Game Theory and Money 2019 All-Pro Analytics Team

We know who made the NFL Pro Bowl, but who made our All-Pro Analytics team? Matt "Money" Smith and Cynthia Frelund pick out the players who excelled both on the field, and in Cynthia's computer model.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to game theory and money are off week Pro
Bowl Slash All Pro. Addition, as we get ready to
make our way out to Atlanta for Super Bowl fifty three,
we now know who will be playing and Cynthia, as
you ran twenty thousand simulations on those games, the a
f C and NFC Championship, you were so close, so
close to predicting the Super Bowl participants from the preseason.

(00:24):
You had the Saints and the Cheese, and boy it
slipped away. Uh in over time. How are you feeling today? Um,
a lot better than it was on Sunday. I was
inconsolable and I acted like a big baby for you know,
the better part of a couple of hours. I refused
to leave and talk to anyone because I felt robbed.

(00:44):
But I did feel like I'm not mad at the
model or myself or whatever however you want to put that,
because I think most of the things were at least,
you know, storyline and the things that matter did matter,
and obviously it didn't go find models away and our
ply the biggest missed call in the history of the NFL,
combined with a I don't know, maybe two to two

(01:08):
and a half inch neutral zone in fraction away from
being right and having your preseason prediction make its way
out to the uh super Bowl. So yeah, I think
that's a great way to put it. Model. I don't
think anybody's coming after your model today. Well, Patriots, let's
be let's be honest. Patriots fans who had some fun
on Twitter. Oh you're counting us out? Now, nobody ever

(01:32):
counts you out. Patriots. It was like, yeah, it's okay.
Tom Brady through an interception when a guy lined up
in the neutral zone by two inches, Okay he was
he got himself a little uh on sportsmanlike or whatever,
roughing the passer when it wasn't anyway, it is what
it is. One or two plays do not determine a game.
I was certainly way off base with my Chiefs are

(01:54):
going to route the Patriots prediction though, as we see,
they just seem to have the perfect game plan we
in and week out, and I know next week we
will get to our Super Bowl predictions, specifically your Super
Bowl predictions for you. Let me tease this a minute
for you. I've already started to run and I've already
done an you know, obviously I do after every game,

(02:14):
I look through the computer vision to add the unique
stats that kind of make my model different from everyone else's.
And I'm going to tell you my my model is
was surprising. So the the early early indications, wow, like
different from my gut. That's all I have to say. Yeah,
I guess is I try to kind of reconcile, you know,
what happened in the championship games. I just think, you know,

(02:35):
I know again, I totally get that one or two
plays do not make a game, but I just can't
help but wondering how the Saints could not be ready
for a fake on when they're up thirteen nothing and
you're near midfield. Did that the week prior? Of course
they should think they've done it eight or nine times
this year. It is just so strange that they kind

(02:55):
of fall into the same trap. But I guess there's
a reason why teams keep doing it, right, they see
something or they don't see something in the rams are
very good at that, so you credit them for for
making that play. If they don't make that play and
they turn it over their midfield, I have a pretty
good feeling that that game looks considerably different because of
the fact if you fall behind twenty nothing. I think
that's a lot different than thirteen to three UM in

(03:16):
the middle of the second quarter. Yeah. Look, the other
thing I found was interesting is obviously not one one
particular play determines the entire outcome of the game. There
were a number I mean, obviously the Chiefs Patriots game,
there were so many things that both ways were just ridiculous,
from refs calling not calling, laser pointers not laser all
the stuff was. It feels crazy. It's it was a

(03:39):
crazy week. But one thing that's interesting is when you
go back to recast the you know, the play calling
at the end of the Saints game. It was interesting
to me because that one first down at the end
of the game that Drew brees through basically into Michael
Thomas's feet, that you could you connect on that pass
and it's a completely different game. And that's one of

(04:00):
the highest probability passes for a guy who catches. So
there was someone who set a record, by the way
for highest accuracy in a single season. And it's kind
a wide open, quick slant inside route. Michael Tomas never
drops anything or if you would have run the ball there.
I mean, look, there's just you can play you can

(04:20):
never go back and do that. But like you know,
it's look I was, I was pumped because I just
wanted to be right. But hey, at least you admit
that you don't care about the fans, you don't care
about homes on Super Bowl Sunday. You just wanted to
be right. I'll sure, I'll kind of wrap with for
me with this for you because I mentioned this. I

(04:42):
do a radio show every day, so of course you
have to figure out things to talk about, and this
is the one thing that that's stuck out to me.
Tell me if you would agree with this assessment. My
radio partner was, I would say lukewarm to it, um,
and he is slowly starting to come around and warm
it up. Um. But I said, what it reminded me
of was, um, the Steve Bartman play, and you've got

(05:04):
a team that is in a high percentage wind probability moment.
The Cubs were up three nothing, they were up three
games to two, they had five outs left to make,
and they were shutting out the Florida Marlins. The Bartman
play happens, Moises Alou freaks out, he slams his mid
on the ground. He's screaming at the fan. Dusty Baker

(05:25):
comes out and he's yelling and screaming about fan interference
and that it should have been an out, and emotionally,
the team just unraveled. Alex Gonzalez, who had not made
an air, made a single air at shortstop all season long,
boots a routine double playgrounder and the team falls apart
and they lose. And to me, Sean Payton could not
have behaved worse in that moment when he chases down

(05:47):
an official and screams at the top of his lungs,
that is a Super Bowl call, essentially indicating to me,
you just cost us the Super Bowl, and that then
leads to that emotion flowing through his entire sideline. And
a team that is up three. You tell the Saints, hey,
you have the greatest home field advantage in the playoffs

(06:07):
in all of the NFL, since you have not lost
a game there, and I'm gonna give you a three
point lead, and the Rams are gonna have one time
out and a hundred seconds to work with. You want
to sign up for that? Without those circumstances, they would
say absolutely, I'll sign up for that number one, number
two run defense in the league. We've been shutting down
their run all game long. Absolutely, let's go. And I
think it got away from him emotionally, And no, numbers

(06:29):
can't necessarily quantify emotions and players being upset and not
being able to let go of a play. But to me,
I thought that was the biggest difference in that game
was the behavior of a leader of men who's supposed
to set the tone, losing his s and in continually
going after those officials before that game was over, instead
of saying, hey, guys, we got host. They're not going
to change the call, so who cares. We got a

(06:50):
three point lead and a hundred seconds go stop him
and whatever, it doesn't matter, let's go. And that was
not the way he approached that situation. You know, it's
interesting because if he hadn't that reaction and that like big,
huge reaction like you you know, like you pointed out,
I don't like, maybe we would say the other thing, right,
like he didn't. He didn't get mad enough, right, like,

(07:11):
I don't know what, they're not going to change the call.
They're not going to change the call. They're not going
to change the call. I know he's on the competition committee,
and eventually they could change a call something like that,
but like probably in that moment, in that moment, nothing
was going to change. No, you're totally right. But it's
just interesting because it's like we weding people for not
seeming mad enough, for not being you know what I mean,
not you or I'm just thinking how the game, how to,

(07:33):
how to how to state your your case to your
players to get them to move past Because he's right,
I mean it was. It was the worst non call
in the history of I think of playoff football. I mean,
you're talking about a team that would take knees and
kick a field goal to go up with eight seconds left.
That's all the Rams would have had left to try
to tie that game up. So yeah, I mean, that's

(07:54):
how big of a difference that call was. Um, but
you got I mean, I hear I hear well and
Rex coach Shane Stike and say it all the time
about Philip, dude, move on. You have got to move
on to the next play. You have no choice because
nothing's going to change. You can't help. But maybe harken
back to last season and you know there are one

(08:14):
play away there too, Minnesota. You know that kind of
thing exactly happening, Like you know, there's there's it's hard
to not do that, to not factor those things that
I don't know. I think, Look, I'm more mad about
DeFord lining up in the neutral zone than a miscall
because and I know that sounds crazy because I don't know.

(08:35):
There's a certain amount of randomness with misscalls, and you know,
you never know when I don't know that, but like
alignment for a guy, that is going to be like,
come on, you know, like that's it's to me, that's yeah,
that is that is an egregious flag throw when when
he's lined up that wide and he was in that position,

(08:55):
and then to me, that's one where the referee holds
onto that flag or two to three seconds just to see, hey,
is this guy going to impact the play? Because then
at this moment is he going to impact? And he didn't.
He had no impact on the play. He was lined
up wide outside you know, in the neutral zone by
maybe two to three inches. And come with you, because

(09:15):
one to me is like like, look, if something happens
in a split second, you can have a different perception
of it in a split second. But the beginning of
a play is a lot more, you have a you
have a chance to like take a breath and look
at it, you know, so that I don't know, So
I don't want to go back to my my state
of mind other sideay, because I had I had to
do a lot of work together that. But it's a

(09:36):
long run, all right. So we will move past. We
will stop looking back. We've got to move on. We
will look forward. Analysis or complaining is done now. Just
a quick look at Pat's ramps. Anything you want to share,
just a little nugget before we get to it next week.
You know, after seeing so many points scored in both games,

(09:57):
now I know, actually I will give them on a
credit for being directionally correct about the magic key number
in both of these games. But after seeing so many
total points scored in the past two, I think that
it's gonna come down to the trenches in this one
for sure. Like there there's so much indication about oh,
line play, D line play, that's going to be the
absolute like stage center for all of it. Run games

(10:19):
like ground and pound, like more traditional football kind of things,
and seeing like total even though that didn't really come
into play the Saints Rams game, you know, but well
it did the both defensive lines UM got the advantage
over the run over the run offense UM. Both run
games were completely shut. So so it's really that's going
to be a huge because look, you know, just some

(10:41):
things that early, some early things that have come out
is like pats a line is actually like sneaky as
a unit. So when I was creating this all Pro
all these all pro selections for our version of all
Pro UM, I looked at units, and then it looked
at individual player contributions and I created and I did
the same thing perfect. And I've created like a not war,
but like kind of of of contribution effects to and

(11:01):
I'll explain it after, you know, when we when we
get into this more but contribution effect to kind of
overall wins and losses. So for example, the Jags defense
over into like they should have won more games than
just five because their defense was so so in the
plus column, but their offense was so in the minus column,
so ended up netting out to their five wins or
whatever it is, you know what I'm saying. But the
old line for you know, for both of both of them,

(11:23):
the interior that old line for New England is spectacular.
It's so interesting. Both Trent Brown lately has been playing
really well too, so that means that you know perimeters
a better. So so it's like who's like, who's got
the up air at the right time. And both of
these old lines are really they're going to be the
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to it. You said you did individuals and units as
a whole um, which is why we start with quarterback,
because it is all about the backup and the third
stringer and the practice squad quarterback. When it comes to

(13:08):
selecting all analytics all Pro selection this season, I think
it's I mean, this is this is as easy as
it comes. Right, the quarterback for the number one, It's
as easy as it comes. And I mean no surprise here.
Patrick Mahomes did come out on top. But I think
the top three were interesting because of how closely they

(13:29):
were spanned together. So you know, typically so so for example,
if you're looking at how many wins someone helped contribute
to in a game, right, like the the absolute most
you can get us, I guess sixteen, right like this
if you're the only reason. But that's impossible. But if
to get three quarterbacks that ended up in a point
zero a point to to total span different, that was

(13:51):
interesting for me. So goes Patrick Mahomes with the lead,
and then about one point point one less than that
is Drew Brees and then right after that Andrew Luck.
So no Tom Brady and no Aaron Rodgers in the
top three, which I thought was kind of I guess,
you know, you think about Tom Brady on the road
and the struggles that he had, so I guess if
you kind of factor that in, it seemed like Andrew

(14:12):
Luck was pretty darn consistent all seasons save you know,
the one game, the weird game against Jacksonville, right that
he played terrible, whereas Brady kind of had sort of
odd games, you know, probably three that the Pittsburgh game
was weird. Um Tony Michelle. Right, So when you have
like a really good run game and you're in less
like a lot more runs other guys did. Yeah, So

(14:34):
Patrick Mahomes had a horrible defense to overcome, right, Like,
So that's the kind of thing where like that will
bump up your contribute. If your contributions you know thirteen,
right whatever, then you're in your defense is minus twelve
and you in one game. So point being is, you
know there there are there is interesting factors in both
of those. So I thought it was interesting that, I mean,
it goes you know, Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady are

(14:58):
actually like number five and six, so you know, it's
it's it's interesting because your guy, Philip revers actually number four.
So the the interesting part from me was kind of
how that top five netted out, how close they were. Yeah,
I think for Philip just those last three games, um
we're four games really were such a departure from what
the first twelve were that I just assumed he would
slide probably down to like six or seven. But again,

(15:21):
you know, if we're just kind of pointing one out,
if you're forced to pick one, it's obvious. I mean,
Pat Mahomes was remarkable, the defense. He had to deal with,
losing his starting running back halfway through the season, losing
an interior offensive lineman, having a thing I think a
good not great offensive line all year, um really was prettier.
But then again, you think about the past catchers, right, Okay, well,

(15:42):
he's got arguably the best receiver, at least the biggest
game changing receiver in the league, and the best pass
catching tight end, so he's But think about it like
this though, I mean Ben Roethlisberger. He had one of
the biggest game changing wide receivers as well. In fact,
he had two that were really high and James Conner
was a very, very certain he was a very good

(16:02):
running back. So the difference for Patrick Mahomes against compared
to a guy like I'm not taking anything away from him,
and you see that the top two. The interesting part
about the top two is that offensive diversity and ability
to hit different receivers in different combinations, in different formations.
That's what really set them apart. So if you're highly
efficient on many different routes in the route tree, and

(16:24):
like Drew Brees had I think fifty when it was
all said and done through the playoffs, fifteen different receiver
combinations netting in a touchdown. So fifteen different receivers caught
a touchdown. That's crazy, It's an NFL record. And then
Patrick Mahomes. The diversity of plays that they had, like
Tyreek Hill in the slot, Terry Kill out wide, you know,
Travis Keilson, like all these different things that he had
to contend with, and you know, the backup Damian Williams

(16:47):
was really good, but he wasn't as good as Kareem Hunt.
So you pointed out all these things, and then the
cool part about Andrew Luck. Obviously my model loves third
down efficiency and Andrew Luck to Eric Ebron. That was
an interesting one considering for much of the year t
Y Hilton was at least banged up, if not. He
did have a good run game in Marlon Mack, but
you know that, and he did get to stand behind

(17:07):
that good old line. But it's like Drew Brees kind
of had good old line, and like they're running back
and wide receiver. He didn't have much perimeter speed, but
he had like they're all kind of missing one thing, right,
So it's interesting, alright, to the running backs what he
got the running backs all right? Unsurprisingly well maybe I
don't know if you think it's surprising or not. I
was allowed to pick two here, So the number one

(17:28):
and number two ended up being Todd Gurley and Christian McCaffrey. Um, yeah,
I mean that makes sense, right, because they do it
in run and pass um. I mean, I guess for me,
I would think um, I would think Kmaro's in there.
Number five. I think the one that probably people wouldn't
think of, but just kind of imagining what happened to

(17:50):
a team when they shifted and leaned on Derrick Henry. Uh.
I would probably find him in there somewhere because he
was also really good in past block um, really good
in time of possession and ability to extend drives and
do what that team needed to do to gain wins. Unfortunately,
he didn't start doing that until at least like the

(18:12):
second half of the team, right like said week ten,
So you're right, and when he was efficient, he was
very efficient. But unfortunately, like for guys like Christian McCaffrey
and Todd Gurley, like sixteen games of that right, Like
it's so it's not I mean they were girly was hurt.
But you know what I'm saying, like the percentage of
plays and the the sheer volume just outweighs all that.

(18:32):
One I thought would sneak in there would be say Barkley,
because he didn't what I was going to say, He's
three yea. It depends what you want from your back right,
if you want that full service catch the ball to
the backfield, you know you're looking at McCaffrey, Barkley, Zeke Girle.
I mean you know, I mean, there you go. Just
I don't know. The thing though, is that the thing
that really changed for Girley was the different types of

(18:54):
looks defenses were able to or not able to do
when he was in the game. So the thing that
my model factors and then maybe not everyone does, it's
like it's not only what their impact is when like
so my model, actually Adrian Peterson flagged pretty high. He
was in the top ten because he changed the way
defenses had to defend the team. So it's not just
and he's not really that pass catching guy that you

(19:14):
think of, right, So it's really they're they're completely drawing
more guys into the box. Are you keeping are you
giving your receivers a better opportunity to like have more
open looks, not be double team, to not get bracketed
stuff like that, So you know, it's it's you're right,
these guys are kind of the dual threat. Guys will
take one. Didn't Russia as much but whatever, you know,
Like so like they are kind of more dual threat

(19:35):
or at least patch pass catching threats. But that's kind
of a reflection of the way that the defenses were
playing this season two. So it's a little chicken and
a little egg in this one. I gotcha. Um. I
do want to mention just because I got to see
him up close and got to go through all the numbers.
Um for all of the attention that Kyle Uschek gets
as a fullback, James Staplin's your fullback of the year.

(19:57):
You want to see power and just you know what's
coming and they know it's coming and try to stop it.
And that dude was blowing holes all over the place,
I mean tossing dudes for Sony Michelle, you know where.
You know what I think we'll see in the Super Bowl.
Um that we saw one we saw one time in
the Conference Championship, but I think we're going to see

(20:18):
more of and the next year I think will be
something that trends Like we saw a lot of play
action in the past couple of years, and I think
a trend that's coming back is a draw and I
think Devlin is gonna be one of those key reasons
why they're able to do that, Like h I mean
when they the crazy thing was going into that that
divisional game. The stat that jumped out of me most

(20:39):
was when Devlin and Michelle around the field together. The
paths run the ball eight percent of the time and
you can't stop it. And every time they do it,
it's going for four to fifteen yards. There's nothing and
a lot of that and we'll get to your offensive lineman,
but a lot of that goes to the interior that
line Andrews, Jack Mason and Joe Tony and just how

(21:02):
good the interior that line is. So I just wanted
to mention that, all, right, wide receivers, what you got
to me? It's easy? What what is it? Well, it's
funny because the number one I thought so in the
beginning of season when I did that wide receiver article.
When so when you factor in like broken tackles, ability
to earn first downs, uh, ability to take the number
one defender and just own them, it was Michael Thomas

(21:24):
by a lot, and then since then DeAndre Hopkins completely
overtake it. Now part of that is opportunity, right, because
everyone else got hurt for for the Texans. So between
I mean who was even left right like kiqqt okay
kind of you know, so DeAndre Hopkins number one, his
ability to earn first downs, break tackles, you know. P

(21:47):
F says he didn't drop a single pass all season long.
For me, it's for me, it's about how many times
he changed the entire team's ability to earn a first
down and his his presence even when they ran the ball.
His presence made it so that he was like the
red Like, so if you it's hard to give you
a percentage on this because like what's good? Okay? Well,

(22:09):
like something like thirty is good? Is good? I kind
of average but not average like above average, like a
good a good number. Right, if that's the threshold. DeAndre
Hopkins at forty four, So if that gives you some
sort of right, like almost almost what what a good
another good receiver would do? So for me, um And again,

(22:31):
maybe it's just biased because I saw him twice, Like
nobody nobody scares me like Tyreek Hill. I mean, it's
like it's just it's it's a different deal. It is
a different when that guy moves you freak out when
he is out in a route you freak out when
he's returning to punt, you freak at just eight is
that speed? The ability to get to that gear is

(22:52):
so terrifying for a team that I think it opens
up everything else. Unlike any other receiver in the lead.
When he's in motion, you can see it. You can
just see defense, his tense up. Um, it's meant he made.
He made Stefan Gilmer looks look silly. You know what
that was? That was crazy? Last his ability, his ability

(23:13):
to go out at Pat Mahomes does not have the
year he has without that guy because he can throw
it up and unlike any receiver I've seen in a
long time, he will go It's like it's Randy Moss ask.
He will sprint and get to it. You can't out
throw the guy. He just he'll find a way to
get to the ball. I think, unlike anybody else. The
only thing that dings him in my model per like

(23:35):
based that's different like than than maybe because he is
super super valuable. Don't get me wrong, I don't look
at returns. I just looked at him strictly a receiver
in this but ultimately he's kind of I mean, it
doesn't think him in real life because you really want
a unit that's the most efficient. But it dings him
in model speak, because defenses still have to be They
have to honor Travis Kelsey, they have to honor pass

(23:57):
catching ability of Damon Williams. They have to honor Sammy
Watkins when he's health. So the only thing that sort
of dings him is that he's got like the best
tight end and the best you know what I mean,
like in the So it's not that it dings him,
but it pushes him down to like say, I guess
the one thing about Michael Thomas is you know, when
you've got camera mark ingram you you have to commit
guys into the box. You know, you have to eat.

(24:17):
You have to put a safety on camera if you
if you assign a lineback to that guy, you're done.
So what other what what other receiver or tight end
are you worried about? You really worried about Benjuin Watson. No,
I'm just saying I think Kimera is that dynamic of
the town. You're right, he is. It's just Michael Thomas
just a wealth for for the chiefs, you know what
I mean. And of course I do need to acknowledge

(24:37):
that Keenan Allen's the best rout runner in the NFL,
so he's number five. So it goes Hopkins, Thomas, Julio Jones,
Davante Adams, Keenan Allen, Tyreek Hill. So if I tell
you you can pick one of those to put on
your team next year, I only get one, and with
any quarterback or with uh yeah whatever any Yeah. I

(24:59):
mean obviously that does matter. But let's just assume you
have a not top five, but you have a top
ten quarterback. Okay, ten to five quarterback. Which one of
those guys do you want? So you know what's really
weird is that I kind of want Julio Jones. Julio
Jones because I know he didn't get the end zone

(25:20):
as much, but he his like athleticism plus route running
plus like Keena may have him on route running. It's
either Hopkins or or Julio Jones for me. See, for me,
it would be Keenan Allen or Hopkins. Yeah, it's Hopkins
or Julio Jones. Like the route running is so imperative
that that you trust, Oh, this guy is going to

(25:41):
be exactly where I need him to be. Look at
Julio Jones. I mean, Matt Ryan is a top ten quarterback,
and look at how Julio Jones performed this season. I
don't know if I think. I mean, this season was
a mess. They didn't have a good run like they were.
They were a mess the whole time. They were a mess.
It's still think about that's like, that's the prevailing opinion

(26:01):
um about the Atlanta offense. And I was thinking about it.
The Atlanta team, their defense was more of a mess
than the offense. Do you know what their offense was
this year? Do you know what that offense was ranked
this year? What do you mean like in what total
yards or what total yards? Pretty much almost in almost
all like like yeah, let's go points yards total offense?
What do you think they were seven? Six? Hey, that

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was pretty good. But people are like, oh, Starks terrible,
he's garbage. Thank god he's out of here. We got
their cutter in here. Cutter, you're taken over the numbers
six offense in the NFL. That was about the problem
in you take Coolio, No it wasn't. I didn't say
that was a problem. I don't know. I'm just saying
I think that's what people talk about, oh, that offense
was broken, Davante Freeman was. No, that offense was humming.

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Their defense was a mess. Yes, their defense was a
big I mean they were all hurt from like week
two Kian O'Neil. Everyone was gone their entire middle of
their defense, which is totally hurt. So that's why for me,
it's like my mind goes Hopkins, Jones, Jones happy, Yeah,
right to the tight end, to the tight end. All right,
this one was This is kind of funny that it
went in this order, but you have to remember again opportunities.

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So you know, kanc City chiefs are going to dig
each other because they're all really, really good. So actually
I had Kittle, Ebron, Kelsey, that's the order. Um Kittle
was there all off I'm surprised there's no arts is
actually because but I guess that's kind of like a
when Carson Wentz was in there, Earths was the guy.
When Nick Foles came in, you know, urs was no

(27:26):
longer the singular target that was getting all those yeah,
those grabs. The other part about the other part about
Earth's is that I I over value I mean not
over but I add in a lot of blocking in
different formations, so that when they were in there, he
was used mostly as a receiver when the when when
it was wentz, so it kind of got dinged for
not like there just weren't whether the opportunity to block

(27:48):
as often as they've got a good old line, so
they didn't need him to do that. He's like, I guess,
of all those guys, the only one that really does
block of you know, I mean, Ebron doesn't block. But
Ebron was their whole offense, Like, no, no no, I know
for the time, I'm just saying, like Kittle does blockine
kids actually like Kittles, actually really really highly, no question. Yeah,

(28:09):
And he was and he was there their number one receiver.
He was he blocked like like, look, I don't like Detroit,
you know that, but Detroit had good blocking tight ends.
I hate to admit it pains me. It almost pains
me as much of saying nice things about Donald Qusu.
But Kittle blocking was better than Detroit, and Detroit had
some good past block he was he was, he was
good blocks. That makes sense to me. I mean, I'm

(28:30):
totally fine with that. I would probably I think is
as great as Ebron was in the red zone and
all those touchdowns, I'd still put Kelsey over him. I
think I think it's more about um opportunity. So like
the volume number drove that so high from because just
because for so many times he was their only red
zone opportunity. So he was drawing horrible coverages and still

(28:50):
making grabs. You know, those red zone touchdowns don't matter
as it turns out. Okay, now, how do you want
to do offensive line? You want to do as a group.
So I only pay because I only picked five total,
and I was I stayed pretty true to their position.
So to Ron armstead is number is number one at
the left tackle position, which is super hard for me.

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Um okay, this one's a surprise at left guard going
all the way to um. I was surprised that it
wasn't Quentin Nelson. He had a few too many penalties
and a few too many and so Ali marpet okay,
Tampa Bay super crazy. The past blocking number for him

(29:35):
was ridiculous that he they didn't run very often, so
he was kind of the bright spot in like a
not so great spot of their lineup. Like he you know,
they did a better job than it might then it
might like their unit that them as a unit seems
to tiny bit over Nelson. Yeah, I don't know, and

(29:56):
it's always hard for me. Like that's why it's hard
for me to go individuals. I just kind of think
of units, Well, I have the highest unit. Though I
have the highest unit, you'll see it. I mean obviously
that one's easier. Sorry, So go ahead, center, right guard,
right tackle, center Jason Kelsey who why didn't he go
to the Pro Bowl? I don't know. Yeah, that doesn't
make sense to me. So I was shocked at right
guards that it's Shack Mason, that's a Patriot. As That

(30:19):
season surprised me just because, like I said, running that
power with with Devlin and Michelle and just that interior
of of Tuny Andrews and Mason was so good all year.
I think about Tom Brady and you know, he had
very little pressure up the middle. All of his pressure
came edge, uh for those sacks that he was taken,
and he didn't take a lot this season, but it
was all edge pressure. You mentioned that Trent Brown got

(30:40):
a lot better late in the season and especially in
the playoffs, but man, those ends were leaky. Um and
the the interior that line was good, Um and especially
so think about it, right, the the interior to run
power between those tackles and the A and B gaps
with Devlin and Michelle, and then just to have all
those nice leaks, you know, for James White, just to
kind of take those dump offs, and how good he
was with those. To me, that's all interior, the line

(31:01):
holding up while you set up those screens or those
smoke routes. I'm afraid of their left Mason. I'm a
little more afraid of their left guard. But I think
they're right. They're right. The right guards good. You know,
I don't know, I'm a little I'm a little afraid.
I'm a little afraid for them for We'll get into
that next week. But I want to say Marshal Yanda
was really highly rated to it right card and then

(31:22):
Joel Beatonio am I saying that right Cleveland, yep, Cleveland.
Those guys were all right guards actually surprisingly stronger than
left guards. So like the guys at the top, like
the um Mar, Pett and Nelson, like there's a few
right at the top, and then like a huge drop off,
which was I think also very interesting. So yeah, I

(31:43):
mean it's not I don't individuals. I don't know, because
I have no idea what they're blocking. Assignments are what
they're trying to do on every snap. So I just
kind of think of that, is that kind of like
interior unit for for New England or for Dallas and
what they want to do with Zeke or even to
some degree for Um for the Rams, you know, and
what they were able to do and holding that pocket

(32:04):
up for for Jared Goff and Sullivan and um and geez,
who am I forgetting saffled Roger Saffold. So here here's
what I measure, Like I measure their butts, and I
measure their their ankles, and I measure which direction they're going,
and I measure how much they get pushed back as
a unit. And then it's actually like very much that
goes into this like to make them individuals, because then

(32:25):
you see like what's normalized and then like what they
are versus what they're like if you were, so I
try to like figure like if if I could drop
one onto into another team or you know why is
you know there's no cowboys inherial, see, which is really
weird because Zack Martin is ridiculous and Zack Martin is
absolutely the right guard wise like Zach for sure. But

(32:46):
it was a little different this season, Like there's some
things where he just got beat where he normally hadn't
like that. It's just it's interesting until and then he
obviously got hurt, so that's a little different too. So
part of it is availability, other ones consistency, and it's
consistently on every down, it's consistently running because it's see,
there's a lot like if I could show it's kind
of embarrassing how much time I spend measuring like gigantic
people's butts, But like, yeah, one more gigantic person here,

(33:10):
and that is right, makes sense. He got makes sense.
He got a little towards the end of the season
and the playoffs, it was a little like a little
shake here, But all season long he was excellent, solid. Yeah,
very cool. And I already mentioned New England, Um, Pittsburgh, no,
none of the none of the Steelers in there. But

(33:30):
that was a really good offensive line, particularly so as
a unit Castro Pounce in the middle. Ye as unit,
it goes Indie then actually Chicago, then Pittsburgh, then New England.
So that's unit wise, which is interesting because Chicago. We're
we're about to get into defense, but like it's really
the Chicago's very close, right, Like their defense they have

(33:52):
a lot of great like they've got their defense is nasty.
And then you've got this old line like they just
need to get a few more pieces on their offense
and they could be really scary, and they already are
really scary, but scarier, Um, because I know you won't
do it. I'm going to do it, Ah punter, Johnny Hacker.

(34:13):
Honorable mention Michael Dixon or I should say Michael Diakson
up in Seattle. Uh, Hacker for sure. Kicker, Um boyl boy, Kicker.
I gotta gonna rack my brain here. And this is
this is great listening right here, Kicker, kicker, kicker. Obviously

(34:35):
you know recency biases their line, right um, because the
guy just booted a fifty seven yarder and we all
know he's got plenty of leg ums to kick indoors.
All right, that's good enough for me. I mean you
also mentioned Michael Badgley. You almost hat you just forgot
the one though, I mean, what justin Tucker? Oh yeah, Tucker, Yeah,

(34:58):
that's right, because you know why I forgot him because
you want to try to like take him out of
your mind because he was bad in the two games
I saw him. Crazy, right, guy has he's the best
kicker in the NFL. Missed two field goals in that
Saturday night game against the Charge, I mean, and then
in the playoff game, missed a huge field goal for MRS.

(35:21):
This was a year for MRS. That's that's for sure.
So that's probably why he just didn't pop into mind
because the two experiences I had in games that I
was calling. Yeah, he had hiccups, which were so one
characteristic of him all season long. Think about the only
I think it was the only extra point he's ever
missed in his career was that game that they lost
by one because he missed the extra point at the
end of regulation for him, I know. But like so,

(35:44):
I guess maybe I'm looking to see like what I
have on here, and my answers will what So I
just remember, you know whatever, a right to the defense
and the d lineman. So we don't even need to
talk about Aaron Donald. That's uh, that's that's a number one.
And that one was by a mile, so number one
by a long shot, no surprise. Well, and then if
you want to stay on the interior, then it goes

(36:04):
Fletcher Cox, then Chris Jones, and it's very close. Actually, see,
I think I would have thought Chris Jones over Cox
is goot too. Let me be honest, I thought so too.
But because I would say this like the one thing
that jumps out at me about Chris Jones. And I
don't know if you have this in your model. Tell
me if you do, Uh, tip passes? That dude tips

(36:24):
more balls and is so good with his timing because
he's a giant, he's six six, and man, is he
good at getting his hands up? No, he's It's super close.
It's like that same margin, like point one different. The
bigger problem, or the bigger situation, is that d for
Justin Houston, Chris Jones, they're also good at stopping the pass,

(36:49):
but they're not all equally good at stopping the run.
And Fletcher Cox had a higher point run defense. That's
addition to the models. You're absolutely right, there is no
question he is infinitely better van Aaron Donald and Chris
Long had stopped in the run. Long and Donald are
looking to get uphill on every snacks a different one, right,

(37:09):
So like if you think about it's like Donald at
pass rushing, and then Donald is good, is good against
the run, but he gets chipped and doubled and that's
not going to work out. I mean that you're being polite.
He's terrible against the run, Frencher Cox against the run
is a scary, scary man. Hicks correct a, chem Hicks. See,
that's the thing, is like Chicago's defensive front, like it

(37:30):
kind of because they're also good. It kind of pushed
people down right. So then and then if you want
to go honorable mention on inter for the interior, just
damon Harrison, which again I don't like giving whatever. Yeah,
run stopping though, that's the other that's the thing where
he just flagged is just ridiculous. Then if you want
to go on the edges, JJ there's one I was
gonna say immediately, Khalil Mack, he's too. I mean, there's that.

(37:53):
That's J. J. Watts one like I actually that was
surprising to me, Um. I know it's not surprising, you know,
but to me, like I would have said, yeah, I
guess it's surprising because I would have assumed that much
like Donald in a runaway, that Khalil Mack in a runaway.
I mean, he is just such. When you ask around
and I mean, you know, you talk to a lot
of the same people I do, they just say, dude,

(38:13):
there's nothing like him. It's it's like trying to slow
down a bowl. I mean, he will pick up a
pound guy with one arm and just toss them aside
like a rag doll. There's nothing like Khalil Mac in
the NFL and j J Watt though against the run
is that's that's what like, that's the things like we
all think about like nasty sacks, but like if you
balance like on every single down like j Watt, the
Texans did their defensive front, like did not let people

(38:36):
rush against them. They did not on first down where
things were like he was a big reason why for that.
So that's why he And it's again it's like Jig Watt,
Kalil Mac way up top and then after that like
a little bit of step down and then it's Cam
Jordan and clay As Campbell, right, And that's really I
would have thought Ford might have been in there too,
you know, I would have good at rushing the passer.
I would have too, But he's he's actually down a

(38:56):
little bit further. But that was kind of amazing to me.
I'm all right, um, linebackers, I have one that immediately
pops into mind as someone who probably separates considerably from
the rest of the pack. Bobby Wagner, Right, he's like
number one by a giant mark. He's number one by
a big amount. Now that the interesting part about him

(39:16):
in this season in particular, was the fact that his
defense got so Like in the beginning of this season,
their defense was figuring it out. They're young, they're coming together,
and defense is actually they saw a nice swing up
as a season continued, and that's why the Seattle Seahawks
were you know, basically in position to like, you know,
to to make a run, right Like we were like, well,

(39:37):
they came out of nowhere. We didn't expect. Well, their
defense kept getting better. And you know what's funny though,
is that Bobby Wagner was the known entity on this
defense and he kept getting better every single game. So
he started off really strong, and then he also as
the team got better, his his individual contribution didn't drop off.
He kept going like like higher and higher each time.
It was pretty amazing, actually, bet I bet, and I'm

(39:59):
trying to think of their anybody is there? Is there
anyone else's to that? So Bobby Wagner's the like pole position,
and then a little bit lower it goes Darius Leonard
and Luke Keighley. And remember, like I was surprised that
neither of the Cowboys kind of flagged, but because both
of them are so good, they kind of stole from
each other's glory. You know what I'm saying. Here's something

(40:21):
funny about Darius Leonard. I was talking to someone about him,
and I'm not taking anything away from him. He was
great this year, no question. But how about this name?
And you should know it because it's from your neck
of the woods. Um, not East Lancing, but just right
up the road. Kato June, linebacker Michigan, drafted by the

(40:44):
Colts Pro bowler, piled up a gazillion tackles, um, because
that's how they set up their defense. They set it
up to funnel to that one guy who was like
that hybrid safety line. But you still have to do it.
You still have to do it. But it's add up.
I think for people that are like, holy God, we
should have had this guy on our team and it's like, yeah, maybe,

(41:05):
but just know that's how that defense is set up.
It is set up to funnel to Darius Leonard to
make the tackles um which is why he's always going
to have big numbers. You're right, he has to execute.
But just kind of know other guys, Bobby Wagner's flying
around the field a lot more from sideline to sideline.
The thing that so what stands about it Dar? What

(41:27):
stands out about Darius Leonard in this situation is so
there's two ways. Let's just look at the run game
right first, and there's two ways you have a good
Like if you get through that first level of your defense,
you have to clean up when everyone missed the miss
their assignment or you know a lane was open that
you know, gap integrity, right Like, that's the first like

(41:48):
potential way that a linebacker needs to be effective, and
the second in the run game. And then the second
is like on outside runs, like getting the heck out
of there to get to get to the actual rusher.
Right so inside outside, like that's kind of that's two
ways to break it down. And then you also have
to potentially handle coverage and that the hard part is
it is like, unless you have a high talent level,

(42:08):
you can't do all three. You can't execute all three
of those responsibilities too in the past or two in
the run, one in the past, and then clean up
everyone else's mistakes from the people in front of you.
He just did it better than like, You're right, it
is a system that the word tackles aren't the reason
why it's position to put it this way, if I
tell you, if I tell you, you you can have let's

(42:29):
just go both rookies. You can have various Leonar or
Layton Vanderesh, Who do you want? Like to me, it's
not close. I mean, I'm taking late Laton Vanderesh all day.
You know that's interesting because I don't know. I think
I would actually go with Darius Leonard because well, it
depends obviously, what's my system? Like what what am I
gonna be asking from him? You know what I mean? Like,
because like I just think, you know, kind of a
do everything linebacker. You know, I want you to pass

(42:51):
the rush the pastor at times I want you in coverage.
I expect you to be, you know, one of the
best run support linebackers in the league. Like to me,
like I thought I felt like Latent Vanderesh displayed a
better full range skill set than Darius n I think
Darius Leonard just had a lot of a lot of
giant tackle numbers. Yeah, I mean, look, I it's it's

(43:13):
your These are two great options. I don't think you
could go wrong in either direction. I think the Latent
Vanderesh one for me. You've got DeMarcus Lawrence, You've got
You've got pressure coming from a lot of different places
along that defense. So I don't know, I mean, didn't
you watch me, like you know, like a like autry,

(43:35):
like he's good, but like that's not to Marcus Lawrence.
I'm just I guess kind of what the point I'm
making is when you look at it, when you when
you watch games or you watch film. To me, Darius
Leonard does not pop like Jalen Smith or Layton Vanderesh
or but specifically Bobby Wagner, Luke Keikley, those guys pop
like damn. Problem is that the problem is that, well,

(43:55):
in Luke Keickley's case, the Panther's defense really had a
huge draw off at the end of the season, and
so Luke was in a really horrible situation. So he
was like that's why he kind of dropped a link.
The Panthers didn't make. They like they like bombed their
way out of the playoffs. They were set up to
go to the playoffs and they just like lost their
way out of the playoffs. So that's what happened there.
But between Daris Leonard and Laton Vanderesh about watching film like,

(44:19):
you're right, but also the net yards when they're on
the field, given like who's surrounding them. I just I mean,
look like you have better corners. You have not to
be you know, mean to the corners for the for
you know, Indianapolis, but you can pass on them, right,
So it's not I don't know. I I still might
go Darris Leonard. I think I might go with Leonard.

(44:41):
Well all right, it's fun well, alright, well all right.
Oh and by the way, honorable mention Zach Brown, what Washington?
Who knew? All right to the cornerbackstha, do you have
a guess as to who's number one on that that
bad Let me think who would I guess would be
the number one corner boy? They're on a really good defense.

(45:07):
I think I would And again it probably recency bias,
but I mean I watched the fine Gilmore and back
to back weeks put on a freaking clinic, So I
guess that probably Peterson always comes to mind. Um, you
know Gilmore number three? Okay, got Kyle Fuller, a little
Kyle full Kyler yep, I can't say his name, it's

(45:28):
really easy name, but Kyle Fuller. So it's it's the positioning.
It's the like, look like interceptions are a big deal,
but that you can't really necessarily like you can get
more interceptions if you put yourself in the right position.
So it's all about positioning and having the right angle
and your hips being in the right direction to be
able to make those plays. And so not only did
he get like the interceptions that are the weird, lucky

(45:50):
ones that bounce off things that you can't really that
you can't really plan for, but he also put himself
in the position to back down passes to take take
get those big takeaways. Us A big reason that those
takeaways all happened for that defense, and it wasn't necessary.
It was because he played tight coverage, but not just
tight coverage coverage on the right side, with his hips
going in the right direction, his feet going the right direction.
So Kyle Fuller number one, okay, Chris Harris number two.

(46:15):
Chris Harris before he got hurt, always going to be great.
But again, when you got Bradley Chubb coming off one
end and Von Miller off the other, it's a lot
easier to be a more dominant. But Kyle Fuller had
Khalil Mack, and that's what I Mean'll think about who
we're talking about, right, You've got Khalil Mack probably you
know who I thought was the best pass rusher this season.
So you Fuller gets Khalil Mack, Chris Harris gets Von
Miller Bradley Chub. That you're going to see a theme

(46:37):
I would imagine in corner grades. Um, you know, if
you're put out on a freaking island for too long,
it's gonna be hard to get a great grade. So
you know this. It's interesting though, because let's look at like,
if you go down to number five, it's Saving Howard,
who was the same number of takeaways as Kyle Fuller,
and he had a crap for a pass rush. So
it's interesting because Davin Howard, who is a pro bowler,

(46:59):
which I'm glad that him out, Yeah, from Miami he Um,
he got himself in the right position, so he actually
was on an island and he did perform really impactfully.
So there are a few, you know, to me that's
more impressive. Yeah, just but again, you can't pick your teammates,
you know, Hey, whatever, So Kyle Fuller was great. Whatever,
what am I supposed to do? Not play with? That's

(47:19):
the right I can pick it. I can't pick it.
So um, and then your guy dies. He's right after
Daving Hower Jasmond King. Yeah. I mean, as as far
as slot corners go, his own corners, he's he's fantastic.
My problem, I'm gonna have to ask. I'm gonna have
to ask the coach when I see him next. I
want to know, be like coach Lent, why are you
playing him on special teams? I know, not like why

(47:40):
are you playing every special like maybe if you need
something special at the end of a game or you're
it's a close whatever, and why Yeah, No, I don't
like it. Oh he's too well. I mean Tyreek kill
returns punts. I don't care. I don't think either one.
I don't think either one of them should be doing that.
They probably lose two games if he's not a punt returner.
They probably lose that Pittsburgh game and they probably lose. Yeah,

(48:02):
but like what about those games that I don't know?
It makes me nervous. I'm curious. I mean, I think
it has changed so much punt return and kick return
have changed so much, um with the new rules, that
the probability for injury is not quite what not as
much word about injury as I am about. Like see
at least with Tyreek Hill an offense a little different.

(48:25):
But like if you're on defense and you're getting like
crushed on defense and then you're playing extra snaps on
you know, punt return like like like I mean, I
think it's better if you are a defender because you're
bringing the heat like you're not. It's not coming from somewhere,
you don't suspect it. Um, Yeah, no, I think, Yeah,
I know, I would. I would really push back on that.

(48:46):
He's such a good punt returner. Think if it's I
don't know, there's got to be the impact and that's
gotta be a pitch count for some of it though,
because gosh, what all it takes is one and then
you have horrible like those slots that he's gonna that
the way he defends I don't know. I just it
scares me every time I go through. I would think
if you were to go through just team by team, um,

(49:10):
who returns punts? I think you would find a pretty
high number of every down players. Um, you know, Pat
Peterson did it for it was best cover corner in
the league and he did it. I don't I think
he probably still does. Pat Peterson. Pat Peterson just fell off,
fell out of the top six, which I just have
listed here. He gave up a bunch of deep touch
on now that's not right. And they also had a

(49:32):
really lousy team overall. Like think about who Julian Edelman
returns punts for the paths? Like he's thirty two years old?
Like what is he doing doing that? See what I mean?
But I think that's it's it's that important, Like that
is such an important I just hate it. Hate a
position or at least weapon, uh to have, so yeah

(49:52):
that I think you. I think coach would probably look
at you and he'd be like, why wouldn't I have
him back? Then? Why would you do it? I don't know, Like,
like I've seen you guys be up and buy a
Bunch and him still do it, So why, I don't know.
I don't like it anyways, It makes me nervous. I
just think he's too valuable. You had no one left
in your defensive backs, Like what would you like? Why?
But yeah, I think that's I think it's one of

(50:14):
those where you don't often see punt returners get blown
up to a point that they're out for the season.
Like that's not necessarily a play kickoff return, you know,
And I'm not talking about being the kick returner. I'm
talking about coverage. That's where guys can get hurt. Um
and he was taken off those as was Austin Ekeler Um.
You know, those guys kind of went in and out.
But gosh, I'll tell you, Cynthia, like it is. Special

(50:37):
teams have become so important. Absolutely, Look at the Saints.
They're puncher and their kicker are both ridiculous so important.
You're starting, you know, you're starting to see um more
and more players, you know, big time players on special
team units because they're just so Like think about Adrian
Phillips and how important he is to the Chargers. Yeah,
he's and hebviously you know, he was your pro Bowler

(50:58):
special teamer. He was so good in coverage, as good
as he was, as important as he was. Is that
sort of fifth you know, linebacker slash defensive back. He
was too valuable in coverage because they were getting gashed
before he was out there. Um. Anyway, Yeah, safeties, Okay,
another Chicago Barretty Jackson's number one. So again to the

(51:20):
fact is what this tells me and what this should
tell you, is that the most impactful defense overall this
season by far Chicago, Chicago. I mean, that doesn't that
and that passes the eye test, the smell test, whatever
you want to call it. That's that's interesting. Second most,
second highest rated safety in the model Kevin Bayard Kevin
b Yeah, Tennessee, not Derwin. Huh. Derwan's three. Okay, there

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you go, there you go. Kevin Derwin was one, but
I guess Eddie Jackson had a really good year. Um.
And then by the way, my guy Harry Smith's for
Harrison Smith. I don't know if I mean, it's good
and both of those guys are great. I just don't
think either or nearly as versatile as Derwin is, um
in terms of the ability to play all over plays.

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You know, what I mean, and look whatever that that
that's not their skill set. Their skill set is being
a safety and doing what they're has to do when
they do it at a very high level. Yeah, no,
I mean Eddie Jackson is about Eddie Jackson is a
decent He separates himself quite a bit from the pack.
But Kevin Bayard and der and James are pretty close.
Same and then Harrison Smith right here. It's not like
a like they're not it's not all bunched at the

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top like the quarterbacks were. It's it's I mean, Jackson's
pretty darn good. But yeah, I mean, the funny thing
about this whole discussion as we wrap it is, you know,
you can't have a problem with any of it. All
of these players are great, Okay, problem with one. He's two,
not four, five, not three. It's like, okay, yeah, there
of the thirty two teams, here are the best three

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at it. But um, no question, Now I have very
little issue with with any of that. Well, I wanted
to come up with some people to like, like on
the on the upright, And it's gonna be interesting because
as we look towards free agency and towards the draft,
which you know, it's Senior Bowl week, so you can't
help but do that. It's gonna be interesting to see
where a lot of this is a really big free
agent year, so it's gonna be interesting. And then there's

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also some weird unicorns in the ether like leve Bell
and potentially Antonio Brown, right, so it's you know, like
some of these people were will probably have some good
notes at the beginning of next season about you know,
like who I'm I'm spending a lot of time this
offseason looking at specifically safeties and linebackers. I'm kind of
obsessed with That's like my new Oh, I'm always obsessed
with alignment, but now I'm like really looking into the

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safety and linebacker position because I'm so curious what the
evolution of defenses are now that we have these versatile
running backs like the Cameras and the Christian McCaffrey's of
the world that are really more past catchers than they
are you know, true true every down back, right like
you downhill running back. So it'll be interesting to see,
Like I'm I'm really curious to see like this safety

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position and the way that tight ends are using the
way that the past game is it evolved like that's
gonna be like where are some of these people end up?
And their opportunities can be severely limited or made greater
by what goes on with free agency rights. And I
think you just hit it on the head. The way
running backs are being used now. Uh, linebackers and safeties

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are so important. Yeah, you've got to have a linebacker.
They can get sidelined to sideline, can cover, can hit,
can can run support they have or else you're done.
I mean that that's it's just with these offenses that
you know that that look like high school offenses. Um,
it's crazy, you know how how things have changed and
how Yeah, like Derwin, Derwin is by far to me

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the steel of the draft, Like I said it where
it would have happened. And then I'm glad that at
least that one came true. If I'm going to make
all these predictions, dart it. But he's a steel of
the draft going as low as he did. I mean
it's still a first round pick, but going as low
as he did, the difference in the run game, specifically
this game this year was I mean, and you guys
lost a bunch of you know, tons of injuries in

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your secondary So it was interesting to see like that
those the type of people in the draft to keep
an eye on for right, Like, obviously you've got a
good passwords for sure, you need a passtors are great.
Go take the guy from Kentucky, you know, like hopefully
he goes in the a f C so that Josh
Allen can sack Josh Allen. I just want that to happen.
But apart from that narrative, you know, like of course
you need those guys, but like the guys were really

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gonna matter. It's like your linebacking and safety court, Like
that's going to be such a huge deal. Yeah, I'm
all over that question. Well, we will do that in
the off season. Next week we'll do our speaking speaking
of that. I hope, I hope we get I hope
we see some great people super Bowl week, we'll get
some good some good um interview. But thank you for downloading, listening,

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streaming all of those fun things. Will be back again
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