March 30, 2021 • 61 mins
Jameis is running it back with the New Orleans Saints and he joins Steve and Jim to talk about competing against Taysom Hill for the starting quarterback job (07:37). Jameis says he’ll go after it with a new outlook on the position from the biggest lesson he learned from Drew Brees (12:14). And if he wins it, he says he’s ready to step in for the vaunted Saints legend (18:15). Jameis offers advice for this year’s QBs who hope to hear their names called in this year’s Draft (27:13). He also talks about how fatherhood and being a husband has made him a better player (32:30). Plus, Steve and Jim with some perspective of the Derek Chauvin trial (58:22).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Coming up next on Huddling Flow. I know how Tasting
is as a quarterback. I know how I am as
a quarterback. But I believe us going against each other well,
but I don't know how to uh, you know, how
they're gonna do the reps and stuff like that. You know,
I just know I'm ready to play, and I know
it's gonna push us both to an elite level. And
you saw with Drew and tast somehow how tough it
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made teams to play for the Saints when you had
another quarterback that was able to do the things that
taste Taste does. But when we talk about when we
talk about the competitiveness part, Steve like, this's just ball, Like,
that's that's how my mentality is. I'm just focused on
ball and how I'm gonna get this offense, how I'm
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gonna master this offense, and how are we gonna win games?
Like that? That is it. That's next on Huddling Flow.
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All right, welcome to another edition of the Huddle and
Flow Podcast, brought to you by Into It, the proud
makers of quick Books, Turbo Tax and ment I am
d White with my brother Jim Trotter. We are two
thirds of the Howard University mob our producer Thomas Warren
on the ones and twos, he completes the puzzle. Jim,
We've got a really excellent show today. We've got Jamis Winston,
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the quarterback in New Orleans Saint ann and we want
to get him on a little bit because there's just
so many interesting things about his story that we want
to just you know, find out about and enlighten ourselves
and the audience too. Yeah, and you know, Jami's, uh,
it seems like he's been around forever, but it's only
what he's entering his seventh year. Um, maybe it's going
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back to knowing him from college plan so early there
and whatnot. But you know, I've always found it to
be a fascinating guy, and in some ways I'm curious,
you know, I really want to hear from him about
how teams view him. The fact that you could be
a number one overall pick, the fact that you could
throw for fifty yards and thirty three touchdowns and yet
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only several teams even reach out to you in free
agency because you also threw thirty picks that year. There's
a lot of talent there, and you would have to
think that that um, there should have been a broader
market for him than just three teams reaching out to him. Yeah,
and we heard Sean Payton, the Saine coach, on the
podcast a couple of months ago tell us about that
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talent of Jamis Winston. And also, you know, look, we're
gonna talking to him about being the man for his
whole life and now all of a sudden having one
scout team offense. I mean, that's that's a huge, huge change.
Which just since we're talking about quarterbacks and we'll hit
that with Jamison just a minute. Things you're really perking up,
you know, with with this quarterback market, especially as we're
getting closer to the draft. We saw the Niners make
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the huge Friday moving from twelve to three, you make
that move to draft a quarterback. I was at Jack
Wilson's Prota b y U until John Lynch was there,
and you know, we spoke about this and he said, look,
the first phone call we made, what Jimmy Garoppolo saying, Jimmy,
you're still gonna be our guy. You're still on our plans. Uh.
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I can't take that one to the bank there, Jim
I can't see how you're gonna trade it from twelve
to three, knowing the expectation of quarterback taking third. Overall,
Jimmy is not Aaron Rodgers, right. This is not Jordan's
Love and Aaron Rodgers here. I think Jimmy has gone
before the draft. And whether it be Tray Lance or
whether it be Justin Field, that's who the Niners are
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gonna rock with at their quarterback in I'll say this
to you, Steve, I would not be shocked if Jimmy
were gone before the draft, but I also would not
be shocked if he were still around before the draft. Look,
the reality is we know Trevor Lawrence is gonna go
number one. The expectation is that that Zack Wilson is
gonna go number two to the Jets. So now you say,
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at number three, who will it be. There is a
belief among many scouts that I talked to that both
Justin Fields and Tree Lance Um need a little development time.
And for these people who say that Mac Jones from
Alabama will go number three, that's not what I'm hearing.
Um and Kyle understands where the game is going. Um,
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go back and listen to his press conference after the
Buffalo Bills and johnsh Allen beat them last season, and
what he had to say about John Allen. There when
you have an opportunity to get a quarterback who is
a dual threat guy who can move and throw well
off of the move, which is critical. Um, that was
not Mac Jones game in terms of throwing off the
move outside the pocket. So I don't see the marriage
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that some are talking about there um. But what it
tells you is that whoever it is, the forty nine
are strongly believe and I shouldn't say the forty niners.
I should say Kyle Shanahan strongly believes that this is
a player who can lead this team for the next
decade or more. And otherwise you don't make this deal.
You don't give up, you don't swap ones and and
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give up two number ones in the three um, if
you don't believe that. And for those who try and
say they think, well, maybe he's going to get the
top defensive guy or an offensive tackle, you don't make
that feel. You know, you don't come from that far back,
that far up to basically try to lead frog all
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these other teams. You're gonna try to get up to
take a quarterback to take a detail. You hear this
crazy stuff during this time of year, and this is
why I have to stay off social media a little
bit because the stuff is just absurd. And I get
that it's draft time and people there's so much interest
in this, but some of the stuff that gets thrown
out there, You're just like, where is this coming from?
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You know? And just wait, Jim, we got we got
almost a full another month, almost a full month or
more of it to happen. So it's it's gonna be
a whole lot of uh, you know, stuff up against
the wall by who flung do um? You know, coming
up all over the place. Well, we're gonna talk to
these quarterbacks with Jamis Winston and you know it's it's
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I'm so eager because I've always found it fascinating Jim,
like you said, just a fascinating dude. Um who who
I'm really hoping for? You know, I really would love
to see a quarterback go through what he's gone through
to find his traction again, kind of like call Ryan
Tannehill did in Tennessee and we see how great of
a story that is and how he was able to
cash in and to make the Titans A a a perennial
playoff contender. So on that note, Jim, let's go ahead
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and bringing our special guests Jamis Winston. All right, j D.
Now we are joined by our special guest, Jamis Winston. Jamis,
Welcome to the Huddle on Flow podcast. Hey, Steve, jam blessed,
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blessed to be on here with you guys. Good to
see man. How's life It's great? Uh. Today I woke
up to take my son to school. He had a
little sniffle, so they said we can't bring him in.
So I enjoyed doing the early hours of school with
my son. Hey, he now he knows if he don't
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want to go to class, he's gonna that that won't
That won't happen. That won't happen because I know he
enjoys the playground. We're doing workouts, we're doing soccer, we're
doing football stuff back there. So I'm pretty sure he
enjoys playing with the early kids more. James, life is
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like now that it's uh, it's officially you're gonna have
an opportunity now to compete for that starting job in
New Orleans. It's it's just back to that hunger. I
think that's the that's the main part. Um. There's so
much cones with being a strong quarterback in the NFL. UH.
And you know that opportunity got taken away from me
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uh last year. So I had a place of humility.
You got a chance to learn from Drew and UH.
This league, it is very few in between where you
get another opportunity like this. So I'm just grateful that
I get that, and I'm doing my my very best
to prepare and make the most of You know, it's
interesting you say got taken away from you last year.
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Why do you think that is. I mean, you're coming
off a season where you threw for fifty one hundred
yards thirty three touchdowns. Why was there not more of
a market for Jami's Well, it was the it was
the interceptions. Uh. And and that's how I see it
from UM, just a competitive part, you know, from a
team oriented part. Just the turnovers and UH. Teams have
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to believe that they that they can trust you. And
I've been at that organization Tampa for a good minute. UH.
Developed great friends there in that building, UH, inside and
outside you know, in the community. But when you turn
the football over and you're not winning games. Um, they
find a way to get you out of there. I'm curious, James,
from that standpoint, hundred yards and thirty three testdowns is
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a lot, even if you got thirty picks. I mean,
for you number one pick five years in Tampa. How
many teams actually approached you that off season? Man? Last offseason? Yeah, Man,
I can probably count on three fingers and that and
that's it. You know, the Saints were really the only
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team to come at me with actual legitimate offer. Every
other team wanted me to wait. I wanted to see how,
you know, how the draft was. The Saints would only
team to uh really Sean. When Sean called me and said, hey, man, hey,
we we believe in you. I mean, I know it
ain't much. We can't give you much, but uh that's
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it says a lot. And I was like, you're right, coach,
that's that does say a lot. Uh. So, I mean,
soon as soon as they called, I was like, man,
I want a opportunity. Um, I know, I'm I'm I'm
find a way. I'm an my way back up to
being a stern quarterback. But I believe that this is
the best fit for it to be. Like I didn't
oppose uh, standing standing Tampa. That was an option, uh,
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to learn from Brady, but but get a chance to
go right down the road being a city like New Orleans. UM,
I guess three more, three hours closer to home, but
that that really doesn't make a difference. Uh. It just
it just felt great to know that a team wanted
me to be their quarterback, so uh, I had definitely
go with them. You know, I'm curious you used to
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you used the word humility. I'm wondering how humbling was
that And was there a part of you that was
even angry that so few teams were interested? You know
I was. I was angry, angrier at myself for basically
putting myself in this situation. I believe because I know
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that I could play quarterback at a high level. And
I just felt like last season was such like anomaly,
Like it's just like I didn't know what was was
going on at times like this year. Last year, like
I watched my turnover tape over the past five years,
just over and over and over, and that year that
stood out to me. Uh. And it may have been
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because of the new offense. It may because I was
trying to go out there improve it. Maybe because I
was playing for a lot, but it just it still
poses me to this day and all I'm trying to
do is focused on eliminating that and uh and what
I came up with. It's a lot of players that, um,
and the course of being an NFL quarterback, there are
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a lot of players where when you have talent, you
said I can do this, I can do that, but
really learning how to manage the game. I never wanted
to be deemed a game management manager, you know what
I'm saying. People always called me a gun sleep slinger.
You know, in high school they even called me a
dual threat quarterback. But I always grew myself as a
pocket passer, uh and a guy that can stretch the
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ball down the field. Uh. But really, that game management
not a bad piece. That's something that I think just
comes with being a professional quarterback. Being able to not
just only do the things that you can do, but
being able to do the things that you should not do,
like what not to do versus what can I do? So?
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And in the season that you spent under Sean and
learning from Drew, did you see that aspect of your
game change, even though it's only in those you know
that the partial game that you got to playing in
in practice, did you feel anything different about your games
saying turnovers are going away because I'm doing this better.
Just decisions like it wasn't it wasn't hey, Uh, like
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because I'm a competitive guy, Like it wasn't Hey, I'm
about to go over there and go at Marshall and
Alattimore five times in a row just because that's marshatn
a lotta Moore and I got Mike Mike Thomas right,
and I'm trying to put fear in Marshaw and Alattimore's hard.
But it was not just the decision. Was it the
right decision? Like watching practice, watching Drew, did you make
the right decision? Uh? And over of course at the time,
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those things that up. And that's what one of the
biggest things I learned from him is, Hey, James, we're
gonna be decision oarranted, Like we're not being result results oriented,
because when you get result oriented, you're always looking for
that big play. You're always looking for that that big bang.
Was his decision oriented? A right decision could be taken
us at the right decision could be throwing the ball away. Uh.
If we played the game, just making it making sure
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throughout the course of the whole the entire game, not
just the first quarter, not just the second quarter, not
just the third quarter, but throughout the entire game. Every
minute we make the right decisions, we'll put our team
up in a in a better position to win a
football game. That that's interesting because I've I've never heard that,
you know, because we say this is a results oriented
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business and you're saying you learned this is a decision
oriented process that you were going through. Had you heard
that before, because I mean I frankly had not. We're
not making good decisions, but it's always results oriented that's
pushed to us. Steve, I've never I've never really heard that,
you know. Uh, I think I was took from netbook
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and I'm like, I mean, you you say we're not
making decision based on asults, but look at your numbers,
Drew like it ain't like you putting the baby numbers
like you you're five quarterback every year, like you know.
But he went like, He's like, it's because of decisions
like they like and I saw it like this, the
team trust him right, Sean, trust him right? If if
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Sean makes a bad play play called he trusts that
Drew is gonna, you know, make it better, you know
what I'm saying, And I think that's that's a that's
a huge part of just playing the game is when
you got a quarterback, you gotta coach and they trust
each other. That allows a lot of other stuff to
to happen, to roll with the way that it should.
You know, Jame's this may sound silly, but I'm wondering,
did you learn more in one year under Sean and
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Drew than you did in five years in Tampa? I
think I learned. The reason I learned so much from
Drew and Sean this is because my focus was on
learning from Sean and Drew over the past, over the
course of my other like my fo was on being
uh the starting quarterback leading the team. Uh. So I've
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learned different things from a leadership style, and I learned
different things about myself over the course of my six
six year career. But I've learned so much just from
the quarterback position of being able to watch Drew work,
watch Drew communicate with Sean. Like that's one big thing
that I really believe that I didn't do a good
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enough job with my other coordinators and my coaches was
communicating to them, being able to to bring them. Actually
what what I like, you know, having having coaches being
receptive to you coming in with the play and us
actually putting that thing in, you know, and just seeing
how that continuity uh was built in that organization with
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Sean and Drew. Uh, it just was it was exciting.
It was exciting to see that type of relationship because
that's the type of relationship that that I want with
my coordinator and my head coach. You know, one thing
I know about Bruce arians and said he's tough to
play for man, particularly early and particularly on quarterbacks. For you,
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what was that relationship like? And because what I've always
heard from folks is with be A, you gotta earn
his trust to become a b A guy. What was
it like playing man? It was actually my last my
last year Temple was one of my funniest years in
that city with the organization. Uh, mainly because b like
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b A, is very outspoken, but you know, he he
is who he is. And I've known b A since
I was thirteen years old, so I've known him for
a route while. Uh, just because his his time spent
in Birmingham, but I enjoyed playing for him. I really
enjoyed working with Byron left Which and Quiet Christensen. I
felt like that I learned so much from them. Uh.
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That was the first time when I actually got a
chance to to feel comfortable with my offensive coordinator in
terms of being able to have like these type of
conversations with them, right. I think Byron helped me open
that door and to really, hey, man, I need to
I need to really be able to communicate with my
o C, my quarterback coach to let them know, uh
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that this is what I want, not necessarily like looking
at the office of coordinator like hey, why why do
we have this in this week? Like I really don't
want that. Let's scratch that, instead of being like hey, okay,
I'm good with everything, just because it's like a like
I know I can do everything, but some stuff you
just don't need to do, Like some stuff you look
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at the game plan just like I don't want to
run that, Like why don't you run them? Well, because
I threw a pick on the same play two games ago,
Like I don't want to run that play. So being
able to just process and eliminate uh, for yourself, but
being able to have a coard relationship with your O C.
What's your quarterback coach, to tell them exactly what you want.
And I think that that that came from a maturation process, uh,
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and that came from that's a comfort process with Clyde,
Christen and Byron just being able to be with them.
So I think that's one thing that BA did bring
to that organization is just that that that openness, like, Hey,
we're gonna talk, We're gonna communicate with you because I
need to know what you guys need for us to
be successful. And I definitely saw that after the year
went on with our team, even my last year attemptle
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of just how like people we were really grasping on
to be a way um and going out there and
executing jam Is. I'm curious about this. There's a thing
you don't want to be the man to follow the man,
and yet in New Orleans you're the man who's following
the man's pressure a burden. It's a lot of it's
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a lot of responsibility that comes with that. Because Drew
Brees is one of the greatest quarterbacks that played this game,
not just New Orleans best quarterback all time is one
of the greatest quarterbacks to play this game. Uh. So
it's a lot of responsibility that comes comes with that. Um.
But I'm excited and I embraced that challenge being able
to have the opportunity to compete for that torch. Uh.
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And you better believe I'm I gotta get that like
my my family. No, I gotta get that torch. I'm
doing everything I can uh to get that torch. Um.
So I'm just excited for that. But man, like jim
one thing, if I adn't learned nothing, I know that
it's all about my process. It's a day to day thing.
What I'm doing today is gonna translate to what I'm
doing in August September for the remainder of the football season.
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So I'm just taking it day by day and applying
myself so that I'm ready when it's time the world.
Jimmy said, No, I know we're talking about replacing Drew now.
But Sean was on the podcast a couple of months
ago and he said part of the recruiting pitch that
they gave to he was like, yeah, maybe we don't
have the money, but where else you can have an
opportunity to possibly step in for a quarterback and his
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last year. I mean, did you start thinking, Okay, this
is it for Drew. Do you think, Okay, I can
replace him and be the starter and get my starting
job back, or Okay, this is really gonna be a
challenging year. Knowing that I've got to work to possibly
replace a legend right well, one of the biggest things
for me and making this decision. I feel like this
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is the first time where I felt like um, kind
of like it was college um, where the money didn't matter.
It's where did you want to go? You know, who
had the best organization, who had the best defense, who
had the best offense, who had the best scheme for you?
And I think New Orleans just hit a hit all
those one you know, their division opponent. I haven't seen
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this defense over and over again, and this is a
defense that I that has given me trouble in the past.
Two I get to stay in the same division where
I didn't see these same type of players, these same
type coaches. Right so now I've already been playing team
these teams twice a year. Uh So why why get
out of that division and you know, get something new?
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I know, new head coaches and stuff like that, but
that played played a big role in case I had
to come in and step in for Drew if Drew,
if something like Drew went down last year, right, and
and it would have been an easier transition coming into
that division seeing the same teams, like because I know
how to win that division, I know how to play
teams in that division. Um. But being with being with Sean,
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like obviously when you gotta elite play card, Alkid is
an elite head coach, like shoot him and Bill Belichick
go out of every year, you know for who's the
best coach in the league. Right, and we got a
bunch of other great coaches too, But historically Sean, like
Sean of Sean, Marvin Lewis and Bill Belichick like the
longest tenure coaches for their team. So he's been doing
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it for for a good minute with the Saints. Uh So, yeah,
I think it was. It was a it was a
mixture of everything. Uh. One of my infatuation of obsession
with you know, how can I experience that continuity? How
do I get to to to see how it really
is supposed to work in the NFL instead of like
having the easy year in the year out. Uh, coordinators
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a year and year out. Uh, you know, coaches like
I want, I want, I want someone that's I want
to be somewhere so I can see how it's supposed
to be and now I know how to implement that
throughout the rest of my career. How was it also
dealing with the situation because Sean said, Okay, you're talking
if Drew got hurt in the middle of a game,
you were gonna go in, which we saw happened. But
he made a promise to taste him, that he was
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gonna get the first opportunity to start if Drew was
gonna be out for multiple games. How was it dealing
with that saying that, hey, man, in practice, I still
might be doing it this and that, but this was
a promise that was made to taste him, and I
just have to live with it and kind of go
with it from there. Yeah, when it comes to the
promise they made to taste some like it, Like I'm not,
that's none of my business, right, Like he made that
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decision to taste them before I even got there, right, So, like, yeah,
y'all haven to y'all stuff. But when it comes to
my preparation. I'm just like I'm I'm ready every week,
you know, because I I know one thing. I know
what it is to prepare for a game, right, So
I think that it was good that I brought that
to the team. Really, you know, I understood, like I
understood how drew schedule worked. I understood how to take
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some schedule work when he was the stern quarterback. I
was able to you know, lend a help in hand,
serve them in any way that they could. But I
also knew that I had my my routine already. I
knew how I was going to prepare and approach this
week as well. I think it just was great to
be able to to watch Drew prepare, to get it,
to actually be in some sessions Withdrew to see how
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he kind of viewed the game, to see how he
thought the team was gonna attack us, or how were
we going to attack our opponent. So I thought that
was very eye opening just to see because I I
would have thought that you know, that he was you know,
in there from four o'clock in the morning, uh to
you know, ten o'clock at night, But he really just
showed me how efficient he was and everything that he did,
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every everything that he did, whether he was you know,
having his business calls, whin he's watching film, was he
watching the situation of FIM, whether you know he had
some some pr to do with with with with the team,
like just everything he did was like hawkwork right and
and this and these are the things that he's talking
about in terms of decisions, Like every decision that he's
making throughout the day is adding up to the ultimate
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result that he's gonna want at the end of the day. Right.
So I'm seeing this in full emotion, not trying to
do it my own way, because, um, I've been thrown
into this. I was the the young prodigy, the number
one draft picks, So I'm learning how to do this, right.
I'm trying to trying to grasp from other veterans like
Jerry McCoy, Vincent Jackson, claim McDonald, Lewis Murphy, trying to
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get their routines and see like, hey, how do you
guys take care of your body? How do you guys
do this? How do you know what that? Stuff like that.
But now I'm with the quarterback that's showing me the way, right,
So I'm just sitting back I'm listening, and I'm just like, hey, uh,
this is something that I like that Drew does. Okay,
I'm gonna take that right. But if it's something that
I know that I wouldn't do, okay, well I still
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have to be Jameis Winston James. What's most important lesson
you learned from Drew? It goes to the decisions, um
is we're making plays based off this decision and not
the root and and I and I go back to
that because me, the player that I that I am,
that I've always been, was this this player like I
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try to light the scoreboard up, like I want, I
want to dominate the opponent. Uh and and that's just
our play. But it's a time and a place for that, right.
One thing that I learned just we were the first
time I realized, like how Drew the sole decision oarranted
we played played Oakland, um, and we went to Oakland,
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went to Vegas the first game in Vegas and we
got beat And you know, I was on the sideline,
you know, because everyone he's losing. So I ain't gonna
say that, but I'm gonna sideline. We're on too minute drill.
We've done a by two scores, and I'm just like,
we gotta push the ball down the field, Like, we
gotta move the ball, like, let's take some chances. Like
now is the time. I know we've been We've been decisions, decisions,
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but when we're losing, like, let's start moving the ball
down to Fieldt's take some chances. And Drew just was
he was just doing his job. He was just doing
his job right. And I was just like, man like
why didn't like why did he do this right? And
he was just like, man, I got my job to do.
My job is to put us in the best chance
to win the game. Like if I get out of
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my element and try doing things that I know that
I'm not gonna do, uh, things that I know that's
not me, then I'm not being me and I'm not
being the best player that I can be for this team.
So I just have to do what I have to do.
Everything else did they handle itself. And that was the
first time it was a loss, and I was just like,
I mean, well, did we want to lose? Like we're
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trying to come back, but you know, but understanding like
this is a part of the game, right, this game
didn't go our way, Like, I'm just like, hey, every
game gotta go our way, Like what, like, what what
are we talking about? But learning that from him seeing
that side, like, hey, it's too in the drill. We've
dined about two scores and this man he's just taking
what the defense is given him. It was unique for me.
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I was just like because we're trying to win, So
that was an experience I'm interested in in. We've got
four quarterbacks potentially five, they're saying that could be drafted
in the first round this year. What is Jamis Winston? No,
now that he wished he had known coming into this
league as a number one pick overall, What would you
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tell them if you were to sit down with them today,
I would tell them, you know, be the best quarterback
that you can be. And what I mean by that
is we spent our entire life, well I spent my
entire life, you know, wanting to be a professional football player,
and I played quarterback for the majority of that time
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in this sport. Once you get to the NFL, now
it's hey, we got this marketing thing for you. Hey,
let's we got this community for you. Hey, we got
this event over here for you where you you're you're
throwing so many different ways, and you're trying to be
the best at everything that you're doing. But you understand
like being the best quarterback at that given time, it's
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gonna allow me a better platform for everything else. I
feel like I I came into Tampa with the mindset
that I hate you know, I'm I'm I'm gonna let
this this, this community, uh you know, take me in.
I'm gonna give everything I got to this community. And
you know, football take care of itself. You know, Like
that's just what you see. Once you add those other things,
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whether it's the time, whether it's the money, where it's
the you know, different other voices that's in your life.
When they come in, you see how football starts weeding
out a little by little, and you're just like, man,
I've been preparing for this my whole my whole life.
I think I'm busy because I got all this other
stuff going on, but my focus needs to be on football.
So I'll tell the young guys, let's focus on football.
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Like that's why I tell myself, man, all like, yes,
it's great that the community, the community work is superb,
Like that's just your heart. You're gonna go do that regardless, right,
because you want to help the people, uh in the community,
But we have to Being a great football player is
gonna keep you in the community. It's gonna keep putting
that team, allowing that team to put you out there,
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right like your individual platform, like I can go back
to best, but they always gonna know who who I
am because I'm from that city, so I'm always can
can do stuff in my community. But this team, yeah,
they want you. They want to be able to, you know,
promote you in the community stuff. But they actually want
to be able to promote you as we're winning games
with this guy. This guy's is one of the top
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quarterbacks in the league. So I would tell the young guys, man,
focus on being the best quarterback that you can be.
Learn learn learn how to be a perfectionist, and that
before you start adding these little nicks and knacks to
your schedule that you don't know, it's taken away from
that energy. I put so much energy into everything because
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I'm a high energy person. I'm trying to get everybody
a hundred percent. But it's also comes to a point
where you have to focus on what got you there.
You have to focus on what is what is the
bell cow like, what is it making all this stuff go?
And that's because I'm Jami's wins in the quarterback, not
because I'm Jamis wants in the philanthropists, not because um
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Jamis Winson going kissing babies at church. It's because you're
on the football field and you're execute and that allows
you and even larger platform to go and do all
those things that from the bottom of your heart that
you're gonna do anyway. But you're always gonna make time
for huddling the flow, right absolutely? Man? Yeah, Hey, so
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so Jamis tell me this because you know there's there's
the big conversation going on, you know with the nflp
A saying hey, the offseas need to be virtual, and
other people say, hey, wh did you get these guys
on the field if there's all the medical clearance and
things like that. Were you competing with Tayson for a
starting job, would you prefer to have the on field
o t A in many camps as opposed to doing
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this virtually? Uh? Yeah, you know, as a as a
football player in general, you know, as an athlete in general,
I think we all enjoy, uh, with the majority of
us all enjoyed being around my teammates, uh, you know
during its time. But obviously this is this is not
these times aren't really normal, right, So we have to
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respect uh everything that's happened with the vaccinations, uh, every
all the protocols that that it takes with with COVID. UM.
Like I said, I'm dealing like with that with my son.
Like my my son has had COVID and he just
has a running notes like like last week was his
first week of school and they kicking him out of school.
I'm just like, he didn't get that on his own,
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like he got it from some kids in the building.
So we just have to be ready for anything. But me,
I want to be there with my team. I want
to really hone in get around these coaches. I really
want to get with with Sean and um and just
hone in on this on this offense one second, guy, please,
I'm sorry. All right, that's real life. That's somebody wants daddy.
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I love that, man. I got to y'all. So my
my new born he was napping, so he just woke up,
so mama, mama with him. No, you know what jamis
is a perfect segue um. First of all, congratulations, recently
celebrated your one year wedding anniversary, and I'm wondering, how
does how does married life, family life? How has it
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helped you? What impact has it had on you at
this point? Well, it's helped me a lot, especially man.
That's like last year. I say last year was humbling
because last year was hoping for a lot of us. Uh.
You know when when you have a nationwide pandemic, you
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know it's just I mean not nationwide, but a global pandemic.
It's it's tough on everybody, And it was tough on
me and breathe, but not able to have our family here,
Like I got a wife, she got a new born,
she's pregnant, and I got a two year old. We
we we don't have our family win New Orleans. Went
in this new city, uh, and we but were no
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so we we know, okay, at least we're gonna be
straight on food. But we're like, we don't know what
we're gonna go to eat. We don't know what we're
gonna do. We don't know we're gonna find the stuff
at So that was me and her one on wine.
It allowed us to ignore all the noise, all the
outside noise that was coming in. Uh that that she
may have been listened to, it that I may have
been listening to, Like that was eliminated because we were
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allowed to be around those people. It was only us,
us and our kids. So it showed me the importance
of making sure that I have things straight with my
household from a visual standpoint that I can't remind you,
like of the quarterback, like it helps me when I
go in the beld, Like, hey, I gotta focus on
this because at the end of the day, I know
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I have a whole another team that I gotta go
back and be the top notch for them. I gotta
be a dad. I gotta be the best man and
father that I possibly can be. Because now it's it's
bigger than me. It's way bigger than me. Uh It's
it's not now. It's not about making money by throwing
touchdowns or being benched for throwing interceptions. What's important is
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what we're actually giving our mind to, our family, our
faith right, making sure that I that that that I
I give the glory to God first in the morning,
like that that that is bar none. I have to
do that right, So I can be able to set
the foundation right for my family, and then like, how
am I gonna be able to set the foundation right
for this organization that's allowed me to be the quarterback.
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When you're the CEO of organization, everybody all eyes on you,
when you the dad, when you're the man of the house,
and all eyes on you. Right, my son, my son
not gonna be looking for his mama every given moment
when he when when he looked, he's with her all
the time. He's looking for dad. Where's daddy? Yet as
a as an NFL organization, like where's my quarterback at?
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Like we're looking for like every every year in the draft,
a team is looking for a quarterback because that's their CEO.
That's so they're entrusting their organization in with. But it's
I think it just it just puts that puts things
in perspective. And uh and I'm I'm blessed that that
I have more eyes looking at me from a family
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perspective to help me be a better quarterback. Because one
of my my trainer, he says it all the time.
He said, a Jamie's being a better quarterback won't make
you a better man, but being a better man to
make you a better quarterback. And uh and I and
I and I know I'm a testing that to that.
You know, when you talk about starting each morning giving
your glory to God, is there a particular scripture that
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you like to start the day with. Well, No, I
read a proverb. I read a proverb every day, and
I read a psalm every day. Um. Right now, I'm
just scrolling through the Old Testament. I'm actually a little bidicous.
And that's very uh focuses on details of the tabernacle.
So I'm I'm just focused on that. But I try
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to try to spend fifteen and thirty minutes every morning
as soon as I wake up outside uh, just you know,
just in the Bible studying. But but I'm most likely
I'm gonna read a proverb to day. Uh and and
I'm gonna read a song all day. My favorite verses
I can do all things through Christ respects me. And
that's Philippians four thirteen. Uh. And that's that's probably a
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lot of people's uh favorite verse. Um, but I really
believe in that. Javis said one of the since you know,
the change gears just a little bit too. We're in
this season until to speak, Um, we find out this
week and the Trevor Lawrence, the presumptive number one pick,
is not gonna go to the draft. And I remember
the first time we got. We're at your house in
Bessemer on draft day. It was great, Jim, all the
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community and family and and everything contenuous to being pulled
in fifteen million different directions, fishure and every thing. But
but what about you opting not to go to the
draft that you're in and to be you know, I
think it was at your grandparents house, to be there
with your family and to have that and and how
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that might have been different than if you were I
don't even know whether the draft was held that year,
but New York, New York or whatever. But what about
you making that decision? And do you have any regrets?
So to speak? Yeah, it was from my family. It
was for my grandmother. Was actually held at um uh
Dr Hobbies House, one of my mentors. But but I
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had to be there for my grandma. My grandmother couldn't travel.
And like I was, like I talked about about five
minutes ago, and I've been playing quarterback my entire life,
and these are the people that have been that they
were with me. I love fans, We thrive on fans,
but those fans haven't been with me since I was
four years old, was trapping up to play football. You know,
my family was my grandmother was My grandmother was the
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first person to payton put some touchdowns, right, five dollars
of touchdown? So what I owed it? Many system Javis?
Come on, now, we had to get some centers out there, man,
we had to. We had to make some plays. Lily litly,
football is real in Alabama. That's true, it is. That's
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all we got. What was the most you ever made?
And did you walk home with at least twenty dollars verified?
Oh yeah, I didn't put something up on a lot
of teams some touchdown, Yeah, five dollars every age probably
every aged up the spectrum. Uh really, Jim, I didn't.
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I didn't get the centivize in centivize on my folks.
I scored touchdowns because I didn't scored you then as
didn't put seven up, put seven up in the game
on that seving up in a season, let alone the game.
Oh man, So and talking about it again because we're
kind of in draft season when you see all this
stuff going on with these young quarterbacks. Rights, we think
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Trevor is gonna go number one, But now you see
the Niners making a big trade last week to move
up to draft a quarterback. We're seeing all this stuff
Jared goff and traded for Matthew Stafford. With all of
this quarterback movement going on, even with you decided to
stay in New Orleans, what does that say kind of
about the NFL? Like how desperate teams are you reference
it to find that franchise quarterback? And what about what's
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going on leading into this draft in season at the
quarterback position. Yeah, I think we got some some good
young guys coming in. But at the same time, like
those good young guys, they're coming up from my spot, right,
so that that that's a ring for me, Like, Okay,
you're coming in. I'm happy that you're training. I'm proud.
Like I hit up Justin Fields the other day, just
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checking on him, seeing how this training was going. But
at the end of the day, I'm pulling for Justin Fields.
But the day I gotta be pulling for myself too,
because I'm out here competing for a job. I gotta
I gotta go get me a spot. Down there in
the walls, right, So it's it's it's competitiveness. Like that's
the thing about the NFL that's different than every other
major sport, uh, is two undred five guys are getting
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drafted for someone else's position. They're coming in to the NFL,
not to a d league, not to minor leagues, not
to a low level league. They're coming in to play
for the NFL. And when you put a QB in
front of that, if you're drafted in the early rounds,
you're coming in with an expectation with your play. So
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not so now it's not oh this guy. You know,
every so often, you know, they have a guy that's like, hey,
he's coming in to learn behind this guy, But not
that often do you have guys that are coming in
from college, uh, to learn. They're coming in to change
the organization. You know, Jamie, I'm curious. I have a
love hate relationship with the draft. I love that these
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young men get the opportunity to realize their dreams, but
I hate that we create stories out of things that
aren't stories. Oh my god, excuse me, guys getting it
picked over, I mean, whatever it is. And I just wondered, truthfully,
speaking from your standpoint, what is that process like where
no matter how successful you've been, all of a sudden,
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people are bringing up things that really are not an issue,
you know, in some hopes that you'll fall to them.
You know, so individually are personally speaking, What is that
process really like for a player? What what when anyone
talks about you know, pride in reputation, they talk about
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their last name, you know, what do they stand for?
They always make like I'm gonna representative name on the
back of my back of my shirt. Right. But at
the end of the day, when you add all this,
I call it this drama. Right, you can damage someone's name,
especially with social media, like if anything could if something
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goes over the bottom of a ticker, like it doesn't
even have to be true, but it could. It could
damage your entire outlook or someone's entire outlook on you
because they're just putting it across the tick the ticker
for two or three hours, but people are really taking
it like, oh, he's really that type of person without
even meeting the human being. I think sometimes when people
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look at NFL athletes, they view the Tom Brady's, the
JJ Watts, the Thomas Davis. You know the people of
that like those are grown men, those older men, but
these are mally kids that are coming into this league.
These aren't grown men yet like you have. You have
a few that are, you know, fifth year seniors, but
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you've got a lot of twenty year olds that's that's
coming and coming out early. Who who they're young men,
but they're not grown men yet. So for the world
to hold them to their standard, and I know to
who much is given, much is required. But for the
world to hold them to a standard that they don't
even set up to, right, that they can't even look
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back at their track record and say, man, I had
a completely clean slate, right. People need to realize, like, hey,
if if you had a video recorded in your face
for everything that you do, you might have a couple
of scars and stuff too. But man, I hope that
we can do away with it. I know that it's
gonna be tough because everyone's looking for that for that story.
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But I just I just pray for these kids, man,
that they stay focused on what they're doing. Right. God
God put us there for a reason. We have this
opportunity for a reason, and we gotta focus on that.
Opportunity because all the stuff, all the outside voices, when
you allowed them to really make a difference on your life,
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it affects everything those that you do, It affects every
way that you move. So I would just encourage, you know,
anybody with outside voices or any outside mama uh that's
surrounding them, just stay focused on the goal. Uh, stay
focused on your process, because as a young man, you're
still like when your goal should be. You know, I
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want to be a great man, right, I want to
be my my I want to be a kingdom man.
And I know that's not gonna happen overnight. Like I
have to do things. I have to strive to do
things that sometimes I don't want to do every single
day so that I could become that man that I
want to be. You brought up justin fields, and I
feel like he's getting some of that now, where all
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of a sudden, regardless of the success that he has had,
people are trying to tear him down a little bit
in terms of either his game or something that they
don't talk about. And we this all the time. I'm
wondering your conversations with him, what are those like? And
how is he feeling. Yeah, my my, my, My main
focus when I'm when I'm speaking with him, And it's
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not like I talked to him every day, right, I
just checked in for him occasionally. But my main focus is, man,
what is he doing to to help him be the
best quarterback he can be. Like one of my courses like, hey,
are you getting mental work as well as physical work?
Because yeah, your quarterback? But do are you studying plays? Right?
Are you going over concepts with your quarterback coach? Are
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you working on this transition that's gonna come when you're
in the NFL? Because right now, in this in this
like dead period, you know, teams that bring you in
for certain interviews and different things like that, they put
you on the board, But it's different when you're on
the board and then you gotta take the board to
the field and then executed on that same day. Right
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and now with the virtual stuff, virtual stuff, sometimes you're
not even now they're taking away that opportunity for you
to go in learn the scheme, and go and execute
the scheme because right now you're just learning, like you
don't even have your guys that's around you to go
out there on the field and work with them. So
the main thing I pushed to him is making sure
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that he's getting just as much mental work as he
is physical because he's he's talented, he's gifted with a
lot of unique abilities. But I'm like, I have to learn.
Like even last year, I thought, Man, you know, I'm
I'm a student of the game. You know I stay
on top of my situational football. I'm making sure that
i'm i'm I'm picking out Tennessees that the defense is doing.
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But even to a higher level, we have to be
ready for the play before the play even happens. We
have to be mentally prepared before anything is ever shown
to us. And I'm just shaying with with with uh
with justice, like, man, hey, make sure you're getting that
mental prep too, champions, because he walked in the shoes. Though,
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it does seem, especially when it comes to draft time,
when it comes to black quarterbacks, and it may be
completely inadvertent, with the color of their skin, they seem
to be torn down more show than white quarterbacks. We're
here on justin fields. He wasn't consistent tray lance, he
didn't play that many game, he didn't play against that
top level compet But we have not heard those things
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about some of the white quarterbacks were at the top
of the draft. And you know, if someone who's been
in their shoes, do you say that to them specifically? Like, Hey,
as a black quarterback, you're gonna hear some things and
people are gonna come at you and it pick over
you a little bit different than they do with white quarterbacks. Well, no,
I I don't. I don't even put that in there
in there in their mind, right. I think when you
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when you grow up a black quarterback, it's already understood
that you be three times four times better than our counterparts, period. Right.
I remember them making a story about my forty times,
like just because I'm a black quarterback and I run
a slow forward, the times, I still than you boys
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on the field. Right, When when have we talked about
forty times with quarterbacks? Like? Is that? Is that? Is
that a new thing? Like is Tom Brady run? When
the Tom braid to start running a sub for four?
Like I'm trying, I'm trying to see when did this
become a thing? But you gotta know, and I say
this to who much has given? Much is required? You know, Steve,
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I grew up in the air in the air where
we had Aaron Brooks down South before Drew Brees came.
We had Steve McNair in Tennessee, we had Byron Left
which in Jacksonville, we had Michael Vick in Atlanta. Right,
that's four quarterbacks. We had Dante Cold Prepper latd his
career in Miami. That's five quarterbacks in my five African
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American quarterbacks in my region. So I knew as a
quarterback growing up, like if they got there, I know
I can get there, right, But I knew that it
took an extra it took them an extra element for
them to be able to to you know, it took
Byron Left, which having that broke lead for him to
be able to get thrown into, you know, the top
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ten of his draft. Like this man was putting up
crazy and nowners. But I remember as a kid and
talking about buying Left which until Marshall game when he
broke his leg, Like they show how courageous he was
then and he asked who was he was against? What's
his name? What he what against? David Gerard Ecu like
they went against each other, like man, Like I saw
that growing up, and that's something that you always say,
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I knew that because I played baseball and I hear
that all the time. But I knew that if I
was going to be a baseball player, that I had
to be ten times better than the next than the
next position, or the next male or whatever. But man,
I don't even put this in these kids, head man,
because it's understood. Right when I'm at my camps and
I have young black quarterbacks, I'm gonna outwork them. I'm
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gonna overwork them because I know what it takes to
get there. I know it's gonna take that elite mental
state as what is that physical state. Because we always
have the speed, we always have the n armstrength. We
got to continue to work on how we beat these
people with our minds because they're trying to find a
way to beat us with what they with their minds.
I mean, and it's great to hear, you know, because
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you and I have a certain era where there weren't
five black quarterbacks in a certain region of the country.
There were, I mean, look I grew up, was it.
Vince Evans was a black quarterback for the Bears. James
Harris was a black quarterback rams you know, Shack Harris
and Joe Gilliam had a cup of coffee as a
starter for the Pittsburgh Steelers and and so it's it's
just awesome to hear you see you at least say
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you had role models, right everything you still have to Yeah, Marl,
I'm not that old. But Jamis knows the history, right, Doug.
I mean, but Jamison and I love that. Well, we
gotta get ready to to button these things up. So Jim,
just it's been so interesting hearing you know your your
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development and your approach and again that decision you know,
the decision based things that the results based th in
was was so great to hear. What is your mentality?
Knowing that it's gonna ar the conversation again you going
into the season, isn't Jamis Winston the Saints quarterback, Jamis
Winston competing to be the same quarterback? Yeah, I think
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that's that's part of the game, the competitive miss part period. Um,
every year I go in, uh knowing that I have
to outcompete every other person on the team because I
am the quarterback. Um, now, I think it's gonna make Honestly,
I really believe it's gonna make taste and I better
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when I was in the same situation and in high
school in macgrade. Yeah, I was going against Wayne Carroll.
I know here a little that, but it made us better. Um.
I know how Tasting is as a quarterback. I know
how I am as a quarterback. But I believe us
going against each other, well, but I don't know how
to uh you know, how they're gonna do the reps
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and stuff like that. You know, I just know I'm
ready to play, and I know it's gonna push us
both to an elite level. And you saw with Drew
and tast somehow how tough it made teams to plan
for the Saints when you had another quarterback that was
able to do the things that Taste Tasso does. But
when we talk about when we talk about the competitiveness part,
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Steve like, that's just ball, Like, that's that's how my
mentality is. I'm just focused on ball and how I'm
gonna get this offense, how I'm gonna master this offense,
and how are we gonna win games? Like that? That
is it? Um the was there ever any consideration to
doing a multi year or was this always gonna be
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a one year? I just want I really just wanted
to a one year I want to see, Uh, if
a team would just give me an opportunity to show
what I can do and then we'll think because man,
like I've been in this league, Like it's that thing
like and I'm so proud of that. It's nothing like
when the team said, Amy, we're gonna commit to you
right here. Here you go, like, we believe in you.
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Let's give you four years. Let's give you this extension.
Because now that's when you're together, that's when it appears
to be your together. That can a commitment to you, right,
And that's what trust, That's what relationships are really creative, right,
because that's now what you're like, Okay, you believe in me. Okay,
I got you right. So, um, I just wanted one
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year a man to show, to show that that I
can be in the elite quarterback, that I will protect
the football and uh, and that I'm ready. I'm a CEO, man,
I'm ready to lead a leader team, lead, ready to
lead an organization and lead it to community, to happiness
really and then get a chance to cash in right
when these TV deals kick in, right exactly. That that's
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that's something man. Play football for twenty years and then
cash in and just talk about football when the remainder
there you go. Hey, well, Jamis Man, we want to
wish you the best of luck and we really appreciate
you taking the time. Remember you said you're gonna make
time for us. You know you gotta busy studges. We're
gonna circle back during the season of Holly at you again.
All right, hey man, you know I'm gonna be there
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for y'all. I'm so I'm so glad that I'm able
to be a part of the process that you guys
have in too African American brothers, running y'all podcast and
dominating years of experience in this sports where in the
end the game that I love in this NFL business.
So absolutely, man, I'm blessed to be a part of
what you guys got going on. So I appreciate you all.
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Make sure see me when I'm hostling and flow T shirts.
See there we go. It's coming your way, coming your way.
He's our mark ingram to Lamar Jackson. Man, he's that
hype man. I feel you. Man, Hey, we gotta we
gotta hype each other up. Man. We can't be taying
each other down. We got an act well, James Man again,
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good luck to you and and appreciate you one more time.
Steve just such an interesting guy. And from my standpoint, um,
from a football standpoint, I believe this is this is
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the best marriage Jamis Winston could have in terms of
a coach and a play caller and a play designer,
because Sean Payton has shown a willingness and an ability
to adjust his play design and his play calls to
the talent of his quarterback, the skill set of his quarterback.
We saw him do it with Teddy Bridgewater. We saw
him do it with Taysom Hill. We saw both those
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players have success when Sean did that. And that's why
I'm fascinated to see how this marriage between Jamison Sean
is going to work. And I know I'm getting ahead
of myself. I know that that that the Saints have
said this is an open competition between Taysom and Jamis,
but I firmly believe that Jamis is the guy who
ultimately is going to be the starter. So I'm expecting
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Jamis to win it. I'm expecting a beautiful marriage between
Jamis and Sean, and I'm fascinated to see what those
numbers are going to look like yeah, because one thing,
you know, we heard even from Sean on the podcast,
from some of his teammates, Jamie has got the boom
in the arm, right, He's got an explosive this in
his arm that Taysom Hill Andrew don't have, and not
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just on the deep ball, but just on any ball
that ball can get there. So I think for Sean
to have a quarterback now who's got that rocket arm,
who can do some of the things, and if Jamis
can contain the risk element that he was talking about
himself right there, they could have something really different and
really special with some of the things Shan likes to
do with his offense, Cheney personnel every play and things
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like that. So it's gonna be very fascinating just to
see how this goes. Because if Jamis doesn't get it,
we know he's gonna be the career backup. But if
he does get it, he's gonna be hot on the
market for a lot of other teams, even though the Saints,
whose salary cap situation will be better than was this year,
will have an opportunity to sign him long term. Let me,
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I still find it fascinating that a guy I could
throw for fifty yards and the three touchdowns even with
the interceptions, and have only one team really make them
a legitimate offer, even it's a low ball offer like
the Saints did. I look at a guy like Ryan
Fitzpatrick who puts up these yards and touchdowns sometimes but
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also has a turnover history, and there's always one team
every year that's willing to give whatever it has to
give to have him come in and be the starting
quarterback for that that given season. Why isn't Jamie supported
that same thing? It It kind of blows my mind
a little bit, to be honest with you. We're talking
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when we say fifty one hundred yards. We're not talking
three thousand yards or four thousand und you know, that's
where you lead the league. That's that's crazy to me, man,
that that there were only three teams and only one
made a legitimate offer, you know, and even if it
was a low money offer, that's just it's it's so much,
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so much of the perception, so much of it is
a grape fine conversation among these NFL front offices. And
that's a shame. I mean, you look at even the contracts.
I mean, to his credit, you know, he's getting ten
million dollars this year to be up in Washington, cam
Newton's inn, a backup quarterback contract, you know, to to
go back to New England. So it's it's, uh, you know,
it's interesting to see how these dynamics go and where
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where team's heads are when it comes to this. Jim,
I don't want to let it slide this week too,
since we are coming up on this time of year
that this we we are just more than well. This week,
the trial, the second and third to be murder trial
of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Shauvin is taking place.
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Um and you know, first off, I don't want anybody
of our journalistic pedigree to ever refer to this as
a George Floyd murder trial. George Floyd has been murdered.
This is a Derek Shauvin murder trial, so let's make
sure to always keep this in fact. But that was
also the straw, seemingly that that you know, got into
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people's consciencenes and got these athletes and got these leagues
and got a lot of people in the streats. Now
we have to see if there's gonna be changed him,
because even if he's convicted on the little serious charge.
He's only going to serve between ten and fifteen years, Okay,
And it sucks though that we have to say, that's
that's the that's the justice we have to deal with.
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Right if he gets this, right, if a jury, if
they can find a jury to convicted police officer, um
that he's gonna get fifteen years for the murder for
black man that we all witnessed on tape that didn't
have to happen, and that we have to say, well,
you know, we have to. We have to accept what
we have to accept because that's the way it's written.
It's kind of tough, but I just can't in this
moment not mentioned that the Derek Shauvan murder trial started
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this week in Minneapolis, and and that hopefully everyone's gonna
be paying as much attention to this as they did
to the horrific murder of George Floyd. You know, Steve,
I'd like to be confident that there's gonna be justice,
but I simply can't be confident. Not I'm not. And
and we can go back to the early nineties with
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Rodney King and when you see a video like that, um,
where in my opinion. There simply is no justification for it,
and officers can walk. I'd like to be confident that
they'll be justice here, but um, I'm just not. I'm
not I'm not either. Well, you know, and again that
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would that would not be good. That would not be good.
But you know, Jim, I think right now, until we
see it, we see it. Well. On that note, man,
why don't you go ahead and bring his home. Yeah,
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on the ones and twos, he completes the puzzle. Jim,
We've got a really excellent show today. We've got Jamis Winston,
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the quarterback in New Orleans Saint ann and we want
to get him on a little bit because there's just
so many interesting things about his story that we want
to just you know, find out about and enlighten ourselves
and the audience too. Yeah, and you know, Jami's, uh,
it seems like he's been around forever, but it's only
what he's entering his seventh year. Um, maybe it's going
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back to knowing him from college plan so early there
and whatnot. But you know, I've always found it to
be a fascinating guy, and in some ways I'm curious,
you know, I really want to hear from him about
how teams view him. The fact that you could be
a number one overall pick, the fact that you could
throw for fifty yards and thirty three touchdowns and yet
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only several teams even reach out to you in free
agency because you also threw thirty picks that year. There's
a lot of talent there, and you would have to
think that that um, there should have been a broader
market for him than just three teams reaching out to him. Yeah,
and we heard Sean Payton, the Saine coach, on the
podcast a couple of months ago tell us about that
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talent of Jamis Winston. And also, you know, look, we're
gonna talking to him about being the man for his
whole life and now all of a sudden having one
scout team offense. I mean, that's that's a huge, huge change.
Which just since we're talking about quarterbacks and we'll hit
that with Jamison just a minute. Things you're really perking up,
you know, with with this quarterback market, especially as we're
getting closer to the draft. We saw the Niners make
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the huge Friday moving from twelve to three, you make
that move to draft a quarterback. I was at Jack
Wilson's Prota b y U until John Lynch was there,
and you know, we spoke about this and he said, look,
the first phone call we made, what Jimmy Garoppolo saying, Jimmy,
you're still gonna be our guy. You're still on our plans. Uh.
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I can't take that one to the bank there, Jim
I can't see how you're gonna trade it from twelve
to three, knowing the expectation of quarterback taking third. Overall,
Jimmy is not Aaron Rodgers, right. This is not Jordan's
Love and Aaron Rodgers here. I think Jimmy has gone
before the draft. And whether it be Tray Lance or
whether it be Justin Field, that's who the Niners are
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gonna rock with at their quarterback in I'll say this
to you, Steve, I would not be shocked if Jimmy
were gone before the draft, but I also would not
be shocked if he were still around before the draft. Look,
the reality is we know Trevor Lawrence is gonna go
number one. The expectation is that that Zack Wilson is
gonna go number two to the Jets. So now you say,
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at number three, who will it be. There is a
belief among many scouts that I talked to that both
Justin Fields and Tree Lance Um need a little development time.
And for these people who say that Mac Jones from
Alabama will go number three, that's not what I'm hearing.
Um and Kyle understands where the game is going. Um,
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go back and listen to his press conference after the
Buffalo Bills and johnsh Allen beat them last season, and
what he had to say about John Allen. There when
you have an opportunity to get a quarterback who is
a dual threat guy who can move and throw well
off of the move, which is critical. Um, that was
not Mac Jones game in terms of throwing off the
move outside the pocket. So I don't see the marriage
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that some are talking about there um. But what it
tells you is that whoever it is, the forty nine
are strongly believe and I shouldn't say the forty niners.
I should say Kyle Shanahan strongly believes that this is
a player who can lead this team for the next
decade or more. And otherwise you don't make this deal.
You don't give up, you don't swap ones and and
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give up two number ones in the three um, if
you don't believe that. And for those who try and
say they think, well, maybe he's going to get the
top defensive guy or an offensive tackle, you don't make
that feel. You know, you don't come from that far back,
that far up to basically try to lead frog all
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these other teams. You're gonna try to get up to
take a quarterback to take a detail. You hear this
crazy stuff during this time of year, and this is
why I have to stay off social media a little
bit because the stuff is just absurd. And I get
that it's draft time and people there's so much interest
in this, but some of the stuff that gets thrown
out there, You're just like, where is this coming from?
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You know? And just wait, Jim, we got we got
almost a full another month, almost a full month or
more of it to happen. So it's it's gonna be
a whole lot of uh, you know, stuff up against
the wall by who flung do um? You know, coming
up all over the place. Well, we're gonna talk to
these quarterbacks with Jamis Winston and you know it's it's
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I'm so eager because I've always found it fascinating Jim,
like you said, just a fascinating dude. Um who who
I'm really hoping for? You know, I really would love
to see a quarterback go through what he's gone through
to find his traction again, kind of like call Ryan
Tannehill did in Tennessee and we see how great of
a story that is and how he was able to
cash in and to make the Titans A a a perennial
playoff contender. So on that note, Jim, let's go ahead
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and bringing our special guests Jamis Winston. All right, j D.
Now we are joined by our special guest, Jamis Winston. Jamis,
Welcome to the Huddle on Flow podcast. Hey, Steve, jam blessed,
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blessed to be on here with you guys. Good to
see man. How's life It's great? Uh. Today I woke
up to take my son to school. He had a
little sniffle, so they said we can't bring him in.
So I enjoyed doing the early hours of school with
my son. Hey, he now he knows if he don't
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want to go to class, he's gonna that that won't
That won't happen. That won't happen because I know he
enjoys the playground. We're doing workouts, we're doing soccer, we're
doing football stuff back there. So I'm pretty sure he
enjoys playing with the early kids more. James, life is
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like now that it's uh, it's officially you're gonna have
an opportunity now to compete for that starting job in
New Orleans. It's it's just back to that hunger. I
think that's the that's the main part. Um. There's so
much cones with being a strong quarterback in the NFL. UH.
And you know that opportunity got taken away from me
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uh last year. So I had a place of humility.
You got a chance to learn from Drew and UH.
This league, it is very few in between where you
get another opportunity like this. So I'm just grateful that
I get that, and I'm doing my my very best
to prepare and make the most of You know, it's
interesting you say got taken away from you last year.
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Why do you think that is. I mean, you're coming
off a season where you threw for fifty one hundred
yards thirty three touchdowns. Why was there not more of
a market for Jami's Well, it was the it was
the interceptions. Uh. And and that's how I see it
from UM, just a competitive part, you know, from a
team oriented part. Just the turnovers and UH. Teams have
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to believe that they that they can trust you. And
I've been at that organization Tampa for a good minute. UH.
Developed great friends there in that building, UH, inside and
outside you know, in the community. But when you turn
the football over and you're not winning games. Um, they
find a way to get you out of there. I'm curious, James,
from that standpoint, hundred yards and thirty three testdowns is
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a lot, even if you got thirty picks. I mean,
for you number one pick five years in Tampa. How
many teams actually approached you that off season? Man? Last offseason? Yeah, Man,
I can probably count on three fingers and that and
that's it. You know, the Saints were really the only
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team to come at me with actual legitimate offer. Every
other team wanted me to wait. I wanted to see how,
you know, how the draft was. The Saints would only
team to uh really Sean. When Sean called me and said, hey, man, hey,
we we believe in you. I mean, I know it
ain't much. We can't give you much, but uh that's
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it says a lot. And I was like, you're right, coach,
that's that does say a lot. Uh. So, I mean,
soon as soon as they called, I was like, man,
I want a opportunity. Um, I know, I'm I'm I'm
find a way. I'm an my way back up to
being a stern quarterback. But I believe that this is
the best fit for it to be. Like I didn't
oppose uh, standing standing Tampa. That was an option, uh,
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to learn from Brady, but but get a chance to
go right down the road being a city like New Orleans. UM,
I guess three more, three hours closer to home, but
that that really doesn't make a difference. Uh. It just
it just felt great to know that a team wanted
me to be their quarterback, so uh, I had definitely
go with them. You know, I'm curious you used to
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you used the word humility. I'm wondering how humbling was
that And was there a part of you that was
even angry that so few teams were interested? You know
I was. I was angry, angrier at myself for basically
putting myself in this situation. I believe because I know
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that I could play quarterback at a high level. And
I just felt like last season was such like anomaly,
Like it's just like I didn't know what was was
going on at times like this year. Last year, like
I watched my turnover tape over the past five years,
just over and over and over, and that year that
stood out to me. Uh. And it may have been
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because of the new offense. It may because I was
trying to go out there improve it. Maybe because I
was playing for a lot, but it just it still
poses me to this day and all I'm trying to
do is focused on eliminating that and uh and what
I came up with. It's a lot of players that, um,
and the course of being an NFL quarterback, there are
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a lot of players where when you have talent, you
said I can do this, I can do that, but
really learning how to manage the game. I never wanted
to be deemed a game management manager, you know what
I'm saying. People always called me a gun sleep slinger.
You know, in high school they even called me a
dual threat quarterback. But I always grew myself as a
pocket passer, uh and a guy that can stretch the
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ball down the field. Uh. But really, that game management
not a bad piece. That's something that I think just
comes with being a professional quarterback. Being able to not
just only do the things that you can do, but
being able to do the things that you should not do,
like what not to do versus what can I do? So?
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And in the season that you spent under Sean and
learning from Drew, did you see that aspect of your
game change, even though it's only in those you know
that the partial game that you got to playing in
in practice, did you feel anything different about your games
saying turnovers are going away because I'm doing this better.
Just decisions like it wasn't it wasn't hey, Uh, like
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because I'm a competitive guy, Like it wasn't Hey, I'm
about to go over there and go at Marshall and
Alattimore five times in a row just because that's marshatn
a lotta Moore and I got Mike Mike Thomas right,
and I'm trying to put fear in Marshaw and Alattimore's hard.
But it was not just the decision. Was it the
right decision? Like watching practice, watching Drew, did you make
the right decision? Uh? And over of course at the time,
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those things that up. And that's what one of the
biggest things I learned from him is, Hey, James, we're
gonna be decision oarranted, Like we're not being result results oriented,
because when you get result oriented, you're always looking for
that big play. You're always looking for that that big bang.
Was his decision oriented? A right decision could be taken
us at the right decision could be throwing the ball away. Uh.
If we played the game, just making it making sure
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throughout the course of the whole the entire game, not
just the first quarter, not just the second quarter, not
just the third quarter, but throughout the entire game. Every
minute we make the right decisions, we'll put our team
up in a in a better position to win a
football game. That that's interesting because I've I've never heard that,
you know, because we say this is a results oriented
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business and you're saying you learned this is a decision
oriented process that you were going through. Had you heard
that before, because I mean I frankly had not. We're
not making good decisions, but it's always results oriented that's
pushed to us. Steve, I've never I've never really heard that,
you know. Uh, I think I was took from netbook
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and I'm like, I mean, you you say we're not
making decision based on asults, but look at your numbers,
Drew like it ain't like you putting the baby numbers
like you you're five quarterback every year, like you know.
But he went like, He's like, it's because of decisions
like they like and I saw it like this, the
team trust him right, Sean, trust him right? If if
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Sean makes a bad play play called he trusts that
Drew is gonna, you know, make it better, you know
what I'm saying, And I think that's that's a that's
a huge part of just playing the game is when
you got a quarterback, you gotta coach and they trust
each other. That allows a lot of other stuff to
to happen, to roll with the way that it should.
You know, Jame's this may sound silly, but I'm wondering,
did you learn more in one year under Sean and
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Drew than you did in five years in Tampa? I
think I learned. The reason I learned so much from
Drew and Sean this is because my focus was on
learning from Sean and Drew over the past, over the
course of my other like my fo was on being
uh the starting quarterback leading the team. Uh. So I've
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learned different things from a leadership style, and I learned
different things about myself over the course of my six
six year career. But I've learned so much just from
the quarterback position of being able to watch Drew work,
watch Drew communicate with Sean. Like that's one big thing
that I really believe that I didn't do a good
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enough job with my other coordinators and my coaches was
communicating to them, being able to to bring them. Actually
what what I like, you know, having having coaches being
receptive to you coming in with the play and us
actually putting that thing in, you know, and just seeing
how that continuity uh was built in that organization with
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Sean and Drew. Uh, it just was it was exciting.
It was exciting to see that type of relationship because
that's the type of relationship that that I want with
my coordinator and my head coach. You know, one thing
I know about Bruce arians and said he's tough to
play for man, particularly early and particularly on quarterbacks. For you,
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what was that relationship like? And because what I've always
heard from folks is with be A, you gotta earn
his trust to become a b A guy. What was
it like playing man? It was actually my last my
last year Temple was one of my funniest years in
that city with the organization. Uh, mainly because b like
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b A, is very outspoken, but you know, he he
is who he is. And I've known b A since
I was thirteen years old, so I've known him for
a route while. Uh, just because his his time spent
in Birmingham, but I enjoyed playing for him. I really
enjoyed working with Byron left Which and Quiet Christensen. I
felt like that I learned so much from them. Uh.
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That was the first time when I actually got a
chance to to feel comfortable with my offensive coordinator in
terms of being able to have like these type of
conversations with them, right. I think Byron helped me open
that door and to really, hey, man, I need to
I need to really be able to communicate with my
o C, my quarterback coach to let them know, uh
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that this is what I want, not necessarily like looking
at the office of coordinator like hey, why why do
we have this in this week? Like I really don't
want that. Let's scratch that, instead of being like hey, okay,
I'm good with everything, just because it's like a like
I know I can do everything, but some stuff you
just don't need to do, Like some stuff you look
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at the game plan just like I don't want to
run that, Like why don't you run them? Well, because
I threw a pick on the same play two games ago,
Like I don't want to run that play. So being
able to just process and eliminate uh, for yourself, but
being able to have a coard relationship with your O C.
What's your quarterback coach, to tell them exactly what you want.
And I think that that that came from a maturation process, uh,
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and that came from that's a comfort process with Clyde,
Christen and Byron just being able to be with them.
So I think that's one thing that BA did bring
to that organization is just that that that openness, like, Hey,
we're gonna talk, We're gonna communicate with you because I
need to know what you guys need for us to
be successful. And I definitely saw that after the year
went on with our team, even my last year attemptle
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of just how like people we were really grasping on
to be a way um and going out there and
executing jam Is. I'm curious about this. There's a thing
you don't want to be the man to follow the man,
and yet in New Orleans you're the man who's following
the man's pressure a burden. It's a lot of it's
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a lot of responsibility that comes with that. Because Drew
Brees is one of the greatest quarterbacks that played this game,
not just New Orleans best quarterback all time is one
of the greatest quarterbacks to play this game. Uh. So
it's a lot of responsibility that comes comes with that. Um.
But I'm excited and I embraced that challenge being able
to have the opportunity to compete for that torch. Uh.
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And you better believe I'm I gotta get that like
my my family. No, I gotta get that torch. I'm
doing everything I can uh to get that torch. Um.
So I'm just excited for that. But man, like jim
one thing, if I adn't learned nothing, I know that
it's all about my process. It's a day to day thing.
What I'm doing today is gonna translate to what I'm
doing in August September for the remainder of the football season.
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So I'm just taking it day by day and applying
myself so that I'm ready when it's time the world.
Jimmy said, No, I know we're talking about replacing Drew now.
But Sean was on the podcast a couple of months
ago and he said part of the recruiting pitch that
they gave to he was like, yeah, maybe we don't
have the money, but where else you can have an
opportunity to possibly step in for a quarterback and his
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last year. I mean, did you start thinking, Okay, this
is it for Drew. Do you think, Okay, I can
replace him and be the starter and get my starting
job back, or Okay, this is really gonna be a
challenging year. Knowing that I've got to work to possibly
replace a legend right well, one of the biggest things
for me and making this decision. I feel like this
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is the first time where I felt like um, kind
of like it was college um, where the money didn't matter.
It's where did you want to go? You know, who
had the best organization, who had the best defense, who
had the best offense, who had the best scheme for you?
And I think New Orleans just hit a hit all
those one you know, their division opponent. I haven't seen
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this defense over and over again, and this is a
defense that I that has given me trouble in the past.
Two I get to stay in the same division where
I didn't see these same type of players, these same
type coaches. Right so now I've already been playing team
these teams twice a year. Uh So why why get
out of that division and you know, get something new?
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I know, new head coaches and stuff like that, but
that played played a big role in case I had
to come in and step in for Drew if Drew,
if something like Drew went down last year, right, and
and it would have been an easier transition coming into
that division seeing the same teams, like because I know
how to win that division, I know how to play
teams in that division. Um. But being with being with Sean,
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like obviously when you gotta elite play card, Alkid is
an elite head coach, like shoot him and Bill Belichick
go out of every year, you know for who's the
best coach in the league. Right, and we got a
bunch of other great coaches too, But historically Sean, like
Sean of Sean, Marvin Lewis and Bill Belichick like the
longest tenure coaches for their team. So he's been doing
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it for for a good minute with the Saints. Uh So, yeah,
I think it was. It was a it was a
mixture of everything. Uh. One of my infatuation of obsession
with you know, how can I experience that continuity? How
do I get to to to see how it really
is supposed to work in the NFL instead of like
having the easy year in the year out. Uh, coordinators
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a year and year out. Uh, you know, coaches like
I want, I want, I want someone that's I want
to be somewhere so I can see how it's supposed
to be and now I know how to implement that
throughout the rest of my career. How was it also
dealing with the situation because Sean said, Okay, you're talking
if Drew got hurt in the middle of a game,
you were gonna go in, which we saw happened. But
he made a promise to taste him, that he was
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gonna get the first opportunity to start if Drew was
gonna be out for multiple games. How was it dealing
with that saying that, hey, man, in practice, I still
might be doing it this and that, but this was
a promise that was made to taste him, and I
just have to live with it and kind of go
with it from there. Yeah, when it comes to the
promise they made to taste some like it, Like I'm not,
that's none of my business, right, Like he made that
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decision to taste them before I even got there, right, So, like, yeah,
y'all haven to y'all stuff. But when it comes to
my preparation. I'm just like I'm I'm ready every week,
you know, because I I know one thing. I know
what it is to prepare for a game, right, So
I think that it was good that I brought that
to the team. Really, you know, I understood, like I
understood how drew schedule worked. I understood how to take
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some schedule work when he was the stern quarterback. I
was able to you know, lend a help in hand,
serve them in any way that they could. But I
also knew that I had my my routine already. I
knew how I was going to prepare and approach this
week as well. I think it just was great to
be able to to watch Drew prepare, to get it,
to actually be in some sessions Withdrew to see how
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he kind of viewed the game, to see how he
thought the team was gonna attack us, or how were
we going to attack our opponent. So I thought that
was very eye opening just to see because I I
would have thought that you know, that he was you know,
in there from four o'clock in the morning, uh to
you know, ten o'clock at night, But he really just
showed me how efficient he was and everything that he did,
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every everything that he did, whether he was you know,
having his business calls, whin he's watching film, was he
watching the situation of FIM, whether you know he had
some some pr to do with with with with the team,
like just everything he did was like hawkwork right and
and this and these are the things that he's talking
about in terms of decisions, Like every decision that he's
making throughout the day is adding up to the ultimate
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result that he's gonna want at the end of the day. Right.
So I'm seeing this in full emotion, not trying to
do it my own way, because, um, I've been thrown
into this. I was the the young prodigy, the number
one draft picks, So I'm learning how to do this, right.
I'm trying to trying to grasp from other veterans like
Jerry McCoy, Vincent Jackson, claim McDonald, Lewis Murphy, trying to
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get their routines and see like, hey, how do you
guys take care of your body? How do you guys
do this? How do you know what that? Stuff like that.
But now I'm with the quarterback that's showing me the way, right,
So I'm just sitting back I'm listening, and I'm just like, hey, uh,
this is something that I like that Drew does. Okay,
I'm gonna take that right. But if it's something that
I know that I wouldn't do, okay, well I still
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have to be Jameis Winston James. What's most important lesson
you learned from Drew? It goes to the decisions, um
is we're making plays based off this decision and not
the root and and I and I go back to
that because me, the player that I that I am,
that I've always been, was this this player like I
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try to light the scoreboard up, like I want, I
want to dominate the opponent. Uh and and that's just
our play. But it's a time and a place for that, right.
One thing that I learned just we were the first
time I realized, like how Drew the sole decision oarranted
we played played Oakland, um, and we went to Oakland,
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went to Vegas the first game in Vegas and we
got beat And you know, I was on the sideline,
you know, because everyone he's losing. So I ain't gonna
say that, but I'm gonna sideline. We're on too minute drill.
We've done a by two scores, and I'm just like,
we gotta push the ball down the field, Like, we
gotta move the ball, like, let's take some chances. Like
now is the time. I know we've been We've been decisions, decisions,
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but when we're losing, like, let's start moving the ball
down to Fieldt's take some chances. And Drew just was
he was just doing his job. He was just doing
his job right. And I was just like, man like
why didn't like why did he do this right? And
he was just like, man, I got my job to do.
My job is to put us in the best chance
to win the game. Like if I get out of
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my element and try doing things that I know that
I'm not gonna do, uh, things that I know that's
not me, then I'm not being me and I'm not
being the best player that I can be for this team.
So I just have to do what I have to do.
Everything else did they handle itself. And that was the
first time it was a loss, and I was just like,
I mean, well, did we want to lose? Like we're
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trying to come back, but you know, but understanding like
this is a part of the game, right, this game
didn't go our way, Like, I'm just like, hey, every
game gotta go our way, Like what, like, what what
are we talking about? But learning that from him seeing
that side, like, hey, it's too in the drill. We've
dined about two scores and this man he's just taking
what the defense is given him. It was unique for me.
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I was just like because we're trying to win, So
that was an experience I'm interested in in. We've got
four quarterbacks potentially five, they're saying that could be drafted
in the first round this year. What is Jamis Winston? No,
now that he wished he had known coming into this
league as a number one pick overall, What would you
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tell them if you were to sit down with them today,
I would tell them, you know, be the best quarterback
that you can be. And what I mean by that
is we spent our entire life, well I spent my
entire life, you know, wanting to be a professional football player,
and I played quarterback for the majority of that time
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in this sport. Once you get to the NFL, now
it's hey, we got this marketing thing for you. Hey,
let's we got this community for you. Hey, we got
this event over here for you where you you're you're
throwing so many different ways, and you're trying to be
the best at everything that you're doing. But you understand
like being the best quarterback at that given time, it's
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gonna allow me a better platform for everything else. I
feel like I I came into Tampa with the mindset
that I hate you know, I'm I'm I'm gonna let
this this, this community, uh you know, take me in.
I'm gonna give everything I got to this community. And
you know, football take care of itself. You know, Like
that's just what you see. Once you add those other things,
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whether it's the time, whether it's the money, where it's
the you know, different other voices that's in your life.
When they come in, you see how football starts weeding
out a little by little, and you're just like, man,
I've been preparing for this my whole my whole life.
I think I'm busy because I got all this other
stuff going on, but my focus needs to be on football.
So I'll tell the young guys, let's focus on football.
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Like that's why I tell myself, man, all like, yes,
it's great that the community, the community work is superb,
Like that's just your heart. You're gonna go do that regardless, right,
because you want to help the people, uh in the community,
But we have to Being a great football player is
gonna keep you in the community. It's gonna keep putting
that team, allowing that team to put you out there,
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right like your individual platform, like I can go back
to best, but they always gonna know who who I
am because I'm from that city, so I'm always can
can do stuff in my community. But this team, yeah,
they want you. They want to be able to, you know,
promote you in the community stuff. But they actually want
to be able to promote you as we're winning games
with this guy. This guy's is one of the top
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quarterbacks in the league. So I would tell the young guys, man,
focus on being the best quarterback that you can be.
Learn learn learn how to be a perfectionist, and that
before you start adding these little nicks and knacks to
your schedule that you don't know, it's taken away from
that energy. I put so much energy into everything because
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I'm a high energy person. I'm trying to get everybody
a hundred percent. But it's also comes to a point
where you have to focus on what got you there.
You have to focus on what is what is the
bell cow like, what is it making all this stuff go?
And that's because I'm Jami's wins in the quarterback, not
because I'm Jamis wants in the philanthropists, not because um
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Jamis Winson going kissing babies at church. It's because you're
on the football field and you're execute and that allows
you and even larger platform to go and do all
those things that from the bottom of your heart that
you're gonna do anyway. But you're always gonna make time
for huddling the flow, right absolutely? Man? Yeah, Hey, so
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so Jamis tell me this because you know there's there's
the big conversation going on, you know with the nflp
A saying hey, the offseas need to be virtual, and
other people say, hey, wh did you get these guys
on the field if there's all the medical clearance and
things like that. Were you competing with Tayson for a
starting job, would you prefer to have the on field
o t A in many camps as opposed to doing
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this virtually? Uh? Yeah, you know, as a as a
football player in general, you know, as an athlete in general,
I think we all enjoy, uh, with the majority of
us all enjoyed being around my teammates, uh, you know
during its time. But obviously this is this is not
these times aren't really normal, right, So we have to
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respect uh everything that's happened with the vaccinations, uh, every
all the protocols that that it takes with with COVID. UM.
Like I said, I'm dealing like with that with my son.
Like my my son has had COVID and he just
has a running notes like like last week was his
first week of school and they kicking him out of school.
I'm just like, he didn't get that on his own,
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like he got it from some kids in the building.
So we just have to be ready for anything. But me,
I want to be there with my team. I want
to really hone in get around these coaches. I really
want to get with with Sean and um and just
hone in on this on this offense one second, guy, please,
I'm sorry. All right, that's real life. That's somebody wants daddy.
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I love that, man. I got to y'all. So my
my new born he was napping, so he just woke up,
so mama, mama with him. No, you know what jamis
is a perfect segue um. First of all, congratulations, recently
celebrated your one year wedding anniversary, and I'm wondering, how
does how does married life, family life? How has it
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helped you? What impact has it had on you at
this point? Well, it's helped me a lot, especially man.
That's like last year. I say last year was humbling
because last year was hoping for a lot of us. Uh.
You know when when you have a nationwide pandemic, you
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know it's just I mean not nationwide, but a global pandemic.
It's it's tough on everybody, And it was tough on
me and breathe, but not able to have our family here,
Like I got a wife, she got a new born,
she's pregnant, and I got a two year old. We
we we don't have our family win New Orleans. Went
in this new city, uh, and we but were no
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so we we know, okay, at least we're gonna be
straight on food. But we're like, we don't know what
we're gonna go to eat. We don't know what we're
gonna do. We don't know we're gonna find the stuff
at So that was me and her one on wine.
It allowed us to ignore all the noise, all the
outside noise that was coming in. Uh that that she
may have been listened to, it that I may have
been listening to, Like that was eliminated because we were
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allowed to be around those people. It was only us,
us and our kids. So it showed me the importance
of making sure that I have things straight with my
household from a visual standpoint that I can't remind you,
like of the quarterback, like it helps me when I
go in the beld, Like, hey, I gotta focus on
this because at the end of the day, I know
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I have a whole another team that I gotta go
back and be the top notch for them. I gotta
be a dad. I gotta be the best man and
father that I possibly can be. Because now it's it's
bigger than me. It's way bigger than me. Uh It's
it's not now. It's not about making money by throwing
touchdowns or being benched for throwing interceptions. What's important is
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what we're actually giving our mind to, our family, our
faith right, making sure that I that that that I
I give the glory to God first in the morning,
like that that that is bar none. I have to
do that right, So I can be able to set
the foundation right for my family, and then like, how
am I gonna be able to set the foundation right
for this organization that's allowed me to be the quarterback.
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When you're the CEO of organization, everybody all eyes on you,
when you the dad, when you're the man of the house,
and all eyes on you. Right, my son, my son
not gonna be looking for his mama every given moment
when he when when he looked, he's with her all
the time. He's looking for dad. Where's daddy? Yet as
a as an NFL organization, like where's my quarterback at?
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Like we're looking for like every every year in the draft,
a team is looking for a quarterback because that's their CEO.
That's so they're entrusting their organization in with. But it's
I think it just it just puts that puts things
in perspective. And uh and I'm I'm blessed that that
I have more eyes looking at me from a family
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perspective to help me be a better quarterback. Because one
of my my trainer, he says it all the time.
He said, a Jamie's being a better quarterback won't make
you a better man, but being a better man to
make you a better quarterback. And uh and I and
I and I know I'm a testing that to that.
You know, when you talk about starting each morning giving
your glory to God, is there a particular scripture that
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you like to start the day with. Well, No, I
read a proverb. I read a proverb every day, and
I read a psalm every day. Um. Right now, I'm
just scrolling through the Old Testament. I'm actually a little bidicous.
And that's very uh focuses on details of the tabernacle.
So I'm I'm just focused on that. But I try
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to try to spend fifteen and thirty minutes every morning
as soon as I wake up outside uh, just you know,
just in the Bible studying. But but I'm most likely
I'm gonna read a proverb to day. Uh and and
I'm gonna read a song all day. My favorite verses
I can do all things through Christ respects me. And
that's Philippians four thirteen. Uh. And that's that's probably a
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lot of people's uh favorite verse. Um, but I really
believe in that. Javis said one of the since you know,
the change gears just a little bit too. We're in
this season until to speak, Um, we find out this
week and the Trevor Lawrence, the presumptive number one pick,
is not gonna go to the draft. And I remember
the first time we got. We're at your house in
Bessemer on draft day. It was great, Jim, all the
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community and family and and everything contenuous to being pulled
in fifteen million different directions, fishure and every thing. But
but what about you opting not to go to the
draft that you're in and to be you know, I
think it was at your grandparents house, to be there
with your family and to have that and and how
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that might have been different than if you were I
don't even know whether the draft was held that year,
but New York, New York or whatever. But what about
you making that decision? And do you have any regrets?
So to speak? Yeah, it was from my family. It
was for my grandmother. Was actually held at um uh
Dr Hobbies House, one of my mentors. But but I
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had to be there for my grandma. My grandmother couldn't travel.
And like I was, like I talked about about five
minutes ago, and I've been playing quarterback my entire life,
and these are the people that have been that they
were with me. I love fans, We thrive on fans,
but those fans haven't been with me since I was
four years old, was trapping up to play football. You know,
my family was my grandmother was My grandmother was the
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first person to payton put some touchdowns, right, five dollars
of touchdown? So what I owed it? Many system Javis?
Come on, now, we had to get some centers out there, man,
we had to. We had to make some plays. Lily litly,
football is real in Alabama. That's true, it is. That's
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all we got. What was the most you ever made?
And did you walk home with at least twenty dollars verified?
Oh yeah, I didn't put something up on a lot
of teams some touchdown, Yeah, five dollars every age probably
every aged up the spectrum. Uh really, Jim, I didn't.
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I didn't get the centivize in centivize on my folks.
I scored touchdowns because I didn't scored you then as
didn't put seven up, put seven up in the game
on that seving up in a season, let alone the game.
Oh man, So and talking about it again because we're
kind of in draft season when you see all this
stuff going on with these young quarterbacks. Rights, we think
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Trevor is gonna go number one, But now you see
the Niners making a big trade last week to move
up to draft a quarterback. We're seeing all this stuff
Jared goff and traded for Matthew Stafford. With all of
this quarterback movement going on, even with you decided to
stay in New Orleans, what does that say kind of
about the NFL? Like how desperate teams are you reference
it to find that franchise quarterback? And what about what's
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going on leading into this draft in season at the
quarterback position. Yeah, I think we got some some good
young guys coming in. But at the same time, like
those good young guys, they're coming up from my spot, right,
so that that that's a ring for me, Like, Okay,
you're coming in. I'm happy that you're training. I'm proud.
Like I hit up Justin Fields the other day, just
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checking on him, seeing how this training was going. But
at the end of the day, I'm pulling for Justin Fields.
But the day I gotta be pulling for myself too,
because I'm out here competing for a job. I gotta
I gotta go get me a spot. Down there in
the walls, right, So it's it's it's competitiveness. Like that's
the thing about the NFL that's different than every other
major sport, uh, is two undred five guys are getting
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drafted for someone else's position. They're coming in to the NFL,
not to a d league, not to minor leagues, not
to a low level league. They're coming in to play
for the NFL. And when you put a QB in
front of that, if you're drafted in the early rounds,
you're coming in with an expectation with your play. So
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not so now it's not oh this guy. You know,
every so often, you know, they have a guy that's like, hey,
he's coming in to learn behind this guy, But not
that often do you have guys that are coming in
from college, uh, to learn. They're coming in to change
the organization. You know, Jamie, I'm curious. I have a
love hate relationship with the draft. I love that these
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young men get the opportunity to realize their dreams, but
I hate that we create stories out of things that
aren't stories. Oh my god, excuse me, guys getting it
picked over, I mean, whatever it is. And I just wondered, truthfully,
speaking from your standpoint, what is that process like where
no matter how successful you've been, all of a sudden,
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people are bringing up things that really are not an issue,
you know, in some hopes that you'll fall to them.
You know, so individually are personally speaking, What is that
process really like for a player? What what when anyone
talks about you know, pride in reputation, they talk about
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their last name, you know, what do they stand for?
They always make like I'm gonna representative name on the
back of my back of my shirt. Right. But at
the end of the day, when you add all this,
I call it this drama. Right, you can damage someone's name,
especially with social media, like if anything could if something
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goes over the bottom of a ticker, like it doesn't
even have to be true, but it could. It could
damage your entire outlook or someone's entire outlook on you
because they're just putting it across the tick the ticker
for two or three hours, but people are really taking
it like, oh, he's really that type of person without
even meeting the human being. I think sometimes when people
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look at NFL athletes, they view the Tom Brady's, the
JJ Watts, the Thomas Davis. You know the people of
that like those are grown men, those older men, but
these are mally kids that are coming into this league.
These aren't grown men yet like you have. You have
a few that are, you know, fifth year seniors, but
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you've got a lot of twenty year olds that's that's
coming and coming out early. Who who they're young men,
but they're not grown men yet. So for the world
to hold them to their standard, and I know to
who much is given, much is required. But for the
world to hold them to a standard that they don't
even set up to, right, that they can't even look
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back at their track record and say, man, I had
a completely clean slate, right. People need to realize, like, hey,
if if you had a video recorded in your face
for everything that you do, you might have a couple
of scars and stuff too. But man, I hope that
we can do away with it. I know that it's
gonna be tough because everyone's looking for that for that story.
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But I just I just pray for these kids, man,
that they stay focused on what they're doing. Right. God
God put us there for a reason. We have this
opportunity for a reason, and we gotta focus on that.
Opportunity because all the stuff, all the outside voices, when
you allowed them to really make a difference on your life,
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it affects everything those that you do, It affects every
way that you move. So I would just encourage, you know,
anybody with outside voices or any outside mama uh that's
surrounding them, just stay focused on the goal. Uh, stay
focused on your process, because as a young man, you're
still like when your goal should be. You know, I
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want to be a great man, right, I want to
be my my I want to be a kingdom man.
And I know that's not gonna happen overnight. Like I
have to do things. I have to strive to do
things that sometimes I don't want to do every single
day so that I could become that man that I
want to be. You brought up justin fields, and I
feel like he's getting some of that now, where all
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of a sudden, regardless of the success that he has had,
people are trying to tear him down a little bit
in terms of either his game or something that they
don't talk about. And we this all the time. I'm
wondering your conversations with him, what are those like? And
how is he feeling. Yeah, my my, my, My main
focus when I'm when I'm speaking with him, And it's
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not like I talked to him every day, right, I
just checked in for him occasionally. But my main focus is, man,
what is he doing to to help him be the
best quarterback he can be. Like one of my courses like, hey,
are you getting mental work as well as physical work?
Because yeah, your quarterback? But do are you studying plays? Right?
Are you going over concepts with your quarterback coach? Are
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you working on this transition that's gonna come when you're
in the NFL? Because right now, in this in this
like dead period, you know, teams that bring you in
for certain interviews and different things like that, they put
you on the board, But it's different when you're on
the board and then you gotta take the board to
the field and then executed on that same day. Right
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and now with the virtual stuff, virtual stuff, sometimes you're
not even now they're taking away that opportunity for you
to go in learn the scheme, and go and execute
the scheme because right now you're just learning, like you
don't even have your guys that's around you to go
out there on the field and work with them. So
the main thing I pushed to him is making sure
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that he's getting just as much mental work as he
is physical because he's he's talented, he's gifted with a
lot of unique abilities. But I'm like, I have to learn.
Like even last year, I thought, Man, you know, I'm
I'm a student of the game. You know I stay
on top of my situational football. I'm making sure that
i'm i'm I'm picking out Tennessees that the defense is doing.
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But even to a higher level, we have to be
ready for the play before the play even happens. We
have to be mentally prepared before anything is ever shown
to us. And I'm just shaying with with with uh
with justice, like, man, hey, make sure you're getting that
mental prep too, champions, because he walked in the shoes. Though,
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it does seem, especially when it comes to draft time,
when it comes to black quarterbacks, and it may be
completely inadvertent, with the color of their skin, they seem
to be torn down more show than white quarterbacks. We're
here on justin fields. He wasn't consistent tray lance, he
didn't play that many game, he didn't play against that
top level compet But we have not heard those things
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about some of the white quarterbacks were at the top
of the draft. And you know, if someone who's been
in their shoes, do you say that to them specifically? Like, Hey,
as a black quarterback, you're gonna hear some things and
people are gonna come at you and it pick over
you a little bit different than they do with white quarterbacks. Well, no,
I I don't. I don't even put that in there
in there in their mind, right. I think when you
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when you grow up a black quarterback, it's already understood
that you be three times four times better than our counterparts, period. Right.
I remember them making a story about my forty times,
like just because I'm a black quarterback and I run
a slow forward, the times, I still than you boys
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on the field. Right, When when have we talked about
forty times with quarterbacks? Like? Is that? Is that? Is
that a new thing? Like is Tom Brady run? When
the Tom braid to start running a sub for four?
Like I'm trying, I'm trying to see when did this
become a thing? But you gotta know, and I say
this to who much has given? Much is required? You know, Steve,
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I grew up in the air in the air where
we had Aaron Brooks down South before Drew Brees came.
We had Steve McNair in Tennessee, we had Byron Left
which in Jacksonville, we had Michael Vick in Atlanta. Right,
that's four quarterbacks. We had Dante Cold Prepper latd his
career in Miami. That's five quarterbacks in my five African
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American quarterbacks in my region. So I knew as a
quarterback growing up, like if they got there, I know
I can get there, right, But I knew that it
took an extra it took them an extra element for
them to be able to to you know, it took
Byron Left, which having that broke lead for him to
be able to get thrown into, you know, the top
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ten of his draft. Like this man was putting up
crazy and nowners. But I remember as a kid and
talking about buying Left which until Marshall game when he
broke his leg, Like they show how courageous he was
then and he asked who was he was against? What's
his name? What he what against? David Gerard Ecu like
they went against each other, like man, Like I saw
that growing up, and that's something that you always say,
(49:15):
I knew that because I played baseball and I hear
that all the time. But I knew that if I
was going to be a baseball player, that I had
to be ten times better than the next than the
next position, or the next male or whatever. But man,
I don't even put this in these kids, head man,
because it's understood. Right when I'm at my camps and
I have young black quarterbacks, I'm gonna outwork them. I'm
(49:37):
gonna overwork them because I know what it takes to
get there. I know it's gonna take that elite mental
state as what is that physical state. Because we always
have the speed, we always have the n armstrength. We
got to continue to work on how we beat these
people with our minds because they're trying to find a
way to beat us with what they with their minds.
I mean, and it's great to hear, you know, because
(49:59):
you and I have a certain era where there weren't
five black quarterbacks in a certain region of the country.
There were, I mean, look I grew up, was it.
Vince Evans was a black quarterback for the Bears. James
Harris was a black quarterback rams you know, Shack Harris
and Joe Gilliam had a cup of coffee as a
starter for the Pittsburgh Steelers and and so it's it's
just awesome to hear you see you at least say
(50:20):
you had role models, right everything you still have to Yeah, Marl,
I'm not that old. But Jamis knows the history, right, Doug.
I mean, but Jamison and I love that. Well, we
gotta get ready to to button these things up. So Jim,
just it's been so interesting hearing you know your your
(50:42):
development and your approach and again that decision you know,
the decision based things that the results based th in
was was so great to hear. What is your mentality?
Knowing that it's gonna ar the conversation again you going
into the season, isn't Jamis Winston the Saints quarterback, Jamis
Winston competing to be the same quarterback? Yeah, I think
(51:06):
that's that's part of the game, the competitive miss part period. Um,
every year I go in, uh knowing that I have
to outcompete every other person on the team because I
am the quarterback. Um, now, I think it's gonna make Honestly,
I really believe it's gonna make taste and I better
(51:26):
when I was in the same situation and in high
school in macgrade. Yeah, I was going against Wayne Carroll.
I know here a little that, but it made us better. Um.
I know how Tasting is as a quarterback. I know
how I am as a quarterback. But I believe us
going against each other, well, but I don't know how
to uh you know, how they're gonna do the reps
(51:47):
and stuff like that. You know, I just know I'm
ready to play, and I know it's gonna push us
both to an elite level. And you saw with Drew
and tast somehow how tough it made teams to plan
for the Saints when you had another quarterback that was
able to do the things that Taste Tasso does. But
when we talk about when we talk about the competitiveness part,
(52:08):
Steve like, that's just ball, Like, that's that's how my
mentality is. I'm just focused on ball and how I'm
gonna get this offense, how I'm gonna master this offense,
and how are we gonna win games? Like that? That
is it? Um the was there ever any consideration to
doing a multi year or was this always gonna be
(52:29):
a one year? I just want I really just wanted
to a one year I want to see, Uh, if
a team would just give me an opportunity to show
what I can do and then we'll think because man,
like I've been in this league, Like it's that thing
like and I'm so proud of that. It's nothing like
when the team said, Amy, we're gonna commit to you
right here. Here you go, like, we believe in you.
(52:52):
Let's give you four years. Let's give you this extension.
Because now that's when you're together, that's when it appears
to be your together. That can a commitment to you, right,
And that's what trust, That's what relationships are really creative, right,
because that's now what you're like, Okay, you believe in me. Okay,
I got you right. So, um, I just wanted one
(53:13):
year a man to show, to show that that I
can be in the elite quarterback, that I will protect
the football and uh, and that I'm ready. I'm a CEO, man,
I'm ready to lead a leader team, lead, ready to
lead an organization and lead it to community, to happiness
really and then get a chance to cash in right
when these TV deals kick in, right exactly. That that's
(53:42):
that's something man. Play football for twenty years and then
cash in and just talk about football when the remainder
there you go. Hey, well, Jamis Man, we want to
wish you the best of luck and we really appreciate
you taking the time. Remember you said you're gonna make
time for us. You know you gotta busy studges. We're
gonna circle back during the season of Holly at you again.
All right, hey man, you know I'm gonna be there
(54:02):
for y'all. I'm so I'm so glad that I'm able
to be a part of the process that you guys
have in too African American brothers, running y'all podcast and
dominating years of experience in this sports where in the
end the game that I love in this NFL business.
So absolutely, man, I'm blessed to be a part of
what you guys got going on. So I appreciate you all.
(54:24):
Make sure see me when I'm hostling and flow T shirts.
See there we go. It's coming your way, coming your way.
He's our mark ingram to Lamar Jackson. Man, he's that
hype man. I feel you. Man, Hey, we gotta we
gotta hype each other up. Man. We can't be taying
each other down. We got an act well, James Man again,
(54:44):
good luck to you and and appreciate you one more time.
Steve just such an interesting guy. And from my standpoint, um,
from a football standpoint, I believe this is this is
(55:06):
the best marriage Jamis Winston could have in terms of
a coach and a play caller and a play designer,
because Sean Payton has shown a willingness and an ability
to adjust his play design and his play calls to
the talent of his quarterback, the skill set of his quarterback.
We saw him do it with Teddy Bridgewater. We saw
him do it with Taysom Hill. We saw both those
(55:28):
players have success when Sean did that. And that's why
I'm fascinated to see how this marriage between Jamison Sean
is going to work. And I know I'm getting ahead
of myself. I know that that that the Saints have
said this is an open competition between Taysom and Jamis,
but I firmly believe that Jamis is the guy who
ultimately is going to be the starter. So I'm expecting
(55:50):
Jamis to win it. I'm expecting a beautiful marriage between
Jamis and Sean, and I'm fascinated to see what those
numbers are going to look like yeah, because one thing,
you know, we heard even from Sean on the podcast,
from some of his teammates, Jamie has got the boom
in the arm, right, He's got an explosive this in
his arm that Taysom Hill Andrew don't have, and not
(56:12):
just on the deep ball, but just on any ball
that ball can get there. So I think for Sean
to have a quarterback now who's got that rocket arm,
who can do some of the things, and if Jamis
can contain the risk element that he was talking about
himself right there, they could have something really different and
really special with some of the things Shan likes to
do with his offense, Cheney personnel every play and things
(56:33):
like that. So it's gonna be very fascinating just to
see how this goes. Because if Jamis doesn't get it,
we know he's gonna be the career backup. But if
he does get it, he's gonna be hot on the
market for a lot of other teams, even though the Saints,
whose salary cap situation will be better than was this year,
will have an opportunity to sign him long term. Let me,
(56:54):
I still find it fascinating that a guy I could
throw for fifty yards and the three touchdowns even with
the interceptions, and have only one team really make them
a legitimate offer, even it's a low ball offer like
the Saints did. I look at a guy like Ryan
Fitzpatrick who puts up these yards and touchdowns sometimes but
(57:15):
also has a turnover history, and there's always one team
every year that's willing to give whatever it has to
give to have him come in and be the starting
quarterback for that that given season. Why isn't Jamie supported
that same thing? It It kind of blows my mind
a little bit, to be honest with you. We're talking
(57:35):
when we say fifty one hundred yards. We're not talking
three thousand yards or four thousand und you know, that's
where you lead the league. That's that's crazy to me, man,
that that there were only three teams and only one
made a legitimate offer, you know, and even if it
was a low money offer, that's just it's it's so much,
(57:58):
so much of the perception, so much of it is
a grape fine conversation among these NFL front offices. And
that's a shame. I mean, you look at even the contracts.
I mean, to his credit, you know, he's getting ten
million dollars this year to be up in Washington, cam
Newton's inn, a backup quarterback contract, you know, to to
go back to New England. So it's it's, uh, you know,
it's interesting to see how these dynamics go and where
(58:19):
where team's heads are when it comes to this. Jim,
I don't want to let it slide this week too,
since we are coming up on this time of year
that this we we are just more than well. This week,
the trial, the second and third to be murder trial
of former Minneapolis police officer Derek Shauvin is taking place.
(58:41):
Um and you know, first off, I don't want anybody
of our journalistic pedigree to ever refer to this as
a George Floyd murder trial. George Floyd has been murdered.
This is a Derek Shauvin murder trial, so let's make
sure to always keep this in fact. But that was
also the straw, seemingly that that you know, got into
(59:02):
people's consciencenes and got these athletes and got these leagues
and got a lot of people in the streats. Now
we have to see if there's gonna be changed him,
because even if he's convicted on the little serious charge.
He's only going to serve between ten and fifteen years, Okay,
And it sucks though that we have to say, that's
that's the that's the justice we have to deal with.
(59:24):
Right if he gets this, right, if a jury, if
they can find a jury to convicted police officer, um
that he's gonna get fifteen years for the murder for
black man that we all witnessed on tape that didn't
have to happen, and that we have to say, well,
you know, we have to. We have to accept what
we have to accept because that's the way it's written.
It's kind of tough, but I just can't in this
moment not mentioned that the Derek Shauvan murder trial started
(59:49):
this week in Minneapolis, and and that hopefully everyone's gonna
be paying as much attention to this as they did
to the horrific murder of George Floyd. You know, Steve,
I'd like to be confident that there's gonna be justice,
but I simply can't be confident. Not I'm not. And
and we can go back to the early nineties with
(01:00:10):
Rodney King and when you see a video like that, um,
where in my opinion. There simply is no justification for it,
and officers can walk. I'd like to be confident that
they'll be justice here, but um, I'm just not. I'm
not I'm not either. Well, you know, and again that
(01:00:30):
would that would not be good. That would not be good.
But you know, Jim, I think right now, until we
see it, we see it. Well. On that note, man,
why don't you go ahead and bring his home. Yeah,
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give you more of what you're fucking for. That's right, Jim.
And again we want to thank Jamis Winston for coming
on and just for a great interview today. Folks. We're
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