Hour Two of the Good Morning Football Podcast begins with hosts Jamie Erdahl, Kyle Brandt, and Akbar Gbajabiamila discussing if the Miami Dolphins are Super Bowl contenders and then they react to Tua Tagovailoa’s comments on his former head coach Brian Flores. Scott Pioli joins the show and discusses Caleb Williams’ preseason and the Patriots QB situation. Later, they discuss the Harbaugh-Herbert relationship.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
This is Kyle Brant.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
We are live in Los Angeles, but we take you
from one beach to another to start our second hour
here in NFL Network. We go to Miami and the
Dolphins because their owner, Stephen Ross had some thoughts about
what direction his team could go in this season. It
is our lead block with the generic blue helmet. This
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is Stephen Ross. Right now. We have a great roster,
there's great expectations, but we have the old injury boog.
I feel like everybody does. That's my own opinion. But
back to the quote, you got to make sure that
that doesn't happen like last year. I think that without that,
and if we stay healthy, we're certainly a contender for
the Super Bowl. Stephen Ross, Kyle, your thoughts on the
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owner of his team? Thinky His team will be in
New Orleans in February.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
He should absolutely he should this.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
They've they've had a couple of warm up seasons with
the coach, They've done some exciting things. I don't mind
the quote at all, like this is this is the
team that, look, everybody says we're trying to get the
Super Bowl this year. There's like, I don't know, eight
or eight, maybe maybe seven that are like, yeah, I
can I can conceivably see that. Now, sometimes you get
the crazy team, but I think the Dolphins are one
of those eight, one of those seven. They're also just
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in that that really frustrating sweet spot for fans where it's,
you know, get over the hump, climb them out, whatever
you want, where they had these amazing, brilliant, really incredible,
fast and furious seasons and then it's just it's just
been nothing like that. That Chiefs game is one of
the worst tastes of vomit in your mouth you could
ever have as a fan because it was just nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But there's so much pot that have going on, and.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I get critical of being I get accused of being
critical of the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Here's my tick, and I'd love.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
To see some Dolphins highlights just so we can get
let's get fired up about the Dolphins's so many points.
All my feeling on the Dolphins is always like last year,
they just date all this stuff is great and it's
it's candy and it's exciting and fast and furious. As
that propos because it's like one of those movies they
just come out all the time and they're fast and
there's things blowing up.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
But like at the end, do you really feel great
about those movies?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Like are you like, oh, I kind of feel a
little bit sick. Like they're fun and everything, but like
not very good for me, Like I didn't learn anything.
It's the Dolphins last year felt like Instagram scrolling.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You're just you're kind of addicted to it. You can't
stop looking.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
It's everything you'd like, it's everything that gives you the dopamine.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Just swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, and.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Then after you've swiped for an hour, you're just like,
got it. I have had this horrible empty feeling inside
and that was them at the Chiefs and Narrowhead. It's
you're gonna notice that in all these highlights, and especially
the seventy points against Denver, it's just beating the crap
out of bad teams and that's that's great.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It's good that they should do that.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
You're not gonna say a out of highlights from quality teams.
They're not putting up seventy points against the Bills. They're
just not doing.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Any of that.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
So is this the season where there's like when you're
done afterwards and you feel like, did I read a book,
did I watch a film, or did I just scroll
ig and watch Vin Diesel blow stuff up. I hope
it's the first one, because it's time to change, and
I think the owner is right, let's have a little
nutrient of value at the end of the season for
the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
That'd be cool.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah, I'm with this.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
I mean, if you're the owner of the Miami Dolphins,
of course you're gonna feel this way. But he has
every reason to feel this way. You talk about the
Instagram scrolling every now and again. I think we've all
done it where you start scrolling and scrolling and you go, oh,
what's this and then you click on the page and
then you go into the link and before you know it,
you're off into somewhere else. Maybe this is the year
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where you know they go off into somewhere else and
that somewhere else is deep into the playoffs. They've already
gone twice now back to back to the playoffs, but
maybe now they're going to trail off and go even further.
Like this is a team, you know he should be
excited about. He's got a quarterback that through for the
most yards since Dan Marino, Like there's been a lot
of quarterbacks in between there. So I mean it's saying
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a lot. You've got tyreek Hill, You've got Waddle, You've
got Moster, You've got all of these talented guys on
your team. If not now, then when, like this is
this is the time to get excited. And you know
it's the a f C East too, Like you can
do it in the a f C East. I mean,
tell me a team that that could stop them in
the AFC.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
You go throw the just in there shot with Rogers.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, defense is I don't know if they they will,
but like those guys don't mess around.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Okay, all right, I.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Might buy that the bill's for sure, but I mean
that's it, Like they have a legitimate shot.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
That's why he feels that way.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You guys have kids older than I do, so you've
done this before. I'm trying to teach my oldest how
to ride a bike. She still has she still has
her training wheels on, and you're trying to breathe confidence
into Just think about if the training whels weren't there,
and focus on that middle tire. Well, she's in a
parking lot the other day, because you go to an
empty parking lot. It's like teaching a sixteen year old
hundred car shout up bike. She gets into this gully
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where all of a sudden she's been pedaling, but her
training wheels are the only things touching the gold the sides,
and her wheels have no traction. So now she's just
pedaling and she's looking at me like, why aren't I
going anywhere? I'm like, shoot, I just you just learned
the lesson of the fact that you still have training
wheels on, and if you pedal and those wheels are down,
your tires are going to go nowhere fast. And that's
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how I feel about the Miami dolphins. Like they're peddling,
they still have their train wheels on. All of a sudden,
that back tire gets lifted up and they're like pedaling.
They're looking around like, wait, we haven't gone anywhere in
December and in the January, and they have to keep
pedaling the way they start the season all the way
through mid to late January. Otherwise we got nothing with
this team.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Well, it's like you're gonna try to teach your daughter
how to ride a bike in the snowstorm in five degrees.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
No, it's really really hard.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It's the perfect metaphor because the Dolphins to take the
training wheels off, it's time to just go.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Teaching someone how to ride a bike is so difficult.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
It's not only mentally frustrating, it's physically really really I mean,
what you got to do basically is you got to
like hold the back of their seat and by the
shoulder and then you just kind of like run them around,
but the lower back is going and like you're getting old,
and then eventually you got to They keep saying, don't
let me go, don't let me go, and McDaniel's.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Got to just just let them go.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
But the problem is sometimes they fall on their face
and spit their knees and then they never trust you again,
and then they're going to a therapist couch.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
So it's a.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Difficult thing, really difficult.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
You know, the best way to do it, right. The
best way to teach your kids.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
To ride a bike is take the training wheels off
and get them to get one of those ones where
they're just a strider, the strider, right, and you're just
going you're doing the srider and you work on your balance.
And I think that's where they are now. They've been
working on their balance, right. You take those bad boys off. Now,
all of a sudden, they're often going.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Out and do it.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
They also bought them like the most expensive bike ever,
that is true, and the fastest bike. Yeah, so like
maybe you know, they get in there and it's like
they got all the bell and they got the things
that the folks and the basket and the banana seat.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
If they still do those, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
And but then once that bike gets going, it's like
more like a motorcycle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
So when you fall off it like they did a narrowhead.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
It's ugly. Yeah. So I guess what you're saying is
they got a knee bike.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Yeah, crap, crowd rocket.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I'm not going to even attempt to make the connection
between crotch rocket and this next conversation. We stayed with
the dolphins though, and this goes back in time. Tua
Tungovloa was on Dan Lebatard's podcast the other day and
Levatard asked him about his former head coach Brian Flores,
and the quarterback in Miami did not mince words when
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speaking of the relationship and the impact it had on
Tua at the time.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
If you woke up every morning and I told you
you sucked at what you did, that you don't belong
doing what you do, that you shouldn't be here, that
this guy should be here, that you haven't earned this right,
and then you have somebody else come in and tell you, dude,
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you are the best fit for this, like you are accurate,
you are the best. Whatever you are, this you are that.
Like how would it make you feel listening to one
or the other? You see what I'm saying, and then
you hear it. You hear it regardless of what it is,
the good or the bad, and you hear it more
and more. You start to actually believe that, I don't
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care who you are, you can be the president of
the United States. You have a terrible person that's telling
you things that you don't want to hear or that
you probably shouldn't be hearing you're going to start to
believe that about yourself, and so that's sort of like
what ended up happening, and it was.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
I mean, it's.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
Basically been what two years of training that out of
not just me, but you know a couple of the
guys as well that have been here since my rookie year.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Well, they say it takes two weeks to build a
new habit. Well, Tua is claiming that for two years
he was told by Brian Flores when in his tenure
in coaching in Miami, that he was not the quarterback
that he wanted to do that job for the Miami
Dolphins at the time. Off bar hearing that knowing you know,
Brian Flora is the type of coach he is, knowing
to what he's become.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Your thoughts, Well.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
First off, you know, shout out to two for just
even having the emotional awareness to be able to express
himself in this way. The players, the generation, it's a
lot different. I think Brian Flores comes from a different era,
a different generation.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
He's a strong will coach.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
I don't think this is a knock on Brian Flores,
by the way, because I think the same approach could
be highly effective for a player like a Kobe Bryant,
the late Kobe Bryant. You know guys who respond to that.
I think the younger generation, they respond to a different
type of coaching and it's up to the coach to
then make that adjustment. Every player is so different in
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how they respond to criticism, how they respond to instructions,
and so I think what we're hearing here from Tua
is the fact that Tua was saying, look, I was
sensitive to that type of and it destroyed my confidence.
And you could see it in the numbers. His numbers
with Flora's was dramatically different than what he has with
coach McDaniel.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Excuse me.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
So I say that because when I think about the
players psyche, a lot of coaches fall into this trap.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Is like, it's just one way you're dealing.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
With fifty three guys, and not that you're going to
have to go through and try to manage fifty three
different emotions. But especially a key position like a quarterback,
you do have to be a little bit more aware
on the type of player you're dealing with. And so
he just seems to really have kind of broke under that.
But I like that Mike McDaniel would be interested to
see what it is that Mike McDaniel's doing differently than
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that of coach Flores.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Is it being soft spoken?
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Is it just always telling him you're great, you're great,
you're great, and never criticizing him.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
What is that coach mcdad and he's doing.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
You know, it's a really powerful quote. It's also really accusatory.
I would love to hear Brian Flores's response, which we won't.
I mean, he's not a head coach right now. He's
in Minnesota and he's just not going to talk on that.
But it's also a little bit surprising. I mean, you know,
it's not like TUA has always just had Mike McDaniels,
Like he played under Staban who's like the oldest of
old school and like doesn't suffer fools if he doesn't
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have to. But I think it's and it's like coaching
and parenting. It's it's you got to know your player
what they need. It's not something for everybody. It's like,
I don't believe this thing that this generation's players need
coddling or they're soft. I don't think that at all.
I think that's way too broad of a stroke. I
see it in the NFL. I see it at my
ten year old's baseball games. They coach them hard sometimes
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like this if anybody doesn't have kids, or is only
this illusion that everyone's soft now and everyone needs to
just be coddled constantly, it's not true. Sometimes they get
yelled at hard, and I've seen them from other teams,
from other towns everywhere. I just think like Mike McDaniel
saw Tua and realized what he needed, that this was
a guy who was really down in confidence, who didn't
believe in himself. On the side of that, he's dealing
with the injury issues he was, and I'm just gonna
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build him up and I'm gonna make him feel like
a superstar.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think it also happens a lot in what we do.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
We've all worked with people who make you feel like
you're some media superstar or something, and people who are like,
why did you do that in that segment? You don't
belong there. I think it's a case to case basis.
I think there's a lot of players that come in,
even rookies, who are like they need their ribs busted
right now by their coach, Like.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You got to do this better.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I mean, I grew up watching John Gruden just scream
at guys. I mean, you can still pull up video
of Chris Sim's coming to the league and Gruden is
wearing him out. Chris Sims, huge college guy. It's the
son of the famous quarterback. He might have needed to
be brought down like that Bill Parcell, same thing. But
I still think there's a place for that. I think
there's a place for what Flora's did. I don't think
it's it's obsolete. I don't think that Flores is some
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sort of villain for doing that, though I think he
might have picked the wrong target. Brian Flores gave the
Dolphins back to back winning seasons for the first time
in about twenty years.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Like he did not fall on his face there.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
It wasn't a match with two and it sounds like
Mike McDaniel is there.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
I was just going to say there is a shift
though in generations. I've seen that even when I came in,
you know, to the prior generation. Just generations do change,
and changes doesn't necessarily mean this bet.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
To speak to the match I think between Brian Flores
and Tua. I covered all of Tua's college games at
Alabama in my four years on the SEC, two of
which were Alabama's prime years with Tua, And I know
there's a lot of prime years, but it was two
was two years starting there. Nick Saban does not mince
words when it comes to Nick Saban is one of
the hardest coaches to watch at practice, but he had
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a soft spot for Tua. I think Nick Saban has
the awareness that and there's more than fifty three guys
on the college rosters at times, so Nick Saban looks
at one hundred plus guys and maybe he addresses position
groups differently. But for some reason in his time in Tua,
he spoke not as intensely with other people there. There
was a maturation there, there was a level of intelligence there.
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The way that coach Shaban communicated with Tua an assignment
college does not sound like by the way of how
Brian Flores went. That being said, Tua tung of Violoa
has a father that is very present in his football journey.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Because we also know.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Taulea Tungo Violoa who's going through Maryland now. The Tongue
of Ioloa patriarch is a very intense individual in these
young men's lives and they speak on this a lot,
so Tua is well versed in the wide range of criticism,
emotional intensity, and the fact that this did not line
up with Brian Flora is to me all I hear is, Wow,
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that was really to attend in terms of tuas scale.
And I'm not faulting Brian Flores even though he is
generationally the same age ish as Mike McDaniel, he comes
from a different tree and I think in terms of
that might work defensively, it doesn't work for a subrebral
young man talented as Tua is. That clearly was not
the match. And I too appreciate too for coming out
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and saying it, because I think it allows other players
to say this doesn't work for me, and frankly hopeing it.
Hopefully it opens the eyes to other coach. But you're
right to touch on all the coaches that Tua has
had and the fact that Mike McDaniel I remember saying
that he got there and he just wanted.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
To give to you a big hug.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Remember that it was early on he said that to him.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yeah, and we've heard it stories for years that like
Belichick would annihilate Brady like and doing it in front
of the team.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Brady, what was this throw?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
And this is Brady MVP super Bowl winner, like deep
in his career, it was just annihilate him.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
There's something that coaches do too, to the.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Team and to the quarterback to bring them down, especially
maybe after they have some success or they get paid.
It sounds to me like Brian flour has just had
it in him that I'm going to toughen this two
up by whatever it means possible. And it sounds like
it was a horrible match and Mike McDaniel's perfect for him.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
You know what, It just took me back to coach Morton,
Chad Morton with the young running back on hard knocks.
I forget the young kid's name, but he's just on
top of them, top of them, and then he gives
them some love. He uses the sandwich effect. He's tough
on him, then he comes in gives them some love,
and then he's tough on him at the bottom of
it as well. So it just really just knowing who
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you are, and you see it looks like he's responding
very well in that hard nutt.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
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Speaker 5 (16:52):
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Speaker 2 (16:53):
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we play Madden and like he has a hard time
against me.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
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Los Angeles, and like all your voices in his office
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but I got to go in there and talk to
about something. So I'll knock and I'll put my head
in and he's like doing work, and I'm like, what's
going on? And he's playing maddening mad while getting work done.
Shout out to his company for allowing him to do that.
So that play and Madden taking places in one of
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the loudest venues in the NFL. If you've been to
Arrowhead Stadium, you know, So here's the question. You all
must have been at a sporting event that you felt
the stadium arena shake and maybe awkward if you're luck
enough you played in one, But do you have a
recent memory of this?
Speaker 6 (17:38):
One is Arrowhead Stadium? Where you know, being in the
AFC West and you go to Arrowhead Stadium.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Still one of my places.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
I hate it playing just I mean, you could feel
the energy, you could feel it in your chest. You
can feel the field rumbling. But mine was going to
a soccer match overseas and I just have never seen
like literally I thought it was an earthquake and you're
just like they're all jumping the entire thing. It's like, yo,
I don't think this is structurally say, I guess it's
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like like I think we should leave because at some
point the stadium is going to crumble. That's the wildest
thing if but NFL stadium ever got like that. Actually,
there was one close to that, LAFC here in Los Angeles.
They do the same type of nonsense where just the
entire game they're just jumping. Soccer is nuts like this. Yes,
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now you we.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Always hear about Arrowhead.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
It's different. It's different. Like all the stadiums are loud.
It depends on a certain level of loud. And Seattle
says they're the loudest. Kansas City says they are.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Is it that different from other places?
Speaker 5 (18:40):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
When you can it, I will tell you how crazy
it is. And this sets the tone when they're singing
the national anthem. I'll never forget the very first time
I had heard it, and they're going and the home Man,
I'm doing the little the athlete wave, you know, the
like the swaying like this, and you're just getting into
your emotions and the home of the and then they
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all go sees, God is my witness.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
It just like it's like a base that just goes
through your like, wow, what happens. It's like a force
that goes through you. It's weird.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Likes any player, they'll tell you it is weird when
you hear that. And that's like if they're that loud
from just saying cheeze, yeah, imagine when they're screaming at
a different level, decibel level.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
That's cool.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Arrowhead regular season game, I've done amazing night game at
lsu A Death Valley, amazing. But I take you to
Original six Playoff hockey for my answer. My one season
covering the Boston Bruins back in twenty fourteen. They had
just come off of Stanley Cup. They're trying to go
back to back Stanley Cup champions. They have the most
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wins in the regular season. They go back to back
Original six playoff teams. We go to Detroit for the
first round, then to Montreal for the second round. Goes
to game seven, the French national anthem, Game seven against
the Habs between Bruins and Montreal. I thought, and this
wasn't even when the game was being played, it was
when the national anthem in French was being sung, the
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whole building shook. It was insane and like I am
classically trained on football college, bast march das the loudest
arena I have ever been is original six playoff hockey playoffs?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Is that crazy? Both of you guys in national anthem?
Was the moments like that it hit for you. I've
been to some unbelievable sporting events.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I was at the Miracle in the Meadowlands, the overtime
game in two thousand when Jumbo Elliott cought touched on pass,
but it was.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Freezing and it was late. It wasn't that Loud.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
I was at the Bears, who we thought they were
a game and Devon Paster against the Cardinals, but that
was on the road. It wasn't that loud I won
the sports Fan Powerball, like in life that I grew
up in Chicago in the early nineties as a little
kid in the Chicagoland area, so I got to go
occasionally to Bulls games, and I would go to Knicks
games all the time when the Knicks would come into town.
And it's everything you saw from afar If living in
Chicago with the Bulls intro the song sixty six from
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North Carolina. But just inevitably as he just blows by
John Starks like as any player who was a Hall
of Famer and has respected and as tall as he
has ever.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Been dunked on more than Patrick Ewing in history.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I love Pat, I respect him like he would get
dunked on every.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Five seconds in those games.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Scotty would get him, Michael would get him.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Horace Grant would get him.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Sometimes I'm telling you, I Bill Carry I was dunking
on him. It was the low points of Patter Ewing's
Hall of Fame career were in Chicago Stadium, not the
United Center for the second three Pete the og crazy
Chicago Stadium before Michael's retirement. I would go there at
eleven years old, and it was crazy in nineteen ninety
one to do something called the Fano meter, which is.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Now at everything.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Was like get louder fans, and the fans aren'tetting louder,
but it goes up anyway. They would bury the needle
on that sucker and I'd be screaming, and I'd love
the mascot, I love the cheerleader of the whole experience.
But Michael Jordan's sit there and Youn's just getting dunked
on every twelve seconds. It was the fantastic Chicago Stadium,
best sports moments of my life.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
I would do anything I know if I could to
trade to go back.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
And just sit so that it was amazing as general. Yeah,
I would do anything to sit in that time.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
What was the name of the stadium a game?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Chicago Stadium.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
It wasn't one I was like, it wasn't sponsored by
a corporasion or airlines.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
It was just Chicago Stadium.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Time to bring in our front office analyst, Scott Pioli. Scot,
you have had many different backdrops behind you recently, and
now you look like you are back to the comforts
of your home.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
Yes, finally home. Thank goodness, Jamie, it's good to be
back home.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
We all know that people appreciate you when you show
up on the scene. We do too, because then you
get firsthand look at players and organizations and coaches. Let's
go to Chicago this past weekend. You were there up
close and personal. We can't get enough of Caleb Williams
and what people the eye test, what people see from him.
How do you characterize how his preseason is going.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
Jamie, The word I would use is encouraging and improvement.
So he's what we've seen from him is steady improvement
every single week in the games. He's learning from some
of the mistakes that he's making. He's getting better on
his details.
Speaker 8 (22:59):
You know. The other thing I'm.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
Seeing is he's getting better with his chemistry along with
the skilled players and the rest of his teammates. The
big thing that I've seen though, I think is his
ability to process what he's seeing. That has certainly improved
each week. But one of the little detail that I
really like to see and that I heard a little
bit about while I was out there, is that he's
getting better.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
In understanding the running game.
Speaker 9 (23:21):
And this is something that isn't often talked about with
young quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
They come into the NFL.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
They know the passing game, they know a lot about
the passing game, but they don't fully understand the running
game or the importance of the running game and when
they see certain looks when they need to check out.
So again, to me, what I see in terms of
talking about Caleb Williams is just so much encouraging work
that he's been doing over the course of these couple
of preseason games.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
We'd love to hear it. Tell us more, Scott. You've
seen so many rookie quarterbacks come in. You've seen number
one overall picks, You've seen Heisman you've seen it all.
Another guy who will likely have a very successful career
or something special.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Tell us more.
Speaker 9 (24:02):
Yeah, I think what I saw Kyle in being able
to see practice for a couple of days before the
preseason game, I saw them do the full scrimmage with
the Bengals. It was the on field communication and coming
off the field with Shane Waldron when they were working
the two minute drill. His professional maturity was just so impressive.
But as we're seeing here, one of the things that
we're seeing on tape here is him moving in and
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out of the pocket with both hands on the football.
And people want to talk about the throws and all
the special things he's doing athletically.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
That's very, very important.
Speaker 9 (24:33):
But if you remember, one of the things with Caleb
that was an issue coming out was the details of
his ball security. He had a lot of fumbles, a
lot of turnovers last year when moving.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Up in the pocket.
Speaker 9 (24:44):
So as you can see in a lot of these clips,
he is climbing the pocket with both hands on the ball,
securing the ball, which is a detail that Shane Waldron
and the coaches are working on in pre practice and
also during the scrimmages and everything that's going on. They're
always on him about the details. So again, it's not
just about the throws he makes in his athleticism, it's
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the details and securing the football.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
All right, Scott, So you know, let's stay in the NFC.
This quarterback is not getting a lot of hype. But
dan Quinn named Jayden Daniels the Commander's starter. You worked
with Jayden the last two years. What do you think
of this decision?
Speaker 9 (25:25):
Bar I'm totally fine with this decision because if we
go back and look, he's going to be twenty four
years old this NFL season, but he's also had five
years as a starter in college, three at Arizona State.
Sure there was the shortened season with COVID, but he
has had a lot of reps. He's had him again,
three years at Arizona State, two years in the SEC.
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What I've seen with Jaden during the time at LSU
and in training camp when I was down there this year,
he has a rare maturity, intelligence, work ethic, and work habits.
And while I was down there, you could see those
things in practice. You could see him getting better again.
He has improved so significantly during those last two years
at Lsu. As you watch the arc of his improvement,
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it has just continued. And I'll say this about Dan Quinn.
I worked with him in Atlanta. Dan is never going
to put a football player out there, including his quarterback,
that isn't ready, that he doesn't think can win him
games or can't protect himself. So I'm totally on with this,
and I can't wait to see Jayden played because he's
absolutely one of my favorite players.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
In the league right now.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Scott, this is a true story. On August fourth, This
is my phone. This is the notes app of my phone.
You guys, I have something I wrote to myself. I'm
sitting in the makeup chair before the show, and it
says Ian and Pioli with Jacoby Brissett on wanting to
win a starting job. I'm just writing this because it's
airing and I thought it was very interesting. Brissette says,
I am the perfect mentor, but I'm also the perfect
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player for the starting job. I don't take that lightly.
And then I wrote, remember this, if Jacoby beats out
Drake may to start this season. We still don't know
the answer to this question, Scott.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
That was on August fourth. How do you assess what is.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Happening with the quarterback position in New England right now.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
Jamie, I love that you wrote that note because I
have it sitting here in front of me my notes
now I don't have to look down. But when Jacoby
said that in that interview, it was perfect because it
describes Jacoby.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
I've known Jacoby.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
Forever since he entered the league, and as a matter
of fact, my father in law is one of his
mentors since he was in middle school. The thing about Jacoby,
what he was saying there was I can be both things.
You can be a competitor, you can compete, you can
do all of those things with a player, but also
be their mentor. And this is one of the things
that I think is so underrated about Jacoby and players
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like him.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
In this game.
Speaker 9 (27:46):
You need selfless players that are not only going to
compete for jobs, but teach the future, teach players that
are younger than that are competing for their jobs, and
really mentor them so knowing that that's going to be
their true legacy.
Speaker 8 (28:01):
So when Jacoby said.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
That, he says, Hey, I'm the perfect guy, as you
just mentioned, because I'm going to compete, I'm going to
show my teammates.
Speaker 8 (28:08):
I'm competing, but I'm not giving this up.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
He has a personal core value that I think is
one of the most important and uncommon traits of a
player in the National Football League, and that is being
a selfless leader. I have tremendous I'm so glad that
you brought that up, Jamie, because that's where I wanted
to head.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
I'm not surprised he said it.
Speaker 9 (28:26):
He is going to compete and again, in this league
and in life, you can be both things.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
You can be a competitor and a mentor.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Scott, I'm sorry, did I catch a Your father in
law was his mentor since middle school. I need to
know the middle school and I need to know how
this connection and how that developed.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
So Parcells lives down in Florida, and he was close
friends with his high school coach, a gentleman by the
name of Jack Daniels at Dwyer High School down in Florida,
and Parcells was very close with Jack Daniels. Not the
Jack Daniels that I knew in college, but the Jack
Daniels actually coached high school football, and so Parcels got
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to know him. And he's actually not only been a
life mentor, but a financial advisor of sorts, just helping
you know, Jacoby grow up and understand what his future
is going to be. And they're still like this.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
You think Drake May wins that. I'm just asking you
straight if you think Drake may Drake May wins that competition.
Speaker 8 (29:28):
Hmm.
Speaker 9 (29:29):
I don't know if he does, because I know and
it's not a matter of just winning the job, but
I think it's also a matter of can he run
the offense and can he be ready and have the
offensive line because let's remember this offensive line. Part of
what's going to take is not just the skill which
is somewhat limited right now, but it's also going to
take play calling and adjusting and checking at the line
of scrimmage. Is Drake ready to do all of that?
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Meeting the mental part in the moment, I don't know.
So it's always it's not always physical. I think it
also has something to do with the mental part that
we don't know and we don't see. Only the coaches
can evaluate. But I I think that there's a chance.
I think we're going to see both quarterbacks at different
points this season, truthfully, all.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Right, Scott, and coming from you, that's good to know
that there might be balanced. There always a fun exercise
forcing Scott to say my father in law and then say, sorry,
your father, you mentioned your father in law. He still
parcels everybody, okay.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
At head coach Jack Daniels, it was the efference to
fate Johnny Walker, Scott, come.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
On, team, that's great.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Where the defense Scott, Greg Goose, Scott.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Farewell twenty twenty four preseason. You wrap up this weekend
right here on NFL Network. It's where you want to be.
We have live games. We have eight of them starting
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the go, you can also stream all of these things
on NFL Plus, which I am sure you have by now.
Justin Herbert, let's talk Herbert. Time for go bigger this
season by best buy Herbert.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
He wants to be.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Bigger, he wants to be better, and he really wants
to return to the practice field, which he did yesterday.
He had a Planter fascion injury the last few weeks,
and let's just say his head coach was happy to
see the quarterback back.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Well, to have Justin back out there practicing. Great, great.
I felt like the music should be playing. I haven't thought.
Speaker 8 (31:37):
I felt. I thought I heard music.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Voices of angels maybe so great, so great?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I bet I bet it did, Jim.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Can't you hear it?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yes, Jim.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
More about it to me is somebody who if you
if you wait a beat and you don't, like immediately
respond to something, he says, he'll just keep filling the air.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Weird cadence.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Sure, As I remember our friend Joey and Narrow who
does impressions, was doing his Nick Saving impression talking to
Harbaugh and he's.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Like, have you ever had a normal conversation about anything? Ever?
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Like he doesn't say stock things ever, it's always something unique.
He could have just said it was great to him
back out there. You know, he's getting some good raps
and right for the open. No, it's angels are singing.
That's why we love him, you know what.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
That's what we need in football.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
We don't have right, Like, like ninety nine percent of
the coaches are the same. They speak with the same
cadence they say. They literally string together all of the
cliches you could ever think of in one sentence, and
you just get pure Jim Harball. And the truth is,
that's Jim Haball off camera, that's Jim Harball at home,
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that's Jim Haball at practice, Like that is Jim Harball.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
And I think that's why so many people love him.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
That's why the players can relate to him like that's
funny as hell to just listen to him and say no, no.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Actually, I actually I think I actually heard angels.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
It's like Jamie says, you gave him a minute, give
him a little beat. He's going to come in with
something unusual. He's not just going to stop. He does
like get almost like amorous about justin Herbert thought, like
he loves him. I know he took them. He took
the job because it's great location and a lot of money.
Like I think it's a huge part of White took
the job. I think he loves Herbert. When I sat
down with Hardbo a couple of weeks ago, I asked
like a pretty straight question about Herbert, like just you know,
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talk about Herbert.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
He's like, man, justin Herbert's jeans are incredible. Like, I'm like, now.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
You're talking about his pants, are you're talking about his genetics.
He's talking about his genetics. He's got incredible jeans. And
I was like, that's one way to take a coach
and that's what we love you.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
But he's infatuated with Herbert. I'm so glad Herbert's back
out there too.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
That was a huge buzzkill when we saw him in
that walking boot, because you know, we, certainly me are
expecting huge things out of the Charges this year. But
I'll tell you what, if Herbert was seriously injured and
it comes for time for a playoff ten teams to
be picked by US, I was still going to pick
the Charges with Easton Stick, I'll still go with the Chargers.
I still think they're geting a wild card, but not
alt Herbert. I believe that much.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
On the coach.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Well, I will say that it is good that he
is back out there because I was getting a little
concerned because I still have a lot of hope and
it feels for the Chargers. But I'm like, you got
a new offensive system. Now you've got some younger receivers.
You know, like just trying to make sure he gets
out there. But that's a heck of have you ever
had a plan offession?
Speaker 9 (34:14):
Now?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
But I know a lot about it from covering the league.
It's always bad.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Oh, it's annoying, but it happened early in camp, a
couple of weeks of just doing nothing. And if he's
out there pucking it and make an angel sing, let's
go babe.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
You know what I kind of want from Justin Herbert.
I think we're seeing it right now with Tua actually
the Tua tongue of Ailoa personality wise, and maybe confidence
in himself and coming out and that we're hearing a
lot more from Tua.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
I want to hear more from Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Maybe he's got this head coach now because Brandon Staley
before we loved him, he just didn't elicit a lot.
He didn't draw a lot out of you, in my opinion,
and Harball, like you want to give Harbaugh something because
you kind of want him to respond to you. So like,
maybe we see more from Justin Herbert personality wise on
the field in interviews.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I really like that he picks the spots he said.
I've seen some viral videos of him that are funding.
He does a little bits, but I think it's going
to be like a penn and teller with him and Harbaugh.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Harbaugh's just going to non stop talk. Harba's out there
to check that succer. I mean, the heartbird is so
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
He's talking about hearing things are saying
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I'm gonna eat an orange
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Speaker 2 (00:22):
Good Morning Football, Uh huh.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
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Speaker 2 (00:34):
This is Kyle Brant.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
We are live in Los Angeles, but we take you
from one beach to another to start our second hour
here in NFL Network. We go to Miami and the
Dolphins because their owner, Stephen Ross had some thoughts about
what direction his team could go in this season. It
is our lead block with the generic blue helmet. This
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is Stephen Ross. Right now. We have a great roster,
there's great expectations, but we have the old injury boog.
I feel like everybody does. That's my own opinion. But
back to the quote, you got to make sure that
that doesn't happen like last year. I think that without that,
and if we stay healthy, we're certainly a contender for
the Super Bowl. Stephen Ross, Kyle, your thoughts on the
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owner of his team? Thinky His team will be in
New Orleans in February.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
He should absolutely he should this.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
They've they've had a couple of warm up seasons with
the coach, They've done some exciting things. I don't mind
the quote at all, like this is this is the
team that, look, everybody says we're trying to get the
Super Bowl this year. There's like, I don't know, eight
or eight, maybe maybe seven that are like, yeah, I
can I can conceivably see that. Now, sometimes you get
the crazy team, but I think the Dolphins are one
of those eight, one of those seven. They're also just
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in that that really frustrating sweet spot for fans where it's,
you know, get over the hump, climb them out, whatever
you want, where they had these amazing, brilliant, really incredible,
fast and furious seasons and then it's just it's just
been nothing like that. That Chiefs game is one of
the worst tastes of vomit in your mouth you could
ever have as a fan because it was just nothing.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
But there's so much pot that have going on, and.
Speaker 4 (02:05):
I get critical of being I get accused of being
critical of the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Here's my tick, and I'd love.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
To see some Dolphins highlights just so we can get
let's get fired up about the Dolphins's so many points.
All my feeling on the Dolphins is always like last year,
they just date all this stuff is great and it's
it's candy and it's exciting and fast and furious. As
that propos because it's like one of those movies they
just come out all the time and they're fast and
there's things blowing up.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
But like at the end, do you really feel great
about those movies?
Speaker 4 (02:31):
Like are you like, oh, I kind of feel a
little bit sick. Like they're fun and everything, but like
not very good for me, Like I didn't learn anything.
It's the Dolphins last year felt like Instagram scrolling.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
You're just you're kind of addicted to it. You can't
stop looking.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
It's everything you'd like, it's everything that gives you the dopamine.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Just swipe, swipe, swipe, swipe, and.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
Then after you've swiped for an hour, you're just like,
got it. I have had this horrible empty feeling inside
and that was them at the Chiefs and Narrowhead. It's
you're gonna notice that in all these highlights, and especially
the seventy points against Denver, it's just beating the crap
out of bad teams and that's that's great.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
It's good that they should do that.
Speaker 4 (03:04):
You're not gonna say a out of highlights from quality teams.
They're not putting up seventy points against the Bills. They're
just not doing.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Any of that.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
So is this the season where there's like when you're
done afterwards and you feel like, did I read a book,
did I watch a film, or did I just scroll
ig and watch Vin Diesel blow stuff up. I hope
it's the first one, because it's time to change, and
I think the owner is right, let's have a little
nutrient of value at the end of the season for
the Dolphins.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
That'd be cool.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
Yeah, I'm with this.
Speaker 6 (03:31):
I mean, if you're the owner of the Miami Dolphins,
of course you're gonna feel this way. But he has
every reason to feel this way. You talk about the
Instagram scrolling every now and again. I think we've all
done it where you start scrolling and scrolling and you go, oh,
what's this and then you click on the page and
then you go into the link and before you know it,
you're off into somewhere else. Maybe this is the year
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where you know they go off into somewhere else and
that somewhere else is deep into the playoffs. They've already
gone twice now back to back to the playoffs, but
maybe now they're going to trail off and go even further.
Like this is a team, you know he should be
excited about. He's got a quarterback that through for the
most yards since Dan Marino, Like there's been a lot
of quarterbacks in between there. So I mean it's saying
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a lot. You've got tyreek Hill, You've got Waddle, You've
got Moster, You've got all of these talented guys on
your team. If not now, then when, like this is
this is the time to get excited. And you know
it's the a f C East too, Like you can
do it in the a f C East. I mean,
tell me a team that that could stop them in
the AFC.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
You go throw the just in there shot with Rogers.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Yeah, defense is I don't know if they they will,
but like those guys don't mess around.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Okay, all right, I.
Speaker 6 (04:48):
Might buy that the bill's for sure, but I mean
that's it, Like they have a legitimate shot.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
That's why he feels that way.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
You guys have kids older than I do, so you've
done this before. I'm trying to teach my oldest how
to ride a bike. She still has she still has
her training wheels on, and you're trying to breathe confidence
into Just think about if the training whels weren't there,
and focus on that middle tire. Well, she's in a
parking lot the other day, because you go to an
empty parking lot. It's like teaching a sixteen year old
hundred car shout up bike. She gets into this gully
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where all of a sudden she's been pedaling, but her
training wheels are the only things touching the gold the sides,
and her wheels have no traction. So now she's just
pedaling and she's looking at me like, why aren't I
going anywhere? I'm like, shoot, I just you just learned
the lesson of the fact that you still have training
wheels on, and if you pedal and those wheels are down,
your tires are going to go nowhere fast. And that's
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how I feel about the Miami dolphins. Like they're peddling,
they still have their train wheels on. All of a sudden,
that back tire gets lifted up and they're like pedaling.
They're looking around like, wait, we haven't gone anywhere in
December and in the January, and they have to keep
pedaling the way they start the season all the way
through mid to late January. Otherwise we got nothing with
this team.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Well, it's like you're gonna try to teach your daughter
how to ride a bike in the snowstorm in five degrees.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
No, it's really really hard.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
It's the perfect metaphor because the Dolphins to take the
training wheels off, it's time to just go.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Teaching someone how to ride a bike is so difficult.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
It's not only mentally frustrating, it's physically really really I mean,
what you got to do basically is you got to
like hold the back of their seat and by the
shoulder and then you just kind of like run them around,
but the lower back is going and like you're getting old,
and then eventually you got to They keep saying, don't
let me go, don't let me go, and McDaniel's.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Got to just just let them go.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
But the problem is sometimes they fall on their face
and spit their knees and then they never trust you again,
and then they're going to a therapist couch.
Speaker 5 (06:32):
So it's a.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
Difficult thing, really difficult.
Speaker 5 (06:35):
You know, the best way to do it, right. The
best way to teach your kids.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
To ride a bike is take the training wheels off
and get them to get one of those ones where
they're just a strider, the strider, right, and you're just
going you're doing the srider and you work on your balance.
And I think that's where they are now. They've been
working on their balance, right. You take those bad boys off. Now,
all of a sudden, they're often going.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Out and do it.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
They also bought them like the most expensive bike ever,
that is true, and the fastest bike. Yeah, so like
maybe you know, they get in there and it's like
they got all the bell and they got the things
that the folks and the basket and the banana seat.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
If they still do those, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (07:14):
And but then once that bike gets going, it's like
more like a motorcycle. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
So when you fall off it like they did a narrowhead.
Speaker 5 (07:20):
It's ugly. Yeah. So I guess what you're saying is
they got a knee bike.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Yeah, crap, crowd rocket.
Speaker 3 (07:29):
I'm not going to even attempt to make the connection
between crotch rocket and this next conversation. We stayed with
the dolphins though, and this goes back in time. Tua
Tungovloa was on Dan Lebatard's podcast the other day and
Levatard asked him about his former head coach Brian Flores,
and the quarterback in Miami did not mince words when
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speaking of the relationship and the impact it had on
Tua at the time.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
If you woke up every morning and I told you
you sucked at what you did, that you don't belong
doing what you do, that you shouldn't be here, that
this guy should be here, that you haven't earned this right,
and then you have somebody else come in and tell you, dude,
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you are the best fit for this, like you are accurate,
you are the best. Whatever you are, this you are that.
Like how would it make you feel listening to one
or the other? You see what I'm saying, and then
you hear it. You hear it regardless of what it is,
the good or the bad, and you hear it more
and more. You start to actually believe that, I don't
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care who you are, you can be the president of
the United States. You have a terrible person that's telling
you things that you don't want to hear or that
you probably shouldn't be hearing you're going to start to
believe that about yourself, and so that's sort of like
what ended up happening, and it was.
Speaker 5 (08:55):
I mean, it's.
Speaker 7 (08:56):
Basically been what two years of training that out of
not just me, but you know a couple of the
guys as well that have been here since my rookie year.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Well, they say it takes two weeks to build a
new habit. Well, Tua is claiming that for two years
he was told by Brian Flores when in his tenure
in coaching in Miami, that he was not the quarterback
that he wanted to do that job for the Miami
Dolphins at the time. Off bar hearing that knowing you know,
Brian Flora is the type of coach he is, knowing
to what he's become.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
Your thoughts, Well.
Speaker 6 (09:26):
First off, you know, shout out to two for just
even having the emotional awareness to be able to express
himself in this way. The players, the generation, it's a
lot different. I think Brian Flores comes from a different era,
a different generation.
Speaker 5 (09:41):
He's a strong will coach.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
I don't think this is a knock on Brian Flores,
by the way, because I think the same approach could
be highly effective for a player like a Kobe Bryant,
the late Kobe Bryant. You know guys who respond to that.
I think the younger generation, they respond to a different
type of coaching and it's up to the coach to
then make that adjustment. Every player is so different in
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how they respond to criticism, how they respond to instructions,
and so I think what we're hearing here from Tua
is the fact that Tua was saying, look, I was
sensitive to that type of and it destroyed my confidence.
And you could see it in the numbers. His numbers
with Flora's was dramatically different than what he has with
coach McDaniel.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
Excuse me.
Speaker 6 (10:23):
So I say that because when I think about the
players psyche, a lot of coaches fall into this trap.
Speaker 5 (10:30):
Is like, it's just one way you're dealing.
Speaker 6 (10:32):
With fifty three guys, and not that you're going to
have to go through and try to manage fifty three
different emotions. But especially a key position like a quarterback,
you do have to be a little bit more aware
on the type of player you're dealing with. And so
he just seems to really have kind of broke under that.
But I like that Mike McDaniel would be interested to
see what it is that Mike McDaniel's doing differently than
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that of coach Flores.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Is it being soft spoken?
Speaker 6 (10:58):
Is it just always telling him you're great, you're great,
you're great, and never criticizing him.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
What is that coach mcdad and he's doing.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
You know, it's a really powerful quote. It's also really accusatory.
I would love to hear Brian Flores's response, which we won't.
I mean, he's not a head coach right now. He's
in Minnesota and he's just not going to talk on that.
But it's also a little bit surprising. I mean, you know,
it's not like TUA has always just had Mike McDaniels,
Like he played under Staban who's like the oldest of
old school and like doesn't suffer fools if he doesn't
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have to. But I think it's and it's like coaching
and parenting. It's it's you got to know your player
what they need. It's not something for everybody. It's like,
I don't believe this thing that this generation's players need
coddling or they're soft. I don't think that at all.
I think that's way too broad of a stroke. I
see it in the NFL. I see it at my
ten year old's baseball games. They coach them hard sometimes
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like this if anybody doesn't have kids, or is only
this illusion that everyone's soft now and everyone needs to
just be coddled constantly, it's not true. Sometimes they get
yelled at hard, and I've seen them from other teams,
from other towns everywhere. I just think like Mike McDaniel
saw Tua and realized what he needed, that this was
a guy who was really down in confidence, who didn't
believe in himself. On the side of that, he's dealing
with the injury issues he was, and I'm just gonna
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build him up and I'm gonna make him feel like
a superstar.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
I think it also happens a lot in what we do.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
We've all worked with people who make you feel like
you're some media superstar or something, and people who are like,
why did you do that in that segment? You don't
belong there. I think it's a case to case basis.
I think there's a lot of players that come in,
even rookies, who are like they need their ribs busted
right now by their coach, Like.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You got to do this better.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
I mean, I grew up watching John Gruden just scream
at guys. I mean, you can still pull up video
of Chris Sim's coming to the league and Gruden is
wearing him out. Chris Sims, huge college guy. It's the
son of the famous quarterback. He might have needed to
be brought down like that Bill Parcell, same thing. But
I still think there's a place for that. I think
there's a place for what Flora's did. I don't think
it's it's obsolete. I don't think that Flores is some
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sort of villain for doing that, though I think he
might have picked the wrong target. Brian Flores gave the
Dolphins back to back winning seasons for the first time
in about twenty years.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Like he did not fall on his face there.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
It wasn't a match with two and it sounds like
Mike McDaniel is there.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
I was just going to say there is a shift
though in generations. I've seen that even when I came in,
you know, to the prior generation. Just generations do change,
and changes doesn't necessarily mean this bet.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
To speak to the match I think between Brian Flores
and Tua. I covered all of Tua's college games at
Alabama in my four years on the SEC, two of
which were Alabama's prime years with Tua, And I know
there's a lot of prime years, but it was two
was two years starting there. Nick Saban does not mince
words when it comes to Nick Saban is one of
the hardest coaches to watch at practice, but he had
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a soft spot for Tua. I think Nick Saban has
the awareness that and there's more than fifty three guys
on the college rosters at times, so Nick Saban looks
at one hundred plus guys and maybe he addresses position
groups differently. But for some reason in his time in Tua,
he spoke not as intensely with other people there. There
was a maturation there, there was a level of intelligence there.
(14:02):
The way that coach Shaban communicated with Tua an assignment
college does not sound like by the way of how
Brian Flores went. That being said, Tua tung of Violoa
has a father that is very present in his football journey.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
Because we also know.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Taulea Tungo Violoa who's going through Maryland now. The Tongue
of Ioloa patriarch is a very intense individual in these
young men's lives and they speak on this a lot,
so Tua is well versed in the wide range of criticism,
emotional intensity, and the fact that this did not line
up with Brian Flora is to me all I hear is, Wow,
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that was really to attend in terms of tuas scale.
And I'm not faulting Brian Flores even though he is
generationally the same age ish as Mike McDaniel, he comes
from a different tree and I think in terms of
that might work defensively, it doesn't work for a subrebral
young man talented as Tua is. That clearly was not
the match. And I too appreciate too for coming out
(14:58):
and saying it, because I think it allows other players
to say this doesn't work for me, and frankly hopeing it.
Hopefully it opens the eyes to other coach. But you're
right to touch on all the coaches that Tua has
had and the fact that Mike McDaniel I remember saying
that he got there and he just wanted.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
To give to you a big hug.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Remember that it was early on he said that to him.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Yeah, and we've heard it stories for years that like
Belichick would annihilate Brady like and doing it in front
of the team.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Brady, what was this throw?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
And this is Brady MVP super Bowl winner, like deep
in his career, it was just annihilate him.
Speaker 2 (15:25):
There's something that coaches do too, to the.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Team and to the quarterback to bring them down, especially
maybe after they have some success or they get paid.
It sounds to me like Brian flour has just had
it in him that I'm going to toughen this two
up by whatever it means possible. And it sounds like
it was a horrible match and Mike McDaniel's perfect for him.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
You know what, It just took me back to coach Morton,
Chad Morton with the young running back on hard knocks.
I forget the young kid's name, but he's just on
top of them, top of them, and then he gives
them some love. He uses the sandwich effect. He's tough
on him, then he comes in gives them some love,
and then he's tough on him at the bottom of
it as well. So it just really just knowing who
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you are, and you see it looks like he's responding
very well in that hard nutt.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
All right there.
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Speaker 5 (16:52):
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Speaker 2 (16:53):
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we play Madden and like he has a hard time
against me.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (16:59):
My husband works from home now since we moved to
Los Angeles, and like all your voices in his office
and I'll be like, oh, he's probably on a call,
but I got to go in there and talk to
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in and he's like doing work, and I'm like, what's
going on? And he's playing maddening mad while getting work done.
Shout out to his company for allowing him to do that.
So that play and Madden taking places in one of
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the loudest venues in the NFL. If you've been to
Arrowhead Stadium, you know, So here's the question. You all
must have been at a sporting event that you felt
the stadium arena shake and maybe awkward if you're luck
enough you played in one, But do you have a
recent memory of this?
Speaker 6 (17:38):
One is Arrowhead Stadium? Where you know, being in the
AFC West and you go to Arrowhead Stadium.
Speaker 5 (17:43):
Still one of my places.
Speaker 6 (17:45):
I hate it playing just I mean, you could feel
the energy, you could feel it in your chest. You
can feel the field rumbling. But mine was going to
a soccer match overseas and I just have never seen
like literally I thought it was an earthquake and you're
just like they're all jumping the entire thing. It's like, yo,
I don't think this is structurally say, I guess it's
(18:08):
like like I think we should leave because at some
point the stadium is going to crumble. That's the wildest
thing if but NFL stadium ever got like that. Actually,
there was one close to that, LAFC here in Los Angeles.
They do the same type of nonsense where just the
entire game they're just jumping. Soccer is nuts like this. Yes,
(18:28):
now you we.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Always hear about Arrowhead.
Speaker 4 (18:30):
It's different. It's different. Like all the stadiums are loud.
It depends on a certain level of loud. And Seattle
says they're the loudest. Kansas City says they are.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Is it that different from other places?
Speaker 5 (18:40):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (18:41):
When you can it, I will tell you how crazy
it is. And this sets the tone when they're singing
the national anthem. I'll never forget the very first time
I had heard it, and they're going and the home Man,
I'm doing the little the athlete wave, you know, the
like the swaying like this, and you're just getting into
your emotions and the home of the and then they
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all go sees, God is my witness.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
It just like it's like a base that just goes
through your like, wow, what happens. It's like a force
that goes through you. It's weird.
Speaker 6 (19:14):
Likes any player, they'll tell you it is weird when
you hear that. And that's like if they're that loud
from just saying cheeze, yeah, imagine when they're screaming at
a different level, decibel level.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
That's cool.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
Arrowhead regular season game, I've done amazing night game at
lsu A Death Valley, amazing. But I take you to
Original six Playoff hockey for my answer. My one season
covering the Boston Bruins back in twenty fourteen. They had
just come off of Stanley Cup. They're trying to go
back to back Stanley Cup champions. They have the most
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wins in the regular season. They go back to back
Original six playoff teams. We go to Detroit for the
first round, then to Montreal for the second round. Goes
to game seven, the French national anthem, Game seven against
the Habs between Bruins and Montreal. I thought, and this
wasn't even when the game was being played, it was
when the national anthem in French was being sung, the
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whole building shook. It was insane and like I am
classically trained on football college, bast march das the loudest
arena I have ever been is original six playoff hockey playoffs?
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Is that crazy? Both of you guys in national anthem?
Was the moments like that it hit for you. I've
been to some unbelievable sporting events.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
I was at the Miracle in the Meadowlands, the overtime
game in two thousand when Jumbo Elliott cought touched on pass,
but it was.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Freezing and it was late. It wasn't that Loud.
Speaker 4 (20:33):
I was at the Bears, who we thought they were
a game and Devon Paster against the Cardinals, but that
was on the road. It wasn't that loud I won
the sports Fan Powerball, like in life that I grew
up in Chicago in the early nineties as a little
kid in the Chicagoland area, so I got to go
occasionally to Bulls games, and I would go to Knicks
games all the time when the Knicks would come into town.
And it's everything you saw from afar If living in
Chicago with the Bulls intro the song sixty six from
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North Carolina. But just inevitably as he just blows by
John Starks like as any player who was a Hall
of Famer and has respected and as tall as he
has ever.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Been dunked on more than Patrick Ewing in history.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
I love Pat, I respect him like he would get
dunked on every.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Five seconds in those games.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Scotty would get him, Michael would get him.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Horace Grant would get him.
Speaker 4 (21:15):
Sometimes I'm telling you, I Bill Carry I was dunking
on him. It was the low points of Patter Ewing's
Hall of Fame career were in Chicago Stadium, not the
United Center for the second three Pete the og crazy
Chicago Stadium before Michael's retirement. I would go there at
eleven years old, and it was crazy in nineteen ninety
one to do something called the Fano meter, which is.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Now at everything.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
Was like get louder fans, and the fans aren'tetting louder,
but it goes up anyway. They would bury the needle
on that sucker and I'd be screaming, and I'd love
the mascot, I love the cheerleader of the whole experience.
But Michael Jordan's sit there and Youn's just getting dunked
on every twelve seconds. It was the fantastic Chicago Stadium,
best sports moments of my life.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
I would do anything I know if I could to
trade to go back.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
And just sit so that it was amazing as general. Yeah,
I would do anything to sit in that time.
Speaker 8 (21:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
What was the name of the stadium a game?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Chicago Stadium.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
It wasn't one I was like, it wasn't sponsored by
a corporasion or airlines.
Speaker 2 (22:06):
It was just Chicago Stadium.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Time to bring in our front office analyst, Scott Pioli. Scot,
you have had many different backdrops behind you recently, and
now you look like you are back to the comforts
of your home.
Speaker 8 (22:19):
Yes, finally home. Thank goodness, Jamie, it's good to be
back home.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
We all know that people appreciate you when you show
up on the scene. We do too, because then you
get firsthand look at players and organizations and coaches. Let's
go to Chicago this past weekend. You were there up
close and personal. We can't get enough of Caleb Williams
and what people the eye test, what people see from him.
How do you characterize how his preseason is going.
Speaker 9 (22:44):
Jamie, The word I would use is encouraging and improvement.
So he's what we've seen from him is steady improvement
every single week in the games. He's learning from some
of the mistakes that he's making. He's getting better on
his details.
Speaker 8 (22:59):
You know. The other thing I'm.
Speaker 9 (23:00):
Seeing is he's getting better with his chemistry along with
the skilled players and the rest of his teammates. The
big thing that I've seen though, I think is his
ability to process what he's seeing. That has certainly improved
each week. But one of the little detail that I
really like to see and that I heard a little
bit about while I was out there, is that he's
getting better.
Speaker 8 (23:19):
In understanding the running game.
Speaker 9 (23:21):
And this is something that isn't often talked about with
young quarterbacks.
Speaker 8 (23:25):
They come into the NFL.
Speaker 9 (23:26):
They know the passing game, they know a lot about
the passing game, but they don't fully understand the running
game or the importance of the running game and when
they see certain looks when they need to check out.
So again, to me, what I see in terms of
talking about Caleb Williams is just so much encouraging work
that he's been doing over the course of these couple
of preseason games.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
We'd love to hear it. Tell us more, Scott. You've
seen so many rookie quarterbacks come in. You've seen number
one overall picks, You've seen Heisman you've seen it all.
Another guy who will likely have a very successful career
or something special.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Tell us more.
Speaker 9 (24:02):
Yeah, I think what I saw Kyle in being able
to see practice for a couple of days before the
preseason game, I saw them do the full scrimmage with
the Bengals. It was the on field communication and coming
off the field with Shane Waldron when they were working
the two minute drill. His professional maturity was just so impressive.
But as we're seeing here, one of the things that
we're seeing on tape here is him moving in and
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out of the pocket with both hands on the football.
And people want to talk about the throws and all
the special things he's doing athletically.
Speaker 8 (24:31):
That's very, very important.
Speaker 9 (24:33):
But if you remember, one of the things with Caleb
that was an issue coming out was the details of
his ball security. He had a lot of fumbles, a
lot of turnovers last year when moving.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Up in the pocket.
Speaker 9 (24:44):
So as you can see in a lot of these clips,
he is climbing the pocket with both hands on the ball,
securing the ball, which is a detail that Shane Waldron
and the coaches are working on in pre practice and
also during the scrimmages and everything that's going on. They're
always on him about the details. So again, it's not
just about the throws he makes in his athleticism, it's
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the details and securing the football.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
All right, Scott, So you know, let's stay in the NFC.
This quarterback is not getting a lot of hype. But
dan Quinn named Jayden Daniels the Commander's starter. You worked
with Jayden the last two years. What do you think
of this decision?
Speaker 9 (25:25):
Bar I'm totally fine with this decision because if we
go back and look, he's going to be twenty four
years old this NFL season, but he's also had five
years as a starter in college, three at Arizona State.
Sure there was the shortened season with COVID, but he
has had a lot of reps. He's had him again,
three years at Arizona State, two years in the SEC.
(25:46):
What I've seen with Jaden during the time at LSU
and in training camp when I was down there this year,
he has a rare maturity, intelligence, work ethic, and work habits.
And while I was down there, you could see those
things in practice. You could see him getting better again.
He has improved so significantly during those last two years
at Lsu. As you watch the arc of his improvement,
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it has just continued. And I'll say this about Dan Quinn.
I worked with him in Atlanta. Dan is never going
to put a football player out there, including his quarterback,
that isn't ready, that he doesn't think can win him
games or can't protect himself. So I'm totally on with this,
and I can't wait to see Jayden played because he's
absolutely one of my favorite players.
Speaker 8 (26:29):
In the league right now.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
Scott, this is a true story. On August fourth, This
is my phone. This is the notes app of my phone.
You guys, I have something I wrote to myself. I'm
sitting in the makeup chair before the show, and it
says Ian and Pioli with Jacoby Brissett on wanting to
win a starting job. I'm just writing this because it's
airing and I thought it was very interesting. Brissette says,
I am the perfect mentor, but I'm also the perfect
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player for the starting job. I don't take that lightly.
And then I wrote, remember this, if Jacoby beats out
Drake may to start this season. We still don't know
the answer to this question, Scott.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
That was on August fourth. How do you assess what is.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
Happening with the quarterback position in New England right now.
Speaker 9 (27:07):
Jamie, I love that you wrote that note because I
have it sitting here in front of me my notes
now I don't have to look down. But when Jacoby
said that in that interview, it was perfect because it
describes Jacoby.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
I've known Jacoby.
Speaker 9 (27:21):
Forever since he entered the league, and as a matter
of fact, my father in law is one of his
mentors since he was in middle school. The thing about Jacoby,
what he was saying there was I can be both things.
You can be a competitor, you can compete, you can
do all of those things with a player, but also
be their mentor. And this is one of the things
that I think is so underrated about Jacoby and players
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like him.
Speaker 8 (27:45):
In this game.
Speaker 9 (27:46):
You need selfless players that are not only going to
compete for jobs, but teach the future, teach players that
are younger than that are competing for their jobs, and
really mentor them so knowing that that's going to be
their true legacy.
Speaker 8 (28:01):
So when Jacoby said.
Speaker 9 (28:02):
That, he says, Hey, I'm the perfect guy, as you
just mentioned, because I'm going to compete, I'm going to
show my teammates.
Speaker 8 (28:08):
I'm competing, but I'm not giving this up.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
He has a personal core value that I think is
one of the most important and uncommon traits of a
player in the National Football League, and that is being
a selfless leader. I have tremendous I'm so glad that
you brought that up, Jamie, because that's where I wanted
to head.
Speaker 8 (28:24):
I'm not surprised he said it.
Speaker 9 (28:26):
He is going to compete and again, in this league
and in life, you can be both things.
Speaker 8 (28:31):
You can be a competitor and a mentor.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Scott, I'm sorry, did I catch a Your father in
law was his mentor since middle school. I need to
know the middle school and I need to know how
this connection and how that developed.
Speaker 9 (28:47):
So Parcells lives down in Florida, and he was close
friends with his high school coach, a gentleman by the
name of Jack Daniels at Dwyer High School down in Florida,
and Parcells was very close with Jack Daniels. Not the
Jack Daniels that I knew in college, but the Jack
Daniels actually coached high school football, and so Parcels got
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to know him. And he's actually not only been a
life mentor, but a financial advisor of sorts, just helping
you know, Jacoby grow up and understand what his future
is going to be. And they're still like this.
Speaker 6 (29:22):
You think Drake May wins that. I'm just asking you
straight if you think Drake may Drake May wins that competition.
Speaker 8 (29:28):
Hmm.
Speaker 9 (29:29):
I don't know if he does, because I know and
it's not a matter of just winning the job, but
I think it's also a matter of can he run
the offense and can he be ready and have the
offensive line because let's remember this offensive line. Part of
what's going to take is not just the skill which
is somewhat limited right now, but it's also going to
take play calling and adjusting and checking at the line
of scrimmage. Is Drake ready to do all of that?
(29:52):
Meeting the mental part in the moment, I don't know.
So it's always it's not always physical. I think it
also has something to do with the mental part that
we don't know and we don't see. Only the coaches
can evaluate. But I I think that there's a chance.
I think we're going to see both quarterbacks at different
points this season, truthfully, all.
Speaker 3 (30:09):
Right, Scott, and coming from you, that's good to know
that there might be balanced. There always a fun exercise
forcing Scott to say my father in law and then say, sorry,
your father, you mentioned your father in law. He still
parcels everybody, okay.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
At head coach Jack Daniels, it was the efference to
fate Johnny Walker, Scott, come.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
On, team, that's great.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
Where the defense Scott, Greg Goose, Scott.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
Farewell twenty twenty four preseason. You wrap up this weekend
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(31:01):
the go, you can also stream all of these things
on NFL Plus, which I am sure you have by now.
Justin Herbert, let's talk Herbert. Time for go bigger this
season by best buy Herbert.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
He wants to be.
Speaker 3 (31:15):
Bigger, he wants to be better, and he really wants
to return to the practice field, which he did yesterday.
He had a Planter fascion injury the last few weeks,
and let's just say his head coach was happy to
see the quarterback back.
Speaker 5 (31:30):
Well, to have Justin back out there practicing. Great, great.
I felt like the music should be playing. I haven't thought.
Speaker 8 (31:37):
I felt. I thought I heard music.
Speaker 6 (31:42):
Voices of angels maybe so great, so great?
Speaker 2 (31:47):
I bet I bet it did, Jim.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Can't you hear it?
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Yes, Jim.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
More about it to me is somebody who if you
if you wait a beat and you don't, like immediately
respond to something, he says, he'll just keep filling the air.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Weird cadence.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Sure, As I remember our friend Joey and Narrow who
does impressions, was doing his Nick Saving impression talking to
Harbaugh and he's.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Like, have you ever had a normal conversation about anything? Ever?
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Like he doesn't say stock things ever, it's always something unique.
He could have just said it was great to him
back out there. You know, he's getting some good raps
and right for the open. No, it's angels are singing.
That's why we love him, you know what.
Speaker 5 (32:22):
That's what we need in football.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
We don't have right, Like, like ninety nine percent of
the coaches are the same. They speak with the same
cadence they say. They literally string together all of the
cliches you could ever think of in one sentence, and
you just get pure Jim Harball. And the truth is,
that's Jim Haball off camera, that's Jim Harball at home,
(32:44):
that's Jim Haball at practice, Like that is Jim Harball.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
And I think that's why so many people love him.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
That's why the players can relate to him like that's
funny as hell to just listen to him and say no, no.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Actually, I actually I think I actually heard angels.
Speaker 4 (32:58):
It's like Jamie says, you gave him a minute, give
him a little beat. He's going to come in with
something unusual. He's not just going to stop. He does
like get almost like amorous about justin Herbert thought, like
he loves him. I know he took them. He took
the job because it's great location and a lot of money.
Like I think it's a huge part of White took
the job. I think he loves Herbert. When I sat
down with Hardbo a couple of weeks ago, I asked
like a pretty straight question about Herbert, like just you know,
(33:20):
talk about Herbert.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
He's like, man, justin Herbert's jeans are incredible. Like, I'm like, now.
Speaker 4 (33:25):
You're talking about his pants, are you're talking about his genetics.
He's talking about his genetics. He's got incredible jeans. And
I was like, that's one way to take a coach
and that's what we love you.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
But he's infatuated with Herbert. I'm so glad Herbert's back
out there too.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
That was a huge buzzkill when we saw him in
that walking boot, because you know, we, certainly me are
expecting huge things out of the Charges this year. But
I'll tell you what, if Herbert was seriously injured and
it comes for time for a playoff ten teams to
be picked by US, I was still going to pick
the Charges with Easton Stick, I'll still go with the Chargers.
I still think they're geting a wild card, but not
alt Herbert. I believe that much.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
On the coach.
Speaker 6 (33:57):
Well, I will say that it is good that he
is back out there because I was getting a little
concerned because I still have a lot of hope and
it feels for the Chargers. But I'm like, you got
a new offensive system. Now you've got some younger receivers.
You know, like just trying to make sure he gets
out there. But that's a heck of have you ever
had a plan offession?
Speaker 9 (34:14):
Now?
Speaker 2 (34:14):
But I know a lot about it from covering the league.
It's always bad.
Speaker 4 (34:17):
Oh, it's annoying, but it happened early in camp, a
couple of weeks of just doing nothing. And if he's
out there pucking it and make an angel sing, let's
go babe.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
You know what I kind of want from Justin Herbert.
I think we're seeing it right now with Tua actually
the Tua tongue of Ailoa personality wise, and maybe confidence
in himself and coming out and that we're hearing a
lot more from Tua.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
I want to hear more from Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
Maybe he's got this head coach now because Brandon Staley
before we loved him, he just didn't elicit a lot.
He didn't draw a lot out of you, in my opinion,
and Harball, like you want to give Harbaugh something because
you kind of want him to respond to you. So like,
maybe we see more from Justin Herbert personality wise on
the field in interviews.
Speaker 4 (34:54):
I really like that he picks the spots he said.
I've seen some viral videos of him that are funding.
He does a little bits, but I think it's going
to be like a penn and teller with him and Harbaugh.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Harbaugh's just going to non stop talk. Harba's out there
to check that succer. I mean, the heartbird is so
I don't think.
Speaker 3 (35:06):
He's talking about hearing things are saying
Speaker 2 (35:10):
I'm gonna eat an orange
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