February 9, 2021 • 48 mins
The 3-time NBA champion joins the show. Steph talks with Jim and producer Thomas Warren about how his passion for golf and his desire to create opportunities for the next generation led him to help re-establish the golf program at Howard University (10:05). Steph is a known golf buddy with President Obama, and he dishes on their trash-talking sessions (21:18). And, the golf theme found its way into a playoff series, as Steph reveals the “mic-drop” phone call he received from Tiger Woods during a series in 2015 (23:39). Steph also explains why he always “chooses hope” in his view of the current social justice movement (29:52). Plus, Steve and Jim honor friend and NFL Media colleague Chris Wesseling, who is among the prominent media members who recently lost their lives (43:12).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Coming up next on Huddle and Flow. I was just
getting comfortable around UH President Obama, and I think he
he wanted to kind of break the ice a little
bit because I was. I was riding in his car
with him, and UM I talked to UH. I guess
Michelle had UH had reached out to him before the round,
(00:25):
and UH told him to give me a message that
if I wanted to talk trash about President Obama, that
I should go straight for the Ears. I think it
was straight from the ears. Just trashed the big Ears NonStop,
and that's the one that could get under the skin
a little bit. And so he was humble enough to
pass that on to me knowing that it was gonna
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trust he was giving me some AMMO, so that might
speak to his confidence and trash circles. So he didn't
give me material, knowing that he had some other stuff
in the bag. That's next on Huddle and Flow. Alright, alright, Well,
(01:16):
the NFL season maybe over, but the Huddle and Flow
podcast it definitely isn't. We're still clearing our throats right here.
Remember the Hudd on Flow podcast brought you by into it,
proud makers of Turbo Tax Mint and Quick books. I'm
Steve White. You with my guy Jim trot Or two
thirds of the Howard Mob before You're The third is
Thomas Warren, our producer on the Ones and twos JT.
(01:39):
We just witnessed a beat down in Tampa. It was
not It was not the competitive super Bowl that we
all thought, not at all. You know, look, I always
thought Tampa had a chance, but I never thought or
what I had said going in is whoever wins, it
would be a close game. But you know, it just
shows any Sunday and thinking happen. And and it's what's
(02:01):
funny is when we had Todd Bolson last week, we
asked him about Kansas City's offensive line and what did
he say? He said, I'm not biting the cheese, buying
the cheese, define exactly, Jeff. What they were doing to
the offensive line was so similar to what the Patriots
did to the Rams offensive line in the Super Bowl.
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Like we saw the production of the rush off the edge,
but preceding that, they were beating the hell out of
those tackles. There were times when when Bowls would line
up Vita Villa at at a wide defensive end. It
was a seven technique right the outside shoulder, the offensive
tack and he was hammering him, just crushing him, and
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so you knew that that was just kind of seasoning
the meat. And then when it came time for the
Chiefs to have to be a throw throw throw team,
that's when Shaq Barrett and JPP and the Dominicans who
just absolutely ate them up. It was it was impressive,
you know, and I um, I was happy for Coach Bowls.
You know, um, people focus so much on on the
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offenses in this game, and even in Tampa, people wanted
to focus on the Tom Brady story, which was a
fairytale ending for him leaving New England after twenty seasons,
getting this championship in his first year in Tampa. But
for me, for Todd Bowls to do what he did
to to put together a game plan that held Patrick
Mahomes to his worst game as a pro. I mean,
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never in Patrick's three years as a starter had he
ever gone without a touchdown leading the offense to a touchdown.
Never before had they lost the game, um by double digits.
It was just an impressive performance, game planned by Todd
Bowls and execution by the players. It was crazy. So
I had a couple of coaches texting me during the game.
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They're like, Tampa was playing a two high shell when
they're doubling up Tyreek wherever he goes quick game under,
the quick game underneath, they can move the ball up
and down. I feel all day quick game underneath, and
my Homes didn't have time to do it, and the
Chiefs abandoned it, and people were stunned that they weren't
keeping in bringing an extra tight end to maybe help
out those offensive tackles. So this was a case really
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where again, in some ways it was like that Patriots
Rams game, and in some ways it was like the
Seattle Broncos wipe out Super Bowl because Kansas City, I
mean some of the penalties, some of just the absolute
dumb plays and the fact that those receivers did not
help out Patrick Mahomes one bit. I mean, the drops
that they had. It was like they picked the wrong
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time of the season to play their worst game, because
it was they were bamboozled. But Jim Let's also flip
it Byron left, which was in his bag that first
touchdown to Gronk where they sent all the motion right
and they flipped Gronk back underneath to the left that
look up like a page out of Kansas City's playbook.
And they just absolutely manipulated the hell out of the
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chief's defensive tendencies. Yeah, said afterwards. It's the thing that
they had been setting up because they had not had
him do that before. They had simply had him blocked down.
He would stay there. So no, Byron did a tremendous job.
And yes it was Byron and not Todd bowls as as.
One reporter after the game asked Byron, hey, how did
you shut down Patrick Mahomes? And I just wanted to say, really, really,
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come on now, you know, I know we all look alike,
but come on, come on, man, I mean that that
was yeah, let's you know, let's let's go there. You know,
the typical of Byron. He handled it with poison class.
You know, he was the personal blast. He was so funny.
He was like, oh, you're thinking of Todd. That's all good.
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You know some other people have been like no, we
we both probably have been like next, next, next question.
So did Jim Um, you know, I know we're talking
about the Super Bowl, but a little bit later on
the podcast, we're bringing on NBA. Great Steph Curry of
the Golden State Warriors, and you and our producer Thomas
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Warren actually had a great conversation with him about a
lot of the things he's doing on the court, uh,
what he's doing in the golf game, how he sponsored
Howard University's golf program. So I just want to learn
that Steph Curry's getting ready to come on this podcast,
and it's fantastic and I'm glad I got Thomas Warren
came on and and absolutely killed it because you know,
he's got that radio background. He's more than just a
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guy mixing things on the wheels of steel. But real quick,
let's let's get back to this before you get to staff. Um.
It's a conversation that's been had about the coach hiring thing,
and we're not gonna go into the obvious things about
we had all the black coordinators there, but Sean Payton,
you know, really talked about it when we had him
on the huddling flow, and that is delaying the coach
hiring process to laughter the Super Bowl, And to me,
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this is the greatest example of how you could do
that because then you know all these teams that have
all these lead time to do any type of homework, research,
whatever they needed to do on the coach is coaching
in the Super Bowl. But I think Byron Leftwich and
Todd Bowles and yes Eric b Enemy would have a
better opportunity to get jobs if this process was slow played.
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You know, Steve, I'd like to think you're right, but
I tend to believe, based on the history and what
we've seen, that many of these clubs have their mind
made up before the process ever even starts. And that's
why I do agree with you. I think the process
should be pushed back and interviews shouldn't start until app
in the Super Bowl. But the reality is, in my
mind at least, is that it's not going to make
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a difference. Um. What's funny to me is many of
the coaches prior to the process beginning that we had
identified with certain teams were the coaches who got hired.
So as much as owners come back and say so
and Soul was great in his interview, or this, that
and the other, at the end of the day, those
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teams still went with the people that we had identified
right up front. So that's why I say, I don't
know how you correct the process other than if some
are speculating, um, there may have to be legal action.
And that's really what the impetus was back at the
turn of the century. UM in two thousand, two thousand one,
when Cyrus Mary and Johnny Cochrane threatened legal action against
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the NFL, which helped contribute to the adoption of the
Rooney Rule. And over the next decade we saw incremental
improvement and then we slipped backwards. And I hope that's
not the case, but um, who knows. And the other
thing that we're hearing now is more talk about UM
these groups, whether it's the Frid Pollard Alliance or others,
addressing League sponsors and asking the question of, during this
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time where supposedly we have this enlightenment, do you really
want to deal with an organization that clearly has some
discriminatory practices in terms of its hiring, Because objectively, you
can put up blind resumes and it will show that
some of these black candidates clearly are more qualified than
their white counterparts who are getting jobs. Well, m it's
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not about changing the process, is about changing the mentality,
and we know how hard that is in society. All right, Well,
enough of this, let's get to the good stuff here
at Jim, let's go ahead and bring in Steph Curry
and just kind of a little caveat here. Um, I
was not here, I was down. I was actually up
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in the sky and in a fueling plane over the
Gulf of Mexico, a Casey one thirty five fueling plane,
which was like an incredibly cool experience fueling a B
one bomber that was gonna be partaking a flyover when
this is recorded. And um, you know, as excited as
I was to do that here in Jim and Thomas
(09:42):
do this interview with Steph Curry. It's just a bomb.
So let's go ahead and bring in Steph Curry. We
have another member of the Howard mob who's gonna be
on the show to day, Mr Stephen Curry. We are
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excited to have him in. I gotta tell the backstory.
You know. Steph pledge to relaunched the Howard Golf program
which has been which had been dormant for a couple
of decades or more. And the minute he did that,
Steve and I both said we gotta get step on
the show. We got to talk about it because everyone
knows we're all about Howard. So Steph. First, we want
(10:24):
to say welcome to the show. Thank you for all
you do. And I've read different stories about how it
all came together that you helped relaunch Howard's golf programs.
So let's hear from you. Tell us how it came about. UM.
It was kind of a you know, just a genuine introduction,
UH to some current students. At the time at Howard,
(10:47):
I was producing a documentary with my production company, a
media company, Unanimous UM, and we were we were kind
of on the road a lot of different places UM
doing screenings for the Doctor Menory UM, and we wanted
to kind of bring it to a crescendo at UH,
at a place that meant a lot to some of
the people on my team, and Howard was was the pick.
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And so we went UH and did a screening there
and had a panel Q and a discussion. The document
is called a manual UM, and we we we went
into campus UM and I did the screening, invited a
bunch of students, faculty staff, UM, and I actually got
to be there when we were playing the Wizards UM.
I think the day after. And so right after the
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screening and the Q and a UH, some students came
down to the front and they were really excited about
kind of talking about some ideas that they had, what
they were interested in. There's ways to you know, create
some business opportunities or some internships and things like that.
So I kind of went down the road talking to
each student. UM had shoe designers, we had tech guys
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and girls, we had you know, athletes, UM. And I
got to Otis fergus in the fourth who was talking
and about you know, he was a golfer, he loved
to play. He's on the club team at Howard and
he was trying to figure out a way to bring
the Division one program back. I can't remember exactly how
many years it was since it was gone, but that
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was his mission. And obviously he was talking golf and
he's talking Howard. I kind of sparked my interest. So
I took that nugget, took his number and email down,
and about a month or two later, I said, hey,
I got an idea and some energy around. We're actually
making this reality. And the next thing, you know, UM,
we got uh put you know, some resources in investment down.
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We're working towards an endowment now so that we can
create scholarships and perpetuity for for these student athletes on
the men's and women's side, and um, you know, introducing
golf to uh uh you know, to two new people
in terms of you know, opportunity that one creates, you know, scholarships,
like you said, but you know, the goal is to
get somebody on the p G A or the LPGA
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Tour eventually and get some more representation out there. So
that's the that's the goal for you, Stef. I just
wonder when you look at what this means to the university,
what this means to the students who are gonna have
an opportunity now to participate on this team. What does
that mean to you? To see how important that is
to them and how big that is to them, I
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mean a huge I grew up playing playing the game.
My dad introduced it to me, um and obviously everybody
knows if it's a basketball player. And I know how
much sports teaches you about uh, you know, character and
work ethic and discipline and um working you know, and
team environments. Golf has taught me so much about myself
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as well, and it's been a huge part of um,
you know, introducing me to different people, different people who
walk to different walks of life. And my whole goal,
you know, when I came in into to this level
was the final way to grow not on the game
of basketball, but the game of golf in a very
authentic way that I feel like I could lend a
voice to um and to kind of reach back into
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the to the grass roots level to introduce the game um,
you know, the people that they might not really know
anything about it, um, but have the talent, you know,
the interest and could develop a passion and skill set
to do it at at the at the you know,
elementary high school level and potentially at the college and
professional level. And so for for me oneed's to kind
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of it to its education. It's a huge opportunity to
have like a north star of you know, golf can
open up so many doors. Um, we just need access.
We just need um, you know, that support and like
a sense of resources that can kind of you know,
build in the gap for where a lot of kids
get left. And for me, that means that means so
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much to to have you know, Howard and they're a
decked out in the gear that's super talented. We have
an amazing coach saying carrier, who's doing uh leading, you know,
leading the charge and and that's the vision and then
we can work our way back to say how can
we get more kids into the into these type of opportunities.
Steph Thomas gonna talk to you about coaching and said,
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but I want to ask you said something you said,
golf taught to you so much about yourself. What did
it teach you? Uh? Patients, discipline, UM, perseverance. I think
it's one of those games that you can never master.
As much as I have time, as I put into
the game of basketball and perfecting my craft. Um, you know,
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there are certain things that you can't control. And when
you get on the golf course, it's just you and
what's going on between the ears. I mean there's that
competitive environment as well when you play with other people,
but it's still just you and your own thoughts and
your own mentality. Is you have to master um and
for me, that's a that's a never ending journey. And
so you know, UM, I felt like it's uh it
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gave me, you know, want something to look forward to,
and uh, I could get my competitive juices flowing in
a different type of atmosphere and that Uh, that's helped
me in a lot of different areas, not just on
the basketball court, but um, just being able to you know,
meet different people and be able to talk to him
the level to because golf is kind of like that,
that that unifier. Um, you know, people from all walks
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of life love to play. And uh, it's kind of
gone from there. You mentioned Steph Kurage per year earlier.
I talked to him earlier and he couldn't send your
praises enough. He said, not only it's not one of
those partnerships where it's just you're right to checking that said,
he said, you've been very hands on, you've been in communication.
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If you go to the website, you see the team,
they're decked out in all the sc thirty years. So
he said, that's that's part of it, is looking professional.
So he he was thankful that the team have outfits
to look that way because that's part of it. He
also said that the relationship has been good, that it's
been something that's been continuous and ongoing. So on it
from your side, how has the relationship been and how
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do you see it progressing? From here? It's been great
so far. It's everything you just said, and um, you know,
just the excitement and the awareness of how this golf
program can hopefully create against this this the scholarship aspect
of great education. But at the HBC level obviously Howard,
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um you know first and foremost in this respect, but
across the HBCU kind of pipeline that this can be
a template for um other you know, universities stepping up
UM in this respect and kind of um pouring into
their golf programs which might be kind of on the
back burning a lot of people's you know, priority lists.
And so you know, Sam's done unbelieve the job with
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his unbelief his his track record has experienced a lot
of different colleges bringing it to Howard trying to create
a first class program that um, you know, takes the
service of what you know a student athlete and a
golfer can can expect at this level, UM and not
missing any detail in there. And so we kind of
started with h like you said, the gear, the Curry
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brand gear, UM, you know, decked them out and that
you make them feel special like they should. From Callaway's perspective,
we were able to have a custom fitting session, which
you know most of those Uh, student athletes hadn't had
that experience, and so um, you think about the difference
in terms of opportunity, you know, from from you know
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kids at four or five six years old to eighteen
nineteen going into the freshman of college, they had never
experienced that. And it's a huge difference maker, um, in
terms of confidence and preparedness for that next level. So
we've created a lot of energy around that. Now there's
so many people calling like how can I get involved? Um,
you know, what can we do to help up left
the program? You saw at the match that we had
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with myself, Charles Barkley, UH, Peyton Manning and and Phil Milkleson.
You know we all were raising money for for HBCUs
across the board. Um, and that was you know, putting
putting you know, HP was on the map. And and
it's just more so like creating that that ecosystem of
everybody wanting to pour in and and and finding out
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how they can actually you know, make an impact. And
so UM, it's been awesome. I've heard nothing but great
things about the you know how the kids have have
experienced it so far, and we're just getting started. This
is literally the first year so um, it's gonna get better.
One thing that coach mentioned also was in seeing the
comment throat between both of you guys, is the foundation
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that can get the program thriving in and reach those
longer term big picture goals is winning. So from your side,
he said, if you win, I can be the start
to get the attention and then have the step since
winning to be able to then grow. Did you see
it the same way, No doubt. Um, Now, the first
you have to prove that this is serious, this is
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a priority. I think we started to do that. And
to your point, we want to be competitive. We want
to be, you know, a top tier destination, you know,
for the most talented golfers coming out of high school.
And uh, I really feel like that's not a pipe dream,
that that's a true reality in terms of kind of
flipping the the collegiate golf landscape on its head a
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little bit. And so I love that, man, I love
you very much. There's a even this past summer in
the basketball where there's some five star recruits that were thinking, Hey,
maybe HPCs might be the way to go. They're gonna
find me wherever I'm at, the same thing can happen
in golf and uh, and you kind of can look
at just how amazing Howard is in terms of how
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they you know, uplift their students and um, you know,
create this this level of excellence that can be poured
in as well in terms of, you know, what our
expectations are as a program, and um, we obviously have
an amazing coach that's been some other you know, uh,
the top tier programs. I know where it takes to
win at that level. So that's the that's the goal.
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We ain't just doing this yet just to be there
being competitive, being successful U titles. I love that. I
love that, Steph. We're gonna get to those elite players
in a minute, but first I want to ask you.
We We've had Larry Fitzgerald on the show and Larry
is one of those people like you who is golf
with President Obama. And Larry told us the President Obama
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is a sneaky trash talker. Good, so I wanted to
ask you rate his trash talking and tell us a
story about one of his best trash talking sessions. He
he's sneaky because you know his uh, his cadence with
his words, right, He's amazing storyteller, and so UH he
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doesn't switch it up with he's gonna golf for us.
It's kind of that cool mellow he draws you in
and UH, you know, his game is is decent enough
that he's not embarrassing himself out there on the court
because he's not. He's gonna manage his way around the course.
I think the first time we played him, you know,
we were just getting to know each other and and
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I was just getting comfortable around uh President Obama, and
I think he he wanted to kind of break the
ice a little bit because I was. I was riding
in his car with him, and UM I talked to UH.
I guess Michelle had UH had reached out to him
before the round, and UH told him to give me
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a message that if I wanted to talk trash about
President Obama, that I should go straight for the Ears.
I think it was straight for the years. Just trashed
the big ears NonStop, and that's the one that could
get under the skin a little bit. And so he
was humble enough to pass that on to me, knowing
that it was gonna trust. He was giving me some ammos,
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so that might speak to his confidence A trash circles,
so he didn't give me material knowing that he had
some other stuff in the bag. So that that that
says allowed to go? Did you go for it? I
waited to the back now though I didn't want to
get anyone to get kicked off the course too quick.
By the way, who won? So we played twice? Uh.
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The first time I was on his team and we
were playing against my dad and ray Allen. My dad
and Ray Allen, they won, um. And the second time
I was against him and we got the dub. So uh.
It's always fun playing with him no matter where we're at.
And obviously he's got a little bit more free time now,
so hopefully we can keep it going. I'm curious, stef
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if you could play golf with one person one round
living or did who would that one person be? Tiger?
For sure? Um, it's just obviously kind of hero mind
growing up and to know like all he's been through
over the course of his career and you know, all
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the highs and lows and all that. I feel like
that would be an amazing four or five hours out
there to kind of hear his story from his from
his Uh, his lens is live, you know, content out
there now about him and around him. But I love
to hear from his words so um and to see
you know, him hit amazing golf shots all day. But
that would be that would be my guy. I'm actually
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surprised you guys having linked up now we've we've talked
a couple of times. Uh. He actually called me out
the blue back in during our playoff run, UH in
the second round against UH who were playing Memphis, and
uh we were down to one and my pr director
for the Warriors where I was leaving practice in between
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games three and four, and uh, I just want my
first MVP. So that was kind of a talking point.
But we were down in the series and he said, Hey,
if this Florida number calls you, you might want to
answer it. And I was like, all right. So he
called me about an hour later, and uh it was
the biggest pet talk of all time, just out of
the blue. He uh, he he spoke some life into
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our our comeback, um there in that round and he
told me, I said, I'm ready for it. I know
we're gonna get it done. And he dropped he dropped
the mic at the end of the call. He's like,
prove it and then just hung up. Don't get no
better than that, No better than that. He let the
fire on him, for sure. Man, one of kind of
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switch gears a little bit. We talked a lot on
the show about player activism and you've been one of
the voices in the NBA that's been on the forefront
of that. But I noticed on on February three, you
sent out a tweet from the l A Times. It
was a headline that read, note league was more essential
to the social justice movement in the w n B A.
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So I'm interested from your perspective, as a father of
two daughters, as a player in the NBA that has
a voice and a platform, how much influence of what
they're doing impacts you and what you do a lot.
I mean, it seems they're very proactive and using their
voice and being collective and unified across all the different teams,
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and um it just being very very bold and courageous about,
you know, speaking on what they believe, taking a stand
on things no matter what the consequences might be. And
you know, I feel like they're a model across the
board for what it means for athletes to be outspoken,
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to use their platforms to be selfless in that respect, UM,
and to be consistent with it. So that for me
is was worth the shout out and more, UM, you know,
based only not just last year, but we go you know,
years and years back about equal pay. Um. Yeah, conversations
and debates on that and in that topic, and then
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you know, leading into social justice and things that happened
over the last eighteen months. So, like you said, as
as a as a father of an eight and five
year old girl who aren't really interested in basketball as
of yet, but UM have models to look up to
in terms of strong, courageous women that UM don't fit
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in a certain lane. They speak on what they believe,
and I think it makes a huge impact across the
board for sure. That's a beautiful thing. You know what's
interesting stuff is we've seen athletes become more vocal after
Cap took a me in twenty sixteen, even from a
warrior's standpoint. I mean, I know that you were always
socially conscious, but even among warriors and yourself, like, we
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started to hear more, hear you guys speak about things more.
I'm wondering how much did that moment and what he
did awakened something inside you and other athletes. I think
it was huge UM and obviously how polarizing it was
in terms of what his message was in that moment
and not being you know, misconstrued um or taken away
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from him and and kind of reconfigure the other narratives
and things like that. That was what it kind of
was the resolutions like you can you can control only
so much in that respect, but you have to stay
true to what you believe in who you are and
just act on it. Um. You know, all the greatest
ideas and the greatest conversations, so let's just action behind it.
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Then it's kind of a move point. And so UM
that was that was a huge message. And you can
kind of even go back to the generations of path
like you said, is um been a huge movement of
player activism and and and I think the biggest thing
is just being authentic to what you actually believe. There's
a temptation to want to poke your head and your
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nose into every single conversation and argument, and that's okay
if you're well versed and knowledgeable about and understand you know, um,
you know what you're trying to impact or influence UM
and EPT you know, particular conversations. And for me, that's
the rule of thumb. You know, if you're knowledge about it,
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if you have a network of people that you can
tap into to ask the right questions to get the
right information. UM. You know, if for me, being able
to know that there's people on the ground and many
a community across the country that are doing this the work,
especially in social justice and and UH inequality that they've
been doing that that that that's the life's blood work,
then we can uplift those you know, leaders and organizations
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and you know, lend awareness and resources financially, UM man
power whatever it is, UM, we can influence it that
way as well. UM, even up to policy issues Capitol
Hill and all that type of stuff. So there's a
lot of different ways to do it. But being knowledgeable
about not just saying stuff to say it, UM, is
you and someone else that that's knowledgeable and vocal is
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your coach Steve kurt so interested from your perspective, Uh,
what kind of conversations do you guys all that do
you have talking about social issues? Because he's thought known
to be a thoughtful guy far outside of basketball, and
so what is it like to play for a coach
who is supportive of his players being vocal and having
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those interests to want to get involved in. And then
what kind of conversations do you two have about what's
happening in the world. I mean a lot. I think
the biggest thing is just as a perspective on the
daily that we're blessed to play this game at the
highest level and get to be paid handsomely to put
the ball in the basket. And Um, you know, with
that comes a sense of responsibility, UM, speaking your truth
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and speaking out for those that can't you speak for themselves,
and using our platform. And he does foster some conversations
or a lot of conversations within our team, you know,
their film sessions during random meeting throughout the year, that
we kind of break down issues that might be happening.
Or again, it's the perspective that we're not in a
we're in a bubble in our own world, but we're not.
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We're still connected to you know, our brother says left
and right, and so for us to be able to
not loose sight of that UM is huge. And obviously
him the doc rivers Gregg Popovich, Um, you know coaches
across the board, Lloyd Pierce in Atlanta who's running the
I think the coaches Union UM and doing a lot
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of work over this last year. You know, it's a
it's a environment where we all try to empower each
other and support each other in that UM and that
means a lot to not feel like you're on an
island by yourself UM, and that people understand that you know,
you want to be helpful, but maybe there's a and
find out what the right way to do it is.
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To that point step, do you think this is a
moment or a movement, I mean, it's always been a movement.
I think it's just more so that it's not just
a movement within our own communities, that it's uh we
call them the allies, right, and that there's you know,
people on the other side that are listening and here
and and holding themselves accountable to UH to how they
can make change or and and help turn this into
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what I feel like is is different. I feel like
it's more palable and that there's more conversation and more action. UM.
Any time will tell. Hopefully in our lifetime we do
see a better reality for our kids and and the
future generations in that respect. But UM, yeah, I feel
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like we're doing what we can within our power to uh,
to stay true toto that mission, um and to that
that movement if you will. Um, But I don't, I
don't know. I always choose hope at the end of
the day. It's always that one piece where you can say, oh,
things are never gonna change and we're just you know,
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spinning our our legs on the wheel. I always shoots
hope that we are we are moving in the right
direction no matter how long it takes. You know. Stuff,
We've got a little over five minutes left because I
know you've got a hard out here. Um, so let's
have a little fun for a minute. Football wise, we
look at Tom Brady ten super Bowls, forty three years
old this year, playing tremendous, talks about maybe even playing
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until he's fifty. You're about a decade younger than Tom Brady.
How long can you see yourself playing. It's a great question.
I mean it's different sports, different positions. Man. My Pops,
My Pops is always the bromter for me. He played
sixteen years until he's thirty eight, and I got to
see how his body changed over the years, especially it
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was last six and all the work that went into
getting ready for a season. I'm aboudby thirty three next month,
I feel really really good, fresh, able to still do
everything I want to do on the court. So if
I could get to like pushing forty with it and
still be impactful on the court, I feel like that's
a women basketball? Is that straight up and down. You
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can't hide anywhere when you're out there. Um, maybe a
little different convers station, but to Toma's point, just getting
your body where you go out on your own terms
is is? Uh? Is the goal however long or however
many years you know that is. So that's the get
pushing fort It would be amazing and a couple more
couple more championships in there too, I bet it up.
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That's absolutely all right. So UH football still, so you're
a big Panthers fans, So I'm curious, though you've been
in the bay for a minute, why are you not
a Forting Understan At this point, I just can't, I
can't do it. I just come on, is it the colors?
What is it's just growing up going to Bank of
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America Stadium watching uh Jake Delane and Steve Smith and
uh Sim Mohammed, Tim Biakpatuca and go down the list
of all my my favorite Panthers. I just can't. I
can't Sam Mills, Thomas Davis, I can't go. I can't
just I can't let that go. And I can't be
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a to two team type of guy. I'll root for him,
I'll go to the game. I'll be Bay Area pride
when they win. But uh, when the Panthers come out
to the Bay you know what side of the stadium
I'm gonna be on. Are speaking of favorite favorite NFL
player to watch? And why right now? Uh? My homes
for sure. Just see a lot of myself and him,
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and obviously there's been a lot of comparisons. Just that creativity.
You can't blink or you miss something something special, And uh,
I just love his his confidence you when he knows
at any point he can do something special. He's always,
you know, got options. He's got a way to make
a play using his feed or his on side ar past,
whatever it is. Um, he's surrounded by some weapons and
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he knows how to use them. So it's uh, that's
that's that's that guy's he's special. He's generational talent obviously,
so love watching Stephan. When we talk about players such
as yourself, My Homes, Brady, whoever, Fitzgerald, we're talking about greatness.
Is there a common thread through all of you great
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players that maybe we on the outside don't see or
don't know. I think just the common knowledge of how
hard or how much hard work it takes to get
to that level and sustain it, and the pressures that
you feel on a daily to kind of keep doubling
down on that. UM. Let's say we are our own
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up worst en me with our own expectations at times,
and there's nothing anybody that can can say about you
or who about how you played or who you are.
We are biggest critics and so UM the work that
goes into it and the sacrifice that you have to
make to be at that level. UM, I think we
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we it's kind of an unspoken understanding and our appreciation
for for what that means. UM, because there's a lot
of ways that people have fallen off, you know, And
the point about it is, when we were kids, I'm
I wasn't never the most talented guy, and there's always
people that we're more developed, you know, better shooters whatever,
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But I kept working at it, and you know the
difference of opportunity there. Um, it's kind of manifests itself
when you get to this level and you kind of
recognize that. And in those type of people, Thomas has
got a fun one year from music. And then I'll
wrap it up by full circle. Jim's out of hip
hop guys, because this is on me all right. So
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versus who won the battle e forty versus too short?
I know who? I think one? Well, they were making
that Joe little John one right because all the beat
now court side forty of court side forty for me,
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he definitely won. And I think he won one because
I've never seen anybody drinks so much and still maintained
on the verse at A lot of brown liquor, was
consumed a lot of a lot of his own liquor
to you got it own labels, so you gotta check
those out. And then then the antics and the mannerisms
and in the dance, and I actually had to. I
felt so inspired I had to go dress up like
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him and uh and uh and pull out some of
the footwork. So definitely, okay, let me bring this full
circle because I know, you gotta run. How do we
graduates of HBCU and that family get elite athletes such
as yourself to start passing on the Davidson's and the
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U C L A s and the Kentucky's and signing
up for the Howards, the A and T S, the
Hamptons and others. I mean, we're all we're all doing it,
I guess in terms of continue use your platform to
speak on the great things that are happening, speaking about
your experiences there. Obviously I didn't go to Howard or
an h b c U, but if um, you know,
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a cross paths with so many people that speak so
highly of their experience that what has made them successful
in in in life and um, for us, it's just
about continuing to get that word out that this is
a real opportunity, a real life changing, uh you know
type of situation, and the decision um that it's only
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going to continue to get better. So I think that
that wave is started on the national you know level, um,
from the networks that might not uh that weren't talking
about hbc S before. So it's gonna continue to double
down on that. I'm gonna continue the way to flag
from Afar and um, yeah, well when you see when
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you see uh, the Bison golf team on on Golf
Channel chasing the national chaporship, that's gonna be it right there.
I love that. Man. Well, look, I want to say
on behalf of Thomas on, behalf of my co host
Steve Wish, the Howard family, we want to say thank you,
do you follow you down for the golf program for
the basketball team in terms of the curryates being supplied
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to them. And I also want to thank you and
your wife for your eat Learned play foundation for all
the work that you're doing there. So much respect, much props,
and and we appreciate you being on the huddle and flow. Man,
I appreciate you guys so much. Uh was as age
you you know, you know it's not like it, Steve,
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what an impressive guy. You know. Look, I grew up
in the Bay Area. I used to sit in those
five dollar seats back in the day up in the
Oakland Coliseum arena and watch Joe Barry Carroll and the
Warriors and whatnot. So you know, I'm not hiding my
my fendom here as as it relates to the Golden
State Warriors. But you know, Steph makes it easy to
be a fan of not only the team, but him
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and his family in terms of all the work that
they do in the community, trying to make situations better,
in him using his platform to try and make positive
change in this country. And and you know, for our listeners,
you and I both admitted we heard that he was
going to sponsor this Howard University golf team and resurrect
that program after more than two decades of being dormant.
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We had to bring him in, you know, And and
we had to have him uh with us and show
some love to him and let him know that that
we consider him an honorary a bice and so um.
It was just it was just an enjoyable time for me.
I could have talked to him all night. And I
love the mad respect for guys like him and Chris
Paul and all of these players who don't who didn't
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attend HBCUs, who are putting so much into HBC programs.
Because you know, we talked about Steph sponsoring a golf program.
What's the big deal with that? Yes, okay, great, It's
an extracurricular activity for those student athletes up at Howard,
but also when it gives in other world scholarships for
those kids, scholarship actually curricular. But Jim, as you know,
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because you're a big golfer, there's a whole lot of
deals to get broken on the golf course. So even
have these guys, right, so even these guys don't hit
the PGA Tour, they they they are now gonna be
able to depostle, put themselves in position to make the
proper connections and just and just all love some of
Go ahead, huh, Can I tell this quick story, real quick?
I was not a golfer, hadn't played obviously, I didn't
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have time, didn't have money at one point to play.
I'm covering the NBA. I'm sitting baseline one day next
to the legendary Jim Hill as you know, the broadcaster
up up in l A. And Jim says to me,
do you play golf? And I said, no, I don't.
He said you need to take up the sport. And
I said why. He said, because that's where deals get done,
that's where you have access to players. And then he
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starts telling me about guys he's been on the course with,
from Marcus Allen on down and it was at that
point I knew I've got to take this sport up,
and I did, and now I love it for other reasons.
But you're absolutely right. If you go to an NFL player, UH,
NBA Baseball, whatever, and say hey, let's play around, they
are down to go out on the golf course. So
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it's a secret for young reporters out there. UM, take
it up all right, well, Jim, as as we get
out of here. UM, this has been an absolutely incredible
run of of sorrow and loss for us personally, for
those in the sports world. Um. And as we just
(43:28):
learned overnight on Monday, Marty Schottenheimer, someone you're close with
you finally lost his battle to Alzheimer's. We knew this
was coming when they moved him into hospice the past
couple of days ago. But you were close to him.
You've been on the golf course with him many times. UM.
I would just love for you to say some some
kind words about your friend. Oh, Mark, I don't know
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that that I have the words. I think about Marty
and how you always used to tell us he was
an English major and he would command a room with
his presence and his voice. The thing I remember about
Marty most is you know, you hear these stories about
him from the far from Afar, him being a hard ass,
a control freak, all those kind of things, and I
remember the Chargers hired him as head coach, and at
(44:13):
that time, my relationship with the organization wasn't necessarily the
greatest because I was a beat writer and I was
writing things that maybe they didn't want to see her here,
and so I right away my antendant was up with Marty,
and I really I wasn't sure if he was someone
to be trusted or not. And long story short, we
had an incident where I felt like he had deceived
me a little bit, and he and I had our
(44:37):
coming to Jesus moment where we laid out what our
expectations were of each other. And without going into specifics,
at the end of that, all I know is that
every time I called him was something controversial that I
had found out and I knew to be true. He
never once lied to me, And you know, as a
beat writer, that's all you can ask for um out
(44:58):
of anyone associated with an organization. You don't have to
give me information, but just don't lie to me. And
Marty was not that guy. And we had conversations about family,
about football, um, and he and it at times about
his fate. And I can say to you, I'm gonna
miss him. I'm gonna miss him a lot. Um. You know,
(45:18):
I spend time with his family down in North Carolina
at their home. He and his lovely wife Pat who
was like the matriarch of all NFL wives. And you
know his son Brian Well uh and his daughter Kristen.
Just he's got four grandkids he's survived by and UM,
I just hope he's at peace. Jim Well said, the
(45:39):
NFL loses another legend, and just quickly as we sign off, Um,
we lost a dear one at NFL Networking, NFL Media
and Chris Westling just a wonderful man, a brother to
all of us. He had battled cancer for a long
time and fought like nobody, a teen fight. I'm glad
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that he and his wife Lakeisha were able to have
their son Link so his legacy will live on. Um.
This is a brutal blow. And we've lost a lot.
You know, we lost Vaughan McClure from ESPN, We've lost
Saku Smith from NBA TV, Marty Chris Westling and Jim
the one that you know, none is greater than the other.
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But losing Pedro Gomez, a brother of ours from ESPN,
someone I worked with in Miami, someone who we've probably
both had dinner with a million times. Um. The ultimate
reminder to just please love everybody up and be kind
to everyone because this this, this is a fleeting existence existence. Um. Well,
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hopefully you can leave a lot of positive memories because
we're all hurting pretty badly right now, no question. Let
me let me tell you a quick story about Pedro.
When I came to San Diego, had never been here
before I came as a high school writer, Pedro was
already here covering one of our high school zones. Didn't
know him from Adam and Pedro says, the media have
a place to staying. He said, no, I'm at the hotel.
(47:02):
He says, why don't you stay at my place? I
didn't know me from anyone. I'm a stranger. And he said,
why don't you stay at my place until you find
a place? And I did. And that's the kind of
guy that Pedro was. Man opened up his heart and
his arms to everyone. And I'm just devastating you know,
I told my wife about it. She knew him. Um.
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He was just just a loving man, you know. So, man,
we've lost so many people. Just just just gut it. Yeah,
just gut it. Well, Jim, we gotta go ahead and
button this episode up. Um. So again, I love every people, everybody, Um, Jim,
you take you take his home. It's a great podcast. Um.
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And and just really appreciate our guy Thomas Warren again
stepping in and just doing a great job. So Jim,
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he wanted to kind of break the ice a little
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We just witnessed a beat down in Tampa. It was
not It was not the competitive super Bowl that we
all thought, not at all. You know, look, I always
thought Tampa had a chance, but I never thought or
what I had said going in is whoever wins, it
would be a close game. But you know, it just
shows any Sunday and thinking happen. And and it's what's
(02:01):
funny is when we had Todd Bolson last week, we
asked him about Kansas City's offensive line and what did
he say? He said, I'm not biting the cheese, buying
the cheese, define exactly, Jeff. What they were doing to
the offensive line was so similar to what the Patriots
did to the Rams offensive line in the Super Bowl.
(02:22):
Like we saw the production of the rush off the edge,
but preceding that, they were beating the hell out of
those tackles. There were times when when Bowls would line
up Vita Villa at at a wide defensive end. It
was a seven technique right the outside shoulder, the offensive
tack and he was hammering him, just crushing him, and
(02:44):
so you knew that that was just kind of seasoning
the meat. And then when it came time for the
Chiefs to have to be a throw throw throw team,
that's when Shaq Barrett and JPP and the Dominicans who
just absolutely ate them up. It was it was impressive,
you know, and I um, I was happy for Coach Bowls.
You know, um, people focus so much on on the
(03:07):
offenses in this game, and even in Tampa, people wanted
to focus on the Tom Brady story, which was a
fairytale ending for him leaving New England after twenty seasons,
getting this championship in his first year in Tampa. But
for me, for Todd Bowls to do what he did
to to put together a game plan that held Patrick
Mahomes to his worst game as a pro. I mean,
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never in Patrick's three years as a starter had he
ever gone without a touchdown leading the offense to a touchdown.
Never before had they lost the game, um by double digits.
It was just an impressive performance, game planned by Todd
Bowls and execution by the players. It was crazy. So
I had a couple of coaches texting me during the game.
(03:49):
They're like, Tampa was playing a two high shell when
they're doubling up Tyreek wherever he goes quick game under,
the quick game underneath, they can move the ball up
and down. I feel all day quick game underneath, and
my Homes didn't have time to do it, and the
Chiefs abandoned it, and people were stunned that they weren't
keeping in bringing an extra tight end to maybe help
out those offensive tackles. So this was a case really
(04:12):
where again, in some ways it was like that Patriots
Rams game, and in some ways it was like the
Seattle Broncos wipe out Super Bowl because Kansas City, I
mean some of the penalties, some of just the absolute
dumb plays and the fact that those receivers did not
help out Patrick Mahomes one bit. I mean, the drops
that they had. It was like they picked the wrong
(04:33):
time of the season to play their worst game, because
it was they were bamboozled. But Jim Let's also flip
it Byron left, which was in his bag that first
touchdown to Gronk where they sent all the motion right
and they flipped Gronk back underneath to the left that
look up like a page out of Kansas City's playbook.
And they just absolutely manipulated the hell out of the
(04:56):
chief's defensive tendencies. Yeah, said afterwards. It's the thing that
they had been setting up because they had not had
him do that before. They had simply had him blocked down.
He would stay there. So no, Byron did a tremendous job.
And yes it was Byron and not Todd bowls as as.
One reporter after the game asked Byron, hey, how did
you shut down Patrick Mahomes? And I just wanted to say, really, really,
(05:21):
come on now, you know, I know we all look alike,
but come on, come on, man, I mean that that
was yeah, let's you know, let's let's go there. You know,
the typical of Byron. He handled it with poison class.
You know, he was the personal blast. He was so funny.
He was like, oh, you're thinking of Todd. That's all good.
(05:42):
You know some other people have been like no, we
we both probably have been like next, next, next question.
So did Jim Um, you know, I know we're talking
about the Super Bowl, but a little bit later on
the podcast, we're bringing on NBA. Great Steph Curry of
the Golden State Warriors, and you and our producer Thomas
(06:02):
Warren actually had a great conversation with him about a
lot of the things he's doing on the court, uh,
what he's doing in the golf game, how he sponsored
Howard University's golf program. So I just want to learn
that Steph Curry's getting ready to come on this podcast,
and it's fantastic and I'm glad I got Thomas Warren
came on and and absolutely killed it because you know,
he's got that radio background. He's more than just a
(06:22):
guy mixing things on the wheels of steel. But real quick,
let's let's get back to this before you get to staff. Um.
It's a conversation that's been had about the coach hiring thing,
and we're not gonna go into the obvious things about
we had all the black coordinators there, but Sean Payton,
you know, really talked about it when we had him
on the huddling flow, and that is delaying the coach
hiring process to laughter the Super Bowl, And to me,
(06:45):
this is the greatest example of how you could do
that because then you know all these teams that have
all these lead time to do any type of homework, research,
whatever they needed to do on the coach is coaching
in the Super Bowl. But I think Byron Leftwich and
Todd Bowles and yes Eric b Enemy would have a
better opportunity to get jobs if this process was slow played.
(07:07):
You know, Steve, I'd like to think you're right, but
I tend to believe, based on the history and what
we've seen, that many of these clubs have their mind
made up before the process ever even starts. And that's
why I do agree with you. I think the process
should be pushed back and interviews shouldn't start until app
in the Super Bowl. But the reality is, in my
mind at least, is that it's not going to make
(07:29):
a difference. Um. What's funny to me is many of
the coaches prior to the process beginning that we had
identified with certain teams were the coaches who got hired.
So as much as owners come back and say so
and Soul was great in his interview, or this, that
and the other, at the end of the day, those
(07:49):
teams still went with the people that we had identified
right up front. So that's why I say, I don't
know how you correct the process other than if some
are speculating, um, there may have to be legal action.
And that's really what the impetus was back at the
turn of the century. UM in two thousand, two thousand one,
when Cyrus Mary and Johnny Cochrane threatened legal action against
(08:13):
the NFL, which helped contribute to the adoption of the
Rooney Rule. And over the next decade we saw incremental
improvement and then we slipped backwards. And I hope that's
not the case, but um, who knows. And the other
thing that we're hearing now is more talk about UM
these groups, whether it's the Frid Pollard Alliance or others,
addressing League sponsors and asking the question of, during this
(08:38):
time where supposedly we have this enlightenment, do you really
want to deal with an organization that clearly has some
discriminatory practices in terms of its hiring, Because objectively, you
can put up blind resumes and it will show that
some of these black candidates clearly are more qualified than
their white counterparts who are getting jobs. Well, m it's
(09:01):
not about changing the process, is about changing the mentality,
and we know how hard that is in society. All right, Well,
enough of this, let's get to the good stuff here
at Jim, let's go ahead and bring in Steph Curry
and just kind of a little caveat here. Um, I
was not here, I was down. I was actually up
(09:21):
in the sky and in a fueling plane over the
Gulf of Mexico, a Casey one thirty five fueling plane,
which was like an incredibly cool experience fueling a B
one bomber that was gonna be partaking a flyover when
this is recorded. And um, you know, as excited as
I was to do that here in Jim and Thomas
(09:42):
do this interview with Steph Curry. It's just a bomb.
So let's go ahead and bring in Steph Curry. We
have another member of the Howard mob who's gonna be
on the show to day, Mr Stephen Curry. We are
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excited to have him in. I gotta tell the backstory.
You know. Steph pledge to relaunched the Howard Golf program
which has been which had been dormant for a couple
of decades or more. And the minute he did that,
Steve and I both said we gotta get step on
the show. We got to talk about it because everyone
knows we're all about Howard. So Steph. First, we want
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to say welcome to the show. Thank you for all
you do. And I've read different stories about how it
all came together that you helped relaunch Howard's golf programs.
So let's hear from you. Tell us how it came about. UM.
It was kind of a you know, just a genuine introduction,
UH to some current students. At the time at Howard,
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I was producing a documentary with my production company, a
media company, Unanimous UM, and we were we were kind
of on the road a lot of different places UM
doing screenings for the Doctor Menory UM, and we wanted
to kind of bring it to a crescendo at UH,
at a place that meant a lot to some of
the people on my team, and Howard was was the pick.
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And so we went UH and did a screening there
and had a panel Q and a discussion. The document
is called a manual UM, and we we we went
into campus UM and I did the screening, invited a
bunch of students, faculty staff, UM, and I actually got
to be there when we were playing the Wizards UM.
I think the day after. And so right after the
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screening and the Q and a UH, some students came
down to the front and they were really excited about
kind of talking about some ideas that they had, what
they were interested in. There's ways to you know, create
some business opportunities or some internships and things like that.
So I kind of went down the road talking to
each student. UM had shoe designers, we had tech guys
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and girls, we had you know, athletes, UM. And I
got to Otis fergus in the fourth who was talking
and about you know, he was a golfer, he loved
to play. He's on the club team at Howard and
he was trying to figure out a way to bring
the Division one program back. I can't remember exactly how
many years it was since it was gone, but that
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was his mission. And obviously he was talking golf and
he's talking Howard. I kind of sparked my interest. So
I took that nugget, took his number and email down,
and about a month or two later, I said, hey,
I got an idea and some energy around. We're actually
making this reality. And the next thing, you know, UM,
we got uh put you know, some resources in investment down.
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We're working towards an endowment now so that we can
create scholarships and perpetuity for for these student athletes on
the men's and women's side, and um, you know, introducing
golf to uh uh you know, to two new people
in terms of you know, opportunity that one creates, you know, scholarships,
like you said, but you know, the goal is to
get somebody on the p G A or the LPGA
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Tour eventually and get some more representation out there. So
that's the that's the goal for you, Stef. I just
wonder when you look at what this means to the university,
what this means to the students who are gonna have
an opportunity now to participate on this team. What does
that mean to you? To see how important that is
to them and how big that is to them, I
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mean a huge I grew up playing playing the game.
My dad introduced it to me, um and obviously everybody
knows if it's a basketball player. And I know how
much sports teaches you about uh, you know, character and
work ethic and discipline and um working you know, and
team environments. Golf has taught me so much about myself
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as well, and it's been a huge part of um,
you know, introducing me to different people, different people who
walk to different walks of life. And my whole goal,
you know, when I came in into to this level
was the final way to grow not on the game
of basketball, but the game of golf in a very
authentic way that I feel like I could lend a
voice to um and to kind of reach back into
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the to the grass roots level to introduce the game um,
you know, the people that they might not really know
anything about it, um, but have the talent, you know,
the interest and could develop a passion and skill set
to do it at at the at the you know,
elementary high school level and potentially at the college and
professional level. And so for for me oneed's to kind
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of it to its education. It's a huge opportunity to
have like a north star of you know, golf can
open up so many doors. Um, we just need access.
We just need um, you know, that support and like
a sense of resources that can kind of you know,
build in the gap for where a lot of kids
get left. And for me, that means that means so
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much to to have you know, Howard and they're a
decked out in the gear that's super talented. We have
an amazing coach saying carrier, who's doing uh leading, you know,
leading the charge and and that's the vision and then
we can work our way back to say how can
we get more kids into the into these type of opportunities.
Steph Thomas gonna talk to you about coaching and said,
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but I want to ask you said something you said,
golf taught to you so much about yourself. What did
it teach you? Uh? Patients, discipline, UM, perseverance. I think
it's one of those games that you can never master.
As much as I have time, as I put into
the game of basketball and perfecting my craft. Um, you know,
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there are certain things that you can't control. And when
you get on the golf course, it's just you and
what's going on between the ears. I mean there's that
competitive environment as well when you play with other people,
but it's still just you and your own thoughts and
your own mentality. Is you have to master um and
for me, that's a that's a never ending journey. And
so you know, UM, I felt like it's uh it
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gave me, you know, want something to look forward to,
and uh, I could get my competitive juices flowing in
a different type of atmosphere and that Uh, that's helped
me in a lot of different areas, not just on
the basketball court, but um, just being able to you know,
meet different people and be able to talk to him
the level to because golf is kind of like that,
that that unifier. Um, you know, people from all walks
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of life love to play. And uh, it's kind of
gone from there. You mentioned Steph Kurage per year earlier.
I talked to him earlier and he couldn't send your
praises enough. He said, not only it's not one of
those partnerships where it's just you're right to checking that said,
he said, you've been very hands on, you've been in communication.
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If you go to the website, you see the team,
they're decked out in all the sc thirty years. So
he said, that's that's part of it, is looking professional.
So he he was thankful that the team have outfits
to look that way because that's part of it. He
also said that the relationship has been good, that it's
been something that's been continuous and ongoing. So on it
from your side, how has the relationship been and how
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do you see it progressing? From here? It's been great
so far. It's everything you just said, and um, you know,
just the excitement and the awareness of how this golf
program can hopefully create against this this the scholarship aspect
of great education. But at the HBC level obviously Howard,
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um you know first and foremost in this respect, but
across the HBCU kind of pipeline that this can be
a template for um other you know, universities stepping up
UM in this respect and kind of um pouring into
their golf programs which might be kind of on the
back burning a lot of people's you know, priority lists.
And so you know, Sam's done unbelieve the job with
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his unbelief his his track record has experienced a lot
of different colleges bringing it to Howard trying to create
a first class program that um, you know, takes the
service of what you know a student athlete and a
golfer can can expect at this level, UM and not
missing any detail in there. And so we kind of
started with h like you said, the gear, the Curry
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brand gear, UM, you know, decked them out and that
you make them feel special like they should. From Callaway's perspective,
we were able to have a custom fitting session, which
you know most of those Uh, student athletes hadn't had
that experience, and so um, you think about the difference
in terms of opportunity, you know, from from you know
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kids at four or five six years old to eighteen
nineteen going into the freshman of college, they had never
experienced that. And it's a huge difference maker, um, in
terms of confidence and preparedness for that next level. So
we've created a lot of energy around that. Now there's
so many people calling like how can I get involved? Um,
you know, what can we do to help up left
the program? You saw at the match that we had
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with myself, Charles Barkley, UH, Peyton Manning and and Phil Milkleson.
You know we all were raising money for for HBCUs
across the board. Um, and that was you know, putting
putting you know, HP was on the map. And and
it's just more so like creating that that ecosystem of
everybody wanting to pour in and and and finding out
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how they can actually you know, make an impact. And
so UM, it's been awesome. I've heard nothing but great
things about the you know how the kids have have
experienced it so far, and we're just getting started. This
is literally the first year so um, it's gonna get better.
One thing that coach mentioned also was in seeing the
comment throat between both of you guys, is the foundation
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that can get the program thriving in and reach those
longer term big picture goals is winning. So from your side,
he said, if you win, I can be the start
to get the attention and then have the step since
winning to be able to then grow. Did you see
it the same way, No doubt. Um, Now, the first
you have to prove that this is serious, this is
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a priority. I think we started to do that. And
to your point, we want to be competitive. We want
to be, you know, a top tier destination, you know,
for the most talented golfers coming out of high school.
And uh, I really feel like that's not a pipe dream,
that that's a true reality in terms of kind of
flipping the the collegiate golf landscape on its head a
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little bit. And so I love that, man, I love
you very much. There's a even this past summer in
the basketball where there's some five star recruits that were thinking, Hey,
maybe HPCs might be the way to go. They're gonna
find me wherever I'm at, the same thing can happen
in golf and uh, and you kind of can look
at just how amazing Howard is in terms of how
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they you know, uplift their students and um, you know,
create this this level of excellence that can be poured
in as well in terms of, you know, what our
expectations are as a program, and um, we obviously have
an amazing coach that's been some other you know, uh,
the top tier programs. I know where it takes to
win at that level. So that's the that's the goal.
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We ain't just doing this yet just to be there
being competitive, being successful U titles. I love that. I
love that, Steph. We're gonna get to those elite players
in a minute, but first I want to ask you.
We We've had Larry Fitzgerald on the show and Larry
is one of those people like you who is golf
with President Obama. And Larry told us the President Obama
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is a sneaky trash talker. Good, so I wanted to
ask you rate his trash talking and tell us a
story about one of his best trash talking sessions. He
he's sneaky because you know his uh, his cadence with
his words, right, He's amazing storyteller, and so UH he
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doesn't switch it up with he's gonna golf for us.
It's kind of that cool mellow he draws you in
and UH, you know, his game is is decent enough
that he's not embarrassing himself out there on the court
because he's not. He's gonna manage his way around the course.
I think the first time we played him, you know,
we were just getting to know each other and and
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I was just getting comfortable around uh President Obama, and
I think he he wanted to kind of break the
ice a little bit because I was. I was riding
in his car with him, and UM I talked to UH.
I guess Michelle had UH had reached out to him
before the round, and UH told him to give me
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a message that if I wanted to talk trash about
President Obama, that I should go straight for the Ears.
I think it was straight for the years. Just trashed
the big ears NonStop, and that's the one that could
get under the skin a little bit. And so he
was humble enough to pass that on to me, knowing
that it was gonna trust. He was giving me some ammos,
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so that might speak to his confidence A trash circles,
so he didn't give me material knowing that he had
some other stuff in the bag. So that that that
says allowed to go? Did you go for it? I
waited to the back now though I didn't want to
get anyone to get kicked off the course too quick.
By the way, who won? So we played twice? Uh.
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The first time I was on his team and we
were playing against my dad and ray Allen. My dad
and Ray Allen, they won, um. And the second time
I was against him and we got the dub. So uh.
It's always fun playing with him no matter where we're at.
And obviously he's got a little bit more free time now,
so hopefully we can keep it going. I'm curious, stef
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if you could play golf with one person one round
living or did who would that one person be? Tiger?
For sure? Um, it's just obviously kind of hero mind
growing up and to know like all he's been through
over the course of his career and you know, all
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the highs and lows and all that. I feel like
that would be an amazing four or five hours out
there to kind of hear his story from his from
his Uh, his lens is live, you know, content out
there now about him and around him. But I love
to hear from his words so um and to see
you know, him hit amazing golf shots all day. But
that would be that would be my guy. I'm actually
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surprised you guys having linked up now we've we've talked
a couple of times. Uh. He actually called me out
the blue back in during our playoff run, UH in
the second round against UH who were playing Memphis, and
uh we were down to one and my pr director
for the Warriors where I was leaving practice in between
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games three and four, and uh, I just want my
first MVP. So that was kind of a talking point.
But we were down in the series and he said, Hey,
if this Florida number calls you, you might want to
answer it. And I was like, all right. So he
called me about an hour later, and uh it was
the biggest pet talk of all time, just out of
the blue. He uh, he he spoke some life into
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our our comeback, um there in that round and he
told me, I said, I'm ready for it. I know
we're gonna get it done. And he dropped he dropped
the mic at the end of the call. He's like,
prove it and then just hung up. Don't get no
better than that, No better than that. He let the
fire on him, for sure. Man, one of kind of
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switch gears a little bit. We talked a lot on
the show about player activism and you've been one of
the voices in the NBA that's been on the forefront
of that. But I noticed on on February three, you
sent out a tweet from the l A Times. It
was a headline that read, note league was more essential
to the social justice movement in the w n B A.
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So I'm interested from your perspective, as a father of
two daughters, as a player in the NBA that has
a voice and a platform, how much influence of what
they're doing impacts you and what you do a lot.
I mean, it seems they're very proactive and using their
voice and being collective and unified across all the different teams,
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and um it just being very very bold and courageous about,
you know, speaking on what they believe, taking a stand
on things no matter what the consequences might be. And
you know, I feel like they're a model across the
board for what it means for athletes to be outspoken,
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to use their platforms to be selfless in that respect, UM,
and to be consistent with it. So that for me
is was worth the shout out and more, UM, you know,
based only not just last year, but we go you know,
years and years back about equal pay. Um. Yeah, conversations
and debates on that and in that topic, and then
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you know, leading into social justice and things that happened
over the last eighteen months. So, like you said, as
as a as a father of an eight and five
year old girl who aren't really interested in basketball as
of yet, but UM have models to look up to
in terms of strong, courageous women that UM don't fit
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in a certain lane. They speak on what they believe,
and I think it makes a huge impact across the
board for sure. That's a beautiful thing. You know what's
interesting stuff is we've seen athletes become more vocal after
Cap took a me in twenty sixteen, even from a
warrior's standpoint. I mean, I know that you were always
socially conscious, but even among warriors and yourself, like, we
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started to hear more, hear you guys speak about things more.
I'm wondering how much did that moment and what he
did awakened something inside you and other athletes. I think
it was huge UM and obviously how polarizing it was
in terms of what his message was in that moment
and not being you know, misconstrued um or taken away
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from him and and kind of reconfigure the other narratives
and things like that. That was what it kind of
was the resolutions like you can you can control only
so much in that respect, but you have to stay
true to what you believe in who you are and
just act on it. Um. You know, all the greatest
ideas and the greatest conversations, so let's just action behind it.
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Then it's kind of a move point. And so UM
that was that was a huge message. And you can
kind of even go back to the generations of path
like you said, is um been a huge movement of
player activism and and and I think the biggest thing
is just being authentic to what you actually believe. There's
a temptation to want to poke your head and your
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nose into every single conversation and argument, and that's okay
if you're well versed and knowledgeable about and understand you know, um,
you know what you're trying to impact or influence UM
and EPT you know, particular conversations. And for me, that's
the rule of thumb. You know, if you're knowledge about it,
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if you have a network of people that you can
tap into to ask the right questions to get the
right information. UM. You know, if for me, being able
to know that there's people on the ground and many
a community across the country that are doing this the work,
especially in social justice and and UH inequality that they've
been doing that that that that's the life's blood work,
then we can uplift those you know, leaders and organizations
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and you know, lend awareness and resources financially, UM man
power whatever it is, UM, we can influence it that
way as well. UM, even up to policy issues Capitol
Hill and all that type of stuff. So there's a
lot of different ways to do it. But being knowledgeable
about not just saying stuff to say it, UM, is
you and someone else that that's knowledgeable and vocal is
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your coach Steve kurt so interested from your perspective, Uh,
what kind of conversations do you guys all that do
you have talking about social issues? Because he's thought known
to be a thoughtful guy far outside of basketball, and
so what is it like to play for a coach
who is supportive of his players being vocal and having
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those interests to want to get involved in. And then
what kind of conversations do you two have about what's
happening in the world. I mean a lot. I think
the biggest thing is just as a perspective on the
daily that we're blessed to play this game at the
highest level and get to be paid handsomely to put
the ball in the basket. And Um, you know, with
that comes a sense of responsibility, UM, speaking your truth
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and speaking out for those that can't you speak for themselves,
and using our platform. And he does foster some conversations
or a lot of conversations within our team, you know,
their film sessions during random meeting throughout the year, that
we kind of break down issues that might be happening.
Or again, it's the perspective that we're not in a
we're in a bubble in our own world, but we're not.
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We're still connected to you know, our brother says left
and right, and so for us to be able to
not loose sight of that UM is huge. And obviously
him the doc rivers Gregg Popovich, Um, you know coaches
across the board, Lloyd Pierce in Atlanta who's running the
I think the coaches Union UM and doing a lot
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of work over this last year. You know, it's a
it's a environment where we all try to empower each
other and support each other in that UM and that
means a lot to not feel like you're on an
island by yourself UM, and that people understand that you know,
you want to be helpful, but maybe there's a and
find out what the right way to do it is.
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To that point step, do you think this is a
moment or a movement, I mean, it's always been a movement.
I think it's just more so that it's not just
a movement within our own communities, that it's uh we
call them the allies, right, and that there's you know,
people on the other side that are listening and here
and and holding themselves accountable to UH to how they
can make change or and and help turn this into
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what I feel like is is different. I feel like
it's more palable and that there's more conversation and more action. UM.
Any time will tell. Hopefully in our lifetime we do
see a better reality for our kids and and the
future generations in that respect. But UM, yeah, I feel
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like we're doing what we can within our power to uh,
to stay true toto that mission, um and to that
that movement if you will. Um, But I don't, I
don't know. I always choose hope at the end of
the day. It's always that one piece where you can say, oh,
things are never gonna change and we're just you know,
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spinning our our legs on the wheel. I always shoots
hope that we are we are moving in the right
direction no matter how long it takes. You know. Stuff,
We've got a little over five minutes left because I
know you've got a hard out here. Um, so let's
have a little fun for a minute. Football wise, we
look at Tom Brady ten super Bowls, forty three years
old this year, playing tremendous, talks about maybe even playing
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until he's fifty. You're about a decade younger than Tom Brady.
How long can you see yourself playing. It's a great question.
I mean it's different sports, different positions. Man. My Pops,
My Pops is always the bromter for me. He played
sixteen years until he's thirty eight, and I got to
see how his body changed over the years, especially it
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was last six and all the work that went into
getting ready for a season. I'm aboudby thirty three next month,
I feel really really good, fresh, able to still do
everything I want to do on the court. So if
I could get to like pushing forty with it and
still be impactful on the court, I feel like that's
a women basketball? Is that straight up and down. You
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can't hide anywhere when you're out there. Um, maybe a
little different convers station, but to Toma's point, just getting
your body where you go out on your own terms
is is? Uh? Is the goal however long or however
many years you know that is. So that's the get
pushing fort It would be amazing and a couple more
couple more championships in there too, I bet it up.
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That's absolutely all right. So UH football still, so you're
a big Panthers fans, So I'm curious, though you've been
in the bay for a minute, why are you not
a Forting Understan At this point, I just can't, I
can't do it. I just come on, is it the colors?
What is it's just growing up going to Bank of
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America Stadium watching uh Jake Delane and Steve Smith and
uh Sim Mohammed, Tim Biakpatuca and go down the list
of all my my favorite Panthers. I just can't. I
can't Sam Mills, Thomas Davis, I can't go. I can't
just I can't let that go. And I can't be
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a to two team type of guy. I'll root for him,
I'll go to the game. I'll be Bay Area pride
when they win. But uh, when the Panthers come out
to the Bay you know what side of the stadium
I'm gonna be on. Are speaking of favorite favorite NFL
player to watch? And why right now? Uh? My homes
for sure. Just see a lot of myself and him,
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and obviously there's been a lot of comparisons. Just that creativity.
You can't blink or you miss something something special, And uh,
I just love his his confidence you when he knows
at any point he can do something special. He's always,
you know, got options. He's got a way to make
a play using his feed or his on side ar past,
whatever it is. Um, he's surrounded by some weapons and
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he knows how to use them. So it's uh, that's
that's that's that guy's he's special. He's generational talent obviously,
so love watching Stephan. When we talk about players such
as yourself, My Homes, Brady, whoever, Fitzgerald, we're talking about greatness.
Is there a common thread through all of you great
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players that maybe we on the outside don't see or
don't know. I think just the common knowledge of how
hard or how much hard work it takes to get
to that level and sustain it, and the pressures that
you feel on a daily to kind of keep doubling
down on that. UM. Let's say we are our own
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up worst en me with our own expectations at times,
and there's nothing anybody that can can say about you
or who about how you played or who you are.
We are biggest critics and so UM the work that
goes into it and the sacrifice that you have to
make to be at that level. UM, I think we
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we it's kind of an unspoken understanding and our appreciation
for for what that means. UM, because there's a lot
of ways that people have fallen off, you know, And
the point about it is, when we were kids, I'm
I wasn't never the most talented guy, and there's always
people that we're more developed, you know, better shooters whatever,
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But I kept working at it, and you know the
difference of opportunity there. Um, it's kind of manifests itself
when you get to this level and you kind of
recognize that. And in those type of people, Thomas has
got a fun one year from music. And then I'll
wrap it up by full circle. Jim's out of hip
hop guys, because this is on me all right. So
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versus who won the battle e forty versus too short?
I know who? I think one? Well, they were making
that Joe little John one right because all the beat
now court side forty of court side forty for me,
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he definitely won. And I think he won one because
I've never seen anybody drinks so much and still maintained
on the verse at A lot of brown liquor, was
consumed a lot of a lot of his own liquor
to you got it own labels, so you gotta check
those out. And then then the antics and the mannerisms
and in the dance, and I actually had to. I
felt so inspired I had to go dress up like
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him and uh and uh and pull out some of
the footwork. So definitely, okay, let me bring this full
circle because I know, you gotta run. How do we
graduates of HBCU and that family get elite athletes such
as yourself to start passing on the Davidson's and the
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U C L A s and the Kentucky's and signing
up for the Howards, the A and T S, the
Hamptons and others. I mean, we're all we're all doing it,
I guess in terms of continue use your platform to
speak on the great things that are happening, speaking about
your experiences there. Obviously I didn't go to Howard or
an h b c U, but if um, you know,
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a cross paths with so many people that speak so
highly of their experience that what has made them successful
in in in life and um, for us, it's just
about continuing to get that word out that this is
a real opportunity, a real life changing, uh you know
type of situation, and the decision um that it's only
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going to continue to get better. So I think that
that wave is started on the national you know level, um,
from the networks that might not uh that weren't talking
about hbc S before. So it's gonna continue to double
down on that. I'm gonna continue the way to flag
from Afar and um, yeah, well when you see when
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you see uh, the Bison golf team on on Golf
Channel chasing the national chaporship, that's gonna be it right there.
I love that. Man. Well, look, I want to say
on behalf of Thomas on, behalf of my co host
Steve Wish, the Howard family, we want to say thank you,
do you follow you down for the golf program for
the basketball team in terms of the curryates being supplied
(40:05):
to them. And I also want to thank you and
your wife for your eat Learned play foundation for all
the work that you're doing there. So much respect, much props,
and and we appreciate you being on the huddle and flow. Man,
I appreciate you guys so much. Uh was as age
you you know, you know it's not like it, Steve,
(40:36):
what an impressive guy. You know. Look, I grew up
in the Bay Area. I used to sit in those
five dollar seats back in the day up in the
Oakland Coliseum arena and watch Joe Barry Carroll and the
Warriors and whatnot. So you know, I'm not hiding my
my fendom here as as it relates to the Golden
State Warriors. But you know, Steph makes it easy to
be a fan of not only the team, but him
(40:56):
and his family in terms of all the work that
they do in the community, trying to make situations better,
in him using his platform to try and make positive
change in this country. And and you know, for our listeners,
you and I both admitted we heard that he was
going to sponsor this Howard University golf team and resurrect
that program after more than two decades of being dormant.
(41:19):
We had to bring him in, you know, And and
we had to have him uh with us and show
some love to him and let him know that that
we consider him an honorary a bice and so um.
It was just it was just an enjoyable time for me.
I could have talked to him all night. And I
love the mad respect for guys like him and Chris
Paul and all of these players who don't who didn't
(41:41):
attend HBCUs, who are putting so much into HBC programs.
Because you know, we talked about Steph sponsoring a golf program.
What's the big deal with that? Yes, okay, great, It's
an extracurricular activity for those student athletes up at Howard,
but also when it gives in other world scholarships for
those kids, scholarship actually curricular. But Jim, as you know,
(42:02):
because you're a big golfer, there's a whole lot of
deals to get broken on the golf course. So even
have these guys, right, so even these guys don't hit
the PGA Tour, they they they are now gonna be
able to depostle, put themselves in position to make the
proper connections and just and just all love some of
Go ahead, huh, Can I tell this quick story, real quick?
I was not a golfer, hadn't played obviously, I didn't
(42:23):
have time, didn't have money at one point to play.
I'm covering the NBA. I'm sitting baseline one day next
to the legendary Jim Hill as you know, the broadcaster
up up in l A. And Jim says to me,
do you play golf? And I said, no, I don't.
He said you need to take up the sport. And
I said why. He said, because that's where deals get done,
that's where you have access to players. And then he
(42:45):
starts telling me about guys he's been on the course with,
from Marcus Allen on down and it was at that
point I knew I've got to take this sport up,
and I did, and now I love it for other reasons.
But you're absolutely right. If you go to an NFL player, UH,
NBA Baseball, whatever, and say hey, let's play around, they
are down to go out on the golf course. So
(43:07):
it's a secret for young reporters out there. UM, take
it up all right, well, Jim, as as we get
out of here. UM, this has been an absolutely incredible
run of of sorrow and loss for us personally, for
those in the sports world. Um. And as we just
(43:28):
learned overnight on Monday, Marty Schottenheimer, someone you're close with
you finally lost his battle to Alzheimer's. We knew this
was coming when they moved him into hospice the past
couple of days ago. But you were close to him.
You've been on the golf course with him many times. UM.
I would just love for you to say some some
kind words about your friend. Oh, Mark, I don't know
(43:51):
that that I have the words. I think about Marty
and how you always used to tell us he was
an English major and he would command a room with
his presence and his voice. The thing I remember about
Marty most is you know, you hear these stories about
him from the far from Afar, him being a hard ass,
a control freak, all those kind of things, and I
remember the Chargers hired him as head coach, and at
(44:13):
that time, my relationship with the organization wasn't necessarily the
greatest because I was a beat writer and I was
writing things that maybe they didn't want to see her here,
and so I right away my antendant was up with Marty,
and I really I wasn't sure if he was someone
to be trusted or not. And long story short, we
had an incident where I felt like he had deceived
me a little bit, and he and I had our
(44:37):
coming to Jesus moment where we laid out what our
expectations were of each other. And without going into specifics,
at the end of that, all I know is that
every time I called him was something controversial that I
had found out and I knew to be true. He
never once lied to me, And you know, as a
beat writer, that's all you can ask for um out
(44:58):
of anyone associated with an organization. You don't have to
give me information, but just don't lie to me. And
Marty was not that guy. And we had conversations about family,
about football, um, and he and it at times about
his fate. And I can say to you, I'm gonna
miss him. I'm gonna miss him a lot. Um. You know,
(45:18):
I spend time with his family down in North Carolina
at their home. He and his lovely wife Pat who
was like the matriarch of all NFL wives. And you
know his son Brian Well uh and his daughter Kristen.
Just he's got four grandkids he's survived by and UM,
I just hope he's at peace. Jim Well said, the
(45:39):
NFL loses another legend, and just quickly as we sign off, Um,
we lost a dear one at NFL Networking, NFL Media
and Chris Westling just a wonderful man, a brother to
all of us. He had battled cancer for a long
time and fought like nobody, a teen fight. I'm glad
(45:59):
that he and his wife Lakeisha were able to have
their son Link so his legacy will live on. Um.
This is a brutal blow. And we've lost a lot.
You know, we lost Vaughan McClure from ESPN, We've lost
Saku Smith from NBA TV, Marty Chris Westling and Jim
the one that you know, none is greater than the other.
(46:21):
But losing Pedro Gomez, a brother of ours from ESPN,
someone I worked with in Miami, someone who we've probably
both had dinner with a million times. Um. The ultimate
reminder to just please love everybody up and be kind
to everyone because this this, this is a fleeting existence existence. Um. Well,
(46:41):
hopefully you can leave a lot of positive memories because
we're all hurting pretty badly right now, no question. Let
me let me tell you a quick story about Pedro.
When I came to San Diego, had never been here
before I came as a high school writer, Pedro was
already here covering one of our high school zones. Didn't
know him from Adam and Pedro says, the media have
a place to staying. He said, no, I'm at the hotel.
(47:02):
He says, why don't you stay at my place? I
didn't know me from anyone. I'm a stranger. And he said,
why don't you stay at my place until you find
a place? And I did. And that's the kind of
guy that Pedro was. Man opened up his heart and
his arms to everyone. And I'm just devastating you know,
I told my wife about it. She knew him. Um.
(47:22):
He was just just a loving man, you know. So, man,
we've lost so many people. Just just just gut it. Yeah,
just gut it. Well, Jim, we gotta go ahead and
button this episode up. Um. So again, I love every people, everybody, Um, Jim,
you take you take his home. It's a great podcast. Um.
(47:44):
And and just really appreciate our guy Thomas Warren again
stepping in and just doing a great job. So Jim,
want you go ahead and bring his home. Yeah. Once again,
we thank you for subscribing to the Postcast podcast. We
thank you for listening. Please continue to leave your questions
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to give you more of what you're funking for. This
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