz. Abuka is the new
guy there, and so there's some excitement around him. McMillan
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is just he's number four on the excitement totem pole
in Tampa Bay, and so that's I think has a
lot to do with.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
That finish the season so strong, that's so disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
I do like Jaylen McMillan. I think he's good. I
just I think there's, yes, there's a log jam right
now in Tampa and I think that's sort of the
problem is trying to figure out how to navigate that
log jam and trying to see who gets those targets there.
But you know, I think there's still something there with McMillan.
And again, knock on wood, you know, I wish you
for injuries, but if somebody does it's not hurt, then
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that opens up a huge opportunity for Jalen McMillan. So
I don't know, I think that's what that is for sure.
All Right, that's it that's a little bit of the
dead zone. I'm sure we can sort of revisit this. Yeah,
when Florio's back, which he'll be back next week. I'll
be gone next week. Uh, so you know we'll have
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to wait a couple of weeks to do all this stuff. There,
we're cheat sheating on Thursday, right, I have no idea
what to talk about because we're gonna we'll hold the
movie so Florio gets back. Also, I haven't watched it yet,
but I forgot Actually, well watch it again, Yeah, to
look it up. It's that one with with the other
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guy to Lose. It's the Luke Himsworth movie. Yeah, it's
a Netflix action movie. I'm like sitting here trying to
Land of Bad. That's what Land of Bad? Wow?
Speaker 2 (49:58):
No, I haven't seen that one.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, me neither.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
So keep it in the family.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
We'll experience it together. So moving back on Thursday, I
don't know we'll talk about that movie, but we will
talk about some things on the Chee Chee. We're always
up for your questions too as well, if you want
to hop in the chat and talk about those sorts
of things. So shout out to Gavin Kensel for editing
this thing. And making it sound smooth. I appreciate you
after making you have to do extra work for the show,
so I'm doing for this edition of the NFL Fantasy
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Football Podcast, the Happy, Safe and Healthy, do good and
live well. Enjoy the week, everybody. We will talk to
you again on Thursday.
Everybody. It's Tuesday, June seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to
the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. We're happy to finally see
the sun again. It's me your man, MG, Marcus Grant,
joined by Lakwan Jones. No, Michael left Florio. He is.
Where is he right now? He's somewhere in like the
Pacific Northwest.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
I thought he was in Canada by now.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
I don't think. I don't think he's trying to flee
the country. I think they're just trying to go to Seattle.
He's on vacation. He is driving up the West coast,
starting in Los Angeles. I think the ultimate destination is
in Seattle. Last we heard from him, he was in Portland.
I don't know if he's, you know, being becoming more hipster,
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getting extra tattoos and piercing's. I have no idea.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Becoming a forty nine Ers fan nor cow.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I mean, actually, if he's going that far north, I
mean he's gonna get He's heading deep into Seahawks Country
at that point. I would think that Portland is probably
Seahawk Country, is what I'm guessing.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
You know, an of Cooper Cup Jerseys.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Yeah, probably Last way, they're probably they probably growing their
hair out and they're wearing number ten Jersey miserable in
blue and green. They're probably living a pretty happy lie.
I don't even been in Portland's a good town. Uh
so Seattle, so talk. I read the comments. That's just
all I'm putting out there for I read the comments. Okay,
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we are talking dead zones as we are in the
midst of draft season. I'm doing a few I should
check and actually, uh, now that I think about it,
I think I may actually be on the clock in
a drum. I'm not sure to be that guy.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
MG, it's slow.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
It's a slow draft. Like it's a slow draft, and
I just went on the clock Like it's not like
I've been on the clock for hours.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
I'm that guy tech in OTC right now.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Oh you're that person. Yes, Oh, don't be that person TC.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Right now, if you ain't pinted in the train, make the.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Pick, don't don't don't be that person that That's a
note for all of you. The scott Fish Bowl is coming.
A lot of these big uh sweat drafts are coming. Yeah,
don't be the person who's just all of a sudden
like oh TC, as soon as like the person goes
on the clock, just because like, honestly, when people do
that to me, that just makes me want to take longer.
That's all right, you know if as soon as it's
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my time, you're like, OHTC, I'm like, well, now I'm
gonna just wait a few I'm gonna go have some lunch,
watch a movie. Yeah, I'll come back, enjoyed the day. Yeah,
I'll come back and I'll get to it when I
get to it now, just because you did that. So anyway,
we are talking running back and wide receiver dead zones
and uh yeah, all that kind of stuff about guys
that maybe we like within those dead zone player we're
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avoiding all that kind of stuff there. So before that,
though some news headlines I guess news and rumorrish type
headline I'm in Pittsburgh, Jalen Warren says he has no
doubt that he can shoulder a larger workload. Of course,
the last couple of years he's been splitting that time
with Najie Harris. Nase is gone to Los Angeles to
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join the Chargers and instead it's Caleb Johnson who was
drafted by the Steelers and comes in to take some
work in that backload in that backfield. So LaQuan, who
is the RB one in Pittsburgh right now?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
That may be a question that we will have to
figure out in August, because honestly, looking at this backfield,
like you kind of see the roles already, Like you
see Jalen Warren being the pass blocker, being the guy
that's going to get involved in the passing game. But
then you have Caleb Johnson who might be in that
short yardage, it might be in the red zone, goal
line area. So this seems like a backfield that may
be a headache for you know, a lot of fantasy
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managers this summer. So I wouldn't approach the draft like this.
I would approach the guy that's going to give me
more of the PPR upside, more of a guy that
going to be a little bit cheaper, and I think
that'll be Jalen Warren, that he could be the RB
one that you can attack, you know, if you're looking
to get a piece of this Pittsburgh Steelers backfield. But Marcus,
for me, it's like I love to hear that, you know,
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tomlin Co signed Jalen Warren. They kind of acknowledge his
work that he's had behind the Naji hears, because there
were times where he kind of looked better than Naji
running out.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Of that backfield.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
But you know, Naji still is a guy that can
be the workhorse that can handle most of the touches
and not break down and be durable. So that may
be a role that ends up for Caleb Johnson later
in the season. But I just wouldn't be drafting Jalen
Warren with the high hopes that he'll finish as the
guy is the number one there.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
Yeah, I mean, I just think both of them are
going to be kind of yeah this year. You know,
I have been on the Jalen Warren train in the
last couple of years, partially for what you said earlier
that in the last couple of years he has had
a better ADP, the draft price has been a little
bit better, and at least the hope was that he
would give you more pp are upside, although I think
in practice when you look at it last year, I
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don't know that that Warren had a huge advantage in
the passing game over Nase Harris. I mean you look
at sort of their target share. Yeah, it was about
even now. Granted, Harris played two more games than Warren did,
but Nagi had forty eight targets thirty six catches, Warren
forty seven targets thirty eight catches, So there wasn't really
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much of an advantage in the passing game.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
This is the statue, Go why Arthur Smith, whyah?
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Just right?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Do it the correct way that those fantasy managers like it, like, right,
come on.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
The correct way is the way we want it. That's
the correct way to do it, which is, you know,
give Nag the carries, give Warren the targets, and then
we can all live happily ever after. So simple, you
would think, right. So that does make me worry a
little bit though about what it's going to be like
this year. Right if we're sort of assuming that Caleb Johnson,
I don't know that he fully assumes the Najie Harris role, right,
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Like I don't know that that Caleb Johnson comes in
there and he gets two hundred and fifty carries in
year one. Now, But I also am not confident that
it means that Jalen Warren's gonna suddenly get eighty targets, Like,
I just don't exactly know that that happens, So I
don't know. I I the more I talk about the Steelers,
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the less I'm inclined to want to draft any Steelers
this year.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
No.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
I like I honestly, when I hit these drafts and
like I go through some of these scenarios of like
grabbing like maybe a DK Metcalf, Jalen Warren and Caleb
Johnson and we're talking about I don't feel great about
the pick, Like it's not a sexy pick, it's not
a pick that makes me feel like, yeah, this was
the one. Like I usually make the pick and be
like damn it, When do I pick again to make
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up for this mistake? Like That's kind of how I've
just been dealing with these best ball drafts with the Steelers.
So it's like it's gonna be a rough year man,
just trying to figure out what is going on there,
especially with the Voldemore quarterback there that we're not going
to say his name.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
We can say his name now that he's signed. This
is what he wants, this is what he wants. I'm
totally fine not saying his name. That's fine by me.
The people know, everybody knows, we all know Yeah, it's
just I don't know, there's nothing about the Steelers offense
that makes me super excited. I know people are trying to,
you know, sort of put a happy face on the
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quarterback situation there. I believe Judy Batista Jus that wrote
an article you can find an NFL dot com about
the stories that you should not freak out over and
a couple that maybe you should pay attention to, and
one of the ones to not freak out over was
the Steelers quarterback situation, pointing out the fact that you know,
that guy uh did play better at the end of
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the season. I mean, once the Jets were pretty much
eliminated from playoff contention, they started seeing better quarterback play.
I don't know if that translates. This is a guy
who will trolling you have every bit of fty one
years old for a good chunk of the season, and
now he's a guy who's going to be forty two
late this season. You know, I don't know. I'm just
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not excited about about what's gonna happen with no sharers
offense this year. Meanwhile, over in Buffalo, Keon Coleman had
kind of an uninspiring rookie season and in fact, was
pretty pretty tough on himself. When he was asked to
evaluate his rookie year. His quote was, you want to
know exactly what I see when that bleep trash. You
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gotta be better, simple as that. You gotta be more
efficient here. You got to get out of this break.
You gotta stack your dB. You gotta give Josh more
room to throw the ball. You gotta catch that. You
gotta make that block. You gotta get that extra effort
on the touchdown block, so if Jimbo breaks it, he's
up the sideline. Just different things like that, calling out
everything that you're doing wrong to make it right. You
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do gotta love a guy who is really honest with
his self assessment, right. You gotta love to You love
to see it because it's a guy who cares and
a guy who wants to get better. But now having
heard that quote, la Quan, well your expectations for Keon
Coleman in year two and are you more inclined to
maybe take a swing at him considering you don't really
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have to spin up to get Keon Coleman.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
So this is a situation where I love the person
more than the player, Like I feel like I'm going
to be on this hype train for him for the
next couple of years because he's always going to be
out there in the media saying something that just makes
me just love his character so more so. My expectations
for year two is one for him to stay healthy,
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stay healthy, stay on the field, and be able to
show up and show out. That's what I like to
say for some of these guys that take a leap
and like you look at some of the stats man
the nineteen yards per reception is one of those things
that just are eye popping. That shows that he can
have that George Pickens type of stretch to field impact.
He can have that type of ability to put up
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some big fantasy points in some big yards. So we're
hoping that, you know, in year two, Josh Allen can
target him more downfield rather than a Josh Palmer or
a Mac Collins or who that was last season. Like
that should be keyon Coleman's role, Like we should start
looking at him more as a mold, as a George Pickens,
rather than trying to make him a Stefan Diggs, trying
to make him, you know, these other type of wide
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receivers where that offense worked. So I think if there's
some self identity here with his role and his character
and his impact on the team, then you know, I'm
gonna constantly keep drafting him because I feel like his
ADP isn't expensive. It's not out there where you're going
to be paying a hefty price for a wide receiver
because he's going as like a wide receiver four or five. Like,
I'm not losing sleep over that. And again, I like
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the person more than the players, so like, I constantly
want to root.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
For this guy.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
So the self awareness is definitely something you love to see.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, it's interesting because honestly, we love Josh Allen as
a fantasy quarterback. He gives us so much. Last year
year there wasn't a lot that we liked around Josh Allen.
I mean, Khalis Shakir had a good year, you know.
I think he sort of I think he exceeded expectations.
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Although I think you and Florio saw saw the vision
with with the Khalil Shaker last year, but I didn't
imagine that that he was going to give you seventy
six catches eight hundred yards. I just didn't see that
out of out of Khalis Shakir. I don't know if
there's that again. The problem is, let's really think about this.
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I mean, it's been a little while since we've seen
Josh Allen support multiple pass catchers. You know, when Stefan
Diggs was there, he was by far the guy. I
mean you had. You had like a year of Gabe Davis,
which caused the fantasy industry to tear itself apart over
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whether or not he was good. So this is why
I just woke up one morning and all of a sudden,
Twitter was arguing about Gabe Davis and I'm like it.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Was on fire, like five am.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I was like googling. I'm like, what did I miss?
Did did suddenly happen? Did he get cut? Did he
get traded? Like? Why are we arguing this so much?
It was confusing. But my point though, there's going to
be a guy in Buffalo that we want. I don't
know that it's going to be Khalil Shakir again this year.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Oh no, you're doing it again, MG.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Come on, I mean, look, I think he was a
nice piece. I don't think I don't think the bills
are anticipating that, you know, like they drafted Coleman for
a reason, right, Like, I think he's a nice piece.
I think we have sort of seen the best of
Khalil Shakir. Why can't it be Kean Coleman if he
really is this self aware and really just committed to
getting better.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
My pushback is the lack of chemistry with Josh Allen.
Josh Allen, I don't think he trusted Breakfast.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
That's fine, the Cooper Cup and Jared Golf. Breakfast does
not always work for everybody.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Else house it works for everybody, right, just like just
like tied end to play basketball are all great, Like
it's just how it's just how it works.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
No, that's not always the formula that works.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
But I look at Kalos Shakir, like we'll get into
later when we get into these dead zones. He's not
the sexy pick, but he falls in that category. When
we used to take Robert Woods off the board, when
we used to take Tyler Lockett off the board, and
these guys were reliable. So like when we look at
the characteristics of Khalis Shaker, he's a reliable wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
I mean, look at the catch trait. Oh my god,
it's incredible. The best in the league.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
You got to look at a guy that's getting a
hundred targets out of the slot.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah, that's where Josh Allen feels the most comfortable.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
And he's going to be that comfortable in the slot
because we go back to Cole Beasley when he's getting
one hundred targets per game, I mean one hundred targets
per season. Like it's one of those things that you know,
if it ain't broke, don't fix it. So like Khalishaker,
his ADP is always going to be safe for me.
So if I'm looking for a flex, if I'm looking
for a wide receiver, three, give me close to care.
I know him to get ten points. That's all I
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really need from him.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
I mean, considering where you're drafting these guys, it is true,
the expectation isn't really high. I just you know, again,
I think I think it was Shakir last year a
career season for him, the hundred targets before that, he
had a combined sixty five targets his first two seasons,
and he gets one hundred last year. You know, I
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just I wonder whether or not that's his ceiling and
whether or not keyon Coleman. I believe he has a
higher ceiling, so I think there's a chance for him
for sure.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
It's just more so if he steps it up. Man,
that's all we're hoping for.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
Well. Again, the first step to fixing a problems admitting
you have one. And he committed that last year. He
admitted it last year was a problem, so you know
now he's hopefully moving forward to get better this year.
In Arizona, Trey Benson says that he and James Connor
can coexist. It says, I feel like we can have
two rb ones. Sure, I guess they can. Yeah, And
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this isn't this isn't shade on trade Benson. I am
not sure that Trey Benson is going to get an
equal number of opportunities to James Connor without Connor getting injured.
Do we even want the Cardinals to have two rb ones?
Is there enough offense to go around to have two
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semi workhorse running backs in Arizona?
Speaker 2 (15:29):
No?
Speaker 3 (15:29):
And again, like you appreciate Trey Benton saying what he
thinks could happen, but if the coaching staff ain't saying it,
I'm not buying it. Like I understand you want to
keep your name relevant in that backfield. But James kind
of broke the curse. He made a deal with the
devil to have a full season. I don't know what
the repercussions will be, but somehow James Connor played a
full season healthy, and I think you know what led us,
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you know, kind of the Tray Benton hole was that
he's one of the top prospects come out of college.
Last year, he was one of the best, you know,
running back value in these rookie drafts where it was
just like, oh man, Trey Benson is going to be
that guy. Being with the unreliable health of James Connor,
but looking into the second year, there's not enough meat
on the bone for me to be like, I'm excited
about Trey Benson this year. And I think with James
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Connor playing so well, and again you look at his stats,
I mean, he's great on the ground and he's still
a fishing in the passing game as well. So it's
one of those things where like it ain't broke, it
ain't it don't need to be fixed. And with Trey Benson,
you know, you have to wonder like, how is this
going to look with a one A one B situation
with Kyler Murray being mobile as well, you know, there's
gonna be times where he's going to be able to
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pick up those extra yards. He's going to be able
to hand it off or dump it off the James Connor.
This doesn't seem like a role that fits for Trey
Benson to be fancy relevant until we see otherwise.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You know. Oh, especially if you believe what Kyler's saying
about how he wants to run more this year, right,
I mean, yeah, that is what he did. Yeah, he did. No,
he did. He ran more last year than he had
in the past. I mean he's getting you know, he's
a couple of years removed from injury, that sort of thing.
I'll the fact that he hadn't run that much the
last few years was sort of frustrating for fantasy managers
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just because that was part of the reason you drafted him, right,
I mean, he gave us that season a few years
ago where he ran for what eight hundred yards something
like that?
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Crazy, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
But he hadn't he hadn't come close to it since then.
I don't expect that he's gonna just you know, run
for eight hundred yards and eleven touchdowns like he did
in twenty twenty. But you know, if he can get
five to six hundred yards, if he can run.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
From us, say five hundred sweet spot, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, I mean five six hundred yards, you get about
four or five rushing touchdowns. We'll take that. We'll absolutely
take that. So there is something about that. I was looking,
by the way, and I'm surprised that the Cardinals actually
ran the ball more than I would have thought. They
ran the ball almost forty five percent of the time.
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They were top twelve in that regard, and I guess
I just never would have thought that off the top
of my head. I would have put them in the
bottom part of the league. In terms of rushing play.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
They were top five of plays as well too. And
it's one of those things of like where was this Cardinals.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
Offense right happen? Like I was, I was here for
the season, Like when did all of this happen? I'm
you know, it's like the whole of the Marvin Harrison
Juniors scoring, you know, all the touchdowns that he did,
Like against Rams, I said, when did when did he
have eight receiving touchdowns? Like I feel like they're forgotten
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those touchdowns are forgotten. Man. So I don't know, but yeah,
I look, I I do respect Trey Benson basically trying
to wish it into existence that he can get this
sort of workload and be in RB one alongside James Connor.
I'm not buying it yet, so we'll see how training
camp goes before we can make any further evaluations. But
to count us both as skeptics about Tradson getting that
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kind of workload science exactly. Speaking of running backs, I
don't know that Tray Benson falls into the running back
dead zone, but we have a whole handful of other
guys who definitely do well. Take a break, come back
and talk about drafting dead zones, running backs and the like.
Stick around for more of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast
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as we are doing drafts, especially if you are doing
best ball drafts. In fact, I just made a pick.
In mind, I decided to not be that guy who'd
you pick. I took Jay on Blue. I mean, it's
really really late in the draft. He's in the dead zone,
right in the dead zone. I just took him. What
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round was that? That was the eleventh round I took.
I took On Blue so yeah, I guess that sort
of fits into the I can say, which rounds do
you consider to be the dead zone right now?
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Eight through eleven?
Speaker 3 (19:49):
And I say that because there is scenarios and team
bills where I've actually had to look for a RB three,
you know, because I was questionable going with CMC is
my number one running back, and then you follow up
with the Joe Mixon with Nick Chubb there, and then
you go to the RB three spot and now you're
looking at the eighth through the eleventh round. I'm like, oh, geez,
this is not really a good strategy if I have
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question marks at my running back positions in the first
two picks. So it's like, what do I do?
Speaker 2 (20:17):
You know, Like there's been a lot of team bills
that I've been doing these last couple of weeks, and
like rounds eight to eleven that's where I just stamped it.
I was like, this is the dead zone.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
It's a wicket out here, like it looks scary, Like
I kind of want to restart.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Can I take a mullig into my pit? Like can
we do that? Like? Can we go back?
Speaker 1 (20:35):
I get that, and I think I don't think you're
wrong about sort of that that later round dead zone.
But but let me give you one that's quite a
bit earlier. I want to say, late from round two
until about round five, right, just cause there are guys
there that aren't bad players, but they're ones that we
(20:56):
have questions about, right because, like we've we've talked about
Devon a Chan and what his ceiling can be within
the context of the Miami offense. We look at Jonathan Taylor,
another guy that we have questions about because the offense
in the quarterback situation, like what's going on there? I mean,
I think Bucky Irving is a guy that we're all
sort of in with. You know, Josh Jacobs obviously had
(21:17):
a very good year last year, but you know what
is what's happening with Chase Brown and Cincinnati. You know,
There's Iron Williams, who we have discussed quite a bit
on this show. Bryce Hall another one that we have
major questions about. I mean, I think even James Cook,
Amari and Hampton I think are guys that we look
at and we're like, yeah, we see the vision, but
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there are also obstacles potentially to these guys being super
super productive in fantasy. And so while there's that late
round kind of mid to late round dead zone. I
think there's one sort of earlier too, where there are
a lot of guys that just you know, it's like,
could be great, could be really really frustrating too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
No, I definitely agree, And like in those rounds it
could be scary with some of those names, with Bruce Hall,
Kivrin Williams, Chase Brown just to name a few, but
like I feel really safe with some of the guys
like James Cook and Josh Jacobs is wowly, wowly underrated
right now. I don't understand why he's the RB ten
right now. He is literally ranked as my RB five
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because I honestly think that people were just not really
paying attention with the Packers had going on last year
with that run game. I mean, Marshawn Lloyd, you gout,
he didn't really you know, pan out how we thought.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
He couldn't stay at all.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
Yeah, that too, And it's one of those things where
I don't look at anybody back there taking those touches
away from HM because Josh Jacobs has put a stamp
that he is a workhorse. So in that dead zone,
like it's kind of like, let me just pivot to
some of the guys that I don't have that question with.
I don't have to question about Josh Jacobs who or
James Cook or anybody else like that in that tier.
(22:54):
But you made a great point that that dead zone
could come earlier. But you still have options to pivot,
have options to pivot, you know, to a different position.
If you want to hit quarterback, tight end, wide receiver,
et cetera, then I would do that, right.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Well, that's the thing too, Like with those those running
backs that I mentioned, some of the other guys available
in that range, right, brock Bauers, Lad McConkie are in
that range. If you want to go with a tight
end early, brock Bauers is there. If you want maybe
a second wide receiver, Lad McConkie is there. T Higgins
is hanging around there, right, I mean, Terry McLaurin is
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in that group. Devonte Adams is in that group. I mean,
so there are other options you mentioned quarterback. This is
when you're starting to see Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Jaden
Daniels showing up sort of in that the latter part
of that range too. When you're talking about rounds four
and five. So yeah, if you don't love the running
backs in that group, there are plenty of places for
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you to pivot to to find some help for your roster. Know,
you talked about the guys in rounds like eight through
eleven or so, I wouldn't put down a list of them,
and you can sort of pick out the ones that
catch your eye, either because you really liked them or
maybe because you really don't. But Brian Robinson, Jordan Mason,
who I know you're in on a Jalen Warren who
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we just talked about a little bit earlier. I paired
up the giants backfield of Camp Scataboo and Tyrone Tracy.
There's Nagie Harris, Travis etn Zach Sharbone and I had
to throw my dude, Javonte Williams.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
And I'm not say you have.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
A problem, you know, like he was sort of the
very end of the cut eye. I went through round ten,
so but he was like the very end of round ten. Uh.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
There with Javance makes the dead zone very dark.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
It kind of does, right, It's like I have a
little bit of a sadness, a little bit of a
tear when I see it at the bottom of the
dead zone there. But but any of those guys that
you have really strong feelings about one way or another, well.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I can go on and on about Jordan Mason. We
already know that that that's my guy that's gonna honestly
just be without a thought of just picking him. But
Zack Sharbon, he is a guy that I.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Feel like still holds some value as a high end
handcuff back there. So like, if I was in a situation,
he had to be my RB three. I feel confident
about it because Kenneth Walker right now is dealing with
a freaking ankle spring injury. And it's not even July yet.
I mean we already hear Marcus like, come on, because
that's like, come.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
On, I was really about to ask. I was gonna
ask the question, and you sort of answered it. I'm like,
is this because you like Zach sharbonnay? Or is it
because you don't like Kenneth Walker? And I feel like
we sort of answered that.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
And it's a split thing because Keneth Walker where he's
going to drafts, I forget excuse me, I think it's
like the sixth round you take that pick, you're hoping
that he stays healthy because he can perform. He could
be productive when he's on the field, but it's just
we have yet to see him healthy. It's kind of
like the James Connor story, like I'm not gonna be
hoping for his downfall this year, but I'm not going
to go draft him. I'm not going to sit here
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and put myself in that boat again. But Zach Sharpernay,
in the dead zone, I really feel as though like
you're getting a guy that is just as explosive, if
not more than Kenneth Walker, because you look at his
explosive rate last season, it was higher. When you look
at Zach Charbonay, he can be involved in the passing
game as well as big as he is, He's very efficient.
We saw the six point six yards per carry I
believe coming out of college out of us UCLA, and
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that was just pretty amazing to see that he kept
that same energy as a rookie. So it's like in
that dead zone you get a guy like Zach Sharpna,
you could fade the Brian Robson juniors, you could fade
the Naji Harrises, all these other guys that seem to
be their RB ones. I'd rather take the upside with
Zach Sharbonay when I know that his name may be
called upon and he's going to be able to perform.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Yeah. It's funny because I that first year I was
kind of into sharbona because of that pass catching ability. Right.
He did a lot of that in college. Didn't do
quite as much that first year. We saw a little
bit more of it last year. The only thing I
like about sharbon is that he looked more explosive in
year two. In year one he looked just kind of
like a plotter, and I was sort of disappointed by that,
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but he did sort of step it up. I think
in his second year. You said your way one of
the fade Najie Harris. The more I look at this,
the more i'm I'm not saying I'm in on Naji,
but I just don't think he's gonna go away. No,
you know, And I think the people who are spending
a higher draft pick on Omari and Hampton are gonna
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be frustrated at least through the first half of the season,
maybe longer, just because I don't see a scenario where
Jim Harbaugh and Greg Roman just are handing a huge
workload to Hampton in year one. Now, if you want
to talk about year two and beyond, I'm willing to
entertain that conversation. But in year one, I think Naji
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is still gonna be a presence there, and I think
it's gonna be a little bit like what we saw
those last couple of years in Pittsburgh where it was
Najie Harris and Jalen Warren, or sort of like what
we saw with the Chargers several years ago when it
was Melvin Gordon and Austin Eckler, where I just love
both these guys, you know, and there's a chance that
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they're both productive. But I don't I think if you're
drafting Hampton expecting that he is going to sort of
push Naji Harris aside, I think you're gonna be disappointed.
And considering what the ADP is for Harris, I'm willing
to kind of set's a pony up for that as
a guy who's gonna be as the guy's gonna be
like my third running back. I'm fine with doing that.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Well, you know what it is.
Speaker 3 (28:24):
This is probably the first time in history that the
handcuff is being drafted before the actual like RB one,
so It's like one of those things like if you
draft Hampton, you might have to draft Naji just to
have that safe regard because there's going to be a
drop off with Naji.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yeah, you're getting the cheap ADP. But let's say he
only plays seven games as what that ADP describes, and
then he just completely disappears because Hampton is playing so
damn good. So it's like one of those things like
you have to roll the dice. You're rolling the dice
here in this dead zone with Naji Harris, You're getting
a partial Reynolds. So if you need a guy just
to be a guy, to be a zombie on your
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bench eventually, because I can almost guarantee and I hate
talking to absolutes, you know how passionate I get when
I start talking in absolutes. But I just don't see
myself rostering Naji Harris when the Fantasy playoffs come around,
it's going to be Hampton season probably.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
By the time you get to the playoffs. Yes, the
problem is is Hampton going to do enough to get
you to the playoffs? Right? If you're rolling him out there,
can he do enough to get you? Because like that's
the thing you're like, oh, man, the Fantasy playoffs, He's
gonna be great, Yeah, except that, you know, if you
don't make the playoffs, then what Yeah, you know what
I'm saying. He's just sitting there salty watching Omari and
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Hampton go for a buck twenty five and a two
tendies while you're playing in the consolation bracket. Like, that's
just not gonna be fun for you.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
There's a huge risk. There's huge rich on Hampton.
Speaker 3 (29:48):
And I think once people start coming back outside for
the fantasy drafts, I think his ADP will adjust and
it won't go up, it will go down. Like I
think more people will be more aware of like the
camp battle and then the Beat reporters and you know,
they always got to have some type of like burst
about a guy like oh yeah, Nage Harris looks great today.
He caught an amazing end zone catch out at the slot.
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Something like that will be reported and his ADP will
shoot up.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
You know, Yeah, for sure, absolutely one thing that that
we we forgot to mention earlier during the kind of
news headline sort of thing, but maybe one that sort
of fits in this situation in Las Vegas. You know,
obviously we're excited about Ashton Gent and what he's going
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to bring rare he mostered is there. Uh, he's very
much out. He's he's beyond the dead zone. Even he's
kind of going undrafted in a lot of in a
lot of leagues. But you got Pete Carroll saying that
they could use that he almost expects to use multiple
backs and look, he most maybe not a stud anymore
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at this point in his career, but we know he's
a home He's a guy with speed who can break
plays and you've really moved the offense if you need
him to. Does that scare you off of maybe having
to spend a late first round, early second round pick
on Ashton Gents.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
I'm okay with the early second round, but it's the
first round pick that kind of bothers me because, like
you're seeing ranked as high as like RB three, RB four,
And I think with Pete Carroll's saying this, we got
to remember, you know, his days with Seattle, Like I know,
we remember the Chris Carson and Rashad Penny won two
punch and you know Rashad Penny just unfortunately couldn't stay
healthy to be part of that one two punch. But
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Pete Carroll actually handed the keys to Chris Carson one
season where he had over three hundred touches, and he
handed the keys to Marshawn Lynch as well that had
well over three hundred touches seasons. So I think Ashton
genty falls in that category where he can handle the
three hundred touches as the workhorse. So I don't look
at this backfield as like one of the things where
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Moster's gonna come in with noticeable touches, Like I think
Moster will come in at time and be explosive, But
I wouldn't be surprised if he has less than one
hundred touches this season, you know, and the rest go
to Gent and whoever else is there to keep you know,
the guy fresh on the sideline. So I think when
we hear these reports this early, I think it's more
so humbling the rookie in a way, just not letting
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the green flag alert. I should say that obviously you're
going to hand the ball to ash and Gent like
sixty times, like that's a given, right, this.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Is like this is like what it was? It was
it last year. We always see this with quarterbacks, right,
where was like you take the quarterback number one or
like the top three, and then the head coach comes
out and is like, well, he's not gonna be the
start and just you know, Mark's gonna hand him the
starting job. He's gonna have to earn it. And we're like,
you're not, You're not really gonna all right, shut up, bro,
you're not. You're not gonna put Jayden Daniels on the
bench for like Taylor Heineke, like, what are we doing?
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You know it? Well, so radio is one of those
or maybe Pete Carroll is telling the truth. I guess
we will find out, you know, when we get into
training camp and we see sort of how this works.
But yeah, suffice to say, there is a guy behind
the guy who's had success beulfore right. It's not like
you know, it's not like most. It is just some
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some guy who's been a journeyman and has never had
any success. He has had some production in this league,
so there's there's certainly a possibility that we could see
him get a decent sized workload. But we will see there.
So all right, after I look at the running back
dead zone, take a break, come back, do the same
thing for wide receivers. This one was interesting because I
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felt like, because the position is so deep, finding a
dead zone maybe a little bit harder. But well, we'll
talk that out a little bit. Stick around. Come back
for more of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. So we
talked running back dead zone, might as well flip it
over to wide receivers. Can't really do a quarterback or
tight end dead zone because you know the yeah, the.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Only tends are a complete dead zone.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
I pretty much right. It's it's like the top flipping
five guys, the top four or five guys, and then
everything else is like, yeah, good luck, you know sort
of thing. And the quarterbacks you're only drafting one. There's
usually there's usually enough for every team on your lead
to get a decent starting quarterback. And then you know,
if you're drafting a QB two, then then it's up
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for debate at that point. But yeah, when you're looking
at wide receiver dead zones, where were you finding one?
Speaker 3 (34:24):
So the rounds like ninth to eleven is really where
I've seen like a huge drop off, and like guys
like we see on the board, like Kyle Williams, Marvin Mims,
I mean Jack Besh, like these are guys that you know,
you like, but it's like I can't bring them in
as a wide receiver three or four or have flex
appeal on a week to week basis. You look at
Luther Burden where Ben Johnson's very frustrated with him, like
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he needs to be on the field to get these reps.
I mean Rashid Shahid, He's just coming back from injury,
and like, these names just don't feel.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Like good secure spots here.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
So I feel like it gets really dark once you
hit that ninth round.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
I think that's right. I will also, you know, because
me being a little bit contrarian, we'll pick one out
a little bit earlier, and that is sort of late
third through again late fifth, maybe necessarily Technic Millin, Xavier Worthy.
I mean, there's some guys in here, Flowers, yeah, I
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mean DK Metcalf, you know, George Pickens, Jalen Waddle. Again,
guys that the range of outcomes potentially is very wide
with some of these guys, right, and so that that
to me makes it a little bit sketchier. The problem
is that also sort of overlaps with my earlier RB
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dead zone. So I guess, but I guess that's why.
You know what, it's funny because now that as I'm
talking this out loud, it's usually in those rounds that
I'm looking looking tight end. I'm maybe looking quarterback if
I decide to go a little bit earlier, So rounds
three through five.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
So you that that's a good pivot's that's look, the
listeners should be listening because in rounds three through five
it can get scary. It can get scary looking for
a wide receiver two or running back one or two.
And like those rounds, I am looking for a tight end.
I am looking for a quarterback this year. You couldn't wait.
You could wait, but you could take some real nasty
work there. And that's the rounds three through five.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Yeah, I mean it really could. So, I mean it's
something that's gotta be prepared. And the caveat to all
of this, too is a lot of it depends on
the draft room and the draft board, because yeah, if
everybody in your league is you know, look, let's just
be honest, right in home leagues, there are gonna be
some leagues where quarterbacks come off the board early, right,
So that means that in those rounds three through five,
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the running back and wide receiver situation is gonna look
a little bit different. There are some rooms where there's
gonna be it's gonna be heavy on running backs, and
so you know, rounds three through five you'll still have
a lot of good wide receivers, or maybe it goes
the other way. So some of it is gonna be
dependent on how the rest of the draft goes. But
if you're just basing it kind of on current ADPs,
I'm that's where things get a little bit sketchy for sure.
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You know, looking at around nine through eleven with wide receivers,
I put a lot of names on this list. I'll
just blow through them and you can kind of do
what we did before, pick the ones that that you
have a strong reaction to. But Jaydan Higgins, Coleman, Coleman,
who we talked about earlier, Trey Harris, Luthor Burden, Rashid Shaheed,
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Rashot Bateman, Kyle Williams, the Ubiquitous Marvin Mims, Christian Kirk,
Jack Besh, Hollywood Brown, any of those, I guess Jayden
Higgins is the one that jumps out at as a
guy that you have a reaction for.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
Yeah, Jayden Higgins Trey Harris.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
I mean, those are the two guys right there where
I think, like you take those shots. These are the
guys I'm willing to bring into my wide receiver three.
They could play a flex and you know, week to week,
you know you'll just have to play by ear. But
I think these guys are having really good mini camps
and when they go into training camp, we're gonna keep
here more and more buzz. So I expect these two
guys to come out of the dead zone where their
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ADPs are gonna rise a little bit. Because when you
look at Trey Harris, he's the prototype X for the Chargers.
I understand people are all in on Lad because of
his football IQ, his ability have to catch. He had
an amazing season last year, but justin Herbert had no
help outside of him. So when you're looking at Trey
Harris coming in as this guy that nobody really knows about,
but he is lighting it up at camp, boy, I'm
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willing to take a shot on him as my wide
receiver three who could potentially compete for Lad for these targets.
Jayden Higgins is out there doing one hand catches like
he is prime teo Jerry Rice out there with CJ.
Strout along the sideline, Like I got to share that
video with you, Marcus, because that that that just really
just made me excited. Like I almost dropped the popcorn.
You know, I was watching Stitch, you know, at you know,
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Father Day, I was watching Lelon Stitch and I was
on my phone to scroll on Twitter a little bit
because the movie hit a little dead spot.
Speaker 2 (38:53):
But a great movie by the way.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
But you know I saw that Cliff and I was like, yo,
and you know, everybody's like bro with this guy.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
He's really he's really into Stitch right now. I mean, yeah,
I'm not sure how I feel about Trey Harris necessarily.
I mean, you know, we had the conversation was last
week about the Chargers saying that, you know, the wide
receiver room is night and day from what it was
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year the year before, to which I was kind of like, really,
but I think I do think there is opportunity there.
You know, we know Lad McConkie's going to get a
lot of targets. But yeah, and Mike Williams obviously has
a rapport with Justin Herbert with them having been teammates previously.
But we also sort of know what Mike Williams ceiling
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is at this point. But there's nobody else really there
that I think can can suck up a lot of targets.
But for a lot of the same reasons you are
in on Trey Harris, I'm starting to buy in on
Kyle Williams in New England. You know, we've talked a
lot about Drake May of you know, Floria, who's not here,
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is the biggest Drake may stand among us. But I
see the vision like I understand what the Patriots see
in Drake May. And again, this is a wide receiver
room where there aren't a lot of solidified roles, Like, yeah,
they brought in Stefan Diggs and the expectation is that
he's going to be the wide receiver one, that he's
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going to lead this team int targets. But there aren't
a lot of other guys that you feel confident can
just command a large target share. The Mario Douglas had
a nice year last year, yea, yeah, But I also
think some of it was just that the Patriots wide
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receivers were so bad somebody sort of had to take reliable. Yeah,
you know, somebody had to take the lead there and
so Douglas kind of filled that role in a lot
of ways. But I mean, who else Mac Hollins, Uh,
Kayshawn Boody, Kendrick Bourne, you know, just give me Hunter
Henry Henry and like Vonne Baker and Jalen Polk were
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huge disappointments last year. So there really is an opportunity
for Kyle Williams. And you know, without getting too hyped
up on mini camp reports, there were a lot of
really good mini camp reports about Williams.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
You know, I need to see it though, I need
to see the video and get me all excited.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
There was a Lord, I can read it. It's great.
There's a lot of excitement about it. So you know,
maybe that there's something there. And again with it being
so late in drafts, spinning a double digit round pick
potentially on Kyle Williams uh and seeing if he can
blossom into a guy that earns a lot of targets
from Drake May, I'm willing to take that chance on
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him later.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
Yeah, you know, Florio he mentioned something on the last
pot and Hollywood Brown's there in that dead zone as well,
and I've.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
Actually he tested this theory.
Speaker 3 (42:01):
If he becomes like an automatic smash there as a
wide receiver three or four or even at five at
this point.
Speaker 2 (42:06):
And I think I.
Speaker 3 (42:07):
Agree because you do see his ADP discount because of
the injury, but then you remember who's throwing him the ball.
Then it's like, Okay, I could see why I'm willing
to roll this dice and why I'm willing to have
a Hollywood Brown come aboard because maybe there is still
something there in the tank, you know, maybe there is
something there where he could provide for this offense to
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be a reliable target out of Rashid Rice, who's returning
back from a major injury as well. So I do
think that, you know, Hollywood Brown in that dead zone,
he could be an interesting pick as well that I
might be in on.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Yeah, I mean, I just Chiefs receivers. I'm not sure
what to do with, you know, I think Rashid Rice
is definitely worth a draft pick. Curious sort of the
evolution Xavier worthy of you know, Hollywood I'm not out on,
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but I'm also not super excited about. I'm just sort
of just sort of there. For me.
Speaker 3 (43:06):
I feel like the Chiefs, the Chiefs wide receiver room
is like a split between a retirement home and then
like a youth.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
Camp or something, because it just does not ever pan
out to be what it needs to be. You know.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
It's like it's like it's like the Big Brothers program
of America, right, It's like you have you have your
your older wide receivers in the mentory. You're a wide receiver,
and everybody sort of lives happily ever after. I'm out
on rash but I think it's out on I'm out
on the Saints generally, But I I do wonder if
we're gonna regret that decision, if Tyler Shook is gonna
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just shock, is going to stand back there and just
throw yolo balls potentially, which would help she Heed. I
know how you feel about Chris o'lave. I know you're
you were out on Chris o'lave in the best of times,
So I can't imagine, can't imagine your I.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
Was ahead of that train. But can you I'm completely out.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Can you? Can you see a strand of the old
verse where Rashid Shaheed is productive this year?
Speaker 3 (44:03):
I think what we saw last year was kind of
like the ceiling. He'll have his moments. I can't rely
on him every single week because that deep ball cannot
just be the mash button that you put every time
you want to hit the special move. And like, I
don't know anything about Tyler Schuck to be, you know,
a Saints quarterback that could stand up and throw back
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there the long ball to him consistently, because again, he's
returning back from injury. He might not have that Saint
pep in his step. So I'll wait a season. I
think Rashid shahe's going to be here for another couple
of years in the league, but I'll wait a season
to see if he can step pepen and step back.
But heavens know, you know, And like there's a guy
that's going around his ADP as well, then I'm honestly
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out on as well. And that's Marvin Mims. He played
twenty seven percent of the snaps. And you know how
the fancy streets work.
Speaker 1 (44:52):
MG.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
When I start seeing Marvin Mims getting the buzz now,
getting all the love, I tend to fade because it's like, Okay,
you guys are doing the bad thing. Now You're you're
talking too much about him that his ADP is going
to rise. He's in that dead zone going as a
wide receiver three for some teams, and he played twenty
seven percent of the snaps.
Speaker 1 (45:10):
That's the fewest on the team.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
No, I cannot do that.
Speaker 1 (45:15):
I'm laughing about this because you are like our unofficial
Sean Payton interpreter, right, and so like when Sean Payton
is like odric estimate is going to get more touches,
You're like.
Speaker 2 (45:30):
Nah, he's a nice guy.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
You know. It's like it's R. J. Harvey, Nah and now,
well not now, but you know, Sean Payton's been like,
we're gonna get Marvin Mims more involved, and you're like, nah.
Speaker 2 (45:45):
You kind of have to just speak the language. And
you know, you know what Sean Payton's doing, man, because
you just the numbers do not support what he's saying,
you know what I mean. Like, even with all your estimate,
he technically told the truth. He did get more touches.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
But he just appeared two games later, Like that's that's
the truth about Sean Bayton, you know. But it's one
of those things where I want Marvin Mims to stay cheap.
Speaker 2 (46:08):
I want people to fade him. Like it's the same
thing with Greg Dorts. You know, I don't want no
buzz around Greg Dortch unless it's coming from me.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
So you want so you're not opposed to Marvin Mims.
You're just opposed to Marvin Mims at ADP.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
Yes, at ADP is disgusting because it's one of those
things like you guys are late, don't do that. Stop
leave and where he's at. Let him be my wide
receiver five or six or go undrafted and I pick
him up the week that I need him.
Speaker 1 (46:36):
I do feel like here's the thing he was. Probably
he's gonna get pushed up, and he's gonna get drafted
in a lot of leagues with like you know, the
Sharps and the degenerates and the people like us. I
do think, though, the ADP will come down only because
and this is my thinking here, it's mid June and
people are talking him up now and that ADP is rising.
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But what's gonna happen is peoplere gonna pivot off of
him because we're gonna get tired of talking about Marvin
Mems and we'll start talking about some other wide receivers. Right,
so like it could be that it could be and
not even just in Denver, but right, but like the
Kyle Williams hype is probably going to hit at some point.
You know, maybe there's like there's Rashad Bateman hype. I
don't know. I'm just you know, I'm just throwing things
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out of here, and there's Trey Harris hype, and those
guys are gonna move up, and that might push MEMS
down around or two just because of that. So I
think I think he's gonna be inflated for a short term.
I'm I think that number comes down.
Speaker 3 (47:34):
There's one more wide receiver that lives in the dead
zone as well that I think it's completely incorrect, and
that's Jalen McMillan. Like he's going as like wide receiver
sixty four, Like what are we doing here?
Speaker 2 (47:45):
Why?
Speaker 1 (47:47):
I just think it's the number of players there. I
just I think that's all it is. I think it's
just the number of guys in Tampa Bay. When you
have to factor in, you know, Mike Evans and Chris
god And are going to get their targets. Then they
go and they draft a Mecca Abuka. Right, they still
have to figure out how to integrate Bucky Irving for
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Shot White. They're still going to get some targets to well,
I mean a few, I guess occasionally to the tied
end position. I just think that right now McMillan's the
guy with the least buzz. You know, Evans and Evans
and Godwin will always have buzz. Abuka is the new
guy there, and so there's some excitement around him. McMillan
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is just he's number four on the excitement totem pole
in Tampa Bay, and so that's I think has a
lot to do with.
Speaker 3 (48:35):
That finish the season so strong, that's so disrespectful.
Speaker 1 (48:40):
I do like Jaylen McMillan. I think he's good. I
just I think there's, yes, there's a log jam right
now in Tampa and I think that's sort of the
problem is trying to figure out how to navigate that
log jam and trying to see who gets those targets there.
But you know, I think there's still something there with McMillan.
And again, knock on wood, you know, I wish you
for injuries, but if somebody does it's not hurt, then
(49:02):
that opens up a huge opportunity for Jalen McMillan. So
I don't know, I think that's what that is for sure.
All Right, that's it that's a little bit of the
dead zone. I'm sure we can sort of revisit this. Yeah,
when Florio's back, which he'll be back next week. I'll
be gone next week. Uh, so you know we'll have
(49:23):
to wait a couple of weeks to do all this stuff. There,
we're cheat sheating on Thursday, right, I have no idea
what to talk about because we're gonna we'll hold the
movie so Florio gets back. Also, I haven't watched it yet,
but I forgot Actually, well watch it again, Yeah, to
look it up. It's that one with with the other
(49:43):
guy to Lose. It's the Luke Himsworth movie. Yeah, it's
a Netflix action movie. I'm like sitting here trying to
Land of Bad. That's what Land of Bad? Wow?
Speaker 2 (49:58):
No, I haven't seen that one.
Speaker 1 (50:00):
Yeah, me neither.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
So keep it in the family.
Speaker 1 (50:02):
We'll experience it together. So moving back on Thursday, I
don't know we'll talk about that movie, but we will
talk about some things on the Chee Chee. We're always
up for your questions too as well, if you want
to hop in the chat and talk about those sorts
of things. So shout out to Gavin Kensel for editing
this thing. And making it sound smooth. I appreciate you
after making you have to do extra work for the show,
so I'm doing for this edition of the NFL Fantasy
(50:26):
Football Podcast, the Happy, Safe and Healthy, do good and
live well. Enjoy the week, everybody. We will talk to
you again on Thursday.
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Michael F. Florio
Kimmi Chex
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