Baron Davis Opens Up About His Love for the Raiders, Bart Oatmeal Rap Persona, “We Believe” Warriors
December 3, 2025 • 37 mins
This week on the Off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast, Cam is joined by the 2x NBA All-Star, entrepreneur, and budding rapper Baron Davis. Baron shares how he became an avid Raiders fan, developed his Bart Oatmeal rap persona, and led the “We Believe” Warriors to their round one upset of the 1st Seeded Mavericks.
Cam and Baron also discuss what it was like playing on the Clippers under Donald Sterling, before Baron takes the opportunity to hard sell Cam on joining the Raiders.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
We back at it off the edge of me, your
host Cam Jordan. I'm blessing on her to be sitting
in rooms with greatness. You know, I think that uh,
not only is the NBA All Star? How only do
you play thirteen years in the league? Bakers doesn't uh
to be synonymous with the you know, the b D
part of Baron Davis. It's time for this week's Drive
(00:26):
for Success Conversation, presented by Toyota.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Let's go places investor Raptor.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I think we first met over you know, the crypto
chain a couple of years back, you know, host, documentarian, producer.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
What don't you do? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I just try, you know, try a little bit of everything. Yeah,
you know, see see what I'm good at?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Hey? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
That when I when I left being a Sons fan
for like there was I exiled myself because of a
particular player that I didn't like his movement and his category.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Not gonna say because he's I found out he's a
great person. Yes, usually they are.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I was like, I was like, I can't stand him.
I was like, oh he doesn't. He's actually a good player,
but I just couldn't. I went I went over to
the Raiders and you are not the rate of the Warriors.
And you was out there handling that that that rock.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You know what I'm saying. He was taking it down.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I was like, oh, the worst paradems of truth, you know.
But the old school or Warriors jerseys was. I was like,
you know, that's a fire color way. And then of
course after you was like Jared Jack and then it
was like mante Ellis and then they turned to this
guy Steph Steph Curry, and I was like, I'm going
back to my sons.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah. I was like no.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I was like, I don't believe his like she Cat's
always injured. I was like, you got it from where. No,
I'm back.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I don't go back.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You know, I'm a son's fan. I'm a glud for punishment,
you know. Man, be like, wait, we got to GYMPI shu.
Though we've had some things. Either way, I appreciate you,
bro for you know, everything that you've done your career.
Play thirteen, man, play beyond, just get into the league,
play thirteen.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah that's special. Man. It was.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I mean, and I would say I came into the league, hm,
you know, I was coming off an ACL injury. In
my freshman year. So my sophomore year was my next
year back. And then I came into the league. You know,
at the time, you know acl injuries, it was like, oh,
your career is over. We don't know what to do right,
(02:17):
But you know, I would say fortunately I was able
to play the first three years.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I made every game.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I played every game, and then like I shouldn't have slowly,
but surely you know your body just like if you
can ever get to you'll never get to one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
That's just like, that's just a fact.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Feel every athlete, you will never fill one hundred percent
of yourself.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Until the all season.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You're like, dang, yeah, until it's until it's over, you
know what I mean, until it's over. But when you're
coming back from injury, it's like, oh, one hundred percent
of the eighty percent that you feel. Because as soon
as you are eighty seventy five in my case, it
was like seventy sixty five. As soon as you show
that you all right, they want to put you back
in the game. And so to think about it, whenever
(03:04):
you are injured, if you had another two weeks.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
How much better would you have been? But the season ain't.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
But it's our fault, you know, as athletes, because we
want to do that. But you know, I'm just fortunate
to be able to play thirteen injuries back and you know,
just persevere through it all because the journey was and
the journey was the most important part, and you know
I got through that.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
We're gonna talk about that journey. I want to talk
about your sweatshirt. First, mister Bart Oatmeal just dropped dropped
his out. You know what I'm saying, album Still Cut
to the Big Apple. I was like, bro, I've seen
you know what if our mutual friends send me, send
me the album. I was like, wait, Baron okay. I
was like, tell me about it. Where do we get
Bart Oatmeal from.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Shout out to my son la here he named me
bartomel uh. And so I just created this whole, like
this legend, this comic book story, this comic series.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
He's around this character.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And second album, by the way, second album, Still Cut one,
I think I got.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, this is the shirt for steel Cut one. I
ain't got the merchant for still Cut too.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
But yeah, man, I was after I retired, I was like, damn, dude,
I don't know what to do. I'm going to start
trying to do things that I've always wanted to do it.
So I started making beats DJing, and nobody would wrap
to my beats. So I was like, well, so I
(04:36):
started rapping to the beats. And then my son, we were
playing around, he gave me the name Bart Oatmeal. So
I just took that name and ran with this whole
alter ego, kind of like a Batman comic, you know,
comic character, but he just make music. He worked at
a coffee shop during the day, Oatmeal Radio Cafe. It's
a real place. I got a real coffee shop, you know.
(04:58):
And then at night he makes music. No, I sit
here in l A. Oh yeah, you gotta come five
point oh maybe we have to. We have the best
coffee out here.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I don't partake in coffee.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I drink all right, we got I like all them.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
You know, you're an athlete. I mean, once you retired, you.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I always sounds like when I'm old enough, I'm gonna
drink the hell out some coffee. And then I was like,
the only thing I like is like the little the
sugar stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's really a milkshake. Like yeah, this coffee there, Yeah,
that's all.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I'm really just taking an insoluence spike.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But man, that's crazy. Who do you compare your style
to I'm about I'm about to be fully in.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Man, I would say nobody. Really, I'm just uh, you know,
I pay homage. Some people say my voice kind of
sound like a guru, So I take that, you know,
as as a high and sonor but uh, I would
say my style is just you know, I wrap all right,
(06:06):
uh sing the hooks. I'm just having fun. You can
tell I'm having fun. But everything has like a little
concept to it. So you know, shout out to Guru,
I would saying, So you do your own art, like, no,
this is the artist Eric Boullie. So I partner with artists,
and he's the artist for still Cut. So it's like
a comic series. So my goal is to make twelve
(06:28):
still Cut twelve and then it'll be like a whole comic. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You know, hey, man, I got a lot of time
on my hand.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
You know, I've heard about retiring, I said, with nothing
to do with with with a whole lot of you
find something, we're gonna go off the deep end and.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Then you come back once you come up. You're like, damn,
what can I do now? Dude, be like a little wait,
like start up a truck, fit do something. I'm telling
you gonna try it out.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
When I was on Dancing with the Stars, why because
I was like, hey, it would be cool to travel
the world and learn how the ballroom dance.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And so that was the only thing I needed to do.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
To convince that's how you got it? What you know
what I do want to pick up this, I will
go with the stars.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You should be on it. I turned it. I've turned
it down currently because I was like a couple years
ago we got that like, hey, do you want to go?
Absolutely not. I need you on that, dude, absolutely not.
Like I can do.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I have the idea that I can as sure. I
don't want somebody to tell me I can't. I know no,
that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
We can't. I couldn't. I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I think for football players it's it's an easier transfer
real yeah, and then with some basketball players you have
to like walk a certain way or like run and
move a certain way for you know, like to really
take yeah, you know take that take it into.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I thought for point guard it might be easier because
you know what I'm saying, like the flow, everything is
a flow.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And once you get into a flow.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I'm like a defensive lineman that point guard. They like,
walk on your toes toe here. I'm like, man, I
can't do that. I'm want to get in the defensive stands.
They're like, no, you gotta balance on one leg. Like
all your balance is shifting weight from one leg to
the next, one leg to the next. So it's like
(08:30):
it's a huge, huge, huge, huge, look I've seen.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
What do you think about that? And then you got
to move your arms, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
And also before sign.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
That way too much, think about that. They like, I
believe in Scott. I don't believe in me. Can't you
remember your sets? Bro? I did.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I had to remember steps for a bit I did
with Kirk Cousins and uh with the s p's one
year a couple of years ago, were like, let's call
it a quick little eight count, you know, and I
was like, I'm thinking about it. Oh no, And if
Honor's not the speaks in if Honors, I'm like, I'm like,
oh wait, did I forget it?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I got it, And by the time it was over,
I was like I still think. I was like, damn,
I missed that stuff. Yeah, exactly. That was my experience
on the Stars. I was like, damn, I missed a step,
I missed the move. And then you don't think about
the suit that I'm wearing.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I'm in this dope ass suit, but the material is
not is not material is rigid? Oh no, I'll say,
you know, you know, like the my man like do
the splits and touch his toes and suit I'm over
here like I got to stay with you the box
my movie look super rigid now and then back then
I got I got kirk coat chains out here out now,
(09:52):
I said, no, bro like he got like I've got
all the flavor.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
He was tice. So that's stiffing you up for sure. Man.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Talking about sports though, like you know you played basketball,
but you just said it. You know you alluded to
be a defensive player. What was what was your first love?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I would always say basketball was my first love. But
football was when I was really really good at when
I was growing up, Like I was really good at football,
and I was just like everybody thought I was so
small in basketball, you know, point guard. I'm the smallest
doe on the football field like I was a terear,
Like it don't matter how tall you are, as long
(10:31):
as you got that dog.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And if you was seven foot, I don't. I just
don't see you play found.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
For you don't think you don't think it's seven foot
that could play wide receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Jesus, you took Lebron and all his greatness and you
put him out of wide receiver. He make six games
tops when I tell you have no needs, no shoulders,
like that's taken out.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
That's the reason why the big ones don't last long.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Bro, you come over this middle and actually when he
in the league two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, oh you was dead dead? Did Manwaukee? Right?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Because they now now you probably have a better chance
because you know now the league, the league has protected
defensive players receiver. They've done their job to make sure
touchdowns will forever be king.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You would have took him to the two thousands. He
wouldn't made it two thousand and five. Okay, all right, bro,
Like we got a these two, I hear you, and
Russ Westbrook.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Is a hell of athlete. No, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I can see Russ probably playing corner corner, that's it.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
But six foot four corner happening, that's tough, not happening.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
But all he'd be like, you know, receiver, he could
be a receiver, but god, go across what position you play?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Safety? Cam Chancellor? He was coming.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Damn man, I'm trying to take somebody head. I'm trying
to get all right, I take the fine all that
you know. Don't come across this middle. Don't go deep.
If the ball, if you touch the ball, if you
come close to the ball here.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah. Bad. So he was out there looking like the
other bad Brian do. Yeah. Who is your favorite NFL
players growing up?
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Bo Jackson, Marcus Allen, Ronnie Lott, Random Cunningham.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I love Reggie White, yea, who else? Did I love?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Mike Singletary when I played Pop Warner. I used to
do that, like Mike said to the kids. And then
obviously you know, uh, Jerry Rice, I mean Jerry Rice
being a legend. I love every notother, everybody who came
through Notre Dame. Really yeah, I was a huge Notre
(12:40):
Dame fan Tony Rice. But okay, come on, man, I
mean that was the only we had a cable as
kid and Notre Dame came on every every week.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
For sure, they're gonna force another Dame issue.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, Tony Rice, I was wearing number nine when I
was quarterbacking, so I was locked in.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So not enough Raiders for me. I'm not gonna lie
to you. I was expecting some some some Raider greats
upop Tim Brown. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Tim Brown is my god, Charles Woods and I was like, definitely,
my god, how we long?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
There we go? Greg Townsend, you know what I mean?
The Raiders. I just I just assume there's gonna be some.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I thought you're saying, like all long time, I didn't
want to raider you out. I mean, we got some
Rater Rader business to discuss. We gotta follow up. We
haven't followed up conversation from the last time that we
sat out.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
No doubt, and you was you was promoted Raders big
fellow fro and you.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Completely you completely ignored. I feel like it fell on
deaf ears And I was like, you know what, not
right now?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Not right now? I ain't see said so you know,
so you know, we gotta talk about.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Where this were the support of the Raiders come from,
Like they growing up in l A. Yeah, Los Angeles,
Los Angeles Raiders.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
You know, they were low cool.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
They played at the coliseum, and you know out here
the Raiders is a swag. It's not just a football team.
It's like the swag. It's the hat, it's the jersey.
Like people wear Raider gear three sixty five facts. People
wear Raiders gear to the Laker game, to the Dodger
(14:20):
World Series. So it's you know, it's it's it's the gear.
Lifestyle lifesle Yeah. And then the mentality is almost like
an l A. You know, it was like an l
A mentality, an Oakland mentality, like the team adjusted to
the city when.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
They came here. Now it's a Vegas mentality.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I think it's a combination of LA and Oakland. We
just haven't figured out got to professionalize it.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
In Vegas, right. I was like, it's it's we're getting there.
We're getting very you know, like those Raiders. It's not
the same. And I get it, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You know, it's nice, it's professional.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
We gotta you know, just like you said, we we
gotta evolve and take that same mentality and how it
works and this new NFL.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, all right, you host the Raiders Talk of the
Nation show, Right, how do you feel about it?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
You know you sat down.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
You've been able to sit down the start of the
season this season by interviewing Mark Davis's first episode, like,
how's that going?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Man? That's crazy? Uh, you know, being being a fan. Yeah. Right.
You walk in the building, You're like, damn, dude, I
would love to work here for the Raiders. You're hired.
I'm like, what, let's go.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
So every day you know that I work, I'm I'm
I'm happy, I'm upbeat.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I'm just happy to be there.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
And so the opportunity and interview Mark Davis, he used
to sit on the floor at the Warrior game, so
when I will run out, I would always get you know, love, Yeah,
show Love's an opportunity like that being my first interview.
I've interviewed the Backstreet Boys, you know who, Max Crosby,
we sat down. So I've been kind of mixing it
(16:09):
up and it's great because it gives us, you know,
just it's for a fan, like I'm a true fan,
So I get to ask people questions. I get to
be a little naive, you know, I'm into the stories.
But it you know, I love what the Raiders did
because the Raiders organization, man is like the best organization,
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the way they treat their former players, they current players,
you know, staff, And so for me, this show is
really for the fans. Are people who want to become
a part of you know, part of the nation, like you, right,
so we need you.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
On.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
The Raiders don't hit as hard as Black and Goal.
I mean, and look, bro, you know I love New Orleans.
I played in New Orleans, you know, But I think
you should finish your career with the Raiders because once
a Raider, always a Raider, you know what I mean,
Like you ain't when you retire. Yeah, you're not going
(17:10):
to a Saints game, Oh.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
For sure, I am. I'm in there forever. Of course,
of course you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
But what I'm saying, when you go in the game,
they don't give you Lobster, don't give you prime, they
don't give you gear.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
When you walk in, we.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Get boot and baby, don't get man.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
They don't charter you places. They don't have a whole
suite for you, the whole alumni. You know, I'm not
I'm not saying New Orleans don't, but they ain't got
it because you know, I'll be over there now. The
Raiders you go back there, oh man, it's like, yeah,
you're still playing.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
You know what they do show a lot of love
to the level what I say, like different, but I see,
you know a lot of guys in there. You know,
I just over there. I would justin t them, let's
just go to die, like they got to get out
to go and go back to what you know, devout
Adams the Raiders, like I'm out and he still love
the Raters, does he ask him?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
No matter what type of time you.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Had, and you always like, yeah, you ain't gonna get
no better love from a.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Raiter fan like you. To include Pe Carroll.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Uh yeah, yeah, absolutely, like coach had a rival school
USC type.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Well the USC thing, we don't even yeah, we just
yeah you talking about that and see stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Okay, stay tuned, We'll be right back. How's your assessment
of the Raiders team this year?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You know what, I was very very optimistic coming into
the year. For very optimistic Carol. You got Pete Carroll,
we got news Gen Smith. Yeah, you know I loved
a p I love the way, like you know, I
just felt that he brought he brought a certain type
of meanness and grittiness. And then I thought, you know,
(19:10):
Pete could come in and just take what we had,
professionalize it, you know, and we gotta live with what
with what Pete?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
You know? And spy tech Bill.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, And so coming into the season, you look at
our picks. We we did good in the draft. We
have some good returning players. So I had high just
like all Rader fans, we got high expectations a year
or somehow. But what I will say about the Raiders, where.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Does his faith come from? Uh?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
You talked about the Super Bowls one in l A.
And that's that's the last one. That was a long
time ago. But you gotta have faith.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Hey, bro, you know right now, and I got faith.
You gotta have I got faith.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
You don't go out there you see.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Okay, we but it is different.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
But I you know, I thought that that and I
still think right just as a Raider fan, I'm always hopeful.
So when I'm looking at this season and thinking about,
like just as a professional athlete my career, how did
that feel?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
What did that feel like?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
New coast, new GM, new players, new players at all
the key positions that you.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Need minus the defense because you got Max Crossing. Yeah,
we got Max, but Bowers is his second year, you
know what I mean. And so.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, so you think about, Okay, a rookie comes in
and goes off the charts, but he's still a rookie.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
He still got to get acclimated to all the things.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Now, you got to get acclimated to a new coach,
new team, new quarterback after an explosive year, and you
got a new running back, and you got a new
coach and you got a new quarterbacks. So everything is
kind of new, and it's a lot of times it's
tough to change cities, right and adopt a whole new
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system and have a routine and figure out who you're
going to be because it's just a short window.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I look at the Raiders and I say, okay, our
record is what two and seven? We could easily be
you know, four and three or three and four. You know, well,
four and three for sure. I'm like, y'all, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Could easily be seven and three, and we're sitting at
two and eight.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I'm like, brother, we've been in this thing.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, every game, Right, you look at a couple, you know,
a block field goal, you know, just a couple like
it's almost like you a couple of plays away from
being in a different position and being able to fight
to earn your slot into like a playoff position or
to show promise during the season.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And so you know that can turn anyway. And I
look at.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
It as there's there's there's a lack of familiarity, right,
and there is an acceleration of trying to build system, camaraderie,
team talent, and discovery. So I'm rolling with the Raiders.
I'm not I'm mad at our record, right, but I'm
(22:23):
not mad at the at the effort at what we're
trying to get to, because we got you. Sometimes you
got to hit rock bottom or sometimes you gotta be
at the bottom to recognize yeah, man, And then when
you when you I remember in basketball, you're going to
eight game, five game loser streak and the coach walk
in the locker room and say, hey man, when you're
(22:44):
tired of losing, we.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Won't lose no more.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
And all that is is like figuring out how do
we finish these fourth quarters?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
How do you win games? What's as a unit exact
from here? What is our common cozi? Like, hey man,
we gotta go do something crazy, and.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So you not even something crazy like the nuances of
we're always in the game to the fourth quarter and
somewhere in the fourth quarter, this is, this is, this
is this is the penalties that we've had in the
fourth quarter versus the other team. Or this is the
turnovers that happened the fourth quarter versus the other team,
or this is where we don't get touchdowns and it's
just field goals and the other team is completing.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
For first down, a misstackle in first a miss assignment,
like I almost have the quarterback exact.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
There's always point, they point and he's like, dang, he's right,
you know. For like for the Saints, like for some reason.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
We start off slow, but we're en hot, but we're
coming out of a hole second quarter.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, like no, if we can get the lead. In fact,
the two games we've gotten the lead, bingo, that's our wins. Ingo.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So it is figuring out, you know, are are we
a hot starting team? And came finished? Are we good
to the third quarter? Came finished?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
You know? Are we arable? You know? Uh? In the beginning, and.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I think you need to go ahead and give him
the speech that we believe speech from back of the gap. Ye.
When Obama came through, everybody had to believe. I was
still like, I was still like I was back at
being a Sun's fan, but I was still a part
of the Warriors.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I was like, you have to we believe. I was like, yo,
we believe. It's tough.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I was like, you said, you got to sort of
take that back to the retality. Tell me about that,
tell me like, like just it was my my lambot,
my range er was black, my Lambo's blue, my president president.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Black, the Warriors, Warriors had that. We believe. I was
going crazy. What happened for you guys to take over
that way? We people gave up on us. Mhm.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Nelly literally said he walked in the locker room and
he was like, man, you know, I am happy we
make the trade.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
You know, we just finished out the season. See what
we got.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
But like you know, I do like the pieces that
we have here in the team that we have here,
but I don't expect anything.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
We're not going to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
You know, let's just figure out, you know, how we
can get some chemistry and see what we look like
head him into the season.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
He said, this preseason.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Man, he said this during the middle of the season.
I was, oh, yeah, y'all was in the in the ringer.
Y'all was in the middle of the fight.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Man. We had just come out of All Start.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
We just made the trade, and then like we were like,
really not that good.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I get hurt.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
And so when he said that, I was like, man, well,
I might as well just get this little surgery on
my knee right before All Start weekend, so at least
I can come back and you know, we can finish
the last twenty twenty five games strong. And so when
I came back, I was like, look, man, we like
to party, we like to hang out, we like to
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have a good time. How about we take everything how
cool we are here, and let's act like that on
the court, right, Let's take the club, right, let's take
this big, let's take.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
All that, and now that's who you are.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
And so we start giving each other nicknames and sticking
to the nicknames and persona and we were just like
really building that chemistry through a persona.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Like we're young.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
We were young, were small, we scrappy, but you ain't
gonna punk us, you know what I mean? We were
going to the hole. We're gonna dunk. We're gonna do
whatever we want to do out here, and we're gonna
make y'all have to figure out who's the right person
that's gonna beat.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Us, Right, y'all squeaked into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah, we squeaked into the We won like twenty three
twenty We went like twenty three and four something like
that to get in the.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Playoffs, and then we wound up playing Dallas.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
And you know, Dallas was a team that we were
we had beat before the trade, so we had Dallas
number for some strange reason, and the world was like nah.
Soon as soon as we saw we had Dallas. I
never forget. Nellie came into practice and I've never seen
him this alert in his life, and he was like, Yeah,
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we're gonna beat them. Don't say nothing in the media.
This is how we're gonna beat them. Right, be humble
and do not be cocky. Just basically just says, if
all they props, were gonna beat them, and when we
beat them, give them props. Just keep giving props, keep
giving them props. And when we sat down, we knew
(27:35):
one we wanted. We wanted to play Dallas because Dallas
could have eliminated us by beating the Clippers and choosing
to play the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
They chose to play all their starters.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
They beat the Clippers, then they sat all the starters
against us. So for us, we coming into the game
to the arena like, oh, it's cracking, dude, Like my
whole season about to be making break on this game.
We got the number one team, you know what I mean,
it's prime time, man. Let's let's let's go. Either I'm
gonna be put out my misery or we gonna make
(28:08):
or we if we win this game, we gotta win
one more to make the playoffs. And when we got
to the game, we saw they scratched all the dudes,
no dirt, disrespect, no Jason Terry.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
What hey, bro, what are y'all saying? No jets jets crazy?
They was all in street clubs. So we got pissed.
Oh man, this is how y'all gonna treat us.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Y'all get serious, y'all, y'all ain't gonna come up with
the whole during the game.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You know we're blowing them out.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
But during the game, every time we scored, were looking
over there like, man, it's like oh y'all want this,
y'all want let us take care of this this next game, y'all.
You know this we got and this is what y'all wanted. Dog,
this is what y'all wanted. Y'all hell of disrespectful, you know. Yah,
y'all held absolute chip on the shoulder hood of us
out our misery come, you know, yeah, with your full arsenal,
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absolutely respect me as a man like.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
We in this ring.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I don't been in games where you know, you gotta
win the game and make it in the playoffs, and like,
you know, that's I think that's what your career, that's
what careers, how careers get made, right, And so you know,
fortunately they did no doubt around the first around that
that they couldn't match up with us.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
All right, Oh Sam, I just got to college. I remember,
like I'm in that thing. I was like, man, it
goes crazy. Uh, y'all y'all beat them. Then, you know,
the next round then we lost to Utah. But yeah,
but you had that stupid though.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
He was like it was it was one of them
poster joints on the big fell over there. It was
a moment, Oh my gosh, you you dumped over what
was a big dude over there care Lincoln, but no doubt.
All right, I'm thinking about, Uh, what's it like, you know,
playing in LA with the Clippers go back to the
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crib man.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
That was crazy because Donald Staling was still an owner.
Uh that was some crazy times.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Man.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I I was like the first time in my career
where I felt like.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
This is this is not the NBA. It's like the NBA.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
And then whatever the hell we doing over here was
like masquerading as an NBA team, And so it was
just it was chaos, Like it was hard to play
at home because you know, Mike Dunleavy, the coach, Mike
Dunlevy called out plays every time.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Hey passable to him?
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Hey like he over there that whole drive man backseat driver,
Hey hedmn there he got his hand.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
On the wheel. I got he got his hand on
the wheel.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
The whole time. So it's you know, I'm a point guard,
I'm Mark. I know how to affect the game the
way I play. But it was for him, he was
really about like he wanted he wanted control, so he
wanted certain players to sean or he won certain players
(31:15):
to get the ball so he can go and say, well,
you know, Baron's not doing this, but this guy is
doing this. But it's like, okay, he wouldn't be doing
that if he didn't right get the ball. So I
kind of struggled my first year. Then my second year,
I had a really good year with the Clippers. I
think it was probably one of the most underrated years
I had. And then you know, I got traded. We
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started the Live City. I always tell people, like, you know,
we beat was the point guard when Love City Star started, right,
we was throwing lobs. They din weren't even throwing lives.
And they you know, got really good. They got really good,
start playing basketball, kicking people ass.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
But like the Clippers, it was cool. I got a
chance to be home. It was it was weird and
different cool.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Because in terms of l A, we know the effects
that you know, there's the Lakers, right and then little
bro Clippers.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah, like we was a little bro but we was
we was we wanted accepting it. When I got to
the Clippers, we want accepting a little bro thing.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
We was trying to beat the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
And you know, the Clippers were always the laughing stock
of l A. When they when the Clippers and the
Lakers played, and so I remember sitting in the locker
and I was like, man, if we can become good
enough to beat these dudes and stand up to these dudes,
you know, like we can carve our space for ourselves.
He was guarding Fisher at the time. No, Kobe would.
(32:46):
I used to have to guard all the top dogs.
And you know, I'm a little dude.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Kobe on team Mac Brandon Roy in La alone, you
are the Clippers, you gotta guard guard Kobe? Did it
hit different La La? At the crib going against the
crib team?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Nah?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I mean it was fun like I always, you know,
like one thing, when it was time to play against
the Lakers, I was I was gonna do it my way,
you know what I mean, I was gonna do it
my way because I one just the ultimate respect for
like Kobe and the Lakers, and obviously growing up in
LA being a Laker, you always want to put on
(33:29):
when you play for the Lakers. You know, it's Baron
Davis fans, but it's also a Laker fans. So people
was rooting for me that way, and we just needed
to be able to stand up to him. So, you know,
if I show that I can get with Kobe or
I'm having a good game and I'm not you know,
like I'm not intimidated, and it would kind of start value. Yeah,
(33:50):
because you know, sports is just a little bit of
confidence and you never know who's gonna show up to
be the turning point at the game. And so we
start actually like winning some of the games against the Lakers,
little fights skirvishes at the end of the game, Hey facts,
you know. Yeah, we started to like take this little
(34:11):
bro like, yeah, we're not getting punk no more, right,
And so I think it built a fight for the Clippers,
which then start to build a rivalry. And now the
Clippers are, you know, have won the majority of the
rival games over.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
The last three or four years.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I'm glad to hear that because I'm a Laker hater,
you know imhood. You know, I say, we already know
you got the you know, the host, the TV host,
the pod for the Raiders, You've got the you know,
you've got the music dropping.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
What else you got going on? I mean, like I said,
we talked. We first met with over some cryptos. Yeah,
we was talking about crypto. Uh, what am I working on?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Man?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I'm just really working on on the business side, just
bringing in athletes, entrepreneurs c suite so you know, kind
of running my own venture studio, and my platform is
called Business Inside the Game. So I built this membership
collective and membership club for investors, athletes, so everybody can
(35:17):
have kind of like a cool just how we build right,
everybody cool, everybody successful and like the best way you
get deals or the best way you get the best advice. Yeah,
being a collective and seeking the advice of masterminds. So
I've been playing these like Mastermind retreats and going all
(35:37):
over there.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
You know you ain't never told me nothing about no Mess.
I'm not a mastermind yet that he was this un
season bro.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, yeah, I got one set up. We'll do a
Mastermind retreat. Yeah, I let you speak. I don't want
to speak.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I want to learn.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I'm trying to make some money. You. I need you
a smart one dog.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
You got to be worth about a book twelve four.
I want to I don't want to just have it.
I want to be in like I want whenever I want.
You know what I'm saying to then I'm sorry with me, wife, folk, kids.
We get two rows.
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Speaker 4 (37:13):
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Here we go.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
We back at it off the edge of me, your
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for Success Conversation, presented by Toyota.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Let's go places investor Raptor.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
I think we first met over you know, the crypto
chain a couple of years back, you know, host, documentarian, producer.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
What don't you do? Man?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
I just try, you know, try a little bit of everything. Yeah,
you know, see see what I'm good at?
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Hey? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:47):
That when I when I left being a Sons fan
for like there was I exiled myself because of a
particular player that I didn't like his movement and his category.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Not gonna say because he's I found out he's a
great person. Yes, usually they are.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Man.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
I was like, I was like, I can't stand him.
I was like, oh he doesn't. He's actually a good player,
but I just couldn't. I went I went over to
the Raiders and you are not the rate of the Warriors.
And you was out there handling that that that rock.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
You know what I'm saying. He was taking it down.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I was like, oh, the worst paradems of truth, you know.
But the old school or Warriors jerseys was. I was like,
you know, that's a fire color way. And then of
course after you was like Jared Jack and then it
was like mante Ellis and then they turned to this
guy Steph Steph Curry, and I was like, I'm going
back to my sons.
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Yeah. I was like no.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
I was like, I don't believe his like she Cat's
always injured. I was like, you got it from where. No,
I'm back.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
I don't go back.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You know, I'm a son's fan. I'm a glud for punishment,
you know. Man, be like, wait, we got to GYMPI shu.
Though we've had some things. Either way, I appreciate you,
bro for you know, everything that you've done your career.
Play thirteen, man, play beyond, just get into the league,
play thirteen.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yeah that's special. Man. It was.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I mean, and I would say I came into the league, hm,
you know, I was coming off an ACL injury. In
my freshman year. So my sophomore year was my next
year back. And then I came into the league. You know,
at the time, you know acl injuries, it was like, oh,
your career is over. We don't know what to do right,
(02:17):
But you know, I would say fortunately I was able
to play the first three years.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
I made every game.
Speaker 3 (02:23):
I played every game, and then like I shouldn't have slowly,
but surely you know your body just like if you
can ever get to you'll never get to one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
That's just like, that's just a fact.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Feel every athlete, you will never fill one hundred percent
of yourself.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Until the all season.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
You're like, dang, yeah, until it's until it's over, you
know what I mean, until it's over. But when you're
coming back from injury, it's like, oh, one hundred percent
of the eighty percent that you feel. Because as soon
as you are eighty seventy five in my case, it
was like seventy sixty five. As soon as you show
that you all right, they want to put you back
in the game. And so to think about it, whenever
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you are injured, if you had another two weeks.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
How much better would you have been? But the season ain't.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
But it's our fault, you know, as athletes, because we
want to do that. But you know, I'm just fortunate
to be able to play thirteen injuries back and you know,
just persevere through it all because the journey was and
the journey was the most important part, and you know
I got through that.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
We're gonna talk about that journey. I want to talk
about your sweatshirt. First, mister Bart Oatmeal just dropped dropped
his out. You know what I'm saying, album Still Cut
to the Big Apple. I was like, bro, I've seen
you know what if our mutual friends send me, send
me the album. I was like, wait, Baron okay. I
was like, tell me about it. Where do we get
Bart Oatmeal from.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Shout out to my son la here he named me
bartomel uh. And so I just created this whole, like
this legend, this comic book story, this comic series.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
He's around this character.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And second album, by the way, second album, Still Cut one,
I think I got.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, this is the shirt for steel Cut one. I
ain't got the merchant for still Cut too.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
But yeah, man, I was after I retired, I was like, damn, dude,
I don't know what to do. I'm going to start
trying to do things that I've always wanted to do it.
So I started making beats DJing, and nobody would wrap
to my beats. So I was like, well, so I
(04:36):
started rapping to the beats. And then my son, we were
playing around, he gave me the name Bart Oatmeal. So
I just took that name and ran with this whole
alter ego, kind of like a Batman comic, you know,
comic character, but he just make music. He worked at
a coffee shop during the day, Oatmeal Radio Cafe. It's
a real place. I got a real coffee shop, you know.
(04:58):
And then at night he makes music. No, I sit
here in l A. Oh yeah, you gotta come five
point oh maybe we have to. We have the best
coffee out here.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
I don't partake in coffee.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
I drink all right, we got I like all them.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
You know, you're an athlete. I mean, once you retired, you.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I always sounds like when I'm old enough, I'm gonna
drink the hell out some coffee. And then I was like,
the only thing I like is like the little the
sugar stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
It's really a milkshake. Like yeah, this coffee there, Yeah,
that's all.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
I'm really just taking an insoluence spike.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
But man, that's crazy. Who do you compare your style
to I'm about I'm about to be fully in.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Man, I would say nobody. Really, I'm just uh, you know,
I pay homage. Some people say my voice kind of
sound like a guru, So I take that, you know,
as as a high and sonor but uh, I would
say my style is just you know, I wrap all right,
(06:06):
uh sing the hooks. I'm just having fun. You can
tell I'm having fun. But everything has like a little
concept to it. So you know, shout out to Guru,
I would saying, So you do your own art, like, no,
this is the artist Eric Boullie. So I partner with artists,
and he's the artist for still Cut. So it's like
a comic series. So my goal is to make twelve
(06:28):
still Cut twelve and then it'll be like a whole comic. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
You know, hey, man, I got a lot of time
on my hand.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
You know, I've heard about retiring, I said, with nothing
to do with with with a whole lot of you
find something, we're gonna go off the deep end and.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Then you come back once you come up. You're like, damn,
what can I do now? Dude, be like a little wait,
like start up a truck, fit do something. I'm telling
you gonna try it out.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
When I was on Dancing with the Stars, why because
I was like, hey, it would be cool to travel
the world and learn how the ballroom dance.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
And so that was the only thing I needed to do.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
To convince that's how you got it? What you know
what I do want to pick up this, I will
go with the stars.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
You should be on it. I turned it. I've turned
it down currently because I was like a couple years
ago we got that like, hey, do you want to go?
Absolutely not. I need you on that, dude, absolutely not.
Like I can do.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
I have the idea that I can as sure. I
don't want somebody to tell me I can't. I know no,
that's the thing.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
We can't. I couldn't. I couldn't.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
I think for football players it's it's an easier transfer
real yeah, and then with some basketball players you have
to like walk a certain way or like run and
move a certain way for you know, like to really
take yeah, you know take that take it into.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
I thought for point guard it might be easier because
you know what I'm saying, like the flow, everything is
a flow.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And once you get into a flow.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
I'm like a defensive lineman that point guard. They like,
walk on your toes toe here. I'm like, man, I
can't do that. I'm want to get in the defensive stands.
They're like, no, you gotta balance on one leg. Like
all your balance is shifting weight from one leg to
the next, one leg to the next. So it's like
(08:30):
it's a huge, huge, huge, huge, look I've seen.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
What do you think about that? And then you got
to move your arms, no doubt.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
And also before sign.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
That way too much, think about that. They like, I
believe in Scott. I don't believe in me. Can't you
remember your sets? Bro? I did.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I had to remember steps for a bit I did
with Kirk Cousins and uh with the s p's one
year a couple of years ago, were like, let's call
it a quick little eight count, you know, and I
was like, I'm thinking about it. Oh no, And if
Honor's not the speaks in if Honors, I'm like, I'm like,
oh wait, did I forget it?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I got it, And by the time it was over,
I was like I still think. I was like, damn,
I missed that stuff. Yeah, exactly. That was my experience
on the Stars. I was like, damn, I missed a step,
I missed the move. And then you don't think about
the suit that I'm wearing.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I'm in this dope ass suit, but the material is
not is not material is rigid? Oh no, I'll say,
you know, you know, like the my man like do
the splits and touch his toes and suit I'm over
here like I got to stay with you the box
my movie look super rigid now and then back then
I got I got kirk coat chains out here out now,
(09:52):
I said, no, bro like he got like I've got
all the flavor.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
He was tice. So that's stiffing you up for sure. Man.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Talking about sports though, like you know you played basketball,
but you just said it. You know you alluded to
be a defensive player. What was what was your first love?
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:11):
I would always say basketball was my first love. But
football was when I was really really good at when
I was growing up, Like I was really good at football,
and I was just like everybody thought I was so
small in basketball, you know, point guard. I'm the smallest
doe on the football field like I was a terear,
Like it don't matter how tall you are, as long
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as you got that dog.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
And if you was seven foot, I don't. I just
don't see you play found.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
For you don't think you don't think it's seven foot
that could play wide receiver in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
Jesus, you took Lebron and all his greatness and you
put him out of wide receiver. He make six games
tops when I tell you have no needs, no shoulders,
like that's taken out.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
That's the reason why the big ones don't last long.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Bro, you come over this middle and actually when he
in the league two thousand and three.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah, oh you was dead dead? Did Manwaukee? Right?
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Because they now now you probably have a better chance
because you know now the league, the league has protected
defensive players receiver. They've done their job to make sure
touchdowns will forever be king.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
But absolutely not.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
You would have took him to the two thousands. He
wouldn't made it two thousand and five. Okay, all right, bro,
Like we got a these two, I hear you, and
Russ Westbrook.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Is a hell of athlete. No, I don't, I don't.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I can see Russ probably playing corner corner, that's it.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
But six foot four corner happening, that's tough, not happening.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
But all he'd be like, you know, receiver, he could
be a receiver, but god, go across what position you play?
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Safety? Cam Chancellor? He was coming.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
Damn man, I'm trying to take somebody head. I'm trying
to get all right, I take the fine all that
you know. Don't come across this middle. Don't go deep.
If the ball, if you touch the ball, if you
come close to the ball here.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah. Bad. So he was out there looking like the
other bad Brian do. Yeah. Who is your favorite NFL
players growing up?
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Bo Jackson, Marcus Allen, Ronnie Lott, Random Cunningham.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I love Reggie White, yea, who else? Did I love?
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Mike Singletary when I played Pop Warner. I used to
do that, like Mike said to the kids. And then
obviously you know, uh, Jerry Rice, I mean Jerry Rice
being a legend. I love every notother, everybody who came
through Notre Dame. Really yeah, I was a huge Notre
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Dame fan Tony Rice. But okay, come on, man, I
mean that was the only we had a cable as
kid and Notre Dame came on every every week.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
For sure, they're gonna force another Dame issue.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah, Tony Rice, I was wearing number nine when I
was quarterbacking, so I was locked in.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
So not enough Raiders for me. I'm not gonna lie
to you. I was expecting some some some Raider greats
upop Tim Brown. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Tim Brown is my god, Charles Woods and I was like, definitely,
my god, how we long?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
There we go? Greg Townsend, you know what I mean?
The Raiders. I just I just assume there's gonna be some.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
I thought you're saying, like all long time, I didn't
want to raider you out. I mean, we got some
Rater Rader business to discuss. We gotta follow up. We
haven't followed up conversation from the last time that we
sat out.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
No doubt, and you was you was promoted Raders big
fellow fro and you.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Completely you completely ignored. I feel like it fell on
deaf ears And I was like, you know what, not
right now?
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Not right now? I ain't see said so you know,
so you know, we gotta talk about.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Where this were the support of the Raiders come from,
Like they growing up in l A. Yeah, Los Angeles,
Los Angeles Raiders.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
You know, they were low cool.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
They played at the coliseum, and you know out here
the Raiders is a swag. It's not just a football team.
It's like the swag. It's the hat, it's the jersey.
Like people wear Raider gear three sixty five facts. People
wear Raiders gear to the Laker game, to the Dodger
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World Series. So it's you know, it's it's it's the gear.
Lifestyle lifesle Yeah. And then the mentality is almost like
an l A. You know, it was like an l
A mentality, an Oakland mentality, like the team adjusted to
the city when.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
They came here. Now it's a Vegas mentality.
Speaker 3 (14:40):
I think it's a combination of LA and Oakland. We
just haven't figured out got to professionalize it.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
In Vegas, right. I was like, it's it's we're getting there.
We're getting very you know, like those Raiders. It's not
the same. And I get it, I don't.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
You know, it's nice, it's professional.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
We gotta you know, just like you said, we we
gotta evolve and take that same mentality and how it
works and this new NFL.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Yeah, all right, you host the Raiders Talk of the
Nation show, Right, how do you feel about it?
Speaker 1 (15:20):
You know you sat down.
Speaker 2 (15:21):
You've been able to sit down the start of the
season this season by interviewing Mark Davis's first episode, like,
how's that going?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Man? That's crazy? Uh, you know, being being a fan. Yeah. Right.
You walk in the building, You're like, damn, dude, I
would love to work here for the Raiders. You're hired.
I'm like, what, let's go.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
So every day you know that I work, I'm I'm
I'm happy, I'm upbeat.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I'm just happy to be there.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
And so the opportunity and interview Mark Davis, he used
to sit on the floor at the Warrior game, so
when I will run out, I would always get you know, love, Yeah,
show Love's an opportunity like that being my first interview.
I've interviewed the Backstreet Boys, you know who, Max Crosby,
we sat down. So I've been kind of mixing it
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up and it's great because it gives us, you know,
just it's for a fan, like I'm a true fan,
So I get to ask people questions. I get to
be a little naive, you know, I'm into the stories.
But it you know, I love what the Raiders did
because the Raiders organization, man is like the best organization,
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the way they treat their former players, they current players,
you know, staff, And so for me, this show is
really for the fans. Are people who want to become
a part of you know, part of the nation, like you, right,
so we need you.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
On.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
The Raiders don't hit as hard as Black and Goal.
I mean, and look, bro, you know I love New Orleans.
I played in New Orleans, you know, But I think
you should finish your career with the Raiders because once
a Raider, always a Raider, you know what I mean,
Like you ain't when you retire. Yeah, you're not going
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to a Saints game, Oh.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
For sure, I am. I'm in there forever. Of course,
of course you're gonna.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
But what I'm saying, when you go in the game,
they don't give you Lobster, don't give you prime, they
don't give you gear.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
When you walk in, we.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Get boot and baby, don't get man.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
They don't charter you places. They don't have a whole
suite for you, the whole alumni. You know, I'm not
I'm not saying New Orleans don't, but they ain't got
it because you know, I'll be over there now. The
Raiders you go back there, oh man, it's like, yeah,
you're still playing.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
You know what they do show a lot of love
to the level what I say, like different, but I see,
you know a lot of guys in there. You know,
I just over there. I would justin t them, let's
just go to die, like they got to get out
to go and go back to what you know, devout
Adams the Raiders, like I'm out and he still love
the Raters, does he ask him?
Speaker 1 (18:10):
No matter what type of time you.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Had, and you always like, yeah, you ain't gonna get
no better love from a.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Raiter fan like you. To include Pe Carroll.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
Uh yeah, yeah, absolutely, like coach had a rival school
USC type.
Speaker 5 (18:29):
Well the USC thing, we don't even yeah, we just
yeah you talking about that and see stuff.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Okay, stay tuned, We'll be right back. How's your assessment
of the Raiders team this year?
Speaker 3 (18:49):
You know what, I was very very optimistic coming into
the year. For very optimistic Carol. You got Pete Carroll,
we got news Gen Smith. Yeah, you know I loved
a p I love the way, like you know, I
just felt that he brought he brought a certain type
of meanness and grittiness. And then I thought, you know,
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Pete could come in and just take what we had,
professionalize it, you know, and we gotta live with what
with what Pete?
Speaker 1 (19:17):
You know? And spy tech Bill.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Yeah, And so coming into the season, you look at
our picks. We we did good in the draft. We
have some good returning players. So I had high just
like all Rader fans, we got high expectations a year
or somehow. But what I will say about the Raiders, where.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
Does his faith come from? Uh?
Speaker 2 (19:39):
You talked about the Super Bowls one in l A.
And that's that's the last one. That was a long
time ago. But you gotta have faith.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Hey, bro, you know right now, and I got faith.
You gotta have I got faith.
Speaker 2 (19:54):
You don't go out there you see.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Okay, we but it is different.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
But I you know, I thought that that and I
still think right just as a Raider fan, I'm always hopeful.
So when I'm looking at this season and thinking about,
like just as a professional athlete my career, how did
that feel?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
What did that feel like?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
New coast, new GM, new players, new players at all
the key positions that you.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Need minus the defense because you got Max Crossing. Yeah,
we got Max, but Bowers is his second year, you
know what I mean. And so.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Yeah, so you think about, Okay, a rookie comes in
and goes off the charts, but he's still a rookie.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
He still got to get acclimated to all the things.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Now, you got to get acclimated to a new coach,
new team, new quarterback after an explosive year, and you
got a new running back, and you got a new
coach and you got a new quarterbacks. So everything is
kind of new, and it's a lot of times it's
tough to change cities, right and adopt a whole new
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system and have a routine and figure out who you're
going to be because it's just a short window.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
Now.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I look at the Raiders and I say, okay, our
record is what two and seven? We could easily be
you know, four and three or three and four. You know, well,
four and three for sure. I'm like, y'all, yeah, we.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Could easily be seven and three, and we're sitting at
two and eight.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I'm like, brother, we've been in this thing.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Yeah, every game, Right, you look at a couple, you know,
a block field goal, you know, just a couple like
it's almost like you a couple of plays away from
being in a different position and being able to fight
to earn your slot into like a playoff position or
to show promise during the season.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
And so you know that can turn anyway. And I
look at.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
It as there's there's there's a lack of familiarity, right,
and there is an acceleration of trying to build system, camaraderie,
team talent, and discovery. So I'm rolling with the Raiders.
I'm not I'm mad at our record, right, but I'm
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not mad at the at the effort at what we're
trying to get to, because we got you. Sometimes you
got to hit rock bottom or sometimes you gotta be
at the bottom to recognize yeah, man, And then when
you when you I remember in basketball, you're going to
eight game, five game loser streak and the coach walk
in the locker room and say, hey man, when you're
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tired of losing, we.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Won't lose no more.
Speaker 3 (22:48):
And all that is is like figuring out how do
we finish these fourth quarters?
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Right?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
How do you win games? What's as a unit exact
from here? What is our common cozi? Like, hey man,
we gotta go do something crazy, and.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
So you not even something crazy like the nuances of
we're always in the game to the fourth quarter and
somewhere in the fourth quarter, this is, this is, this
is this is the penalties that we've had in the
fourth quarter versus the other team. Or this is the
turnovers that happened the fourth quarter versus the other team,
or this is where we don't get touchdowns and it's
just field goals and the other team is completing.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
For first down, a misstackle in first a miss assignment,
like I almost have the quarterback exact.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
There's always point, they point and he's like, dang, he's right,
you know. For like for the Saints, like for some reason.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
We start off slow, but we're en hot, but we're
coming out of a hole second quarter.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
Yeah, like no, if we can get the lead. In fact,
the two games we've gotten the lead, bingo, that's our wins. Ingo.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
So it is figuring out, you know, are are we
a hot starting team? And came finished? Are we good
to the third quarter? Came finished?
Speaker 1 (23:58):
You know? Are we arable? You know? Uh? In the beginning, and.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
I think you need to go ahead and give him
the speech that we believe speech from back of the gap. Ye.
When Obama came through, everybody had to believe. I was
still like, I was still like I was back at
being a Sun's fan, but I was still a part
of the Warriors.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I was like, you have to we believe. I was like, yo,
we believe. It's tough.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
I was like, you said, you got to sort of
take that back to the retality. Tell me about that,
tell me like, like just it was my my lambot,
my range er was black, my Lambo's blue, my president president.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Black, the Warriors, Warriors had that. We believe. I was
going crazy. What happened for you guys to take over
that way? We people gave up on us. Mhm.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Nelly literally said he walked in the locker room and
he was like, man, you know, I am happy we
make the trade.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
You know, we just finished out the season. See what
we got.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
But like you know, I do like the pieces that
we have here in the team that we have here,
but I don't expect anything.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
We're not going to make the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
You know, let's just figure out, you know, how we
can get some chemistry and see what we look like
head him into the season.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
He said, this preseason.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Man, he said this during the middle of the season.
I was, oh, yeah, y'all was in the in the ringer.
Y'all was in the middle of the fight.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Man. We had just come out of All Start.
Speaker 3 (25:28):
We just made the trade, and then like we were like,
really not that good.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
I get hurt.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
And so when he said that, I was like, man, well,
I might as well just get this little surgery on
my knee right before All Start weekend, so at least
I can come back and you know, we can finish
the last twenty twenty five games strong. And so when
I came back, I was like, look, man, we like
to party, we like to hang out, we like to
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have a good time. How about we take everything how
cool we are here, and let's act like that on
the court, right, Let's take the club, right, let's take
this big, let's take.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
All that, and now that's who you are.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
And so we start giving each other nicknames and sticking
to the nicknames and persona and we were just like
really building that chemistry through a persona.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Like we're young.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
We were young, were small, we scrappy, but you ain't
gonna punk us, you know what I mean? We were
going to the hole. We're gonna dunk. We're gonna do
whatever we want to do out here, and we're gonna
make y'all have to figure out who's the right person
that's gonna beat.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Us, Right, y'all squeaked into the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Yeah, we squeaked into the We won like twenty three
twenty We went like twenty three and four something like
that to get in the.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Playoffs, and then we wound up playing Dallas.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
And you know, Dallas was a team that we were
we had beat before the trade, so we had Dallas
number for some strange reason, and the world was like nah.
Soon as soon as we saw we had Dallas. I
never forget. Nellie came into practice and I've never seen
him this alert in his life, and he was like, Yeah,
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we're gonna beat them. Don't say nothing in the media.
This is how we're gonna beat them. Right, be humble
and do not be cocky. Just basically just says, if
all they props, were gonna beat them, and when we
beat them, give them props. Just keep giving props, keep
giving them props. And when we sat down, we knew
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one we wanted. We wanted to play Dallas because Dallas
could have eliminated us by beating the Clippers and choosing
to play the Clippers.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
They chose to play all their starters.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
They beat the Clippers, then they sat all the starters
against us. So for us, we coming into the game
to the arena like, oh, it's cracking, dude, Like my
whole season about to be making break on this game.
We got the number one team, you know what I mean,
it's prime time, man. Let's let's let's go. Either I'm
gonna be put out my misery or we gonna make
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or we if we win this game, we gotta win
one more to make the playoffs. And when we got
to the game, we saw they scratched all the dudes,
no dirt, disrespect, no Jason Terry.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
What hey, bro, what are y'all saying? No jets jets crazy?
They was all in street clubs. So we got pissed.
Oh man, this is how y'all gonna treat us.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Y'all get serious, y'all, y'all ain't gonna come up with
the whole during the game.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You know we're blowing them out.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
But during the game, every time we scored, were looking
over there like, man, it's like oh y'all want this,
y'all want let us take care of this this next game, y'all.
You know this we got and this is what y'all wanted. Dog,
this is what y'all wanted. Y'all hell of disrespectful, you know. Yah,
y'all held absolute chip on the shoulder hood of us
out our misery come, you know, yeah, with your full arsenal,
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absolutely respect me as a man like.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
We in this ring.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
I don't been in games where you know, you gotta
win the game and make it in the playoffs, and like,
you know, that's I think that's what your career, that's
what careers, how careers get made, right, And so you know,
fortunately they did no doubt around the first around that
that they couldn't match up with us.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
All right, Oh Sam, I just got to college. I remember,
like I'm in that thing. I was like, man, it
goes crazy. Uh, y'all y'all beat them. Then, you know,
the next round then we lost to Utah. But yeah,
but you had that stupid though.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
He was like it was it was one of them
poster joints on the big fell over there. It was
a moment, Oh my gosh, you you dumped over what
was a big dude over there care Lincoln, but no doubt.
All right, I'm thinking about, Uh, what's it like, you know,
playing in LA with the Clippers go back to the
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crib man.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
That was crazy because Donald Staling was still an owner.
Uh that was some crazy times.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Man.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I I was like the first time in my career
where I felt like.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
This is this is not the NBA. It's like the NBA.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
And then whatever the hell we doing over here was
like masquerading as an NBA team, And so it was
just it was chaos, Like it was hard to play
at home because you know, Mike Dunleavy, the coach, Mike
Dunlevy called out plays every time.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Hey passable to him?
Speaker 3 (30:42):
Hey like he over there that whole drive man backseat driver,
Hey hedmn there he got his hand.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
On the wheel. I got he got his hand on
the wheel.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
The whole time. So it's you know, I'm a point guard,
I'm Mark. I know how to affect the game the
way I play. But it was for him, he was
really about like he wanted he wanted control, so he
wanted certain players to sean or he won certain players
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to get the ball so he can go and say, well,
you know, Baron's not doing this, but this guy is
doing this. But it's like, okay, he wouldn't be doing
that if he didn't right get the ball. So I
kind of struggled my first year. Then my second year,
I had a really good year with the Clippers. I
think it was probably one of the most underrated years
I had. And then you know, I got traded. We
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started the Live City. I always tell people, like, you know,
we beat was the point guard when Love City Star started, right,
we was throwing lobs. They din weren't even throwing lives.
And they you know, got really good. They got really good,
start playing basketball, kicking people ass.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
But like the Clippers, it was cool. I got a
chance to be home. It was it was weird and
different cool.
Speaker 2 (32:00):
Because in terms of l A, we know the effects
that you know, there's the Lakers, right and then little
bro Clippers.
Speaker 3 (32:09):
Yeah, like we was a little bro but we was
we was we wanted accepting it. When I got to
the Clippers, we want accepting a little bro thing.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
We was trying to beat the Lakers.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
And you know, the Clippers were always the laughing stock
of l A. When they when the Clippers and the
Lakers played, and so I remember sitting in the locker
and I was like, man, if we can become good
enough to beat these dudes and stand up to these dudes,
you know, like we can carve our space for ourselves.
He was guarding Fisher at the time. No, Kobe would.
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I used to have to guard all the top dogs.
And you know, I'm a little dude.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Kobe on team Mac Brandon Roy in La alone, you
are the Clippers, you gotta guard guard Kobe? Did it
hit different La La? At the crib going against the
crib team?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Nah?
Speaker 3 (33:08):
I mean it was fun like I always, you know,
like one thing, when it was time to play against
the Lakers, I was I was gonna do it my way,
you know what I mean, I was gonna do it
my way because I one just the ultimate respect for
like Kobe and the Lakers, and obviously growing up in
LA being a Laker, you always want to put on
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when you play for the Lakers. You know, it's Baron
Davis fans, but it's also a Laker fans. So people
was rooting for me that way, and we just needed
to be able to stand up to him. So, you know,
if I show that I can get with Kobe or
I'm having a good game and I'm not you know,
like I'm not intimidated, and it would kind of start value. Yeah,
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because you know, sports is just a little bit of
confidence and you never know who's gonna show up to
be the turning point at the game. And so we
start actually like winning some of the games against the Lakers,
little fights skirvishes at the end of the game, Hey facts,
you know. Yeah, we started to like take this little
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bro like, yeah, we're not getting punk no more, right,
And so I think it built a fight for the Clippers,
which then start to build a rivalry. And now the
Clippers are, you know, have won the majority of the
rival games over.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
The last three or four years.
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I'm glad to hear that because I'm a Laker hater,
you know imhood. You know, I say, we already know
you got the you know, the host, the TV host,
the pod for the Raiders, You've got the you know,
you've got the music dropping.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
What else you got going on? I mean, like I said,
we talked. We first met with over some cryptos. Yeah,
we was talking about crypto. Uh, what am I working on?
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Man?
Speaker 3 (34:55):
I'm just really working on on the business side, just
bringing in athletes, entrepreneurs c suite so you know, kind
of running my own venture studio, and my platform is
called Business Inside the Game. So I built this membership
collective and membership club for investors, athletes, so everybody can
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have kind of like a cool just how we build right,
everybody cool, everybody successful and like the best way you
get deals or the best way you get the best advice. Yeah,
being a collective and seeking the advice of masterminds. So
I've been playing these like Mastermind retreats and going all
(35:37):
over there.
Speaker 2 (35:38):
You know you ain't never told me nothing about no Mess.
I'm not a mastermind yet that he was this un
season bro.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Yeah, yeah, I got one set up. We'll do a
Mastermind retreat. Yeah, I let you speak. I don't want
to speak.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
I want to learn.
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I'm trying to make some money. You. I need you
a smart one dog.
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You got to be worth about a book twelve four.
I want to I don't want to just have it.
I want to be in like I want whenever I want.
You know what I'm saying to then I'm sorry with me, wife, folk, kids.
We get two rows.
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me on the pod. This is Off the Edge with
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Speaker 1 (36:37):
I'm your host.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
I get to sit down with greatness every time I
get on the podcast. Man, it's barn, You've been nothing
but but that.
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can find the pod.
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just thankful to be here, thankful to be in to
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