July 19, 2025 • 15 mins
A selection of the best Kyle Brandt cuts from the Week of July 14th:
- The season Josh Allen gets past the Chiefs
- Comparing WR's from different eras
- Time for Justin Herbert to join the club
- Ndamukong Suh played on and over the line
- Jets need wins, not just signings
- Is Trevor Lawrence fed up?
- Do not trade Terry McLaurin
- Tyreek Hill's all-time greatness is TBD
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'll go with Josh Allen just because you mentioned it,
man Ty, like he's beaten the Chiefs multiple times. Granted
it's always in the regular season, and sure enough, Week
nine at Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
The Chiefs are going to go to the Bills. I
think even Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Fans at this point know they're going to lose that game.
That's just kind of what happens. They lose in the
regular season and they never lose in the playoffs. You
got to just think at some point, nobody ever thought
Peyton was going to beat Brady. It'll never happen. It
did happen. It happened in two thousand and six. He
got him in Indianapolis. Brady throws a pick to Marlon Jackson
at the end of the game. At some point, probably
(01:00):
maybe it'll happen, but the fact that he has done
it multiple times, I mean, I can't pick the rest
of these guys, even Lamar. I would go with Josh
Allen just because it maybe regular season a postseason can
happen eventually. I think you can compare the ability, and
that's really fun. I don't like comparing the statistical stuff I.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Just don't like.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
And I look at all these guys who have so
much respect for who like, by the way, Jamie, I,
I'm completely secure being the historian, completely secure with how
old I am. Like I watched Chris Carter play in
my dad's couch. I watch you Name It and anybody,
Andre A. Reid, all of these incredible Hall of famers
who I grew up watching, and like, we're so eager to.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Say they're the best. Jefferson's that, Jefferson's great.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Slow the bleep down on just saying he's gonna be
better than Randy Moss. Come on, Randy Moss is just done.
We're not like we're comparing him to wayite tittle. I'd
be happy to stand up for those guys, because again,
I don't think it's styles and talent, sure, but production
it's a very different thing.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Guys, very different.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Harba did his job, Like last year was awesome. They
they fired the coach the year before, they bring in
the superstar and it completely worked. Eleven wins playoffs like
this is the Chargers, it's not the Chiefs. They had
to crawl before they can walk, and they crawled last year.
What's hasked to happen this year? This is very simple,
like Justin Herbert needs to join the conversation, and the
conversation is all right, Maybe he needs to join the club.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
You know the club.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's Mahomes, it's Allen, it's Burrow, and it's Lamar.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That is the club. Where is Justin Herbert. He's huge,
he has a massive arm, he's crazy talented. He's now
very experienced in the league. But he has to join
the club this year if they're going to really do
something in the playoffs, and he's gonna have to join
the club. After one of the strangest, least talked about
playoff performances of the twenty first century, let's.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Get into this.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Last year, Justin Herbert was excellent, specifically excellent in taking
care of the ball. He threw three interceptions all season,
and he threw four in one playoff game. That is insane.
I've never heard of that before. That ball was high.
The first interception was terrible. It's the kind of thing
where it and the social media era and the air
(03:05):
of optics and QB tears and rankings that is devastating.
So a guy's reputation because here you are in the
biggest game of the year and you played the worst
game of your career. He's never had a game in
his life where he's thrown three interceptions. Never he threw
four in this game. And we're left, what do we
do with Justin Herbert? After that, we walk away and
we're like, damn, Justin looked pretty tight in that playoff game. Man,
(03:27):
it didn't look like yourself at all. So how we
supposed to judge you? And what happens with that game
is that was the Saturday Afternoon Texans Classic. You know,
it's wild Card weekend. It's Saturday, there's a game after
it on Saturday. There's a bunch of games on Sunday.
So by the time shows like us come on Monday morning,
we're not talking Chargers Texans anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It's just forgotten about poof like it never happened.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It did happen. It's not that it was bad, it's
that he was just so strange. I can't believe what
I just saw. Three interceptions in seventeen games and four
in one game. It leaves you to make your own
conclusions about Herbert anything you want. He's not clutch, he choked,
he tensed up bright lights too much. Ready to subscribe
to those things yet, But I can't tell you for
(04:07):
sure that they're all wrong Justin Herbert. All I can
tell you is he played this great regular season last year.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
So it's almost like we have to fast forward.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I need to see Justin Herbert play a great playoff game,
because I don't even want to address the other playoff
game you had.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Against Jacksonville a few years ago. It's not great.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
You were an AFC quarterback in twenty twenty five. The
rest of your peers are the Avengers. They're amazing. You
have to do superhero stuff in superhero moments, and he
has not yet. So when he starts doing that, maybe
we'll have the conversation. But until then, Jim Harbaugh, they
could bring in a Vince Lambar.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Herbert has to join the club, and right now he's
behind the velvet road.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Let's take it easy. Let's take it easy on these
young guys. I hate hearing about on pace.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
To this, everybody in this era is on pace to
do something. Randy Mosk, they would grab them, they would
driple team them, they would hit the quarterback. After he
throws different era, different sport almost entirely, So I don't
really think it's apples to apples.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
But the key to.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Justin Jefferson and what he gonna do, and we're gonna
watch Randy Moss here the key to it. Randy was
so good at it, he was so talented, but he also
had guys who could huck the ball.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
He comes into the league and it's Randall Cunningham.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
He goes to jeff George Dante Culpepper, even when he
went to the Raider, Brat.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Johnson, a guy who won a Super Bowl. Even when
he went.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
To the Raiders, his quarterback was Kerry Collins, was a
really experienced veteran. And finally he goes to New England,
it's Tom Brady and by that point he's a first
ballot Hall of Famer. I'm looking at Jefferson now, Jeffers
going to his third quarterback in three years, and we don't.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Know if JJ McCarthy's good. We have no idea.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So Justin Jefferson has all the talents and the ability,
and he's playing in the right air to shatter every record,
but it's going to depend on his quarterbacks. That again,
is why Jamar Chase has a massive advantage over him.
Jamar Chase indefinitely is gonna play with Joe Burrow, not
only his college quarterback, but Jefferson's as well. It's almost
unfair if you had to pick one right now, you
think it's gonna put up bigger numbers over the next
(06:00):
six seasons. I'll pick Jamar every single time because I
know Burrow can play. I don't know if JJ can play.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
JJ's going to be there in two years. It's the quarterback.
When you look at these guys, so many of the people,
even to fifty different quarterbacks and all these different teams,
and then you look at the true, true, true goat
who's miles away from ever Jerry Rice. It was just
Montana for years and then into young and then all
the later years. Who cares about that. You find your
(06:27):
guy and you stick with him. Jamar has his guy.
Rice found different, or rather Moss found different guys. I
don't know if Jefferson has his guy. I hope he does,
and he'll do fine even of thoughout. But to do
Randy Moss things, you got to find your guy, and
his success will depend on a lot on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
On the field, he was a wrestling heel, and he
had a reputation because.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
He earned the reputation. Dominicansu was on the line.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I have to say, guys, I know why we showed
the highlight reel. We just showed them making strips and
all that stuff. But that highlight reel was like watching
Goodfellas on TMT.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's not really the same movie. It's highly different.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Okay, that was not the movie that I saw in
the theater.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I remember and Dominic and Sue.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
As a rookie coming in with Detroit and Damn near
ripping Jake Dellom's head off. I think it might have
even been in a preseason game.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Like he was fierce.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I remember him stepping on Aaron Rodgers with his cleats,
maybe accidental, probably not, and Rodgers like punched him like
in the hindquarters. Like Rogers had a lot of run
ins with Sue. He was this guy who enlightened, thoughtful
off the field, very intelligent, but on the field, like
on the line, over the line.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And I'm an estalgised. I missed those players. I think
we need those players sometimes.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
But he did some really real really brutal, dicey stuff,
and that was part of what made him cool. There
was a theatrical part to it where he was quote
unquote evil as a football player and didn't care about
being nice.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I'll miss that, and there's just not much of that anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Happy for the Jets, Happy for both the players that
they've signed in this offseason. It's a really really cool
thing when the guys you draft turn out to be
something good.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I just have to know what's next now.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
All right, because you don't get any credit for signing
players in the win column. You don't get any parades.
And I go back to these photographs. Let's go back
and look at these two players. Garrett and Sauce will
always be linked. And this is an NFL honors after
their rookie year. And this was the coolest Jets moment
in a long time, because, oh my god, they swept
the Rookie of the Year, they got the offense prookiear
(08:27):
the Defensive Rookie of the Year, and that is tremendous
credit to them. In the NFL draft, which is a
very difficult thing that so many people mess up. They
stuck the landing that year and they got those two guys.
Since that photograph was taken, the Jets are twelve and
twenty two. They've won twelve games and they've lost twenty
two since.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That photographs had taken.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
The coach is gone, the GM is gone, all the
coordinators are gone. They've finished third behind the Dolphins and
the Bills two years in a row.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And still the last Jets playoff one was.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
When both those guys holding those trophies were in fifth grade.
I'm glad that they have a very good and I'm
glad that they have a very good receiver. Do we
have anything even approaching a good quarterback? Because in the
time since those pictures were taken, NFL honors Zach Wilson,
Mike White, Joe Flecko, Chris Drevler, Trevor Simmy and Tim Boyle,
Aaron Rodgers, and now Justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Is he gonna actually do anything? Are we gonna win here?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Because as much as I like seeing Garrett, Wilson and
Sauce holding those Rookie of the Year trophies, it's been
a few years now. I would love to see them
holding some T shirts at the end of the season
that maybe say, oh, Division champs or just a turkey
leg or a Netflix jacket or just anything after a game.
Can you have a conversation with Tracy Wolfson after a
(09:44):
game that matters that you won.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
They're three and seven in prime time since those pictures
were taken, so listen.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Great, you stuck the landing a few years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
You signed your players.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I'd need to see some sort of progress, anything other
than we signed guys and then we're paying them a
lot of money and they're good. We've had those guys.
We know what they're like on the field. We know
what you're like with them on the field. I can't
do backflips here in New York City because Sauce and
Garrett are signed. I'll do backflips when they're actually playing
the game that matters in December and it's really time,
(10:15):
So great job. I hate to be such a cynic,
but it's really time to start winning with those guys
now that you're paying I actually really like this quote
from Lawrence, just as a fan, like I've been waiting
for this quote from Lawrence. I've been waiting for him
to say I'm tired of this crap. I think you
need to hear that this is a guy who was
looked at as the guy who's going to change the sports,
the greatest prospects since this and this, and it's just
(10:37):
it's just been middling at best. And they've done everything
they can possibly do. Now. Two years ago they draft
to tackle. Last year, they draft a wide receiver. This
year they trade everything to draft the perfect weapon. They
have the offensive coach. Now, it's like Trevor, if.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Not now, when when are we going to see even like.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
A fraction of our expectations from you? Because he's down there.
You know, he can sit down there in media market
thirty two where most of the country doesn't care, most
of Flora that doesn't care, and they could go seven
and ten this year and no one would bat and
I to finally hear something from him as a sentient
leader who's not plugged into the wall and said, I'm
(11:16):
sick of this craft so much.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I'm paraphrasing.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I'd like to hear him say that, I'd like to
see him play like that. I'd like to see anything
of substance from this era in which everything now has
been surrounded with him and they're just sitting by watching
the Texans every year become the new cool thing and c. J.
Stroud be coming with Trevor. Lawrence was supposed to be.
He's very young, he's a lot of football in front
of him. But I like, let's guts, let's go, and
I'm tired of this. I've been waiting to hear this
(11:40):
from Lawrence, and I hope we'll hear more. The Terry McLaurin
body language is terrible only because the Terry McLaurin body
language is usually so good. He's usually so charismatic and upbeat.
He looks beating down. He does not look good. He
does not look happy, but maybe he looks dug in.
I would also say, I'm going to be so mad if,
like twenty minutes from now or twenty days from now,
I see some Ian Rappaport tweet that Terry McLain has
(12:02):
been traded to the Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I'm gonna be pissed at that happens. I don't want
that to happen.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That'd be like a football crime.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I want him to be there. It's also complicated, like.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
The record has scratched for the commanders who have been
in this montage mode of this beautiful run, and the
new owner is so well liked and the new GM
is doing so great and they drafted the right quarterback. Well,
I don't know. Terry mclaurin's been around for a long time.
He preempts the owner, he preempts the GM. He goes
back from the dark era. So, if you're a Commander's fan,
(12:33):
are you team McLaurin like Manty San?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Are you like you know what I roll with.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Josh Harris and Adam Peters Like, I'm gonna trust their
business acumen and their decisions.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Here's what I do know, and I'll try to end
with a thread of optimism. These things usually get taken
care of. I really do think they usually work out.
Whether we thought Debo would never play with the Niners again,
they signed him. And it's not just a Niners thing.
Typically you don't see star player just completely discarded.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I think that get it done.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
But geez, I mean, thirty years old, thirty million, he's
a really good player. I think probably that the fans
are maybe a little bit more with ownership in the
GM since they've been so great in the last few years.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
The point is that Tyreek is still in his career.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
He's still a young man, all time great that means,
you know you're a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
You're in the.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Conversation in a handful of the greatest ever. It's TBD
with Tyreek. And that's what I think is interesting about
Tyreek right now. Fascinating portion of his career as we
move forward. He has played nine seasons. All time greats
and first ballot Hall of Famers are made in the
back half of their careers. It's the Michael Jordan learning
(13:49):
the turnaround jump shot portion of their careers. So I
will compare him now. He just finished his ninth season.
He'd be starting his ten this year. Tenthist here Tyreek.
Randy Moss from season ten to the rest of his
career had fifty six more touch downs. Teraroll Owens had
fifty eight more touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Jerry Rice had eighty two.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
More touchdowns just starting on season ten. And a couple
of those guys, especially Moss and TiO, did it with
a whole bunch of different quarterbacks. They did not just
lock in and ride with one legend. So what I'm
saying for Tyreek is it's all in front of you.
You could be an all time great. I don't think
he is now he's not an all time great. He's
a great player, but Tyreek has it in front of him.
(14:32):
If he can find a way in the back half
of his career to do with these guys like Moss
and Owens and Rice did, which has continue to develop
and evolve, he could be an all time great. If
he slows down a little bit and he doesn't have
those other gears, and he's a pretty small guy, then
he'll just be this awesome, awesome player from the twenty
tens and twenty twenties who went.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
With Mahomes and on and on. All time great is
in front of him. We'll see what he does with it.
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Speaker 2 (00:23):
I'll go with Josh Allen just because you mentioned it,
man Ty, like he's beaten the Chiefs multiple times. Granted
it's always in the regular season, and sure enough, Week
nine at Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
The Chiefs are going to go to the Bills. I
think even Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Fans at this point know they're going to lose that game.
That's just kind of what happens. They lose in the
regular season and they never lose in the playoffs. You
got to just think at some point, nobody ever thought
Peyton was going to beat Brady. It'll never happen. It
did happen. It happened in two thousand and six. He
got him in Indianapolis. Brady throws a pick to Marlon Jackson
at the end of the game. At some point, probably
(01:00):
maybe it'll happen, but the fact that he has done
it multiple times, I mean, I can't pick the rest
of these guys, even Lamar. I would go with Josh
Allen just because it maybe regular season a postseason can
happen eventually. I think you can compare the ability, and
that's really fun. I don't like comparing the statistical stuff I.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Just don't like.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
And I look at all these guys who have so
much respect for who like, by the way, Jamie, I,
I'm completely secure being the historian, completely secure with how
old I am. Like I watched Chris Carter play in
my dad's couch. I watch you Name It and anybody,
Andre A. Reid, all of these incredible Hall of famers
who I grew up watching, and like, we're so eager to.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Say they're the best. Jefferson's that, Jefferson's great.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Slow the bleep down on just saying he's gonna be
better than Randy Moss. Come on, Randy Moss is just done.
We're not like we're comparing him to wayite tittle. I'd
be happy to stand up for those guys, because again,
I don't think it's styles and talent, sure, but production
it's a very different thing.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
Guys, very different.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Harba did his job, Like last year was awesome. They
they fired the coach the year before, they bring in
the superstar and it completely worked. Eleven wins playoffs like
this is the Chargers, it's not the Chiefs. They had
to crawl before they can walk, and they crawled last year.
What's hasked to happen this year? This is very simple,
like Justin Herbert needs to join the conversation, and the
conversation is all right, Maybe he needs to join the club.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
You know the club.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's Mahomes, it's Allen, it's Burrow, and it's Lamar.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
That is the club. Where is Justin Herbert. He's huge,
he has a massive arm, he's crazy talented. He's now
very experienced in the league. But he has to join
the club this year if they're going to really do
something in the playoffs, and he's gonna have to join
the club. After one of the strangest, least talked about
playoff performances of the twenty first century, let's.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Get into this.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Last year, Justin Herbert was excellent, specifically excellent in taking
care of the ball. He threw three interceptions all season,
and he threw four in one playoff game. That is insane.
I've never heard of that before. That ball was high.
The first interception was terrible. It's the kind of thing
where it and the social media era and the air
(03:05):
of optics and QB tears and rankings that is devastating.
So a guy's reputation because here you are in the
biggest game of the year and you played the worst
game of your career. He's never had a game in
his life where he's thrown three interceptions. Never he threw
four in this game. And we're left, what do we
do with Justin Herbert? After that, we walk away and
we're like, damn, Justin looked pretty tight in that playoff game. Man,
(03:27):
it didn't look like yourself at all. So how we
supposed to judge you? And what happens with that game
is that was the Saturday Afternoon Texans Classic. You know,
it's wild Card weekend. It's Saturday, there's a game after
it on Saturday. There's a bunch of games on Sunday.
So by the time shows like us come on Monday morning,
we're not talking Chargers Texans anymore.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
It's just forgotten about poof like it never happened.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
It did happen. It's not that it was bad, it's
that he was just so strange. I can't believe what
I just saw. Three interceptions in seventeen games and four
in one game. It leaves you to make your own
conclusions about Herbert anything you want. He's not clutch, he choked,
he tensed up bright lights too much. Ready to subscribe
to those things yet, But I can't tell you for
(04:07):
sure that they're all wrong Justin Herbert. All I can
tell you is he played this great regular season last year.
Speaker 3 (04:12):
So it's almost like we have to fast forward.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I need to see Justin Herbert play a great playoff game,
because I don't even want to address the other playoff
game you had.
Speaker 3 (04:18):
Against Jacksonville a few years ago. It's not great.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
You were an AFC quarterback in twenty twenty five. The
rest of your peers are the Avengers. They're amazing. You
have to do superhero stuff in superhero moments, and he
has not yet. So when he starts doing that, maybe
we'll have the conversation. But until then, Jim Harbaugh, they
could bring in a Vince Lambar.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
It doesn't matter.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Herbert has to join the club, and right now he's
behind the velvet road.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Let's take it easy. Let's take it easy on these
young guys. I hate hearing about on pace.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
To this, everybody in this era is on pace to
do something. Randy Mosk, they would grab them, they would
driple team them, they would hit the quarterback. After he
throws different era, different sport almost entirely, So I don't
really think it's apples to apples.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
But the key to.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Justin Jefferson and what he gonna do, and we're gonna
watch Randy Moss here the key to it. Randy was
so good at it, he was so talented, but he also
had guys who could huck the ball.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
He comes into the league and it's Randall Cunningham.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
He goes to jeff George Dante Culpepper, even when he
went to the Raider, Brat.
Speaker 3 (05:19):
Johnson, a guy who won a Super Bowl. Even when
he went.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
To the Raiders, his quarterback was Kerry Collins, was a
really experienced veteran. And finally he goes to New England,
it's Tom Brady and by that point he's a first
ballot Hall of Famer. I'm looking at Jefferson now, Jeffers
going to his third quarterback in three years, and we don't.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
Know if JJ McCarthy's good. We have no idea.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So Justin Jefferson has all the talents and the ability,
and he's playing in the right air to shatter every record,
but it's going to depend on his quarterbacks. That again,
is why Jamar Chase has a massive advantage over him.
Jamar Chase indefinitely is gonna play with Joe Burrow, not
only his college quarterback, but Jefferson's as well. It's almost
unfair if you had to pick one right now, you
think it's gonna put up bigger numbers over the next
(06:00):
six seasons. I'll pick Jamar every single time because I
know Burrow can play. I don't know if JJ can play.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
JJ's going to be there in two years. It's the quarterback.
When you look at these guys, so many of the people,
even to fifty different quarterbacks and all these different teams,
and then you look at the true, true, true goat
who's miles away from ever Jerry Rice. It was just
Montana for years and then into young and then all
the later years. Who cares about that. You find your
(06:27):
guy and you stick with him. Jamar has his guy.
Rice found different, or rather Moss found different guys. I
don't know if Jefferson has his guy. I hope he does,
and he'll do fine even of thoughout. But to do
Randy Moss things, you got to find your guy, and
his success will depend on a lot on JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Listen.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
On the field, he was a wrestling heel, and he
had a reputation because.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
He earned the reputation. Dominicansu was on the line.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
I have to say, guys, I know why we showed
the highlight reel. We just showed them making strips and
all that stuff. But that highlight reel was like watching
Goodfellas on TMT.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
It's not really the same movie. It's highly different.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Okay, that was not the movie that I saw in
the theater.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
I remember and Dominic and Sue.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
As a rookie coming in with Detroit and Damn near
ripping Jake Dellom's head off. I think it might have
even been in a preseason game.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Like he was fierce.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
I remember him stepping on Aaron Rodgers with his cleats,
maybe accidental, probably not, and Rodgers like punched him like
in the hindquarters. Like Rogers had a lot of run
ins with Sue. He was this guy who enlightened, thoughtful
off the field, very intelligent, but on the field, like
on the line, over the line.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
And I'm an estalgised. I missed those players. I think
we need those players sometimes.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
But he did some really real really brutal, dicey stuff,
and that was part of what made him cool. There
was a theatrical part to it where he was quote
unquote evil as a football player and didn't care about
being nice.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
I'll miss that, and there's just not much of that anymore.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
Happy for the Jets, Happy for both the players that
they've signed in this offseason. It's a really really cool
thing when the guys you draft turn out to be
something good.
Speaker 3 (08:03):
I just have to know what's next now.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
All right, because you don't get any credit for signing
players in the win column. You don't get any parades.
And I go back to these photographs. Let's go back
and look at these two players. Garrett and Sauce will
always be linked. And this is an NFL honors after
their rookie year. And this was the coolest Jets moment
in a long time, because, oh my god, they swept
the Rookie of the Year, they got the offense prookiear
(08:27):
the Defensive Rookie of the Year, and that is tremendous
credit to them. In the NFL draft, which is a
very difficult thing that so many people mess up. They
stuck the landing that year and they got those two guys.
Since that photograph was taken, the Jets are twelve and
twenty two. They've won twelve games and they've lost twenty
two since.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
That photographs had taken.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
The coach is gone, the GM is gone, all the
coordinators are gone. They've finished third behind the Dolphins and
the Bills two years in a row.
Speaker 3 (08:56):
And still the last Jets playoff one was.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
When both those guys holding those trophies were in fifth grade.
I'm glad that they have a very good and I'm
glad that they have a very good receiver. Do we
have anything even approaching a good quarterback? Because in the
time since those pictures were taken, NFL honors Zach Wilson,
Mike White, Joe Flecko, Chris Drevler, Trevor Simmy and Tim Boyle,
Aaron Rodgers, and now Justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Is he gonna actually do anything? Are we gonna win here?
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Because as much as I like seeing Garrett, Wilson and
Sauce holding those Rookie of the Year trophies, it's been
a few years now. I would love to see them
holding some T shirts at the end of the season
that maybe say, oh, Division champs or just a turkey
leg or a Netflix jacket or just anything after a game.
Can you have a conversation with Tracy Wolfson after a
(09:44):
game that matters that you won.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
They're three and seven in prime time since those pictures
were taken, so listen.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Great, you stuck the landing a few years ago.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
You signed your players.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
I'd need to see some sort of progress, anything other
than we signed guys and then we're paying them a
lot of money and they're good. We've had those guys.
We know what they're like on the field. We know
what you're like with them on the field. I can't
do backflips here in New York City because Sauce and
Garrett are signed. I'll do backflips when they're actually playing
the game that matters in December and it's really time,
(10:15):
So great job. I hate to be such a cynic,
but it's really time to start winning with those guys
now that you're paying I actually really like this quote
from Lawrence, just as a fan, like I've been waiting
for this quote from Lawrence. I've been waiting for him
to say I'm tired of this crap. I think you
need to hear that this is a guy who was
looked at as the guy who's going to change the sports,
the greatest prospects since this and this, and it's just
(10:37):
it's just been middling at best. And they've done everything
they can possibly do. Now. Two years ago they draft
to tackle. Last year, they draft a wide receiver. This
year they trade everything to draft the perfect weapon. They
have the offensive coach. Now, it's like Trevor, if.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Not now, when when are we going to see even like.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
A fraction of our expectations from you? Because he's down there.
You know, he can sit down there in media market
thirty two where most of the country doesn't care, most
of Flora that doesn't care, and they could go seven
and ten this year and no one would bat and
I to finally hear something from him as a sentient
leader who's not plugged into the wall and said, I'm
(11:16):
sick of this craft so much.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I'm paraphrasing.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
I'd like to hear him say that, I'd like to
see him play like that. I'd like to see anything
of substance from this era in which everything now has
been surrounded with him and they're just sitting by watching
the Texans every year become the new cool thing and c. J.
Stroud be coming with Trevor. Lawrence was supposed to be.
He's very young, he's a lot of football in front
of him. But I like, let's guts, let's go, and
I'm tired of this. I've been waiting to hear this
(11:40):
from Lawrence, and I hope we'll hear more. The Terry McLaurin
body language is terrible only because the Terry McLaurin body
language is usually so good. He's usually so charismatic and upbeat.
He looks beating down. He does not look good. He
does not look happy, but maybe he looks dug in.
I would also say, I'm going to be so mad if,
like twenty minutes from now or twenty days from now,
I see some Ian Rappaport tweet that Terry McLain has
(12:02):
been traded to the Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I'm gonna be pissed at that happens. I don't want
that to happen.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
That'd be like a football crime.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
I want him to be there. It's also complicated, like.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
The record has scratched for the commanders who have been
in this montage mode of this beautiful run, and the
new owner is so well liked and the new GM
is doing so great and they drafted the right quarterback. Well,
I don't know. Terry mclaurin's been around for a long time.
He preempts the owner, he preempts the GM. He goes
back from the dark era. So, if you're a Commander's fan,
(12:33):
are you team McLaurin like Manty San?
Speaker 3 (12:36):
Are you like you know what I roll with.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Josh Harris and Adam Peters Like, I'm gonna trust their
business acumen and their decisions.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Here's what I do know, and I'll try to end
with a thread of optimism. These things usually get taken
care of. I really do think they usually work out.
Whether we thought Debo would never play with the Niners again,
they signed him. And it's not just a Niners thing.
Typically you don't see star player just completely discarded.
Speaker 3 (13:03):
I think that get it done.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
But geez, I mean, thirty years old, thirty million, he's
a really good player. I think probably that the fans
are maybe a little bit more with ownership in the
GM since they've been so great in the last few years.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
The point is that Tyreek is still in his career.
Speaker 2 (13:20):
He's still a young man, all time great that means,
you know you're a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
You're in the.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Conversation in a handful of the greatest ever. It's TBD
with Tyreek. And that's what I think is interesting about
Tyreek right now. Fascinating portion of his career as we
move forward. He has played nine seasons. All time greats
and first ballot Hall of Famers are made in the
back half of their careers. It's the Michael Jordan learning
(13:49):
the turnaround jump shot portion of their careers. So I
will compare him now. He just finished his ninth season.
He'd be starting his ten this year. Tenthist here Tyreek.
Randy Moss from season ten to the rest of his
career had fifty six more touch downs. Teraroll Owens had
fifty eight more touchdowns.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Jerry Rice had eighty two.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
More touchdowns just starting on season ten. And a couple
of those guys, especially Moss and TiO, did it with
a whole bunch of different quarterbacks. They did not just
lock in and ride with one legend. So what I'm
saying for Tyreek is it's all in front of you.
You could be an all time great. I don't think
he is now he's not an all time great. He's
a great player, but Tyreek has it in front of him.
(14:32):
If he can find a way in the back half
of his career to do with these guys like Moss
and Owens and Rice did, which has continue to develop
and evolve, he could be an all time great. If
he slows down a little bit and he doesn't have
those other gears, and he's a pretty small guy, then
he'll just be this awesome, awesome player from the twenty
tens and twenty twenties who went.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
With Mahomes and on and on. All time great is
in front of him. We'll see what he does with it.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
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