Hour Two of the Good Morning Football Podcast begins with hosts Sara Walsh, Manti Te’o, Cynthia Frelund, and Jahleel Addae discussing the ongoing contract dispute between the Cincinnati Bengals and Trey Hendrickson. Then they react to Chargers WR Mike Williams retiring. Sports Writer, Poker commentator Norman Chad joins the show and talks all things football and poker.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Welcome to Good Morning Football. It is Tuesday, July twenty second.
I'm Sarah Walls, joined here in Los Angeles by Mantiteo,
Cynthia Freeland and tenure NFL veteran safety Jaliel a Die,
who's making his GMF debut today.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
We love it.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You got an hour in the books with us. You're
feeling good and you're a veteran now here.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Yeah, I feel good. Chemistry is good, Greg group. Let's
keep it cracking.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
All right, Let's we got another Let's go, we got
another hour to go. Let's go here on GMFF this.
Speaker 5 (00:37):
Morning, Good Morning Football, Good morning.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
It is Tuesday. Training camp is in session.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
We got a whole bunch of teams in action and
a lot to get to. Sarah Walsh, Mantiteo, Cynthia Freeland,
and Jaliel a Die, who is playing hurt today. I mean,
that's something you got to do in the NFL times.
But he's lost his voice because.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Of why my oldest son, Zion on to die.
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Seven year World Series Pencil Division Southern California finished in.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
The final four. He loves baseball.
Speaker 6 (01:20):
I was just talking to Manti Mantize, like, dude, don't
even introduce them the football yet, don't don't even major
League baseball play Wait a.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Minute, are you like one of these crazy that you
said you've lost your voice show yelling.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
And you just yelling.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
I'm coaching from the sideline because I was technically supposed
to coach this year, but my wife had a new baby,
so I had to help out with it.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You got a lot happening, so I was just.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Like being dad, being coached, being supporter, but really really
proud of him.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
He did an awesome job.
Speaker 7 (01:45):
You have like a go to like what's your just like,
go are you pumping up?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Guy?
Speaker 7 (01:48):
Are you like watch this?
Speaker 4 (01:49):
Watch this?
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Like you, I'm telling the infield to move outfield to
play back.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
It's a lefty job. It's a riety. We're shifted like,
I'm all over it, like and I don't know you're
shifting like a.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Professional background or what it is, but I'm all over
those kids.
Speaker 4 (02:03):
But they appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Is the coach of his team ever like, hey, you
over there, you need to take it down a notch.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Not at all, because the coach of his team was
my rival in spring, and we go back and forth
and we got him this year twice.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Oh. I like this.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I like this the game within a game.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
We actually will talk some football here after all our
little league baseball talk, which is incredibly interesting. But we
want to bring in our Tom pellisera coach. Stay insiders,
because you know what's interesting.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
What's happening for the Bengals.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
There are a couple of really big names on defense
not at training camp.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Tom.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
This thing, this thing could spiral if they don't get
it under control. What is the latest on Shamar Stewart
and Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 8 (02:43):
Well, Sarah.
Speaker 9 (02:43):
The Bengals are set to report to training camp today
and as of this moment, neither of perhaps their two
most important players on defense are even in the state.
Let's start out with Trey Hendrickson, who posted early this
morning that he has gone back home to the Jacksonville
area in Florida. He'd actually been in Ohio in recent
weeks doing community the events and other things. There appeared
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to be a window yesterday in which potentially a deal
was going to get done with Trey Hendrickson, who has
one year and sixteen million dollars left on his contract.
That has made abundantly clear he is not going to
play for that. However, my understanding is the Bengals have
been sticking with their traditional contract structure, which they do
not guarantee anything beyond the initial bonus in the contract.
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Now they have broken that president with like said, Joe
Burrow and Jamar Chase to get those deals done to
this point, they have not been willing to do that
with Trey Hendrickson. We'll see exactly how this thing developed.
Sometimes you need to get to the point where players
start putting on pad, get a little deeper in training camp.
Speaker 8 (03:46):
Until things thought.
Speaker 9 (03:47):
But at this point there is no certainty about when
or even if Trey Hendrickson is going to end up
back in Cincinnati. As for Shamar Stewart, he has been
back in Texas where he played college football, continuing to
trade and has yet to put on a Bengals uniform
even for practice. The dispute in Shamar Stewart's case it's
not on the years, it's not on the money. All
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that is said under the collective bargaining agreement. This is
on new language that the Bengals want to put into
Shamar Stewart's contract they have not had in their previous
rookie contracts now. From the Bengals perspective, as team executives
said on Monday, they feel like they have the ability
to adjust their contract light which to bring it up
to speed with what the rest of the NFL is doing.
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From Shamar Stewart's perspective and his agent, Zach Hiller's perspective,
they're saying, all we want is the same language you
gave last year's first round Pickamarius Man, same language you
gave Jamar Chase, Joe Burrow in their rookie contracts. To
this point, nobody has budged in that standoff. This comes
at a time where with the evolving college football landscape,
I am told Samar Stewart has multiple seven figure offers
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if he's willing to go back and play in college football.
Speaker 8 (04:58):
He's not there yet. There'd behoops to jump through here.
Shamar Stewart wants.
Speaker 9 (05:02):
To play football in Cincinnati, but the idea that he
is simply going to Cave today is far fetched at
this point. So Bengals headed into training camp, but a
team that invested so much in their offense in this
offseason Sarah resigning the likes of Jamar Chase and t Higgins.
They need to figure out their defense. Trey Henderson and
Samar Stewart not going to be out there as camp begins.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, it all gets started, and yet here comes the standoff.
Tom Pallisero, thank you for the very latest, and that
gets us into another round of three and out. Mantaia,
we're told that you have inside information on this, on
this scenario right on a scale of one to ninety one,
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how confident are you in the Bengals getting a deal
done with Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well, you're the inside. Maybe I'm sorry I should teach
up as the inside.
Speaker 8 (05:51):
I'm not the insider.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I'm just a brother of Trey Hendrickson, and I'm very
grateful to have that relationship with him. I initially wanted
to rate it a fifty seven because that's the amount
of sacks that he's had for the Cincinnati Bengals ever
since he became a Bengal. But I spoke to Trey yesterday.
He called me and we had a great conversation. And
first and foremost are Bengals fans. He wants to be
a Cincinnati Bengal that's number one. He's always wanted to
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stay in that city. He has a beautiful son now
him and his wife, they've established roots there. Let's get that.
Let's get that squared away. But I said, well, so
what's the status. He's like number one tomp He said,
he's not reporting to training camp And I said.
Speaker 8 (06:27):
Well, how far are you? How far are you off
from them?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
He's like, bro, they are atrociously, atrociously low. And so
because of that, I know it's one to ninety one. Guys,
it's a zero for me. Okay, based on my conversation
with Trey, it's a zero. And I said, what's what's
what's the deal? He's like, well, it's all about the
guaranteed money and jilil.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
You know this.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
It doesn't matter what they post him. When there is
the words up to in the contract, you you're getting
paid this and it could be up to you might
as well just cancel whatever number comes after those words.
Speaker 8 (06:59):
Up too, because it's never going to happen.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Trey even told me that him and his representatives even.
Speaker 8 (07:04):
Offered to take less years to.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Decrease the length of the contract, and the Bengals organization
said no.
Speaker 8 (07:11):
So from somebody who's had fifty seven sacks for you.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
He'd led the NFL in sacks last year, and he
was one of the top the year before that, and
he continues to be that for your defense on a
defense that doesn't have a lot of support.
Speaker 8 (07:24):
There.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Come on, Cincinnati, like, you have the number one offense,
but we learned last year that you could have the
greatest offense on turf. But if you can't stop the
opposing offense from scoring, you have no cho you have
no shot, and you're in the AFC North, which has
some of the best quarterbacks, best offensive schemes in the NFL.
So you better get number ninety one out there. I
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don't know where the confusion is. I don't know what
we're even talking about here. You have somebody that really
loves organization, really loves that city, really has done a
lot for that city. So I went from fifty seven
to a big fat zero based on what my brother
Trey said me, So stop being so atrociously low, but Cincinnati,
let's go.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
I'll look like a slightly more optimistic than you because
you said fifty seven was his total sex well last
season it was seventeen and a half. So I'm going
seventeen and a half out of ninety one because that
is the number of sacks that led the league last year,
and that was what he did and he, by the way,
did that same number the year prior as well. So
consistency something to rely on up front. This is a
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big deal, especially when you look at since that Super
Bowl season, look at the end of the back end.
You guys always talk about the front. In the back
they have to work together. Let's see who they've had
super Bowl season, they had Jesse Bates, Von Bell, Chidobio, Woozya.
Now what it's very there are very few holdovers from
when they were very successful to what's gone on the
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past two seasons. Right, So when you're looking at Trey
Hendricks said, why are you not you talk about where
is the disconnect? I'm unclear as well, because it seems
like we talked about this. You knew this was coming,
you knew he was unhappy. I think he signed a
deal in COVID times when things were a little bit
more murky. I believe it was prop with some sort
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of thoughtfulness towards if you perform well, we will pay
you and figure this out.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
And that hasn't happened.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
So now, okay, this is where we're at.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Yeah, I love it what both of you gus guys said.
And I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna go three numbers,
and you're gonna ask why I'm going.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
One, five, and nine. Separate, separate, separate, separate.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That's why they're so far apart y.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Yeah, you see the space.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
So one, Jamar Chase, five, T Higgins nine, Joe Burrow.
And I say this because they just broke the bank
on all three of those guys, And at this point
in time, it's almost like that that organization needs a
foul bankruptcy because of how much money they've spent on them.
And I don't think it's necessarily the fact that they
don't want to sign Trade.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I just don't think the money's there.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
And like you said, he's been very productive, the best
defensive player on the team for the longest and the
last time the Bankers has signed anybody on the defensive
side was Geno Atkins and Carlos Dunlap, who were superstars
for them on the defensive side up and that was
under a different regime, right, so this is a whole
different regime and Obviously they're focused on the offense. I
think they could have spread that money out a little differently.
I love t Higgins. I thought he was going to
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go somewhere else. I thought the Chargers were going to
be a spot for him. I think they could have
saved that money and would have been able to pay tray.
But obviously they haven't done that, and they went that route.
I'm focusing on the offense, and I think that's the
sole reason why Trey Henderson is on the highway in
Florida right now in ninety five degree weather on sunrise.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, and to add to everybody's point, you know who
their defensive coordinator is, Al Golden. Al Golden was with
Notre Dame in the past few years. And what does
Al Golden want to do. He wants to blitz, and
he wants to play man pressure. And you talk about
the back end in the front, if you don't have
a rush, your dvs are going to get torched. So
if you don't have number ninety one out there, you're
gonna get torch. And so for the Cincinnati Bengals, let
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let's let's make this thing happen.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And I want to make a point real quick.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
We talked about Lamar Jackson in fantasy and that's a
guy that you have to go through if you want
to win a division, right, that's the guy you have
to go through twice if you want to win a division.
I keep saying it, rush and cover work together. You
can have the best secondary in the world. If you
don't get pressure on a guy like Lamar Jackson, if
you don't disrupt his timing, if you don't get the
ball out of his hands quickly, it's going to be
a long afternoon for you. And that's what is going
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to be if you don't sign Cherry Anderson back to
have that pressure Lamar Jackson early and often when you
play them.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
And would you say this is the best secondary ever?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Absolutely positively not right.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
So now you're one hand behind your back. Then you're
tied the other hand behind your back.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
So the two defensive guys sitting here at the table
with us, say, pay the man, pay the defensive star
figured out talking about an offensive guy and a team
you two know very well. Chargers veteran wide receiver Mike
Williams informed the team this week that he is retiring
from the NFL. So that takes us to second down.
What player needs to step up for the Chargers offense
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this season, Cynthia.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
Well, unsurprisingly, I'm going with the old line. You want
your you want your Do you want your wide receiver
to have a chance to catch the ball? Do you
want your quarterback to have a chance to throw the ball? Well,
they bring in Mackay Beckton. His nickname is big Ticket.
With your name is nickname is big Ticket. You come
from the Eagles and then formally the Jets. You have
big expectations. They're going to be playing him now at
break guard presumably. So when I'm looking at the opportunity here,
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this is a guy who they it seemed like they
had they targeted in free agency. It was someone that
they seem to put a lot of emphasis on getting.
You put that kind of episode. If Jim Harbaugh says
he wants to and you go, they all go out
and get him. In this way, the expectations couldn't be
any bigger because that's what kind of helps make everything
else go. So for me, big ticket, big expectations needs
to step.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Up, big ticket, big payday, big human being. Yeah, I
love that addition for the Chargers that I'm gonna stay
with the Chargers because the guy that I think that
needs to step up in this year is Quinton Johnson.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
Jalil you alluded to the earlier in the show about.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Taking having somebody that can take the attention.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Off of Lad McConkie.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
That's what you need, you eve, and just mentioned t
Higgins and a possibility of going to the Chargers.
Speaker 8 (12:51):
That would have been scary.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
But he has in his short career so far had
this problem with dropping catches, and that's something that for
somebody who knows the mental battle and just the confidence
a lack of confidence coming from TCU. He was this
big target very fast, and so there was an expectation
for him. It's been a little rough in his short
career so far, however, with somebody like Jim Harball instilling
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that confidence in you, that belief. You see that the
miked up comments that Jim Harball says to his players,
I'm expecting him to have a better year because the
Chargers aren't gonna need need that from him in order
to have a successful offense going into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Yeah, man, Ty, I'm gonna sound like a broken record
when I say I'm piggybacking off of what you said,
But it has to be Quentin Johnson this year. Obviously,
Mike Williams was going to be that deep threat for
Justin Herbert. Herbert has a big arm, rocket for an arm,
Quinn Johnson has to be that guy for him.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Obviously.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
I did the Chargers coaching internship for two years in
a row. I came in when Quentin Johnson was a
rookie there and he had a really really strong camp
both years. So it's been surprising to me that he
gets into the season and then he has those drop problems.
I still believe as a former Charger, someone who studies
a Charger, someone who watches Chargers, he still can be
that next big threat for them down the field. That
will open up the intermediate routes for Lad mcconchley, and
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they will open up the run game as well. Right
because if you play the Charges right now, you're stacking
the box and you say you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Have to beat us and we're gonna double Ladd.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Somebody has to open up the offense so they can
expand the playbook, and I think Quentin Johnson has it.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
None of the other receivers, no one else.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
There there's nobody, be honest with you, there's nobody else
there right now. If you go on into the game
against the Chargers, who are you going to game plan
for at or receiver right now?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Other than Lab McConkie.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Who and Mike Williams would have been that guy? And
that's why I want to see them in training camp.
Who's gonna be that guy to step up? Quentin Johnson
has to be that guy to step up because if
I'm a dB, I'm watching film on lad and I'm
gonna say, you know what, he's coach, We call him Jags.
They're just a guy, and he's not a guy that
we're going to be scared of. They're not a guy
that we're gonna roll our defense to. The only person
you're doing that for in the Chargers offense right now, respectfully,
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is Lab McConkie.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
All right, Well, we were talking this morning about Julia
and I both being from Tampa. We're going to talk
about another Tampa guy here, and I don't mean Tampa
Bay buccaneer is a guy that's from Tampa, Michael Pennix Junior.
When we talk about big expectations on offensive guys, Falcons
received and we're talking about guys need to step up
in receivers.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Ray Ray McCloud. He's high on Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I mean he should be at this time of year, right,
making it to the big game behind the strong left
arm of their second year signal caller who hails from
our area, Jalil. The Falcons wide receiver Ray Ray Cloud
said this.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Via Pro Football Network.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'm excited and I'm not going to be surprised by
any of it. I've watched Pennix every day for the
last year at practice, and I'm just ready to see
him go into an experienced year, a polished year, and
see how it goes go all the way to the
super Bowl. Now, in fairness, I think anytime somebody at
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this time of year goes, well, this guy talking about well,
look he should be talking about the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Should he not?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I mean there's not somebody out there that should be like,
if they go, you think you can win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Like, who's going to go? I don't think so. But
we got to show up the work, you know what
I mean? So, like I just want to like set
the tone with that. Of course he should think.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
That your thoughts, well, it's it's the same hyperbole that
all players should go through. I mean, to your point, Sarah,
I'm not going to say I don't think we're going
to win the Super Bowl with Michael Penix if I
play for the Falcons. But to my reaction to that
is like, just relax, bro, Like it's still preseason. It's
not even preseason, like it's training camp, and let's just relax, okay.
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Let's not set an expectation for the public to just
scrutinize all the time that just let the young man.
He hasn't played a full year yet. Let's let the
young man develop and polish and get get comfortable in
the system. It's the same thing for JJ McCarthy. Let's
just relax, okay. Let these guys get some reps, let
them get some games, let them make their mistakes more
importantly because they are still relatively young, and then we
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can we can start a narrative from there.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
So I'm just saying, hey, calm down.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
I'm thinking maybe he should have set a more modest goal,
like we're going to try to win the division, Like
let's get there first, and then we'll see other peoples,
the stars Cynthia, and then you land amongst whatever it is.
I don't know, shoot for them, among the stars, whatever,
but I get it, like if I'm gonna be if
someone's running and trying to hit me for a living,
I want to believe I can win the super Bowl too,
because that seems like a good opportunity. But I'm thinking
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winning the division. You haven't even like the Bucks have
have beaten you in the last season. This time, what
were we talking about. It's the Falcons division. They've got
Kirk Cousins. Now they're gonna win.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
It's you.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
I mean the Falcons, the Falcons, Falcons, Falcons.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And what happened? The Bucks won again.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
So when I'm saying, you know, pump the brakes, just say, hey,
we're really gonna We're going to really going to compete
in the division, because that's how you get to the postseason,
and that's how you get into the playoffs. So I'm thinking,
maybe let's just focus on postseason and start from there.
They have a hard schedule. They played the NFC West, Like,
it's not an easy schedule. Let's win the division.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
That sounds great.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
I mean, look, I love raymynd mccloughs. Confidence I do,
and I know Ravey personally, Tampa Guy Penix, Tampa Guy
Ray raised my boy. But in the words of the
lead course, so not so fast, not so fast.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I just can't see it right. Obviously. Pannic spins it.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Has a beautiful left arm, distributes the ball really well,
very accurate.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I'm very high on him.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
He came in last year and made a lot of throws.
He brought the Falcons back from games that they were down,
and he showed a lot of promising attributes that you
want as a starting quarterback. But to say you're going
to the super Bowl with him, like you guys said,
let's win the division first, Let's get a birth into
the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Let's get a playoff win, and then we'll talk.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
I have four kids and I always tell him, you
got to crawl before you walk.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
There's a guy that does a team that's crawling, and
they crawled last year and they're walking and I think
they might start jogging. You better watch out from Carolina Panthers.
What Dave Canal it's got going over there, Bryce Young
and the momentum that they had going into that the
end of twenty twenty four, guys, watch out now.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
I don't think it's I mean, what's Todd Bowll is
doing nothing?
Speaker 8 (18:53):
I mean, I'm not I'm not the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
What I am saying is every single year, the Carolina
Panthers are a team that nobody talks about. But the
momentum that you had, the confidence that Bryce Young played
with late into that season, the defense hanging around with
the Eagles during that game in Carolina, watch out for
those Carolina Panthers in the NFC South, And obviously you've
got to take into consideration in the books and the
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saint thing.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
I don't want to get butchered by my former team.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Minute. You have to take into considerations. Mantai.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
They win over year. See, this is the thing. The
Tampa people are offended. And I can speak to this
living down there. They always feel like just the fact
that taking to consideration, they're like, no, we're we've been
running away with this thing.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Now wait a minute, let me back that up. Not
running away.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
It's not like their their record is like insane running away.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
But at the end of the year, for year after
year after year, they're winning it.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And I feel like every year it's sexier to start
the year by saying this is it Like the narrative
has been that every year so far. It happened when
Carr went to the Saints, that's their division. Now it's
the Saint's division. It happened when Kirk Cousins went to Atlanta.
Now the Falcons are going to Every year they're discounted
and every year they're baker to. Cynthia was talking about
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Fantasy football quarterbacks and had Acre in the top ten.
New offensive coordinator this year. You know what he had
last year? A new offensive coordinator. You know what he
had the year a new offensive coordinator. It hasn't it
really hasn't mattered to get a person.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Stuck up for the Tampa people like I don't like
to wear that out.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I love Tampa.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
All I'm saying is there's nobody in the NFC South
right now that's riding off into the sunset like Trey
Hendrickson in Florida right now.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
That's all I'm saying. I'm about this situation.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Fair, that's fair.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Speaking of Florida, the league is of what have you
done for me lately? Business?
Speaker 6 (20:30):
And in that division, I feel I understand why the
Buccaneers feel slighted, yes, out of everybody in that division.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
What have you done?
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Formulatedly, they are the most recent team who has won
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
They can hang their hat on that.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Right And each year they go into the division and
they come out the record's not sexy, right, No, it's
never sexy. But they win a division, they clinch a
playoff birth, a home playoff berth and they're the only
team in the last few several years in that division
who has hosted the Lombardi Trophy. So they are able
to talk and walk around with that confidence as they
rightfully should.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And don't forget just completely written off when Tom Brady left,
Like the idea was this team was just going off
a cliff tom Brady's out, They didn't have a quarterback,
they didn't know what they were going to do. Kyle
Trash and then Jason Light goes in and resuscitates Baker
Mayfield's career.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I mean, nobody knew where he was going.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And to Baker's credit, he has had career year after
career year after career year.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Welcome back to GMFB.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Joining us now longtime sports writer and World Series of
Poker commentator Norman Chad with us.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
We're told big NFL fan, since I was that big
who's your team?
Speaker 10 (21:42):
My team's the Pittsburgh Steelers, even though I literally have never.
Speaker 11 (21:45):
Been to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Well, then my house is your team.
Speaker 10 (21:47):
Just when I was a kid, I liked Franco Harris,
I like Terry Bradshaw, and I liked me and Joe Green.
I just started rooting for the Pittsburgh Steelers when I
was about ten years old.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You like those uniforms, I just show those through about
John did not.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
I don't either.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Like jockeys, like the power range on that.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Guys at throwbacks. Come on, get into get into the spirit.
All right, here's what we're going to do.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
We're really going to get into the spirit clearly of
poker here and play a little bit of poker. We're
going to deal out five cards. These cards are going
to be the hand that Norman is dealt. Each card
has a topic on it. We're going to flip them
over one by one. So are we dealing these out?
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Now?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
We're just grabbing one of these.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
This is the first one. Here you go.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Okay, so now I have a card. Am I flipping
this over? Yesing this over to show over? Oh, let
me do it this way?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yes, this is work. Cvuis Okay, we've Abby's blocked this
out correctly.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
You're a big You're a big big unrehearsal here right, Norman,
big NFL fan. Tell us how you spend your Sundays
watching the games.
Speaker 10 (22:40):
Well, first of all, when I moved from Washington, DC
to Los Angeles, I had to learn to wake up
to watch games, because it was ridiculous that you had
to wake up at eight or nine in the morning
to watch football on the West Coast. But then I
had two friends and we decided we want to watch
all the games. And first we went to a sports
bar right near the airport. It was one of the
greatest sports bars we've ever seen. You could see four
or five games not even having to swivel at your head.
Speaker 11 (23:00):
We love that.
Speaker 10 (23:01):
But two of my friends did not live near the
sports bar, so one of them decided he was going
to build his own. So in his office he got
eight flat screens, he got eight direct TV receivers and bang.
Speaker 11 (23:13):
We'd go there, we'd have our own. It was just
it was delightful.
Speaker 10 (23:17):
My other friend decided that's not good enough because once
in a while on the morning games there's nine or
ten or eleven games, So we always had to vote
a game off the island when there was eight, so
he built one with ten TV sets.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
These are good friends to have, they're incredible, So you're
supposed to build the one with twelve.
Speaker 11 (23:32):
I cannot.
Speaker 10 (23:32):
But now I have to drive an hour away because
they live out in the valley. I live near Lax
and we'd watch the ten games and it's just I
know everyone loves the NFL red zone, and red zone
is terrific, but we're NFL all zone. I mean, you
just watch every game and it was terrific and it
became a way of life for us. Now, the thing
about it that got me mad is that my one
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friend was a big gambler and a fantasy guy.
Speaker 11 (23:58):
My other friend was an NFL agent.
Speaker 10 (24:00):
So when they're watching games, my NFL Asian friend didn't
have a lot of big clients. Sent had a lot
of second stringers. So my fantasy guy is sitting there
watching the game, rooting for sacks interceptions because he's got
the Broncos defour My NFL agent friend is sitting there
rooting for injuries because every time someone gets injured, he's
I got the backup O line aligneman for the Raiders.
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So he's looking for injuries. So we're sitting there, this
is twenty four years ago. We're sitting there twenty four
years ago, and he's got a lot of backup quarterbacks
and we're watching a Patriots game. Drew Bledsoe goes down
in one. He says, I got the backup. He's Tom
Brady's agent.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
Wow, Wow, Donee.
Speaker 10 (24:37):
Don Ye hasn't worked a day in his life since
you've got Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
You upset to Tom Brady's put fifty TVs on the
wall at that point.
Speaker 11 (24:45):
My god, it's incredible.
Speaker 10 (24:46):
We could have had cocktails for bottle service at the stable. So, yeah,
he's been Tom's agent for twenty four years. And since
I'm a Steelers fan, I have rooted against the Patriots
for twenty four years.
Speaker 11 (24:56):
And it's been.
Speaker 10 (24:57):
Tough because we also have two large TVs and only
one gets sound the Patriots. Always, no matter who the plant,
we got to have the Patriots on the big TV,
we gotta have the Patriots on the sound. It's kind
kind of frustrating watching the Patriots winning for this long.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Men enormous, So you have two guys, myself and Jelou.
We've played football, You've obviously been at the poker table.
I've never been at a poker table before. Are there
similarities between the NFL and the poker room.
Speaker 10 (25:22):
The only similarities is that it's a tough way to
make an easy living. As I stand poker either way
and poker I always talk about, well, you know, the
thing about poker is that you're on your own. You
got no teammates, and nobody's trying to hitch it. In football,
you know, you can blame your teammates, but you got
to guaranteed income. Poker is a tough way to make
a living. So in poker, it's you know, you can go,
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you can go year after year after year and lose
and you can't lose, and you can lose games in
the NFL, but you're getting paid now. As far as
watching it, I don't know how people watch poker live.
Like when you go to watch an NFL game, I
don't care. If you're in Buffalo and it's twenty five
degrees and you're freezing, it's a great experience, and you
got the replays up there and all that. In poker,
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if you're twenty five feet away from a table, you
can't see anything. You have no idea what's going on
as a live experience. So when friends and family come
in to watch poker, if they're watching on the rail
and there are tables nearby, they can't see anything. And
even when they make the final table, it's a TV
table and there's a couple hundred people.
Speaker 11 (26:22):
In the stands.
Speaker 10 (26:23):
You're sitting there and all you see is a big
screen up there that puts out the five cards in
the middle. You can't see the chips, you can't see
the action. You have no idea how your guy's doing.
I mean, you're better off going to a hardware store
and watching the guy make keys because that's more action.
So to watch live poker is next to impossible, while
watching live NFL is about as good as it gets.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, it's like when Booker had that little boogermobile.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
It happens in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Booker had a little boogermobile and he was blocking everybody's
fan those in the front row seat. So it happens.
It happens in NFL too.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
I mean, that's why we need you, because we need
you to tell us all the different things going on
in poker. But you mentioned tom Ra. Thank you for.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Flipping dealer car.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
Yeah, yeah, you mentioned Tom Brady earlier. He's regarded as
goat the greatest of all time. Who is the goat
in the poker world that we should all kind of
know about.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
Well, if you're in the poker world, you know who
the goat is because he tells you every ten minutes.
So poker's a lot about ego and attitude. So Phil
Hellmuth is the goat. At the World Series of Poker,
Phil Hellmuth has when you win a title, they give
you a bracelet.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yep.
Speaker 10 (27:24):
So there's like one hundred World Series tournaments every year
and you get a bracelet for any of all of them.
They're really hard to win because the fields are so large.
So Phil Hellmuth has seventeen bracelets. Nobody else has more
than eleven. So it's probably harder in a lot of
ways to win seventeen World Series bracelets than it is
to win seven Super.
Speaker 11 (27:43):
Bowls, as Tom Brady did.
Speaker 10 (27:45):
It's a lot safer for starters, but you're on your own.
Speaker 11 (27:48):
You gotta I don't know.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
He looks like he's doing some death defying stunts in
these pictures.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
All of us.
Speaker 10 (27:56):
He likes to make a lot of different entrances when
he comes to the World Series. Sometimes he's been Julius Caesar,
sometimes he's been a World War two general, and it
just it just it just makes those entrances. But when
you're winning those titles, there's a lot of luck involved,
and because of the flip of the card, you could
be a four to one favorite and still lose the
biggest part of your life for the biggest hand of
your life. So it's really hard to win seventeen plus
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when you're winning the bracelets compared to winning the titles.
You know, you don't you know you can you win
those bracelets. You don't have you know, you don't have
the benefit of the flight gate or spygate or tuckgate
or Walt Holman or anything. You got no officials help
and you it's just your skill and the luck. Well,
Tom Brady know you can't deflate a deck of cards.
I'm sorry, it doesn't make a difference. So I think
it's actually tougher to win these titles against hundreds, if
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not thousands of players each time than it is to
win an NFL title. I'm not taking anything away from
Tom Brady. In seven Super Bowls, but yeah, you're in
a weak division for a lot of years and you're home.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Normous.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
He's I's gonna call you.
Speaker 10 (28:59):
Two home games, and you're in the super Bowl, and
then you got you know, you've got six officials on
your side. You're gonna win a lot more titles than
you are.
Speaker 11 (29:07):
World Series brace you.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Can tell he's a Pittsburgh Steeler. Fen there you go.
I like it.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Okay, but's you got, Julia, So you've been around the
poker table for a while now. Just a couple of
years ago, Pro Football Hall of Famer Richard Seymour made
a run at the World Series of Poker. Tell us
what was that like watching him go on that kind
of run.
Speaker 10 (29:26):
You know, first of all, to see that large of
a man at a poker table around people like me,
it's just it's you know, it's David and deliath So
it's a delight to see him there. Second of all,
you know, we love it when celebrities and athletes come
to play, and a lot of celebrities would come to play,
Ray Romano, Don Cheatle Ben Affleck who played in the
World Series of Poker, Toby Maguire. It's hard to make
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them get deep into the tournament because they're not that good.
Richard Seymour was good. So the year that he played
the World Series of Poker main event, it's ten thousand
dollars to buy your way in Okay. Ten thousand players
played in this thing two ago. He finished two hundred
and eighty fourth. So in the tournament you have ten
thousand players, only fifteen percent of the players make money
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and get their money back, so the top fifteen hundred
make money. He finished two eighty fourth, and I was
I was torn watching them because I'm rooting for him
because it's great for poker.
Speaker 11 (30:20):
A Super Bowl.
Speaker 10 (30:21):
Champion is playing, and it's great for the game. It's
great with celebrities and athletes go far. And he's also
the nicest guy in the world, perfect, perfect countenance at
the table.
Speaker 11 (30:31):
You love playing with them.
Speaker 10 (30:32):
But I'm torn because I hate the Patriots, and I
just you know, I know he's got nothing, he's.
Speaker 11 (30:37):
Just playing football.
Speaker 10 (30:39):
But I'm sitting that I want him to go far,
but he's with the Patriots, so I didn't know which
way to go. And I met him again, He's so delightful,
and again it was great for him. He's had other
success at the World Series, at the World Poker Tour.
And I'm always surprised that more athletes don't transition into
poker because you're competitive, so when you retire, we're you
gonna take out that competition. Golf course, golf.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yeah, I'm on the golf course nowadays.
Speaker 11 (31:01):
I can't think break the golf course does poker.
Speaker 10 (31:03):
You can play twenty four seven year round that doesn't
care about the weather and stuff. And it's a mind game,
you know, it's not a sport. It's a mind sport. Maybe,
but I'm always surprised we don't.
Speaker 11 (31:13):
See more former athletes playing poker.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
Well, the way my back's been filled in the last
couple of days, maybe I need to put down the
golf clubs and hit the poker table.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
So maybe I'll take you up on that.
Speaker 11 (31:21):
You'd love it.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
I think a lot of like offensive coordinators should talk
to poker players and learn a little bit more about
poker because they become very predictable, and you need to
throw in a little bit of like bluffing and a
little bit of like that unpredictability. Like maybe maybe you know,
you can give them some lessons.
Speaker 10 (31:36):
You know, I can't give any lessons because I lose
the poker table. You bring up, You bring up a
good point. Since the poker players who who follow the NFL,
they believe offensive coordinators are like twenty five years behind
the times. They do all the analytics, and they do
you know when you should go for it and on this,
and that they're not gambling, and some of them they
should always go forward on fourth.
Speaker 11 (31:56):
Down no matter where you are.
Speaker 10 (31:57):
They believe that their analytics are superior to the offensive
coordinators analytics.
Speaker 11 (32:01):
And they will sit here and talk your ear.
Speaker 10 (32:03):
Off about the mistake that coaches make during NFL games.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
These are synthias. Make that happen for the analytics or Cynthia.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Maybe you should be in Maybe you should go into
poker that that actually is what I'm hearing. Okay, this
brings us to our last topic. It's obviously important you
need a good poker face to win and to have
success at the table. Give us the current NFL player
that you think has the best poker face.
Speaker 11 (32:28):
Nice, Oh, that has the best poker face.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
Well, again, the thing about the NFL is that you
have the helmets on, so you don't you know in poker,
except some people now are putting like a scarfon, so
you can't see the pulse here. They're putting hoodies on,
they're putting sunglasses on, they're doing everything to kind of
to so you can't see that poker face anymore. So
in football with the helmets on, it's tougher to see
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a poker face. But for an NFL player with the
best poker face right now, you know, I think, I
think I'm going to go with Josh Allen.
Speaker 11 (33:10):
Got the slight mustache. Okay, we has a mustache on it.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
Mustache is key, okay, not a not a Gardner Minshew mustache. Okay,
that's for nightclubs. But the slight mustache. You know, first
of all, you can sometimes sweat on your upper lip
when you're playing poker, and sometimes sweat here, sometimes sweat here.
So the mustache without you having to put something on
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that protects all that, just like a full beard like
James Harden has, is awesome for poker. But the mustache
I think throws people off. I've had a porn stash
since nineteen eighty five. What can we say that on
porn stash people wonder how long I was in the industry.
I was not in the industry that long. So anyway,
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when you have a mustache, when you have facial hair,
you generally have a better poker face. So that's why
I like Josh's simple poker face when he's playing a game.
Plus he doesn't you know, when he's when he's going
well and he's going bad. The face stays the same
when he's in the huddle, which is true for a
lot of guys, but some guys seem to be more emotional.
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Baker Mayfield seems to be more emotional on the field.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Hard on a sleeve kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, I would think when we were talking about faces,
what jumped in mind?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
And there's no facial here here.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
But I was thinking Joe Burrow because I think of
the ice in the vein, like doesn't show anything, like
I feel like, so I feel like he doesn't sweat,
you know what I mean? Like, I feel like he
doesn't have those tells because it doesn't affect him at all.
Speaker 11 (34:36):
I would take him.
Speaker 10 (34:36):
Actually, let me stand back and say that even though
he doesn't have the mustache, I take Joe Burrow over
Josh Allen. Okay, that's actually very important. I think for
quarterbacks to have the poker face. Yeah, especially you can
tell body language, and we'll just talk about poker language.
Speaker 11 (34:51):
Body language, you can you can get down.
Speaker 10 (34:54):
And so when you're in that huddle and and everything's
got to stay going no matter how bad it's going,
you got to have a poker face. You gotta be
you got to be straight on at a poker table.
You can tell some time when the poker players losing there,
you know, they go back here there's something on the
table and showing they're tired. And so that's the guy
that I was talking about earlier, Phil Helmers. He only
sits up erects as tall as you get. He's six
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foot six, so he's like he's overwhelming the table and
he keeps that body language going.
Speaker 11 (35:21):
And I think the.
Speaker 10 (35:22):
Best NFL quarterbacks should do that with their face and
their language are guys like Joe Burrow and Joshua I
think a.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Young guy that's really good has a good poker faces
Jaden Daniels, because if you watch Jayden Daniels, I don't
know if you saw the hell Mary last year, the
guy didn't celebrate at all, Like you couldn't tell whether
he won the game or lost the game. And that's
happened a lot in his young career where he's so
stoic that he doesn't he doesn't have peaks and valleys.
Speaker 8 (35:44):
He usually just stays even keeling.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
So that's one guy that I was thinking about, alongside
Joe Burrow, as was Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Those are the guys.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Honestly, the guys that scared me are the guys that
have no emotion, right the guy, I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
That's the guy. And I think we get fired up by.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
The person that has like their heart on their sleeves,
and it's the no emotion guys that I'm like, Oh,
I don't want any part of that.
Speaker 10 (36:01):
Yeah, speaking of that, there's a lot of NFL kickers
I have no common fence in because when they come
out there, I mean, they look like they're a dear
frozen the headlines.
Speaker 11 (36:09):
Yeah, and I'm sorry to.
Speaker 10 (36:10):
Start to do this. Just kick the darn ball. What
are you gonna do something? Vision Quest, Just kick the
darn ball and stop scared.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
The rangefinder it's their personal rangefinder.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I'm the guy who was just brushing his hair the
whole time.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
Okay, yep, just a nervous wreck real quick, I will
say I can't say a specific person or player, but
I will say a specific position group and you might
say I'm biased.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
It's the secondary. You have to be even killed.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
He's gonna have your high, you're gonna have your loads,
you're gonna get beat in front of eighty thousands, millions
of people on national TV. You have to be even
kill next play mentality. They always teach us that from
high school, college NFL as a dB even kill poker
face mentality.
Speaker 10 (36:52):
That's a good lesson in poker because just like the DV,
you could make a huge mistake and lose half your stack,
and you got to move on, and you got to
get to put that out of your heads. Sometimes they
want to get that that that chips back up the
next hand with a.
Speaker 11 (37:04):
Hand after that. You can't do that. You have the
game come to you.
Speaker 10 (37:07):
So, just like a dB, you got to put that
out of your head and just move on and play
your best poker on each and every card you Yet
one play out of time.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
I would be thrown out so fast.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I couldn't do it like I couldn't do I would
just be this is why wouldn't you get a golf
I would just throw the cards I'd be like, I quit,
I got terrible card, Like that's I don't have it
in me.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I don't have it in me. Not everybody has it.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
You know.
Speaker 10 (37:24):
We don't like We don't like anybody's throwing cards.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I know.
Speaker 10 (37:27):
Okay, unless you better.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
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Morning, Good Morning Football, Good morning.
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It is Tuesday. Training camp is in session.
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We got a whole bunch of teams in action and
a lot to get to. Sarah Walsh, Mantiteo, Cynthia Freeland,
and Jaliel a Die, who is playing hurt today. I mean,
that's something you got to do in the NFL times.
But he's lost his voice because.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Of why my oldest son, Zion on to die.
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Seven year World Series Pencil Division Southern California finished in.
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The final four. He loves baseball.
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I was just talking to Manti Mantize, like, dude, don't
even introduce them the football yet, don't don't even major
League baseball play Wait a.
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Minute, are you like one of these crazy that you
said you've lost your voice show yelling.
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And you just yelling.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
I'm coaching from the sideline because I was technically supposed
to coach this year, but my wife had a new baby,
so I had to help out with it.
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You got a lot happening, so I was just.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
Like being dad, being coached, being supporter, but really really
proud of him.
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He did an awesome job.
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You have like a go to like what's your just like,
go are you pumping up?
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Guy?
Speaker 7 (01:48):
Are you like watch this?
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Watch this?
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Okay?
Speaker 6 (01:50):
Like you, I'm telling the infield to move outfield to
play back.
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It's a lefty job. It's a riety. We're shifted like,
I'm all over it, like and I don't know you're
shifting like a.
Speaker 6 (02:00):
Professional background or what it is, but I'm all over
those kids.
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But they appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Is the coach of his team ever like, hey, you
over there, you need to take it down a notch.
Speaker 6 (02:09):
Not at all, because the coach of his team was
my rival in spring, and we go back and forth
and we got him this year twice.
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Oh. I like this.
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I like this the game within a game.
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We actually will talk some football here after all our
little league baseball talk, which is incredibly interesting. But we
want to bring in our Tom pellisera coach. Stay insiders,
because you know what's interesting.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
What's happening for the Bengals.
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There are a couple of really big names on defense
not at training camp.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Tom.
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This thing, this thing could spiral if they don't get
it under control. What is the latest on Shamar Stewart
and Trey Hendrickson.
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Well, Sarah.
Speaker 9 (02:43):
The Bengals are set to report to training camp today
and as of this moment, neither of perhaps their two
most important players on defense are even in the state.
Let's start out with Trey Hendrickson, who posted early this
morning that he has gone back home to the Jacksonville
area in Florida. He'd actually been in Ohio in recent
weeks doing community the events and other things. There appeared
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to be a window yesterday in which potentially a deal
was going to get done with Trey Hendrickson, who has
one year and sixteen million dollars left on his contract.
That has made abundantly clear he is not going to
play for that. However, my understanding is the Bengals have
been sticking with their traditional contract structure, which they do
not guarantee anything beyond the initial bonus in the contract.
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Now they have broken that president with like said, Joe
Burrow and Jamar Chase to get those deals done to
this point, they have not been willing to do that
with Trey Hendrickson. We'll see exactly how this thing developed.
Sometimes you need to get to the point where players
start putting on pad, get a little deeper in training camp.
Speaker 8 (03:46):
Until things thought.
Speaker 9 (03:47):
But at this point there is no certainty about when
or even if Trey Hendrickson is going to end up
back in Cincinnati. As for Shamar Stewart, he has been
back in Texas where he played college football, continuing to
trade and has yet to put on a Bengals uniform
even for practice. The dispute in Shamar Stewart's case it's
not on the years, it's not on the money. All
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that is said under the collective bargaining agreement. This is
on new language that the Bengals want to put into
Shamar Stewart's contract they have not had in their previous
rookie contracts now. From the Bengals perspective, as team executives
said on Monday, they feel like they have the ability
to adjust their contract light which to bring it up
to speed with what the rest of the NFL is doing.
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From Shamar Stewart's perspective and his agent, Zach Hiller's perspective,
they're saying, all we want is the same language you
gave last year's first round Pickamarius Man, same language you
gave Jamar Chase, Joe Burrow in their rookie contracts. To
this point, nobody has budged in that standoff. This comes
at a time where with the evolving college football landscape,
I am told Samar Stewart has multiple seven figure offers
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if he's willing to go back and play in college football.
Speaker 8 (04:58):
He's not there yet. There'd behoops to jump through here.
Shamar Stewart wants.
Speaker 9 (05:02):
To play football in Cincinnati, but the idea that he
is simply going to Cave today is far fetched at
this point. So Bengals headed into training camp, but a
team that invested so much in their offense in this
offseason Sarah resigning the likes of Jamar Chase and t Higgins.
They need to figure out their defense. Trey Henderson and
Samar Stewart not going to be out there as camp begins.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, it all gets started, and yet here comes the standoff.
Tom Pallisero, thank you for the very latest, and that
gets us into another round of three and out. Mantaia,
we're told that you have inside information on this, on
this scenario right on a scale of one to ninety one,
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how confident are you in the Bengals getting a deal
done with Trey Hendrickson.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Well, you're the inside. Maybe I'm sorry I should teach
up as the inside.
Speaker 8 (05:51):
I'm not the insider.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I'm just a brother of Trey Hendrickson, and I'm very
grateful to have that relationship with him. I initially wanted
to rate it a fifty seven because that's the amount
of sacks that he's had for the Cincinnati Bengals ever
since he became a Bengal. But I spoke to Trey yesterday.
He called me and we had a great conversation. And
first and foremost are Bengals fans. He wants to be
a Cincinnati Bengal that's number one. He's always wanted to
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stay in that city. He has a beautiful son now
him and his wife, they've established roots there. Let's get that.
Let's get that squared away. But I said, well, so
what's the status. He's like number one tomp He said,
he's not reporting to training camp And I said.
Speaker 8 (06:27):
Well, how far are you? How far are you off
from them?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
He's like, bro, they are atrociously, atrociously low. And so
because of that, I know it's one to ninety one. Guys,
it's a zero for me. Okay, based on my conversation
with Trey, it's a zero. And I said, what's what's
what's the deal? He's like, well, it's all about the
guaranteed money and jilil.
Speaker 8 (06:47):
You know this.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
It doesn't matter what they post him. When there is
the words up to in the contract, you you're getting
paid this and it could be up to you might
as well just cancel whatever number comes after those words.
Speaker 8 (06:59):
Up too, because it's never going to happen.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Trey even told me that him and his representatives even.
Speaker 8 (07:04):
Offered to take less years to.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
Decrease the length of the contract, and the Bengals organization
said no.
Speaker 8 (07:11):
So from somebody who's had fifty seven sacks for you.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
He'd led the NFL in sacks last year, and he
was one of the top the year before that, and
he continues to be that for your defense on a
defense that doesn't have a lot of support.
Speaker 8 (07:24):
There.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Come on, Cincinnati, like, you have the number one offense,
but we learned last year that you could have the
greatest offense on turf. But if you can't stop the
opposing offense from scoring, you have no cho you have
no shot, and you're in the AFC North, which has
some of the best quarterbacks, best offensive schemes in the NFL.
So you better get number ninety one out there. I
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don't know where the confusion is. I don't know what
we're even talking about here. You have somebody that really
loves organization, really loves that city, really has done a
lot for that city. So I went from fifty seven
to a big fat zero based on what my brother
Trey said me, So stop being so atrociously low, but Cincinnati,
let's go.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
I'll look like a slightly more optimistic than you because
you said fifty seven was his total sex well last
season it was seventeen and a half. So I'm going
seventeen and a half out of ninety one because that
is the number of sacks that led the league last year,
and that was what he did and he, by the way,
did that same number the year prior as well. So
consistency something to rely on up front. This is a
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big deal, especially when you look at since that Super
Bowl season, look at the end of the back end.
You guys always talk about the front. In the back
they have to work together. Let's see who they've had
super Bowl season, they had Jesse Bates, Von Bell, Chidobio, Woozya.
Now what it's very there are very few holdovers from
when they were very successful to what's gone on the
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past two seasons. Right, So when you're looking at Trey
Hendricks said, why are you not you talk about where
is the disconnect? I'm unclear as well, because it seems
like we talked about this. You knew this was coming,
you knew he was unhappy. I think he signed a
deal in COVID times when things were a little bit
more murky. I believe it was prop with some sort
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of thoughtfulness towards if you perform well, we will pay
you and figure this out.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
And that hasn't happened.
Speaker 7 (09:10):
So now, okay, this is where we're at.
Speaker 6 (09:14):
Yeah, I love it what both of you gus guys said.
And I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna go three numbers,
and you're gonna ask why I'm going.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
One, five, and nine. Separate, separate, separate, separate.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
That's why they're so far apart y.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Yeah, you see the space.
Speaker 6 (09:28):
So one, Jamar Chase, five, T Higgins nine, Joe Burrow.
And I say this because they just broke the bank
on all three of those guys, And at this point
in time, it's almost like that that organization needs a
foul bankruptcy because of how much money they've spent on them.
And I don't think it's necessarily the fact that they
don't want to sign Trade.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I just don't think the money's there.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
And like you said, he's been very productive, the best
defensive player on the team for the longest and the
last time the Bankers has signed anybody on the defensive
side was Geno Atkins and Carlos Dunlap, who were superstars
for them on the defensive side up and that was
under a different regime, right, so this is a whole
different regime and Obviously they're focused on the offense. I
think they could have spread that money out a little differently.
I love t Higgins. I thought he was going to
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go somewhere else. I thought the Chargers were going to
be a spot for him. I think they could have
saved that money and would have been able to pay tray.
But obviously they haven't done that, and they went that route.
I'm focusing on the offense, and I think that's the
sole reason why Trey Henderson is on the highway in
Florida right now in ninety five degree weather on sunrise.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, and to add to everybody's point, you know who
their defensive coordinator is, Al Golden. Al Golden was with
Notre Dame in the past few years. And what does
Al Golden want to do. He wants to blitz, and
he wants to play man pressure. And you talk about
the back end in the front, if you don't have
a rush, your dvs are going to get torched. So
if you don't have number ninety one out there, you're
gonna get torch. And so for the Cincinnati Bengals, let
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let's let's make this thing happen.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
And I want to make a point real quick.
Speaker 6 (10:49):
We talked about Lamar Jackson in fantasy and that's a
guy that you have to go through if you want
to win a division, right, that's the guy you have
to go through twice if you want to win a division.
I keep saying it, rush and cover work together. You
can have the best secondary in the world. If you
don't get pressure on a guy like Lamar Jackson, if
you don't disrupt his timing, if you don't get the
ball out of his hands quickly, it's going to be
a long afternoon for you. And that's what is going
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to be if you don't sign Cherry Anderson back to
have that pressure Lamar Jackson early and often when you
play them.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
And would you say this is the best secondary ever?
Speaker 4 (11:18):
Absolutely positively not right.
Speaker 7 (11:21):
So now you're one hand behind your back. Then you're
tied the other hand behind your back.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
So the two defensive guys sitting here at the table
with us, say, pay the man, pay the defensive star
figured out talking about an offensive guy and a team
you two know very well. Chargers veteran wide receiver Mike
Williams informed the team this week that he is retiring
from the NFL. So that takes us to second down.
What player needs to step up for the Chargers offense
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this season, Cynthia.
Speaker 7 (11:47):
Well, unsurprisingly, I'm going with the old line. You want
your you want your Do you want your wide receiver
to have a chance to catch the ball? Do you
want your quarterback to have a chance to throw the ball? Well,
they bring in Mackay Beckton. His nickname is big Ticket.
With your name is nickname is big Ticket. You come
from the Eagles and then formally the Jets. You have
big expectations. They're going to be playing him now at
break guard presumably. So when I'm looking at the opportunity here,
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this is a guy who they it seemed like they
had they targeted in free agency. It was someone that
they seem to put a lot of emphasis on getting.
You put that kind of episode. If Jim Harbaugh says
he wants to and you go, they all go out
and get him. In this way, the expectations couldn't be
any bigger because that's what kind of helps make everything
else go. So for me, big ticket, big expectations needs
to step.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Up, big ticket, big payday, big human being. Yeah, I
love that addition for the Chargers that I'm gonna stay
with the Chargers because the guy that I think that
needs to step up in this year is Quinton Johnson.
Speaker 8 (12:40):
Jalil you alluded to the earlier in the show about.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Taking having somebody that can take the attention.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Off of Lad McConkie.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
That's what you need, you eve, and just mentioned t
Higgins and a possibility of going to the Chargers.
Speaker 8 (12:51):
That would have been scary.
Speaker 1 (12:52):
But he has in his short career so far had
this problem with dropping catches, and that's something that for
somebody who knows the mental battle and just the confidence
a lack of confidence coming from TCU. He was this
big target very fast, and so there was an expectation
for him. It's been a little rough in his short
career so far, however, with somebody like Jim Harball instilling
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that confidence in you, that belief. You see that the
miked up comments that Jim Harball says to his players,
I'm expecting him to have a better year because the
Chargers aren't gonna need need that from him in order
to have a successful offense going into twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6 (13:29):
Yeah, man, Ty, I'm gonna sound like a broken record
when I say I'm piggybacking off of what you said,
But it has to be Quentin Johnson this year. Obviously,
Mike Williams was going to be that deep threat for
Justin Herbert. Herbert has a big arm, rocket for an arm,
Quinn Johnson has to be that guy for him.
Speaker 4 (13:42):
Obviously.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
I did the Chargers coaching internship for two years in
a row. I came in when Quentin Johnson was a
rookie there and he had a really really strong camp
both years. So it's been surprising to me that he
gets into the season and then he has those drop problems.
I still believe as a former Charger, someone who studies
a Charger, someone who watches Chargers, he still can be
that next big threat for them down the field. That
will open up the intermediate routes for Lad mcconchley, and
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they will open up the run game as well. Right
because if you play the Charges right now, you're stacking
the box and you say you're gonna.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
Have to beat us and we're gonna double Ladd.
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Somebody has to open up the offense so they can
expand the playbook, and I think Quentin Johnson has it.
Speaker 7 (14:16):
None of the other receivers, no one else.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
There there's nobody, be honest with you, there's nobody else
there right now. If you go on into the game
against the Chargers, who are you going to game plan
for at or receiver right now?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
Other than Lab McConkie.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
Who and Mike Williams would have been that guy? And
that's why I want to see them in training camp.
Who's gonna be that guy to step up? Quentin Johnson
has to be that guy to step up because if
I'm a dB, I'm watching film on lad and I'm
gonna say, you know what, he's coach, We call him Jags.
They're just a guy, and he's not a guy that
we're going to be scared of. They're not a guy
that we're gonna roll our defense to. The only person
you're doing that for in the Chargers offense right now, respectfully,
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is Lab McConkie.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
All right, Well, we were talking this morning about Julia
and I both being from Tampa. We're going to talk
about another Tampa guy here, and I don't mean Tampa
Bay buccaneer is a guy that's from Tampa, Michael Pennix Junior.
When we talk about big expectations on offensive guys, Falcons
received and we're talking about guys need to step up
in receivers.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Ray Ray McCloud. He's high on Atlanta.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
I mean he should be at this time of year, right,
making it to the big game behind the strong left
arm of their second year signal caller who hails from
our area, Jalil. The Falcons wide receiver Ray Ray Cloud
said this.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Via Pro Football Network.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
I'm excited and I'm not going to be surprised by
any of it. I've watched Pennix every day for the
last year at practice, and I'm just ready to see
him go into an experienced year, a polished year, and
see how it goes go all the way to the
super Bowl. Now, in fairness, I think anytime somebody at
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this time of year goes, well, this guy talking about well,
look he should be talking about the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Should he not?
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I mean there's not somebody out there that should be like,
if they go, you think you can win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Like, who's going to go? I don't think so. But
we got to show up the work, you know what
I mean? So, like I just want to like set
the tone with that. Of course he should think.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
That your thoughts, well, it's it's the same hyperbole that
all players should go through. I mean, to your point, Sarah,
I'm not going to say I don't think we're going
to win the Super Bowl with Michael Penix if I
play for the Falcons. But to my reaction to that
is like, just relax, bro, Like it's still preseason. It's
not even preseason, like it's training camp, and let's just relax, okay.
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Let's not set an expectation for the public to just
scrutinize all the time that just let the young man.
He hasn't played a full year yet. Let's let the
young man develop and polish and get get comfortable in
the system. It's the same thing for JJ McCarthy. Let's
just relax, okay. Let these guys get some reps, let
them get some games, let them make their mistakes more
importantly because they are still relatively young, and then we
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can we can start a narrative from there.
Speaker 8 (16:48):
So I'm just saying, hey, calm down.
Speaker 7 (16:51):
I'm thinking maybe he should have set a more modest goal,
like we're going to try to win the division, Like
let's get there first, and then we'll see other peoples,
the stars Cynthia, and then you land amongst whatever it is.
I don't know, shoot for them, among the stars, whatever,
but I get it, like if I'm gonna be if
someone's running and trying to hit me for a living,
I want to believe I can win the super Bowl too,
because that seems like a good opportunity. But I'm thinking
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winning the division. You haven't even like the Bucks have
have beaten you in the last season. This time, what
were we talking about. It's the Falcons division. They've got
Kirk Cousins. Now they're gonna win.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
It's you.
Speaker 7 (17:24):
I mean the Falcons, the Falcons, Falcons, Falcons.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
And what happened? The Bucks won again.
Speaker 7 (17:29):
So when I'm saying, you know, pump the brakes, just say, hey,
we're really gonna We're going to really going to compete
in the division, because that's how you get to the postseason,
and that's how you get into the playoffs. So I'm thinking,
maybe let's just focus on postseason and start from there.
They have a hard schedule. They played the NFC West, Like,
it's not an easy schedule. Let's win the division.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
That sounds great.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
I mean, look, I love raymynd mccloughs. Confidence I do,
and I know Ravey personally, Tampa Guy Penix, Tampa Guy
Ray raised my boy. But in the words of the
lead course, so not so fast, not so fast.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
I just can't see it right. Obviously. Pannic spins it.
Speaker 6 (18:07):
Has a beautiful left arm, distributes the ball really well,
very accurate.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
I'm very high on him.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
He came in last year and made a lot of throws.
He brought the Falcons back from games that they were down,
and he showed a lot of promising attributes that you
want as a starting quarterback. But to say you're going
to the super Bowl with him, like you guys said,
let's win the division first, Let's get a birth into
the playoffs.
Speaker 4 (18:27):
Let's get a playoff win, and then we'll talk.
Speaker 6 (18:29):
I have four kids and I always tell him, you
got to crawl before you walk.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
There's a guy that does a team that's crawling, and
they crawled last year and they're walking and I think
they might start jogging. You better watch out from Carolina Panthers.
What Dave Canal it's got going over there, Bryce Young
and the momentum that they had going into that the
end of twenty twenty four, guys, watch out now.
Speaker 7 (18:49):
I don't think it's I mean, what's Todd Bowll is
doing nothing?
Speaker 8 (18:53):
I mean, I'm not I'm not the Bucks.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
What I am saying is every single year, the Carolina
Panthers are a team that nobody talks about. But the
momentum that you had, the confidence that Bryce Young played
with late into that season, the defense hanging around with
the Eagles during that game in Carolina, watch out for
those Carolina Panthers in the NFC South, And obviously you've
got to take into consideration in the books and the
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saint thing.
Speaker 8 (19:18):
I don't want to get butchered by my former team.
Speaker 3 (19:20):
Minute. You have to take into considerations. Mantai.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
They win over year. See, this is the thing. The
Tampa people are offended. And I can speak to this
living down there. They always feel like just the fact
that taking to consideration, they're like, no, we're we've been
running away with this thing.
Speaker 3 (19:34):
Now wait a minute, let me back that up. Not
running away.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
It's not like their their record is like insane running away.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
But at the end of the year, for year after
year after year, they're winning it.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
And I feel like every year it's sexier to start
the year by saying this is it Like the narrative
has been that every year so far. It happened when
Carr went to the Saints, that's their division. Now it's
the Saint's division. It happened when Kirk Cousins went to Atlanta.
Now the Falcons are going to Every year they're discounted
and every year they're baker to. Cynthia was talking about
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Fantasy football quarterbacks and had Acre in the top ten.
New offensive coordinator this year. You know what he had
last year? A new offensive coordinator. You know what he
had the year a new offensive coordinator. It hasn't it
really hasn't mattered to get a person.
Speaker 7 (20:12):
Stuck up for the Tampa people like I don't like
to wear that out.
Speaker 4 (20:15):
I love Tampa.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
All I'm saying is there's nobody in the NFC South
right now that's riding off into the sunset like Trey
Hendrickson in Florida right now.
Speaker 8 (20:21):
That's all I'm saying. I'm about this situation.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Fair, that's fair.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Speaking of Florida, the league is of what have you
done for me lately? Business?
Speaker 6 (20:30):
And in that division, I feel I understand why the
Buccaneers feel slighted, yes, out of everybody in that division.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
What have you done?
Speaker 6 (20:36):
Formulatedly, they are the most recent team who has won
the Super Bowl.
Speaker 4 (20:39):
They can hang their hat on that.
Speaker 6 (20:41):
Right And each year they go into the division and
they come out the record's not sexy, right, No, it's
never sexy. But they win a division, they clinch a
playoff birth, a home playoff berth and they're the only
team in the last few several years in that division
who has hosted the Lombardi Trophy. So they are able
to talk and walk around with that confidence as they
rightfully should.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
And don't forget just completely written off when Tom Brady left,
Like the idea was this team was just going off
a cliff tom Brady's out, They didn't have a quarterback,
they didn't know what they were going to do. Kyle
Trash and then Jason Light goes in and resuscitates Baker
Mayfield's career.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I mean, nobody knew where he was going.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
And to Baker's credit, he has had career year after
career year after career year.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Welcome back to GMFB.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Joining us now longtime sports writer and World Series of
Poker commentator Norman Chad with us.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
We're told big NFL fan, since I was that big
who's your team?
Speaker 10 (21:42):
My team's the Pittsburgh Steelers, even though I literally have never.
Speaker 11 (21:45):
Been to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Well, then my house is your team.
Speaker 10 (21:47):
Just when I was a kid, I liked Franco Harris,
I like Terry Bradshaw, and I liked me and Joe Green.
I just started rooting for the Pittsburgh Steelers when I
was about ten years old.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
You like those uniforms, I just show those through about
John did not.
Speaker 7 (22:01):
I don't either.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Like jockeys, like the power range on that.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
Guys at throwbacks. Come on, get into get into the spirit.
All right, here's what we're going to do.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
We're really going to get into the spirit clearly of
poker here and play a little bit of poker. We're
going to deal out five cards. These cards are going
to be the hand that Norman is dealt. Each card
has a topic on it. We're going to flip them
over one by one. So are we dealing these out?
Speaker 6 (22:19):
Now?
Speaker 3 (22:19):
We're just grabbing one of these.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
This is the first one. Here you go.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Okay, so now I have a card. Am I flipping
this over? Yesing this over to show over? Oh, let
me do it this way?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Yes, this is work. Cvuis Okay, we've Abby's blocked this
out correctly.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
You're a big You're a big big unrehearsal here right, Norman,
big NFL fan. Tell us how you spend your Sundays
watching the games.
Speaker 10 (22:40):
Well, first of all, when I moved from Washington, DC
to Los Angeles, I had to learn to wake up
to watch games, because it was ridiculous that you had
to wake up at eight or nine in the morning
to watch football on the West Coast. But then I
had two friends and we decided we want to watch
all the games. And first we went to a sports
bar right near the airport. It was one of the
greatest sports bars we've ever seen. You could see four
or five games not even having to swivel at your head.
Speaker 11 (23:00):
We love that.
Speaker 10 (23:01):
But two of my friends did not live near the
sports bar, so one of them decided he was going
to build his own. So in his office he got
eight flat screens, he got eight direct TV receivers and bang.
Speaker 11 (23:13):
We'd go there, we'd have our own. It was just
it was delightful.
Speaker 10 (23:17):
My other friend decided that's not good enough because once
in a while on the morning games there's nine or
ten or eleven games, So we always had to vote
a game off the island when there was eight, so
he built one with ten TV sets.
Speaker 7 (23:28):
These are good friends to have, they're incredible, So you're
supposed to build the one with twelve.
Speaker 11 (23:32):
I cannot.
Speaker 10 (23:32):
But now I have to drive an hour away because
they live out in the valley. I live near Lax
and we'd watch the ten games and it's just I
know everyone loves the NFL red zone, and red zone
is terrific, but we're NFL all zone. I mean, you
just watch every game and it was terrific and it
became a way of life for us. Now, the thing
about it that got me mad is that my one
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friend was a big gambler and a fantasy guy.
Speaker 11 (23:58):
My other friend was an NFL agent.
Speaker 10 (24:00):
So when they're watching games, my NFL Asian friend didn't
have a lot of big clients. Sent had a lot
of second stringers. So my fantasy guy is sitting there
watching the game, rooting for sacks interceptions because he's got
the Broncos defour My NFL agent friend is sitting there
rooting for injuries because every time someone gets injured, he's
I got the backup O line aligneman for the Raiders.
(24:20):
So he's looking for injuries. So we're sitting there, this
is twenty four years ago. We're sitting there twenty four
years ago, and he's got a lot of backup quarterbacks
and we're watching a Patriots game. Drew Bledsoe goes down
in one. He says, I got the backup. He's Tom
Brady's agent.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
Wow, Wow, Donee.
Speaker 10 (24:37):
Don Ye hasn't worked a day in his life since
you've got Tom Brady.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
You upset to Tom Brady's put fifty TVs on the
wall at that point.
Speaker 11 (24:45):
My god, it's incredible.
Speaker 10 (24:46):
We could have had cocktails for bottle service at the stable. So, yeah,
he's been Tom's agent for twenty four years. And since
I'm a Steelers fan, I have rooted against the Patriots
for twenty four years.
Speaker 11 (24:56):
And it's been.
Speaker 10 (24:57):
Tough because we also have two large TVs and only
one gets sound the Patriots. Always, no matter who the plant,
we got to have the Patriots on the big TV,
we gotta have the Patriots on the sound. It's kind
kind of frustrating watching the Patriots winning for this long.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
Men enormous, So you have two guys, myself and Jelou.
We've played football, You've obviously been at the poker table.
I've never been at a poker table before. Are there
similarities between the NFL and the poker room.
Speaker 10 (25:22):
The only similarities is that it's a tough way to
make an easy living. As I stand poker either way
and poker I always talk about, well, you know, the
thing about poker is that you're on your own. You
got no teammates, and nobody's trying to hitch it. In football,
you know, you can blame your teammates, but you got
to guaranteed income. Poker is a tough way to make
a living. So in poker, it's you know, you can go,
(25:45):
you can go year after year after year and lose
and you can't lose, and you can lose games in
the NFL, but you're getting paid now. As far as
watching it, I don't know how people watch poker live.
Like when you go to watch an NFL game, I
don't care. If you're in Buffalo and it's twenty five
degrees and you're freezing, it's a great experience, and you
got the replays up there and all that. In poker,
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if you're twenty five feet away from a table, you
can't see anything. You have no idea what's going on
as a live experience. So when friends and family come
in to watch poker, if they're watching on the rail
and there are tables nearby, they can't see anything. And
even when they make the final table, it's a TV
table and there's a couple hundred people.
Speaker 11 (26:22):
In the stands.
Speaker 10 (26:23):
You're sitting there and all you see is a big
screen up there that puts out the five cards in
the middle. You can't see the chips, you can't see
the action. You have no idea how your guy's doing.
I mean, you're better off going to a hardware store
and watching the guy make keys because that's more action.
So to watch live poker is next to impossible, while
watching live NFL is about as good as it gets.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Yeah, it's like when Booker had that little boogermobile.
Speaker 8 (26:45):
It happens in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Booker had a little boogermobile and he was blocking everybody's
fan those in the front row seat. So it happens.
It happens in NFL too.
Speaker 7 (26:52):
I mean, that's why we need you, because we need
you to tell us all the different things going on
in poker. But you mentioned tom Ra. Thank you for.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
Flipping dealer car.
Speaker 7 (27:00):
Yeah, yeah, you mentioned Tom Brady earlier. He's regarded as
goat the greatest of all time. Who is the goat
in the poker world that we should all kind of
know about.
Speaker 10 (27:10):
Well, if you're in the poker world, you know who
the goat is because he tells you every ten minutes.
So poker's a lot about ego and attitude. So Phil
Hellmuth is the goat. At the World Series of Poker,
Phil Hellmuth has when you win a title, they give
you a bracelet.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
Yep.
Speaker 10 (27:24):
So there's like one hundred World Series tournaments every year
and you get a bracelet for any of all of them.
They're really hard to win because the fields are so large.
So Phil Hellmuth has seventeen bracelets. Nobody else has more
than eleven. So it's probably harder in a lot of
ways to win seventeen World Series bracelets than it is
to win seven Super.
Speaker 11 (27:43):
Bowls, as Tom Brady did.
Speaker 10 (27:45):
It's a lot safer for starters, but you're on your own.
Speaker 11 (27:48):
You gotta I don't know.
Speaker 7 (27:49):
He looks like he's doing some death defying stunts in
these pictures.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
All of us.
Speaker 10 (27:56):
He likes to make a lot of different entrances when
he comes to the World Series. Sometimes he's been Julius Caesar,
sometimes he's been a World War two general, and it
just it just it just makes those entrances. But when
you're winning those titles, there's a lot of luck involved,
and because of the flip of the card, you could
be a four to one favorite and still lose the
biggest part of your life for the biggest hand of
your life. So it's really hard to win seventeen plus
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when you're winning the bracelets compared to winning the titles.
You know, you don't you know you can you win
those bracelets. You don't have you know, you don't have
the benefit of the flight gate or spygate or tuckgate
or Walt Holman or anything. You got no officials help
and you it's just your skill and the luck. Well,
Tom Brady know you can't deflate a deck of cards.
I'm sorry, it doesn't make a difference. So I think
it's actually tougher to win these titles against hundreds, if
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not thousands of players each time than it is to
win an NFL title. I'm not taking anything away from
Tom Brady. In seven Super Bowls, but yeah, you're in
a weak division for a lot of years and you're home.
Speaker 4 (28:52):
Normous.
Speaker 7 (28:54):
He's I's gonna call you.
Speaker 10 (28:59):
Two home games, and you're in the super Bowl, and
then you got you know, you've got six officials on
your side. You're gonna win a lot more titles than
you are.
Speaker 11 (29:07):
World Series brace you.
Speaker 8 (29:07):
Can tell he's a Pittsburgh Steeler. Fen there you go.
I like it.
Speaker 6 (29:10):
Okay, but's you got, Julia, So you've been around the
poker table for a while now. Just a couple of
years ago, Pro Football Hall of Famer Richard Seymour made
a run at the World Series of Poker. Tell us
what was that like watching him go on that kind
of run.
Speaker 10 (29:26):
You know, first of all, to see that large of
a man at a poker table around people like me,
it's just it's you know, it's David and deliath So
it's a delight to see him there. Second of all,
you know, we love it when celebrities and athletes come
to play, and a lot of celebrities would come to play,
Ray Romano, Don Cheatle Ben Affleck who played in the
World Series of Poker, Toby Maguire. It's hard to make
(29:48):
them get deep into the tournament because they're not that good.
Richard Seymour was good. So the year that he played
the World Series of Poker main event, it's ten thousand
dollars to buy your way in Okay. Ten thousand players
played in this thing two ago. He finished two hundred
and eighty fourth. So in the tournament you have ten
thousand players, only fifteen percent of the players make money
(30:11):
and get their money back, so the top fifteen hundred
make money. He finished two eighty fourth, and I was
I was torn watching them because I'm rooting for him
because it's great for poker.
Speaker 11 (30:20):
A Super Bowl.
Speaker 10 (30:21):
Champion is playing, and it's great for the game. It's
great with celebrities and athletes go far. And he's also
the nicest guy in the world, perfect, perfect countenance at
the table.
Speaker 11 (30:31):
You love playing with them.
Speaker 10 (30:32):
But I'm torn because I hate the Patriots, and I
just you know, I know he's got nothing, he's.
Speaker 11 (30:37):
Just playing football.
Speaker 10 (30:39):
But I'm sitting that I want him to go far,
but he's with the Patriots, so I didn't know which
way to go. And I met him again, He's so delightful,
and again it was great for him. He's had other
success at the World Series, at the World Poker Tour.
And I'm always surprised that more athletes don't transition into
poker because you're competitive, so when you retire, we're you
gonna take out that competition. Golf course, golf.
Speaker 4 (31:00):
Yeah, I'm on the golf course nowadays.
Speaker 11 (31:01):
I can't think break the golf course does poker.
Speaker 10 (31:03):
You can play twenty four seven year round that doesn't
care about the weather and stuff. And it's a mind game,
you know, it's not a sport. It's a mind sport. Maybe,
but I'm always surprised we don't.
Speaker 11 (31:13):
See more former athletes playing poker.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
Well, the way my back's been filled in the last
couple of days, maybe I need to put down the
golf clubs and hit the poker table.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
So maybe I'll take you up on that.
Speaker 11 (31:21):
You'd love it.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
I think a lot of like offensive coordinators should talk
to poker players and learn a little bit more about
poker because they become very predictable, and you need to
throw in a little bit of like bluffing and a
little bit of like that unpredictability. Like maybe maybe you know,
you can give them some lessons.
Speaker 10 (31:36):
You know, I can't give any lessons because I lose
the poker table. You bring up, You bring up a
good point. Since the poker players who who follow the NFL,
they believe offensive coordinators are like twenty five years behind
the times. They do all the analytics, and they do
you know when you should go for it and on this,
and that they're not gambling, and some of them they
should always go forward on fourth.
Speaker 11 (31:56):
Down no matter where you are.
Speaker 10 (31:57):
They believe that their analytics are superior to the offensive
coordinators analytics.
Speaker 11 (32:01):
And they will sit here and talk your ear.
Speaker 10 (32:03):
Off about the mistake that coaches make during NFL games.
Speaker 3 (32:06):
These are synthias. Make that happen for the analytics or Cynthia.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Maybe you should be in Maybe you should go into
poker that that actually is what I'm hearing. Okay, this
brings us to our last topic. It's obviously important you
need a good poker face to win and to have
success at the table. Give us the current NFL player
that you think has the best poker face.
Speaker 11 (32:28):
Nice, Oh, that has the best poker face.
Speaker 10 (32:31):
Well, again, the thing about the NFL is that you
have the helmets on, so you don't you know in poker,
except some people now are putting like a scarfon, so
you can't see the pulse here. They're putting hoodies on,
they're putting sunglasses on, they're doing everything to kind of
to so you can't see that poker face anymore. So
in football with the helmets on, it's tougher to see
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a poker face. But for an NFL player with the
best poker face right now, you know, I think, I
think I'm going to go with Josh Allen.
Speaker 11 (33:10):
Got the slight mustache. Okay, we has a mustache on it.
Speaker 10 (33:13):
Mustache is key, okay, not a not a Gardner Minshew mustache. Okay,
that's for nightclubs. But the slight mustache. You know, first
of all, you can sometimes sweat on your upper lip
when you're playing poker, and sometimes sweat here, sometimes sweat here.
So the mustache without you having to put something on
(33:36):
that protects all that, just like a full beard like
James Harden has, is awesome for poker. But the mustache
I think throws people off. I've had a porn stash
since nineteen eighty five. What can we say that on
porn stash people wonder how long I was in the industry.
I was not in the industry that long. So anyway,
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when you have a mustache, when you have facial hair,
you generally have a better poker face. So that's why
I like Josh's simple poker face when he's playing a game.
Plus he doesn't you know, when he's when he's going
well and he's going bad. The face stays the same
when he's in the huddle, which is true for a
lot of guys, but some guys seem to be more emotional.
(34:18):
Baker Mayfield seems to be more emotional on the field.
Speaker 3 (34:21):
Hard on a sleeve kind of guy.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, I would think when we were talking about faces,
what jumped in mind?
Speaker 3 (34:25):
And there's no facial here here.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
But I was thinking Joe Burrow because I think of
the ice in the vein, like doesn't show anything, like
I feel like, so I feel like he doesn't sweat,
you know what I mean? Like, I feel like he
doesn't have those tells because it doesn't affect him at all.
Speaker 11 (34:36):
I would take him.
Speaker 10 (34:36):
Actually, let me stand back and say that even though
he doesn't have the mustache, I take Joe Burrow over
Josh Allen. Okay, that's actually very important. I think for
quarterbacks to have the poker face. Yeah, especially you can
tell body language, and we'll just talk about poker language.
Speaker 11 (34:51):
Body language, you can you can get down.
Speaker 10 (34:54):
And so when you're in that huddle and and everything's
got to stay going no matter how bad it's going,
you got to have a poker face. You gotta be
you got to be straight on at a poker table.
You can tell some time when the poker players losing there,
you know, they go back here there's something on the
table and showing they're tired. And so that's the guy
that I was talking about earlier, Phil Helmers. He only
sits up erects as tall as you get. He's six
(35:15):
foot six, so he's like he's overwhelming the table and
he keeps that body language going.
Speaker 11 (35:21):
And I think the.
Speaker 10 (35:22):
Best NFL quarterbacks should do that with their face and
their language are guys like Joe Burrow and Joshua I
think a.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
Young guy that's really good has a good poker faces
Jaden Daniels, because if you watch Jayden Daniels, I don't
know if you saw the hell Mary last year, the
guy didn't celebrate at all, Like you couldn't tell whether
he won the game or lost the game. And that's
happened a lot in his young career where he's so
stoic that he doesn't he doesn't have peaks and valleys.
Speaker 8 (35:44):
He usually just stays even keeling.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
So that's one guy that I was thinking about, alongside
Joe Burrow, as was Jaden Daniels.
Speaker 3 (35:49):
Those are the guys.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
Honestly, the guys that scared me are the guys that
have no emotion, right the guy, I mean.
Speaker 3 (35:54):
That's the guy. And I think we get fired up by.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
The person that has like their heart on their sleeves,
and it's the no emotion guys that I'm like, Oh,
I don't want any part of that.
Speaker 10 (36:01):
Yeah, speaking of that, there's a lot of NFL kickers
I have no common fence in because when they come
out there, I mean, they look like they're a dear
frozen the headlines.
Speaker 11 (36:09):
Yeah, and I'm sorry to.
Speaker 10 (36:10):
Start to do this. Just kick the darn ball. What
are you gonna do something? Vision Quest, Just kick the
darn ball and stop scared.
Speaker 7 (36:21):
The rangefinder it's their personal rangefinder.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
I'm the guy who was just brushing his hair the
whole time.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
Okay, yep, just a nervous wreck real quick, I will
say I can't say a specific person or player, but
I will say a specific position group and you might
say I'm biased.
Speaker 4 (36:35):
It's the secondary. You have to be even killed.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
He's gonna have your high, you're gonna have your loads,
you're gonna get beat in front of eighty thousands, millions
of people on national TV. You have to be even
kill next play mentality. They always teach us that from
high school, college NFL as a dB even kill poker
face mentality.
Speaker 10 (36:52):
That's a good lesson in poker because just like the DV,
you could make a huge mistake and lose half your stack,
and you got to move on, and you got to
get to put that out of your heads. Sometimes they
want to get that that that chips back up the
next hand with a.
Speaker 11 (37:04):
Hand after that. You can't do that. You have the
game come to you.
Speaker 10 (37:07):
So, just like a dB, you got to put that
out of your head and just move on and play
your best poker on each and every card you Yet
one play out of time.
Speaker 3 (37:14):
I would be thrown out so fast.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
I couldn't do it like I couldn't do I would
just be this is why wouldn't you get a golf
I would just throw the cards I'd be like, I quit,
I got terrible card, Like that's I don't have it
in me.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
I don't have it in me. Not everybody has it.
Speaker 7 (37:23):
You know.
Speaker 10 (37:24):
We don't like We don't like anybody's throwing cards.
Speaker 3 (37:26):
I know.
Speaker 10 (37:27):
Okay, unless you better.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
We love having you.
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