October 18, 2025 • 38 mins
The Saturday Edition of the Good Morning Football Podcast looks back at Actor/Singer Donnie Wahlberg talking his favorites in Boston sports, Boston Blue, and the NKOTB years! The Breakfast Table has a tough time ranking their Top 5 teams in the NFL right NOW! Plus, Author Jeff Pearlman discusses his upcoming book about Tupac Shakur.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I have someone in here who I'm a genuine huge
fan of fourteen years on Blue bloods Our next guest
is leaving New York. He's shipping up to Boston appropriately
his newest show, Boston Blue on CBS. We're gonna play
a clip and then I'm just gonna gush about this.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Dude. Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
If anything changes, I'll call you right away. Yeah me
do do.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (00:49):
Your lab connected the two we found in the alley
to scratches.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
On Andrea Decker's desk. No identify a full fingerprints, but
they did track the logo to a local hardware store.
Lab confirmed kerosene and turpentine.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Like I said, now, that's a lead on the flag.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
It looks like, yeah, nowhere, I'm the murder.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
I'm sorry you call that police work, detective. You confirm
two chemicals that any clown could purchase at any superstore
in the United States, and you throw it in our face.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Like it's evidence. You want to say that again. I
just said it to you and you didn't do a
damn thing about it.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
That was Boston Blue. This is Donnie Wahlburg, My guy,
what's up, baby? How are you doing?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Finally finally here with them. I'm very happy about it.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
We've tried to make this happen and I'm the one
pushing it and set the table for decades. You've been
a guy that I've loved. I'm talking about movies, the
TV show, The Burgers, like I go way back with
New Kids, man, like for real, like I was doing
all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I was life man. Busy, yeah, busy.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
But blessed. You know.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
It's just taking everything in stride and staying grateful for
like all the things you mentioned and more, you know,
my family, my kids, just you know, trying to put
my focus, attention, love and gratitude into doing the things
that I've always wanted to do.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Right Like we're on a football show right now.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
This was something I always wanted to do and we
did it and not be happy. It's like you got
to get up early and talk to God. I'm like,
that's a problem, because what.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And you know what we do?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
We immediately look to the top of the AFC East
leader board.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Dude, my first place, New England Patriots, Baby.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
The Bills lose a national television last night. Unreal, the
Pats are cooking. What is the state of your emotions
right now?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
For the Patriots?
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Happy? Really for mister Craft.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
I went to opening game this year and had the
pleasure of sitting with mister Craft and Jonathan and you know,
I know there are high hopes and I know there's
also realistic you know thoughts there. They're like, we're kind
of going young. You know, they got rid of a
lot of the veterans right before the season. Jabrill Peppers,
who I love, like guys like that were just kind
of sent out and I was like, oh, wow, maybe
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it's more of a rebuild than we think.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
But the young guys are.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Clicking and the everything's kind of working, and you know,
and to see like to see this team coming around.
I dropped mister crafton I'm not name dropping. He's just
one of the nicest guys in the world. He's just
one of the nicest people I've ever met. And you know,
to be able to drop him a note and hear
the joy in his response that is starting to come together,
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it's really exciting.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Do you you've been after this, your Pat's man, your
entire family for decades. Do you have like a real
specific era or even a year that like you were.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Like, god, that was my favorite. Man.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Well, fortunately we get like a twenty year era with
Todd and coach Belichick. So it's hard to pick. I
would say my favorite super Bowl. Look, if you're if
you have a heart, your favorite has to be the
first one. Yeah, after nine to eleven and with all
that happened, you have to love that one. But for me,
the most important was against Seattle. I don't like to pick.
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You know, William McGinn as, Teddy, Bruce Key, those are
my guys, Troy Brown, I love those guys, Ty Law
and still underrated all those guys, they're all Hall of
famers and my opinion, but this but this game was everything.
You know, we had to break through for that fourth
super Bowl. You know, Troy Aikman's a very underrated quarterback because.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
He didn't get the fourth one. You know, Michael Irvin,
the playmaker.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Underrated, Emmitt Smith is Edmon Smith is underrated for he
never got the fourth.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Four takes it to a different place.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
And somehow that Patriots dynasty wasn't complete till they got
the fourth. And then you see once they got the
fourth and along came five and.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Six, and it had been almost ten years since they
had one one. They had this long drought, and you
got to be.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Thinking, oh my god, they're gonna give it to Marshawn.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
We're screwed.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
We're gonna lose another one. And then Malcolm Butler's like,
this lightning strike. I think it's a great answer.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
I just didn't know what was gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
You know, I'm watching and I thought we had the
game locked up. I'm like, all right, they're not getting four.
And I did have confidence because we had Revis, we
had Brown are back there. We had a good group,
and I was like, we're gonna be okay, We're gonna
stop these guys. And yes, when that crazy catch happened,
every New England fan was like, come on, that's what
used to happen to Bostonians before the Patriots came. You know,
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Bill Buckner, the rest of Soul, Bill Buckner, you know,
all those things would happen to us, Bucky Dent, it
always happened to us, and we kind of thought we
exercised all those demons and suddenly here we are with
another crazy catch in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
It's like, but.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
You know, I don't blame Pete Carroll.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Interesting, you don't blame him for having rush throw in
that play?
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Why because you figure, you know, if it goes incomplete.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
See, I don't blame Pete Carroll.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
I credit Bill Belichick because they practiced that play and
they didn't cheat, They didn't do illegal videotaping. They did
what they were supposed to do. They scouted, they knew
what the Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Run at the goal line, and they were prepared.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
And you saw there's practice video out there when Malcolm
couldn't get around the screen. And give Belichick credit. I
don't like the people discrediting Belichick. I know North Carolina's bad.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Never mind, this is a good old bass. There's a
lot of good old for you.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You have so many new things going on, but so
many years blue book, so many years, fourteen years. It's
you know, it's kind of analogous to sports, where you
kind of said goodbye to the certain era.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Of the Patriots. What was it like to say goodbye
to that?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
It was very emotional, I bet, I have to say,
more so than I thought.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
When you're in this industry, you kind of assume things
can turn on a dime, right, your show can go
away at any given moment, and I always thought Blue
Bloods would. From the moment I decided to do it,
I said, this is going to last a long time,
and you know, no one believed me, and I didn't
have any secret answer as to why.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
I just felt right.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
But when it ended, it was hard because it's not
just the show we're saying goodbye to. It's not just
the characters in the cast. There are hundreds of crew members.
Like I wanted to see some of our crew members retire,
and I thought I would write it's like when you
start getting into your ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, It's like, oh,
we're just gonna I'm gonna watch all these people who
I've fallen in love with. I've watched it children grow
(07:05):
up before my eyes, and I thought I'd be with
them for the next decade. And it stopped, and uh,
you know, it was very, very emotional for for a
lot of those reasons.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I feel it.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I could see it even in your face when you're
talking about it. I think it was emotional for fans too,
because there's people who watched that a few week for years.
But we move on, and I feel like the Drake
May in this situation is appropriately Boston Blue. We're in
a new era's have something new to watch? Tell us
more about it.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Well, we hope it's the new era.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
We don't want to It's fine.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
We want to be in there.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Talking about Drake or the show.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
No, there was a little lull in between Drake May
and the Breed was a new Queser was so I
would have personally stuck with Cam Newton a little longer.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Cam.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
I think Cam could have could have turned things around
in New England.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
We have you got takes. I love your takes.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
I love Cam's underrated. But okay, let's move on Boston Blue. Look,
when this opportunity came, of course, Boston was the hook
for me right to get me on board. But it
took a minute because I I love Blue Bloods and
I wanted to make sure if we go forward into
this new world with Danny, that it's doing it with
a Creating a new world, creating a new show, a
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new cast of characters, and making Danny a fish out
of water to be a lot of fun for me
to do as a playing a New Yorker in Boston.
All these New Yorkers taught me how to hate Boston
for the last decade and.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
A half on Blue bloods Now.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
I could take those lessons and I'll do you hate Boston?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
What is nothing? Number one?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Oh, we go to a Red Sox game, second episode
where the Red Sox great and it's but Danny is
a Mets fan.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
I wouldn't let him be a Yankees.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
I couldn't go that far. I have a limit how
far in the contract. In the contract, I.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Was like, listen, Mets, yes, Yankees, I can swallow Mets.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
We have so many other things to hit quickly. Your wife, Jenny,
people are not home. Jenny McCarthy also a huge fan.
I've been for years and just love energetic and crazy
and creative and just fun.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I'll go girl, Chicago girl like me? How is Jenny?
What's going on? Yes? Sorry? In another likee, how's Jenny?
How's life?
Speaker 5 (09:05):
She's great.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
She's just started season I don't know five hundred of
the mass singer talk about a long run on a show,
and there she is. She's a converted Boston sports fan.
I got her on board, man, she was we kind
of made a deal if I moved to Illinois. She
moves her allegiances to Boston. So really, yeah, she's all
(09:27):
in with the Patriots, the Red Sox, got Celtics and the.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Bruins, and there's there's a fascinating thing. Tell me if
I did you meet Jenny in this building?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
We're all right now because upstairs from here is watch
What Happens Live with Jenny Cohen.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
You did, This is where it all happened. This is
where was the story? How did you meet?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
We were both guests on Andy show, and I made
a point.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
I was like, do not flirt with her. She probably
gets hit on all the time.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
I could go there and and so we were like,
you know, we were being very cordial, and we inevitably
flirted anyway, but I didn't have any intention of asking
her out or anything.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
After the show, Andy kept saying.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
You gotta ask he out, You gott ask her out,
and I was like, oh man, I'm not asking around.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
He was like, trust me, she's a good girl. You
got to ask her out. And I didn't.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
But cut to a few months later, she now had
her own talk.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Show and asked me to be a guest.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
I was like, h maybe maybe she's asking me because
there was chemistry.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
I don't know. Maybe, And when I did her show
it was over. We pretty much.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
She gave me her phone number after the show, which
I was like, uh.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
And I called. I gave it a few weeks. I
let it marinate. So she did. Had she liked? She did?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
She did. I didn't realize number.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
I didn't realize until there was a promo.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
For her, like two episodes later, after I was on
the show and she had a psychic on and she
says to the psychic, am I going to fall in
love this year? And the psychic said, oh yeah, and
she said, is his name Donnie Wahlberg and.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Happening here? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:51):
I had never called her, and I called her that
night for sure.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Of course she didn't.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I have to ask you before you go, new kids,
what's the state of the nation. I go way back
with him. I think it's so cool that you guys
still do this and still do it so hardcore.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
What we are starting the second wave of our Vegas
residency in two weeks November first and at the Park
MGM Adobe Live. It's phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
You know.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
I went to see Usher Gosh two years ago and
in the same theater, and you know, he was so
gracious and sat down and told me about Vegas and
what it's like to do it, and we started exploring
it and here we are. This is the biggest, craziest,
awesomest New Kids show. That's great, Yeah, it's it's phenomenal.
It's a Vegas show. What huge, you know, because in
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Vegas they're like, do ninety minutes so we can get
everyone to spill into the casino and spend their money.
We're like, no, no, no, no, our fans coming from around
the world. We're doing at least two hours, so it's
it's I think thirty songs in two hours.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
There is all.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I mean, we're flying in the sky, we're in the
audience where we arrive in a subway carments.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
That's really incredible.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
What are you guys open with? Is it Hanging Tough?
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Is a song produced by Timbaland from our two thousand
and eight reunion album called Twisted Twisted.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
That's the open ring.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
It's a it's hot.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Yeah, it's a really great song and we do all
the classics.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
It's nostalgia. I think we have confetti like six times,
is that right?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
You know?
Speaker 6 (12:12):
When you go to the New Kids, it's like we're
going to feel good. We're going to to sort of
live into that inner innocent part of us that we
have to put away to have jobs and kids and
divorces and lose our loved ones as we get older.
It's like it's it's a return to innocence.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I think you know what, when you go to a
twenty twenty five Patriots game, you go to good and
they're going to win. And when you watch Boston Blue
this Friday night at ten pm, nine pm Central on
CBS and streaming on Paramount Plush, you watch it to
feel good.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Donnie, You're the man. I love what you do. I'm
gonna watch the.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Show harder and Snega Martin Green.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
By the way, she is Snego Martin Green.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Incredible phenomenal, incredible phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Great crew, great staff, great cast.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Donnie Wahlberg, the legend, watch the show, watches movies.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
And go pass.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Twenty five. Marcus Jones, my guy, that's the man.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Good mon football, good football. The Lions loss.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
The Bills have had a tough couple of weeks. The
Eagles dropped from four and oh to four and two quickly.
Ravens are unforeseen and the Chiefs are at five hundred.
Twenty fourteen was the last time that we went into
this point of the season with no one defeated team.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
So here we go.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Everyone get their whiteboards out and your little laminated stick
there and rank your five best teams five four, three
two one man time with the vertical board eurerope.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
First, I'm so glad you said the date, Jamie. They
said it's October, right, because the one would think that
it was December. Number five, I got the Chiefs. What
was scary about what the Chiefs did this past week
was they played like how they usually play in December
and it's only October. This week they got Rushie Rice
coming back, who is Patrick Mahone's favorite target.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
And with that being said, I have the Chiefs in.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
My top five, yes, top five out of thirty two
now number four. I like the Seahawks. The Seahawks, I
think is one of the more balanced teams. They cannot
only beat you offensively, but they can beat you defensively
and in special teams. We've seen some of those special
teams plays throughout the season with these kickoff returns, these
punt returns for touchdowns, the Seahawks are very explosive with
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all three fronts, and they can beat you through the
air and on the ground with Kenneth Walker and Jackson
Smith and Jigbob. Now number three, I still got the Lions.
I know they just lost to the Chiefs, but I
don't care. It's one of those things where when this
team loses, it's like they're going to be back. We've
seen what they've been able to do the past few
years with Dan Campbell. That wasn't the standard at which
we've been used to seeing Detroit play. We know the standard.
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They've executed that standard. I expect them to rebound after
this past week. Now number two, I got Tampa. I
don't think you could look at this anywhere in the
NFL and see a player that's playing at a higher
level than Baker Mayfield. And he's doing it without not
his wide receiver, one wide receiver, two wide receiver, three
his running back. There have been a whole bunch of
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injuries around the NFL, but Baker Mayfield continues to impress.
He continues to improvise and do everything he needs to
do to lead this team to victory. And oh, by
the way, Labonte David is still one of the best
linebackers in the NFL. Would be Toba number one. I
got the coach. Now, when you have the number one
scoring offense in the NFL, and you have the number
four scoring defense, and you have a special teams unit
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that doesn't really punt a lot, and when they do,
they have the most net yards in the NFL that
can beat you.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Left to right.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
You just saw Jonathan Taylor in this play goal left
and then where did Daniel Jones go?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
He goes right.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
But they've chosen that Daniel Jones can keep this ball
and he can still be producted on the ground running
the ball, whether he's a passer, whether he's a runner.
And sometimes Downs is the number one target, sometimes Pierces
the number one target, sometimes Pittman.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So you can't really put a finger.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
On who they like to target because they can't target anybody,
and I think they target the most guys. It seems
to be the So I got the Indianapolis culture.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
I'm just keeping an eye on the records in the
league as a whole as I look at all of
your lists, and I appreciate how you worked your way
through that and the fact that you landed on the
two best teams on your list had the two best
records in the NFL. We have eleven four win teams
right now in the NFL, four and two or four
one on one they all sit and that's a good
one man. Tai appreciate that, but I want to get
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the greater group, just to make sure we understand the
whole population.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Mike g Euroupe, Yeah, this is gonna.
Speaker 9 (16:32):
Be a wild exercise because we're going to have wildly
different answers.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
It's going to be incredible.
Speaker 9 (16:35):
I am leaving the Green Bay Packers off of my
top five. I was back and forth on that one.
I just can't get those back to back games a
couple of weeks ago, including that tie to the Cowboys
where they just couldn't cover George Pickens at that point.
So I'm going to write these in because I just
refuse to hold that thing up.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
And just like I'm not doing the wayne'sborold things.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
I'm going the Seahawks here at number five. Very impressed
with the way that Mike McDonald's starting to forge an
identity with this team, and that was a big thing
coming in.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Was year two with him.
Speaker 9 (17:01):
He's they're going to start to now look like what
he wants to this team, to be.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Tough, hard nose, run the football.
Speaker 9 (17:06):
We're talking about a close game against the Buccaneers away
from a five game winning streak for Seattle. So I'm
going to Seattle here. I'm gonna put Indianapolis right here
at number four. It's stuff that's sort of out of
their control, Like have they played enough playoff teams for
me to put them higher. They've played four of the
first six at home. I want to start seeing some
litmus tests along the way, so I'm gonna put them
right there. I'm gonna put the Detroit Lions here at
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number three. They still are playing the kind of football
that you don't want to see come into your building.
Even though they didn't do it against the Chiefs the
other night, we saw them do it against the Baltimore
Ravens a couple of weeks ago when the Ravens were
still healthy. So I'm still putting Detroit right there. Speaking
of the Chiefs, Rushie Rice is coming back. I think
it's going to make a huge difference. And this is
a team that has really played well of late. I
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think they're starting to click offensively. I think they are
starting to get there. And number one, who got Mike.
I'm going with the Tampa Bay at number one here
in this market. Joe Be Nigno is the big Jet fan,
the voice of the Jet fan and the former WF.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
He pops on occasionally and I heard him the other
day and he.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
Said, Todd Bowles, I understand what it was about. It
was more of like a I can't believe a Jets
coach is now being successful elsewhere. And he said, you know,
Todd Bowles fell into Baker Mayfield. I'm sorry what Bruce
arians fell into Tom Brady. Todd Bowles didn't fall into
Baker Mayfield. In fact, when they signed Baker Mayfield, I
went back and just checked to see what was happening,
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and they said he was signing for one year, four
million dollars to compete with John.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Wolford and Kyle Trask.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
Let's not forget that it wasn't exactly MVP level Baker
Mayfield at the time. And Todd Bowles has done a
great job hiring offensive coordinators to fit with Baker Mayfield,
coordinators who are now head coaches and has helped formulate
this whole thing around him and the identity of Baker Mayfield.
They are banged up, they are still producing. I love
what the Bucks are doing right now. Go ahead, tubbles.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I I have vivid memories of Sarah Walsh doing many
Kyle trast reports and like they were dead serious. They're
like Kyle Trask was going to be our guy, and
Baker Mayfield came up and he looks like the best
player in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
All right, So.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Easy transition, by the way, Mike, I like the style
of not the paper, just write it quickly between each
one and there's not the mess. Guess so I have
it five. I have the Tampay Buccaneers of five. We're
talking about right now, Week seven. Okay, very good team,
very good record, very good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
All their guys are heard.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
It feels like they're all hard and I know they're
coming back and they're training this way. The fact that
they lost the guy who's gonna win Rookie of the Year,
the fact that god Win again and Evans have been
banged up in Bucky. Like, I think they're a top
five team right now. Remember, fourteen teams make the playoffs.
It's not an insult that you're five or four for
the Love of God.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Number four. I have these guys.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
If you can read this, I have the Rams at four.
I will always stick by the Rams. The Rams beat
the Colts. That does matter, and it's gonna matter on
this list as well. I went back and forth, Matti,
I know you had Seattle and Mike had Seattle.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I like both those teams in the West.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I would like San Francisco if they weren't a hospital ward.
I like the Rams at number four, number three, only
this team could get absolutely get their clock clean and
still be a top three team in the league.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I have the Lions. I know that was an ugly game.
I know Week one was an ugly game.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
They've had two ugly games, and I still like them
that much because they're pretty.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Games are beautiful.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
To go back to the Wayne's World Top ten list,
They're Klaudia Schiffer, the Babraham Lincoln, They're just they're rem brands.
They look really good, and I think their ceiling is
as high as any.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Team in the league.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Ing here we go, Yes, definitely swing number two. I
got a five hundred team at there's the second best
team in the league.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
I have the Chiefs that display over Detroit was like,
oh crap, right like that.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Oh no, no, they can't keep getting away with this.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah they can, now they can.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Are you any if there's any doubt right now that
the Chiefs are gonna have at least one home playoff
game after you watch what they did and all, you've
already made the point about Rashid Rice. It's just like
they looked very good the other night, and they look
very familiar, and then number one, I'll just do it.
I would love to shock everybody and leave them off
the list, but I'm going with the coats of the
number one team right now in this moment. I know
they haven't played great competition when they played the bad teams.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
They destroy the bad teams. They did beat Denver. They
blew it against the Rams.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
The guy doesn't drop the ball before the goal line.
I think the ANFLS Colts win that game. They have
the best points differential in the league by far. It
means they're blowing teams out. They've had the best running
back in the league. I think they may already have
the best tight end in the league in a rookie
who's played just a handful of games in Tyler Warren.
Daniel Jones looks like he did that one year when
they want a road playoff game. N Er Brian dabl
(21:37):
The defense is great. I know it's there. It's the yeah,
but the yeah. But they played the Chargers next, we
will have a look. The Chargers are a very good team.
We probably expect to be in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
When do you believe if not? Now?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
They can only play who's on their schedule? Just what
is the week where if they beat them, then we'll believe.
This is not one in one anymore. It's not two
in one. It's oh what or not? Want a cute
little story with Danie Jones. They are a very good
team who are smashing people on the schedule most weeks.
And I have the Colts right now, says right there,
Week seven is the best team in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
All right, everybody hold up your board so we can
get a nice little fancy screen grab on October fifteenth.
That's what it looks like.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
All right, this is cool.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
Just a refresher exercise on how we do top five
lists on GMFB, or at least this is a rule
that Kyle lives by. Everybody puts their list up and
then we have to acknowledge those left off lists. For example,
I did a top five foot injuries list a couple
weeks ago, and Kyle was like, where's gout? Like we
always have to talk about going on there. You guys
have quite the list of four win teams that you
all ignored. I got that on my board right here.
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There is no Denver, there is no Buffalo, no Jacksonville Chargers,
New England, forty nine Ers, Philly, Pittsburgh All those four
win teams the three of you do not have in
your top five.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
So can anyone speak.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Up for the fact that these guys are not top
five powerful enough for you to be on your list
At four wins? You have a five hundred team, You've
got a team that's not looked great over.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Last couple of weeks. You have a super defending.
Speaker 8 (23:05):
Champion on this list, and none of you in fifteen
slots didn't put these teams on there.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
RYKB, I love the list because this is the statement
about this year in the NFL, is that.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I don't know who it's going to be. It could
be wild.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I'm looking at a lot of teams right there that
are really good teams. Now Buffalo looks terrible right now,
and they know, I think even Bills fans, I don't
know if they have them in the top five.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Maybe they'll get there, but not now. Philadelphia does not
look good right now at all. They do't look like
a top five.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Two.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
We can just take those off and then we have
another guys, you can join me here.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
The rest of them.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Are this conversation of teams that are kind of knocking
in the door, knocking on the door, like New England's
and Denver with young quarterbacks, or there teams that maybe
we just don't trust yet. And I'll put Jacksonville there. Yes,
they did beat the Chiefs, it was great, and then
they follow it up with kind of a disappointing loss.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
So we only get five spots.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Pittsburgh's an interesting one, too many, Like take your pick,
what do you think?
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Well, when I look at Pittsburgh, I'm looking at a
team that that's the team that I flirted with a
little bit. Right, They're trajectory is going to higher, whereas
if you look at the Bills, it seems.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Like they hit a stall.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Philadelphia doesn't look to look too good to kb's point,
But then you got you got teams like San Francisco
where they just lost Fred like that, losing your general
in the middle of that defense with a team that
already has so many injuries, that's hard. The Chargers they
have no old line right now, which is very concerning
for me to keep Justin Herbert healthy and safe. So
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and they don't have both in the runnebacks, so that's
also difficult.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
The guys that I actually.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Did flirt with was Denver and New England. I really
like how New England is playing, especially, but Denver, I
think there are some concerns with how they're playing offensively.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Defensively there's like.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Oh my gosh, it's they're the best defense in the NFL.
But offensively I think there's still there's still some hurdles
for them to kind of jump over, you like thoughts.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Two things I struggle with with this list. One injuries
and two recency bias. I didn't want to be like, Wow,
this thing happened on Sunday and it kind of impacted me.
Don't forget what happened two weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
It's a marathon, not a sprint. Types up. The other
thing is injuries.
Speaker 9 (25:07):
When you look at San Francisco, Nick Bosa and Fred
Warner are not coming back. You may say, my number
one team here, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is ravage at
the receiver position. Although Sterling Shepard may be listening to
us because he's coming up. They're totally fine at the
receiver position.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Sterling. Everything's great. But by the way, the top.
Speaker 9 (25:23):
Five at five is a reference to you. I'm struggling
at eight am right now. It's five am out on
the West Coast way to go out there. So yeah,
that's what I struggle with there, and that's why I left.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Some of them. I want to shout out to Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
One of these teams are like, hey, they would have
been number one on in this list. Philadelphia has beaten
two of the teams on my list.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
They have beaten Kansas City, they have beaten the Rams
and Eagles Fans like, what the hell, guys.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
You just lost by three scores to the Giants, Like
I have to go with what I just saw, Like
you did not compete in the second half of that
game to a rookie quarterback and the andandrothal rookie running back.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Maybe you're the eighth team or the ninth You're not
in the top five.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Right now.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
No, Kyle, the most entertaining thing is been happening in
my ear in the last seven minutes. You can't imagine
the amount of screaming that's been happening might from the
production booth into my ear.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
While these lists are unfolding.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
As you were going, they were like, there's.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
No egels, there's a level, and then.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
You just said, oh, the Eagles have beat two of
my teams, and then the symphony that just came into
me they've actually beaten three of your teams. Kyle, you
forgot about the bucks because if nothing else, the guys
in the booth like to make that gals in the
booth like to make sure that we all stand corrected
with our teams. But Kyle, you think it's annoying.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
When my little whiskers.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Trying to stay unbiased with a passionately biased production booth
in Los Angeles, I mean, guys of all things.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Now you're writing.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
For the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Did you watch the game last day? And I didn't
bet an eye.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
You're leaving the Eagles off of my time.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I'm very sorry.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I'm very sorry to check out.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I watched them, as did.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
All right, this is the best you can take your pick,
Walter Peyton, Kobe Bryant, Brett Favre, the nineties Cowboys. Our
next guest has written about all of them, and he's
written prolifically. And guess who's writing about now? Take a
look at this. He is writing about Tupac Shakur. That's
the book only God can judge me by. Jeff Pearlman.
(27:39):
Will he be judged by this book? I hope so,
because it's amazing as always. An old friend, an incredible writer.
Jeff Perlman and studio here in New York, say what's up?
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Jeff?
Speaker 10 (27:47):
Do you get tired of having guests come here talking
about Tupac?
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Second little old for you do it every single.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It never gets old. That's why we have you here.
It brings us to the first question. So I start, sweetness, Kobe,
far of all that Tupac? Why the zag two things?
Number one? This is going to sound weird.
Speaker 10 (28:06):
My mother in law is named Laura Cole and she
loves Tupac and for years she's been like, you should
do this book. I swear to God. So lives in Florida.
She's a huge hip hop fan. It was like, do
a Tupac book? Number two. I love Tupac and I
always wanted to write the book. It's a book I
always wanted to write. And I've done sports, done sports,
don sports. I just want to break out of my
cell a little bit and try something different.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
When is the Laura Cole book coming out? Yeah?
Speaker 10 (28:29):
Yeah, that's next, that's next.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
She's awesome.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
When you start, I mean, you'd written a lot about sports,
so it's sort of you have that structure and.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
That roll of dex.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
I guess you could say this had to be a
whole new world, Like how do you dive into that and.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Say, Okay, we've got to build this up from the ground.
That's hard and it's interesting.
Speaker 10 (28:50):
The thing you have with athletes when you're writing books,
that's an underrated thing.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
You have a schedule where they were.
Speaker 10 (28:56):
So I write Bo Jackson from this year to this year,
I know everywhere he was for eighty percent of the year.
Same with far, same with all these people Tubac, except
for touring, you don't know. So it's a lot of
finding old high school yearbooks, elementary school yearbooks, going through
liner notes of albums, and just calling, calling, calling, and
trying to recreate where he was, what he was doing.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
It was daunting, this incredibly morbid question.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
There's so many amazing things about his life, but a
lot of people who know about Tupac know about the
end of his life and have questions about it. So,
in doing the research the way that only you do it,
what is something that you learned?
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Or maybe they were surprised about the death of Tubac?
Speaker 10 (29:29):
All right, and there are people who disagree with me
on this too, bout Diehearts. I think what's surprising is
how all the conspiracy theories to me fall totally flat. Basically,
it's a Mike Tyson Bruce Seldon fight. Tyson's at this
fight's a terrible, terrible fight. Tyson kills him. After the game.
After the fight is over, Tubac is in the lobby
of the MGM Grant and he's with a bunch of
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guys from Death Row Records Show Knights label that he's
signed to, and they see a guy Orlando Anderson, who
is a Compton crip, and a guy next to Tupac
is with Tupac says, that's a guy who stole my
chain because there have been an altercation in a mall recently.
This guy was wearing a medallion, Orlando Anderson rip it off.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Two bucks? Is which guy? He goes?
Speaker 10 (30:07):
That guy right over there, and this guy, Orlando Anderson,
who's affiliated with the Compton Crips, Tupac walks up to him,
says hey you and punches him.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
All the Death Row guys pounce.
Speaker 10 (30:17):
Later on, Orlando Anderson is they're driving around looking for
a two buck. They go to Shook Clubby's not there,
and they see Tupac leaning out of sug Knight's car
kind of hollering at women as they walk by. Lano
Orlando anders Is like that that's him.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
That's that's Tupac.
Speaker 10 (30:33):
And I interviewed one of Orlando Anderson's best friends and
he said something that has actually stuck with me. He's like, Orlano,
Orlando Anderson could not go back to Compton and just
be like I got my ass kick by a rapper,
Like I got my ass hit by a rapper, like
the embarrassment of that.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Couldn't do it.
Speaker 10 (30:49):
So I just think it's more straightforward than people think.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Hmm, that's incredible.
Speaker 9 (30:54):
Are any reason, I mean, any resistance You're starting to
ask questions about you know, it's not a football game.
It's not a sport that you're asking that's a murder
that you're asking about. You ever get so far into
this you going.
Speaker 10 (31:05):
Like, well, oh yeah, yeah, I mean it was I
found the first police officer, I interviewed the first police
officer who got to the scene. I interviewed the coroner afterwards,
like I interviewed his family members who were in the
hospital with him. And the closer you get to something
like people like the sexy myth right, especially with young
Young Death Marilyn Monroe, Jim Steve, they love the mythology,
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but the closer you get and the people who know best,
they sort of break it down and they're actually exhausted
by it all because they've heard it over and over
and over again. And I just think the truth of
the matter is he punched the wrong guy. He was
the wrong guy to do it. It was crazy that
death Row let him do it. He had all these
guys who are experienced gang bangers, experienced security let him
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just walk.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Up and punch this guy and it ended his life.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
This is a tiny, tiny half of a percent of
what is in this It is page after page of
stuff like this that is completely riveting. The one subject
that you definitely have not written on that. Somebody needs, Jeff,
what is the book? I'm the New York what You're
an East Coast guy, You're like a jest.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Dude, Where do you go? What do you? How many
volumes is it? You're an author?
Speaker 3 (32:15):
How would you even approach a project like that?
Speaker 5 (32:17):
First?
Speaker 10 (32:17):
I would take this mug and slam it into my
head as hard as possible. Okay, just the futility and
the student I honestly got this year is the word.
I've been a Jeff fan, my whole h only team
I care about. I've been through, obviously the butt fumble.
I've been through Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
And the Achilles. I've been through a j.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
Dewey five intercept, three interceptions. I've been through not drafting
Warren Sapp and drafting Kyle Brady. I've been through not
drafting Marino, drafting Ken O'Brien, on and on and on.
This is the worst year I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Wow, I'm not kidding. I can't even fathom.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
What is it about it? Can you put a finger
on with the record is bad?
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Obviously?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
But is there anything?
Speaker 10 (32:52):
Yeah, there's no hope whatsoever. And they're going to get
the first pick of the draft and there's not even
a marque quarterback today. And make it even worse in
the same city and stadium. Oh, the other team found
a franchisequarterback. It looks like has an exciting young running
back and roll Oh, and this is go on Tupac.
(33:12):
This is when this is when the Patriots are supposed
to be down and the Jets were supposed to be No,
we skipped that one altogether. That was a year like
it's just my numbingly so I don't know what happened
and start writing the book. It's got to be like
six boys. Wait all the things you just said as
the book, I just want to say one thing, I'm
not curious. I'm i'm I think I was five years old.
My brother was seven Mayo pac New York. My brother
(33:33):
at the table says, I'm going to root for the Giants,
and I say, okay, I'm going to root for the Jets.
My brother would not recognize that Eli Manning if he
came up to him and said, I am Eli Manning.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
And that is what has caused me to be a
Jet fan.
Speaker 10 (33:44):
My brother, David Pearlman, has caused me to be a
Jet fan and ruined my life.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Only God can judge the Jets.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
Yeah, he is judging the Jets.
Speaker 9 (33:54):
Joe Fleckough once played for the Jets, now going to
play tonight.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Let's go were you in You both went to Delaware. Yeah,
I'm older than him. You are older.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Jeff. Jeffs a blue Hen.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
I am a Della blue Hen. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (34:03):
So in the field to night, your thoughts on Joe
Flacco is still out there slinging it.
Speaker 10 (34:08):
As you get older, I mean, you guys might appreciate
this too, right, You root for the guys who last
because you feel like they're at least kind of sort
of in a way in your age range. Look, but
people don't know about the University of Delaware. We had Flacco,
we have rich Gannon, we had former Giants Scott Runner,
we had former Lion Jeff Kamla, all starting quarterbacks in
the NFL. Yeah, Delaware one of four schools to have
a US president and a Super Bowl winning.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Quarterback and a head coach quarterback. He went there too.
It's a cool thing we're talking about today. So tonight
on Amazon, which.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Is geared towards young people, the two quarterbacks are both
over forty.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
It's Flacco and it's Rogers.
Speaker 10 (34:43):
Does that make you smile or I mean I'm not
a huge Rogers guy, but understood not everyone is.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Yeah. I love it.
Speaker 10 (34:50):
Yeah, I just think it's great, and I think it's crazy.
I think it's crazy that Joe Flacco is still a
starting quarterback in the NFL, but as a Blue hen.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Yes, I love it all right.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
So here's what I know about you.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
There's a passing comment that Jeff will make about it.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I'm not a huge Rogers guy. That is such a low.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Comment based on years and years of books and relationships
and research, that is not just the throwaway. So to
that point, let's do it. Jeff Proman's the perlative greatest
hits question. All of the books you've written, in all
of these figures that we've mentioned throughout this interview, who
do you think, including Tupac, who do you think is
the most interesting subject you've ever researched and written about.
Speaker 10 (35:22):
I'm not just saying this because the book's coming out.
It's two bok By tell us why, because there was
a guy. I think what people don't understand about Tupac
is he grew up an absolutely abject poverty, Baltimore row
house rats, running up and down the base sports Marin City.
His mom is addicted to crack and he is basically
kicked out of the house and living with friends. Poverty, poverty, trauma, trauma,
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trauma across the board.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Had his first sexual experience at fourteen.
Speaker 10 (35:48):
Years old with a cousin, his second and fifteen with
a friend of his mother. Like everything about his life
was traumatic. And people look at him and they see
thug life and they see.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
I get around.
Speaker 10 (35:59):
But what he overcame is unlike anything anything I've ever written.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
About, and you've written about it at all.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
I've written about many people.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Let me follow that your books are loaded with details, anecdotes, stories,
I mean some of the things now, A lot of
the things in the Cowboys documentary we first learned about
in your book About the Cowboys years ago.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I'm sure that's fun for you. What is not I got?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
What is the single most interesting little tidbit story or
anecdote that you have ever are craziest and ticketing where
you want?
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Jeff, you know what I'm looking for, all right, I'm
going to go actually USFL.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
And Jeff loves the FSFL wrote whole bok about. It's
incredibly thorough.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
You bring Football League nites.
Speaker 10 (36:37):
Yes, I just what was the story? I was thinking
about this? You gave me a heads up on this one. Yeah, okay.
They had the San Antonio gun Slingers or this dysfunctional franchise.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
You need to look up.
Speaker 10 (36:48):
Their helmets are like Woody from Toy Story. Yeah, and
they signed a defensive lineman named Greg Fields.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
And Greg Fields was a kid out.
Speaker 10 (36:54):
Of Grambling played with the Colts for a brief period
of time, was about to be cut by the Atlanta Falcons.
Would not leave the hotel room. They had to bring
a police officer to get him to leave. After he
was cut.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Here refuse leave.
Speaker 10 (37:04):
He joins the gun Slingers, and the owner of the
gun Slinger stops paying players. He just stops paying Greg Fields,
and Greg told me the story. Follows him home to
his mansion in Texas, pulls a baseball bat and out
of his trunk of his car. Clinton Mangus sees in
the owner and says, Greg, what are you doing here?
He's like, I'm here to get paid. Manga says, wait
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here one second, goes into the house, comes back out
with a paper bag stuff with I think it was
eighteen thousand dollars and he says, are we good? And
Fields goes, we're good, and you guys.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Off, He'll come at baseball batpoint.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
It was a very Tuo poc moment for Greg Field.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
You know what it all seems to come back, guys.
Only God can judge me. Jeff, tell them quickly to
where they can get it and how and all that
great stuff.
Speaker 10 (37:50):
Oh online everywhere and it comes out of Fish twenty first.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
October twenty first is five days.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Get this book. You will absolutely love it. I think
the absolute best in the game. Jeff prom and only
God can judge me. Go get it, guys.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
Good morning football,
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Good Morning.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
I have someone in here who I'm a genuine huge
fan of fourteen years on Blue bloods Our next guest
is leaving New York. He's shipping up to Boston appropriately
his newest show, Boston Blue on CBS. We're gonna play
a clip and then I'm just gonna gush about this.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
Dude. Go ahead.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
If anything changes, I'll call you right away. Yeah me
do do.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Oh.
Speaker 6 (00:49):
Your lab connected the two we found in the alley
to scratches.
Speaker 5 (00:53):
On Andrea Decker's desk. No identify a full fingerprints, but
they did track the logo to a local hardware store.
Lab confirmed kerosene and turpentine.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Like I said, now, that's a lead on the flag.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
It looks like, yeah, nowhere, I'm the murder.
Speaker 6 (01:08):
I'm sorry you call that police work, detective. You confirm
two chemicals that any clown could purchase at any superstore
in the United States, and you throw it in our face.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Like it's evidence. You want to say that again. I
just said it to you and you didn't do a
damn thing about it.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
That was Boston Blue. This is Donnie Wahlburg, My guy,
what's up, baby? How are you doing?
Speaker 5 (01:31):
Finally finally here with them. I'm very happy about it.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
We've tried to make this happen and I'm the one
pushing it and set the table for decades. You've been
a guy that I've loved. I'm talking about movies, the
TV show, The Burgers, like I go way back with
New Kids, man, like for real, like I was doing
all that stuff.
Speaker 4 (01:47):
I was life man. Busy, yeah, busy.
Speaker 5 (01:50):
But blessed. You know.
Speaker 6 (01:51):
It's just taking everything in stride and staying grateful for
like all the things you mentioned and more, you know,
my family, my kids, just you know, trying to put
my focus, attention, love and gratitude into doing the things
that I've always wanted to do.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
Right Like we're on a football show right now.
Speaker 6 (02:12):
This was something I always wanted to do and we
did it and not be happy. It's like you got
to get up early and talk to God. I'm like,
that's a problem, because what.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And you know what we do?
Speaker 3 (02:20):
We immediately look to the top of the AFC East
leader board.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Dude, my first place, New England Patriots, Baby.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
The Bills lose a national television last night. Unreal, the
Pats are cooking. What is the state of your emotions
right now?
Speaker 4 (02:33):
For the Patriots?
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Happy? Really for mister Craft.
Speaker 6 (02:37):
I went to opening game this year and had the
pleasure of sitting with mister Craft and Jonathan and you know,
I know there are high hopes and I know there's
also realistic you know thoughts there. They're like, we're kind
of going young. You know, they got rid of a
lot of the veterans right before the season. Jabrill Peppers,
who I love, like guys like that were just kind
of sent out and I was like, oh, wow, maybe
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it's more of a rebuild than we think.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
But the young guys are.
Speaker 6 (03:00):
Clicking and the everything's kind of working, and you know,
and to see like to see this team coming around.
I dropped mister crafton I'm not name dropping. He's just
one of the nicest guys in the world. He's just
one of the nicest people I've ever met. And you know,
to be able to drop him a note and hear
the joy in his response that is starting to come together,
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it's really exciting.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
Do you you've been after this, your Pat's man, your
entire family for decades. Do you have like a real
specific era or even a year that like you were.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Like, god, that was my favorite. Man.
Speaker 6 (03:33):
Well, fortunately we get like a twenty year era with
Todd and coach Belichick. So it's hard to pick. I
would say my favorite super Bowl. Look, if you're if
you have a heart, your favorite has to be the
first one. Yeah, after nine to eleven and with all
that happened, you have to love that one. But for me,
the most important was against Seattle. I don't like to pick.
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You know, William McGinn as, Teddy, Bruce Key, those are
my guys, Troy Brown, I love those guys, Ty Law
and still underrated all those guys, they're all Hall of
famers and my opinion, but this but this game was everything.
You know, we had to break through for that fourth
super Bowl. You know, Troy Aikman's a very underrated quarterback because.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
He didn't get the fourth one. You know, Michael Irvin,
the playmaker.
Speaker 6 (04:19):
Underrated, Emmitt Smith is Edmon Smith is underrated for he
never got the fourth.
Speaker 5 (04:23):
Four takes it to a different place.
Speaker 6 (04:25):
And somehow that Patriots dynasty wasn't complete till they got
the fourth. And then you see once they got the
fourth and along came five and.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Six, and it had been almost ten years since they
had one one. They had this long drought, and you
got to be.
Speaker 4 (04:38):
Thinking, oh my god, they're gonna give it to Marshawn.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
We're screwed.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
We're gonna lose another one. And then Malcolm Butler's like,
this lightning strike. I think it's a great answer.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
I just didn't know what was gonna happen.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
You know, I'm watching and I thought we had the
game locked up. I'm like, all right, they're not getting four.
And I did have confidence because we had Revis, we
had Brown are back there. We had a good group,
and I was like, we're gonna be okay, We're gonna
stop these guys. And yes, when that crazy catch happened,
every New England fan was like, come on, that's what
used to happen to Bostonians before the Patriots came. You know,
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Bill Buckner, the rest of Soul, Bill Buckner, you know,
all those things would happen to us, Bucky Dent, it
always happened to us, and we kind of thought we
exercised all those demons and suddenly here we are with
another crazy catch in the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
It's like, but.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
You know, I don't blame Pete Carroll.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Interesting, you don't blame him for having rush throw in
that play?
Speaker 6 (05:31):
Why because you figure, you know, if it goes incomplete.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
See, I don't blame Pete Carroll.
Speaker 6 (05:37):
I credit Bill Belichick because they practiced that play and
they didn't cheat, They didn't do illegal videotaping. They did
what they were supposed to do. They scouted, they knew
what the Seahawks.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Run at the goal line, and they were prepared.
Speaker 6 (05:50):
And you saw there's practice video out there when Malcolm
couldn't get around the screen. And give Belichick credit. I
don't like the people discrediting Belichick. I know North Carolina's bad.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Never mind, this is a good old bass. There's a
lot of good old for you.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You have so many new things going on, but so
many years blue book, so many years, fourteen years. It's
you know, it's kind of analogous to sports, where you
kind of said goodbye to the certain era.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Of the Patriots. What was it like to say goodbye
to that?
Speaker 5 (06:19):
It was very emotional, I bet, I have to say,
more so than I thought.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
When you're in this industry, you kind of assume things
can turn on a dime, right, your show can go
away at any given moment, and I always thought Blue
Bloods would. From the moment I decided to do it,
I said, this is going to last a long time,
and you know, no one believed me, and I didn't
have any secret answer as to why.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
I just felt right.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
But when it ended, it was hard because it's not
just the show we're saying goodbye to. It's not just
the characters in the cast. There are hundreds of crew members.
Like I wanted to see some of our crew members retire,
and I thought I would write it's like when you
start getting into your ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen, It's like, oh,
we're just gonna I'm gonna watch all these people who
I've fallen in love with. I've watched it children grow
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up before my eyes, and I thought I'd be with
them for the next decade. And it stopped, and uh,
you know, it was very, very emotional for for a
lot of those reasons.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
I feel it.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
I could see it even in your face when you're
talking about it. I think it was emotional for fans too,
because there's people who watched that a few week for years.
But we move on, and I feel like the Drake
May in this situation is appropriately Boston Blue. We're in
a new era's have something new to watch? Tell us
more about it.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Well, we hope it's the new era.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
We don't want to It's fine.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
We want to be in there.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
Talking about Drake or the show.
Speaker 6 (07:40):
No, there was a little lull in between Drake May
and the Breed was a new Queser was so I
would have personally stuck with Cam Newton a little longer.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Cam.
Speaker 6 (07:47):
I think Cam could have could have turned things around
in New England.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
We have you got takes. I love your takes.
Speaker 6 (07:52):
I love Cam's underrated. But okay, let's move on Boston Blue. Look,
when this opportunity came, of course, Boston was the hook
for me right to get me on board. But it
took a minute because I I love Blue Bloods and
I wanted to make sure if we go forward into
this new world with Danny, that it's doing it with
a Creating a new world, creating a new show, a
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new cast of characters, and making Danny a fish out
of water to be a lot of fun for me
to do as a playing a New Yorker in Boston.
All these New Yorkers taught me how to hate Boston
for the last decade and.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
A half on Blue bloods Now.
Speaker 6 (08:25):
I could take those lessons and I'll do you hate Boston?
Speaker 4 (08:28):
What is nothing? Number one?
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Oh, we go to a Red Sox game, second episode
where the Red Sox great and it's but Danny is
a Mets fan.
Speaker 5 (08:36):
I wouldn't let him be a Yankees.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
I couldn't go that far. I have a limit how
far in the contract. In the contract, I.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Was like, listen, Mets, yes, Yankees, I can swallow Mets.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
We have so many other things to hit quickly. Your wife, Jenny,
people are not home. Jenny McCarthy also a huge fan.
I've been for years and just love energetic and crazy
and creative and just fun.
Speaker 4 (08:58):
I'll go girl, Chicago girl like me? How is Jenny?
What's going on? Yes? Sorry? In another likee, how's Jenny?
How's life?
Speaker 5 (09:05):
She's great.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
She's just started season I don't know five hundred of
the mass singer talk about a long run on a show,
and there she is. She's a converted Boston sports fan.
I got her on board, man, she was we kind
of made a deal if I moved to Illinois. She
moves her allegiances to Boston. So really, yeah, she's all
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in with the Patriots, the Red Sox, got Celtics and the.
Speaker 4 (09:30):
Bruins, and there's there's a fascinating thing. Tell me if
I did you meet Jenny in this building?
Speaker 3 (09:36):
We're all right now because upstairs from here is watch
What Happens Live with Jenny Cohen.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
You did, This is where it all happened. This is
where was the story? How did you meet?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
We were both guests on Andy show, and I made
a point.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
I was like, do not flirt with her. She probably
gets hit on all the time.
Speaker 6 (09:50):
I could go there and and so we were like,
you know, we were being very cordial, and we inevitably
flirted anyway, but I didn't have any intention of asking
her out or anything.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
After the show, Andy kept saying.
Speaker 6 (10:01):
You gotta ask he out, You gott ask her out,
and I was like, oh man, I'm not asking around.
Speaker 5 (10:05):
He was like, trust me, she's a good girl. You
got to ask her out. And I didn't.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
But cut to a few months later, she now had
her own talk.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Show and asked me to be a guest.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
I was like, h maybe maybe she's asking me because
there was chemistry.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
I don't know. Maybe, And when I did her show
it was over. We pretty much.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
She gave me her phone number after the show, which
I was like, uh.
Speaker 5 (10:29):
And I called. I gave it a few weeks. I
let it marinate. So she did. Had she liked? She did?
Speaker 4 (10:34):
She did. I didn't realize number.
Speaker 5 (10:36):
I didn't realize until there was a promo.
Speaker 6 (10:39):
For her, like two episodes later, after I was on
the show and she had a psychic on and she
says to the psychic, am I going to fall in
love this year? And the psychic said, oh yeah, and
she said, is his name Donnie Wahlberg and.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
Happening here? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (10:51):
I had never called her, and I called her that
night for sure.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Of course she didn't.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
I have to ask you before you go, new kids,
what's the state of the nation. I go way back
with him. I think it's so cool that you guys
still do this and still do it so hardcore.
Speaker 6 (11:04):
What we are starting the second wave of our Vegas
residency in two weeks November first and at the Park
MGM Adobe Live. It's phenomenal.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
You know.
Speaker 6 (11:14):
I went to see Usher Gosh two years ago and
in the same theater, and you know, he was so
gracious and sat down and told me about Vegas and
what it's like to do it, and we started exploring
it and here we are. This is the biggest, craziest,
awesomest New Kids show. That's great, Yeah, it's it's phenomenal.
It's a Vegas show. What huge, you know, because in
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Vegas they're like, do ninety minutes so we can get
everyone to spill into the casino and spend their money.
We're like, no, no, no, no, our fans coming from around
the world. We're doing at least two hours, so it's
it's I think thirty songs in two hours.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
There is all.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
I mean, we're flying in the sky, we're in the
audience where we arrive in a subway carments.
Speaker 5 (11:55):
That's really incredible.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
What are you guys open with? Is it Hanging Tough?
Speaker 6 (11:58):
Is a song produced by Timbaland from our two thousand
and eight reunion album called Twisted Twisted.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
That's the open ring.
Speaker 5 (12:04):
It's a it's hot.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
Yeah, it's a really great song and we do all
the classics.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
It's nostalgia. I think we have confetti like six times,
is that right?
Speaker 4 (12:12):
You know?
Speaker 6 (12:12):
When you go to the New Kids, it's like we're
going to feel good. We're going to to sort of
live into that inner innocent part of us that we
have to put away to have jobs and kids and
divorces and lose our loved ones as we get older.
It's like it's it's a return to innocence.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
I think you know what, when you go to a
twenty twenty five Patriots game, you go to good and
they're going to win. And when you watch Boston Blue
this Friday night at ten pm, nine pm Central on
CBS and streaming on Paramount Plush, you watch it to
feel good.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
Donnie, You're the man. I love what you do. I'm
gonna watch the.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
Show harder and Snega Martin Green.
Speaker 4 (12:45):
By the way, she is Snego Martin Green.
Speaker 6 (12:47):
Incredible phenomenal, incredible phenomenal.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Great crew, great staff, great cast.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Donnie Wahlberg, the legend, watch the show, watches movies.
Speaker 7 (12:55):
And go pass.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Let's go.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Twenty five. Marcus Jones, my guy, that's the man.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Good mon football, good football. The Lions loss.
Speaker 8 (13:19):
The Bills have had a tough couple of weeks. The
Eagles dropped from four and oh to four and two quickly.
Ravens are unforeseen and the Chiefs are at five hundred.
Twenty fourteen was the last time that we went into
this point of the season with no one defeated team.
Speaker 4 (13:32):
So here we go.
Speaker 8 (13:33):
Everyone get their whiteboards out and your little laminated stick
there and rank your five best teams five four, three
two one man time with the vertical board eurerope.
Speaker 7 (13:42):
First, I'm so glad you said the date, Jamie. They
said it's October, right, because the one would think that
it was December. Number five, I got the Chiefs. What
was scary about what the Chiefs did this past week
was they played like how they usually play in December
and it's only October. This week they got Rushie Rice
coming back, who is Patrick Mahone's favorite target.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
And with that being said, I have the Chiefs in.
Speaker 7 (14:03):
My top five, yes, top five out of thirty two
now number four. I like the Seahawks. The Seahawks, I
think is one of the more balanced teams. They cannot
only beat you offensively, but they can beat you defensively
and in special teams. We've seen some of those special
teams plays throughout the season with these kickoff returns, these
punt returns for touchdowns, the Seahawks are very explosive with
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all three fronts, and they can beat you through the
air and on the ground with Kenneth Walker and Jackson
Smith and Jigbob. Now number three, I still got the Lions.
I know they just lost to the Chiefs, but I
don't care. It's one of those things where when this
team loses, it's like they're going to be back. We've
seen what they've been able to do the past few
years with Dan Campbell. That wasn't the standard at which
we've been used to seeing Detroit play. We know the standard.
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They've executed that standard. I expect them to rebound after
this past week. Now number two, I got Tampa. I
don't think you could look at this anywhere in the
NFL and see a player that's playing at a higher
level than Baker Mayfield. And he's doing it without not
his wide receiver, one wide receiver, two wide receiver, three
his running back. There have been a whole bunch of
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injuries around the NFL, but Baker Mayfield continues to impress.
He continues to improvise and do everything he needs to
do to lead this team to victory. And oh, by
the way, Labonte David is still one of the best
linebackers in the NFL. Would be Toba number one. I
got the coach. Now, when you have the number one
scoring offense in the NFL, and you have the number
four scoring defense, and you have a special teams unit
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that doesn't really punt a lot, and when they do,
they have the most net yards in the NFL that
can beat you.
Speaker 5 (15:37):
Left to right.
Speaker 7 (15:37):
You just saw Jonathan Taylor in this play goal left
and then where did Daniel Jones go?
Speaker 4 (15:42):
He goes right.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
But they've chosen that Daniel Jones can keep this ball
and he can still be producted on the ground running
the ball, whether he's a passer, whether he's a runner.
And sometimes Downs is the number one target, sometimes Pierces
the number one target, sometimes Pittman.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So you can't really put a finger.
Speaker 7 (15:59):
On who they like to target because they can't target anybody,
and I think they target the most guys. It seems
to be the So I got the Indianapolis culture.
Speaker 8 (16:06):
I'm just keeping an eye on the records in the
league as a whole as I look at all of
your lists, and I appreciate how you worked your way
through that and the fact that you landed on the
two best teams on your list had the two best
records in the NFL. We have eleven four win teams
right now in the NFL, four and two or four
one on one they all sit and that's a good
one man. Tai appreciate that, but I want to get
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the greater group, just to make sure we understand the
whole population.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Mike g Euroupe, Yeah, this is gonna.
Speaker 9 (16:32):
Be a wild exercise because we're going to have wildly
different answers.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
It's going to be incredible.
Speaker 9 (16:35):
I am leaving the Green Bay Packers off of my
top five. I was back and forth on that one.
I just can't get those back to back games a
couple of weeks ago, including that tie to the Cowboys
where they just couldn't cover George Pickens at that point.
So I'm going to write these in because I just
refuse to hold that thing up.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
And just like I'm not doing the wayne'sborold things.
Speaker 9 (16:51):
I'm going the Seahawks here at number five. Very impressed
with the way that Mike McDonald's starting to forge an
identity with this team, and that was a big thing
coming in.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
Was year two with him.
Speaker 9 (17:01):
He's they're going to start to now look like what
he wants to this team, to be.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
Tough, hard nose, run the football.
Speaker 9 (17:06):
We're talking about a close game against the Buccaneers away
from a five game winning streak for Seattle. So I'm
going to Seattle here. I'm gonna put Indianapolis right here
at number four. It's stuff that's sort of out of
their control, Like have they played enough playoff teams for
me to put them higher. They've played four of the
first six at home. I want to start seeing some
litmus tests along the way, so I'm gonna put them
right there. I'm gonna put the Detroit Lions here at
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number three. They still are playing the kind of football
that you don't want to see come into your building.
Even though they didn't do it against the Chiefs the
other night, we saw them do it against the Baltimore
Ravens a couple of weeks ago when the Ravens were
still healthy. So I'm still putting Detroit right there. Speaking
of the Chiefs, Rushie Rice is coming back. I think
it's going to make a huge difference. And this is
a team that has really played well of late. I
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think they're starting to click offensively. I think they are
starting to get there. And number one, who got Mike.
I'm going with the Tampa Bay at number one here
in this market. Joe Be Nigno is the big Jet fan,
the voice of the Jet fan and the former WF.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
He pops on occasionally and I heard him the other
day and he.
Speaker 9 (18:07):
Said, Todd Bowles, I understand what it was about. It
was more of like a I can't believe a Jets
coach is now being successful elsewhere. And he said, you know,
Todd Bowles fell into Baker Mayfield. I'm sorry what Bruce
arians fell into Tom Brady. Todd Bowles didn't fall into
Baker Mayfield. In fact, when they signed Baker Mayfield, I
went back and just checked to see what was happening,
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and they said he was signing for one year, four
million dollars to compete with John.
Speaker 4 (18:32):
Wolford and Kyle Trask.
Speaker 9 (18:34):
Let's not forget that it wasn't exactly MVP level Baker
Mayfield at the time. And Todd Bowles has done a
great job hiring offensive coordinators to fit with Baker Mayfield,
coordinators who are now head coaches and has helped formulate
this whole thing around him and the identity of Baker Mayfield.
They are banged up, they are still producing. I love
what the Bucks are doing right now. Go ahead, tubbles.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
I I have vivid memories of Sarah Walsh doing many
Kyle trast reports and like they were dead serious. They're
like Kyle Trask was going to be our guy, and
Baker Mayfield came up and he looks like the best
player in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (19:07):
All right, So.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
Easy transition, by the way, Mike, I like the style
of not the paper, just write it quickly between each
one and there's not the mess. Guess so I have
it five. I have the Tampay Buccaneers of five. We're
talking about right now, Week seven. Okay, very good team,
very good record, very good quarterback.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
All their guys are heard.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
It feels like they're all hard and I know they're
coming back and they're training this way. The fact that
they lost the guy who's gonna win Rookie of the Year,
the fact that god Win again and Evans have been
banged up in Bucky. Like, I think they're a top
five team right now. Remember, fourteen teams make the playoffs.
It's not an insult that you're five or four for
the Love of God.
Speaker 4 (19:42):
Number four. I have these guys.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
If you can read this, I have the Rams at four.
I will always stick by the Rams. The Rams beat
the Colts. That does matter, and it's gonna matter on
this list as well. I went back and forth, Matti,
I know you had Seattle and Mike had Seattle.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
I like both those teams in the West.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
I would like San Francisco if they weren't a hospital ward.
I like the Rams at number four, number three, only
this team could get absolutely get their clock clean and
still be a top three team in the league.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I have the Lions. I know that was an ugly game.
I know Week one was an ugly game.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
They've had two ugly games, and I still like them
that much because they're pretty.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Games are beautiful.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
To go back to the Wayne's World Top ten list,
They're Klaudia Schiffer, the Babraham Lincoln, They're just they're rem brands.
They look really good, and I think their ceiling is
as high as any.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Team in the league.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Ing here we go, Yes, definitely swing number two. I
got a five hundred team at there's the second best
team in the league.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
I have the Chiefs that display over Detroit was like,
oh crap, right like that.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Oh no, no, they can't keep getting away with this.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Yeah they can, now they can.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
Are you any if there's any doubt right now that
the Chiefs are gonna have at least one home playoff
game after you watch what they did and all, you've
already made the point about Rashid Rice. It's just like
they looked very good the other night, and they look
very familiar, and then number one, I'll just do it.
I would love to shock everybody and leave them off
the list, but I'm going with the coats of the
number one team right now in this moment. I know
they haven't played great competition when they played the bad teams.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
They destroy the bad teams. They did beat Denver. They
blew it against the Rams.
Speaker 3 (21:17):
The guy doesn't drop the ball before the goal line.
I think the ANFLS Colts win that game. They have
the best points differential in the league by far. It
means they're blowing teams out. They've had the best running
back in the league. I think they may already have
the best tight end in the league in a rookie
who's played just a handful of games in Tyler Warren.
Daniel Jones looks like he did that one year when
they want a road playoff game. N Er Brian dabl
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The defense is great. I know it's there. It's the yeah,
but the yeah. But they played the Chargers next, we
will have a look. The Chargers are a very good team.
We probably expect to be in the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
When do you believe if not? Now?
Speaker 3 (21:49):
They can only play who's on their schedule? Just what
is the week where if they beat them, then we'll believe.
This is not one in one anymore. It's not two
in one. It's oh what or not? Want a cute
little story with Danie Jones. They are a very good
team who are smashing people on the schedule most weeks.
And I have the Colts right now, says right there,
Week seven is the best team in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (22:06):
All right, everybody hold up your board so we can
get a nice little fancy screen grab on October fifteenth.
That's what it looks like.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
All right, this is cool.
Speaker 8 (22:15):
Just a refresher exercise on how we do top five
lists on GMFB, or at least this is a rule
that Kyle lives by. Everybody puts their list up and
then we have to acknowledge those left off lists. For example,
I did a top five foot injuries list a couple
weeks ago, and Kyle was like, where's gout? Like we
always have to talk about going on there. You guys
have quite the list of four win teams that you
all ignored. I got that on my board right here.
(22:38):
There is no Denver, there is no Buffalo, no Jacksonville Chargers,
New England, forty nine Ers, Philly, Pittsburgh All those four
win teams the three of you do not have in
your top five.
Speaker 4 (22:51):
So can anyone speak.
Speaker 8 (22:53):
Up for the fact that these guys are not top
five powerful enough for you to be on your list
At four wins? You have a five hundred team, You've
got a team that's not looked great over.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
Last couple of weeks. You have a super defending.
Speaker 8 (23:05):
Champion on this list, and none of you in fifteen
slots didn't put these teams on there.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
RYKB, I love the list because this is the statement
about this year in the NFL, is that.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
I don't know who it's going to be. It could
be wild.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
I'm looking at a lot of teams right there that
are really good teams. Now Buffalo looks terrible right now,
and they know, I think even Bills fans, I don't
know if they have them in the top five.
Speaker 4 (23:25):
Maybe they'll get there, but not now. Philadelphia does not
look good right now at all. They do't look like
a top five.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
Two.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
We can just take those off and then we have
another guys, you can join me here.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
The rest of them.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Are this conversation of teams that are kind of knocking
in the door, knocking on the door, like New England's
and Denver with young quarterbacks, or there teams that maybe
we just don't trust yet. And I'll put Jacksonville there. Yes,
they did beat the Chiefs, it was great, and then
they follow it up with kind of a disappointing loss.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
So we only get five spots.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Pittsburgh's an interesting one, too many, Like take your pick,
what do you think?
Speaker 7 (23:57):
Well, when I look at Pittsburgh, I'm looking at a
team that that's the team that I flirted with a
little bit. Right, They're trajectory is going to higher, whereas
if you look at the Bills, it seems.
Speaker 5 (24:07):
Like they hit a stall.
Speaker 7 (24:08):
Philadelphia doesn't look to look too good to kb's point,
But then you got you got teams like San Francisco
where they just lost Fred like that, losing your general
in the middle of that defense with a team that
already has so many injuries, that's hard. The Chargers they
have no old line right now, which is very concerning
for me to keep Justin Herbert healthy and safe. So
(24:30):
and they don't have both in the runnebacks, so that's
also difficult.
Speaker 4 (24:33):
The guys that I actually.
Speaker 7 (24:34):
Did flirt with was Denver and New England. I really
like how New England is playing, especially, but Denver, I
think there are some concerns with how they're playing offensively.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
Defensively there's like.
Speaker 7 (24:44):
Oh my gosh, it's they're the best defense in the NFL.
But offensively I think there's still there's still some hurdles
for them to kind of jump over, you like thoughts.
Speaker 9 (24:53):
Two things I struggle with with this list. One injuries
and two recency bias. I didn't want to be like, Wow,
this thing happened on Sunday and it kind of impacted me.
Don't forget what happened two weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (25:04):
It's a marathon, not a sprint. Types up. The other
thing is injuries.
Speaker 9 (25:07):
When you look at San Francisco, Nick Bosa and Fred
Warner are not coming back. You may say, my number
one team here, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers is ravage at
the receiver position. Although Sterling Shepard may be listening to
us because he's coming up. They're totally fine at the
receiver position.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Sterling. Everything's great. But by the way, the top.
Speaker 9 (25:23):
Five at five is a reference to you. I'm struggling
at eight am right now. It's five am out on
the West Coast way to go out there. So yeah,
that's what I struggle with there, and that's why I left.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Some of them. I want to shout out to Philadelphia.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
One of these teams are like, hey, they would have
been number one on in this list. Philadelphia has beaten
two of the teams on my list.
Speaker 4 (25:42):
They have beaten Kansas City, they have beaten the Rams
and Eagles Fans like, what the hell, guys.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
You just lost by three scores to the Giants, Like
I have to go with what I just saw, Like
you did not compete in the second half of that
game to a rookie quarterback and the andandrothal rookie running back.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Maybe you're the eighth team or the ninth You're not
in the top five.
Speaker 4 (26:01):
Right now.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
No, Kyle, the most entertaining thing is been happening in
my ear in the last seven minutes. You can't imagine
the amount of screaming that's been happening might from the
production booth into my ear.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
While these lists are unfolding.
Speaker 8 (26:13):
As you were going, they were like, there's.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
No egels, there's a level, and then.
Speaker 8 (26:19):
You just said, oh, the Eagles have beat two of
my teams, and then the symphony that just came into
me they've actually beaten three of your teams. Kyle, you
forgot about the bucks because if nothing else, the guys
in the booth like to make that gals in the
booth like to make sure that we all stand corrected
with our teams. But Kyle, you think it's annoying.
Speaker 4 (26:37):
When my little whiskers.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Trying to stay unbiased with a passionately biased production booth
in Los Angeles, I mean, guys of all things.
Speaker 4 (26:46):
Now you're writing.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
For the Eagles.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Did you watch the game last day? And I didn't
bet an eye.
Speaker 9 (26:51):
You're leaving the Eagles off of my time.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
I'm very sorry.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I'm very sorry to check out.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
I watched them, as did.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
All right, this is the best you can take your pick,
Walter Peyton, Kobe Bryant, Brett Favre, the nineties Cowboys. Our
next guest has written about all of them, and he's
written prolifically. And guess who's writing about now? Take a
look at this. He is writing about Tupac Shakur. That's
the book only God can judge me by. Jeff Pearlman.
(27:39):
Will he be judged by this book? I hope so,
because it's amazing as always. An old friend, an incredible writer.
Jeff Perlman and studio here in New York, say what's up?
Speaker 4 (27:47):
Jeff?
Speaker 10 (27:47):
Do you get tired of having guests come here talking
about Tupac?
Speaker 5 (27:50):
Second little old for you do it every single.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
It never gets old. That's why we have you here.
It brings us to the first question. So I start, sweetness, Kobe,
far of all that Tupac? Why the zag two things?
Number one? This is going to sound weird.
Speaker 10 (28:06):
My mother in law is named Laura Cole and she
loves Tupac and for years she's been like, you should
do this book. I swear to God. So lives in Florida.
She's a huge hip hop fan. It was like, do
a Tupac book? Number two. I love Tupac and I
always wanted to write the book. It's a book I
always wanted to write. And I've done sports, done sports,
don sports. I just want to break out of my
cell a little bit and try something different.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
When is the Laura Cole book coming out? Yeah?
Speaker 10 (28:29):
Yeah, that's next, that's next.
Speaker 4 (28:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
She's awesome.
Speaker 9 (28:34):
When you start, I mean, you'd written a lot about sports,
so it's sort of you have that structure and.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
That roll of dex.
Speaker 9 (28:42):
I guess you could say this had to be a
whole new world, Like how do you dive into that and.
Speaker 5 (28:46):
Say, Okay, we've got to build this up from the ground.
That's hard and it's interesting.
Speaker 10 (28:50):
The thing you have with athletes when you're writing books,
that's an underrated thing.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
You have a schedule where they were.
Speaker 10 (28:56):
So I write Bo Jackson from this year to this year,
I know everywhere he was for eighty percent of the year.
Same with far, same with all these people Tubac, except
for touring, you don't know. So it's a lot of
finding old high school yearbooks, elementary school yearbooks, going through
liner notes of albums, and just calling, calling, calling, and
trying to recreate where he was, what he was doing.
Speaker 5 (29:13):
It was daunting, this incredibly morbid question.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
There's so many amazing things about his life, but a
lot of people who know about Tupac know about the
end of his life and have questions about it. So,
in doing the research the way that only you do it,
what is something that you learned?
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Or maybe they were surprised about the death of Tubac?
Speaker 10 (29:29):
All right, and there are people who disagree with me
on this too, bout Diehearts. I think what's surprising is
how all the conspiracy theories to me fall totally flat. Basically,
it's a Mike Tyson Bruce Seldon fight. Tyson's at this
fight's a terrible, terrible fight. Tyson kills him. After the game.
After the fight is over, Tubac is in the lobby
of the MGM Grant and he's with a bunch of
(29:50):
guys from Death Row Records Show Knights label that he's
signed to, and they see a guy Orlando Anderson, who
is a Compton crip, and a guy next to Tupac
is with Tupac says, that's a guy who stole my
chain because there have been an altercation in a mall recently.
This guy was wearing a medallion, Orlando Anderson rip it off.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Two bucks? Is which guy? He goes?
Speaker 10 (30:07):
That guy right over there, and this guy, Orlando Anderson,
who's affiliated with the Compton Crips, Tupac walks up to him,
says hey you and punches him.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
All the Death Row guys pounce.
Speaker 10 (30:17):
Later on, Orlando Anderson is they're driving around looking for
a two buck. They go to Shook Clubby's not there,
and they see Tupac leaning out of sug Knight's car
kind of hollering at women as they walk by. Lano
Orlando anders Is like that that's him.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
That's that's Tupac.
Speaker 10 (30:33):
And I interviewed one of Orlando Anderson's best friends and
he said something that has actually stuck with me. He's like, Orlano,
Orlando Anderson could not go back to Compton and just
be like I got my ass kick by a rapper,
Like I got my ass hit by a rapper, like
the embarrassment of that.
Speaker 5 (30:48):
Couldn't do it.
Speaker 10 (30:49):
So I just think it's more straightforward than people think.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
Hmm, that's incredible.
Speaker 9 (30:54):
Are any reason, I mean, any resistance You're starting to
ask questions about you know, it's not a football game.
It's not a sport that you're asking that's a murder
that you're asking about. You ever get so far into
this you going.
Speaker 10 (31:05):
Like, well, oh yeah, yeah, I mean it was I
found the first police officer, I interviewed the first police
officer who got to the scene. I interviewed the coroner afterwards,
like I interviewed his family members who were in the
hospital with him. And the closer you get to something
like people like the sexy myth right, especially with young
Young Death Marilyn Monroe, Jim Steve, they love the mythology,
(31:27):
but the closer you get and the people who know best,
they sort of break it down and they're actually exhausted
by it all because they've heard it over and over
and over again. And I just think the truth of
the matter is he punched the wrong guy. He was
the wrong guy to do it. It was crazy that
death Row let him do it. He had all these
guys who are experienced gang bangers, experienced security let him
(31:48):
just walk.
Speaker 5 (31:48):
Up and punch this guy and it ended his life.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
This is a tiny, tiny half of a percent of
what is in this It is page after page of
stuff like this that is completely riveting. The one subject
that you definitely have not written on that. Somebody needs, Jeff,
what is the book? I'm the New York what You're
an East Coast guy, You're like a jest.
Speaker 4 (32:11):
Dude, Where do you go? What do you? How many
volumes is it? You're an author?
Speaker 3 (32:15):
How would you even approach a project like that?
Speaker 5 (32:17):
First?
Speaker 10 (32:17):
I would take this mug and slam it into my
head as hard as possible. Okay, just the futility and
the student I honestly got this year is the word.
I've been a Jeff fan, my whole h only team
I care about. I've been through, obviously the butt fumble.
I've been through Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 5 (32:32):
And the Achilles. I've been through a j.
Speaker 10 (32:33):
Dewey five intercept, three interceptions. I've been through not drafting
Warren Sapp and drafting Kyle Brady. I've been through not
drafting Marino, drafting Ken O'Brien, on and on and on.
This is the worst year I've ever seen in my life.
Speaker 5 (32:46):
Wow, I'm not kidding. I can't even fathom.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
What is it about it? Can you put a finger
on with the record is bad?
Speaker 5 (32:51):
Obviously?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
But is there anything?
Speaker 10 (32:52):
Yeah, there's no hope whatsoever. And they're going to get
the first pick of the draft and there's not even
a marque quarterback today. And make it even worse in
the same city and stadium. Oh, the other team found
a franchisequarterback. It looks like has an exciting young running
back and roll Oh, and this is go on Tupac.
(33:12):
This is when this is when the Patriots are supposed
to be down and the Jets were supposed to be No,
we skipped that one altogether. That was a year like
it's just my numbingly so I don't know what happened
and start writing the book. It's got to be like
six boys. Wait all the things you just said as
the book, I just want to say one thing, I'm
not curious. I'm i'm I think I was five years old.
My brother was seven Mayo pac New York. My brother
(33:33):
at the table says, I'm going to root for the Giants,
and I say, okay, I'm going to root for the Jets.
My brother would not recognize that Eli Manning if he
came up to him and said, I am Eli Manning.
Speaker 5 (33:41):
And that is what has caused me to be a
Jet fan.
Speaker 10 (33:44):
My brother, David Pearlman, has caused me to be a
Jet fan and ruined my life.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Only God can judge the Jets.
Speaker 5 (33:49):
Yeah, he is judging the Jets.
Speaker 9 (33:54):
Joe Fleckough once played for the Jets, now going to
play tonight.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
Let's go were you in You both went to Delaware. Yeah,
I'm older than him. You are older.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
Jeff. Jeffs a blue Hen.
Speaker 5 (34:02):
I am a Della blue Hen. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (34:03):
So in the field to night, your thoughts on Joe
Flacco is still out there slinging it.
Speaker 10 (34:08):
As you get older, I mean, you guys might appreciate
this too, right, You root for the guys who last
because you feel like they're at least kind of sort
of in a way in your age range. Look, but
people don't know about the University of Delaware. We had Flacco,
we have rich Gannon, we had former Giants Scott Runner,
we had former Lion Jeff Kamla, all starting quarterbacks in
the NFL. Yeah, Delaware one of four schools to have
a US president and a Super Bowl winning.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Quarterback and a head coach quarterback. He went there too.
It's a cool thing we're talking about today. So tonight
on Amazon, which.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Is geared towards young people, the two quarterbacks are both
over forty.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
It's Flacco and it's Rogers.
Speaker 10 (34:43):
Does that make you smile or I mean I'm not
a huge Rogers guy, but understood not everyone is.
Speaker 5 (34:49):
Yeah. I love it.
Speaker 10 (34:50):
Yeah, I just think it's great, and I think it's crazy.
I think it's crazy that Joe Flacco is still a
starting quarterback in the NFL, but as a Blue hen.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
Yes, I love it all right.
Speaker 4 (34:58):
So here's what I know about you.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
There's a passing comment that Jeff will make about it.
Speaker 4 (35:01):
I'm not a huge Rogers guy. That is such a low.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
Comment based on years and years of books and relationships
and research, that is not just the throwaway. So to
that point, let's do it. Jeff Proman's the perlative greatest
hits question. All of the books you've written, in all
of these figures that we've mentioned throughout this interview, who
do you think, including Tupac, who do you think is
the most interesting subject you've ever researched and written about.
Speaker 10 (35:22):
I'm not just saying this because the book's coming out.
It's two bok By tell us why, because there was
a guy. I think what people don't understand about Tupac
is he grew up an absolutely abject poverty, Baltimore row
house rats, running up and down the base sports Marin City.
His mom is addicted to crack and he is basically
kicked out of the house and living with friends. Poverty, poverty, trauma, trauma,
(35:44):
trauma across the board.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
Had his first sexual experience at fourteen.
Speaker 10 (35:48):
Years old with a cousin, his second and fifteen with
a friend of his mother. Like everything about his life
was traumatic. And people look at him and they see
thug life and they see.
Speaker 5 (35:58):
I get around.
Speaker 10 (35:59):
But what he overcame is unlike anything anything I've ever written.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
About, and you've written about it at all.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
I've written about many people.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
Let me follow that your books are loaded with details, anecdotes, stories,
I mean some of the things now, A lot of
the things in the Cowboys documentary we first learned about
in your book About the Cowboys years ago.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
I'm sure that's fun for you. What is not I got?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
What is the single most interesting little tidbit story or
anecdote that you have ever are craziest and ticketing where
you want?
Speaker 5 (36:29):
Jeff, you know what I'm looking for, all right, I'm
going to go actually USFL.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
And Jeff loves the FSFL wrote whole bok about. It's
incredibly thorough.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
You bring Football League nites.
Speaker 10 (36:37):
Yes, I just what was the story? I was thinking
about this? You gave me a heads up on this one. Yeah, okay.
They had the San Antonio gun Slingers or this dysfunctional franchise.
Speaker 5 (36:47):
You need to look up.
Speaker 10 (36:48):
Their helmets are like Woody from Toy Story. Yeah, and
they signed a defensive lineman named Greg Fields.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
And Greg Fields was a kid out.
Speaker 10 (36:54):
Of Grambling played with the Colts for a brief period
of time, was about to be cut by the Atlanta Falcons.
Would not leave the hotel room. They had to bring
a police officer to get him to leave. After he
was cut.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Here refuse leave.
Speaker 10 (37:04):
He joins the gun Slingers, and the owner of the
gun Slinger stops paying players. He just stops paying Greg Fields,
and Greg told me the story. Follows him home to
his mansion in Texas, pulls a baseball bat and out
of his trunk of his car. Clinton Mangus sees in
the owner and says, Greg, what are you doing here?
He's like, I'm here to get paid. Manga says, wait
(37:27):
here one second, goes into the house, comes back out
with a paper bag stuff with I think it was
eighteen thousand dollars and he says, are we good? And
Fields goes, we're good, and you guys.
Speaker 4 (37:38):
Off, He'll come at baseball batpoint.
Speaker 5 (37:41):
It was a very Tuo poc moment for Greg Field.
Speaker 3 (37:42):
You know what it all seems to come back, guys.
Only God can judge me. Jeff, tell them quickly to
where they can get it and how and all that
great stuff.
Speaker 10 (37:50):
Oh online everywhere and it comes out of Fish twenty first.
Speaker 3 (37:53):
October twenty first is five days.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
Get this book. You will absolutely love it. I think
the absolute best in the game. Jeff prom and only
God can judge me. Go get it, guys.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
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