March 2, 2022 • 33 mins
In this episode, Rhett Lewis is joined by insiders Tom Pelissero and Ian Rapoport live at the NFL combine. Tom and Ian explain why it's so valuable for them and for coaches to be back at the combine and then they touch on the likelihood that the combine could move from Indianapolis to Dallas or Los Angeles. Also, the insiders share where Kyler Murray fits in the Arizona Cardinals future and how Jimmy Garoppolo's shoulder injury changed the market for him and for other quarterbacks.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
I'm read Lewis, and this is NFL Inside Reports special
episode for you guys here this week, coming to you
from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Here from the
Indiana Convention Center where a lot of the work going
on here ahead of the first workouts which began Thursday.
Of course you can see an NFL network go through
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Sunday and our pals here and Insider is Insiders Extraordinaire
Tom Peal Sero Ian Rap Report. Guys. Great to be
back here in the Circle City, the Who's Your State
with all of you guys, the looks on your face,
with that kind of enthusiasm. No, no, so I was
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on I was on another program killed Indianapolis. Yeah, that's
to let you in here. You know what I got
to extra immediately was Chris Ballard. So for people who
don't know, I was on the MacAfee show and I
made a joke. It was not a joke, it was true.
But I made a joke about how cold I always am.
And the only memories I have of Indie are walking
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back to my hotel room absolutely freezing with no jacket
because one year I brought a jacket. Indie not unprepared.
I brought a jacket to Prime forty seven, left it there.
Went the next night with a different jacket, left hat there,
and my wife was as angry at me as she
maybe has ever been. And I'm like, I'm never wearing
a jacket out again. Did you pick those back up
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this week? Where did they hold them for you for
the last two years? But I did. I do constantly
look around to see if anyone one was like an
Endful Network jacket that there wasn't a lot of, So
I do actually look around for it from time to
see if anyone's wearing it. No, so I don't wear
a jacket, so I always say, it's like I'm freezing.
So I walked around from bar to bar and I'm
just freezing. And then the Internauto Star wrote a story
on my comments about how I slammed Indie and then
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like Ballard text me and he's like, why would you
do that to our cities? Like I'm going to kill
you from the podium. I'm like, here's what you're doing
is you're making yourself the story and you're supposed to be.
He's asserting himself after what like twelve years infl network
something like that, like you're still figuring out how TV
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and the internet. I was not. If you say something,
someone might hear it and then repeat it. So right,
so we know how ian feels about Indianapolis. How excited
are you to be back here? And I legitimately love Indianapolis.
I know that there's gonna be a lot of discussion
about the event potentially moving to l a or to Dallas,
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and setting aside those alternatives, the way that this place
is set up, the inner captivity of it. We're not
freezing this week. It's in the sixties. It's actually ian
and I walked over here outside to the stadium, which
I can ever remember doing at the Combine. But Indianapolis
has has a lot going forward in terms of the restaurants,
the all different places, and you kind of get a
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feel for it after many years. You know what teams
are in what hotels, you know where agents and teams
get together. You kind of know all those things, like
if you need to bump into someone, you've got a
pretty good idea of of where that that might happen.
I also love the simplicity of you know, every time
they like there's these longer trips and I'm always like
if I remember to do it, like a month out,
like I'll book dinner reservations at different places like here.
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I'm just like eight o'clock at sant almost every night
because the whole week tom we'll be back there tonight.
There's other places, but it's just like this is like
the simte knows where it is still good. Yeah, anything
any other words to share about sat Almos that might
get written about tomorrow? Um? I love the shrim cocktail. Um,
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I said my wife a lovely picture of the shrimp
cocktail last night at herrying is He's And she sent
me back the emoji that, oh you didn't come by, Zella.
I didn't see you. Big big guests are But Daniel,
Daniel Jeremiah guy do something. I saw some of his friends.
I said to some of his friends. Yes, Um, so
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let's talk about though, about the mechanics of this event
and how valuable it is for you guys in terms
of information gathering and you know what it's like to
have that back this year as opposed to last year
where this event was shut shuttered to literally everyone except
for medical personnel in the prospects. I mean, is it
is it that valuable. I underestimated how valuable and just
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like enjoyable it would be. You know, like so a
bunch of new gms, bunch of new coaches and coaches
and a lot of them gms. I didn't know all
of them, and even just to be able to be
like hello, I'm whoever and have that initial conversation, like
I missed that for two years. Last night I had
a coach who I've been talking to for a year
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look at me and be like in and I was
like you and then like we had not met in person. Really,
this is all where it happens, Like I I missed
it terribly, And we've got fifteen head coaches since essentially
something something in that range, and probably ten new gms,
and that's right. Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's been a
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lot of think that, but I mean everybody was kind
of locked down for quite a while. Lester was a
little bit more normal, but you missed out on, you know,
certain events and get together. So yeah, I mean there's
people that you get to know, you know, over the
phone or whatever, and you never actually get to meet
him in person. So you know, now doing that stuff
even to see like some of the new head coaches
and stuff like that. You know, we had Kevin O'Connell,
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Josh McDaniels on set. I got to catch up with
Mike McDaniel earlier, who every everything that comes out of
his mouth is so hilarious and unique and it's for
the moment, like he's he's a fascinated individual and so
like everything he does. Like the video, I think it
was you retweeted him. It was Andrew with him like
pumping his fist when John Lynch said something nice about
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him at the crowd. John, Yeah, I mean he's It's
gonna be really interesting to see how how that plays out.
I think you get you get to know the dynamics
a little bit because you observe people together. It just
kind of how they are even when they're walking around,
how they interact with the media. And so I was
thinking about that with I don't think it's a secret.
Saw some of the Vikings coaches out last night and
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second nine a row and they were all together and
everyone has friends around the league, but like they were
all together and like whatever bonding that is, like that's
really valuable. I would also say this because there was
a story that was written by some website last year
that you know, basically made out like or two years ago,
but made out the Combine to be like you know,
party clown show. Like no, everyone's out super late because
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like you're trying to see people and like they're spread out.
This is now everything, right, I mean, not not anymore,
that's for sure. Maybe once upot of time at the
Combine for me, but not anymore. It's just like you're
just actually enjoy Yegor Maister, not the Jego bombs, but
like I could sit Yego Master. It is a delicious drink.
You're weird. It's great for another day that we at
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any rate. You know, you feel like like last night
I went to bed about two o'clock and I was like, man,
I really shouldn't. Coaches were being like, oh, you're coming
down the street and I'm like no, I just I can't.
I did it last night and I can't do it again.
But there's just there's that many people in town. It's
it's fun. You know, it's a big networking event for
coaches in front office people to because you know, as
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you're putting together when you have somebody get a job,
the people they know and grant, you go through interview
process and whatnot, but like some of it is just
getting in front of people. Can you work with this person?
You get to know people through these types of events.
That's hugely valuable, um for everybody. Zaberrier was talking, We're
talking about Zach Hayley yesterday talking about the various great
things about the Combine and these meetings and all that.
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And you know, one of the good things for young
coaches is like this is a great time to connect
and meet people, and like coaches of all kinds, opportunities
are born. Yeah, but we were talking about, you know,
minority coaches and how you get some of the really
good minority coaches in front of decision makers. Like this
is a great place, and you know it's unfortunate that
not all people send their staffs like this is really valuable.
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So like when like Zach was saying, I don't think
like talking out of school here because it was like
no secret he was like when he had to hire
I think a secondary coach, like he didn't really know
any he needed to do research because he knew the offer.
But like this is a great place to get everyone
together and meet and interconnect and mingle and like build
connection for us a lot of times when we're talking
about people who may not be you know, the head coaches,
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the gms and things like that, Like you get to
know him in places like this in social settings and
then you can actually speak intelligently just about what type
of guys and then eventually, So Monday night, I had
dinner and like one thing I always do is like
I'll leave a seat at the table whatever the reservations
for I'll invite one too few people because you never
know who's gonna have. So the other night, a head
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coach just happened to be in the place, sits down
with us. We're talking for you know, an hour or
so with me and a couple of other people, and
he starts talking about we started talking about some of
the issues in terms of the minority hiring numbers and
things like that. So he's like he started talking aboute
guy in the staffish like this guy's so good, nobody
knows about him, Like that guy should be a head coach.
That's the guy should be talking about. So I connected
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with him at breakfast with him this morning, Like that's
the stuff that happens. That's just like the unique nature
of everyone's literally being in the same place all the time,
and you get to know some of those people, and
that's that's the only way that you kind of get
to know some of those those people who are not
necessarily the front line face of the organization people and
will probably find his way onto your next coaching GM
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Canada definitely not sourceless, So let me ask you, definitely not.
These are all my source the people within the leagues
they should be. So this is a unique event because
it's merging, you know, like the current NFL world with
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the future NFL world, right, and so how do you
guys kind of balance the intel gathering on what's going
on with teams with you know, what's going on with prospects.
I think the it you know for us, like we're
not you know, we're not trying to do like we
we're not gonna be watching the workouts like I'll peek
it like the quarterback stuff and things like that, Like
I ultimately don't know what I'm looking at. So it's
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more about talking to people within the league, like the least, Yeah,
here's the thing. Are something we do on NFL network
is awesome, like the on the TV and getting like
the new head coaches on the set and stuff like
that's super fun and I think it's great content. But
in terms of like the value to clubs, most of
it is not what happens in there. It's not even
what happens in the stadium, right, it's the medical and
it's the interviews and it's all these other things that
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really until you get days or weeks down the line,
you don't necessarily get all the all the feedback. Again,
unless somebody does something really good or really bad, you
don't hear about the stuff. That's just kind of as expected.
Andy and just walked off. He'll be back. He's gonna
charge his phone. Um so just see you. No nobody
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excuse me. But in terms of this place, like, um so,
my dad, who was a longtime trainer in the league,
you know, had probably been here for thirty of the
thirty five years that the Combine has been in Indianapolis,
and I've been in the league for longer than that,
and you know, loves this place as the home of
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the Combine. And look, staff members like that, coaches, gms
creatures of habit in a big sense, and this has
become such a familiarity to them. How do you feel
like the teams in the team personnel are gonna adapt
when and if this this does eventually change venues, Well,
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it's gonna be a substantial adjustment. Nice. I think that
you know, with Dallas that would probably be fairly similar.
It would be different. Um, great restaurants in Dallas. Yeah,
but that stadium, though, is not close to a lot
of stuff any would so fi stadiums in But it's
a lot of stuff you can't walk. There's not You're
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not just gonna walk out of the stadium and you
are where you need to be and everyone you need
to see. So that's some of the fundamental fabric of
it is all those the interactions team team teamed agent. Well,
here's the other question. Let's and I don't know the
answer to this because I haven't dug that deeply into it,
but let's say they move it to Dallas or l
seems like certainly possible in the next couple of years.
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Do they do the medical off site? Because it did
seem to work doing remote medicals. It's hard to get
the info by the end, but everyone got it and
they all shared the info. Like I wonder if they
just do that here. But this why it's centralized, like
you need to you know, you could everyone has doctors,
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everyone shares info. You could have people have to go
to team facilities and do it. Team doctors all share info.
You could you could make their medical remote. You can
make the drills at the at the Star, you can
make the dinners at the Coon Lodge. And because again
this is it's just making the case. No, and there's
good restaurants in now Is, but Dallas has really really
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good restaurants, including the best barbecue place in the world.
Didn't you live in Dallas for a minute? I did
three years. The medical has changed to like the process
that they're using this year is a little bit different
where it's one doctor is bringing each player around. It
used to be you'd have, however, many rooms and with
six different rooms clusters and present. Now it's one doctor
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goes and presents to everybody really and so then you
know they can ask questions and things like that. So
it's unique. It's a unique process, Like it's not literally
thirty two doctors like going up and poking and problems.
Although you can do that, it's like a different setting
those opportunities to do it. But it is a little
bit different process here. The issue with doing everything remote
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is your trusting local doctors. And maybe some of them
are team physicians, some of them are not. Like you
have thirty two different team doctors, thirty two teams with
different degrees of risk tolerance. So when you're talking about
some of the stuff, and take Carson Strong's knee, for example,
he's got osteochondritis. He's had it since high school. Several procedures,
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wasn't last year, had a couple of a couple of
procedures on it, says he's you know better, he told
me a hundred times better in terms of his mobility
now than he was during last season. But that's a
unique condition. It's one that's strong and you know, his
doctors don't think it's going to be an issue, but
anything like that, teams are going to want to get
up close look at it. So what you want to
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avoid then is, yeah, the local doctor said this, but
we want our guy to get our hands on now,
he's got to get on ten planes and away though
they do with unique cases, but it would be more widespread.
And that was part of the issue with that a
couple of years ago, was you did not have trusted medical.
So again, so let's say even if you just had
the medical here, but then you did the the TV
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aspect of it on the front stuff in l A,
our team is still gonna come in the same numbers.
We already have some teams not coming to this event.
If the teams aren't going, some of the player is go,
why would I work out when half the teams are?
And then we start getting this is the line you
have to kind of walk in terms of making sure
that this is a functional thing for clothes with us,
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because if you bring everyone to l A, it's everyone
comes into the studio sits down. If you get all
the first round picks to go, do everything and right,
it would be content for which it would it would
make in our facility out there is amazing. The state
was amazing, but it was great the first time you
meet everyone in our officers well yeah, you still on
that box on the patio deck there for the six.
Locker room might be the coolest thing. Guys like great
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Rosenthal has a locker room. Mean, get out of here
is a locker Come on, that's a brave New world guys. Okay,
but the guys you just mentioned are doing their podcast
on a State for celebrity again. We're in a back
room at a table next to the gatorade thing. Okay,
so let's not knock them gain great. Yeah, the Influence
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Side Report though, we will be stage off area from
everyone else, just to kind of keep you guys away
from the gin pop out here, you know, and make
sure you don't get hounded, and just want to make
this very comfortable and inviting space. We share all of
your intel what you're gonna do right after this quick
break here an NFL Inside Report all, welcome back everybody
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INFL Inside Report rolling on here from the NFL Scouting
Combine in Indianapolis. Lewis back here with our guys rep
report and Tom Pella Sero here kind of chatting about
the process of the combine, the intel gathering at the top.
Here into some of that hard news as we have
seen now this week that the situation in Arizona with
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the Cardinals has taken a ton of kind of twists
and turns here with the Kyler Murray statement earlier in
the week from the Agent uh and now we find
out that Steve Kim and Cliff Kingsbury the head coach
and GM have both been extended for another years with
the organization, So it feels like that they are moving
forward confidently in that brain trust. Um Ian and and
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then Tom would love to get your thoughts on how
this kind of has all come together with the Cardinal. Yeah,
so it doesn't sound like this was something that got
hammered out last night. For instance. It sounds like this
at least had been done. Uh So I would assume,
knowing what I do about Eric Burkhard, who was the
agent for Cliff Kingsbury and also the agent for Kyler Murray,
that he probably knew they were in a good place
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contract wise with Cliff before doing anything with Kyler. At
least to my brain, that would make some sense. Don't
know that, but that would make some sense. Uh It Also,
you know, I think a lot of people were wanting
the reaction of Kyler Murray. Would he be like pissed?
Would he be like, why haven't they done me? Well,
the reality is these guys helped make Kyler Murray who
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he is. Cliff Kingsbury's offense is part of the reason
why Kyler murray plays the way he does. So, Yes,
in a way, it's a little bit of like, what
are they doing? Why did they do my extension? On
the other hand, he knows the guys who are partly
responsible for his success are going to be there for
a very long time, so it's like kind of weird news,
but it's also very good news for Kyler Murray because
this is stability for the guy who helped make him
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the quarterback he is. And in terms of Kyler, he's
a situation where he's seeing other guys get paid and
the year three year eligible not for an extension. Patrick Mahomes,
Josh Allen, Deshaun Watson, they all got paid. So from
Murray's perspective here, he's do five point five million dollars
in two, which is the fourth YEARNS rookie deal. They'll
obviously pick up the fifth year option too if they're
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on the shield done by then, Because you five point
five million this fall, I do not anticipate that he's
going to play for five point five million. So really
the Cardinals have to decide do you ramp up the
negotiations now, which is earlier in the calendar than those
guys got done. Most of those extensions get done after
the draft or right before training camp. Do you try
to get something done right now which is going to
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be in line with the top but the quarterback markets,
you're talking about forty million dollars plus. I don't know
the specific proposal that was made by Eric Burkhardt, but
certainly you would anticipate he wants to be paid like
all the other guys who always get top of the market,
uh type of money. Do you do that now or
do you run the risk that for everything that's happened
over the past couple of months, deleted Instagram photos, et cetera,
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how does he do that? Did you go through each
photo and somebody, somebody, somebody has has to be a program.
It's possible you could wash him out at any rate
cutting me off there. Um, So you've obviously got some
level of tension here. We've reported on, you know, Gara
Folos reported on some of the things that happened, uh,
you know after the season that they made very clear
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to him that they want more from him in terms
of leadership and everything else. I find that, you know,
a fascinating detail because every year we talk about, you know,
the quarterbacks in particular at this event, and so three
years ago at the Combine one of the topics I
was talking about on TV was about, um the leadership
angle with Kyler Murray, just because he's more to himself.
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He hung out with the baseball players at Oklahoma, you know,
a quieter guy. He had just done some awkward interviews
at the Super Bowl. And I'm not saying this to
be critical Kyler. The point is the Cardinals and every
other team knew what he was. If you were expecting
him tull sudden become Philip Rivers, that wasn't going to happen.
So QB leadership. I mean, he's an effusive guy. Everybody
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in the building feels him all the time. That's why
teams do the homework on these guys. So the Cardinals,
like knew what he was going to be. Whatever growth
they the owner may not think that he saw, obviously,
that's something that they're hoping to get. But this comes
down to one thing for Kyler Murray, which is the
long term contract commitment. And he's the rare player under
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this c B, a who actually can carry it out
if he wants to. And it's early March. If he
wanted to hold out, if he wanted to force their hand,
he actually could do it. Because basically the way that
it works, and this is the simplest version of this,
but they can go after your if you don't report
on time and your missings set number of days, they
can start finding you on a daily basis comes out
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to a million or two and finds over the course
of camp, and then go after your maining bonus pergoration,
which is about five million dollars for Kyler Murray. See
visit there in your Kyler Murray. You're paying back about
seven million dollars. You're assuming your next contract wherever that is,
is gonna be a hundred million plus and then something.
So you can sit there and go if you want
to train wreck the Cardinals, you have the ability to
do it. Again, We're very early and what you had
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amount to a warning shot from Eric Burkhardt that listen,
if we don't get the commitment now, you're gonna have
problems on your hands. It's a unique situation because he
also happens to represent the head coach signs an extension um.
But you know this is really it's the balls in
the Cardinals court. Are they going to say, yeah, all right,
we're gonna go, We're gonna come up or are they
going to go we told you we're gonna do this
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in the summer, and then let Kyler Murray make the
decision on what comes next. There's not a lot of
precedent in our world for a quarterback going scored shirt
against his own team not showing up, having to deal
with it all season. We've seen quarterbacks not always show up.
I think Dac was not always there in the spring.
In the spring, the guys don't hold out in camp
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right because it's so punitive under the currency, and because
their quarterbacks like it would be very unlike I can't
even can you think of the last time someone came
close to doing honestly can't. There have been a lot
of players that have threatened it, but but like quarterbacks
like Kirk Cousins never got an extension but was always
sort of like I'll be fine, I'll play it, and
his contract status is like legendary. I honestly can It's
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just not because because really I do not think from
what I know that the car does have a question
of should we pay Cower. I don't think that's a question.
They feel confident he's They feels tremely amount of timing
and level like how how much? Um? But the playoff
performance wasn't great, dand of the year performance wasn't great
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for the second second ary year, there's leadership and contain
the won the super Bowl. Let's not forget to but
they beat earlier in the year, right, Yeah, But so
it's it's an interesting I think they will pay him.
It's not a slam dunk though, And what if they
don't agree on value and then does he say I
don't care that on the quarterback. I'm not going to show.
It's just but the levels, like when you're talking about
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levels of the money and that the market is the
forty million dollar a year, I mean, like are they like, okay,
well we only want to give him thirty eight million dollars.
I mean like it's and then the point would be
if you're not going to pay him like the franchise
quarterback just yawning over there, Um, if you're not gonna
pay because we covered think about this to the salary
cap is at two eight point something million this year
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right to a point two I think it is. Thanks
for remembering your own reporting. Yeah, thanks, Um, it's gonna
go up. We don't know what the number is going
to be. But hypothetically, with gambling revenue, eighteen game extra playoff, spot,
new TV deals, kicking in Amazon deal, kicking in all
those things, the cap, it wouldn't shock me if the
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caps two hundred fifty million dollars in two years. So
if you're Kyler, why would you just on principle take
a deal that's not at the top of the market.
In other words, because the market is going to go
so far up from here, and you know, we'll have
a fifty million dollar year quarterback in the not too
distant future. So just from a pure economics standard, if
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Rogers gets done, here's the other thing. Sorry to interrupted,
but you are talking very long. Um, Let's say Aaron
Rodger gets done and raises the bar for quarterbacks. It
actually makes sense for Kyler to wait, So I know,
so you've got yeah, So you've got a motivated player
who's saying, I want to get the contract now, but
he's not going to take below the number, noting that
the market is only going to go up in the
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next couple of years. Let's move on to another quarterback
though here where we had some news. I mean, there
was the Dak Prescott news, but it sounds like that's
fairly mine. You guys agree, that's not really very well
connected source in the know. And the pertinent question and
he asked me Abo Dak Prescott was is he left
handed and no shouldering and last year I'm sure he's fine, Okay.
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Jimmy Garoppolo though, sounds like the shoulder surgery was something
that was a bit of a surprise to kind of
all parties. Yeah, so he this had been bothering him
kind of down the stretch and the last couple of games,
and I think the thought was that he would have
surgery on his thumb and rehab his shoulder. Turns out
that they believe he can rehab his thumb and needed
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surgery on the shoulder. And John Lynch was saying, you know,
I would never describe it as minor, but he'll be
fine and hopefully that is the case. But like, here's
the timeline. He has surgery next week. It is a
torn capsule on his throwing shoulder. He can't throw over
sixteen weeks, sixteen weeks, sixteen weeks, he cannot throw. A
team that trades for Jimmy Garoppolo, you say, I am
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trading a it's a second rounder under plus whatever it
is for a guy who can't throw for sixteen weeks,
the spring is shot, but he's ready for training camp
even you probably everything has to everything has to be perfect,
but yes, he could be ready. So barring is setback,
he will be ready. So originally I'm like, well, that
means that probably won't trade him in the until the
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summer or trade deadline, which is all possible. However, let's
say you are a team that needs a quarterback and
you just have to have a quarterback. Do you go
there is risk, but I'm going to take it because
I have to have a quarterback, right, Like if you're
you know, think think about the team would be would
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be the you know Bucks and I can do Grappo,
but um, you know, let's say Washington is it? Saints
would be another one to consider, you know, the Steelers
go get a veteran, Like does some team go, I'm
going to pay him the money and assume the risk,
but I have to know I get one before free agency. Yeah,
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but that that's still a risk, right, So that that
doesn't all of your I have to get one problem
because you're not when you even if you do get him,
you're not. Then if you don't, then you try to
draft one you don't have one, and then you go
through the season with it. Carson Wentz coming off statistically
one of the worst seasons a quarterback could have karnered
a essentially a first round pick and a third or
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fourth whatever it was, a first round pick and more
coming off one of the worst seasons. So it's always,
and particularly this year, a seller's market. There's so many
teams that don't have an answer quarterback. There are a
bunch of names who potentially could be moved, but no
guarantees that they will be. So if you've got Garoppolo
or maybe you've got Carson Wentz, you may get more
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in this market than you would other places, particularly when
free agency there's not a lot of clear answers. There's
guys like Marcus Mariotta, Jameis Winston, former high picks Cam Newton,
but you're not looking at any of those guys, probably
as this is the long term answer. Walking in mits
risky might be the one who does the best out
of the entire group. And then the draft and then
the draft sweepstakes are going to be fascinating because you
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know that somebody thinks he's going to be a starter.
Is this like a Mike Glennon thing? No, I mean
Risky's I mean he's been a pro bowler before. Glennon
had never played before the Bears gave him the million.
I still think that was a huge It was more
than that. Yeah, yeah, but it was eighteen guarantee. Yeah. Anyway,
I still think he got screwed. There was drops and
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there was some passes on. We're not here to debate
the validity of So Trasky has had some products. Super athletic, yeah,
and like young, still really young. Like I have no idea,
but I would assume he signed as a starter. So Garoppolo,
Trabisky WinCE if he does become available. Trabisky is the
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one that stands out as maybe the most attractive free agency.
He probably is just because you don't give up the draft.
Kick Jamis is coming off a significant injury. Mariota just
has never been able to stay healthy. He's obviously very talented,
so much good there that never can stay and never
can stay on the field, which is why I think Cam,
I mean, you saw Cam the second half of last season.
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He'll He'll be somewhere if he wants to be and
if somebody's willing them to give him money. But if
you know, I don't think he's playing for the minimum.
He certainly wasn't last year. So you know, all that
fits together. And then the draft, there's not anybody who's
in debate for the number one pick. I mean not
even close, but I mean people can't get pushed up
the board. But like, there's no guarantee we'll have a
quarterback taken in the top ten at this stage. I
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think something like somebody there's too many, too many QB
needy teams in there will be process. Malik Willis seems
like the one who's getting pushed up a little bit
right now, but it's it's really early. So all that
is to say, if you're a team that needs one,
and I had this conversation with multiple head coaches this week.
One of them I said, like, you know, you're gonna
get a quarterback And the answer I got was, we're
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gonna have to trade for one because you look at
the draft, to look at free agency, there's no answers.
So if you need a quarterback, lear wing big trades
in terms I can't tell you. Well, the Bucks seem
to think that the trading for any quarterback. According to
Jason Lytton Bruce Arians this week is uh not going
to be the easiest thing on planet Earth. It's not
going to be, you know, because you have to give
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up so much. So who has the assets to do it?
I mean the teams have multiple first round picks. The
Eagles they're not going to I mean that's the certainly
the message that they have been putting out that Jalen
Hurts is the guy. The Jets just drafted Zack Wilson.
The Giants at least publicly have very much committed to
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Daniel Jones. Mean, those are the teams with multiple high
first round picks science two and thirty two. Lions would
make some sense, except the Lions are financially tied to
Jared Goff for another year. More like a team that
could draft one rap. Yeah, I would anticipate the Lions
stand in they take the best edge available at two,
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and then at thirty two you had a bunch of
different options. They can take a quarterback like I'd receive
somewhere years to be a corner. I disagree. Why I
have you I have I have a very few hot takes.
This is my my draft hot take that you should
never take a quarterback in the second round. That's not
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the second round, Wines, what you're two thirty two teams?
I think in the next think, I'm thinking four. I
think when did they pick thirty? I was thinking I
thought thirty four thirty two would make some sense. Okay,
So there was expansion in the mid nineties. Remembers and
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the Panthers were later who heard the Browns moved to
Baltimore and then they gave the Browns they gave clearly,
remember was one of the coaches in Sports Illustrated did
a big thing about wouldn't let his coaches were sunglasses
because one of the players see the white and everybody
thought that was totally normal and okay anyway, and we're
gonna end on that note. And then he went to
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New York and one thanks fellas, that's gonna do it
for this episode of NFL Inside Report. Always great to
have Ian and Tom with us. Fantastic insight. Love getting
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City and wonderful great city of Indianapolis and wonderful state
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I'm read Lewis, and this is NFL Inside Reports special
episode for you guys here this week, coming to you
from the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. Here from the
Indiana Convention Center where a lot of the work going
on here ahead of the first workouts which began Thursday.
Of course you can see an NFL network go through
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Sunday and our pals here and Insider is Insiders Extraordinaire
Tom Peal Sero Ian Rap Report. Guys. Great to be
back here in the Circle City, the Who's Your State
with all of you guys, the looks on your face,
with that kind of enthusiasm. No, no, so I was
(00:51):
on I was on another program killed Indianapolis. Yeah, that's
to let you in here. You know what I got
to extra immediately was Chris Ballard. So for people who
don't know, I was on the MacAfee show and I
made a joke. It was not a joke, it was true.
But I made a joke about how cold I always am.
And the only memories I have of Indie are walking
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back to my hotel room absolutely freezing with no jacket
because one year I brought a jacket. Indie not unprepared.
I brought a jacket to Prime forty seven, left it there.
Went the next night with a different jacket, left hat there,
and my wife was as angry at me as she
maybe has ever been. And I'm like, I'm never wearing
a jacket out again. Did you pick those back up
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this week? Where did they hold them for you for
the last two years? But I did. I do constantly
look around to see if anyone one was like an
Endful Network jacket that there wasn't a lot of, So
I do actually look around for it from time to
see if anyone's wearing it. No, so I don't wear
a jacket, so I always say, it's like I'm freezing.
So I walked around from bar to bar and I'm
just freezing. And then the Internauto Star wrote a story
on my comments about how I slammed Indie and then
(01:57):
like Ballard text me and he's like, why would you
do that to our cities? Like I'm going to kill
you from the podium. I'm like, here's what you're doing
is you're making yourself the story and you're supposed to be.
He's asserting himself after what like twelve years infl network
something like that, like you're still figuring out how TV
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and the internet. I was not. If you say something,
someone might hear it and then repeat it. So right,
so we know how ian feels about Indianapolis. How excited
are you to be back here? And I legitimately love Indianapolis.
I know that there's gonna be a lot of discussion
about the event potentially moving to l a or to Dallas,
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and setting aside those alternatives, the way that this place
is set up, the inner captivity of it. We're not
freezing this week. It's in the sixties. It's actually ian
and I walked over here outside to the stadium, which
I can ever remember doing at the Combine. But Indianapolis
has has a lot going forward in terms of the restaurants,
the all different places, and you kind of get a
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feel for it after many years. You know what teams
are in what hotels, you know where agents and teams
get together. You kind of know all those things, like
if you need to bump into someone, you've got a
pretty good idea of of where that that might happen.
I also love the simplicity of you know, every time
they like there's these longer trips and I'm always like
if I remember to do it, like a month out,
like I'll book dinner reservations at different places like here.
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I'm just like eight o'clock at sant almost every night
because the whole week tom we'll be back there tonight.
There's other places, but it's just like this is like
the simte knows where it is still good. Yeah, anything
any other words to share about sat Almos that might
get written about tomorrow? Um? I love the shrim cocktail. Um,
(03:45):
I said my wife a lovely picture of the shrimp
cocktail last night at herrying is He's And she sent
me back the emoji that, oh you didn't come by, Zella.
I didn't see you. Big big guests are But Daniel,
Daniel Jeremiah guy do something. I saw some of his friends.
I said to some of his friends. Yes, Um, so
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let's talk about though, about the mechanics of this event
and how valuable it is for you guys in terms
of information gathering and you know what it's like to
have that back this year as opposed to last year
where this event was shut shuttered to literally everyone except
for medical personnel in the prospects. I mean, is it
is it that valuable. I underestimated how valuable and just
(04:30):
like enjoyable it would be. You know, like so a
bunch of new gms, bunch of new coaches and coaches
and a lot of them gms. I didn't know all
of them, and even just to be able to be
like hello, I'm whoever and have that initial conversation, like
I missed that for two years. Last night I had
a coach who I've been talking to for a year
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look at me and be like in and I was
like you and then like we had not met in person. Really,
this is all where it happens, Like I I missed
it terribly, And we've got fifteen head coaches since essentially
something something in that range, and probably ten new gms,
and that's right. Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's been a
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lot of think that, but I mean everybody was kind
of locked down for quite a while. Lester was a
little bit more normal, but you missed out on, you know,
certain events and get together. So yeah, I mean there's
people that you get to know, you know, over the
phone or whatever, and you never actually get to meet
him in person. So you know, now doing that stuff
even to see like some of the new head coaches
and stuff like that. You know, we had Kevin O'Connell,
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Josh McDaniels on set. I got to catch up with
Mike McDaniel earlier, who every everything that comes out of
his mouth is so hilarious and unique and it's for
the moment, like he's he's a fascinated individual and so
like everything he does. Like the video, I think it
was you retweeted him. It was Andrew with him like
pumping his fist when John Lynch said something nice about
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him at the crowd. John, Yeah, I mean he's It's
gonna be really interesting to see how how that plays out.
I think you get you get to know the dynamics
a little bit because you observe people together. It just
kind of how they are even when they're walking around,
how they interact with the media. And so I was
thinking about that with I don't think it's a secret.
Saw some of the Vikings coaches out last night and
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second nine a row and they were all together and
everyone has friends around the league, but like they were
all together and like whatever bonding that is, like that's
really valuable. I would also say this because there was
a story that was written by some website last year
that you know, basically made out like or two years ago,
but made out the Combine to be like you know,
party clown show. Like no, everyone's out super late because
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like you're trying to see people and like they're spread out.
This is now everything, right, I mean, not not anymore,
that's for sure. Maybe once upot of time at the
Combine for me, but not anymore. It's just like you're
just actually enjoy Yegor Maister, not the Jego bombs, but
like I could sit Yego Master. It is a delicious drink.
You're weird. It's great for another day that we at
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any rate. You know, you feel like like last night
I went to bed about two o'clock and I was like, man,
I really shouldn't. Coaches were being like, oh, you're coming
down the street and I'm like no, I just I can't.
I did it last night and I can't do it again.
But there's just there's that many people in town. It's
it's fun. You know, it's a big networking event for
coaches in front office people to because you know, as
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you're putting together when you have somebody get a job,
the people they know and grant, you go through interview
process and whatnot, but like some of it is just
getting in front of people. Can you work with this person?
You get to know people through these types of events.
That's hugely valuable, um for everybody. Zaberrier was talking, We're
talking about Zach Hayley yesterday talking about the various great
things about the Combine and these meetings and all that.
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And you know, one of the good things for young
coaches is like this is a great time to connect
and meet people, and like coaches of all kinds, opportunities
are born. Yeah, but we were talking about, you know,
minority coaches and how you get some of the really
good minority coaches in front of decision makers. Like this
is a great place, and you know it's unfortunate that
not all people send their staffs like this is really valuable.
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So like when like Zach was saying, I don't think
like talking out of school here because it was like
no secret he was like when he had to hire
I think a secondary coach, like he didn't really know
any he needed to do research because he knew the offer.
But like this is a great place to get everyone
together and meet and interconnect and mingle and like build
connection for us a lot of times when we're talking
about people who may not be you know, the head coaches,
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the gms and things like that, Like you get to
know him in places like this in social settings and
then you can actually speak intelligently just about what type
of guys and then eventually, So Monday night, I had
dinner and like one thing I always do is like
I'll leave a seat at the table whatever the reservations
for I'll invite one too few people because you never
know who's gonna have. So the other night, a head
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coach just happened to be in the place, sits down
with us. We're talking for you know, an hour or
so with me and a couple of other people, and
he starts talking about we started talking about some of
the issues in terms of the minority hiring numbers and
things like that. So he's like he started talking aboute
guy in the staffish like this guy's so good, nobody
knows about him, Like that guy should be a head coach.
That's the guy should be talking about. So I connected
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with him at breakfast with him this morning, Like that's
the stuff that happens. That's just like the unique nature
of everyone's literally being in the same place all the time,
and you get to know some of those people, and
that's that's the only way that you kind of get
to know some of those those people who are not
necessarily the front line face of the organization people and
will probably find his way onto your next coaching GM
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Canada definitely not sourceless, So let me ask you, definitely not.
These are all my source the people within the leagues
they should be. So this is a unique event because
it's merging, you know, like the current NFL world with
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the future NFL world, right, and so how do you
guys kind of balance the intel gathering on what's going
on with teams with you know, what's going on with prospects.
I think the it you know for us, like we're
not you know, we're not trying to do like we
we're not gonna be watching the workouts like I'll peek
it like the quarterback stuff and things like that, Like
I ultimately don't know what I'm looking at. So it's
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more about talking to people within the league, like the least, Yeah,
here's the thing. Are something we do on NFL network
is awesome, like the on the TV and getting like
the new head coaches on the set and stuff like
that's super fun and I think it's great content. But
in terms of like the value to clubs, most of
it is not what happens in there. It's not even
what happens in the stadium, right, it's the medical and
it's the interviews and it's all these other things that
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really until you get days or weeks down the line,
you don't necessarily get all the all the feedback. Again,
unless somebody does something really good or really bad, you
don't hear about the stuff. That's just kind of as expected.
Andy and just walked off. He'll be back. He's gonna
charge his phone. Um so just see you. No nobody
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excuse me. But in terms of this place, like, um so,
my dad, who was a longtime trainer in the league,
you know, had probably been here for thirty of the
thirty five years that the Combine has been in Indianapolis,
and I've been in the league for longer than that,
and you know, loves this place as the home of
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the Combine. And look, staff members like that, coaches, gms
creatures of habit in a big sense, and this has
become such a familiarity to them. How do you feel
like the teams in the team personnel are gonna adapt
when and if this this does eventually change venues, Well,
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it's gonna be a substantial adjustment. Nice. I think that
you know, with Dallas that would probably be fairly similar.
It would be different. Um, great restaurants in Dallas. Yeah,
but that stadium, though, is not close to a lot
of stuff any would so fi stadiums in But it's
a lot of stuff you can't walk. There's not You're
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not just gonna walk out of the stadium and you
are where you need to be and everyone you need
to see. So that's some of the fundamental fabric of
it is all those the interactions team team teamed agent. Well,
here's the other question. Let's and I don't know the
answer to this because I haven't dug that deeply into it,
but let's say they move it to Dallas or l
seems like certainly possible in the next couple of years.
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Do they do the medical off site? Because it did
seem to work doing remote medicals. It's hard to get
the info by the end, but everyone got it and
they all shared the info. Like I wonder if they
just do that here. But this why it's centralized, like
you need to you know, you could everyone has doctors,
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everyone shares info. You could have people have to go
to team facilities and do it. Team doctors all share info.
You could you could make their medical remote. You can
make the drills at the at the Star, you can
make the dinners at the Coon Lodge. And because again
this is it's just making the case. No, and there's
good restaurants in now Is, but Dallas has really really
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good restaurants, including the best barbecue place in the world.
Didn't you live in Dallas for a minute? I did
three years. The medical has changed to like the process
that they're using this year is a little bit different
where it's one doctor is bringing each player around. It
used to be you'd have, however, many rooms and with
six different rooms clusters and present. Now it's one doctor
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goes and presents to everybody really and so then you
know they can ask questions and things like that. So
it's unique. It's a unique process, Like it's not literally
thirty two doctors like going up and poking and problems.
Although you can do that, it's like a different setting
those opportunities to do it. But it is a little
bit different process here. The issue with doing everything remote
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is your trusting local doctors. And maybe some of them
are team physicians, some of them are not. Like you
have thirty two different team doctors, thirty two teams with
different degrees of risk tolerance. So when you're talking about
some of the stuff, and take Carson Strong's knee, for example,
he's got osteochondritis. He's had it since high school. Several procedures,
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wasn't last year, had a couple of a couple of
procedures on it, says he's you know better, he told
me a hundred times better in terms of his mobility
now than he was during last season. But that's a
unique condition. It's one that's strong and you know, his
doctors don't think it's going to be an issue, but
anything like that, teams are going to want to get
up close look at it. So what you want to
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avoid then is, yeah, the local doctor said this, but
we want our guy to get our hands on now,
he's got to get on ten planes and away though
they do with unique cases, but it would be more widespread.
And that was part of the issue with that a
couple of years ago, was you did not have trusted medical.
So again, so let's say even if you just had
the medical here, but then you did the the TV
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aspect of it on the front stuff in l A,
our team is still gonna come in the same numbers.
We already have some teams not coming to this event.
If the teams aren't going, some of the player is go,
why would I work out when half the teams are?
And then we start getting this is the line you
have to kind of walk in terms of making sure
that this is a functional thing for clothes with us,
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because if you bring everyone to l A, it's everyone
comes into the studio sits down. If you get all
the first round picks to go, do everything and right,
it would be content for which it would it would
make in our facility out there is amazing. The state
was amazing, but it was great the first time you
meet everyone in our officers well yeah, you still on
that box on the patio deck there for the six.
Locker room might be the coolest thing. Guys like great
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Rosenthal has a locker room. Mean, get out of here
is a locker Come on, that's a brave New world guys. Okay,
but the guys you just mentioned are doing their podcast
on a State for celebrity again. We're in a back
room at a table next to the gatorade thing. Okay,
so let's not knock them gain great. Yeah, the Influence
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Side Report though, we will be stage off area from
everyone else, just to kind of keep you guys away
from the gin pop out here, you know, and make
sure you don't get hounded, and just want to make
this very comfortable and inviting space. We share all of
your intel what you're gonna do right after this quick
break here an NFL Inside Report all, welcome back everybody
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INFL Inside Report rolling on here from the NFL Scouting
Combine in Indianapolis. Lewis back here with our guys rep
report and Tom Pella Sero here kind of chatting about
the process of the combine, the intel gathering at the top.
Here into some of that hard news as we have
seen now this week that the situation in Arizona with
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the Cardinals has taken a ton of kind of twists
and turns here with the Kyler Murray statement earlier in
the week from the Agent uh and now we find
out that Steve Kim and Cliff Kingsbury the head coach
and GM have both been extended for another years with
the organization, So it feels like that they are moving
forward confidently in that brain trust. Um Ian and and
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then Tom would love to get your thoughts on how
this kind of has all come together with the Cardinal. Yeah,
so it doesn't sound like this was something that got
hammered out last night. For instance. It sounds like this
at least had been done. Uh So I would assume,
knowing what I do about Eric Burkhard, who was the
agent for Cliff Kingsbury and also the agent for Kyler Murray,
that he probably knew they were in a good place
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contract wise with Cliff before doing anything with Kyler. At
least to my brain, that would make some sense. Don't
know that, but that would make some sense. Uh It Also,
you know, I think a lot of people were wanting
the reaction of Kyler Murray. Would he be like pissed?
Would he be like, why haven't they done me? Well,
the reality is these guys helped make Kyler Murray who
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he is. Cliff Kingsbury's offense is part of the reason
why Kyler murray plays the way he does. So, Yes,
in a way, it's a little bit of like, what
are they doing? Why did they do my extension? On
the other hand, he knows the guys who are partly
responsible for his success are going to be there for
a very long time, so it's like kind of weird news,
but it's also very good news for Kyler Murray because
this is stability for the guy who helped make him
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the quarterback he is. And in terms of Kyler, he's
a situation where he's seeing other guys get paid and
the year three year eligible not for an extension. Patrick Mahomes,
Josh Allen, Deshaun Watson, they all got paid. So from
Murray's perspective here, he's do five point five million dollars
in two, which is the fourth YEARNS rookie deal. They'll
obviously pick up the fifth year option too if they're
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on the shield done by then, Because you five point
five million this fall, I do not anticipate that he's
going to play for five point five million. So really
the Cardinals have to decide do you ramp up the
negotiations now, which is earlier in the calendar than those
guys got done. Most of those extensions get done after
the draft or right before training camp. Do you try
to get something done right now which is going to
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be in line with the top but the quarterback markets,
you're talking about forty million dollars plus. I don't know
the specific proposal that was made by Eric Burkhardt, but
certainly you would anticipate he wants to be paid like
all the other guys who always get top of the market,
uh type of money. Do you do that now or
do you run the risk that for everything that's happened
over the past couple of months, deleted Instagram photos, et cetera,
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how does he do that? Did you go through each
photo and somebody, somebody, somebody has has to be a program.
It's possible you could wash him out at any rate
cutting me off there. Um, So you've obviously got some
level of tension here. We've reported on, you know, Gara
Folos reported on some of the things that happened, uh,
you know after the season that they made very clear
(19:42):
to him that they want more from him in terms
of leadership and everything else. I find that, you know,
a fascinating detail because every year we talk about, you know,
the quarterbacks in particular at this event, and so three
years ago at the Combine one of the topics I
was talking about on TV was about, um the leadership
angle with Kyler Murray, just because he's more to himself.
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He hung out with the baseball players at Oklahoma, you know,
a quieter guy. He had just done some awkward interviews
at the Super Bowl. And I'm not saying this to
be critical Kyler. The point is the Cardinals and every
other team knew what he was. If you were expecting
him tull sudden become Philip Rivers, that wasn't going to happen.
So QB leadership. I mean, he's an effusive guy. Everybody
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in the building feels him all the time. That's why
teams do the homework on these guys. So the Cardinals,
like knew what he was going to be. Whatever growth
they the owner may not think that he saw, obviously,
that's something that they're hoping to get. But this comes
down to one thing for Kyler Murray, which is the
long term contract commitment. And he's the rare player under
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this c B, a who actually can carry it out
if he wants to. And it's early March. If he
wanted to hold out, if he wanted to force their hand,
he actually could do it. Because basically the way that
it works, and this is the simplest version of this,
but they can go after your if you don't report
on time and your missings set number of days, they
can start finding you on a daily basis comes out
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to a million or two and finds over the course
of camp, and then go after your maining bonus pergoration,
which is about five million dollars for Kyler Murray. See
visit there in your Kyler Murray. You're paying back about
seven million dollars. You're assuming your next contract wherever that is,
is gonna be a hundred million plus and then something.
So you can sit there and go if you want
to train wreck the Cardinals, you have the ability to
do it. Again, We're very early and what you had
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amount to a warning shot from Eric Burkhardt that listen,
if we don't get the commitment now, you're gonna have
problems on your hands. It's a unique situation because he
also happens to represent the head coach signs an extension um.
But you know this is really it's the balls in
the Cardinals court. Are they going to say, yeah, all right,
we're gonna go, We're gonna come up or are they
going to go we told you we're gonna do this
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in the summer, and then let Kyler Murray make the
decision on what comes next. There's not a lot of
precedent in our world for a quarterback going scored shirt
against his own team not showing up, having to deal
with it all season. We've seen quarterbacks not always show up.
I think Dac was not always there in the spring.
In the spring, the guys don't hold out in camp
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right because it's so punitive under the currency, and because
their quarterbacks like it would be very unlike I can't
even can you think of the last time someone came
close to doing honestly can't. There have been a lot
of players that have threatened it, but but like quarterbacks
like Kirk Cousins never got an extension but was always
sort of like I'll be fine, I'll play it, and
his contract status is like legendary. I honestly can It's
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just not because because really I do not think from
what I know that the car does have a question
of should we pay Cower. I don't think that's a question.
They feel confident he's They feels tremely amount of timing
and level like how how much? Um? But the playoff
performance wasn't great, dand of the year performance wasn't great
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for the second second ary year, there's leadership and contain
the won the super Bowl. Let's not forget to but
they beat earlier in the year, right, Yeah, But so
it's it's an interesting I think they will pay him.
It's not a slam dunk though, And what if they
don't agree on value and then does he say I
don't care that on the quarterback. I'm not going to show.
It's just but the levels, like when you're talking about
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levels of the money and that the market is the
forty million dollar a year, I mean, like are they like, okay,
well we only want to give him thirty eight million dollars.
I mean like it's and then the point would be
if you're not going to pay him like the franchise
quarterback just yawning over there, Um, if you're not gonna
pay because we covered think about this to the salary
cap is at two eight point something million this year
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right to a point two I think it is. Thanks
for remembering your own reporting. Yeah, thanks, Um, it's gonna
go up. We don't know what the number is going
to be. But hypothetically, with gambling revenue, eighteen game extra playoff, spot,
new TV deals, kicking in Amazon deal, kicking in all
those things, the cap, it wouldn't shock me if the
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caps two hundred fifty million dollars in two years. So
if you're Kyler, why would you just on principle take
a deal that's not at the top of the market.
In other words, because the market is going to go
so far up from here, and you know, we'll have
a fifty million dollar year quarterback in the not too
distant future. So just from a pure economics standard, if
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Rogers gets done, here's the other thing. Sorry to interrupted,
but you are talking very long. Um, Let's say Aaron
Rodger gets done and raises the bar for quarterbacks. It
actually makes sense for Kyler to wait, So I know,
so you've got yeah, So you've got a motivated player
who's saying, I want to get the contract now, but
he's not going to take below the number, noting that
the market is only going to go up in the
(24:45):
next couple of years. Let's move on to another quarterback
though here where we had some news. I mean, there
was the Dak Prescott news, but it sounds like that's
fairly mine. You guys agree, that's not really very well
connected source in the know. And the pertinent question and
he asked me Abo Dak Prescott was is he left
handed and no shouldering and last year I'm sure he's fine, Okay.
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Jimmy Garoppolo though, sounds like the shoulder surgery was something
that was a bit of a surprise to kind of
all parties. Yeah, so he this had been bothering him
kind of down the stretch and the last couple of games,
and I think the thought was that he would have
surgery on his thumb and rehab his shoulder. Turns out
that they believe he can rehab his thumb and needed
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surgery on the shoulder. And John Lynch was saying, you know,
I would never describe it as minor, but he'll be
fine and hopefully that is the case. But like, here's
the timeline. He has surgery next week. It is a
torn capsule on his throwing shoulder. He can't throw over
sixteen weeks, sixteen weeks, sixteen weeks, he cannot throw. A
team that trades for Jimmy Garoppolo, you say, I am
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trading a it's a second rounder under plus whatever it
is for a guy who can't throw for sixteen weeks,
the spring is shot, but he's ready for training camp
even you probably everything has to everything has to be perfect,
but yes, he could be ready. So barring is setback,
he will be ready. So originally I'm like, well, that
means that probably won't trade him in the until the
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summer or trade deadline, which is all possible. However, let's
say you are a team that needs a quarterback and
you just have to have a quarterback. Do you go
there is risk, but I'm going to take it because
I have to have a quarterback, right, Like if you're
you know, think think about the team would be would
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be the you know Bucks and I can do Grappo,
but um, you know, let's say Washington is it? Saints
would be another one to consider, you know, the Steelers
go get a veteran, Like does some team go, I'm
going to pay him the money and assume the risk,
but I have to know I get one before free agency. Yeah,
(26:57):
but that that's still a risk, right, So that that
doesn't all of your I have to get one problem
because you're not when you even if you do get him,
you're not. Then if you don't, then you try to
draft one you don't have one, and then you go
through the season with it. Carson Wentz coming off statistically
one of the worst seasons a quarterback could have karnered
a essentially a first round pick and a third or
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fourth whatever it was, a first round pick and more
coming off one of the worst seasons. So it's always,
and particularly this year, a seller's market. There's so many
teams that don't have an answer quarterback. There are a
bunch of names who potentially could be moved, but no
guarantees that they will be. So if you've got Garoppolo
or maybe you've got Carson Wentz, you may get more
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in this market than you would other places, particularly when
free agency there's not a lot of clear answers. There's
guys like Marcus Mariotta, Jameis Winston, former high picks Cam Newton,
but you're not looking at any of those guys, probably
as this is the long term answer. Walking in mits
risky might be the one who does the best out
of the entire group. And then the draft and then
the draft sweepstakes are going to be fascinating because you
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know that somebody thinks he's going to be a starter.
Is this like a Mike Glennon thing? No, I mean
Risky's I mean he's been a pro bowler before. Glennon
had never played before the Bears gave him the million.
I still think that was a huge It was more
than that. Yeah, yeah, but it was eighteen guarantee. Yeah. Anyway,
I still think he got screwed. There was drops and
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there was some passes on. We're not here to debate
the validity of So Trasky has had some products. Super athletic, yeah,
and like young, still really young. Like I have no idea,
but I would assume he signed as a starter. So Garoppolo,
Trabisky WinCE if he does become available. Trabisky is the
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one that stands out as maybe the most attractive free agency.
He probably is just because you don't give up the draft.
Kick Jamis is coming off a significant injury. Mariota just
has never been able to stay healthy. He's obviously very talented,
so much good there that never can stay and never
can stay on the field, which is why I think Cam,
I mean, you saw Cam the second half of last season.
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He'll He'll be somewhere if he wants to be and
if somebody's willing them to give him money. But if
you know, I don't think he's playing for the minimum.
He certainly wasn't last year. So you know, all that
fits together. And then the draft, there's not anybody who's
in debate for the number one pick. I mean not
even close, but I mean people can't get pushed up
the board. But like, there's no guarantee we'll have a
quarterback taken in the top ten at this stage. I
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think something like somebody there's too many, too many QB
needy teams in there will be process. Malik Willis seems
like the one who's getting pushed up a little bit
right now, but it's it's really early. So all that
is to say, if you're a team that needs one,
and I had this conversation with multiple head coaches this week.
One of them I said, like, you know, you're gonna
get a quarterback And the answer I got was, we're
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gonna have to trade for one because you look at
the draft, to look at free agency, there's no answers.
So if you need a quarterback, lear wing big trades
in terms I can't tell you. Well, the Bucks seem
to think that the trading for any quarterback. According to
Jason Lytton Bruce Arians this week is uh not going
to be the easiest thing on planet Earth. It's not
going to be, you know, because you have to give
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up so much. So who has the assets to do it?
I mean the teams have multiple first round picks. The
Eagles they're not going to I mean that's the certainly
the message that they have been putting out that Jalen
Hurts is the guy. The Jets just drafted Zack Wilson.
The Giants at least publicly have very much committed to
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Daniel Jones. Mean, those are the teams with multiple high
first round picks science two and thirty two. Lions would
make some sense, except the Lions are financially tied to
Jared Goff for another year. More like a team that
could draft one rap. Yeah, I would anticipate the Lions
stand in they take the best edge available at two,
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and then at thirty two you had a bunch of
different options. They can take a quarterback like I'd receive
somewhere years to be a corner. I disagree. Why I
have you I have I have a very few hot takes.
This is my my draft hot take that you should
never take a quarterback in the second round. That's not
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the second round, Wines, what you're two thirty two teams?
I think in the next think, I'm thinking four. I
think when did they pick thirty? I was thinking I
thought thirty four thirty two would make some sense. Okay,
So there was expansion in the mid nineties. Remembers and
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the Panthers were later who heard the Browns moved to
Baltimore and then they gave the Browns they gave clearly,
remember was one of the coaches in Sports Illustrated did
a big thing about wouldn't let his coaches were sunglasses
because one of the players see the white and everybody
thought that was totally normal and okay anyway, and we're
gonna end on that note. And then he went to
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New York and one thanks fellas, that's gonna do it
for this episode of NFL Inside Report. Always great to
have Ian and Tom with us. Fantastic insight. Love getting
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a little bit of that behind the curtain type of
insight on how some of these stories and some of
these relationships and connections are forged here in the great
City and wonderful great city of Indianapolis and wonderful state
of Indiana. Regardless of whatever ian says, thanks for being
with us. Reminder to download, rate review our show on
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Thomas Warren and timper Rocca, I'm your host, Red Lewis.
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