Channing Crowder talks overcoming 3 ACL tears to play in the NFL, the power of consistency, blowing $750K before the draft, The Pivot podcast

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And I came off that edge. He said, oh there
you go, young fella.

Speaker 2 (00:03):
So I ran up.

Speaker 1 (00:04):
He kicked back, Oh yeah, you go, young fellow. Don't
try to spin. I hear him say, don't try to
spin the mid play. There's no way I'm a spin now.
So now I'm a bull Russian Jayo hit it word
for word. Do what he told me when he grabbed me.
Strong as ops, he just grabbed me. Yep, young fella,

(00:26):
you might want to get into the weight room. The
weight room is essential, and the player is going on
and I'm just sitting there wiggling like a little rag dog.
I said, I wouldn't call my home. I called like
my family at home. I called him after that game.
I said, Bro, these dudes are different. These are different
human beings in this league. Yeah, we see you.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
What up, everybody?

Speaker 1 (00:55):
I'm Peanut Tohiman and this is the NFL Player's Second
Act podcast and with me as always as my trust,
he co hosts Pineapple Roman Harple.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
What's up? Baby?

Speaker 3 (01:05):
These are not pineapples, but thank you again. This is
from the President's Cup. I don't I don't want this
guest thinking I got pineapples all on my chest.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Because you know, tell him what he's going in his
mind if he thinks that. So get to the guest pet.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Okay, this gentleman is a product of the University of Florida,
linebacker for six seasons for your Miami Dolphins.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
He is the co host of the Pivot podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
He is on Miami Sports Radio, and he has his
own cooking brand.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Yes, yes, sir, Ladies and.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Gentlemen, please walk up to the pop Channi crowdy. Yeah,
representing the college you didn't even go to.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I like it, sir. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Man, you know you get married, you gotta you gotta
adjust to the trend. Wife with Howard and the real Hu.
You know they've got a lot of pride. Yeah, wife
with Howard, I damned with the Howard got I got
you talking about wife? Man, I wash my hands, have
my ring off. I'm gonna put it back on real quick. Anyway,
don't do that.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, yeah, let me do. Let me get back right,
Let me get back right.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
You see, mine ain't come off in year. I got
the little tan line and all ye, all right now
now chanting. I gotta be honest.

Speaker 3 (02:16):
I didn't know this about you because when I've seen
you and I've only known you since college, watching watching
on TV. Also, you went to my play there at
the Miami Dolphins, so I thought you were a Florida guy.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I did not know.

Speaker 3 (02:29):
Why did you go to Penn State like you grew
up or you were from that area?

Speaker 2 (02:34):
Right there? And uh, in State College.

Speaker 1 (02:37):
It's even worse than that. I was born there. When
we moved when I was like, I think two months through.
I was born December second. Penn State played in the
Hula Bow. My dad was coaching. Uh huh, my dad
played played the Penn State played in the league. Right
he was coaching back with Joe Paterno on them. They
brought him in when he retired for football. I'm born
in State College. My mom didn't want him coaching more

(02:58):
because he was never there. I have two older sisters,
so she's just she's sitting at the house in State College.
Ain't something to do, so she adin't want to coach
no more. So I moved to Tampa when I was
like two months old. But my dad, Randy Crowded, passed,
reaching to God rest his soul. He was the first
black captain ever at Penn State. Three time All American

(03:19):
at Penn State. They got a fifty foot picture of
this damn dude on the wall in the stadium in
Beaver Stadium. I'm going to Penn State my whole life.
I'm going i Pens State stuff, all that stuff. But
they made a critical era on my visit. I went
to the summer camps in ninth grade, tenth grade.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
I'm flying up there.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
We ain't got no money, we broke, we had a
single family, were living in the projects in Atlema. Flying
up there, find a way to get there. I'm going
to Penn State. I'm getting cool to coach. I'm going
to Penn State. They brought me on my official visit.
I remember the date, January eleventh, Courtney Brown brouh.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
It was four feet of snow on the ground. We
flying in. They fly into Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
They take that little puddle jumper over the over the
Nitney Mountains and you come down and stay car man.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Everything's white.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
I'm sitting on a plane with j Paternal Joe's son,
my mama and his little bitty the plane. I look
at my mama said, I'm not coming here. She said,
she thinks I'm just nervous. Whatever I said, I'm not
coming here, So what you're talking about, I can't this
white went stayed. We walking around the fourth snow They
had a big picture, they had all my highlights, beautiful,

(04:28):
beautiful presentation for my visit.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
I am not coming here to live in this the
snow jump. I told my mam again, I'm not coming here.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
Went down, got back to Atlanta, visited Georgia, committed to Georgia,
and then Spurrier left and went to the commander, said
was name differently back then? So I was, I was
going to Georgia and Florida. When Spurry went to commanders,
I then committed to George. I committed Geordia for three weeks.
Charlie Strong left South Carolina. Zook brought him as DC love.

(05:00):
Charlie Strong visit South Carolina. Columbus, South Carolina no place
for a black man, So I said, I'm not going
to Coach. I love you to death, and I'm not
going to I'm not going to Columbia, South Carolina.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Why isn't in a place for a black man? When
you have been there, I have none I have you
feel you.

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Feel uncomfortable, well, especially if you're from Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
You know what I mean I'm from Alabama, so it's
a little bit different. You're used to it. I'm definitely
used to Columbia is not that bad for me.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
But okay, well, I walked in and go on to
gas station. Said I thought I was why y'all jumping?
I can't even get me.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
Jumping.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'm like, I was uncomfortable, but Zook brings Charlie in
the running defense. Charlie calls me the second it gets
the job. He says, Chan and me and me and Chuck.

Speaker 2 (05:46):
Cool.

Speaker 1 (05:46):
Cool that still the bucket is right now. He said, Chance,
just take your visit. I'm fully committed to mart Wreck
at Georgia, said, Chan, take your visit. I like, coach,
I'm going to Georgia. He said, you have one visit
left because I canceled my Florida visit after Spur left
the last year I had. He said, just take the
visit here, come down here, eat some free stone Craft
these steaks.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Yeah, party with the boys. You're good.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
I just come down, went down to Florida, had me
a good time, no doubt. There were some boosters that
really enjoyed my ability to make tackles and plays. Absolutely
what we got to say hypothetically, allegedly, allegedly.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Allegedly, I might have got slid a little something. Yeah, allegedly,
And I said, you know what, the ain't bad.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
He committed from Georgia and that's how I ended up Florida.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
Man, I like Gainesville. Gainsville ain't bad. I mean, outside
of the campus is kind of sketchy, but.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
It ain't nothing.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, because we was talking the week before and he
was in games, I ain't going the game. It's like, bro,
I'm going home. Yeah, well, you was in Gainsville. You
leave campus. It's a big ass lake over there and.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Fields Lacchia County. Yeah nothing.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
I thought it was way more because you think it's
Florida and it's not at all like that. But I'm
sure you had a great time. Oh yeah, I got
arrested twice another two times. I don't ask about that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
we're gonna talk about that. That was in the rundown.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Okay, yeah, we'll do y'all rundown. Man, you know I'm
over I'm gonna over share. I'd love to get you
in the tears room. You'd be telling on everybody.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
You're gonna get me, you y'all come on out. They
got us, they got you, they ain't get us. Oh yeah,
we're all in trouble.

Speaker 3 (07:23):
I got one question for you though, while we're in
that little zone still, it's like, what is that chanting
crowder in this picture?

Speaker 1 (07:30):
Because oh, that that's a because it's aggressive, young man.

Speaker 2 (07:35):
What kind of small was that?

Speaker 1 (07:37):
That's called the pre get your teeth done for twenty
grand smile?

Speaker 2 (07:42):
That's you know what happened? What kind of what kind
of tie?

Speaker 1 (07:46):
Know?

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Randy met Michael?

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, that in't on the people that suck their thumb
and they get their loop like Randon got you gotta
done now, you gotta just put in. But when I
was twelve, we ain't have no no, we have skates
and roller blades. So my teeth just grew in. Because
my teeth were they grew in late. I wu was
messed up. My daddy if y'all know, it's sore. He
you know, he did drugs and stuff back in the day.

(08:09):
I think I was affected by that in the wound, okay,
because a lot of stuff there. I bore with one kidney,
A lot of stuff was a lot of stuff with
my body was just it was it was different, just different.
So my two my two front teeth didn't come out.
The grown teeth wouldn't pushing my baby teeth out, so
that to snatched my baby teeth out, put a retainer

(08:30):
in with teeth on it to let my grown teeth
grow down because something was going wrong. You know, my
daddy was in Miami in the seventies, messed up to
DNA a little bit. So then as soon as my
grown teeth go down, there was this crazy dude. Now
I'm looking back, I shouldn't been talking to this man
up the hill from me and our project, old white man,
and he would always ask do you want to skate?

Speaker 2 (08:51):
And stuff?

Speaker 1 (08:52):
I don't know why he was trying to get me
to come through his house.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I looked back. He kind of sounded like the guy. Look, hey,
I want some popsicles. Look Herbert the petty on field. Yeah,
he sounded like Herbert the pervert.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
So I one size nine. I'm probably eleven years old.
He gave me a size twelve. I get on rollerblades.
I'm a dude, little Black Convincity, Atlanta. I ain't know
how to rollerblades, but they look cool.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Got on them.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Couldn't stop roll down here here to speed bump, laying
the face first and bust all four of my front teeth.
That's why my smile looked like all for my front
teeth bust over from roller Blade on a Pedophiles twelve
when I was nine.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
What a story. I don't think I never heard anything.
So when you really met Herbert the p that's awesome.
Er blades want some popsicles?

Speaker 1 (09:42):
He went right on over there and right on over there.
Yeah yeah, he gonna get me. He better package lunch.
They're just taking me upstairs.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
So all right, well this is a great transition. So
what was your welcome to the NFL?

Speaker 2 (09:59):
MO I had?

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Well, first was in camp because that we had Ronnie.
Ronnie was drafted, his second pick overall the old boy
running that thing, and Ronnie could tote that thing. They
had Vernon Carey and high school, all American college, all
Americans like you just just run around, y'all.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
But I'm talking to y'all. Y'all know how it was
high school and college? It's easy, yes.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Yeah, you know, three touchdowns, eighteen tackles and inner self.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
You know, high school was easy.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
College and all that sec as a freshman all American
as a sophomore, Like I got to the league. First
person put their hands on me. That was like was
Vernon carry in camp? First day of passed. I came
off the edge and he grabbed me and I went
to slap that little wrist and it didn't move. And
all the time it's on film too. I wish they
find it from me. And I'm still slapping and he

(10:54):
just driving me to the sideline. And at the old
Dolphin camp it was about five yards to the chaining
fence off the field. End of the play, I'm laying
in the corner of the chain link fence. He done
drove me to sideline and threw me, pushed me all
the way and I'm laying against the chain link fence
and George Edwards, great, great coach, smart dude, that's who
walked to him. He was like, yeah, you might want

(11:15):
to try a different move at this level, buddy, And
that was the That was the first one man hitting
Mark Sean. I'll say one of the most memorables early
on was going against Jonathan Ogden, who would just he
would talk to you during the play.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
Hall of Famer. What was he saying?

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Man? So my coach, we did a lot I was
with Zach, so, Man, I watched more film than I
didn't know there was that much film to watch. I
was to watch film in college. Had Charlie strong, like
he made me. We watched film. Zach would watch two
days of film throughout a six day break, getting ready
for that Nick. Zach was film crazy. If the coordinator

(11:54):
was the first year coordinator that team, he would watch
whatever team he was at before that the whole season
and to see his adjustments game the game, to be
ready for the next seat. Like Zach was stupid. So
we're watching film. We'll see film. We'll see a tackle
get beat, so you know we're in the middle of
a game. So we got a communication system with George
Edwards where like if you knew it was coming off
the edge, you kind of peaked to him and we

(12:16):
had like hand signing, you know, try to spin Jack.
We had like little hand signals or what to try
on this tackle because he's been beat or this is
his weakness, you know, up and under. We had like
these little hand signals. Man, we playing the Ravens. Walked
up on the edge the first time was we'll see
walked up and I pecked at George. That monch shrugged
his shoulders. He didn't give you nothing that he had

(12:40):
no weakness. Y'all had no weakness. I never got a
shoulder shrug. This is this is well into the season
where this this little was working at something.

Speaker 2 (12:47):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
He said, coach it. And I came off that edge.
He said, oh there you go, young fella.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
So I ran up.

Speaker 1 (12:54):
He kicked back, Oh yeah you go, young fellow. Try
to spind. I hear him say, don't try to play.
There's no way I'm a spin now. So now I'm
a bull rushing Jayo hit it word for word. Do
what he told me when he grabbed me, strong as
a op. He just grabbed me. Yep, young fella, you

(13:17):
might want to get into the weight room. The weight
room is essential, and the player is going on and
I'm just sitting there wiggling like a little rag dog.
I said, I wouldn't called my home. I called my
family at home. I called him after that game. I said, Bro,
these dudes are different. These are different human beings in
this league.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
Yeah, we see. But that it wasn't like my that
was it was well into the sea.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
But I was kind of like my Welcome to the
NFL when Jo touch different it was h man, it
was so minute. Start my hit, Marsean. It's like running
into one of these pillars. Man watching Randy Moss jump.
Oh y well, he jumps and his knees at your
eyes and you now your a spectator. Coach, Kydter, what

(14:03):
are you doing? I can't get up there.

Speaker 2 (14:06):
I'm watching greatness. I can't get up there.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Bro. He's six', Six so he do. This he already
at nine and a half feet now he got a
forty in. Vertical that back's the jump at thirteen feet, Now,
COACH i could barely dunk with two. Hands he got
two up at thirteen feet, coach bad, matchup that's.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
Y'all, father put me, up brought up for three three,
up three three up eight three was most come inside. There,
yeah he gonna make me look, stupid but it was.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Some yeah this, league, BRO i tell all the young
BOY i talked to, Him you're all about to walk
into a rim of the best athletes you have ever
seen in your.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
Life, absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 4 (14:41):
So what made you go from fifty two to fifty
five And New york fifty five in?

Speaker 2 (14:46):
College? Yeah, yeah why.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
Fifty two in the. League, well Because junior SAY i
was here my rookie. Year, Yeah and they, said, Yep Joe,
samino he's still. Here come in rookie. Camp he, said,
yeah they fifty two is, locker AND i. WAS i
kind of looked and he knew it was going on
and walked out told. Me he, said, yeah we gave fifty.
Two you, KNOW i Think Dereck pope at fifty, six

(15:07):
it was fifty two was. Available say got fifty two
if you want to get fifty, five we have a fifty.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
Five AND i Knew junior was on the. Team it Was.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Junior my Starting we say three, four so my four.
LINEBACKERS i started next To Zach, Thomas Jason, taylor. Junr
say Three hall of, famers and my little goofy ass
sitting there over there in the in the.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
MOON i Knew junior SAID i was.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Here they were, like you can go, Ass junior And
Dereck pope And Eddie moore over. There, dude say you
can go as junior to get fifty five if you want.
To they tapped, me they, said young, blood don't ask.
Homes even doing that junior book for the fifty five just,
SAY i, say, yeah fifty two is.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
FINE i got.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Coffee you know you gotta be cocky because you didn't
sound like you, know, yeah you Know i'm gonna make
fifty two means. Something yeah they didne gave to one hundred.
People Since, hey.

Speaker 3 (15:51):
Shout Out Derrick Pope. Alabama, man that's my. Dog, yeah,
man he was in.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
School. Yo, hey what was it like playing with that
trill trio of linebackers that you just? Want? MAN i
the meeting room, too.

Speaker 4 (16:04):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Zach it was really, LIKE I zack is like my big.
Brother zach still. STAGE i still talk To zach all the.
Time like Without ZACH i, WAS i wouldn't HAVE i
wouldn't have. STARTED i wouldn't have, play wouldn't you? KNOW
i let the team attackers couple, years no chance Without
zach because he taught me how to really get ready
for football, games like really prepare and you, know telling
the little. Stuff you're, saying move with the full, backs
fingers to the to the to the. Light you, know

(16:27):
the left guard is always on his toes to, run
always on the, hill like he'll know stuff like that
in the league ten years at that point he knew
like he Knew kevin M. Wise, hey if he's doing,
this he's gonna do. This if he looks, down it looks.
Up he's pulling like he wouldn't know little stuff like,
that but the film study. Stuff so he's just his
HIS i would, say not even more than, passing almost

(16:47):
like crazy approach to a game, mentally and Then junior
was the total. Opposite junior told me stuff, like don't
get over, coached like you know what he's, Saying, yeah
play be like, body don't get over. Coached, body don't
get over. Coached we were playing The jets one. Time
he Had Wayne krebbet in the. SLOT i had the running.

(17:09):
Back junior saw. Something if he was gonna, blitch he would,
say apple baby Or. Charlie that means what gap he's going.
In if THE d tackling THE b, gap he's still
going through the. Gap so he's telling THE d tackle
get out of the beat gap either way you want.
To But i'm running full speed through this big. Gap
Wayne krebet in the, slot not in the. Wing in the,

(17:29):
slot he, said see See i'm, Gone SO i knew
what that, means like t you, know cover. Me he
knew now that WHEN i started learning. Football he explained
it to me on the. Plane he knew that if he,
blitched the back can't release now because he has to.
Check so if he, checks but the back was, weak
so he can't get over there in time to Get.
Junior but so my guys handled because he's gonna try

(17:51):
to come Block. Junior junior gonna run a. BACK Vi
junia was huge and he was made in the damn.
Lab i'm weak over the. BACK i had to spread
over to try to Cover Wayne quebec all the way
in the slot the cople juniors. Back i'm running over.
There i'm like this man about to catch the ball
and get d hell. On Wayne coubette was, good could.
Go i'm running sprinting over, it looking At. Wayne wayne

(18:12):
curl up all like here we In New. York, oh
Because junior just knocked the hell out of Clad pennington
left his man took off. Running SO i learned from,
him like if you see, something go get, it go
make a. Play you got to make a. Play zach
was by the book because he knew what was gonna happen.
Beforehand and J t was just talented, man like he
just he was one of them dudes that like was

(18:35):
made in life to rush the, passer just made in
life to rush the. Passer that's that's WHAT i could
learn something From, junior learn something From, Zach but J,
t LIKE i. CAN'T i asked him one time something like,
that like, hey he had to say it was, like oh,
six he had decent played the, Year So i'm about
to rush off the.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
EDGE i was, like, yeah J.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
T you, Know i'm saying they're gonna start running, this you,
know because you've been coming off. There they about to
send you on the. Knees i'm coming off the. Edge
you know you beat this man three four times.

Speaker 3 (19:02):
Already, yeah give me, something give, me give me.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Report to get, Off just get off real quickly around. Him,
YEAH i get off a little Slod he'll get. Off
J i get off a little. Slow but, YEAH i
THINK i was blessed to have those type outs and
even Saying, madison here my bell, Up, Ronnie i'm playing
Behind Ronnie, Holiday Keith traylor and big, tractor uh, Hoaday
Kevin carter and big.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Truck. Right we had it was all pros around.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
ME i couldn't do nothing but succeed because they were
gonna cuts my ass out IF i messed. Up so
HOW i want to know the experience of playing for next.
Sabings so you got post l S U Nick, saban
but you got the Pre Alabama Nick.

Speaker 4 (19:47):
Saban so what was that experience? Like knowing that he
had just come from excuse, me he had just come
FROM l S. U had some success, there but he Was.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
He was, like, yeah, yeah it was coming on hot.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
NOW i, said he has. SUCCESS i said some. Success
i'm sorry you don't see now it's the. Championship well he.
Did it's, okay don't worry about. That he wasn't my.
Coach i'm not hating on the. Man i'm just, saying, like,
yeah was what was his experience like for?

Speaker 2 (20:13):
You some?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
QUESTION i WAS i was used to saving BECAUSE i
came straight out of.

Speaker 2 (20:20):
College was. Crazy i'm used to. Her ron was. Crazy
ronsuke was.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
NOTHING i Saw ronzoke kick a long snap in the
face because he because he sailed the punts now over the,
punter his head man kicked him in his. FACE i, said,
OH i Called Cap, whitley my high school.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
COACH i, said coch they have to kick. HIM i
need to go somewhere.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Else if this kicked, me it's over, DUE i don't know,
whatever but he needed, dictatorship and y'all, know Y'all vets,
like ain't the guy the GUYS i JUST i THINK
i Think sable was thirty, Eight truck was thirty. Six
they was in, there was high school. Together, Yeah i'm
not bowing down. You i'm not calling you. Coach saban
and The Vets junior knew. It everybody knew, it But

(21:06):
junior And truck would messed with him the most because they.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
Knew he hated to be Called nick because he was So.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Nick saban like, players was called me, coach saving Not,
nick not my. Equal and it was so obvious when
they say Hey, Nick he'd have his little paper and
you could see him kind of just tensing up because
he's used to being a.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Dictator he's. Not he wasn't a.

Speaker 1 (21:25):
Coworker SO i think people asked me all the, time
they were, like do you think he could have been
success in the.

Speaker 2 (21:29):
LEAGUE i think we Got Drew brees.

Speaker 1 (21:31):
That, yeah instead Of, pep and he would have stayed
because we'd had, success because it used to being, success
was used to going seventy nine he lose a game
and he was. Hot he used to go he was
a five hundred coach in the. League you know What i'm.
Saying BUT i think he could have made. It but
playing for, him it was like there was no. Football

(21:51):
is football like to make the main thing the main,
thing that's. It there was a player who went up
to one and told, HIM i forget his name of.
Safety came From New. England went up to him and, told,
hey my wife's. Pregnant if she goes in the, Labor
i'm gonna leave. Practice it's first. Camp it was tea
Buck uh comes, down he, hot were, like what's? Up

(22:14):
told him his wife. Pregnant he, Said my entire team's
on the field at four. O'clock he, said but if
my wife goes in the, Labor i'm gonna. Leave he,
said you have any? Kids he, said, YEAH i have.
Too so you see you saw both of them come out.
Right my whole team's on the field at four, o'clock
like it was football. FOOTBALL i used to hide in
the player like in the janitorial bathroom and you, know

(22:35):
play on my phone during. MEETINGS i. KNOW i told
HER i used to, watch But i'm not watching them
the week BEFORE i watched the upcoming. Game y'all want
to sit and watch the first quarter of the game we.
PLAYED i remember what.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
HAPPENED i was out. There i'm. Good what happened?

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Here oh they get three yards on the power. PLAY i,
WAS i made the. TACKLE i don't need to watch.
That so on, them you know that little money MEAN i.
GO i go playing play on my. Phone if you
look under the bathroom stall and you see big black,
legs as a, player you just keep playing on with your.
Phone you look under the, stall you see little skinny
white legs with them air monarchs on. Them coach and their.
Monarchs it's a coach plus the toilet and you. Leave

(23:15):
look under, THERE i see the little white legs with
the air of. Monarchs walk out is? Saving now you
know What i'm. Saying and it's you, know And i'm still.
YOUNG i panic a little, Bit SO i go. Over
it's a tiny it's a janitory, bathroom so it. Ain't
it ain't but one star one year and on the.
Sink SO i go. Over i'm, LIKE i can't be
in the bathroom with my head coach and not say a,
word to say something right this is this is maybe

(23:38):
five six games to the, season walk, AWAY i wash my.
Hands he looked at me and just look back down
at the. Toilet so my mind is, like what CAN
i say to him that not gonna piss him, off
not just something real.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
Nebulous SO i, say Coach House.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
Terry he always talk about this white them there every meeting,
you and he said something about. Me he'll started by, saying,
well me and Miss terry were eating last, night and
and then it'll be some kind of football story or
some kind of you, know some kind of.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Motivation but he'd always be on his.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Wife SO i, say How's terry without missing a beat
WHEN i, talk he look look back, down didn't look
back at. Me he, said she'll be a lot better
if you cover f and back on third, down.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
And that was.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
It the game before it was a third and, EIGHT
i had an option route on the weak, side somebody
caught the ball and got a first. Down that's always
on his, mind not me as a. PERSON i, mean
what is Not, florida not, college not the fruits of the.
Season when he saw WHEN i asked him that, question
the only thing on his mind was me missing that
tackle on third down and it was in the second

(24:38):
care we won the. Game that's all he was worried.
About go make that tackle and we're off the. Field
that's how that's THE i would, say that's WHY i
tell this Story i've told her before because that's like
the micro cosm of What nick. Saban he is not
worried about anything other than winning, football not just the.
Game every single, snap every hand, play every, angle that's

(25:01):
all that's on his mind when he's. Coaching, well he never.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
Changed it's funny because like he didn't coach.

Speaker 3 (25:07):
Me he coached at my school, though so but the
first TIME i Met nick was coming out in the.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Draft so him And.

Speaker 3 (25:14):
Kirby smart interviewed me WHEN i was coming out in
the draft to know. Six and then all of a,
sudden a couple of years, later he's at my school
AND i go. Back they just won a national championship.
GAME i come there like a week or two, Later
i'm on. CAMPUS i go by And i'm, like, hey,

(25:34):
coach you, know, like congrats on like when you know.
Congrats he was like for, What i'm, like, me you
WON nass Championship and like the way he says it,
too it's, aggressive And i'm just like it makes me,
question like why AM i congratulating? Him AND i was, like,
well you WON nas championship like two or three weeks.
AGO i don't give it about.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
That that was weeks. Ago i'm behind on.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
RECRUITING i GOT i got three sky ships And i'm
looking at six dudes right now And i'm trying to
figure out who the HELL i want. THAT i was just, like,
like this guy's a machine and he cannot do small.
Talk he's not he's not a small talk, guy like
he's like allergic to it or. Something he's and is
he socially? AWKWARD i wouldn't say socially, awkward, dude he

(26:19):
just doesn't do small.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
Talk and he's like just likes.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
Ball you're in his, world, yes and if you don't
want to be in saving, world don't speak to.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Me, yeah he's very cool with us like not talking to,
Him like it's. Fine isn't that? Personal it's just how it.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Is but like even this is way of, life but his,
approach it's not like there's no there's no, tact there's no,
nuance there's no you, know, hey how you, being how you? Doing,
okay let's get to WHAT i want to. Speak no
genius defensive, coordinator like he sees, stuff he knows. Stuff
he called the. Defense they. Had they Had kirby, here

(26:56):
they had Musch champire when he came To. Miami all
those Boys alabama came with. Him they had they. Made
they Named Richard smith to D c because he was
a veteran. Guy they needed some veteran coaches on the.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Staff they.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Couldn't he couldn't make his he couldn't come in his
first year head coach at high. College a bunch of
college guys that. Coordinated so they but Must champ, called
he called the. Defense he's the one that signaled this
was on the. Mic Richard Richard smith just broke down
how to stop power on The wednesday meeting and. Stuff
But saban really called it through Must. Champ But saban

(27:28):
would come to, you AND i used. Myself for, example
it came to me at third quarter of a, game
we're going out in the field one back up for
the for the third quarter after. Halftime he could have said, This, Hey,
CHANNING i think they're gonna they're gonna get in trips
and they're gonna try you on the. Backside with the weak,
screen just mug up a little, bit gona make the,

(27:50):
tackle will get off the. FIELD i got your coach
appreciated that that could have been what could have been,
said and the same thing would have. Happened, gator that's
what he Call never said my name two, years never
said changing Or. Karwate he called Me gator BECAUSE i
went To florida when y'all went not, Y'ALL lsu went
twelve and. One florida beat him AT lsu And Death
valley they were twelve and. One we went down, THERE
Cfo Chris.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
Lee we beat.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
HIM i had a hell of a game and he
made he let me know THAT i drafted you because
of that. Game WHEN i got Drafted. Gater, yes, COACH
i don't think you can. Cover they don't. Ether, okay
they're going to get in trips and run the screen
backside BECAUSE i would do the same thing that you
standing over there by. Yourself just go make the effent.

(28:34):
Tackle how about?

Speaker 2 (28:35):
That can you do? That their? Coach thank?

Speaker 1 (28:37):
You why would you speak to me in that? Man
you could just come tell, me you, know watch the week.
Screen but that's how He it's no person personal, connection,
niceness it's go do your.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Damnit but do you.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Think he does that Because Rod Mary nelly is a
guy and.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
A genius, defensive genius. Decoordinator. Right he would talk to
certain players different kind of. Ways to, me he called,
me he called me. Gangs he called me gangs khn
Because Gangs khan took whatever he, wanted just like you
take the.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Football he called me gangs. Con so he had my little.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Nickname hey thirty, Three hey fifty, four eight ninety, Five
hey ninety, Nine hey forty, One hey Fifty like if
he liked, you he'd.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Called you by your.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Number but there were certain players that he would say
certain things too to get them fired. Up but he
couldn't just, Say, hey they're gonna run the screen back,
side be, ready all, right forty.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
One he would might have to.

Speaker 4 (29:36):
Go they're gonna catch this football all on you and
go ninety nine yards if you don't make this.

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Tackle like he would do, that and he would piss
the player.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Off Henry, melton and he would go out and actually
make the. Play and it was A i THINK i
noticed it Because henry made The Pro bowl that. Year
it was like it. Was it was one of his best.
Years SO i guess my, question do you think he
did that to you because he knew what you were capable,
of and there may or may not have been some laziness,

(30:09):
involved and it was just trying to like psych yourself
up to say, No i'm gonna get this play like
he was just trying to piss you. OFF i understand
exactly what you're, saying Because Charlie strong was like, That,
yeah where he knew who to, push he knew who to.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Caddle he you, know but. Everybody him and.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Z That thomas got in a fighting one day at,
practice not, physically but getting at each. Other him And
Keith trader left practice one day, arguing would saying he just.
Talked he would talk To Pro bowl sixteen year vets
the same way he was talking to me as a.
ROOKIE i just think it's it's a disconnect with the
Human i'm sure he don't talk his wife that. Way absolutely.

(30:50):
Not once you get on this. FIELD i don't THINK
i was chanting. CROWDED i THINK i was will linebacker.
WON i don't Think Zach thomas was All Pro hall
Of fame middle. LINEBACKER i did this for ten. Years
your middle linebacker. Won Jason taylor was defensive end. One
that's WHY i think he looks at players as chess

(31:11):
pieces and not, like, oh this Is Jason taylor with
philanthropic you Know cherry's and married with you, know three,
kids and you are paid to get to the. Quarterback
go get to the. Quarterback you need to make, tackles
you need to cover. Receivers that's HOW i think he approached,
ball and that's WHY i think he's so.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
Successful but also it rubs people the wrong. WAY i didn't.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
CARE i got my mama cussed me out my whole.
Life you can cussing me all. DAY i don't, Care
so don't bother. You BUT i think some, people LIKE
i know y'all heard the manny right, story the one
that made him. Cry he made him. Cry many wasn't
ready to be coached that, way and so he. WENT
i don't know what he whispered in that man we
all saw we was walking to the. Field he whispered
something in that Man's that man was six, seven three fifty,
man he was a big old boy from usc whispered

(31:57):
something is there not long, either just man bust out.
Crying he had A, u not a women win to
get their stomach. Down you had a lot she would
little corset or something of courset rolled up his.

Speaker 2 (32:11):
BACK i, said, man it's a bad look for the whole.
Team and it was an open.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Practice we got three the fifty pound man crying with.
Him it belly out of, courset belly button shown out
of this ON. Tv it was definitely ON. Tv this
was like this made a big headlight. News, Yeah nick
made this guy.

Speaker 3 (32:27):
Cry you know you didn't play, Long so, like at what,
point Because i've read that you you kind of did
it for the, Money so at what point went the
checks no longer your? Motivation, well first, OFF i HAD i.
HAD i told him ac three times in high, School
SO i had three and you're still that highly recruited.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Reconstructions in high.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
SCHOOL i actually told, ME i said my last game
of my senior season while playing full. BACK i don't
know why they had me BECAUSE i was on the
storryass team THAT i had just carried the.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Team BUT i used to have.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Eight, catches thirty carries and twenty tackles in games like we.
Had it was a performer high school Usher raymond For Raven.
SIMON i was at the performing art, school perform at art. School,
yeah so we had a big ass kid at the performing.
Arts we had dudes out there dancing and, singing And
i'm trying to bust some people down the face masks,
off and they wearing glasses under the helm and like
the little.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
Giants what To?

Speaker 1 (33:22):
GOD i sent him word his school glasses under m
AND i, said, No, god heavy blocking or.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Soul BUT i told, HIM i said.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
THEY i went To florida late because they wanted to
save my scholarship of bringing another guy in that two
thousand and two, class AND i ain't rolled in spring
just to get another, scholarship SO i WAS i was already,
injured and so got to the league first round grade
and mail copy. Trol i'm going twenty To Green bay
thirty Two patriots won the two body and Four no

(33:54):
later than thirty two to The. PATRIOTS i went out
spend by the men and a, half got A London
lord Of london. Credit i'm going first, round last thirty
to pick thirty.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
Two.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Pick the year before me got eight plus, millions So
i'm about to get at least eight. Millions all good to.
Go they looked at the knees and they looked at
the and the arrest. RECORD i got locked up all the.
Time they, like he's a character is. Shit But Mike
tice in the media told, me what you, know he
looked at The, oh he's just a. Fighter you like to.
FIGHT i, said, yeah he, said, well linebacker likes to.

(34:24):
Fight that's no. Problem i'm not doing nothing. Crazy i'm
not standing the. Man i'm not doing drugs and stilling a,
beat no women or nothing like. That if you call
me a name and we just close and you disrespect
me from inner city Of, Atlanta i'm gonna punch in the.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
FACE i really thought.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
That was wrong with that UNTIL i got The gainesville
And i'm An All american linebacker walking around the street
To gamesville punch of people in the face and getting
run down by horses and getting.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Put in the electric kind of.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
Jail so we didn't get to the league and get
through my first, contract didn't get my second. Contract EVERYBODY
i can get their second. Contract for my second, contract
it was headed into the. Lockout what was that? Old
what was old? Eleven it, Was, yeah so when you,
SIGNED i signed a three year. Deal going into the

(35:11):
lockout be my last. Year so you get your you
get your signing, bonus but you also put some you
defer some of your signing bowl to the end in
case we locked out that, year you can still, have you,
know keep.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Your money till the lockout figured.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Out so, anyway long story, short they ended up cutting
me the second day of camp the third year of my,
contract last year my. Contract SO i was already guaranteed some,
money and they asked me to take a pay. Cut
And i'm, like.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Y'all owe me. Money i'm. NOT i deferred the money
THAT i could.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
Already i'm not taking a pay cut to play when
y'all got to pay. Me, Anyway they're, like, well we're
gonna cut. YOU i, said, well, congratulations shit cut. Me
so they cut. Me So i'm already getting paid that,
year So i'm gonna say the year off get. HEALTHY
i ended up having an athletic. PUBALGIA a couple of
years before, THAT i had A Liz Frank, WELL i
still got.

Speaker 2 (35:59):
Screw it was in both my, feet SO i you
know What i'm.

Speaker 1 (36:01):
SAYING i WAS i would get injured always late in the,
season and Then i'd work out all off, season come,
back start, again and everybody out and just keep, playing keep.
PLAYING i took that year.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
Off my.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Wife she was nine months pregnant when they cut. Me
we had our Son august twenty, ninth, right you, know
right at the end. Camp so three weeks AFTER i got.
Cut So i'm sitting there one day and it wasn't
the physical. SIDE i was sitting there with my son running,
around just WATCHING tv on like A wednesday, morning drinking,
coffee AND i was like the WEIGHT i fell off

(36:35):
my back to perform and the weight AND i didn't
know how much PRESSURE i put on myself to be
prepared and to Make zach, happy to Make junior, happy
to Make georgia was, happy to Make Charlie strong, Happy
Ron zuoke, Happy Kevin whitley. Happy in high, school like
to be the. GUY i just it was part of,
Life like you have to be, ready you have to,

(36:56):
go you gotta, prepare you gotta run, bikes you have
TO i was almost like crazy about being ready to
play football and knowing every, snap know everybody's, job knowing
this WHEN i felt the other side of. RETIREMENT i
didn't know at the time it was the other side of.
Retirement i'm taking a year off to get my body back. Right,
MAN i felt the other side of. RETIREMENT i told my.
Wife it took much for her to believe. ME i, said,

(37:19):
MAN i ain't going. BACK i ain't doing that no
more BECAUSE i love. Football she KNOWS i. COACHED i got.
STILL i Watched max games On. TUESDAY i Love. Max
my Action max is.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
Fun it's. Fun now it's a lot of. POINTS i
like the. Guests they gonna, Run they gonna run THE rpo.
Again he gonna.

Speaker 1 (37:36):
Motion and, Cross he's gonna sit behind the tackle. LIKE
i like the what we used to do from. THAT
i do like to do it and be watching the
game MORE x AND o wise and all. That but
WHEN i it was more the mental health, side and
now they talk about a lot. More that was twenty
eleven when this was. HAPPENING i you talked about mental,
health SO i was preconcussion stuff to PRE ctv and
all that. Stuff but it was that that's why everybody

(37:58):
said that you. Us but now they always Down the
thing is it was first was, uh the, injuries like
all injuries caught it with. YOU i was, like not,
REALLY i could have played a couple more. Years and
then it was oh he started getting, NAH i was never.
DIZZY i had all the little birdies and all. THAT
i been knocked out before The Charles bentley knocked me
to sleep in the. Game they had to wake me

(38:19):
back up on the, sideline sitting on the. Bench they
shook me to wake me up on the. FIELD i walked,
back sat on the, bench and those back. Off y'all
Remember charles the, Man that joker was so strong. TOO
i was another.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
One when he caught me in my.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
CHIN i, said, boy, Coach i'm not running the way
they got. Blisters what you, MEAN i, said send me
around the d send me. Anywhere i'm not running by
that man. Anymore said. Man just knocked me to sleep. Twice,
YEAH i not me to sleep twice in one. Hit
i'm not going in a no. More but WHEN i,
felt WHEN i felt the mental that mental PRESSURE i
was put on myself SINCE i was hell high, school

(38:56):
so probably, fifteen WHEN i became like the, man you
know both the.

Speaker 2 (39:00):
Man when you became the, man.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
And, everything the, win every, win every, loss every, touchdown
every anything was on your. SHOULDERS i feed all that
release AND i, said, MAN i like, THIS i like
this retirement. Life that's WHEN i was, like, Yep i'm.
Done went on radio and told them nobody believe, me
my whole, family all my.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
Friends.

Speaker 1 (39:19):
Bro you going, BACK i, said, watch don't believe, me
just watch. Now it's fourteen Years, YEAH i play, now,
Man i'm gonna do a feel of p tests and
throw up some. BILLS i go back to that.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
LEAST i like. IT i like.

Speaker 4 (39:43):
It SO i want to get into your second. Act
so you're in the broadcasting the media, space right you have?

Speaker 2 (39:50):
This are you okay with calling it that the? Broadcasting?

Speaker 3 (39:53):
Yeah BECAUSE i always feel weird because we just ALL
i just always grew up thinking. THAT i, said media. Space,
know the media is the. Enemy that's WHAT i. Hate
Sometimes i'm trying not to act Like i'm part of the.
Media you, ARE i, know you, KNOW i, KNOW i get.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
It you, are we? Him we? Them now, okay all,
right we crossed over to the dark.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Side you got to be. Addressed for my FRIENDS A
g five U Ra Sean. JONES i was coming To
dolphin and he was still. PLAYING i played with. Him
he came in as A i was a. Vet then
he came in as a puppy From. Georgia dude From
georgia and the. Guy so we was, tight and somebody
told HIM i was on radio lighting their ass.

Speaker 2 (40:29):
Up and our daughters are best. Friends and so we was.

Speaker 1 (40:32):
Out we was fishing on the golf cart round out
bide the, house and he's just all of a sudden, like,
yes see, her you was killing the defense on. RADIO i,
said bron y'all just gave him one hundred and eighty
nine on the. Ground you want me to, say y'all
did a good. Job damn you, Right so you got
to justify it to. Him but if, you they gonna tighten.

(40:54):
Up but it's you're in a different spotlight because you're
you're like, analyzing so you have To this is. Why
so you honestly do it when you, watching you do
it when you're. BROADCASTING i can say WHATEVER i want
at any, time, anywhere and it's all. Opinion the, podcast
we own everything the. Radio i've been on radio for

(41:18):
thirteen years and we generate you, know, radio you have
to generate money from sponsorships and. Endorsements we generate enough
money where we can go in there and whistle for
four hours as long as the money keeps coming. In like,
Yeah so Like i've learned the. Space but, yeah being
an analyst is it's always gonna be, hard and somebody's

(41:39):
gonna be mad you praise. Them the other team gonna
be mad you bad map, Them they're gonna be. Mad
man all y'all little babies can go to. Hell i'm
forty years, old worried about you mean you doing something?
THAT i, mean you doing something? Right nobody hating on.
You you're not. Successful, ABSOLUTELY.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
I did grind. THOUGH i grind.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
IT i was making twenty grand a year doing radio
first and just Doing, yeah go back to your original.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
QUESTION i apologize my.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Boy, no, no, No you're. Good but you're you're in the media.
Space i'm not gonna call it. Broadcasting you're in this media.
Space you have a very successful podcast with your co,
hosts with your your cowork excuse.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Me and you hear.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
A lot of the struggles that players go through when
they make that transition FROM, NFL, nba from, actor entertainer.
Whatever and you hear the struggle that these these, uh
these entertainers go through trying to get out of their
their main. Act how does how does that feel when
you when you hear these, struggles, like how does that strike.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
YOU i really breaks my heart BECAUSE i when you
when you're when you're talking about, It i'm, like, y'all
it does pop up in your. Head you know he's.
Struggling damn you know HE i, KNOW i Know dom'm
thinking of never say his, name but he made double
WHAT i made in THE. Nfl he's a resource officer

(43:05):
at the. School it is in his hometown right, now you.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Know What i'm.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Saying, Like, man it's a lot of guys that their
identities football and they can't they can't continue, that and
it just it just breaks them to get where we.
Got you work so, hard five, am wake, up six, am,
workout year round. Trainers what's the people putting this?

Speaker 2 (43:27):
In? You did?

Speaker 1 (43:29):
You, punctures, massages, cold hot, tub the, diets the, shakes the,
pills to all the stuff you just to get your
body to be able to do. That and then you
want to go into something else the second act and
you ain't gonna put half that for then you. Can't
YOU a lot of you just throw money at. Stuff
i'm a buy a. STUDIO i heard that so many.

(43:50):
Times hey, See i'm by a. Studio game. Sane you can't,
wrap you can't play. Instrument why you buy a Studio
because they try to throw money at. Everything you're gonna
keep throwing that, money and that money gonna run. Out
now you're broke with no. Job BUT i, say the
guys that are just crazy physically, TALENTED.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
I see a lot of.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Them the GUYS i know that didn't work, hard but
are just stupid talented just Where god just sprinkled lecture on.
Them i've seen a lot of them. Fail the guys
that work hard that probably wouldn't have made it if
they didn't have just a crazy work. Ethic that's the
that's the honey.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
HOLE i.

Speaker 1 (44:32):
Think the dudes that willed themselves to professional. Sports those
are all my friends that are were that all have
post careers. Seamlessly the guys that Were god given talent
and worked hard Became hall of. Famers but some of
them struggle post, career even if it's not, financial because
they just they never had to work that. HARD i

(44:53):
can go out there and get three, sacks you know
What i'm, Saying get three.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
Saxons do?

Speaker 3 (44:57):
It they probably thinking they go get three sacks right?

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Now, Yeah but NOW i have to build a second
career WHERE i have to LIKE i, said go to
work every day for three, hours do three hour radio.
Show drive, there prepare for the. Show make twenty recks a.
YEAR i went from making you, know my best year
was what four? MILLION i left four million dollars to

(45:21):
make twenty. Grand it's not about the. Money this is
going to lead to Something i'm. Building LIKE i. BUILT
i ain't get paid in high. SCHOOL i got that
made it a. SCHOLARSHIP i get. Paid we ain't get
paid in. College y'all might, not but but you know
What i'm, saying you're building and then you and it
starts paying.

Speaker 2 (45:39):
Off you do all.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
THAT i started riding by the school WHEN i was
twelve years old for the for the fruits of THE,
nfl where guys don't want to start from the bottom
again after they've been to the.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
Top nobody wants.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
To fall off the, cliff look back up and just
take that next step to start climbing. Up AND i
think that's the that's the biggest problem with the second
act is That i've. Seen i've seen just guys just
don't want to go. AROUND i ask them all the.
Time the podcast stuff is the huge like this is
the new explosion, Early, yeah we called it. Early hey,
Man i'm doing my own. Podcast first, THING i, asked

(46:11):
how many you? Got, huh how many podcasts you? Got
it's it's easy to you, know especially like a little
go pros, easy like you don't got to have. It you,
know y'all got y'all got. Up, yeah, y'all y'all. ESTABLISHED
i appreciate. Discovers it is. ESTABLISHED i appreciate.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
That, yeah. Y'all see the, CAMERAS i don't know one of.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
THOSE i know they got numbers on, them AND i
KNOW t four seven, thousands AND i know y'all got nice.
Stuff But i'm, like, bro get you a little, camera
go to the to the to the circus, city get your,
camera start. Talking you got a, guest have somebody move
to camera like you're gonna start, small but just just.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
WORK i think they got them in best by the
Little Circus city is no longer in business and.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
They out of. Business that's like radio. Shack so tell me,
this Lazy, see.

Speaker 3 (47:01):
IF i had to, say all, right, chanting what would
that one piece of advice, be you would say it
is grind or what would it be to use.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
It in the post? Career the podcast and stuff is.
Consistency we haven't missed A, tuesday and going on four,
years we have missed it On. Tuesday in four, years
we might have missed Ten. Fridays, yeah four, years you
know What i'm. Saying, so, yeah that's that's.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
Big it's. Content you got to you gotta put it
out there to push it.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Out and now you have people asking who y'all Got,
tuesday like random people at the gas. Stage, yeah you
know who y'all Got? Tuesday you know What i'm. Saying
so now people are looking for it. Everywhere, yeah they go,
ahead somebody, go come, On peanut jumped. On you KNOW
i saw that happy even tell ME i saw That peanut.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
On, man that's. Crazy what?

Speaker 4 (47:42):
That?

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah they had no idea having those conversations consistently EVERYWHERE i,
go because you got that. Following but if you if,
you and honestly the podcasting, algorithm you. Can't you have
to have consistency to get to the higher pace scales
of them and stuff like. That you have three great,
shows they ain't giving you six figures for three. Shows,

(48:05):
now if you have three months worth the shows that
are consistently doing, Well now they can see the marketing
side of. It oh they're Half they're getting quarter, million
half a million million views for months on. END i
can throw them some. Money now for the next three,
MONTHS i can throw them some money Because i've seen the.
Work you, know three shows is three. Weeks, no but

(48:28):
that's not a big enough simple size in this. Industry
you know What i'm. Saying it's just like. Football everybody
can have a good, game everybody have a good, month
even a. Year you got to come, back get another,
year do it, again do it, again do it. Again
and that's WHAT i. Say consistency and really work, man People,
HONEST i said to the. Kid people are lazy and
people too worried about their damn. Phones WHEN i talked

(48:49):
to a lot of especially you, KNOW i don't do
it to grown men BECAUSE i don't you, KNOW i
don't only care about grown people like they're already jaded.
Life then beat you up already you hate, This you're
gonna hate. It i'm not talking to you, talking no
fifty year old eating. Octorpush you don't want a oct to.
Push you ain't the. Octupuss but WHEN i talk to, kids,
youngins and it's Funny i'm old now call like them twenty, olds,

(49:12):
teenagers mid, twenties call them. Kids they're asked me stuff about.
SUCCESS i, said open your, phone go to screen. Time
everybody got all children, now those that age ten plus
hours of screen time a. DAY i showed. Mine mine
is never over. Three it's always doing some. Change AND
i say, SO i am doing something to help myself get.

(49:35):
Better for seven hours and one day more than you.
Are because you're looking through social, media liking pictures of
texting girls or whatever you're doing on your.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
PHONE i have seven.

Speaker 1 (49:45):
Hours i'm seven hours ahead of you every single day
through the math seven times seven forty. Nine it's Almost
i'm fifty hours ahead of you in one. Week i'm
two hundred hours ahead of you in a. Month you're
playing on your. Phone you're playing your your successful, way
scrolling that. Phone that phone is rually.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
People.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
MAN i KNOW i sound. Older people hate this. OPINION
i get killed for that. Phone that phone is really
messing up. People AND i, know, LISTEN i tell you
answer when you're thinking. IT i know there's. STREAMERS i
know there's people that monetize. ONLINE i monetize. ONLINE i.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
DO i don't sit and look at.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Them, damn people's screens and see if you went on
vacation To california On. WEDNESDAY i don't give a damn
way you went On. Wednesday i'm trying to go To
california and doing. THAT i need to be, Successful so
that WOULD i, say stay off your damn, phone don't
do The, facebook My, space. Tiktoks they just keep making
up shit. Too it's more social media sites now than

(50:44):
damn the gas. Stations it's always something for that phone
to distract. You you can stay up that, phone have
that work, ethic and be consistent with what you're gonna.
Do that's HOW i think guys that have successful second
careers make.

Speaker 4 (50:58):
It so you sound, well think for, that that that coaching,
tip that. Advice you sound like you're busy as hell
all the time and Missed tuesday and over four.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
Years that's. CRAZY i didn't know. That, YEAH i didn't know.
That it's. Dope that's why y'all are again.

Speaker 4 (51:16):
Successful so you got the, podcast sports, radio you got
the cooking brand that you, do and you also have
you got a lot of followers and on on on social.
Media how do you find time to do all these?
Things because you sound like you're extremely busy all the. Time,

(51:36):
honestly you got travel.

Speaker 1 (51:38):
Based, yeah you got that because people that if you
don't know you that's h travel au and, travel.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Driving.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
Hotels, yeah, Honestly uh my, wife my wife does a. Lot,
yeah BECAUSE i guys got to be. There like the
podcast isn't, Hard but it's just the. Travel it's just time.
Though it's it's time away from your. Family, yeah you're
kids and, stuff, right.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
But football was the.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
Same when we play, ball you gotta be you really
if you really, going you going to the facility to
get the early work out. In. Yeah so when that,
window that that little the little call we already called
it the sorry dude window that after practice. Workout that's
not a real work how you tied His, HELL i,
Agree go in the, morning get that work out, in
then go to. Meeting it's got some recovery. Time so

(52:23):
practice and then the dudes are gonna be in the
league for eight, months nine, months they gonna work out
after practice because they didn't want to wake up early.
Enough so that's the, thing the grind of. It right,
NOW i miss a lot of stuff with my. Kids
my wife has taken to school every Day i'm. HOME
i take them to. School But I'm i'm out of
town at least two days a week, shooting you know
What i'm, saying filming miss basketball practice after school BECAUSE

(52:45):
i have a radio show from two to Six monday
Through friday for thirteen. Years it's just the sacrifice is
the same sacrifice that everybody. Does there's firemen out there
that work twelve hour. Shift they're missing. Stuff there's a
lot of people that are grinding in their realm that
are sacrificing for, success for, money for whatever they that thought.

(53:06):
Is and why WOULDN'T i even though you, know oh
you got, MONEY i, know AND i want. MORE i
get a billion, dollars you KNOW i. WANT i want
a billion one. DOLLARS i don't even want two.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
Billion you don't even want.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
TO i don't Even i'm not even looking at too
if IF i want a billion, Dollars i'm just looking
for that next.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
ONE i get a, billion and one, MAN i get
that billion too. Later you know What i'm. Saying we
literally talked about this in the car on the way up.

Speaker 3 (53:33):
Here so it's easy because all you want when you're,
YOUNG i just want a million. Dollars then when you
get one you're, LIKE i THINK i want to, MAN
i ran through, it BRO i ran through a million
dollars in four. Months oh talk about this because everybody
loves to hear how that people spend their first million
dollars are.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
Super, easy you know What i'm?

Speaker 1 (53:53):
Like it was seven hundred grand BECAUSE i ended up
it was seven fifty BECAUSE i had a million dollar
credit line through The lords Of london who gave me the.
Advance you, know they'll do the research and, say all
you going on the first? Round you about to make?

Speaker 2 (54:04):
It what get me?

Speaker 1 (54:05):
IN i could call a lady anytime twenty four to
seven and SAY i need thirty. GRAND i could look
on my phone on the app. App then at a
website you.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
Had to go. On be. Old we didn't. Ourselves we
had no apps, here no app from my little.

Speaker 1 (54:21):
Phone BUT i could go on the, website log, in
refresh and twenty thirty fifteen hundred thousand dollars just pop
up my.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Account they were just transferring. IT i go to the.
Mall Remember JABO.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Jean'so SO i worked out Tom Shaw Ken louise M.
YEAH i worked out with Tom shaw pre draft. Explanation
malls across The. Street Jabo jean was was that THING
i could afford him in. College that's over In Kenner.
Bro that, yeah killer right.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
There by the lake. BRO i was there for four.
MONTHS i wanted to go into the.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Mall tell the, LADY i want every Color jubo. Jin
you have every Color jaboul short you. Have if you
don't order, them, well that would be you, know that'll
be thirty two pair of, This that'll be thirty pair of. These,
okay order them, well, sir that would be you, know
eighteen thousand. Whatever it, was eighteen thousand. Dollars, okay to

(55:13):
do HAD i need twenty grand put in my. Account,
okay thank, You hold one, second twenty pop, up give
them the credit.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
Card it was monopoly. Money it really was mopoly.

Speaker 1 (55:24):
MONEY i bought A i bought A, hummer a big,
one the one h one one cash terrible on, gas
terrible on. Gas not a good. Ride it's a military.
CARD i can see some. Hard they don't have no,
shocks BUT i look. Hard ride Through gainsville in that
age but white age. ONE i know you have some
shoes on.

Speaker 2 (55:45):
It oh a. SYSTEM i had. SHOES i. LEFT i.

Speaker 1 (55:47):
LEFT i left a military looking BUT i did throw
three fifteens in the, back. Okay AND i bought a
nineteen eighty Three chevy nineteen eighty three CAUSE i was
born in eighty, three eighty, Three Uh.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Chevy and this is all before you got. Drafted you got.
DRAFTED i just to make SURE i KNEW i was leaving.
ALREADY i Had Joe.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
SIEGEL i already met with agents my my sophomore, year
great shirt sophomore. YEAR i already met with agent. ALREADY
i didn't sign With joe because you, know you couldn't
sign With white. Still so we played in The Peach
bowl Against Frank Gore hestering and. Boys they beat the
hell out of us In Peach. Bowl january first, FIVE
i Declared january, SECOND i. Had Then i'm A january,

(56:35):
FOURTH i went and found a dude that did Young jezu's,
cars because why what'?

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Not because that's what YOU i, Mean.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Jesus he told, me get, up remember get A, chevy
same color traplicana orange.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
Juice remember that song as, yeah trapper.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
DIE i went and bought A, chevy told him to
painted the same colors troplican of orange. JUICE i bought
eleven alligators FROM californi they Were caymans BECAUSE i wanted
alligator seats BECAUSE i was a. Gator it was orange and, blue,
orange blue and white the whole. Car SO i was,
LIKE i want alligators skin and. Tear they were, like,

(57:10):
oh we got, this you know alligator. PRINT i, said,
NO i want ALLIGATE i want to sit on alligator.
Skin they were, like, well we don't have alligator skin
just laying. Around you'd have to buy the. Alligators kill,
them skin, them get it, tanned orange and, blue and
then give them to.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Us and we.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
Could we could make the, seats we can make the,
dashboard we can make. Everything say, less say. Less i'm
gonna find a way to find these. GATORS i bought
eleven alligators From, california never saw my, life got them,
killed got them, skinned got them, dried got them, tanned
shipped them To, atlanta and got my alligator skin interior

(57:48):
put in the. Car seven thousand, dollars sound, system TVs, everywhere.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
And we everybody had TV's in the cars.

Speaker 1 (57:55):
Too of sun. Roof the normal slide back sunroof wasn't good.
Enough ti the rapper told, me you need the t.
Top the song ain't. Cool enough you got to have
with the tea top where you know where it's just.

Speaker 2 (58:09):
Split in the, middle old school tea.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Tops SO i got the whole roof redone because they
had a sun, roof so it had a big. HOLD
i had the whole roof redone just to cut the
tea top holes in. It it was a nineteen eighty.
THREE i put over one hundred grand into a nineteen
eighty three, vehicle and that's two thousand and.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
Five you sure got that.

Speaker 1 (58:28):
CAR i sold it. FIVE i probably sold about eight
years ago out of for a. While, okay what made
me want to sell it WAS i had in the
garage and for so what was? It because my son's
fired it might have been my, daughter and we're, like,
Yeah i'm gonna take out The. Chevy it had no
clips for the for the baby. Seat they had no

(58:49):
clips for the baby. Seat AND i was, like it
was the dumbest thing in the world to make me.
Think damn, man you in your mid thirties called this
one hundred thousand dollars heavy with t top with a
system in the.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
Back you can't even. Hear you cannot even play.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
ANYTHING i CAN'T i don't know what song it is
my ears are. Busting AND i was, like you know,
what let me sell. It AND i sold it to
some some real some rich, DUDE i mean in o'calla
who loved the gators and he double depriced me found.
It it was my old, car AND i have my signature

(59:24):
ext in extend to the speaker box AND i had
fifty two. Everywhere, yeah candy paint fifty two HAD i
want to see principal when we finished with wrapp this.
UP i want to see same.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
Thing like one.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
Thing who that gave hell about buying out cheesecake?

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Factory was That?

Speaker 3 (59:43):
EVINCE i Know Mario williams did a lot too like. That,
Yeah mario did a. Lot you make. It you go
to the. Club, HEY i got bottle service for. Everybody
JUST i.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Got twenty with. Me it was only five. TABLE i
want foe. Tables three bottles the, table easy. Man SO
i got to buy twelve. Bottles? Cool you ask uh
that right back on the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
Phone, Hey, ELIZABETH i need a twenty five. Thousand he'll
take this credit? Card. Right it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
Was it was a monopoly. Money it was a monopoly.
Money then WHEN i WHEN i dropped to the third.
Round this is just funny. TOO i ain't know no.

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
BETTER i.

Speaker 1 (01:00:26):
WAS i just turned twenty One december. Second they gave
me a million dollars a month, later no financial, education,
Nothing so WHEN i dropped to the third round from
eight million my first my first contract was four years
for four.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
Million SO i went from eight million dollars guaranteed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Up front to four for four my First my first,
YEAR i made.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Seven hundred THS i.

Speaker 1 (01:00:51):
SPENT i THINK i spent thirty THREE i did the
like thirty one thousand dollars less my first year of,
contract my signing, bonus and my first year, contract my
first year. SALARY i only made thirty thousand dollars that
year BECAUSE i. SPENT i spent seven hundred and forty
thousand AND i made seven hundred and eighty thousand or

(01:01:12):
something like.

Speaker 2 (01:01:13):
That that boy living on the. Edge, yeah, WELL i,
mean so when you're when your name's.

Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
Not being called and you know all the damage that you've,
done are you getting nervous at?

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
All are? You or is that not even on your? Mind? Five? Five,
OKAY i went. Out IT'S i went.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Fishing me and my homeboys had took the big, hummer
packed up got, shiners got. Worms had a big old,
thing a, cool big old cooler full of bean liquor
and drinks and all kind of. Stuff had my, homeboy
me and my homeboys rolling the, hummer and then we
had some from friends that weren't boys drive behind.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Us we had a little.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
Party so we had a little you, know little. Perklet i'm,
LIKE i don't want TO i don't want to do the.
Thing While i'm sitting, there you, know sitting. NOWHERE i
ain't get invited to the. Draft So i'm, like you know,
Why i'm gonna go out to the. LAKE i don't
want no cameras. Around we go to.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
Cheer i'm gonna get. Picked we'd be. Good so we
out there were. Fishing they got the post laid.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
OUT i had a music plan AND i have my
phone with me plugged in to the speaker where if
the phone, rings the music would cut, Off and SO
i had the phone. There so they, called you know this,
calling And i'm you, Know i'm, checking checking my other,
phone looking At, okay they're on the.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Fifteenth.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Pick, Okay i'm not going to, Twenty so twenty come.
AROUND i look Green, bay select, Somebody, okay so thirty
two at the, ladies Mal kaiper told, me it's who's a.

Speaker 2 (01:02:34):
LIAR i don't. Know you probably work with. Him he
don't know what he's talking. About.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
ANYWAY i got my OWN i got my own. Spirit
so they say thirty. Two they hot they Drafted Logan,
mankins who was a great play player play but they,
said so it gets in there to the twenty eight
twenty nine, say, hey, y'all SO i turned the draft,
on blaring over the big speakers in the homework at
the big, system blaring over speakers and the, hummer, huh twenty,

(01:02:59):
nine go, ahead thirty thirty, One hey, Y'all hey, y'all
here we.

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Go phone ain't. Ring nobody said anything but Mel.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Kiper here we, Go, Fellas here we, go, ladies thirty,
second pick and. Weird The patriots ain't called me by,
now because they usually when they, picky they're gonna call
you before they pick.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
You i've seen it ON.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Tv The patriots Select logan Making siguard out OF i don't,
know western Northern. KENTUCKY i don't know where the hell
he went to. School, now everybody's just staying, homeboys staying
girls standing.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
Nobody know what to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:31):
Do i'm just kind of. LOOKING i started to look
at the lake, here, y'all let's wrap this shit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:39):
UP i. DIDN'T i. DIDN'T i turned everything. OFF i was.

Speaker 1 (01:03:43):
THERE i was, hot, hot got back in the. Car
no music on the way, back no nothing on the.
Drink talk about forty five minutes outside of, games we'll
roll back to my. Apartment so now everybody's just sit
around the. Apartment So i'm sitting there about we get back
probably by the end of the second. Round staying got
a call and so in that right at in the second,
round my homeboy who my boy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
To this, Day jay AND t played with me At.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Florida they was, like, hey, y'all let's go grab some
of The they they knew that, man this lives man,
alone this man these. Times so everybody leave my apartment
and then The dolphins picked. Me what was it like
sixty third or something like. That it was early in
the third. Round and When Nick saby, CALLED i wasn't
even happy with my. Phone Run, hey how are you?
Doing somebody gonna talk to? You, Okay hey, Crowding, hey

(01:04:27):
this is you know next saving you know where the
draft here at the next.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Pick, man that's. Cool i'm. Hot i'm hot that so that's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:33):
Funny WHEN i tell you WHAT i tell just the
story to people For they're, like but you like you?

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Went you were the sixtiest best player in the.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
DRAFT i, said, BRO i was planning on being the
thirty second best player and make eight million dollars as
soon as my name's. Called and Now i'm sitting on
my side Of moses was five eighty. EIGHT i was
from eight million to five eighty. Eight i'm not happy at,
all BECAUSE i REALLY i. WAS i, said like the
prize for the, Day i've said it for. You you brought it,

(01:05:00):
up people said. IT i was trying to change my kids',
lives like my whole. THING i got to get out of,
this Like i'm not staying as a part. More i'm
sleeping my. Bedroom in high, SCHOOL i didn't even have a.
Closet NOW i look, Back that's why The Washington drive
in the, kitchen BECAUSE i was really sleeping in the
damn laundry room AND i didn't have a. CLOSET i

(01:05:21):
didn't know WHY i did have a closet BECAUSE i
was sleeping in the laundry. Room i'm not sleeping loundroom no.
More i'm gonna go get this. Money i'm gonna go
knock these dudes out until they started paying.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Me absolutely and got. Paid, YEAH i ain't never heard
a story like. That that's WHY i had.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
That know that gets hot when you think you're on first.

Speaker 2 (01:05:39):
Round.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
It, No i'm telling, you that's. THAT i won't wish
that on. Nobody so your mount rushmore of.

Speaker 4 (01:05:45):
Greatness you get four picks that people have helped you
become the man you are.

Speaker 2 (01:05:52):
Today you get four. Picks who are those four? People?

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
MM i go back with my wife is the? First
the first. One i'm chiseling BECAUSE i didn't that was no.
PLAN i ain't never you, KNOW i wasn't a virgin
WHEN i met, Her BUT i never thought ABOUT i never.
THOUGHT i never saw somebody in the. LIGHT i saw my,
wife and she changed me.

Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
Totally that's. AWESOME i was.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
WILD i was, Wild no, WILD i was day In,
Miami gainesville To miami starting, balling got a unique lookal
the tattoos and dreads and all. Like, Yeah miami WAS i.
WAS i was enjoying every second Of South. Florida and,
UH i met my wife and it just totally totally
just switched me. Around so that's. AWESOME i, joke we joked.

(01:06:38):
Down i'm, like, MAN i don't know where i'd. BE
i wouldn't BE i wouldn't be, successful like you're talking about,
this second, act this second act will not happen without my.

Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Wife we. MET i played one one more.

Speaker 1 (01:06:48):
Year me and my wife dated for my last season
and then got married two years after we. Met SO
i married a year into my. Retirement but, yeah without,
her there's no, pivot there's no none of this. Stuff
there's no there's no crowded, powder there's no cooking, line
there's NO, tv there's no, rate doesn't. Nothing WELL i
heard going, Backwards Zach thomas has to be on. There

(01:07:16):
zach took A jack took me under his wing, weirdly
and people told me because that that was that was The,
Dolphins thatt J. T everybody knew That zack J t
was The. Dolphins After, marino it was J. T and
they brought In they brought In pope to play next to.
Him they brought It Eddie more From tennessee play next to.
Him before, That Morland greenwood was. Here they had some

(01:07:39):
guy they had some linebackers playing as exact but the
guys that you know the best THAT i already, hear they were,
like for some, Reason zach kind of took me on this.
ONE i don't know what it, was but he just
he would have asked, me, hey and he's just he
made a few, words but He's. Zach he come to
me right after the first. Camp we kind of, saw you,
know he SAW i could. Play and then we're going

(01:08:00):
into after camp and you, know you had that time
off and you come back to pay for the. Season
LIKE i think it was maybe that second day we
come back to like you, know who's the. Starter let's
get ready For let's get ready for the. Jets let's
get ready for. It like that week they see aw
the practice come to the crib and he went up
To he had a whole movie theater in his house for.

(01:08:22):
Film he had the, clicker just like the coaches had
had all that. Stuff and he just sit, there won't say.
Nothing he just watched and he wrote. Notes he's right,
handed And i'd sit to his. Left he write his
notes cross body and just have his notes between us two.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
So THAT i could read.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Him he didn't say, hey, well when it's tight end
he actually. Crawled you, know he wouldn't saying. That he
just write his. Notes he watched the, PLAYER i watched the,
play put his clicker down and write his notes between
us and just keep. White he do it for. Hours
so without, HIM i WOULDN'T i wouldn't have known how.

Speaker 2 (01:08:54):
To be a. Professional that's without zachin.

Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
That Charlie strong was big teaching me football in college
and just like testing me where he saw something in
me THAT i, LIKE i KNEW i was, good but
he would he.

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Would he would really try.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Me he would really bring you talking about like the
saving things where he knew to try. People chuck would
try me at all. Times run to the. Sideline we're Playing.
Florida stayed at. Home one time they had Big Greg.
Jones that was huge. Man he almost destroyed that goy
From North. Carolina he broke my face masks, off my.
HELMET i looked LIKE i was playing in the. Forties

(01:09:38):
we hitting that big gap pop AND i stood up
and my face mass fell. Off he started laughing with
him And Leon. WASHING i had to Chase Leon washing
a little fast ass. Around THEN i had to Hit Greg.
Jones Man Charlie stark coms the. SIDELINE i was not gonna,
say and so you, know it's loudest head us in the.
Swamp SO i turned my turned my head like, this you.
Know so he yell on my ear you, know my ear,
hole AND i don't hear. Nothing AND i look AND

(01:10:01):
i do that, again AND i look at. Him he
just staying in the.

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
EYES i, like what's, up? Bro you All?

Speaker 1 (01:10:08):
American ain't? It we're gonna play like All? American got.
That it was no x and ose. Stuff he called
the time out to bring me over there to like
your game they Are you're our best player and their
best players are your competition went out there involved that.
Game that was like it was the early time out.

(01:10:28):
TOO i was WE i was weird that like why
y'all caught the TIME i so? Early it was for
him to cuss me. Out so that was that was
his way of being, like, no, BRO i ain't gonna
let this happen to you went out there and did.
It So chuck even through high school and he's coming
to my high. School he used to like Get he
used to tell me stuff watching me on film in high.
School come To South, carolina, hey don't get. Deeper he's
the one that high SCHOOL i was to player like

(01:10:50):
nine yards that middle. Linebacker he told ME i was
playing all.

Speaker 2 (01:10:54):
Up he.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Came he's, like, hey play. Deeper he, said you'll get
To you'll get to those. Games you fast enough to
get to those. GUYS i want to see you get
all the way over. There and he d line ain't
holding up. Nobody he was like deeping, up deeping, up deeping.
Up and every YEAR i started backing off back there
with the safety two fifteen of the cowboy, collar the
nine yards deep who and the last one probably my

(01:11:17):
mom because everybody thinks my dad made me start, football
but it was my. MOM i didn't. Play my mom
and dad got divorced WHEN i was. NINE i did
play football TILL i was, eleven and my mom and
dad hated each. Other they cuts each other. Out they
cuss each other out when they wasn't. There i'm using
my dad in the. Summer it's. Racking i'm going to

(01:11:40):
being at night for the school. Year her dad ain't
worth for damn me And tampa In, Atlanta what are
you talking about my? Daddy FOR i thought neither one
of them were for Damn but but, yeah so she
she's the first One Isaiah roddy like throwing your bulldogs In.
Atlanta she was the first one put a helmet in
my hand and just supported. Me she didn't miss a
game UNTIL i got to the league Because atlanta. Easy

(01:12:02):
right Around. Atlanta THEN i got To, Gamesville that's when
THE sec was. Tight now they got people In california
AND sec you used to. Be you could drive to
ANY sec team From gainesville three four hours. Max she
came to every single one of my, my my college.
Games she didn't miss a game TILL i got to THE.
Nfl it was something. Crazy we played In miami And San.
DIEGO i could have flown out there If i'd spend

(01:12:22):
that damn money before THE.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
I ain't Got nan die my rookie. Year it was.
Hurting it's a good lesson to. Learn i'm glad you learned. It.
YEAH i love that. STORY i love That we normally
end with.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
That BUT i want to ask you something BECAUSE i
saw recently on The pivot episode you talked about going back,
home uh for your In, Feroh. Pennsylvania, yeah to go
to your where your dad had a little something for
your Dad randy and passed, away and.

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
How important he was to that.

Speaker 3 (01:12:53):
Community and you walked away and you, said you, know
everybody was talking to you about all the football, stories
but the one thing that really hit home with you
was this little white, lady older white, lady and how
he treated her and how it really came back. Home
it was, like it's all about, humanity being a good
human how separated we are in this world and in

(01:13:14):
this country at times like how important that was for
you to be able to see your father in that.

Speaker 2 (01:13:19):
Life maybe you.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Could share that with us and maybe talk to us
about since, then how you trying to aim to live
your own.

Speaker 2 (01:13:25):
Life, yeah, man you would have GOT i would have
cried two months.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
AGO i would have, well, no it's, FINE i Would,
YEAH i would have cried two months ago because it's
still to this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Day uh it's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Somebody it's crazy to this day when people, say LIKE
i hear, man thank. You IF i hear that anyone
say those two words, TOGETHER i think about my.

Speaker 2 (01:13:49):
Dad and it's.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
CRAZY i never thought that that would trigger that. Thought
so you think you, talking you talking with the, boys
and somebody's le man you, river damn man ls you went,
man thank, You AND i started tearing up because my
dad said that so, much and that was kind of
like all those because we messed around with each. Other
man did too. Old that's around, me daddy, man he'd

(01:14:12):
always say, it so it triggered that in. Me but
that's that was the, thing, MAN i is he LIKE i,
said he was all all, everything like three Time All,
American like he could play. Ball you, know he played
back with shooting on them and with The. Dolphins then
he got locked up too because he was In miami
in the seventies and you know he's on Cocaine cowboys

(01:14:33):
the movie he want Them dolphins going to the airport to.

Speaker 2 (01:14:35):
Pick up the.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Dope, yeah, YEAH i get it solid NOW i get it.
Honest NOW i got two sons if they don't go to.
Jail we didn't already, progressed and my daddy have been locked.
Up but, uh he was just a he could play.
Ball but so everybody's telling me he, played you, know
tight end. Tackle they put him at, quarterback like they're
telling me these football stories thinking it's. Football i'm football,

(01:14:56):
player but those stories like. Him the story was the
lady came up and she was, LIKE i moved Into
pharaoh in middle, school And pharaoh's a little bit he
still still working. Town so everybody from there is, there
and her dad moved in from. Somewhere she was, like
AND i was an outcast because everybody had their little groups.
Already and in eighth, grade seventh eighth grade of middle,

(01:15:19):
school she, said your dad saw THAT i was sitting
by myself at, lunch and he was he was born
to raise fairl cause he was the main he was
the biggest, athlete the big old we had a big
old black. Dude and so he was like he came
and set with, me and that that, second that. Lunchtime moving,
FORWARD i was accepted by everybody Because, randy Big randy
messed with. Me they called Him. Joe he was, like

(01:15:41):
Big joe was my. Friend i'm everybody's. Friend he, changed
he changed the dijector of me of my next five
years UNTIL i left to go to. College just that
with him noticing THAT i WAS i wasn't accepted until
he kept sat with. Me just stories like that made me, think, like,
man HE i know he's a good. Man but just

(01:16:02):
seeing that at that age and just being a good
person and like you, say, man the world is crazy,
now just the people questioning, themselves and then just the social,
media the information that kids are, getting people are getting so,
fast and the negativity that's out there so. Much LIKE
i don't overlook good people LIKE i try my best

(01:16:25):
to make everybody around me feel, better feel. FINE i
try to lighten every Room i'm, in because why wouldn't?
You anger and hate is the. Easiest anger is the
easiest the. MOTION i tell people that all the. Time
it's the easy because NOW i can get, MAD i
can't screaming, yet and NOW i control the narrative of this.

(01:16:46):
Room IF i got pitched right, now everybody get. Quiet
it's an easy. Emotion so that's WHAT i try to
just bring positivity to, everything and knowing THAT i come from,
that knowing my dad's like, That seeing people that aren't,
knowing people that aret my family, Members i'm gonna call
them ANYBODY i know my family members that live in?

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Turmoil you know? Them? People you call? Them how many
people you? Know you call? Them? Hey what's? Up my? Team?

Speaker 1 (01:17:14):
Well you, know the dog, dies SO i gotta deal with.
That and, man they want this mortgage every single.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
Month you, know it's just all.

Speaker 4 (01:17:26):
Bad sounded like that letter from wife That Eddie murphy,
read and so and so the dog died and then
your two cousins.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
Died, yeah and it's just all, negative everything. Negative so
that's WHAT i, like AND i try. TO i do
a lot of charity STUFF i, do LIKE i, said,
honestly LIKE i joke about, it but EVERYTHING i do
is for. Kids Every boys And Girls, Club turkey, Giveaways
christmas Toward. Drive EVERYTHING i do it for kids because
they're Not they're in that situation because somebody. ELSE i

(01:17:54):
want to help them and let them know somebody cares about.
Them because whatever situation they're, in that's the failure of
a grown. Person grown, person failure is a failure of.
You so you just need to tighten.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
Up but the.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
KIDS i try to give that and just help people
out and push people because that's all we got at the, end,
man we all you, know every folks got, money folks got,
love folks got you, know, success whatever you, what however
you see, success but when it's said and, done you
never seen the Damn brinks truck behind.

Speaker 2 (01:18:28):
Hers you can't take it with. You but the people
that are good.

Speaker 1 (01:18:33):
Humans, Man my dad was dead and gone and ALL
i heard was good stories about. Them When i'm dead and, gone,
Someday i'm gonna make sure that, everybody even in this,
room y'all got a, staff AND i want them to
go back to wherever head they're. From The australian girls
From New. YORK i know that BECAUSE i was talking to.

(01:18:54):
It because, hell she came to get me from the parket, like,
hey how you?

Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Doing where you?

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
From and she talked About Veggie, mike which is. Disgusting
don't try to but like, That, LIKE i want everybody
to ever met me for ten seconds if my name
is brought up to be, like, Oh Jenny, Crowd oh,
man he's a great. Dude he's a good. Guy he
hadn't read and talked to. ME i was a production.
Assistant but he, said talked to, me had a good.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
Time you.

Speaker 1 (01:19:18):
Know that's not hurting, me that's not doing that's not
that concing me at. All though it takes something to be,
kind takes nothing to just be nice and be. Kind
and the people that walk around athletes do. It if
you don't you know this, Thing, oh this guy's a butt.
White this guy's a butt. White if you find somebody
that called me a butt. White you need to ask
them what did you do to? Him because there's no
way he just flat out cussed you. Out it might

(01:19:42):
be one of the PEOPLE i beat up in. College
if you find a due the. City don't like me
BECAUSE i broke a dude's. Y'ALL i wouldn't like me
IF i broke my. Jaw BUT i do try to
bring happiness and joy to everyone around. Me AND i
think if the world tried to do, that and this
sounded like a you, know a A Christmas carol, story
if everybody ty do, that, bro it'd be a better.
Place it'd be less negativity and less. Hate but there's

(01:20:06):
a lot of, factors not politically getting, there a lot
of factors in this world that make people go to other.

Speaker 3 (01:20:14):
Direction, yeah, well, DUDE i appreciate, it. MAN i love your.
Energy appreciate you're a special human, being the real. TALK
i love you guys On pivot because you GOT, rc WHO'S.
Rc then you got, you who's nothing but the outside
humorous factor and given the just to love the high by.
Vibrations and you got FRED t who brings the emotional,

(01:20:37):
aspect who may cry sometimes a serious.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
One, yeah, yeah you, know it's just. Awesome. Man he talks. Slow,
YEAH i appreciate, you, man you, know talk a little.
SLOW i also appreciate.

Speaker 3 (01:20:48):
You my brother met you At Kansas city one time
at a bar at THE Nfl draft and he said
you were the most, nicest coolest person.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Ever so you continue to be, yourself, Man so appreciate.
It man for.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
Real, man all love to. Y'all for. SURE i watch.
YOU i watch it ON. Tv he was over that,
chasing chasing is around drug.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Houses. House thank you so much for your for your, service,
sir you're your.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
Welcome sleep in the, safe. Y'all boys on the, FIELD
i was watching y'all he was playing. TOGETHER yea might
not have known. Me, yeah definitely a little light skinned
boy and, man but no man and just the same
thing were talking.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
About man like. This it's a small the in.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
It on the field is a small. Fraternity act too
is a smaller. Fraternity, absolutely and to be a part of,
it you always you always recognize THE i take that
when people have dreads you don't have to know. Them
but if you see somebody with, dreads men a, woman

(01:21:48):
you always nod to. Him it's an un it's an unspoken.
Thing dreads is a. Fraternity it's weird to. ME i
had to learn WHEN i locked. Up when you see
an ex player doing their thing and you see them
out their, grounding see him just not even making money
or being. FAMOUS i see h player out married with
a beautiful family eating. Dinner i'm gonna give him that, nod,

(01:22:10):
Bro and he knows What i'm. Saying i'm not just saying, Hi,
BRO i got. You i'm doing the. Same we're still doing.
It SO i see, You, YEAH i see. YOU i
see what you're. Doing you know What i'm. SAYING i
see that you understand. THIS i see that you figured it,
out AND i respect you for it because we know

(01:22:30):
the other. Side we all know the other, side but
all respect.

Speaker 2 (01:22:33):
Y'all.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
MAN i appreciate y'all having me on this. Platform WHEN
i got the, TEXT i was, like, REALLY i got
to work earlier days for.

Speaker 2 (01:22:39):
Y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:22:41):
Bro appreciate a lit damn doubt all, Right, man appreciate it. Always,
Man thank you chatting for checking in with.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
Us.

Speaker 3 (01:22:47):
Man you're awesome and probably the best pre draft Store.

Speaker 2 (01:22:50):
I've ever heard in my. Life so thank you all
for listening and tune in wherever you.

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Speaker 1 (01:23:07):
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