October 15, 2025 • 41 mins
On the latest Off the Edge with Cam Jordan episode, Cam sits down with world-renowned chef and Netflix star David Chang for a conversation that goes far beyond food. Chang opens up about his rise from line cook to global restaurant mogul and the lessons football taught him along the way. He shares how his ultra-competitive upbringing, high school football days, and even facing off against Jonathan Ogden helped shape his drive and leadership in the kitchen. Cam and David also talk game day eats, David’s Commanders fandom, and how QB Jayden Daniels has him both excited and anxious every Sunday. Plus, Chang reveals his favorite cities for sandwiches, the secret behind great chefs and empathy, and why chicken fingers will always be his guilty pleasure.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Welcome on in.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
This is off the edge of me, your host, Cam Jordan.
I'm super excited because, I mean we always talk about,
you know, what's in between the lines, playing football, the
Pro Bowlers, the All Pros, everybody who comes through, you know,
different sports.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I finally get to talk what I really want to
talk about. I want to talk about food.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You know, like when you're one in five sitting at
New Orleans Saints, you've got to have field to fire
you up, to get you past this streak of losing
situation that we're in right now. We got to get
out this funk. We gotta get back into the wind column.
And how do you do that? But when you bless
yourself with a good meal, you recuperate your mind and
you get your attitude right for this upcoming week, because
(00:49):
it's going to be hell fighting Wednesday, Thursday, Saturday, Friday,
Saturday leading into flying into Chicago to take on the Bears,
who just beat the Washington Commanders past Monday. And you
know what, that has nothing to do with nothing, because
we are focused on the world renowned chef and businessman,
founder of Mama Fuco, David Chang, Big Dog. I appreciate
(01:10):
you tapping in. Uh, I hope, I said, Mama Fuko, right,
I try. I tried it in my head like thirty times.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
It's it's a ridiculous name for sure, but you said
it perfectly. Yeah. Honored to be here man. Thanks Cam.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
It's time for this week's Drive for Success Conversation, presented
by Toyota.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Let's go places.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, man, I mean you got the Dinner Time Live
with David Chang on Netflix, which you know just just
started tapping into your podcast yourself. I mean, you know
what got you into that space from you know, being
being a chef to multiple restaurants.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, I didn't plan on doing media at all.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You know, at the time when you started cooking, you know,
you only saw stuff on PBS or Food Network. And
then some chefs that I really admired started doing tell
levision that were great programming. There's a chef in the
UK named Heston Blumenthal, and he had a fantastic show
that promoted his restaurants and seemed good and he didn't
lose any credibility.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So uh, that was like a no brainer.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Once he said, you know, laid out the framework and
then just started to dapple in it, and you know,
twenty years later. I never thought I'd be on as
many TV shows as we've done. It's been.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It's remarkable, very blessed.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I understand, and look, I've I feel like food and
fat guys go hand in hand.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And I've been a fat guy all my life.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So you know, like when it comes to tailgating or
watching the game, there's got to be food of plenty.
When it comes to my life and the ups and downs,
foods is a necessity. And you know, I think I
probably started off watching what what was that it was?
I always messed this up. I always call it digs,
diners and drive ins, and it's not. It's diners, dives
(02:55):
and drive ins back in the day. And you just
have this super huge appreciation for the people that can
do those that can't do. You know, teach and I
try and teach my kids how to make eggs because
that's you know, we're okay, we're not excellent like you are,
but we do all right, you know when it comes
when it comes down to it, Man, you're sort of
(03:16):
in that pathway of leading the way media wise as
well as you know, international food wise. I mean, you've
got again restaurants everywhere.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, every day just trying
to stay in business.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
That's the way I look at it, right, And you know,
doing media is one thing, but I don't work in
the day to day in the restaurants anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Much like.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
You know, I've always followed sports for a long time,
and I always thought that, you know, it's always assed
obsessed with the peak window of when you're at your best, right,
and cooking is one of those things where there is
a moment in time when you're in you're at your
best for sure, there's like a few year period and
(04:00):
then you're not. And I never wanted to sort of
fade away, and I always wanted to be prepared for
what's next. And another thing that and I'm sure clearly
you know better than anybody else, but people forget or
don't know how physical cooking is. You know, if you start,
(04:21):
if you're working like the meat row station, you could
be carrying like maybe you know, honestly, like two hundred
you know, I want to say two thousand pounds. I
don't even know the pounds. It's in a ridiculous amount,
up and down all day. So it's no surprise when
you see chefs in their forties and fifties. They have
knee replacements, hip replacements, shoulder replacements. So you know, your
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body just breaks because it's a it's full on all
the time, and there's no off season, right, so your
body just breaks. And and I knew that physically, I
couldn't be able to do what I did ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I have a you know, my shoulders replaced. I have
a prosthetic in my neck. I gotta get my L
five L four a play sometime soon. You know, I
just can't cook the way I used to be used to. Yeah,
you should be aggressive. That thing I know about the
L four L five dissected me. It gets real in
the nose tackle do you tackle?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Chef?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
How much of that competitive nature from playing football golf
drives all that you've done as a chef, you know,
and as a content creators, as a restaurant owner as
you know the mama fuku gup.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I mean so much. You know, my dad grew up.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I grew up basically because my dad wanted me to
be a pro golfer. And I played golf every day.
That's all I did, three hundred and sixty five days
a year. I played golf before golf became cool. You know,
like now you go to a course anywhere in the country,
you're going to see like an Asian dad yelling at
their kid. My dad was the first, really was the first,
(05:53):
and you know, I burned out and I never really
played team sports growing up golf, so you know, I
played some soccer here and there, but once it was
shown that I was good at golf, that's all I did.
And then I was accruited to play golf in high
school and I actually never panned out, you know, so
(06:19):
I tried out for football team just because at that time,
that's what everybody did on your freshman team, you know,
freshman year high school. And I got to tell you, like,
that was the craziest experience of my life because I
never knew that you could get hurt and people would
like hit you.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
That was just like a.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
If you've never been hit before in pads, right, Imagine
you're just playing golf all day and you're like, what's
going on. I don't understand the need to overcome pain, right,
the need to have accountability with a teammate and a
coach just yelling at you all day long, and that
was like a big thing for me. It took a
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long time for me to even understand what football was
even I watched it. It was such a foreign thing
to me, playing a team sport and also being in discomfort,
like constant discomfort. And I was not very good my
freshman year, and I was not very good my sophomore year.
It was not really good my junior year. And then
it's just sort of clicked, you know. I was like, Oh,
(07:20):
I got to like really work at this and and
I just sort of just overcome a lot of things
sort of like shaped my sort of football days in
terms of what I brought into the cooking industry. And
one is tolerance of pain and accountability with your teammates.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Right. I didn't realize that playing a team sport I loved.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I love being told by somebody, Hey, you know, do
your job, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Like get you your job, you know, and.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Like when you're only playing a solo sport, it's just
such a weird thing to have somebody tell you that
you're peer like step up. And the only time I
ever felt that kind of atmosphere was in a kitchen.
And I got recruited to play d through football and
the NESTCAC and I want to go to Trinity College,
(08:13):
and you know, there's no scholarships.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
And I was good.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I made all leagues in the DC area, and I
knew that it was never going to be a thing
for me. Right, I'm not athletically gifted, and I just
I'm a grinder, right, I will work my ass off,
And those are all sort of attributes you need in food.
But when I got to cooking, you know, like I
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didn't realize that you have a bunch of people that
you would never expect to be serious people when they
put on the whites, these guys are clowns. They're like
pirates outside of the kitchen, you know, But when they
put on whites, they're as serious as can be. And
(09:02):
I love that intensity. So there was a lot I
took from playing professionals, like not professional organized sports team
sports football, that I took from high school into professional
kitchens and golf. What I learned is always looking at
the scoreboard, always realizing no matter how good you are,
someone's going to be better than you. And that's a
(09:25):
hard thing to learn when you're thirteen years old, right
when you think you're the hottest you know around, and
then I'm sure you know football players feel that all
the time. They're the best in high school, and then
they get to college, they're not the best anymore. They're
the best in college, and then they get to the pros,
but not the best anymore. It's a humbling experience.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, you got to look, you got to embrace the challenges.
I actually look forward to when I wasn't the best, though,
you know, when it came down, when it came down
to college, it was like going from high school, I
thought I was a top dog, you know, scholarships glore.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
You get to college, you're like, man, these are these units.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Like I didn't know men were built like this, you know,
I didn't know they could be six to six and
have these abs and be way two ninety five and
still run as fast, almost as fast as me, or
you know, have these attributes that you're like, man, this
is world class beed.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
You know, come on, cam you you're like a world
class athlete that you cannot fix that way.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
No doubt. But that's the sit like you always like, man,
he's built like a unit. Like you know, in my
high school there was me at six four at you know,
defensive van two sixty five to seventy two seventy five
by the time I left high school. And then opposite
of me was a future number three overall pick Dion Jordan,
which he was six', eight you, know to, thirty but
(10:41):
he ran like a forty, seven four HUNDRED i.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Know he went To university Of, oregon right.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Right, Exactly so that's WHAT i was stparing myself at her.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Career now me when you, again But i'm like, you you,
Know i'm here for. Work i'm here for, tenacious like
long beyond anybody's ever willing to. GO i like those dog.
DAYS i love. It but that's when you're compared yourself
at a sixty seventeen year Old you're, like, oh he's
going to.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
League, Listen i've got work to.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Do. CAM i was fourteen years.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
OLD i was sitting on the varsity team looking across
the field and there was this. Monster i've never seen
a human being this big in my, life and it
Was Jonathan, ogden big, tackle you know WHAT i. MEAN
i was, like, oh you. LEARNED i was, like this
is not going to be a future thing for. Me
this is for people like, that.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Right, right that's What that's What i'm.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Saying when you look, over you're, Like i'm, big but
you look over you're, like, no that makes.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Sense that makes.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Sense university Of oregon came through AND i was like
Rocking university Of oregon gear all sophomore junior year and
they came.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
IN i was, like, hell, yeah they're here for. Me
dion got.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
IT i, Said, OKAY i got work to do when
you get to. College AND i had a, number you,
know number ten overall pick ahead of me In Tyson
ilululu got drafted To.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Jacksonville but that's just.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
It when you when you get to that level and
you can see somebody who's better, you it makes you,
hungrier you, know like it makes you challenge, yourself like all,
right we'll. Shoot if he's faster than, Me i'm gonna be,
stronger smarter. Whatever if he's is he smarter than, me Then.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I've got to be.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Faster twitch here like you find your, niche you're, like all,
right what makes me? Me and then you start honding
your craft from. There for, ME i was, Like i'm
gonna have the best DaMina out of anybody they've ever.
SEEN i run with the. DBS i run with the.
LINEBACKERS i challenge any and. Everybody and that's so you,
know that's where my hat was. Laid and that's Why
i'm able, TO i think play so long BECAUSE i
take the challenge Of i'm gonna go, harder, faster longer
(12:33):
than anybody.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Can in the fourth, quarter when everybody's, tired that's WHERE
i start to.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Excel, well let me ask, you, KAM i love talking to.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
ATHLETES i do a lot of stuff with The Amazon Thursdaynight,
football SO i talk to all of this guys shirm
and wit and. Fits it's, amazing, Right it's like the
best THING i do is getting to hang with those
guys BECAUSE i ask him these ridiculous. Questions because in,
COOKING i now come to the conclusion that the most talented,
cook the cook is very, different never makes a great, chef,
(13:02):
right because you've never developed, Humility you've never learned to
empathize with other cooks that are not nearly as good as.
You you're just, like why can't you make? This why
can't you cook like? This, well you, know the other cooks,
Like i'm just not as good as you. Are AND
i think that being good enough but not the greatest
(13:24):
cook translates to being the best. Chef, NOW i think
it's a little bit. Different it's not apples to. Apples
but do you feel like the most talented athletes in
football always?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Win?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Right do they always pan? Out and clearly the answer is.
No but you know what is the what is the
determining factor for being? Great like your career has been,
amazing you.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
KNOW i think when it comes to a really talented,
player love. Them you know you.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Can't you can't Teach Justin jefferson route running, Speed Devanta
adams route, running catch. Radius you know you can't teach you,
Know Michael thomas catch radius work.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Ethic you.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Know but you could look at those traits and be,
like all, right this is what makes a receiver really really.
Good you, know you love to see a guy runn
a four to three looks great on, paper four to.
Two you love to see edge rusher who runs a
four to four and you, know six' five and got all.
THE intangibles i hate the. Word intangibles show me what,
he's done and show me what he's, made of BECAUSE
(14:24):
then i can tell you how he's going to. Pan
out if you got a guy who's just a pure.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Dog like loves, the game doesn't LIKE if i hear,
things like oh, man like all he does is. Work
out all he does is is, do this do this?
All right but what does you? Do football all? He
like if if you hear hey, man like he's got a,
NonStop motor start me at NonStop motor and we'll go.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
From there because a guy who can play balls to
the wall, Four quarters i'm would take him every time
over a guy who looks the, part like, oh man
if he puts it, all together if he puts it,
all together what are we making?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
AN oblet?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I mean how much is talent worth IN? The nfl?
Is it is it just be?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Talented enough or do you have to, have again as,
you say the, Intangibles Right like i've always wanted to
know because greatness seems to be so hard.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
To, determine granted you if you if you're five six
coming off the edge at a buck, eighty five he's
just not gonna.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Make, IT no i.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Get that But someone, dion right your high, school teammate
you know this? Physical freak how come it doesn't? Translate?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Injuries sometimes like at some point he was going bone
on bone on, his KNEES and i mean.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
You look at, Him, like bro you have all the Characteristics.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Where i've been lucky enough To where i've, been HURT
but i haven't been fully injured and. Taken Out like
i've only missed two games in, my career and sometimes
the best ability.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Is, availability kim.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
That's insane you've only missed two games in. Your career
what's wrong?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
With? You man covid, got Me bro covid got me
one and then the.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Other one we were Playing The. PITTSBURGH steelers i had
a or like. A guard i was like stunting, inside
guard like stabbed through my, face mask broke my. Orbital
bone and then SO then i WAS like i played
the other half just like with my. EYE closed i
WAS like i went to. The tent, they're, like yo
can YOU see i was, like yup and they're.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Like, all.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Right COOL so i go out there out my eyes
like the. WORLD'S inverted i, was like well that's. Not
GOOD so i just closed. My EYE so i was
like located quarterback with both. Eyes close play play a snap.
Or whatever finish. That game, you Know vision vision's good
by like fourth quarter. Or whatever and then we go on,
about it and, they're, like hey you're at a risk
of whatever. It is we got to shut you down.
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THIS game i, was like unless you're taking my pads away,
From me. I'm playing they took the. PADS away, I
said I guess i'm, not playing and then so that
was my. Second game, BUT really, i said, DANG it
i could have, been FALLLESS like i was willing and able,
to PLAY but i Know when i'm on, the FIELD
like i have this responsibility to play for, my guys
and THERE'S nothing i want to do more than winning
the black. And gold LIKE that's i don't know if
(16:56):
you can. TEACH that i don't know if you if
you can, just, say hey like that this is going
to be. About him BECAUSE when i first came out in,
the league that's what the. Knock was i'd never be
a big, sack, guy like, you know may not ever
be a double, digitus guy may not ever, you know
be able to close it out in the fourth quarter
with the sack prowess whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It IS and i. TOOK that i Felt Like.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
MICHAEL jordan i, was LIKE and i took, that personally
like what do you mean my goal is to be.
THE best i don't want to be the best one.
SPECIFIC anything i want to be the.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Best, OVERALL wow i can't believe you've still only missed.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Two games i'm. BLOWN away, i mean how many games have?
You PLAYED.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
So i don't know two HUNDRED and i Just broke
drew's record for most games played as a saying at two.
Something Thirty so i'm like two. Thirty two that's that's, pretty.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Remarkable MAN can i also ask And then. I'll stop i'm,
JUST like i just love talking to. Football players it's
amazing to me what you.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Guys do how sore are you? Right?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Now bro it's weird depending on, The years like there
used to be like year, SIX seven i was, Literally,
Like bro i'm Sore.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
TILL friday i don't KNOW how i.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Do this year ten is supposed ONE because i DON'T
think i was taking care of my body the right
way until year six. Or, seven like once my body
was at the point, OF breaking i, Was like i've
got to figure something. ELSE out i, WAS like i
go to CHIROPRACTOR when i, NEED it i get MASSAGE
when i. NEED it i, was like things got to.
BE regimented i got. Real regimented right around year six.
OR seven i, was like, all, Right well, wednesdays massage, you,
(18:26):
KNOW mondays i gotta, do, cupping breakdown Tissue. Work tuesdays
THAT'S why i take advantage of my long. Distance training,
I'M like i gotta break, THE wind i gotta make
sure my. STRIDE'S there i got to Make sure i'm.
NOT tired i got to work through the Hurt. On
tuesday wednesday is going to be pained because you're sore
and yet you're practicing. Full pads is normally a full.
CONTACT day i, was like and THAT'S where i, Go
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massage THAT'S where i, Go hotel THAT'S where i go
EBPs and, Salt bath THAT'S where i get in the.
Oxygen chamber, it's like that's where it. Goes To Where
now i'm year.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Fifteen And, it's tuesday And now, i'm like, ALL right
I got. Wednesday practice. I'm good does, it, Hurt yeah
but is it like, Oh man. I'm suffering.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Absolutely not i'm actually in a better place NOW than
i used to be because OF how, i regiment my
week schedule AND how i take care of, my body
and That goes that goes a.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Long WAY what i need, To, know like what made
You a? Commander's fan is?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
It, PROXIMITY yeah i grew up IN the i grew Up,
in virginia and if you lived IN the, dc area
that's the only thing. THAT matters, i, mean yeah you have,
the government but It's it's at, the time it was
Just the redskins town and every year we had a
team that could make it all the way and playing
in AN old rfk stadium and you would go to,
THOSE games i mean that.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Was magic the whole stadium, would shake and You Know,
joe Gibbs, the Smurfs, the hogs You Know dale Green
Or Monk, Montic, COLEMAN like, i mean these were PEOPLE
that i would watch and, you know we'd lose, A
game i would cry as. A kid i.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Was devastated, oh man uh speaking, Of, that like, YOU
know i got a ten year, old bro and he's.
That vested he's VESTED in us and he's VESTED. In
lsu and when, we lose my man's like like it
LOOKS like i. Feel Bad like, i'm, like, bro, like,
like hey just because you lose one game doesn't make you.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
A loser you lose, one game it means it's a
challenge that you have. To overcome there's, a.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Light there's a lesson to, be learned and like we
have real conversations about it and then the end.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Of it he's, Like that i'm, Actually hungry like what can?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
We eat when you were, a kid what was your
like what was your go to whether it was during
the game or after the post?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Post game and did a change on if you want? Or?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Loss, oh MAN like i think. IT was I think
i would watch football AND then i would go hit.
GOLF balls i was hitting golf Balls on sundays all.
The time so BECAUSE almost i get these like at the.
Golf club there the case of so THAT'S what i would.
Wait for you know what kind of case?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It is?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Chicken, cake yeah, For sure i'll. TAKE There.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
M yeah i was like you IN.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
THE dmv i was honestly expected like, you know the
little crab cakes or something, like that like a little.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Special.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
CREE no, I mean i mean how, About yourself like are?
YOU man i would say living and working as an
athlete In In, new orleans it has to.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Be impossible.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
If my ROOKIE year i didn't gain a, freshman FIFTEEN
but i gained a rookie like twenty, you KNOW like.
I was i was at all the, GW fins i Was,
AT brennan's i Was At. Desi vegas, YOU know i
was eating my way through my. Rookie year they like
they drafted me to be this you know four eye
technique three, you know three. Four Eyes so i'm really
(21:37):
like a d tackle that they labeled. An end And so,
I'm like, I'm like I'm not i'm not. Big enough
i'm fighting these.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
GROWN men i, WAS like. I gotta i, WAS like.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I Gotta if i'm a, run Stopper then i've got
to buy in and stop. The Run so, i'm like,
all right, Well cool, i'm gonna, you know get a
po boy and it's, you Know, zimmer seafood it's, you
know Going, to kneows it's, you know it's it's, three
two three dozens worth of. Chargot oysters it's, you know
it's the food that makes. You happy, Stay tuned we'll be.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Right back.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Love Eating In.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
New orleans i've spent a lot of time in. That
city and, and.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah tell, me what what's your favorite place To Eat?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
New orleans my, favorite listen the list could go on
and and for those that, are listening your list is
you just name, them all you KNOW what, I mean
like where you want, to go you name them All camp,
but uh my FAVORITE restaurant i would have to say
in one of like, you know it, always Changes but
galatois is one of my favorite.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Favorite, spots yeah because, you, know yeah you gotta put.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
A jacket i love that the downstairs is walking only
and they put all the tourists upstairs right watching and
just there's no restaurant that looks, like it, you know
and every every restaurant that's like that has its, spot right,
And uh galatois is just SOMETHING that i think is
unique in nothing. Like That For, POE boys i, really
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like oh, my god what's the name that's going to
Do as, oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah huh i'm gonna have
to check that. ONE out i don't know if they
got the coldest beer in.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
The, world Man.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
The.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Big goblet it's very, Very, Good.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Okay okay shoot THAT said i, WAS saying i love a.
New one i'll check. That Out that, sai's. Fine okay
when it comes when it comes to, food cities there
was a ranking that you would, put, out uh this.
Year McAfee i'll say you had, you look you had who?
You had.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Number one was, for sandwiches and the top five sandwiches there.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
We go that's what. It Was new orleans was number
three on. That LIST and i, SAID well i, said.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
WELL and i Didn't. Put INDIANAPOLIS and i was on Full.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
BLAST pittsburgh, i mean they got.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Right right everything Downtown de picks closes are like. Seven
thirty like you can't even get a late night Snack.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
In Pittsburgh What?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I'm annapolis.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Are they known?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
For, Sandwiches listen THAT'S what i. WAS saying, I don't,
I guess I guess i gotta try.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
It Out that's i've Been in indianapolis almost Every Combine
I've i've i've like helped with Announced that I'VE never
i Don't think i've ever stopped. For, it hey let
me get up one of Those famous. Indianapolis, Sandwiches no
philly makes perfect sense because you know they got, the
chopped the little chopped sandwiches.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Up in, the air they Got, the yeah that makes that. Makes,
Sense Okay.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
New york makes. Perfect, sense okay, you know just because
of the sheer variety. Of It, all right you can, get,
everything man and in particularly what is underrated Are the mexican.
STYLE sandwiches i was just about, to, say, yeah yeah
tort DOES.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Oh i love a.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Good torta oh, my god please put green chili on
my whatever you're about. To, make, PLEASE yeah. I would
i would, Love that thank you. Very, much, indeed, yeah OKAY.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
L a and then what was?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
NUMBER two I think, I had i. Don't remember It's
Maybe Chicago.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
New YORK m, I mean chicago got great, sandwiches too
and we clearly they got the beef Sandwiches And new york.
Very good, BUT yeah i think THAT l a secretly
under most people probably would to put. Number one but got.
Everything here everything you Got like chinese kind, Of sandwiches
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you got amazing.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Bond MES and.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I do enjoy.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Goodbye me, in FACT sometimes i take the BOW and i,
split it AND then i take the little meat out
AND then i put my own, little SANDWICH like i
make a, bowl Sandwich and, i'm, like.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Like, DAMN listen i think not only do you know
how to play football At a Hall of, FAME level
i think You're a Hall of fame eater.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
As, well, big big, big back. Big, Back, yeah yeah
it's me. Off, season yeah we get we get. Pleasantly
plumped you Know what, I'm, saying like it's it's a.
Good life let, me get let me get back. To,
football look you said some About dan Quiban matt uh
You got Jade and daniels, over there bro L. S
u lsu claimed. Him tough he's really he really went
(26:14):
to A. S u so you Know my arizona roots
makes me claim Him. L su my son claims him.
For sure uh are you all in On On jayden daniels?
Year two he's.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Been, Balling yeah I'm just i'm so nervous. About, him
yes he's.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
A godsend and, LAST year i gotta say last season
was probably if you Ask Any redskin commanders fan that's
been in it for, a while they'll say that was
one of, the glorious most glorious seasons anyone's ever had
because we were not, That good let's, be honest you
KNOW what.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I mean like we were just.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Sort of cobbled the. Team together, but man no One
expected jayden to be. That good, and uh after We
beat detroit in the and went TO The Nfc, CONFERENCE
finals i couldn't, believe it and then we saw just
how good the, you know that was like we should
not have even been in, that game let's. Be honest
and THAT'S what. I THOUGHT but i, had high. High
(27:07):
EXPECTATIONS and i Love jayde daniels, so much but HE
seems i just every time he goes for, A run
i think he's going to. Get injured and it scares
just scares me.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So MUCH knock, I WOULD.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
He's i want, him, forever man like he's. A godsend
i literally love. That man but he broke my heart
a little bit last night with. That fumble but it,
was raining, you know, but man it.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Was raining and that wasn't the first, one, though right
he almost lost the other the other one earlier in,
the game And.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
And bill fumbled and then that. FIRST pass i, can understand,
you know he had a, good.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Game, though yeah he does. Get rattled he's very, he's
like he's. Very calm.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
You know the sacks that were happened to these sacks on,
both sides, good gosh but.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
You know it was raining and you, understood it and
they were still tossing.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
That tater how crazy is that to See that he's
just super, Second, hear yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Like, flappable, YEAH man i think that's just a part
of who, he is, you know with the Interactions that
i've had off, the field like he's, very, calm.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Cool chill i'd be more amped up than he be.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Amped Up and, i'm, Like dang like that's that's how
quarterbacks supposed to, you know like quarterbacks supposed to have, that,
calm cool franchise demeanor. About him i'm always. Turned up
i'm turned up. For LIFE so i don't understand this,
like detached. Like analytical, let me let me. Observe Situation
i'm i'm a, middle. CHILD man i got too much energy.
For that i'm. VERY much i give YOU everything i got.
(28:31):
Right now and you're gonna Know if I'm happy saturday
in between and you probably can't catch a Read on
jay and you don't know if, he's, sad upset mad.
Or happy like it's just, like, cool calm and, it's.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Like, all right this is what we're. Gonna do we're
gonna march down this field and, you see you see.
The product, you know he doesn't. Get rattled he's what,
you said.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
He's unflappable did you did you see anything last night where, you're,
Like okay i'm gonna make sure to make a mental
note of that because you're Playing the bears next.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
As.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Well exactly THAT'S why i was watching. THE game i
was watching them like, all right this is. My study
you Know what. I'm saying i'm watching. The Way Uh
caleb williams is weaving in. And out he can make all.
The throws he escaped the pocket a couple, of times
could have could have took off from, major yards, ran down,
you know run down the yard line just to just
to toss it out to one of. HIS players, i
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mean playmakers on. BOTH sides i get while there was
one and two overall pick and we've got him as
well as a, former decordinator, You Know dennis allen, over
there now a couple of teammates.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
OVER there I mean i, think that, YOU know.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I was i was locked in, that WAY but i
Was watching washington, as, well, like bro that's a good
this is a good.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
ASS game. I love i just love a good.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Game When if i'm not, IN it I have I
don't i want both of them, to, lose Honestly because
i'm petty. LIKE that i was like the worst everybody
else is doing. The better we have a chance of. Making,
Playoffs great so, YOU know i look. At it i'm,
Just like but that being, Said objectively, i'm, like man
these these guys are playing at a.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
High level by, the way for, those listening if you
haven't Been in orleans When the saints are winning or,
doing what it is just.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
The craziest paris. To be it.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Is everybody there's there's very few towns where everybody's rooting For.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
The saints that's, pretty.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Awesome man but going back To, the bears are you
you know they have the new left, tackle right are
you looking at that being.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
LIKE tackle i don't CARE about i don't care about
the obese. Like that, you KNOW like i call them the.
ALMOST athletes. I go i go out of my way
to disrespect offensive lineman EVERY shot i get unless you're.
My own and if you play For, the saints then
you're the most athletic tackles on. The game but off of,
The lineman, i'm, like BRO you're i don't really rush offensive.
(30:41):
Lineman anymore i'm more so rushing. The quarterback AND when i,
SAY that I mean i'm rushing him his spot or
trying to get him off.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
The BALL because I need i want to know where.
HE'S at i want to know what.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
He's doing this fat person in front, of me whether
he's a franchise left tackle, or not he gets, chip
help he gets tight, end help so chip from you
know tight did he gets a little little chip help
from a Running back like for quote, Unquote athletes these
guys get all the help in. The world they got
a little guard, push off they got, you know if
they got their your.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Slide pros are we that special if you need this? Much, help,
no no.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
You're not you're the fat kid that nobody picked for
for basketball or dodgeball or tag and you just happened
to internalize that and become a.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Strong player, SO no i don't know. Their, NAMES no
i don't try to know.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Their names, it's uh, it's number, you know whatever the
number is going.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
TO be i look. At it, i'm like.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Oh OKAY but i was watching them like as they were,
getting beat like the look Like von miller and The Dear.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Ron payne we're having a heyday, back there. You, KNOW
well i, Was like i'd love to.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
See it we got to, continue that we got to
figure out how to emulate What happened monday night just
in terms of pass rush because they were they Were
hammering caleb.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Early on so, you know the farther the.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Better we do as a defen the more chance the
weekend to give, our offense the better we're gonna do as.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
A team so, it all it all starts.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
To coach is it weird that he knows like everything about? You, guys.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Nope nope uh, We, PLAYED yeah i got to Play Against.
Sean payton, You Know.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
DINNIS allen i got nothing but love for For For,
dennis allen respect.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
For him uh for.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
The de coordinator he is like, you know he's he's
going to send. Those blitzes he's know you're gonna have those.
Multiplicity fronts you know you're gonna have. These Shifts and
i'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Tell all the SECRETS because I want i want our
office to.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Be prepared, you know they've got they've got sweat, Over
there they've got they've got some animals all that defense
side of.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
The ball so you have to.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Be, READY man i wish you were on the commanders
that would that would have.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Been, amazing no you got you Got vonn you got
the only person in the league with more active sas.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Than me Is von miller and he's. Over there you
guys are in a.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Great PLACE but I mean i put like THIS when
i come home, from work, you know. Doing whatever we
my kids get EXCITED when i take to, the FACILITY
when i take them to, the stadium when when is,
game day, you know and like after the game they
go on the field.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
And they'll go to locker rooms and all this. Other stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
You know how about like, your, family though do they
do they get that? Same treatment like restaurants they go in,
the back they know how, to work do they are
they do they get those that back scenery even behind.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
THE scenes.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I try not to show. THEM that i really try
not to show.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
THEM that, i, mean yes, they know, you know we have,
A Restaurant major dumb and we Live in, La now
and when they, COME in i try not to like
have them feel like they. OWN it i want them
to be respectful of the people that, work there you
KNOW what? I MEAN because i think the difference is
IS if i was, an employee maybe it would be
a little. Bit DIFFERENT but i don't want my kids
(33:48):
to feel h that they. Own, IT yeah i. HATE
that i. Hate it. So much so, you know they
get most of the FOOD that. I cook but when
we go to a restaurant, in general like they know
they see ME. On tv sometimes they've been to, the
RESTAURANT but i try not to go there, too, much
right so, you Know maybe i'm doing it. Wrong way
(34:09):
but also when my parents, were, alive like they never
came into the restaurant too. MUCH either i don't, know
WHY but i feel like they get they Watched from
afar more than they actually ate in. The, RESTAURANT yeah
i mean we, ate plenty but it wasn't like it wasn't.
LIKE family, i mean, you know because how do you
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do it when you? It's work you KNOW what? I
MEAN and i always want to keep work and like.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Family separate MAN if i had a dad that, could
cook look crazy? Like that do do do like? Gourmet
meals like do? Your?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Kids like does the family expect gourmet meals? For you
every time, you're, Like hey i'm about to cook, SOMETHING
up i.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
DON'T want i know you can do box mac and cheese.
Kills me, i'll, mean listen the fact that your daughter.
IS sushi i wish. MY kids i don't know WHAT
happened I think i created some kind of eating disorder
THEM because i try to make them anything and. Everything right,
you know sometimes we will make pasta from, scratch right
(35:11):
or sometimes we'll even make the elbows for macaroni. And
cheese we've done this a couple, of times the whole thing,
from scratch and my son would still prefer a box mac.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
And cheese did you get?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Him involved did you get? Him involved, like course he
still he didn't want to eat his.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Own, creation, No, NO wow I think i. DON'T know
i don't know what. To, Do literally i'm at a loss.
For WORDS and.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I listen they eat a lot of the STUFF that,
i make but it's always the THINGS that i really
want them to enjoy that they.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Never eat that takes me, to TRAVELING because i. Love
traveling what's your favorite place to Travel?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
To japan.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Have?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
You?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Been, yeah twice three times something. Like, that yeah my
wife's new favorite place took her. Last year, he's, like.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Oh we have to. GO back i, was, like oh
this is the first time you said. Have to, it's.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
OKAY okay i, was, like lit let's start knocking off.
Some ISLANDS and i, Was like japan has got a
lot of culture you. TALK about i started reading, up on,
you know the Base of japan and how was really
what it was like two tribes that sort of started
off with Like the ryuku and the uh what what
what now is Like? The oaklands, But Yeah i'm. I'm
(36:24):
down hey where Where?
Speaker 3 (36:26):
In?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Japan uh?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
YOU know i Lived in TOKYO and i lived in
a place Called A, zumi tatori which would basically Be, Like.
Jacksonville florida.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Japan. Was not. It, wasn't no you don't Just, say jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
No disrespect i'll say you just painted in the most
like serene country ish territory out, but okay.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
But, you know and a lot of family that. Lived there,
You Know korea japan has had, a long not the,
best relationship but my so many of my family members
were basically born and Raised. In japan SO when i Get,
to japan it almost feels more home to me Than
if I'm, in korea which. Is weird but, the food
like those are the first things that were introduced to
(37:09):
me by, My GRANDFATHER so i love the Food. IN
tokyo i think last year we spent a couple Weeks.
In kyoto and if you haven't Been. To kyoto's it's
it's like the size. Of it it's like a It's.
Like boston It's like Boston To Tokyo's New? York city
and which one do?
Speaker 1 (37:26):
You prefer.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
THE older, i get THE more I.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Prefer, KYOTO yeah, i, Mean listen i'm turning forty nine.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
THIS year i don't know what happened AND how i
got so. Goddamn old but if, you're Young and tokyo
is an amazing place.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
To be.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
No Doubt but I'm a. Kyoto Guy like.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Kyoto gets in because you can walk the.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Whole city you don't need literally the whole city can
be walked from end to end in like forty. Five
minutes so. That's amazing and it's, you know you might
have a restaurant next to like a five hundred year.
Old temple you just can't make that kind of. Stuff
up and it's just, more serene it's a little bit.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
More calm.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Its beautiful it's got a great, night life, IT does, I,
THINK yeah I think i had last time, WE went
i had more Fun at KYOTO than.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I did and, don't okay, all right, All RIGHT which
i mean.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
If you're having fun and if if ONE'S of a
and the other ONES at, a plus you're not going.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Wrong there but, uh yeah, you know of course you
can always Go to shinjuku and you Know the ganzu
dish here can have a.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Great time, But like i'm here for the, you know the.
NOT known, I like i like a, LITTLE speakeasy i
like a, good lounge.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
You know, but Yeah absolutely i'm Down. In japan at every.
Every turn if.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
You're gonna Go, to kyoto there's a bar Called Bar,
quasi moto and it's everything that is Amazing about Kyoto.
And japan it's a bartender that looks like he's eighty five.
Years old he's smoking, little cigars and it's it's a
bar where if you order, a drink there's no what
kind of gin would? You like Kind of you just
get what you get and it's it's it's just the.
(39:05):
Cool thing and that's the Thing about japan or any of.
These cities you can discover something that is extraordinary and
it's not in any.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Guide book and, you.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Know in this world where everything seems to be in
a guidebook, or online it's it's fantastic to find something that's.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Completely, analog, ABSOLUTELY yeah i.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
REMEMBER shooting i remember just going and just watching the
craftsmanship of being at. A bar it, was like, you
know you look, it up it's like top fifty bars of.
The world my older brother went, twenty thirteen RIGHT before
i had, a kid so, twenty, thirteen fourteen whatever. There
WAS and i remember just like he took out like
his little little BLADE and i, was, like, hey yo
like he's got it looked like. THE sword i, WAS
(39:46):
like i, was like are we series? Right now he
like chops the.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Ice. Cubes it it was like the first like real
presentation you'd.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Ever seen like other, Than that i've just been at
you know Bars in america where you, just going you,
bar hopping there's no it was like a. Real presentation
THAT'S what, i are like showmanship to the.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Bar seat it's a different game they Play. In, japan.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
ABSOLUTELY absolutely I mean i'd like to, simply, say uh
thank you so much for for for. TAPPING in i
know there's what eleven eleven games left in. The season
your room For. The commanders, YOU know i don't think
we don't play each other, this year, all, right perfect
so you know we we Will have we don't have.
Any discrepancies we've both got our we've both got. OUR
(40:29):
fights I think i think my tunnel is a little
darker than your tunnel is as we as as we're
headed towards hopefully a.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Playoff PICTURE but i appreciate you for tapping in. With,
Me man it's been.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
SO fun i would love to keep on talking because
now we're talking about food, and football the two greatest
parts of my life that go hand in hand with.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Each. Other UH if, I could i just say thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
So Much uh and to all the listeners, out, There
man david has done a phenomenal job, with it not only,
his family but his restaurants and just coming on the
pod has been. A blessing so thank you so so
much for. Tapping in that Was the.
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This is off the edge of me, your host, Cam Jordan.
I'm super excited because, I mean we always talk about,
you know, what's in between the lines, playing football, the
Pro Bowlers, the All Pros, everybody who comes through, you know,
different sports.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
I finally get to talk what I really want to
talk about. I want to talk about food.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
You know, like when you're one in five sitting at
New Orleans Saints, you've got to have field to fire
you up, to get you past this streak of losing
situation that we're in right now. We got to get
out this funk. We gotta get back into the wind column.
And how do you do that? But when you bless
yourself with a good meal, you recuperate your mind and
you get your attitude right for this upcoming week, because
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Saturday leading into flying into Chicago to take on the Bears,
who just beat the Washington Commanders past Monday. And you
know what, that has nothing to do with nothing, because
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you tapping in. Uh, I hope, I said, Mama Fuko, right,
I try. I tried it in my head like thirty times.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
It's it's a ridiculous name for sure, but you said
it perfectly. Yeah. Honored to be here man. Thanks Cam.
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Speaker 1 (01:28):
Let's go places.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Yeah, man, I mean you got the Dinner Time Live
with David Chang on Netflix, which you know just just
started tapping into your podcast yourself. I mean, you know
what got you into that space from you know, being
being a chef to multiple restaurants.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, I didn't plan on doing media at all.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
You know, at the time when you started cooking, you know,
you only saw stuff on PBS or Food Network. And
then some chefs that I really admired started doing tell
levision that were great programming. There's a chef in the
UK named Heston Blumenthal, and he had a fantastic show
that promoted his restaurants and seemed good and he didn't
lose any credibility.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
So uh, that was like a no brainer.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
Once he said, you know, laid out the framework and
then just started to dapple in it, and you know,
twenty years later. I never thought I'd be on as
many TV shows as we've done. It's been.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
It's remarkable, very blessed.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Man.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
I understand, and look, I've I feel like food and
fat guys go hand in hand.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
And I've been a fat guy all my life.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
So you know, like when it comes to tailgating or
watching the game, there's got to be food of plenty.
When it comes to my life and the ups and downs,
foods is a necessity. And you know, I think I
probably started off watching what what was that it was?
I always messed this up. I always call it digs,
diners and drive ins, and it's not. It's diners, dives
(02:55):
and drive ins back in the day. And you just
have this super huge appreciation for the people that can
do those that can't do. You know, teach and I
try and teach my kids how to make eggs because
that's you know, we're okay, we're not excellent like you are,
but we do all right, you know when it comes
when it comes down to it, Man, you're sort of
(03:16):
in that pathway of leading the way media wise as
well as you know, international food wise. I mean, you've
got again restaurants everywhere.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, every day just trying
to stay in business.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
That's the way I look at it, right, And you know,
doing media is one thing, but I don't work in
the day to day in the restaurants anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Much like.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
You know, I've always followed sports for a long time,
and I always thought that, you know, it's always assed
obsessed with the peak window of when you're at your best, right,
and cooking is one of those things where there is
a moment in time when you're in you're at your
best for sure, there's like a few year period and
(04:00):
then you're not. And I never wanted to sort of
fade away, and I always wanted to be prepared for
what's next. And another thing that and I'm sure clearly
you know better than anybody else, but people forget or
don't know how physical cooking is. You know, if you start,
(04:21):
if you're working like the meat row station, you could
be carrying like maybe you know, honestly, like two hundred
you know, I want to say two thousand pounds. I
don't even know the pounds. It's in a ridiculous amount,
up and down all day. So it's no surprise when
you see chefs in their forties and fifties. They have
knee replacements, hip replacements, shoulder replacements. So you know, your
(04:43):
body just breaks because it's a it's full on all
the time, and there's no off season, right, so your
body just breaks. And and I knew that physically, I
couldn't be able to do what I did ten years ago.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Right.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
I have a you know, my shoulders replaced. I have
a prosthetic in my neck. I gotta get my L
five L four a play sometime soon. You know, I
just can't cook the way I used to be used to. Yeah,
you should be aggressive. That thing I know about the
L four L five dissected me. It gets real in
the nose tackle do you tackle?
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Chef?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
How much of that competitive nature from playing football golf
drives all that you've done as a chef, you know,
and as a content creators, as a restaurant owner as
you know the mama fuku gup.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
I mean so much. You know, my dad grew up.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
I grew up basically because my dad wanted me to
be a pro golfer. And I played golf every day.
That's all I did, three hundred and sixty five days
a year. I played golf before golf became cool. You know,
like now you go to a course anywhere in the country,
you're going to see like an Asian dad yelling at
their kid. My dad was the first, really was the first,
(05:53):
and you know, I burned out and I never really
played team sports growing up golf, so you know, I
played some soccer here and there, but once it was
shown that I was good at golf, that's all I did.
And then I was accruited to play golf in high
school and I actually never panned out, you know, so
(06:19):
I tried out for football team just because at that time,
that's what everybody did on your freshman team, you know,
freshman year high school. And I got to tell you, like,
that was the craziest experience of my life because I
never knew that you could get hurt and people would
like hit you.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
That was just like a.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
If you've never been hit before in pads, right, Imagine
you're just playing golf all day and you're like, what's
going on. I don't understand the need to overcome pain, right,
the need to have accountability with a teammate and a
coach just yelling at you all day long, and that
was like a big thing for me. It took a
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long time for me to even understand what football was
even I watched it. It was such a foreign thing
to me, playing a team sport and also being in discomfort,
like constant discomfort. And I was not very good my
freshman year, and I was not very good my sophomore year.
It was not really good my junior year. And then
it's just sort of clicked, you know. I was like, Oh,
(07:20):
I got to like really work at this and and
I just sort of just overcome a lot of things
sort of like shaped my sort of football days in
terms of what I brought into the cooking industry. And
one is tolerance of pain and accountability with your teammates.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Right. I didn't realize that playing a team sport I loved.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
I love being told by somebody, Hey, you know, do
your job, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Like get you your job, you know, and.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Like when you're only playing a solo sport, it's just
such a weird thing to have somebody tell you that
you're peer like step up. And the only time I
ever felt that kind of atmosphere was in a kitchen.
And I got recruited to play d through football and
the NESTCAC and I want to go to Trinity College,
(08:13):
and you know, there's no scholarships.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
And I was good.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I made all leagues in the DC area, and I
knew that it was never going to be a thing
for me. Right, I'm not athletically gifted, and I just
I'm a grinder, right, I will work my ass off,
And those are all sort of attributes you need in food.
But when I got to cooking, you know, like I
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didn't realize that you have a bunch of people that
you would never expect to be serious people when they
put on the whites, these guys are clowns. They're like
pirates outside of the kitchen, you know, But when they
put on whites, they're as serious as can be. And
(09:02):
I love that intensity. So there was a lot I
took from playing professionals, like not professional organized sports team
sports football, that I took from high school into professional
kitchens and golf. What I learned is always looking at
the scoreboard, always realizing no matter how good you are,
someone's going to be better than you. And that's a
(09:25):
hard thing to learn when you're thirteen years old, right
when you think you're the hottest you know around, and
then I'm sure you know football players feel that all
the time. They're the best in high school, and then
they get to college, they're not the best anymore. They're
the best in college, and then they get to the pros,
but not the best anymore. It's a humbling experience.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
Yeah, you got to look, you got to embrace the challenges.
I actually look forward to when I wasn't the best, though,
you know, when it came down, when it came down
to college, it was like going from high school, I
thought I was a top dog, you know, scholarships glore.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
You get to college, you're like, man, these are these units.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Like I didn't know men were built like this, you know,
I didn't know they could be six to six and
have these abs and be way two ninety five and
still run as fast, almost as fast as me, or
you know, have these attributes that you're like, man, this
is world class beed.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
You know, come on, cam you you're like a world
class athlete that you cannot fix that way.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
No doubt. But that's the sit like you always like, man,
he's built like a unit. Like you know, in my
high school there was me at six four at you know,
defensive van two sixty five to seventy two seventy five
by the time I left high school. And then opposite
of me was a future number three overall pick Dion Jordan,
which he was six', eight you, know to, thirty but
(10:41):
he ran like a forty, seven four HUNDRED i.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Know he went To university Of, oregon right.
Speaker 1 (10:46):
Right, Exactly so that's WHAT i was stparing myself at her.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Career now me when you, again But i'm like, you you,
Know i'm here for. Work i'm here for, tenacious like
long beyond anybody's ever willing to. GO i like those dog.
DAYS i love. It but that's when you're compared yourself
at a sixty seventeen year Old you're, like, oh he's
going to.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
League, Listen i've got work to.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
Do. CAM i was fourteen years.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
OLD i was sitting on the varsity team looking across
the field and there was this. Monster i've never seen
a human being this big in my, life and it
Was Jonathan, ogden big, tackle you know WHAT i. MEAN
i was, like, oh you. LEARNED i was, like this
is not going to be a future thing for. Me
this is for people like, that.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Right, right that's What that's What i'm.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Saying when you look, over you're, Like i'm, big but
you look over you're, like, no that makes.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Sense that makes.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Sense university Of oregon came through AND i was like
Rocking university Of oregon gear all sophomore junior year and
they came.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
IN i was, like, hell, yeah they're here for. Me
dion got.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
IT i, Said, OKAY i got work to do when
you get to. College AND i had a, number you,
know number ten overall pick ahead of me In Tyson
ilululu got drafted To.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
Jacksonville but that's just.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
It when you when you get to that level and
you can see somebody who's better, you it makes you,
hungrier you, know like it makes you challenge, yourself like all,
right we'll. Shoot if he's faster than, Me i'm gonna be,
stronger smarter. Whatever if he's is he smarter than, me Then.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I've got to be.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Faster twitch here like you find your, niche you're, like all,
right what makes me? Me and then you start honding
your craft from. There for, ME i was, Like i'm
gonna have the best DaMina out of anybody they've ever.
SEEN i run with the. DBS i run with the.
LINEBACKERS i challenge any and. Everybody and that's so you,
know that's where my hat was. Laid and that's Why
i'm able, TO i think play so long BECAUSE i
take the challenge Of i'm gonna go, harder, faster longer
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than anybody.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Can in the fourth, quarter when everybody's, tired that's WHERE
i start to.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Excel, well let me ask, you, KAM i love talking to.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
ATHLETES i do a lot of stuff with The Amazon Thursdaynight,
football SO i talk to all of this guys shirm
and wit and. Fits it's, amazing, Right it's like the
best THING i do is getting to hang with those
guys BECAUSE i ask him these ridiculous. Questions because in,
COOKING i now come to the conclusion that the most talented,
cook the cook is very, different never makes a great, chef,
(13:02):
right because you've never developed, Humility you've never learned to
empathize with other cooks that are not nearly as good as.
You you're just, like why can't you make? This why
can't you cook like? This, well you, know the other cooks,
Like i'm just not as good as you. Are AND
i think that being good enough but not the greatest
(13:24):
cook translates to being the best. Chef, NOW i think
it's a little bit. Different it's not apples to. Apples
but do you feel like the most talented athletes in
football always?
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Win?
Speaker 4 (13:34):
Right do they always pan? Out and clearly the answer is.
No but you know what is the what is the
determining factor for being? Great like your career has been,
amazing you.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
KNOW i think when it comes to a really talented,
player love. Them you know you.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Can't you can't Teach Justin jefferson route running, Speed Devanta
adams route, running catch. Radius you know you can't teach you,
Know Michael thomas catch radius work.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Ethic you.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
Know but you could look at those traits and be,
like all, right this is what makes a receiver really really.
Good you, know you love to see a guy runn
a four to three looks great on, paper four to.
Two you love to see edge rusher who runs a
four to four and you, know six' five and got all.
THE intangibles i hate the. Word intangibles show me what,
he's done and show me what he's, made of BECAUSE
(14:24):
then i can tell you how he's going to. Pan
out if you got a guy who's just a pure.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Dog like loves, the game doesn't LIKE if i hear,
things like oh, man like all he does is. Work
out all he does is is, do this do this?
All right but what does you? Do football all? He
like if if you hear hey, man like he's got a,
NonStop motor start me at NonStop motor and we'll go.
Speaker 2 (14:43):
From there because a guy who can play balls to
the wall, Four quarters i'm would take him every time
over a guy who looks the, part like, oh man
if he puts it, all together if he puts it,
all together what are we making?
Speaker 1 (14:55):
AN oblet?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
I mean how much is talent worth IN? The nfl?
Is it is it just be?
Speaker 4 (15:02):
Talented enough or do you have to, have again as,
you say the, Intangibles Right like i've always wanted to
know because greatness seems to be so hard.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
To, determine granted you if you if you're five six
coming off the edge at a buck, eighty five he's
just not gonna.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Make, IT no i.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
Get that But someone, dion right your high, school teammate
you know this? Physical freak how come it doesn't? Translate?
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Injuries sometimes like at some point he was going bone
on bone on, his KNEES and i mean.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
You look at, Him, like bro you have all the Characteristics.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Where i've been lucky enough To where i've, been HURT
but i haven't been fully injured and. Taken Out like
i've only missed two games in, my career and sometimes
the best ability.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Is, availability kim.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
That's insane you've only missed two games in. Your career
what's wrong?
Speaker 1 (15:52):
With? You man covid, got Me bro covid got me
one and then the.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Other one we were Playing The. PITTSBURGH steelers i had
a or like. A guard i was like stunting, inside
guard like stabbed through my, face mask broke my. Orbital
bone and then SO then i WAS like i played
the other half just like with my. EYE closed i
WAS like i went to. The tent, they're, like yo
can YOU see i was, like yup and they're.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Like, all.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Right COOL so i go out there out my eyes
like the. WORLD'S inverted i, was like well that's. Not
GOOD so i just closed. My EYE so i was
like located quarterback with both. Eyes close play play a snap.
Or whatever finish. That game, you Know vision vision's good
by like fourth quarter. Or whatever and then we go on,
about it and, they're, like hey you're at a risk
of whatever. It is we got to shut you down.
(16:35):
THIS game i, was like unless you're taking my pads away,
From me. I'm playing they took the. PADS away, I
said I guess i'm, not playing and then so that
was my. Second game, BUT really, i said, DANG it
i could have, been FALLLESS like i was willing and able,
to PLAY but i Know when i'm on, the FIELD
like i have this responsibility to play for, my guys
and THERE'S nothing i want to do more than winning
the black. And gold LIKE that's i don't know if
(16:56):
you can. TEACH that i don't know if you if
you can, just, say hey like that this is going
to be. About him BECAUSE when i first came out in,
the league that's what the. Knock was i'd never be
a big, sack, guy like, you know may not ever
be a double, digitus guy may not ever, you know
be able to close it out in the fourth quarter
with the sack prowess whatever.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
It IS and i. TOOK that i Felt Like.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
MICHAEL jordan i, was LIKE and i took, that personally
like what do you mean my goal is to be.
THE best i don't want to be the best one.
SPECIFIC anything i want to be the.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
Best, OVERALL wow i can't believe you've still only missed.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Two games i'm. BLOWN away, i mean how many games have?
You PLAYED.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
So i don't know two HUNDRED and i Just broke
drew's record for most games played as a saying at two.
Something Thirty so i'm like two. Thirty two that's that's, pretty.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
Remarkable MAN can i also ask And then. I'll stop i'm,
JUST like i just love talking to. Football players it's
amazing to me what you.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Guys do how sore are you? Right?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Now bro it's weird depending on, The years like there
used to be like year, SIX seven i was, Literally,
Like bro i'm Sore.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
TILL friday i don't KNOW how i.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Do this year ten is supposed ONE because i DON'T
think i was taking care of my body the right
way until year six. Or, seven like once my body
was at the point, OF breaking i, Was like i've
got to figure something. ELSE out i, WAS like i
go to CHIROPRACTOR when i, NEED it i get MASSAGE
when i. NEED it i, was like things got to.
BE regimented i got. Real regimented right around year six.
OR seven i, was like, all, Right well, wednesdays massage, you,
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KNOW mondays i gotta, do, cupping breakdown Tissue. Work tuesdays
THAT'S why i take advantage of my long. Distance training,
I'M like i gotta break, THE wind i gotta make
sure my. STRIDE'S there i got to Make sure i'm.
NOT tired i got to work through the Hurt. On
tuesday wednesday is going to be pained because you're sore
and yet you're practicing. Full pads is normally a full.
CONTACT day i, was like and THAT'S where i, Go
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massage THAT'S where i, Go hotel THAT'S where i go
EBPs and, Salt bath THAT'S where i get in the.
Oxygen chamber, it's like that's where it. Goes To Where
now i'm year.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
Fifteen And, it's tuesday And now, i'm like, ALL right
I got. Wednesday practice. I'm good does, it, Hurt yeah
but is it like, Oh man. I'm suffering.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Absolutely not i'm actually in a better place NOW than
i used to be because OF how, i regiment my
week schedule AND how i take care of, my body
and That goes that goes a.
Speaker 1 (19:15):
Long WAY what i need, To, know like what made
You a? Commander's fan is?
Speaker 4 (19:19):
It, PROXIMITY yeah i grew up IN the i grew Up,
in virginia and if you lived IN the, dc area
that's the only thing. THAT matters, i, mean yeah you have,
the government but It's it's at, the time it was
Just the redskins town and every year we had a
team that could make it all the way and playing
in AN old rfk stadium and you would go to,
THOSE games i mean that.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Was magic the whole stadium, would shake and You Know,
joe Gibbs, the Smurfs, the hogs You Know dale Green
Or Monk, Montic, COLEMAN like, i mean these were PEOPLE
that i would watch and, you know we'd lose, A
game i would cry as. A kid i.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Was devastated, oh man uh speaking, Of, that like, YOU
know i got a ten year, old bro and he's.
That vested he's VESTED in us and he's VESTED. In
lsu and when, we lose my man's like like it
LOOKS like i. Feel Bad like, i'm, like, bro, like,
like hey just because you lose one game doesn't make you.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
A loser you lose, one game it means it's a
challenge that you have. To overcome there's, a.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Light there's a lesson to, be learned and like we
have real conversations about it and then the end.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Of it he's, Like that i'm, Actually hungry like what can?
Speaker 2 (20:20):
We eat when you were, a kid what was your
like what was your go to whether it was during
the game or after the post?
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Post game and did a change on if you want? Or?
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Loss, oh MAN like i think. IT was I think
i would watch football AND then i would go hit.
GOLF balls i was hitting golf Balls on sundays all.
The time so BECAUSE almost i get these like at the.
Golf club there the case of so THAT'S what i would.
Wait for you know what kind of case?
Speaker 2 (20:48):
It is?
Speaker 3 (20:49):
Chicken, cake yeah, For sure i'll. TAKE There.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
M yeah i was like you IN.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
THE dmv i was honestly expected like, you know the
little crab cakes or something, like that like a little.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Special.
Speaker 4 (20:59):
CREE no, I mean i mean how, About yourself like are?
YOU man i would say living and working as an
athlete In In, new orleans it has to.
Speaker 3 (21:13):
Be impossible.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
If my ROOKIE year i didn't gain a, freshman FIFTEEN
but i gained a rookie like twenty, you KNOW like.
I was i was at all the, GW fins i Was,
AT brennan's i Was At. Desi vegas, YOU know i
was eating my way through my. Rookie year they like
they drafted me to be this you know four eye
technique three, you know three. Four Eyes so i'm really
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like a d tackle that they labeled. An end And so,
I'm like, I'm like I'm not i'm not. Big enough
i'm fighting these.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
GROWN men i, WAS like. I gotta i, WAS like.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I Gotta if i'm a, run Stopper then i've got
to buy in and stop. The Run so, i'm like,
all right, Well cool, i'm gonna, you know get a
po boy and it's, you Know, zimmer seafood it's, you
know Going, to kneows it's, you know it's it's, three
two three dozens worth of. Chargot oysters it's, you know
it's the food that makes. You happy, Stay tuned we'll be.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Right back.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Love Eating In.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
New orleans i've spent a lot of time in. That
city and, and.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah tell, me what what's your favorite place To Eat?
Speaker 4 (22:12):
New orleans my, favorite listen the list could go on
and and for those that, are listening your list is
you just name, them all you KNOW what, I mean
like where you want, to go you name them All camp,
but uh my FAVORITE restaurant i would have to say
in one of like, you know it, always Changes but
galatois is one of my favorite.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
Favorite, spots yeah because, you, know yeah you gotta put.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
A jacket i love that the downstairs is walking only
and they put all the tourists upstairs right watching and
just there's no restaurant that looks, like it, you know
and every every restaurant that's like that has its, spot right,
And uh galatois is just SOMETHING that i think is
unique in nothing. Like That For, POE boys i, really
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like oh, my god what's the name that's going to
Do as, oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah huh i'm gonna have
to check that. ONE out i don't know if they
got the coldest beer in.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
The, world Man.
Speaker 5 (23:19):
The.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Big goblet it's very, Very, Good.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
Okay okay shoot THAT said i, WAS saying i love a.
New one i'll check. That Out that, sai's. Fine okay
when it comes when it comes to, food cities there
was a ranking that you would, put, out uh this.
Year McAfee i'll say you had, you look you had who?
You had.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Number one was, for sandwiches and the top five sandwiches there.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
We go that's what. It Was new orleans was number
three on. That LIST and i, SAID well i, said.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
WELL and i Didn't. Put INDIANAPOLIS and i was on Full.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
BLAST pittsburgh, i mean they got.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Right right everything Downtown de picks closes are like. Seven
thirty like you can't even get a late night Snack.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
In Pittsburgh What?
Speaker 3 (24:08):
I'm annapolis.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Are they known?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
For, Sandwiches listen THAT'S what i. WAS saying, I don't,
I guess I guess i gotta try.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
It Out that's i've Been in indianapolis almost Every Combine
I've i've i've like helped with Announced that I'VE never
i Don't think i've ever stopped. For, it hey let
me get up one of Those famous. Indianapolis, Sandwiches no
philly makes perfect sense because you know they got, the
chopped the little chopped sandwiches.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Up in, the air they Got, the yeah that makes that. Makes,
Sense Okay.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
New york makes. Perfect, sense okay, you know just because
of the sheer variety. Of It, all right you can, get,
everything man and in particularly what is underrated Are the mexican.
STYLE sandwiches i was just about, to, say, yeah yeah
tort DOES.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
Oh i love a.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Good torta oh, my god please put green chili on
my whatever you're about. To, make, PLEASE yeah. I would
i would, Love that thank you. Very, much, indeed, yeah OKAY.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
L a and then what was?
Speaker 3 (25:08):
NUMBER two I think, I had i. Don't remember It's
Maybe Chicago.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
New YORK m, I mean chicago got great, sandwiches too
and we clearly they got the beef Sandwiches And new york.
Very good, BUT yeah i think THAT l a secretly
under most people probably would to put. Number one but got.
Everything here everything you Got like chinese kind, Of sandwiches
(25:32):
you got amazing.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Bond MES and.
Speaker 1 (25:36):
I do enjoy.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Goodbye me, in FACT sometimes i take the BOW and i,
split it AND then i take the little meat out
AND then i put my own, little SANDWICH like i
make a, bowl Sandwich and, i'm, like.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
Like, DAMN listen i think not only do you know
how to play football At a Hall of, FAME level
i think You're a Hall of fame eater.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
As, well, big big, big back. Big, Back, yeah yeah
it's me. Off, season yeah we get we get. Pleasantly
plumped you Know what, I'm, saying like it's it's a.
Good life let, me get let me get back. To,
football look you said some About dan Quiban matt uh
You got Jade and daniels, over there bro L. S
u lsu claimed. Him tough he's really he really went
(26:14):
to A. S u so you Know my arizona roots
makes me claim Him. L su my son claims him.
For sure uh are you all in On On jayden daniels?
Year two he's.
Speaker 3 (26:24):
Been, Balling yeah I'm just i'm so nervous. About, him
yes he's.
Speaker 4 (26:30):
A godsend and, LAST year i gotta say last season
was probably if you Ask Any redskin commanders fan that's
been in it for, a while they'll say that was
one of, the glorious most glorious seasons anyone's ever had
because we were not, That good let's, be honest you
KNOW what.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
I mean like we were just.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Sort of cobbled the. Team together, but man no One
expected jayden to be. That good, and uh after We
beat detroit in the and went TO The Nfc, CONFERENCE
finals i couldn't, believe it and then we saw just
how good the, you know that was like we should
not have even been in, that game let's. Be honest
and THAT'S what. I THOUGHT but i, had high. High
(27:07):
EXPECTATIONS and i Love jayde daniels, so much but HE
seems i just every time he goes for, A run
i think he's going to. Get injured and it scares
just scares me.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
So MUCH knock, I WOULD.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
He's i want, him, forever man like he's. A godsend
i literally love. That man but he broke my heart
a little bit last night with. That fumble but it,
was raining, you know, but man it.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Was raining and that wasn't the first, one, though right
he almost lost the other the other one earlier in,
the game And.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
And bill fumbled and then that. FIRST pass i, can understand,
you know he had a, good.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Game, though yeah he does. Get rattled he's very, he's
like he's. Very calm.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
You know the sacks that were happened to these sacks on,
both sides, good gosh but.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
You know it was raining and you, understood it and
they were still tossing.
Speaker 4 (27:53):
That tater how crazy is that to See that he's
just super, Second, hear yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Like, flappable, YEAH man i think that's just a part
of who, he is, you know with the Interactions that
i've had off, the field like he's, very, calm.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Cool chill i'd be more amped up than he be.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Amped Up and, i'm, Like dang like that's that's how
quarterbacks supposed to, you know like quarterbacks supposed to have, that,
calm cool franchise demeanor. About him i'm always. Turned up
i'm turned up. For LIFE so i don't understand this,
like detached. Like analytical, let me let me. Observe Situation
i'm i'm a, middle. CHILD man i got too much energy.
For that i'm. VERY much i give YOU everything i got.
(28:31):
Right now and you're gonna Know if I'm happy saturday
in between and you probably can't catch a Read on
jay and you don't know if, he's, sad upset mad.
Or happy like it's just, like, cool calm and, it's.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Like, all right this is what we're. Gonna do we're
gonna march down this field and, you see you see.
The product, you know he doesn't. Get rattled he's what,
you said.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
He's unflappable did you did you see anything last night where, you're,
Like okay i'm gonna make sure to make a mental
note of that because you're Playing the bears next.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
As.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Well exactly THAT'S why i was watching. THE game i
was watching them like, all right this is. My study
you Know what. I'm saying i'm watching. The Way Uh
caleb williams is weaving in. And out he can make all.
The throws he escaped the pocket a couple, of times
could have could have took off from, major yards, ran down,
you know run down the yard line just to just
to toss it out to one of. HIS players, i
(29:17):
mean playmakers on. BOTH sides i get while there was
one and two overall pick and we've got him as
well as a, former decordinator, You Know dennis allen, over
there now a couple of teammates.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
OVER there I mean i, think that, YOU know.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I was i was locked in, that WAY but i
Was watching washington, as, well, like bro that's a good
this is a good.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
ASS game. I love i just love a good.
Speaker 2 (29:39):
Game When if i'm not, IN it I have I
don't i want both of them, to, lose Honestly because
i'm petty. LIKE that i was like the worst everybody
else is doing. The better we have a chance of. Making,
Playoffs great so, YOU know i look. At it i'm,
Just like but that being, Said objectively, i'm, like man
these these guys are playing at a.
Speaker 4 (29:56):
High level by, the way for, those listening if you
haven't Been in orleans When the saints are winning or,
doing what it is just.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
The craziest paris. To be it.
Speaker 4 (30:05):
Is everybody there's there's very few towns where everybody's rooting For.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
The saints that's, pretty.
Speaker 4 (30:10):
Awesome man but going back To, the bears are you
you know they have the new left, tackle right are
you looking at that being.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
LIKE tackle i don't CARE about i don't care about
the obese. Like that, you KNOW like i call them the.
ALMOST athletes. I go i go out of my way
to disrespect offensive lineman EVERY shot i get unless you're.
My own and if you play For, the saints then
you're the most athletic tackles on. The game but off of,
The lineman, i'm, like BRO you're i don't really rush offensive.
(30:41):
Lineman anymore i'm more so rushing. The quarterback AND when i,
SAY that I mean i'm rushing him his spot or
trying to get him off.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
The BALL because I need i want to know where.
HE'S at i want to know what.
Speaker 2 (30:51):
He's doing this fat person in front, of me whether
he's a franchise left tackle, or not he gets, chip
help he gets tight, end help so chip from you
know tight did he gets a little little chip help
from a Running back like for quote, Unquote athletes these
guys get all the help in. The world they got
a little guard, push off they got, you know if
they got their your.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Slide pros are we that special if you need this? Much, help,
no no.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
You're not you're the fat kid that nobody picked for
for basketball or dodgeball or tag and you just happened
to internalize that and become a.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Strong player, SO no i don't know. Their, NAMES no
i don't try to know.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Their names, it's uh, it's number, you know whatever the
number is going.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
TO be i look. At it, i'm like.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Oh OKAY but i was watching them like as they were,
getting beat like the look Like von miller and The Dear.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Ron payne we're having a heyday, back there. You, KNOW
well i, Was like i'd love to.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
See it we got to, continue that we got to
figure out how to emulate What happened monday night just
in terms of pass rush because they were they Were
hammering caleb.
Speaker 1 (31:55):
Early on so, you know the farther the.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Better we do as a defen the more chance the
weekend to give, our offense the better we're gonna do as.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
A team so, it all it all starts.
Speaker 3 (32:05):
To coach is it weird that he knows like everything about? You, guys.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
Nope nope uh, We, PLAYED yeah i got to Play Against.
Sean payton, You Know.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
DINNIS allen i got nothing but love for For For,
dennis allen respect.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
For him uh for.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
The de coordinator he is like, you know he's he's
going to send. Those blitzes he's know you're gonna have those.
Multiplicity fronts you know you're gonna have. These Shifts and
i'm gonna.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
Tell all the SECRETS because I want i want our
office to.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Be prepared, you know they've got they've got sweat, Over
there they've got they've got some animals all that defense
side of.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
The ball so you have to.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
Be, READY man i wish you were on the commanders
that would that would have.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Been, amazing no you got you Got vonn you got
the only person in the league with more active sas.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Than me Is von miller and he's. Over there you
guys are in a.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Great PLACE but I mean i put like THIS when
i come home, from work, you know. Doing whatever we
my kids get EXCITED when i take to, the FACILITY
when i take them to, the stadium when when is,
game day, you know and like after the game they
go on the field.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
And they'll go to locker rooms and all this. Other stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
You know how about like, your, family though do they
do they get that? Same treatment like restaurants they go in,
the back they know how, to work do they are
they do they get those that back scenery even behind.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
THE scenes.
Speaker 3 (33:22):
I try not to show. THEM that i really try
not to show.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
THEM that, i, mean yes, they know, you know we have,
A Restaurant major dumb and we Live in, La now
and when they, COME in i try not to like
have them feel like they. OWN it i want them
to be respectful of the people that, work there you
KNOW what? I MEAN because i think the difference is
IS if i was, an employee maybe it would be
a little. Bit DIFFERENT but i don't want my kids
(33:48):
to feel h that they. Own, IT yeah i. HATE
that i. Hate it. So much so, you know they
get most of the FOOD that. I cook but when
we go to a restaurant, in general like they know
they see ME. On tv sometimes they've been to, the
RESTAURANT but i try not to go there, too, much
right so, you Know maybe i'm doing it. Wrong way
(34:09):
but also when my parents, were, alive like they never
came into the restaurant too. MUCH either i don't, know
WHY but i feel like they get they Watched from
afar more than they actually ate in. The, RESTAURANT yeah
i mean we, ate plenty but it wasn't like it wasn't.
LIKE family, i mean, you know because how do you
(34:30):
do it when you? It's work you KNOW what? I
MEAN and i always want to keep work and like.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Family separate MAN if i had a dad that, could
cook look crazy? Like that do do do like? Gourmet
meals like do? Your?
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Kids like does the family expect gourmet meals? For you
every time, you're, Like hey i'm about to cook, SOMETHING
up i.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
DON'T want i know you can do box mac and cheese.
Kills me, i'll, mean listen the fact that your daughter.
IS sushi i wish. MY kids i don't know WHAT
happened I think i created some kind of eating disorder
THEM because i try to make them anything and. Everything right,
you know sometimes we will make pasta from, scratch right
(35:11):
or sometimes we'll even make the elbows for macaroni. And
cheese we've done this a couple, of times the whole thing,
from scratch and my son would still prefer a box mac.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
And cheese did you get?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Him involved did you get? Him involved, like course he
still he didn't want to eat his.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Own, creation, No, NO wow I think i. DON'T know
i don't know what. To, Do literally i'm at a loss.
For WORDS and.
Speaker 4 (35:36):
I listen they eat a lot of the STUFF that,
i make but it's always the THINGS that i really
want them to enjoy that they.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Never eat that takes me, to TRAVELING because i. Love
traveling what's your favorite place to Travel?
Speaker 3 (35:47):
To japan.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Have?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
You?
Speaker 2 (35:51):
Been, yeah twice three times something. Like, that yeah my
wife's new favorite place took her. Last year, he's, like.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Oh we have to. GO back i, was, like oh
this is the first time you said. Have to, it's.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
OKAY okay i, was, like lit let's start knocking off.
Some ISLANDS and i, Was like japan has got a
lot of culture you. TALK about i started reading, up on,
you know the Base of japan and how was really
what it was like two tribes that sort of started
off with Like the ryuku and the uh what what
what now is Like? The oaklands, But Yeah i'm. I'm
(36:24):
down hey where Where?
Speaker 3 (36:26):
In?
Speaker 1 (36:26):
Japan uh?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
YOU know i Lived in TOKYO and i lived in
a place Called A, zumi tatori which would basically Be, Like.
Jacksonville florida.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Japan. Was not. It, wasn't no you don't Just, say jacksonville.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
No disrespect i'll say you just painted in the most
like serene country ish territory out, but okay.
Speaker 4 (36:48):
But, you know and a lot of family that. Lived there,
You Know korea japan has had, a long not the,
best relationship but my so many of my family members
were basically born and Raised. In japan SO when i Get,
to japan it almost feels more home to me Than
if I'm, in korea which. Is weird but, the food
like those are the first things that were introduced to
(37:09):
me by, My GRANDFATHER so i love the Food. IN
tokyo i think last year we spent a couple Weeks.
In kyoto and if you haven't Been. To kyoto's it's
it's like the size. Of it it's like a It's.
Like boston It's like Boston To Tokyo's New? York city
and which one do?
Speaker 1 (37:26):
You prefer.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
THE older, i get THE more I.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Prefer, KYOTO yeah, i, Mean listen i'm turning forty nine.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
THIS year i don't know what happened AND how i
got so. Goddamn old but if, you're Young and tokyo
is an amazing place.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
To be.
Speaker 1 (37:42):
No Doubt but I'm a. Kyoto Guy like.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Kyoto gets in because you can walk the.
Speaker 4 (37:46):
Whole city you don't need literally the whole city can
be walked from end to end in like forty. Five
minutes so. That's amazing and it's, you know you might
have a restaurant next to like a five hundred year.
Old temple you just can't make that kind of. Stuff
up and it's just, more serene it's a little bit.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
More calm.
Speaker 2 (38:04):
Its beautiful it's got a great, night life, IT does, I,
THINK yeah I think i had last time, WE went
i had more Fun at KYOTO than.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
I did and, don't okay, all right, All RIGHT which
i mean.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
If you're having fun and if if ONE'S of a
and the other ONES at, a plus you're not going.
Speaker 1 (38:21):
Wrong there but, uh yeah, you know of course you
can always Go to shinjuku and you Know the ganzu
dish here can have a.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
Great time, But like i'm here for the, you know the.
NOT known, I like i like a, LITTLE speakeasy i
like a, good lounge.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
You know, but Yeah absolutely i'm Down. In japan at every.
Every turn if.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
You're gonna Go, to kyoto there's a bar Called Bar,
quasi moto and it's everything that is Amazing about Kyoto.
And japan it's a bartender that looks like he's eighty five.
Years old he's smoking, little cigars and it's it's a
bar where if you order, a drink there's no what
kind of gin would? You like Kind of you just
get what you get and it's it's it's just the.
(39:05):
Cool thing and that's the Thing about japan or any of.
These cities you can discover something that is extraordinary and
it's not in any.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
Guide book and, you.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
Know in this world where everything seems to be in
a guidebook, or online it's it's fantastic to find something that's.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
Completely, analog, ABSOLUTELY yeah i.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
REMEMBER shooting i remember just going and just watching the
craftsmanship of being at. A bar it, was like, you
know you look, it up it's like top fifty bars of.
The world my older brother went, twenty thirteen RIGHT before
i had, a kid so, twenty, thirteen fourteen whatever. There
WAS and i remember just like he took out like
his little little BLADE and i, was, like, hey yo
like he's got it looked like. THE sword i, WAS
(39:46):
like i, was like are we series? Right now he
like chops the.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Ice. Cubes it it was like the first like real
presentation you'd.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Ever seen like other, Than that i've just been at
you know Bars in america where you, just going you,
bar hopping there's no it was like a. Real presentation
THAT'S what, i are like showmanship to the.
Speaker 3 (40:02):
Bar seat it's a different game they Play. In, japan.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Absolutely.
Speaker 2 (40:07):
ABSOLUTELY absolutely I mean i'd like to, simply, say uh
thank you so much for for for. TAPPING in i
know there's what eleven eleven games left in. The season
your room For. The commanders, YOU know i don't think
we don't play each other, this year, all, right perfect
so you know we we Will have we don't have.
Any discrepancies we've both got our we've both got. OUR
(40:29):
fights I think i think my tunnel is a little
darker than your tunnel is as we as as we're
headed towards hopefully a.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
Playoff PICTURE but i appreciate you for tapping in. With,
Me man it's been.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
SO fun i would love to keep on talking because
now we're talking about food, and football the two greatest
parts of my life that go hand in hand with.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Each. Other UH if, I could i just say thank you.
Speaker 2 (40:49):
So Much uh and to all the listeners, out, There
man david has done a phenomenal job, with it not only,
his family but his restaurants and just coming on the
pod has been. A blessing so thank you so so
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