April 5, 2023 • 35 mins
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks are back with a new episode of Move the Sticks. On this special show, Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks go through an offensive position mock draft. The guys each pick 11 starters, with Daniel Jeremiah kicking it off with the first pick and the pair can take any position at any time. The unique part of this mock draft is that the duo has to each pick 1 quarterback, 1 running back, 1 tight end, 3 wide receivers and 5 offensive linemen. Find out the final team for both guys in this episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ, Bucky
with you, Buck? What's going on? Man? Everything's good. DJ.
I don't know if you've been paying attention to baseball,
but I just happen to look at the NL West standings.
Ha ha. Look, the more things change, the more things
stay the same. You know, five games in, by the way,
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by the way, Superman, Superman is already He's already taken
Hacks down Triple A right now, So we got fourteen
more games and Superman comes up. I'd be okay at
that point in time, but no, Hey, I gotta give
it to Dodgers though, because everybody was saying, you know,
all they're playing, they're playing all the young guys, and
I'm like, ah, they're not dumb like these young guys.
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Turns out these young guys are pretty good. So it's
gonna be a fun summer. It's gonna be a fun
summer with those two teams. You know what, I think
we're gonna have to take Move the Sticks on the road.
I think I might have to do a road trip
and do a game and then we have to bring
you up, and we have to do one in Chavez
Rvy all right, and I mean people to make sure
that we do it. I know you have a particular
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taste based on how they roll out the rich carpet
for you down in San Diego. I'ma have to make
sure that I kind of worked at back channels to
make sure I get you similar treatment when you come
to Dodgers. That's fair, That's fair. Um, all right, we've
got we've got a fun one today. We haven't done
this in a while. We usually do this a couple
times during draft season, so let's get it started today.
What we're gonna do is we're going to have a
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mock draft for the offense. So in other words, we've
got eleven positions that we each need to fill. You
can't draft two quarterbacks, you know, you can't draft five receivers.
You've got to fill the spot. So we're gonna do
eleven rounds. We're gonna just roll this out as eleven personnel.
So we're gonna end up having a quarterback or running back,
three wideouts, a tight end, two tackles, and three interior
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offensive linemen. So we'll kind of just go back and
forth on this thing, which will lead to some good discussions,
some good debates. You can go you know, you can
go out out of order, whatever position that you want
to go of how to fill these spots. Um. And
then afterwards we'll look back at the two at the
two teams buck eleven on eleven and maybe we maybe
we uh, maybe we send this out. We've done this
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in the past. We kind of lab out these rosters
a little twitterful decide. But I think to get things started,
I'm gonna go out in a limb and say the
bile does not have any change in his pocket. I
know he's off to the side, but does he have
does he have a quarter or a penny or a
nickel or a dime that we can noo, this is
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what we do. We'll let you have the first pick
on offense, and I'll just take the first pick on defense. Okay, Okay,
when we have to the next whenever we do the
defensive mock draft, I'll take the first pick with the defense.
So offensively we'll go. We'll let Team DJ take the
first the number one overall pick. Okay. There's lots of
strategy involved here as well. Um. After this first pick.
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I'm curious to see what you end up doing, but
you already know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go
Bryce Young. I'm gonna take the quarterback that I want here.
So I'm gonna go Bryce Young with the first overall pick.
I think he's the best quarterback in the draft. Obviously,
the frame is the only knock is the only concern.
But I'm getting somebody that I feel. You know, Buck,
there's there's there's uh quarterbacks every year where you can
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find the good games and you find the bad games
and you gotta you hope that the good outweighs the bad,
and you try and buy into the good and you
try and explain the bad. With Bryce, it's kind of
unique because there's just really not bad tape Like you
don't you don't have a game where you watch him
and you're like, oh man, uh, I mean we've talked
about it before. Even in their losses, they're scoring points,
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they're competitive, he's got them in position. You know. LSU
game is a great example. He just never gets another
shot at it. They go for two and overtime games
over Tennessee. It's a track meet, you know, up and
down the field. You go to Georgia the year before,
he lights them up in the SEC championship game. Then
they're down a couple of wideouts in the in the
National championship game and they lose, but he's still moved
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the ball and there's good things take away from that.
So anyways, long way of saying, I'm gonna go Bright
Young with the first pick, well, anyone who knows you
and knows the conversation that we had when it comes
to the quarterback, Bryce Young makes a lot of sense,
and it makes a lot of sense with the number
one overall pick. When we talk about just playing the game.
It's hard to find a better quarterback at playing the
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game than Bryce Young. The way that he gets the
ball out of his hands, the way that he throws
it inside and outside of the pocket, the way that
he finishes game, which I think is really an underrated skill,
the way you perform in the clutch the last two
minutes of the half, the last two minutes of the game.
Not many better than him, So I can understand he's
worthy of being a number one overall pick. And because
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we're doing this and this is not reality, this is
almost like a fantasy football. It is it is. You're
just taking one quarterback. It really opens up. It opens
up the board for me and d You mean, I
know this, but i'man a four time Fantasy Football champion
and that's because of the strategies that I like to employ.
And so what we're going to do, I think a
quarter until eleven like this harkens back to the days
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of the seventies and a well, actually, and when when
I was with the Carolina Panthers, I saw, guys right away,
you can write it down because you know, because there's
a huge divide between the number one player at this
position and other positions. So look, we're gonna go down
to Texas. We're gonna go and get the best running
back on the board. We're gonna get Bejean Robinson, and
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we're gonna make sure that he knows how much we
value him as the top running back in the class. Now,
if this was the real draft, would I expand a
top two or three pick on a running back? I
don't know, because I was one that was advocating for
sa Quon Barkley and sa Quon Barkley went off the board.
But it's a different time. But I will say this.
If you like say Kuon Barkley, Bejean Robinson is everything
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plus more consistent with the production, Justice Dynamic, Justice explosive
can give you what you want in the running game
and the passing game. When you think about a franchise back,
like a team on the cusps of being a title team,
Jean Robinson is the answer. So when I look at
on the board and I look at those teams like
the Chargers, I look at those teams like maybe the
Dallas Cowboys, teams that really just need that finishing touch
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to PLoP that back in. That's where Bijean Robinson would
really do his damage. Even though he raced as a
top five player based on draft grades. Look, I'm gonna
take him up here. The position is devalued, but it's
certainly still important. That's why he's number one on my team.
Franchise Back. You don't know how mad I am right now,
because that was mine. I was hoping you were going
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to go in another direction because the strategy that I
was employing it was similar to a fantasy football strategy,
which was who has the largest gap between number one
and number two at the position? And you nailed it,
Buck That was it that was Bijean Robinson. But that
means okay, Now, that means I can wait on my
running back. So Jamir Gibbs, go get you some lunch.
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Just just go hang out with your family and enjoy
some downtime. You'll be You'll be coming over later, but
with you know, the party's been to late here. So
that's all I'm saying. So you can just wait on
him for a little bit, all right, block second pick
for me, I'm gonna go with Peter Skerronsky from Northwestern
because I'm gonna list him as an interior offensive lineman,
so I get three interior spots. To me, he's the
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best offensive lineman in the draft. Wherever you want to
put him, I can play tackle, but I think he
could be an All Pro act guard, and I think
to drop off from him to the next interior offensive
lineman is pretty steep, and I gotta protect Bryce Young
on my squad here, man, So I'm gonna go Peter
Scarronsky with my second pick. You are on the clock,
you know. So I like Peter Scarronsky and I do
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believe he is pretty solid in terms of his technique
and his ability to do a bunch of different things.
I can see where people would view him as a guard.
But you kick him out of tackle it him do
his thing and see if he fails outside before you
have to kick him inside. That said, I'm maybe a
little higher on Paris Johnson than some. I think Paris
Johnson Junior has all the tools and trades to be
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an outstanding blocker on the edge for a long time
to come. You see his size, his length. Having known
that he is trained with Willie Anderson since he was
like fifteen or so, I know he's been poured into
and I'm just hoping at the next level all of
that comes out so much like you talk about the
number one thing that you have to get. We talked
about these premier physicians got to take care of the
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edges on the offensive line. I'm gonna get Parris Johnson
JUNI to make sure I take care of those edges.
I like it. I'm gonna go with I'm gonna stay
on the offensive line. I'm gonna go Darnell right with
my next pick. He is someone who is big and powerful.
I think he's got the best tape of the tackles.
When you compare him with the rest of that group.
And to me, he's gonna he's gonna play right tackle.
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He's played left in the past, but to me, I'm
gonna put him at right tackle, where he excelled this year.
You saw him do it against Will Anderson. You saw
him get some some matchups against Georgia and that crew.
Jalen Carter on a couple of reps. So to me,
he as the process. He was excellent the Senior Bowl,
had a great workout. He's a big, powerful guy. So
I'm gonna go ahead and take Darnell right out of Tennessee.
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So it's funny. So now what you've done is you've
messed around and started to run because I'm scared if
I bypass, if I bow pass an offensive linement, it'd
be a drop off. So give me Osire's Torrents from Florida.
I'm gonna go ahead, and I'm gonna put him on
the inside. Even though I think he might have some
building man to tape that he put on display against
Jalen Carter, to me, really sold me on him wrong.
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Inside super strong handled all the power and aggressiveness and
all the things that Jalen Carter throws at you and
did it in splendid fashion. And when you just think
about building your offensive line as much as we talk
about the bookends, you better have someone on the interior
because that inside pass rush, that inside pressure affects the
quarterback far more than the stuff on the outside. So
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I want a tough guy or certain Torrens as they
got from me. I like that. So we've We've each
got a I've got a quarterback, a tackle on an
interior offensive linement. You've got two offensive lineman, an inside
guy and a tackle as well as as a big
time running back. I'm gonna I'm gonna stay on this
offensive line trend. I'm gonna get my second tackle here.
I'm gonna go with Brodrick Jones out at Georgia. So
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I got two of my top three tackles here, and
I've got my top interior offensive lineman. So I feel
like I've I'm building a fortress around my smaller quarterback.
But I gotta protect Bryce young Man. I gotta commit
to it. So Brodrick Jones, I think I think he's
got the most in his body. I think he's the
most talented tackle um And there's dominant moments with him
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on tape there at Georgia. Maybe not as consistent as
the other guys, but to me, there's just man, there's
a there's a lot to work with. There's a left tackle. Yeah,
there's a lot to work with. Now I'm upset because
I'm looking at my board and I'm looking at who
you've taken at the offensive line. Of the grades, of
the top four grades that I have, you have three
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of them. So now I'm really good. So now I
gotta go back. I feel like I had to go
somewhere and get some number one. So at this time,
I think I'm gonna take a bit of a pivot
because I know you've loaded. You've loaded up on. Hold on,
hold on, hold on, let me let me write those
because I up on that. I think I've got you here. Okay,
go ahead. So I'm gonna take Dalton kin Kaide. Oh
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you just rip my heart out, tied in from Utah,
and I'm taking him because I think about we think
about pass catching tight ends. We think about guys that
can really impact the game, and I really like Michael Myer,
but Dalton Kinkaide in terms of in this league as
a pass catcher, he has the potential to do things
in terms of putting up big numbers that are different
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than mayor will be solid. He can block and he
can do all that stuff that you want from a
traditional why. But King Kaid is the flexed idea. He's
in that Travis Kelsey mold in terms of being able
to control the middle. We talked about this old comparison.
I told he reminded me of Chris Cooley when I
used to go to Utah State and watch him in
the career that he had with the Washington football team.
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Dawn kan Kay's my man. So I'm gonna trying to go
go get a number one. I'm gonnaet numb one and
tight end. Yeah, I mean, it's almost sacrilegious to say it,
but movement wise, there's some Kelsey to him, Like you know,
I know kels him and go down as the greatest
tight end of all time when his career is over.
He's been unbelievable just in terms of the quickness at
the top of routes, the juice that he has. I
feel like Buck, when your parents you tell your kids, hey,
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turn the other cheek somebody does something mean to you.
We don't fight back. Turn to the other cheek. I'm
not going to practice what I preach right now because
this is the strategy that's involved here. Even though this
guy is not my number one player at this position,
you took you know, it's like, what's that old line
and like that you put one of mine in the hospital,
I put one of the I'm taking Jackson Smith and
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jail because I know you, but I knew you loved him.
And the fact that you just took Concaide from me,
that's fine. I'm gonna take JS in from you. That's how.
That's how this Oh man, that's so that's so good.
He's so hey, DJ, he's so good. Like here's the
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thing about Jackson Smith. And it's one of the things
that you know, the draft is funny when you have
the initial reaction when everyone is announced and everyone's like,
oh my god, he can't be at the time, he
has to be this and that, and then you go
back and you watch that year when it's him, Chris
Olivey and Garrett Wilson and he is de leting receiver
for the buck Eyes. And not only is the leting receiver,
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I want to say he had over seven hundred rack yards,
like run after catch yards like he works the middle,
catches it, he wiggles, he has that stuff the big game.
I've had this debate with some wide receiver coaches around
the league because some guys think he's a slot only
I see someone that can do more things. It'll be
interesting to see what he does. But to me, he's terrific.
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All Right, how many picks are we in here? One? Two, three,
so we're picking up one, will take a quick break.
I'm gonna I'm gonna pick ten. So now you've you've
kind of kind of messed me up because you were
wounded and the strategy this, Yeah, yeah, we were wounded
and we're over here hemorrhaging and we're trying to figure
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out where we can go to get our next thing.
But there's I don't know if there's another position that
has the gaps remaining, like when you took my guy, Like,
I'm hurt. I'm hurting now. So what I'm gonna do
is I'm gonna go get As much as I love
Jackson Smith and Enigma this in jig, but Zay Flowers
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is someone who I also have an infatuation with, and
part of that is because when I see it Man,
I tell you, I see a little Antonio Brown in
his game in terms of just the urgent athlete, the
dog in him, the way that he dominates. And oh,
I'm gonna say this because we'll plug a friend of
the show, Bruce Fellman. I don't know if you've seen
his mock draft thing where he talked to all the
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coaches whatever. There's great intel in that piece that he
did on the athletic and the way that coaches talked
about Zay Flowers and how he controlled the game at
Boston College when he didn't have all the stuff around him.
I want that kind of guy. And look, he may
play in the slide, he may go outside, but he
is a productive player. So I'm gonna take him. I'm
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around out this part, this first half of the mock
draft making sure that I do get a productive and
dominant playmate on a perimeter. And Zay Flowers. Yeah, I
love it. I love that pick. I love that player.
I was hoping somehow he would make his way over
to Team DJ, but you took him, you got him,
And right now as we sit here, let's call this halftime.
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Bucky has Bijean Robinson, Zay Flowers, Dalton Kincaid, Paris Johnson,
and Osiris Torrence. I have Bryce Young, Jackson Smith and
Jig but Darnell Right, Broderick Jones, and Peter Scronsky. So
that's where we are right now. We'll call this halftime,
we'll take a quick break, we'll come back, and we'll
get after the rest of this mock draft. All right, Buck,
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we're rolling. Now, we're rolling, and uh, you know the
back half of this thing. I think this is These
next couple of picks are crucial because after that it
gets to the point where we have spots to fill
that the other one's already filled. So it's kind of
not a lot of not a lot of tension there
when we get to that point in the draft. So
I've got a tough call here because I don't need to.
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I mean, running back and tight end you've got, so
I can be patient on those. So I'm looking at
really receivers versus interior offensive lineman. So who do I
feel like is you know, where's their drop with this group?
And I'm gonna tell you, I have a bunch of
names that I kind of like to build around my three.
I got three pillars on this offensive line. I feel
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confident there that I've got some I've got some depth
to choose from. So I'm gonna go back and I'm
gonna get the guy who is my number one wide
receiver right now. Now, there's a little bit of a
collision course happening because Jordan Addison I've got coming down
a little bit Smith and Jigbi've got coming up a
little bit. And to be honest with you, still have
a higher grade on Addison. But the weight difference in
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size with the weight and we've talked about play strength
over the last couple of years being a big issue.
You know. I'm just saying, I got I got a
final update to do, and I gotta I'm gonna go
back in and just on those two guys. I'm gonna
do a deep dive and just watch everything again and
see where I land. But as of right now, I've
got Jordan Addison as the top receiver and I'm gonna
take him. That gives me my top two wideouts in
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this class. Jordan Addison's a pure route runner. He is
silky smooth. He can get separation out the line at
the top of routes. He can get on top I
think he plays faster even than his than his forty
times one hundred and seventy three pounds. I don't love that,
be honest with you, Buck, but I think he's a really,
really good football player. He is a really good football player.
And you go back and you watch his tape when
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he was at Pittsburgh and he's playing with Kenny Pickett.
The numbers were different, offense was also different, and so
sometimes you have the curve a little bit of the production.
He has the ability. You can't underestimate the punt of
return ability. So I'm okay with that. But now you
talk about a collision course where we have to make
decisions between wideouts and into your offensive lineman. And so
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I'm gonna take an I'm gonna take a center right now.
I'm gonna take John Michael Smith's from Minnesota's. Yeah, I'm
gonna take JMS. I'm gonna let him be the pivot
of our squad, get us lined up, make sure he
makes all the calls. And part of that is because
you want to athletic offensive line. And I'll be honest DJ,
in this class, watching the movement skills of the centers
is really impressive. These guys are floating and flying. You
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see these guys pull from the pivot. I mean things
that you know, one of the reasons why people love
Jason Kelsey. Here's a rare fine a guy that can
snap and pull and lead on sweeps and those things.
Jms show some abilities to be able to get on
space and make some things happen. I like it. I
like it. Buck. You know we have this, uh, we
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have this conversation in draft rooms all the time. I
know I've had it. I know you've had it. I
know teams have it every year. Put your board up,
you have your debates. Guys start coming. They started a
certain spot on your board and they start sliding, you know,
they start moving around. You go through the process and
then I don't know if you if you've had this line,
but this is a very popular line in draft rooms.
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The man's been punished enough. Okay, let's stop, you know.
And that's where I'm going with this next pick. With
Quinton Johnston, the big wide receiver from TCU. Okay, there's
some drops. I think he's a little bit tight, but
this guy is big, he is physical, he's excellent after
the catch. He's got a lot of big play production.
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I know that the history of big twelve whiteouts is
not great, but the man's been punished enough. And at
this point time in our draft, I feel like, you know,
coach Billock in honor of coach Billick, in honor of
building a basketball team, I feel like I've got a
wide skill set here with my group of receivers. I've
polished it up. I'm done. I've got Jordan Addison on
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the outside as my pure route runner buck who can
separate and do those things. I've got Smith and Jigba
in the slot, who's gonna give me some easy third
down completion's gonna give me some run after the catch.
And I've got Quinton Johnson on the other side as
my prototypical X who's gonna be able to get down
the field and go get me some fifty fifty balls
and make some big plays. So I feel like I've
rounded out my receiving corps. I don't know if I
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don't know if that's been that way in your room,
but I have you been in rooms where like a player,
you're like, okay, you know, hey, we're too high on him,
and then he keeps dropping and dropping on dropping, then
finding somebody in the room has like, hey, man's been
punished enough here. I mean sometimes when you're looking at
the draft board and everything has been plucked or picked clean,
and he's sitting up there like a blinking light, you know,
and you're saying, hey, guys, we've got great grays on
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this guy, and he's well aboved the line. So you
have to take him. And since we are going together
to that pro day to watch Johnson, I'm gonna stay
right there in TCU and I'm gonna take Steve Avela
right there. I'm gonna take him a Villa. I'm gonna
take him and allow him to complete us on the interior.
So we feel good about who we have JMSS. We
have a Vila, as you said it, we have Osiris Tarrens.
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So we're good on the interior. And I feel like
we're gaining some ground. We're gaining some ground with some raw,
solid picks to kind of close the gap Team BB
and Team DJ. I like it. I like it. This
has been good. Um. Now we're to the point where
we can fill in the spots because we've we've alternated
where the other positions are full. So I'm just gonna
work top to bottom in terms of how I have
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this laid out on my paper, I'm gonna go to
the running back position. I hinted at it at the top.
Jamir Gibbs is my number two running back. You took Bijon,
I'm gonna come back with Jamir Gibbs, and you know,
to me, he's a little different. He's a little different
as a running back. He's gonna he's gonna be a
touch guy, not a carry guy. So don't get carried
away with how many times you hand him the ball.
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It's how many times he touches the ball. A true
weapon in the pass game. Buck. You know, Alvin Kamara
is the easy comp with him when you look at
the way that he plays in the role that he has,
big time juice, home run hitter, difference maker, especially in
the passing game. So I'm gonna I'm gonna throw Jamir
Gibbs into my lineup. Okay, so you talk You threw
this out there about Quinn Johnson. You talked about the
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Big twelve and those receivers not panning out will This
isn't a big twelve receiver, but he played in it and
and off as there was pop the rise in the
Big twelve, and that's Jalen Hyatt. And when you think
about the offense, Josh Hypel is running, which is a
variation or version of what Art Browse torched people with
for years. It didn't really translate. But man, this guy's speed,
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his ability to put the ball in the paint. Man,
when you watched him play against Alabama and Georgie, he
put a big numb. So I'm going with my guy
Jalen Hyatt from Tennessee. He's just too good at putting
the ball in the paint to ignore it. But beyond
this bit, I like that. I like that. Again, you
got Zay Flowers and Jalen Hyatt and you got man
you better put track shoes on playing against Team Bucky here.
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I like that mix. All right, Team Team DJ is
up with the next spot. Here you went, Dalton Kinkaid.
You took my draft crush there on my tight end
that I have at the top of my board. So
I'm gonna go to the next guy on my list.
Jokingly said on the pod the other day when we
were talking about ice cream flavors, I said, my man,
Michael Mayer from Notre Dame is like vanilla, and that
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is not a knock. It is a compliment because he
goes with everything. You can put him on ice cream,
you can put him on brownies. He can stand alone,
he can play inline, you can flex him out, he
can run. He's good as a run block, or he
can help you if you need to keep them in
and pass pro he can get your combat catches in
the middle of the field. He's a red zone target
with his big frame and ability to go get the ball.
So I think he's a complete tight end. Maybe not
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the most dynamic or explosive, but dependable, reliable, know exactly
what I'm getting. I think Michael Mayer is going to
be a nice compliment to my run game, and he's
also going to be a nice weapon for us, especially
down the red zone. He is a nice weapon. He's
a fantastic playmaker. So I can't I can't. I can't
knock that. This is the time now where I'll take
the quarterback here, I'll take CJ strout. Look, tell him
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this was just strategic. CJ has none to do it.
What we think about you as a player, natural pocket passer,
the game is really easy for him. Front the pocket
and the way did he strikes, he paints the strike zone,
his actress, his anticipation, touch in time, and is everything
that you look for at the position. Yeah, there's some
things that people talk about, like in the pocket, when
the pocket breaks down, does he kind of get off
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the mark and those things. But man, when you talk
to people around in the processing and those things and
they talk about it being superior to the guy that
he replaced at Ohio State and all that other stuff,
I'm gonna go with CJ. Stroud. He is the perfect
guy for the offense that I want to run, which
is loaded with gas. Yeah, I'm looking at you, and
I'm looking at CJ. Stroud who loves to get the
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ball vertically down the field. I'm looking at you with
A Flowers and Jalen Hyatt. Two flyers to two vertical flyers,
and then you're gonna stretch the field. You're gonna scare
the safeties out of the box, and you've got B
John Robinson to mess with. Buck. So I like what
you're cooking up here with your group. I like, I
think I feel like there's a theme. I feel like
you got a good fit hit with your personnel, putting
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these guys together here. I like it. I dig it.
So who you got at nineteen? I got two? I
got two so interior offensive lineman. I'm just gonna give
you both the names right now because you're already full
the spot. And then you can give me your last
two guys. But you know, when I look at the
next two highest rated interior offensive linement, for me to
be honest with you, this guy's my number two interior
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offensive lineman. I've already got Scarronsky, who I'm gonna play
a guard from Northwestern. I love Big ten offensive lineman.
I'm gonna stay in the Big ten. I'm gonna go
with Joe Titman with my next one, who is a
big center. He's six foot six, he's three hundred and
thirteen pounds. He can run. He's excellent as a poller.
You can use him getting up to the next level.
Just a real easy mover. He's my thirty third overall player,
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so I feel like that's gonna be a nice addition.
And then with my last pick, I'm gonna go to
the Toothless wonder Buck, a guy we loved at the
All Star Game. I'm gonna go to Cody Mauck from
North Dakota State who had an awesome Senior Bowl. He's
a really really good athlete. Ran five h eight which
is a good time, played left tackle, really can play
all five positions as he did at the Senior Bowl.
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So I feel like he's gonna add some versatility to
my mix here. That's gonna be the finishing touch on
my squad. Okay, so I dig that. And because you
fell in love with him down to the Senior Bowl,
I'm gonna go with another Senior Bowl invite. How about
Matthew bergeron from Syracuse to complete us on the defensive line.
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We'll put him outside at tackle. Just really solid man.
It's played a lot of games DJ thirty nine career starts,
the majority of those have been at left tackle, but
also has experienced at right tackle and had a chance
to look at some of the practice state you see
him kick inside and play guard and do those things
which you could do. I just like diversatility. He's a
solid player. And then no team is complete without a
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tar heel. So my final wide receiver, we can go
with Josh down there you go from North Carolina. We
talked about Jordan Addison and his size, And I'll say
this about Josh Downs. If Josh Downs was bigger, I
think it would be easier to make the case for
him to be a first round pick. You see the production.
You see the ability to create separation and get open,
and the wiggle that he has over the middle of
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the field. My team is a little small, which I'm
not necessarily in favor of, but I do like the
ability to run away from people. All right, I'm looking
it up here. Um were the name of the whiteouts
on the fun Bunch for the h Washington in the day,
So it was it was it was Gary Clark, it
was Ricky Sanders, and it was Alvin Garrett, just rolling,
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rolling them out there, rolling them out there, buck the Smurfs. Look,
it's gonna be tough because Bjohn, I'm telling hey, we
get to second level, you gonna have to do it
on your own because my little guys, guys gonna have
a tough time holding up. But but you know, we
could try and create all kinds of space. It's a
little bit of running shoot action to what we have.
And with Dalton Kincaide, I mean I feel like I
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feel like you've you've built a team I feel like
that if I was gonna give you a GM name,
I feel like you're Jerry Tarkanian. I feel like you
just built the running rebels, Like you're just just gonna
roll out there and we're going so here. Here's the thing.
You always influence and impacted by the people that you're
around the most. And so you think about the team
that I work with, the Axonville Jaguars, and you think
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about their offense, and how Evan Ingram's outside and Zay
Jones and all those guys not a lot of sides
in Calvin Ridley. You're like, Okay, you know we're gonna
do We can get everybody out. We canna push it out.
And if we're gonna have to eventially compete with Joe
Burrow and then the Kanci the Chiefs and Pat Mahomes
and all these guys, we're not gonna be able to
stop him. So we gotta figure out a way to
put the ball in the pain. And the only way
you can do is you gotta have playmates. You gotta
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have speed, all right, give me your give me your
final breakdown. Let's go h your team. You know, by position,
you can lump the offensive line together, the receivers together, quarterback,
running back, tight end. So so give me your complete look. Here,
we've got your complete team. Sell me on your team
bucket and what you like about them. Okay, so we
can go on the complete team. So my quarterback is C. J. Strout,
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running back B John Robinson, tight end. I have Dalton Kincaid.
My three wide receivers are Zay Flowers, Jalen Hyatt, and
Josh Downs. My offensive line, I got Paris Johnson and
Matthew Berg around on the outside. I had jms as,
Steve a Vila and my other guards Cyrus Lawrence, Oh,
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Cyrus Tawrence. How do I forget about us? Sorry? Sorry?
So that's who you have. We want to play the
game in space. We want to make it a bit
of a basketball on grass with a tinge of physicality
and toughness. With a running back everybody on the team
can get down in the passing game. We feel great
about our ability to win one on one matchups in
the passing game, particularly with B John Robinson and Donkey
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Kvee being able to work on linebackers. If we can
protect and we feel like we got a seven or
seven quarterback back there and C. J. Strout. It's gonna
be tough to gotta get with us. Now. We may
not be the old school three yards in the cloud
of dust, but man, we surely can throw it around
the yard. Yeah, I like it. You got there's definitely
a theme there. It is athleticism and his speed, it
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is everything's going to be attacking a vertical group that
you got assembled there. All right, let me give you
my squad here. I've got Bryce Young at quarterback. I've
got his teammate Jamir Gibbs next to him at running back.
He's back there. My whiteouts are Jackson Smith and Jigba
in the slot, with Jordan Addison from sc on one side,
with Quinton Johnson on the other. I've got a tight
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end of Michael Mayer, who's really a two way guy
who's gonna help us in the run game as well
as the pass game. My tackles, I got Darnell Right
at right tackle out of Tennessee. I'm gonna stay in
conference and go with Roderick Jones at left tackle from Georgia.
I've got Peter Scronsky, he's gonna be my left guard.
I've got Joe Tittman the center from Wisconsin. He's gonna
be my center. And then I've got Cody mauk Is
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gonna be my right guard. So I feel like I've
got two really really big, physical, athletic tackles. I've got
an athletic interior offensive line. I love the tight end
who's gonna be able to really maul people in the
run game as well as do some things the pass game.
I feel I love my quarterback, Bryce Young. I feel
like with the physicality my group up front, I feel
like Jimir Gibbs gonna get some home run opportunities, gonna
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get him to the edge and then let him go.
And then I feel like on third down buckets a
pick your poison with these white outs. So I feel
like I've got balance. I like my group. I've got
a physical group. I've got some speed. I like the
mix here with Bryce Young kind of being the captain
and controling the whole thing. Yeah, it's definitely a balance group.
Is definitely a group that has the ability to kind
of go from physical to finesse whenever they need it.
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And the physicality you talk about those big bodies up
front being able to run the ball when you want
to run it and you got the gas behind it
Jamie gives being able to do it not only as
a runner, but coming out the backfield catching the ball.
And then you think about the dynamic weapons that you
have on the perimeter. You have a pure route runner
in Jackson Smith and Jigba. You have the explosive playmaker
in Quinn Johnson who can take the top off the
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defense and can stretch it vertically, which is really problematic.
And you got the big body that can post up
in the middle over Michael Meyer. Because it's a tough
team to defend stylistically, two very different teams. Yeah, but
the goal is the same. Put a lot of fresh
on the defense. Yeah, Now this is a fun exercise. Man. Again,
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there was a little stre that went involved there. I
feel like you lobbed. I feel like you lobbed the
first shot you took. You took Kingcad. He took my
guy who I was talking through. I was talking to
a GM the other day about him, when I said, look,
I know, I see, I see. There's always you know,
a million mocked drafts and everybody's talking and he's gonna
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go in the late first round. Maybe he goes in
the second round. It's a little tight end group. I'm like,
I do my update top fifties out, I'm like, oh,
I can't find ten players better than him, Like I can't.
I know you can say, oh, he's a little bit older,
he had a back, which I told he passed all
his physicals. He's fine there, um, but like you can
kind of find some reasons. But I'm like, yeah, but
when you turn on the tape, there's not There's not
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ten players better than this dude in this draft. It isn't.
So I'm like, I don't know. That's why I got
him up there. Man, he's a talented player. Uh. He
made a transition to me that really makes you feel
good about what he could be. He goes from USD
after playing like yeah, maybe playing one year high school
ball to one down there like just absolutely lighten it up.
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Transitions to Utah, who also had tight ends already into war,
and he stands up and is super impressive and so
and then we think about Utah players and kind of
the grittiness and toughness they have. It's gonna be hard
to find guys like that. DJ. I just see him
in the right situation, a team that really throws it
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around and features. That guy's a flex tight and they
know how to kind of create things to get him open.
He's gonna be probably he's gonna be handful. Yeah, no,
he's he's a great player, so he's a fun one.
He's kind of held his water throughout the whole process
for me, and you know, we'll see how it all
ends up. This was This is a great exercise. I
hope you guys have enjoyed listening to this. We are
going to flip it over to the other side on
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the next episode. We will do the defense. Bucky will
have the first pick, and then I got to try
and deploy a strategy where I can mess with him.
Once we get to this defense here, I'm already trying
to think about where the depth is. Gosh, we have
to find two linebackers a piece. Man, God's pray for
us that we can find a combined four off the
ball linebackers that we like in this draft. Not a
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great group. Yeah, it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be
hard to find those guys. So we'll see. All right,
we'll do it, all right, catch Buck on path to
the draft. Each and every day that is at three
o'clock West Coast, six o'clock Eastern. We will be We'll
be back Monday with our next move, the six episode. Again,
we'll jump into the defense there. The pro days are
pretty much wrapped up. Devin Witherspoon, by the way, this
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morning ran four four two four four six, exactly what
we thought. I mean, I think there was some chatter
on social media about he's some four five guy, mid
four fives, and I'm like, nah, now, every you know,
I talked to all the folks where he's been training.
They're really accurate. He trains down there with Brent Callaway
at Exos there and in Frisco, and he's he's honest,
it's a day as long and said, this kid's, you know,
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four to four every day all day. And so he
ran four two four four two four four six, So
he's good. But anyways, most of the pro days are done,
I mean basically all of them. By the time we
come back Monday, we'll be in the rearview mirror. So
we'll discuss who maybe rose a little bit, who fell
a little bit, and we'll do this defensive draft. So
that's gonna do it for us. Buckingt of else you
wanted to get into before we jump out of here. No,
I mean, I think this part is fun. I think
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we're we're less than a month away. We have a
handful of weeks away, and before you knew if we're
gonna be right there on draft day, we'll begin to
hear something. The reports about the visits, the private workouts,
and some of the medical and character stuff would be
short up. And so I'm sure we have some conversations
about some late risers and followers over the next few weeks.
No doubt that's gonna do it for us. Everybody appreciate
you hanging with us. Thanks to the Bill for running
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the show. He is the best in the business. And
we'll see you next time. Right here, I'll move the sticks.
And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ, Bucky
with you, Buck? What's going on? Man? Everything's good. DJ.
I don't know if you've been paying attention to baseball,
but I just happen to look at the NL West standings.
Ha ha. Look, the more things change, the more things
stay the same. You know, five games in, by the way,
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by the way, Superman, Superman is already He's already taken
Hacks down Triple A right now, So we got fourteen
more games and Superman comes up. I'd be okay at
that point in time, but no, Hey, I gotta give
it to Dodgers though, because everybody was saying, you know,
all they're playing, they're playing all the young guys, and
I'm like, ah, they're not dumb like these young guys.
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Turns out these young guys are pretty good. So it's
gonna be a fun summer. It's gonna be a fun
summer with those two teams. You know what, I think
we're gonna have to take Move the Sticks on the road.
I think I might have to do a road trip
and do a game and then we have to bring
you up, and we have to do one in Chavez
Rvy all right, and I mean people to make sure
that we do it. I know you have a particular
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taste based on how they roll out the rich carpet
for you down in San Diego. I'ma have to make
sure that I kind of worked at back channels to
make sure I get you similar treatment when you come
to Dodgers. That's fair, That's fair. Um, all right, we've
got we've got a fun one today. We haven't done
this in a while. We usually do this a couple
times during draft season, so let's get it started today.
What we're gonna do is we're going to have a
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mock draft for the offense. So in other words, we've
got eleven positions that we each need to fill. You
can't draft two quarterbacks, you know, you can't draft five receivers.
You've got to fill the spot. So we're gonna do
eleven rounds. We're gonna just roll this out as eleven personnel.
So we're gonna end up having a quarterback or running back,
three wideouts, a tight end, two tackles, and three interior
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offensive linemen. So we'll kind of just go back and
forth on this thing, which will lead to some good discussions,
some good debates. You can go you know, you can
go out out of order, whatever position that you want
to go of how to fill these spots. Um. And
then afterwards we'll look back at the two at the
two teams buck eleven on eleven and maybe we maybe
we uh, maybe we send this out. We've done this
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in the past. We kind of lab out these rosters
a little twitterful decide. But I think to get things started,
I'm gonna go out in a limb and say the
bile does not have any change in his pocket. I
know he's off to the side, but does he have
does he have a quarter or a penny or a
nickel or a dime that we can noo, this is
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what we do. We'll let you have the first pick
on offense, and I'll just take the first pick on defense. Okay, Okay,
when we have to the next whenever we do the
defensive mock draft, I'll take the first pick with the defense.
So offensively we'll go. We'll let Team DJ take the
first the number one overall pick. Okay. There's lots of
strategy involved here as well. Um. After this first pick.
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I'm curious to see what you end up doing, but
you already know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna go
Bryce Young. I'm gonna take the quarterback that I want here.
So I'm gonna go Bryce Young with the first overall pick.
I think he's the best quarterback in the draft. Obviously,
the frame is the only knock is the only concern.
But I'm getting somebody that I feel. You know, Buck,
there's there's there's uh quarterbacks every year where you can
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find the good games and you find the bad games
and you gotta you hope that the good outweighs the bad,
and you try and buy into the good and you
try and explain the bad. With Bryce, it's kind of
unique because there's just really not bad tape Like you
don't you don't have a game where you watch him
and you're like, oh man, uh, I mean we've talked
about it before. Even in their losses, they're scoring points,
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they're competitive, he's got them in position. You know. LSU
game is a great example. He just never gets another
shot at it. They go for two and overtime games
over Tennessee. It's a track meet, you know, up and
down the field. You go to Georgia the year before,
he lights them up in the SEC championship game. Then
they're down a couple of wideouts in the in the
National championship game and they lose, but he's still moved
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the ball and there's good things take away from that.
So anyways, long way of saying, I'm gonna go Bright
Young with the first pick, well, anyone who knows you
and knows the conversation that we had when it comes
to the quarterback, Bryce Young makes a lot of sense,
and it makes a lot of sense with the number
one overall pick. When we talk about just playing the game.
It's hard to find a better quarterback at playing the
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game than Bryce Young. The way that he gets the
ball out of his hands, the way that he throws
it inside and outside of the pocket, the way that
he finishes game, which I think is really an underrated skill,
the way you perform in the clutch the last two
minutes of the half, the last two minutes of the game.
Not many better than him, So I can understand he's
worthy of being a number one overall pick. And because
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we're doing this and this is not reality, this is
almost like a fantasy football. It is it is. You're
just taking one quarterback. It really opens up. It opens
up the board for me and d You mean, I
know this, but i'man a four time Fantasy Football champion
and that's because of the strategies that I like to employ.
And so what we're going to do, I think a
quarter until eleven like this harkens back to the days
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of the seventies and a well, actually, and when when
I was with the Carolina Panthers, I saw, guys right away,
you can write it down because you know, because there's
a huge divide between the number one player at this
position and other positions. So look, we're gonna go down
to Texas. We're gonna go and get the best running
back on the board. We're gonna get Bejean Robinson, and
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we're gonna make sure that he knows how much we
value him as the top running back in the class. Now,
if this was the real draft, would I expand a
top two or three pick on a running back? I
don't know, because I was one that was advocating for
sa Quon Barkley and sa Quon Barkley went off the board.
But it's a different time. But I will say this.
If you like say Kuon Barkley, Bejean Robinson is everything
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plus more consistent with the production, Justice Dynamic, Justice explosive
can give you what you want in the running game
and the passing game. When you think about a franchise back,
like a team on the cusps of being a title team,
Jean Robinson is the answer. So when I look at
on the board and I look at those teams like
the Chargers, I look at those teams like maybe the
Dallas Cowboys, teams that really just need that finishing touch
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to PLoP that back in. That's where Bijean Robinson would
really do his damage. Even though he raced as a
top five player based on draft grades. Look, I'm gonna
take him up here. The position is devalued, but it's
certainly still important. That's why he's number one on my team.
Franchise Back. You don't know how mad I am right now,
because that was mine. I was hoping you were going
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to go in another direction because the strategy that I
was employing it was similar to a fantasy football strategy,
which was who has the largest gap between number one
and number two at the position? And you nailed it,
Buck That was it that was Bijean Robinson. But that
means okay, Now, that means I can wait on my
running back. So Jamir Gibbs, go get you some lunch.
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Just just go hang out with your family and enjoy
some downtime. You'll be You'll be coming over later, but
with you know, the party's been to late here. So
that's all I'm saying. So you can just wait on
him for a little bit, all right, block second pick
for me, I'm gonna go with Peter Skerronsky from Northwestern
because I'm gonna list him as an interior offensive lineman,
so I get three interior spots. To me, he's the
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best offensive lineman in the draft. Wherever you want to
put him, I can play tackle, but I think he
could be an All Pro act guard, and I think
to drop off from him to the next interior offensive
lineman is pretty steep, and I gotta protect Bryce Young
on my squad here, man, So I'm gonna go Peter
Scarronsky with my second pick. You are on the clock,
you know. So I like Peter Scarronsky and I do
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believe he is pretty solid in terms of his technique
and his ability to do a bunch of different things.
I can see where people would view him as a guard.
But you kick him out of tackle it him do
his thing and see if he fails outside before you
have to kick him inside. That said, I'm maybe a
little higher on Paris Johnson than some. I think Paris
Johnson Junior has all the tools and trades to be
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an outstanding blocker on the edge for a long time
to come. You see his size, his length. Having known
that he is trained with Willie Anderson since he was
like fifteen or so, I know he's been poured into
and I'm just hoping at the next level all of
that comes out so much like you talk about the
number one thing that you have to get. We talked
about these premier physicians got to take care of the
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edges on the offensive line. I'm gonna get Parris Johnson
JUNI to make sure I take care of those edges.
I like it. I'm gonna go with I'm gonna stay
on the offensive line. I'm gonna go Darnell right with
my next pick. He is someone who is big and powerful.
I think he's got the best tape of the tackles.
When you compare him with the rest of that group.
And to me, he's gonna he's gonna play right tackle.
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He's played left in the past, but to me, I'm
gonna put him at right tackle, where he excelled this year.
You saw him do it against Will Anderson. You saw
him get some some matchups against Georgia and that crew.
Jalen Carter on a couple of reps. So to me,
he as the process. He was excellent the Senior Bowl,
had a great workout. He's a big, powerful guy. So
I'm gonna go ahead and take Darnell right out of Tennessee.
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So it's funny. So now what you've done is you've
messed around and started to run because I'm scared if
I bypass, if I bow pass an offensive linement, it'd
be a drop off. So give me Osire's Torrents from Florida.
I'm gonna go ahead, and I'm gonna put him on
the inside. Even though I think he might have some
building man to tape that he put on display against
Jalen Carter, to me, really sold me on him wrong.
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Inside super strong handled all the power and aggressiveness and
all the things that Jalen Carter throws at you and
did it in splendid fashion. And when you just think
about building your offensive line as much as we talk
about the bookends, you better have someone on the interior
because that inside pass rush, that inside pressure affects the
quarterback far more than the stuff on the outside. So
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I want a tough guy or certain Torrens as they
got from me. I like that. So we've We've each
got a I've got a quarterback, a tackle on an
interior offensive linement. You've got two offensive lineman, an inside
guy and a tackle as well as as a big
time running back. I'm gonna I'm gonna stay on this
offensive line trend. I'm gonna get my second tackle here.
I'm gonna go with Brodrick Jones out at Georgia. So
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I got two of my top three tackles here, and
I've got my top interior offensive lineman. So I feel
like I've I'm building a fortress around my smaller quarterback.
But I gotta protect Bryce young Man. I gotta commit
to it. So Brodrick Jones, I think I think he's
got the most in his body. I think he's the
most talented tackle um And there's dominant moments with him
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on tape there at Georgia. Maybe not as consistent as
the other guys, but to me, there's just man, there's
a there's a lot to work with. There's a left tackle. Yeah,
there's a lot to work with. Now I'm upset because
I'm looking at my board and I'm looking at who
you've taken at the offensive line. Of the grades, of
the top four grades that I have, you have three
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of them. So now I'm really good. So now I
gotta go back. I feel like I had to go
somewhere and get some number one. So at this time,
I think I'm gonna take a bit of a pivot
because I know you've loaded. You've loaded up on. Hold on,
hold on, hold on, let me let me write those
because I up on that. I think I've got you here. Okay,
go ahead. So I'm gonna take Dalton kin Kaide. Oh
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you just rip my heart out, tied in from Utah,
and I'm taking him because I think about we think
about pass catching tight ends. We think about guys that
can really impact the game, and I really like Michael Myer,
but Dalton Kinkaide in terms of in this league as
a pass catcher, he has the potential to do things
in terms of putting up big numbers that are different
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than mayor will be solid. He can block and he
can do all that stuff that you want from a
traditional why. But King Kaid is the flexed idea. He's
in that Travis Kelsey mold in terms of being able
to control the middle. We talked about this old comparison.
I told he reminded me of Chris Cooley when I
used to go to Utah State and watch him in
the career that he had with the Washington football team.
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Dawn kan Kay's my man. So I'm gonna trying to go
go get a number one. I'm gonnaet numb one and
tight end. Yeah, I mean, it's almost sacrilegious to say it,
but movement wise, there's some Kelsey to him, Like you know,
I know kels him and go down as the greatest
tight end of all time when his career is over.
He's been unbelievable just in terms of the quickness at
the top of routes, the juice that he has. I
feel like Buck, when your parents you tell your kids, hey,
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turn the other cheek somebody does something mean to you.
We don't fight back. Turn to the other cheek. I'm
not going to practice what I preach right now because
this is the strategy that's involved here. Even though this
guy is not my number one player at this position,
you took you know, it's like, what's that old line
and like that you put one of mine in the hospital,
I put one of the I'm taking Jackson Smith and
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jail because I know you, but I knew you loved him.
And the fact that you just took Concaide from me,
that's fine. I'm gonna take JS in from you. That's how.
That's how this Oh man, that's so that's so good.
He's so hey, DJ, he's so good. Like here's the
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thing about Jackson Smith. And it's one of the things
that you know, the draft is funny when you have
the initial reaction when everyone is announced and everyone's like,
oh my god, he can't be at the time, he
has to be this and that, and then you go
back and you watch that year when it's him, Chris
Olivey and Garrett Wilson and he is de leting receiver
for the buck Eyes. And not only is the leting receiver,
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I want to say he had over seven hundred rack yards,
like run after catch yards like he works the middle,
catches it, he wiggles, he has that stuff the big game.
I've had this debate with some wide receiver coaches around
the league because some guys think he's a slot only
I see someone that can do more things. It'll be
interesting to see what he does. But to me, he's terrific.
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All Right, how many picks are we in here? One? Two, three,
so we're picking up one, will take a quick break.
I'm gonna I'm gonna pick ten. So now you've you've
kind of kind of messed me up because you were
wounded and the strategy this, Yeah, yeah, we were wounded
and we're over here hemorrhaging and we're trying to figure
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out where we can go to get our next thing.
But there's I don't know if there's another position that
has the gaps remaining, like when you took my guy, Like,
I'm hurt. I'm hurting now. So what I'm gonna do
is I'm gonna go get As much as I love
Jackson Smith and Enigma this in jig, but Zay Flowers
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is someone who I also have an infatuation with, and
part of that is because when I see it Man,
I tell you, I see a little Antonio Brown in
his game in terms of just the urgent athlete, the
dog in him, the way that he dominates. And oh,
I'm gonna say this because we'll plug a friend of
the show, Bruce Fellman. I don't know if you've seen
his mock draft thing where he talked to all the
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coaches whatever. There's great intel in that piece that he
did on the athletic and the way that coaches talked
about Zay Flowers and how he controlled the game at
Boston College when he didn't have all the stuff around him.
I want that kind of guy. And look, he may
play in the slide, he may go outside, but he
is a productive player. So I'm gonna take him. I'm
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around out this part, this first half of the mock
draft making sure that I do get a productive and
dominant playmate on a perimeter. And Zay Flowers. Yeah, I
love it. I love that pick. I love that player.
I was hoping somehow he would make his way over
to Team DJ, but you took him, you got him,
And right now as we sit here, let's call this halftime.
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Bucky has Bijean Robinson, Zay Flowers, Dalton Kincaid, Paris Johnson,
and Osiris Torrence. I have Bryce Young, Jackson Smith and
Jig but Darnell Right, Broderick Jones, and Peter Scronsky. So
that's where we are right now. We'll call this halftime,
we'll take a quick break, we'll come back, and we'll
get after the rest of this mock draft. All right, Buck,
(15:48):
we're rolling. Now, we're rolling, and uh, you know the
back half of this thing. I think this is These
next couple of picks are crucial because after that it
gets to the point where we have spots to fill
that the other one's already filled. So it's kind of
not a lot of not a lot of tension there
when we get to that point in the draft. So
I've got a tough call here because I don't need to.
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I mean, running back and tight end you've got, so
I can be patient on those. So I'm looking at
really receivers versus interior offensive lineman. So who do I
feel like is you know, where's their drop with this group?
And I'm gonna tell you, I have a bunch of
names that I kind of like to build around my three.
I got three pillars on this offensive line. I feel
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confident there that I've got some I've got some depth
to choose from. So I'm gonna go back and I'm
gonna get the guy who is my number one wide
receiver right now. Now, there's a little bit of a
collision course happening because Jordan Addison I've got coming down
a little bit Smith and Jigbi've got coming up a
little bit. And to be honest with you, still have
a higher grade on Addison. But the weight difference in
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size with the weight and we've talked about play strength
over the last couple of years being a big issue.
You know. I'm just saying, I got I got a
final update to do, and I gotta I'm gonna go
back in and just on those two guys. I'm gonna
do a deep dive and just watch everything again and
see where I land. But as of right now, I've
got Jordan Addison as the top receiver and I'm gonna
take him. That gives me my top two wideouts in
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this class. Jordan Addison's a pure route runner. He is
silky smooth. He can get separation out the line at
the top of routes. He can get on top I
think he plays faster even than his than his forty
times one hundred and seventy three pounds. I don't love that,
be honest with you, Buck, but I think he's a really,
really good football player. He is a really good football player.
And you go back and you watch his tape when
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he was at Pittsburgh and he's playing with Kenny Pickett.
The numbers were different, offense was also different, and so
sometimes you have the curve a little bit of the production.
He has the ability. You can't underestimate the punt of
return ability. So I'm okay with that. But now you
talk about a collision course where we have to make
decisions between wideouts and into your offensive lineman. And so
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I'm gonna take an I'm gonna take a center right now.
I'm gonna take John Michael Smith's from Minnesota's. Yeah, I'm
gonna take JMS. I'm gonna let him be the pivot
of our squad, get us lined up, make sure he
makes all the calls. And part of that is because
you want to athletic offensive line. And I'll be honest DJ,
in this class, watching the movement skills of the centers
is really impressive. These guys are floating and flying. You
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see these guys pull from the pivot. I mean things
that you know, one of the reasons why people love
Jason Kelsey. Here's a rare fine a guy that can
snap and pull and lead on sweeps and those things.
Jms show some abilities to be able to get on
space and make some things happen. I like it. I
like it. Buck. You know we have this, uh, we
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have this conversation in draft rooms all the time. I
know I've had it. I know you've had it. I
know teams have it every year. Put your board up,
you have your debates. Guys start coming. They started a
certain spot on your board and they start sliding, you know,
they start moving around. You go through the process and
then I don't know if you if you've had this line,
but this is a very popular line in draft rooms.
(18:59):
The man's been punished enough. Okay, let's stop, you know.
And that's where I'm going with this next pick. With
Quinton Johnston, the big wide receiver from TCU. Okay, there's
some drops. I think he's a little bit tight, but
this guy is big, he is physical, he's excellent after
the catch. He's got a lot of big play production.
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I know that the history of big twelve whiteouts is
not great, but the man's been punished enough. And at
this point time in our draft, I feel like, you know,
coach Billock in honor of coach Billick, in honor of
building a basketball team, I feel like I've got a
wide skill set here with my group of receivers. I've
polished it up. I'm done. I've got Jordan Addison on
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the outside as my pure route runner buck who can
separate and do those things. I've got Smith and Jigba
in the slot, who's gonna give me some easy third
down completion's gonna give me some run after the catch.
And I've got Quinton Johnson on the other side as
my prototypical X who's gonna be able to get down
the field and go get me some fifty fifty balls
and make some big plays. So I feel like I've
rounded out my receiving corps. I don't know if I
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don't know if that's been that way in your room,
but I have you been in rooms where like a player,
you're like, okay, you know, hey, we're too high on him,
and then he keeps dropping and dropping on dropping, then
finding somebody in the room has like, hey, man's been
punished enough here. I mean sometimes when you're looking at
the draft board and everything has been plucked or picked clean,
and he's sitting up there like a blinking light, you know,
and you're saying, hey, guys, we've got great grays on
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this guy, and he's well aboved the line. So you
have to take him. And since we are going together
to that pro day to watch Johnson, I'm gonna stay
right there in TCU and I'm gonna take Steve Avela
right there. I'm gonna take him a Villa. I'm gonna
take him and allow him to complete us on the interior.
So we feel good about who we have JMSS. We
have a Vila, as you said it, we have Osiris Tarrens.
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So we're good on the interior. And I feel like
we're gaining some ground. We're gaining some ground with some raw,
solid picks to kind of close the gap Team BB
and Team DJ. I like it. I like it. This
has been good. Um. Now we're to the point where
we can fill in the spots because we've we've alternated
where the other positions are full. So I'm just gonna
work top to bottom in terms of how I have
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this laid out on my paper, I'm gonna go to
the running back position. I hinted at it at the top.
Jamir Gibbs is my number two running back. You took Bijon,
I'm gonna come back with Jamir Gibbs, and you know,
to me, he's a little different. He's a little different
as a running back. He's gonna he's gonna be a
touch guy, not a carry guy. So don't get carried
away with how many times you hand him the ball.
(21:31):
It's how many times he touches the ball. A true
weapon in the pass game. Buck. You know, Alvin Kamara
is the easy comp with him when you look at
the way that he plays in the role that he has,
big time juice, home run hitter, difference maker, especially in
the passing game. So I'm gonna I'm gonna throw Jamir
Gibbs into my lineup. Okay, so you talk You threw
this out there about Quinn Johnson. You talked about the
(21:53):
Big twelve and those receivers not panning out will This
isn't a big twelve receiver, but he played in it and
and off as there was pop the rise in the
Big twelve, and that's Jalen Hyatt. And when you think
about the offense, Josh Hypel is running, which is a
variation or version of what Art Browse torched people with
for years. It didn't really translate. But man, this guy's speed,
(22:13):
his ability to put the ball in the paint. Man,
when you watched him play against Alabama and Georgie, he
put a big numb. So I'm going with my guy
Jalen Hyatt from Tennessee. He's just too good at putting
the ball in the paint to ignore it. But beyond
this bit, I like that. I like that. Again, you
got Zay Flowers and Jalen Hyatt and you got man
you better put track shoes on playing against Team Bucky here.
(22:35):
I like that mix. All right, Team Team DJ is
up with the next spot. Here you went, Dalton Kinkaid.
You took my draft crush there on my tight end
that I have at the top of my board. So
I'm gonna go to the next guy on my list.
Jokingly said on the pod the other day when we
were talking about ice cream flavors, I said, my man,
Michael Mayer from Notre Dame is like vanilla, and that
(22:57):
is not a knock. It is a compliment because he
goes with everything. You can put him on ice cream,
you can put him on brownies. He can stand alone,
he can play inline, you can flex him out, he
can run. He's good as a run block, or he
can help you if you need to keep them in
and pass pro he can get your combat catches in
the middle of the field. He's a red zone target
with his big frame and ability to go get the ball.
So I think he's a complete tight end. Maybe not
(23:19):
the most dynamic or explosive, but dependable, reliable, know exactly
what I'm getting. I think Michael Mayer is going to
be a nice compliment to my run game, and he's
also going to be a nice weapon for us, especially
down the red zone. He is a nice weapon. He's
a fantastic playmaker. So I can't I can't. I can't
knock that. This is the time now where I'll take
the quarterback here, I'll take CJ strout. Look, tell him
(23:42):
this was just strategic. CJ has none to do it.
What we think about you as a player, natural pocket passer,
the game is really easy for him. Front the pocket
and the way did he strikes, he paints the strike zone,
his actress, his anticipation, touch in time, and is everything
that you look for at the position. Yeah, there's some
things that people talk about, like in the pocket, when
the pocket breaks down, does he kind of get off
(24:05):
the mark and those things. But man, when you talk
to people around in the processing and those things and
they talk about it being superior to the guy that
he replaced at Ohio State and all that other stuff,
I'm gonna go with CJ. Stroud. He is the perfect
guy for the offense that I want to run, which
is loaded with gas. Yeah, I'm looking at you, and
I'm looking at CJ. Stroud who loves to get the
(24:26):
ball vertically down the field. I'm looking at you with
A Flowers and Jalen Hyatt. Two flyers to two vertical flyers,
and then you're gonna stretch the field. You're gonna scare
the safeties out of the box, and you've got B
John Robinson to mess with. Buck. So I like what
you're cooking up here with your group. I like, I
think I feel like there's a theme. I feel like
you got a good fit hit with your personnel, putting
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these guys together here. I like it. I dig it.
So who you got at nineteen? I got two? I
got two so interior offensive lineman. I'm just gonna give
you both the names right now because you're already full
the spot. And then you can give me your last
two guys. But you know, when I look at the
next two highest rated interior offensive linement, for me to
be honest with you, this guy's my number two interior
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offensive lineman. I've already got Scarronsky, who I'm gonna play
a guard from Northwestern. I love Big ten offensive lineman.
I'm gonna stay in the Big ten. I'm gonna go
with Joe Titman with my next one, who is a
big center. He's six foot six, he's three hundred and
thirteen pounds. He can run. He's excellent as a poller.
You can use him getting up to the next level.
Just a real easy mover. He's my thirty third overall player,
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so I feel like that's gonna be a nice addition.
And then with my last pick, I'm gonna go to
the Toothless wonder Buck, a guy we loved at the
All Star Game. I'm gonna go to Cody Mauck from
North Dakota State who had an awesome Senior Bowl. He's
a really really good athlete. Ran five h eight which
is a good time, played left tackle, really can play
all five positions as he did at the Senior Bowl.
(25:53):
So I feel like he's gonna add some versatility to
my mix here. That's gonna be the finishing touch on
my squad. Okay, so I dig that. And because you
fell in love with him down to the Senior Bowl,
I'm gonna go with another Senior Bowl invite. How about
Matthew bergeron from Syracuse to complete us on the defensive line.
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We'll put him outside at tackle. Just really solid man.
It's played a lot of games DJ thirty nine career starts,
the majority of those have been at left tackle, but
also has experienced at right tackle and had a chance
to look at some of the practice state you see
him kick inside and play guard and do those things
which you could do. I just like diversatility. He's a
solid player. And then no team is complete without a
(26:35):
tar heel. So my final wide receiver, we can go
with Josh down there you go from North Carolina. We
talked about Jordan Addison and his size, And I'll say
this about Josh Downs. If Josh Downs was bigger, I
think it would be easier to make the case for
him to be a first round pick. You see the production.
You see the ability to create separation and get open,
and the wiggle that he has over the middle of
(26:55):
the field. My team is a little small, which I'm
not necessarily in favor of, but I do like the
ability to run away from people. All right, I'm looking
it up here. Um were the name of the whiteouts
on the fun Bunch for the h Washington in the day,
So it was it was it was Gary Clark, it
was Ricky Sanders, and it was Alvin Garrett, just rolling,
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rolling them out there, rolling them out there, buck the Smurfs. Look,
it's gonna be tough because Bjohn, I'm telling hey, we
get to second level, you gonna have to do it
on your own because my little guys, guys gonna have
a tough time holding up. But but you know, we
could try and create all kinds of space. It's a
little bit of running shoot action to what we have.
And with Dalton Kincaide, I mean I feel like I
(27:39):
feel like you've you've built a team I feel like
that if I was gonna give you a GM name,
I feel like you're Jerry Tarkanian. I feel like you
just built the running rebels, Like you're just just gonna
roll out there and we're going so here. Here's the thing.
You always influence and impacted by the people that you're
around the most. And so you think about the team
that I work with, the Axonville Jaguars, and you think
(28:01):
about their offense, and how Evan Ingram's outside and Zay
Jones and all those guys not a lot of sides
in Calvin Ridley. You're like, Okay, you know we're gonna
do We can get everybody out. We canna push it out.
And if we're gonna have to eventially compete with Joe
Burrow and then the Kanci the Chiefs and Pat Mahomes
and all these guys, we're not gonna be able to
stop him. So we gotta figure out a way to
put the ball in the pain. And the only way
you can do is you gotta have playmates. You gotta
(28:22):
have speed, all right, give me your give me your
final breakdown. Let's go h your team. You know, by position,
you can lump the offensive line together, the receivers together, quarterback,
running back, tight end. So so give me your complete look. Here,
we've got your complete team. Sell me on your team
bucket and what you like about them. Okay, so we
can go on the complete team. So my quarterback is C. J. Strout,
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running back B John Robinson, tight end. I have Dalton Kincaid.
My three wide receivers are Zay Flowers, Jalen Hyatt, and
Josh Downs. My offensive line, I got Paris Johnson and
Matthew Berg around on the outside. I had jms as,
Steve a Vila and my other guards Cyrus Lawrence, Oh,
(29:06):
Cyrus Tawrence. How do I forget about us? Sorry? Sorry?
So that's who you have. We want to play the
game in space. We want to make it a bit
of a basketball on grass with a tinge of physicality
and toughness. With a running back everybody on the team
can get down in the passing game. We feel great
about our ability to win one on one matchups in
the passing game, particularly with B John Robinson and Donkey
(29:28):
Kvee being able to work on linebackers. If we can
protect and we feel like we got a seven or
seven quarterback back there and C. J. Strout. It's gonna
be tough to gotta get with us. Now. We may
not be the old school three yards in the cloud
of dust, but man, we surely can throw it around
the yard. Yeah, I like it. You got there's definitely
a theme there. It is athleticism and his speed, it
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is everything's going to be attacking a vertical group that
you got assembled there. All right, let me give you
my squad here. I've got Bryce Young at quarterback. I've
got his teammate Jamir Gibbs next to him at running back.
He's back there. My whiteouts are Jackson Smith and Jigba
in the slot, with Jordan Addison from sc on one side,
with Quinton Johnson on the other. I've got a tight
(30:09):
end of Michael Mayer, who's really a two way guy
who's gonna help us in the run game as well
as the pass game. My tackles, I got Darnell Right
at right tackle out of Tennessee. I'm gonna stay in
conference and go with Roderick Jones at left tackle from Georgia.
I've got Peter Scronsky, he's gonna be my left guard.
I've got Joe Tittman the center from Wisconsin. He's gonna
be my center. And then I've got Cody mauk Is
(30:31):
gonna be my right guard. So I feel like I've
got two really really big, physical, athletic tackles. I've got
an athletic interior offensive line. I love the tight end
who's gonna be able to really maul people in the
run game as well as do some things the pass game.
I feel I love my quarterback, Bryce Young. I feel
like with the physicality my group up front, I feel
like Jimir Gibbs gonna get some home run opportunities, gonna
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get him to the edge and then let him go.
And then I feel like on third down buckets a
pick your poison with these white outs. So I feel
like I've got balance. I like my group. I've got
a physical group. I've got some speed. I like the
mix here with Bryce Young kind of being the captain
and controling the whole thing. Yeah, it's definitely a balance group.
Is definitely a group that has the ability to kind
of go from physical to finesse whenever they need it.
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And the physicality you talk about those big bodies up
front being able to run the ball when you want
to run it and you got the gas behind it
Jamie gives being able to do it not only as
a runner, but coming out the backfield catching the ball.
And then you think about the dynamic weapons that you
have on the perimeter. You have a pure route runner
in Jackson Smith and Jigba. You have the explosive playmaker
in Quinn Johnson who can take the top off the
(31:39):
defense and can stretch it vertically, which is really problematic.
And you got the big body that can post up
in the middle over Michael Meyer. Because it's a tough
team to defend stylistically, two very different teams. Yeah, but
the goal is the same. Put a lot of fresh
on the defense. Yeah, Now this is a fun exercise. Man. Again,
(31:59):
there was a little stre that went involved there. I
feel like you lobbed. I feel like you lobbed the
first shot you took. You took Kingcad. He took my
guy who I was talking through. I was talking to
a GM the other day about him, when I said, look,
I know, I see, I see. There's always you know,
a million mocked drafts and everybody's talking and he's gonna
(32:19):
go in the late first round. Maybe he goes in
the second round. It's a little tight end group. I'm like,
I do my update top fifties out, I'm like, oh,
I can't find ten players better than him, Like I can't.
I know you can say, oh, he's a little bit older,
he had a back, which I told he passed all
his physicals. He's fine there, um, but like you can
kind of find some reasons. But I'm like, yeah, but
when you turn on the tape, there's not There's not
(32:40):
ten players better than this dude in this draft. It isn't.
So I'm like, I don't know. That's why I got
him up there. Man, he's a talented player. Uh. He
made a transition to me that really makes you feel
good about what he could be. He goes from USD
after playing like yeah, maybe playing one year high school
ball to one down there like just absolutely lighten it up.
(33:03):
Transitions to Utah, who also had tight ends already into war,
and he stands up and is super impressive and so
and then we think about Utah players and kind of
the grittiness and toughness they have. It's gonna be hard
to find guys like that. DJ. I just see him
in the right situation, a team that really throws it
(33:23):
around and features. That guy's a flex tight and they
know how to kind of create things to get him open.
He's gonna be probably he's gonna be handful. Yeah, no,
he's he's a great player, so he's a fun one.
He's kind of held his water throughout the whole process
for me, and you know, we'll see how it all
ends up. This was This is a great exercise. I
hope you guys have enjoyed listening to this. We are
going to flip it over to the other side on
(33:45):
the next episode. We will do the defense. Bucky will
have the first pick, and then I got to try
and deploy a strategy where I can mess with him.
Once we get to this defense here, I'm already trying
to think about where the depth is. Gosh, we have
to find two linebackers a piece. Man, God's pray for
us that we can find a combined four off the
ball linebackers that we like in this draft. Not a
(34:05):
great group. Yeah, it's gonna be hard. It's gonna be
hard to find those guys. So we'll see. All right,
we'll do it, all right, catch Buck on path to
the draft. Each and every day that is at three
o'clock West Coast, six o'clock Eastern. We will be We'll
be back Monday with our next move, the six episode. Again,
we'll jump into the defense there. The pro days are
pretty much wrapped up. Devin Witherspoon, by the way, this
(34:26):
morning ran four four two four four six, exactly what
we thought. I mean, I think there was some chatter
on social media about he's some four five guy, mid
four fives, and I'm like, nah, now, every you know,
I talked to all the folks where he's been training.
They're really accurate. He trains down there with Brent Callaway
at Exos there and in Frisco, and he's he's honest,
it's a day as long and said, this kid's, you know,
(34:48):
four to four every day all day. And so he
ran four two four four two four four six, So
he's good. But anyways, most of the pro days are done,
I mean basically all of them. By the time we
come back Monday, we'll be in the rearview mirror. So
we'll discuss who maybe rose a little bit, who fell
a little bit, and we'll do this defensive draft. So
that's gonna do it for us. Buckingt of else you
wanted to get into before we jump out of here. No,
I mean, I think this part is fun. I think
(35:09):
we're we're less than a month away. We have a
handful of weeks away, and before you knew if we're
gonna be right there on draft day, we'll begin to
hear something. The reports about the visits, the private workouts,
and some of the medical and character stuff would be
short up. And so I'm sure we have some conversations
about some late risers and followers over the next few weeks.
No doubt that's gonna do it for us. Everybody appreciate
you hanging with us. Thanks to the Bill for running
(35:30):
the show. He is the best in the business. And
we'll see you next time. Right here, I'll move the sticks.
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