August 16, 2025 • 27 mins
Gregg Rosenthal reports from Dallas Cowboys training camp in Oxnard, California. Gregg gives you his takeaways from a day at camp and is joined by Cowboys EDGE Dante Fowler (09:40) and LB DeMarvion Overshown (18:45).
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to NFL Daily, where we gotta admit where suckers
for Cowboys hype Every once in a while, this is
usually the time of year that it happens. I'm Greg Rosenthal.
I am here at Cowboys training camp in Oxnard, California,
starting off the show solo. You know, Patrick Claibhn's doing
Fantasy Live. Jordan's over in Minnesota doing joint practices, and
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we appreciate you watching this YouTube special. I'm gonna have
two cowboys coming on the show in just a little bit,
Dante Fowler and Demarvion Overshown and great conversations with both
of them, so look forward to that. But just a
couple of takeaways about being here. It's just different. The
Cowboys are just different. When I say I'm a sucker
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for the Cowboys, you know, part of it is the
setup here. Like most of these training camps we go to,
it's minimal. Here, it's like all these foods, all this concessions,
like everything is just bigger and there's more media here.
On the twenty sixth day, I believe it was of
the Cowboys being in California. I mean that's insane. Over
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three weeks they have been here, and yet there is
more media here at a training camp practice in the
middle of the week than at postgame regular season games
for a lot of NFL city So it's just different.
And then you see Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones up,
you know, high above the practice field, and it just
reminds me of Bear Bryant back in the day. Maybe
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I'm just like aging myself that I even know who
Bear Bryan is, but like, this is old school football.
I know, Chris Bobona doesn't know anything about this. You
got Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones and they've built a
tower at Cowboys training camp and they're just watching everything
below them. They are the Kings and that is their dominion.
And that's how football practices used to be used to
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be Bear Bryant at Alabama with a big megaphone yelling
at all of his players from up above in the tower.
And that's like, I don't know if that's the best
way to connect with your players, and you don't need
to connect like that when you're an owner. But Jerry
Jones was playing in the SEC for Arkansas pretty early
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and Bear Bryant's run at Alabama, so he's like going
up against his team. It is a connection to that,
like old school football, and it's just different. It's truly
a family organization in a way that the NFL used
to be all around the league but is not as
much any more. No one's doing it like they're doing
it for good and bad. So takeaways from the field today,
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it was just good to see Dak Prescott throwing dartso
all over the field, just making the right decisions. It
looked a little too easy for him at times. I
like this Cowboys address group. A little more on that
in a minute, But for the most part, he was
protected very well. He finds his open receivers. He's just
the smartest dude on the field, and he was very
sharp in general. What are you gonna do with this secondary?
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That's the problem that I worry the most about with
the Cowboys. But you have Cedee Lamb and George Pickens
lining up against kyer Eloman. Deron Bland is back out there,
and that's a big thing. I think the average fan
probably doesn't realize Deron ban Bland, he's back, he's healthy.
You got a couple really talented guys that were on
the sideline here today, Trevon Diggs and Savon Ravel who
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could be back at some point this season and will
help him out. But in the meantime there's just mismatches.
We were looking on our ace cameraman and photographer and
producer Sam here. You know, he's taken photos of practice
and Ceedee Lamb dusted some guy so badly. And I
know that Donovan Wilson, the safety on the play, like
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tried to make up for it and Dak hits him
way down the field. Wilson can't get there in time,
but the cornerback gets dusted so badly. He's not in
any of the camera shots because Ceedee Lambs beat him
by five yards on a double move. And it just
got me kind of thinking about like how good this
passing game could be and I think will be, and
how good they're gonna need to be because I think
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the secondary for this Cowboys team is just not great.
But there there are resources coming later, and if they
can get Revel and Digs healthy, I think that's a
good thing. I love Cavante Turpin's wiggle. I mean, he's
a guy that's gonna shine in a setting like this.
I think he's gonna be a difference maker this year.
They also have a rookie Trayshawn Holden, who's looked pretty
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good at training camp, made a couple of plays today,
has a good chance to make this team. And they
have a seventh round running back in Phil MafA that
popped like what would have been a fifty yard touchdown
and when you're when you're thinking about like one cut
and go, I mean, I think he's got more juice
than the two veterans, Davonte Williams and Miles Sanders. So
I was talking to some of the Cowboys reporters here
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and I think there's a real thought of the Cowboys
maybe choose between Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders and they
only wind up keeping one of the veterans. Maybe put
one of those veterans on a practice on the practice
squad because they want to keep Phil MafA and Jaden Blue,
their two rookie running backs who are both making some plays.
MafA just looks like he's a guy that you have
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to keep in the rotation, keep on the team. Brian
Schottenheimer was asked during his press conference, like what's the
thing you're most concerned about, and he just said it
was the decisions that's coming that he doesn't really know.
He admitted where they're going at a few different position battles,
and that's true for a lot of teams deeper on
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the depth chart, but I think it's kind of true
for the Cowboys higher up. They need to figure out
their running back rotation. I don't think they really know it.
They got to figure out their cornerback rotation from three
onwards and that that's pretty high up. They're still trying
to figure those things out. But watching him, and he
talked about his cancer diagnosis that at least I had
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no clue about, and I don't think anyone had ever
asked him about it, that he had undergone surgery for
thyroid answer a long time ago, and he had a
very heartfelt story about it, and it was related to
Jerry Jones, you know, revealing that he had had his
own cancer battle with melanoma and has recovered. And it
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got me thinking about something I've been talking about this
offseason about Brian Schottenheimer, how I think he could be
a better head coach than he was a coordinator. There's
just something very real and grounded, and he's been through
a lot in the NFL, and I think he knows people,
and I think players respect coaches that are real. I'm
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not saying like the last couple of Cowboys coaches weren't,
but sometimes it kind of felt like the McCarthy and
Jason Garrett. They're almost like play acting a role of
what a head coach is going to be. And I
think Schottenheimer has a certain sort of emotional intelligence that
comes through, and I think the staff that he built
here is pretty good, And those are some of the
reasons why I think he could be a little better
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than people expect. Then again, I just went through like
all these different takes from being at one day of practice,
and one of my takes here is the more training
camp practices you go to, like you just realize people
force training camp takes. I mean is just practice out here, man.
I mean I've talked to different reporters who I think
agree like the longer you cover training camp, the more
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that they feel like you can get a feel of
what players are playing better than they did previously or
who's having a good camp. But who's having a good
camp is not what happens on Sunday. It's a totally
different ballgame. And it's very tough to translate whether they're
having a great training camp to whether it's going to
be great on Sundays. And the difference is I think
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fans would see if they came out to these training
camps between Oh, he's going up today or he's going down.
It's very small and sometimes you don't know the reasons
why a player would struggle on a certain day what
they're working on. And I do think we probably make
a little too much out of who's playing well who's
not playing well in camp. The main thing to me
is who healthy and what are the rotations, like who's
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the starter, who's the second team? You really can learn
a lot about that, and that leads me to my
last point. Man, this d dress group without Michael Parsons,
and we're going to talk to one of the members
of it, Dante Fowler in just a second, is so
deep and so versatile and to me should be the
envy of the entire rest of the league except for
maybe the giants in this division, just to quickly go
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through it. And Dante did a great job going through it,
so you'll hear that in a second too. Though Sam
Williams is coming off of torn acl and looks really
good in this training camp, looks one hundred percent healthy.
He is getting the most first team reps opposite Dante Fowler,
who's coming off a really good season for Washington. Fowler
is not, you know, an All Pro player at this
point of his career, but he's turned into that Leonard
Floyd type of pass rusher for hire is going to
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give you plus positive snap. So that's your two starters, ish,
but you're rotating in your first round pick or early
second round pick, Donovan as Iraku, and then Marsha Neiland,
who's looked like a first rounder when he's played, is
a good run stopper and is absolutely better than a
lot of starting edges out there. And when Michaeh Parsons
comes in, Niland will technically be the fifth guy. So
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I think the Cowboys have a better fifth guy then
a lot of teams do second guy at maybe the
most valuable position in the sport other than quarterback and
maybe tackle. And I think the way that they can
use them and just play smart and play fast with
Matt Eberflus gives this team a high ceiling. I'm intrigued,
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and yeah, I'm looking forward to you guys hearing these interviews.
Here is Dante Fowler, and then right after that the
linebacker Demarvion Overshow all right, we are here with the
veteran linebacker edge rusher of the Dallas Cowboys, Dante Fowler,
coming off a long practice on the practice and a
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long stay out here in California. You guys are like residents.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Now, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I mean I used to live out here back in
twenty seventeen, nineteen. Right, I'm ready to go home.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Man. I was excited to be here first, but I
was like, it's time to go home, for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
That's a humble way of saying. You went to the
Super Bowl with the Rams. Yeah, you know, it's funny.
I was doing some research. I do that sometimes. Are
you aware that you had the most sacks of anyone,
or at least tied for the most if anyone in
the twenty seventeen playoffs with the Jaguars. You had a
couple and the most tackles for loss of anyone in
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the league in the twenty eighteen playoffs.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
No, I didn't know that, but I mean I know
I was getting off though, for sure. I know I
was like doing my thing. But that's a pretty cool
stat for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And a follow up, I hate to ask you, does
that mean that you hate Tom Brady more than any
man in the world, because that's one time in the
AFC with the Jagson then one time in the NFC
with the Rams.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I mean, it's really cool just to get out the Tom.
That's my favorite quarterback of all toms, so growing up
watching him and then actually being in the game when
we played him in the AFC Checkianship, I was, I
was turned on another level.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Wow. I wasn't planning to go here, but it does
go to the Patriots a lot with me. But maybe
talk about that game a little bit because I feel
like that's a great forgotten game that not forgotten in
Jacksonville or by my coworker Maurice Jones Drew who likes
to bring up all the time that that he was
down and they were robbed.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Man.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
That was that was a pretty cool game. Were so
confident going into that game, like we knew we were
going to win. It was crazy because we had a
joint practice with them and that was the year we
played him in AFC Championship the next year, so it.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Was just really cool.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
We were super we were super prepared and we were
playing our tails off and I think we got robbed,
to be honest with you, just on that play with
Miles you know, stripping the ball and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
But you know, just that second half was really really,
really weird.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
But you know, in Tom Brady fashion, he got it done.
But man, that that was a gut punch for show.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That It is crazy how football history and how people
think of like legacies and all this stuff can on
something fluky, even as someone who's watching that Patriots closely,
whether Miles Jack was down or not for a whole
like legacy and season to change, that's heartbreaking. You've found
a way, though, to live with the ups and downs
as a pro. You were drafted in twenty fifteen, So
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are you proud of your longevity and what's been the key?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, I'm super proud, you know, just because it was
my dream to play football, Like since I was in
the fourth or fifth grade. I set my mind and
being a professional football player and wanted to play for
a long time. So just be able to play ten
years in this league, you know, I'm super blessed and
I'm proud of myself for that and just to be
able to have a career in the NFL, you know,
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especially where I come from and you know, the hard
work that my mom my dad put into me getting
to the NFL and stuff like that. It means a
lot for me to be able to for them to
still be able to coner my games and still you know,
see me as a professional football player.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And now on your second tour of duty with the
Cowboys kind of alluded to it. They've been out here
for about three weeks now and they're just wrapping up
their their time.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
What what's different playing for the Cowboys than playing for
teams at your other spot?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Oh, you know, just a notoriety and you know the
prime Tome games and stuff like that that comes with
the starian helmet. You know, playing at Jerry's World in
the AT and T Stadium for a home game.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And stuff like that. That's that's super cool.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
What are you going to watch that Netflix show about Jerry?
About the Cowboys? It's mostly about the nineties, but it's
a lot about Jerry. You're gonna watch that?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Probably not, but you know, just to keep up on
my history. I might, I might will. I'm pretty sure,
Danny have it on and I might look at it.
But I mean, I'm not really a big TV guy.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Nonymore, Okay, I'm not as much, but i gotta say
that Cowboys Cheerleader show is good. It's actually really interesting.
I'm not being weird. I'm just like, it's interesting what
they go through.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I remember, yeah that, I'll just remember my mom used
to watch that stuff back in the days when I
was like in middle school, high school, and they used
to have it like on Lifetime or so. It was
used to be on one TV show and they still,
you know, show the cowgirls and stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
So it's pretty cool seeing them around nowadays.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I know exactly what you're talking about. I forget what
network that is, but yeah, it was like the country
music like where CMT or yea. All right, let's talk
twenty twenty five Cowboys because I had a theory going
into this training camp that people get mad around the country.
Fans get mad. All the Cowboys get too much attention.
You know, the Cowboys are always like the top story
on ESPN, even though like maybe they're not worth it
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or not. And what my theory was actually this year,
the football team is really fascinating because to me, the
ceiling for this team is really high, maybe better than
people realize. And part of that, the reason I believe
that is because of your edge rush group, Like that
is about as deep an edge rush group, assuming Micah
gets back on the field at some point, but even
without him, I'm watching today and you have four really
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good players and that some other players behind him. Like
what has that been?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Like?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Tell me about like what that room has been, Like,
who's been impressing?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Man?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
It's been so impressive just to see, you know, those guys,
just to see Sam Williams come back from his injury
and see how hungry he is and the way he's playing.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
He looks really good.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
It makes you curious to see what he would have
did last year if he never got hurt. But he
looks really good. Donovan, you know Ford to be a rookie.
He looks really good, just as what people said he was.
You know, he looks like a guy that got sixteen
sacks last year. He's a dominant pass rusher, you know,
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not afraid to get his nose dirty in the run game.
You know, James Houston, who I was a fan of
when he was at the Lions when you make that.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Eight sack run in seven games. He went to us.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
So I'm a huge fan of him as well. And
just the list goes on. You know, Marshawn Kneeling. I
thought the way that he played as a rookie, he
held up really well.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I think he.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Did a pretty good job in the run game. He's
a stout run player that's learning how to pass trush.
I think he's going to be a really good defensive
end in the future. Peyton Turner, you know, he's like
a hybrid defensive end. But you know he's been, you know,
playing at a at a pretty good level, at a
high level when he was in New Orleans. Somebody that
I used to watch, and you know, the list goes on.
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Tyrus Week that played a few games last year. Just
to see how far he's came as a pass rusher.
You know, he first came in, they didn't know if
he was a linebacker or pass rusher. And now just
to see like his body changes and see the way
he worked. And you know our coach, you know eight
of Aaron Whitecott, who I was. He was my assistant
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defensive coach when I had when we had that Saxonville
team back in twenty seventeen with Jacksonville, so you know,
he was doing his thing as being one of the
top defensive line coaches in the league, especially with the
Jets and stuff like that. So just that combination of
us and that formula with him is definitely gonna be
out the charge. And of course when you at Michael
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Park since it's just gonna take it to a whole
another level.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, you're staying connected with him. I saw on the
field everything today.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
How's that been, Micah? Yeah, Yeah, that's my boy.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Man. You know, last year that was my favorite player
to watching the league.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
You know, it's just you.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Know, that's that's my boy. That's I love everything about him.
I love the way he plays the game. I love
the way he goes about the game. I love the
way he passed rushed. So when he's out there, I
definitely feed off of him and it kind of turned
into a competition of me and each other.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
At the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
So I love that because he always makes me play
at a high level.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
All right, we got we got one of your teammates
to Marvin Overston coming on quickly, So I will let
you go with this You've now been on both sides
of the rivalry, Washington and Dallas. Like, what is what's
the most annoying fan base or stadium to go into
as an NFC West guy, because you've done a couple
of different tours.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Of the duty.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
NFC West, I NFC East. Uh, you know Philly hands down,
you know it. Don't let it be a prong town
game and a big game up into it. It's crazy.
I remember I was scared to order food from Uber Eats,
so what you might call it the day before the game,
I had to change my name and stuff. So man, yeah,
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don Philly. I got a lot of Philly friends, Like
a lot of my best friends are like Philly fans.
So when they beat me, when lose a drawl like, they.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Let me have it.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
They're not afraid of shoving in my face, like, they're
not afraid to do none of that.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So Philly, for sure, they're different. Yeah, I guess he
couldn't possibly answer Dallas when you were on the other side,
were they nice to you or no?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Uh, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It was weird because we played them the last game
of the season and the season didn't go too well,
so we kind of had more commanded fans in there,
but it was all good.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It's just cool to be back. I'm blessed to be
back for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Appreciate you, Dante Fowler, Thank you man. All right, were
y'are here with the Cowboys linebacker Demarvion overshown out in
California getting his way back to the field. That I
got to ask to start. How's the rehab, the recovery going.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
It's been good, to be honest, it couldn't be any better.
If it was even any better, I'd probably be playing
right now. So uh to say, I'm almost eight months
out and doing the things I'm doing as far as
like the linebacker drive, the running full speed and cutting
and stuff. I know a lot of people that's been
through something like that, they know once you get to
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that that stage point, it's like, okay, now you're getting
more so football already. So the fact that I'm at
that point, you know, I can remember the days right
after surgery where I couldn't even walk by myself.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I had two braces on, so uh.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
You know, I can almost see the I can see
the light at the tunnel, so I know I'm close.
And like I say, the rehab couldn't be any better.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I was surprised to see you on our list today
because I'm like, oh, he must be feeling better, because
usually they don't, they don't make you available, So that
that's a great sign that that you're feeling good. And
uh man, you just popped off the film last year
and you've you've been through a recovery like this before.
Like what was the key to when you got back
playing so loose and aggressive and free last year.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
It's all about the mental part of it. I think
once you get past that mental barrier of you know,
I got injured last year, but I done went through
the process of making sure my knee was ready to go.
I don't done the hard training, had the best doctors
and trainers in the world working on me. So you know,
all you got to do now is trust yourself. And
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you know, I'm a believer in the man, and I
know my plan, So I knew that wasn't it for me.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I knew how hard I.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Trained, how hard I rehab, and you know how much
I was prayed upon. So once you take that upon,
the feel with you everything else is out to do.
And now you know the passion that I love playing
and the reason I played this game. Now, that's that's
an excitement. You know, I've been holding that in for
a year, so all the negative is out the door.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Who would you compare yourself to? You're a fascinating player,
watching you do a little bit of everything. So for
me watching as like an analyst'm I try to think, like,
who are you like? Is there someone that you pat
yourself after or that you think kind of puts together
some of the similar skill sets?
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Uh, I would say I used to say a lot
Darius Leonard. I used to say him a lot, and
then but I was I came in as a safety
out of high school to college, so I always wanted
to be the cam chancellor. But before my games, I
watched ray Lewis highlights because I knew if I was
ever a linebacker any point, I wanted to be a
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ray Lewis type, you know, head hunting type linebacker. So
really those guys is who I watched coming into the league,
and you know, all throughout college.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
What's it been like when you when you were on
the field, obviously last year and anytime previous lining up
and trying to figure out what Dak Prescott is doing
and has as a linebacker like kind of being down
the other side of him, A veteran in the league
for so long, and someone I think of as one
of the most mentally sharp quarterbacks like in the entire NFL.
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What has that done for you as a player.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
It's definitely, you know, matured me way faster than if
I would have win somebody that's you know, not blessed
with a quarterback like that. You know, he's like you said,
he's a veteran in his game. He's one of the
sharpest minded quarterbacks in the in the league. So you
go through practices and you get like some of his
tendencies and you would get like why he checked this
when he see this and he sees certain defenses. So
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I've definitely you know, not only is he like you know,
practicing against us, but the things that he's audibleling and
he's doing. You know, I'm able to learn from to
see what other quarterbacks are seeing in the league. And
you know, once you can get a good feel on
Dak Prescott, I feel like you know, you're you're with
that top ten percent in the quarterbacks where you can
play against any of the quarterbacks in the league and
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be good.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
So I saw Matt Abraflis just walk by, great hair
and beard by.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
The way, Hey, hey, he got it going on, like
I don't even know his age, but I know it's
like it's young, and like he keep hisself well maintained.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
And he got it going on with you. He got
it going on.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
When he was on hard knocks. It was this whole thing.
It was like the ebers Flus Renaissance. And I had
some some some people eber Flus looks good. I am curious.
So what is defense is going to look like? Here?
And and so you've been obviously in a few defenses
now with Dallas a few years ago, dan Quinn's here
and then and last year Zimmer, what what do you
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think defines this Eberflus defense.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
I think it's the thing that he says the most
in his style over scheme, and that's the running, hidden.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Nature of his defenses.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
I feel like you turn on the tape all the
time you see seven plus ball defenders around, each ball
carried no matter where they at on the field. Uh
and and takeaways and you know, forcing quarterbacks to play
uncomfortably all year and all all game and you know
the toy with they mind showing different coverages and dropping
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into another one. So, uh, you know the way that
he just looks at the game plays you know it's
our defense is attack defense, and so that's how you
got to coach it. And I feel like, you know
the greatness of our defense can be measured just by
how hard we practice and how hard we play. It
won't be off of mental errors or missed assignments. It's
gonna be more so on you know, did you really
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give you all this play? Like are you really you know,
trying to be one of the closest ones at the
end of the play when the when the whistle is blown,
Because at the end of the day, that that just
shows you know, your love for your brother. And that's
that's how he coached. So that's what I'm really most
excited about, because I know, you know, once you get
eleven guys playing with their heads on fire like you can,
the scheme is gonna work. Regardless, like you got guys
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out there that's really wanting to play football like you
the scheme is gonna work.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
You know, I just thought that he have Shack Leonard
Darius Leonard back of.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
The he has shack and so we get to see
some of his felms. Him and coach Ghans showed me
some of his clips all the time, and you know,
that's a guy like I said that I looked looked
at coming into the league, being one of those long,
you know, more lankier linebackers, side line of sideline making plays.
So definitely knowing that they coached him, coached the great
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Sean Sean Lee. He actually he doesn't, He don't call
me Sean, but now it's shown, so I think he
think he found him another a Sean Lee prodega in
You know, I'm totally fine with that. You know, I
watched his film all the time, and he was a
man amongst boys at times, and you know, he just
felt like he knew before everybody else knew in the stadium.
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And that's really what I'm trying to translate my game to.
And I know Flus is gonna help me get to
that point.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
That's a good come for you. Actually, now I think
about it, just because man Shawn Lee and you, I
think both play with a certain sort of energy that
that just pops off film. I'll leave you this is
there is there like a running back or tight end
that you've gone against, whether in a game or in practice,
that like impresses you the most. You know that that
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gives you the most amount of trouble, or just does
something that that that lets you know like, Okay, this
is great.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Anybody teammate or that I played.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Against, any anybody, anybody you want.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
I probably get this question, and I probably get the
same answer every time, but I'm gonna give my my answer,
and the answer is b John Robinson. I don't think
I've ever seen a better football player, a better anything.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Whatever.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Whatever he does, I feel like he's the best at
I mean, he sees stuff before it even happens. The
contact balances off the radar, the you don't notice how
fast he is until you get behind him. But when
you're watching film, it's like everything he do is just
so smooth, but it's it's fast. So that's that's one
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guy I would say, you know, you turn on his tape,
he's gonna look like the best player on the on
the field all the time.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
That checks out. Appreciate having you on. Good luck with
the rest of your recovery, and we look forward to
seeing you on the field later.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
This year.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yes, sir, I appreciate that. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
All right, that was a great day at Cowboys Camp.
Thanks again to to Marvin and Dante Fowler. And yeah,
the Cowboys get a little extra coverage. Cry about it.
It's it's not because they're the Cowboys. It's because they
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Welcome to NFL Daily, where we gotta admit where suckers
for Cowboys hype Every once in a while, this is
usually the time of year that it happens. I'm Greg Rosenthal.
I am here at Cowboys training camp in Oxnard, California,
starting off the show solo. You know, Patrick Claibhn's doing
Fantasy Live. Jordan's over in Minnesota doing joint practices, and
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we appreciate you watching this YouTube special. I'm gonna have
two cowboys coming on the show in just a little bit,
Dante Fowler and Demarvion Overshown and great conversations with both
of them, so look forward to that. But just a
couple of takeaways about being here. It's just different. The
Cowboys are just different. When I say I'm a sucker
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for the Cowboys, you know, part of it is the
setup here. Like most of these training camps we go to,
it's minimal. Here, it's like all these foods, all this concessions,
like everything is just bigger and there's more media here.
On the twenty sixth day, I believe it was of
the Cowboys being in California. I mean that's insane. Over
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three weeks they have been here, and yet there is
more media here at a training camp practice in the
middle of the week than at postgame regular season games
for a lot of NFL city So it's just different.
And then you see Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones up,
you know, high above the practice field, and it just
reminds me of Bear Bryant back in the day. Maybe
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I'm just like aging myself that I even know who
Bear Bryan is, but like, this is old school football.
I know, Chris Bobona doesn't know anything about this. You
got Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones and they've built a
tower at Cowboys training camp and they're just watching everything
below them. They are the Kings and that is their dominion.
And that's how football practices used to be used to
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be Bear Bryant at Alabama with a big megaphone yelling
at all of his players from up above in the tower.
And that's like, I don't know if that's the best
way to connect with your players, and you don't need
to connect like that when you're an owner. But Jerry
Jones was playing in the SEC for Arkansas pretty early
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and Bear Bryant's run at Alabama, so he's like going
up against his team. It is a connection to that,
like old school football, and it's just different. It's truly
a family organization in a way that the NFL used
to be all around the league but is not as
much any more. No one's doing it like they're doing
it for good and bad. So takeaways from the field today,
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it was just good to see Dak Prescott throwing dartso
all over the field, just making the right decisions. It
looked a little too easy for him at times. I
like this Cowboys address group. A little more on that
in a minute, But for the most part, he was
protected very well. He finds his open receivers. He's just
the smartest dude on the field, and he was very
sharp in general. What are you gonna do with this secondary?
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That's the problem that I worry the most about with
the Cowboys. But you have Cedee Lamb and George Pickens
lining up against kyer Eloman. Deron Bland is back out there,
and that's a big thing. I think the average fan
probably doesn't realize Deron ban Bland, he's back, he's healthy.
You got a couple really talented guys that were on
the sideline here today, Trevon Diggs and Savon Ravel who
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could be back at some point this season and will
help him out. But in the meantime there's just mismatches.
We were looking on our ace cameraman and photographer and
producer Sam here. You know, he's taken photos of practice
and Ceedee Lamb dusted some guy so badly. And I
know that Donovan Wilson, the safety on the play, like
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tried to make up for it and Dak hits him
way down the field. Wilson can't get there in time,
but the cornerback gets dusted so badly. He's not in
any of the camera shots because Ceedee Lambs beat him
by five yards on a double move. And it just
got me kind of thinking about like how good this
passing game could be and I think will be, and
how good they're gonna need to be because I think
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the secondary for this Cowboys team is just not great.
But there there are resources coming later, and if they
can get Revel and Digs healthy, I think that's a
good thing. I love Cavante Turpin's wiggle. I mean, he's
a guy that's gonna shine in a setting like this.
I think he's gonna be a difference maker this year.
They also have a rookie Trayshawn Holden, who's looked pretty
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good at training camp, made a couple of plays today,
has a good chance to make this team. And they
have a seventh round running back in Phil MafA that
popped like what would have been a fifty yard touchdown
and when you're when you're thinking about like one cut
and go, I mean, I think he's got more juice
than the two veterans, Davonte Williams and Miles Sanders. So
I was talking to some of the Cowboys reporters here
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and I think there's a real thought of the Cowboys
maybe choose between Javonte Williams and Miles Sanders and they
only wind up keeping one of the veterans. Maybe put
one of those veterans on a practice on the practice
squad because they want to keep Phil MafA and Jaden Blue,
their two rookie running backs who are both making some plays.
MafA just looks like he's a guy that you have
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to keep in the rotation, keep on the team. Brian
Schottenheimer was asked during his press conference, like what's the
thing you're most concerned about, and he just said it
was the decisions that's coming that he doesn't really know.
He admitted where they're going at a few different position battles,
and that's true for a lot of teams deeper on
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the depth chart, but I think it's kind of true
for the Cowboys higher up. They need to figure out
their running back rotation. I don't think they really know it.
They got to figure out their cornerback rotation from three
onwards and that that's pretty high up. They're still trying
to figure those things out. But watching him, and he
talked about his cancer diagnosis that at least I had
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no clue about, and I don't think anyone had ever
asked him about it, that he had undergone surgery for
thyroid answer a long time ago, and he had a
very heartfelt story about it, and it was related to
Jerry Jones, you know, revealing that he had had his
own cancer battle with melanoma and has recovered. And it
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got me thinking about something I've been talking about this
offseason about Brian Schottenheimer, how I think he could be
a better head coach than he was a coordinator. There's
just something very real and grounded, and he's been through
a lot in the NFL, and I think he knows people,
and I think players respect coaches that are real. I'm
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not saying like the last couple of Cowboys coaches weren't,
but sometimes it kind of felt like the McCarthy and
Jason Garrett. They're almost like play acting a role of
what a head coach is going to be. And I
think Schottenheimer has a certain sort of emotional intelligence that
comes through, and I think the staff that he built
here is pretty good, And those are some of the
reasons why I think he could be a little better
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than people expect. Then again, I just went through like
all these different takes from being at one day of practice,
and one of my takes here is the more training
camp practices you go to, like you just realize people
force training camp takes. I mean is just practice out here, man.
I mean I've talked to different reporters who I think
agree like the longer you cover training camp, the more
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that they feel like you can get a feel of
what players are playing better than they did previously or
who's having a good camp. But who's having a good
camp is not what happens on Sunday. It's a totally
different ballgame. And it's very tough to translate whether they're
having a great training camp to whether it's going to
be great on Sundays. And the difference is I think
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fans would see if they came out to these training
camps between Oh, he's going up today or he's going down.
It's very small and sometimes you don't know the reasons
why a player would struggle on a certain day what
they're working on. And I do think we probably make
a little too much out of who's playing well who's
not playing well in camp. The main thing to me
is who healthy and what are the rotations, like who's
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the starter, who's the second team? You really can learn
a lot about that, and that leads me to my
last point. Man, this d dress group without Michael Parsons,
and we're going to talk to one of the members
of it, Dante Fowler in just a second, is so
deep and so versatile and to me should be the
envy of the entire rest of the league except for
maybe the giants in this division, just to quickly go
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through it. And Dante did a great job going through it,
so you'll hear that in a second too. Though Sam
Williams is coming off of torn acl and looks really
good in this training camp, looks one hundred percent healthy.
He is getting the most first team reps opposite Dante Fowler,
who's coming off a really good season for Washington. Fowler
is not, you know, an All Pro player at this
point of his career, but he's turned into that Leonard
Floyd type of pass rusher for hire is going to
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give you plus positive snap. So that's your two starters, ish,
but you're rotating in your first round pick or early
second round pick, Donovan as Iraku, and then Marsha Neiland,
who's looked like a first rounder when he's played, is
a good run stopper and is absolutely better than a
lot of starting edges out there. And when Michaeh Parsons
comes in, Niland will technically be the fifth guy. So
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I think the Cowboys have a better fifth guy then
a lot of teams do second guy at maybe the
most valuable position in the sport other than quarterback and
maybe tackle. And I think the way that they can
use them and just play smart and play fast with
Matt Eberflus gives this team a high ceiling. I'm intrigued,
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and yeah, I'm looking forward to you guys hearing these interviews.
Here is Dante Fowler, and then right after that the
linebacker Demarvion Overshow all right, we are here with the
veteran linebacker edge rusher of the Dallas Cowboys, Dante Fowler,
coming off a long practice on the practice and a
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long stay out here in California. You guys are like residents.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Now, Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
I mean I used to live out here back in
twenty seventeen, nineteen. Right, I'm ready to go home.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Man. I was excited to be here first, but I
was like, it's time to go home, for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
That's a humble way of saying. You went to the
Super Bowl with the Rams. Yeah, you know, it's funny.
I was doing some research. I do that sometimes. Are
you aware that you had the most sacks of anyone,
or at least tied for the most if anyone in
the twenty seventeen playoffs with the Jaguars. You had a
couple and the most tackles for loss of anyone in
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the league in the twenty eighteen playoffs.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
No, I didn't know that, but I mean I know
I was getting off though, for sure. I know I
was like doing my thing. But that's a pretty cool
stat for sure.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And a follow up, I hate to ask you, does
that mean that you hate Tom Brady more than any
man in the world, because that's one time in the
AFC with the Jagson then one time in the NFC
with the Rams.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
I mean, it's really cool just to get out the Tom.
That's my favorite quarterback of all toms, so growing up
watching him and then actually being in the game when
we played him in the AFC Checkianship, I was, I
was turned on another level.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Wow. I wasn't planning to go here, but it does
go to the Patriots a lot with me. But maybe
talk about that game a little bit because I feel
like that's a great forgotten game that not forgotten in
Jacksonville or by my coworker Maurice Jones Drew who likes
to bring up all the time that that he was
down and they were robbed.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Man.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
That was that was a pretty cool game. Were so
confident going into that game, like we knew we were
going to win. It was crazy because we had a
joint practice with them and that was the year we
played him in AFC Championship the next year, so it.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Was just really cool.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
We were super we were super prepared and we were
playing our tails off and I think we got robbed,
to be honest with you, just on that play with
Miles you know, stripping the ball and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
But you know, just that second half was really really,
really weird.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
But you know, in Tom Brady fashion, he got it done.
But man, that that was a gut punch for show.
Speaker 4 (11:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
That It is crazy how football history and how people
think of like legacies and all this stuff can on
something fluky, even as someone who's watching that Patriots closely,
whether Miles Jack was down or not for a whole
like legacy and season to change, that's heartbreaking. You've found
a way, though, to live with the ups and downs
as a pro. You were drafted in twenty fifteen, So
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are you proud of your longevity and what's been the key?
Speaker 3 (12:21):
Yeah, I'm super proud, you know, just because it was
my dream to play football, Like since I was in
the fourth or fifth grade. I set my mind and
being a professional football player and wanted to play for
a long time. So just be able to play ten
years in this league, you know, I'm super blessed and
I'm proud of myself for that and just to be
able to have a career in the NFL, you know,
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especially where I come from and you know, the hard
work that my mom my dad put into me getting
to the NFL and stuff like that. It means a
lot for me to be able to for them to
still be able to coner my games and still you know,
see me as a professional football player.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And now on your second tour of duty with the
Cowboys kind of alluded to it. They've been out here
for about three weeks now and they're just wrapping up
their their time.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
What what's different playing for the Cowboys than playing for
teams at your other spot?
Speaker 3 (13:13):
Oh, you know, just a notoriety and you know the
prime Tome games and stuff like that that comes with
the starian helmet. You know, playing at Jerry's World in
the AT and T Stadium for a home game.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
And stuff like that. That's that's super cool.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
What are you going to watch that Netflix show about Jerry?
About the Cowboys? It's mostly about the nineties, but it's
a lot about Jerry. You're gonna watch that?
Speaker 3 (13:37):
Probably not, but you know, just to keep up on
my history. I might, I might will. I'm pretty sure,
Danny have it on and I might look at it.
But I mean, I'm not really a big TV guy.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Nonymore, Okay, I'm not as much, but i gotta say
that Cowboys Cheerleader show is good. It's actually really interesting.
I'm not being weird. I'm just like, it's interesting what
they go through.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I remember, yeah that, I'll just remember my mom used
to watch that stuff back in the days when I
was like in middle school, high school, and they used
to have it like on Lifetime or so. It was
used to be on one TV show and they still,
you know, show the cowgirls and stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
So it's pretty cool seeing them around nowadays.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
I know exactly what you're talking about. I forget what
network that is, but yeah, it was like the country
music like where CMT or yea. All right, let's talk
twenty twenty five Cowboys because I had a theory going
into this training camp that people get mad around the country.
Fans get mad. All the Cowboys get too much attention.
You know, the Cowboys are always like the top story
on ESPN, even though like maybe they're not worth it
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or not. And what my theory was actually this year,
the football team is really fascinating because to me, the
ceiling for this team is really high, maybe better than
people realize. And part of that, the reason I believe
that is because of your edge rush group, Like that
is about as deep an edge rush group, assuming Micah
gets back on the field at some point, but even
without him, I'm watching today and you have four really
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good players and that some other players behind him. Like
what has that been?
Speaker 4 (15:01):
Like?
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Tell me about like what that room has been, Like,
who's been impressing?
Speaker 2 (15:04):
Man?
Speaker 3 (15:04):
It's been so impressive just to see, you know, those guys,
just to see Sam Williams come back from his injury
and see how hungry he is and the way he's playing.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
He looks really good.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
It makes you curious to see what he would have
did last year if he never got hurt. But he
looks really good. Donovan, you know Ford to be a rookie.
He looks really good, just as what people said he was.
You know, he looks like a guy that got sixteen
sacks last year. He's a dominant pass rusher, you know,
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not afraid to get his nose dirty in the run game.
You know, James Houston, who I was a fan of
when he was at the Lions when you make that.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Eight sack run in seven games. He went to us.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
So I'm a huge fan of him as well. And
just the list goes on. You know, Marshawn Kneeling. I
thought the way that he played as a rookie, he
held up really well.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
I think he.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Did a pretty good job in the run game. He's
a stout run player that's learning how to pass trush.
I think he's going to be a really good defensive
end in the future. Peyton Turner, you know, he's like
a hybrid defensive end. But you know he's been, you know,
playing at a at a pretty good level, at a
high level when he was in New Orleans. Somebody that
I used to watch, and you know, the list goes on.
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Tyrus Week that played a few games last year. Just
to see how far he's came as a pass rusher.
You know, he first came in, they didn't know if
he was a linebacker or pass rusher. And now just
to see like his body changes and see the way
he worked. And you know our coach, you know eight
of Aaron Whitecott, who I was. He was my assistant
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defensive coach when I had when we had that Saxonville
team back in twenty seventeen with Jacksonville, so you know,
he was doing his thing as being one of the
top defensive line coaches in the league, especially with the
Jets and stuff like that. So just that combination of
us and that formula with him is definitely gonna be
out the charge. And of course when you at Michael
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Park since it's just gonna take it to a whole
another level.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Yeah, you're staying connected with him. I saw on the
field everything today.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
How's that been, Micah? Yeah, Yeah, that's my boy.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
Man. You know, last year that was my favorite player
to watching the league.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
You know, it's just you.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Know, that's that's my boy. That's I love everything about him.
I love the way he plays the game. I love
the way he goes about the game. I love the
way he passed rushed. So when he's out there, I
definitely feed off of him and it kind of turned
into a competition of me and each other.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
At the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
So I love that because he always makes me play
at a high level.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
All right, we got we got one of your teammates
to Marvin Overston coming on quickly, So I will let
you go with this You've now been on both sides
of the rivalry, Washington and Dallas. Like, what is what's
the most annoying fan base or stadium to go into
as an NFC West guy, because you've done a couple
of different tours.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Of the duty.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
NFC West, I NFC East. Uh, you know Philly hands down,
you know it. Don't let it be a prong town
game and a big game up into it. It's crazy.
I remember I was scared to order food from Uber Eats,
so what you might call it the day before the game,
I had to change my name and stuff. So man, yeah,
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don Philly. I got a lot of Philly friends, Like
a lot of my best friends are like Philly fans.
So when they beat me, when lose a drawl like, they.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Let me have it.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
They're not afraid of shoving in my face, like, they're
not afraid to do none of that.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
So Philly, for sure, they're different. Yeah, I guess he
couldn't possibly answer Dallas when you were on the other side,
were they nice to you or no?
Speaker 5 (18:29):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Uh, it was pretty cool.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
It was weird because we played them the last game
of the season and the season didn't go too well,
so we kind of had more commanded fans in there,
but it was all good.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
It's just cool to be back. I'm blessed to be
back for sure.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
Appreciate you, Dante Fowler, Thank you man. All right, were
y'are here with the Cowboys linebacker Demarvion overshown out in
California getting his way back to the field. That I
got to ask to start. How's the rehab, the recovery going.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
It's been good, to be honest, it couldn't be any better.
If it was even any better, I'd probably be playing
right now. So uh to say, I'm almost eight months
out and doing the things I'm doing as far as
like the linebacker drive, the running full speed and cutting
and stuff. I know a lot of people that's been
through something like that, they know once you get to
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that that stage point, it's like, okay, now you're getting
more so football already. So the fact that I'm at
that point, you know, I can remember the days right
after surgery where I couldn't even walk by myself.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
I had two braces on, so uh.
Speaker 5 (19:31):
You know, I can almost see the I can see
the light at the tunnel, so I know I'm close.
And like I say, the rehab couldn't be any better.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
I was surprised to see you on our list today
because I'm like, oh, he must be feeling better, because
usually they don't, they don't make you available, So that
that's a great sign that that you're feeling good. And
uh man, you just popped off the film last year
and you've you've been through a recovery like this before.
Like what was the key to when you got back
playing so loose and aggressive and free last year.
Speaker 5 (19:59):
It's all about the mental part of it. I think
once you get past that mental barrier of you know,
I got injured last year, but I done went through
the process of making sure my knee was ready to go.
I don't done the hard training, had the best doctors
and trainers in the world working on me. So you know,
all you got to do now is trust yourself. And
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you know, I'm a believer in the man, and I
know my plan, So I knew that wasn't it for me.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
I knew how hard I.
Speaker 5 (20:27):
Trained, how hard I rehab, and you know how much
I was prayed upon. So once you take that upon,
the feel with you everything else is out to do.
And now you know the passion that I love playing
and the reason I played this game. Now, that's that's
an excitement. You know, I've been holding that in for
a year, so all the negative is out the door.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
Who would you compare yourself to? You're a fascinating player,
watching you do a little bit of everything. So for
me watching as like an analyst'm I try to think, like,
who are you like? Is there someone that you pat
yourself after or that you think kind of puts together
some of the similar skill sets?
Speaker 5 (21:04):
Uh, I would say I used to say a lot
Darius Leonard. I used to say him a lot, and
then but I was I came in as a safety
out of high school to college, so I always wanted
to be the cam chancellor. But before my games, I
watched ray Lewis highlights because I knew if I was
ever a linebacker any point, I wanted to be a
(21:25):
ray Lewis type, you know, head hunting type linebacker. So
really those guys is who I watched coming into the league,
and you know, all throughout college.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
What's it been like when you when you were on
the field, obviously last year and anytime previous lining up
and trying to figure out what Dak Prescott is doing
and has as a linebacker like kind of being down
the other side of him, A veteran in the league
for so long, and someone I think of as one
of the most mentally sharp quarterbacks like in the entire NFL.
(21:58):
What has that done for you as a player.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
It's definitely, you know, matured me way faster than if
I would have win somebody that's you know, not blessed
with a quarterback like that. You know, he's like you said,
he's a veteran in his game. He's one of the
sharpest minded quarterbacks in the in the league. So you
go through practices and you get like some of his
tendencies and you would get like why he checked this
when he see this and he sees certain defenses. So
(22:23):
I've definitely you know, not only is he like you know,
practicing against us, but the things that he's audibleling and
he's doing. You know, I'm able to learn from to
see what other quarterbacks are seeing in the league. And
you know, once you can get a good feel on
Dak Prescott, I feel like you know, you're you're with
that top ten percent in the quarterbacks where you can
play against any of the quarterbacks in the league and
(22:43):
be good.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
So I saw Matt Abraflis just walk by, great hair
and beard by.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
The way, Hey, hey, he got it going on, like
I don't even know his age, but I know it's
like it's young, and like he keep hisself well maintained.
Speaker 4 (22:58):
And he got it going on with you. He got
it going on.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
When he was on hard knocks. It was this whole thing.
It was like the ebers Flus Renaissance. And I had
some some some people eber Flus looks good. I am curious.
So what is defense is going to look like? Here?
And and so you've been obviously in a few defenses
now with Dallas a few years ago, dan Quinn's here
and then and last year Zimmer, what what do you
(23:22):
think defines this Eberflus defense.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
I think it's the thing that he says the most
in his style over scheme, and that's the running, hidden.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
Nature of his defenses.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
I feel like you turn on the tape all the
time you see seven plus ball defenders around, each ball
carried no matter where they at on the field. Uh
and and takeaways and you know, forcing quarterbacks to play
uncomfortably all year and all all game and you know
the toy with they mind showing different coverages and dropping
(23:53):
into another one. So, uh, you know the way that
he just looks at the game plays you know it's
our defense is attack defense, and so that's how you
got to coach it. And I feel like, you know
the greatness of our defense can be measured just by
how hard we practice and how hard we play. It
won't be off of mental errors or missed assignments. It's
gonna be more so on you know, did you really
(24:15):
give you all this play? Like are you really you know,
trying to be one of the closest ones at the
end of the play when the when the whistle is blown,
Because at the end of the day, that that just
shows you know, your love for your brother. And that's
that's how he coached. So that's what I'm really most
excited about, because I know, you know, once you get
eleven guys playing with their heads on fire like you can,
the scheme is gonna work. Regardless, like you got guys
(24:37):
out there that's really wanting to play football like you
the scheme is gonna work.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
You know, I just thought that he have Shack Leonard
Darius Leonard back of.
Speaker 5 (24:43):
The he has shack and so we get to see
some of his felms. Him and coach Ghans showed me
some of his clips all the time, and you know,
that's a guy like I said that I looked looked
at coming into the league, being one of those long,
you know, more lankier linebackers, side line of sideline making plays.
So definitely knowing that they coached him, coached the great
(25:05):
Sean Sean Lee. He actually he doesn't, He don't call
me Sean, but now it's shown, so I think he
think he found him another a Sean Lee prodega in
You know, I'm totally fine with that. You know, I
watched his film all the time, and he was a
man amongst boys at times, and you know, he just
felt like he knew before everybody else knew in the stadium.
(25:28):
And that's really what I'm trying to translate my game to.
And I know Flus is gonna help me get to
that point.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
That's a good come for you. Actually, now I think
about it, just because man Shawn Lee and you, I
think both play with a certain sort of energy that
that just pops off film. I'll leave you this is
there is there like a running back or tight end
that you've gone against, whether in a game or in practice,
that like impresses you the most. You know that that
(25:57):
gives you the most amount of trouble, or just does
something that that that lets you know like, Okay, this
is great.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
Anybody teammate or that I played.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Against, any anybody, anybody you want.
Speaker 5 (26:11):
I probably get this question, and I probably get the
same answer every time, but I'm gonna give my my answer,
and the answer is b John Robinson. I don't think
I've ever seen a better football player, a better anything.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Whatever.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Whatever he does, I feel like he's the best at
I mean, he sees stuff before it even happens. The
contact balances off the radar, the you don't notice how
fast he is until you get behind him. But when
you're watching film, it's like everything he do is just
so smooth, but it's it's fast. So that's that's one
(26:48):
guy I would say, you know, you turn on his tape,
he's gonna look like the best player on the on
the field all the time.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
That checks out. Appreciate having you on. Good luck with
the rest of your recovery, and we look forward to
seeing you on the field later.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
This year.
Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yes, sir, I appreciate that. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
All right, that was a great day at Cowboys Camp.
Thanks again to to Marvin and Dante Fowler. And yeah,
the Cowboys get a little extra coverage. Cry about it.
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