March 25, 2025 • 29 mins
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks break down what they saw from Cam Ward at the University of Miami’s Pro Day and explain why the top quarterback prospect reminds them of the late Steve McNair. DJ details which team would most benefit from trading up for Colorado WR/DB Travis Hunter. Plus, the guys take a look at which positions they expect to be at a premium in this year’s draft!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the stacks, DJ, Buck
with you Buck? What is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Man? Not too much? DJ.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
After a very eventful Miami Pro Day, which was great
because there are a lot of people that obviously had
a chance to see us kind of talk about Kim
Ward and all things to you, I had a chance to,
you know, dig a little deeper in some notes. I
had a chance to scribble some stuff for Mock Draft
Live because Mock Draft Live comes on tonight night. So yeah,
(00:34):
So just getting excited for all the things that are
all the things during the month leading up to the draft.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So I've cheated. I've given some teasers on Move the
Sticks about a mock draft that had not yet been released.
I'm not saying you need to give us a little something,
but I mean I think a little teaser.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Is let's see a little teaser.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
So two quarterbacks in the top five, three running backs
in the class in the first round.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Two of those running backs in the top ten.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Oh okay, uh huh.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Based on conversation that you and I've had maybe about
a certain team sitting at number ten, the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And then.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
A whole slew of defensive front line people going in
the first round.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Only two white House. Only had two white House in
the first round.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Okay, I'm glad you brought off the whiteout thing because
that's a topic I'm going to get to here in
just a little bit, because i want to have a
conversation about what we expect in terms of some of
the numbers at these positions in the first round. So
we'll get to that in just a minute. But right
now it's time for the lead block, presented by T
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Mobile for Business. You mentioned the cam word pro day. Buck,
(01:48):
Let's start there. I am. I will say this about
Pro Days. This I'm trying to say this without crushing Prodace.
I think it's valuable to see quarterbacks throw live. I
think there's something to that. I also think that you know,
the bar is you know, it's very low here. Let's
just get out there, let's see it come off your
hand a little bit. It wasn't the best Pro Day
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that we've seen. I mean, there's at the end of
the workout, maybe the last third of the workout. I
think there were some balls there.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Has done away with it.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
But yeah, and it was that long. It was just
really really long. It didn't necessarily be that long. But
he didn't do anything to hurt himself. I think he
came into this process is the likely favorite to be
the number one overall pick, and I thought he left
the same way.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, I mean I think I think if you are
a cam Ward fan, he showed all the things that
led to your fandom. If you are a believer that
cam Ward should be the number one overall pick, there
was nothing to happen performances that would dissuade you from
taking him number one overall. I'm gonna say this, and
I understand that I'm the descending voice because like I
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just see Shader Sanders as a as as a better
player right now than cam Ward. But here's what I'll
say about Kim when I don't want to to get
lost in the noise that is the noise of X
and social media.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Kam Ward is a phenomenal prospect.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Cam Ward has tools, talent, tenacity that I absolutely love
cam Ward.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
What he was able to do going from.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Incarnate Ward to Washington State to Miami.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
That should be celebrated.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Cam Ward taking over the U program and really putting
his leadership, his personality, all of that on the team.
I love it, and I think in the right environment,
this dude can be a star in the league because
you just don't see guys that can spend it like
he spends it. I know it comes outside arm or whatever,
but man, he is a ball. And you go through
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four years of his work, five years of his work,
there's not an Everything is impressive when it comes to it.
The thing that you want to see from him is
if he can just tighten up some of the gameplay,
like no win to like a be the gun, no win.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
To doll it back.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
That's really the only argument that I can make against
cam Ward because when you watch him play, he has
all of the traits that you look for. The only
thing that you would say is, hey, he can get
a little loose if he tightens that part up in
an environment where you give him talented playmakers and protection.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Look, man, this dude is a stud, and he's a stud.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
And that was verified on the pro day, and look
it's back by a lot of tape. From multiple schools
where he's been a dominant player from day one.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, and to me, you look at it and you
look at Tennessee and we talked about this a little
bit on the Pro day coverage and how they've built
their team. They've really tried to invest in the offensive line.
And I think a lot of people have looked at
that and have made the comment of, Yep, they're investing
in the offensive line to be able to protect you know,
a rookie quarterback of you know, first overall pick and
cam Ward. And when we dug into it and looked
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at it and looked at the strengths of those players
that they've brought in along the offensive line, those guys,
for the most part, are better in the run game
in the past. I think this is gonna be a
commitment when you've got a head coach who's the son
of an offensive line coach, this is gonna be a
commitment to Hey, we're gonna run the ball. We're gonna
take some pressure off of this young quarterback. Stop worrying
about let's protect him. No, let's take the ball to
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his hand in a little bit here, Let's be physical,
Let's run the football and ask less of him. That
seemed to be what they're doing to me.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, they are doing that.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But also think something that we talked about at length
on the show, cam Ward's quick hand transitions. Cam Ward,
as David Cutliff taught us, he has middle infield of
hands in terms of catch to.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Throw, is super quick, is blazing coming out.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And then when you put the RPO game in, we
talked about two a tongue about lower being the Las
Vegas blackjack dealer, just spin it all over well, cam
Ward has that that plays well with Tennessee's commitment to
the running game, because now your creativity extends beyond the
traditional under center run game too. Hey, we can go shoygun,
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put Tony Poltt in a sidecar position. We can run
some of these things that we've seen elite quarterbacks run
early in their careers until they were able to handle
some of the other stuff. That RPO game with cam
Ward could be phenomenal if the Tennessee Titans have a
couple of things. One the commitment to the run with
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a running back like Tony Poltt, and two, I think
that slot receiver position becomes one that is super important
because that's the guy that you running the bang slant two.
That's the guy that you run into quicks too. I
like Trey Lion Burke when he was coming out. It
has to be somebody dynamic. I would look for them
to get someone that can handle that part of it.
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If we're building it around cam Ward, you got Calvin
Rhythy on one side. I think that slot receiver, whoever
that slot receiver is, he needs to be a dynamo
because you're gonna put a lot on him to catch
a lot of passes on this RPO game that I
would think that the Tennessee Titans would feature.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think it's a great point. And his hand quickness
is exceptional and that was on display at the Pro
Day and it's littered all over his film. I was
thinking about this with him and the Titans. Tell me
if I'm missing somebody buck, But I would say, just
if we're talking talent, and we talked about how does
cam Ward stack up with previous number one overall picks
and previous quarterback classes, let's put that to the side.
Let's look at where he would stack up with the
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Tennessee Titans and their history and where they've been. Unless
I'm missing somebody. Off the top of my head. I
think he's more talented than Ryan Tannehill. I think he
has more tools. Not Ryan Tannel is a good athlete.
Obviously's a former wide receiver. It could move around and
all those things. He's got more RPMs. He's got way
more armed to me than Ryan Tannehill did. Tannehill is
a bigger guy. But I think you got to go
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back to McNair. I don't know who was a Towers
is him going back to Steve McNair, You know, I
would take Steve there with Baltimore. Steve was a great
and that was at the end of his career. Steve
was still very, very talented.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Would I would go there.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Like people to talk about Vincejon, but Vy didn't have
the passing talent that this guy has.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
This dude is a stud when it comes to throwing.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And you know, like we rarely talk about Steve McNair
when we talk about the Tennessee Titans, like we just
you know, his tragic loss in those things.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
But DJ, that's actually a.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Nice person to bring up because you were around Steve
McNair and anyone who has played against or been around
Steve McNair understands the fierce competitor he is for that organization.
Kim Ward would give you some of that, a lot
of that, But I would say in even.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
A rougher, rawer package than.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Steve Bya because McNair appeared to be a little more
refined with his leadership ability. With kim Ward, you're getting
that a level, alpha dog competitor. And when I think
about those teams in Tennessee when McNair was the focal
point man, they talked about them being the Tennessee Tyrants
and how they used to physically beat up people. To me,
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it's a return to that kind of team. If Kim
Ward is your QB one, not only what he does
as a player, but his personality certainly matches when that
franchise was at his best when they were playing bullyball
on opponents in the AFC South.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, I think that McNair was especially younger. McNair was
a better athlete than Cam, and I would say Dante
Culpepper was a better athlete than Cam. But I think
the thing that those guys, the trait that they haven't
that they share is that they're sturdy and strong. And
I know Cam's a little you know, he's a little
bit shorter, he's under six foot two, but he's so
strong kind of pulling through guys. I saw that with
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McNair even late in his career, Guys kind of just
fell off of him. He was able to get away
from people and just stand firm and then didn't need
a lot of footspace around him, had plenty of arm
to be able to drive the ball. Culpepper I played
against him in college, but I mean I saw him
all throughout his career. Same thing. He was so strong
and then you didn't need a lot of room. The
one that's the less So those are the top top end, right,
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I would say, in that same style, that same family
of sturdy quarterbacks. I think of a guy you're gonna
be familiar with, and that's David Garrard, who you know
this Skins run and was Again, I just think if
Garar was a real strong, sturdy guy.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
And it's an underrated skill in the pocket DJ, because
one of the things about playing quarterback you obviously know
having played it, DJ, can you stand in there and
with stand I would say, the little bumps and bruises
that can throw you off and still deliver on time.
The thing about Can that shows up on tape not
only his ability to throw from variety of platforms right,
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but within the pocket, throwing around the traffic and the
chaos getting the ball out while also having people draped
on it. You talked about their contact balance and being
firmly planted in the ground. There is something to that
that can be an underrated skill or trait that we
evaluate when we're kind of going through this process of
looking at quarterbacks. And while some guys make it and
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why some guys don't, Sometimes it's just as simple as
being strong and sturdy enough to maintain your balance and
body control in the mixt of chaos.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah. No, I don't think it's talked about enough. And
I think that you live in a world where especially
the ball's coming out quick, but teams on you know,
in terms of evaluating edgdreshers and drafting edge wreshers, crushing
the pocket has become the focus. It's too long to
get up the field and win teams are trying to
get through you. So you're playing in a restricted environment,
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So how do you perform within that restricted environment? I
think there's something to that.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So I heard this conversation, and I'll send a shout
out to a podcast Glue Guys. Alex Smith was talking
to Jared Goff and they were talking about all the
transition things that you have to get used to going
from college to the pros, and one of the things
they talked about was the chaos within the pocket, how
noisy the pocket is with all the clutter and the
bodies and the six six three hundred pounders that are
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in your face, and how you have to be able
to be calm and cool within that while also dealing
with getting bumped around and you're not going to be
able to make every perfect throw where you can fully
step into it.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Do you have enough arm strength or balance to still.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Make i would say strikes while kind of being knocked
around it at is one of the things that we
certainly don't talk about when we're talking about evaluating the quarterback,
how they handle the storm. You know, when you're into
I have the storm, how do you handle it? Does
it swallow you up? Or do you have a way
of navigating through and still making accurate throws?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
No, I think it's a very important point. That's again
part of the discussion there with cam Ward that's a
wrap for the lead block presented by T Mobile for Business.
Football needs a network willing to go the extra yard.
So do you go further with T Mobile for Business?
All right, Buck, we take a quick break here and
come back. I got a Travis Hunter idea I float
around on the internet and I want to see what
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you think about.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It right after this?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
All right, Buck? So here here's my tweet. I'll make
sure that I read it correctly. Here this is in people.
I actually got a text message from a friend saying,
you know anything here, and I said, no, this is
there's absolutely no basis, no information. I'm not trying to
be tricky here and get something out there. But here
is my tell me if you agree with this. I
missed the days when the Dallas Cowboys were aggressive and fun.
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Spice it up, trade up for Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Wouldn't that be just what that franchise needed? And it's
a bold move And people will say, oh, well, you
know how much you're gonna give up and what's going
to cost. I'm just telling you, this team, even though
they had those three years of winning twelve games, there's nothing.
There's no spark with this team right now. Let's get
let's get some excitement, some juice, you go get aggressive.
You go up and bring the first two way player
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that we've seen in the NFL, and you throw him
in there and you let that work with him on
offense with Ceedee Lamb, and then you let him play
a little bit on the defensive side of the ball.
However you want to divvy up the time there, but
he can at least do a little bit on the
other side of the ball wherever you want to major him.
But man, it just feels like that was the nineties. Cowboys,
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go get champs, heey, go get Dion Sanders, like whatever
we got to do, make it happen, even when they
you know, you know, swinging for Joey Galloway and trade
multiple picks, Like there's got to be a fun factor
at some point time. What's the point to own the
team if you don't want to have some fun, Man.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Just go for it.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Just just try it. If it doesn't work, you're what's
the what's the harm you have minute to a championship
game in a billion years? Just you know what's the risk?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Go for it. DJ.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I'll say this, you can never have too many good players.
And you can never have too many star players, guys
that can tilt the field in your favor. Travis Hunter
is one of those guys who's an absolute star. He's
a guy who can do it on either side of
the ball. And we can talk about the look, the
raw nature, maybe his game on offense, or maybe some
of the lack of technical skills on defense, but what
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I do know is he is a play maker in
every aspect.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Whenever he's on the field, good things happen.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
For the Dallas Cowboys, a team that I would say
this they're less talented right now than they were last year.
This is a team that over a two year period,
we've seen a lot of really good players walk out
the door, haven't seen many guys walk in the door.
This is a team that, if you're Brian Schottenheimer, you're
trying to figure out how to kind of bring I
wouldn't even say the glitz and glam back, but the
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wins back. Man, you need guys that can single handedly
flip it. Travis Hunter is one of those guys right now.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
DJ.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
When I look at their team, I see Michael Parsons
as someone that can do that.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I see CD Lamb who else.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I mean, So for a team that is always relied
on star power, to remember the Big Three, the Triplets
came from Watson to Dallas Cowboys, they.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Need star power. It is something that they're lacking.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, making it a very aggressive move for a Travis
Hunter would give them a start and would kind of
make them more like the teams that we're used to seeing,
and we're not used to seeing blue collar teams in Dallas.
The only way for the Cowboy is to win. Now
they have to morph into a blue collar team. I
don't know if that's what they're really built on.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I just I don't know. Look, I look at the
Philadelphia Eagles with and I'll go Saquon Barkley, And obviously
we know what Jalen Hurts is there and how great
he played down the stretching in the Super Bowl. But
like that team runs through Saquon Barkley, who's got He's
a great He's an unbelievable player. But there's a star
quality there. The Washington Commanders with Jayden Daniels, there is
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a star quality there, Like that is a difference making dude,
and you saw how quickly that transformed their their team.
Now the Giants ended up moving off of one with
Saquon Barkley. They're trying to find them. They got. Melik
Neighbors is dynamic. I mean, he's got a chance. Talent wise,
you could say Melik Neighbors could end up being the
best receiver in the league. He's got that type of
juice and talent. Now you look at the Dallas Cowboys
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and yeah, you know Micah Parsons on the defensive side
of the ball, Yes, you know, he's he's an elite player.
Seedee Lambs is up there as a top five wide receiver. Man.
You would add so much juice and you could deploy
it in so many different ways with Travis Hunter, and
it would just make them an exciting but it's an
exciting brand of football. And to have that type of talent.
You think about the value if you add up you
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know the value he could give you. If he's playing
at least a chunk on both sides of the ball
on a rookie deal, buck like, he would be the
most valuable in terms of like financially valuable player in
the NFL. If that were the.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Case, it would be the case he would be so
valuable to them in so many different ways to be
able to use him. And let's just think about this
from a nostalgic standpoint, right. We saw his coach, coach
Prime do it in Dallas where he was a two
way starter for the Cowboys on a Super Bowl team,
started at wide receiver and cornerback for those Cowboys teams
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and was able to do it at a very high level.
Travis Hunter, who Dion by his on and mission, has
said he was a better player as a two way
player than he's ever been.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Why not bring it back?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I mean, why not give him an opportunity to be
that star player to move up and do it. Yeah,
you have some glaring holes like yeah, you need a
guard to replace Zach Martin and those things, but you
can find that you don't have enough star power. And
as I'm looking at your competitors in the division, we've
always talked about been brought up into business to build
your team to win the division.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I know this.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
You're not gonna win seventeen fourteen games against the Washington
Commanders in the Philadelphiaans. No, you have to find a
way to put points on the board. If you can't
put points on the board, you have no shot against
those teams. The Cowboys have to look at how they're
generating points on the offense to be able to stay
in these games with their opponents, and.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
People ask, well, how the heck you know who's going
to trade out? Who you know who's going to make
that move. Well, we've talked about the New England Patriots
as a team that has many holes on offense and
is enticing and intriguing as it would be. And I look,
I would personally, I would probably just sit and pick
and take Travis Hunter. No, and I've got offensive line needs,
but man, you know, we're just try and we've got
to survive Drake. But they could be they could be
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of And some people would say of the more sound philosophy,
which is we're going to build big first, so we
need we need an offensive tackle, we don't necessarily want
to take one at four. We don't feel like the
values there. We're comfortable with Will Campbell, we're comfortable with Membu.
If we can go back to the Cowboys at twelve,
we feel good we're going to get one of those
two guys. And maybe it even is a go back
with a chance to move up a little bit to
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secure one of those tackles, but you're getting to tackle
plus other picks and maybe a future one. You know,
you can make a case that New England would be
would be willing to do that. So, look, it's a
bold move. I'm not saying it's without some risk there.
I just feel like the Dallas Cowboys have gotten stale.
It's just like a bland piece of you know, White coast. Like,
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let's just let's do something to try and get some
flavor back in this organization, get get your fan base excited.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Man, that would be a very exciting move. There was
certainly a view one that would put them on the map. Look, man,
it's something to consider. We need the Cowboys and look,
not that they ever kind of fall out of the
national squat light or the radar, but it's not as
much buzz about the Cowboys as we used to seeing.
(20:04):
That would certainly be a buzzy move to kind of
re uh maybe generate some interest in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, no, absolutely, all right. Last thing we're gonna do
on here today is I've got I had Jack pull
these numbers. Does it for me? Every year of the
average number of players drafted a positions? So I want
to rip through some of these quick and you tell
me if you think we're gonna be on the high
end of the low end of that. Right. So if
we look at quarterbacks over the last five NFL drafts,
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we've averaged three point eight quarterbacks in the first round.
So let's we'll round up in this exercise. So four
first round quarterbacks, yes or no?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
No, I'm gonna seek we get.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I think we get three. I think we get three.
Running back wise, the average has been one in the
first round.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I'm gonna take the i'ma take the over on that.
I think we two at a minimum maybe three.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yep, I'm gonna I'm with you on that one. All right,
here we go wide receivers. How about this number? Five
point six we've averaged going in the first round over
five receivers going in the first round on average.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Wow, I'm taking the under and that man. Look, did
you do some scenarios where I think maybe only one
goes in the first round?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Like I think that's crazy, Yeah, I did. This year
is definitely not the year for the wide out.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, I would say we get I will say we
get three, two to three. Uh tight ends point six?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
So I mean we're getting two, we're getting over, Yeah, getting.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Too offensive tackles the offensive line making get kind of tricky.
But that's five point six, I don't, I don't know.
I don't know if I see six.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I guess it depends because I feel like there's so
many guys that are multi positional guy. So for instance,
it's Able from North Dakota State. He's a tackle, a
center guy like so that's so that's where it gets
tricky for me. But in terms of pure offensive tackles,
we don't project.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think we go above that number.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I got five, so Will Campbell, Armand Membu, Calvin Banks,
Josh Simmons, Josh Connory.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I think he's the one.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
He's the last, he's the last one to potentially get in.
So yeah, that's five.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, so that would give you, that would give you five,
all right, The interior offensive lineman, if you combine the
guards and centers, would be one point four. So saying
two the interior offensive lineman, I have Booker and Zabel
and then Donovan Jackson could be three.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah. I think that. Yeah. So I think I think
we're in the I think we're in the money.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
On that one two to three, uh DT's is going
to be over there's two on average. Yeah, that is
the only two.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You know. Here's what I think is crazy. And we
do this and we see this happen on time.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I think early in the process, we always kind of
overrate the run stoppers, the nose tackles, and they tend
to go in the second round.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
This year, DJ, we have some to your pass rushes.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
With quickness wiggle first and I say, I.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Say, way over buck. But then I'm going through it
and I'm like, oh, well, I could see some of
these guys, we see the tackles to your point slide
to the second round on some on some of these yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Like so so like you guys, like like a Kenneth Grant,
who's more of a run player than a man, do
you wait top of the second and say, maybe that's
more his landing spot as opposed to the bottom of
the first with some other things. Man, that might be
a push. We might right it too. It might be
a push because we got Walton, Walton, Nolan and whoever
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else you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Like you guys, I've got Mason Green and Graham Walter
Nolan and Walter Nolan, I don't think is a lock.
He's my thirty second player. I have Harmon in there,
so I think Harmon. I think Graham and Harmon. I'd
feel good about that's two. And then you start getting
to Grant Walter Nolan, like, now I think those are maybes.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And and there's this row right at the bottom of
the first Now with teams that could the way they
put a trigger. So when you think about Buffalo, Baltimore,
Kansas City, like, they're three teams that have a need
or ow pressing varies, but there's a need where you
can plug them in to that spot.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
You had to be interesting to see what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Defensive ends and linebackers are two different things here, so
and the linebackers that ends up getting udy because some
of those guys are edgresher, some of them are off
the ball. So I usually try and combine that and say,
between defensive ends and linebackers, So Jihad Campbell could go
over that pile, it would be six point eight if
you add those.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
So I'm confident I think we surprised.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, the too many guys, the too many guys that
can get after the passer.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, I mean I'm Abdul Carter, Jalen Walker, mikel Williams,
Mike Green, James Pierce, Shamar Stewart, Donovan Zaruku and then
that's not even counting Jihad campbell A as a linebacker.
I mean I think we I think we get on
the north side of that number. Pass uh and then
two more here corners. Four point four is the average
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for the corners going in the first round. So if
I give you the names, at least as I as
I have them, I've got Baron will Johnson, Max Harrison,
Trey Amos, and then it gets to Azaria, Thomas, Ben Morrison.
I think Baron Johnson feel those are only two would
actually have in my top thirty two, so we might
maybe I think Trey Amos has a shot and Harrison
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has a shot. I think those are the four guys
who have a chance to go in the first round.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I only feel good about. I only feel good about
two of those that can only be lock in.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Don't you think we go?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, I only feel good about I feel about Baron
and Johnson. Those are the only two that I feel
good about. Okay, they're gonna hear their they're gonna hear
their name.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Called the other guys. I think it's tricky.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Twenty five to forty is normally where those that run
onners goes at some point. And I know, like we
got really excited about Harrison after the Common We got
excited about some of these guys after we saw them
run and move around.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But then when.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Reality hits and you look at you know, supplying demand
man Biggs typically dwarf Little's when it comes to first round,
Hey let me get the big early. I can come
back and get someone that's comparable on the perimeter. I
feel like that is going to be the debate in
the conversation and a bunch of rooms.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, and the last one, safety is point six. So
I haven't even averaged a safety in the first round.
I mean we're gonna get I feel good. Well here's
the thing though, Safety another position that a lot of
times you see the Brian Branches and like some of
these other guys, you know that the McKinney I think
went in the second round, like the guys that you
thought for sure we're going to be first round picks.
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It doesn't always necessarily go that way.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
No, I don't feel like the only one I feel
good about is I mean your war Worry Man, Yeah,
even Worry. He's the only one that I feel good about. Okay,
I'm confident he's malicat stars that I think is a baller.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I feel like we're gonna have the conversation about him
that we have about Brian Branch. We knew he was
a good player based on tape, but for whatever reason,
we couldn't take him in the first. So you get
him in the second and you watch him playing like
Man in the first round player. Yeah, yeah, very similar.
I think it starts as that.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, And I'm going to do some more work on
Xavier Watts too. I did not have him in that range,
but man, a lot of teams really love him. So
I'm gonna the only thing, the only.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Thing that I'll say about him is man seball, get ball.
He's always around it. The ball kind of finds it.
He's kind of rock solid when it comes to it.
But I still see him as a as a second
round I don't see him as a first round player.
Now we come from the scouting thing where second round
means like, look, he's a starter, you know, he's a starter.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
He starts. Maybe from day one, I see him as
a really.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Smart player, high IQ player that can make plays in
the middle of the field, can tackle in all those things.
I can't say that I see special. I see you're
really really good football player.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah no, And that's see where those get as go.
So that's a fun little exercise there. We'll at a
later episode. I'll kind of give you the numbers on
the second third round. So the Day two guys, the
numbers that we normally see there spoiler alert. Day two
was the linebacker day and the wide receiver day, second
third round. Just one little nugget there. We see ten apiece,
ten receivers, ten linebackers go in the second third rounds.
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That is a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
That is a lot, But to me it makes sense
because that's where the track meet. You normally see wide receivers, dbs.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
All those guys, the fast guys go.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
You don't want to pay a premium first round talent,
but you think you can find one a comparable mate
in the second and third round.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
That's why Day two is full of those guys.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yep, eight point four corners to your point in the
second day. So all right, this has been a fun,
one buck, anything else you want to add before we
get out of here.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
No, man, Look we're almost a month. A month away
from the draft.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Or inside a month. Yeah, how quickly it comes.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
And all the conversations that we'll start having about, you know,
trying to get the guys in the right house, get
him in the neighborhood, and as time getting in the house.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
That's what I'm doing. You see my little cards here,
These are my.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Little little thoughts. I gotta kind of store out here.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
That's my projects for the next couple of days. All right,
this has been a fun one. I appreciate you guys
hanging with us. We'll see you next time. Right here,
I move the sticks
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the stacks, DJ, Buck
with you Buck? What is going on?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Man? Not too much? DJ.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
After a very eventful Miami Pro Day, which was great
because there are a lot of people that obviously had
a chance to see us kind of talk about Kim
Ward and all things to you, I had a chance to,
you know, dig a little deeper in some notes. I
had a chance to scribble some stuff for Mock Draft
Live because Mock Draft Live comes on tonight night. So yeah,
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So just getting excited for all the things that are
all the things during the month leading up to the draft.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
So I've cheated. I've given some teasers on Move the
Sticks about a mock draft that had not yet been released.
I'm not saying you need to give us a little something,
but I mean I think a little teaser.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Is let's see a little teaser.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
So two quarterbacks in the top five, three running backs
in the class in the first round.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Two of those running backs in the top ten.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Oh okay, uh huh.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Based on conversation that you and I've had maybe about
a certain team sitting at number ten, the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
And then.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
A whole slew of defensive front line people going in
the first round.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Only two white House. Only had two white House in
the first round.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
Okay, I'm glad you brought off the whiteout thing because
that's a topic I'm going to get to here in
just a little bit, because i want to have a
conversation about what we expect in terms of some of
the numbers at these positions in the first round. So
we'll get to that in just a minute. But right
now it's time for the lead block, presented by T
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Mobile for Business. You mentioned the cam word pro day. Buck,
(01:48):
Let's start there. I am. I will say this about
Pro Days. This I'm trying to say this without crushing Prodace.
I think it's valuable to see quarterbacks throw live. I
think there's something to that. I also think that you know,
the bar is you know, it's very low here. Let's
just get out there, let's see it come off your
hand a little bit. It wasn't the best Pro Day
(02:10):
that we've seen. I mean, there's at the end of
the workout, maybe the last third of the workout. I
think there were some balls there.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Has done away with it.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
But yeah, and it was that long. It was just
really really long. It didn't necessarily be that long. But
he didn't do anything to hurt himself. I think he
came into this process is the likely favorite to be
the number one overall pick, and I thought he left
the same way.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
Yeah, I mean I think I think if you are
a cam Ward fan, he showed all the things that
led to your fandom. If you are a believer that
cam Ward should be the number one overall pick, there
was nothing to happen performances that would dissuade you from
taking him number one overall. I'm gonna say this, and
I understand that I'm the descending voice because like I
(02:53):
just see Shader Sanders as a as as a better
player right now than cam Ward. But here's what I'll
say about Kim when I don't want to to get
lost in the noise that is the noise of X
and social media.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Kam Ward is a phenomenal prospect.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Cam Ward has tools, talent, tenacity that I absolutely love
cam Ward.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
What he was able to do going from.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Incarnate Ward to Washington State to Miami.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
That should be celebrated.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Cam Ward taking over the U program and really putting
his leadership, his personality, all of that on the team.
I love it, and I think in the right environment,
this dude can be a star in the league because
you just don't see guys that can spend it like
he spends it. I know it comes outside arm or whatever,
but man, he is a ball. And you go through
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four years of his work, five years of his work,
there's not an Everything is impressive when it comes to it.
The thing that you want to see from him is
if he can just tighten up some of the gameplay,
like no win to like a be the gun, no win.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
To doll it back.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
That's really the only argument that I can make against
cam Ward because when you watch him play, he has
all of the traits that you look for. The only
thing that you would say is, hey, he can get
a little loose if he tightens that part up in
an environment where you give him talented playmakers and protection.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
Look, man, this dude is a stud, and he's a stud.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
And that was verified on the pro day, and look
it's back by a lot of tape. From multiple schools
where he's been a dominant player from day one.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Yeah, and to me, you look at it and you
look at Tennessee and we talked about this a little
bit on the Pro day coverage and how they've built
their team. They've really tried to invest in the offensive line.
And I think a lot of people have looked at
that and have made the comment of, Yep, they're investing
in the offensive line to be able to protect you know,
a rookie quarterback of you know, first overall pick and
cam Ward. And when we dug into it and looked
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at it and looked at the strengths of those players
that they've brought in along the offensive line, those guys,
for the most part, are better in the run game
in the past. I think this is gonna be a
commitment when you've got a head coach who's the son
of an offensive line coach, this is gonna be a
commitment to Hey, we're gonna run the ball. We're gonna
take some pressure off of this young quarterback. Stop worrying
about let's protect him. No, let's take the ball to
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his hand in a little bit here, Let's be physical,
Let's run the football and ask less of him. That
seemed to be what they're doing to me.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah, they are doing that.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
But also think something that we talked about at length
on the show, cam Ward's quick hand transitions. Cam Ward,
as David Cutliff taught us, he has middle infield of
hands in terms of catch to.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Throw, is super quick, is blazing coming out.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
And then when you put the RPO game in, we
talked about two a tongue about lower being the Las
Vegas blackjack dealer, just spin it all over well, cam
Ward has that that plays well with Tennessee's commitment to
the running game, because now your creativity extends beyond the
traditional under center run game too. Hey, we can go shoygun,
(06:00):
put Tony Poltt in a sidecar position. We can run
some of these things that we've seen elite quarterbacks run
early in their careers until they were able to handle
some of the other stuff. That RPO game with cam
Ward could be phenomenal if the Tennessee Titans have a
couple of things. One the commitment to the run with
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a running back like Tony Poltt, and two, I think
that slot receiver position becomes one that is super important
because that's the guy that you running the bang slant two.
That's the guy that you run into quicks too. I
like Trey Lion Burke when he was coming out. It
has to be somebody dynamic. I would look for them
to get someone that can handle that part of it.
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If we're building it around cam Ward, you got Calvin
Rhythy on one side. I think that slot receiver, whoever
that slot receiver is, he needs to be a dynamo
because you're gonna put a lot on him to catch
a lot of passes on this RPO game that I
would think that the Tennessee Titans would feature.
Speaker 2 (06:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
I think it's a great point. And his hand quickness
is exceptional and that was on display at the Pro
Day and it's littered all over his film. I was
thinking about this with him and the Titans. Tell me
if I'm missing somebody buck, But I would say, just
if we're talking talent, and we talked about how does
cam Ward stack up with previous number one overall picks
and previous quarterback classes, let's put that to the side.
Let's look at where he would stack up with the
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Tennessee Titans and their history and where they've been. Unless
I'm missing somebody. Off the top of my head. I
think he's more talented than Ryan Tannehill. I think he
has more tools. Not Ryan Tannel is a good athlete.
Obviously's a former wide receiver. It could move around and
all those things. He's got more RPMs. He's got way
more armed to me than Ryan Tannehill did. Tannehill is
a bigger guy. But I think you got to go
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back to McNair. I don't know who was a Towers
is him going back to Steve McNair, You know, I
would take Steve there with Baltimore. Steve was a great
and that was at the end of his career. Steve
was still very, very talented.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
Would I would go there.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
Like people to talk about Vincejon, but Vy didn't have
the passing talent that this guy has.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
This dude is a stud when it comes to throwing.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
And you know, like we rarely talk about Steve McNair
when we talk about the Tennessee Titans, like we just
you know, his tragic loss in those things.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
But DJ, that's actually a.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
Nice person to bring up because you were around Steve
McNair and anyone who has played against or been around
Steve McNair understands the fierce competitor he is for that organization.
Kim Ward would give you some of that, a lot
of that, But I would say in even.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
A rougher, rawer package than.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Steve Bya because McNair appeared to be a little more
refined with his leadership ability. With kim Ward, you're getting
that a level, alpha dog competitor. And when I think
about those teams in Tennessee when McNair was the focal
point man, they talked about them being the Tennessee Tyrants
and how they used to physically beat up people. To me,
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it's a return to that kind of team. If Kim
Ward is your QB one, not only what he does
as a player, but his personality certainly matches when that
franchise was at his best when they were playing bullyball
on opponents in the AFC South.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Yeah, I think that McNair was especially younger. McNair was
a better athlete than Cam, and I would say Dante
Culpepper was a better athlete than Cam. But I think
the thing that those guys, the trait that they haven't
that they share is that they're sturdy and strong. And
I know Cam's a little you know, he's a little
bit shorter, he's under six foot two, but he's so
strong kind of pulling through guys. I saw that with
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McNair even late in his career, Guys kind of just
fell off of him. He was able to get away
from people and just stand firm and then didn't need
a lot of footspace around him, had plenty of arm
to be able to drive the ball. Culpepper I played
against him in college, but I mean I saw him
all throughout his career. Same thing. He was so strong
and then you didn't need a lot of room. The
one that's the less So those are the top top end, right,
(09:52):
I would say, in that same style, that same family
of sturdy quarterbacks. I think of a guy you're gonna
be familiar with, and that's David Garrard, who you know
this Skins run and was Again, I just think if
Garar was a real strong, sturdy guy.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
And it's an underrated skill in the pocket DJ, because
one of the things about playing quarterback you obviously know
having played it, DJ, can you stand in there and
with stand I would say, the little bumps and bruises
that can throw you off and still deliver on time.
The thing about Can that shows up on tape not
only his ability to throw from variety of platforms right,
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but within the pocket, throwing around the traffic and the
chaos getting the ball out while also having people draped
on it. You talked about their contact balance and being
firmly planted in the ground. There is something to that
that can be an underrated skill or trait that we
evaluate when we're kind of going through this process of
looking at quarterbacks. And while some guys make it and
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why some guys don't, Sometimes it's just as simple as
being strong and sturdy enough to maintain your balance and
body control in the mixt of chaos.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
Yeah. No, I don't think it's talked about enough. And
I think that you live in a world where especially
the ball's coming out quick, but teams on you know,
in terms of evaluating edgdreshers and drafting edge wreshers, crushing
the pocket has become the focus. It's too long to
get up the field and win teams are trying to
get through you. So you're playing in a restricted environment,
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So how do you perform within that restricted environment? I
think there's something to that.
Speaker 3 (11:22):
So I heard this conversation, and I'll send a shout
out to a podcast Glue Guys. Alex Smith was talking
to Jared Goff and they were talking about all the
transition things that you have to get used to going
from college to the pros, and one of the things
they talked about was the chaos within the pocket, how
noisy the pocket is with all the clutter and the
bodies and the six six three hundred pounders that are
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in your face, and how you have to be able
to be calm and cool within that while also dealing
with getting bumped around and you're not going to be
able to make every perfect throw where you can fully
step into it.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
Do you have enough arm strength or balance to still.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Make i would say strikes while kind of being knocked
around it at is one of the things that we
certainly don't talk about when we're talking about evaluating the quarterback,
how they handle the storm. You know, when you're into
I have the storm, how do you handle it? Does
it swallow you up? Or do you have a way
of navigating through and still making accurate throws?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:20):
No, I think it's a very important point. That's again
part of the discussion there with cam Ward that's a
wrap for the lead block presented by T Mobile for Business.
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All right, Buck, we take a quick break here and
come back. I got a Travis Hunter idea I float
around on the internet and I want to see what
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you think about.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It right after this?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
All right, Buck? So here here's my tweet. I'll make
sure that I read it correctly. Here this is in people.
I actually got a text message from a friend saying,
you know anything here, and I said, no, this is
there's absolutely no basis, no information. I'm not trying to
be tricky here and get something out there. But here
is my tell me if you agree with this. I
missed the days when the Dallas Cowboys were aggressive and fun.
(13:12):
Spice it up, trade up for Travis Hunter.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Cool.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Wouldn't that be just what that franchise needed? And it's
a bold move And people will say, oh, well, you
know how much you're gonna give up and what's going
to cost. I'm just telling you, this team, even though
they had those three years of winning twelve games, there's nothing.
There's no spark with this team right now. Let's get
let's get some excitement, some juice, you go get aggressive.
You go up and bring the first two way player
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that we've seen in the NFL, and you throw him
in there and you let that work with him on
offense with Ceedee Lamb, and then you let him play
a little bit on the defensive side of the ball.
However you want to divvy up the time there, but
he can at least do a little bit on the
other side of the ball wherever you want to major him.
But man, it just feels like that was the nineties. Cowboys,
(14:00):
go get champs, heey, go get Dion Sanders, like whatever
we got to do, make it happen, even when they
you know, you know, swinging for Joey Galloway and trade
multiple picks, Like there's got to be a fun factor
at some point time. What's the point to own the
team if you don't want to have some fun, Man.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Just go for it.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Just just try it. If it doesn't work, you're what's
the what's the harm you have minute to a championship
game in a billion years? Just you know what's the risk?
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Go for it. DJ.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
I'll say this, you can never have too many good players.
And you can never have too many star players, guys
that can tilt the field in your favor. Travis Hunter
is one of those guys who's an absolute star. He's
a guy who can do it on either side of
the ball. And we can talk about the look, the
raw nature, maybe his game on offense, or maybe some
of the lack of technical skills on defense, but what
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I do know is he is a play maker in
every aspect.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Whenever he's on the field, good things happen.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
For the Dallas Cowboys, a team that I would say
this they're less talented right now than they were last year.
This is a team that over a two year period,
we've seen a lot of really good players walk out
the door, haven't seen many guys walk in the door.
This is a team that, if you're Brian Schottenheimer, you're
trying to figure out how to kind of bring I
wouldn't even say the glitz and glam back, but the
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wins back. Man, you need guys that can single handedly
flip it. Travis Hunter is one of those guys right now.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
DJ.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
When I look at their team, I see Michael Parsons
as someone that can do that.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I see CD Lamb who else.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
I mean, So for a team that is always relied
on star power, to remember the Big Three, the Triplets
came from Watson to Dallas Cowboys, they.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Need star power. It is something that they're lacking.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yeah, making it a very aggressive move for a Travis
Hunter would give them a start and would kind of
make them more like the teams that we're used to seeing,
and we're not used to seeing blue collar teams in Dallas.
The only way for the Cowboy is to win. Now
they have to morph into a blue collar team. I
don't know if that's what they're really built on.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I just I don't know. Look, I look at the
Philadelphia Eagles with and I'll go Saquon Barkley, And obviously
we know what Jalen Hurts is there and how great
he played down the stretching in the Super Bowl. But
like that team runs through Saquon Barkley, who's got He's
a great He's an unbelievable player. But there's a star
quality there. The Washington Commanders with Jayden Daniels, there is
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a star quality there, Like that is a difference making dude,
and you saw how quickly that transformed their their team.
Now the Giants ended up moving off of one with
Saquon Barkley. They're trying to find them. They got. Melik
Neighbors is dynamic. I mean, he's got a chance. Talent wise,
you could say Melik Neighbors could end up being the
best receiver in the league. He's got that type of
juice and talent. Now you look at the Dallas Cowboys
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and yeah, you know Micah Parsons on the defensive side
of the ball, Yes, you know, he's he's an elite player.
Seedee Lambs is up there as a top five wide receiver. Man.
You would add so much juice and you could deploy
it in so many different ways with Travis Hunter, and
it would just make them an exciting but it's an
exciting brand of football. And to have that type of talent.
You think about the value if you add up you
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know the value he could give you. If he's playing
at least a chunk on both sides of the ball
on a rookie deal, buck like, he would be the
most valuable in terms of like financially valuable player in
the NFL. If that were the.
Speaker 3 (17:25):
Case, it would be the case he would be so
valuable to them in so many different ways to be
able to use him. And let's just think about this
from a nostalgic standpoint, right. We saw his coach, coach
Prime do it in Dallas where he was a two
way starter for the Cowboys on a Super Bowl team,
started at wide receiver and cornerback for those Cowboys teams
(17:47):
and was able to do it at a very high level.
Travis Hunter, who Dion by his on and mission, has
said he was a better player as a two way
player than he's ever been.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Why not bring it back?
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I mean, why not give him an opportunity to be
that star player to move up and do it. Yeah,
you have some glaring holes like yeah, you need a
guard to replace Zach Martin and those things, but you
can find that you don't have enough star power. And
as I'm looking at your competitors in the division, we've
always talked about been brought up into business to build
your team to win the division.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
I know this.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
You're not gonna win seventeen fourteen games against the Washington
Commanders in the Philadelphiaans. No, you have to find a
way to put points on the board. If you can't
put points on the board, you have no shot against
those teams. The Cowboys have to look at how they're
generating points on the offense to be able to stay
in these games with their opponents, and.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
People ask, well, how the heck you know who's going
to trade out? Who you know who's going to make
that move. Well, we've talked about the New England Patriots
as a team that has many holes on offense and
is enticing and intriguing as it would be. And I look,
I would personally, I would probably just sit and pick
and take Travis Hunter. No, and I've got offensive line needs,
but man, you know, we're just try and we've got
to survive Drake. But they could be they could be
(18:55):
of And some people would say of the more sound philosophy,
which is we're going to build big first, so we
need we need an offensive tackle, we don't necessarily want
to take one at four. We don't feel like the
values there. We're comfortable with Will Campbell, we're comfortable with Membu.
If we can go back to the Cowboys at twelve,
we feel good we're going to get one of those
two guys. And maybe it even is a go back
with a chance to move up a little bit to
(19:17):
secure one of those tackles, but you're getting to tackle
plus other picks and maybe a future one. You know,
you can make a case that New England would be
would be willing to do that. So, look, it's a
bold move. I'm not saying it's without some risk there.
I just feel like the Dallas Cowboys have gotten stale.
It's just like a bland piece of you know, White coast. Like,
(19:38):
let's just let's do something to try and get some
flavor back in this organization, get get your fan base excited.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
Man, that would be a very exciting move. There was
certainly a view one that would put them on the map. Look, man,
it's something to consider. We need the Cowboys and look,
not that they ever kind of fall out of the
national squat light or the radar, but it's not as
much buzz about the Cowboys as we used to seeing.
(20:04):
That would certainly be a buzzy move to kind of
re uh maybe generate some interest in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
Yeah, no, absolutely, all right. Last thing we're gonna do
on here today is I've got I had Jack pull
these numbers. Does it for me? Every year of the
average number of players drafted a positions? So I want
to rip through some of these quick and you tell
me if you think we're gonna be on the high
end of the low end of that. Right. So if
we look at quarterbacks over the last five NFL drafts,
(20:33):
we've averaged three point eight quarterbacks in the first round.
So let's we'll round up in this exercise. So four
first round quarterbacks, yes or no?
Speaker 2 (20:45):
No, I'm gonna seek we get.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I think we get three. I think we get three.
Running back wise, the average has been one in the
first round.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I'm gonna take the i'ma take the over on that.
I think we two at a minimum maybe three.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yep, I'm gonna I'm with you on that one. All right,
here we go wide receivers. How about this number? Five
point six we've averaged going in the first round over
five receivers going in the first round on average.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Wow, I'm taking the under and that man. Look, did
you do some scenarios where I think maybe only one
goes in the first round?
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (21:18):
Like I think that's crazy, Yeah, I did. This year
is definitely not the year for the wide out.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, I would say we get I will say we
get three, two to three. Uh tight ends point six?
Speaker 2 (21:29):
So I mean we're getting two, we're getting over, Yeah, getting.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Too offensive tackles the offensive line making get kind of tricky.
But that's five point six, I don't, I don't know.
I don't know if I see six.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
I guess it depends because I feel like there's so
many guys that are multi positional guy. So for instance,
it's Able from North Dakota State. He's a tackle, a
center guy like so that's so that's where it gets
tricky for me. But in terms of pure offensive tackles,
we don't project.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
Yeah, I don't. I don't think we go above that number.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
I got five, so Will Campbell, Armand Membu, Calvin Banks,
Josh Simmons, Josh Connory.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
I think he's the one.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
He's the last, he's the last one to potentially get in.
So yeah, that's five.
Speaker 1 (22:16):
Yeah, so that would give you, that would give you five,
all right, The interior offensive lineman, if you combine the
guards and centers, would be one point four. So saying
two the interior offensive lineman, I have Booker and Zabel
and then Donovan Jackson could be three.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
Yeah. I think that. Yeah. So I think I think
we're in the I think we're in the money.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
On that one two to three, uh DT's is going
to be over there's two on average. Yeah, that is
the only two.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
You know. Here's what I think is crazy. And we
do this and we see this happen on time.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I think early in the process, we always kind of
overrate the run stoppers, the nose tackles, and they tend
to go in the second round.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
This year, DJ, we have some to your pass rushes.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
With quickness wiggle first and I say, I.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Say, way over buck. But then I'm going through it
and I'm like, oh, well, I could see some of
these guys, we see the tackles to your point slide
to the second round on some on some of these yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
Like so so like you guys, like like a Kenneth Grant,
who's more of a run player than a man, do
you wait top of the second and say, maybe that's
more his landing spot as opposed to the bottom of
the first with some other things. Man, that might be
a push. We might right it too. It might be
a push because we got Walton, Walton, Nolan and whoever
(23:37):
else you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
Like you guys, I've got Mason Green and Graham Walter
Nolan and Walter Nolan, I don't think is a lock.
He's my thirty second player. I have Harmon in there,
so I think Harmon. I think Graham and Harmon. I'd
feel good about that's two. And then you start getting
to Grant Walter Nolan, like, now I think those are maybes.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
And and there's this row right at the bottom of
the first Now with teams that could the way they
put a trigger. So when you think about Buffalo, Baltimore,
Kansas City, like, they're three teams that have a need
or ow pressing varies, but there's a need where you
can plug them in to that spot.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
You had to be interesting to see what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Defensive ends and linebackers are two different things here, so
and the linebackers that ends up getting udy because some
of those guys are edgresher, some of them are off
the ball. So I usually try and combine that and say,
between defensive ends and linebackers, So Jihad Campbell could go
over that pile, it would be six point eight if
you add those.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
So I'm confident I think we surprised.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah, the too many guys, the too many guys that
can get after the passer.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Yeah, I mean I'm Abdul Carter, Jalen Walker, mikel Williams,
Mike Green, James Pierce, Shamar Stewart, Donovan Zaruku and then
that's not even counting Jihad campbell A as a linebacker.
I mean I think we I think we get on
the north side of that number. Pass uh and then
two more here corners. Four point four is the average
(25:12):
for the corners going in the first round. So if
I give you the names, at least as I as
I have them, I've got Baron will Johnson, Max Harrison,
Trey Amos, and then it gets to Azaria, Thomas, Ben Morrison.
I think Baron Johnson feel those are only two would
actually have in my top thirty two, so we might
maybe I think Trey Amos has a shot and Harrison
(25:35):
has a shot. I think those are the four guys
who have a chance to go in the first round.
Speaker 2 (25:39):
I only feel good about. I only feel good about
two of those that can only be lock in.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Don't you think we go?
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Yeah, I only feel good about I feel about Baron
and Johnson. Those are the only two that I feel
good about. Okay, they're gonna hear their they're gonna hear
their name.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
Called the other guys. I think it's tricky.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
Twenty five to forty is normally where those that run
onners goes at some point. And I know, like we
got really excited about Harrison after the Common We got
excited about some of these guys after we saw them
run and move around.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
But then when.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Reality hits and you look at you know, supplying demand
man Biggs typically dwarf Little's when it comes to first round,
Hey let me get the big early. I can come
back and get someone that's comparable on the perimeter. I
feel like that is going to be the debate in
the conversation and a bunch of rooms.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
Yeah, and the last one, safety is point six. So
I haven't even averaged a safety in the first round.
I mean we're gonna get I feel good. Well here's
the thing though, Safety another position that a lot of
times you see the Brian Branches and like some of
these other guys, you know that the McKinney I think
went in the second round, like the guys that you
thought for sure we're going to be first round picks.
(26:46):
It doesn't always necessarily go that way.
Speaker 3 (26:48):
No, I don't feel like the only one I feel
good about is I mean your war Worry Man, Yeah,
even Worry. He's the only one that I feel good about. Okay,
I'm confident he's malicat stars that I think is a baller.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I feel like we're gonna have the conversation about him
that we have about Brian Branch. We knew he was
a good player based on tape, but for whatever reason,
we couldn't take him in the first. So you get
him in the second and you watch him playing like
Man in the first round player. Yeah, yeah, very similar.
I think it starts as that.
Speaker 1 (27:16):
Yeah, And I'm going to do some more work on
Xavier Watts too. I did not have him in that range,
but man, a lot of teams really love him. So
I'm gonna the only thing, the only.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
Thing that I'll say about him is man seball, get ball.
He's always around it. The ball kind of finds it.
He's kind of rock solid when it comes to it.
But I still see him as a as a second
round I don't see him as a first round player.
Now we come from the scouting thing where second round
means like, look, he's a starter, you know, he's a starter.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
He starts. Maybe from day one, I see him as
a really.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Smart player, high IQ player that can make plays in
the middle of the field, can tackle in all those things.
I can't say that I see special. I see you're
really really good football player.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Yeah no, And that's see where those get as go.
So that's a fun little exercise there. We'll at a
later episode. I'll kind of give you the numbers on
the second third round. So the Day two guys, the
numbers that we normally see there spoiler alert. Day two
was the linebacker day and the wide receiver day, second
third round. Just one little nugget there. We see ten apiece,
ten receivers, ten linebackers go in the second third rounds.
(28:21):
That is a lot.
Speaker 3 (28:22):
That is a lot, But to me it makes sense
because that's where the track meet. You normally see wide receivers, dbs.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
All those guys, the fast guys go.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
You don't want to pay a premium first round talent,
but you think you can find one a comparable mate
in the second and third round.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
That's why Day two is full of those guys.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Yep, eight point four corners to your point in the
second day. So all right, this has been a fun,
one buck, anything else you want to add before we
get out of here.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
No, man, Look we're almost a month. A month away
from the draft.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Or inside a month. Yeah, how quickly it comes.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
And all the conversations that we'll start having about, you know,
trying to get the guys in the right house, get
him in the neighborhood, and as time getting in the house.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
That's what I'm doing. You see my little cards here,
These are my.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Little little thoughts. I gotta kind of store out here.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
That's my projects for the next couple of days. All right,
this has been a fun one. I appreciate you guys
hanging with us. We'll see you next time. Right here,
I move the sticks
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