October 29, 2025 • 27 mins
NFL legend Steve Smith Sr. joins Cam Jordan for a raw, unfiltered conversation on the latest episode of the Off the Edge with Cam Jordan podcast. The former Panthers and Ravens wideout opens up about his Hall of Fame candidacy, how he prepared for life after football, and why he wishes he enjoyed playing more. Steve also shares the colleges that doubted him, how he learned the business side of football, and what fuels his no-nonsense approach to analyzing today’s players. Plus, Cam and Steve chop it up about the Broncos’ season, Daniel Jones to the Colts, and Sam Darnold with the Seahawks — with the trademark honesty only Steve Smith Sr. can deliver.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
And here we go another episode, this time live with
Off the Edge of the podcast Me, your host, Cam Jordan.
I'm super excited. Not only do I have a pro bowler,
a guy who's been part of the lead for sixteen
years sitting beside me, who's just introduced him. Steve Smith's
senior senior. I mean, there's a junior out there. I
want one of those. I'm never gonna get one, but
I want one of those.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
His name is uh deucey mcgoosey. His name is douce,
so I call him do some mcgoosey. Okay, his uh
my full name, uh so. A lot of people always
stink more. My name is Steve right, Steve Smith. It's
not as Steve An. That's my birth name, spelled like stephen,
like it's an st e v O N n E.
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And so I saw I called him do some mcgoosey,
or in the mornings when I talked to him Steve.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Okay, Hey, my dad is Steve, and I call I
call him Esteban. That's that long come in. You know,
he got he the light skin swag to him, so
you know, you know, no if he's Puerto Rican Dominican,
Sir dooceygosey. That's that's dope.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I always wanted but but the Deuce is not Deuce. McAllister, right,
but Deuce. I wanted to deuce like Deuce Daley.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Oh okay, okay, I see what you're with there, South
Carolina guy.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I was thinking Duce because you know, no, it is
just but off of I've always loved the name Deuce.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, I've always saw.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I had in my mind if I ever have, I
got three boys, If I ever have, it'd be Deuce.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I got one boy. I was like, my my goal
was make the make the first boy his own man,
and then the second boy junior. Because I didn't you
don't want to put pressure either way. I was like,
you don't want to put pressure on but the second one.
Never got a second one boy? Three girls, hashta girl, dad,
It's real, It's super real. I'm scared you got no girls.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I got one girl. Middle child middle child syndrome.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Is the best child. It's not. I'm the oldest, ah,
so I know it's responsibility on man rather than has
that do with me middle child. So you know what
I'm saying, the perfect combo. You gotta think you got
the top who's like, oh man, he's so good, we
should try another me. Then you're like, oh man, he's
so great, we should try another sister. You know we're good.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Hey, I just want to point out if we can, uh,
camera go down. I've never really dealt with this before
because I'm fine nine and I usually have equipment in
my house. Yeah, that's up to my height. Bro, Man,
I'm over here dangling.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Got the got the Kevin Hart can't be a gangster
like this. I was dating while as they can't. They
can't respect the fourteen thousand yards. Don't matter that there's
a there's a little pills like right in there. No
I ever ate lean, I said, Man, oh wait, I
just I just thought. I thought I thought i'd tell
on myself. That's on me. It's nice though, being as high,
(03:04):
you know, it feels good. I'm just six four, you know,
Pops six five, you know brother six two change, let's
be nice. Wife is short, though she's five seven, she
claims five nine. I'm not sure that she played basketball.
So you know, they lie about the height on.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The time I was six one and Jerry College.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
That's how you push that they say Drew is if
they say they say drew By sip By is a lie?
How you five? Now you think it? No? Six? I
have lied before. It was like, no, I'm six five
like my dad. I'm not. Yeah, I'm just swore. But
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that's that's as far as my life went. I didn't
go high. I know, well I been six. Hey, no,
you know what? I have the prototype? Gosh darn, it
probably costs myself a couple of Vicks. But it's it's
all good. We're here. I'm dis worried. A lot of people.
You say your say what with shoes on back fields? Yeah? Yes,
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seven studs? All right, you got to play. I'm a
lock in. Look you were you know, you were a
finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame last year.
That's longer than that's more than a yeah. Okay, so
you know you're getting it you semi yeah at some point? Yeah.
So how does it feel to know that you've done
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enough work over sixteen years? What does that body of
work show about you? What do you want to be
remembered by?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You know, I'm not necessarily I'm not necessarily sure just
because I'm really out of place in my life right
now that I really don't feel it as much, and
every day goes by, it's becoming less and less. I'm
easing out of it, of being proven myself right, letting
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people know or telling them and so because you also
remember at the time when I was playing, I wasn't necessary.
You know, I was always told I wasn't a prototype, right,
I wasn't a prototype playing X receiver write no motion,
staceinary stand on the line of scrimmage number one.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yes, and and so I.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Just I used to like it. My maturation process mentally
has been so emotionally up and down to the point
of where I've had to do certain things and not
do certain things. Great example, Man, I didn't go to
my ten year anniversary of high school.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You were still playing.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
No, it had nothing to do it was it was
they did it in a spray in off season. You
know why I didn't go, man, because my mentals wasn't right.
I was gonna go on that thing. G wag may
call it a lost out reason, yes, and so so
now is man, when I get that call, I get
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the opportunity to go jacket. Everybody's anticipating me to sit
up there and talk nonsense, and man, that's not gonna.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Be the case.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
There is a lot of thankfulness inside of me, and
there's a part where, Man, I was just a knuckle
ahead from LA and I didn't I never thought about college.
I just wanted to play in the NFL. I just
wanted to be in a thousand yard club. And so
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now that I've been in a thousand yard club, I've
experienced it all.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Man.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
When it happens, Man, it's the book is closed on
my football career. It's been since February twel February twelve,
February second of two thousand and.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Three.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
It is the last thing on my lifetime goals that
I get the markoff.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
When you got it too.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
The NFL, Yeah, I was the NFL two thousand and one,
two thousand and three, I started a thousand yard season. No,
I get the mark off. I want to be a
Hall of Famer. So that's been my goal. So before
sports psychology became what it is, I had a sports
psychologist when I was playing really and he was a golfer.
He was a golf psychologist. So he taught me how
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to go through routine visitation, all of those things, and
so I just that was one of them. It was
by my parents a house, do this be this, be that,
all these laundry lists of things, but the number one
thing that has not been crossed off, Yeah, it's been
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a Hall of Famer and that's been my goal. So
after that happens, you know, ask him for the sun.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
That's you ready to take me? Now?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Look tagment now right, So that that's just kind of
that's where that's where I'm at. It's not uh, it's
not I told you so, I should have been here.
It's man's real. It's real humbleness and real gratitude and thankfulness.
Right man, that's you.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Wasn't expecting that absolutely, I mean I mean from you. Never.
I never. I never take anybody for what they were
as they are. Now you're supposed to you're not supposed
to be stagnant, and you're supposed to grow and evolve.
You should, hell you should, you should. Uh, somethings stay constant,
you're base of who you are. I think stay is constant.
But you as a person grow. You know, before kids,
(08:52):
I used to be in the club every every sas
Sunday after a win, and every Monday after wind and
every Tuesday. I thought about it, you know, after kids
guess what, maybe I dabble with the lounge. It's on
a Sunday and Monday. Absolutely not because the kids got
soccer and Tuesday for sure, not because my wife means
a date and I got to be there, you know,
And I've got to take care of the body. And
(09:14):
you just as you grow, you just grow you learn,
you know, And that's what the next step of life
is going is going to be about. I can't wait
till one day just be like, Hey, what you got
to do today. Well, I'm not waking up at six
to get in the hyper bearer chamber. I'm not out
by seven thirty to go to walk through the with
the defense. I'm not going before, you know, rehab before
or not. And this is all before nine o'clock. I'm
not going through seven hours of meetings, two hours of
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practice and at the end of day, I still got
to go rehab the body and then go take care
of the family and be the dad that they want
me to be and be the husband they need me be.
And also at the end night before I go to sleep,
turn on tape and you look up and you're like, Dan,
it's eleven, Like I was tired two hours ago. You know, like,
I'll look forward to that, but that's it was. But
while you're in it, I look forward to it. I
didn't look forward to those I like because I know
(09:57):
that separates me from everybody else. Stay t tuned, we'll
be right back. You say you don't look for to
those works, but you, bro, you have like four podcasts going, right,
you gotta check out that. You gotta check out the tape.
You gotta go ironed out, right, and then you gotta
eighty nine show and then you gotta uh, I.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Don't know, I forgot.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah. So for a man who says I wi't afford
to it, you've got enough work.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Well yeah, I mean I'm gonna have work just because
you know, I played in the league, uh. And I
realized very early on in the league what it was
in playing in the league was a financial tool to
give me an opportunity to take my sweet time on
what the next phase of my life looks like. And
(10:49):
I just took my time. But also in my off
season during the season, I got accused of having a
d D because I was always trying to do something.
I took an intership with Morgan Saty for two years.
I tried to get on with ups, they said no.
Tried to get on with FedEx, they said no. At
the time I tried. Living in Charlotte, North Carolina, I
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tried to purchase and own a Chick fil A and
realize that philosophy. And so it's just there was a
lot of things that I dabbled in just to see
because I was afforded. The shield afforded me an opportunity
to see. And I said, you know what, well, I
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got my legs with me. Let's see right, let's absolute.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And so I just did all that, and.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You know, and I learned a lot, you know, for
me in school growing up, I didn't pay attention as
much as I wished I had. But I've had some
great mentors around me. And so I don't have the
master's degree, don't have the doctor, but what I do
have is full blown experience on how running business, how
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to manage employees and all that stuff. So, you know,
that's that's that's the luxury I've had and it's been awesome,
and I got some great people that are teaching me
and I'm flourishing now forty six years old and doing
pretty good. You know, commercial do commercial real estate, do
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residential real estate, and it's good tea all.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
That, and then you still tune into football, so.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
You football is Football for me is fun though, but
because I've been around it so long and going to
school at the University of Utah, we weren't known for
having top athletes and been playing against yes then and
playing against top athletes because it used to be the
Mountain West. So we're playing air Force, We're playing Wyoming,
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and I don't care what you say about Wyoming. Josh
Josh Allen put on the map, but they still wire
on me, okay, and then after he left, they fell
off the map. Yeah, yeah, so U n l V
New Mexico State, you know. So just experiencing all lot
I knew very quickly at the University of Utah, and
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the guy that recruited me, Fred Graves.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Was very instrumental in making sure that I understood football,
that I if I was going to make it to
the league, that I wasn't going to be taught in
the league how to read coverage just I knew how
to read coverage just and when I got to the league,
I just had to adapt to the different names. Right
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cover two started to be covered because I was in
the Old West Coast my rookie year, so cover five,
cover seven, like, ain't no such thing as how do
you break field in the step? Yeah so, but uh,
and I learned very quickly. I had all the physical attributes,
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but I had to understand and have my shoulders and
above to exceed my physical attributes because I knew that
at some point that was gonna leave me, right, and
I didn't plan on playing very long.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I didn't think I was gonna make it a financial tool.
Sixteen years later, you loved it? No, no, no, you
don't understand.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I thought i'd be kicked out of the league by
my six or seventh year. Berfy, No, bro, I was
just knuckleheads.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, we said the seat, Yeah, you know everything you
got every play.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Cali guys.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, hey yeah, I'll say as you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Cali guys.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You know so, but you know you went to Utah.
You still root for your your California colleges like I
went to Cal Berkeley, right, I still root for ASU. Okay,
as long as they're not playing Cal where I still clean? Oh,
Arizona products, how about that? Because I I was like, oh, yeah,
of course they supposed to win because so USC didn't
recruit me, so I was too small. San Diego State
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said I was too small. That's why I murked San
Diego State when I played them, and State had the nerve. Yeah,
yeah marked him. I had like.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Three catchers for one hundred and fifty hell of a clip, Yeah,
fifty ball to tell you all right, who else?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Hawaii? They didn't, They didn't want me.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And Chad got to Oregon State, but I didn't because
they just I actually said I didn't want to go
play uh at Oregon, stay with Chad uh so with
the Utah.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, because I wanted to be number one. Yeah, Okay,
are you saying it's not competitive but it's overly competitive?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Oh, I'm definitely competitive.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah. You said you saw football is a financial tools.
No I did.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
No, I did see football as a financial tool, right,
not in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
It doesn't take away from the competitive part, No, it does.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
But I did learn about football and the business of football,
and so I use that that that's always at the
forefront of my mind that this is a business. This
this media game is a straight business. And if you
don't understand it, you're playing checkers, but you get paid
by playing chess.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Absolutely, you stay in the league longer by playoff chess.
Look you understand, oh okay, this is my role. And
whether that's veteran leadership role, whether that's star player role,
whether that's special teams player role, everybody has a role.
You have to figure out your niche to stay your niche.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well, the other part who remembers Bobby Fisher the checkers player,
chess the chess player. The movie is about Bobby Fisher
for the chess the mental aspect of it. So for me,
it's always been I've always thoughted things. I'm very curious
and I've always thought of things, overthinking and just looking
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at it very distracting different.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Okay, I would say, so you know, now that you're
outside of football your analyst role, do you do you
look at it like you're like, what would you do
if you're a player, or you sort of take yourself
out of it. I try to take myself out of it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
But what I do do is when I see a
wi receiver, if I see a receiver flinch or I
see some tendencies, If I see a wide receiver that's
constantly catching the ball with his chest. I remember what
that was like, I remember why I did that. Yes,
and so I utilize my experience and knowing why that
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guy doesn't. Now, that guy may not like that I'm
saying that, but it's the truth. And so that's that's
the balance where sometimes it gets a little fuzzy. Yeah,
but I I really say, Okay, when I was there
and I didn't catch the ball on my hands because
I was I was a hands catcher.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
But when I when.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I have some rockiness, when I when I got chuck
a little bit right, especially in the office, I was in. Man,
it's third down, third and fifteen. You know it's a
drop back.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I'm running deep over the middle, right, say, if you
come over the top, safety coming over top, I'm gonna
get hit with the ball.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So I got to decide do I got to get
hit with the ball or without the ball, because either
way you getting that. And so I'm going, man, I
know what's going on. I know what's happening. I gotta
be able to know and figure out. So I just
always thought about things and just in a different way.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
So off cameras, we talked about keeping up something like
memorabilia from you know, your career. What is something that
you wish you would have kept and what is something
that you still have?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
So something I wish I would have been involved in more.
If you probably won't, but if you ever watched television
or sometimes with the Carolina Panthers when you're playing out
there and they'll show back in the day. Two thousand
and three, when we went to the Super Bowl, we
won the NFC championship game in Philadelphia. Man, I was
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so pissed at that game because I was thinking about
the next phase. I'm like, Bro, this the kind of
offense we running, We're gonna lose the game. I never
held the trophy because I was so pissed.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I didn't even want to be on that.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
And now looking back, I go, Bro, you should have
the NFL. Me going to the NFL was like you know,
in California, Pcach Highway PCAA highway starts at Santa Monica
all the way up to no like northern California, California.
NFL was my pch and I wish I would have.
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I was driving a nice car, the NFL convertible, and
you know what I never did, never looked at that
at the cliff side and received a little bro I
never I never put the rag top down, and I
never stopped and watch the sunset. So I just wish
I would have enjoyed it more, right, And so that's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
What did you keep that you're proud that you kept?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And I kept you know, I kept my shoulder pads,
kept my helmet. I got both my helmets for both teams.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Man.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I you know, I kept selling my footballs that I
didn't give away or give the family members or friends.
But the biggest thing I think that why I kept
some of it, man, is it's kind of cool as
my kids are older, Yeah, how much they value it
and some of the stuff that I gave giving them.
But one of the coolest things I have is, uh
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have two pictures.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
One of them is me.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
At training camp and I'm holding my daughter. And my
daughter's twenty three. Now, she will never be that small,
but that's how I see her.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
So I got that picture blown up and it's a
color picture, but I gotta blown up into black and white,
and she's in color and it's highlighting her.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
There goes my baby. Yeah. So uh so that that
that's I don't know. I'm not ready for the old kids.
I'm not ready for those problems. I need my kids
to say kids, I can't. I got three girls. I'm scared.
They gonna grow up no matter what, man, and that's'm
gonna stay. I'm gonna stay about two seventy when I retire.
I'm jad gonna be lean me. I got a lot
of fights in front of me. No, no, I don't
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need no jazz. Just the thingers, just one or two. Hey.
But that being said, look, I know, I know you.
You got that time to go? Did you? Did you
check out the thirty three points by Denver scored in
the fourth quarter?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Just the Giants? Yes? How does it happen? About playing prehistoric? Historic?
So here's the here's the conservative play for sure, here's.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
The here's the thing that's really interesting about that. When
you look at Denver, that's remarkable and it's gonna be
talked about for ages. However, it's gonna be short lived
because Denver is a team that is doing a little
bit too much in the past game, putting too much
on their young quarterback that can style. You know, he's
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almost your age, I know, but experience though, experience wise,
experience wise, I believe it's gonna stymy him because you
know Sean Payton, he is really smart. He's also stuck
in his ways definitely, and I personally, my humble opinion
is things are starting too. They're putting more on his
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plate and it's impact in the offense. They're not running
football like they should. They're constantly and doing a lot
of razzle dazzle yep, and man, he's just gotta sometimes
uncompls k football and headed off to the dude that
who's a running back?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Right? Hm me, that's that's true. That's true too. And
it was giants. Is not like they came back against
really having two eagles or you know.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
But had a thirty three, a thirty three pointer heads
thirty three and you hold on. You scored thirty three
points in in fifteen minutes and he ain't done nothing
for the first three or first forty five. Then that thing, yes,
whatever it was, but that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
That that is I love football like any given sunday
like this, and that's probably they can make a football
player seem delusional because you can feel like you could
win any and every game. Yeah, because it's possible. You
see Super Bowl Atlanta Falcons Patriots twenty twenty four to three. Yeah,
and all of a sudden you're like, oh, this game's over. No,
it ain't. You see those finsters for the coaches.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Hey, they started for it prevot, Yeah, I prevent for
your they start.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Tearing you off.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Hey, man, That's the one thing as an analyst I
look back. I wish I'd have had the opportunity to
do a little bit of TV work before I play,
because it's.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Really shut yourself outside the game.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It made me see the game as a business. They're
not as my dream.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
So you know, when you don't catch your pass, you
don't get the opportunity to line up where you want to.
You're mad about you a you mad at the person
who didn't assign you your opportunity. Man, Now, sit back
and I understand the complexity, but also the nonsense that
goes on. How a guy who's drafted gets more opportunity
than a guy that's not. But the guy is not, Hey,
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they can't give him a chance because they're now on
the scout or whoever stood on the table for this
kid is looking like a before. So it's a lot
there's a lot of complications going through that. I just
I'm like, It's made me a lot of times when
I'm sitting on camera or I'm sitting in a studio
and I'll say something right before I said, you'll see
me snicker because now I'm dialing back.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Keep seeing it. Yeah, I'm seeing it. But I'm really going, man,
there's some bull Jesus happening, and what you should play
him because he's clearly more or because he's proven. But
you got this young bud that you just invested a
first round or you just paid or I'll give.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
You another example. So you know how Daniel Jones is
playing for the Colts.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, but if you listen to all that, they said,
the reason he he went to the Colts is because
it was the it was a sure legitimate shot to start,
opportunity for competition Versus most teams.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
They're not bringing in a veteran to compete. They're bringing
in a veteran to help this young fellow with his mind.
And so that's why Daniel didn't didn't take the opportunity
to stay in Minnesota, right, Jajon McCarthy, Yeah, and then
and and and Sam Donald didn't play well. But Kevin
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O'Connell fired Sam at the podium. He was like, yeah,
he cham just didn't play good enough. We go on
with JJ you remember, and it was like, wow.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Look at that logan right Nowold Sam looking decent over Seattle.
Decent Sam looking decent. You know, that's the word one
to use. They're also highly powered Jackson Instnership Shift and Joe.
I'm not sure how to say his name. He's a
dog who ja that's well, who's throwing it to him? Sam?
I said, okay, better than Damns. Jadam is not throwing
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it to Sam out there dropping dying. No, I'm still
stuck on Sam from the Jets and that's me. So
when I say good, no, you're really just tainted. Yeah.
But just like Geno Smith had his run back after
he let the Jets, it might just be the Jets anyway.
That's another conversation. Thank you so much for coming on
the podcast. This is off the Edge of Cam Jordan.
I'm yours. I had another questions, but we got to
do Rail because this man is such a legend in
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the game as well as off the field. I want
to talk about his foundation, how I got inspired back
in the gap when he was out there giving hundreds,
if not thousands of pairs of shoes, because that's the
man he was when he was with Carolina Panthers. I said, hey,
if he can impact his city, why can't I do more.
It's just look at one of those things. You look out.
You see so many people do it so good, so
off that I meant to say, commendable efforts that you do.
I don't be in the Hall of fame because it's
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those stories where it's like, man, they always thought he
was undersized. I love those those scrap fights. That's why
I probably looked up to John Randall back to the
de because they called him John. They used to call
him undersize. He was a menace and he still is. Yeah,
he is hous want to say golf and hit a
stoke bro? He is Larry, That's what Dolly all right?
So you know so either way, this is off the edge.
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Cam Jordan as your host with my podcast. You can
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It's rare to do so love when we are. It's
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And here we go another episode, this time live with
Off the Edge of the podcast Me, your host, Cam Jordan.
I'm super excited. Not only do I have a pro bowler,
a guy who's been part of the lead for sixteen
years sitting beside me, who's just introduced him. Steve Smith's
senior senior. I mean, there's a junior out there. I
want one of those. I'm never gonna get one, but
I want one of those.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
His name is uh deucey mcgoosey. His name is douce,
so I call him do some mcgoosey. Okay, his uh
my full name, uh so. A lot of people always
stink more. My name is Steve right, Steve Smith. It's
not as Steve An. That's my birth name, spelled like stephen,
like it's an st e v O N n E.
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And so I saw I called him do some mcgoosey,
or in the mornings when I talked to him Steve.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Okay, Hey, my dad is Steve, and I call I
call him Esteban. That's that long come in. You know,
he got he the light skin swag to him, so
you know, you know, no if he's Puerto Rican Dominican,
Sir dooceygosey. That's that's dope.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
I always wanted but but the Deuce is not Deuce. McAllister, right,
but Deuce. I wanted to deuce like Deuce Daley.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Oh okay, okay, I see what you're with there, South
Carolina guy.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I was thinking Duce because you know, no, it is
just but off of I've always loved the name Deuce.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, I've always saw.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
I had in my mind if I ever have, I
got three boys, If I ever have, it'd be Deuce.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
I got one boy. I was like, my my goal
was make the make the first boy his own man,
and then the second boy junior. Because I didn't you
don't want to put pressure either way. I was like,
you don't want to put pressure on but the second one.
Never got a second one boy? Three girls, hashta girl, dad,
It's real, It's super real. I'm scared you got no girls.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
I got one girl. Middle child middle child syndrome.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Is the best child. It's not. I'm the oldest, ah,
so I know it's responsibility on man rather than has
that do with me middle child. So you know what
I'm saying, the perfect combo. You gotta think you got
the top who's like, oh man, he's so good, we
should try another me. Then you're like, oh man, he's
so great, we should try another sister. You know we're good.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Hey, I just want to point out if we can, uh,
camera go down. I've never really dealt with this before
because I'm fine nine and I usually have equipment in
my house. Yeah, that's up to my height. Bro, Man,
I'm over here dangling.
Speaker 1 (02:40):
Got the got the Kevin Hart can't be a gangster
like this. I was dating while as they can't. They
can't respect the fourteen thousand yards. Don't matter that there's
a there's a little pills like right in there. No
I ever ate lean, I said, Man, oh wait, I
just I just thought. I thought I thought i'd tell
on myself. That's on me. It's nice though, being as high,
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you know, it feels good. I'm just six four, you know,
Pops six five, you know brother six two change, let's
be nice. Wife is short, though she's five seven, she
claims five nine. I'm not sure that she played basketball.
So you know, they lie about the height on.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The time I was six one and Jerry College.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
That's how you push that they say Drew is if
they say they say drew By sip By is a lie?
How you five? Now you think it? No? Six? I
have lied before. It was like, no, I'm six five
like my dad. I'm not. Yeah, I'm just swore. But
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that's that's as far as my life went. I didn't
go high. I know, well I been six. Hey, no,
you know what? I have the prototype? Gosh darn, it
probably costs myself a couple of Vicks. But it's it's
all good. We're here. I'm dis worried. A lot of people.
You say your say what with shoes on back fields? Yeah? Yes,
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seven studs? All right, you got to play. I'm a
lock in. Look you were you know, you were a
finalist for the Pro Football Hall of Fame last year.
That's longer than that's more than a yeah. Okay, so
you know you're getting it you semi yeah at some point? Yeah.
So how does it feel to know that you've done
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enough work over sixteen years? What does that body of
work show about you? What do you want to be
remembered by?
Speaker 2 (04:34):
You know, I'm not necessarily I'm not necessarily sure just
because I'm really out of place in my life right
now that I really don't feel it as much, and
every day goes by, it's becoming less and less. I'm
easing out of it, of being proven myself right, letting
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people know or telling them and so because you also
remember at the time when I was playing, I wasn't necessary.
You know, I was always told I wasn't a prototype, right,
I wasn't a prototype playing X receiver write no motion,
staceinary stand on the line of scrimmage number one.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yes, and and so I.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Just I used to like it. My maturation process mentally
has been so emotionally up and down to the point
of where I've had to do certain things and not
do certain things. Great example, Man, I didn't go to
my ten year anniversary of high school.
Speaker 1 (05:43):
You were still playing.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
No, it had nothing to do it was it was
they did it in a spray in off season. You
know why I didn't go, man, because my mentals wasn't right.
I was gonna go on that thing. G wag may
call it a lost out reason, yes, and so so
now is man, when I get that call, I get
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the opportunity to go jacket. Everybody's anticipating me to sit
up there and talk nonsense, and man, that's not gonna.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Be the case.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
There is a lot of thankfulness inside of me, and
there's a part where, Man, I was just a knuckle
ahead from LA and I didn't I never thought about college.
I just wanted to play in the NFL. I just
wanted to be in a thousand yard club. And so
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now that I've been in a thousand yard club, I've
experienced it all.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Man.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
When it happens, Man, it's the book is closed on
my football career. It's been since February twel February twelve,
February second of two thousand and.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Three.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
It is the last thing on my lifetime goals that
I get the markoff.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
When you got it too.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
The NFL, Yeah, I was the NFL two thousand and one,
two thousand and three, I started a thousand yard season. No,
I get the mark off. I want to be a
Hall of Famer. So that's been my goal. So before
sports psychology became what it is, I had a sports
psychologist when I was playing really and he was a golfer.
He was a golf psychologist. So he taught me how
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to go through routine visitation, all of those things, and
so I just that was one of them. It was
by my parents a house, do this be this, be that,
all these laundry lists of things, but the number one
thing that has not been crossed off, Yeah, it's been
(08:01):
a Hall of Famer and that's been my goal. So
after that happens, you know, ask him for the sun.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
That's you ready to take me? Now?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Look tagment now right, So that that's just kind of
that's where that's where I'm at. It's not uh, it's
not I told you so, I should have been here.
It's man's real. It's real humbleness and real gratitude and thankfulness.
Right man, that's you.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Wasn't expecting that absolutely, I mean I mean from you. Never.
I never. I never take anybody for what they were
as they are. Now you're supposed to you're not supposed
to be stagnant, and you're supposed to grow and evolve.
You should, hell you should, you should. Uh, somethings stay constant,
you're base of who you are. I think stay is constant.
But you as a person grow. You know, before kids,
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I used to be in the club every every sas
Sunday after a win, and every Monday after wind and
every Tuesday. I thought about it, you know, after kids
guess what, maybe I dabble with the lounge. It's on
a Sunday and Monday. Absolutely not because the kids got
soccer and Tuesday for sure, not because my wife means
a date and I got to be there, you know,
And I've got to take care of the body. And
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you just as you grow, you just grow you learn,
you know, And that's what the next step of life
is going is going to be about. I can't wait
till one day just be like, Hey, what you got
to do today. Well, I'm not waking up at six
to get in the hyper bearer chamber. I'm not out
by seven thirty to go to walk through the with
the defense. I'm not going before, you know, rehab before
or not. And this is all before nine o'clock. I'm
not going through seven hours of meetings, two hours of
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practice and at the end of day, I still got
to go rehab the body and then go take care
of the family and be the dad that they want
me to be and be the husband they need me be.
And also at the end night before I go to sleep,
turn on tape and you look up and you're like, Dan,
it's eleven, Like I was tired two hours ago. You know, like,
I'll look forward to that, but that's it was. But
while you're in it, I look forward to it. I
didn't look forward to those I like because I know
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that separates me from everybody else. Stay t tuned, we'll
be right back. You say you don't look for to
those works, but you, bro, you have like four podcasts going, right,
you gotta check out that. You gotta check out the tape.
You gotta go ironed out, right, and then you gotta
eighty nine show and then you gotta uh, I.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Don't know, I forgot.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Yeah. So for a man who says I wi't afford
to it, you've got enough work.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Well yeah, I mean I'm gonna have work just because
you know, I played in the league, uh. And I
realized very early on in the league what it was
in playing in the league was a financial tool to
give me an opportunity to take my sweet time on
what the next phase of my life looks like. And
(10:49):
I just took my time. But also in my off
season during the season, I got accused of having a
d D because I was always trying to do something.
I took an intership with Morgan Saty for two years.
I tried to get on with ups, they said no.
Tried to get on with FedEx, they said no. At
the time I tried. Living in Charlotte, North Carolina, I
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tried to purchase and own a Chick fil A and
realize that philosophy. And so it's just there was a
lot of things that I dabbled in just to see
because I was afforded. The shield afforded me an opportunity
to see. And I said, you know what, well, I
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got my legs with me. Let's see right, let's absolute.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
And so I just did all that, and.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
You know, and I learned a lot, you know, for
me in school growing up, I didn't pay attention as
much as I wished I had. But I've had some
great mentors around me. And so I don't have the
master's degree, don't have the doctor, but what I do
have is full blown experience on how running business, how
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to manage employees and all that stuff. So, you know,
that's that's that's the luxury I've had and it's been awesome,
and I got some great people that are teaching me
and I'm flourishing now forty six years old and doing
pretty good. You know, commercial do commercial real estate, do
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residential real estate, and it's good tea all.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
That, and then you still tune into football, so.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
You football is Football for me is fun though, but
because I've been around it so long and going to
school at the University of Utah, we weren't known for
having top athletes and been playing against yes then and
playing against top athletes because it used to be the
Mountain West. So we're playing air Force, We're playing Wyoming,
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and I don't care what you say about Wyoming. Josh
Josh Allen put on the map, but they still wire
on me, okay, and then after he left, they fell
off the map. Yeah, yeah, so U n l V
New Mexico State, you know. So just experiencing all lot
I knew very quickly at the University of Utah, and
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the guy that recruited me, Fred Graves.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Was very instrumental in making sure that I understood football,
that I if I was going to make it to
the league, that I wasn't going to be taught in
the league how to read coverage just I knew how
to read coverage just and when I got to the league,
I just had to adapt to the different names. Right
(13:41):
cover two started to be covered because I was in
the Old West Coast my rookie year, so cover five,
cover seven, like, ain't no such thing as how do
you break field in the step? Yeah so, but uh,
and I learned very quickly. I had all the physical attributes,
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but I had to understand and have my shoulders and
above to exceed my physical attributes because I knew that
at some point that was gonna leave me, right, and
I didn't plan on playing very long.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I didn't think I was gonna make it a financial tool.
Sixteen years later, you loved it? No, no, no, you
don't understand.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
I thought i'd be kicked out of the league by
my six or seventh year. Berfy, No, bro, I was
just knuckleheads.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Yeah, we said the seat, Yeah, you know everything you
got every play.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Cali guys.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Yeah, hey yeah, I'll say as you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Cali guys.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
You know so, but you know you went to Utah.
You still root for your your California colleges like I
went to Cal Berkeley, right, I still root for ASU. Okay,
as long as they're not playing Cal where I still clean? Oh,
Arizona products, how about that? Because I I was like, oh, yeah,
of course they supposed to win because so USC didn't
recruit me, so I was too small. San Diego State
(15:06):
said I was too small. That's why I murked San
Diego State when I played them, and State had the nerve. Yeah,
yeah marked him. I had like.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Three catchers for one hundred and fifty hell of a clip, Yeah,
fifty ball to tell you all right, who else?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
Hawaii? They didn't, They didn't want me.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
And Chad got to Oregon State, but I didn't because
they just I actually said I didn't want to go
play uh at Oregon, stay with Chad uh so with
the Utah.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah, because I wanted to be number one. Yeah, Okay,
are you saying it's not competitive but it's overly competitive?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Oh, I'm definitely competitive.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
Yeah. You said you saw football is a financial tools.
No I did.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
No, I did see football as a financial tool, right,
not in the beginning.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
It doesn't take away from the competitive part, No, it does.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
But I did learn about football and the business of football,
and so I use that that that's always at the
forefront of my mind that this is a business. This
this media game is a straight business. And if you
don't understand it, you're playing checkers, but you get paid
by playing chess.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Absolutely, you stay in the league longer by playoff chess.
Look you understand, oh okay, this is my role. And
whether that's veteran leadership role, whether that's star player role,
whether that's special teams player role, everybody has a role.
You have to figure out your niche to stay your niche.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Well, the other part who remembers Bobby Fisher the checkers player,
chess the chess player. The movie is about Bobby Fisher
for the chess the mental aspect of it. So for me,
it's always been I've always thoughted things. I'm very curious
and I've always thought of things, overthinking and just looking
(16:59):
at it very distracting different.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Okay, I would say, so you know, now that you're
outside of football your analyst role, do you do you
look at it like you're like, what would you do
if you're a player, or you sort of take yourself
out of it. I try to take myself out of it.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
But what I do do is when I see a
wi receiver, if I see a receiver flinch or I
see some tendencies, If I see a wide receiver that's
constantly catching the ball with his chest. I remember what
that was like, I remember why I did that. Yes,
and so I utilize my experience and knowing why that
(17:37):
guy doesn't. Now, that guy may not like that I'm
saying that, but it's the truth. And so that's that's
the balance where sometimes it gets a little fuzzy. Yeah,
but I I really say, Okay, when I was there
and I didn't catch the ball on my hands because
I was I was a hands catcher.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
But when I when.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I have some rockiness, when I when I got chuck
a little bit right, especially in the office, I was in. Man,
it's third down, third and fifteen. You know it's a
drop back.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I'm running deep over the middle, right, say, if you
come over the top, safety coming over top, I'm gonna
get hit with the ball.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
So I got to decide do I got to get
hit with the ball or without the ball, because either
way you getting that. And so I'm going, man, I
know what's going on. I know what's happening. I gotta
be able to know and figure out. So I just
always thought about things and just in a different way.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
So off cameras, we talked about keeping up something like
memorabilia from you know, your career. What is something that
you wish you would have kept and what is something
that you still have?
Speaker 2 (18:53):
So something I wish I would have been involved in more.
If you probably won't, but if you ever watched television
or sometimes with the Carolina Panthers when you're playing out
there and they'll show back in the day. Two thousand
and three, when we went to the Super Bowl, we
won the NFC championship game in Philadelphia. Man, I was
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so pissed at that game because I was thinking about
the next phase. I'm like, Bro, this the kind of
offense we running, We're gonna lose the game. I never
held the trophy because I was so pissed.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I didn't even want to be on that.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
And now looking back, I go, Bro, you should have
the NFL. Me going to the NFL was like you know,
in California, Pcach Highway PCAA highway starts at Santa Monica
all the way up to no like northern California, California.
NFL was my pch and I wish I would have.
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I was driving a nice car, the NFL convertible, and
you know what I never did, never looked at that
at the cliff side and received a little bro I
never I never put the rag top down, and I
never stopped and watch the sunset. So I just wish
I would have enjoyed it more, right, And so that's
the thing.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
What did you keep that you're proud that you kept?
Speaker 2 (20:22):
And I kept you know, I kept my shoulder pads,
kept my helmet. I got both my helmets for both teams.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Man.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
I you know, I kept selling my footballs that I
didn't give away or give the family members or friends.
But the biggest thing I think that why I kept
some of it, man, is it's kind of cool as
my kids are older, Yeah, how much they value it
and some of the stuff that I gave giving them.
But one of the coolest things I have is, uh
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have two pictures.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
One of them is me.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
At training camp and I'm holding my daughter. And my
daughter's twenty three. Now, she will never be that small,
but that's how I see her.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
So I got that picture blown up and it's a
color picture, but I gotta blown up into black and white,
and she's in color and it's highlighting her.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
There goes my baby. Yeah. So uh so that that
that's I don't know. I'm not ready for the old kids.
I'm not ready for those problems. I need my kids
to say kids, I can't. I got three girls. I'm scared.
They gonna grow up no matter what, man, and that's'm
gonna stay. I'm gonna stay about two seventy when I retire.
I'm jad gonna be lean me. I got a lot
of fights in front of me. No, no, I don't
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need no jazz. Just the thingers, just one or two. Hey.
But that being said, look, I know, I know you.
You got that time to go? Did you? Did you
check out the thirty three points by Denver scored in
the fourth quarter?
Speaker 3 (21:56):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Just the Giants? Yes? How does it happen? About playing prehistoric? Historic?
So here's the here's the conservative play for sure, here's.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
The here's the thing that's really interesting about that. When
you look at Denver, that's remarkable and it's gonna be
talked about for ages. However, it's gonna be short lived
because Denver is a team that is doing a little
bit too much in the past game, putting too much
on their young quarterback that can style. You know, he's
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almost your age, I know, but experience though, experience wise,
experience wise, I believe it's gonna stymy him because you
know Sean Payton, he is really smart. He's also stuck
in his ways definitely, and I personally, my humble opinion
is things are starting too. They're putting more on his
(22:48):
plate and it's impact in the offense. They're not running
football like they should. They're constantly and doing a lot
of razzle dazzle yep, and man, he's just gotta sometimes
uncompls k football and headed off to the dude that
who's a running back?
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Right? Hm me, that's that's true. That's true too. And
it was giants. Is not like they came back against
really having two eagles or you know.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
But had a thirty three, a thirty three pointer heads
thirty three and you hold on. You scored thirty three
points in in fifteen minutes and he ain't done nothing
for the first three or first forty five. Then that thing, yes,
whatever it was, but that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
That that is I love football like any given sunday
like this, and that's probably they can make a football
player seem delusional because you can feel like you could
win any and every game. Yeah, because it's possible. You
see Super Bowl Atlanta Falcons Patriots twenty twenty four to three. Yeah,
and all of a sudden you're like, oh, this game's over. No,
it ain't. You see those finsters for the coaches.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Hey, they started for it prevot, Yeah, I prevent for
your they start.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
Tearing you off.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Hey, man, That's the one thing as an analyst I
look back. I wish I'd have had the opportunity to
do a little bit of TV work before I play,
because it's.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Really shut yourself outside the game.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It made me see the game as a business. They're
not as my dream.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Right.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
So you know, when you don't catch your pass, you
don't get the opportunity to line up where you want to.
You're mad about you a you mad at the person
who didn't assign you your opportunity. Man, Now, sit back
and I understand the complexity, but also the nonsense that
goes on. How a guy who's drafted gets more opportunity
than a guy that's not. But the guy is not, Hey,
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they can't give him a chance because they're now on
the scout or whoever stood on the table for this
kid is looking like a before. So it's a lot
there's a lot of complications going through that. I just
I'm like, It's made me a lot of times when
I'm sitting on camera or I'm sitting in a studio
and I'll say something right before I said, you'll see
me snicker because now I'm dialing back.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Keep seeing it. Yeah, I'm seeing it. But I'm really going, man,
there's some bull Jesus happening, and what you should play
him because he's clearly more or because he's proven. But
you got this young bud that you just invested a
first round or you just paid or I'll give.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
You another example. So you know how Daniel Jones is
playing for the Colts.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
Yeah, but if you listen to all that, they said,
the reason he he went to the Colts is because
it was the it was a sure legitimate shot to start,
opportunity for competition Versus most teams.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
They're not bringing in a veteran to compete. They're bringing
in a veteran to help this young fellow with his mind.
And so that's why Daniel didn't didn't take the opportunity
to stay in Minnesota, right, Jajon McCarthy, Yeah, and then
and and and Sam Donald didn't play well. But Kevin
(26:00):
O'Connell fired Sam at the podium. He was like, yeah,
he cham just didn't play good enough. We go on
with JJ you remember, and it was like, wow.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Look at that logan right Nowold Sam looking decent over Seattle.
Decent Sam looking decent. You know, that's the word one
to use. They're also highly powered Jackson Instnership Shift and Joe.
I'm not sure how to say his name. He's a
dog who ja that's well, who's throwing it to him? Sam?
I said, okay, better than Damns. Jadam is not throwing
(26:31):
it to Sam out there dropping dying. No, I'm still
stuck on Sam from the Jets and that's me. So
when I say good, no, you're really just tainted. Yeah.
But just like Geno Smith had his run back after
he let the Jets, it might just be the Jets anyway.
That's another conversation. Thank you so much for coming on
the podcast. This is off the Edge of Cam Jordan.
I'm yours. I had another questions, but we got to
do Rail because this man is such a legend in
(26:52):
the game as well as off the field. I want
to talk about his foundation, how I got inspired back
in the gap when he was out there giving hundreds,
if not thousands of pairs of shoes, because that's the
man he was when he was with Carolina Panthers. I said, hey,
if he can impact his city, why can't I do more.
It's just look at one of those things. You look out.
You see so many people do it so good, so
off that I meant to say, commendable efforts that you do.
I don't be in the Hall of fame because it's
(27:14):
those stories where it's like, man, they always thought he
was undersized. I love those those scrap fights. That's why
I probably looked up to John Randall back to the
de because they called him John. They used to call
him undersize. He was a menace and he still is. Yeah,
he is hous want to say golf and hit a
stoke bro? He is Larry, That's what Dolly all right?
So you know so either way, this is off the edge.
(27:34):
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