March 31, 2025 • 28 mins
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks open up the show with an update on DJ’s 1-on-1 conversation with 49ers QB Brock Purdy and discuss a prospect’s pro day that has QB-needy teams buzzing.
Then, DJ and Bucky break down the biggest rumors coming out of the NFL Annual Meeting including the Steelers' plan at quarterback, Jim Harbaugh entertaining the idea of bringing back Keenan Allen, the Titan’s tipping their hand with the first overall pick and the rule proposal put forth that would ban the “Tush Push.”
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Buck
with you? Buck? What is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I see you're in the studio.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Yeah, in studio, man, getting ready for path to the draft.
Counting down the days to the NFL Draft. So the
prejraft process is in full swing.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yeah, I'm I'm excited to get in there later in
the week. I do understand it. From a little Bertie,
we're going no ties. Sounds like RTT got his way,
which you know, I know, I'm comfortable with. I think
you though, you know you like to dress it up
a little bit. Buck, you like to play around with
a different tie, a little bit pocket square.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I mean I can I can work around I can
work around it. Charles Davis. Though Charles CD is a
tie guy, not a fan, not a fan, not a fan,
so we'll see. I wouldn't be surprised if CD still
shows up tie. Oh probably, So I don't think this
would be as contentious as the push conversation at owners meetings.
But yes, maybe maybe and Red may have a little,
(01:02):
a little face off in the hallway explaining their various
size on why they stand on certain issues.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Well, by the way, just a quick, a quick, a
quick glimpse into CD. For those that don't know Charles
Davis as a person, obviously, you've you've heard him call games.
You've heard him called National championship games in college. You've
heard him call big time NFL games, playoff games. You've
you've heard him on Madden if you played the video
game for years and years and years. Charles Dave's one
of the best humans alive. He's I just got another
(01:30):
note from him, Buck. He sends these handwritten notes like
as I get ready to get to the draft about
you know, just encouraging you and and just what He's
an unbelievable teammate. So shout out to c d there
on that on that front. Wasn't planning to go there,
but you brought up his name, so I was like.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
It was really great.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
One of the greatest dudes ever, one of the best,
I would say, mentors when it comes to how to
operate in this space, how to prepare, how to get down,
how to survive, how to navigate various different obstacles. Uh,
he's done. He's had a long career. He is to
guide I would say as a phone or friend, if
I need a lifeline, it's tribute question. Yeah, he has
all the information to do anything. Absolutely one of the best, for.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Sure, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
All Right, today we're going to get into some of
the stuff that happened at the owner's meetings, because I
do think there's information you can pull out of those
meetings every year that do help us in our draft
prep and and some information there that kind of opened
some eyes a little bit. So we'll get to that
in just a minute, but I do want to give
you a quick update. So I did a promotional shoot
where we shot some videos. It was with rock Pretty
(02:30):
at NFL Network yesterday. It was with Toyota. And first
of all, we get there and it was we had
the camera mounted on the hood. We had all these
GoPros inside and we're gonna have these conversations just driving around.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
So, by the way, I did learn when you're doing
those with a car company, you have to be at
ten and two. You can't.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, you can't do that. They don't let you do that.
And I'll use your hand kind of one hand.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So we did.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
We did one run through and they're like like cut, cut,
DJ at ten and two.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
We just bet.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I get it. I mean, I'm going five, I'm going
five miles an hour and there's.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
No I haven't been. I have been in and drivers.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
So when you see these videos come out, you're gonna
see me talking to Brock Purty with my with my
hands out like this. Uh locked, locked and loaded.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
But uh man, what what a what a great dude.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Man. I think you have had a chance to maybe
spend a little more time with him than I have.
I never have really spent any time with him, and
so that was the first time really meeting them, getting
to know him, and man, you can see why his
teammates love him Buck, And I want to get to
you what you took away from him, because I knew
you around him at the at the East West game
coming out. But I'll give you the one thing that
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I asked him, Uh, I said, what do we always
miss about quarterbacks?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Like?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
What is something that maybe we don't pay attention to?
And his answer caught me off guard because I don't
know if I've ever heard this. He said, Uh, I
think it's important that you can inspire your teammates that
like you're someone that they can rally around and you
bring you know, you always you've always used to phrase
like hope, like you have a franchise quarterback that brings hope,
but he kind of even was more like kind of
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instead just saying leadership, he use the word inspiration, which
I thought was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Look, I think it's fabulous because I don't know if
you've ever seen any of the micd up things on him.
He got he got more dog to him than people
would know. He's an alpha competitor. And you know what
I can appreciate him is as the young people say,
like he got it out the mutt.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
He was a seventh round pick.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
He was someone that when we saw the East West
Shrine game DJ, I didn't know if he was even draftable.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Like he was fine. He had a great career at
Iowa Stay.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
He's an all time leader in so many different categories,
won a lot of games there, turned the program around.
But when you see him on the hoof, like he's
not an impressive physical being. He doesn't have great stature.
You know, he doesn't have some of the tools that
you see some of the elite quarterbacks have. And what
I can appreciate is when he was kind of dealing
(05:02):
with the criticism pre Jeff Process East West Shrine game
getting into training camp. He didn't get bitter, he got better.
He took all of those critiques. And I've heard him
talk about being in the room and Shanahan and those
guys coming at him and talking about him and asking
him to improve certain aspects of the game, and he
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just went to work. And when he got his opportunity, man,
it clicked and it called on like wildfire. And even
now where people refuse to give him credit for the
team's success, he still just goes to work. And you know,
people can talk about fifty million dollars quarterbacks and what
it should look like and what tools they should possess
and those things. But at the end of the day,
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Man brock Prady, when he's under center for the Niners,
they win, and they went a lot, and it's undeniable
how different the offense looks when he's the point guard there. Look, man,
he's gonna get a big contract. He's well deserving, and
then the Niners have to figure out a way to
build a round them to allow them to continue to
sustain a level of success with him a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah, I'll tell you what when you spend time around
him and you see obviously we see the numbers and
see how fishent he is and how productive he is,
but I think he is like the sum is greater
than the individual parts with him, like you kind of
I got it, Like spending a day with him, I
definitely got it.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, the in factor.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
And I'll say this, man, for your teammates, likability matters
at quarterback. Like if guys really like you, and you
talked about inspiration, but if guys really like you, they
rally around you. You see it in their interactions, how
they pick him up when he's been knocked down, how
they run to him and they're genuinely excited when he
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makes plays, and how he's genuinely excited for those other guys.
The one thing that we can look at tape and
we can talk and interview, but man, there's a chemistry
experiment that takes place with football teams that certain quarterbacks haven't.
And I think we've talked about it in times in
using like pick up basketball. Yeah, sometimes you can take
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a quarterback and just put him in with four of
the guys, but his team always stays on the court
because they have this X factor.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Brock Purdy has some of that in his.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
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Speaker 2 (07:21):
Uh. I wanted to jump that jump off from there
into one pro.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Day and then we'll get into what I was talking
about the top about some of these comments from the
owner's meetings. But I heard from teams Jackson Darts pro
Day was really really good, man. And I know we
talk about pro day's all the time that it's you know,
let's don't read into it more than you should. But
I was listening more instead of just like how he
threw it, which you know, by all accounts was really good.
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It was he was in kind of complete control. He
was running the whole thing. You know, they took recommendations
from the crowd about like coaches, what what else you
want to see, like let's we'll do it, we'll go
through it. But just kind of had a presence about
him in hand handled himself really well. So that's the
stuff I think that outside of the throes, that's the
stuff that's going to help people.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Well, I'm gonna say this and a lot of people
will know this, but was the Super Bowl sending when
Jackson DRT was in the building and he sat with
us while we were watching the game, I would say
I came away really impressed with him.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And the reason why I was impressed DJ, like, when
you meet prospects doing what.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
We do, you never know how they're gonna come off.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You never know what they've heard in terms of what
you said about them, what they've read, if you've written
a critique of those things. But I can say this,
he has a blend of confidence and humility that I appreciated.
Humble enough to ask about the process and what to expect,
but confident enough to know that he's ready to handle
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what is on the horizon. And as you begin to
dig deeper and you look at the tape and you
talk to people around the program, and you see him
handle all these things along the way, the combine, the
pro day and those things. DJ, I have him as
QB three, But I'm really confident, and I'm really confident
in terms of who Jackson Dart is going to be.
I'm confident, and not only the intelligence, the toughness, the talent.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
All of that is there.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I think he has that it factor that you must
have to be a really good quarterback in our league.
And I think the rough moments that we saw at USC,
the journey and the odyssey that he had at Ole
miss that's gonna serve him well. I just look at
bow Knicks, and I look at jayde and Daniels, and
I look at the people that have had to go
through some things to get to the other side. To me,
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I'm really confident that Jackson Dart is gonna be a
solid starting quarterback in the league.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, I think there's I think there's more than a
few teams that degree, and I'm curious to see when
he ends up going off the board. But I would say,
if you're asking me right now, I think he's more
likely to go in one than he is to go
in two. I think he's a really good shot of
going in there.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
The team that I would love to see take him,
I would love to see the la Rams take him
at the bottom of the first ront. And the reason
why is I would love to see his bility to
mash up with Sean McVay in a run heavy. I
can't even call it run heavy, but a run centric
offense that has confinary play action passes, that utilizes the
athleticism of the quarterback and those things. Because I think
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about those scripted winners that Lane Kiffin routinely uses at
ole Miss.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I know Sean McVay can script some winners.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
As well, and I just feel like that environment or
the ecosystem as they talk about with the rams would
be perfect and ideal for him. I also think that's
about the right spot based on what I saw on tape,
how I graded him where he should come off the board.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
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Let's take a quick pause here, let's come back. I
want to hit you on some of these comments I
saw from the owner's meetings and see what we can
make some sense of it. Right after this, all right, Bob,
(11:02):
First one here, this is Mike Tomlin. This is him
talking about a quarterback, and that is a quarterback in
Mason Rudolph, and that's why we brought him back. Tomlin said,
I'm comfortable with that with him being the starter. We've
been there before. He's a very capable guy. Are you
buying that that he's comfortable going into the season with
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Mason Rudolf.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I think sometimes, you know, coaches have a greater appreciation
for guys when they leave, and after dealing with all
of the things, I thought Justin Fields was solid for them.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Russell Wilson had moments for them.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
But I think if you're Mike Tomlin and there's a
comfort level in terms of guys and fit within the
locker room, Mason Rudolph was of Pittsburgh, still there for
a long time. Mason Rudolph knows how the Pittsburgh still
is get down and how they do business. Mason Rudolph
is at a point where ego isn't an issue when
it comes to being the QB one.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Maybe, just maybe, and I did know that you're gonna
take us.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
This, But you know how we always talk about the
rookie quarterback being the best way to build a Super
Bowl team because when you have it at that low number,
you can build all the other pieces well, maybe Mason
Rudolph this year or whatever they signed them to. Maybe
this is the bargain basement quarterback that they can use
to fill out the rest of the roster until they
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really find the quarterback of the future. And maybe they
don't want to rush it because a couple of years
ago they reached for Kenny Pickett at twenty, you know,
because they had to have a quarterback and it wasn't
the right one. I think if they really feel like
that internally about Mason Rudolph, well, now, man, you just
attack the draft like you always attack it.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Take the best player that is available at that thing.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Because if you can line up and play with Mason
Rudolph and you literally believe that you can win with him,
when that opens up the board for you to make
decisions that are best for the team and not based
on need.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Yeah, I'm also looking through here. I wanted to pull
these number up. Think about the Steelers. The Steelers last
year buck were passing offense. They were twenty seventh in
the league. Twenty seventh. So let's look at DK Metcalf
last year fifteen yards to catch the year before, sixteen
point nine yards to catch. Darner's you know, right, it's
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seventeen yards per catch. This was I've kind of referred
to the Steelers as a station to station, you know, offense.
If you think about baseball, it's just yeah, first based
like there's no triples and home runs like this is
none of that.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And I thought, you know, and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I thought when they got DK that that meant that
George Pickens probably would be trade bait, that he would
be on the way out. But he's still on the
team right now. We'll see if they carry him into
the year. But in some ways, like Naji Harris leaving,
who was kind of the face of singles, singles, singles,
maybe an occasional double, I don't think he had a run.
You know, I don't know what his longest run was,
but I know I think Jim Harbaugh has a longer
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career run than than Naji Harris. I saw that week
when it happened. So you're not getting you're not He's
not a home run hitter. That's not the style of
back yet, but they're going to be now. They're gonna
have more carries from a more explosive player, whether that's
Warren whoever, else they draft and bring in there. But
they're gonna have more explosive runners. They're gonna have with
DK Metcalfe, and if they keep George Pickens, you've got
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some flyers there. Like, it's kind of interesting to see
how they would build that offense. But I think in
some ways you could. You could even say, Okay, maybe
from a talent standpoint, with Fields and Russ, maybe Mason
Rudolph comes in a little bit below them. But if
this is what they had to do, I think they'd
still could be a more explosive offense.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So so what you're telling me is Mike Tomlin is saying, hey,
we're gonna bring you back, Mason Rudolph. But before you
go up to bat, Oh, I got this new little
torpedo bat that we're.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Gonna put in your hand.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
We don't put DK metcalf and George Pickens on the perimeter.
A little more explosiveness and oh, by the way, you
may have a little more pop in you bet, because
then you got more explosive options. And now that you're
talking about let's be honest, DJ, you said they had
the twenty seventh ranked pass offense.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah, well, how much worse could.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
It be like we're just being it, We're being honest.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
How much he won ten games? They wont ten double.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Digit games with that last year, So how much worse
being team with Rudolph?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
And if you give him weapons and opportunities to push
the ball down the field, you got firepower and pickings
and DK metcalf. We talked about a running back that
potentially you can take. Maybe just maybe it's to still
as saying yeah, we're gonna double down and figure out
a way to continue to win. And maybe we're talking
about preserving the culture in the locker room as opposed
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to mortgage in the farm. For Ann Rodgers to come
in there and potentially wreck a little bit of the
goodwill that they have, the vibes that they have.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
In the locker room, Yeah, I saw it.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
I think somebody reported that he is playing catch with
DK though somewhere that Aaron Rodgers was, So maybe that's
eventually what happens Aaron Rodgers. But even at that same
thing applies with Rogers. I think this will be I
think the goal would be for this to be a
more explosive offense. And I would argue because they traded
the two for DK they don't have a two they have.
They picked twenty first and then next pick is eighty third.
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If somebody who is interested wants to come up for quarterback,
if they're not comfortable taking the quarterback there, if it's
Jackson Dark, they might be a prime candidate to say, hey, Cleveland,
you know the Giants whichever you guys don't take quarterbacks
at the top. You want to come back in and
still get one. We're open for business and we'll go
ahead and get some of those picks in that second
round range that we don't currently possess.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I'm okay with it, Like I think there are a
few different ways to do it, and the likelihood of
where they're picking the quarterback jumping in and being a
rookie quarterback being an immediate offensive niter, the odds are
against that kind of impact from a rookie quarterback. If
you're Mike Tomlin and if you're the Stillers and you're
talking about closing the gap and winning now, maybe a
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veteran presence with a better supporting cast, a more dynamic
supporting cast is the way to go for them.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Yeah, no question, We'll see what they end up doing there.
But I thought interesting comments there from Mike Tomlin. How
about this one? This is from coach Calahan Tennessee Titans.
We're open to everything at this point. If it's something
you feel is beyond the value you ever thought you
could get, that's one thing. But you also have to
look at what a potential quarterback could look like. Those guys,
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to me, are priceless tip pitches there, Buck, you tip
in your pitches.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I think that's a tip pitch.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That is a tip pitch. I mean we all know this,
right and particularly because you and I on our side, Jows,
we live in a conference where it looks it's a
murderer's row quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I don't care how you slice it.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And I know we just talked about Pittsburgh being in
the AFC and how they can piece middle.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
With explosive plays whatever a DJ.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
At some point you gonna have to stand on the
mound and you have to you have to go and
get out Alan Mahomes, Jackson Burrow, Herbert Stroud, bow Nicks
and others. We can sit here and talk about the
team thing is going to work, but at some point.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
You got to have a dude that can put the
fire out.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And if you don't have one you're chasing, or the
margin of eer is so small for you to be
able to get it done.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I mean, that's just the reality.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
So Callahan looks around and he sees it, and he's like,
you got to have one to at least compete.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
If you don't have one, you don't really have a chance. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I definitely think that's the direction in which they're going
to end up going there in Tennessee with the first overall,
pick a couple more, two more for you. Jim Harbaugh
was asked about bringing Keenan Allen back. Anything's possible, that
would be cool. What Harbaugh said, I don't know, you
see anything there, And Mike Williams already come back. You
bring back Keenan Allen as well.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Get the band together.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Bringing a band back together, I will say this, So
you did it one way, and look they did it
without last year. Well, sometimes guys have to go away
to kind of finally remember how good they had it
at their previous destination. Mike Williams hearing him talk lovingly
about being back in the building, talking about the bolt
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and those things, and I'm sure he's talked to his
teammates and they talked about how cool things may be
down there, the fact that they're winning. I think now
at look, Keenan Allen's accomplished a lot of individual things.
The only thing that's left to accomplish is really winning
at a high level. Maybe he is more amenable to
coming back and playing without the money being a big
part of it, and maybe the charge, like, hey, if
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you're gonna come back at a price, this team friendly.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Why wouldn't we take it?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
You know, it helps our quarterback get better because he
already has instant chemistry with those guys, and then it's
a matter of having young guys ready to take those roles.
But to me, I think it could be a good play,
and I think Keenan Allen, to me, look, he's forever
a charge. He will probably be a better fit and
more agreeable to some of the things that have to
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take place for the team to win in LA as
opposed to other spots.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
If you're Keenan Allen, you know you you you look
at that situation that you've got Lad McConkie, who's does
a lot of his work in the slot, where Keenan
is kind of, you know, really really comfortable in there.
I was almost looking at it. If you're you know,
you get back to the West coast, for sure, that
could be an option. But I also was thinking about
Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen, where do you go to college?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Buck? Where did he go? Ko? Then you put him
in the Bay Area.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
No, I'm saying he went to Cal was a Cal
quarterback who hadn't signed yet.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Oh oh, you think he's gonna be a buddy.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
You think, you think you think the relationship is, but
you think about he kind of compliments the two guys
in Pittsburgh. If you think about it, I mean, you've
got to get in there outside Flyers. Now you get
a real trustworthy slot. I mean, he's a He's a
better version of of you know, an Alan Lazard, who
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someone who is someone who is someone that that Rogers
has had affinity for and love throwing to. I mean,
he does everything he does better. So I know, I
know this about you. You don't normally drop little things
without this one I got.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I know.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
But I did wonder lab McConkie because Lab mnconkie did flourish.
And it's like Keenan is really a slot receiver. You
have some redundancy but I just like, if potentially you
could bring the gang.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Back together, I just know trusts him.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I just know if you're Keenan Allen and you
haven't had like quality quarterback play the last year, so
and you just know, I know Herbert is a stud,
you'd probably more likely be like, Man, let me go
back and play with a really good quarterback so I
can get.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Back and get my numbers and my touches. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Maybe that's maybe that's where we end up going there,
and that's what ends up happening. All Right, this has
been kind of the big topic. I don't even think
we've talked about this once. It hasn't just hasn't been
as interesting to me as it is to apparently everybody else.
But Sean McDermott, still anti Tush Push, says he has
injury concerns even though the data suggests there's no injury risk,
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which I found to be kind of funny. This just
seems like, Look, the rest of the league is like this.
One team is really really really good at this. If
we can all band together and just eliminate it, I
think we all benefit in some way shape.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
But I think that's such a weak way to go out.
Everyone has the opportunity to be really good at the play.
Everyone can devote the time into resources to really make
the play effective for them. The Philadelphia Eagles have found
a way to make this a very potent play, and
it's a combination of how they teach it, how they
scheme it, how they are committed to it, and who
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they have executing it. I mean, DJ, if you have
one of the best offensive lines in football and probably
the strongest quarterback lower body strength and football executing a
rugby scrum, it's gonna be hard to stop it.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Everyone else has the opportunity to do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
They have mastered the tush push, and I think all
of this other stuff is jealousy and envy and just
bitterness because they are so good at it. Now here's
the thing. We've seen some teams stop it mm hmm,
but it's hard to stop a lot because they've been really,
really good with their execution.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I don't know, I just I think it is kind
of weak sauce. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Of just y'all have.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
It's not like they nobody else has the opportunity to
do the exact same thing. It's just they crafted a
play that perfectly fits their personnel. But I mean, I
guess there are they is there an argument of wow,
it's just a non competitive play because they're so good
at it. I mean, like, what are we gonna do?
We're gonna ban what are we gonna outlaw fades to
Randy Moss in the red zone, like what what are
we gonna do? Like, well, we can't stop.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
That is like that doesn't I don't.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I don't think that's right, and I don't think it
should be something where you make a change without the
data supporting.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
There's been a ton of it.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
If they've been carding guys off like the old video
game where the ambulance would come on the field and
take them off, it hasn't been there, Like so I remember.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
That they couldn't get a rid with that anymore.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
By the way, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
If they're not doing that, then look, you gotta go.
You gotta figure out a way to do it. You
gotta practice against, you gotta work against, you gotta get
better at it in training camp. But it's unfair to
penalize a team that's really successful doing it for something
that they created and mastered.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I did find.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
The only thing that I found interesting about this whole
thing was the fact that Sirianni was going around to
all the former Eagles coaches that are now head coaches,
being like, yeah, you guys better vote. You guys got
your jobs because of this thing. You better vote to
keep this thing alive. Talking about you know, coach stich In,
talking about Kellen Moore, Jonathan Gannon, like, I better have
those three votes.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Well, because he only needs he only needs nine votes
to squash it. So if he gets his guys to
come through, that would help.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Knowing Howie too, you know how he's been lobbying, Like
he's been going around trying to lobby people around the league.
But I'll be interested to see what the vote. As
we're recording this, there's no finality to it, but I
wouldn't feel great about it, just because I know how
this league operates, and if it does benefit them, they're
going to vote against it.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
That's just how competitive the league is. It is what
it is.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, anything else you want to get into Buck, I
know you've got to run to get a meeting.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
But out of there, man, it's just so much fun
to have these opics and DJ as we get into it.
I'm really curious as we go back and start talking
about like some of these last burning questions. When it
comes to final rankings, you're putting out your last you know,
top fifty as expands, So I think you expanded all
the way out on top one hundred to one fifty,
(25:31):
being able to put the finishing touches on that. Like,
I can't wait to have some of these conversations because
now it's getting real.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Everyone's going back into the meetings.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
We're putting all the data, the medical, all the background
stuff in there with the final film evaluation. So I'm
looking forward to kind of honing in on some of
the players, some of the late rises, some of the
late faults in this draft lives.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Yeah, it's also ghost chasing season, so that's what I'm doing,
trying to find these deen.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Down depend down.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
But depending on these guys end up going.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
So I gotta just I gotta find some guys to
round out these six and seventh rounds.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
We get some of these.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Pop up dudes, but there are fewer this year because
I think the transfer portal eliminated that. Like, I'm not
watching nearly as many you know, Division two type guys
like normally, I've got a pretty good chunk of those
guys that have a chance.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
They should say that many.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Man, Yes, sir, the chance for a porter has forever
changed the NFL draft and has changed March Madness. It's
all chalk is all the heavyweights are going.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
It is forever change.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I never thought that it would have this much of
an impact we talked about on the NFL Draft. But man,
college basketball, like March Madness is, there's no madness, there's
just March.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Somebody I think was Jay Wright, brought up a great
point that we've never seen this talented of a final four,
Like all these great players have all banded together, so
they're all on just a few teams. So from I'm
sure the NBA scout feel the same way we did
when we talked about the college football playoff and we
talked about the conference realignment, like we've never seen more
good on good than we're seeing now.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
You can't evaluate if you can't evaluate now seeing good
on good, great players playing against other great players with
in high stakes games.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, as a scout, that's all you want.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Are you looking for these high leverage opportunities to see
how it could translate to the next low. It's been
great in terms of that, not as fun for the
bracky guys that like that. Oh I'm gonna going to
number fourteen.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah not this year, Bud, my son, my son went
that route. Pool, got a bunch of ones, ones and
two bad ones.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah yeah, so so much.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah all right, Well that's gonna do it for us today.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I hope you guys have enjoyed it. We'll be back Thursday
with a new pod.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I appreciate you hanging with us right here on Move
the sticks.
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Buck
with you? Buck? What is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
I see you're in the studio.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Yeah, in studio, man, getting ready for path to the draft.
Counting down the days to the NFL Draft. So the
prejraft process is in full swing.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yeah, I'm I'm excited to get in there later in
the week. I do understand it. From a little Bertie,
we're going no ties. Sounds like RTT got his way,
which you know, I know, I'm comfortable with. I think
you though, you know you like to dress it up
a little bit. Buck, you like to play around with
a different tie, a little bit pocket square.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I mean I can I can work around I can
work around it. Charles Davis. Though Charles CD is a
tie guy, not a fan, not a fan, not a fan,
so we'll see. I wouldn't be surprised if CD still
shows up tie. Oh probably, So I don't think this
would be as contentious as the push conversation at owners meetings.
But yes, maybe maybe and Red may have a little,
(01:02):
a little face off in the hallway explaining their various
size on why they stand on certain issues.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Well, by the way, just a quick, a quick, a
quick glimpse into CD. For those that don't know Charles
Davis as a person, obviously, you've you've heard him call games.
You've heard him called National championship games in college. You've
heard him call big time NFL games, playoff games. You've
you've heard him on Madden if you played the video
game for years and years and years. Charles Dave's one
of the best humans alive. He's I just got another
(01:30):
note from him, Buck. He sends these handwritten notes like
as I get ready to get to the draft about
you know, just encouraging you and and just what He's
an unbelievable teammate. So shout out to c d there
on that on that front. Wasn't planning to go there,
but you brought up his name, so I was like.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
It was really great.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
One of the greatest dudes ever, one of the best,
I would say, mentors when it comes to how to
operate in this space, how to prepare, how to get down,
how to survive, how to navigate various different obstacles. Uh,
he's done. He's had a long career. He is to
guide I would say as a phone or friend, if
I need a lifeline, it's tribute question. Yeah, he has
all the information to do anything. Absolutely one of the best, for.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
Sure, no doubt.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
All Right, today we're going to get into some of
the stuff that happened at the owner's meetings, because I
do think there's information you can pull out of those
meetings every year that do help us in our draft
prep and and some information there that kind of opened
some eyes a little bit. So we'll get to that
in just a minute, but I do want to give
you a quick update. So I did a promotional shoot
where we shot some videos. It was with rock Pretty
(02:30):
at NFL Network yesterday. It was with Toyota. And first
of all, we get there and it was we had
the camera mounted on the hood. We had all these
GoPros inside and we're gonna have these conversations just driving around.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Right.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
So, by the way, I did learn when you're doing
those with a car company, you have to be at
ten and two. You can't.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Yeah, you can't do that. They don't let you do that.
And I'll use your hand kind of one hand.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
So we did.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
We did one run through and they're like like cut, cut,
DJ at ten and two.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
We just bet.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
I get it. I mean, I'm going five, I'm going
five miles an hour and there's.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
No I haven't been. I have been in and drivers.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Yes.
Speaker 4 (03:13):
So when you see these videos come out, you're gonna
see me talking to Brock Purty with my with my
hands out like this. Uh locked, locked and loaded.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
But uh man, what what a what a great dude.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Man. I think you have had a chance to maybe
spend a little more time with him than I have.
I never have really spent any time with him, and
so that was the first time really meeting them, getting
to know him, and man, you can see why his
teammates love him Buck, And I want to get to
you what you took away from him, because I knew
you around him at the at the East West game
coming out. But I'll give you the one thing that
(03:45):
I asked him, Uh, I said, what do we always
miss about quarterbacks?
Speaker 3 (03:49):
Like?
Speaker 4 (03:49):
What is something that maybe we don't pay attention to?
And his answer caught me off guard because I don't
know if I've ever heard this. He said, Uh, I
think it's important that you can inspire your teammates that
like you're someone that they can rally around and you
bring you know, you always you've always used to phrase
like hope, like you have a franchise quarterback that brings hope,
but he kind of even was more like kind of
(04:11):
instead just saying leadership, he use the word inspiration, which
I thought was pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Look, I think it's fabulous because I don't know if
you've ever seen any of the micd up things on him.
He got he got more dog to him than people
would know. He's an alpha competitor. And you know what
I can appreciate him is as the young people say,
like he got it out the mutt.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
He was a seventh round pick.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
He was someone that when we saw the East West
Shrine game DJ, I didn't know if he was even draftable.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Like he was fine. He had a great career at
Iowa Stay.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
He's an all time leader in so many different categories,
won a lot of games there, turned the program around.
But when you see him on the hoof, like he's
not an impressive physical being. He doesn't have great stature.
You know, he doesn't have some of the tools that
you see some of the elite quarterbacks have. And what
I can appreciate is when he was kind of dealing
(05:02):
with the criticism pre Jeff Process East West Shrine game
getting into training camp. He didn't get bitter, he got better.
He took all of those critiques. And I've heard him
talk about being in the room and Shanahan and those
guys coming at him and talking about him and asking
him to improve certain aspects of the game, and he
(05:22):
just went to work. And when he got his opportunity, man,
it clicked and it called on like wildfire. And even
now where people refuse to give him credit for the
team's success, he still just goes to work. And you know,
people can talk about fifty million dollars quarterbacks and what
it should look like and what tools they should possess
and those things. But at the end of the day,
(05:44):
Man brock Prady, when he's under center for the Niners,
they win, and they went a lot, and it's undeniable
how different the offense looks when he's the point guard there. Look, man,
he's gonna get a big contract. He's well deserving, and
then the Niners have to figure out a way to
build a round them to allow them to continue to
sustain a level of success with him a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Yeah, I'll tell you what when you spend time around
him and you see obviously we see the numbers and
see how fishent he is and how productive he is,
but I think he is like the sum is greater
than the individual parts with him, like you kind of
I got it, Like spending a day with him, I
definitely got it.
Speaker 3 (06:19):
Yeah, the in factor.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
And I'll say this, man, for your teammates, likability matters
at quarterback. Like if guys really like you, and you
talked about inspiration, but if guys really like you, they
rally around you. You see it in their interactions, how
they pick him up when he's been knocked down, how
they run to him and they're genuinely excited when he
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makes plays, and how he's genuinely excited for those other guys.
The one thing that we can look at tape and
we can talk and interview, but man, there's a chemistry
experiment that takes place with football teams that certain quarterbacks haven't.
And I think we've talked about it in times in
using like pick up basketball. Yeah, sometimes you can take
(07:01):
a quarterback and just put him in with four of
the guys, but his team always stays on the court
because they have this X factor.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
Brock Purdy has some of that in his.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
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Speaker 2 (07:21):
Uh. I wanted to jump that jump off from there
into one pro.
Speaker 4 (07:24):
Day and then we'll get into what I was talking
about the top about some of these comments from the
owner's meetings. But I heard from teams Jackson Darts pro
Day was really really good, man. And I know we
talk about pro day's all the time that it's you know,
let's don't read into it more than you should. But
I was listening more instead of just like how he
threw it, which you know, by all accounts was really good.
(07:46):
It was he was in kind of complete control. He
was running the whole thing. You know, they took recommendations
from the crowd about like coaches, what what else you
want to see, like let's we'll do it, we'll go
through it. But just kind of had a presence about
him in hand handled himself really well. So that's the
stuff I think that outside of the throes, that's the
stuff that's going to help people.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Well, I'm gonna say this and a lot of people
will know this, but was the Super Bowl sending when
Jackson DRT was in the building and he sat with
us while we were watching the game, I would say
I came away really impressed with him.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
And the reason why I was impressed DJ, like, when
you meet prospects doing what.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
We do, you never know how they're gonna come off.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You never know what they've heard in terms of what
you said about them, what they've read, if you've written
a critique of those things. But I can say this,
he has a blend of confidence and humility that I appreciated.
Humble enough to ask about the process and what to expect,
but confident enough to know that he's ready to handle
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what is on the horizon. And as you begin to
dig deeper and you look at the tape and you
talk to people around the program, and you see him
handle all these things along the way, the combine, the
pro day and those things. DJ, I have him as
QB three, But I'm really confident, and I'm really confident
in terms of who Jackson Dart is going to be.
I'm confident, and not only the intelligence, the toughness, the talent.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
All of that is there.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
I think he has that it factor that you must
have to be a really good quarterback in our league.
And I think the rough moments that we saw at USC,
the journey and the odyssey that he had at Ole
miss that's gonna serve him well. I just look at
bow Knicks, and I look at jayde and Daniels, and
I look at the people that have had to go
through some things to get to the other side. To me,
(09:33):
I'm really confident that Jackson Dart is gonna be a
solid starting quarterback in the league.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Yeah, I think there's I think there's more than a
few teams that degree, and I'm curious to see when
he ends up going off the board. But I would say,
if you're asking me right now, I think he's more
likely to go in one than he is to go
in two. I think he's a really good shot of
going in there.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
The team that I would love to see take him,
I would love to see the la Rams take him
at the bottom of the first ront. And the reason
why is I would love to see his bility to
mash up with Sean McVay in a run heavy. I
can't even call it run heavy, but a run centric
offense that has confinary play action passes, that utilizes the
athleticism of the quarterback and those things. Because I think
(10:14):
about those scripted winners that Lane Kiffin routinely uses at
ole Miss.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I know Sean McVay can script some winners.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
As well, and I just feel like that environment or
the ecosystem as they talk about with the rams would
be perfect and ideal for him. I also think that's
about the right spot based on what I saw on tape,
how I graded him where he should come off the board.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah, No, I think that's I think that's a great point.
That would be a fantastic fit. That's a rap for
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Let's take a quick pause here, let's come back. I
want to hit you on some of these comments I
saw from the owner's meetings and see what we can
make some sense of it. Right after this, all right, Bob,
(11:02):
First one here, this is Mike Tomlin. This is him
talking about a quarterback, and that is a quarterback in
Mason Rudolph, and that's why we brought him back. Tomlin said,
I'm comfortable with that with him being the starter. We've
been there before. He's a very capable guy. Are you
buying that that he's comfortable going into the season with
(11:23):
Mason Rudolf.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
I think sometimes, you know, coaches have a greater appreciation
for guys when they leave, and after dealing with all
of the things, I thought Justin Fields was solid for them.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Russell Wilson had moments for them.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
But I think if you're Mike Tomlin and there's a
comfort level in terms of guys and fit within the
locker room, Mason Rudolph was of Pittsburgh, still there for
a long time. Mason Rudolph knows how the Pittsburgh still
is get down and how they do business. Mason Rudolph
is at a point where ego isn't an issue when
it comes to being the QB one.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Maybe, just maybe, and I did know that you're gonna
take us.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
This, But you know how we always talk about the
rookie quarterback being the best way to build a Super
Bowl team because when you have it at that low number,
you can build all the other pieces well, maybe Mason
Rudolph this year or whatever they signed them to. Maybe
this is the bargain basement quarterback that they can use
to fill out the rest of the roster until they
(12:24):
really find the quarterback of the future. And maybe they
don't want to rush it because a couple of years
ago they reached for Kenny Pickett at twenty, you know,
because they had to have a quarterback and it wasn't
the right one. I think if they really feel like
that internally about Mason Rudolph, well, now, man, you just
attack the draft like you always attack it.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Take the best player that is available at that thing.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Because if you can line up and play with Mason
Rudolph and you literally believe that you can win with him,
when that opens up the board for you to make
decisions that are best for the team and not based
on need.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Yeah, I'm also looking through here. I wanted to pull
these number up. Think about the Steelers. The Steelers last
year buck were passing offense. They were twenty seventh in
the league. Twenty seventh. So let's look at DK Metcalf
last year fifteen yards to catch the year before, sixteen
point nine yards to catch. Darner's you know, right, it's
(13:16):
seventeen yards per catch. This was I've kind of referred
to the Steelers as a station to station, you know, offense.
If you think about baseball, it's just yeah, first based
like there's no triples and home runs like this is
none of that.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
And I thought, you know, and we'll see what happens.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
I thought when they got DK that that meant that
George Pickens probably would be trade bait, that he would
be on the way out. But he's still on the
team right now. We'll see if they carry him into
the year. But in some ways, like Naji Harris leaving,
who was kind of the face of singles, singles, singles,
maybe an occasional double, I don't think he had a run.
You know, I don't know what his longest run was,
but I know I think Jim Harbaugh has a longer
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career run than than Naji Harris. I saw that week
when it happened. So you're not getting you're not He's
not a home run hitter. That's not the style of
back yet, but they're going to be now. They're gonna
have more carries from a more explosive player, whether that's
Warren whoever, else they draft and bring in there. But
they're gonna have more explosive runners. They're gonna have with
DK Metcalfe, and if they keep George Pickens, you've got
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some flyers there. Like, it's kind of interesting to see
how they would build that offense. But I think in
some ways you could. You could even say, Okay, maybe
from a talent standpoint, with Fields and Russ, maybe Mason
Rudolph comes in a little bit below them. But if
this is what they had to do, I think they'd
still could be a more explosive offense.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
So so what you're telling me is Mike Tomlin is saying, hey,
we're gonna bring you back, Mason Rudolph. But before you
go up to bat, Oh, I got this new little
torpedo bat that we're.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Gonna put in your hand.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
We don't put DK metcalf and George Pickens on the perimeter.
A little more explosiveness and oh, by the way, you
may have a little more pop in you bet, because
then you got more explosive options. And now that you're
talking about let's be honest, DJ, you said they had
the twenty seventh ranked pass offense.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Yeah, well, how much worse could.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
It be like we're just being it, We're being honest.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
How much he won ten games? They wont ten double.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
Digit games with that last year, So how much worse
being team with Rudolph?
Speaker 1 (15:12):
And if you give him weapons and opportunities to push
the ball down the field, you got firepower and pickings
and DK metcalf. We talked about a running back that
potentially you can take. Maybe just maybe it's to still
as saying yeah, we're gonna double down and figure out
a way to continue to win. And maybe we're talking
about preserving the culture in the locker room as opposed
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to mortgage in the farm. For Ann Rodgers to come
in there and potentially wreck a little bit of the
goodwill that they have, the vibes that they have.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
In the locker room, Yeah, I saw it.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
I think somebody reported that he is playing catch with
DK though somewhere that Aaron Rodgers was, So maybe that's
eventually what happens Aaron Rodgers. But even at that same
thing applies with Rogers. I think this will be I
think the goal would be for this to be a
more explosive offense. And I would argue because they traded
the two for DK they don't have a two they have.
They picked twenty first and then next pick is eighty third.
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If somebody who is interested wants to come up for quarterback,
if they're not comfortable taking the quarterback there, if it's
Jackson Dark, they might be a prime candidate to say, hey, Cleveland,
you know the Giants whichever you guys don't take quarterbacks
at the top. You want to come back in and
still get one. We're open for business and we'll go
ahead and get some of those picks in that second
round range that we don't currently possess.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
I'm okay with it, Like I think there are a
few different ways to do it, and the likelihood of
where they're picking the quarterback jumping in and being a
rookie quarterback being an immediate offensive niter, the odds are
against that kind of impact from a rookie quarterback. If
you're Mike Tomlin and if you're the Stillers and you're
talking about closing the gap and winning now, maybe a
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veteran presence with a better supporting cast, a more dynamic
supporting cast is the way to go for them.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Yeah, no question, We'll see what they end up doing there.
But I thought interesting comments there from Mike Tomlin. How
about this one? This is from coach Calahan Tennessee Titans.
We're open to everything at this point. If it's something
you feel is beyond the value you ever thought you
could get, that's one thing. But you also have to
look at what a potential quarterback could look like. Those guys,
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to me, are priceless tip pitches there, Buck, you tip
in your pitches.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
I think that's a tip pitch.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
That is a tip pitch. I mean we all know this,
right and particularly because you and I on our side, Jows,
we live in a conference where it looks it's a
murderer's row quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
I don't care how you slice it.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
And I know we just talked about Pittsburgh being in
the AFC and how they can piece middle.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
With explosive plays whatever a DJ.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
At some point you gonna have to stand on the
mound and you have to you have to go and
get out Alan Mahomes, Jackson Burrow, Herbert Stroud, bow Nicks
and others. We can sit here and talk about the
team thing is going to work, but at some point.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
You got to have a dude that can put the
fire out.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
And if you don't have one you're chasing, or the
margin of eer is so small for you to be
able to get it done.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
I mean, that's just the reality.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
So Callahan looks around and he sees it, and he's like,
you got to have one to at least compete.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
If you don't have one, you don't really have a chance. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (18:24):
I definitely think that's the direction in which they're going
to end up going there in Tennessee with the first overall,
pick a couple more, two more for you. Jim Harbaugh
was asked about bringing Keenan Allen back. Anything's possible, that
would be cool. What Harbaugh said, I don't know, you
see anything there, And Mike Williams already come back. You
bring back Keenan Allen as well.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
Get the band together.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Bringing a band back together, I will say this, So
you did it one way, and look they did it
without last year. Well, sometimes guys have to go away
to kind of finally remember how good they had it
at their previous destination. Mike Williams hearing him talk lovingly
about being back in the building, talking about the bolt
(19:11):
and those things, and I'm sure he's talked to his
teammates and they talked about how cool things may be
down there, the fact that they're winning. I think now
at look, Keenan Allen's accomplished a lot of individual things.
The only thing that's left to accomplish is really winning
at a high level. Maybe he is more amenable to
coming back and playing without the money being a big
part of it, and maybe the charge, like, hey, if
(19:32):
you're gonna come back at a price, this team friendly.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Why wouldn't we take it?
Speaker 1 (19:36):
You know, it helps our quarterback get better because he
already has instant chemistry with those guys, and then it's
a matter of having young guys ready to take those roles.
But to me, I think it could be a good play,
and I think Keenan Allen, to me, look, he's forever
a charge. He will probably be a better fit and
more agreeable to some of the things that have to
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take place for the team to win in LA as
opposed to other spots.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
If you're Keenan Allen, you know you you you look
at that situation that you've got Lad McConkie, who's does
a lot of his work in the slot, where Keenan
is kind of, you know, really really comfortable in there.
I was almost looking at it. If you're you know,
you get back to the West coast, for sure, that
could be an option. But I also was thinking about
Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen, where do you go to college?
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Buck? Where did he go? Ko? Then you put him
in the Bay Area.
Speaker 4 (20:23):
No, I'm saying he went to Cal was a Cal
quarterback who hadn't signed yet.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Oh oh, you think he's gonna be a buddy.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
You think, you think you think the relationship is, but
you think about he kind of compliments the two guys
in Pittsburgh. If you think about it, I mean, you've
got to get in there outside Flyers. Now you get
a real trustworthy slot. I mean, he's a He's a
better version of of you know, an Alan Lazard, who
(20:51):
someone who is someone who is someone that that Rogers
has had affinity for and love throwing to. I mean,
he does everything he does better. So I know, I
know this about you. You don't normally drop little things
without this one I got.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
I know.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
But I did wonder lab McConkie because Lab mnconkie did flourish.
And it's like Keenan is really a slot receiver. You
have some redundancy but I just like, if potentially you
could bring the gang.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Back together, I just know trusts him.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I just know if you're Keenan Allen and you
haven't had like quality quarterback play the last year, so
and you just know, I know Herbert is a stud,
you'd probably more likely be like, Man, let me go
back and play with a really good quarterback so I
can get.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Back and get my numbers and my touches. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:36):
Maybe that's maybe that's where we end up going there,
and that's what ends up happening. All Right, this has
been kind of the big topic. I don't even think
we've talked about this once. It hasn't just hasn't been
as interesting to me as it is to apparently everybody else.
But Sean McDermott, still anti Tush Push, says he has
injury concerns even though the data suggests there's no injury risk,
(21:57):
which I found to be kind of funny. This just
seems like, Look, the rest of the league is like this.
One team is really really really good at this. If
we can all band together and just eliminate it, I
think we all benefit in some way shape.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
But I think that's such a weak way to go out.
Everyone has the opportunity to be really good at the play.
Everyone can devote the time into resources to really make
the play effective for them. The Philadelphia Eagles have found
a way to make this a very potent play, and
it's a combination of how they teach it, how they
scheme it, how they are committed to it, and who
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they have executing it. I mean, DJ, if you have
one of the best offensive lines in football and probably
the strongest quarterback lower body strength and football executing a
rugby scrum, it's gonna be hard to stop it.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Everyone else has the opportunity to do the same thing.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
They have mastered the tush push, and I think all
of this other stuff is jealousy and envy and just
bitterness because they are so good at it. Now here's
the thing. We've seen some teams stop it mm hmm,
but it's hard to stop a lot because they've been really,
really good with their execution.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
I don't know, I just I think it is kind
of weak sauce. I'm with you on that.
Speaker 3 (23:10):
Of just y'all have.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
It's not like they nobody else has the opportunity to
do the exact same thing. It's just they crafted a
play that perfectly fits their personnel. But I mean, I
guess there are they is there an argument of wow,
it's just a non competitive play because they're so good
at it. I mean, like, what are we gonna do?
We're gonna ban what are we gonna outlaw fades to
Randy Moss in the red zone, like what what are
we gonna do? Like, well, we can't stop.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
That is like that doesn't I don't.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
I don't think that's right, and I don't think it
should be something where you make a change without the
data supporting.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
There's been a ton of it.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
If they've been carding guys off like the old video
game where the ambulance would come on the field and
take them off, it hasn't been there, Like so I remember.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
That they couldn't get a rid with that anymore.
Speaker 4 (23:53):
By the way, I forgot about that.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
If they're not doing that, then look, you gotta go.
You gotta figure out a way to do it. You
gotta practice against, you gotta work against, you gotta get
better at it in training camp. But it's unfair to
penalize a team that's really successful doing it for something
that they created and mastered.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I did find.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
The only thing that I found interesting about this whole
thing was the fact that Sirianni was going around to
all the former Eagles coaches that are now head coaches,
being like, yeah, you guys better vote. You guys got
your jobs because of this thing. You better vote to
keep this thing alive. Talking about you know, coach stich In,
talking about Kellen Moore, Jonathan Gannon, like, I better have
those three votes.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Well, because he only needs he only needs nine votes
to squash it. So if he gets his guys to
come through, that would help.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
Knowing Howie too, you know how he's been lobbying, Like
he's been going around trying to lobby people around the league.
But I'll be interested to see what the vote. As
we're recording this, there's no finality to it, but I
wouldn't feel great about it, just because I know how
this league operates, and if it does benefit them, they're
going to vote against it.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
That's just how competitive the league is. It is what
it is.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
Yeah, anything else you want to get into Buck, I
know you've got to run to get a meeting.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
But out of there, man, it's just so much fun
to have these opics and DJ as we get into it.
I'm really curious as we go back and start talking
about like some of these last burning questions. When it
comes to final rankings, you're putting out your last you know,
top fifty as expands, So I think you expanded all
the way out on top one hundred to one fifty,
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being able to put the finishing touches on that. Like,
I can't wait to have some of these conversations because
now it's getting real.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
Everyone's going back into the meetings.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
We're putting all the data, the medical, all the background
stuff in there with the final film evaluation. So I'm
looking forward to kind of honing in on some of
the players, some of the late rises, some of the
late faults in this draft lives.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
Yeah, it's also ghost chasing season, so that's what I'm doing,
trying to find these deen.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Down depend down.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
But depending on these guys end up going.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
So I gotta just I gotta find some guys to
round out these six and seventh rounds.
Speaker 3 (26:05):
We get some of these.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
Pop up dudes, but there are fewer this year because
I think the transfer portal eliminated that. Like, I'm not
watching nearly as many you know, Division two type guys
like normally, I've got a pretty good chunk of those
guys that have a chance.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
They should say that many.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Man, Yes, sir, the chance for a porter has forever
changed the NFL draft and has changed March Madness. It's
all chalk is all the heavyweights are going.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
It is forever change.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I never thought that it would have this much of
an impact we talked about on the NFL Draft. But man,
college basketball, like March Madness is, there's no madness, there's
just March.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
Somebody I think was Jay Wright, brought up a great
point that we've never seen this talented of a final four,
Like all these great players have all banded together, so
they're all on just a few teams. So from I'm
sure the NBA scout feel the same way we did
when we talked about the college football playoff and we
talked about the conference realignment, like we've never seen more
good on good than we're seeing now.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
You can't evaluate if you can't evaluate now seeing good
on good, great players playing against other great players with
in high stakes games.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Yeah, as a scout, that's all you want.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Are you looking for these high leverage opportunities to see
how it could translate to the next low. It's been
great in terms of that, not as fun for the
bracky guys that like that. Oh I'm gonna going to
number fourteen.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
Yeah not this year, Bud, my son, my son went
that route. Pool, got a bunch of ones, ones and
two bad ones.
Speaker 3 (27:46):
Yeah yeah, so so much.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Yeah all right, Well that's gonna do it for us today.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
I hope you guys have enjoyed it. We'll be back Thursday
with a new pod.
Speaker 4 (27:54):
I appreciate you hanging with us right here on Move
the sticks.
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