December 17, 2025 • 29 mins
This week on the Off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast, Cam is joined by 4-time NBA Champion and Warriors star Draymond Green. Draymond shares his candid thoughts on whether the NBA has gotten soft, his favorite NFL players to watch, and Justin Herbert declining to do a post-game interview.
Later he details how much longer he plans to play in the NBA and explains why he can’t see himself suiting up anywhere other than Golden State.
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Speaker 1 (00:06):
Hey, welcome on in.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's a winning week, Sainte Sway, so I actually got
a smile on my face for real.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
I don't have to talk about how we lost or whatever. No,
how we won.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
My dog Tyler Shuck put two of the end zone
by himself on the ground, feet working. My young Buck
Devin Neil scored his first touchdown in the NFL. Shout
out to the Saints beating the Buccaneers or Buck Cantiers.
It depends on how you look at it.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Either way. You know, I'm super excited.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You know that not only guys are here off the
edge the podcast with me, your host Cam Jordan, but
I got to introduce one of my guys that I've
known for quite a long time, inadvertently on the other
side of the league. You know that the NFL, then
there's the NBA. You know the talle as hell they
make all you know, they make great plays and their
own rights. But he even had a little touch, a
(00:50):
little stint with football. We'll get in that later, but
I'm talking about Michigan State alum.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
You know it was spartan if you will.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Fourteenth season with the Golden State Warriors, time NBA champion
four time NBA All Star, one of the greatest picks
in the image of second round picks and NBA Draft,
one of the greatest.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Defenders that we're gonna talk about, and Dremond Green.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It's time for this week's Drive for Success Conversation, presented
by Toyota.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Let's go places, my guy.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
What's up, my brother? How are you?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You know, just from a guy who who loves defense,
loves Washington defense being played.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I love I love the aggressive manner in which you
bring to the table.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You know, I say all basketball players are soft, but
I don't mean all of them. I mean the new
ones and I really mean, you know, like the ones
that don't have a defensive mindset like yourself.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
We talked about this before.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I appreciate that, brother.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
You know, I agree with you, like a lot of
basketball players are soft. That's just the reality. I think
the game has gotten a lot softer than it is.
And you know, I think the toughness that a lot
of guys used to bring to the NBA isn't really
accepted in the NBA anymore. So I I agree with you,
(02:01):
a lot of guys are soft. You're not wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, Look, you know my My wife played ball over
in California, went to uh, you know, went to Marlborough
High School McDonald's all American back in the gap, back
in like two thousand.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Who lord, when we got out high school.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Two thousand, she was twenty twelve million in two thousand
and eight. Who yeah, yeah, way back way back then.
But you know, she talks about you know, her favorite
point guard was was Isaiah Thomas. So she talks about
the Detroit bad Boys all the time. So she's like, yeah,
the game soft woo the wool. It's always you know,
everybody old always wants to talk about how the game
used to be playing, like it's it for next game now.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And it's definitely it's definitely a for next game. Listen.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Like I said, I agree that the game is softer.
I do also think like there are some guys that
are more physical than the game allows, you know, but
the rules that say Isaiah Thomas or you know, older
guys played or that we're not allowed to play under
those same.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Rules though, you know, so it does piss me off
on some of those.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Guys going to be like yeah, they soft as hell,
and like the game soft as hell, like because we're
not in control of all of that, you know what
I'm saying, Like, yes, there's a group of soft guys,
but by the way, just so we're clear, there were
a group of soft guys that played in the league
back then as well, Like everybody wasn't tough that played
in the league in the nineties, you know. So there
is a group of guys that are soft, but there's
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also a group of guys that are physical, that play
the game physical as well, And you're.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Not always allowed to play that way.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
You're not allowed to do the things that they were
allowed to do back in the day.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
So I think there's you know, there is some truth
to every statement, you.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Know, but I think a little bit of it is
pushed a little far because they try to make it
like one size fits all, and that's not the case.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Look, you know, guys, guys looked at you know, ray
Lewis the way he would come down to smack a
receiver in the middle.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You can't do that anymore, you cannot. I used to
look at it gone, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Safety safety Joey Brown aer over it at the Minnesota Vikings.
They called him the claw, like he was going by
and snagging you from your neck is not loud anymore.
You can't do that, Like I know, there's rules in
just the advantage of time.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It happens, absolutely, I think, you know, you can even
go like more recently, a cam Chancellor like Cam Chancellor
couldn't play INNFL today, He just wouldn't. He'd be suspended
every other week. No, you think of a Vantae perfect
who was suspended a lot even during.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
His time, but he lay in heralded in the nineties.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Absolutely, but you look at when he played and even now,
like taking a step further to advantage played now, you know,
and he played well years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, absolutely, he's been kicked out two times over. They
were trying to kick it out while he was playing exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
So I think you know when you look at it.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
But that's also like the sports were more violent then,
but they didn't make as much money as they do now,
you know, And so you look at taking some of
the violence out and what the revenue did. You know,
It all makes sense at the end of the day.
So we can on complaining to be like, oh man,
they call it too soft, you know, or yeah, you know,
on both on both sides of the NBA and NFL.
(05:06):
But at the end of the day, it's clearly has
some benefiting. I don't I'm not complaining about that. I
know you're not complaining about that. So it is give
and take with.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Everything, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So do you see the uh you saw the Chargers
uh Eagles game, you know, and the way it concluded.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You saw the just charge of squeak one out.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I said, okay, okay, you know, justin Herbert trying to
go celebrate with his with his with his teammates, trying
to be a team guy.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Laura Relative, who I think is a great, a great reporter,
comes up, Hey, you gotta get a second with Hey,
I'm trying to celebrate my teammates. Yeah, I hear you
come talk to me, you know. And then I thought
nothing of it. But I see, you know, social media
going on rampage, like you know what you play. You know,
somebody say, you know how much you make and you
have to you have to do these report, you know,
talk to the reporters. I'm like, in the moment, he's
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trying to celebrate with his team. I see from both sides.
I don't know if you got to got a chance
to see that.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yes, I did see it. I see it from both
sides as well.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
You know, that goes back to like just talking about
the money of it, right, like the business of football,
the business of basketball. I was talking to a friend
of mine yesterday who plays overseas and he used to
play in the league, and he was just telling me,
like some of the complaints that he has over there,
you know, like we all shore our complaints with our boys, right,
and he was telling me like some of the complaints
(06:24):
that he has. And when he finished, I just said
to him, I said yeah. He was like, but all
in all them good, bro, Like it's great. And when
he finished, I said, yeah, the business of basketball, because
you know, you dealt with the business of basketball in
the NBA. You go overseas, you're gonna deal with the
business of basketball there too. It's not going away, you know.
(06:44):
And it was just kind of like my subtle reminder
for him of like, yeah, we played this game, but
don't forget.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
About the business of basketball, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
So speaking the law, she's going to do her job,
which which like you said, she's a great at it.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Take nothing away from her.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
And her job isn't really going to require her to
have any feel right, So she ain't, you know, She
just like, I gotta get this interview because that's my
job and that's what I'm required to do. Justin Herber
hand surgery a week ago, comes out, play through a
lead these guys getting crushed like he's been getting crushed
all year. Still leads these guys to victory. And that's
(07:21):
who we need to talk to. She's doing her job.
I can't be mad at her for doing her job.
But in that moment, he want to go. He want
to go celebrate with his teammates. Now here's what I
will say. He's probably a little pissed off in that
moment about something, right although they want, it's pissed off
about something that taking place in that game.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So I really don't feel like.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Talking to you right now. I'm gonna go over here
and talk. I'm gonna go over here and celebrate with
my teammates. I really don't feel like when she grabbed
I'm going to celebrate my teammates. Where I will give
Justin Herbert credit is he stopped. He did the end,
you know, and I can respect that. To your point,
I didn't think it was a very big deal either.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And then I saw people like, well, you know how
much money you making? How much?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
And I'm just like, hmm, if all Justin Herbert wanted
to do his interviews, he don't make that money. So
miss me with the you know how much money you made?
You got to do that? No, no, no, what he
has to do is what he did. He has to
go win football games. And if he win football games,
he makes that money for being a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
He don't make that that type of money.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Tom Brady makes that type of money for talking about
the game. Just Herbert doesn't make that type of money
for talking about the game. So miss me with the
when people try to act like, oh man, you just
got to do this, and I don't have to do
anything but go play this game.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And as long as I play this game at a
very high level, even.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
If I don't do the interviews Mark Shawn Lynch, they
still gonna pay me at a very high level.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
So miss me with that.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I was.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
What fills the seats is the talent involved.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You know, like Justin Herbert is a is a is
a headliner.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You know that there's nothing throws he made.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
There's a reason why they won, you know, and that's
the reason why they want to interview him.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
When you make big plays, you get big questions.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Exactly, they didn't go interview the third string quarterback. So again,
don't tell me it's it's responsibility and that's why he's paid.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Stop with that. That's not why he's fade.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It's not, no doubt. Look, that's that's I just wanted
to see if he was taking a spin. I was
just like you, you're on the podcast side. I'm on
this podcast side. I was like, I get both sides
of it, you know, like we can you know, we can,
we can pivot, you know, as pro pro athletes says dads,
you know, congratulations your fifth one coming up. Well, I'm
saying in advance, you know, whenever, whenever, Uh, as long
(09:39):
as as long as the baby's healthy. That's all we
really pressed for his dads.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
That's it. That's it. Healthy baby, healthy mama. With the birth.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
You know, everything goes smooth. You know, we get them
through it. Uh, but that's a little rough right now.
My grade's about to pop through this die and start
coming back.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, you know he's gonna put the die out there.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
The Beijing Absolutely, it's not Beijing. But I did die
for sure. No, I you know, I am not ashamed
about it.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I'm not there yet. I'm not there.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I got I think I got a couple, but I'm like,
you know, I keep it normally. I keep it low anyways,
And what does when it does sticking out? It's just
a few, and I'm cool.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
A few checked this out.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
So this past summer, my wife and I great friends
with Taylor Rooks, and we goes to Taylor's wedding and
Taylor does this thing where the portraits and the black
and white, and so we go take the portrait and
we get the portrait, and I with my wife, I'm
(10:41):
like holding her like like this, like like the way
that she's like sitting on the stool and my arm
is like wrapped around the shoulder and I'm leaning in.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And man, my wife.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Looked gorgeous, like she looked like a beautiful young lady,
and I looked like her grandfather. I had like the
gray stuck out so crazy on the black and white portrait.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It was that day that I said, oh I'm done.
That's it.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Like I hit my barber bro. I was so anti
like all of the enhancement stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
I used to go crazy at my barber. I'm like, bro, like,
don't spray up. I hit my barber. As soon as
he walked through walking the door. He walked on the door,
he started cutting my hair. I'm like, blince to die
like where. He's like, what what you talking about? I'm like,
blin is to die, Like it's time, bro. And he's
sitting there like.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Like like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Bro? Like like I need to die blaz. He's like,
what you coming on to the other side.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I'm like, yeah, bro, it's time. We door dashed to die.
And we've been rewinding it ever since.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Rewind time. You know, you just want to look good.
You just want.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Especially on the court, y'all ain't got no help. Macy
all hide nowhere, you camera here no more.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Man. They after you know, everybody saying I'm older than
what I am.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I'm like, nah, bro, I'm getting up there, but I'm
thirty five.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I can still go out, and so I'm like, nah,
I gotta go.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I gotta go. I mean, that is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I just think with four kids, how much how much
locker room access do they get? Do they get the
whole you know, I got I got four kids, right,
you know, and my son gets come with me. You know,
my girls like, Dad, can I go to work? I
can't bring you to the locker room. Baby, I'm not
gonna lie to you. Guys, get guys, get undressed there.
I can't bring you.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I can bring you, know I can. I can bring
you to the to the field. I can bring you
to the game. Can't go to the locker room. So
as Saturday's I take my kid, my boy tomorrow, Davis,
he brings his kid. I make him run. They do
routes at this point, like last couple of weeks, you know,
they're like they're like, man, how hard are we going?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Now?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
We're gonna go get in the morning before it starts up.
I get my little jog in with you. But like,
how much access do your kids get?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
You know, Steve curR is incredible about family and so
like my kids, my wife, they can fly on our
team playing anytime they want, like whole trip, one flight.
Steve Kerr has been or is and has always been
(13:09):
amazing about that access any practice, any game.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Break them. You know, like my son comes in the
locker room.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
My girls, they come down the stairs from the game
with us and they go to the court, you know,
Like they go off to the court and it's it's
like a full blong daycare, like like they're they're out
there running a month, you know, and and.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
So they get access. I'm very grateful for that. My son.
Last week, I hadn't seen my son in a month.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
With our with the way our schedules, the way our
schedule were, I hadn't seen him in a month, and
so we were home and I was going to be
able to see him for twenty four hours. He sat
on the bench with us that day, you know, like
and he gave a handed out time and stuff. Again,
like Steve curR is amazing when it comes to that stuff,
And that was so important to me just to spend
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that time with him, Like even when I'm about.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
To gain because i haven't seen him in a month
and I'm about to be gone in.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Twenty four and I got twenty four hours and I'm
about to be gone, you know. So I'm very grateful
in that aspect that our organization is great about that
you allow them to spend as much time as they
want to spend or we want to have them, So
I appreciate that side of.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
It, no doubt. Have you introduced them to the coltels yet.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
My son has been in the colt My girls have not.
But he's hopped in there and these kids. Crazy man,
He's like, oh yeah, oh he embraced it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Hey, good for him. Bro, I don't believe in the Kolto.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
But my son was having some growing pains, you know, like,
oh damn, my ship's hurt, my knees hurt. I said, hey, bro,
I know a way to get you right. And you
put them in to put them in the Kolto. My man, Dad,
what is this. We're not supposed to be here, going.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
To goat up. I don't, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
All these years, you're not in the Kolto.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
No, sir, I believe in heat. I believe in heat. Restore,
restore me at my fullest. I'm from Arizona, with school California.
I've been in the South of the last fifteen I
deserve heat. If it's ninety degrees, I'm happy. If it's
sub seventy five, what are we doing? Oh my god, Hey,
I'm big.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I'm big. Hot tub.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I didn't even get to the hotel to year ten.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Look, right around twenty nine thirty, I started like, all right,
I gotta really start taking care of my body. I
really used to just flex it. I'm here for all
the smoke with none of the repercussions. And now I'm
in all the rehabs. I'm in all the prehabs.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I'm in the hotel every day, steamroom.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I mean, all of it, all of it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
But I mean, you know, as we get older, you know,
mortality catches up with all of this.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I used to be like I getting up, I get
in a hot to. I used to treat it like
people drinking coffee. Now I'm eventually gonna get there. I
was like, when I get old enough, i'mnn get hot tub.
I'm gonna give me some coffee too. I was like,
what do you do after that, some some zin.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I'm like what, I don't know. I might start taking
energy drinks.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I don't know. I wake up and go get it.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
After that, you get class, you go home.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
You go home.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You know, God, look anything past some flower seats. I'm like, dang,
he's old. So like now now now I'm on the
other side in the hot tub, like, dang, I mean
these meanings, you know what I do need some flower seeds.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I gotta.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It's different anything anything past like what thirty in the league?
Is anything past thirty? I get the question, Hey, man,
so how many more years you're gonna play for the NBA?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You got y'all got a longer career.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
But as you know, as you get, as you get
up there he is, year fourteen, thirty five, he starts up.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Hey, how much long are you gonna play? Is there
an answer?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
You know? What's correctly? My boy asked me the other day.
We was in Cleveland, live in Ohio, and he was like, man, man,
it's been great. Bro, Like so dope, Bro, Like what's
naxt And the way he said it, I was like,
so I slowed him all little bit. I'm like, oh yeah, man,
you know, bro, I feel great, you know, competing at
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a high level. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
He's like, yeah, bro, you don't have a great run. Man.
He started naming off stuff. He like, so what's next?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
I started defending myself again, and like I'm going to
full defense mode now.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Because I'm like, all right, that's two times. He just
what's next? Me?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
So I go on, I go to defending myself like, hey, bro,
I was third in defensive Player in the Year Voter
last year, first team All Defense at thirty five, Like
I'm still playing at a high level. I don't know
what's next year? Like you mean, what's next? Like I'm
still doing this and I'm doing that. I love, Like
I don't know, like you know, I'm gonna do some
TV stuff, but ain't no what's next.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I'm still so I got real defensive about it. I
had to take a step back like yo, you're all right, bro,
like you know and saying all of that. So then
I had to go there with him, like, no, bro,
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
At least another three you know what I'm saying, two
three years at least, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I'm at top of the DP on why I still
do this?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
At least another three Like I said, so if if
my fault, if I'm there, even if I fall a
little bit, my fall is still out hot.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
You know. So That's where I'm at with it. Broke
another two three? I love that.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, when were you getting mad about it? You through
you realize you know this passion there, this passion. I'm
not willing to give it up yet.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I'm not not yet.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Like I thought, if you asked me this two years ago,
I would have probably told you two years. Two years later,
I'm like, ah, like I'm still doing this at an
eligue level, and I still love to compete, Like I
still love going out there battling with these young guys,
you know, Like how went at it with Winby two
games in a row a few weeks ago, Like well, actual, yeah,
(18:51):
well yeah, well it was two games, so we stayed
in San Antonio, we played Wednesday Friday, and like just
like competing at that level with guys who's like he's
closer to my daughter's age and he's closer to my age,
you know, and like having those battles with young guys
to where you then got old guys who's long gone
(19:13):
talking about me battling a twenty one year.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Old and like, oh man, you know this, that and
the other the era you play.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
But you're saying this twenty one year old is great, Right,
I'm thirty five and you're saying hum, but you're arguing that.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Oh man, you're doing this to him. These arguments ain't
really making sense.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
To each other, you know, So I'm enjoying this still,
bro and competing at that level.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Is it's nothing to replace it?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Like I do the podcast, you know, I do the
TV stuff like it's all fun, it's all great, but
it's nothing like when you step out there on that
floor at seven o'clock and it's twenty thousand fans and
you know, everybody in case you walk in the arena and
everybody you dramon like it's nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Come on, who needs coffee?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
When I exactly like, it's nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
And you say that until you know and one day
when you do put it up, are you gonna look
at the game like, dang I should come back.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I'm sorry, can, but I have zero interest in playing
basketball at forty four, coming out of retirement at forty four.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
What I do, what I do believe is.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I've given so much to this game, and I'm still
giving so much this game.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
When I'm done, I won't have.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Nothing left, like like I won't have a YO in
three years. I'm no, I'm done, Like I've left it
all out there. I've seen guys over the years that
you know, they leave stuff in the tank and then
they're either going longer than they should be going, you know,
or always trying to come. It's because you didn't get
everything out of the tank that you need to get
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out of the tank. I'm getting everything out to tank
that i need to get out of the tank when
I'm I'm done. Congrats to Philip, you know, if his
dream was to come back with the Indianapolis coach, more
power to him.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
But I do not foresee that being the path for me.
I just when I'm done, they can have it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Like I'm moving on, We'll be right back. You've played
your entire career with the Warriors. I played my entire
career with the Saints. Like there's the pride that you
have for playing with one team, you know. Like I've
never seen free agency. I've like, if I get close
to the end of a contract, I'm like, man, come on,
just update me to be I don't need to be
top dollar. I just want to be respected, you know.
(21:34):
And then that's like I've gone peer off respect dollars.
After I walked to the game, I said, oh, wow,
if I could get ten million dollars, And once I
passed that point, I said, man, I never have to
work again.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So now I'm playing for what I want.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I want the black and go to win the Super
Bowl I want and that's what I hunt for every
year and if it comes short, whatever, This might be
the first time I've like am entering free agency or
whatever that looks like at fifteen, completely different landscape than
it would be at entering free you know, a free
agency at year eight. But just the idea that you
could play for another team, does that do something for you?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Not really? No.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
I over the course of my fourteen years, I've entered
free agency a couple of times. Once I was a
restricted free agent after my first three years, which I
never truly hit free agency like that, we got a
deal done in like day one restrictor freance here at
day two.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
And then after this this current contract I'm on.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I was a free agent technically for a little but
so they changed the rules to where you can negotiate
with your team before you can negotiate with good team.
And so I was, you know, I was in free
agency and we were working on a deal right like
I was about the free agency, and we got a
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deal done. So I've never really gone through the full ringroup,
you know, of what free ac is taking meets from
this team, meets from that team, you know, being towed.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
But I've never gone through that, and I'm appreciative of it.
I've never really wanted to go play for another team.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I understood that in this business there would always be
the chance, you know, or you know, I'm not going
to be disrespected on my contract and just say, oh man,
I just want to play for this team, so you
can disrespect me. But to your point, I've never gone
for just absolute top dollar either, you know, where you know,
I could have waited six months and went for the
(23:36):
full total max. I've never done that. I've always just
done extensions. Uh you know, I've done extensions that helps
me financially, that helps the team financially, that allows us
to continue to build. But yeah, just like at this
point in my career, especially going to play for another team,
it's like, I don't want to do that at this point,
(23:58):
as I said, always going to want to respected for
what I bring, you know, and be at some sort
of level that of page that say yeah I'm respected
in that aspect, but they don't have to be the
absolute most I can make, like I'm doing all right.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, just respect me.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Just don't disrespect me, Like, just don't go out to
way and be like, hey, this is it.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
This is it?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Not like you're forcing my hand to go somewhere or
you know, like in my mind, I've always I've always
gone through it. Like it's crazy. You think about some
of the greats of all times, right, and you see
him in another jersey. Right, you got Ricky Jackson, who's
with the New Orleans Saints for thirteen years, and then
you got two years with the.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
San Francisco forty nine ers. I'll be it a championship year.
But it's like, dang does that so what.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
It taints the New Orleans Ricky Jackson that I that
I think about, Like, I'm not think's Ricky Jackson.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I think New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Then all of a sudden you put him in a
red and gold jersey. You know, you got Jerry Rice,
and all of a sudden you put them and not
in a Niners Like yeah, you get.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
The what it looks different? Yeah, the random Seattle jersey.
You're like, wait, wait a.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Minute, what what is that that's.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I don't Yeah, it didn't feel like it feels disloyal.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
It does. It's just like you've been viewed a certain way.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
You put on a jersey for so long, like you
become kind of synonymous with that jersey.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Once you take that jersey off, you know, and it's
one thing.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Once you put on a different jersey, then it becomes
a totally different thing, you know, and it just looks different,
like it's not it's not easy on the eyes, you know.
And so I think for me personally, I don't I
don't want to ever put on another jersey, but I
don't want to be forced into retirement and I can
still play, you know, or like just because say my
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team that I've been with, it's like we're kind of
at the end of it now if I still got
some left to give, and I got some left to give,
but I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I don't have interest in play for another team. I
just don't see it, Like it don't add up to me, right.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Even if it was a home team. You're a Detroit kid.
I'm an Arizona boy. Like, yeah, I mean as.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Dope as it would be to play for the Pistons.
Got respect what they got going, you know, they got
they got a good, young, physical team. They're putting it together.
I always like to see the Pistons do well. So
as dope as it would be to like be like, man,
I'm playing at home, like go to State is my
home now, you know, like NBA basketball, that's my home,
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you know, like, yeah, I'm from Michigan. Still got a
sacon Off area code nine A nine that will never change,
you know, like I will always be rooted there, no question.
That's that's home for me, absolutely, But when it comes
to NBA basketball, like the Golden State Warriors is my home.
I'm lucky enough to be one of the guys one
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of the few guys in this league.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
That can say, yo, I have a home like and
I don't take that for granted.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
All Right, last, when I'll get you out of here,
who's your favorite NFL player to watch?
Speaker 4 (27:05):
My favorite NFL player to watch today today, I would
say Jamiir Gibbs.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
He he he.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
He's an electric man like you, like you just need
to get the ball into his hands and like once
he got the ball in his hands, like anything goes.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
So I I truly enjoy watching Jamiir Gibbs.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
And then that's an offensive guy from a from a
from defensive siety.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Ball. It's impossible to not watch Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett.
Miles Garrett is insane, Like.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Like the stuff that he's doing, the euro Steps, what
we call you're like on these euro Steps is like
like they don't fit in the they don't fit in
the camera.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Like, I mean, it's insane. So what he's doing. And
then I have a huge appreciation appreciation for what Trent
Williams is still doing as well. Elite, elite level office alignment.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
There's only one I'm gonna argue on. I can appreciate that,
no doubt, no doubt. Shoot, I appreciate you for tapping.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
In with the podcast. Man.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
You know, I know, I know you are literally on
Baby Watch. Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Man, Thank you brother. I appreciate you having me. It's
been amazing watching your career. For those that don't know,
I met you at Lamar Woodley's camp man many years ago.
Shout out to my old j Lamar Woodley camp coming
to sag and all, and then this was amazing. I
can't I can never thank you enough.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Brother. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Either way. You know, I'm super excited.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You know that not only guys are here off the
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I got to introduce one of my guys that I've
known for quite a long time, inadvertently on the other
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there's the NBA. You know the talle as hell they
make all you know, they make great plays and their
own rights. But he even had a little touch, a
(00:50):
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Speaker 1 (00:55):
You know it was spartan if you will.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
Fourteenth season with the Golden State Warriors, time NBA champion
four time NBA All Star, one of the greatest picks
in the image of second round picks and NBA Draft,
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Speaker 1 (01:08):
Defenders that we're gonna talk about, and Dremond Green.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
It's time for this week's Drive for Success Conversation, presented
by Toyota.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Let's go places, my guy.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
What's up, my brother? How are you?
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Man?
Speaker 2 (01:20):
You know, just from a guy who who loves defense,
loves Washington defense being played.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
I love I love the aggressive manner in which you
bring to the table.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You know, I say all basketball players are soft, but
I don't mean all of them. I mean the new
ones and I really mean, you know, like the ones
that don't have a defensive mindset like yourself.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
We talked about this before.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
I appreciate that, brother.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
You know, I agree with you, like a lot of
basketball players are soft. That's just the reality. I think
the game has gotten a lot softer than it is.
And you know, I think the toughness that a lot
of guys used to bring to the NBA isn't really
accepted in the NBA anymore. So I I agree with you,
(02:01):
a lot of guys are soft. You're not wrong.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Yeah, Look, you know my My wife played ball over
in California, went to uh, you know, went to Marlborough
High School McDonald's all American back in the gap, back
in like two thousand.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Who lord, when we got out high school.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Two thousand, she was twenty twelve million in two thousand
and eight. Who yeah, yeah, way back way back then.
But you know, she talks about you know, her favorite
point guard was was Isaiah Thomas. So she talks about
the Detroit bad Boys all the time. So she's like, yeah,
the game soft woo the wool. It's always you know,
everybody old always wants to talk about how the game
used to be playing, like it's it for next game now.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
And it's definitely it's definitely a for next game. Listen.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Like I said, I agree that the game is softer.
I do also think like there are some guys that
are more physical than the game allows, you know, but
the rules that say Isaiah Thomas or you know, older
guys played or that we're not allowed to play under
those same.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Rules though, you know, so it does piss me off
on some of those.
Speaker 4 (02:57):
Guys going to be like yeah, they soft as hell,
and like the game soft as hell, like because we're
not in control of all of that, you know what
I'm saying, Like, yes, there's a group of soft guys,
but by the way, just so we're clear, there were
a group of soft guys that played in the league
back then as well, Like everybody wasn't tough that played
in the league in the nineties, you know. So there
is a group of guys that are soft, but there's
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also a group of guys that are physical, that play
the game physical as well, And you're.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Not always allowed to play that way.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
You're not allowed to do the things that they were
allowed to do back in the day.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
So I think there's you know, there is some truth
to every statement, you.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Know, but I think a little bit of it is
pushed a little far because they try to make it
like one size fits all, and that's not the case.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Look, you know, guys, guys looked at you know, ray
Lewis the way he would come down to smack a
receiver in the middle.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
You can't do that anymore, you cannot. I used to
look at it gone, you know.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Safety safety Joey Brown aer over it at the Minnesota Vikings.
They called him the claw, like he was going by
and snagging you from your neck is not loud anymore.
You can't do that, Like I know, there's rules in
just the advantage of time.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
It happens, absolutely, I think, you know, you can even
go like more recently, a cam Chancellor like Cam Chancellor
couldn't play INNFL today, He just wouldn't. He'd be suspended
every other week. No, you think of a Vantae perfect
who was suspended a lot even during.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
His time, but he lay in heralded in the nineties.
Speaker 4 (04:28):
Absolutely, but you look at when he played and even now,
like taking a step further to advantage played now, you know,
and he played well years ago.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah, absolutely, he's been kicked out two times over. They
were trying to kick it out while he was playing exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
So I think you know when you look at it.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
But that's also like the sports were more violent then,
but they didn't make as much money as they do now,
you know, And so you look at taking some of
the violence out and what the revenue did. You know,
It all makes sense at the end of the day.
So we can on complaining to be like, oh man,
they call it too soft, you know, or yeah, you know,
on both on both sides of the NBA and NFL.
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But at the end of the day, it's clearly has
some benefiting. I don't I'm not complaining about that. I
know you're not complaining about that. So it is give
and take with.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Everything, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
So do you see the uh you saw the Chargers
uh Eagles game, you know, and the way it concluded.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
You saw the just charge of squeak one out.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
I said, okay, okay, you know, justin Herbert trying to
go celebrate with his with his with his teammates, trying
to be a team guy.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
You know.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Laura Relative, who I think is a great, a great reporter,
comes up, Hey, you gotta get a second with Hey,
I'm trying to celebrate my teammates. Yeah, I hear you
come talk to me, you know. And then I thought
nothing of it. But I see, you know, social media
going on rampage, like you know what you play. You know,
somebody say, you know how much you make and you
have to you have to do these report, you know,
talk to the reporters. I'm like, in the moment, he's
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trying to celebrate with his team. I see from both sides.
I don't know if you got to got a chance
to see that.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Yes, I did see it. I see it from both
sides as well.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
You know, that goes back to like just talking about
the money of it, right, like the business of football,
the business of basketball. I was talking to a friend
of mine yesterday who plays overseas and he used to
play in the league, and he was just telling me,
like some of the complaints that he has over there,
you know, like we all shore our complaints with our boys, right,
and he was telling me like some of the complaints
(06:24):
that he has. And when he finished, I just said
to him, I said yeah. He was like, but all
in all them good, bro, Like it's great. And when
he finished, I said, yeah, the business of basketball, because
you know, you dealt with the business of basketball in
the NBA. You go overseas, you're gonna deal with the
business of basketball there too. It's not going away, you know.
(06:44):
And it was just kind of like my subtle reminder
for him of like, yeah, we played this game, but
don't forget.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
About the business of basketball, you know.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
So speaking the law, she's going to do her job,
which which like you said, she's a great at it.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Take nothing away from her.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
And her job isn't really going to require her to
have any feel right, So she ain't, you know, She
just like, I gotta get this interview because that's my
job and that's what I'm required to do. Justin Herber
hand surgery a week ago, comes out, play through a
lead these guys getting crushed like he's been getting crushed
all year. Still leads these guys to victory. And that's
(07:21):
who we need to talk to. She's doing her job.
I can't be mad at her for doing her job.
But in that moment, he want to go. He want
to go celebrate with his teammates. Now here's what I
will say. He's probably a little pissed off in that
moment about something, right although they want, it's pissed off
about something that taking place in that game.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
So I really don't feel like.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Talking to you right now. I'm gonna go over here
and talk. I'm gonna go over here and celebrate with
my teammates. I really don't feel like when she grabbed
I'm going to celebrate my teammates. Where I will give
Justin Herbert credit is he stopped. He did the end,
you know, and I can respect that. To your point,
I didn't think it was a very big deal either.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And then I saw people like, well, you know how
much money you making? How much?
Speaker 4 (08:05):
And I'm just like, hmm, if all Justin Herbert wanted
to do his interviews, he don't make that money. So
miss me with the you know how much money you made?
You got to do that? No, no, no, what he
has to do is what he did. He has to
go win football games. And if he win football games,
he makes that money for being a quarterback.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
He don't make that that type of money.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Tom Brady makes that type of money for talking about
the game. Just Herbert doesn't make that type of money
for talking about the game. So miss me with the
when people try to act like, oh man, you just
got to do this, and I don't have to do
anything but go play this game.
Speaker 3 (08:40):
And as long as I play this game at a
very high level, even.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
If I don't do the interviews Mark Shawn Lynch, they
still gonna pay me at a very high level.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
So miss me with that.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
I was.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
What fills the seats is the talent involved.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You know, like Justin Herbert is a is a is
a headliner.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
You know that there's nothing throws he made.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
There's a reason why they won, you know, and that's
the reason why they want to interview him.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
When you make big plays, you get big questions.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
Exactly, they didn't go interview the third string quarterback. So again,
don't tell me it's it's responsibility and that's why he's paid.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Stop with that. That's not why he's fade.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
It's not, no doubt. Look, that's that's I just wanted
to see if he was taking a spin. I was
just like you, you're on the podcast side. I'm on
this podcast side. I was like, I get both sides
of it, you know, like we can you know, we can,
we can pivot, you know, as pro pro athletes says dads,
you know, congratulations your fifth one coming up. Well, I'm
saying in advance, you know, whenever, whenever, Uh, as long
(09:39):
as as long as the baby's healthy. That's all we
really pressed for his dads.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
That's it. That's it. Healthy baby, healthy mama. With the birth.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
You know, everything goes smooth. You know, we get them
through it. Uh, but that's a little rough right now.
My grade's about to pop through this die and start
coming back.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, you know he's gonna put the die out there.
Speaker 4 (09:58):
The Beijing Absolutely, it's not Beijing. But I did die
for sure. No, I you know, I am not ashamed
about it.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
I'm not.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (10:07):
I'm not there yet. I'm not there.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
I got I think I got a couple, but I'm like,
you know, I keep it normally. I keep it low anyways,
And what does when it does sticking out? It's just
a few, and I'm cool.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
A few checked this out.
Speaker 4 (10:21):
So this past summer, my wife and I great friends
with Taylor Rooks, and we goes to Taylor's wedding and
Taylor does this thing where the portraits and the black
and white, and so we go take the portrait and
we get the portrait, and I with my wife, I'm
(10:41):
like holding her like like this, like like the way
that she's like sitting on the stool and my arm
is like wrapped around the shoulder and I'm leaning in.
Speaker 3 (10:52):
And man, my wife.
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Looked gorgeous, like she looked like a beautiful young lady,
and I looked like her grandfather. I had like the
gray stuck out so crazy on the black and white portrait.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
It was that day that I said, oh I'm done.
That's it.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Like I hit my barber bro. I was so anti
like all of the enhancement stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Bro.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
I used to go crazy at my barber. I'm like, bro, like,
don't spray up. I hit my barber. As soon as
he walked through walking the door. He walked on the door,
he started cutting my hair. I'm like, blince to die
like where. He's like, what what you talking about? I'm like,
blin is to die, Like it's time, bro. And he's
sitting there like.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Like like, what are you talking about?
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Bro? Like like I need to die blaz. He's like,
what you coming on to the other side.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
I'm like, yeah, bro, it's time. We door dashed to die.
And we've been rewinding it ever since.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Rewind time. You know, you just want to look good.
You just want.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Especially on the court, y'all ain't got no help. Macy
all hide nowhere, you camera here no more.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Man. They after you know, everybody saying I'm older than
what I am.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I'm like, nah, bro, I'm getting up there, but I'm
thirty five.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I can still go out, and so I'm like, nah,
I gotta go.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
I gotta go. I mean, that is hilarious.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
I just think with four kids, how much how much
locker room access do they get? Do they get the
whole you know, I got I got four kids, right,
you know, and my son gets come with me. You know,
my girls like, Dad, can I go to work? I
can't bring you to the locker room. Baby, I'm not
gonna lie to you. Guys, get guys, get undressed there.
I can't bring you.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
I can bring you, know I can. I can bring
you to the to the field. I can bring you
to the game. Can't go to the locker room. So
as Saturday's I take my kid, my boy tomorrow, Davis,
he brings his kid. I make him run. They do
routes at this point, like last couple of weeks, you know,
they're like they're like, man, how hard are we going?
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Now?
Speaker 2 (12:42):
We're gonna go get in the morning before it starts up.
I get my little jog in with you. But like,
how much access do your kids get?
Speaker 4 (12:49):
You know, Steve curR is incredible about family and so
like my kids, my wife, they can fly on our
team playing anytime they want, like whole trip, one flight.
Steve Kerr has been or is and has always been
(13:09):
amazing about that access any practice, any game.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Break them. You know, like my son comes in the
locker room.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
My girls, they come down the stairs from the game
with us and they go to the court, you know,
Like they go off to the court and it's it's
like a full blong daycare, like like they're they're out
there running a month, you know, and and.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
So they get access. I'm very grateful for that. My son.
Last week, I hadn't seen my son in a month.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
With our with the way our schedules, the way our
schedule were, I hadn't seen him in a month, and
so we were home and I was going to be
able to see him for twenty four hours. He sat
on the bench with us that day, you know, like
and he gave a handed out time and stuff. Again,
like Steve curR is amazing when it comes to that stuff,
And that was so important to me just to spend
(14:06):
that time with him, Like even when I'm about.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
To gain because i haven't seen him in a month
and I'm about to be gone in.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Twenty four and I got twenty four hours and I'm
about to be gone, you know. So I'm very grateful
in that aspect that our organization is great about that
you allow them to spend as much time as they
want to spend or we want to have them, So
I appreciate that side of.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
It, no doubt. Have you introduced them to the coltels yet.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
My son has been in the colt My girls have not.
But he's hopped in there and these kids. Crazy man,
He's like, oh yeah, oh he embraced it.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Hey, good for him. Bro, I don't believe in the Kolto.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
But my son was having some growing pains, you know, like,
oh damn, my ship's hurt, my knees hurt. I said, hey, bro,
I know a way to get you right. And you
put them in to put them in the Kolto. My man, Dad,
what is this. We're not supposed to be here, going.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
To goat up. I don't, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
All these years, you're not in the Kolto.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
No, sir, I believe in heat. I believe in heat. Restore,
restore me at my fullest. I'm from Arizona, with school California.
I've been in the South of the last fifteen I
deserve heat. If it's ninety degrees, I'm happy. If it's
sub seventy five, what are we doing? Oh my god, Hey,
I'm big.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
I'm big. Hot tub.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I didn't even get to the hotel to year ten.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Look, right around twenty nine thirty, I started like, all right,
I gotta really start taking care of my body. I
really used to just flex it. I'm here for all
the smoke with none of the repercussions. And now I'm
in all the rehabs. I'm in all the prehabs.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
I'm in the hotel every day, steamroom.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I mean, all of it, all of it.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
But I mean, you know, as we get older, you know,
mortality catches up with all of this.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
I used to be like I getting up, I get
in a hot to. I used to treat it like
people drinking coffee. Now I'm eventually gonna get there. I
was like, when I get old enough, i'mnn get hot tub.
I'm gonna give me some coffee too. I was like,
what do you do after that, some some zin.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I'm like what, I don't know. I might start taking
energy drinks.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I don't know. I wake up and go get it.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
After that, you get class, you go home.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
You go home.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
You know, God, look anything past some flower seats. I'm like, dang,
he's old. So like now now now I'm on the
other side in the hot tub, like, dang, I mean
these meanings, you know what I do need some flower seeds.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
I gotta.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
It's different anything anything past like what thirty in the league?
Is anything past thirty? I get the question, Hey, man,
so how many more years you're gonna play for the NBA?
Speaker 1 (16:44):
You got y'all got a longer career.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
But as you know, as you get, as you get
up there he is, year fourteen, thirty five, he starts up.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Hey, how much long are you gonna play? Is there
an answer?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
You know? What's correctly? My boy asked me the other day.
We was in Cleveland, live in Ohio, and he was like, man, man,
it's been great. Bro, Like so dope, Bro, Like what's
naxt And the way he said it, I was like,
so I slowed him all little bit. I'm like, oh yeah, man,
you know, bro, I feel great, you know, competing at
(17:17):
a high level. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
He's like, yeah, bro, you don't have a great run. Man.
He started naming off stuff. He like, so what's next?
Speaker 4 (17:24):
I started defending myself again, and like I'm going to
full defense mode now.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
Because I'm like, all right, that's two times. He just
what's next? Me?
Speaker 4 (17:32):
So I go on, I go to defending myself like, hey, bro,
I was third in defensive Player in the Year Voter
last year, first team All Defense at thirty five, Like
I'm still playing at a high level. I don't know
what's next year? Like you mean, what's next? Like I'm
still doing this and I'm doing that. I love, Like
I don't know, like you know, I'm gonna do some
TV stuff, but ain't no what's next.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I'm still so I got real defensive about it. I
had to take a step back like yo, you're all right, bro,
like you know and saying all of that. So then
I had to go there with him, like, no, bro,
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 4 (18:02):
At least another three you know what I'm saying, two
three years at least, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I'm at top of the DP on why I still
do this?
Speaker 4 (18:09):
At least another three Like I said, so if if
my fault, if I'm there, even if I fall a
little bit, my fall is still out hot.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
You know. So That's where I'm at with it. Broke
another two three? I love that.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
Yeah, when were you getting mad about it? You through
you realize you know this passion there, this passion. I'm
not willing to give it up yet.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
I'm not not yet.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Like I thought, if you asked me this two years ago,
I would have probably told you two years. Two years later,
I'm like, ah, like I'm still doing this at an
eligue level, and I still love to compete, Like I
still love going out there battling with these young guys,
you know, Like how went at it with Winby two
games in a row a few weeks ago, Like well, actual, yeah,
(18:51):
well yeah, well it was two games, so we stayed
in San Antonio, we played Wednesday Friday, and like just
like competing at that level with guys who's like he's
closer to my daughter's age and he's closer to my age,
you know, and like having those battles with young guys
to where you then got old guys who's long gone
(19:13):
talking about me battling a twenty one year.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Old and like, oh man, you know this, that and
the other the era you play.
Speaker 4 (19:22):
But you're saying this twenty one year old is great, Right,
I'm thirty five and you're saying hum, but you're arguing that.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Oh man, you're doing this to him. These arguments ain't
really making sense.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
To each other, you know, So I'm enjoying this still,
bro and competing at that level.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
Is it's nothing to replace it?
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Like I do the podcast, you know, I do the
TV stuff like it's all fun, it's all great, but
it's nothing like when you step out there on that
floor at seven o'clock and it's twenty thousand fans and
you know, everybody in case you walk in the arena and
everybody you dramon like it's nothing like that.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Come on, who needs coffee?
Speaker 3 (19:59):
When I exactly like, it's nothing like that.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
And you say that until you know and one day
when you do put it up, are you gonna look
at the game like, dang I should come back.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
I'm sorry, can, but I have zero interest in playing
basketball at forty four, coming out of retirement at forty four.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
What I do, what I do believe is.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I've given so much to this game, and I'm still
giving so much this game.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
When I'm done, I won't have.
Speaker 4 (20:31):
Nothing left, like like I won't have a YO in
three years. I'm no, I'm done, Like I've left it
all out there. I've seen guys over the years that
you know, they leave stuff in the tank and then
they're either going longer than they should be going, you know,
or always trying to come. It's because you didn't get
everything out of the tank that you need to get
(20:52):
out of the tank. I'm getting everything out to tank
that i need to get out of the tank when
I'm I'm done. Congrats to Philip, you know, if his
dream was to come back with the Indianapolis coach, more
power to him.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
But I do not foresee that being the path for me.
I just when I'm done, they can have it.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Like I'm moving on, We'll be right back. You've played
your entire career with the Warriors. I played my entire
career with the Saints. Like there's the pride that you
have for playing with one team, you know. Like I've
never seen free agency. I've like, if I get close
to the end of a contract, I'm like, man, come on,
just update me to be I don't need to be
top dollar. I just want to be respected, you know.
(21:34):
And then that's like I've gone peer off respect dollars.
After I walked to the game, I said, oh, wow,
if I could get ten million dollars, And once I
passed that point, I said, man, I never have to
work again.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
So now I'm playing for what I want.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I want the black and go to win the Super
Bowl I want and that's what I hunt for every
year and if it comes short, whatever, This might be
the first time I've like am entering free agency or
whatever that looks like at fifteen, completely different landscape than
it would be at entering free you know, a free
agency at year eight. But just the idea that you
could play for another team, does that do something for you?
Speaker 3 (22:09):
Not really? No.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
I over the course of my fourteen years, I've entered
free agency a couple of times. Once I was a
restricted free agent after my first three years, which I
never truly hit free agency like that, we got a
deal done in like day one restrictor freance here at
day two.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
And then after this this current contract I'm on.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
I was a free agent technically for a little but
so they changed the rules to where you can negotiate
with your team before you can negotiate with good team.
And so I was, you know, I was in free
agency and we were working on a deal right like
I was about the free agency, and we got a
(22:58):
deal done. So I've never really gone through the full ringroup,
you know, of what free ac is taking meets from
this team, meets from that team, you know, being towed.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
But I've never gone through that, and I'm appreciative of it.
I've never really wanted to go play for another team.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
I understood that in this business there would always be
the chance, you know, or you know, I'm not going
to be disrespected on my contract and just say, oh man,
I just want to play for this team, so you
can disrespect me. But to your point, I've never gone
for just absolute top dollar either, you know, where you know,
I could have waited six months and went for the
(23:36):
full total max. I've never done that. I've always just
done extensions. Uh you know, I've done extensions that helps
me financially, that helps the team financially, that allows us
to continue to build. But yeah, just like at this
point in my career, especially going to play for another team,
it's like, I don't want to do that at this point,
(23:58):
as I said, always going to want to respected for
what I bring, you know, and be at some sort
of level that of page that say yeah I'm respected
in that aspect, but they don't have to be the
absolute most I can make, like I'm doing all right.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, just respect me.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Just don't disrespect me, Like, just don't go out to
way and be like, hey, this is it.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
This is it?
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Not like you're forcing my hand to go somewhere or
you know, like in my mind, I've always I've always
gone through it. Like it's crazy. You think about some
of the greats of all times, right, and you see
him in another jersey. Right, you got Ricky Jackson, who's
with the New Orleans Saints for thirteen years, and then
you got two years with the.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
San Francisco forty nine ers. I'll be it a championship year.
But it's like, dang does that so what.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
It taints the New Orleans Ricky Jackson that I that
I think about, Like, I'm not think's Ricky Jackson.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
I think New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (24:45):
Then all of a sudden you put him in a
red and gold jersey. You know, you got Jerry Rice,
and all of a sudden you put them and not
in a Niners Like yeah, you get.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
The what it looks different? Yeah, the random Seattle jersey.
You're like, wait, wait a.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Minute, what what is that that's.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I don't Yeah, it didn't feel like it feels disloyal.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
It does. It's just like you've been viewed a certain way.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
You put on a jersey for so long, like you
become kind of synonymous with that jersey.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
Once you take that jersey off, you know, and it's
one thing.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Once you put on a different jersey, then it becomes
a totally different thing, you know, and it just looks different,
like it's not it's not easy on the eyes, you know.
And so I think for me personally, I don't I
don't want to ever put on another jersey, but I
don't want to be forced into retirement and I can
still play, you know, or like just because say my
(25:44):
team that I've been with, it's like we're kind of
at the end of it now if I still got
some left to give, and I got some left to give,
but I don't want to.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
I don't have interest in play for another team. I
just don't see it, Like it don't add up to me, right.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Even if it was a home team. You're a Detroit kid.
I'm an Arizona boy. Like, yeah, I mean as.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
Dope as it would be to play for the Pistons.
Got respect what they got going, you know, they got
they got a good, young, physical team. They're putting it together.
I always like to see the Pistons do well. So
as dope as it would be to like be like, man,
I'm playing at home, like go to State is my
home now, you know, like NBA basketball, that's my home,
(26:33):
you know, like, yeah, I'm from Michigan. Still got a
sacon Off area code nine A nine that will never change,
you know, like I will always be rooted there, no question.
That's that's home for me, absolutely, But when it comes
to NBA basketball, like the Golden State Warriors is my home.
I'm lucky enough to be one of the guys one
(26:53):
of the few guys in this league.
Speaker 3 (26:56):
That can say, yo, I have a home like and
I don't take that for granted.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
No doubt.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
All Right, last, when I'll get you out of here,
who's your favorite NFL player to watch?
Speaker 4 (27:05):
My favorite NFL player to watch today today, I would
say Jamiir Gibbs.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
He he he.
Speaker 4 (27:15):
He's an electric man like you, like you just need
to get the ball into his hands and like once
he got the ball in his hands, like anything goes.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
So I I truly enjoy watching Jamiir Gibbs.
Speaker 4 (27:31):
And then that's an offensive guy from a from a
from defensive siety.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Ball. It's impossible to not watch Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett.
Miles Garrett is insane, Like.
Speaker 4 (27:46):
Like the stuff that he's doing, the euro Steps, what
we call you're like on these euro Steps is like
like they don't fit in the they don't fit in
the camera.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Like, I mean, it's insane. So what he's doing. And
then I have a huge appreciation appreciation for what Trent
Williams is still doing as well. Elite, elite level office alignment.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
There's only one I'm gonna argue on. I can appreciate that,
no doubt, no doubt. Shoot, I appreciate you for tapping.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
In with the podcast. Man.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
You know, I know, I know you are literally on
Baby Watch. Hey, you gotta do what you gotta do.
Speaker 4 (28:24):
Man, Thank you brother. I appreciate you having me. It's
been amazing watching your career. For those that don't know,
I met you at Lamar Woodley's camp man many years ago.
Shout out to my old j Lamar Woodley camp coming
to sag and all, and then this was amazing. I
can't I can never thank you enough.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
Brother. I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
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