July 19, 2025 • 45 mins
The Saturday Edition of the Good Morning Football Podcast begins with Super Bowl Champion Ndamukong Suh talking about his career and what comes next after retiring. LB Von Miller signs with the Commanders. Has the Super Bowl drive started in DC? Plus, the Steelers sign LB TJ Watt to a huge extension. Is just getting to the playoffs now enough for Pittsburgh?
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good Mom, Mom.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
This is really cool. It's a household NFL name.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
He is a five time port bowler, three time first
team All Pro. He's also a Super Bowl champion, and
recently he decided to hang up the cleats and we've
got him. We've watched him. We can't wait to talk
to him. Please welcome and dominicansue.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
What's up thing?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah, we start with this kind of melancholy news that
you have announced your retirement.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
How do you feel? Does it feel final? Where's your
head right now? Man?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
He was good.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
I mean, I've had opportunities over the last couple of
years to go back, but a lot of it it's been
in and around with my dad, which I shared on
social media as him master Hire, but then also my
mother as well, who's a big part of my life.
But then more importantly my beautiful wife Katya and my boys.
Not wanting to be away from those twin boys and
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spending time with them. So it was trying to pay
how much to my dad it was his year when
your anniversary is passing, which was a tough, tough encounterment
to deal with, especially over the last five years and
what he's been handling. But he's in a better place,
so I'm happy.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
And we're happy for you the fact that you have
arrived at such a safe and healthy place with it.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Adam M.
Speaker 7 (01:38):
Kinney.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
One of my favorite things about you in meeting you
over the years in our production meetings is what you
just spoke on. You're such a thoughtful person, very different
than what we see on the field sometimes in terms
of your emotion.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
But when you listen to you.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Speak about the game and specifically your relationship with your
father when you played, what do.
Speaker 7 (01:55):
You remember most about him?
Speaker 6 (01:56):
What are some of those things that are your favorite
points of your father's relationship with football and how you
guys connected on the field before you pass.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I mean, I'm getting hills right now thinking back to it.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
But just the big thing that you would always do,
especially before games, was telling me to pray, go out
there and have fun.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
And it was really just one of those pieces of like.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
You're playing for our last name, so just go make
as proud as you are already to do. So it was
always a confident him being behind me, and especially my
mom as well, even though I didn't grow up in
a household with both my parents, they were both there
at all times no matter what we needed as kids.
Speaker 8 (02:31):
Well, I know Bro that he'll be super proud because
all of your accomplishments.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
KB kind of mentioned it in the beginning of this interview.
Speaker 8 (02:37):
Your five time Pro Bowler, three time first Team All Pro,
defensive rookie player of.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
The Year, super Bowl champion, and that's just your NFL career.
Speaker 8 (02:45):
But of all of your accomplishments, when you look back
at it, is there one accomplishment that you hope that
people know you.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
For from a lifetime If I'm understanding correct your question correctly.
From a lifetime perspective, I mean I want to be
more known officield than I was on And I've had
a lot of success on the football field throughout the
decades of being in college and especially in the CROs
in the Super Bowl, but ultimately every wanted to be
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coined as just an athlete. So ultimately gave in the
way for a lot of different people and showing them
that there's multi dimensional and I can sit in boardrooms,
I can sit in.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
High level meetings, be able to help companies.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Grow, which I've done over the decades, even while I
was playing so ultimately, like I said, being more sets
fault to field than I was on.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
You know in Doominkin very early in your career, that
was obvious, that was a priority. And I know that
so many people who follow you know that Domicin has
so many different notes to him and so many different
interests is in. I do think it's interesting to go
back to the young Raw and Dominic and Sioux coming
out of Nebraska. You came into the league and you
were looked at as an avenger or a wrestling heel
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for some people, even the word villain because of the
way you played. What's it like for you to hear
that and look back to like twenty ten and dollars, I.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Love it, to be honest with you, because that means
I was doing my job. I was pissing off into
golf and if you like me as a defensive player,
that means I.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Wasn't doing my job.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
And I think from everybody that mentored me, especially from
a Russell Maryland who I just was exchanged invested with
siting message with the other day, like paying homage to
those guys and being able to say, like I'm continuing
that blue collar football that you guys ingrained in us
and paved the way for us, and now I want
to just take it to a different level, which I
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think I did in a lot of ways, and trying
to change the game and change the game. But I
know there's always been the piece of people having biases
of me being dirty in these different things. But ultimately, again,
I don't want you to like me if I'm doing
my job.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
See, I think that's something really important in the league.
I speak as a fan. I love that factor of
the guy who sees the line and walks it or
maybe goes over it. To that Noteed Dominican, when you
look back now at your career, is there anything on
the field that you regret?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
No, there's nothing I regret.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
And the reason why I can say that is because ultimately,
if I'm regretting that, I'm second guessing my decision, second
getting my job and what I want to do. My
focus is and ultimately it's about being successful and finding
ways to win. I think any teammate that I've had
would echo this and that they'd loved me being in us,
working together and finding ways to win, setting records, whether
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it was in Detroit and twenty fourteen best run defense.
We should have been the best defense in the league,
but we set records there. And then also the same
thing going to Miami, changing that culture and getting them
to a winning perspective and then obviously transitioning getting into
super Bowls and I think three of the last five
years and one of the reasons why Philly I was
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able to join that team and we came up one
game short or really one half short to the great Mahomes.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
And Dominican you just mentioned it.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
You touched a lot of organizations and packed to them
the best way that you possibly can. But it all
started for you, at least with the NFL jerseys and
the helmets back in twenty ten at a Radio City.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Musical event called the NFL Draft. Let's take a look
at where it all started for you.
Speaker 9 (06:18):
The second pick in the twenty ten NFL Draft, the
Detroit Lions select and Dominican Sue do you better tackle Nebraska.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
That's your original Lions hypeman right there in the crowd,
thrilled to your Sue's name, called second overall to the
Detroit Lions back in twenty ten. What do you remember
about that time and that night in Dominican It was.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
An interesting night in day, especially because the Tampa Bay
Buccaneers had promised me that they were going to come
up and get me at the number two spot. They
had like twelve picks and they were going to throw
them all that Detroit. But I remember gunthrow Cunningham or
the lake under Cunningham says like, there's no way I
was letting you pass. You're a blue Chipper in my mind.
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And they were going to take Sam Bradford at number one,
which pissed me off, which made me go after him
as much as possible and trying to ruin his career.
But ultimately, I mean, it was one of the greatest
blessings of my career to be able to be drafted
at such a high pick and then obviously setting an
opportunity up for me and my family, but going to Detroit,
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in a great city that I still love to this day,
to be able to help them turn around in such
a blue collar city as well.
Speaker 10 (07:31):
Well, Man, you've played a lot of ball, obviously, from
the draft all the way till now.
Speaker 11 (07:36):
Three Super Bowls.
Speaker 10 (07:36):
He played in Super Bowl fifty three with the Rams,
fifty seven with the Eagles, and of course he won
Super Bowl fifty five with the Buccaneers.
Speaker 11 (07:44):
Bring us back to those Super Bowls. You know, what
are the moments that you remember the most?
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Probably the two that stick to my head the most
was the fifth Superowl fifty three with La sitting losing
that game to Tom Brady. I think we had an
amazing one perfour minutes. I think our offense strong good.
I've for the lowest scoring super Bowl games ever. And honestly,
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I didn't sleep that night after that game, and I
cried and I couldn't understand, like, what did we do wrong?
What did I do wrong? Why we couldn't have won
that game? And so that feeled my fire to get
back to the Super Bowl. And then when I got
to fit Super Bowl fifty five, probably one of the
best moments outside of winning that game and kissing my
wife's stomach after winning, was messages from Jumpman itself and
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Michael Jordan the night before in the morning of and
then also Phil Night and came, I mean you've done
our city to city proud in Portland, because obviously Phil
started Night Morgan and Jumpman saying.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Man, go be a champion. This is why I brought
you to the brand. This is why I wanted to.
I've been trying to get you for years but blocking me.
So go get one for the team. That's what I
went did and help my team.
Speaker 8 (08:56):
Wanted to donal Ken you talked about, I'm Tom Brady
and you've had seventy sacks throughout your career, and that's
a lot of different quarterbacks. As a defender, I know
what it feels like to have that one that you
want to get. Is there a quarterback that you've always
wanted to get out of those seventy sacks.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Yeah, Aaron Rodgers, I'll see you guys up for that one.
He's assure to hit. But I think the probably the
most prideful one was Brett Favre. I know was later
on in his career going against him against the Jets
and also the Vikings, but Brett Fabers are great, so
being able to and go against him was one of
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the absolute pleasures.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
You know, and domic and you've mentioned history a lot
and the people who came before you. When you were
a little kid, there was this great dynamic between Brett
Favre and Warren Sapp where they would get in each
other's faces and they would talk noise.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And they just love going at it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You developed a routine and a reputation for going at
it with Rogers. He would go at you, you'd go
at him. When you look back on your career as
a fan, it's impossible not to remember Rogers. Reflect on
those competitions, reflect on those conversations because a lot of
stuff happened between the two of you.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Yeah, I think my reflection of those is just pure
a competition and competing to be one of the best.
I have ultimate respect for Aaron Rodgers and what he's
been able to do as an individual. I wish him
the best, especially with him being with the Steelers. I
hope him and my boy Slay find a way to
get to a Super Bowl and hopefully win it this year.
(10:27):
From that perspective and being a fan, I'm looking forward
to being able to go and watch them, hopefully live.
I think with my Sky Sports gig and commentating, I
think they're on my schedule. So hopefully me and Eric
can have a conversation because I know he's reached out before,
but we just haven't had an opportunity. And I think
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one thing I would wish for him is to get
to know me, especially off the field versus on the field.
Speaker 10 (10:53):
Man, you were always somebody I really looked up to
throughout my career.
Speaker 11 (10:57):
I remember I've had times that my mom would text
and be like, you know, have you got a.
Speaker 10 (11:01):
Chance to talk to demacom Like, you know, we're both
camera guys, and I got my I got my flag shorts.
Speaker 11 (11:07):
Here, man, I represent now too. Was coming on. Man,
I was super excited to talk to you.
Speaker 10 (11:12):
I was scared to talk to you about it, so
my mom hesed to teest me those things.
Speaker 11 (11:15):
But you know, we're both Camerillon. You know what about
our culture, Like what is it instilled to you? What
does it mean to you being Camerion.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
I mean, I'll just go back a little bit of
when I got drafted, so I'll never forget when I
was sitting there in that draft room and getting wanting
CNN or CNN wanting to speak to me to relay
my interview back to the Cameriunion people. That was, I
mean amazing understanding, Like my how prideful my dad is
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being considered, especially in the northwest of Cameron a little
bit of royalty from that perspective, Like I have a
whole country behind.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Me and villages and all these people that are looking
up to me.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
So ultimately, it's representing that not only that flag that
you just put up, but the people within that and
my many many siblings and family members that are back
there as well well.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
And Donikan, you might have a lot of countries watching you.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
On Sunday, September twenty eighth, you just mentioned you have.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
A gig with Sky Sports.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Can you just share with people what that role is
and what you're implying here is that does that crew
that you work with for Sky Sports? Will they be
in Dublin, Ireland for the Viking Steelers game, a game
in which Aaron Rodgers would be at, and therefore, are
we going to have this on field camera handshake with
all the cameras around.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
How's that going to go for you?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Well, see, that's a tentative plan right now. We're in
conversation with my boss to potentially get over there. Sky
Sports has been great. I've been there over the last
two years and primarily in October, in January, and then
this most recent just did the Super Bowl for them.
It's been a blast, ton of fun being able to
work with Neil Reynolds. But ultimately, I think there's a
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lot of exciting things to be able to grow and
be able to do that and really stay close to
the game, which I'm excited. So Aaron z Opatuni has
I want them to stay focused for winning for his team.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
We're definitely now.
Speaker 10 (13:08):
I'm coming got We got a lot of time to
sit down and speak at the social media and branding
workshop out in la I was so happy I got
a chance to really sit down and talk with you,
and some of the things that you told me, Man,
I think are great for young players in the league
to hear just about your mindset and.
Speaker 11 (13:24):
Really off the field how you were, whether.
Speaker 10 (13:27):
It's getting meetings with the owners, whether it's getting to
know the decision makers and the cities and the teams
that you played in. Who instilled that in your mindset
to do those things and what would you recommend the players,
young guys who were in the position that you were
in cornerstones of a team, and how they can start
to cultivate those relationships with people in their cities.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah. I mean a lot of people don't know this,
but I made a lot.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Of my decisions in free agency in and around not
only being able to win football games, but also to
learn off the football field.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
And one of the reasons.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Why I went to LA was to be able to
be close to the Karky family and be able to
learn for all the great things that they've been doing.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
I mean, you look at them as an organization. I
think recently came out.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
That they with all their sports teams that they own,
they're one of the most successful and the highest valued
at this particular point in time. Same thing with Steven
Ross and the ability to learn from him, especially from
a real estate perspective, with related and all the different
things that they're doing, and really just from the social
aspect of being able to have with your own voice.
And I think that's one of the reasons why I
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created No Free Lunch with The New York Times in
the Athletic to be able to continue to have that unbiased,
unfiltered voice, but also to have real conversations, talk about
real strategies, whether it's tax all the different things that
come into to that side of the world. But then
also providing education that I was greatly given from Warren Buffett,
who's a close mentor of mine. Joe Moglia who's a
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chairman or former chairman chairman of Team tdm Ror Trade
and Jay Brown with Marshy Venture Partners and a founder
of rock Nation. Being able to stay connected to those guys,
learn from them, be at their hips, but also be
able to share that knowledge that I've been able to
get over the fit last fift years from then for
me to be successful to not only be able to
pass that on to other folks and whatnot. So I mean,
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that's that's really my big thing of being able to
leverage all the resources in the platform that I have
been afforded by having a successful career in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
You see it right there. NFL stands for no free lunch.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
That is in Dominican's pod and Domakin, this is absolutely perfect, insightful, thoughtful,
and it's always how you've carried yourself in the media.
Congratulations on your retirement. If this is it, We're so
glad you came by and talked to us. You are
a Warren sap met It's Warren Buffett. It's pretty incredible.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Thank you, Matt.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I appreciate it as a pleasure to talk. Hopefully see
you guys again soon.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Good mo football some news that emerged overnight from our guy,
NFL insider Tom Pelasero. He's reported that eight time Pro
Bowl Von Miller is signing.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
With the contending Commanders.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
They had been talked about that Miller, in his epic
past rushing era, was going to seek out a team
that was in need of a guy like that coming
off a defensive line. Now Miller is a Super Bowl
champion with the Broncos and the Rams. Through his first
shout out to the Hogs by saying what's good? And
that's a photoshopped image of Von Miller playing in a
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Washington Commandager. That's what it would look like everybody. So,
Rashan you, I assume no von Miller. You played adjacent
to him in your time in the NFL. What do
you make of his choice to go to Washington and
the Commanders picking.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Him up on defense.
Speaker 12 (16:43):
I think it's a smart move for him. I think
it's smart move for the Commanders. I mean, they were
the oldest team in the NFL last year.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
In in addition to a Von Miller to the.
Speaker 12 (16:53):
Defense, they stay the oldest team in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
So I think what.
Speaker 12 (16:57):
They're doing is putting their their counting on their defense
and relying on their offense, and especially and now Jaden Daniels.
And how I look at it is this, when I
order something from Amazon, I kind of I don't rely
on it to show up. If it says it's gonna
be there Friday evening, I count on it to show up.
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And so what I'm counting on is the commanders now
is I'm counting on the defense to actually carry us.
And then that allows me to rely on my office. Now,
when you rely on something, you're depending it with full trust. Now,
there was a dating phase with Jada Daniels first year.
Now they're getting into a marriage. And to trust somebody,
you don't need to trust somebody with your money.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
If you don't give them your credit card.
Speaker 12 (17:38):
You don't need to trust somebody with your food unless
you give them the utensils. And you don't need to
trust anybody with your heart until you give it to them.
So what do they do now? They've given Jaden Daniels
the true keys to the ship. So I think it's
good for the commanders to pick up Avon Miller.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
He's a stout player for sure.
Speaker 8 (17:58):
I like it too, Rushat And you said, counting on
this counting on that. I think a lot of people
may assume that when you have somebody like von Miller
come in, you're counting on him to be the old
von Miller. He's not gonna be the old von Miller, guys,
and talking about the word counting, he's gonna be on
a snap count. He's gonna be a situational player. He's
going to be somebody. If you look at dan Quinn
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and that defense, last year, they blitzed more in dan
Quinn's career.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Than he's used to blitzing.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
He doesn't want to blitz on third downs, guys, he
doesn't want to blitz on first and second. But last
year he had to bring some pressure and the only
way that he could do it is by sending up blitz.
Now you have somebody like von Miller. He's not gonna
play on first down. He's probably not gonna play on
second down, But you bet on third down when dan
Quinn wants to drop coverage and drop zone that you're
gonna see. I guess the number twenty four, he said, Jamie,
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You're gonna see whatever number von Miller is playing, you're
going to see him coming off the edge. Now, this
reminds me a lot when we signed Dwight Freene when
I was with the San Diego Chargers, we signed Dwight Freeney,
and he was after he spent eleven years in Indianapolis.
We didn't sign Dwight Freeney to play first, second, and
third down situational awareness, and I think it's a great
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fit for somebody like von Miller, who at this point
in time, I think he's ring chasing you. You accomplish
everything you wanted to accomplish in this game by being
a player. Now go get as many Super Bowls as
you can. And so I like this matchup, this matching
with the Commanders on von Miller.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
This is a really meaningful signing for me.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
The message really clear to me is the Commanders are
trying to win the Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
This year, let's get it done.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Now that you don't bring in von Miller to be
a building block or a piece.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
To the future.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
This is a very specific player and phase of his career.
The Rams did the same thing with von Miller, it worked.
The Bills tried the same thing with von Miller, it
didn't work. And dwy Freedey's a perfect example. It wasn't
just the Chargers that sign him. Man side, this is
a Hall of Famer. In the last four years of
his career was on four separate teams, each one of.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Them trying to get him in.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It's like a basketball equivalent of like, just come off
the bench and hit a couple threes.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
That's all we want you to do. We don't need
you to build defense around anything like that.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
They're bringing him so when they play Philadelphia in the playoffs,
Von Miller gets a sack against Jalen Hurts and that
would be worth the entire signing. And I think they're
saying right now, we brought in a new tackle, We're
bringing in a new pass rusher.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
We're gonna figure out our wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Somehow, but let's do it now with the cheap quarterback.
And don't laugh about the Commanders winning the Super Bowl
this year.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Joe Burrow was in the Super Bowl in his second year.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Patrick Mahomes won the Super Bowl in his second year
as a starter.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
This is the new normal, cash in now.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
There's no like well, Jaden will continue to evolve and
will finally No, it's a now league. Now, you don't
need to sign Von Miller. You'll probably be a perfectly
fine defense without him. But it's that one thing where
in the divisional round or the title game he hits
a corner three and you haven't heard from him in
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two and a half months. But he's been on the roster.
Von's been in big games and sacked Hall of Fame quarterbacks.
I think it says the message is very clear. We
want every single little piece. We want to win the
Super Bowl this year, and we're bringing in a guy
who was trying to do it with his third team.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
Well, I like that, KB, and I'm going to make
a basketball reference to his comments. You bring in somebody
like Ray Allen to the Boston Celtics and he's later
in his career and then he hits a game winning,
championship winning three pointer when you really need him.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
That's the type of signing this is, in my opinion,
with Von Miller.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
Now, we talk about Duo's earlier in the week, and
we talked about the connection between a wide receiver and
his quarterback and why the nonverbals in that situation are
come and play for the offense defensively. That version is this,
we have a connection and an understanding where I don't.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Have to worry about that side of the field.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
The royal revis was that for the Jets, I don't
got to worry about wherever he's at. For Bobby Wagner
in the middle, Now I don't have to worry about
where von Miller's at. I don't have to worry about
Jalen Hurt scrambling to that side. I can just worry
about what's opposite of him. So this eliminates a whole
bunch of problems that could arise for.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
The Commander's defense. Now that you have somebody like von.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Miller aka Ray Allen shooting on one side of the
one side of the field.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
God, I just literally went into a deep dive in
my brain of like the really good Celtics team circle
like twenty eight to fourteen, with like now on the team,
Like who's the Kevin Garnett, Who's It's just you just
rattled my brain and that Ray Allen from the corner.
It was perfect, man SI. The Commanders, as we all know,
split the regular season series with the division winning NAY
Super Bowl champion Eagles.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
They lost in the NFC title.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Games with the Birds, obviously, who went on to win
Super Bowl fifty nine. Okay, so now they've quote unquote
bolstered their pass rush, if you will, if we're all
truly acknowledging that maybe it'll come mostly on third down.
And when he comes out, he's supposed to don'tk on everybody.
And that's von Miller Rashan. I'll ask you, look at
the Commanders, what is the difference maker? What is going
to have to be the secret sauce for the Commanders
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to usurp the Philadelphia Eagles and win this tough division.
Speaker 12 (23:00):
Well, already history is kind of playing in their favor.
As we know in the NFC East, there has not
been any team that's consecutively won the division outside of
twenty years now, and that was Philadelphia Eagles. So it's
back and forth. This is a tough division. I think
right now they're going to have to lean heavily on
their run game, controlling the clock. You got a veteran team,
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which we know, you have more experience, you're savvier, but
a little bit longer in the toof you can get tired.
There's a long season. You got to keep everybody healthy. Conservative,
but they are a physical, heavy handed team. I'm saying
right now especially when we bring over Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
What is he right?
Speaker 12 (23:39):
He's a specimen of a player that is a running back,
slash receiver, slash utility player. You know, he's like a
larger Percy Harvin.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
He could do it all.
Speaker 12 (23:49):
And so when you think about this kind of team
and how they built to play, and I know they're
gonna pay Scary Terry at some point, you believe that.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I believe that you can't.
Speaker 12 (23:56):
There's no way we can be talking about the Commanders
in chasing a chip without bringing Inary.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
It's going to happen. Iijah, it's the step.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Of what I say, yesterday were shot. That's what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
What number one you just said, you got to you
gotta sign Scary Terry. And the reason why is because
if you watch the NFC Championship, you saw how the
Eagles were able to take away Scary Terry. You can't
depend on one wide receiver out there if you're the Commanders,
because you had to resort to zach Ertz a lot
in the NFC Championship. So you need to have Deebo Samuel,
zach Ertz and Scary Terry out there to even get
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a chance go to the playoffs and win this division. Now,
when I look at what they need to do, Number one,
Jayden can't have a sophomore slump.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
That's number one. Like, you have to be able to.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
Figure out how am I going to how am I
going to structure this offense so that he continues and
builds off of a strong rookie campaign.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Jaden Daniels has to be electric.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
Number Two, you have to be able to keep those
athletic quarterbacks that you have in your division in the pocket.
That's why they're signing A von Miller is so important
and it's crucial for their success this year because you
have a guy now that can keep these guys in
the pocket without sending a blitz or possibly keeping Bobby
Wagner Frankly Louvu in the middle to spy these guys.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
You get let von Miller do his thing.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
And number three, it's the same kryptonite as all teams,
stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Like if you even want a chance, you have to
have all your pieces out there. You have to stay healthy.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
So with those three things, Kyle, I think they have
a pretty good chance of being a contender in NFC East.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, they just listen.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
They got to slay the Egles somehow, somehow, and there's
a really interesting schedule quirk. And for the level of God,
please don't bring up the schedule, you know, I can't
stand that. But in the last three weeks of the
Commander's schedule versus Philadelphia, versus Dallas at Philadelphia. So we're
not going to have our answer to this question in
a long time. It's one of these things where the
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Commanders and Eagles don't play until almost Christmas for the
first time, and then they play twice in three weeks,
and then who knows if we get a third time
in four or five weeks. It's all there's worlds are
going to change by the time we see Eagles command
But honestly, like they have to do something about the
toush push. The Commanders are like exhibit A of the
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effectiveness of that plate.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Frankie Lulu is still jumping over the line.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
He's still there standing in an empty stadium, jumping over
the line, trying to stop this thing. There's a lot
of things I'm looking forward to in the twenty twenty
five season. I don't know if illing Ford anything as
much as the first time the Eagles try to run
the toush push against the Commanders because that maniac. I
don't know what he's capable of, but he's gonna bet
his life to try to stop this thing, and he won't.
They dropped fifty five points on him.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Guys. It was a shallacking.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
It was a terrible end to a wonderful Commander's season.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And that's fine.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
But a lot, a lot has to change, and a
lot will change. This isn't one of those Jamie, Like
it's like, hey, right out of the gate, it's week
two Eagles command No no, no, no, no, Like this game is
six months from now. It is so so you know,
we got those countdowns now forty three days still kickoff
or whatever, like it's like four hundred days until Commander's Eagles.
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And I only say that because there will be injurious
there will be transactions, there'll be the ups and down.
I don't even know who these teams are going to be.
Then it makes it all the more mysterious.
Speaker 12 (27:12):
Yeah, and with that you said they do meet late.
But first out of the gate, the game one, we
got Dallas Cowboys Philadelphia Eagles Week one.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
You have Giants Commanders Week one.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
So we're gonna have no things.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
We're gonna know a.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Little bit of something, yeah, right out the gate. But
like you said, it's not a promise. It's not a promise.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Therey noe to Lean. It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 12 (27:31):
Kyle.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
What you're implying is that the figuring out for the
commanders of the Tush Push is going to be a
stocking stuffer. In terms of that being week sixteen and eighteen,
that is the responsibility of Dan Quinn and Joe wit Junior.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
But Kyle, I want to see you up quickly.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Someone has been on my mind as it pertained to
the commanders, and that is Cliff Kingsbury and the fact
that what he did in this role in can you
just give us a brief history lesson on the experience
that we watch Cliff Kingsbury go through in the NFL
away from the NFL, and what he has done with
this rookie soon to be second year quarterback, I believe
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is truly something magical and it speaks to what he
can do with the capability of an offense.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Well, listen, I like Cliff my knock on Cliffs always
he doesn't do a ton of winning. You know, he's
this coach who's looking at his very smart and all
schematically brilliant and he loves quarterbacks and he's a cool dude.
But like, whether it be in college or whether it
be is the Arizona Cardinals head coach, there aren't the
real net results.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
It's just and at some point it has to be
about that. So he takes a step back. He goes
from being a head coach and getting.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Kyler to the playoffs and all that too, like, just
give me the reins and I'm going to go behind
a real truly grizzled head coach and Dan Quinn and
I'm just gonna do the whiz kid thing and give
me Jaden and I'll run the offense and I'll do this.
It was a brilliant, brilliant year for him, really really
was like it was it may be the best year
of his career at any position, in any job he's had,
and he's had a lot. And now it's just like,
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what do you do for the follow up? And I
know that if we talk sophomore slump, this sophmore slump
that I don't know, I almost want to call it
taboo on our show for that, And Matti said it earlier,
and I said it now.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
It's not only is it like a stock.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Wrote phrase, that's also just so negative. So if you
guys are down with it, I am up for a
full taboo designation on the term sophomore slump because I
don't want to see it and I don't want.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
To say it perfect.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
We'll put it on the list.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
It's officially xnade from commentary unless you're mocking it.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
We love that, Kyle.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
The way you just explained it, I think you could
have taken Ben Johnson's name and applied that parallel to it.
This whiz kid offensive brilliance. But hopefully he's gonna ruin
and shred that narrative about becoming a head coach and
hopefully he gets some wins under his belt for the
Chicago Bears.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
However, the Lions are hoping that doesn't happen. The NFC
is spicy this year. People, Let's go good football.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
We gotta get going on this TJ wat thing because
he got paid and somehow this is already a segment
we did on television at one point in his career,
but here we are talking about it again. The Steelers
star Edge Rusher received a record breaking three year, one
hundred and twenty three million dollar extension.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Ian Rappaporre reported this will.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Make TJ Watt again the highest paid defender in the NFL.
TJ posted this photo of himself on Instagram after the
news broke. We two might need advisor oh Man to
block out and make sure.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
We stay focused on what the Steelers got going on.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
This season, once again on a non quarterback list. Highest
paid player in NFL history, Mantik, when you saw this
come down the Steelers, we have been talking all about
them up and down, left and right, but this was
kind of that odd thing that we didn't want to address. Well,
the team did and now TJ. Watt's there for many years.
It'll be much richer because of it.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
What do you think, Well, first of all, congratulations TJ.
I mean well deserved. His brother JJ Watt posted and
then put on X whatever. It is a well deserved
earned All that at is correct, and I am one
guy that really wants players to get paid. Now, there
has to come a time if you're a player in
this league, we have to make one of two decisions.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Number one, I'm.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Either going to make a lot of money or number two,
I'm gonna win a lot of Super Bowls because it's very,
very rare that those two things happened at the same time.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
If you think about all the players that had.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
These big contracts, very rarely do they get to the
playoffs the next year.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Very rarely do they even get to the super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
How many times have you heard about players quarterbacks, to
be specific, pay to Manning in twenty fifteen, he took
a four million dollar pay cut to stay in Denver.
They took that money and invested it in their defense
that practically won them the Super Bowl. Yeah, Tom Brady,
how many times have we heard Tom Brady restructure his deal?
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In twenty seventeen, he restructured his deal only to win
three Super Bowls in seven years. Like, there's just there's
a trade off here, right. So I'm all for guys
getting paid, But there has to come a time in
our career chase that we look at things and say,
you know, what do I really want? Do I really
want a lot of money? Do I want more money?
Or do I want more Super Bowls? And I think
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in this case it's well deserved. But for the Pittsburgh Steelers,
because so much money is going to a certain guy,
it's hard to invest in other pieces to help you
get further in the playoff race than you've already had
already gone in the past few years.
Speaker 13 (32:23):
Chase Man Dottter, you hit it run in the head
right there, man, And I feel like the Pittsburgh Steelers,
they really had no choice to pay to pay TJ.
Speaker 11 (32:31):
Watt.
Speaker 13 (32:31):
We know exactly what he brings to the Steelers team.
Before I even address the TJ. Watt contract, first of all,
congratulations to him. I actually want to change it to
the direction of his parents, Miss Connie and mister John Watt.
Speaker 14 (32:45):
Those parents, and speaking.
Speaker 13 (32:46):
Of parents, shout out to my mom sixty seven years
old today, Happy birthday, Mama Toadter.
Speaker 14 (32:50):
I give her a shout out, and she killed me
on air, so.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I had to do that.
Speaker 14 (32:53):
But I really want to.
Speaker 13 (32:54):
Know what is the parent program or what are y'all
feeding or raising those kids, Miss Conye and mister John Watt,
Because you got JJ Watt getting paid one hundred million,
you got TJ getting paid one hundred million, You got
there making it to the NFL. I plan on having
some children someday. So Miss Kylie and mister John Watt,
please let me know the children raising programs makes please.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Give me that part.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
But when you think about TJ.
Speaker 14 (33:22):
Watt, he's just the epitome of steeling football, right.
Speaker 13 (33:24):
He's mental toughness, the defensive tenacity, going after the football
at all times. And what I love about TJ Wat
even more is that not only with his sacks and
generating pressures. In the last two seasons.
Speaker 14 (33:36):
Twenty twenty three twenty twenty.
Speaker 11 (33:38):
Four, TJ.
Speaker 14 (33:38):
Watt leaves the NFL.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And four stumbles at ten.
Speaker 13 (33:41):
So not only does he get those sacks, he takes
the football away. Turnovers are the number one indicator for
a football team when it comes to wins and losses.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
And you know what I.
Speaker 13 (33:50):
Stat that I saw as well, was that the Pittsburgh
Steelers Fins drafting kJ Watt in twenty seventeen, when he's
not on the field president for a game, they're one
in ten.
Speaker 14 (33:58):
So I feel like they had no choice but to
pay my man his money.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
And listen, there was Watt boys that they're raised Wisconsin strong.
They're from Pelwaukee, Wisconsin. Whatever they feed him, whatever they're
drinking there, that is a Midwestern strong. And I mean,
I can't imagine being the Watt parents and my kid
hits a ground ball up the middle in Little League.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I feel like he's Mickey Mantle.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
These guys, what they have accomplished is an amazing, amazing thing.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I like the way this was done. There's something very
steeler about this. TJ.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Watt did not unfollow the Steelers on social he did
not throw a fit.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
And the media. He did not go on a media tour.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Saying he wants to be traded and he's done with
the Steeler, none of that. It was all done in
silence and with dignity and was very steeler like, which
I really like. Here's the story. Now he got his money.
He's awesome. He's a fantastic player.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I love him. He's going to go to the Hall
of Fame TJ. Watt.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I think he may already be a Hall of Famer,
but I think he will be definitely by the end
of this contract when they go in, when he goes in,
and they'd be really cool if JJ will already be in,
if JJ inducted him. And when they say ladies and gentlemen, TJ. Watt,
what clips are they showing of TJ? And I don't
mean the stripsack. I mean, like, what games is he
playing in? What was the stakes of those games?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Were the stakes?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Because I don't want to see TJ.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Watt going to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Eight or nine years from now and he's having a
strip sack in some Week three game against the Browns
that nobody cares or remembers. What I'm getting at is
he's got the huge money. I would really like to
see TJ. Watt now in some huge games, and he.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Usually is not. TJ. Watt has never won a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Not his fault necessarily, it's just a private product of
that this ara of Steelers football. But I love seeing
the greats do great things on great stages. It's time
for the Steelers to win. They got everything they need
in front of them now. I think they got the
next iteration of their quarterback. They got a new wide receiver,
they got their defensive end, they got their pieces.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I mean, can we win now?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Because I love that he's making all this money and
he should. But even his brother JJ, like he was
on some very flawed Texans team, but also some going
JJ won in the playoffs. He was able to do that,
and it's frustrated him that he ever got to a
super Bowl. But my god, we got to get TJ
a wild card win. It it's beneath him, someone of
his stature and certainly his compensation now, to be this
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many years into his career, going he his nine season
with out of playoff win. I do think this is
a very wise investment. I don't agree with anyone who
says I don't know TJ. This bitch money is my
best footballs behind, and I think that's crazy. We have
an immediate genetic comp He's through eight seasons now. JJ
was having double digit sacks in season twelve for Arizona.
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Don't worry about TJ falling off the table or anything
like that. I just think he's going to be great.
He's obviously paid. It's time for the Steelers to get
him in some huge games when he goes to that
Hall of Fame. I want to see him in the
divisional round or a title game something becoming a Steeler
great because right now we're just not there yet and
it's time for him to win.
Speaker 13 (37:00):
Yeah. K, but you said it completely right man, and
TJ Watt, we all know he's going to get his sacks.
He's going to force his turnovers. He's going to be
the leader on the Steelers defense. I think right now,
the person that he's knocking on the door to solve
those playoff walls problems is Aaron Rodgers, and that's exactly
why they brought Aaron Rodgers in there. So I'm eager
to see really how Aaron Rodgers elevates the Steelers to
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see if they can kind of break these playoff goals.
Speaker 14 (37:22):
They haven't won a playoff game since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 13 (37:24):
And I think he's probably the most exciting quarterback that
they've had since prime Ben ro Roethlisberger. So that's something
I'm definitely eager to see unfold for this football season.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
There's always expectation when it comes to the Steelers, and
as Kyle always talks about that logo and what it
means for the playoffs, but there's expectation, and as we've
watched over the last couple of years, there's not really
panning out on the expectation or living up to it.
Now if you look at this depth chart, it is
just stacked with guys that.
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Are new to town that have won.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
You've got super Bowl champions on this Steelers roster. How
do these guys, the Steelers, the organization, Tomlin, you could
take it whatever direction you want, navigate the way that
this champion ship roster is built because these are highly
paid stars. These are players that have been to the
biggest stages. When there is so much pressure on this coach,
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this organization, this brand.
Speaker 8 (38:15):
Well, now it comes to cohesion, though, Jamie, you know,
I mean you could talk about the Jets last year.
Aaron Rodgers was with the Jets and had Vante Adams
and you had Garrett Wilson like you had dogs over there,
you know. So it's the cohesion. You could have the
best pieces, but unless they come together, it's not going
to come to fruition.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
You're not going to.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
Get to Kb's point, to those big games. It's going
to come down to how fast can we come together
as one? I know they're individuals, but how fast can
we come together as one? If you look at this
team and how they're built, what's their identity going into
this season? Just look at what they did in the offseason. Offensively,
you sign Dk Metcalf and Aaron Rodgers strong, strong impressions,
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but then defensively you go and you sign Jalen Ramsey,
and Darius Slay, which feels a much needed hole, a
hole that pretty much was the only weakness of that defense.
Last year, the defense really struggled, and that was because
of the youth of that defensive back room. Now you
have two veterans in there that have one to your point, Jamie,
But then you look at the draft, they have seven
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draft picks, five out of the seven defense. So they're
going back to what made that franchise what it is,
the steel Curtain. That's a defensive team that's not an offensive.
The only time the Steelers really relied on their offense
was when the Killer Beaes was over there, Ben Roethlisberger,
a B and Levey on Bell. Other than that, the
Steelers are a defensive team and I think they're going
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back to what they were and hopefully that results in
a lot of the wins that they had in the past.
And so Chase, that's what I'm really looking forward to
when you have all of these pieces come together as one.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, I think they're running against Chase if I can
get in here. I'm sorry, Chase, I jumped the line completely.
I'm like high on bagels and right now I can't
even read the thing. You know what, Chase, you go
to your thoughts, I'm going to go to another everything,
because that's what we're doing this segment.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Everything go ahead, Chase.
Speaker 14 (40:04):
Akb I'm just grateful to be blessed by your president.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
If you want to take it.
Speaker 14 (40:07):
You jumped the line, brother, But man, that's really a
good point.
Speaker 13 (40:11):
And I think what the Pittsburogh Steelers really did, what
their focus was was we all know it starts about
winning your division, right, and that's why they added so
much defensive talent. You're going against Joe Burrow, Jamar, Chase T. Higgins,
you got Lamar Jackson and that crazy Baltimore Ravens offense.
So I really think the Pittsburog Steelers tried to hone
in on that defense.
Speaker 11 (40:28):
Again.
Speaker 13 (40:29):
But at the end of the day, when it comes
to the playoffs, man, we know what it is. Who's
going to convert those long third down conversions. Who's going
to stay on in the football field. At the end
of the day, Aaron Rodgers is coming in. And they
brought Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 14 (40:39):
In because you know the nine and eight typical.
Speaker 13 (40:41):
Or ten and seven tough defense winning those games seventeen
to thirteen just isn't going to get it done anymore
when you're talking about winning a playoff game. So I'm
very eager to see exactly how Aaron Rodgers comes in
there and when it's time to get gritty and it's
time to really win those tough games against Joe Burrow,
against Lamar Jackson, against possibly Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes,
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 14 (41:01):
Is going to have to play the form like Aaron
Rodgers usually does.
Speaker 13 (41:03):
And that's what I'm eager to see what the Pittsburgh
steel is coming up this football season.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
On the bottom, we say how do we navigate the roster?
I think the most intriguing part of the roster right
now is the backfield, because remember Najie Harris is gone.
They did not pay him huge money. I don't think
anyone was looking for them to do that. I like Naugy,
but I think that was the right move. So now
you're left with Jalen Warren, who was your number one back.
Nobody likes Jalen Moore, and more than I do. I mean,
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he's never had more than one hundred and fifty carries
in a season. He's always been this guy who comes
in and as a change of pace and just dominates.
That's the guy that lines up behind Aaron Rodgers. I
don't know what kind of running back of Malcolm is
going to be behind him. It's interesting to find out. But
I know this, I don't think that there is a
team in the NFL who needs a playoff win this
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season more than the Steelers. I mean, I can point
to some other ones that the Dolphins need one for sure.
There's some other teams around the league that just like
it's time. But I cards on the table at the
end of last season. I was on this network in
many other places saying I thought the Steeler should have
made a change that head come coach. And I completely
understand the respect for Mike Tomlin, but it's just starting
to feel to me like an Andy Reid in Philadelphia thing.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
There's nothing wrong.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
With the Eagles and any redis needed to separate, and
it worked out the best for both of them.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
They both landed on new things.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
And new coaches, and eventually both of them had Super
Bowl championships. It's just I still feel like maybe the
message is gone now Tomlin. Since I've said that and
since the last six months, pulls a rabbit out of
the hat and now has Aaron Rodgers as his quarterback.
But listen, it's the elephant in the room. You mentioned it.
It's ten and seven, nine and eight and losing the wildcard.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
That is the joke about the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
And that's also just the truth about the Steelers, that
there's a fraternity of teams in this league, a very
small one where just getting to the playoffs is not enough.
A lot of these teams, guys, we talk about getting
to the wildcard. Awesome, everybody keeps their jobs, nobody has
to move sweet we.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Oft in the playoffs and who gives a damn.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
But there's that small group of teams that that's not enough.
And the Steelers are not only in that group. The
Steelers invented that group. They're the president of that group.
And yet you know, I see the other teams in
that group, be it the Green Bay Packers or now
the Kansas City Chiefs, so like they find a way
to win over the last few years, the Steelers just don't.
So there's a long top. I'm going to talk about
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it all offseason.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
TJ. Whte is going to be there.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I never thought for one second he was going up
on another team, He's going to be there.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
I just the difference is going to.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Come down to Rogers and can Tomlin finally get this
team to win in the postseason, because if they don't,
it's just I hate to say it about a team
I respect so much, but it is same old Steelers.
Speaker 6 (43:38):
It's an important thing to level set really in mid July,
because if you look at local Steelers coverage, especially if
things aren't going perfectly at the end of September early
October oftentimes, that's where those conversations will begin to go,
is just to inspect what is going on with the
head coach and the trickle down effect. I find it
specifically fascinating to Kyle's point a year ago he's talking
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about Mike Tomlin and just wondering what this brand is
about with this head coach at the Helm. I still
wonder this time last year, we were all rightfully or wrongfully,
so obsessed with Aaron Rodgers coming and being the quarterback
for the New York Jets in his second season obviously,
but his first being healthy.
Speaker 7 (44:18):
We could not get through a show without addressing this.
Speaker 6 (44:21):
Kyle, I feel that at times we haven't said it
enough we haven't talked about it enough. I know other
networks are doing that, but I almost feel more comfortable
in this space. The way we have kind of approached
Rogers being with the Pittsburgh Steelers almost like a hands off,
We'll wait and see.
Speaker 7 (44:35):
What we got.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
How do you feel about the way we have gone
about as a collective, if you will, Rogers being with
the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
It's different because the Jets thing was a disaster, and
there's a sense of Listen, some people are a little
tired of Rogers.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
There's a lot of Rogers fatigue.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I'll always say I will always be fascinated by him.
I think he's the most interesting athlete in the world, really,
But it's sounded like I don't know that the Jets thing,
we were promised that we're gonna go back to the
super Bowl when that Lombardi looks lonely and then just bad.
So I think there's like a little bit collectively in
the media and maybe even on our show, a little
bit like there's just some flashier objects somewhere else. And
also our expectations aren't as high. But maybe that's a
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good thing.
Speaker 8 (45:17):
Good ball and football
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good Mom, Mom.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
This is really cool. It's a household NFL name.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
He is a five time port bowler, three time first
team All Pro. He's also a Super Bowl champion, and
recently he decided to hang up the cleats and we've
got him. We've watched him. We can't wait to talk
to him. Please welcome and dominicansue.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
What's up thing?
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Man?
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah, we start with this kind of melancholy news that
you have announced your retirement.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
How do you feel? Does it feel final? Where's your
head right now? Man?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
He was good.
Speaker 5 (00:56):
I mean, I've had opportunities over the last couple of
years to go back, but a lot of it it's been
in and around with my dad, which I shared on
social media as him master Hire, but then also my
mother as well, who's a big part of my life.
But then more importantly my beautiful wife Katya and my boys.
Not wanting to be away from those twin boys and
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spending time with them. So it was trying to pay
how much to my dad it was his year when
your anniversary is passing, which was a tough, tough encounterment
to deal with, especially over the last five years and
what he's been handling. But he's in a better place,
so I'm happy.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
And we're happy for you the fact that you have
arrived at such a safe and healthy place with it.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Adam M.
Speaker 7 (01:38):
Kinney.
Speaker 6 (01:39):
One of my favorite things about you in meeting you
over the years in our production meetings is what you
just spoke on. You're such a thoughtful person, very different
than what we see on the field sometimes in terms
of your emotion.
Speaker 7 (01:49):
But when you listen to you.
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Speak about the game and specifically your relationship with your
father when you played, what do.
Speaker 7 (01:55):
You remember most about him?
Speaker 6 (01:56):
What are some of those things that are your favorite
points of your father's relationship with football and how you
guys connected on the field before you pass.
Speaker 4 (02:04):
I mean, I'm getting hills right now thinking back to it.
Speaker 5 (02:07):
But just the big thing that you would always do,
especially before games, was telling me to pray, go out
there and have fun.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
And it was really just one of those pieces of like.
Speaker 5 (02:17):
You're playing for our last name, so just go make
as proud as you are already to do. So it was
always a confident him being behind me, and especially my
mom as well, even though I didn't grow up in
a household with both my parents, they were both there
at all times no matter what we needed as kids.
Speaker 8 (02:31):
Well, I know Bro that he'll be super proud because
all of your accomplishments.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
KB kind of mentioned it in the beginning of this interview.
Speaker 8 (02:37):
Your five time Pro Bowler, three time first Team All Pro,
defensive rookie player of.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
The Year, super Bowl champion, and that's just your NFL career.
Speaker 8 (02:45):
But of all of your accomplishments, when you look back
at it, is there one accomplishment that you hope that
people know you.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
For from a lifetime If I'm understanding correct your question correctly.
From a lifetime perspective, I mean I want to be
more known officield than I was on And I've had
a lot of success on the football field throughout the
decades of being in college and especially in the CROs
in the Super Bowl, but ultimately every wanted to be
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coined as just an athlete. So ultimately gave in the
way for a lot of different people and showing them
that there's multi dimensional and I can sit in boardrooms,
I can sit in.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
High level meetings, be able to help companies.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
Grow, which I've done over the decades, even while I
was playing so ultimately, like I said, being more sets
fault to field than I was on.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
You know in Doominkin very early in your career, that
was obvious, that was a priority. And I know that
so many people who follow you know that Domicin has
so many different notes to him and so many different
interests is in. I do think it's interesting to go
back to the young Raw and Dominic and Sioux coming
out of Nebraska. You came into the league and you
were looked at as an avenger or a wrestling heel
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for some people, even the word villain because of the
way you played. What's it like for you to hear
that and look back to like twenty ten and dollars, I.
Speaker 5 (04:05):
Love it, to be honest with you, because that means
I was doing my job. I was pissing off into
golf and if you like me as a defensive player,
that means I.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Wasn't doing my job.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
And I think from everybody that mentored me, especially from
a Russell Maryland who I just was exchanged invested with
siting message with the other day, like paying homage to
those guys and being able to say, like I'm continuing
that blue collar football that you guys ingrained in us
and paved the way for us, and now I want
to just take it to a different level, which I
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think I did in a lot of ways, and trying
to change the game and change the game. But I
know there's always been the piece of people having biases
of me being dirty in these different things. But ultimately, again,
I don't want you to like me if I'm doing
my job.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
See, I think that's something really important in the league.
I speak as a fan. I love that factor of
the guy who sees the line and walks it or
maybe goes over it. To that Noteed Dominican, when you
look back now at your career, is there anything on
the field that you regret?
Speaker 4 (05:07):
No, there's nothing I regret.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
And the reason why I can say that is because ultimately,
if I'm regretting that, I'm second guessing my decision, second
getting my job and what I want to do. My
focus is and ultimately it's about being successful and finding
ways to win. I think any teammate that I've had
would echo this and that they'd loved me being in us,
working together and finding ways to win, setting records, whether
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it was in Detroit and twenty fourteen best run defense.
We should have been the best defense in the league,
but we set records there. And then also the same
thing going to Miami, changing that culture and getting them
to a winning perspective and then obviously transitioning getting into
super Bowls and I think three of the last five
years and one of the reasons why Philly I was
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able to join that team and we came up one
game short or really one half short to the great Mahomes.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
And Dominican you just mentioned it.
Speaker 6 (06:01):
You touched a lot of organizations and packed to them
the best way that you possibly can. But it all
started for you, at least with the NFL jerseys and
the helmets back in twenty ten at a Radio City.
Speaker 7 (06:13):
Musical event called the NFL Draft. Let's take a look
at where it all started for you.
Speaker 9 (06:18):
The second pick in the twenty ten NFL Draft, the
Detroit Lions select and Dominican Sue do you better tackle Nebraska.
Speaker 6 (06:31):
That's your original Lions hypeman right there in the crowd,
thrilled to your Sue's name, called second overall to the
Detroit Lions back in twenty ten. What do you remember
about that time and that night in Dominican It was.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
An interesting night in day, especially because the Tampa Bay
Buccaneers had promised me that they were going to come
up and get me at the number two spot. They
had like twelve picks and they were going to throw
them all that Detroit. But I remember gunthrow Cunningham or
the lake under Cunningham says like, there's no way I
was letting you pass. You're a blue Chipper in my mind.
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And they were going to take Sam Bradford at number one,
which pissed me off, which made me go after him
as much as possible and trying to ruin his career.
But ultimately, I mean, it was one of the greatest
blessings of my career to be able to be drafted
at such a high pick and then obviously setting an
opportunity up for me and my family, but going to Detroit,
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in a great city that I still love to this day,
to be able to help them turn around in such
a blue collar city as well.
Speaker 10 (07:31):
Well, Man, you've played a lot of ball, obviously, from
the draft all the way till now.
Speaker 11 (07:36):
Three Super Bowls.
Speaker 10 (07:36):
He played in Super Bowl fifty three with the Rams,
fifty seven with the Eagles, and of course he won
Super Bowl fifty five with the Buccaneers.
Speaker 11 (07:44):
Bring us back to those Super Bowls. You know, what
are the moments that you remember the most?
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Probably the two that stick to my head the most
was the fifth Superowl fifty three with La sitting losing
that game to Tom Brady. I think we had an
amazing one perfour minutes. I think our offense strong good.
I've for the lowest scoring super Bowl games ever. And honestly,
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I didn't sleep that night after that game, and I
cried and I couldn't understand, like, what did we do wrong?
What did I do wrong? Why we couldn't have won
that game? And so that feeled my fire to get
back to the Super Bowl. And then when I got
to fit Super Bowl fifty five, probably one of the
best moments outside of winning that game and kissing my
wife's stomach after winning, was messages from Jumpman itself and
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Michael Jordan the night before in the morning of and
then also Phil Night and came, I mean you've done
our city to city proud in Portland, because obviously Phil
started Night Morgan and Jumpman saying.
Speaker 4 (08:43):
Man, go be a champion. This is why I brought
you to the brand. This is why I wanted to.
I've been trying to get you for years but blocking me.
So go get one for the team. That's what I
went did and help my team.
Speaker 8 (08:56):
Wanted to donal Ken you talked about, I'm Tom Brady
and you've had seventy sacks throughout your career, and that's
a lot of different quarterbacks. As a defender, I know
what it feels like to have that one that you
want to get. Is there a quarterback that you've always
wanted to get out of those seventy sacks.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Yeah, Aaron Rodgers, I'll see you guys up for that one.
He's assure to hit. But I think the probably the
most prideful one was Brett Favre. I know was later
on in his career going against him against the Jets
and also the Vikings, but Brett Fabers are great, so
being able to and go against him was one of
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the absolute pleasures.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
You know, and domic and you've mentioned history a lot
and the people who came before you. When you were
a little kid, there was this great dynamic between Brett
Favre and Warren Sapp where they would get in each
other's faces and they would talk noise.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And they just love going at it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
You developed a routine and a reputation for going at
it with Rogers. He would go at you, you'd go
at him. When you look back on your career as
a fan, it's impossible not to remember Rogers. Reflect on
those competitions, reflect on those conversations because a lot of
stuff happened between the two of you.
Speaker 5 (10:06):
Yeah, I think my reflection of those is just pure
a competition and competing to be one of the best.
I have ultimate respect for Aaron Rodgers and what he's
been able to do as an individual. I wish him
the best, especially with him being with the Steelers. I
hope him and my boy Slay find a way to
get to a Super Bowl and hopefully win it this year.
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From that perspective and being a fan, I'm looking forward
to being able to go and watch them, hopefully live.
I think with my Sky Sports gig and commentating, I
think they're on my schedule. So hopefully me and Eric
can have a conversation because I know he's reached out before,
but we just haven't had an opportunity. And I think
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one thing I would wish for him is to get
to know me, especially off the field versus on the field.
Speaker 10 (10:53):
Man, you were always somebody I really looked up to
throughout my career.
Speaker 11 (10:57):
I remember I've had times that my mom would text
and be like, you know, have you got a.
Speaker 10 (11:01):
Chance to talk to demacom Like, you know, we're both
camera guys, and I got my I got my flag shorts.
Speaker 11 (11:07):
Here, man, I represent now too. Was coming on. Man,
I was super excited to talk to you.
Speaker 10 (11:12):
I was scared to talk to you about it, so
my mom hesed to teest me those things.
Speaker 11 (11:15):
But you know, we're both Camerillon. You know what about
our culture, Like what is it instilled to you? What
does it mean to you being Camerion.
Speaker 5 (11:24):
I mean, I'll just go back a little bit of
when I got drafted, so I'll never forget when I
was sitting there in that draft room and getting wanting
CNN or CNN wanting to speak to me to relay
my interview back to the Cameriunion people. That was, I
mean amazing understanding, Like my how prideful my dad is
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being considered, especially in the northwest of Cameron a little
bit of royalty from that perspective, Like I have a
whole country behind.
Speaker 4 (11:51):
Me and villages and all these people that are looking
up to me.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
So ultimately, it's representing that not only that flag that
you just put up, but the people within that and
my many many siblings and family members that are back
there as well well.
Speaker 7 (12:05):
And Donikan, you might have a lot of countries watching you.
Speaker 6 (12:07):
On Sunday, September twenty eighth, you just mentioned you have.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
A gig with Sky Sports.
Speaker 6 (12:12):
Can you just share with people what that role is
and what you're implying here is that does that crew
that you work with for Sky Sports? Will they be
in Dublin, Ireland for the Viking Steelers game, a game
in which Aaron Rodgers would be at, and therefore, are
we going to have this on field camera handshake with
all the cameras around.
Speaker 7 (12:31):
How's that going to go for you?
Speaker 5 (12:32):
Well, see, that's a tentative plan right now. We're in
conversation with my boss to potentially get over there. Sky
Sports has been great. I've been there over the last
two years and primarily in October, in January, and then
this most recent just did the Super Bowl for them.
It's been a blast, ton of fun being able to
work with Neil Reynolds. But ultimately, I think there's a
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lot of exciting things to be able to grow and
be able to do that and really stay close to
the game, which I'm excited. So Aaron z Opatuni has
I want them to stay focused for winning for his team.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
We're definitely now.
Speaker 10 (13:08):
I'm coming got We got a lot of time to
sit down and speak at the social media and branding
workshop out in la I was so happy I got
a chance to really sit down and talk with you,
and some of the things that you told me, Man,
I think are great for young players in the league
to hear just about your mindset and.
Speaker 11 (13:24):
Really off the field how you were, whether.
Speaker 10 (13:27):
It's getting meetings with the owners, whether it's getting to
know the decision makers and the cities and the teams
that you played in. Who instilled that in your mindset
to do those things and what would you recommend the players,
young guys who were in the position that you were
in cornerstones of a team, and how they can start
to cultivate those relationships with people in their cities.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Yeah. I mean a lot of people don't know this,
but I made a lot.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Of my decisions in free agency in and around not
only being able to win football games, but also to
learn off the football field.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
And one of the reasons.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Why I went to LA was to be able to
be close to the Karky family and be able to
learn for all the great things that they've been doing.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
I mean, you look at them as an organization. I
think recently came out.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
That they with all their sports teams that they own,
they're one of the most successful and the highest valued
at this particular point in time. Same thing with Steven
Ross and the ability to learn from him, especially from
a real estate perspective, with related and all the different
things that they're doing, and really just from the social
aspect of being able to have with your own voice.
And I think that's one of the reasons why I
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created No Free Lunch with The New York Times in
the Athletic to be able to continue to have that unbiased,
unfiltered voice, but also to have real conversations, talk about
real strategies, whether it's tax all the different things that
come into to that side of the world. But then
also providing education that I was greatly given from Warren Buffett,
who's a close mentor of mine. Joe Moglia who's a
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chairman or former chairman chairman of Team tdm Ror Trade
and Jay Brown with Marshy Venture Partners and a founder
of rock Nation. Being able to stay connected to those guys,
learn from them, be at their hips, but also be
able to share that knowledge that I've been able to
get over the fit last fift years from then for
me to be successful to not only be able to
pass that on to other folks and whatnot. So I mean,
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that's that's really my big thing of being able to
leverage all the resources in the platform that I have
been afforded by having a successful career in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
You see it right there. NFL stands for no free lunch.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
That is in Dominican's pod and Domakin, this is absolutely perfect, insightful, thoughtful,
and it's always how you've carried yourself in the media.
Congratulations on your retirement. If this is it, We're so
glad you came by and talked to us. You are
a Warren sap met It's Warren Buffett. It's pretty incredible.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Thank you, Matt.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I appreciate it as a pleasure to talk. Hopefully see
you guys again soon.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Good mo football some news that emerged overnight from our guy,
NFL insider Tom Pelasero. He's reported that eight time Pro
Bowl Von Miller is signing.
Speaker 7 (16:08):
With the contending Commanders.
Speaker 6 (16:10):
They had been talked about that Miller, in his epic
past rushing era, was going to seek out a team
that was in need of a guy like that coming
off a defensive line. Now Miller is a Super Bowl
champion with the Broncos and the Rams. Through his first
shout out to the Hogs by saying what's good? And
that's a photoshopped image of Von Miller playing in a
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Washington Commandager. That's what it would look like everybody. So,
Rashan you, I assume no von Miller. You played adjacent
to him in your time in the NFL. What do
you make of his choice to go to Washington and
the Commanders picking.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
Him up on defense.
Speaker 12 (16:43):
I think it's a smart move for him. I think
it's smart move for the Commanders. I mean, they were
the oldest team in the NFL last year.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
In in addition to a Von Miller to the.
Speaker 12 (16:53):
Defense, they stay the oldest team in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
So I think what.
Speaker 12 (16:57):
They're doing is putting their their counting on their defense
and relying on their offense, and especially and now Jaden Daniels.
And how I look at it is this, when I
order something from Amazon, I kind of I don't rely
on it to show up. If it says it's gonna
be there Friday evening, I count on it to show up.
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And so what I'm counting on is the commanders now
is I'm counting on the defense to actually carry us.
And then that allows me to rely on my office. Now,
when you rely on something, you're depending it with full trust. Now,
there was a dating phase with Jada Daniels first year.
Now they're getting into a marriage. And to trust somebody,
you don't need to trust somebody with your money.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
If you don't give them your credit card.
Speaker 12 (17:38):
You don't need to trust somebody with your food unless
you give them the utensils. And you don't need to
trust anybody with your heart until you give it to them.
So what do they do now? They've given Jaden Daniels
the true keys to the ship. So I think it's
good for the commanders to pick up Avon Miller.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
He's a stout player for sure.
Speaker 8 (17:58):
I like it too, Rushat And you said, counting on
this counting on that. I think a lot of people
may assume that when you have somebody like von Miller
come in, you're counting on him to be the old
von Miller. He's not gonna be the old von Miller, guys,
and talking about the word counting, he's gonna be on
a snap count. He's gonna be a situational player. He's
going to be somebody. If you look at dan Quinn
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and that defense, last year, they blitzed more in dan
Quinn's career.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Than he's used to blitzing.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
He doesn't want to blitz on third downs, guys, he
doesn't want to blitz on first and second. But last
year he had to bring some pressure and the only
way that he could do it is by sending up blitz.
Now you have somebody like von Miller. He's not gonna
play on first down. He's probably not gonna play on
second down, But you bet on third down when dan
Quinn wants to drop coverage and drop zone that you're
gonna see. I guess the number twenty four, he said, Jamie,
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You're gonna see whatever number von Miller is playing, you're
going to see him coming off the edge. Now, this
reminds me a lot when we signed Dwight Freene when
I was with the San Diego Chargers, we signed Dwight Freeney,
and he was after he spent eleven years in Indianapolis.
We didn't sign Dwight Freeney to play first, second, and
third down situational awareness, and I think it's a great
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fit for somebody like von Miller, who at this point
in time, I think he's ring chasing you. You accomplish
everything you wanted to accomplish in this game by being
a player. Now go get as many Super Bowls as
you can. And so I like this matchup, this matching
with the Commanders on von Miller.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
This is a really meaningful signing for me.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
The message really clear to me is the Commanders are
trying to win the Super Bowl this year.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
This year, let's get it done.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Now that you don't bring in von Miller to be
a building block or a piece.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
To the future.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
This is a very specific player and phase of his career.
The Rams did the same thing with von Miller, it worked.
The Bills tried the same thing with von Miller, it
didn't work. And dwy Freedey's a perfect example. It wasn't
just the Chargers that sign him. Man side, this is
a Hall of Famer. In the last four years of
his career was on four separate teams, each one of.
Speaker 3 (19:56):
Them trying to get him in.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
It's like a basketball equivalent of like, just come off
the bench and hit a couple threes.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
That's all we want you to do. We don't need
you to build defense around anything like that.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
They're bringing him so when they play Philadelphia in the playoffs,
Von Miller gets a sack against Jalen Hurts and that
would be worth the entire signing. And I think they're
saying right now, we brought in a new tackle, We're
bringing in a new pass rusher.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
We're gonna figure out our wide receivers.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Somehow, but let's do it now with the cheap quarterback.
And don't laugh about the Commanders winning the Super Bowl
this year.
Speaker 3 (20:30):
Joe Burrow was in the Super Bowl in his second year.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
Patrick Mahomes won the Super Bowl in his second year
as a starter.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
This is the new normal, cash in now.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
There's no like well, Jaden will continue to evolve and
will finally No, it's a now league. Now, you don't
need to sign Von Miller. You'll probably be a perfectly
fine defense without him. But it's that one thing where
in the divisional round or the title game he hits
a corner three and you haven't heard from him in
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two and a half months. But he's been on the roster.
Von's been in big games and sacked Hall of Fame quarterbacks.
I think it says the message is very clear. We
want every single little piece. We want to win the
Super Bowl this year, and we're bringing in a guy
who was trying to do it with his third team.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
Well, I like that, KB, and I'm going to make
a basketball reference to his comments. You bring in somebody
like Ray Allen to the Boston Celtics and he's later
in his career and then he hits a game winning,
championship winning three pointer when you really need him.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
That's the type of signing this is, in my opinion,
with Von Miller.
Speaker 8 (21:31):
Now, we talk about Duo's earlier in the week, and
we talked about the connection between a wide receiver and
his quarterback and why the nonverbals in that situation are
come and play for the offense defensively. That version is this,
we have a connection and an understanding where I don't.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Have to worry about that side of the field.
Speaker 8 (21:49):
The royal revis was that for the Jets, I don't
got to worry about wherever he's at. For Bobby Wagner
in the middle, Now I don't have to worry about
where von Miller's at. I don't have to worry about
Jalen Hurt scrambling to that side. I can just worry
about what's opposite of him. So this eliminates a whole
bunch of problems that could arise for.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
The Commander's defense. Now that you have somebody like von.
Speaker 8 (22:08):
Miller aka Ray Allen shooting on one side of the
one side of the field.
Speaker 6 (22:12):
God, I just literally went into a deep dive in
my brain of like the really good Celtics team circle
like twenty eight to fourteen, with like now on the team,
Like who's the Kevin Garnett, Who's It's just you just
rattled my brain and that Ray Allen from the corner.
It was perfect, man SI. The Commanders, as we all know,
split the regular season series with the division winning NAY
Super Bowl champion Eagles.
Speaker 7 (22:33):
They lost in the NFC title.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Games with the Birds, obviously, who went on to win
Super Bowl fifty nine. Okay, so now they've quote unquote
bolstered their pass rush, if you will, if we're all
truly acknowledging that maybe it'll come mostly on third down.
And when he comes out, he's supposed to don'tk on everybody.
And that's von Miller Rashan. I'll ask you, look at
the Commanders, what is the difference maker? What is going
to have to be the secret sauce for the Commanders
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to usurp the Philadelphia Eagles and win this tough division.
Speaker 12 (23:00):
Well, already history is kind of playing in their favor.
As we know in the NFC East, there has not
been any team that's consecutively won the division outside of
twenty years now, and that was Philadelphia Eagles. So it's
back and forth. This is a tough division. I think
right now they're going to have to lean heavily on
their run game, controlling the clock. You got a veteran team,
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which we know, you have more experience, you're savvier, but
a little bit longer in the toof you can get tired.
There's a long season. You got to keep everybody healthy. Conservative,
but they are a physical, heavy handed team. I'm saying
right now especially when we bring over Deebo Samuel.
Speaker 2 (23:38):
What is he right?
Speaker 12 (23:39):
He's a specimen of a player that is a running back,
slash receiver, slash utility player. You know, he's like a
larger Percy Harvin.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
He could do it all.
Speaker 12 (23:49):
And so when you think about this kind of team
and how they built to play, and I know they're
gonna pay Scary Terry at some point, you believe that.
Speaker 4 (23:55):
I believe that you can't.
Speaker 12 (23:56):
There's no way we can be talking about the Commanders
in chasing a chip without bringing Inary.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
It's going to happen. Iijah, it's the step.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Of what I say, yesterday were shot. That's what I'm
talking about.
Speaker 8 (24:08):
What number one you just said, you got to you
gotta sign Scary Terry. And the reason why is because
if you watch the NFC Championship, you saw how the
Eagles were able to take away Scary Terry. You can't
depend on one wide receiver out there if you're the Commanders,
because you had to resort to zach Ertz a lot
in the NFC Championship. So you need to have Deebo Samuel,
zach Ertz and Scary Terry out there to even get
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a chance go to the playoffs and win this division. Now,
when I look at what they need to do, Number one,
Jayden can't have a sophomore slump.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
That's number one. Like, you have to be able to.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
Figure out how am I going to how am I
going to structure this offense so that he continues and
builds off of a strong rookie campaign.
Speaker 2 (24:48):
Jaden Daniels has to be electric.
Speaker 8 (24:50):
Number Two, you have to be able to keep those
athletic quarterbacks that you have in your division in the pocket.
That's why they're signing A von Miller is so important
and it's crucial for their success this year because you
have a guy now that can keep these guys in
the pocket without sending a blitz or possibly keeping Bobby
Wagner Frankly Louvu in the middle to spy these guys.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
You get let von Miller do his thing.
Speaker 8 (25:13):
And number three, it's the same kryptonite as all teams,
stay healthy.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Like if you even want a chance, you have to
have all your pieces out there. You have to stay healthy.
Speaker 8 (25:22):
So with those three things, Kyle, I think they have
a pretty good chance of being a contender in NFC East.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Yeah, they just listen.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
They got to slay the Egles somehow, somehow, and there's
a really interesting schedule quirk. And for the level of God,
please don't bring up the schedule, you know, I can't
stand that. But in the last three weeks of the
Commander's schedule versus Philadelphia, versus Dallas at Philadelphia. So we're
not going to have our answer to this question in
a long time. It's one of these things where the
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Commanders and Eagles don't play until almost Christmas for the
first time, and then they play twice in three weeks,
and then who knows if we get a third time
in four or five weeks. It's all there's worlds are
going to change by the time we see Eagles command
But honestly, like they have to do something about the
toush push. The Commanders are like exhibit A of the
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effectiveness of that plate.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
Frankie Lulu is still jumping over the line.
Speaker 1 (26:15):
He's still there standing in an empty stadium, jumping over
the line, trying to stop this thing. There's a lot
of things I'm looking forward to in the twenty twenty
five season. I don't know if illing Ford anything as
much as the first time the Eagles try to run
the toush push against the Commanders because that maniac. I
don't know what he's capable of, but he's gonna bet
his life to try to stop this thing, and he won't.
They dropped fifty five points on him.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Guys. It was a shallacking.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
It was a terrible end to a wonderful Commander's season.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
And that's fine.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
But a lot, a lot has to change, and a
lot will change. This isn't one of those Jamie, Like
it's like, hey, right out of the gate, it's week
two Eagles command No no, no, no, no, Like this game is
six months from now. It is so so you know,
we got those countdowns now forty three days still kickoff
or whatever, like it's like four hundred days until Commander's Eagles.
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And I only say that because there will be injurious
there will be transactions, there'll be the ups and down.
I don't even know who these teams are going to be.
Then it makes it all the more mysterious.
Speaker 12 (27:12):
Yeah, and with that you said they do meet late.
But first out of the gate, the game one, we
got Dallas Cowboys Philadelphia Eagles Week one.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
You have Giants Commanders Week one.
Speaker 7 (27:23):
So we're gonna have no things.
Speaker 4 (27:25):
We're gonna know a.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Little bit of something, yeah, right out the gate. But
like you said, it's not a promise. It's not a promise.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Therey noe to Lean. It's gonna be tough.
Speaker 12 (27:31):
Kyle.
Speaker 6 (27:31):
What you're implying is that the figuring out for the
commanders of the Tush Push is going to be a
stocking stuffer. In terms of that being week sixteen and eighteen,
that is the responsibility of Dan Quinn and Joe wit Junior.
Speaker 7 (27:42):
But Kyle, I want to see you up quickly.
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Someone has been on my mind as it pertained to
the commanders, and that is Cliff Kingsbury and the fact
that what he did in this role in can you
just give us a brief history lesson on the experience
that we watch Cliff Kingsbury go through in the NFL
away from the NFL, and what he has done with
this rookie soon to be second year quarterback, I believe
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is truly something magical and it speaks to what he
can do with the capability of an offense.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
Well, listen, I like Cliff my knock on Cliffs always
he doesn't do a ton of winning. You know, he's
this coach who's looking at his very smart and all
schematically brilliant and he loves quarterbacks and he's a cool dude.
But like, whether it be in college or whether it
be is the Arizona Cardinals head coach, there aren't the
real net results.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
It's just and at some point it has to be
about that. So he takes a step back. He goes
from being a head coach and getting.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Kyler to the playoffs and all that too, like, just
give me the reins and I'm going to go behind
a real truly grizzled head coach and Dan Quinn and
I'm just gonna do the whiz kid thing and give
me Jaden and I'll run the offense and I'll do this.
It was a brilliant, brilliant year for him, really really
was like it was it may be the best year
of his career at any position, in any job he's had,
and he's had a lot. And now it's just like,
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what do you do for the follow up? And I
know that if we talk sophomore slump, this sophmore slump
that I don't know, I almost want to call it
taboo on our show for that, And Matti said it earlier,
and I said it now.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
It's not only is it like a stock.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Wrote phrase, that's also just so negative. So if you
guys are down with it, I am up for a
full taboo designation on the term sophomore slump because I
don't want to see it and I don't want.
Speaker 3 (29:16):
To say it perfect.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
We'll put it on the list.
Speaker 6 (29:18):
It's officially xnade from commentary unless you're mocking it.
Speaker 7 (29:21):
We love that, Kyle.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
The way you just explained it, I think you could
have taken Ben Johnson's name and applied that parallel to it.
This whiz kid offensive brilliance. But hopefully he's gonna ruin
and shred that narrative about becoming a head coach and
hopefully he gets some wins under his belt for the
Chicago Bears.
Speaker 7 (29:38):
However, the Lions are hoping that doesn't happen. The NFC
is spicy this year. People, Let's go good football.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
We gotta get going on this TJ wat thing because
he got paid and somehow this is already a segment
we did on television at one point in his career,
but here we are talking about it again. The Steelers
star Edge Rusher received a record breaking three year, one
hundred and twenty three million dollar extension.
Speaker 7 (30:13):
Ian Rappaporre reported this will.
Speaker 6 (30:15):
Make TJ Watt again the highest paid defender in the NFL.
TJ posted this photo of himself on Instagram after the
news broke. We two might need advisor oh Man to
block out and make sure.
Speaker 7 (30:28):
We stay focused on what the Steelers got going on.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
This season, once again on a non quarterback list. Highest
paid player in NFL history, Mantik, when you saw this
come down the Steelers, we have been talking all about
them up and down, left and right, but this was
kind of that odd thing that we didn't want to address. Well,
the team did and now TJ. Watt's there for many years.
It'll be much richer because of it.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
What do you think, Well, first of all, congratulations TJ.
I mean well deserved. His brother JJ Watt posted and
then put on X whatever. It is a well deserved
earned All that at is correct, and I am one
guy that really wants players to get paid. Now, there
has to come a time if you're a player in
this league, we have to make one of two decisions.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Number one, I'm.
Speaker 8 (31:10):
Either going to make a lot of money or number two,
I'm gonna win a lot of Super Bowls because it's very,
very rare that those two things happened at the same time.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
If you think about all the players that had.
Speaker 8 (31:22):
These big contracts, very rarely do they get to the
playoffs the next year.
Speaker 2 (31:26):
Very rarely do they even get to the super Bowl.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
How many times have you heard about players quarterbacks, to
be specific, pay to Manning in twenty fifteen, he took
a four million dollar pay cut to stay in Denver.
They took that money and invested it in their defense
that practically won them the Super Bowl. Yeah, Tom Brady,
how many times have we heard Tom Brady restructure his deal?
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In twenty seventeen, he restructured his deal only to win
three Super Bowls in seven years. Like, there's just there's
a trade off here, right. So I'm all for guys
getting paid, But there has to come a time in
our career chase that we look at things and say,
you know, what do I really want? Do I really
want a lot of money? Do I want more money?
Or do I want more Super Bowls? And I think
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in this case it's well deserved. But for the Pittsburgh Steelers,
because so much money is going to a certain guy,
it's hard to invest in other pieces to help you
get further in the playoff race than you've already had
already gone in the past few years.
Speaker 13 (32:23):
Chase Man Dottter, you hit it run in the head
right there, man, And I feel like the Pittsburgh Steelers,
they really had no choice to pay to pay TJ.
Speaker 11 (32:31):
Watt.
Speaker 13 (32:31):
We know exactly what he brings to the Steelers team.
Before I even address the TJ. Watt contract, first of all,
congratulations to him. I actually want to change it to
the direction of his parents, Miss Connie and mister John Watt.
Speaker 14 (32:45):
Those parents, and speaking.
Speaker 13 (32:46):
Of parents, shout out to my mom sixty seven years
old today, Happy birthday, Mama Toadter.
Speaker 14 (32:50):
I give her a shout out, and she killed me
on air, so.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
I had to do that.
Speaker 14 (32:53):
But I really want to.
Speaker 13 (32:54):
Know what is the parent program or what are y'all
feeding or raising those kids, Miss Conye and mister John Watt,
Because you got JJ Watt getting paid one hundred million,
you got TJ getting paid one hundred million, You got
there making it to the NFL. I plan on having
some children someday. So Miss Kylie and mister John Watt,
please let me know the children raising programs makes please.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Give me that part.
Speaker 4 (33:20):
But when you think about TJ.
Speaker 14 (33:22):
Watt, he's just the epitome of steeling football, right.
Speaker 13 (33:24):
He's mental toughness, the defensive tenacity, going after the football
at all times. And what I love about TJ Wat
even more is that not only with his sacks and
generating pressures. In the last two seasons.
Speaker 14 (33:36):
Twenty twenty three twenty twenty.
Speaker 11 (33:38):
Four, TJ.
Speaker 14 (33:38):
Watt leaves the NFL.
Speaker 4 (33:39):
And four stumbles at ten.
Speaker 13 (33:41):
So not only does he get those sacks, he takes
the football away. Turnovers are the number one indicator for
a football team when it comes to wins and losses.
Speaker 3 (33:49):
And you know what I.
Speaker 13 (33:50):
Stat that I saw as well, was that the Pittsburgh
Steelers Fins drafting kJ Watt in twenty seventeen, when he's
not on the field president for a game, they're one
in ten.
Speaker 14 (33:58):
So I feel like they had no choice but to
pay my man his money.
Speaker 4 (34:01):
No doubt.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
And listen, there was Watt boys that they're raised Wisconsin strong.
They're from Pelwaukee, Wisconsin. Whatever they feed him, whatever they're
drinking there, that is a Midwestern strong. And I mean,
I can't imagine being the Watt parents and my kid
hits a ground ball up the middle in Little League.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
I feel like he's Mickey Mantle.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
These guys, what they have accomplished is an amazing, amazing thing.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I like the way this was done. There's something very
steeler about this. TJ.
Speaker 1 (34:29):
Watt did not unfollow the Steelers on social he did
not throw a fit.
Speaker 3 (34:33):
And the media. He did not go on a media tour.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Saying he wants to be traded and he's done with
the Steeler, none of that. It was all done in
silence and with dignity and was very steeler like, which
I really like. Here's the story. Now he got his money.
He's awesome. He's a fantastic player.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
I love him. He's going to go to the Hall
of Fame TJ. Watt.
Speaker 1 (34:49):
I think he may already be a Hall of Famer,
but I think he will be definitely by the end
of this contract when they go in, when he goes in,
and they'd be really cool if JJ will already be in,
if JJ inducted him. And when they say ladies and gentlemen, TJ. Watt,
what clips are they showing of TJ? And I don't
mean the stripsack. I mean, like, what games is he
playing in? What was the stakes of those games?
Speaker 3 (35:12):
Were the stakes?
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Because I don't want to see TJ.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Watt going to the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (35:17):
Eight or nine years from now and he's having a
strip sack in some Week three game against the Browns
that nobody cares or remembers. What I'm getting at is
he's got the huge money. I would really like to
see TJ. Watt now in some huge games, and he.
Speaker 3 (35:31):
Usually is not. TJ. Watt has never won a playoff game.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Not his fault necessarily, it's just a private product of
that this ara of Steelers football. But I love seeing
the greats do great things on great stages. It's time
for the Steelers to win. They got everything they need
in front of them now. I think they got the
next iteration of their quarterback. They got a new wide receiver,
they got their defensive end, they got their pieces.
Speaker 3 (35:55):
I mean, can we win now?
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Because I love that he's making all this money and
he should. But even his brother JJ, like he was
on some very flawed Texans team, but also some going
JJ won in the playoffs. He was able to do that,
and it's frustrated him that he ever got to a
super Bowl. But my god, we got to get TJ
a wild card win. It it's beneath him, someone of
his stature and certainly his compensation now, to be this
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many years into his career, going he his nine season
with out of playoff win. I do think this is
a very wise investment. I don't agree with anyone who
says I don't know TJ. This bitch money is my
best footballs behind, and I think that's crazy. We have
an immediate genetic comp He's through eight seasons now. JJ
was having double digit sacks in season twelve for Arizona.
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Don't worry about TJ falling off the table or anything
like that. I just think he's going to be great.
He's obviously paid. It's time for the Steelers to get
him in some huge games when he goes to that
Hall of Fame. I want to see him in the
divisional round or a title game something becoming a Steeler
great because right now we're just not there yet and
it's time for him to win.
Speaker 13 (37:00):
Yeah. K, but you said it completely right man, and
TJ Watt, we all know he's going to get his sacks.
He's going to force his turnovers. He's going to be
the leader on the Steelers defense. I think right now,
the person that he's knocking on the door to solve
those playoff walls problems is Aaron Rodgers, and that's exactly
why they brought Aaron Rodgers in there. So I'm eager
to see really how Aaron Rodgers elevates the Steelers to
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see if they can kind of break these playoff goals.
Speaker 14 (37:22):
They haven't won a playoff game since twenty sixteen.
Speaker 13 (37:24):
And I think he's probably the most exciting quarterback that
they've had since prime Ben ro Roethlisberger. So that's something
I'm definitely eager to see unfold for this football season.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
There's always expectation when it comes to the Steelers, and
as Kyle always talks about that logo and what it
means for the playoffs, but there's expectation, and as we've
watched over the last couple of years, there's not really
panning out on the expectation or living up to it.
Now if you look at this depth chart, it is
just stacked with guys that.
Speaker 7 (37:51):
Are new to town that have won.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
You've got super Bowl champions on this Steelers roster. How
do these guys, the Steelers, the organization, Tomlin, you could
take it whatever direction you want, navigate the way that
this champion ship roster is built because these are highly
paid stars. These are players that have been to the
biggest stages. When there is so much pressure on this coach,
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this organization, this brand.
Speaker 8 (38:15):
Well, now it comes to cohesion, though, Jamie, you know,
I mean you could talk about the Jets last year.
Aaron Rodgers was with the Jets and had Vante Adams
and you had Garrett Wilson like you had dogs over there,
you know. So it's the cohesion. You could have the
best pieces, but unless they come together, it's not going
to come to fruition.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
You're not going to.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
Get to Kb's point, to those big games. It's going
to come down to how fast can we come together
as one? I know they're individuals, but how fast can
we come together as one? If you look at this
team and how they're built, what's their identity going into
this season? Just look at what they did in the offseason. Offensively,
you sign Dk Metcalf and Aaron Rodgers strong, strong impressions,
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but then defensively you go and you sign Jalen Ramsey,
and Darius Slay, which feels a much needed hole, a
hole that pretty much was the only weakness of that defense.
Last year, the defense really struggled, and that was because
of the youth of that defensive back room. Now you
have two veterans in there that have one to your point, Jamie,
But then you look at the draft, they have seven
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draft picks, five out of the seven defense. So they're
going back to what made that franchise what it is,
the steel Curtain. That's a defensive team that's not an offensive.
The only time the Steelers really relied on their offense
was when the Killer Beaes was over there, Ben Roethlisberger,
a B and Levey on Bell. Other than that, the
Steelers are a defensive team and I think they're going
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back to what they were and hopefully that results in
a lot of the wins that they had in the past.
And so Chase, that's what I'm really looking forward to
when you have all of these pieces come together as one.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, I think they're running against Chase if I can
get in here. I'm sorry, Chase, I jumped the line completely.
I'm like high on bagels and right now I can't
even read the thing. You know what, Chase, you go
to your thoughts, I'm going to go to another everything,
because that's what we're doing this segment.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
Everything go ahead, Chase.
Speaker 14 (40:04):
Akb I'm just grateful to be blessed by your president.
Speaker 4 (40:07):
If you want to take it.
Speaker 14 (40:07):
You jumped the line, brother, But man, that's really a
good point.
Speaker 13 (40:11):
And I think what the Pittsburogh Steelers really did, what
their focus was was we all know it starts about
winning your division, right, and that's why they added so
much defensive talent. You're going against Joe Burrow, Jamar, Chase T. Higgins,
you got Lamar Jackson and that crazy Baltimore Ravens offense.
So I really think the Pittsburog Steelers tried to hone
in on that defense.
Speaker 11 (40:28):
Again.
Speaker 13 (40:29):
But at the end of the day, when it comes
to the playoffs, man, we know what it is. Who's
going to convert those long third down conversions. Who's going
to stay on in the football field. At the end
of the day, Aaron Rodgers is coming in. And they
brought Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 14 (40:39):
In because you know the nine and eight typical.
Speaker 13 (40:41):
Or ten and seven tough defense winning those games seventeen
to thirteen just isn't going to get it done anymore
when you're talking about winning a playoff game. So I'm
very eager to see exactly how Aaron Rodgers comes in
there and when it's time to get gritty and it's
time to really win those tough games against Joe Burrow,
against Lamar Jackson, against possibly Josh Allen or Patrick Mahomes,
Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 14 (41:01):
Is going to have to play the form like Aaron
Rodgers usually does.
Speaker 13 (41:03):
And that's what I'm eager to see what the Pittsburgh
steel is coming up this football season.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
On the bottom, we say how do we navigate the roster?
I think the most intriguing part of the roster right
now is the backfield, because remember Najie Harris is gone.
They did not pay him huge money. I don't think
anyone was looking for them to do that. I like Naugy,
but I think that was the right move. So now
you're left with Jalen Warren, who was your number one back.
Nobody likes Jalen Moore, and more than I do. I mean,
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he's never had more than one hundred and fifty carries
in a season. He's always been this guy who comes
in and as a change of pace and just dominates.
That's the guy that lines up behind Aaron Rodgers. I
don't know what kind of running back of Malcolm is
going to be behind him. It's interesting to find out. But
I know this, I don't think that there is a
team in the NFL who needs a playoff win this
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season more than the Steelers. I mean, I can point
to some other ones that the Dolphins need one for sure.
There's some other teams around the league that just like
it's time. But I cards on the table at the
end of last season. I was on this network in
many other places saying I thought the Steeler should have
made a change that head come coach. And I completely
understand the respect for Mike Tomlin, but it's just starting
to feel to me like an Andy Reid in Philadelphia thing.
Speaker 3 (42:13):
There's nothing wrong.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
With the Eagles and any redis needed to separate, and
it worked out the best for both of them.
Speaker 3 (42:17):
They both landed on new things.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
And new coaches, and eventually both of them had Super
Bowl championships. It's just I still feel like maybe the
message is gone now Tomlin. Since I've said that and
since the last six months, pulls a rabbit out of
the hat and now has Aaron Rodgers as his quarterback.
But listen, it's the elephant in the room. You mentioned it.
It's ten and seven, nine and eight and losing the wildcard.
Speaker 3 (42:39):
That is the joke about the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
And that's also just the truth about the Steelers, that
there's a fraternity of teams in this league, a very
small one where just getting to the playoffs is not enough.
A lot of these teams, guys, we talk about getting
to the wildcard. Awesome, everybody keeps their jobs, nobody has
to move sweet we.
Speaker 3 (42:58):
Oft in the playoffs and who gives a damn.
Speaker 1 (43:00):
But there's that small group of teams that that's not enough.
And the Steelers are not only in that group. The
Steelers invented that group. They're the president of that group.
And yet you know, I see the other teams in
that group, be it the Green Bay Packers or now
the Kansas City Chiefs, so like they find a way
to win over the last few years, the Steelers just don't.
So there's a long top. I'm going to talk about
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it all offseason.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
TJ. Whte is going to be there.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
I never thought for one second he was going up
on another team, He's going to be there.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
I just the difference is going to.
Speaker 1 (43:28):
Come down to Rogers and can Tomlin finally get this
team to win in the postseason, because if they don't,
it's just I hate to say it about a team
I respect so much, but it is same old Steelers.
Speaker 6 (43:38):
It's an important thing to level set really in mid July,
because if you look at local Steelers coverage, especially if
things aren't going perfectly at the end of September early
October oftentimes, that's where those conversations will begin to go,
is just to inspect what is going on with the
head coach and the trickle down effect. I find it
specifically fascinating to Kyle's point a year ago he's talking
(43:59):
about Mike Tomlin and just wondering what this brand is
about with this head coach at the Helm. I still
wonder this time last year, we were all rightfully or wrongfully,
so obsessed with Aaron Rodgers coming and being the quarterback
for the New York Jets in his second season obviously,
but his first being healthy.
Speaker 7 (44:18):
We could not get through a show without addressing this.
Speaker 6 (44:21):
Kyle, I feel that at times we haven't said it
enough we haven't talked about it enough. I know other
networks are doing that, but I almost feel more comfortable
in this space. The way we have kind of approached
Rogers being with the Pittsburgh Steelers almost like a hands off,
We'll wait and see.
Speaker 7 (44:35):
What we got.
Speaker 6 (44:35):
How do you feel about the way we have gone
about as a collective, if you will, Rogers being with
the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (44:41):
It's different because the Jets thing was a disaster, and
there's a sense of Listen, some people are a little
tired of Rogers.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
There's a lot of Rogers fatigue.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
I'll always say I will always be fascinated by him.
I think he's the most interesting athlete in the world, really,
But it's sounded like I don't know that the Jets thing,
we were promised that we're gonna go back to the
super Bowl when that Lombardi looks lonely and then just bad.
So I think there's like a little bit collectively in
the media and maybe even on our show, a little
bit like there's just some flashier objects somewhere else. And
also our expectations aren't as high. But maybe that's a
(45:12):
good thing.
Speaker 8 (45:17):
Good ball and football
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