March 25, 2021 • 43 mins
The Bills general manager takes time from his Pro Day circuit to break bread with Steve and Jim. Beane discusses a rule change the Bills will propose next week at the owners meeting which could drastically impact the head coach hiring process (00:26). Beane gives a hint of what a contract extension for his franchise quarterback Josh Allen could look like...and it has something to do with Cam Newton (26:03). Taking Allen with the 7th-overall pick in the 2018 Draft was a gamble, and Beane explains what he saw in Allen that made him do it (13:59). Beane gave Allen a big-time weapon in Stefon Diggs, and he gives us the evolution of how that trade went down (16:15). And, Beane tells us how he’s stiff-arming the snacks in his quest to win the Bills “Biggest Loser Challenge” (31:09). Plus, Steve and Jim say Ndamukong Suh is the “contract king” (00:44).
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's up everybody. This is Charles Woodson Man and you
are listening to the Huddle and Flow Podcast. And we
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are back for another edition of the Huddle and Flow Podcast.
I am Steve White with my dude Jim Trotter. We
are two thirds of the Howard University mob our producer
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Quick Books and Mint and Jim. It looks like in
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Dominicansu continues to win at football contract life, as he
just signed another one year deal nine million dollars for
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. This guy, I mean he he
wanted to begin and now he's winning at the end.
When it comes to getting paid among non quarterback Steve,
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this is the contract guru man. He has gotten paid
every step of the way. He was fortunate enough to
get in before a rookie way scale came in. He
had a rookie contract that was structured in such a
way that he was gonna get paid again in that
second contract if he performed, which he did, and now
he's still getting paid on the back end of this
thing while winning super Bowls. So props to him. Man,
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he's he's done it the right way in terms of
making his money and taking care of it. The other
thing with him that's really interesting. I'll say this too, Steve.
When you talk to people around him, they think his
second career in terms of when he leaves football, is
going to be even better than what it was in football,
both from a production standpoint and from a financial standpoint.
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So as you say, and Domincan, Sue was winning on
all levels and Jimmys you know, if you talking, he's
one of the most brilliant guys in the NFL. I
mean he is. He is like a scholar every time
he come. I know he's got the surly image and
everything like that, but he's a real one. I mean,
I really enjoy our conversations and speaking of like offseason
moves and things like that. We will be joined very
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soon by Bills general manager Brandon Bean. The Bills have
made some subtle, some subtle moves, but some good ones.
Getting Emmanuel Sanders, They're gett a backup and Mitch Trabiskie.
I mean, can Brian day Ball give him a second
shot at life, kind of like we saw him get
the bump out of Josh Allen in year three. So
that'll be interesting. So we'll talk to Brandon about those moves.
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Two is is the a f C East they're still
the team to beat despite the spending for you by
the New England Patriots. Yeah, I would have to agree
with that. I mean, New England has done some things
that obviously put them right back in the mix. But
for me, as we all know, it's a quarterback driven
league and it comes down to the quarterback. And if
you're asking me who I have more faith in Josh
Allen or Cam Newton at this point, hands down, I
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have more faith than Josh Allen and what the Bills
have done. So that's why I continue to say I
believe Buffalo is still the front runner in the NFC East,
but that division is gonna beat up on each other
as we go forward. You know, the Dolphins are on
the come. We know New England's gonna be um coming
back from this. I mean, hell, they won seven games
last year with everything that went on, which you know,
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some might say it was one of Bill's better coaching
jobs to get to seven wins, so um New York.
We're gonna see what moves they make as we go
forward here in terms of acquiring personnel. Are they gonna
move Sam Donald, acquire draft picks, try and build that way.
We don't know yet, but you have to believe Robert
Salo is going to have that team, you know, playing
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the right way and being competitive. So I think the
a f C is gonna a f C East is
going to be a lot of fun this year. Yeah,
the draft officially starts to pick number two. To see
who's gonna be picking at number two and what the
Jets could absolutely be doing. Well, all that know, Jim's
it's on that role. Let's go ahead and bring in
Brandon Bean, who's joining us from the pro day tour.
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He's going out looking to find to excavate talent to
help the Buffalo Bills. All right, Jim, now it's time
for us to be joined by our special guest, Bills
general manager Brandon Being. Brandon, thanks so much for joining
us here on the Huddle and Flow podcast. Steve, appreciate
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you and Jim having me on, looking looking forward to it,
Appreciate you being here. Yeah, we really appreciate you. Fitness
in between all these pro days. We know you're on
the on the on the on the tour right now,
but you know, but before we get started, you know,
talking about the evaluation process and some of these prospects,
Jim and I wanted to talk to you about a
rule that you and the Bills are proposing to go
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to the Competition Committee the owners next week at the
league meeting, which is to basically slow down the interview
process for head coaches. Um, could you kind of explain
what you're proposing and why. Yeah, you know, we're we're
really you know, excited about this. You know, who knows
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if it's going to get through, but we do think
there's a lot of support. What we're trying to do
is just you know, there seems to be a rush
as soon as the season's over, that last games played.
You know, you got Black Monday and and just you know,
six seven coaches are fired and it's it's one of
those things where there seems to be a rush to go,
I gotta go get this guy, and and what we're
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trying to do is slow the process down. I've been
on several zooms that Troy Vincent, Rod Graves and and
several others have done, and one of them struck a
chord that that Tony Dungee said. He said, it's really
about just taking your time, and we just want to
make sure every candidate that's a viable candidate gets a
chance to show his worth and and not rush the process.
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And so to me, what we're proposing is there's no
interviews until after the Championship Games. So there's three weeks. Um.
You can kind of get your ducks in a row.
If you're an owner, GM president, whoever is doing the hiring,
you can, you know, just kind of check out each
prospect and then there's no hiring anyone until after the
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Super Bowl. And if you think about the last couple
of years, whether it's Robert Silo of the great year
the forty Niners had a year ago, but they went
all the way in to the Super Bowl. He's at
the Jets now, but I would bet he would have
got hired a year ago. And look at at the
coordinators on Tampa. You know, Todd Bowles, what a great
job that that he and his staff did. Uh not
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only that in the Super Bowl, but against Screen Bay
Packers and Aaron Rodgers to get there and Byron Leftwich
and and Eric b Enemy for two years in a
row has been on the Super Bowl and on our staff,
Brian Dable, Leslie Frasier just we just feel like some
of these candidates that are really good and really qualified,
they're they're being overlooked because teams get impatient and they
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want to rush the process. They're scared that they're gonna
miss out on the right guy, and some of them
maybe the better candidates who were you know, going into
the postseason, uh, you know further whether it's the championship
game in Super Bowl or getting overlooked. So we're just
trying to throw that process down and make sure the
best candidates are getting the right opportunity. You know. Um, Brandon,
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I would argue this playing Devil's advocate with you that
many teams already know who they're gonna hire before they
ever even have that first interview. And um, so how
is this going to stop that from happening? Because you know,
even this year, I think if you look at at
all of the hires, many of them were predicted before
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the process ever even got going. Guys were linked to
certain jobs. So how do you stop that from because
every GM. I assume, as this is what I've been
told by Gems, that they are their owner expects them
to have a list of potential head coaching candidates if
ever a change were to be made suddenly, And so
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those Gems already know before the process even begins who
it is that they want to talk to. So how
do you get past that? Well, I think if you
slow it down, if you if you're not allowed to hire,
and you're right that that's that legitimately does happen. I'm
sure every team's got a list and and they're checking
it off. But look at how um I read how
Brad Brad Holmes got hired at Detroit. Is they saw
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one of you know, we do these video interviews when
you're coming up. I did one when I was the
assistant Jim in Carolina, and I think, you know, and
some of the coaching prospects are doing it that the
Lions saw him on this video interview and said, man,
we didn't even have didn't even have him on the list.
I don't even know if they knew who Brad was.
And so that triggered them we gotta interview this guy.
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And so what I'm hoping is that there's there's more
things like that, whether it's video interviews, more ways for
for owners, presidents, whoever is doing the hiring, to get
a look for three weeks and all these guys maybe
they're not on your list. But let me watch a
twenty thirty minutes segment you know of Jim Trotter here
and let him let me let me hear what he says,
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let me hear what what's what he's passionate about, and
just how he communicy gates. And then maybe maybe you
get to the after the championship game and you do
let's just say you do ten zooms. You've narrowed your
list instead of three or four, because I do think
you're right. Every team's got three or four on the list.
Let me do ten twelve zooms you know that week
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and then I can I still have another week and
then I can go as soon as the um you
know that prior to the Super Bowl, I can go
in person with maybe three or four. Just slow the
process down. I think it just allows you know, I
think there's just such a rush. Two, I've got to
hurry up and name the head coach and make sure
I win the press conference and I get the guy
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that everybody's saying needs to be hired. And again there's
nothing's flawless. It doesn't mean to your point, Jim, that
that there won't be a coach that we here in
the middle of December that he's the target of coach
for Team X and he ends up being there. But
maybe one or two guys that wouldn't have got an
opportunity will if a t will take the you know,
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the methodical approach that we're trying to set up here,
can I can I um make one more point here?
What I believe part of the issue is as well,
is that there's not diversity at the table when the
highers are being made. And that means from a GM standpoint,
Now we were fortunate this year the two were hired
or three were hired. Um, But ultimately at the end
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of the day, when that owner has to make his
or her decision, who is that last person in his
or her ear that says maybe we need to consider
this person. I wonder how much do you think that
that is a factor in terms of the slow movement
and the lack of diversity that we've seen in the
in the hiring process. Yeah, I do think that's real
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and I think the more diversity that we add And
to your point, it didn't happen as much with the
head coaches this year, but the needle did get moved,
you know, from the GM standpoint, and those are some
very good hires that those teams made. And it's it's
not going to be fixed over night. But to me,
what what we've been doing hasn't been working that you
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know the process now And so to me, even if
if we're not sold on it, why don't we try
it for a couple of years and compare it to
the old way And maybe it's not the final answer,
but maybe it's close to the final answer, and maybe
we do see more minorities because to me personally, like
I go back to the Todd Bowls, like if the
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if no one could hire a coach before that Super Bowl?
Like how does Todd Bowles not get a job what
he did against Aaron Rodgers m v P and Patrick
Mahomes the previous year's MVP, Like who is not hiring him?
And this guy has been in the seat and was
just he was dealt, you know, tough set of cards
in New York. He's well respected around this league. I
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just think Tampa won too many games and teams didn't
want to Wait, Well, tell me, Brod, what about the
you know, I know, initially I think in your proposal
you had also included general managers UM in that process.
You are going to tweak that too to kind of
remove the general managers from that post championship game interview
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suggesting correct. Yeah, So some of the feedback we got
was that, you know, some of the owners may have
a hard time because they may want to hire a
GM to be involved in the head coach sirch so
they would like to do that. And and to to
the point that I heard is, you know, guys who
are are assisted GM or director scouting, whatever role they're
interviewing for, they're not impacting a playoff game, which which
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is the other part of this is you've got coaches
that are distracted. They're trying to go in a playoff game,
yet they're interviewing for the job of their life, the
dream of their life in a you know, whim. I
gotta prepare all week long. I mean I know that
with just in our building, Leslie Frasier trying to get
ready for the Houston Texans interview Brian Dable trying to
get ready for the Chargers, the Jets, UM, you know,
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maybe one other. I think he had three. But just
allow these people to also thin the season and collect
their their breath and then prepare for this interview. But
so we're gonna take the GM off. It's it's really
gonna be Steve for head coaches, UM and coordinators because
now you can you can interview for coordinators and they
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can't be blocked. So all of those will wait in
this proposal until no interviews until after the championship games,
and no hires until the Monday after the Super Bowl. Yeah.
I agree with your point that what's what, what's what's
being done now isn't working, so why not try something new?
And I also go back you mentioned Tony Dungey. I
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go back to what Tony said that owners simply don't
know how to hire head coaches. You know, football is
not their area expertise, and and too many of them
get focused on winning the press conference instead of winning games,
and the quality people end up being overlooked because of that.
So Sean Payton made this argument earlier on on the
podcast that we should do exactly what you're saying, and
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I do think among coaches there is support for that,
so it will be interesting to see what owners think. Um,
but I'm firmly behind you. What's what, what we're doing
isn't working, So why not try something though, And maybe
there's something in there that gets us a step closer
to a positive solution. Yeah, and listen, maybe, as I said,
maybe someone has a tweak off of this that will work.
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But again I'm with you, Jim. I just don't think
what we've been doing has been working. And so what's
the definition of been saying? They're doing the same thing
over and over and expect Well, Look, guys, I also
think the trickle down. I mean, if you if you
slow it down, then these potential head coaches now, especially
the ones you want in the playoffs, they've got time
to maybe look among the college ranks or other ranks
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to look at guys they want to put on their
staff instead of the crony is Um. That makes you
kind of okay, I'm getting hired in two days. I've
got to go ahead and get these first guys who
are my depth chart in my my binder right here,
to get them secured. Slow it down, again that might
give some other guys some opportunities. Hey, brand let's let's
let's change yar a little bit because we know you're
on the Pro day circuit and all the evaluation. But
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how how is it this year now as opposed to
last year when you couldn't get the bird's eye view
and get your hands on these guys, But now you're
getting into the pro days and getting able to see
them and talk to them in person. Yes, it's nice
to be able to, uh get off of zooms, which
which we're all used to now and we're on now.
But uh, it's nice to get back out of these
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pro days and and listen, I'm at Florida State today
and and their head coach they got they got a
new head coach, Mike Norville, just to be able to
go over and have a one off conversation with him
about some of the players that are working out here today.
And and it's just it helps our scouts and it
helps the process, you know, especially if you have not
seen these these players up close, just how they're built.
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That's that's the importance of the combine. You see them
walk across the stage, your body type them, you get
all the measurements. You get to see them move around
at that weight, whatever it is. Because some of these
guys are bulking up to get stronger, but maybe they
run a slower time, or some guys are trimming down
to run a fast forward forty, but that's really not
their their their real weight. So it kind of gives
you a feel of all that. And again it's uh,
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we gets us out of the zoom world. And to
to be in person with some of these with these
players or prospects, or their coaches and staff, it just
it really helps you answer where you've got them on
your draft board, you know, as we close into the
draft next month, Brandon, I'm curious that when we talked
to general managers about their philosophy of team building, what
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if I could ask you to sum up yours in
a sentence or two, what is your philosophy when it
comes to team building? You know, it's it truly is draft,
develop and resigned, which which I think you saw we
did this year with with Matt Mulano, Trade White, Dion Dawkins,
and then a couple of guys that we had signed
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here that we resigned with John Feliciano, Daryl Williams Levi Wallace, UM.
So we've tried to do that. It does take some time.
Early here, early in my process didn't have the draft,
the draft depth, so we had to fill in some
holes in free agency. So each year you're still gonna
use free agency to fill in some gaps. And the goal, Jim,
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in my mind, is to go to April and not
have glaring holes when you get when you get to
the draft where you have to truly draft for need.
It doesn't mean you don't feel some spots for need,
but you know, this first couple of players, you want
to just draft the best player that you can and
not worry about what position is because over time, good
players are going to help you be a good team.
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You know, as you move in and again, injuries happen. Okay,
teams you may draft a gind of second round. You
may draft a linebacker and people say, we already got
Matt Milana. Why why do you want to do that? Well,
you never know, Injuries happen, Things change all the time.
So that's kind of that's longer than a sentence, Jim,
But that's kind of my philosophy. No, but it's so smart.
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I think when you get to a draft and your
your you force yourself to draft for need. That's where
you get into trouble, and teams don't always trust their
draft boards. So it makes perfect sense what you're saying
here and going through that draft process. I'm curious about
I want to go back to the to the draft
with with Josh Allen and and there were a lot
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of folks who didn't believe the strongly in him as
you did. What did you see back then that led
you to believe he was going to become the player
that we see today? Yeah, Jim, I think the thing
with Josh, you know when we so we watched these
guys all fall and you watch him on tape, but
you don't know him. And so you go to the
Senior Bowl and there we got to meet Josh. Baker
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and Mason Rudolph were probably three of the bigger prospects
at the Senior Bowl. And then um, so that was
the first time meeting him. And then we went and
worked out these quarterbacks, you know, in private. And the
one thing that I saw about Josh was this guy's driven.
He works, He's gonna work extremely hard. He's roll, He's
got a lot of things that that he needs to
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develop up in his game. But every person you asked,
whether it was the head coach, whether his teammates, even
back to his high school, is this kid has driven. Uh,
he plays with a refused to lose attitude, really really smart.
I mean, he he tested in so many of the
things that Brian day Ball put together for him. In
our private setting with each of these quarterbacks, we tried
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to give him a similar just to be able to
compare apples to apples because they play in different conferences,
different levels of play, so you're trying to put them
on the same um, you know, measuring sticks. And the
thing that Josh did was he just with out with
flying colors, was really smart on the fly and you
know his pro day, he made you know, great throws
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into private you know, he threw the ball well. Again.
We we felt that he had a lot of things
that we liked and he had the things that he
wasn't doing well. We thought he would have the drive
and he's really shown that. And um, he works every
offseason with Jordan Palmer, you know, just to kind of
critique and and and clean up some of the areas.
And this year he's made a jump each year. This
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past year it was probably his biggest jump yet. It
was a huge jump. It's like he was on a trampoline.
He just took off, man, and I'm assuming a great kid.
I'm assuming part of that has to do with Stefon
Diggs showing up and can you take our listeners behind
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the scenes about the trade for Steffon. People think those
things happen overnight. When did you first What's what's the
process there in terms of where you first started thinking
about that, identify a player and then make a deal
like that happened. How long does it take? Yeah, you
know that. They vary, but with Stefan, Uh, it really
started Jim in the middle of the nineteen season. So
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going into nineteen, which was josh the second year, we
had a Cole Beasley and John Brown just trying to
give him some weapons. We tried to fix the offensive line,
which was not very good Josh's rookie year. Mid season,
we just felt like, man, we're still miss another playmaker.
People were starting to figure out how to take John
Brown away and maybe cold a little bit. We still
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need someone else on the outside, and so some guys
we looked at were, uh, Steph, Emmanuel Sanders, who we
just signed, and Mohammed Sanu. Those were probably three of
the main ones, and none of the trade options worked out.
Sanu went to New England, um Lway traded Sanders to
the NFC to San Francisco, and then Sam the Minnesota
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told us, hey, and they were in a playoff, you know,
pushed themselves like we're not We're not letting Steff go.
But we did a lot of reckon on staff at
that time because he had some moments where maybe things
didn't seem they were messing well between him and him
and the team, and so we did the recon just
in case they were willing to move them. Fast forward
to the first day of the negotiating period last year
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and um honestly, Steph put out a tweet, you know,
something to to the effect of looking for new beginnings,
and so that just said, you know what, let's check
back and make sure Minnesota is still in that like
we're not trade Steph mode. And and at that point
you could tell the tone was different. They weren't. They
were clear that we are not shopping him. We're not
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he's not on the block, but we will listen if
you make it worth our while. And that started around
four or four thirty that day, and by about nine
that night he was a Buffalo Bill good Jim. Hang
on a second, Hey, I second, who was your Twitter police?
Was it you? Or do you have like I don't
have social media for good reasons. One of the one
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of the scouts UM informed Joe Shane, my assistant GM.
I don't know if Joe's up on all that Twitter
stuff way better than I am, but I think one
of the guys told Joe that what Steph had put
out or forwarded him the tweet, and so Joe just said, hey,
should we look into this? I said, call him and
check it out. And UH spoke to George Peyton, who's
now in Denver, and so, uh, George and I and
(22:58):
Rick worked at deal out. You know. Like I said
later that day, when I woke up that day, I
had no idea when I would lay my head down
that night that Steph Diggs would be a bill. But uh,
I was very excited to add him. And and what
a great addition he he was for us, A sheared,
not only as a player, but the guys really gravitate
to him. This guy practice is really hard, just raised
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raised the intensity of our team in practice, which which
which makes games even easier. So what does Emmanuel Sanders
bringing because you look at your core, Yeah, cold Beasi's
a veteran, but they're still young. I mean, gave Davis
even staff, you know, some of the players. What is
what is Emmanual Brning? You know he he is a
competitive dog. I mean that's the first thing. He set
in my office the other night, and I said, describe
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yourself because I want to tell you what I see.
And he said, hopefully you see a dog. And I said,
I see a dog. And we we laughed because he
knew that I had tried to trade for him a
couple of years ago, and was I had actually been
talking to his agent before we traded last year, because
you know, he was leaving saying for in and before
you signed with New Orleans, I was talking to Todd
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France about trying to get Sanders now, and then um,
the opportunity to go get Steph show, you know, presented
itself and that was a sure thing, trading for him
versus recruiting Emmanuel to come sign with us, versus some
of the competition. So we laughed about it. Because uh,
two of the guys I was trying to trade for
in nineteen Uh, now we got to both and paired
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him up with Cole. So funny how it all works
out in the end. What, Brandon, I'm curious from your standpoint,
what it's like now for since you got there in seventeen,
you guys have been a hunter, You've been pursuing New
England in that division, and now you're the top dog,
you're the hunted. What is the mindset like and how
do you how do you prepare guys for now being
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the hunted instead of the hunter. Yeah, it's it definitely
is a different mindset. You want to be in this seat.
Obviously New England, we've all been hunting New England. The
whole league has been hunting New England. Uh, the a
f C for sure, the f C East. But um,
you want to be in this position, Jim. Uh, it
is a different mindset and you have to bring your
best and every year is a new year. And that's
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kind of what we said after we lost to Kansas
City the next day. You know, you're kind of down,
and you know, we just talked to the team of Hey,
it was a heck of a year, But we gotta
have a heck of an offseason because, um, everyone is
gonna look at us as the standard of the a
f C East and one of the final four teams,
and so you're you're gonna be a measuring stick. And
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there's no weeks off, not that there ever are, but uh,
teams are gonna try to bring their a game because
coaches are gonna say, hey, this team was in the
a f C Championship game a year ago. This you know,
this week, we're gonna find out really how good we are.
So uh, it'll be a tough, you know task for
for Sean McDermott and and Leslie Frazier and Brian Dable
and and and he farwell our coordinators to to lead
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each group. But we're excited about where we're at and
where we're heading. Speaking of New England, what about the
way that they have been on on like Amazon all offseason,
like shopping, shopping, shopping, shopping, you know, doing that COVID
s blurred. Yeah, you know, out of character for those guys,
but some really good moves. Um, you know, I know
coach Belichick has not been a big free agency spender
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and and really hasn't had to. You know, him and
Tom Brady were a formilable duo, probably the best in
history when we talk coach and quarterbacks. So um, I
just think they decided that they needed to make some
adjustments to their roster. And the first thing that stands
out is, obviously, you bring Cam back here, two Cam
is gonna be better. I do think the COVID seemed
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to bother him longer than people probably gave him credit for.
And I know Cam obviously very well, and he is
a heck of a competitor. He's he's gonna come back
ferocious this year. And and then you you talk about
the two tight ends, John new Smith and Hunter Henry
h two great prospects. We would you know, we really
liked those guys for us too, but where we were
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with with our cap, you know, they were they were
out of our ice range. And to me it looks
like they would they're trying to go back to a
little bit with Gronk and Hernandez and and how good
they were in that twelve personnel package. Brandon, do you
guys do general managers try and and and build versus
a team in the division, say in New England, who
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has been a Tom Dogg. Or do you just build
based on your philosophy of the systems you want to
run and becoming the best team that you can. I
think you first, it's a great question. I think you
first built it for what you want to be. You
don't want to try to build it just to play
somebody else. And it's really not to to to how
you want to be, whether you want to be physical,
whether you want to be fast, where they want to
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be big upfront, whether it whether it be athletic, just
but beyond that, there are sometimes where maybe you're you're
adding a player here there to combat this team. It's
just we've struggled stopping this. This player will help us
do that. And um, I tell you a player that
I saw when I was a young guy coming up
in Carolina that UH we drafted when when John Fox
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and Marty Herny were running, it was Thomas Davis. We
drafted Thomas to stop Mike Vick. We were struggling having
the speed on the field at the linebacker position to
track him down. And that was that was the impetus
for that pick in I think two thousand five when
when we took him was Mike Vick was the new
craze of the league in two thousand and four and
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was he was shredding us, And um, I knew that
was the big conversation the whole off seasons. How do
we stop We got a pretty good team, um, but
how do we stop Mike Vick? So there are times
where you where you do say, man, this player will
help us combat what you know, what one of our
division foes is doing. Because at the end of the day,
that's what you gotta do. You each year, you've got
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to win your division. That's certain. You can talk about playoffs,
super Bowl and you hand you get a home game
and an automatic playoffs spot if you're the best of
those four teams. And that's where our focus is again
as we restart, it's not on the championship game or
super Bowl, it's winning the a f C east Man
throw back to the Thomas Davis conversation because I remember,
I mean, you had to be tired hearing about the
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Michael Vick superman stuff because Thomas, remember, he was a
safety at Georgia and you guys thank him when you guys,
when you guys brought him in. Yeah, no, he's his
I'll never forget his cut up tape, you know, thirty
plays of just let's just look at what this guy
can do. And from Georgia. I mean we would pull
it up some years later. Just fun to watch. I mean,
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Thomas was just coming from that safety and um, just
destroying guys. And you're just like, man, the physical nature,
the speed at which he plays. We just we just
didn't have that. And uh, once he it was a
it was a position change, you know, you know, and
more guys do it now. You know, Matt Mulana was
a safety that at BC, this converted turned backer, but
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uh that didn't happen a lot back in in the
mid two thousand's. Um. And so to add Thomas and
look at look at the career he had, you know,
three torn a c l s and the guy still
kept playing. I mean texted with him recently as he
did the one day contract with Carolina. What a what
an awesome dude and had a great career, great father,
great man. I'm sure you guys know him, but uh,
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they don't get much better than TV. You know, Brandon,
last week they announced those new TV deals. From a
GM standpoint, I'm sure you've got agents who were saying,
we're gonna slow play these contract negotiations. Now wait for
these deals to kick in against that back drop, Now,
what can we expect with Josh Allen in terms of
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extension for him? Do you have a timeline and or
are they trying to slow play it? Yeah, you know,
wait for this, Uh, no doubt. Well, I said, I
had to do a a little media deal last week
after free agency, and I my first line they asked
them about Josh. I said, oh, we've already agreed to
a nice hometown discount. And but as agents would probably
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be like, hell no, it's uh, it's one of those things.
We're really proud of Josh. And and we'll get through
the draft and then and you know, probably sometime in
the late spring to summer, we'll get those conversations going.
Who knows where they'll go, and it's got to be
fair for them, fair for us. And and I go
back to when again my experience with with Cam the
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first year we tried to resign Cam was after maybe
two thousand thirteen, I think the year before we did him. Um,
we we had tried really hard to get him done
and we couldn't get him extended, and it just was
one of those things where they were they were, we
were a little uncomfortable, and where we were, they were
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a little uncomfortable. So we just we paused it and
we said, all right, let's let Cam play another year.
So we played two thousand and fourteen and then going
into his m v P year, Um, we got him done.
I'm glad we got him done then because it would
have been crazy m v PCs. So you know, it's
got to work for both sides. It's a deal that
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will be important for for Josh obviously, but for for
us because you've got to plan everything around that quarterback
deal going forward because it's it's going to be such
a big number. And again, i'd love to say, well,
we'll definitely get it done this offseason, but we're gonna try,
and we'll just have to see see where it works,
you know, if it works itself out, what do you
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take from or is there anything to take from the
situation as we saw for instance, with Kirk Cousins and
then with Dak Prescott in terms of deciding that they're
going to bet on themselves and plan a franchise tag
Um from a management standpoint, how important is it to
avoid that, particularly when we're talking about the quarterback position
and what those dollars are. Yeah, you would like to know.
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And I assume those teams tried as well. Obviously I'm
not privy to what the offers were and and and
what the structure. Sometimes it's more about structure than money,
UM and so I don't know what held those deals up,
but you it helps you for your planning. Is the
sooner you can get that, you know, that contract done,
so UM again, I hope that we can get him done.
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If not this year, next year. You don't want to
get into the franchise and and all that stuff. It's
a tool that you use if you have to, UM
to keep a great player. But at the end of
the day, we want Josh here for the long term.
We want him to be happy, and obviously we wanted
to be a deal that that we can still put
talented players around him. Because Josh competitor, he's not He's
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not wired for us just to pay him and then
not be able to put stuff around him. So we'll
try and find that deal that that works for for
him and works for us. That sounded like that negotiating
line there you gotta gotta put some talent around, hey, Jim,
All it is all we know is everyone's just like, okay, nice,
nice job, Brandon, But we do know the spike that's
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going up in that calf in suppress the market not
not yeah, good luck with that, Good luck with that.
But then that happened this year, Hey, brand we know
you gotta get out. I got I got two real
quick ones here were you and you know, and this
is coming off the COVID year and just evaluating not
just what you see on film but the player. And
I know again you haven't had your hands on these
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guys as much as we saw what happened with Isaiah
Wilson right at the tackle from Tennessee. Who's gotta let
go in Miami? Is it tougher to kind of get
that insight on a player coming off a year we
just had again where you have not had as much
access around these guys to kind of figure out maybe
we could be behind the scenes with a guy that
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maybe normal. Yeah, you do have to. It's the access
has been obviously much less to strength coach, trainers, position coaches,
whoever you know on a certain staff, so um, you know,
tracking these people down and one of whether it's phone zoom, FaceTime,
whatever it is. Uh, it's just it's the on us
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is still on on our staff, whether it's the scouts, myself,
whoever coaches on our staff, to to find out who,
you know, who these people are. We can watch the
film all day long, but once we draft this player,
how are they going to fit in Buffalo? Do they
have the work ethic? Are they gonna be great teammates? Um?
What are their smarts? Like? All these things we can't
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necessarily tell from the film. That's our job from now
until you know, April nine or thirties, whenever this draft
gets here. Brandon has this great diet. Him and I
a little less than a year ago we were talking
about our COVID munch yard. Go to Brandon. Jim's lost
like fifte use like the Peloton king right now pounds
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He's like doing it right right. So I've been kind
of up and down, but I'm still you know, I'm
still hanging around my two fifteen my target weight? Are
you still killing? The monster? Mixed you? And that's like
the Peanuts and the trail mix and the Eminem's. The
Eminem's are the bad party because that is so good man,
I've had to stay away, so I did during this year. Uh.
My my son got into it too, so my wife,
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both host and I kept stopped. This is killing me,
but we started this, uh inner office, Uh weight loss,
biggest little are two weeks ago and the road is
tough to do that on. But we started it. So
I'm down a few, but I got a ways to go.
We turned into nice little competition basically we have from
now until the draft. We paired each other up with
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a big guy and a small guy, and uh, it'll
be fun to see, uh where everybody ends up here
by the end of April. Okay, right now, very quick tip.
Were you paired for the big guy or a small guy?
Because now we know where you stand on your hands. Uh.
They crushed me that I should have been one of
the big guys, but luckily I still slightly filling a
small guy category. Just like that. But who's your guy?
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Who's your partner? So I got one of our equipment guys,
his nickname Scopes. He's he's Scopes up there. He's in
the two fifties, So I told him. I went down
a couple of times and some of the guys, they
knew how competitive I was. They put some snacks on
his desk when they knew I was coming down there,
and they said, hey, hey, look at Scobes. What he's
doing over there. And I went over there and scopes,
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no fear, no snacks. You gotta get seven eight weeks. Like,
if you like working down here, you better start losing
the weight because I want to win this thing. Oh
that's funny. I'm gonna leave you on this, Brandon. One question.
The last few gms we've talked to, their route to
their position. Um was sort of off the beaten path,
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if you will. Um. Terry Fonto was in the marketing
department for the Saints. Brandon Holmes was in the PR
department for the Atlanta Hawks to start with. And you
started out, uh, in the communications department as well. So
is that now the pipeline to become a GM in
the NFL? Now you gotta go one of these offbeat
routes to get there. I'm not saying go my path.
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It's very very very non traditional. A month and communications
and then I was doing some player engagement and folding
towels in the equipment room. So uh, it took me
a while to to get my footing, but it all
worked out. So I'm not saying it's the right path,
but again there's a It does show you there's a
lot of different ways that you can get there, and
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and I do think it helps that when you've seen
how other departments work, because when you're a GM, you're
not just scouting players. That's obviously an important piece, but
you're leading, you're managing um a lot of things you're
doing budget wise, whether it's your football ops budget or
obviously your salary cap is the most important budget that
that you're overseeing. So I do think the variety that
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you're talking about Brad Holmes came from and Terry Fonteau
and those guys. I do think that helps when you
get in this seat. Alright, But brand we can't thank
you enough. And there will be a special uh bucket
coming to scopes since you're just we're going to test
him right now. Jim put all kind of sweets and
Munkey's in there someone else. Brandon, thanks so much for
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joining us. Go find some players, all right, guys, appreciate
you all. Steve looked there was a lot of things
there that that that Brandon being gave us to chew on.
But the one thing I'll go back to is the
thing we started on, and that's the proposal to address
the lack of diversity hires in the NFL at the
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head coaching position. And look, I have my suspicions or
my my doubts about whether or not this proposal would
really change anything, but I agree with Brandon being on
this point. Nothing to this point his work, So why
not try something different, you know, at least give it
an opportunity. So from that standpoint, I'm with him, um,
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But I still believe that most teams, most gems um
kind of have their mind made up before the process
even begins of who they want to hire. And how
do you get past that, I don't know. But if
this will slow down the process and maybe help expand
the field and open people's minds a little bit, I'm
all for it, yeah, jem. And and and even if you
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slow it down, even they've got their mind made up
on the head guy, the fact that they can take
some down own time. Let's let's say you hire new
GM and he's got five weeks to study, he can
at least maybe bring in some people who could be
a coordinator down the line. You know, you interview them,
but just open up against some opportunities for people to
see and to hear some voices. Again, the Brad Holmes example,
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we heard Brandon talk about it. Um, you know we
had brad on talking about it. They didn't know who
he was until somebody with the team was like, I
remember this guy from an archived interview. We might want
to check him out, and boom, he becomes a general
manager of the Detroit Lions. So I'm with you. This
is not the first time this issue has been raised
to try to slow down the process. We'll see if
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if things continue to change these gym as we know,
the league has has changed just about everything except for
the minds of owners, which you know who do the hiring.
Here absolutely, because it's always funny when people, you know,
they'll interview us and and they'll last met you know, Um,
what can the league do to improve this? And I
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always come back into then the league is done just
about everything it can do. It is not a league issue.
It is an ownership issue. Owners make the hires when
it comes to head coaches and general managers. So let's
put the focus where the focus needs to be, and
that's on ownership and not the league. Um. And I've
said this a thousand times, I'll say it again. The
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fact that the league went so far as to try
and bribe teams to hire black people as head coaches.
For GMS man, you talk about, you know, overstepping your
bounds and something that was insulting to too many of
these potential candidates. Um, but that shows the desperation that
the league office had in terms of trying to address
this issue and level this playing field. So again, let's
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keep the focus where it belongs, and that's on ownership,
and that's not on the league office or anyone else
one to pstanding props to the Bubble Bills for again
addressing this issue. Brandon being to Brian day Ball and
Leshleie Frasier, two gentlemen who were kind of on shortlist
and become head coaches, in his opinion, lose out on
the process because they're team advance of the playoffs. And
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again he also mentioned Todd Bowles and and and some
of those other coaches Erk Bionomy who also had opportunities
who are gonna props to the Bills for at least
pushing this issue and keeping it out to the forefront.
And good luck to Brandon being on the weight Loss
Challenge with his partner there. The Monster Mix is on
the way, are Jim. We're getting ready to button this
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Dominicansu continues to win at football contract life, as he
just signed another one year deal nine million dollars for
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. This guy, I mean he he
wanted to begin and now he's winning at the end.
When it comes to getting paid among non quarterback Steve,
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this is the contract guru man. He has gotten paid
every step of the way. He was fortunate enough to
get in before a rookie way scale came in. He
had a rookie contract that was structured in such a
way that he was gonna get paid again in that
second contract if he performed, which he did, and now
he's still getting paid on the back end of this
thing while winning super Bowls. So props to him. Man,
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he's he's done it the right way in terms of
making his money and taking care of it. The other
thing with him that's really interesting. I'll say this too, Steve.
When you talk to people around him, they think his
second career in terms of when he leaves football, is
going to be even better than what it was in football,
both from a production standpoint and from a financial standpoint.
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So as you say, and Domincan, Sue was winning on
all levels and Jimmys you know, if you talking, he's
one of the most brilliant guys in the NFL. I
mean he is. He is like a scholar every time
he come. I know he's got the surly image and
everything like that, but he's a real one. I mean,
I really enjoy our conversations and speaking of like offseason
moves and things like that. We will be joined very
(02:10):
soon by Bills general manager Brandon Bean. The Bills have
made some subtle, some subtle moves, but some good ones.
Getting Emmanuel Sanders, They're gett a backup and Mitch Trabiskie.
I mean, can Brian day Ball give him a second
shot at life, kind of like we saw him get
the bump out of Josh Allen in year three. So
that'll be interesting. So we'll talk to Brandon about those moves.
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Two is is the a f C East they're still
the team to beat despite the spending for you by
the New England Patriots. Yeah, I would have to agree
with that. I mean, New England has done some things
that obviously put them right back in the mix. But
for me, as we all know, it's a quarterback driven
league and it comes down to the quarterback. And if
you're asking me who I have more faith in Josh
Allen or Cam Newton at this point, hands down, I
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have more faith than Josh Allen and what the Bills
have done. So that's why I continue to say I
believe Buffalo is still the front runner in the NFC East,
but that division is gonna beat up on each other
as we go forward. You know, the Dolphins are on
the come. We know New England's gonna be um coming
back from this. I mean, hell, they won seven games
last year with everything that went on, which you know,
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some might say it was one of Bill's better coaching
jobs to get to seven wins, so um New York.
We're gonna see what moves they make as we go
forward here in terms of acquiring personnel. Are they gonna
move Sam Donald, acquire draft picks, try and build that way.
We don't know yet, but you have to believe Robert
Salo is going to have that team, you know, playing
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the right way and being competitive. So I think the
a f C is gonna a f C East is
going to be a lot of fun this year. Yeah,
the draft officially starts to pick number two. To see
who's gonna be picking at number two and what the
Jets could absolutely be doing. Well, all that know, Jim's
it's on that role. Let's go ahead and bring in
Brandon Bean, who's joining us from the pro day tour.
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He's going out looking to find to excavate talent to
help the Buffalo Bills. All right, Jim, now it's time
for us to be joined by our special guest, Bills
general manager Brandon Being. Brandon, thanks so much for joining
us here on the Huddle and Flow podcast. Steve, appreciate
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you and Jim having me on, looking looking forward to it,
Appreciate you being here. Yeah, we really appreciate you. Fitness
in between all these pro days. We know you're on
the on the on the on the tour right now,
but you know, but before we get started, you know,
talking about the evaluation process and some of these prospects,
Jim and I wanted to talk to you about a
rule that you and the Bills are proposing to go
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to the Competition Committee the owners next week at the
league meeting, which is to basically slow down the interview
process for head coaches. Um, could you kind of explain
what you're proposing and why. Yeah, you know, we're we're
really you know, excited about this. You know, who knows
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if it's going to get through, but we do think
there's a lot of support. What we're trying to do
is just you know, there seems to be a rush
as soon as the season's over, that last games played.
You know, you got Black Monday and and just you know,
six seven coaches are fired and it's it's one of
those things where there seems to be a rush to go,
I gotta go get this guy, and and what we're
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trying to do is slow the process down. I've been
on several zooms that Troy Vincent, Rod Graves and and
several others have done, and one of them struck a
chord that that Tony Dungee said. He said, it's really
about just taking your time, and we just want to
make sure every candidate that's a viable candidate gets a
chance to show his worth and and not rush the process.
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And so to me, what we're proposing is there's no
interviews until after the Championship Games. So there's three weeks. Um.
You can kind of get your ducks in a row.
If you're an owner, GM president, whoever is doing the hiring,
you can, you know, just kind of check out each
prospect and then there's no hiring anyone until after the
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Super Bowl. And if you think about the last couple
of years, whether it's Robert Silo of the great year
the forty Niners had a year ago, but they went
all the way in to the Super Bowl. He's at
the Jets now, but I would bet he would have
got hired a year ago. And look at at the
coordinators on Tampa. You know, Todd Bowles, what a great
job that that he and his staff did. Uh not
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only that in the Super Bowl, but against Screen Bay
Packers and Aaron Rodgers to get there and Byron Leftwich
and and Eric b Enemy for two years in a
row has been on the Super Bowl and on our staff,
Brian Dable, Leslie Frasier just we just feel like some
of these candidates that are really good and really qualified,
they're they're being overlooked because teams get impatient and they
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want to rush the process. They're scared that they're gonna
miss out on the right guy, and some of them
maybe the better candidates who were you know, going into
the postseason, uh, you know further whether it's the championship
game in Super Bowl or getting overlooked. So we're just
trying to throw that process down and make sure the
best candidates are getting the right opportunity. You know. Um, Brandon,
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I would argue this playing Devil's advocate with you that
many teams already know who they're gonna hire before they
ever even have that first interview. And um, so how
is this going to stop that from happening? Because you know,
even this year, I think if you look at at
all of the hires, many of them were predicted before
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the process ever even got going. Guys were linked to
certain jobs. So how do you stop that from because
every GM. I assume, as this is what I've been
told by Gems, that they are their owner expects them
to have a list of potential head coaching candidates if
ever a change were to be made suddenly, And so
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those Gems already know before the process even begins who
it is that they want to talk to. So how
do you get past that? Well, I think if you
slow it down, if you if you're not allowed to hire,
and you're right that that's that legitimately does happen. I'm
sure every team's got a list and and they're checking
it off. But look at how um I read how
Brad Brad Holmes got hired at Detroit. Is they saw
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one of you know, we do these video interviews when
you're coming up. I did one when I was the
assistant Jim in Carolina, and I think, you know, and
some of the coaching prospects are doing it that the
Lions saw him on this video interview and said, man,
we didn't even have didn't even have him on the list.
I don't even know if they knew who Brad was.
And so that triggered them we gotta interview this guy.
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And so what I'm hoping is that there's there's more
things like that, whether it's video interviews, more ways for
for owners, presidents, whoever is doing the hiring, to get
a look for three weeks and all these guys maybe
they're not on your list. But let me watch a
twenty thirty minutes segment you know of Jim Trotter here
and let him let me let me hear what he says,
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let me hear what what's what he's passionate about, and
just how he communicy gates. And then maybe maybe you
get to the after the championship game and you do
let's just say you do ten zooms. You've narrowed your
list instead of three or four, because I do think
you're right. Every team's got three or four on the list.
Let me do ten twelve zooms you know that week
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and then I can I still have another week and
then I can go as soon as the um you
know that prior to the Super Bowl, I can go
in person with maybe three or four. Just slow the
process down. I think it just allows you know, I
think there's just such a rush. Two, I've got to
hurry up and name the head coach and make sure
I win the press conference and I get the guy
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that everybody's saying needs to be hired. And again there's
nothing's flawless. It doesn't mean to your point, Jim, that
that there won't be a coach that we here in
the middle of December that he's the target of coach
for Team X and he ends up being there. But
maybe one or two guys that wouldn't have got an
opportunity will if a t will take the you know,
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the methodical approach that we're trying to set up here,
can I can I um make one more point here?
What I believe part of the issue is as well,
is that there's not diversity at the table when the
highers are being made. And that means from a GM standpoint,
Now we were fortunate this year the two were hired
or three were hired. Um, But ultimately at the end
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of the day, when that owner has to make his
or her decision, who is that last person in his
or her ear that says maybe we need to consider
this person. I wonder how much do you think that
that is a factor in terms of the slow movement
and the lack of diversity that we've seen in the
in the hiring process. Yeah, I do think that's real
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and I think the more diversity that we add And
to your point, it didn't happen as much with the
head coaches this year, but the needle did get moved,
you know, from the GM standpoint, and those are some
very good hires that those teams made. And it's it's
not going to be fixed over night. But to me,
what what we've been doing hasn't been working that you
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know the process now And so to me, even if
if we're not sold on it, why don't we try
it for a couple of years and compare it to
the old way And maybe it's not the final answer,
but maybe it's close to the final answer, and maybe
we do see more minorities because to me personally, like
I go back to the Todd Bowls, like if the
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if no one could hire a coach before that Super Bowl?
Like how does Todd Bowles not get a job what
he did against Aaron Rodgers m v P and Patrick
Mahomes the previous year's MVP, Like who is not hiring him?
And this guy has been in the seat and was
just he was dealt, you know, tough set of cards
in New York. He's well respected around this league. I
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just think Tampa won too many games and teams didn't
want to Wait, Well, tell me, Brod, what about the
you know, I know, initially I think in your proposal
you had also included general managers UM in that process.
You are going to tweak that too to kind of
remove the general managers from that post championship game interview
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suggesting correct. Yeah, So some of the feedback we got
was that, you know, some of the owners may have
a hard time because they may want to hire a
GM to be involved in the head coach sirch so
they would like to do that. And and to to
the point that I heard is, you know, guys who
are are assisted GM or director scouting, whatever role they're
interviewing for, they're not impacting a playoff game, which which
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is the other part of this is you've got coaches
that are distracted. They're trying to go in a playoff game,
yet they're interviewing for the job of their life, the
dream of their life in a you know, whim. I
gotta prepare all week long. I mean I know that
with just in our building, Leslie Frasier trying to get
ready for the Houston Texans interview Brian Dable trying to
get ready for the Chargers, the Jets, UM, you know,
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maybe one other. I think he had three. But just
allow these people to also thin the season and collect
their their breath and then prepare for this interview. But
so we're gonna take the GM off. It's it's really
gonna be Steve for head coaches, UM and coordinators because
now you can you can interview for coordinators and they
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can't be blocked. So all of those will wait in
this proposal until no interviews until after the championship games,
and no hires until the Monday after the Super Bowl. Yeah.
I agree with your point that what's what, what's what's
being done now isn't working, so why not try something new?
And I also go back you mentioned Tony Dungey. I
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go back to what Tony said that owners simply don't
know how to hire head coaches. You know, football is
not their area expertise, and and too many of them
get focused on winning the press conference instead of winning games,
and the quality people end up being overlooked because of that.
So Sean Payton made this argument earlier on on the
podcast that we should do exactly what you're saying, and
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I do think among coaches there is support for that,
so it will be interesting to see what owners think. Um,
but I'm firmly behind you. What's what, what we're doing
isn't working, So why not try something though, And maybe
there's something in there that gets us a step closer
to a positive solution. Yeah, and listen, maybe, as I said,
maybe someone has a tweak off of this that will work.
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But again I'm with you, Jim. I just don't think
what we've been doing has been working. And so what's
the definition of been saying? They're doing the same thing
over and over and expect Well, Look, guys, I also
think the trickle down. I mean, if you if you
slow it down, then these potential head coaches now, especially
the ones you want in the playoffs, they've got time
to maybe look among the college ranks or other ranks
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to look at guys they want to put on their
staff instead of the crony is Um. That makes you
kind of okay, I'm getting hired in two days. I've
got to go ahead and get these first guys who
are my depth chart in my my binder right here,
to get them secured. Slow it down, again that might
give some other guys some opportunities. Hey, brand let's let's
let's change yar a little bit because we know you're
on the Pro day circuit and all the evaluation. But
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how how is it this year now as opposed to
last year when you couldn't get the bird's eye view
and get your hands on these guys, But now you're
getting into the pro days and getting able to see
them and talk to them in person. Yes, it's nice
to be able to, uh get off of zooms, which
which we're all used to now and we're on now.
But uh, it's nice to get back out of these
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pro days and and listen, I'm at Florida State today
and and their head coach they got they got a
new head coach, Mike Norville, just to be able to
go over and have a one off conversation with him
about some of the players that are working out here today.
And and it's just it helps our scouts and it
helps the process, you know, especially if you have not
seen these these players up close, just how they're built.
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That's that's the importance of the combine. You see them
walk across the stage, your body type them, you get
all the measurements. You get to see them move around
at that weight, whatever it is. Because some of these
guys are bulking up to get stronger, but maybe they
run a slower time, or some guys are trimming down
to run a fast forward forty, but that's really not
their their their real weight. So it kind of gives
you a feel of all that. And again it's uh,
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we gets us out of the zoom world. And to
to be in person with some of these with these
players or prospects, or their coaches and staff, it just
it really helps you answer where you've got them on
your draft board, you know, as we close into the
draft next month, Brandon, I'm curious that when we talked
to general managers about their philosophy of team building, what
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if I could ask you to sum up yours in
a sentence or two, what is your philosophy when it
comes to team building? You know, it's it truly is draft,
develop and resigned, which which I think you saw we
did this year with with Matt Mulano, Trade White, Dion Dawkins,
and then a couple of guys that we had signed
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here that we resigned with John Feliciano, Daryl Williams Levi Wallace, UM.
So we've tried to do that. It does take some time.
Early here, early in my process didn't have the draft,
the draft depth, so we had to fill in some
holes in free agency. So each year you're still gonna
use free agency to fill in some gaps. And the goal, Jim,
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in my mind, is to go to April and not
have glaring holes when you get when you get to
the draft where you have to truly draft for need.
It doesn't mean you don't feel some spots for need,
but you know, this first couple of players, you want
to just draft the best player that you can and
not worry about what position is because over time, good
players are going to help you be a good team.
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You know, as you move in and again, injuries happen. Okay,
teams you may draft a gind of second round. You
may draft a linebacker and people say, we already got
Matt Milana. Why why do you want to do that? Well,
you never know, Injuries happen, Things change all the time.
So that's kind of that's longer than a sentence, Jim,
But that's kind of my philosophy. No, but it's so smart.
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I think when you get to a draft and your
your you force yourself to draft for need. That's where
you get into trouble, and teams don't always trust their
draft boards. So it makes perfect sense what you're saying
here and going through that draft process. I'm curious about
I want to go back to the to the draft
with with Josh Allen and and there were a lot
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of folks who didn't believe the strongly in him as
you did. What did you see back then that led
you to believe he was going to become the player
that we see today? Yeah, Jim, I think the thing
with Josh, you know when we so we watched these
guys all fall and you watch him on tape, but
you don't know him. And so you go to the
Senior Bowl and there we got to meet Josh. Baker
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and Mason Rudolph were probably three of the bigger prospects
at the Senior Bowl. And then um, so that was
the first time meeting him. And then we went and
worked out these quarterbacks, you know, in private. And the
one thing that I saw about Josh was this guy's driven.
He works, He's gonna work extremely hard. He's roll, He's
got a lot of things that that he needs to
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develop up in his game. But every person you asked,
whether it was the head coach, whether his teammates, even
back to his high school, is this kid has driven. Uh,
he plays with a refused to lose attitude, really really smart.
I mean, he he tested in so many of the
things that Brian day Ball put together for him. In
our private setting with each of these quarterbacks, we tried
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to give him a similar just to be able to
compare apples to apples because they play in different conferences,
different levels of play, so you're trying to put them
on the same um, you know, measuring sticks. And the
thing that Josh did was he just with out with
flying colors, was really smart on the fly and you
know his pro day, he made you know, great throws
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into private you know, he threw the ball well. Again.
We we felt that he had a lot of things
that we liked and he had the things that he
wasn't doing well. We thought he would have the drive
and he's really shown that. And um, he works every
offseason with Jordan Palmer, you know, just to kind of
critique and and and clean up some of the areas.
And this year he's made a jump each year. This
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past year it was probably his biggest jump yet. It
was a huge jump. It's like he was on a trampoline.
He just took off, man, and I'm assuming a great kid.
I'm assuming part of that has to do with Stefon
Diggs showing up and can you take our listeners behind
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the scenes about the trade for Steffon. People think those
things happen overnight. When did you first What's what's the
process there in terms of where you first started thinking
about that, identify a player and then make a deal
like that happened. How long does it take? Yeah, you
know that. They vary, but with Stefan, Uh, it really
started Jim in the middle of the nineteen season. So
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going into nineteen, which was josh the second year, we
had a Cole Beasley and John Brown just trying to
give him some weapons. We tried to fix the offensive line,
which was not very good Josh's rookie year. Mid season,
we just felt like, man, we're still miss another playmaker.
People were starting to figure out how to take John
Brown away and maybe cold a little bit. We still
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need someone else on the outside, and so some guys
we looked at were, uh, Steph, Emmanuel Sanders, who we
just signed, and Mohammed Sanu. Those were probably three of
the main ones, and none of the trade options worked out.
Sanu went to New England, um Lway traded Sanders to
the NFC to San Francisco, and then Sam the Minnesota
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told us, hey, and they were in a playoff, you know,
pushed themselves like we're not We're not letting Steff go.
But we did a lot of reckon on staff at
that time because he had some moments where maybe things
didn't seem they were messing well between him and him
and the team, and so we did the recon just
in case they were willing to move them. Fast forward
to the first day of the negotiating period last year
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and um honestly, Steph put out a tweet, you know,
something to to the effect of looking for new beginnings,
and so that just said, you know what, let's check
back and make sure Minnesota is still in that like
we're not trade Steph mode. And and at that point
you could tell the tone was different. They weren't. They
were clear that we are not shopping him. We're not
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he's not on the block, but we will listen if
you make it worth our while. And that started around
four or four thirty that day, and by about nine
that night he was a Buffalo Bill good Jim. Hang
on a second, Hey, I second, who was your Twitter police?
Was it you? Or do you have like I don't
have social media for good reasons. One of the one
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of the scouts UM informed Joe Shane, my assistant GM.
I don't know if Joe's up on all that Twitter
stuff way better than I am, but I think one
of the guys told Joe that what Steph had put
out or forwarded him the tweet, and so Joe just said, hey,
should we look into this? I said, call him and
check it out. And UH spoke to George Peyton, who's
now in Denver, and so, uh, George and I and
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Rick worked at deal out. You know. Like I said
later that day, when I woke up that day, I
had no idea when I would lay my head down
that night that Steph Diggs would be a bill. But uh,
I was very excited to add him. And and what
a great addition he he was for us, A sheared,
not only as a player, but the guys really gravitate
to him. This guy practice is really hard, just raised
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raised the intensity of our team in practice, which which
which makes games even easier. So what does Emmanuel Sanders
bringing because you look at your core, Yeah, cold Beasi's
a veteran, but they're still young. I mean, gave Davis
even staff, you know, some of the players. What is
what is Emmanual Brning? You know he he is a
competitive dog. I mean that's the first thing. He set
in my office the other night, and I said, describe
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yourself because I want to tell you what I see.
And he said, hopefully you see a dog. And I said,
I see a dog. And we we laughed because he
knew that I had tried to trade for him a
couple of years ago, and was I had actually been
talking to his agent before we traded last year, because
you know, he was leaving saying for in and before
you signed with New Orleans, I was talking to Todd
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France about trying to get Sanders now, and then um,
the opportunity to go get Steph show, you know, presented
itself and that was a sure thing, trading for him
versus recruiting Emmanuel to come sign with us, versus some
of the competition. So we laughed about it. Because uh,
two of the guys I was trying to trade for
in nineteen Uh, now we got to both and paired
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him up with Cole. So funny how it all works
out in the end. What, Brandon, I'm curious from your standpoint,
what it's like now for since you got there in seventeen,
you guys have been a hunter, You've been pursuing New
England in that division, and now you're the top dog,
you're the hunted. What is the mindset like and how
do you how do you prepare guys for now being
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the hunted instead of the hunter. Yeah, it's it definitely
is a different mindset. You want to be in this seat.
Obviously New England, we've all been hunting New England. The
whole league has been hunting New England. Uh, the a
f C for sure, the f C East. But um,
you want to be in this position, Jim. Uh, it
is a different mindset and you have to bring your
best and every year is a new year. And that's
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kind of what we said after we lost to Kansas
City the next day. You know, you're kind of down,
and you know, we just talked to the team of Hey,
it was a heck of a year, But we gotta
have a heck of an offseason because, um, everyone is
gonna look at us as the standard of the a
f C East and one of the final four teams,
and so you're you're gonna be a measuring stick. And
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there's no weeks off, not that there ever are, but uh,
teams are gonna try to bring their a game because
coaches are gonna say, hey, this team was in the
a f C Championship game a year ago. This you know,
this week, we're gonna find out really how good we are.
So uh, it'll be a tough, you know task for
for Sean McDermott and and Leslie Frazier and Brian Dable
and and and he farwell our coordinators to to lead
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each group. But we're excited about where we're at and
where we're heading. Speaking of New England, what about the
way that they have been on on like Amazon all offseason,
like shopping, shopping, shopping, shopping, you know, doing that COVID
s blurred. Yeah, you know, out of character for those guys,
but some really good moves. Um, you know, I know
coach Belichick has not been a big free agency spender
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and and really hasn't had to. You know, him and
Tom Brady were a formilable duo, probably the best in
history when we talk coach and quarterbacks. So um, I
just think they decided that they needed to make some
adjustments to their roster. And the first thing that stands
out is, obviously, you bring Cam back here, two Cam
is gonna be better. I do think the COVID seemed
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to bother him longer than people probably gave him credit for.
And I know Cam obviously very well, and he is
a heck of a competitor. He's he's gonna come back
ferocious this year. And and then you you talk about
the two tight ends, John new Smith and Hunter Henry
h two great prospects. We would you know, we really
liked those guys for us too, but where we were
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with with our cap, you know, they were they were
out of our ice range. And to me it looks
like they would they're trying to go back to a
little bit with Gronk and Hernandez and and how good
they were in that twelve personnel package. Brandon, do you
guys do general managers try and and and build versus
a team in the division, say in New England, who
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has been a Tom Dogg. Or do you just build
based on your philosophy of the systems you want to
run and becoming the best team that you can. I
think you first, it's a great question. I think you
first built it for what you want to be. You
don't want to try to build it just to play
somebody else. And it's really not to to to how
you want to be, whether you want to be physical,
whether you want to be fast, where they want to
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be big upfront, whether it whether it be athletic, just
but beyond that, there are sometimes where maybe you're you're
adding a player here there to combat this team. It's
just we've struggled stopping this. This player will help us
do that. And um, I tell you a player that
I saw when I was a young guy coming up
in Carolina that UH we drafted when when John Fox
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and Marty Herny were running, it was Thomas Davis. We
drafted Thomas to stop Mike Vick. We were struggling having
the speed on the field at the linebacker position to
track him down. And that was that was the impetus
for that pick in I think two thousand five when
when we took him was Mike Vick was the new
craze of the league in two thousand and four and
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was he was shredding us, And um, I knew that
was the big conversation the whole off seasons. How do
we stop We got a pretty good team, um, but
how do we stop Mike Vick? So there are times
where you where you do say, man, this player will
help us combat what you know, what one of our
division foes is doing. Because at the end of the day,
that's what you gotta do. You each year, you've got
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to win your division. That's certain. You can talk about playoffs,
super Bowl and you hand you get a home game
and an automatic playoffs spot if you're the best of
those four teams. And that's where our focus is again
as we restart, it's not on the championship game or
super Bowl, it's winning the a f C east Man
throw back to the Thomas Davis conversation because I remember,
I mean, you had to be tired hearing about the
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Michael Vick superman stuff because Thomas, remember, he was a
safety at Georgia and you guys thank him when you guys,
when you guys brought him in. Yeah, no, he's his
I'll never forget his cut up tape, you know, thirty
plays of just let's just look at what this guy
can do. And from Georgia. I mean we would pull
it up some years later. Just fun to watch. I mean,
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Thomas was just coming from that safety and um, just
destroying guys. And you're just like, man, the physical nature,
the speed at which he plays. We just we just
didn't have that. And uh, once he it was a
it was a position change, you know, you know, and
more guys do it now. You know, Matt Mulana was
a safety that at BC, this converted turned backer, but
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uh that didn't happen a lot back in in the
mid two thousand's. Um. And so to add Thomas and
look at look at the career he had, you know,
three torn a c l s and the guy still
kept playing. I mean texted with him recently as he
did the one day contract with Carolina. What a what
an awesome dude and had a great career, great father,
great man. I'm sure you guys know him, but uh,
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they don't get much better than TV. You know, Brandon,
last week they announced those new TV deals. From a
GM standpoint, I'm sure you've got agents who were saying,
we're gonna slow play these contract negotiations. Now wait for
these deals to kick in against that back drop, Now,
what can we expect with Josh Allen in terms of
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extension for him? Do you have a timeline and or
are they trying to slow play it? Yeah, you know,
wait for this, Uh, no doubt. Well, I said, I
had to do a a little media deal last week
after free agency, and I my first line they asked
them about Josh. I said, oh, we've already agreed to
a nice hometown discount. And but as agents would probably
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be like, hell no, it's uh, it's one of those things.
We're really proud of Josh. And and we'll get through
the draft and then and you know, probably sometime in
the late spring to summer, we'll get those conversations going.
Who knows where they'll go, and it's got to be
fair for them, fair for us. And and I go
back to when again my experience with with Cam the
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first year we tried to resign Cam was after maybe
two thousand thirteen, I think the year before we did him. Um,
we we had tried really hard to get him done
and we couldn't get him extended, and it just was
one of those things where they were they were, we
were a little uncomfortable, and where we were, they were
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a little uncomfortable. So we just we paused it and
we said, all right, let's let Cam play another year.
So we played two thousand and fourteen and then going
into his m v P year, Um, we got him done.
I'm glad we got him done then because it would
have been crazy m v PCs. So you know, it's
got to work for both sides. It's a deal that
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will be important for for Josh obviously, but for for
us because you've got to plan everything around that quarterback
deal going forward because it's it's going to be such
a big number. And again, i'd love to say, well,
we'll definitely get it done this offseason, but we're gonna try,
and we'll just have to see see where it works,
you know, if it works itself out, what do you
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take from or is there anything to take from the
situation as we saw for instance, with Kirk Cousins and
then with Dak Prescott in terms of deciding that they're
going to bet on themselves and plan a franchise tag
Um from a management standpoint, how important is it to
avoid that, particularly when we're talking about the quarterback position
and what those dollars are. Yeah, you would like to know.
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And I assume those teams tried as well. Obviously I'm
not privy to what the offers were and and and
what the structure. Sometimes it's more about structure than money,
UM and so I don't know what held those deals up,
but you it helps you for your planning. Is the
sooner you can get that, you know, that contract done,
so UM again, I hope that we can get him done.
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If not this year, next year. You don't want to
get into the franchise and and all that stuff. It's
a tool that you use if you have to, UM
to keep a great player. But at the end of
the day, we want Josh here for the long term.
We want him to be happy, and obviously we wanted
to be a deal that that we can still put
talented players around him. Because Josh competitor, he's not He's
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not wired for us just to pay him and then
not be able to put stuff around him. So we'll
try and find that deal that that works for for
him and works for us. That sounded like that negotiating
line there you gotta gotta put some talent around, hey, Jim,
All it is all we know is everyone's just like, okay, nice,
nice job, Brandon, But we do know the spike that's
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going up in that calf in suppress the market not
not yeah, good luck with that, Good luck with that.
But then that happened this year, Hey, brand we know
you gotta get out. I got I got two real
quick ones here were you and you know, and this
is coming off the COVID year and just evaluating not
just what you see on film but the player. And
I know again you haven't had your hands on these
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guys as much as we saw what happened with Isaiah
Wilson right at the tackle from Tennessee. Who's gotta let
go in Miami? Is it tougher to kind of get
that insight on a player coming off a year we
just had again where you have not had as much
access around these guys to kind of figure out maybe
we could be behind the scenes with a guy that
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maybe normal. Yeah, you do have to. It's the access
has been obviously much less to strength coach, trainers, position coaches,
whoever you know on a certain staff, so um, you know,
tracking these people down and one of whether it's phone zoom, FaceTime,
whatever it is. Uh, it's just it's the on us
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is still on on our staff, whether it's the scouts, myself,
whoever coaches on our staff, to to find out who,
you know, who these people are. We can watch the
film all day long, but once we draft this player,
how are they going to fit in Buffalo? Do they
have the work ethic? Are they gonna be great teammates? Um?
What are their smarts? Like? All these things we can't
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necessarily tell from the film. That's our job from now
until you know, April nine or thirties, whenever this draft
gets here. Brandon has this great diet. Him and I
a little less than a year ago we were talking
about our COVID munch yard. Go to Brandon. Jim's lost
like fifte use like the Peloton king right now pounds
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He's like doing it right right. So I've been kind
of up and down, but I'm still you know, I'm
still hanging around my two fifteen my target weight? Are
you still killing? The monster? Mixed you? And that's like
the Peanuts and the trail mix and the Eminem's. The
Eminem's are the bad party because that is so good man,
I've had to stay away, so I did during this year. Uh.
My my son got into it too, so my wife,
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both host and I kept stopped. This is killing me,
but we started this, uh inner office, Uh weight loss,
biggest little are two weeks ago and the road is
tough to do that on. But we started it. So
I'm down a few, but I got a ways to go.
We turned into nice little competition basically we have from
now until the draft. We paired each other up with
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a big guy and a small guy, and uh, it'll
be fun to see, uh where everybody ends up here
by the end of April. Okay, right now, very quick tip.
Were you paired for the big guy or a small guy?
Because now we know where you stand on your hands. Uh.
They crushed me that I should have been one of
the big guys, but luckily I still slightly filling a
small guy category. Just like that. But who's your guy?
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Who's your partner? So I got one of our equipment guys,
his nickname Scopes. He's he's Scopes up there. He's in
the two fifties, So I told him. I went down
a couple of times and some of the guys, they
knew how competitive I was. They put some snacks on
his desk when they knew I was coming down there,
and they said, hey, hey, look at Scobes. What he's
doing over there. And I went over there and scopes,
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no fear, no snacks. You gotta get seven eight weeks. Like,
if you like working down here, you better start losing
the weight because I want to win this thing. Oh
that's funny. I'm gonna leave you on this, Brandon. One question.
The last few gms we've talked to, their route to
their position. Um was sort of off the beaten path,
(37:21):
if you will. Um. Terry Fonto was in the marketing
department for the Saints. Brandon Holmes was in the PR
department for the Atlanta Hawks to start with. And you
started out, uh, in the communications department as well. So
is that now the pipeline to become a GM in
the NFL? Now you gotta go one of these offbeat
routes to get there. I'm not saying go my path.
(37:43):
It's very very very non traditional. A month and communications
and then I was doing some player engagement and folding
towels in the equipment room. So uh, it took me
a while to to get my footing, but it all
worked out. So I'm not saying it's the right path,
but again there's a It does show you there's a
lot of different ways that you can get there, and
(38:05):
and I do think it helps that when you've seen
how other departments work, because when you're a GM, you're
not just scouting players. That's obviously an important piece, but
you're leading, you're managing um a lot of things you're
doing budget wise, whether it's your football ops budget or
obviously your salary cap is the most important budget that
that you're overseeing. So I do think the variety that
(38:27):
you're talking about Brad Holmes came from and Terry Fonteau
and those guys. I do think that helps when you
get in this seat. Alright, But brand we can't thank
you enough. And there will be a special uh bucket
coming to scopes since you're just we're going to test
him right now. Jim put all kind of sweets and
Munkey's in there someone else. Brandon, thanks so much for
(38:53):
joining us. Go find some players, all right, guys, appreciate
you all. Steve looked there was a lot of things
there that that that Brandon being gave us to chew on.
But the one thing I'll go back to is the
thing we started on, and that's the proposal to address
the lack of diversity hires in the NFL at the
(39:13):
head coaching position. And look, I have my suspicions or
my my doubts about whether or not this proposal would
really change anything, but I agree with Brandon being on
this point. Nothing to this point his work, So why
not try something different, you know, at least give it
an opportunity. So from that standpoint, I'm with him, um,
(39:34):
But I still believe that most teams, most gems um
kind of have their mind made up before the process
even begins of who they want to hire. And how
do you get past that, I don't know. But if
this will slow down the process and maybe help expand
the field and open people's minds a little bit, I'm
all for it, yeah, jem. And and and even if you
(39:55):
slow it down, even they've got their mind made up
on the head guy, the fact that they can take
some down own time. Let's let's say you hire new
GM and he's got five weeks to study, he can
at least maybe bring in some people who could be
a coordinator down the line. You know, you interview them,
but just open up against some opportunities for people to
see and to hear some voices. Again, the Brad Holmes example,
(40:17):
we heard Brandon talk about it. Um, you know we
had brad on talking about it. They didn't know who
he was until somebody with the team was like, I
remember this guy from an archived interview. We might want
to check him out, and boom, he becomes a general
manager of the Detroit Lions. So I'm with you. This
is not the first time this issue has been raised
to try to slow down the process. We'll see if
(40:39):
if things continue to change these gym as we know,
the league has has changed just about everything except for
the minds of owners, which you know who do the hiring.
Here absolutely, because it's always funny when people, you know,
they'll interview us and and they'll last met you know, Um,
what can the league do to improve this? And I
(40:59):
always come back into then the league is done just
about everything it can do. It is not a league issue.
It is an ownership issue. Owners make the hires when
it comes to head coaches and general managers. So let's
put the focus where the focus needs to be, and
that's on ownership and not the league. Um. And I've
said this a thousand times, I'll say it again. The
(41:19):
fact that the league went so far as to try
and bribe teams to hire black people as head coaches.
For GMS man, you talk about, you know, overstepping your
bounds and something that was insulting to too many of
these potential candidates. Um, but that shows the desperation that
the league office had in terms of trying to address
this issue and level this playing field. So again, let's
(41:40):
keep the focus where it belongs, and that's on ownership,
and that's not on the league office or anyone else
one to pstanding props to the Bubble Bills for again
addressing this issue. Brandon being to Brian day Ball and
Leshleie Frasier, two gentlemen who were kind of on shortlist
and become head coaches, in his opinion, lose out on
the process because they're team advance of the playoffs. And
(42:01):
again he also mentioned Todd Bowles and and and some
of those other coaches Erk Bionomy who also had opportunities
who are gonna props to the Bills for at least
pushing this issue and keeping it out to the forefront.
And good luck to Brandon being on the weight Loss
Challenge with his partner there. The Monster Mix is on
the way, are Jim. We're getting ready to button this
thing up right here? Another awesome episode of the Huddle
(42:24):
Flow Podcast brought you by into it, probably making the
Turbo Tax, quick books and mint Jim, why don't you
get us out of here? Yeah, once again, we want
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continue to give you more of what you're funking for.
And speaking of continuing to give you more next week,
you heard from him a little bit earlier this week,
but we're gonna have unplugged Jamis Winston next week. Is
he going to be the heir to Drew Breese And
we also have the Hall of Famer Warren Moon joining us.
(43:07):
So again we continue to bring it here on the
Huddle and Flow Podcast to from my dude Jim Trotter
and our producer Thomas Warren. We are the HU Mob
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