NFL Fantasy Football Podcast: Post-Draft Day 2/3 Recap

Marcas Grant and Michael F. Florio are back for another edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast! The draft is now behind us and we're now looking at the picks with the biggest fantasy implications. Will Sam LaPorta be the top Rookie TE this year? Is Jonathan Mingo the new WR1 in Carolina? We answer this and more! 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, Hey everybody, It's Wednesday, May third, twenty twenty three.
Welcome to the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast where We're not
ready for silly Season. It's me and your man MG
Marcus Grant joined by Michael f Florida. We got two

(00:21):
specialists over the side there. Shout out to Randy and
Albert for showing up and helping us out today. Yeah, Florida.
So the draft is in the rearview mirror. I guess
the next big thing for us around here is schedule release.
For how do you feel about schedule release?

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Look, if the bosses are listening, I love the schedule release.
It is the greatest thing ever. We should have more
events like this. If the bosses have tuned out by now,
it is the most overhype thing in the sports because
we literally the moment play ends in week eighteen. We
know every opponent that every team is going to face.
We just don't know when on the calendar. It's basically

(00:59):
just unveiling accoun There is what it is. I understook,
I get it. I know it drives viewership. I understand
we do like a multi hour show about it. But
I'm with you, there's not I can't get myself.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Super excited about it. I don't know if you've ever
been here like long enough where like I have been
fortunate enough in the past, and I don't know if
I'm allowed to say this, but whatever, if they come
for me, they come for me. Where I've had to
write about schedule release and so I will get the
schedule like a day or two in advance. It is
like top secret nuclear football level stuff. I mean, like

(01:31):
it is handed to you or email to you with
like bright red letters like do not release this under
penalty of death, and I'm like, I'm not gonna say anything,
but I know that like literally every beat writer in
existence is going to be leaking this though over the
next twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
The leaks of the schedule annoy me more than the
hype for the schedule release, because I'm like, we know this,
just let people get excited about it. But besides that,
the people who then have to write about it after
and like break it down. I'm like, you could have
wrote this article three months ago and just have been
sitting on it, because again, all we're finding out is
when the games.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
Will been pretty much I mean, I think the biggest
thing I pull out of it is like when a
bye weeks, so you can like maybe you can prep
to grab somebody off the waiver wire for bye weeks
something like that. And you know, I don't know, I
guess if you want when certain revenge matchups happened or something.

Speaker 2 (02:21):
I do get excited to see who the international games are.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
That's true.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
That that to me is probably the I go like, okay,
who's playing overseas? Like is that? That's fun? And then
besides that, I look at the.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Bills, which usually is like Jaguars. That's usually what you know,
there's one London game of these is always the Jaguars,
and then the rest of them you kind of fill
into blanks there. Of course, we mentioned the draft is over,
and uh, you know, we we hitch back on Thursday
night with our Round one recap. Think if we let
a breathe for a couple of days and get back

(02:51):
to you with what happened days two and three. So
let's just break it down. We're gonna go through a
list of names by position, sort of figure out what
this means for them, what this means for the guys
around them. I feel like maybe next week we can
kind of dive further into the veteran winners and losers
in this whole thing, but let's just talk about the
guys themselves that were drafted. So let's start a quarterback

(03:11):
where the day began pretty much with Will Levis getting
drafted by the Tennessee Titans. One of the big stories
of Night one that poor Will Levis had to sit
in the green room all by his lonesome and wonder
if his girlfriend was going to break up with him
because he was not around one pick. Hopefully pick number
thirty three was good enough for her. So we go

(03:32):
to the Titans in round two. There are big questions
about what Levis's future could be. The range of outcomes
based on what the scouts say, is very wide. But
my question is, I mean, we know that Ryan Tannehill
is still there and unless something catastrophic happens, he's going
to be the starter in week one. But Will Levis
getting drafted by Tennessee does this mean that Malik Willis

(03:55):
experiment is over?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Sadly, yes, Malik Willis, like last year, we were all
excited for him around this time and it was because
of his rushing ability and the fact that how far
he could throw. We all said he's very raw and
he needs a lot of game time experience to kind
of mature. And when he got out there, it was rough,

(04:18):
Like it was so rough that the Titans opted in
their biggest game of the season to give Josh Dobbs
his first career start, which tells you all you need
to know about Malik Willis and they use the second
round pick. My thinking, my hope with Malik Willis because
I know Tannehill's going to start the season, but I
think the Titans are looking ahead to next season. So

(04:40):
my thinking was like, hey, if they struggle initially the
first like six weeks or something like that, could we
see a move to Elik Willis Because one, it gets
an experience too. It also helps their chances of increasing
their draft pick. But if they move on from Ryan
Tannehill in season, which I still expect them to do,
will Levis is going to get every opportunity He's He's
now the future for this team. So yeah, if you're

(05:04):
holding Malik Willis in dynasty or anything like that, I
think you gotta kind of let this one go.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
This one, Yeah, it seems like they are ready to
move on now as of this moment and take that
for whatever it's worth. Malik Willis is still the QB
two in Tennessee, but you know, we haven't really gone
through rookie mini camps yet, we haven't gone through OTA's
and all the other things yet, so there will be
a competition brewing for that second spot. And it does

(05:30):
seem like, based on what we saw last year from
Willis and the expectations for Levis, that will Levis is
probably going to be the number two quarterback in Tennessee
when it's all said and done, and that is the
person who will be the heir apparent for Ryan Tannehill.
The rest of this offense, I mean, look, they went
out and there they drafted. You know, they didn't draft any

(05:52):
wide receivers, or at least no none with any real
high draft capital. This offense just looks like it's still
going to be kind of bad. I mean, they did
spend some mid round picks. We'll talk about ta J.
Spears in a little bit. They spent a mid round
pick on ty J. Spears. They didn't really add any
significant wide receiver help. There's just nothing about this offense

(06:12):
beyond Derreck Henry to get excited about.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Right now, and there's rumors that, like, hey, could they
still potentially move on from Derrick Henry And look, as
much as like everything about the Titans, I still think
they're one of the worst teams in football, at least
on paper. So will Levis right now, we could say
we feel good about him. But if this team, if

(06:37):
this season goes awry and they have a chance to
get into Caleb Williams sweepstakes, throw all of this away
because they'll easily dump will Levis, Malik Willis, anyone if
they have a shot at Kayleb Williams.

Speaker 1 (06:48):
Yeah, I just I don't think they're gonna be They're
not gonna be great. I don't think they're gonna be
bad enough though, to get in the Caleb Williams sweepstakes.
I mean, credit Mike Vrabel for the job he does
coaching this team. He's even last year. I know they
were seven to ten, didn't make the playoffs, but the
fact is he still coached this team up. Man, even
if they are bad, I think they're you know, still

(07:10):
six seven wins bad, and so that's yeah, that's not
gonna push you in range to get the Williams, especially with.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
The Cardinals right now seem like the heavy.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Face again, look like early which is that's another interesting conversation,
maybe for a later time. But you've got Caleb Kyler Murray,
you signed him to an extension. If you are sitting
in the one spot, you just try to load up
on picks, you trade out and try I.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Would trade Kyler. I as I know it sounds wrong
to say, but you have a quarterback who's making a
lot of money versus one that you can get draft
capital back for to get Kyler and then use that
pick on someone and reset the rookie clock. Because as
much as I like Kyler Murray and I'm a big
Kyler Murray fan, this roster is not a couple of

(07:53):
years away, I don't think from being a super Bowl contender.
So you kind of want that rookie contract, I think.
But yeah, not only they have their first round pick,
they have the Texans, so they had the capital to
go up and maybe make a move to one themselves
and then replace that capital by trading Kyler.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
He's a thing. Yeah. The the Cardinals team right for
potential fire sale. They moved DeAndre Hopkins, they move some
other pieces and see if they can get some draft
capital that in the near future, Hindon Hooker ends up
going to the Detroit Lions. This is another guy that
we speculated could go in the first round just because

(08:29):
teams might want that fifth year of control on him,
knowing that he's probably not gonna play this year after
having the knee injury. Obviously, Jared Goff is the guy
there for now, but Hooker looks like he's kind of
the next in line for that job in Detroit, understanding
that in redrafts you're not gonna take a chance on him.

(08:51):
But dynasty wise, what do you feel about about Hindon Hooker.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I think he's the QB five in rookie drafts, and
obviously the three that went in the top four picks,
and then Will Levis. I don't know, because I tweeted
the other day that Hendon Hooker's closer to Jared Goff's
age than he is the other rookie quarterbacks, and some
of line fans were like, stop pointing out in his age,
it doesn't matter. I think it does. When your breakout

(09:17):
comes at twenty five years old in college, I think
that matters a little bit. The Lions have a lot
of offensive talent, So I think if he does get
to start, he can be a big value from where
you're gonna get him in rookie drafts. Right now, I'm
just I don't know, Like, is he I understand he's cheaper,
but like, if Jared Goff plays well this year, I

(09:40):
know we're all kind of writing off Jared Goff's future
with the Lions, but I think they might look at
it and be, like, the NFC is wide open. If
Jared Goff has a good season and they make the
playoffs and stuff, why would they want to restart?

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I mean it's a good question. Now in theory they
could get out from under Goff's contract after this season.
It take a little bit less of a ca A hit,
So I mean that's something that's sort of keep in mind.
But I do think that whoever it is, if it's golf,
even if it's Hooker, the Lions are sort of in
this weird limbo state because here they were last year

(10:14):
nine and eight. They just missed out on the playoffs.
They missed it on the last day of the season.
Even if they win the division, which is certainly possible, right,
they could win the NFC North. This is what a
ten to eleven win team, Maybe they win a game,
Maybe they win a game in the playoffs, which is
something that hasn't happened in a while. It's been what
are we decades centuries since they won a first round

(10:37):
playoff game. So then that sort of leaves them in
this limbo right where you are. You're not bad enough
to get a high pick and put yourself in line
potentially for one of these sort of franchise defining quarterbacks,
but you're not good enough to make a real run
at a championship. It's sort of what we talked about
with the Giants, right they go all in on Daniel Jones,

(10:58):
and now you potentially stuck kind of in quarterback and
NFL purgatory where you can make the playoffs, but you
can't really make a run, so you can't get enough
high draft picks to really rebuild this whole thing. I mean,
I think that's that's sort of the story with Goff,
And I don't know that Hooker is the guy to
take them over the hump, partially because of age, partially
because I think he's a good but not great quarterback.

(11:20):
So I think, you know, either way, they're sort of
stuck in this nine ten eleven win window where they're
not necessarily good enough to compete with the elites of
the NFC. Beyond that, I mean, as for fantasy, I
know right now he's sort of being mocked as the
RBQ QB five RB rookie QB five, that's what I'm
trying to say, the rookie QB five, which feels kind

(11:42):
of about right. I mean, he's a guy in rookie
drafts you're probably taking if you're taking it all in
that last round, and just sort of waiting because you
gotta wait at least a year maybe two before he
gets on the field at this point.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, and I agree with everything you said about the
lines and like the chance this year. But if they
played in the AFC, I'd be like, yeah, you gotta
get rid of Goff. But in the NFC, I'm like, yeah,
they're not They're not Eagles level good, they're not Niners
level good. But after that, with any sort of confidence,
I cannot tell you who the third best team is

(12:15):
in the Well, it might be the Cowboys, Yeah, it
might be the Vikings. It maybe it's the Lions. Like
there's there's a big drop off after the top two
teams in the NFC.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
Yeah, I would be willing to say the Cowboys, but
it's probably but you know what, I'm open to having
my mind changed at this point. Some of the other
quarterbacks who went a little bit later. Stetson Bennett goes
to the Rams, Jake Hayner to the Saints, Aidan O'Connell
drafted by the Raiders. Dorian Thompson Robinson is a Brown,
Sean Clifford is a Packer. Jaron Hall goes to the Vikings,

(12:47):
Max Dugger to the Chargers. One thing I noticed in here,
it seems like some of these teams have a type.
The Rams apparently love Georgia quarterbacks with Stetson Bennett and
Matthew Stafford. The Saints love Fresno State quarterbacks with Derek
Carr and Jake Hayner. The Chargers seem to be loading
up on TCU guys after getting Max Dugger. You know, guys,

(13:07):
guys have a type apparently. But anybody here that that
jumps out you for dynasty purposes. We know redraft is
not gonna be a thing, but dynasty wise, anybody here
that has any interest for you.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, maybe Stetson Bennett just because Matthew Stafford's health has
been such a question mark, and if he gets to
start with mcveigh's offense, it could be somewhat useful. I
thought Dorian Thompson Robinson was a sleeper that I liked,
especially because he can run a bit. But now he's
just behind Deshaun Watson, so he's only gonna be like
a backup all of these quarterbacks. To me, Jaron Hall

(13:41):
I thought was a sleeper until he fell, and I
think he fell to a good spot because the Vikings
are not owed anything to Kirk Cousins beyond this year.
But fifth round pick is very, very unlikely to do
anything at the quarterback position. And I didn't even connect
the dots that the Chargers took Duggar to pair with
Quinton Johnson. That's that's pretty cool. I like when teams
do stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
Yeah, I mean, it certainly works. It makes the receiver
and the quarterback both more comfortable. You got a guy
that you're used to working with. I think that that
definitely helps out a lot. Side note, John Paulson, who
does great work at four for four, pointed out that
the quarterbacks on the Rams roster aside from Stetson Bennett
and mean you got Matthew Stafford. They have Case Cookus
and someone named Dresser Wind, which I don't think is

(14:23):
a real person. I feel like he's like a creative player.
So those are your la Rams quarterbacks over running back
Devon a Chain, which is the name that I know.
Fantasy folks are sort of tearing their hair out. We're
trying to figure out how to pronounce it. I've seen
people sort of you know, I know, I butchered it.
I think a couple of weeks ago. I think people
are changing the pronunciations all the time. But as far

(14:44):
as we know, it's Devon a Chain. It's how you
pronounce it. But however you say it. He is a
Miami Dolphin. So the Dolphins they re sign Jeff Wilson,
they re signed Raheem Moster, they re sign My Gaskin.
Now they draft a Chain. Is there more or less
clarity in the Dolphins backfield now?

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I think there's more dressed in like the appearance that
there's less because I think people look at it and
they're like, now there's three running backs that Mike McDaniel
can implore. And they were a committee last year. But
my thinking is the Dolphins already had so little draft
capital because they had their first round pick taken away,

(15:28):
like they did not have a lot of draft picks
in this draft, so to use their second over I
know it was a third round pick, but it was
the Dolphins second pick of the draft on a small,
undersized running back to me, tells me that they have
big plans for him, and because of his size, I
don't anticipate he's going to be a fifteen to twenty

(15:49):
type of carries per game kind of running back. But
the Dolphins had so much success and the Niners always
did where Mike McDaniels comes from on outside zone runs.
So I think you give the fastest running back in
this class because that's what a chan is. He ran
a four to three to two, you give him. You
give Mike McDaniel that speedy running back who could be

(16:09):
used in the passing game as well. I keep saying it.
I think he's a better for best ball kind of
running back because I think he's gonna be a home
run hitter. There's gonna be weeks where he'll break out
long touchdown runs and then there'll be weeks where he
doesn't have that long run and he gives you like
five fantasy points. But I think that ultimately he brings
the most upside and I think he'll he'll get the

(16:31):
most consistent work in this backfield. And if there is
a head coach in the league that I feel confident
doesn't care about your size as long as you could contribute,
it's Mike McDaniel.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
That's probably true. And I think the point you've made
about the outside zone is the thing that I've seen
the most when it comes to a chain, that his
speed in that system is one that could be very successful.
You know, we'll see I think early on, I think
he's gonna be a guy that it's going to take
him a few weeks to sort of get that opportunity,
because I would think early on, you're going to see

(17:03):
a lot of Moster, a lot of Wilson. Those guys
are going to get them of those chances, and I
think it may take a while for the rookie to
kind of get up to speed and get those those
touches there. When he does, you're right, he's a best
ball candidate sort of in the making. I mean, I
do wonder if he has potentially Kenneth Walker type opportunity

(17:24):
if he has that kind of potential. Again, some of
it depends on the guys in front of him and
whether or not they're able to play, if they get hurt,
if they get opportunity. But in terms of a guy
who goes kind of show up midway through the season
and suddenly make a big fantasy impact, he does seem
to have that sort of written all over him. I
just I saw that, and I'm like, they're just they're
just stacking them like Chips Man, stacking running backs like

(17:46):
chips in Miami, and it just makes my head hurt.
Speaking of stacking running backs, Pete Carroll seems to be
doing the same in Seattle. They have Kenneth Walker, who
you know, they cleared the deck after Rashad Penny left,
seeming like, all right, well, this is the Kenneth Walker show.
He drafts Zach Sharbonet, who I loved as a back
in this draft. Wanted to see him go to a

(18:07):
spot where maybe he could get some opportunity, and maybe
he will in Seattle, but we love Kenneth Walker. The
Seahawks also drafted Kenny McIntosh in the seventh round. Pete
Carroll and now minds you. You know Pete will say
things that don't always cook the fruition. But he says
that Sharboney and Walker will be battling for opportunity. That

(18:28):
makes me sick to my stomach. I mean, how much
does this impact Kenneth Walker having these other two guys,
especially Sharboney show up in Seattle big time?

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Like I thought, Kenneth Walker was a top ten running
back with top five upside before this draft pick. And
I know people, I've seen people try to make the
case for him, like, look, how good Kenneth Walker was
Rookie of the Year runner up, And I'm like, Okay,
despite all of that, they used a second round pick
on another running back, and a running back that has
a different skill set. I think Sharbonay is the better

(18:58):
between the tackles runner. He's the more physical runner. Kenneth
Walker as much of a home run hitter as he is,
he struggled at times last year between the tackles and
gaining positive yards getting stuffed. And while we in fantasy
loved those big runs, NFL coaches, especially coaches like Pete Carroll,
they don't like it when you lose yards or you

(19:19):
don't gain yards, they'd rather it's white. Like Frank Gore
and Adrian Peterson hung around as long as they did
because they weren't losing yards. They were gaining three four
to clip. That might be all they could do. Charbonneau
could do more than that. And then I've already in
early drafts, I've seen Kenneth Walker fall to like a
fourth round pick after the top fifteen running backs. And

(19:40):
even at that point, I'm a little hesitant because I
could see it being a situation where week to week
the volume is kind of different depending on game script.
And shout out to Scott Engele. I host a show
with him Ultimate Huge Seahawks ban. He pointed out to me.
He was like, the Seahawks have really been trying to
have a two man backfield, Marshawn Lynch, it just hasn't

(20:01):
worked out. Like first it was Carson and Penny, neither
one of them could stay healthy. Then it was Penny
and Walker, Penny couldn't stay healthy. So now I think
Pete Carroll finally might get his wish and have two
running backs, which sucks for fantasy.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
It does suck for fantasy, so you're gonna have potentially
two running backs back there, and this is without even
taking into account that they also added Jackson Smith and Jigba.
So now you've got three receivers Jaysen to go along
with DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett. There are so many
more places to go with the football now in this
offense that you know, having a two man backfield. Yeah,

(20:35):
it just doesn't seem all that appealing. Granted, I will
probably draft Sharbona late in some drafts somewhere along the line.
I'll probably take my shots at Kenneth Walker, but I
think the upside on each one of them has been capped,
knowing that they're probably gonna end up sharing opportunities from
one another. The Saints take Ken Drameller from TCU in
round three, so I still don't know what to make

(20:58):
of the New World Saints. They go and you know,
they add Derek Carr. We know how much we love
Chris Olave. They bring back Michael Thomas. We're still waiting
to see what happens with Alvin Kamara in terms of,
you know, a suspension potentially they got and they get
Jamal Williams. Now, they draft kimdram Miller, a guy who

(21:18):
was drafted in the third round, so decent draft capital
spent on him. How do you approach this guy in
fantasy football? Pooh?

Speaker 2 (21:28):
I have no idea right now. I think it all
depends on Alvin Kamara. My takeaway from this was this
is bad for Alvin Kamara because if the Saint look,
I know't no one knows how long an NFL suspension
might be, but I feel like the team has better
insight than we do. And if they're using a pretty
premium pick round three on a running back, to me,

(21:49):
that indicates, like, hey, they're planning on having life without
Alvin Kamara for at least a little bit. If Alvin
Kamara is missing like two games or something like that, Like, okay,
I expect Jamal Williams to lead the way and then
obviously Alvin Kamara. But if he's out like half the
season or something like that, then I think Ken J.
Miller becomes much more appealing. I'll also say, though in

(22:11):
early drafts Alvin Kamara is really falling, I kind of
see it as a buying opportunity because I'm like, hey,
if he even if he misses half the season, if
I could have Alvin Kamara at a huge discount be
Alvin Kamara the second half of the season. That's a
player that could win me a fantasy championship, you could.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
And again, so much of it is us trying to
speculate what the league is going to do, and that's
what has to do with that ADP. I guess the
the flip side to that is, even at a depressed ADP,
could you wait? Could you can you afford to wait,
say eight weeks potentially on camera coming back? And that's

(22:52):
you know, that's that's hard to say right now in
early May. But I do take your point that if
they are spending a third round pick on Miller, they
are suspecting that they are going to be without Kamara
for some time. They need to find somebody who can
sort of fill in the gap a little bit. We
know what Jamal Williams can do. He was excellent last
year in Detroit. He can be that hammer, he can

(23:14):
be that goal line. I mean, I think ultimately they
would love to sort of try and recreate some version
of what they had with Kamara and mark Ingram and
maybe to a lesser extent, you can get that with
Miller and Williams. Ideally, I think they'd love to have
it with Kamara and Williams, but I'm just I'm sort
of confounded about what to do with Saints' players right now.

(23:37):
Aside from Chris o'lave, I don't know. I guess we'll
talk about Jawan Johnson a little bit later too. He's
another one who maybe we have a little bit more
clarity on. But I just don't know what to do
with Kendram Miller right now. When it comes to when
it comes to fantasy drafts, it's a lot. It really

(23:57):
is a lot. We talked about the Titans, Spears gets
drafted there. I know we said the offense is not
very good, that the Titans could be very bad. But
there is very much talk that Derek Henry might not
finish this season in Tennessee. I don't know that they
move him now because I don't know what they can
really get for him. But you get into the season,

(24:19):
a team realizes they need a running back, or somebody
gets hurt. If you're the Titans and you look around,
you realize you're not going anywhere. Maybe this is when
you move him sometime mid season before the trade deadline.
You can rack up a few draft picks. Beyond that,
I feel like TYJ Spears, of all the Day two
running backs, maybe is potentially the best spot because there

(24:40):
seems to be fewer obstacles to him getting opportunities. Am
I crazy for thinking that?

Speaker 2 (24:46):
No, I don't think you're crazy. I think long term,
you can make the case that it is the best
landing spot. And I what I tweeted when he got
drafted was like, for dynasty purposes, I like this a
lot for redraft if Derek and he is still there,
Derek Henry backups don't tend to be all that fantasy
relevant because he gets all the touches, and especially if

(25:07):
Derek Henry's on the last year of his contract, I
would expect them to run him into the ground unless
they end up trading him or something like that. But
long term, I mean, we know, even the Vikings. Look,
we've never seen a Vikings team I'm sorry, Titans team
Mike Weaber led without Derek Henry. But in his tenure,

(25:27):
he's always been a run the ball type of coach.
So I could see Spears year two on being a
running back that we are very very excited about for fantasy.

Speaker 1 (25:36):
I do think there's a role for him as kind
of a third down pass catching guy even as a rookie.
Now it's going to be limited, but they don't have
a lot of great pass catchers, right And I mean,
you know they got trail On Burks. Beyond that, you're
looking at who what the chigakon kuo that we kind
of like. I mean, I don't know how you feel
about Nick Westbrook A Keene Nope, Yeah, So I mean

(25:59):
Spears could have any role catching the ball out of
the backfield. And in the event that that Henry leaves Tennessee,
then I think the door is wide open for him.
So he's a guy that I like a lot, at
least I like the landing spot for him a lot.
I liked his skill set too before the draft, So
you know, some things have to happen, but I think
fewer things have to happen for him to be viable

(26:20):
than for some of these other guys I think that
we've talked about so far today some other day. Three guys.
There's a trio of guys that I all sort of
phone similar categories. Rashawn Johnson goes to Chicago, Israel. Abana Konda,
who I like and I believe was a I think
lanceser Line yeah, told us about him as well. He
goes to the Jets, Douce Vaughan goes to the Cowboys,

(26:43):
and that was a cool story where his dad gets
to call him and says, Hey, we're gonna go to
work tomorrow. That was that was amazing. Any of these guys,
who do you like the most? I should say out
of that trio.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
I like Deuce Vaughan the most, just because outside of
Tony Pollard, I he could be their number two running
back there and I could see it potentially where he
kind of plays not what Tony Pollard was last year,
but remember like a couple of years ago, when like
Tony Pollard wasn't getting a whole lot of touches, but
when he was, he was like looking super explosive. I
could see Deuce Vaughan having that kind of impact. Roshawn

(27:15):
Johnson is a better back than I think he gets
credit for. He could play on special teams too, But
that Chicago backfield is suddenly so crowded with a bunch
of options that I don't think really separate each other.
And Herbert Foreman, Johnson and Homer and I like Israel
as well. I would have butchered his last name, I think.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
But you saw about a loaded backfield.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Yeah, there's just so many options there and that I
don't think he could be fantasy bro.

Speaker 1 (27:39):
I just don't think he is. I mean, he's got
Breeze Hall, Bam Knight, Michael Carter. They did sign Travis
Dye fight On as a free agent after the draft,
and guy actually suffered a pretty serious injury right near
the end of the season. So I think his rookie
season is pretty much going to be a wash. But
there's so many guys there that I don't think a
Bona Khana is going to get much. You talk about

(28:01):
Rashaan Johnson though, and the reason I don't think he
got more love in this draft is because he played
behind a dude named Jean Robinson. Yeah, you know, so
that made it hard for him to really get a
whole lot of opportunity. But maybe I know the Bears
have really hyped him up. I mean, everything coming out
of Chicago is how much they love him right now,
and so it is how can he get or can

(28:24):
he compete with Khalil Herbert, I think is gonna be
the big question there. You know, I think you've got
Foreman as the frontline guy. Can Johnson take opportunities away
from Khalil Herbert and that will determine how much he
gets on the field in his rookie year. But at
least for now, everything coming out of Chicago's about how
much they love this guy, and so we'll see if
that makes a difference some other running backs that were drafted,

(28:46):
Evan Hull goes to the Colts, Zach Evans comes to
Los Angeles to play for the Rams, Dwayne McBride to
the Vikings. Anything that you want to say about any
of these guys here.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Like like Hall and Evans compete to be the backups there.
I think McBride it all determines what happens with Dalvin Cook.
I think these are more like in a rookie draft,
like late round.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Dart thrones to yeah pick, These are kind of into
draft guys that maybe you take a shot on. I
know a lot of people felt like cam Akers sort
of dodged some bullets in the in the draft because
the Rams didn't add anything there.

Speaker 2 (29:18):
I tweeted that he was a winner, and people were like,
but they added Zach Evans. I'm like, Okay, they added
a depth piece, like hey, they're gonna do that. They
didn't use a premium pick on a running back.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, so I don't know. I think I think if
you're if you're cam Akers, you should be feeling quite
all right. I mean, they spent a sixth round pick
on a running back. Not a lot of draft capital,
right there. Take a quick break come back as a
slew of wide receivers and a handful of tight ends
to talk about. We will dive into those next on
the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. Looking at some of the

(29:50):
wide receivers who came off the board in Day two
and Day three of the draft. Jalen Hyatt goes to
the New York Football Giants. They just they just have
so many wide receivers and most of them are slot guys. Hyatt,
maybe one of the big knocks on him is that
he didn't necessarily line up on the ball a whole
lot that Tennessee did a lot to kind of give

(30:10):
him space, give him the ability to get off the line.
So we need to see can he line up and
play outside? Can he win one on one? Can he
win in press coverage? What are you doing about Giants
wide receivers because they all seem kind of similar right now.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, I'm drafting Darren Waller as my tight end where
I can, because he still goes outside the top five
tight ends in a lot of places, it seems. After
for the actual receivers, the ones that I have interested
in are Wandel Robinson as like a late round pick
just because I think he can operate as their lead
slot receiver. And I would take a dart throw on

(30:47):
Jalen Hyatt, especially in best Ball, but I think that
he might not start Week one. We know coaches like
to make rookies earn it and stuff as the season
goes on, but I could see him quickly steal one
of those outside jobs being a Because the Giants lack
perimeter speed explosiveness, they had by far the fewest attempts, completions,

(31:10):
and yards on passes of twenty plus air yards last year.
Maybe that's a Daniel Jones thing. I think it's more
that they didn't have a receiver who could get open
twenty yards downfield in time for Daniel Jones to get
the ball out of his hand. Jalen Hyatt brings everything
that they need. I thought of the Day two receivers.
He wasn't my favorite of the receivers, but this was
my favorite fit for fantasy purposes.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
I would have loved to see Howatt go to like
the Chargers or something like that would have been fun.
But I you know, my concern is you got a
team last that last year, the Giants, they were sort
of bottom portion of the league when it came to
passing employer percentage. Right, they didn't throw the ball a ton.
They were a lot more run heavy than a lot
of other offenses. And now you look at this depth
chart and you know they got Hyatt. They brought back

(31:53):
Sterling Shepard. You mentioned Wandale Robinson, Darius Slayton's gonna get time,
Isaiah Hodgen's Flash the Times Black Year, they go out
on the ad, Paris Campbell as well. You know, aside
from Darren Waller, you're looking at a handful of guys
that could get anywhere from you know, ten to fifteen
percent of the targets in an offense that doesn't throw
the ball a whole lot. It just makes it hard.

(32:15):
And you know, Hyatt, I think is a I always
hate it. I know it sounds like a cop out.
He's a good best ball guy. I mean, I feel
like that's his opportunity. If he can play outside, if
he can use that speed to get downfield and hit
the occasional big play, I think that's sort of where
his success is going to live. But man, just I
don't know. Maybe the Giants move on from a couple

(32:35):
of these guys before the season starts. Otherwise I don't.
I don't really know what's happening here.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
That's fine, Like that's why I like Hyatt the most,
because I'm like, if I'm gonna take a gamble on
one of these receivers, why not go with the guy
who has the most at least in my opinion, I
think he has the most upside.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
No, I think that's fair. I mean, especially because we've
seen you know, we've seen Sterling Shepard at this point,
We've seen Slayton, we've seen Paris Campbell. We sort of
know what these guys are, So why not take the
shot on the guy who you know offers us a
fresh opportunity somewhere.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
But it really sounds like Darren Waller or bus.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
It's pretty much Darren Waller. I mean, you're drafting Sakuan.
You're drafting Darren Waller. After that, good luck. Jonathan Mingo
goes to the Carolina Panthers, And I know Mingo was
a guy that was sort of polarizing. I think, you know,
some scouts and some analysts really liked him, some really didn't.

(33:29):
But he goes to a team that is there a
true number one in Carolina?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Nope, I don't think so. Like I think on paper
you would say Adam Thielen, but I have not been
a big Adam thlen guy for a few years now.
I think his best days are behind him. My only
concern is because I think Jonathan Mingo, I know he
played a little bit out wide and in the slot
in college. I think he's at his best as a
big slot guy. I actually comped him to Juju when

(33:56):
I was watching him, not early career Juju, though, like
doj you like, yeah, not gonna be burning you downfield
or anything like that, but could be a good hands receiver,
win after the catch, because I think he's best in
the slot. That's also where Adam Feeling is. So it
wouldn't surprise me if, like early in the year, Mingo
is struggling a little bit to get consistent snaps and

(34:18):
targets and then he kind of breaks out as the
year goes on. I would if I'm the Panthers, I
would love to be like, hey, develop with a franchise
quarterback here and just you two are the future. But
I think it could be a situation where it's a
slow start and then he heats up as we go on.
I do think a lot of these rookies are gonna
be drafted and then dropped and then someone else will

(34:39):
pick them up and get the best results out of them.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
That seems kind of fair. I mean, I think when
you look at the wide receivers especially, and we talked
about this after Night One, that it seemed like a
lot of them landed in spots where they have a
lot of competition in terms of getting targets. Mingo, I
don't think, really has quite as much competition. I mean,
when you talk about DJ Chark and Adam Thee and
Terris Marshall, I mean, I think Mingo can compete with

(35:03):
all those guys. Talking with Dwayne McFarland just the other
day and he was pointing out that Mingo's a guy
that I think immediately you sort of look at the Panthers,
and you're like, eh, you know, he doesn't immediately excite you.
But then you start looking at a lot of the
other receivers that were drafted, you know, around where he
was or after where he was, and just based on

(35:23):
sort of landing spot, he looks a little bit more attractive.
When it comes to to rookie dynasty drafts. You know
immediately there's nothing about him that that says that screams
like you gotta have him. But compared to some of
the options, you're like, oh yeah, maybe I'll maybe I'll
go Jonathan Mingo.

Speaker 2 (35:39):
I have seen a lot of and I don't I'm
not gonna put anyone on blast here, but I've seen
a lot of people being like, Jonathan Mingo fell to
a great spot. He's the rookie receiver you want to draft,
And I'm like, these are people who haven't watched Jonathan Mingo.
Like I got excited for him. I like Jonathan Mingo.
I think he fell to a good spot, but he's
not suddenly gonna be like a winner. And rookies tend

(36:01):
to get over hyped this time of year, but he's
certainly won.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Getting a lot of hygh brainds well, I think some
of it is. And I'm sure you saw the tweets, right,
old miss receivers that got drafted in the second round, right,
I mean it was DK Metcalf, it was aj Brown,
it was Elijah Moore, it's Jonathan Mingo. But yeah, no,
I think when you look at those other guys, when
you look at Metcalf and Brown, I mean those two

(36:25):
guys played together first of all, and still both put
up big time production. Elijah Moore was a big time producer.
Mingo never had production on that same level as those
other guys. So, yes, they were all drafted in the
second round. I don't think that that necessarily means they're
all going to produce at the same level. In the NFL,
Jayden Reid goes to the Green Bay Packers and hey, look,

(36:46):
Aaron Rodgers had one of the Packers through draft wide
receivers for a long time. So the Packers around and
the last couple of years they've drafted wide receivers to
bet Aaron Rodgers isn't there anymore. So now they got
Jayden Reid to go along with Christian Watson who was
outstanding last year, Romeo Dobbs, who started hot and sort
of faded. Rank those three guys for me, Reid, Watson,
and Dobbs.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
I'm gonna go Watson, Reid, Dobbs. But I will say
I'm very exciting for excited for the pairing of Watson
and Reed because Red to me, is a really strong
route runner. He could get open on the short intermediate
part of the field, struggles a little bit the further
from the line of scrimmage he gets. Watson is the
exact opposite of that. Watson takes a top off the defense.

(37:28):
So I think they're really good young pairing. You pair
them with Jordan Love. The Packers got a good young
corps on offense, I think. But for fantasy purposes, I'm
gonna take the super explosive option Christian Watson.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
I like Watson a little bit more than Reid. I
think Dobbs is number three for me, But I have
seen some chatter that people think Reid could be better.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Than Front of the show. I don't know if you've said.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
About Matt Harmon, it was a big for the show.
Matt Harmon and his running partner over Yahoo, Andy Barons,
both saying that they think Jayden Reid could be better
than Christian w Udson. You know, I wish Harmon had
had tweeted that out before I saw him over the weekend,
because then I could have asked him about it after
a couple of beers. But yeah, I do think here's

(38:11):
the thing. I think both Reid and Watson can certainly
be viable in fantasy, even in redraft leagues this year.
We know Watson can be. I think Reid can be
as well. The Packers don't need, or at least we
don't need from fantasy. We don't need Jordan Love to
be great. We just need him to not be awful, right,
We just need him to not be you know, Zach
Wilson level he as long as he's competent, then both

(38:32):
Reid and Watson can be I think productive in this
Green Bay offense for fantasy, Michael Wilson goes to the
Arizona Cardinals. I know you like Michael Wilson as a
sleeper this year. There are a lot of guys there
in that offense still right as of the moment, DeAndre
Hopkins is still there, Marquis Brown is still there, ron
Dell Moore is still there. Zach Ertz at some points

(38:53):
gonna get healthy and be back there again. So there's
a lot of places to go with the football. Who
ends up being sort of the odd man out if
Wilson's gonna get an opportunity and doesn't even matter if
it's not Kyler Murray throwing the ball.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
It doesn't matter. I mean, Colt McCoy and the cast
that they had at quarterback last year, tank the value
of d hop and Mark He's Brown, And as much
as I like Wilson as a sleeper, he's not on
there and he's the odd man out if DeAndre Hopkins
comes back. I think where Michael Wilson becomes a sleeper
is if they do move on from DeAndre Hopkins, which
I thought was a lock before the draft, and I'm

(39:29):
very much so worried that he's gonna end up getting
another year wasted of his career right now with the Cardinals.
But Michael Wilson is a receiver that has size, could
play as an X which was rare in this class,
could play in the slot. He just couldn't stay healthy
at college, played fourteen games in his final three seasons.
So he's a receiver that I keep saying like, if

(39:51):
he stayed healthy, I think we would be talking about
him a whole lot more. But it's just a matter
of like how much can this guy give us at
the next level. But yeah, it if it's no Kyler
Murray and it's de Hopp and Marquis Brown are there,
he's not even viable and then redrafted.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
That's I think sort of the thing right now is
that I in redraft. I'm staying away just because you know,
we aren't gonna see Murray for much of the year.
I mean, there's a chance we don't see him at
all this year if the Cardinals end up being bad,
potentially in the quarterbacks behind him Colt McCoy, as you mentioned,
Jeff Driscold, David Blough and they spent the fifth round

(40:25):
pick on Clayton Tune.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
If I told you there was like an XFL quarterback room,
you'd probably believe me.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, pretty much, pretty much, you know. So that's potentially
who's throwing the football in Arizona. And like I mentioned,
Nuke's still there. It's going to be an uphill climb
for Michael Wilson at least in his rookie year. Now,
we'll see what happens. You know, if the Cardinals make
some moves, but it's going to be tough for him.
In twenty twenty three, Rashid Weiss Rashie Rice goes to

(40:52):
the Kansas City Chiefs. We always get excited about receivers
that go to a Patrick Mahomes offense. I'm in was
it last week two weeks ago on this show that
the track record of the Chiefs drafting wide receivers not great.
They hit on Tyreek Hill and nobody expected Tyreek Hill
to be the guy that he has become. He was
what a fifth round pick who's turned into one of

(41:14):
the top receivers in the league. Nobody predict that. Beyond that,
they have struggled when it comes to the position, but
they also have and I looked at this yesterday. Currently
twelve guys listed at wide receiver on their roster, right,
I mean, they got your guy, Kadarius Tony, They've got
Justin Ross, they have John Ross, which is amazing they

(41:36):
do right, They've got they got all these guys, I mean,
Marquez Valdez, Scantly, so many guys Sky Moore last year.
Can Rice stand out enough to actually make an impact
in this offense? Knowing that you know Travis Kelsey's gonna
hoover up about thirty to forty percent of the targets.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
I don't think so, but I'm not gonna stop people
from hyping him up because he the Chiefs traded up
to get him on Day two and ever since then,
I've seen people saying good things about Rashid Rice. And
I do think he fits this modern day Chiefs offense
because he's a good after the catch receiver. He's very physical,

(42:14):
but I think he's extremely raw. Like his route running
needs work, his hands needs work, his downfield play needs work.
Sounds a lot like other receivers the Chiefs have drafted.
They they they draft athletes at this position. They don't draft,
you know, technicians, so and they hope to teach them
that and I think Rashide Rice fits that mold. But

(42:36):
Chiefs receivers this year it's gonna be a fun game
of like choose your fighter, because they don't have a
clearcut wide receiver one. But they have a bunch of
guys that I think are gonna get fantasy hype, Like
obviously Kadarius Tony's gonna get some hype. Sky Moore has
like a whole hive of people on Twitter who hype
him up. Justin Watson has I'm sorry, Justin Ross has

(42:59):
some hype on Twitter, and then Rashid Rice is gonna
I'm team Kadarius Tony all the way. I think he'll
be there one as long as he's healthy. Uh, but yeah,
it's gonna be a fun experiment watching these Chiefs adp
all summer long.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Yeah, I mean Rice at the right spot. I know
in some best Ball drafts he's going around somewhere fifteen
to or fourteen to sixteen, somewhere in that range. So
you're not really risking a lot if you're drafting him,
And I think at that point it's fine. If the
hype exceeds that, I might be out on him even
in Kansas City. By the way, what what has happened
to the me Cole Hardman hive now that he's no

(43:33):
longer in Kansas City? Is it's still a thing.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I mean, he's gonna be competing for time with the
ghost of Randall Cobb this year.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
Man. I mean, Rogers is just I mean, it's like
you know in elementary school kickball, where you're like, I
only come to your team if you take my friend.
Like that's pretty much Aaron Rodgers. He goes to the Jets,
he brings the.

Speaker 2 (43:52):
USC version of DeMar DeRozan.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Yeah, so it's funn Yeah, it's funny. So for people
who don't know this, I've talked about this privately around
here USC USC basketball. You know, they got DeMar de
Rozan for the one year that he came before he
went to the NBA. And the reason that they were
able to get DeMar Derozen is because they had to
recruit Little Romeo. It's right, uh, Romeo Miller aka Percy

(44:19):
Miller's kid. They were friends in high school and SC
wanted DeMar Derozen. They thought he was a top recruit,
which he was. He said, I will come to your
school if you hire, if you recruit, not hire. He
recruit my friend Little Romeo and bring him. And pretty
much after Damar got drafted and left USC, Miller said,
like I'm out to Romeo's like I'm done.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
I just pulled up his college stats. He attempted four
field goals.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
That's more than I would I would have guessed. He
pretty much only played when the game was a blowout
one way or another. That was kind of the only
time he actually got on there.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
He did it, says two seasons, nineteen minutes, five point scored.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Wow, he actually played two seasons. That is amazing. Won
this whole time, I am I really thought it was one.
This whole time, I am learning so much more about
Low Romeo's college basketball career.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
It's one of my favorite fun facts.

Speaker 1 (45:14):
Welcome to the USA. If you if you guys decided
to bring in Low Romeo, I do remember. I think
it was at Polly Pavilion, either the poly Pavilion or
at Stanford, where somebody held up a sign that said,
lil bow Wow is better? All right, back to what
we're doing here. Marvin Mems goes to the Denver Broncos
Broncos right now, saying they have no plans to move

(45:35):
on from Courtland Sutton or Jerry Judy. There was a
lot of chatter that one of those guys at least
could be moved, but it appears that they're both gonna
stay there. kJ Hamler just had surgery. He's expected to
be out for the next four to six months, but
Tim Patrick is also returning. Are there enough quality targets
and I emphasize quality just because last year Russ struggled

(45:58):
at least under Nathaniel Hackett. It got better once Hackett
was fired, but we still have questions. Is Russ cooked.
Are there enough quality targets for Marvin Mims to be
viable this year?

Speaker 2 (46:10):
I don't think so, not year one at least. I
like Marvin Mims a lot great field stretcher play outside
in the slot a little bit. His best used as
a field stretcher. My thinking year one is that they
drafted their new kJ Hamler. Hamler was always their wide
receiver four who would get mixed in at times. They
would use him whenever they wanted to take a deep shot,

(46:31):
like he was out there. I could see Marvin Mims
playing that role. But obviously Judy and Sutton are ahead
of him, and they're going to be in all two
wide receiver sets. Tim Patrick coming off of an injury, yes,
but he was very good before he got hurt, and
he's a coach's favorite, so I expect him to be
out there on most three wide receiver sets. Mims someone
that I think year one will just be a better

(46:52):
real life piece for the Broncos. But year two, depending
what this wide receiver room looks like, they're they're definitely
his opportunity there.

Speaker 1 (46:59):
I think what for Marvin Mims is being the guy
for this regime. Neither Sutton nor Judy, you know, they
were neither one were drafted by Sean Payton and this
front office, Marvin Mims is one of their guys, and
so I think that means they give him some opportunities
to go out there and make plays. I like Courtland Sutton,

(47:20):
but you know, at this point, I don't think the
big breakout is coming now. I just I'm not sure
it's gonna happen. I think there's still a chance for
it to happen for Judy. But you know, Sutton's a
nice player. He's had one one thousand yard season, He's
only had one season with more than four touchdowns. I
just don't know that it's really gonna happen for him

(47:41):
in a big way. If they want to spread the
field a little bit more, if they want to throw
the ball a little bit more, which is certainly possible
under Sean Payton, I think, you know, I think you
could see Mims get on the field and some three
wide receiver sets get some opportunities there. But again, all
of this really sort of hinges on. So Wilson not
being washed. Yeah, if he's washed, then I think we

(48:04):
throw this all out the window.

Speaker 2 (48:05):
Nothing matters.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
It just really doesn't matter anymore. Tank Dell goes to Houston,
and I was gonna ask a question about opportunity versus talent,
but I think there's a case where it's both here,
right I mean, Dell's second round pick, a guy with
explosive speed. I know people are worried sort of about
his frame, his size, but in terms of talent, it
seems to be there. And we talked before. Aside from

(48:27):
Nico Collins, there's really nothing in his way. I know
right now he's sort of listed his number two on
the depth chart behind Robert Woods. I could see that
sort of changing. So you got Nico Collins, You've got
John Metchi back after battling leukemia for a year. Tank
Dell really could get a chance to make an impact
on a team that needs playmakers right now.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah, I certainly think so, especially when you hear that
it was CJ. Stroud who was asking them to get
Tank Dell and bring him in. And another cool draft
story like Tank Dell, who played at the University of Houston,
sent the Texans a message back in December and said,
don't let me leave the city, and then they ended
up drafting him. I thought that was a really cool story.
My only concern one is that the Texans are going

(49:11):
to be super hard to figure out, at least early on.
I think, because like you said, there's no clear cut
receiver that stands out. It's also new play, new coaches
and stuff. So my thinking is it wouldn't surprise me if,
like the first couple of weeks, if Robert Woods plays
over tankd Dell just because he's the veteran and all
of that. But I expect Tank Dell at this point

(49:32):
of their careers to kind of win out. But yeah,
that's my only concern with him, really is if Robert
Woods is going to get the first crack just because
he's Robert Woods.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
And the veteran and all that. I mean I think
he does. I think he's gonna be the starter at
the beginning of the year. But I do think Dell's
gonna get plenty of opportunity before the season plays out.
I mean, look, you're the Texans, and you made some moves,
You've got a lot, but there's still not a real contender.
So why not at some point start working your young
guys in and seeing what can happen, you know, I mean,

(50:04):
I know Demiko Ryans wants to come in and change
the culture and win right away. I think some of
that means getting your young guys out there and giving
them a shot. Cedric Tillman to the Browns. This is
one that I really liked because you've got you've got
a MARII Cooper there, and you know that he's gonna
get his targets. But they bring in Elijah Moore into trade.
But there's a chance, I think for Cedric Tillman to

(50:26):
get on the field, I think the Browns are gonna
throw the football a whole lot more this year. I
think he has some sneaky kind of late round value
as long as Deshaun Watson can sort of regain his
on field form this.

Speaker 2 (50:39):
Year, I completely agree. And my thinking with this one
was he's the opposite of Amari Cooper. Now like you
have Elijah Moore in the slot, you have David and
Joku as your tight end, you have Amari Cooper as
your one, and now Tilman on the opposite side. My
only concern is because Tilman is at his best at
like comeback routes and short intermedia game. He could win downfield,

(51:02):
but it's not his strength, whereas Donovan Peoples Jones is
kind of the opposite, like he is the field stretcher
who struggles in the other area of the game. So
I wonder if, at least early on, if we see
like a rotation between Tillman and DPJ. But I think
Tilman is the better player of the two. And if
Amari Cooper, let's say, was to miss time Tillman, I

(51:22):
think would it is the best candidate to be their
new top receiver and lead target getter.

Speaker 1 (51:27):
I think so. I think, I mean, I think, I
just think there's such an opportunity here. And everything the
Browns have done suggests that they want to be more
pass heavy this year, right. I mean, they've gone all
in obviously on Deshaun Watson in terms of the contract.
You know, they go get Elijah More, they draft Tillman.
I think they're gonna see this team just try to

(51:49):
air it out a whole lot more so that means
that there will be targets to be had, and I
think Tilman really does have some opportunity. And again, I
mean like a lot of these guys. When you're talking
best ball dry right now, you're not spending a lot
of draft capital for these guys. You're looking late double
digits for some of these guys. At this point, Josh
Dallens goes to the Colts. And this is the guy

(52:10):
who slipped on a lot of NFL draft boards, fell
down quite a bit into the third round. I don't
think anybody anticipated that happening. He goes to Indianapolis. For
as much as we're excited about Anthony Richardson, it's not
necessarily because of his ability as a passer. So you've
got a team with Richardson and Jonathan Taylor where they're

(52:31):
going to run the ball a lot. You've got an
established wide receiver one in Michael Pittman. I don't see
a ton of upside and redraft for Josh downs right now.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
Sadly, I'm with you. I don't think the Colts are
gonna throw the ball a whole lot. And when they do,
Michael Pittman Junior is obviously the top target. Alec Pierce
can show a lot, and then they brought in Isaiah McKenzie,
who I think was exposed last year as a full
time slot player, but is a really good, like situational
weapon like he I don't think he could be a

(53:04):
full every snap type of receiver, but I don't think
he's just fully gonna go away either. So my thinking was,
like we probably see a McKenzie and Downs rotation at
least early on. Downs is more someone I could see
maybe popping off the waiver wire later in the season
if someone gets hurt or something like that. But to start,
I think there's just other pieces that like. I like

(53:27):
Josh Down a lot compared coming into the NFL draft,
but knowing their landing spot, I'd probably take all of
the receivers, maybe not Marvin Memes, but besides that, everyone
else over him.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yeah, I just, I mean, I think I think Downs
just I don't know. It's a bad situation for him
fantasy wise, going to Indianapolis until we figure out more
of what Anthony Richardson is as a passer. If he
develops and looks like he can support multiple pass catchers,
then great, But as of now what we know about him,
I don't know that I want any part of of
Josh Downs in fantasy. Some of the other guys were drafted.

(54:00):
Puka Nakua comes to the Rams, Xavier Hutchinson to the
Texans at Perry to the Saints, anybody that jumps out
at you here.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
I think they're all depth pieces. But Poka Nakua is
getting some hype, is like after the catch kind of
guy with the Rams. So just I think he's the
most interesting purely because of how much open opportunity there
are with the Rams right now.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
I mean, it's Cooper Cup and kind of everybody else,
so so maybe maybe there's an opportunity there. Finally, we
got to tie the tight ends. Uh, not a draft
pick specifically, but Adam Troutman gets traded to the Denver Broncos.
So Juan Johnson to the moon or maybe the upper atmosphere.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
At least I think so. And I did a draft
the other day, a post NFL draft draft, and he
was the eighth tight end. It was obviously you know,
there's there's Kelsey Hawkinson, Andrews Goddard, Kittle, Kittle Waller and uh,
and there was one other one I'm forgetting, and then
it was him to me. I look at the tight

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end position and I think there's a clear cut seven,
even though I'm forgetting one of the seven right now.
But he went right after that, and I don't really
see any reason to get upset about it. Like last year,
there was a stretch where he was kind of touchdown
or bus but the final like six weeks of the season,
he was a big, big part of their passing game there.
And clearly they feel confident in him. Because every website

(55:23):
or anything had tight end as a need for the Saints.
Not only did they not draft a tight end, they
traded their other tight ends. So I think, to me
that shows how much confidence they have in Johnson.

Speaker 1 (55:34):
And I mean throwing the fact that, yes, Darren Waller is,
you know, kind of a high level tight end. But
Derek Carr obviously has no problem involving the tight end
in the passing game. So he's got a he's got
a quarterback that likely will feed him the football. Any
chance for Troutman, any interest in him now that he's
in Denver.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
There no. But he is reuniting with Sean Payton, which
worries me a little. It doesn't to me, I think
this is one of those situations where it doesn't help Troutman,
but it hurts Greg Dulci.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Yeah, that's that's probably the best thing to think about
it because Dulcis was really good last year and now
you're bringing in a guy that is familiar with the offense.
You wonder how much he gets on the field maybe
to kind of take away from some of those opportunities
onto the guys that were drafted. Though Michael Mayer goes
to the Raiders. The Raiders had a weird tight end

(56:26):
offseason because they trade Darren Waller away, They go out,
they add Oj Howard, who admittedly has had his injury
issues it can't stay on the field. They go get
Austin Hooper, who you know is probably on the downhill
side of his career at this point, and then they
draft Michael Mayer. But they got three guys in three
that can get on the field right now and catch

(56:46):
the football. Who is the Raiders tight end to draft?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
I would take a shot on mayor just upside like
Hooper is at the twilight days of his NFL career.
OJ Howard, every team just brings him into block nowadays,
so I think Mayer it was drafted to be the
Waller replacement, the pass catching tight end there. But as
always with rookie like there's a lot of reasons to

(57:13):
get excited for tight end in the long term, like
it finally got the shot in the arm that it's
needed for years. But outside of Kyle Pitt's, even the
useful rookie tight ends like Pat Fryarmuth a couple of
years ago, they don't hit usually until the second half
of the season. So these rookie tight ends are nothing
more in my opinion than tight end two's for fantasy purposes.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
Yeah, by the way, you talk about like tight ends
coming in, Darniel Washington maybe took the biggest hit of everybody.
I mean, he falls deep in the draft and he
goes to Pittsburgh where he's gonna be stuck behind Pat Fryarmouth.
I mean, this is a guy that we talked about
could have sleep or potential to. Yeah, now he's off
the board. He's just off the board, I think in
Pittsburgh there. Sam laporter goes to the Detroit Lions, and

(57:58):
I had heard some chatter you may have heard this
too before the draft, that he could potentially be the
first guy drafted. Obviously they ended up being Dalton Kincaid
going to the Buffalo Bills. But Laporta is in a
situation where we like the offense. He's a talented player
who did a lot of good things offensively, even at Iowa,
which is an offensively challenged program. Right now, could he

(58:24):
be the top fantasy rookie tight end this year, I.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Think pretty easily. Like to me, it's between him and Kincaid,
and especially he I know, I just said you have
to be patient with these rookie tight ends. If any
of them hit early on, I feel confident, well it'll
be one of those two. But Laporta is in a
really good spot because no Jamison Williams now for six weeks,
so outside of a Monroe Saint Brown, it's kind of

(58:49):
thin there. There's Josh Reynolds, Marvin Jones Junior, who's getting
up there in age, Khalif Raymond, like Laporta could easily
get a lot of targets, especially when you look at
the tight ends behind him, Like remember the lines tight
ends after they traded Hockinson. It's the same group of
guys and Laporta.

Speaker 1 (59:06):
Now, yeah, the tight end depth chart in Detroit isn't
really all that exciting, so that I think helps Laporta
get on the field. In fact, I'm seeing some places
where they've got Laporta already listed as the tight end one.
I mean you can get brock Wright, Shane Zilstra, Derek
Deese Junior. I mean these aren't.

Speaker 2 (59:26):
That helped No. One All Stars.

Speaker 1 (59:28):
That's pretty much what that is. So there's a chance
the porter could get on the field right away. I
still would sort of lean toward Kincaid into as the
top rookie just because he has Josh Allen. But I
think Laporta is in the conversation. I think he's gonna
get chances to catch the football. As you mentioned, no
Jamison Williams for the first six weeks of the season,

(59:50):
so it's it's gonna be Saint Brown. I guess Marvin
Jones is gonna get some of these opportunities as well.
So I wouldn't be surprised, you know, I guess take
it with a grain of salt, because even for these
talented rookies, rookie tight ends always still take a little
bit longer to progress. But I think laport is gonna
get a lot of targets, relatively speaking. Early on, Luke

(01:00:13):
Shoemaker goes to the Dallas Cowboys. They have a lot
of pass catchers there, you know they've got that. They
just picked up the option on CDEE LAMB. No surprise,
they go get Brandon Cooks. You know Tony Pollard is
going to get his opportunities. Michael Gallup, I guess is
still there are there enough targets available for Shoemaker to

(01:00:34):
be viable this year?

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
I'm not sure. I do think he could be their
best tight end, Like it's between him and Jake Ferguson.
I could see Shoemaker winning out, and I tweeted that
on draft night, like I'm excited for the landing spot
from a tight end point of view. But yeah, there's
a lot of pass catchers here. I would anticipate that
he's one of those tight ends that early on doesn't

(01:00:57):
see a whole lot of volume. Maybe could hit as
the season goes on. With all of these rookie tight ends,
I think you want them as tight end twos, and
even if you draft them, you're gonna have to be
patient a lot. Like what I said with the receivers,
I would think a lot of these rookie tight ends
end up being good on the team that didn't draft them.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Yeah, I mean, I think if you're looking at Shoemaker,
I think he's a waiverbier potential guy depending on how
the things shake out. I don't know that I'm spending
any picks on him in a redraft certainly, again, maybe
you're talking end of draft, and if you're talking about
best ball sort of situations there, you know he could

(01:01:37):
be one of those guys because of the offense, because
the Cowboys score that he could get some opportunities. But
I don't know that week to week you're gonna feel
any real level of confidence about having Shoemaker in your lineup. There.
Last one here, Luke Musgrave Tucker Kraft, both going to
the Green Bay Packers. I think Musgrave maybe has more
of an opportunity as a pass catcher than Craft does.

(01:01:59):
But any real interest in either one of these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
This year right now?

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
And I was excited when they took Luke Musgrave, not
for like redraft purposes right away, but just for dynasty.
But then they drafted a tight end another tight end
around later. And we've seen teams do this, and I
know that the logic is, well, they took Musgrave first.
He's the guy. Let's go back a few years ago
to the Packers draft where they drafted Jamal Williams ahead
of Aaron Jones. Aaron Jones won out and was the guy.

(01:02:27):
So I think this is gonna be a Legit can't
battle and because you have two rookie tight ends battling
it out, they could cannibalize each other. With a team
that has solid receivers and an unproven quarterback, Yeah, I'm
going to pass on this situation.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Yeah, and I just don't know that there's enough right
now to sustain either one of these guys. I mean,
we just talked about the three receivers between Jade and Reed,
Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs. You know it's going to
be hard enough, I think for Jordan Love to sustain
two of these guys, you know, forget adding a third

(01:03:04):
wide receiver and potentially a tight end. I just don't
think there's gonna be the opportunity there for that to happen.
So I am sort of staying away from any of
the Packers tight ends. We'll see how they developed, but
right now, I don't know that I have much interest
in them at all. Sore you go, that is a
bulk of what happened Day two and three. I know
there were some other guys out there that we didn't
quite get to, but I feel like we covered the

(01:03:26):
majority of it right this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Yeah, And I mean the end of day three is
it's always fun, but it is a long day of drafting.

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
Well, day three is kudos to you. If you said,
and you watch every single pick on day three, you
are absolutely a trooper and you deserve a lollipop or
something like that. Next week we'll come back and we
will talk about some of the veteran winners and losers
from the draft, and we can get back to Florio's
film festival. We had Desperado on tap, so maybe we'll

(01:03:56):
get back to that one next week. I will say,
and I think I talk to you about this because
with with Fast X coming out in a couple of weeks,
I feel like you have to watch pulp pulp fiction.
We've watched that already. Point break.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
Do you want to make that next week?

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
We'll do Desperado for this week and then we'll do
we'll do point Break for the week after because that'll
lead us right up into Fast X. The reason I'm
doing this is because I think I told you if
you like the original Fast and Furious movie, you will
like Point Break because it is the same movie. You
just replace cars with surfing, and it's the same film.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
I know we're not talking about films too much right now,
but have you finished your fast binge?

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
I have gone through eight of the nine I have
to watch. I have to watch f nine. Uh, and
then I will be completely caught up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:39):
Do you start like Revenue Engine right now?

Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
It's weird because now every time like somebody zooms past me,
I do kind of look. I'm like, what would what
would dom Toureto do in this situation? And it probably
would be like to drive his cart ridiculous speeds and
do some kind of ridiculous stunts, and uh, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
It's ridiculous. As I know the movie is gonna be,
I'm gonna watch it, watch it like I am.

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
They are. They have gotten, They've gotten increasingly more ridiculous,
and like eight was way over the tops.

Speaker 2 (01:05:07):
I can't wait till you watch nine, because nine was
actually the first one that I've watched, and I was like,
I've watched eight of these and I say they're entertaining.
This one is even too over.

Speaker 1 (01:05:16):
The top for me, okay, because eight was like way
over the top, and I get to the point I'm
just like giggling. I'm like, this is stupid, but I
can't turn this off because I really am entertained.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
And so if you really want to take it to
the next level, watch the spinoff with the.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Hobs and Sea. Watch that one that is a superhero movie.
That seems like it would be because they sort of
made they've made Hobbs into kind of a superhero anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
So he gets the suit that like is impenetrable and
gives him like, like, it's a superhero movie. Yeah, I
don't want to spoil it, but yeah, it's it's basically
a superhero movie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:45):
So yeah, so we will in honor of that, we
will do Point Break in a couple of weeks. But
next week Desperado, also because I want to break up
our run of LA based movies, and Desperado is not
based on Point Break Point Breaking of the Los Angeles movie,
So break up that run before we get back into
LA themed movie. So look forward to that next week.
It should be a whole lot of fun as we

(01:06:05):
get back to the film festival. But that I'll do it.
For this edition of the NFL Fantasy Football Podcast. It
was a beefy one, Stay happy, safe and healthy, do
good and live well. Enjoy the week, everybody, and we'll
talk to you next week.