October 22, 2025 • 28 mins
On this episode of the Off the Edge with Cam Jordan Podcast, Cam is joined by 2x Superbowl champ Malcolm Jenkins to discuss his busy post playing career. Malcolm explains the purpose of his new Substack Love, Art & War, how the Malcolm Jenkins Foundation has grown in its 15 years, and his new gig as an NFL game day photographer. Malcolm and Cam also share their surprising opinions on the Tush Push, as well as their thoughts on Brandon Graham coming out of retirement to rejoin the Eagles.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
And here we are back again for another episode of
Off the Edge with Cam Jordan with me your host,
Cam Jordan. I've got my dog, a guy who I
played with, a man who I've seen not only the passion,
the inspiration, the integrity of holding the game down and
so many different facets a pro bowler are two types
of bowl champion with two different teams.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
His hometown Eagles, my New Orleans Saints. My dog.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Malcolm Jenkins played thirteen years of NFL. Founder of the
Malcolm Jenkins Foundation as well as the Broadstreet Ventures VC fund.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
The man just accomplishes side quest.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I just saw him two weeks ago just taking pictures
of live game in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I was like, yo, oh, you came here to work work.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
He's got a little photographer vest On, and I'm like, okay,
he's just accomplishing side quest.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So this is a game to him. Okay, life is
a game.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
And he's bawling out of control on and off the field.
The man knows how to be relentless.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It's time for this week's Drive for Success Conversation, presented
by tailte Let's go places.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
You've also got you know, beyond being an activist and
I see you on like the Wall Street Journal page
pop ups every now and again.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
You've got what we call a sub stack. Sub yeah, yeah, yeah,
What exactly is a substack? Because I know a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Of words, I'm not going to say, like, hey, I
pride myself on being knowledgeable across a board of different items,
but I feel like I am and a substack meant
absolutely nothing to me.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
The subtect is just another social platform.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
It's essentially a newsletter, right, so instead of it being
small captions and photos and things like that like Instagram,
it really started with a bunch of writers who do
long form essays, thought pieces, you know, poetry, all kind
of stuff like that, which is right up my alley.
Once I wrote my memoir What Winers Won't Tell You,
writing really became one of my favorite mediums to communicate,
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and so I found.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I really gravitated to that platform.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
After the Super Bowl in New Orleans this past year,
I got really inspired to just put my thoughts out
there on how I see the game, this new phase
of life and how I'm taking all of the experiences
I had in football and applying it to this this
new wide open frontier that is, you know, retirement from sports,
(02:15):
so it's.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Like Pinterest, me's Facebook for.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, you know you want to see it.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I'm like, uh, okay, okay, writers in therehod okay, okay,
I mean just beyond beyond that, Bro, I love I
love what you you're able to do. I talked about
it just that few minutes we had before the game.
I was like, Bro, you're just accomplishing side missions. What
next is on? This is on this mission list? Because
there's got to be an operative stack, like you take
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over the world how slowly one paragraph at a.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Time, one paragraph at a time.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
But no, I think you know, when I retired, I
really looked at the landscape, and you know, what are
the avenues for me? Posts football, and the ones I
saw common was going into coaching, going into commentating, or
guys just disappearing. You know, you're not really knowing what
they're doing, and guys are isolating and struggling. And I
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just wasn't ready to go back into coaching or to
going to commentating. I knew I had the skills to
do both, but really that's not what my passion was.
I've sacrificed so much time from family, from community, and
I just something in my spirit is telling me there
there's other ways to approach this. And so really what
you see me doing now is trying to model for
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guys who don't necessarily want to go in those or
can't go into those, those traditional pathways of coaching and commentating,
to figure out, like, what does life look like after this?
How do you approach the game upon your own terms?
And so you know, that's what you see when you
see me with a credential on and a photographer's best
is because I'm choosing to show up how I want
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to right in this newfound passion of mind a mouth
doing sidequest, discovering passions.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And trying them out the same way.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
You know, when you wanted to be really, really good
at football, you researched, you practiced, you did everything you
could to get exposed.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
To it to see if it was what you really
really wanted to do.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
And that's what I'm really doing and I understand that
right now for the community of retire guys that struggle
after this game, it's important to showcase that there are
other opportunities, other avenues, other interests to be involved in.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
If you can't get into coaching or commentating.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You mentioned in Struggle after Retirement.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Is there any one piece of memorabilia that you wish
you would have kept and didn't once you were like,
you know, going through that stuff. Because as I'm talking
to guys that have retired, they're like, man, I had
these cliques from Super or Man I had, you know,
this first interception ball that I gave away. I wish
I would have kept that because it meant X. I
just need to know as I'm like like a crew
of my life.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Because I'm done in the next like three years for sure, Like.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Bro, here's some game.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
So one of the things that I got into as
I retired seriously was collecting art. So yeah, when you
you know, you collect a bunch of art, all of
a sudden you got to get that stuff in short.
And then through that, I learned that my memorabilia collection also.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Had value, actually had more value than my art.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
So all of those cleats, gloves, football's, Helman's game balls,
all of those awards have value. So definitely one take
inventory of it, keep it organized, understand what you have.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You know, some of it has more value than others.
Get it in short.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Some of those things I use now is like fundraising opportunities.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
But yeah, but a lot.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Of those those important moments, those interceptions, the helmets from
Key games.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I have all of that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Do you have the helmets of the man?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Need that?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I'm not so.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I think I try to send a jersey or something
to the parents and like I got no more, no
more space to put it.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I was like, all right, bet, and.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I'm sure you have.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I'm sure you got a ton of stuff, a ton
of you didn't give it all the way.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
No, But that's just it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I just want to know, like I'm just sort of
like gathering a list of like oh, like, man, you know,
I got like some special cleats, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
The Foundation cleats.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I've got, you know, a special pair of Jordan cleats
that you know, I just wore some all gold factory joints.
Ain't no customs, no more factory you know. I got
a couple of couple of game balls. I was I
was stacking game balls for a long time, and I
was like, what do I do with these? I've like
deflated them and now I'm gonna make like a little
mural in the weight room. I don't know, like I'm
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just gonna I'm figuring out place to put them to.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
But the biggest thing is to your point is one
just take inventory, Like this offseason you get a chance
literally pull it all out and see what you have.
I think you'll be surprised, especially how many years you
are right now it's fifteen.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I told you I was gonna play fifteen, and then
now're like, next year sounds good?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Maybe it doesn't, but yeah, man, that's that's one of
those things that guys don't talk about enough, is the
value of the memorabilia collections, especially as we're swapping.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Jerseys and all those things. Yeahs value.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I don't the jersey swaps. When did that start?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
That was?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Has it always been around?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
No? No, no, absolutely not. It would have been so
frowned upon.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Right vlogs were frowned upon swapping jersey like you lame time,
unless unless you was, like you guys were best friends,
boys like actual actual.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Like former teammates, and even then you might have swapped
like behind the scenes, not.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Not like hey, in the middle of the field, hold
that joint up, you know, like I mean it's crazy
in the locker room for sure. You know, you go
to a Pro Bowl, absolutely, hey, bro, But after a game,
I couldn't imagine twenty eleven, like, hey, bro, like remember
let's switch jerseys. No right here, let's take a picture
(08:09):
of it. Let's document this.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Coaches and players.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Jerseys, bro, what they would have posted us up during
the team meeting the very next day.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Look at these guys.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
They're more worried about themselves than they are the team
they would like, coach, the game is over, like they
ain't none of the individuality twenty eleven, like, ain't no
way it would have been you look, look.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Do you do you like that growth though, like the
evolution of the game, and just even like like I
hear so many players now talk about like them watching
TikTok and all of those things.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
It's like we would never say those things in an interview,
but it is what has grown the game at this point.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I mean I look at it like yo, Like you know,
guys used to rehearse their celebration dances. You don't let
you Lance Moore back in the day, just didn't go dance.
You had to be here's the king. The king, I say,
TikTok is a new mirror. Like you you're catching moves?
Are you making sure you got them?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
So?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I understand, you know, like I may not ever get
behind it, but I got kids, and you know, now
if the kids are older, we six seven, you know,
we do all that so I can see where it
goes as a as a as a retired player. Do
you ever think about coming out of retirement as a
side mission?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
No? No, that is complete, Buried. I'm good.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
All right?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
What about this?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
What about this week?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Your former teammate, you know, O g of mind, Brandon
Brown talking about talking about I'm going to reach over
to the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Got that knock? You got that got that call? Got
that is?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I mean, listen, it's very tempting when you know, especially
when you fresh out, when you know you still have
some snaps in you.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
The team is good, you know, it's not all.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Like hanging on you. It does make it, I think
more advertising. But for me, you know, when I was done,
I was sure, I'm like this is actually no, let
me take it back.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I'm lying to my.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Saying, y'all say, yeah you are, because we talked about it.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Next year?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Is that the next year? Actually, the Eagles gave me
a call and I'm like, hey, you know, what's you
struggling in that safety? They had a bunch of injuries.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I think, uh, Deucy got hurt, and uh, you know
I would have I would have taken that call if
I was allowed to. I couldn't just come out of
retirement from the Saints and joined the Eagles, though. But
so I understand the age, especially that that first year
out before you've really like detached yourself from the game.
So it's not surprising. We had a couple of guys.
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Guy retire middle of the season, so the team needs
some help. He's in the city, you know, no power
to you, right, I'll.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Say, you know they it was Zidarius retired, just up
and I seen an Instagram post and say, oh okay,
and all of a sudden, BG talked about, hey baby,
I'm back, back back.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean he joined the team. That's five and two.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I mean, you know, there were there were some questions
when they were sitting at you know, they lost two
games in a row, and they're like, have they figured
it out?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I mean five and two is a solid it's not.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, I mean you know that that team.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, it's just they have so much talent, they have
such a good you know, they have a complimentary team
that they just need to manage all of the personalities
and egos, you know media, you know in that media,
you know Arena of Philadelphia. They just need to manage
the locker room. And that was that was the case
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last year. That's going to be the case this year.
They've got talent, they've got coaches. That's not the issue
at all. They've got to stay healthy and kind of
keep those blinders on absolutely.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I mean, you know, we saw the touch bush again.
How do we feel about the touch bush?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Items Like, it's a very just a jailor Hurst thing.
You saw the Minnesota Vikings have.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Like they can't do it.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, That's the funny thing is like, well, everybody's like, oh, so,
you know, criticized it, and then everybody tried it and
realized like, oh, your quarterback actually has to be able
to squat some weight for it to work.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
The fact that nobody's been able to really stop it,
and the fact that they have variety off of it.
You know, they got the jet sweep off of it,
they got the hard counts.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
It's like they really take it to another level.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
And I personally love it because I feel like it's
the most old school play that we actually have, and
the fact that it's still so as somebody who likes history,
the fact that it's so effective, like the oldest three
yards in a cloud of dust philosophy still works is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
No that I'll say, all the all the old folks
that were tune into the game should absolutely love it.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Like, hey, this is nineteen seventy, nineteen.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Sixty football right here, the original We're coming down here
you catched up. Okay, but we get it. I mean
it led to it led to a super Bowl. You know,
tell me what that's like. Do you have a favorite
super Bowl in.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I think the Eagles Super Bowl just because I played more.
I played the entire game. I played like the most,
maybe like a half and a little bit more in
my rookie year, and so in being the captain of
the team. You know, it was just I had so
much more invested in that second super Bowl than my
rookie year when I was like along for the ride
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and got thrown into the fire kind of thing. But both,
you know, being able to bring the first Super Bowl
to both cities, you know, is one of those things.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That I really can't choose. It's so significant not.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Only to myself but to the city, to the fan
base that you know, it really.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Keeps me attached to both places, and both places are
home to me.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Right And now you're part of you know, history and
two different franchises, you know, Saints of course or Drew Brees.
That's got to be awesome coming as a rookie and
just have one in the bag, like, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Thought I was gonna get you know, I thought I
was gonna get them every every couple of years.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
In twenty eleven when we were close.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Man, twenty eleven my rookie year, what two thousand, even
my rookie year, I was like, oh, this this winning
thing is just natural, Like oh.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, I was the best team I've ever been off.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
We we want thirteen to three something like that. It
was like whatever eleven five thirty three some some something
like it just felt too easy to win when didn't
didn't win, didn't lose a home game for like two
years running, you know, like, hey, you coming here, we
lock these doors behind you.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Now you know your asses?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, now you can't leave.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Now you can't leave. In fact, thanks for the dub,
We'll let you out now, you know. That's what it
felt like. And now I'm on the other side of
things where you go from being constant having having one
of the best to ever do it. Now you're like,
all right, we're figuring out that next wave. Figuring out
the next wave is not as easy as it looks.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
That's the one thing about this league, man, it's there
are windows.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
And that's what makes it so so great is.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
That when you know you have the locker room and
the core to get it done, you have to get
it done in that time period because you know, if
you're not successful, the regime changes. If you are successful,
people get paid and move on. So it's only a
window you know, of time that you actually have get
it done. And that's the magic of it all. That's
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why you know, we have different champions every year. We
have you know, you know, different teams going from the
bottom to the top.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And that's what that's what I like about the league.
It's always competitive.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Man.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It's just like those iconic moments.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Is that like, is that feeling of like, man, two
thousand and nine, this this you know, the Super Bowl
with the with the Philadelphia they you know, the coming
back to the Saints, these iconic moments. Is that sort
of what like led you into photography or like how
does how did that work?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
No, I think again, it's like how do I come
back to the game on my own terms?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
And so I've been spending a lot. I've been avoiding
coming back to games.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Because I'm not I'm not a player, I'm not a coach.
I have nothing going on with you know, the outcome
of the game. You know, as a fan of the game,
like great, when it becomes I have to ask myself
like well, why are you here?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You know, like it's and you kind of feel like
you're getting paraded around.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
But I think once I got behind the camera, it
started with me just taking photo with my daughter playing soccer,
and then I'm like, okay, I went to.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
An MLS game. To some things, I'm like, well, I
might as.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Well do some NFL games. But what it allowed me
to do was to approach the game on my own terms,
doing something that I'd love to do from a vantage
point that I was used to, not the stands. I
can be down on the field, I'm looking at the
formation to understand what plays come in and where I
think the ball's gonna go, where I need to put
my camera. Like that just helped me use these dormant
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talents and knowledge that I've had outside you know, now
used in the game that I've had a hard time
applying out in the world. This gave me the medium
and the platform to actually put that stuff to use
just for fun, just for artistic expression, just for the
sake of exploration. And I think that is an example
and I'm not the only one, but trying to leave
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real life examples for guys that leave the game to
show that there are so many different avenues of which
we can interact with our game besides being a player,
a coach, or you know, commentating.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Absolutely absolutely. I was like, you got and you found
out you loved it?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Mm hmm, yeah, I mean it's it's yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
So it is a complimentary to It compliments my writing really,
and that's why I got into photography is my collection
of art.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I love photography.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
As I started to write more, adding the things that
I'm seeing just just brightens the context for the reader.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
And so yeah, it's all about storytellering for me.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
As as an author, as a writer, does that you
know said is the next one? Like, so you you
obtained goals? They are critically acclaimed in that space.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Do you have the goal of shooting a Super Bowl,
Like what is what is the photography?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Is there a photography?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You know, like elevated status, like oh man, I got
to shoot this event Olympics coming up.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I think that's the thing about being an athlete that
I have that we have to shape. Sometimes it's feeling
like we have to be the best at everything in
order to in order for it to be valuable. And
for me it's like, No, the exercise of being a
rookie and things like that just give me new life
that you learn so much more about yourself, You learn
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about a new craft, And I think it's more of
an exercise of a self scout than anything else.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Right, how do you get outside? What do you do
when you are uncomfortable? You're in a situation you're unsure.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
How do I go back to the things that I
did when I was a rookie in the locker room
of the Saints or of things?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
How did I approach the game? Who did I look
up to?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
And getting used to working those muscles are important in
every genre life, whether you're trying to figure out how
to be your new dad and trying to figure out
how to make this work. It's like, well, you find
some people to look at, try some things out, read
a couple of books, get in the field and do it.
And again, I think doing those things out loud, understanding that.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I represent or that a lot of people look to
my example to follow.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I try to do it in a way that is
out loud and unconventional because I know, you know, some
avenues aren't aren't open to everybody else. And I'm completely
committed to living a life outside of the box.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Mm hmm, yeah, I don't don't. I don't know, boy,
outside of the box. I just want to be competitive
all my life, my life nature. I don't know if
I can have a self reflection like I want. I
don't know if I got that.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I need to be the best like I have. That's
an innate need. I think that's innately who I am.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It's probably why like I started up my foundation, the
cam Jordan Foundation, because I was like, yo, I had
I had everything at hand to be the best. I
went to the University of California, Berkeley. I had, you know,
I had a great dad who was able to provide
with I was like, I'm looking at it. I'm like
this next generation they you know, there's kids that want
to be the best, but they don't have the means to.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Get to college. So I focused on education.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You know, we've been able to send kids off to
college and Uianda public schools and pay for the whole tuition.
Like you know, your foundation in the Malcolm Jacobs Foundation,
you know you started, you started with your first.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Year, second year, Yeah, twenty ten, my second year in
the league. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, you talk, you know with everything that I know
if you've you've always talked about paying affward for just
you know, the next wave as well. Just give me
in a nextdoe of you know what the foundation program has?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
How has it grown since since twenty ten?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Man, we started in twenty ten, which means that this
year we'll celebrated fifteen years of work, which is longer
than I played in the league, which is when I
think about that is really mind blowing me and my mom,
she's the president of the foundation. We started in New
Orleans and expanded it to everywhere we call home.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
So that was Ohio, Columbus, Ohio, Philadelphia, where I was
at playing, and then Pitscatto in New Jersey. And you
stayed in New Jersey where I'm from and being able
to expand our programs that exist in all of these markets,
regardless if I'm there or not, servicing thousands.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Of community members.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
We just had an event in Philly a couple of
weeks ago where we fed about eight hundred families, and
you know, just to be able to have the support
from the community to expand our our reach across the
country to provide things like food, education services, financial literacy,
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storytelling things, exposing kids to art. We do it all
like literally, all of the things that I'm doing in
my life. Journey is not just an example like hey
watch me. We're taking all of that access and pushing
it down to this next generation to let them know
that they can get these same skills, they can walk
these same paths. You don't have to be an NFL
player to do.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
The side quest. Side quests are open for everybody if you.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Kind of take the time, breathe, analyze yourself about what
you like, what you do, don't try some things and
put yourself out there.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Absolutely just adding to the legacy for sure. You know,
I guess they'll say all these side missions.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
You know, you think about just what you've done with
the with the VC as well, that's what you make
me mad. Well, these like I feel like I got
to step my head up, Like I'm like, you know,
I can do more. I could, I could do more.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It's definitely out there for you if you want to.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I think that's really that's really the biggest thing. Sometimes
we feel like things aren't available to us.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
It's like, if you don't want to do it, that's
that's all good. But if you do want to get
out here, you know, I'm looking at how everybody else
makes money, you know, because we're all.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Like, okay, we want to grow generational wealth. And I
realized real quickly, you.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Have generational wealth.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
No, I don't. I've got you can. We hear every
day about athletes going broke. So to say that we
have generational wealth is like, we have the potential for
generational wealth. We have a great foundation if we then
make our money work just as hard as us. But
if we don't, this money is going to run out in.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Five to ten years. And so what I had to
do is like, okay, well who is making all of
the money in the country. Who are the richest folks?
And when you look at it. They all make that.
They're not making it in stock market.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
They make their money in venture capital, private equity, real estate,
and franchise. So I made sure I got in all
of them. And then when I built it, you know,
I didn't just want to do it for me. I'm like,
I know my peers need access to this stuff. These
are the things that we don't talk about a lot
in locker rooms, don't hear about a lot. So if
I'm a set it up for myself, I'm a creative
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vehicle where my teammates, my peers from across the league,
across the industries can also invest with me. That's what
Broad Street Ventures is, athletes, franchise partners, and we've been
able to really build this as a community and a network,
which is the exact model that everybody else is in
this country when you talk about the top top herners.
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But those are the things that we talk about.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Enough. Is building a team, you know, outside of the game.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Absolutely, especially now while I'm playing whatever it is, I
tell the guys, I'm like, hey, bro, like you've got
a lot of teammates and a lot of different things.
I was like, if you feel like you need to
learn something right now is the best idea.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yes, When Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Graham was in the locker room last year, I said, Bro,
I said, you should talk to him, my man, you know,
does these amazing things off the field?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Tap in if you got some business questions.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
You know, you know Taysom Hill before, you know, the
seven years before he got to the NFL, you know,
on a b YU route. You know, he was working
it to be in the financial district, like Bro, Like
you have it at the palm of your hands right now.
As well as being able to leverage who you are
to get into the rooms that you want to be
in after you are who you are, not.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
What's what's this? What's this?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Helmet gets peeled back and nobody really cares about the
shield that you're not rocky anymore. You know, when you
can go from Cam jordan' the Sames player to just
Cam Jordan, you should leverage Cam Jordans football player as
hard as you can, as much as you can.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, but also set up who Cam Jordan's gonna be afterwards,
because Cam Jordan's only gonna be a football player for fifteen, sixteen,
maybe seventeen years.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, exactly, it's Cam Jordan.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Gonna be Cam Jordan for a long time and eventually.
And I think that's what guys struggle with is when
you put all your chips into being just a football player,
when you are no longer a football player, you can't
go back on that field even if you wanted to.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
You have to thedn't answer the question to yourself who
am I? If you haven't answered that already, it will
be stressful. And this is from experience. And I had
all the things going on and I still had that
same question, like, Okay, without this game, I've said mortar
an athlete as a cliche, but now I got to
put foot the payment. Who am I? Without the games?
(25:57):
And I think what you see me doing is actively
working that out.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Absolutely. Oh shoot, Like, I ain't gonna take you too
much more of your time. I appreciate you for tapping
in with me, of course, but shout out appreciate you
for everything you are. You get being inducted into I
almost forgot being inducted to the to the Eagles Hall
of Fame November twenty eighth. You guys play Caleb Williams
and the Bears in Rome, and Doonzle.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Said You've been even nothing but inspiration since I've met you.
I still have a favorite play back when it was
like twenty eleven or twelve, we played Tampa.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Bay and you walk down freaking the Vincent Jackson ju Yeah,
Junior d whatever it is, walked him down. You know,
we had we had the awesome goal line stop and
we like, hopefully they take because it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
You came forty yards from deep uh and then we
ended up.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
You know, didn't you make the fourth down stop on that?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I didn't want to say there's a sequence of why
it's one of my Yeah, exactly, but appreciates you stopping
on the pod. Shout out to the Malcolm Jenkins Foundation,
the Marshallville's Kingsley, the VC Fund, the Broadstreet, the Substack,
(27:09):
it's everything that is Malcolm Jenkins, Doug.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I appreciate it, love brother.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
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Speaker 1 (27:48):
I'm happy that my guy is continually succeeding off the
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Speaker 2 (27:53):
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And here we are back again for another episode of
Off the Edge with Cam Jordan with me your host,
Cam Jordan. I've got my dog, a guy who I
played with, a man who I've seen not only the passion,
the inspiration, the integrity of holding the game down and
so many different facets a pro bowler are two types
of bowl champion with two different teams.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
His hometown Eagles, my New Orleans Saints. My dog.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Malcolm Jenkins played thirteen years of NFL. Founder of the
Malcolm Jenkins Foundation as well as the Broadstreet Ventures VC fund.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
The man just accomplishes side quest.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
I just saw him two weeks ago just taking pictures
of live game in New Orleans.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I was like, yo, oh, you came here to work work.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
He's got a little photographer vest On, and I'm like, okay,
he's just accomplishing side quest.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So this is a game to him. Okay, life is
a game.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
And he's bawling out of control on and off the field.
The man knows how to be relentless.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
It's time for this week's Drive for Success Conversation, presented
by tailte Let's go places.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
You've also got you know, beyond being an activist and
I see you on like the Wall Street Journal page
pop ups every now and again.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
You've got what we call a sub stack. Sub yeah, yeah, yeah,
What exactly is a substack? Because I know a lot.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Of words, I'm not going to say, like, hey, I
pride myself on being knowledgeable across a board of different items,
but I feel like I am and a substack meant
absolutely nothing to me.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
The subtect is just another social platform.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
It's essentially a newsletter, right, so instead of it being
small captions and photos and things like that like Instagram,
it really started with a bunch of writers who do
long form essays, thought pieces, you know, poetry, all kind
of stuff like that, which is right up my alley.
Once I wrote my memoir What Winers Won't Tell You,
writing really became one of my favorite mediums to communicate,
(01:50):
and so I found.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
I really gravitated to that platform.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
After the Super Bowl in New Orleans this past year,
I got really inspired to just put my thoughts out
there on how I see the game, this new phase
of life and how I'm taking all of the experiences
I had in football and applying it to this this
new wide open frontier that is, you know, retirement from sports,
(02:15):
so it's.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Like Pinterest, me's Facebook for.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, you know you want to see it.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I'm like, uh, okay, okay, writers in therehod okay, okay,
I mean just beyond beyond that, Bro, I love I
love what you you're able to do. I talked about
it just that few minutes we had before the game.
I was like, Bro, you're just accomplishing side missions. What
next is on? This is on this mission list? Because
there's got to be an operative stack, like you take
(02:44):
over the world how slowly one paragraph at a.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Time, one paragraph at a time.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
But no, I think you know, when I retired, I
really looked at the landscape, and you know, what are
the avenues for me? Posts football, and the ones I
saw common was going into coaching, going into commentating, or
guys just disappearing. You know, you're not really knowing what
they're doing, and guys are isolating and struggling. And I
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just wasn't ready to go back into coaching or to
going to commentating. I knew I had the skills to
do both, but really that's not what my passion was.
I've sacrificed so much time from family, from community, and
I just something in my spirit is telling me there
there's other ways to approach this. And so really what
you see me doing now is trying to model for
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guys who don't necessarily want to go in those or
can't go into those, those traditional pathways of coaching and commentating,
to figure out, like, what does life look like after this?
How do you approach the game upon your own terms?
And so you know, that's what you see when you
see me with a credential on and a photographer's best
is because I'm choosing to show up how I want
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to right in this newfound passion of mind a mouth
doing sidequest, discovering passions.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
And trying them out the same way.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
You know, when you wanted to be really, really good
at football, you researched, you practiced, you did everything you
could to get exposed.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
To it to see if it was what you really
really wanted to do.
Speaker 4 (04:17):
And that's what I'm really doing and I understand that
right now for the community of retire guys that struggle
after this game, it's important to showcase that there are
other opportunities, other avenues, other interests to be involved in.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
If you can't get into coaching or commentating.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
You mentioned in Struggle after Retirement.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Is there any one piece of memorabilia that you wish
you would have kept and didn't once you were like,
you know, going through that stuff. Because as I'm talking
to guys that have retired, they're like, man, I had
these cliques from Super or Man I had, you know,
this first interception ball that I gave away. I wish
I would have kept that because it meant X. I
just need to know as I'm like like a crew
of my life.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Because I'm done in the next like three years for sure, Like.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Bro, here's some game.
Speaker 4 (05:03):
So one of the things that I got into as
I retired seriously was collecting art. So yeah, when you
you know, you collect a bunch of art, all of
a sudden you got to get that stuff in short.
And then through that, I learned that my memorabilia collection also.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Had value, actually had more value than my art.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
So all of those cleats, gloves, football's, Helman's game balls,
all of those awards have value. So definitely one take
inventory of it, keep it organized, understand what you have.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You know, some of it has more value than others.
Get it in short.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
Some of those things I use now is like fundraising opportunities.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
But yeah, but a lot.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Of those those important moments, those interceptions, the helmets from
Key games.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
I have all of that.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Do you have the helmets of the man?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
Need that?
Speaker 2 (05:58):
I'm not so.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I think I try to send a jersey or something
to the parents and like I got no more, no
more space to put it.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I was like, all right, bet, and.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
I'm sure you have.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I'm sure you got a ton of stuff, a ton
of you didn't give it all the way.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
No, But that's just it.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
I just want to know, like I'm just sort of
like gathering a list of like oh, like, man, you know,
I got like some special cleats, you know, like.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
The Foundation cleats.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
I've got, you know, a special pair of Jordan cleats
that you know, I just wore some all gold factory joints.
Ain't no customs, no more factory you know. I got
a couple of couple of game balls. I was I
was stacking game balls for a long time, and I
was like, what do I do with these? I've like
deflated them and now I'm gonna make like a little
mural in the weight room. I don't know, like I'm
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just gonna I'm figuring out place to put them to.
Speaker 4 (06:51):
But the biggest thing is to your point is one
just take inventory, Like this offseason you get a chance
literally pull it all out and see what you have.
I think you'll be surprised, especially how many years you
are right now it's fifteen.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
I told you I was gonna play fifteen, and then
now're like, next year sounds good?
Speaker 4 (07:09):
Maybe it doesn't, but yeah, man, that's that's one of
those things that guys don't talk about enough, is the
value of the memorabilia collections, especially as we're swapping.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Jerseys and all those things. Yeahs value.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
I don't the jersey swaps. When did that start?
Speaker 3 (07:25):
That was?
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Has it always been around?
Speaker 3 (07:27):
No? No, no, absolutely not. It would have been so
frowned upon.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Right vlogs were frowned upon swapping jersey like you lame time,
unless unless you was, like you guys were best friends,
boys like actual actual.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
Like former teammates, and even then you might have swapped
like behind the scenes, not.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Not like hey, in the middle of the field, hold
that joint up, you know, like I mean it's crazy
in the locker room for sure. You know, you go
to a Pro Bowl, absolutely, hey, bro, But after a game,
I couldn't imagine twenty eleven, like, hey, bro, like remember
let's switch jerseys. No right here, let's take a picture
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of it. Let's document this.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Coaches and players.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Jerseys, bro, what they would have posted us up during
the team meeting the very next day.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Look at these guys.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
They're more worried about themselves than they are the team
they would like, coach, the game is over, like they
ain't none of the individuality twenty eleven, like, ain't no
way it would have been you look, look.
Speaker 4 (08:31):
Do you do you like that growth though, like the
evolution of the game, and just even like like I
hear so many players now talk about like them watching
TikTok and all of those things.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
It's like we would never say those things in an interview,
but it is what has grown the game at this point.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
I mean I look at it like yo, Like you know,
guys used to rehearse their celebration dances. You don't let
you Lance Moore back in the day, just didn't go dance.
You had to be here's the king. The king, I say,
TikTok is a new mirror. Like you you're catching moves?
Are you making sure you got them?
Speaker 2 (09:03):
So?
Speaker 1 (09:03):
I understand, you know, like I may not ever get
behind it, but I got kids, and you know, now
if the kids are older, we six seven, you know,
we do all that so I can see where it
goes as a as a as a retired player. Do
you ever think about coming out of retirement as a
side mission?
Speaker 3 (09:18):
No? No, that is complete, Buried. I'm good.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
All right?
Speaker 3 (09:23):
What about this?
Speaker 2 (09:24):
What about this week?
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Your former teammate, you know, O g of mind, Brandon
Brown talking about talking about I'm going to reach over
to the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Got that knock? You got that got that call? Got
that is?
Speaker 4 (09:36):
I mean, listen, it's very tempting when you know, especially
when you fresh out, when you know you still have
some snaps in you.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
The team is good, you know, it's not all.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
Like hanging on you. It does make it, I think
more advertising. But for me, you know, when I was done,
I was sure, I'm like this is actually no, let
me take it back.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I'm lying to my.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Saying, y'all say, yeah you are, because we talked about it.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
Next year?
Speaker 3 (10:03):
Is that the next year? Actually, the Eagles gave me
a call and I'm like, hey, you know, what's you
struggling in that safety? They had a bunch of injuries.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
I think, uh, Deucy got hurt, and uh, you know
I would have I would have taken that call if
I was allowed to. I couldn't just come out of
retirement from the Saints and joined the Eagles, though. But
so I understand the age, especially that that first year
out before you've really like detached yourself from the game.
So it's not surprising. We had a couple of guys.
(10:31):
Guy retire middle of the season, so the team needs
some help. He's in the city, you know, no power
to you, right, I'll.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Say, you know they it was Zidarius retired, just up
and I seen an Instagram post and say, oh okay,
and all of a sudden, BG talked about, hey baby,
I'm back, back back.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
I mean he joined the team. That's five and two.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
I mean, you know, there were there were some questions
when they were sitting at you know, they lost two
games in a row, and they're like, have they figured
it out?
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I mean five and two is a solid it's not.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
Yeah, I mean you know that that team.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
Yeah, it's just they have so much talent, they have
such a good you know, they have a complimentary team
that they just need to manage all of the personalities
and egos, you know media, you know in that media,
you know Arena of Philadelphia. They just need to manage
the locker room. And that was that was the case
(11:28):
last year. That's going to be the case this year.
They've got talent, they've got coaches. That's not the issue
at all. They've got to stay healthy and kind of
keep those blinders on absolutely.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
I mean, you know, we saw the touch bush again.
How do we feel about the touch bush?
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Items Like, it's a very just a jailor Hurst thing.
You saw the Minnesota Vikings have.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Like they can't do it.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
Yeah, That's the funny thing is like, well, everybody's like, oh, so,
you know, criticized it, and then everybody tried it and
realized like, oh, your quarterback actually has to be able
to squat some weight for it to work.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Right.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
The fact that nobody's been able to really stop it,
and the fact that they have variety off of it.
You know, they got the jet sweep off of it,
they got the hard counts.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
It's like they really take it to another level.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
And I personally love it because I feel like it's
the most old school play that we actually have, and
the fact that it's still so as somebody who likes history,
the fact that it's so effective, like the oldest three
yards in a cloud of dust philosophy still works is beautiful.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
No that I'll say, all the all the old folks
that were tune into the game should absolutely love it.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Like, hey, this is nineteen seventy, nineteen.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Sixty football right here, the original We're coming down here
you catched up. Okay, but we get it. I mean
it led to it led to a super Bowl. You know,
tell me what that's like. Do you have a favorite
super Bowl in.
Speaker 4 (12:48):
I think the Eagles Super Bowl just because I played more.
I played the entire game. I played like the most,
maybe like a half and a little bit more in
my rookie year, and so in being the captain of
the team. You know, it was just I had so
much more invested in that second super Bowl than my
rookie year when I was like along for the ride
(13:09):
and got thrown into the fire kind of thing. But both,
you know, being able to bring the first Super Bowl
to both cities, you know, is one of those things.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
That I really can't choose. It's so significant not.
Speaker 4 (13:21):
Only to myself but to the city, to the fan
base that you know, it really.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Keeps me attached to both places, and both places are
home to me.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Right And now you're part of you know, history and
two different franchises, you know, Saints of course or Drew Brees.
That's got to be awesome coming as a rookie and
just have one in the bag, like, you know, I.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Thought I was gonna get you know, I thought I
was gonna get them every every couple of years.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
In twenty eleven when we were close.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Man, twenty eleven my rookie year, what two thousand, even
my rookie year, I was like, oh, this this winning
thing is just natural, Like oh.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Yeah, I was the best team I've ever been off.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
We we want thirteen to three something like that. It
was like whatever eleven five thirty three some some something
like it just felt too easy to win when didn't
didn't win, didn't lose a home game for like two
years running, you know, like, hey, you coming here, we
lock these doors behind you.
Speaker 2 (14:14):
Now you know your asses?
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Yeah, now you can't leave.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Now you can't leave. In fact, thanks for the dub,
We'll let you out now, you know. That's what it
felt like. And now I'm on the other side of
things where you go from being constant having having one
of the best to ever do it. Now you're like,
all right, we're figuring out that next wave. Figuring out
the next wave is not as easy as it looks.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
That's the one thing about this league, man, it's there
are windows.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
And that's what makes it so so great is.
Speaker 4 (14:42):
That when you know you have the locker room and
the core to get it done, you have to get
it done in that time period because you know, if
you're not successful, the regime changes. If you are successful,
people get paid and move on. So it's only a
window you know, of time that you actually have get
it done. And that's the magic of it all. That's
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why you know, we have different champions every year. We
have you know, you know, different teams going from the
bottom to the top.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
And that's what that's what I like about the league.
It's always competitive.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Man.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
It's just like those iconic moments.
Speaker 1 (15:16):
Is that like, is that feeling of like, man, two
thousand and nine, this this you know, the Super Bowl
with the with the Philadelphia they you know, the coming
back to the Saints, these iconic moments. Is that sort
of what like led you into photography or like how
does how did that work?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
No, I think again, it's like how do I come
back to the game on my own terms?
Speaker 3 (15:35):
And so I've been spending a lot. I've been avoiding
coming back to games.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Because I'm not I'm not a player, I'm not a coach.
I have nothing going on with you know, the outcome
of the game. You know, as a fan of the game,
like great, when it becomes I have to ask myself
like well, why are you here?
Speaker 3 (15:52):
You know, like it's and you kind of feel like
you're getting paraded around.
Speaker 4 (15:55):
But I think once I got behind the camera, it
started with me just taking photo with my daughter playing soccer,
and then I'm like, okay, I went to.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
An MLS game. To some things, I'm like, well, I
might as.
Speaker 4 (16:06):
Well do some NFL games. But what it allowed me
to do was to approach the game on my own terms,
doing something that I'd love to do from a vantage
point that I was used to, not the stands. I
can be down on the field, I'm looking at the
formation to understand what plays come in and where I
think the ball's gonna go, where I need to put
my camera. Like that just helped me use these dormant
(16:28):
talents and knowledge that I've had outside you know, now
used in the game that I've had a hard time
applying out in the world. This gave me the medium
and the platform to actually put that stuff to use
just for fun, just for artistic expression, just for the
sake of exploration. And I think that is an example
and I'm not the only one, but trying to leave
(16:50):
real life examples for guys that leave the game to
show that there are so many different avenues of which
we can interact with our game besides being a player,
a coach, or you know, commentating.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
Absolutely absolutely. I was like, you got and you found
out you loved it?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Mm hmm, yeah, I mean it's it's yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
So it is a complimentary to It compliments my writing really,
and that's why I got into photography is my collection
of art.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
I love photography.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
As I started to write more, adding the things that
I'm seeing just just brightens the context for the reader.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
And so yeah, it's all about storytellering for me.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
As as an author, as a writer, does that you
know said is the next one? Like, so you you
obtained goals? They are critically acclaimed in that space.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
Do you have the goal of shooting a Super Bowl,
Like what is what is the photography?
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Is there a photography?
Speaker 1 (17:44):
You know, like elevated status, like oh man, I got
to shoot this event Olympics coming up.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
I think that's the thing about being an athlete that
I have that we have to shape. Sometimes it's feeling
like we have to be the best at everything in
order to in order for it to be valuable. And
for me it's like, No, the exercise of being a
rookie and things like that just give me new life
that you learn so much more about yourself, You learn
(18:11):
about a new craft, And I think it's more of
an exercise of a self scout than anything else.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Right, how do you get outside? What do you do
when you are uncomfortable? You're in a situation you're unsure.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
How do I go back to the things that I
did when I was a rookie in the locker room
of the Saints or of things?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
How did I approach the game? Who did I look
up to?
Speaker 4 (18:35):
And getting used to working those muscles are important in
every genre life, whether you're trying to figure out how
to be your new dad and trying to figure out
how to make this work. It's like, well, you find
some people to look at, try some things out, read
a couple of books, get in the field and do it.
And again, I think doing those things out loud, understanding that.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
I represent or that a lot of people look to
my example to follow.
Speaker 4 (19:05):
I try to do it in a way that is
out loud and unconventional because I know, you know, some
avenues aren't aren't open to everybody else. And I'm completely
committed to living a life outside of the box.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Mm hmm, yeah, I don't don't. I don't know, boy,
outside of the box. I just want to be competitive
all my life, my life nature. I don't know if
I can have a self reflection like I want. I
don't know if I got that.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
I need to be the best like I have. That's
an innate need. I think that's innately who I am.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
It's probably why like I started up my foundation, the
cam Jordan Foundation, because I was like, yo, I had
I had everything at hand to be the best. I
went to the University of California, Berkeley. I had, you know,
I had a great dad who was able to provide
with I was like, I'm looking at it. I'm like
this next generation they you know, there's kids that want
to be the best, but they don't have the means to.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Get to college. So I focused on education.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
You know, we've been able to send kids off to
college and Uianda public schools and pay for the whole tuition.
Like you know, your foundation in the Malcolm Jacobs Foundation,
you know you started, you started with your first.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Year, second year, Yeah, twenty ten, my second year in
the league. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, you talk, you know with everything that I know
if you've you've always talked about paying affward for just
you know, the next wave as well. Just give me
in a nextdoe of you know what the foundation program has?
Speaker 2 (20:25):
How has it grown since since twenty ten?
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Man, we started in twenty ten, which means that this
year we'll celebrated fifteen years of work, which is longer
than I played in the league, which is when I
think about that is really mind blowing me and my mom,
she's the president of the foundation. We started in New
Orleans and expanded it to everywhere we call home.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
So that was Ohio, Columbus, Ohio, Philadelphia, where I was
at playing, and then Pitscatto in New Jersey. And you
stayed in New Jersey where I'm from and being able
to expand our programs that exist in all of these markets,
regardless if I'm there or not, servicing thousands.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Of community members.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
We just had an event in Philly a couple of
weeks ago where we fed about eight hundred families, and
you know, just to be able to have the support
from the community to expand our our reach across the
country to provide things like food, education services, financial literacy,
(21:30):
storytelling things, exposing kids to art. We do it all
like literally, all of the things that I'm doing in
my life. Journey is not just an example like hey
watch me. We're taking all of that access and pushing
it down to this next generation to let them know
that they can get these same skills, they can walk
these same paths. You don't have to be an NFL
player to do.
Speaker 3 (21:50):
The side quest. Side quests are open for everybody if you.
Speaker 4 (21:55):
Kind of take the time, breathe, analyze yourself about what
you like, what you do, don't try some things and
put yourself out there.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Absolutely just adding to the legacy for sure. You know,
I guess they'll say all these side missions.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
You know, you think about just what you've done with
the with the VC as well, that's what you make
me mad. Well, these like I feel like I got
to step my head up, Like I'm like, you know,
I can do more. I could, I could do more.
Speaker 3 (22:28):
It's definitely out there for you if you want to.
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I think that's really that's really the biggest thing. Sometimes
we feel like things aren't available to us.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (22:36):
It's like, if you don't want to do it, that's
that's all good. But if you do want to get
out here, you know, I'm looking at how everybody else
makes money, you know, because we're all.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
Like, okay, we want to grow generational wealth. And I
realized real quickly, you.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
Have generational wealth.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
No, I don't. I've got you can. We hear every
day about athletes going broke. So to say that we
have generational wealth is like, we have the potential for
generational wealth. We have a great foundation if we then
make our money work just as hard as us. But
if we don't, this money is going to run out in.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
Five to ten years. And so what I had to
do is like, okay, well who is making all of
the money in the country. Who are the richest folks?
And when you look at it. They all make that.
They're not making it in stock market.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
They make their money in venture capital, private equity, real estate,
and franchise. So I made sure I got in all
of them. And then when I built it, you know,
I didn't just want to do it for me. I'm like,
I know my peers need access to this stuff. These
are the things that we don't talk about a lot
in locker rooms, don't hear about a lot. So if
I'm a set it up for myself, I'm a creative
(23:43):
vehicle where my teammates, my peers from across the league,
across the industries can also invest with me. That's what
Broad Street Ventures is, athletes, franchise partners, and we've been
able to really build this as a community and a network,
which is the exact model that everybody else is in
this country when you talk about the top top herners.
(24:04):
But those are the things that we talk about.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Enough. Is building a team, you know, outside of the game.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Absolutely, especially now while I'm playing whatever it is, I
tell the guys, I'm like, hey, bro, like you've got
a lot of teammates and a lot of different things.
I was like, if you feel like you need to
learn something right now is the best idea.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yes, When Jimmy.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Graham was in the locker room last year, I said, Bro,
I said, you should talk to him, my man, you know,
does these amazing things off the field?
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Tap in if you got some business questions.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
You know, you know Taysom Hill before, you know, the
seven years before he got to the NFL, you know,
on a b YU route. You know, he was working
it to be in the financial district, like Bro, Like
you have it at the palm of your hands right now.
As well as being able to leverage who you are
to get into the rooms that you want to be
in after you are who you are, not.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
What's what's this? What's this?
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Helmet gets peeled back and nobody really cares about the
shield that you're not rocky anymore. You know, when you
can go from Cam jordan' the Sames player to just
Cam Jordan, you should leverage Cam Jordans football player as
hard as you can, as much as you can.
Speaker 4 (25:09):
Yeah, but also set up who Cam Jordan's gonna be afterwards,
because Cam Jordan's only gonna be a football player for fifteen, sixteen,
maybe seventeen years.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Yeah, exactly, it's Cam Jordan.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Gonna be Cam Jordan for a long time and eventually.
And I think that's what guys struggle with is when
you put all your chips into being just a football player,
when you are no longer a football player, you can't
go back on that field even if you wanted to.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
You have to thedn't answer the question to yourself who
am I? If you haven't answered that already, it will
be stressful. And this is from experience. And I had
all the things going on and I still had that
same question, like, Okay, without this game, I've said mortar
an athlete as a cliche, but now I got to
put foot the payment. Who am I? Without the games?
(25:57):
And I think what you see me doing is actively
working that out.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Absolutely. Oh shoot, Like, I ain't gonna take you too
much more of your time. I appreciate you for tapping
in with me, of course, but shout out appreciate you
for everything you are. You get being inducted into I
almost forgot being inducted to the to the Eagles Hall
of Fame November twenty eighth. You guys play Caleb Williams
and the Bears in Rome, and Doonzle.
Speaker 2 (26:21):
Said You've been even nothing but inspiration since I've met you.
I still have a favorite play back when it was
like twenty eleven or twelve, we played Tampa.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Bay and you walk down freaking the Vincent Jackson ju Yeah,
Junior d whatever it is, walked him down. You know,
we had we had the awesome goal line stop and
we like, hopefully they take because it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
You came forty yards from deep uh and then we
ended up.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
You know, didn't you make the fourth down stop on that?
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I didn't want to say there's a sequence of why
it's one of my Yeah, exactly, but appreciates you stopping
on the pod. Shout out to the Malcolm Jenkins Foundation,
the Marshallville's Kingsley, the VC Fund, the Broadstreet, the Substack,
(27:09):
it's everything that is Malcolm Jenkins, Doug.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
I appreciate you.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
I appreciate it, love brother.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
That was the Drive for Success conversation presented by Toyota.
Speaker 5 (27:17):
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Speaker 2 (27:33):
Thank you to listeners, the viewers, everybody else who taps in.
Speaker 1 (27:37):
Check us out on podcasts on the podcast on iHeartRadio app,
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the NFL's YouTube page.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
We're here, We're strong.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
I'm happy that my guy is continually succeeding off the
field as he did on the field.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
God bless peace,
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