August 1, 2025 • 29 mins
On the latest episode of Move the Sticks, Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks share their biggest takeaways from the Pro Football Hall of Fame Game between the Chargers and Lions, including early impressions of rookies, standout performances, and what each team showed in Canton. Then, the guys dive into the contract standoffs brewing across the league, focusing on the situations surrounding Micah Parsons and Terry McLaurin.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. DJ Buck
with you Buck. We got a football game. Man had
a football game last night? How cool is that?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
It was really cool.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I feel bad for you though, because I was in
studio last night. I know I didn't walk out and
probably get home closer to ten o'clock my time, which
meant you are ain't kin't Ohio and having to take
a starter.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I would say I was probably waking up as you
were walking in. Yeah, yeah, because that's probably about times upright.
I think I pulled into the house just a little
bit before six. It's the it's the flight, but then
it's landing in lax and having drive back down to San.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Diego that get you. But like this is where our
scouting training comes in that you never think about when
you have a drive. You never think about the full distance.
You find, You find a place in the middle, put
in your GPS for that place, stop, get some coffee,
you know, and then you get back in your car,
put it in a GPS and go home. It's like,
you know, they say, like runners when you're out running
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on the road like you never you never think about, Okay,
I got this much further to get to the next mile.
You go out, there's a sign, I see that time
is gonna get to that sign. And when you get
to that sign, then you see the next sign, and
then you get to that sign. That's that's kind of
what you're doing when you're travel in the middle of
the night.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, no, that's a that's a tough one. I don't view.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
But at least you got a chance to see a
good game from your vantage point. The Chargers look, I
mean they ever slid, man, theyver saw that from the jump.
And I know it's funny because the Hall of Fame
game is the extra game that some teams want, because
you have an opportunity to give an extended look to
the young players, the players that are on the fringes
before you really have to get into the evaluation. And
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because you we've gone down to a three game preseason
as opposed to a four game that's very, very valuable.
So I just have to ask you man thoughts initially
just on the Chargers the game itself.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, you know again, I'm always saying, you can't you
preseason as a liar. You can get in trouble when
you try and make declarations based off the preseason. We've
you know, that's everyone knows that if you have any
and since you know that this has been proven over
the years. But I will say this. I got actually
a text from my son, who's you know, growing up
as a Charger fan, and he said, it's interesting, like
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a Jim Harbaugh coach team Week one of the preseason,
they protected the football. There weren't a lot of penalties
on the Chargers, you know, on the Lions on the
other side of things, a bunch of turnovers, a bunch
of penalties. It wasn't very clean at all. And it
was like, Okay, I think you can take something from that.
I think you can take that. You know, these guys
had to get into camp early, and the Chargers, you know,
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look like their team that even with their they've got
more depth. First of all, that's obvious with the guys
they rolled out there, especially the defensive line. They've got
some size and some depth, and rookies played well. Cawndray
Lambert Smith made some big plays at receiver. He's going
to be a factor for them. Trey Harris is going
to be a good player. You saw Marion Hampton, so
a lot of good young players. But to me, it
was just that year two of the culture kind of
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setting in of Jim Harbaugh, tough, smart, you know, it
just kind of looked like a Jim Harbaugh team out there.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
DJ And I know is the preseason and the games
don't count, but they certainly matter, and they matter in
terms of as you're looking at your team, do you
see your team embracing style of play? Are they in
line with the things that are being talked about and
discussed frequently in meetings, on the field and even in
(03:19):
press conferences. When Jim Harvard talks about we want our
team to play a certain way. Does the team play
that way when you have an opportunity to see him?
And for me, it was like going back in the
wayback machine. For as long as I've been on the
West Coast and I've seen Jim Harvard teams, I was like, Yeah,
this is the same team I saw a USD at Stanford, San.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Francisco, Michigan.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
And now with the Chargers, they're gonna run the football,
They're gonna have a great complimentary play action package that
is very easy for the quarterback quarterback friendly offense. Defensively,
they're not gonna give up big plays. They canna be
physical and they're gonna make you drive the length of
the field. And when you look at that, regardless of
whether it's preseason, regular season, postseason, this is a for
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and a blueprint at least to success. And the way
that they dominated the Detroit Lion, I don't care what
anyone says about the preseason.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
No one wants their team to get whipped like that.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, and the way that the Charges do that, to me,
this is like and look, you're in it, so you
know if they took it like with more seriousness than others,
but to me.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
They put the ball out there.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And it was very clear from the jump the Chargers
were intent on flexing their muscles against the Detroit Lions.
Because it still is a bit of a measuring stick.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, and I know, look they're both playing backups. But
it was interesting from the standpoint. The Chargers had the
number one scoring defense last year. The Lions, I believe
in the number one scoring offense last year. I think
the Chargers red zone defense was tops in the league
or top three. The Lions were top three in red
zone offense, like it was strength versus strength, and even
when you're not playing with your ones, I mean they
look like, at least in this game, they look like
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a deeper, you know, more the team outside the starters.
Now there's a play in that game where I see,
you know, the right tackle for or the Lions pulling
outside and a little corner from the Charger able to
make a miss them Like, okay, now I can envision
that's pena seul. You know, players, the star players make
a difference when they're not playing in the in these games,
and the Lions definitely have the star players, as do
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the Chargers. So I don't think there's any like major
declarations you can make other than I think that Jim
Harbaugh's you know, imprint on this team and the identity
of this team is there. And I think from the
Lions again not making too big a deal, but there's
a lot of coaching changes. Man, they lost a lot,
and I'm sure if you're a new you know, defensive coordinator,
new offensive coordinator, you probably want to get out there
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and have a little bit better showing than that, even
though it's not your your main.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Guys, because what it does DJ creates a sense of panic.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Like no one will say this, but anytime you have
newness at those leadership positions, those leadership roles, you want
all the things that we talked about throughout the spring
and summer. We want to see those x's and o's
come to life. And whether it's Hindon Hooker, Kyle Allen,
whoever's directing the offense. This is a team in a
city that has gotten used to the Iowa works that
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proceeded the arrival of John Morton. Man, for them to
get stymied and really struggled the way that they struggled
on offense, it puts more pressure on the play caller
from when they have that preseason game and they made
play the starters, they better show up because man, the
rumblings will start quickly if they don't have the same
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kind of flampos asz that they've had the last few years.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
No, see how they get out and get out the
gate and get started. I think we'll have a big
impact on what that conversation is. I want to ask
you this question because one of my favorite guys on
the Chargers, and I've known him for a long time,
going back to when he was a prospect. But Tony
Jefferson is someone who has got a great stories with
the Ravens and then his careers basically, you know, careers over,
I'm gonna go into scouting. So he scouts for a
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year and then Joe Ortiz's kids with the Charge. He
decides last year, I'm I'm making another run at it.
He was kind of helping the Chargers, so he's going
to come make a run at it. He goes into
preseason Buck, I mean, it was like it was not
a lock he was going to make the team. And
the last preseason game he had, he had one or
two interceptions, he like forced to fumble. Like he made
all these plays as a as a vet, like as
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a guy who was several you know, seven whatever, seven
eight years into the league, but like literally fought his
way onto the team. So now they've got, you know, again,
a really good roster. He's he's coming back again. He's
gonna have to compete to make the team. He goes
out last night, he sets it a little trap. It
was like the Ed Reid pick that Belichick talks about,
where did you see that? We're there? Like too high?
He floats to the middle, and then just sprints to
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the pylon and as soon as Kyle Allen saw the
shift like this, he locked in and the ball was
gone and Tony went and got it. And I was
sitting there thinking it reminded me, first of all, two things.
Number One, we're in the going through the Hall of
Fame before the game. We got there early. The buses
get their earliest chargers, getting raid, all the players through there. Tony,
Tony's not even in there. He's walking into the room. Well,
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we're going walkin through the exhibits and you see like
all the like the nineteen twenties and stuff like that,
and you see, you know, like the leather helmets and
all that stuff and all the young d He's like, hey, hey,
hey t Jeff, this is your high school uniforms. Is
what you're this is what you're using high school. But uh,
kind of the value, that's what I want to ask you,
Like the value of having some of these guys who
aren't just like you know, they don't just have experience
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in the league, but literally still as a vet, fighting
like crazy to make the team. And what kind of
example that sets did you know anybody were you with
anybody like that and then and what is the value there?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You know, Like I mean, they were always like vests
that are kind of like trying to extend their career
and do it. But I'm gonna say this DJ from
a like my own personal experience, like being a bubble guy,
like later like year five, year six, and you're in
there in the Hall of Fame game. Uh, some of
your buddies are not dressed out, but here you are
the vet that has to suit it up. To me,
I'm gonna say this speaks volumes to the football character
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that Tony Jefferson has because it would be hard for
some guys to home with themselves enough to treat that
game like a regular season game when it comes to
the preparation to focus the intensity and listening to them
talk to Steve Weisch after the game twelve years into it,
still talking about yeah, talking about is my job to
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set the example for the young guys and to come
and play hard and to do all this other stuff
that you have to do.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
And I remember working him out when he was.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Coming out or whatever, undrafted player to make it the
way that he's making. I think having those kind of
guys in the locker room and whatever capacity, whether it's
on the active roster, whether it's on the practice squad,
what Tony Jefferson can be is an extension of the
coaching staff, an extension or what I call the the
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culture standard bearer to make sure that the young guys
understand what's going on, and the fact that he still
can make a play every now and then that enables
him to have the ear of the young players. Because
it's one thing to have the old man that never
makes a play barking. It's another thing when you see
a player that can still play and be like, oh okay.
So when Tony says, hey man, you need to be
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right here when we line up in discoverage, and.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Then you see him make a play, the instant credibility, I.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Think it makes him great in whatever capacity they keep him,
because I think they're gonna keep him somewhere, DJA around,
He's gonna be around, and I think that just validates everything.
So then when he speaks, he speaks with a little
more that the guys can can get.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Look.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I think it's invaluable, and we've talked about how the
practice squad can be so valuable. They have these vets
in now Why wouldn't you populate your practice squad with
like four or five guys that can kind of be
extension of the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah. No, it's Uh. He's impressive guy, and it's easy
to root for him. A guy who just fought for
everything that he's got and doesn' wouldn't handle anything.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And I think there's a lot of guys like that
out there. I got a lot of respect for that
group of players real quick, Buck, just having a chance
to talk to you about it. I saw it live
in person. I thought Trey Lance looked good man. And
I think, to me, like Jim Harball, one of the
superpowers of Jim Harbaugh is the he instilled confidence and belief.
And I think more. You know, we said Trey Lance
needs to play. He hasn't played a lot. Yes, he
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needs to get experience. He needs to play, and he'll
get a chance to do that here in the preseason.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But Buck, I.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Also think he needs to have somebody remind him. I mean,
you're good, like you're good, you can play.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I think the best thing that Jim Harbaugh does whenever
he takes on these reclamation projects is he makes them
feel like they were They felt when they were at
their best at whatever level college, early in the pros
or whatever. I saw him do the same thing that
he always does, the pads and boom, and there was
a one. There was a joy that Trey Lance played
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with that I hadn't seen since North Dakota State days.
There was a smile, there was an ease of nature
that I love. Secondly, man, people say a lot about
Greg Roman and Jim Harbaugh and the way they run
their offense or whatever, but I know this, they made
it very easy for Trey Lance to have instant success
right away.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Bootlegs early, half rolls late.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I'm like, how many times in life can we see
them score a touchdown on this play?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Like tail back in the flat, tied into the corner. Bang.
But that that throw that throws much harder than people.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, we'll get a credit because Will Drizzley had to
catch that over somebody and Trey Lance didn't blow the
layup DJ. I saw what we always talk about, winn
it's a scout. When someone a quarterback has been drafted early, man,
they get every opportunity to exhaust that option on whether
they can play. And the guy that I saw last
night is well worth taking the time to see if
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you can squeeze a little bit out of Trey Lance
to maybe get a player that can be a very
valuable backup for a long time, or someone who can
jump in in a pinch and do it. And then
when they told this last night, they said, Trey Lance
is younger than Michael Pennox and some of.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
The other it's that crazy man.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
But he talked about how quickly sometimes people give up
on others, and You're like, hey, man, he hasn't even played.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
He's a baby, a baby, he's a baby.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
No, it's a great job DJ. He looks so comfortable
and all that stuff. And I was just like, man,
it's just a byproduct of them run heavy system, but
the complimentary game that goes with his quarterback friend.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I also, I'm telling you that we did see a
lot of him, but I know it was three colleges.
I know he never lived up to the expectations. But
I'm telling you, Buck, when you go down there on
the field and watch Dju warm up and throw, I
saw him as you did in high school. I saw
him as a sophomore in high school, and I was
physically imposing a high school quarterback as I've ever seen.
There's still talent in there. I know three colleges can
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tell you it hasn't worked out the way that we
thought it would, and we bought into it. You know,
don't buy into it. I'm sitting here telling you you can't.
He's going to get opportunities. Man, you can't quit on
that talent. There's talent in there.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So here's the advantage that I think Jim Harbor has
over some guys because he spent so much time in college.
He's unafraid of developmental process, his patience, particularly when it
comes to quarterback. He has a longer wick than some
guys have when it comes to that developmental candle. Hey,
we'll take a time, we'll process or whatever, and then
when you start looking. I think Jim Harbor has a type.
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I think he likes the big, strong, athletic type. I
believe that he sees himself in some of those guys
and he feels like, oh, I got a recipe in
a blueprint that works, and look at you go back
in Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick and the guys that
he has dealt with, he understands how to maximize that position. Yeah,
I wouldn't be surprised to see dj you make his
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way under practice squad, spend a lot of time working
on the mechanics, building up his confidence to give himself
a shot to make the roster next year. I just
think the charges in Harbor have that he has a
clear vision for what he wants at a position, and
he's undeterred by whatever happened before you got to us.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah we'll figure that out. Yeah, no, no doubt. I
think he's got a chance there. Nico Reid undrafted corner
at Oregon at a pick and it's made plays all
throughout training camp. I talked about Lambert Smith's done a
nice job. But some good there's some good stories. There
are some good young players. And for those asking, hey
what about the Lions, the Lions didn't play good, I
would love to sit here and tell you, you know, I know,
and talking to people down there on the field before
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the game. In the organization, there is a lot of
excitement about Aiden Hutchinson and they think he's going to
light the world on fire. So that's, uh, that's some
positive news there. And I know I talked to Brad
Holmes for a minute down there. He likes the young receivers.
Tesla's is one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
He had a nice game.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
He had a nice game early like he got, he got,
he got in the mix, saw make some nice catches
and those things. But you know, the quarterback play one
wasn't great. And then they didn't have many opportunities. They
didn't really throw it a lot, so you didn't really
get a chance to see what they could do.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
The final thing about the Charges thumbs up on the
blue bridges, I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Those are sweet, aren't they sweet? Man?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Blue bridges, white white, Jersey white, Hilme.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I like that combo, man, I like that.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Not a big fan of the yellow, but right now
the combo did us all last night.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, the yellow and yellow. I was gonna take some
getting used to. But the the the navies, the throwback
navies that they busted, that they busted out over the summer.
Those are sweet. And then that his pants, Man, those
those powder blue pants are pretty.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Because that's new. They've never done powder blue pants.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Those pants are okay.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I want to make sure because I was like, man,
that's a nice combination.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, that's very nice. They look the Chargers social media
and uniforms. They've checked those boxes every year, man, and
I just got to get the team to finish it
off here in the postseason. But Buck, let's take a break,
and there's a couple of contract situations we need to
get to. We'll do that right for this, all right,
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it's time for Hot or Not, brought to you by
with Sabby Hot Cloud Storage Hot Buck. The temperatures hot
in most of the country. And uh, Man, I think
contract negotiations are lacked thereof a little hot. With Terry
McLaurin and with Micah Parsons.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, that's so weird, both of these situations. I think
let's talk about Micah first because the name is so big.
The Mica situation is so weird to me. Uh, he
is playing, is point set to play on the fifth
year of his other fifth option.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
It'll be like twenty twenty four million dollars.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Obviously, you look at the pass rusher market, it is
now escalated to as forty million dollars. Michael Parsons has
fifty two and a half sacks in sixty three games.
He is a guy who is a big play machine.
He makes plays all over the field and without questioning,
he is their best defensive player, maybe their best player
on the team.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Don't really understand why this.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Has been such a long drawn out, contentious negotiation, but
here we are, and I just feel like for the Cowboys,
like I know that this is the way they do business,
but it just doesn't make you feel good.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I would think as a player that you have.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
To haggle, like guys are having to haggle to get
their money from the Cowboys. And maybe it's a situation
where the Cowboys are like, hey man, we're gonna put
them on the franchise tax situation.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
But it's just a weird.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
It's just a weird deal to be going through this
in training camp when you need him to be ready
to play if they're going to have any any chance
of competing closing the gap on Leagles.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
So I was talking to an agent about this thing,
and he brought up an interesting point, which is, you
know these players, they all talk. It's a very close
knit community, and like there's He was using an example
of how he like the Eagles players that walk through
those holes. You know, they they they will die for
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Howie Roseman. They love him, I mean, how he takes
care of them. They pay him early in most cases,
but they always take care of them, and hey, you're
a little bit beat up during the season, I'm gonna
go ahead and fight through it. I mean, I'm fighting
from my team, for my brothers, for the organization. Like
there's just a belief and a gratitude that seeps in
there when when they're taken care of and other people
will say no, no, it's your job, is negotiator, to get
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him for the cheapest humanly possible so we can maximize
the roster. I just I know obviously is the agent.
So they're gonna they're gonna believe the opposite of that.
But I think I agree with them. I think there
is something to the fact of like, hey, I'm not
saying it's for I'm not gonna get held hostage by
you know, uh, you know, just a run of the
mill average starter. But when you've got your three, we
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need a five elite players on just about every roster.
Like those guys, I'm okay over paying a little bit.
First of all, the market's gonna run away anyways. In
a year from now, it's not even gonna look like
an overpay. And in the meantime, you've got a happy
camper on your hands.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, I just don't understand why you wouldn't want to play,
to be happy and ready to go. We talked about
this being a team sport relationships and if the relationship
deteriorates between the player and management and even the coach Steff,
it just makes it hard that.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
He's going to give you everything.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And as you talked about the Eagles and some of
the other teams that are really on the forefront, they
would rather pay them early than late. The buy back
that they get from the players, the buy in in
terms of like, hey man, I'll do anything for ant
team because my team stands ten toes down for me.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
You don't get that from the cowboy.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Then I know the brand is the brand, and I
know in business some people feel like they always need
to make a deal, but this is a relationship business,
and when we have hurt feelings or whatever, like you
can throw money at it, but it doesn't change the feeling.
People remember how you you made them feel, more so
than how much you pay them. And for Michael Parsons
to go through this for someone who we know Michael
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to be a guy that wears his emotions.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
On his sleeve, DJ.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I feel like this long extended thing has done more
harmed and good when it comes to their relationship.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, and it always feels like the cowboys. They end
up doing it, and usually they end up kind of
doing the deal that the player likes and wants and
they cross that bridge. But it's like they make it exhausting,
you know, it's like, come on, man, just get it done.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I don't get that one. How about what Terry? You know,
it's funny. I talked to Ap the other day and Uh,
I was just somehow I was thinking about it. You know,
I was thinking about it because he's a San Francisco
Giants baseball fan and their teams team stinks, and so
I was falling to bust his chops on them being
a seller. As my Podraser search, we had a great
terry deadline, by the way, as we always do.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
But you don't have a minor league system anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You don't have them every year every year. You guys,
you know what we're gonna do next year. We're gonna
trade ten more of them next year, go.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Get more all gone.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
That's all he does is scout and replanning the system.
He's a machine. He done, and he does it every year.
I mean, like I go back, Blake's noow, Joe Musgrove,
you know, Juan Soto, Like he trades for these star
players every year. You know how many prospects. No, he'll
go find more. He goes just Rea shuffle him. But anyways,
I call Ap to bus his chops on that. And
then I was just curious. I was thinking about Jane Daniels,
so we talked about it. I didn't even think to
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ask him about Terry McLaurin. I didn't talk about it.
But on the side, note, if you want some positive news,
if you're a Washington Commanders fan, is this is kind
of gotten murky here. He was telling me like, I'm like,
how does Jane Daniels get better? And he's like, I'm
telling you, dude, he's like, everything's faster. He's seeing things
even faster. He said. Leadership wise, it's gone up. Like
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he's taking it up a notch on that front, Like
he's talking more, he's more vocal, And that's a scary thought. Now,
hopefully McLaurin thing works itself out. If the offensive line
is better. He's excited about the corners They've got some
good young corners on their roster, so they've got a team.
It's in the stinking championship game last year. So if
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Jade Daniels takes that next step, and we'll see what
happens with the Terry thing, hopefully that thing gets worked out.
I think that's kind of like we talk about the
fun teams. You know, who are the teams to pay
attention to and be fun. That's a fun team, man, you.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Know, DJ I'm writing this thing that will come out
later today is the three teams that are challenged the
Philadelphia Eagles, and I have to watch the Commanders right there.
I feel like they not only are a better team
than they were last year. You think about the upgrades Deebo,
Samuel lamrytonso coming in. You talked about the draftis and
what they brought in, but you got Jayden Daniels who's
entering year two. And I know some people will make
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that sophomore slump, but man, I just think this dude
is an absolute superstar and I only see him getting better.
And there's something about the Commanders and the Eagles where
the Commanders are unafraid of the Eagles and know when
your division rivals, like you have that sense like we
know them, they know us. But to me, there's a
confidence that the commanders have when it comes to dealing
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with the Eagles that's gonna make them a tough out
for the eg is when they have to square off
a couple of times this year to settle who is
going to be the team to beat in the NFCS.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
So helped me out on the McLaurin thing, because again,
really i've been on the move.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I haven't. I haven't.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I don't know as much about that one to talk
about it.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I mean I can't. I can't understand it, but I
do understand the.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Ru Does he want crazy? Does he want like way
above market?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Like what is what is the well, well, I don't
know what what the issue would be, but I know
he's over thirty, okay, And so when we look at
the market, the way the market is kind of split.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
So DK metcalf top of the market.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
He signed his deal whatever it was, like I think
he put him at thirty something, but he was twenty
eight years old.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Then you look at the over thirty.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Guys that signed, Devonte Adams and Mike Evans, they basically
signed two year deals that put them right between twenty
two and twenty four million.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Well, if you're mclauren and your numbers are better than DK,
and you and DK in the same class, and even
though on paper he's twenty eight year thirty, you're saying, well,
why can't I get Why can't I get that deal?
Why do I get to get the old man deal?
So it's just that part of it. And I am
not one that always leans towards the player, but I
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think this when it comes to the franchise, when you
have a guy that is a face of the franchise type,
someone who exhibits all the qualities that you talk about. Hey,
young guys, y'all need to look at Terry because he
does it.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
The right way, on time, work ethic, plays, didn't matter
what they had at quarterback, he shows up, shows out.
The numbers speak for themselves. You just tended, like man,
just overpay.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Overpay to keep your guy just because he's been such
a good.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Player for you and he will continue to be a
good player. So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
The challenge to me, just listen to it and factor
in the age. Look, we're all bolden to our experiences
that's gonna shape and form our opinions. I saw Keenan Allen,
you know, got older pretty quick. I saw Mike Williams
unfortunately had to retire as you know, work out there.
You know Tyler Lockett who was playing at a very
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high level. Now we'll see where he is in his
his career. Like there's been a decent number of examples
of guys. I mean, Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup was at
the I mean, I know he got a little bit
of money here in DNA's you know what I mean.
I don't know that you want to go extend yourself
too far on that age.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
So so the funny thing, so Mike Evans and Davante
Adams signed two year.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Deals at over thirty.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I'm trying to figure out what DK.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I think DK signed maybe a five year deal, but
that might have been the way they stretch out the
money out of the.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Stretch out the money.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, So it's just a matter of how do you
want to do it, how do you want to get
out of there? How do you want to pay him?
But at some point you have to pay him. But
I do understand it. You want to be fiscally responsible
and his Deebo, Samuel Factor, Debo is in the last
year of his deal. You're gonna have to deal with that.
Are you going to have too high priced white house?
Like what is the structure of the team. But they
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just needn't make sure that the locker room is okay
with Terry because if you bring in I mean, he's
on the team now, but if you bring in an
outside of for instance, like in Debo, and you pay
him and you don't pay the other guy, it just
makes people in the locker room just look a little
sideways upstairs. So this is a big one for AP.
I'm sure they'll get it figured out. But you just
want to make sure a band that chemistry is.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
So And that's for me. The key part of that
is maybe not so much the age, is just his
standing within the locker room, Like he is that guy,
so you know you'd like to have him happy. Same
thing we just said. You know, ideally you're okay with
overpaying a little bit on some of these things because
of the person and standing within the locker room. That
was this week's Hot or Not segment, brought to you
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dot com. Buck, I'm tired. I'm be honest with you
at anything else you want to Uh, you want to
toss in here before I go take a nap.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
No, I think you need to take a nap like that.
That is that is tough.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I give you credit for showing up, but I know
that you've been positively impacted in influence by your time
with Jem Harbor.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I would I would anticipate you.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Being in the front yard later h walking backwards with
the slid on your back, just kind of like trying
to make sure we're moving, trying to.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Keep clods, a lot of chances, poles, rope poles, you know,
tire flips, trying.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
To make sure we're trying to make sure we're getting
it done.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I'll be honest with I. I had a day where
we didn't have anything, no no work, no responsibilities, there's
nothing going on family wise. So I went to play golf,
and uh, I've tried to play, like in the summer
once a week and stuff. But we went in. Of course,
we go to as twenty seven holes and you kind
of figure out which two nines you're playing. The guy
was like, look, we're wide open the day. You guys
want to play all twenty seven, you're good to go.
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First time in my life i've played twenty seven holes
of golf. Buck, I don't know how these.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Guys do it.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I don't know how these guys do it. I mean
we were moving because there were no there's nobody on,
so we were just kind of moving around. But man,
like my back I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
You talk about your backup. I'm thinking about your ability
to focus.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
That's a long day, you know what, you know, what
turns out, turns out I'm not a good eighteen hole golfer.
The last nine is where I that's where I shine.
I think that's when I'm a fatigued and then when
I just have too tired to have swing thoughts, like
when you're too when you're too tired, and just like
screw it, I'm just gonna I'm not gonna. I'm just
gonna stop thinking I'm a line up over the ball
and hit it. So the first eighteen of the last
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nine was much better than my first eighteen. So I
think that's what I gotta do. I gotta go to
the golf course play nine before the golf round, when
nobody knows that you're even there, get out there, play nine,
and then just meet up with your group and go, okay,
let's go play now. I might I might need a
chiropractor after that, but uh yeah, I don't have. Gosh,
it is a I never thought. I never thought of
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golf as like a demanding sport. But now when you
watch these tournaments and your if you're walking the course
and you're playing four days in a row like that
is that's not nothing like.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
That's uh, you gotta be you gotta be on it.
You gotta be able to one. I do believe, like
and Tiger did a lot to change it. I do
believe fitness is a big part of it because being
able to lock in, being able to as you talk
about where you're back and the where the stuff feels.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Your postures.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, when you get the day four, talk about moving
like that Sunday. To be able to finish it off,
you need to be able to last.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Our work it out last. That's what we're talking about. There.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
You go, all right, I'm gonna go get an app.
I appreciate you guys hanging with us. We'll see you
next time. Right here, I'm moving the sticks
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up everybody? Welcome to move the sticks. DJ Buck
with you Buck. We got a football game. Man had
a football game last night? How cool is that?
Speaker 3 (00:14):
It was really cool.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
I feel bad for you though, because I was in
studio last night. I know I didn't walk out and
probably get home closer to ten o'clock my time, which
meant you are ain't kin't Ohio and having to take
a starter.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
I would say I was probably waking up as you
were walking in. Yeah, yeah, because that's probably about times upright.
I think I pulled into the house just a little
bit before six. It's the it's the flight, but then
it's landing in lax and having drive back down to San.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Diego that get you. But like this is where our
scouting training comes in that you never think about when
you have a drive. You never think about the full distance.
You find, You find a place in the middle, put
in your GPS for that place, stop, get some coffee,
you know, and then you get back in your car,
put it in a GPS and go home. It's like,
you know, they say, like runners when you're out running
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on the road like you never you never think about, Okay,
I got this much further to get to the next mile.
You go out, there's a sign, I see that time
is gonna get to that sign. And when you get
to that sign, then you see the next sign, and
then you get to that sign. That's that's kind of
what you're doing when you're travel in the middle of
the night.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Yeah, no, that's a that's a tough one. I don't view.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
But at least you got a chance to see a
good game from your vantage point. The Chargers look, I
mean they ever slid, man, theyver saw that from the jump.
And I know it's funny because the Hall of Fame
game is the extra game that some teams want, because
you have an opportunity to give an extended look to
the young players, the players that are on the fringes
before you really have to get into the evaluation. And
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because you we've gone down to a three game preseason
as opposed to a four game that's very, very valuable.
So I just have to ask you man thoughts initially
just on the Chargers the game itself.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, you know again, I'm always saying, you can't you
preseason as a liar. You can get in trouble when
you try and make declarations based off the preseason. We've
you know, that's everyone knows that if you have any
and since you know that this has been proven over
the years. But I will say this. I got actually
a text from my son, who's you know, growing up
as a Charger fan, and he said, it's interesting, like
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a Jim Harbaugh coach team Week one of the preseason,
they protected the football. There weren't a lot of penalties
on the Chargers, you know, on the Lions on the
other side of things, a bunch of turnovers, a bunch
of penalties. It wasn't very clean at all. And it
was like, Okay, I think you can take something from that.
I think you can take that. You know, these guys
had to get into camp early, and the Chargers, you know,
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look like their team that even with their they've got
more depth. First of all, that's obvious with the guys
they rolled out there, especially the defensive line. They've got
some size and some depth, and rookies played well. Cawndray
Lambert Smith made some big plays at receiver. He's going
to be a factor for them. Trey Harris is going
to be a good player. You saw Marion Hampton, so
a lot of good young players. But to me, it
was just that year two of the culture kind of
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setting in of Jim Harbaugh, tough, smart, you know, it
just kind of looked like a Jim Harbaugh team out there.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
DJ And I know is the preseason and the games
don't count, but they certainly matter, and they matter in
terms of as you're looking at your team, do you
see your team embracing style of play? Are they in
line with the things that are being talked about and
discussed frequently in meetings, on the field and even in
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press conferences. When Jim Harvard talks about we want our
team to play a certain way. Does the team play
that way when you have an opportunity to see him?
And for me, it was like going back in the
wayback machine. For as long as I've been on the
West Coast and I've seen Jim Harvard teams, I was like, Yeah,
this is the same team I saw a USD at Stanford, San.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Francisco, Michigan.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
And now with the Chargers, they're gonna run the football,
They're gonna have a great complimentary play action package that
is very easy for the quarterback quarterback friendly offense. Defensively,
they're not gonna give up big plays. They canna be
physical and they're gonna make you drive the length of
the field. And when you look at that, regardless of
whether it's preseason, regular season, postseason, this is a for
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and a blueprint at least to success. And the way
that they dominated the Detroit Lion, I don't care what
anyone says about the preseason.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
No one wants their team to get whipped like that.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah, and the way that the Charges do that, to me,
this is like and look, you're in it, so you
know if they took it like with more seriousness than others,
but to me.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
They put the ball out there.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
And it was very clear from the jump the Chargers
were intent on flexing their muscles against the Detroit Lions.
Because it still is a bit of a measuring stick.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, and I know, look they're both playing backups. But
it was interesting from the standpoint. The Chargers had the
number one scoring defense last year. The Lions, I believe
in the number one scoring offense last year. I think
the Chargers red zone defense was tops in the league
or top three. The Lions were top three in red
zone offense, like it was strength versus strength, and even
when you're not playing with your ones, I mean they
look like, at least in this game, they look like
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a deeper, you know, more the team outside the starters.
Now there's a play in that game where I see,
you know, the right tackle for or the Lions pulling
outside and a little corner from the Charger able to
make a miss them Like, okay, now I can envision
that's pena seul. You know, players, the star players make
a difference when they're not playing in the in these games,
and the Lions definitely have the star players, as do
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the Chargers. So I don't think there's any like major
declarations you can make other than I think that Jim
Harbaugh's you know, imprint on this team and the identity
of this team is there. And I think from the
Lions again not making too big a deal, but there's
a lot of coaching changes. Man, they lost a lot,
and I'm sure if you're a new you know, defensive coordinator,
new offensive coordinator, you probably want to get out there
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and have a little bit better showing than that, even
though it's not your your main.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Guys, because what it does DJ creates a sense of panic.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Like no one will say this, but anytime you have
newness at those leadership positions, those leadership roles, you want
all the things that we talked about throughout the spring
and summer. We want to see those x's and o's
come to life. And whether it's Hindon Hooker, Kyle Allen,
whoever's directing the offense. This is a team in a
city that has gotten used to the Iowa works that
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proceeded the arrival of John Morton. Man, for them to
get stymied and really struggled the way that they struggled
on offense, it puts more pressure on the play caller
from when they have that preseason game and they made
play the starters, they better show up because man, the
rumblings will start quickly if they don't have the same
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kind of flampos asz that they've had the last few years.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
No, see how they get out and get out the
gate and get started. I think we'll have a big
impact on what that conversation is. I want to ask
you this question because one of my favorite guys on
the Chargers, and I've known him for a long time,
going back to when he was a prospect. But Tony
Jefferson is someone who has got a great stories with
the Ravens and then his careers basically, you know, careers over,
I'm gonna go into scouting. So he scouts for a
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year and then Joe Ortiz's kids with the Charge. He
decides last year, I'm I'm making another run at it.
He was kind of helping the Chargers, so he's going
to come make a run at it. He goes into
preseason Buck, I mean, it was like it was not
a lock he was going to make the team. And
the last preseason game he had, he had one or
two interceptions, he like forced to fumble. Like he made
all these plays as a as a vet, like as
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a guy who was several you know, seven whatever, seven
eight years into the league, but like literally fought his
way onto the team. So now they've got, you know, again,
a really good roster. He's he's coming back again. He's
gonna have to compete to make the team. He goes
out last night, he sets it a little trap. It
was like the Ed Reid pick that Belichick talks about,
where did you see that? We're there? Like too high?
He floats to the middle, and then just sprints to
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the pylon and as soon as Kyle Allen saw the
shift like this, he locked in and the ball was
gone and Tony went and got it. And I was
sitting there thinking it reminded me, first of all, two things.
Number One, we're in the going through the Hall of
Fame before the game. We got there early. The buses
get their earliest chargers, getting raid, all the players through there. Tony,
Tony's not even in there. He's walking into the room. Well,
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we're going walkin through the exhibits and you see like
all the like the nineteen twenties and stuff like that,
and you see, you know, like the leather helmets and
all that stuff and all the young d He's like, hey, hey,
hey t Jeff, this is your high school uniforms. Is
what you're this is what you're using high school. But uh,
kind of the value, that's what I want to ask you,
Like the value of having some of these guys who
aren't just like you know, they don't just have experience
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in the league, but literally still as a vet, fighting
like crazy to make the team. And what kind of
example that sets did you know anybody were you with
anybody like that and then and what is the value there?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
You know, Like I mean, they were always like vests
that are kind of like trying to extend their career
and do it. But I'm gonna say this DJ from
a like my own personal experience, like being a bubble guy,
like later like year five, year six, and you're in
there in the Hall of Fame game. Uh, some of
your buddies are not dressed out, but here you are
the vet that has to suit it up. To me,
I'm gonna say this speaks volumes to the football character
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that Tony Jefferson has because it would be hard for
some guys to home with themselves enough to treat that
game like a regular season game when it comes to
the preparation to focus the intensity and listening to them
talk to Steve Weisch after the game twelve years into it,
still talking about yeah, talking about is my job to
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set the example for the young guys and to come
and play hard and to do all this other stuff
that you have to do.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
And I remember working him out when he was.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Coming out or whatever, undrafted player to make it the
way that he's making. I think having those kind of
guys in the locker room and whatever capacity, whether it's
on the active roster, whether it's on the practice squad,
what Tony Jefferson can be is an extension of the
coaching staff, an extension or what I call the the
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culture standard bearer to make sure that the young guys
understand what's going on, and the fact that he still
can make a play every now and then that enables
him to have the ear of the young players. Because
it's one thing to have the old man that never
makes a play barking. It's another thing when you see
a player that can still play and be like, oh okay.
So when Tony says, hey man, you need to be
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right here when we line up in discoverage, and.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Then you see him make a play, the instant credibility, I.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Think it makes him great in whatever capacity they keep him,
because I think they're gonna keep him somewhere, DJA around,
He's gonna be around, and I think that just validates everything.
So then when he speaks, he speaks with a little
more that the guys can can get.
Speaker 3 (10:22):
Look.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I think it's invaluable, and we've talked about how the
practice squad can be so valuable. They have these vets
in now Why wouldn't you populate your practice squad with
like four or five guys that can kind of be
extension of the coaching staff.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
Yeah. No, it's Uh. He's impressive guy, and it's easy
to root for him. A guy who just fought for
everything that he's got and doesn' wouldn't handle anything.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
And I think there's a lot of guys like that
out there. I got a lot of respect for that
group of players real quick, Buck, just having a chance
to talk to you about it. I saw it live
in person. I thought Trey Lance looked good man. And
I think, to me, like Jim Harball, one of the
superpowers of Jim Harbaugh is the he instilled confidence and belief.
And I think more. You know, we said Trey Lance
needs to play. He hasn't played a lot. Yes, he
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needs to get experience. He needs to play, and he'll
get a chance to do that here in the preseason.
Speaker 3 (11:04):
But Buck, I.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Also think he needs to have somebody remind him. I mean,
you're good, like you're good, you can play.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I think the best thing that Jim Harbaugh does whenever
he takes on these reclamation projects is he makes them
feel like they were They felt when they were at
their best at whatever level college, early in the pros
or whatever. I saw him do the same thing that
he always does, the pads and boom, and there was
a one. There was a joy that Trey Lance played
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with that I hadn't seen since North Dakota State days.
There was a smile, there was an ease of nature
that I love. Secondly, man, people say a lot about
Greg Roman and Jim Harbaugh and the way they run
their offense or whatever, but I know this, they made
it very easy for Trey Lance to have instant success
right away.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Bootlegs early, half rolls late.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I'm like, how many times in life can we see
them score a touchdown on this play?
Speaker 3 (11:54):
Like tail back in the flat, tied into the corner. Bang.
But that that throw that throws much harder than people.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, we'll get a credit because Will Drizzley had to
catch that over somebody and Trey Lance didn't blow the
layup DJ. I saw what we always talk about, winn
it's a scout. When someone a quarterback has been drafted early, man,
they get every opportunity to exhaust that option on whether
they can play. And the guy that I saw last
night is well worth taking the time to see if
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you can squeeze a little bit out of Trey Lance
to maybe get a player that can be a very
valuable backup for a long time, or someone who can
jump in in a pinch and do it. And then
when they told this last night, they said, Trey Lance
is younger than Michael Pennox and some of.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
The other it's that crazy man.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
But he talked about how quickly sometimes people give up
on others, and You're like, hey, man, he hasn't even played.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
He's a baby, a baby, he's a baby.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
No, it's a great job DJ. He looks so comfortable
and all that stuff. And I was just like, man,
it's just a byproduct of them run heavy system, but
the complimentary game that goes with his quarterback friend.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
I also, I'm telling you that we did see a
lot of him, but I know it was three colleges.
I know he never lived up to the expectations. But
I'm telling you, Buck, when you go down there on
the field and watch Dju warm up and throw, I
saw him as you did in high school. I saw
him as a sophomore in high school, and I was
physically imposing a high school quarterback as I've ever seen.
There's still talent in there. I know three colleges can
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tell you it hasn't worked out the way that we
thought it would, and we bought into it. You know,
don't buy into it. I'm sitting here telling you you can't.
He's going to get opportunities. Man, you can't quit on
that talent. There's talent in there.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
So here's the advantage that I think Jim Harbor has
over some guys because he spent so much time in college.
He's unafraid of developmental process, his patience, particularly when it
comes to quarterback. He has a longer wick than some
guys have when it comes to that developmental candle. Hey,
we'll take a time, we'll process or whatever, and then
when you start looking. I think Jim Harbor has a type.
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I think he likes the big, strong, athletic type. I
believe that he sees himself in some of those guys
and he feels like, oh, I got a recipe in
a blueprint that works, and look at you go back
in Alex Smith and Colin Kaepernick and the guys that
he has dealt with, he understands how to maximize that position. Yeah,
I wouldn't be surprised to see dj you make his
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way under practice squad, spend a lot of time working
on the mechanics, building up his confidence to give himself
a shot to make the roster next year. I just
think the charges in Harbor have that he has a
clear vision for what he wants at a position, and
he's undeterred by whatever happened before you got to us.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Yeah we'll figure that out. Yeah, no, no doubt. I
think he's got a chance there. Nico Reid undrafted corner
at Oregon at a pick and it's made plays all
throughout training camp. I talked about Lambert Smith's done a
nice job. But some good there's some good stories. There
are some good young players. And for those asking, hey
what about the Lions, the Lions didn't play good, I
would love to sit here and tell you, you know, I know,
and talking to people down there on the field before
(15:02):
the game. In the organization, there is a lot of
excitement about Aiden Hutchinson and they think he's going to
light the world on fire. So that's, uh, that's some
positive news there. And I know I talked to Brad
Holmes for a minute down there. He likes the young receivers.
Tesla's is one of those guys.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
He had a nice game.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
He had a nice game early like he got, he got,
he got in the mix, saw make some nice catches
and those things. But you know, the quarterback play one
wasn't great. And then they didn't have many opportunities. They
didn't really throw it a lot, so you didn't really
get a chance to see what they could do.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
The final thing about the Charges thumbs up on the
blue bridges, I'm okay.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Those are sweet, aren't they sweet? Man?
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Blue bridges, white white, Jersey white, Hilme.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I like that combo, man, I like that.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Not a big fan of the yellow, but right now
the combo did us all last night.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Yeah, the yellow and yellow. I was gonna take some
getting used to. But the the the navies, the throwback
navies that they busted, that they busted out over the summer.
Those are sweet. And then that his pants, Man, those
those powder blue pants are pretty.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Because that's new. They've never done powder blue pants.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Those pants are okay.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
I want to make sure because I was like, man,
that's a nice combination.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yeah, that's very nice. They look the Chargers social media
and uniforms. They've checked those boxes every year, man, and
I just got to get the team to finish it
off here in the postseason. But Buck, let's take a break,
and there's a couple of contract situations we need to
get to. We'll do that right for this, all right,
(16:33):
it's time for Hot or Not, brought to you by
with Sabby Hot Cloud Storage Hot Buck. The temperatures hot
in most of the country. And uh, Man, I think
contract negotiations are lacked thereof a little hot. With Terry
McLaurin and with Micah Parsons.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, that's so weird, both of these situations. I think
let's talk about Micah first because the name is so big.
The Mica situation is so weird to me. Uh, he
is playing, is point set to play on the fifth
year of his other fifth option.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
It'll be like twenty twenty four million dollars.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Obviously, you look at the pass rusher market, it is
now escalated to as forty million dollars. Michael Parsons has
fifty two and a half sacks in sixty three games.
He is a guy who is a big play machine.
He makes plays all over the field and without questioning,
he is their best defensive player, maybe their best player
on the team.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Don't really understand why this.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
Has been such a long drawn out, contentious negotiation, but
here we are, and I just feel like for the Cowboys,
like I know that this is the way they do business,
but it just doesn't make you feel good.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I would think as a player that you have.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
To haggle, like guys are having to haggle to get
their money from the Cowboys. And maybe it's a situation
where the Cowboys are like, hey man, we're gonna put
them on the franchise tax situation.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
But it's just a weird.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
It's just a weird deal to be going through this
in training camp when you need him to be ready
to play if they're going to have any any chance
of competing closing the gap on Leagles.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
So I was talking to an agent about this thing,
and he brought up an interesting point, which is, you
know these players, they all talk. It's a very close
knit community, and like there's He was using an example
of how he like the Eagles players that walk through
those holes. You know, they they they will die for
(18:19):
Howie Roseman. They love him, I mean, how he takes
care of them. They pay him early in most cases,
but they always take care of them, and hey, you're
a little bit beat up during the season, I'm gonna
go ahead and fight through it. I mean, I'm fighting
from my team, for my brothers, for the organization. Like
there's just a belief and a gratitude that seeps in
there when when they're taken care of and other people
will say no, no, it's your job, is negotiator, to get
(18:39):
him for the cheapest humanly possible so we can maximize
the roster. I just I know obviously is the agent.
So they're gonna they're gonna believe the opposite of that.
But I think I agree with them. I think there
is something to the fact of like, hey, I'm not
saying it's for I'm not gonna get held hostage by
you know, uh, you know, just a run of the
mill average starter. But when you've got your three, we
(19:00):
need a five elite players on just about every roster.
Like those guys, I'm okay over paying a little bit.
First of all, the market's gonna run away anyways. In
a year from now, it's not even gonna look like
an overpay. And in the meantime, you've got a happy
camper on your hands.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, I just don't understand why you wouldn't want to play,
to be happy and ready to go. We talked about
this being a team sport relationships and if the relationship
deteriorates between the player and management and even the coach Steff,
it just makes it hard that.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
He's going to give you everything.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
And as you talked about the Eagles and some of
the other teams that are really on the forefront, they
would rather pay them early than late. The buy back
that they get from the players, the buy in in
terms of like, hey man, I'll do anything for ant
team because my team stands ten toes down for me.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
You don't get that from the cowboy.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
Then I know the brand is the brand, and I
know in business some people feel like they always need
to make a deal, but this is a relationship business,
and when we have hurt feelings or whatever, like you
can throw money at it, but it doesn't change the feeling.
People remember how you you made them feel, more so
than how much you pay them. And for Michael Parsons
to go through this for someone who we know Michael
(20:06):
to be a guy that wears his emotions.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
On his sleeve, DJ.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I feel like this long extended thing has done more
harmed and good when it comes to their relationship.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, and it always feels like the cowboys. They end
up doing it, and usually they end up kind of
doing the deal that the player likes and wants and
they cross that bridge. But it's like they make it exhausting,
you know, it's like, come on, man, just get it done.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
I don't.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
I don't get that one. How about what Terry? You know,
it's funny. I talked to Ap the other day and Uh,
I was just somehow I was thinking about it. You know,
I was thinking about it because he's a San Francisco
Giants baseball fan and their teams team stinks, and so
I was falling to bust his chops on them being
a seller. As my Podraser search, we had a great
terry deadline, by the way, as we always do.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
But you don't have a minor league system anymore.
Speaker 2 (20:50):
You don't have them every year every year. You guys,
you know what we're gonna do next year. We're gonna
trade ten more of them next year, go.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Get more all gone.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
That's all he does is scout and replanning the system.
He's a machine. He done, and he does it every year.
I mean, like I go back, Blake's noow, Joe Musgrove,
you know, Juan Soto, Like he trades for these star
players every year. You know how many prospects. No, he'll
go find more. He goes just Rea shuffle him. But anyways,
I call Ap to bus his chops on that. And
then I was just curious. I was thinking about Jane Daniels,
so we talked about it. I didn't even think to
(21:19):
ask him about Terry McLaurin. I didn't talk about it.
But on the side, note, if you want some positive news,
if you're a Washington Commanders fan, is this is kind
of gotten murky here. He was telling me like, I'm like,
how does Jane Daniels get better? And he's like, I'm
telling you, dude, he's like, everything's faster. He's seeing things
even faster. He said. Leadership wise, it's gone up. Like
(21:39):
he's taking it up a notch on that front, Like
he's talking more, he's more vocal, And that's a scary thought. Now,
hopefully McLaurin thing works itself out. If the offensive line
is better. He's excited about the corners They've got some
good young corners on their roster, so they've got a team.
It's in the stinking championship game last year. So if
(22:00):
Jade Daniels takes that next step, and we'll see what
happens with the Terry thing, hopefully that thing gets worked out.
I think that's kind of like we talk about the
fun teams. You know, who are the teams to pay
attention to and be fun. That's a fun team, man, you.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
Know, DJ I'm writing this thing that will come out
later today is the three teams that are challenged the
Philadelphia Eagles, and I have to watch the Commanders right there.
I feel like they not only are a better team
than they were last year. You think about the upgrades Deebo,
Samuel lamrytonso coming in. You talked about the draftis and
what they brought in, but you got Jayden Daniels who's
entering year two. And I know some people will make
(22:35):
that sophomore slump, but man, I just think this dude
is an absolute superstar and I only see him getting better.
And there's something about the Commanders and the Eagles where
the Commanders are unafraid of the Eagles and know when
your division rivals, like you have that sense like we
know them, they know us. But to me, there's a
confidence that the commanders have when it comes to dealing
(22:56):
with the Eagles that's gonna make them a tough out
for the eg is when they have to square off
a couple of times this year to settle who is
going to be the team to beat in the NFCS.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
So helped me out on the McLaurin thing, because again,
really i've been on the move.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
I haven't. I haven't.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
I don't know as much about that one to talk
about it.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
I mean I can't. I can't understand it, but I
do understand the.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Ru Does he want crazy? Does he want like way
above market?
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Like what is what is the well, well, I don't
know what what the issue would be, but I know
he's over thirty, okay, And so when we look at
the market, the way the market is kind of split.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
So DK metcalf top of the market.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
He signed his deal whatever it was, like I think
he put him at thirty something, but he was twenty
eight years old.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
Then you look at the over thirty.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Guys that signed, Devonte Adams and Mike Evans, they basically
signed two year deals that put them right between twenty
two and twenty four million.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Well, if you're mclauren and your numbers are better than DK,
and you and DK in the same class, and even
though on paper he's twenty eight year thirty, you're saying, well,
why can't I get Why can't I get that deal?
Why do I get to get the old man deal?
So it's just that part of it. And I am
not one that always leans towards the player, but I
(24:15):
think this when it comes to the franchise, when you
have a guy that is a face of the franchise type,
someone who exhibits all the qualities that you talk about. Hey,
young guys, y'all need to look at Terry because he
does it.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
The right way, on time, work ethic, plays, didn't matter
what they had at quarterback, he shows up, shows out.
The numbers speak for themselves. You just tended, like man,
just overpay.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Overpay to keep your guy just because he's been such
a good.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Player for you and he will continue to be a
good player. So I don't know.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
The challenge to me, just listen to it and factor
in the age. Look, we're all bolden to our experiences
that's gonna shape and form our opinions. I saw Keenan Allen,
you know, got older pretty quick. I saw Mike Williams
unfortunately had to retire as you know, work out there.
You know Tyler Lockett who was playing at a very
(25:11):
high level. Now we'll see where he is in his
his career. Like there's been a decent number of examples
of guys. I mean, Cooper Cup. Cooper Cup was at
the I mean, I know he got a little bit
of money here in DNA's you know what I mean.
I don't know that you want to go extend yourself
too far on that age.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
So so the funny thing, so Mike Evans and Davante
Adams signed two year.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Deals at over thirty.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I'm trying to figure out what DK.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
I think DK signed maybe a five year deal, but
that might have been the way they stretch out the
money out of the.
Speaker 3 (25:45):
Stretch out the money.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, So it's just a matter of how do you
want to do it, how do you want to get
out of there? How do you want to pay him?
But at some point you have to pay him. But
I do understand it. You want to be fiscally responsible
and his Deebo, Samuel Factor, Debo is in the last
year of his deal. You're gonna have to deal with that.
Are you going to have too high priced white house?
Like what is the structure of the team. But they
(26:06):
just needn't make sure that the locker room is okay
with Terry because if you bring in I mean, he's
on the team now, but if you bring in an
outside of for instance, like in Debo, and you pay
him and you don't pay the other guy, it just
makes people in the locker room just look a little
sideways upstairs. So this is a big one for AP.
I'm sure they'll get it figured out. But you just
want to make sure a band that chemistry is.
Speaker 2 (26:28):
So And that's for me. The key part of that
is maybe not so much the age, is just his
standing within the locker room, Like he is that guy,
so you know you'd like to have him happy. Same
thing we just said. You know, ideally you're okay with
overpaying a little bit on some of these things because
of the person and standing within the locker room. That
was this week's Hot or Not segment, brought to you
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dot com. Buck, I'm tired. I'm be honest with you
at anything else you want to Uh, you want to
toss in here before I go take a nap.
Speaker 3 (27:05):
No, I think you need to take a nap like that.
That is that is tough.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
I give you credit for showing up, but I know
that you've been positively impacted in influence by your time
with Jem Harbor.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
I would I would anticipate you.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Being in the front yard later h walking backwards with
the slid on your back, just kind of like trying
to make sure we're moving, trying to.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Keep clods, a lot of chances, poles, rope poles, you know,
tire flips, trying.
Speaker 3 (27:26):
To make sure we're trying to make sure we're getting
it done.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
I'll be honest with I. I had a day where
we didn't have anything, no no work, no responsibilities, there's
nothing going on family wise. So I went to play golf,
and uh, I've tried to play, like in the summer
once a week and stuff. But we went in. Of course,
we go to as twenty seven holes and you kind
of figure out which two nines you're playing. The guy
was like, look, we're wide open the day. You guys
want to play all twenty seven, you're good to go.
(27:51):
First time in my life i've played twenty seven holes
of golf. Buck, I don't know how these.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Guys do it.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
I don't know how these guys do it. I mean
we were moving because there were no there's nobody on,
so we were just kind of moving around. But man,
like my back I was like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
You talk about your backup. I'm thinking about your ability
to focus.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
That's a long day, you know what, you know, what
turns out, turns out I'm not a good eighteen hole golfer.
The last nine is where I that's where I shine.
I think that's when I'm a fatigued and then when
I just have too tired to have swing thoughts, like
when you're too when you're too tired, and just like
screw it, I'm just gonna I'm not gonna. I'm just
gonna stop thinking I'm a line up over the ball
and hit it. So the first eighteen of the last
(28:30):
nine was much better than my first eighteen. So I
think that's what I gotta do. I gotta go to
the golf course play nine before the golf round, when
nobody knows that you're even there, get out there, play nine,
and then just meet up with your group and go, okay,
let's go play now. I might I might need a
chiropractor after that, but uh yeah, I don't have. Gosh,
it is a I never thought. I never thought of
(28:52):
golf as like a demanding sport. But now when you
watch these tournaments and your if you're walking the course
and you're playing four days in a row like that
is that's not nothing like.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
That's uh, you gotta be you gotta be on it.
You gotta be able to one. I do believe, like
and Tiger did a lot to change it. I do
believe fitness is a big part of it because being
able to lock in, being able to as you talk
about where you're back and the where the stuff feels.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Your postures.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Yeah, when you get the day four, talk about moving
like that Sunday. To be able to finish it off,
you need to be able to last.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Our work it out last. That's what we're talking about. There.
Speaker 2 (29:22):
You go, all right, I'm gonna go get an app.
I appreciate you guys hanging with us. We'll see you
next time. Right here, I'm moving the sticks
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