October 28, 2025 • 41 mins
Hour One of the Good Morning Football Podcast begins with the Chiefs win over the Commanders. Hosts Jamie Erdahl, Manti Te'o, Isaiah Stanback, and Rashad Jennings explore how the tush push was called against the Giants. What does the breakfast table think of the fashion choices from thie weekend? Plus, Super Bowl Champion Lawrence Guy drops by to talk about retiring and the resurgence of the Patriots.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
This is Good Morning Football presented by Old Trapper Beef Jercates. Tuesday,
October twenty eighth, Roll Called Jamie Arnal presents Mantai Tail,
Isaiah stand Back, I am.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Here, RuSHA, Jimmy's good to see.
Speaker 4 (00:26):
Kyle Brandt absent. He's on the road.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
He is doing a work project, which means that we
have a highlights lookout for Monday Night Football. We already
did angry runs. The business was taken care of yesterday.
One of us is wearing a bowlo tie.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It's GMFB on a Tuesday. Is that what that's all
we shall?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah? Work, Yeah, that's that'll work.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah, here we go, roll it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Welcome Good Morning Football, presented by Old Trapper. Gosh it
was just lost sleep over incorrectly calling Rashond Jennings fashion
accessory something wrong?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Cowboy tie? You feeling like a cowboy today?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Ye? Early this morning, early this morning. You've got an
actual cowboy here though.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. No, we're actually you are
You are with the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
You played for the Cowboys, you are employed by them
on most day of the week, and now you have
to answer to them within the NFC East, which we'll
do in the second hand.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
We will definitely talk about this.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Okay, let's do it. Let's do it. There was a
game last night, speaking of the NFC East.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The Commanders had been dealt with injuries as of late.
Their quarterback was not in some of their pass catchers were,
and my gosh, Terry mclarn was fighting for his life
last night when it came to keeping the ball in
bounds and challenging catches.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
There are the two qbs, Pat Mahomes and Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Daniels out, so Marcus Mariota is in first quarter No
Sport Commanders opening drive.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
This did not bode well for the Commanders frankly or
the Chiefs in the first half.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Truly a tale of two halves.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Look at this ball popped off the hands of dB
Samuel Mike Dana right place, right time, his first career interception.
Second quarter now still scoreless, kind of a snooze. Just
wait for the World Series. That thing ended at two am.
This thing was done in regulation. Mahomes, same tipball drill
they needed that? What was that little giant with the
guy with the sticky on his hand. Yeah, they needed
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out of the process, Yes, exactly. Travis Kelsey really unlike him.
Ball pops out of his hand, brought in by Bobby Wagner.
Next drive, Mahomes to Kelsey, goes right back to him.
Big moments called for Travis Kelcey, especially on the tail
end of National Tight Ends weekend, whatever that holiday was called.
And then you go to Kareem Hunt one yard line,
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punched this thing in Chiefs take a seven to nothing lead.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
That was Hunt's fourth Russian TV on the season.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Now Mariota again, look at this Airmail drops this thing
in perfectly. The official on the boundary calls him out
of bounds like this has to be fully negated because
of what he sees. But mccarren drops all ten toes
in then catches the ball. Good for a catch, good
for a time on.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
That's what I'm saying, Troy Aikman, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Seven to seven at the half now becomes a chief
second half, Mahomes drops back and who does he find?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Trash Kelsey up to side. You guys have to have
somebody within the first ten.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yards of this dude, otherwise, he just rumbles up the
sideline damage control good for a first down. That was
a thirty eight yard gain. Four plays later, Mahomes finds
Kareem Hunt to breaks three of the defensive scheme for
the Commanders. That's Hunt's eighth receiving career game with a
rushing and.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
A receiving touchdown. Eight time. He's done that, fourteen to
seven lead for the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Later, next drive breaks through up the middle, finds Juju
Smith Schuster over the middle for a big time pick
up twenty.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Four yard gain.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Mahomes just wheeling in the second half. Six plays later,
who does he find in the end zone? Travis, Guys,
this one was really cool. But until last night, Priest
Holmes had the record for the Chiefs for most touchdowns
and franchise.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
History at eighty three. That was number eighty.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Seven's eighty third career touchdown as a Chief.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
He's happy, he's bopping the.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Significant others of the thrower and the catcher are really
thrilled up in the suite twenty one to seven. Now
insuing Commander's drive. You guys, McLaren did it again. This
time they say no, no, no, that's not a catch.
And they say, actually it is incomplete, like jame.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Ganniel's like, no, no, no, it is. I'm convinced mclauren
was all in last night.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
However, it didn't result in points because Marioto Manti challenged.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
He played solid for the first the first half, and
then the Chiefs defense started to figure it out a
little bit and came to play the second half.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah, I did. Now look at this. You don't want
to see Mahomes dancing like this.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
You got Javon Kinlock going full blown parallel to the
ground trying to dive for him. Kim Lack, you gotta
be able to do more than the shoe string tackle
against Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I love the effort.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It didn't result in anything great with the Commanders, as
Noah Gray picks up the first down on a fifteen
yard game five plays later, twenty one to seven to score.
At this moment, until Rashi Rice finds an eighteen yard
TV Chiefs are going to win this one twenty eight
to seven. Commanders lose their third straight game. They fall
to three and five, and the Chiefs, despite everybody losing
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their minds at the start of the season, looked mighty fine,
especially in the second half of that game on Monday
Night Football.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
It is the completion of week eight, So.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Let's check in with Patrick Mahomes as he assesses the
state of.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
The nation for the Chief straight I think we're getting
better and better.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
You know.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
We lost some tough games early that we had won
in previous years. But it's not a game when he
hung their head. They just continue to get better and better.
And that's all we have to do is is push
forward and whenever the offense to defense and the special
team droll. And it's fun to play football, and it's
been fun to get to be here at Arrowhead doing it,
and now we'll get to take it on the road
and see if we can do it again.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
I thought we came out well, you know. I thought
our guys battled and at the end of the day,
like when you're not converting our drives against this type
of team, it's tough because they'll get going. And I
thought our defense did a great job of holding it
off and making plays, creating turnovers.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
We just didn't do our part in office.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It would be mean to the commanders to call this
a blowout, but it was a one sided game, especially
in the second half in the hands of the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Isaiah.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
What caught your eye from the way Kansas City was
able to take over in the final two quarters.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
The Washington Commanders were competitive. Yeah, right, they were really competitive.
I know we sat here and had a brief conversation
about them yesterday, and you guys were all in on
the Chiefs, and I had my points in regards it
at Washington Commanders. It's because I believe that they're a
good team. I believe that they're a competitive team, regardless
of Jaydon Daniels is in there playing or as Mariota.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
The reality is these guys.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Were in that ball game for the first half, right,
and you can't play one half of football in the NFL,
especially when you're playing against a outfit like the can't
see the Chiefs. But as we look at it, you
guys right here, this was Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
In the first half or second half.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Through the first half, the Cancity Chiefs went interception, interception, touchdown,
and then they ran out of time in the first half.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's what that was their first four series.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
But then on the second half, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, punt.
Look at the statistics for Patrick Mahomes. It just turned
out completely different. And on the flip side, the Washington Commanders,
their first four possessions was interception, turnover our downs, turnover
on downs, touchdown, and then in the second half punt punt, punt, interception.
You can't play like that. There was no rushing game
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whatsoever for the commander. So if you don't, if you
can't go out and have an effect the running game
against facts that he's just going to pin his ears
back and sending the gooles after they come get the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
And that's exactly what took place yesterday. Sixty yards on
the ground.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Mariota did what he could with seventy percent completion rate,
but ultimately they couldn't convert over on downs and they
didn't have enough weapons.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I know it sounds patronizing for the Commanders, but for
them to pick off, whether it be a deflective ball
or whatnot, Mahomes in the first half, but it didn't
result in points.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
That turnover on downs was huge.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
You gotta convert, you got to lose put three on
the board.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Just to be a threat for shot.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And that's just not how it panned out for the Commanders,
exactly and you look.
Speaker 8 (08:07):
At the game last night. You check out Hollywood Brown
obviously hit his hands. Yeah, we turned into an interception.
Travis Kelcey hit his hands, turned into an interception. When
you're playing against the Kansas City Chiefs, especially on the
road like that, you really have to take advantage of
the advantages.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
That you get. And they didn't.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
They didn't capitalize, they didn't put the they didn't get
a field goal unit out there. I understand going four
to four to six, you don't complete. I understand going
to four and four for one, But when you got
debo as you see right here, interception on a pitch
and catch easy first down in the red zone, it
kind of changes the momentum.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
We talked about this a little bit before.
Speaker 8 (08:41):
Momentum is a big deal when you're playing against a
heavy handed franchise like the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
On the road, and they lost that.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
And when you lose momentum, I mean, you lose the
outfit of the game.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
As you're seeing Yeah, I mean you know you are
both of your points. I mean, say you talked about
the Commanders played well last night, especially on the defensive
side of the ball. We're not mentioning that Marshawn Lotmore
had one of the best interceptions in the first half.
So you talk about two halves. What did I take
from the game. This is what I took. The Colts
are the best team in the AFC. That's what I took, right.
The Chiefs are still very good. The Chiefs are going
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to be in the playoffs. The Chiefs are playing right
now at a very scary level. The inconsistencies as far
as the drop passes that equate to turnovers, the run
game that they're still trying to figure out. They have
a three aheaded monster, matter of fact, two and a
half headed monster with Brishard Smith the rookie that they're
still trying to figure things out. The past game looks amazing.
I mean, as long as you have fifteen back there,
(09:35):
Patrick Mahomes, He's slicing and dice into so many different targets.
Having Rushi Rice back has been such a blessing that
defense continues to carry the inconsistencies.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
There is what I took.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
From the game, right, And the only thing that I
took that was anything different was where I had the
Chiefs and what I thought they were going to do
to a Commander's team that didn't have Jade and Daniels.
I didn't see that. And because I didn't see that
the Colts are the best team in AFC. That doesn't
take away anything for the Chiefs or the Commanders. Ill
was the way that the Coats are playing as a whole.
(10:09):
You said, Taylor two has We don't have that conversation
with the Coats.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It's a full game.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
It's a full four quarters of stuff from White of
guys that Chiefs played two different himes.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
People are like, hold up, I'm looking at a score
bug down here of Chiefs, Commanders and Manti's Like the
Faults are the best team in the AFC.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
No, it's a good standard to set. I think it's important.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
And also the Chiefs I are still looking up at
the Denver Broncos right now in the standings in the
AFC West, So that is something to consider down the stretch.
You mentioned one name that has returned for this Chiefs offense, Manti,
and that's for she Rice Isaiah. What have you seen
in his return and the way that Patrick Holmes is
able to rely on him?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
He is the big time receiver. I mean, you call
it what it is they missed his presence. Now he's there,
they can get the ball to him whenever they remeever
they want to because of the guys that they also
have that you have to be concerned about. You have
to be concerned with Travis Kelsey. You have to be
concerned with the downfield threat.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Of Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
You have to be the concern with obviously with a
Juju Smith Schuster and his speed of the Hollywood Brown.
Those guys have the speed. So it allows Rashid Rice
to really be that possession guy. Not calling him a
possession receiver because he can do a lot more, but
he's he could be all over the field.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
He could be at the five yard mark.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He could be your intermediate game, and he could be
your deep threat. This dude was nine for nine yesterday.
You the ball to him nine times. He had nine
receptions for ninety three yards in a touchdown. You know
who else had who had ninety nine yards?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Travis Kelce.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Travis Kelsey had had ninety nine yards and a touchdown.
So when you're so concerned with so many guys and
you have so many weapons, they can't key in on you.
So Rashid Weiss and any other offense, you would have
to lock in on him and say we're.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Double team in that guy.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
We're taking him out, or we're putting our number one
defensive back and recovering him. But with this offense, when
you have so many weapons, you have to disperse that
and you have to play even keel and when you
do that, then he could go out there and.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Torch SoSE you talked about him as specifically as a
wide receiver. We saw last night he even ran wildcat,
you know what I mean? So Andy Reid and Patrick
Mahomes is like they finally have their toy back.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
You know, It's like, now we can do what we
want to do. Now we can be the offense that
we always wanted to be.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Just put him at the slow let's have him run
the screens, Let's put him at wildcat.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Let's put him at running back.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
There are even formations where he was at running back
in Bersard Smith was that whiteout at the number one
wide receiver. So you talk about the impact that one
guy can have, you see how they move him in
this offense. They have n't at wildcat. They have a receiver,
they have at running back. I mean, heck, the guy
can basically do anything on the offensive side of the ball,
and it has looked different for Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
He looks a lot more comfortable. Like that big.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Touchdown that that big game by Travis kelce that they
had was a broken play. Like when is Travis kelce
ever blocking, Well, Travis Kelcey is blocking. You have that
luxury of Travis kelce standing blocking. When you have her
she Rice running routes out there, Now you can have
Travis Kelcey leak out late. So there's so many different
aspects to the Chiefs offense that I see now that
Rareshie Rice is back that they didn't have before.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Again, not to be overlooked, Travis Kelcey now has the
next twelve or thirteen weeks to become the all time
touchdown receiving leader for the Kansas City Chiefs, which is
really incredible and it speaks to his career that he's
had with both Alex Smith at quarterback and Patrick Mahomes.
He has eighty three touch down catches last night, six
catches good for ninety nine yards.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Let me tell you something, Rashad.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Would it terrify you to know that in all the
Chiefs trials and tribulations that they've been through this season.
They've never had a one hundred yard receiver in a game.
That's terrifying, right, the way that they can peanut butter
out of all this season.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
When you think about it that way, it is bizarre.
I mean, you think about Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
In a backfield throwing the ball to everybody, and they
haven't had one hundred. But that also speaks to one
Spags playing well on defense. They're able to disperse the
ball to everybody. Everybody's a part of this offense. They're
like so, and y'all understand this, especially you on the
offensive side of the balls. And when we are watching film,
there's an expectation to be ready for your name to
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be called.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
But a lot of times if you're second string, third string,
sometimes you like, I ain't gonna get in this week.
Speaker 8 (13:53):
Every single person with the Kansas City Chiefs, whether your first, third,
or fourth, you have to be ready because it's just
we're rolling.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
We rolling, and that keeps everybody healthy. You don't know
who's when S four Hunt.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
Comes out of nowhere gets two touchdowns, next week, you
don't really hear them, and then the next week you
get two more touchdowns and you don't know where it's
coming from. This system is ran by because of Patty
Mahomes and it's so efficient. So I love rice back,
I love what they're doing, and obviously I'm with you. You
said something that's kind of like, oh, all right, though,
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the Colts are the top dog, and until we see
anything different, we got to call it like that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
But yeah, I was just gonna come.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I just wanted to add on to that point. When
you're in this offense with these weapons, with that offensive coordinator,
everybody's an option, right, So as a quarterback coming up
to the line of scripts, I'm gonna give you all a
little bit of insight. Okay, if you only have one
primary receiver and maybe a couple guys, you know, second
or third stringers that can contribute from time to time,
but they only do one or two three things really well,
(14:54):
you find yourself in a situation where you're trying to
force the ball.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Or we're drawing up place specifically to get the ball
to our number one guy.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
But in this offense, Andy reeves drawing up place, four
or five guys are getting out in routes and whoever
is open, that's where the ball goes and most likely
somebody's going to get open because all these guys are
capable of running route sufficiently, all these guys are capable
of catching the ball. All these guys are capable of
having the yak yardish yards have to catch. So when
you're Patrick Mahomes and you can step to the line
of scrimmage and you look across the formation, you realize
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there's a mismatch right there. There's a mismatch right there,
and there's a mismatch right there. I don't have to
be concerned with getting the ball to my number one guy.
I just get it to the best matchup on that
particular play.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Don't pull up the schedule, for the love of God.
Just listen to the way I describe what the Chiefs
have to deal with for the next four games. They
go to Buffalo next weekend, Right, big deal, whether it
or not, whether or not that thing goes well, then
they have to take a breath and think about it
for a week.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
They have a buye. Then they go to Denver.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Then they host those Colts, the aforementioned Colts. Short week
go to Dallas Thanksgiving Bill's Broncos Colts Dallas This will
be the ultimate test in the City Keeps this month
of November, and we shall see.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
We will check back in on this said first. Now
we'll talk about them before that.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Don't you worry.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Tom Bellisara Welcome in a GMFB RNFL Network insider with
us this morning.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Not great news from Minnesota Vikings and.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Someone who took a ton of hits across the street
here at SOFI against the Chargers last week.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
What's going on with the Vikings in the quarterback room?
Speaker 9 (16:21):
That's right, Jamie Carson Wentz is set to undergo surgery
on his left shoulder and miss the remainder of this season.
The injury actually occurred back in Week five in London
against the Browns. A dislocated shoulder also tore his laboram
and fractured the socket. Still played another two and a
half games with that bulky harness that you can see
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right there. He gutted it out as long as he could,
but it was obvious he was in severe pain on
Thursday night. For anybody wondering why was Carson Wentz playing,
I will give you a few points here.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
One it was his non throwing shoulder.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
This is not an injury that gets worse by playing
with it. Wentz wanted to play, and as long as
that remained the case, coaches felt that he gave them
the best chance to win. Remember, he did throw a
touchdown pass in that game against the Chargers, but every hit,
and sometimes even when he wasn't getting hit, clearly caused
him a ton of pain and discomfort. It eventually became
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too great now JJ McCarthy, even if Wentz we're healthy,
is healthy himself and ready for his opportunity. He is
going to start on Sunday against the Lions. The only
other quarterback on the Vikings roster is undrafted free agent
Max Brozemer. Possible that they could add a veteran to
that room at some point. In other quarterback news, Ravens
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quarterback Lamar Jackson officially listed as a full participant on
the estimated injury report on Monday, and yes, given the
circumstances of the past few days, you would anticipate that
is real full participation. They will have a brief practice today,
but John Harbaugh has already said he expects Lamar Jackson
to be on the field Thursday night against the Dolphins
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for the first time since he suffered a hamstring injury
against the Chiefs weeks ago. Meanwhile, Broncos All Pro cornerback Patzertan,
the reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year, suffered a
peck strain in Sunday's game. He is considered to be
week to week, which is not the worst situation here.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
When he came off.
Speaker 9 (18:20):
Grabbing that side of his chest, the immediate fears are
a potential season ending type injury.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
This is not that he is a.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
Candidate for injured reserve that would sideline him at least
four games. Something to monitor for the Broncos going forward,
But certainly, Jamie, it could have been worse.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
All right, Tom p, thank you so much. That could
have been worse.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But the Broncos need that guy back on defense, certain
because of what they have coming up this month and
in that division as well.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Pell Sarah, thanks so much. Isaiah.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
You made me laugh early in a segment he said
the term possession receiver, and then you're like, not that
he's a possession receiver? Is that offending a quarterback? Like
you're a game manager? Is it as offensive as watching
the tush push over and over and over again. This
has become a topic of discussion.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
In league circles.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Why do I feel like it's Groundhog Day saying this
this time last year about the Toush push.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
It stayed in the game, but Willis.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Has it become so controversial man site that finally a
change will be evoked upon this play and we will
not see it after the season.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
I don't know, Jane, We're gonna have to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Add More coming up.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
We also have Super Bowl champion and newly retired Yeah
in front of our show, Lawrence Guy. He joined GMTB
to discuss his former teams with surgeons in the AFC East.
That's coming up on GMTB on a Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
These guys they retire, they want to come in.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Let's go Laurence the tard crew too.
Speaker 10 (19:36):
Guy, Good morning football, Welcome back to GMFB.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Time for us to go for two.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
However, I warned the production booth that we might be
making a change to the line of scrimmage here. If
this conversation goes a certain way, we might have to
pull the offense off the field and put the kicking
team on.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
And just cover this one.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
People are passionate because we got to talk about the
Toush push. So We're gonna go back to the second
quarter of Theiants Eagles game on Sunday. The Giants were
not happy that Jalen Hurts his forward progress had been stopped,
therefore disallowing a fumble on the tush push. So many terms,
so many technicalities. The point is everyone and their mother
pretty much thought that that's a Giants ball right there.
(20:20):
The play had been stopped and the ball was given
back to the Eagles. Brian birds that came on Thibodeaux,
for example, voice their displeasure about the play being halted.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
I ain't gonna get fine, but the resume they called.
You know, it is tricky. You know, two weeks ago,
you know they allowed them to push the pole and
now you know we stopped the surge and you know
they blow the whistle quick and you know, Tims had
their heads up play by getting the ball out. I
really feel like that should have been a turnover.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
But you know, it's.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
A I don't know, it's just weird, weird play, weird call,
he said, they called. They called the ford progress before
he reached the ball out.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So it sounds like some book me.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
But you didn't hear a whistle, right, that's and that's
the hard part about the Toush push.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Oh yeah, sorry, I mean that was a great call
by the right.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Ryan Burns is like, no, I don't want to get fine.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It came on Tim and I was.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Like, great team. Put the letter in my locker, Lord,
bring it over here.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Oh my gosh. She's like, I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I heard that whistle very loud in there on Sunday
man time. Is the non fumble forward progress d D
D D D? Is this the final straw for the
Toush push?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I think it is. I think it.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Like listen the play itself when you the ford progress
thing is so confusing to me because I want to
throw to a little clip here from that game about
what they're discussing as far as is it reviewable or
not go ahead?
Speaker 11 (21:51):
They're ruling forward progress. To me, he is pushing forward,
he is reaching. That is an early whistle.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
In my opinion. Oh my god.
Speaker 11 (22:00):
And the key here is they ruled progress. The Giants
can't challenge. They could, but that ball would have to
come out immediately.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
We ruled forward progress on the play for a first down.
New York had challenged the play.
Speaker 9 (22:14):
I explained to them that since we ruled forward progress.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
There was no challenge on the play. It will be
first down Philadelphia. So if I heard that correctly, guys right,
So because of.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Ford Progress, there's no challenge, there's no you can't yeah,
the play with stuff, you can't challenge it. Right later
on in a day, same thing happens. So because of
Ford Progress, they said that they could review it, that
it was reviewable.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
So I don't know is it reviewable is it not?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
So when we're having these type of conversations about Ford
progress and one says, one game says that it is reviewable,
and the next game says that it isn't reviewable, it's
do we have it up?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Because I don't.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I don't want to explain something that the man explained.
Go ahead, let's run this thing real quick.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Now.
Speaker 12 (23:04):
I know they ruled forward progress. It is challengeable only
under the ruling that the contact when the contact is initiated,
the ball comes loose immediately.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
After review the ruling on the field of a completed
pass the forward progress there.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
So that's the confusion here, is like there's different inputs
about it, and I don't think we all know.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
The rules of Ford progress. When is it stopped.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
And the problem with the push push is there's never
a clear part when the momentum is stopped, and so
whether the whistle is blown earlier, whether it's blown late,
we can't decide that as people who are watching this game.
And so with all of that being said, I think
it has to go like, if we can't stop ford progress,
then whatever you're doing.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
At this point, I think it's important to remind ourselves
too that oftentimes what we see in forward progress is
when a rusher gets halted by just a gang of
guys on defense and he's pushing and he's pushing, and
then it's.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Like kind of awkward. Three yards have gone by.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Then he gets stopped for about three seconds and then
they're like, all right, enough, guys, let's not take each
other down.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's normally when forward progress is halted, not in the
immediacy of a play that we've seen run a thousand times.
So that I think is where people are having a
discernment issue with which is forward progress.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Is it a play that.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Is actively unfolding, or is it one where it just
gets a little awkward because everybody's just kind of standing
and hugging each other Isaiah.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, I have a lot of questions in regards to
the Tousch push, and there's really three points. When you
start talking about rules right and allowing judgments to happen.
My first thing is is there a safety concern? And
I think there is a safety concern whenever you look
at the line of scrimmage and they had that little
camera angle, I think we just had one and the
center snaps the ball, he.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Immediately puts his head down.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
The only way I can stop you is by spearing
you in the back of the head. So there's a
safety concern, right, So that's number one.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Is there an unfair advantage?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Absolutely, there's an unfair advantage that the offense can push
the defense can't push. That's a huge disadvantage. I think
there's this whole conversation would go away if the defense
was allowed to push, just as the running backs and
everybody else behind.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Are allowed to push the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
All right, And last, but not least, can it be
ruled on clearly? Well, we are able to identify and
that's not the case.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I tell you what, o'billy. That's the issue.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
It can't be ruled on clearly because on that particular play,
the one that is now bringing this conversation kind of
to ahead.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Jalen Hurts was reaching for a first down, right.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Had Thimbadau not touched the ball, they would allow him
to reach across and that would have been utilized to
give him the first down.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
But because Thibodeau took.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
The ball, they said no, no, no, no, no no, Philadelphia, No,
we know what you do.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
It's a first down. I mean, we just let you have.
Like the play's over, four progress has been stopped. Even
though the.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Whistle was blown after the ball was taken away, four
progress have been stopped. So to your point, Jamie, there's
inconsistencies there. So those are the three things that I
have questions about. Safety concerned. Yes, there's no there's no
safe way to stop that play. Number two, unfair advantage, absolutely,
defense can't push it. At number three, it can't be
ruled on. Clearly it's too much inconsistency. So in that case,
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I think the rules should be gone.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
As offensive coordinator of this segment, we already know we're
not getting to the second point here, so we're kicking
the extra point.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Rareshaw, We're staying on the toush push take your time,
my friend.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
All right, So it's a lot. This is a lot.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
This is something I stood on the table before the
season and said they need to get rid of it
for so many reasons. Now it's kind of you got
the smoking guy. You can't officiate it. It's slowing down
the game.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Now.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
A lot of people look into it just to see
what happens, right, are they going to get the first
down or not? But something to think about, just step back.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
For a second. It's just comical that you have Jayalen Hursts.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
You got somebody who's paid two hundred and fifty five
million dollars at the quarterback position, forty one million dollars
at the running back position.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
AYJ.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
Brown got close to one hundred million, and they get
together and say, hey, we just going you know, you
know why it's called push tush. You know what the
tush is for, right, you know? Butttos, So let's just
get together and just push this. I just don't like
it for the look of it, but I will have
to say this the other side of it, to defend
it a little bit. Is it you exploit team as
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a as a athlete, what do we do if you
have pooping the core as your wide receiver and you
got a third string dB trying to guard them, you're
gonna exploit that.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Look, right.
Speaker 8 (27:21):
If you're on the defensive side of the ball and
they got a third shren tout for, you're gonna blitz them, right,
And so what do we do?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
We exploit.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
So they found a way to exploit a play, and
I can't get mad because they do it better than
everybody else. But at the same time, we can't officiate
it at this point.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
So it's got to go.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's gone to places that we can't follow in terms
of all the reasons that you mentioned, but also there
was just an argument for like, it's not a football player. Now,
it's becoming a little awkward for how the game is played.
I'm for apper replay presented by Coles.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
On Sundays here in California, games kickoff at ten am.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Coles opens at nine.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I get a good hour in at Cole's before I
go home and watch the Gamesman time.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Jay, that's next level.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I know, I know, you know, you got to be
efficient about your day, you know what I mean. Clothes
brought to you by Coles Today probably not the same
to be said for the players because they fancy, all right,
Coles is fancy.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
But for us kind of people.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Let's look at what some of these guys have been
wearing from over the weekend, and we begin.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
With my foot.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
That guy, besides sweatpants, my favorite type of outfit, and
that's a Canadian tuxedo.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Jamar Chase, what did you do?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
You made a fancy though with the chain, with the hat.
He's not a wireless headphones guy, which is fine. And
there's something happening here. I don't know what that is.
But the Canadian tuxedo always tracks. You can dress it up,
you can dress it down, and if you're Jamar Chase,
you always look great doing it.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It always looks great.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Next, give me another one, Give me another one, guys.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Oh, it's what you call timeless.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Timeless? Devonte Smith. Look at a suit. You can't really
see it from this part, but it's plaid. He has
some some red piping, some red stitching, and the words
of my boy mark Ingram all in the details details
for that man is smooth.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
The thing that you and I have going on today, MANSI,
is that you and I look like we're at the
same party, right, those wide receivers, they look like they
are going to a high end fashion party.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I just don't know what party. Mccollins was invited to
Halloween party, Yes it was, but who was there? Because
I didn't see a lot of other costumes. This is mccollins.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
The bare feet is not even the strangest thing happening many.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
He's a chess piece.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
He's a chess piece.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
But he's also going to agno. He's only going to
agno Jamie soul this ship. Yeah, so you saying that
you go to close early. He had to arrive at
the game early because ain't no way he was able
to get from the parking lot to the stadium in
the right amount of time only going diagonal.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
So proud of himself, mccallins, everything he does, he's like,
you guys are going to talk about.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Me on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I know that well done, Wide Receivers, And I'm so
sorry that Halloween didn't fall on an appropriate day to
have more of this. But at least mac collins delivered
us one Halloween costume six days early that was out
at Replay, presented by Coles, who provided our office to day,
Like we mentioned, oh what fun it is to do
segments like this or and find holiday styles, gifts and
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more at Cole's.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
I'll be there and then with you Jane.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Sweet toss is it left side? This is Harvey Harvey
with a big run. RJ. Harvey is loose, touchdown, the
rookie RJ. Harvey, hardy yard house call, shotgun snapped. RJ.
Speaker 13 (30:23):
Harvey Harvey and.
Speaker 14 (30:23):
The wildcat takes it off right guard and he's got
his second touch down of the game.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
The versatile RJ.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
Harvey Harvey in the flat wide open Harvey gets it in,
tiptoes it at the end zone.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Touchdown did and for RJ. Harvey that is his third touchdown.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Well, what a weekend.
Speaker 15 (30:42):
And if you know a Cowboys fan, you might have
to check in on them, Isaiah, How you doing okay?
Speaker 4 (30:47):
All right? Yeah, he's okay.
Speaker 15 (30:49):
Cowboys fans having to buckle up a lot of ups
and downs this season. They failed to win back to
back games all year, and after allowing a season worst
forty four points in Week eight to the Broncos, as
we just saw, head coach Brian Schottenheimer had a sleepless
night trying to figure out how to write the ship.
Speaker 16 (31:08):
No one wants a win streak more than anybody in
this locker room, in this team room. You know, players
and coaches. You know we want to have a winning streak.
You know, to win a game and lose a game,
and win a game and lose a game sucks. I mean,
nobody wants that, but it's who we are right now,
and so you can sit there and be frustrated by it. Which,
believe me, I didn't sleep a wink last night. I
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tossed and turned all night. I played the game over
my mind a thousand times. Things I could have done, different,
things that could have done better. I will always look
at myself first. You will never hear me get up
here and not take responsibility, accountability for myself because as
the leader of this football team, that's my job and
work to do.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Is you look ahead two week nine.
Speaker 15 (31:45):
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Speaker 4 (32:34):
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December eighth. That's on ESPN two, Disney Plus, Disney Channel,
Disney XD and the ESPNPP. Well, coming up next, we
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have a friend of the show joining us, former defensive
tackle Lawrence s Guy percently announcing his retirement. Hanging it up,
but hey, we got in here coming up Auntie and
FB to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Good, moll.
Speaker 14 (33:27):
I want to look at my career. I look at
at the way that we should do it as a player.
I wasn't selfish. I didn't think about myself. I wanted
to make sure that the person next to me had
the same success that I did, because that person was
going to make sure I may play. I made plays
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for that person to make plays. And it's one of
those things that when you lay your head down at night,
you understand that you did what you could when you
could do it, and left it on the field.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Nearly two hundred games and a successful thirteen year career
as a dominant NFL D lineman. Friend of our show
proud to say that Lawrence Guy officially hung up the clease.
That was a clip from last Friday when the Super
Bowl champion signed a one day deal with New England
to retire as a Patriot, and today we got to
talk to him about it, about his next chapter.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
About New England.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Everything night, everybody.
Speaker 13 (34:28):
I'm talking to Shane.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I look young, a couple of years off, nice.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Before.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Well, I'm glad you're TV ready now, buddy, you are
officially retired. You have to get ready with your appearance game.
When you decided that it was the right time, what
brought you to that moment? That decision and why was
it so important for you to go out as a patriot.
Speaker 14 (34:54):
Well, already knew that I'm going to go out to
patriot And I was telling him if I would have
finished my thirteenth year, in my fourteenth year in New
England and I get that four teenth credit, I would
retired by one of that fourteenth credit. So soon I
got that fourteenth credit and I said like, look, this
is the situation I am. I reached the goal I
wanted to do it. I was going to go back
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to New England. Regardless of what I was going to do.
I was want to go back and retire there. That's
the organization that looked at me and said we're going
to water you. We're gonna let you grow. We understand
what you've been through, but it doesn't We're going to
make sure that you were successful. And that's what they did,
and they put all that energy into me and it
came out that made me a better man on the
field and off the field. And when you look at
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those memories I had on the field with Tom rob
with Devi and with Jason mccordy, it's one of those
things that you can never take for granted. It's just
a blessing. So me and my family say, hey, I
went to New England with a baby. I left New
England with two babies.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
That's awesome, Lawrence man talking about them helping you become successful.
Now they are being successful once again, obviously with a
six and two start out there with the Patriots. Drake
may is doing his thing. What do you like about
these Patriots right now as they stand right now at
the top of the AFCs.
Speaker 14 (36:13):
I like how they're competing. We saw the game unfolding
on Sunday. Let's just cut it how it is. Miles
here got five shots. You didn't see them start struggling
and doing They kept putting the foot to the gas,
like we're going to overcome what's going to be done.
And they're competing as a group and not individuals. Everybody's
having a good time. Anybody's playing for each other and
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you can see the competitives. I think they started the
game off, had an interception that didn't stop them, that
didn't tearritorm. They kept going and pushing, and I think
Mike came in there and brought this team together and said, look,
we understand what happened in the last couple of years.
We're going to change this organization around. Now, we're gonna
get the foot back on that gas. We're going to
continue to roll. And you can see that from the
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beginning of the season with some of the miss up,
the fumbles, the mistackles into what they're doing now if
it's driving that bus.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Well, O G.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
You talked about guys playing for each other. You also
mentioned it in your speech that you did about playing
for the person next to you.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Was there a teammate that.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
You played with that that was especially true that when
you line up on the field next to him, You're like,
I know that I'm gonna play for this man, and
I know that they're going to play for me, Danny.
Speaker 14 (37:21):
Shelton, Me Danny Shelton, And in reality it was a
me and him. In twenty nineteen, we had Adam Butler
that did all the finessing pass for us, but me
and Danny with the run and I think we both
finished that season if I'm not mistaken. It was sixty
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two tackles, so sixty three tackles, two sacks or three
sacks two fourths from each two form of recoveries, and
I had one interception. Our stats was to say, that's
pretty much it. I just got them by the interception
by making Baker Mayfield, thank you appreciate that. I guess
when you put the Browns, but those stats right there
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if you really look at the statue like you guys
did this together. We were playing off of each other,
and I understood his weaknesses as he understood my weaknesses,
and we went back and forth, back and forth, and
it was an amazing experience. To the point I'll never
forget that our exit physicals.
Speaker 13 (38:21):
Bill came up to the room.
Speaker 14 (38:22):
He like, what you guys were ever were able to
do this year was impressive and he had hadn't had
two groups of players that I was able to do
that before because it was It was a unique year
and it was a fun year. But hey, that's my brother.
He can't do no wrong. He helped me out. I
know him since he was coming out to college, coming
out of college to the draft. We did everything that
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year to just do it for each other. Like I said,
best teammate, I could probably have it in lie next
two with him.
Speaker 13 (38:50):
We already looked out for each other.
Speaker 8 (38:52):
My guy's good saying you and I'm gonna get some
advice from you later on after the show about how
to grow a beer like that because I need one.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
But you definitely were.
Speaker 8 (39:00):
You were the Keeper of Light in Fossborough on Sunday
and the continue this win streak.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
What was that experience like?
Speaker 14 (39:08):
But the Keeper Alight is amazing because when you go
up there, you can see everything Boston, Rhode Island, the eye,
like the trees, the skyline was beautiful. But they said, hey,
you can't hear nothing. I'm like, okay, I get it.
The comps went down. I'm like, okay, we cut the combs.
I'm like, what am I supposed to do this? They
ring it three times. I'm like, I got you. They
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didn't tell me the bell might break. They said it
was a steady bell. I'm like, what do you mean?
So I'm over there hitting the bell and the stand
almost cracked on me. But it was an amazing experience.
Speaker 13 (39:40):
We love. I loved it.
Speaker 14 (39:41):
I love seeing this standum from a new point of view,
I would say, it's a tradition.
Speaker 13 (39:45):
I'm glad I got to be a part of.
Speaker 14 (39:46):
And if you're able to go to New England and
you're able to be the keep her a Light, trust
me that it's an experience to do, and I'm glad
that they got that win. If they wouldn't a guy that,
I don't think they would have wolcomed me back to
the thing because it's like, look, I'm gonna crunk the
bell and.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
We're lost, Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Are so happy for you, honestly, but just tell the
truth here on GMFB.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
You shaved your heads.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
You could really become the third McCarty brother like you
felt it. You're fully destined to be. We love the
friendship that you guys.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Have going on.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
As always, the McCarty family close to us, but I
think they may take issue with the fact that you
said Danny Shelton's name so fast when it came to
lining up with a teammate.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
What is going on The McCarty's are on the phone, LG.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
You got to become a little bit more political if
you're going to retire and enter the TV life.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
My friends, Hey, all I got to.
Speaker 14 (40:35):
Say is when you look at the mccordy, you're right.
They want to be like me, so they keep the
hair shaved. With the vice versa. They said, look, we
shaved our head. We want you to join us. I'm like,
I don't want to join you. I still got hair
and if I know you're receiving a little bit byke here,
I said, kid, I'm going to tell you this. And
Devil tat this too. Were looking at me like, hey,
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you know if you mess up that running back when
to get to me. I said, yeah, I'm just still
going to apologize. I said, but we're good enough, actually
gonna accept my apology. He said yeah, And that happened
in the Ravens was over there in Baltimore.
Speaker 13 (41:11):
I swam the gap. I thought it was a past
it was. He took me for a ride. We hit
the ground. I looked at him.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I like, my.
Speaker 14 (41:20):
Bad just stopped me in them because we were going.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Lawrence, you're the man.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
We're so happy for you, the longevity of your career
and your family as well as it continues to expand.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
We love you, man.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
We can't wait to see again on GMFB. Happy for
you the newly retired Lawrence guy. Everybody a Super Bowl
Champion graduate.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Absolutely don't come back out of retirement, man, Yeah, don't
pull a BG on us.
Speaker 8 (41:46):
Yeah, yeah, that's what said too.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Congrats brother,
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Speaker 4 (00:26):
Kyle Brandt absent. He's on the road.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
He is doing a work project, which means that we
have a highlights lookout for Monday Night Football. We already
did angry runs. The business was taken care of yesterday.
One of us is wearing a bowlo tie.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
It's GMFB on a Tuesday. Is that what that's all
we shall?
Speaker 3 (00:41):
Yeah? Work, Yeah, that's that'll work.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Yeah, here we go, roll it.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Welcome Good Morning Football, presented by Old Trapper. Gosh it
was just lost sleep over incorrectly calling Rashond Jennings fashion
accessory something wrong?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Cowboy tie? You feeling like a cowboy today?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Ye? Early this morning, early this morning. You've got an
actual cowboy here though.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Yeah, that's true, that's true. No, we're actually you are
You are with the Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
You played for the Cowboys, you are employed by them
on most day of the week, and now you have
to answer to them within the NFC East, which we'll
do in the second hand.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
We will definitely talk about this.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Okay, let's do it. Let's do it. There was a
game last night, speaking of the NFC East.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
The Commanders had been dealt with injuries as of late.
Their quarterback was not in some of their pass catchers were,
and my gosh, Terry mclarn was fighting for his life
last night when it came to keeping the ball in
bounds and challenging catches.
Speaker 4 (01:46):
There are the two qbs, Pat Mahomes and Jayden Daniels.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Daniels out, so Marcus Mariota is in first quarter No
Sport Commanders opening drive.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
This did not bode well for the Commanders frankly or
the Chiefs in the first half.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Truly a tale of two halves.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Look at this ball popped off the hands of dB
Samuel Mike Dana right place, right time, his first career interception.
Second quarter now still scoreless, kind of a snooze. Just
wait for the World Series. That thing ended at two am.
This thing was done in regulation. Mahomes, same tipball drill
they needed that? What was that little giant with the
guy with the sticky on his hand. Yeah, they needed
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out of the process, Yes, exactly. Travis Kelsey really unlike him.
Ball pops out of his hand, brought in by Bobby Wagner.
Next drive, Mahomes to Kelsey, goes right back to him.
Big moments called for Travis Kelcey, especially on the tail
end of National Tight Ends weekend, whatever that holiday was called.
And then you go to Kareem Hunt one yard line,
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punched this thing in Chiefs take a seven to nothing lead.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
That was Hunt's fourth Russian TV on the season.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Now Mariota again, look at this Airmail drops this thing
in perfectly. The official on the boundary calls him out
of bounds like this has to be fully negated because
of what he sees. But mccarren drops all ten toes
in then catches the ball. Good for a catch, good
for a time on.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
That's what I'm saying, Troy Aikman, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Seven to seven at the half now becomes a chief
second half, Mahomes drops back and who does he find?
Speaker 4 (03:21):
Trash Kelsey up to side. You guys have to have
somebody within the first ten.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Yards of this dude, otherwise, he just rumbles up the
sideline damage control good for a first down. That was
a thirty eight yard gain. Four plays later, Mahomes finds
Kareem Hunt to breaks three of the defensive scheme for
the Commanders. That's Hunt's eighth receiving career game with a
rushing and.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
A receiving touchdown. Eight time. He's done that, fourteen to
seven lead for the Chiefs.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
Later, next drive breaks through up the middle, finds Juju
Smith Schuster over the middle for a big time pick
up twenty.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Four yard gain.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Mahomes just wheeling in the second half. Six plays later,
who does he find in the end zone? Travis, Guys,
this one was really cool. But until last night, Priest
Holmes had the record for the Chiefs for most touchdowns
and franchise.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
History at eighty three. That was number eighty.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
Seven's eighty third career touchdown as a Chief.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
He's happy, he's bopping the.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Significant others of the thrower and the catcher are really
thrilled up in the suite twenty one to seven. Now
insuing Commander's drive. You guys, McLaren did it again. This
time they say no, no, no, that's not a catch.
And they say, actually it is incomplete, like jame.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
Ganniel's like, no, no, no, it is. I'm convinced mclauren
was all in last night.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
However, it didn't result in points because Marioto Manti challenged.
Speaker 5 (04:44):
He played solid for the first the first half, and
then the Chiefs defense started to figure it out a
little bit and came to play the second half.
Speaker 4 (04:50):
Yeah, I did. Now look at this. You don't want
to see Mahomes dancing like this.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
You got Javon Kinlock going full blown parallel to the
ground trying to dive for him. Kim Lack, you gotta
be able to do more than the shoe string tackle
against Mahomes.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
I love the effort.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
It didn't result in anything great with the Commanders, as
Noah Gray picks up the first down on a fifteen
yard game five plays later, twenty one to seven to score.
At this moment, until Rashi Rice finds an eighteen yard
TV Chiefs are going to win this one twenty eight
to seven. Commanders lose their third straight game. They fall
to three and five, and the Chiefs, despite everybody losing
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their minds at the start of the season, looked mighty fine,
especially in the second half of that game on Monday
Night Football.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
It is the completion of week eight, So.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
Let's check in with Patrick Mahomes as he assesses the
state of.
Speaker 6 (05:38):
The nation for the Chief straight I think we're getting
better and better.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
You know.
Speaker 6 (05:42):
We lost some tough games early that we had won
in previous years. But it's not a game when he
hung their head. They just continue to get better and better.
And that's all we have to do is is push
forward and whenever the offense to defense and the special
team droll. And it's fun to play football, and it's
been fun to get to be here at Arrowhead doing it,
and now we'll get to take it on the road
and see if we can do it again.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
I thought we came out well, you know. I thought
our guys battled and at the end of the day,
like when you're not converting our drives against this type
of team, it's tough because they'll get going. And I
thought our defense did a great job of holding it
off and making plays, creating turnovers.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
We just didn't do our part in office.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
It would be mean to the commanders to call this
a blowout, but it was a one sided game, especially
in the second half in the hands of the Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Isaiah.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
What caught your eye from the way Kansas City was
able to take over in the final two quarters.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
The Washington Commanders were competitive. Yeah, right, they were really competitive.
I know we sat here and had a brief conversation
about them yesterday, and you guys were all in on
the Chiefs, and I had my points in regards it
at Washington Commanders. It's because I believe that they're a
good team. I believe that they're a competitive team, regardless
of Jaydon Daniels is in there playing or as Mariota.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
The reality is these guys.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Were in that ball game for the first half, right,
and you can't play one half of football in the NFL,
especially when you're playing against a outfit like the can't
see the Chiefs. But as we look at it, you
guys right here, this was Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
In the first half or second half.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
Through the first half, the Cancity Chiefs went interception, interception, touchdown,
and then they ran out of time in the first half.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
That's what that was their first four series.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
But then on the second half, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, punt.
Look at the statistics for Patrick Mahomes. It just turned
out completely different. And on the flip side, the Washington Commanders,
their first four possessions was interception, turnover our downs, turnover
on downs, touchdown, and then in the second half punt punt, punt, interception.
You can't play like that. There was no rushing game
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whatsoever for the commander. So if you don't, if you
can't go out and have an effect the running game
against facts that he's just going to pin his ears
back and sending the gooles after they come get the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
And that's exactly what took place yesterday. Sixty yards on
the ground.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Mariota did what he could with seventy percent completion rate,
but ultimately they couldn't convert over on downs and they
didn't have enough weapons.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I know it sounds patronizing for the Commanders, but for
them to pick off, whether it be a deflective ball
or whatnot, Mahomes in the first half, but it didn't
result in points.
Speaker 4 (07:58):
That turnover on downs was huge.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
You gotta convert, you got to lose put three on
the board.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
Just to be a threat for shot.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
And that's just not how it panned out for the Commanders,
exactly and you look.
Speaker 8 (08:07):
At the game last night. You check out Hollywood Brown
obviously hit his hands. Yeah, we turned into an interception.
Travis Kelcey hit his hands, turned into an interception. When
you're playing against the Kansas City Chiefs, especially on the
road like that, you really have to take advantage of
the advantages.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
That you get. And they didn't.
Speaker 8 (08:22):
They didn't capitalize, they didn't put the they didn't get
a field goal unit out there. I understand going four
to four to six, you don't complete. I understand going
to four and four for one, But when you got
debo as you see right here, interception on a pitch
and catch easy first down in the red zone, it
kind of changes the momentum.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
We talked about this a little bit before.
Speaker 8 (08:41):
Momentum is a big deal when you're playing against a
heavy handed franchise like the Kansas City Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
On the road, and they lost that.
Speaker 8 (08:48):
And when you lose momentum, I mean, you lose the
outfit of the game.
Speaker 5 (08:51):
As you're seeing Yeah, I mean you know you are
both of your points. I mean, say you talked about
the Commanders played well last night, especially on the defensive
side of the ball. We're not mentioning that Marshawn Lotmore
had one of the best interceptions in the first half.
So you talk about two halves. What did I take
from the game. This is what I took. The Colts
are the best team in the AFC. That's what I took, right.
The Chiefs are still very good. The Chiefs are going
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to be in the playoffs. The Chiefs are playing right
now at a very scary level. The inconsistencies as far
as the drop passes that equate to turnovers, the run
game that they're still trying to figure out. They have
a three aheaded monster, matter of fact, two and a
half headed monster with Brishard Smith the rookie that they're
still trying to figure things out. The past game looks amazing.
I mean, as long as you have fifteen back there,
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Patrick Mahomes, He's slicing and dice into so many different targets.
Having Rushi Rice back has been such a blessing that
defense continues to carry the inconsistencies.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
There is what I took.
Speaker 5 (09:46):
From the game, right, And the only thing that I
took that was anything different was where I had the
Chiefs and what I thought they were going to do
to a Commander's team that didn't have Jade and Daniels.
I didn't see that. And because I didn't see that
the Colts are the best team in AFC. That doesn't
take away anything for the Chiefs or the Commanders. Ill
was the way that the Coats are playing as a whole.
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You said, Taylor two has We don't have that conversation
with the Coats.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
It's a full game.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
It's a full four quarters of stuff from White of
guys that Chiefs played two different himes.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
People are like, hold up, I'm looking at a score
bug down here of Chiefs, Commanders and Manti's Like the
Faults are the best team in the AFC.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
No, it's a good standard to set. I think it's important.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
And also the Chiefs I are still looking up at
the Denver Broncos right now in the standings in the
AFC West, So that is something to consider down the stretch.
You mentioned one name that has returned for this Chiefs offense, Manti,
and that's for she Rice Isaiah. What have you seen
in his return and the way that Patrick Holmes is
able to rely on him?
Speaker 1 (10:44):
He is the big time receiver. I mean, you call
it what it is they missed his presence. Now he's there,
they can get the ball to him whenever they remeever
they want to because of the guys that they also
have that you have to be concerned about. You have
to be concerned with Travis Kelsey. You have to be
concerned with the downfield threat.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Of Xavier Worthy.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
You have to be the concern with obviously with a
Juju Smith Schuster and his speed of the Hollywood Brown.
Those guys have the speed. So it allows Rashid Rice
to really be that possession guy. Not calling him a
possession receiver because he can do a lot more, but
he's he could be all over the field.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
He could be at the five yard mark.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
He could be your intermediate game, and he could be
your deep threat. This dude was nine for nine yesterday.
You the ball to him nine times. He had nine
receptions for ninety three yards in a touchdown. You know
who else had who had ninety nine yards?
Speaker 3 (11:26):
Travis Kelce.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Travis Kelsey had had ninety nine yards and a touchdown.
So when you're so concerned with so many guys and
you have so many weapons, they can't key in on you.
So Rashid Weiss and any other offense, you would have
to lock in on him and say we're.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Double team in that guy.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
We're taking him out, or we're putting our number one
defensive back and recovering him. But with this offense, when
you have so many weapons, you have to disperse that
and you have to play even keel and when you
do that, then he could go out there and.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Torch SoSE you talked about him as specifically as a
wide receiver. We saw last night he even ran wildcat,
you know what I mean? So Andy Reid and Patrick
Mahomes is like they finally have their toy back.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
You know, It's like, now we can do what we
want to do. Now we can be the offense that
we always wanted to be.
Speaker 5 (12:03):
Just put him at the slow let's have him run
the screens, Let's put him at wildcat.
Speaker 3 (12:06):
Let's put him at running back.
Speaker 5 (12:07):
There are even formations where he was at running back
in Bersard Smith was that whiteout at the number one
wide receiver. So you talk about the impact that one
guy can have, you see how they move him in
this offense. They have n't at wildcat. They have a receiver,
they have at running back. I mean, heck, the guy
can basically do anything on the offensive side of the ball,
and it has looked different for Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (12:27):
He looks a lot more comfortable. Like that big.
Speaker 5 (12:29):
Touchdown that that big game by Travis kelce that they
had was a broken play. Like when is Travis kelce
ever blocking, Well, Travis Kelcey is blocking. You have that
luxury of Travis kelce standing blocking. When you have her
she Rice running routes out there, Now you can have
Travis Kelcey leak out late. So there's so many different
aspects to the Chiefs offense that I see now that
Rareshie Rice is back that they didn't have before.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Again, not to be overlooked, Travis Kelcey now has the
next twelve or thirteen weeks to become the all time
touchdown receiving leader for the Kansas City Chiefs, which is
really incredible and it speaks to his career that he's
had with both Alex Smith at quarterback and Patrick Mahomes.
He has eighty three touch down catches last night, six
catches good for ninety nine yards.
Speaker 4 (13:07):
Let me tell you something, Rashad.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Would it terrify you to know that in all the
Chiefs trials and tribulations that they've been through this season.
They've never had a one hundred yard receiver in a game.
That's terrifying, right, the way that they can peanut butter
out of all this season.
Speaker 3 (13:22):
When you think about it that way, it is bizarre.
I mean, you think about Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
In a backfield throwing the ball to everybody, and they
haven't had one hundred. But that also speaks to one
Spags playing well on defense. They're able to disperse the
ball to everybody. Everybody's a part of this offense. They're
like so, and y'all understand this, especially you on the
offensive side of the balls. And when we are watching film,
there's an expectation to be ready for your name to
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be called.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
But a lot of times if you're second string, third string,
sometimes you like, I ain't gonna get in this week.
Speaker 8 (13:53):
Every single person with the Kansas City Chiefs, whether your first, third,
or fourth, you have to be ready because it's just
we're rolling.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
We rolling, and that keeps everybody healthy. You don't know
who's when S four Hunt.
Speaker 8 (14:05):
Comes out of nowhere gets two touchdowns, next week, you
don't really hear them, and then the next week you
get two more touchdowns and you don't know where it's
coming from. This system is ran by because of Patty
Mahomes and it's so efficient. So I love rice back,
I love what they're doing, and obviously I'm with you. You
said something that's kind of like, oh, all right, though,
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the Colts are the top dog, and until we see
anything different, we got to call it like that.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
But yeah, I was just gonna come.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
I just wanted to add on to that point. When
you're in this offense with these weapons, with that offensive coordinator,
everybody's an option, right, So as a quarterback coming up
to the line of scripts, I'm gonna give you all a
little bit of insight. Okay, if you only have one
primary receiver and maybe a couple guys, you know, second
or third stringers that can contribute from time to time,
but they only do one or two three things really well,
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you find yourself in a situation where you're trying to
force the ball.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Or we're drawing up place specifically to get the ball
to our number one guy.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
But in this offense, Andy reeves drawing up place, four
or five guys are getting out in routes and whoever
is open, that's where the ball goes and most likely
somebody's going to get open because all these guys are
capable of running route sufficiently, all these guys are capable
of catching the ball. All these guys are capable of
having the yak yardish yards have to catch. So when
you're Patrick Mahomes and you can step to the line
of scrimmage and you look across the formation, you realize
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there's a mismatch right there. There's a mismatch right there,
and there's a mismatch right there. I don't have to
be concerned with getting the ball to my number one guy.
I just get it to the best matchup on that
particular play.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Don't pull up the schedule, for the love of God.
Just listen to the way I describe what the Chiefs
have to deal with for the next four games. They
go to Buffalo next weekend, Right, big deal, whether it
or not, whether or not that thing goes well, then
they have to take a breath and think about it
for a week.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
They have a buye. Then they go to Denver.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Then they host those Colts, the aforementioned Colts. Short week
go to Dallas Thanksgiving Bill's Broncos Colts Dallas This will
be the ultimate test in the City Keeps this month
of November, and we shall see.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
We will check back in on this said first. Now
we'll talk about them before that.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Don't you worry.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Tom Bellisara Welcome in a GMFB RNFL Network insider with
us this morning.
Speaker 4 (16:11):
Not great news from Minnesota Vikings and.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Someone who took a ton of hits across the street
here at SOFI against the Chargers last week.
Speaker 4 (16:18):
What's going on with the Vikings in the quarterback room?
Speaker 9 (16:21):
That's right, Jamie Carson Wentz is set to undergo surgery
on his left shoulder and miss the remainder of this season.
The injury actually occurred back in Week five in London
against the Browns. A dislocated shoulder also tore his laboram
and fractured the socket. Still played another two and a
half games with that bulky harness that you can see
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right there. He gutted it out as long as he could,
but it was obvious he was in severe pain on
Thursday night. For anybody wondering why was Carson Wentz playing,
I will give you a few points here.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
One it was his non throwing shoulder.
Speaker 9 (16:56):
This is not an injury that gets worse by playing
with it. Wentz wanted to play, and as long as
that remained the case, coaches felt that he gave them
the best chance to win. Remember, he did throw a
touchdown pass in that game against the Chargers, but every hit,
and sometimes even when he wasn't getting hit, clearly caused
him a ton of pain and discomfort. It eventually became
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too great now JJ McCarthy, even if Wentz we're healthy,
is healthy himself and ready for his opportunity. He is
going to start on Sunday against the Lions. The only
other quarterback on the Vikings roster is undrafted free agent
Max Brozemer. Possible that they could add a veteran to
that room at some point. In other quarterback news, Ravens
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quarterback Lamar Jackson officially listed as a full participant on
the estimated injury report on Monday, and yes, given the
circumstances of the past few days, you would anticipate that
is real full participation. They will have a brief practice today,
but John Harbaugh has already said he expects Lamar Jackson
to be on the field Thursday night against the Dolphins
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for the first time since he suffered a hamstring injury
against the Chiefs weeks ago. Meanwhile, Broncos All Pro cornerback Patzertan,
the reigning NFL Defensive Player of the Year, suffered a
peck strain in Sunday's game. He is considered to be
week to week, which is not the worst situation here.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
When he came off.
Speaker 9 (18:20):
Grabbing that side of his chest, the immediate fears are
a potential season ending type injury.
Speaker 3 (18:25):
This is not that he is a.
Speaker 9 (18:26):
Candidate for injured reserve that would sideline him at least
four games. Something to monitor for the Broncos going forward,
But certainly, Jamie, it could have been worse.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
All right, Tom p, thank you so much. That could
have been worse.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
But the Broncos need that guy back on defense, certain
because of what they have coming up this month and
in that division as well.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Pell Sarah, thanks so much. Isaiah.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
You made me laugh early in a segment he said
the term possession receiver, and then you're like, not that
he's a possession receiver? Is that offending a quarterback? Like
you're a game manager? Is it as offensive as watching
the tush push over and over and over again. This
has become a topic of discussion.
Speaker 4 (19:01):
In league circles.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Why do I feel like it's Groundhog Day saying this
this time last year about the Toush push.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
It stayed in the game, but Willis.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
Has it become so controversial man site that finally a
change will be evoked upon this play and we will
not see it after the season.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
I don't know, Jane, We're gonna have to talk about that.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Add More coming up.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
We also have Super Bowl champion and newly retired Yeah
in front of our show, Lawrence Guy. He joined GMTB
to discuss his former teams with surgeons in the AFC East.
That's coming up on GMTB on a Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
These guys they retire, they want to come in.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Let's go Laurence the tard crew too.
Speaker 10 (19:36):
Guy, Good morning football, Welcome back to GMFB.
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Time for us to go for two.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
However, I warned the production booth that we might be
making a change to the line of scrimmage here. If
this conversation goes a certain way, we might have to
pull the offense off the field and put the kicking
team on.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
And just cover this one.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
People are passionate because we got to talk about the
Toush push. So We're gonna go back to the second
quarter of Theiants Eagles game on Sunday. The Giants were
not happy that Jalen Hurts his forward progress had been stopped,
therefore disallowing a fumble on the tush push. So many terms,
so many technicalities. The point is everyone and their mother
pretty much thought that that's a Giants ball right there.
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The play had been stopped and the ball was given
back to the Eagles. Brian birds that came on Thibodeaux,
for example, voice their displeasure about the play being halted.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
I ain't gonna get fine, but the resume they called.
You know, it is tricky. You know, two weeks ago,
you know they allowed them to push the pole and
now you know we stopped the surge and you know
they blow the whistle quick and you know, Tims had
their heads up play by getting the ball out. I
really feel like that should have been a turnover.
Speaker 3 (20:50):
But you know, it's.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
A I don't know, it's just weird, weird play, weird call,
he said, they called. They called the ford progress before
he reached the ball out.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
So it sounds like some book me.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
But you didn't hear a whistle, right, that's and that's
the hard part about the Toush push.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
Oh yeah, sorry, I mean that was a great call
by the right.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Ryan Burns is like, no, I don't want to get fine.
Speaker 4 (21:17):
It came on Tim and I was.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
Like, great team. Put the letter in my locker, Lord,
bring it over here.
Speaker 4 (21:25):
Oh my gosh. She's like, I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I heard that whistle very loud in there on Sunday
man time. Is the non fumble forward progress d D
D D D? Is this the final straw for the
Toush push?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
I think it is. I think it.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Like listen the play itself when you the ford progress
thing is so confusing to me because I want to
throw to a little clip here from that game about
what they're discussing as far as is it reviewable or
not go ahead?
Speaker 11 (21:51):
They're ruling forward progress. To me, he is pushing forward,
he is reaching. That is an early whistle.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
In my opinion. Oh my god.
Speaker 11 (22:00):
And the key here is they ruled progress. The Giants
can't challenge. They could, but that ball would have to
come out immediately.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
We ruled forward progress on the play for a first down.
New York had challenged the play.
Speaker 9 (22:14):
I explained to them that since we ruled forward progress.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
There was no challenge on the play. It will be
first down Philadelphia. So if I heard that correctly, guys right,
So because of.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
Ford Progress, there's no challenge, there's no you can't yeah,
the play with stuff, you can't challenge it. Right later
on in a day, same thing happens. So because of
Ford Progress, they said that they could review it, that
it was reviewable.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
So I don't know is it reviewable is it not?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
So when we're having these type of conversations about Ford
progress and one says, one game says that it is reviewable,
and the next game says that it isn't reviewable, it's
do we have it up?
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Because I don't.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I don't want to explain something that the man explained.
Go ahead, let's run this thing real quick.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Now.
Speaker 12 (23:04):
I know they ruled forward progress. It is challengeable only
under the ruling that the contact when the contact is initiated,
the ball comes loose immediately.
Speaker 8 (23:15):
After review the ruling on the field of a completed
pass the forward progress there.
Speaker 5 (23:21):
So that's the confusion here, is like there's different inputs
about it, and I don't think we all know.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
The rules of Ford progress. When is it stopped.
Speaker 5 (23:32):
And the problem with the push push is there's never
a clear part when the momentum is stopped, and so
whether the whistle is blown earlier, whether it's blown late,
we can't decide that as people who are watching this game.
And so with all of that being said, I think
it has to go like, if we can't stop ford progress,
then whatever you're doing.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
At this point, I think it's important to remind ourselves
too that oftentimes what we see in forward progress is
when a rusher gets halted by just a gang of
guys on defense and he's pushing and he's pushing, and
then it's.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
Like kind of awkward. Three yards have gone by.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Then he gets stopped for about three seconds and then
they're like, all right, enough, guys, let's not take each
other down.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
It's fine.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's normally when forward progress is halted, not in the
immediacy of a play that we've seen run a thousand times.
So that I think is where people are having a
discernment issue with which is forward progress.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Is it a play that.
Speaker 2 (24:23):
Is actively unfolding, or is it one where it just
gets a little awkward because everybody's just kind of standing
and hugging each other Isaiah.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
Yeah, I have a lot of questions in regards to
the Tousch push, and there's really three points. When you
start talking about rules right and allowing judgments to happen.
My first thing is is there a safety concern? And
I think there is a safety concern whenever you look
at the line of scrimmage and they had that little
camera angle, I think we just had one and the
center snaps the ball, he.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
Immediately puts his head down.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
The only way I can stop you is by spearing
you in the back of the head. So there's a
safety concern, right, So that's number one.
Speaker 3 (24:55):
Is there an unfair advantage?
Speaker 1 (24:57):
Absolutely, there's an unfair advantage that the offense can push
the defense can't push. That's a huge disadvantage. I think
there's this whole conversation would go away if the defense
was allowed to push, just as the running backs and
everybody else behind.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Are allowed to push the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (25:11):
All right, And last, but not least, can it be
ruled on clearly? Well, we are able to identify and
that's not the case.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I tell you what, o'billy. That's the issue.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
It can't be ruled on clearly because on that particular play,
the one that is now bringing this conversation kind of
to ahead.
Speaker 3 (25:29):
Jalen Hurts was reaching for a first down, right.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Had Thimbadau not touched the ball, they would allow him
to reach across and that would have been utilized to
give him the first down.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
But because Thibodeau took.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
The ball, they said no, no, no, no, no no, Philadelphia, No,
we know what you do.
Speaker 3 (25:46):
It's a first down. I mean, we just let you have.
Like the play's over, four progress has been stopped. Even
though the.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Whistle was blown after the ball was taken away, four
progress have been stopped. So to your point, Jamie, there's
inconsistencies there. So those are the three things that I
have questions about. Safety concerned. Yes, there's no there's no
safe way to stop that play. Number two, unfair advantage, absolutely,
defense can't push it. At number three, it can't be
ruled on. Clearly it's too much inconsistency. So in that case,
(26:12):
I think the rules should be gone.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
As offensive coordinator of this segment, we already know we're
not getting to the second point here, so we're kicking
the extra point.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Rareshaw, We're staying on the toush push take your time,
my friend.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
All right, So it's a lot. This is a lot.
Speaker 8 (26:23):
This is something I stood on the table before the
season and said they need to get rid of it
for so many reasons. Now it's kind of you got
the smoking guy. You can't officiate it. It's slowing down
the game.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Now.
Speaker 8 (26:34):
A lot of people look into it just to see
what happens, right, are they going to get the first
down or not? But something to think about, just step back.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
For a second. It's just comical that you have Jayalen Hursts.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
You got somebody who's paid two hundred and fifty five
million dollars at the quarterback position, forty one million dollars
at the running back position.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
AYJ.
Speaker 8 (26:52):
Brown got close to one hundred million, and they get
together and say, hey, we just going you know, you
know why it's called push tush. You know what the
tush is for, right, you know? Butttos, So let's just
get together and just push this. I just don't like
it for the look of it, but I will have
to say this the other side of it, to defend
it a little bit. Is it you exploit team as
(27:12):
a as a athlete, what do we do if you
have pooping the core as your wide receiver and you
got a third string dB trying to guard them, you're
gonna exploit that.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Look, right.
Speaker 8 (27:21):
If you're on the defensive side of the ball and
they got a third shren tout for, you're gonna blitz them, right,
And so what do we do?
Speaker 3 (27:27):
We exploit.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
So they found a way to exploit a play, and
I can't get mad because they do it better than
everybody else. But at the same time, we can't officiate
it at this point.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
So it's got to go.
Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's gone to places that we can't follow in terms
of all the reasons that you mentioned, but also there
was just an argument for like, it's not a football player. Now,
it's becoming a little awkward for how the game is played.
I'm for apper replay presented by Coles.
Speaker 4 (27:51):
I love it.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
On Sundays here in California, games kickoff at ten am.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
Coles opens at nine.
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I get a good hour in at Cole's before I
go home and watch the Gamesman time.
Speaker 3 (28:00):
Jay, that's next level.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I know, I know, you know, you got to be
efficient about your day, you know what I mean. Clothes
brought to you by Coles Today probably not the same
to be said for the players because they fancy, all right,
Coles is fancy.
Speaker 4 (28:11):
But for us kind of people.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Let's look at what some of these guys have been
wearing from over the weekend, and we begin.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
With my foot.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
That guy, besides sweatpants, my favorite type of outfit, and
that's a Canadian tuxedo.
Speaker 4 (28:21):
Jamar Chase, what did you do?
Speaker 2 (28:23):
You made a fancy though with the chain, with the hat.
He's not a wireless headphones guy, which is fine. And
there's something happening here. I don't know what that is.
But the Canadian tuxedo always tracks. You can dress it up,
you can dress it down, and if you're Jamar Chase,
you always look great doing it.
Speaker 3 (28:38):
It always looks great.
Speaker 5 (28:39):
Next, give me another one, Give me another one, guys.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Oh, it's what you call timeless.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (28:44):
Timeless? Devonte Smith. Look at a suit. You can't really
see it from this part, but it's plaid. He has
some some red piping, some red stitching, and the words
of my boy mark Ingram all in the details details
for that man is smooth.
Speaker 2 (28:59):
The thing that you and I have going on today, MANSI,
is that you and I look like we're at the
same party, right, those wide receivers, they look like they
are going to a high end fashion party.
Speaker 4 (29:07):
I just don't know what party. Mccollins was invited to
Halloween party, Yes it was, but who was there? Because
I didn't see a lot of other costumes. This is mccollins.
Speaker 2 (29:17):
The bare feet is not even the strangest thing happening many.
Speaker 4 (29:21):
He's a chess piece.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
He's a chess piece.
Speaker 5 (29:22):
But he's also going to agno. He's only going to
agno Jamie soul this ship. Yeah, so you saying that
you go to close early. He had to arrive at
the game early because ain't no way he was able
to get from the parking lot to the stadium in
the right amount of time only going diagonal.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
So proud of himself, mccallins, everything he does, he's like,
you guys are going to talk about.
Speaker 4 (29:43):
Me on Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
I know that well done, Wide Receivers, And I'm so
sorry that Halloween didn't fall on an appropriate day to
have more of this. But at least mac collins delivered
us one Halloween costume six days early that was out
at Replay, presented by Coles, who provided our office to day,
Like we mentioned, oh what fun it is to do
segments like this or and find holiday styles, gifts and
(30:04):
more at Cole's.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
I'll be there and then with you Jane.
Speaker 3 (30:08):
Sweet toss is it left side? This is Harvey Harvey
with a big run. RJ. Harvey is loose, touchdown, the
rookie RJ. Harvey, hardy yard house call, shotgun snapped. RJ.
Speaker 13 (30:23):
Harvey Harvey and.
Speaker 14 (30:23):
The wildcat takes it off right guard and he's got
his second touch down of the game.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
The versatile RJ.
Speaker 9 (30:29):
Harvey Harvey in the flat wide open Harvey gets it in,
tiptoes it at the end zone.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Touchdown did and for RJ. Harvey that is his third touchdown.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
Well, what a weekend.
Speaker 15 (30:42):
And if you know a Cowboys fan, you might have
to check in on them, Isaiah, How you doing okay?
Speaker 4 (30:47):
All right? Yeah, he's okay.
Speaker 15 (30:49):
Cowboys fans having to buckle up a lot of ups
and downs this season. They failed to win back to
back games all year, and after allowing a season worst
forty four points in Week eight to the Broncos, as
we just saw, head coach Brian Schottenheimer had a sleepless
night trying to figure out how to write the ship.
Speaker 16 (31:08):
No one wants a win streak more than anybody in
this locker room, in this team room. You know, players
and coaches. You know we want to have a winning streak.
You know, to win a game and lose a game,
and win a game and lose a game sucks. I mean,
nobody wants that, but it's who we are right now,
and so you can sit there and be frustrated by it. Which,
believe me, I didn't sleep a wink last night. I
(31:28):
tossed and turned all night. I played the game over
my mind a thousand times. Things I could have done, different,
things that could have done better. I will always look
at myself first. You will never hear me get up
here and not take responsibility, accountability for myself because as
the leader of this football team, that's my job and
work to do.
Speaker 4 (31:43):
Is you look ahead two week nine.
Speaker 15 (31:45):
But this past weekend the Bears, Jets, and Raiders hosting
their NFL Flag Regionals. This was the first year the
Bears had all eleven divisions compete, with a total of
fifty fourteen. The Jets regional featured sixty eight teams. THHT
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There's no other way to say that team name right. Well,
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they took home the twelve you title at the Raiders
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winning both the fourteen you Girls and High School Girls Division.
Incredible working Congratulations to all those teams. Final League near
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is Back.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
Are you a fan of Monsters inc?
Speaker 15 (32:36):
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the Monstropolis cheer floor as part of a real time
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December eighth. That's on ESPN two, Disney Plus, Disney Channel,
Disney XD and the ESPNPP. Well, coming up next, we
(32:59):
have a friend of the show joining us, former defensive
tackle Lawrence s Guy percently announcing his retirement. Hanging it up,
but hey, we got in here coming up Auntie and
FB to talk about it.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Good, moll.
Speaker 14 (33:27):
I want to look at my career. I look at
at the way that we should do it as a player.
I wasn't selfish. I didn't think about myself. I wanted
to make sure that the person next to me had
the same success that I did, because that person was
going to make sure I may play. I made plays
(33:48):
for that person to make plays. And it's one of
those things that when you lay your head down at night,
you understand that you did what you could when you
could do it, and left it on the field.
Speaker 2 (34:00):
Nearly two hundred games and a successful thirteen year career
as a dominant NFL D lineman. Friend of our show
proud to say that Lawrence Guy officially hung up the clease.
That was a clip from last Friday when the Super
Bowl champion signed a one day deal with New England
to retire as a Patriot, and today we got to
talk to him about it, about his next chapter.
Speaker 4 (34:20):
About New England.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Everything night, everybody.
Speaker 13 (34:28):
I'm talking to Shane.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
I look young, a couple of years off, nice.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Before.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Well, I'm glad you're TV ready now, buddy, you are
officially retired. You have to get ready with your appearance game.
When you decided that it was the right time, what
brought you to that moment? That decision and why was
it so important for you to go out as a patriot.
Speaker 14 (34:54):
Well, already knew that I'm going to go out to
patriot And I was telling him if I would have
finished my thirteenth year, in my fourteenth year in New
England and I get that four teenth credit, I would
retired by one of that fourteenth credit. So soon I
got that fourteenth credit and I said like, look, this
is the situation I am. I reached the goal I
wanted to do it. I was going to go back
(35:16):
to New England. Regardless of what I was going to do.
I was want to go back and retire there. That's
the organization that looked at me and said we're going
to water you. We're gonna let you grow. We understand
what you've been through, but it doesn't We're going to
make sure that you were successful. And that's what they did,
and they put all that energy into me and it
came out that made me a better man on the
field and off the field. And when you look at
(35:38):
those memories I had on the field with Tom rob
with Devi and with Jason mccordy, it's one of those
things that you can never take for granted. It's just
a blessing. So me and my family say, hey, I
went to New England with a baby. I left New
England with two babies.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
That's awesome, Lawrence man talking about them helping you become successful.
Now they are being successful once again, obviously with a
six and two start out there with the Patriots. Drake
may is doing his thing. What do you like about
these Patriots right now as they stand right now at
the top of the AFCs.
Speaker 14 (36:13):
I like how they're competing. We saw the game unfolding
on Sunday. Let's just cut it how it is. Miles
here got five shots. You didn't see them start struggling
and doing They kept putting the foot to the gas,
like we're going to overcome what's going to be done.
And they're competing as a group and not individuals. Everybody's
having a good time. Anybody's playing for each other and
(36:34):
you can see the competitives. I think they started the
game off, had an interception that didn't stop them, that
didn't tearritorm. They kept going and pushing, and I think
Mike came in there and brought this team together and said, look,
we understand what happened in the last couple of years.
We're going to change this organization around. Now, we're gonna
get the foot back on that gas. We're going to
continue to roll. And you can see that from the
(36:55):
beginning of the season with some of the miss up,
the fumbles, the mistackles into what they're doing now if
it's driving that bus.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Well, O G.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
You talked about guys playing for each other. You also
mentioned it in your speech that you did about playing
for the person next to you.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
Was there a teammate that.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
You played with that that was especially true that when
you line up on the field next to him, You're like,
I know that I'm gonna play for this man, and
I know that they're going to play for me, Danny.
Speaker 14 (37:21):
Shelton, Me Danny Shelton, And in reality it was a
me and him. In twenty nineteen, we had Adam Butler
that did all the finessing pass for us, but me
and Danny with the run and I think we both
finished that season if I'm not mistaken. It was sixty
(37:42):
two tackles, so sixty three tackles, two sacks or three
sacks two fourths from each two form of recoveries, and
I had one interception. Our stats was to say, that's
pretty much it. I just got them by the interception
by making Baker Mayfield, thank you appreciate that. I guess
when you put the Browns, but those stats right there
(38:03):
if you really look at the statue like you guys
did this together. We were playing off of each other,
and I understood his weaknesses as he understood my weaknesses,
and we went back and forth, back and forth, and
it was an amazing experience. To the point I'll never
forget that our exit physicals.
Speaker 13 (38:21):
Bill came up to the room.
Speaker 14 (38:22):
He like, what you guys were ever were able to
do this year was impressive and he had hadn't had
two groups of players that I was able to do
that before because it was It was a unique year
and it was a fun year. But hey, that's my brother.
He can't do no wrong. He helped me out. I
know him since he was coming out to college, coming
out of college to the draft. We did everything that
(38:44):
year to just do it for each other. Like I said,
best teammate, I could probably have it in lie next
two with him.
Speaker 13 (38:50):
We already looked out for each other.
Speaker 8 (38:52):
My guy's good saying you and I'm gonna get some
advice from you later on after the show about how
to grow a beer like that because I need one.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
But you definitely were.
Speaker 8 (39:00):
You were the Keeper of Light in Fossborough on Sunday
and the continue this win streak.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
What was that experience like?
Speaker 14 (39:08):
But the Keeper Alight is amazing because when you go
up there, you can see everything Boston, Rhode Island, the eye,
like the trees, the skyline was beautiful. But they said, hey,
you can't hear nothing. I'm like, okay, I get it.
The comps went down. I'm like, okay, we cut the combs.
I'm like, what am I supposed to do this? They
ring it three times. I'm like, I got you. They
(39:30):
didn't tell me the bell might break. They said it
was a steady bell. I'm like, what do you mean?
So I'm over there hitting the bell and the stand
almost cracked on me. But it was an amazing experience.
Speaker 13 (39:40):
We love. I loved it.
Speaker 14 (39:41):
I love seeing this standum from a new point of view,
I would say, it's a tradition.
Speaker 13 (39:45):
I'm glad I got to be a part of.
Speaker 14 (39:46):
And if you're able to go to New England and
you're able to be the keep her a Light, trust
me that it's an experience to do, and I'm glad
that they got that win. If they wouldn't a guy that,
I don't think they would have wolcomed me back to
the thing because it's like, look, I'm gonna crunk the
bell and.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
We're lost, Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
Are so happy for you, honestly, but just tell the
truth here on GMFB.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
You shaved your heads.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
You could really become the third McCarty brother like you
felt it. You're fully destined to be. We love the
friendship that you guys.
Speaker 4 (40:19):
Have going on.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
As always, the McCarty family close to us, but I
think they may take issue with the fact that you
said Danny Shelton's name so fast when it came to
lining up with a teammate.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
What is going on The McCarty's are on the phone, LG.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
You got to become a little bit more political if
you're going to retire and enter the TV life.
Speaker 4 (40:34):
My friends, Hey, all I got to.
Speaker 14 (40:35):
Say is when you look at the mccordy, you're right.
They want to be like me, so they keep the
hair shaved. With the vice versa. They said, look, we
shaved our head. We want you to join us. I'm like,
I don't want to join you. I still got hair
and if I know you're receiving a little bit byke here,
I said, kid, I'm going to tell you this. And
Devil tat this too. Were looking at me like, hey,
(40:58):
you know if you mess up that running back when
to get to me. I said, yeah, I'm just still
going to apologize. I said, but we're good enough, actually
gonna accept my apology. He said yeah, And that happened
in the Ravens was over there in Baltimore.
Speaker 13 (41:11):
I swam the gap. I thought it was a past
it was. He took me for a ride. We hit
the ground. I looked at him.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
I like, my.
Speaker 14 (41:20):
Bad just stopped me in them because we were going.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
Lawrence, you're the man.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
We're so happy for you, the longevity of your career
and your family as well as it continues to expand.
Speaker 4 (41:33):
We love you, man.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
We can't wait to see again on GMFB. Happy for
you the newly retired Lawrence guy. Everybody a Super Bowl
Champion graduate.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
Absolutely don't come back out of retirement, man, Yeah, don't
pull a BG on us.
Speaker 8 (41:46):
Yeah, yeah, that's what said too.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Congrats brother,
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