August 19, 2025 • 37 mins
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks kick off the show by analyzing the Browns and Colts' decisions to name their starting quarterbacks, offering insight and advice for the newly appointed backups. (5:48)
Next, DJ and Bucky dive into Week 2 of the preseason, highlighting offensive improvements in Chicago and Seattle under new offensive coordinators. They also explain why fans should expect to see more of Jaxson Dart than Russell Wilson in New York this season. (17:11)
Finally, the duo discusses the contract situations involving Trey Hendrickson, Micah Parsons, and Terry McLaurin, evaluating the likelihood that each player secures the deal they’re seeking. (32:36)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ Buck with you Buck?
How are we doing?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Man? We're good. Dj uh, We're in it. I don't
know if it's a game week for your son this week.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
But you have Thursday. Man, we got we're we're out
in the desert. We're on Palm Desert on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Who you're playing? Oh? You tell me.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I think it's gonna be like one hundred and five.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Oh hydra Shoot.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'm tempted to go get the man. Some IV's like,
good night, Yeah, you guys play. You guys play Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, same thing. I am Thursday, Thursday Night, Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Nice. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Are we ready to go? We gonna throw it this year?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Or no? We throw it maybe the last half of
the year with a little more okay last Yeah, we're
gonna throw it. We throw it around the yard. I
can't say it's gonna be airy, but maybe maybe handful
of the throwers every now and then.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
This is my favorite part of the of the Fall
is just waking up on a Saturday morning and looking
at the Granada Hills charter box score my favorite.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So, speaking of the Fall, you turn me on to
the Netflix series. I can't stop watching.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Oh is it unbelievable?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I can't stop watching any given Saturday, like like DJ
it is so great and I love ball and look,
I'm an ACC guy played in the ACC. But I'm
bey honest with you. Going behind the scenes in the SEC,
an animal just is just a different animal. The intensity,
the way they get down, the hides and the lows,
(01:34):
the way the coaches are And I'm gonna say this,
and I'm look, I consider Brian Brian Kelly your friend.
The frustration that he exhibits coaching that team, right, like
watching him coach that team, I'll say this, and maybe
they turn it around this year. I just don't know
if it's a great fit, like in terms of like
how he goes and how they I just don't know
(01:55):
if it's a great mesh. When I think about what
he was and how many times he sat on our
program at Notre Dame and how he talked and the
kids did he just I just don't know if it messes,
you know, especially after seeing some of the behind the
scenes stuff that they were dealing with. I don't know,
but this is great man, Shane Beemer stuff, Clark Lee
(02:17):
and Vanderbilt. I just love it, man. I just love
the access because that would draw you in. And I
absolutely see what you talk about Diego Pavia what I'm
saying like he might not be a pro, but I
certainly would be intrigued hire him by having that personality
because when you talk about the thing that we have
said has become the new thing that everyone is looking
(02:38):
for at the secret sauce, the love it, the love
it factor is there with him.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
No, it's a fantastic series and it just gets you
fired up for college football, which is coming up this weekend.
By the way. Uh just that I wasn't scheduled to
do this when we're going to get to the NFL stuff.
On a second, I peaked. I called a couple guys
and I couldn't help myself, and I was like, hey,
I give me a couple give me a couple of
names of some college like before the season starts. Who
could I get fired up on that? Maybe's not getting
(03:03):
you know, a ton of buzz, but like who's a
good player so I can spin through it real quick?
So there is a tight end. Buck at Ohio State
transfer from Purdue Max Claire. So you're gonna see that
big first game Ohio State Texas, and it's gonna be
Jeremiah Smith and they got the freshman quarterback, Julian saying,
you got some of their stars, Caleb Downs on the
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defensive side of the ball. I'm just telling you, don't
be surprised if we come back together after that game
and we're sitting there going, like, dude, that tight end
from Ohio State is pretty dang good man. He is
really good.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, Like it's funny when you talk about a rich
getting richer. I love this part, Like it's funny, DJ
because we always are in tune with the college game
because of the draft in those things, but it's a
little harder with everyone bouncing around in those things. But
there is still something you talk about the athlon magazines
or seeing all the magazines that would be in the
drug stores, or when you go into the airport at
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the college preview, there's still something about the college game
that is magical and mystical. Abortion Like, I just love
that part of it. We talked about playing the video game.
I would play the college football game because there's so
many different styles and ways about going about it. There's
just nothing like college football. Nothing, There's nothing that I
can find that matches that energy, intensity and the fandom
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that people bring each and every weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, you're just not going to see NFL games. You're
not going to see a pan of the crowd, and
you're not going to see people crying during regular season
games tears buck flowing, I mean, living and dying every
single week.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
It's unbelievable. Everything, the rivalry games, just all of it,
like just people talk about the pageantry and there's some
hokey pokiness to it, but there's there's nothing literally literally.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Like the Tennessee Titans had the number one pick and
they could you know, they could go out and beat
the Philadelphia Eagles who won the Super Bowl, and nobody's
tearing down the goalpost or storm in the field. Buck
ho hum? Who do we play next week?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
No, none of it, none of none of the you
talk about rushing, the feel, none of the I mean, look,
I'll be honest, like watching those coaches go through it
every game is like a maylox mash.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Everybody that thinks those guys are so grossly overpaid and
it's insane go watch that seriously, see what goes on
behind the scenes. Man Living and Years after Life, Sam Fittman.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I guess Sean Biemer's wife talks about not wanting to
go out when they lose, stay in the house all
week week. But just yeah, we have the groceries delivered. Yeah,
that is a different that's a different animal.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
No question. Al Le's get some NFL stuff. It's time
for Hot or Not, brought to you by with Sabby
Hot Cloud Storage. We've got a couple of starters named.
We've got Joe Flacco named in Cleveland, and then the
one that came down a little bit before we started
recording here was Indianapolis colt Daniel Jones. I don't think
either one of us are surprised in the least with
either one of those. I guess maybe nationally or some
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fans maybe you know, thought, oh, maybe they'll go with
the Richardson because he's just a high pick. I didn't.
I never thought that, And to me, this was this
was just, this was inevitable.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
This is a mere formality. Like I knew Daniel Jones
or I expected Dan Jones to be the starting quarterback
from the jump as soon as he got signed. Given
the pressure that is on the head coach and the
general manager to win, you don't go and get Daniel
Jones and pay him the money that you paid him
and expect him to be the backup. And then when
Anthony Richardson opened the door, I mean through no fault
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of his own, maybe some would say, but maybe through
his fault not being able to understand the protection. When
he goes to the sideline with a dislocated finger, I
was like, Oh, there it is, roll out the red carpet.
Here comes Danny Dimes to be the starting quarterback. And
then in Cleveland, in Cleveland, I think this is a
case of just the familiarity, the confidence try us that
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you have in Look, the guy who led you to
the playoffs two seasons ago played really well down the stretch.
You've seen him thrive in your offense. And even though
the paper says that he's forty, your eyes tell you
what you saw two years ago when he got this
offense up and going. It's not a surprise. The mystery
to me is gonna be who's QB two? Because when
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Kevin Stefanski says they're not keeping four quarterbacks, did.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
He actually come out and say they're not keeping four.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
He intimated He intimated that they weren't going to keep
four quarterbacks, But I mean, how do you keep for
if you keep four? I mean I can understand it
because I'm be honest with you, DJ, you don't have
a rookie as your backup quarterback behind Joe Flacco. Joe
Flacco's forty. I mean, even though we talked about it
going well, he's a play away from a rookie kind
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of holding all of their hopes. Are we confident that
Dylan Gabrielicia, Dr Sanders ready for that role those responsibilities.
But then the other thing is, all right, Pikett has
it played the entire preseason? Like, how do we make
a decision on it? If you know?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Sorry, Yeah, I'm fascinated to see what happens with it. Man, Yeah,
this is the quote Gavin who's producing for us now
hit in the chat. You know, I'd like to keep everybody,
but not realistic so interesting interesting. Nonetheless, my thing is
I just still don't know where Kenny Pickett, how that
works and fits in there because I don't know this.
(08:32):
I don't want to sound harsh, but if they cut
Kenny Pickett and keep the two rookies, as you say, right,
because you want to keep you don't want to lose
the rookies. You want to keep developing them and working
with them. If something happened to Joe Flacco, can you
go out on the street and find someone that's at
least of similar ability to Kenny Pickett, at least in
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that range. I mean, there's gonna be guys that are
going to be available and be cut here, and there's
gonna be guys that are put on practice squad betteran guys.
But is there not going to just be a veteran
stop gap that if those rookies weren't ready to play,
you can go on the street. I mean they did it.
They did it when they brought in Joe Flacco the
first time.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I mean, I guess you can do that, but it's
like that's the way that you really want to operate.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I guess, let's look, there's no there's no I mean,
I go back to the Indianapolis Colts and the Peyton
Manning years and Tom Moore and Tom Wore is the
offensive coordinator. They asked him, how do you divy up
the reps? And he said, I give Peyton Manning one
hundred percent of the reps and they said, well, well
what happened. Why why don't you give the backups anything?
Because what if something happens to Peyton Manning. He goes,
if something happens to Peyton Manning, we're screwed. I don't
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want to practice being screwed. So that was his, uh,
his kind of like famous line there like that, Okay, yeah,
if emergency, well that we're done, like if Joe Flacco
can't play and we have to play rookies, then maybe
they're looking at that saying, well, that's not going our
way anyway. So you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I mean, this is bad, this is hope, is a
bad strategy. Let's wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I just I just you know, I would like their
thing is we're not going to cut one of these
rookies because they have upside and promise and we need
to roster both of them because we don't know what
they are yet. Whereas with Kenny, like Kenny, yeah, he's
still young, hasn't played a ton, there's still growth there,
but I think he's a little bit more known. So
wouldn't you rather work and develop the unknown? I don't know.
(10:21):
That's a tricky situation there. But to answer the original question,
no surprise at all that Joe flackos the start they
didn't really have a choice.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Now they didn't have a choice either way. So in
both situations, DJ like I think they were stating the obvious.
Now that we know, I think the conversation in both
cases we've talked about Dylan Gable and Shuder sand is enough.
We know that the Browns are in rebuild mode, identification
mode when it comes to a franchise quarterback. But for
the Coast, I don't know what this means for Anthony Richardson.
(10:49):
You know he's talked about he's one play away. I
got to presume on one play away from me in
the starting quarterback again. But man, this has to be
very disappointing if you're the organization. Fourth overall pick hasn't
been able to stay on the field, and when he
has been on the field, it's been madly inconsistent. Where
do we go from here? And this is one where,
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you know, DJ, every reaction causes a reaction. This is
one where it was tools over performance and production.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And even experience, and.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The tools haven't won out right, now, so what does
that mean for the next Toolsy player that comes out
that doesn't have the stuff because it hasn't really gone
well for the tools he guys. Right, we can talk
about Anthony Richards and in a way you can talk
a little bit about Trey Lance with the lack of experience,
but the tools that you saw, we've just seen experience matters.
Doesn't necessarily work in Kenny Pickt's favor. But for a
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lot of the guys that have had immediate success and
to sustained success, they played a lot of college game
and those reps translated into success.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I think even though these guys had played a lot,
I think that this all goes back to Mahomes and
Josh of guys who were freak show talents still needed
to be developed, still needed, you know, work to be
done there at the next level, and they hit massively.
You know, you've got MVPs. Uh, you've got Super Bowls
obviously with Mahomes. So I think that that talent over
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everything has still carried on for a long time. But
I mean, like Zach Wilson hadn't played a ton, you know,
but had a lot of raw talent. Krey Lance hadn't
played a ton, had a lot of raw talent. Like
we can go all through the through the list of
guys here, Anthony Richardson is just one of the one
of the latest here. But I think the you know,
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it's why you can't just have universal rules. You've you've
got to evaluate each of these guys individually, and you've
got to evaluate the person as much as the player. Buck.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, I mean you have to do that. You have to.
We talked about it's the intangibles, it's the qualities on
the inside. Is how you show up to work every day?
Is how much do you love it? And does your
love your love translate into these actions and habits that
we want to see from an player, Meaning you show
up early, you stay late, you do all the film,
you do all the other stuff that you need to
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do in the building and away from the building to
put yourself in a position to succeed and play at
a high level when you get your chance. Because if
I am in evaluated, if I'm a decision maker, look, man,
I'll go down with someone who is like that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
If someone gives me everything, they pour everything into it
and it doesn't work out. But if You're a talented
guy and the work has him been there will now
I have no place for you because you haven't given
me your hard day's work that I can back you
and support you when all of the criticism comes through.
I think now more than ever, you better find guys
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that love it and their actions match their words when
it comes to saying they love it.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
So, if I was if I was advising Anthony Richardson,
if I was a friend and agent, parent, whatever, this
is the two pieces of advice I would give them.
Number one, for still, I would say greater than fifty
percent chance that either do to injury or performance, you're
going to get another opportunity on this Colts team this year,
So you know, do not let up, stay up with
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your preparation, get ready to go, because you're more than
likely going to get another opportunity there. If you're on
this roster, I would think that's you know, the odds
of either Daniel Jones getting nicked up or Daniel Jones
having some performance issues. There's a good chance you get
a chance to plague in this year, so you better
be ready for it. The second thing I would tell
you is thinking from a long term perspective, Buck, We've
now seen it. We've seen it with with Baker Mayfield,
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with Sam Darnold, with Geno Smith. This is not the
end of your journey, man, like you have everything still
to accomplish. You're still very young. I've seen it, and
I think Trey Lance is in year five, Trey Lance
look like a different human being under Jim Harbaugh and
with the Chargers, there is I mean he's got a chance. Yeah.
Look if if he doesn't get an opportunity next year
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to go compete somewhere, I'd be surprised just with the
flashes that he's shown and the improvement that he's shown
this year. So it's not over, is what I'm getting
at with Anthy Richards.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
No, and when you're someone that's drafted as high as
he was, you can get multiple bites at the apple
because one man's trash is another person's treasure and the
thing that you have with him. We talked about the
tools and the trades. There's always going to be someone
that is willing to take on a quarterback project, particularly
as an off season thing. Let's be honest. So you
don't get bored, right, if you have a veteran you
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have a veteran quarterback who is well established and is
doing this thing. You want someone in the building that
you can start to work with and build on, and
maybe you get a cheap option. You see it right
now when you're looking at Trey Lance and what he's
been able to do with the Chargers and how he's grown,
and how that kind of invigorates everyone that is touching
the quarterback. Because you have justin Herbert there, there's a
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path for him. But I'm gonna say this, Anthony Richardson
should pay close attention to how Daniel Jones goes about
doing his work and really master the art of being
a profession I was started there. I would say, master
the art of being professional. Watch what his routine is
as he gets ready for a game week. Because he's
been in this for a long time. What can I
steal from his routine or how he goes about his
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work week? Because we always ask those questions to quarterbacks, Hey,
what's your week look like? How do you get ready
to play? Maybe, and let's be fair, maybe Anthony Richardson
needs someone to model that form so we can take
that in and have his own process. I've heard Alex
Smith talking about how Chase Daniel passed along Drew Brees's
program and process for getting ready and how he showed
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that to Pat Mahomes and how it goes. We all
have to figure out a way to prepare how to play,
and once we get their routine, it allows us to
play at a high level.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, you need to continue to grow even if you're
not on the field. So that's a good challenge there
to Anthony Richardson. All right, that was this week's Hot
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quick pause here, come back this topic. I want to
hit you on here some new offensive coordinators, what their
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offenses look like, and why we might see some big
time turnarounds in a couple of locales would get to
that right after this, my Bucks. I was watching the
Bears the other night and everybody saw Caleb Williams look great.
Look Pageent came in, he looked great. It's a different
look on offense with Ben Johnson. I don't want to
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read too much into the preseason, but there is something
to get to with what that looks like. And then
also did some study and some homework on the Seahawks
and watched their first two games. Offensively with Clinton Kubiak
at the helm, Sam Darnold's in there, they've upgraded that
offensive line, Gray's Abels playing lights out. But the topic
I want to hit you on, it's just how important
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it is marrying your scheme with your talent. And at
least from the preseason, these look like great fits in
Chicago and Seattle.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Okay, I got to say this, man, because I did
a deep dive on Caleb Williams yesterday. Like I just
watched and watched all the throws, watch how they operated.
So I watched the cut up and then I watched
the game action, and I'm gonna say, DJ, You're right.
You talk about marrying assistant to suit the talents of
the player. That's what the Bears have done. And I
know what people will say, Hey, they're playing against the
backups and those things. And as we say, the preseason
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doesn't count, but it does matter. You want to see
noticeable progress and strides from your top players, particularly young quarterbacks.
And what I saw is Ben Johnson put Caleb Williams
in an offense that suits his talents. They went up
on the center early so a little bootlet come out
to play to his athleticism. In the offseason they went
and got another tight end, Coston Lovelin, to match up
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with Cole Camet. So where did the first three completions go?
Tight end, tight end, tight end, right down the middle
of the field. And the thing that I'll say this
watching Caleb Williams comfortably attack the middle of the field, DJ,
you and I know that there's hidden yardage in the
middle of the field if you can be good at
being able to play that cat and mouse game with
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the underneath linebacker. Is where hey, you put a little
cheese and every time they eat the cheese and you
hit the dig right behind it. Kayla Williams was doing it,
and I think it's not only the concepts, but it
was the discipline, the detail where it was on time
and it was on target. That's the Kayla Williams that
the Chicago Bear signed up for when they made them
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the number one overall bit.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, and I also love one of the most simple
things you'll hear people talk about it on broadcasts all
the time, But like you always say, you want to
see the ball go through the hoop. Like I always
talk about, ah, man, just get let's let's let's ease
into it. Let's not jump into the deep end. Let's
ease in here. Get me some completions, let me find
a rhythm. And if you can do it on the move,
even better because just kind of it just kind of
calms you down. First play, boot lay up flat like okay,
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we're cooking, and then it just kind of gets you
into a rhythm, into a flow of the game. And
I think, really good play colors understand how to get
quarterbacks comfortable and help them get into that rhythm. But
I'm looking at that team and I'm looking at an
interior offensive line that's upgraded. You look out and you
across the landscape, and Luther and Berdon got loose a
little bit later, has had a great camp. DJ Moore,
You've got two tight ends, Like, there is a lot
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of different ways they can hit you.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Look, man, they they are hitting you in. So it
wasn't just like a taking advantage of the tight ends.
It was Ben Johnson putting a scheme in but still
utilizing the premise players over plays. Yeah, so it's not
just the designs. It was man, okay, I saw the
ball early go to the top players, Coaston Lovelin, I
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Dncy Cole commit. Oh, DJ boy gets two. You know
the only one who didn't touch it early in that
drive was Roma Doonzak. But the switch route.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
He's been nails all camp. Everything that you hear and
see and read has been awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, the switch route that he ran for the touchdowns
is the cass DJ.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I't even mention him.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I mean, just like they set it up, they run
the switch they catch him at man coverage, they run
the switch route, so now they put him in favorable
leverage when the DB's on the outside, so when he
breaks inside, he has an advantage. And I was like, oh, yeah,
this is gonna be problematic.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And look, man, Ben Johnson was in his bag and
it was just subtle because you know he has so
much more, but it was just seeing Caleb kayleb Williams
in rhythm.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I don't want to make too much of it, but
it was super positive watching it. And later on I
just want to mention I saw Brian dave All getting
his bag with Jackson dark. Look. I don't want to
say this, but I feel like Russell Wilson is going
to be in the corner like.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Just try and try and trying to.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Survive, just trying to fight them all. But when we
talk about marrying system and player, I'm seeing dad in
New York with Jackson dark, just like I saw it
in Chicago with kayleb wi.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So on the dark thing, I've said this and I
think we're on the same page. We're going to see
more Jackson Dart than Russell Wilson this year. Is just
a matter of how much Russell Wilson gets before that
keys the carget handed over. But the thing with the
Giants is the defense is going to be good, especially
their front could be potentially dominant. And so if you're
the head coach, you're saying, Okay, I know, I know
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he's young. I know Dart might not totally be ready,
but man, just with his leg, just the component of
his athleticism, if we can manufacture a couple we don't
need a lot. Man, can we manufacture seventeen to twenty points,
you know, protect the football, playfield position, he runs around,
makes a couple of plays like, man, we could be
you know, we could be able to save ourselves here.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, it look so here here's the thing, right, And
I've said that it's funny how quickly time flies. If
Brian Dabolo is able to lead the Giants to the
playoffs with Daniel Jones, he absolutely can do it with
Jackson dark because at the time that Daniel Jones led
the Giants to the playoffs, he had a fifteen to
five touchdown to interception ratio. They did a great job
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of running the ball, taking care of the ball, some
selective pass plays Daniel Jones, but he utilized his legs.
What I saw from the Giants the other day was,
honestly man a hyper version of the old Miss offense.
I saw quicks, I saw slow screens, I saw rhythm throws, RPOs.
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And I was sitting there like it's not a regular
season game. But I'm sitting here saying, if he can
go fourteen for sixteen operating an offense that is very
similar to the offense that he ran in college, while
utilizing his legs, why wouldn't you eventually hand him the
ball and say, if my defense is going to keep
the score down, we can get a running game. And
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I know how to play with this kind of player.
I know how to play with an athlete, and we
all have a sweet tooth. DJ. There's certain things that
we like, right, Some people like pies, so we were
like cakes, donuts or whatever. Brian Daboll has a sweet
tooth for an athletic quarterback. You give him an athletic quarterback,
he can make happen. We saw with Josh Allen, we
saw parts of it with Daniel Jones, Jackson Dart. He
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can make work. I'm confident that this is going to workout.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, I'm excited to see it. And we'll see how
long before that that move gets made there. I mentioned
the other one though, What was your take on Seattle?
Just watching them? To me, I just think that Kubiak system, obviously,
it's something that Sam Donald's comfortable with. Back to the
you know, back to the defense, play action boot him.
It just they look good. Man looked like a different offense.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
It absolutely looked like a different offense. And man, it's
just so different when you game plan and set it
up for your quarterback. And I think it's also easy
when you look at what the Minnesota Vikings did to
help him get going to use a continuation of that,
you know, Nanda there's been a blueprint established for how
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to get Sam Donald playing at a high level. Don't
reinvent the will. Maybe change the will, enhance the will,
but don't reinvent it. And that's what it looks like
the Seattle Seahawks you're trying to do. They're trying to
take what he did well in Minnesota and find their
own way to be able to replicate that while maintaining
true to the way they want to be their identity is.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yet I was trying to find the trying to find
the quote here. So I was I was doing Seattle
show and they were talking about that offense and they
pulled a quote I couldn't find it on. Jake Bobo
had a quote and saying what he likes so much
about the offense and how they're running the ball well
and what they're doing. He said, the first ten yards,
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like the first ten yards are our path, whether it's
run or pass, are exactly the same. So in other words,
like we're going to crack, we're going to motion, and
we're going to crack, We're on that same exact path.
We're cracking in one play and ten minutes later we're
running right by him. But everything from a defensive standpoint,
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the picture running pass looks the same, looks exactly the same. Man,
And I don't know. I was asked how many how
many people do you think do that at a very
high level. I don't think there's many that are that
consistent with making that stuff. And that goes back to
his dad. That's what Gary Kubiak, and that goes Mike Shanahan.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
So I'm gonna say this like one of the things.
And I've said this because I've seen some things that
are very similar to that when I watched the Jaguars,
because they're using a version of what the Rams do offensively,
what the Rams did back in twenty eighteen. Liam Fulm
was assistant wide receiver coach, so he saw Sean McVay
worked at as they've rebuilt Jered Goff, And part of
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what they're doing is trying to make everything look the
same to the defense. The run game, the run action,
and that includes all of the action, not just the
interior core tied in and line running back's path, but
the receivers condensed sets, snug formations. You got them inside,
so then climb up on the safeties. Well, now you
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know what happens after that they climb up on the safeties.
But now one guy runs a post and the other
guy runs a deepot play action. I mean, how many
times do we want to see that? But this is
what it is. And for the defense, it's hard because
that crack motion at debt and it's almost like the
catalling the little ball of yarn. You just get so
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used to it, you get mesmerized, you fall asleep, and
then they hit you in the explosive play. That's what
Koubyek has done, That's what Shanahan. That's what they've done
for years, and their sons have done it for years.
So it's a big part of how they get down offensive.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Now the quote here haven't pulled it up. I mean,
you guys are gonna see it. But it's really cool
what Koobs is doing. He's marrying up at least for
just receivers. We're all in the same path for the
first ten yards of a play, whether we're running outside
zone or we're running boot action play action off of it. So,
man's that's tough on a defense. I think I was
going to ask you about that sidebar. I mean, we
live in an over league, man, It is a It
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is a deep over crosser league. We get so much
too high coverage. Just I don't know if we see
as many vertical pops, but the explosive plays are coming
on all these over routes. Man, that's a preseason.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Because DJ I would say this as a dB, it
is the hardest thing to play and the reason why,
and it doesn't matter if you're in split safety coverage
or single high coverage. The reason why is when you
run the combination the posts deep over and if you
do it from condensed sets. As a defense, you have
to make a decision how are we going to handle it? Right?
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So when I was in Oakland, I played with teams.
We would call it roll the post. So if I'm
on the side where my guy is running the deep over,
I let him go to the other side and I'm
falling back into the post that's coming from the opposite direction.
If I'm the gual on the post, I stay on
top of the post. But the safety that's in the middle,
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he's going to drive the Oah. It takes one so
much communication to be able to pull that off. It
takes the identification in the pre snap game. But what
do those guys do shift motion. They make it hard
to identify when it could be coming, and then it
takes the execution. But that takes reps in practice to
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be able to pull off. And the reason why you're
seeing these things explode in the preseason, so many disjointed
jukes playing together twos and three, he's ones and twos.
Everyone is not on the same page in the back end,
and when you have a miscommunication, it leads to a
home run ball. That is an explosive play, and that
is what the offense is banking.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Dan Casey, who's a great follow. If you don't follow, uh,
listen and don't follow Dan Casey, this great job. Puts
out plays all the time. He sends out you can
get on his mailing lest he'll send out to play
every single day. He's got thousands and thousands of coaches
that subscribe to it. But he was showing some stuff.
I remember who it was, but what it was was like,
we are running routes. We are like it's almost like
a grab as well. I would just refer to it
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as is. We are we have a tight end and
we have so we're going to have a say, we
have a whole defender, we are running right to him
and we are posting him and we're trying to just
grab him attention. And then we are right behind. So
what would you call that? What would you call that
route where you're going on it?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, grab because you're trying to grab his attention and
all you're looking for is the quarterback. Is he says
his feet down or he comes towards that, it's something
right behind. And as a defender, we always talk about
it in terms of don't eat the cheese. If there's
something in front of you, there's something coming behind you.
So when that thing is in front of you, you
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gotta let it go. Some people use it as the
note cover zone. Hey, let that go. We're not going
to cover that. If they want to complete that coopl,
we'll let them have that. But what happens dj you
see it over and over and you see the completion
and in some point you're not disciplined enough to stay
to it, so you jump it and then the big
thing comes behind it. That's what it comes down to,
(30:35):
And you're playing this cat and mouse game, the entire
game on the quarterback, and if the quarterback is disciplined,
you can't win because you have to take Look, just hey,
just let them take the check down.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Take the checkdown.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
But as defenders, we get tired of seeing completions. And
people say this because I've been on both sides of
the ball on defense. We're like, hey, make them take
the checkdown, make them take the checkdown. But here's what happened.
And I heard this from a quarterback coach. Every completion matters,
Every completion impacts the defense. So as we talk about
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a may, we're gonna let him have but DJ Naturally,
if you keep seeing them catch passes, you get frustrated.
Then one guy plays a hero, he jumps it, and
then that's when the explosive play happens. It comes down
to discipline on both sides. If the quarterback is disciplined,
he's gonna win. If the defense is disciplined, he will
eventually win. It's a batter of wills.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, it's so interesting to me just how you know, Look,
I just on the crappy you know college teams that
I played on like everything was just landmarks, everything was distance,
everything was steps, and now it's just like no, no, no,
this is where your path is. Wherever the defender is,
we are you are getting in his vision. You whatever
you gotta do to get in his vision and grab him.
That's what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, because if I can get him, I'm trying to
move him. I want him to move, so I want
him to lock eyes with me. See me, I sit down.
He now reacts to it. That The second completion that
Kayla Williams had to Loveland is kind of kind of
an over But on the opposite side, they sit a
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guy down right at like eight yards in front of
the linebacker and the linebacker's like, oh, I go, I
got him. I got him, And as soon as he goes,
you see Caleb let it go right over his ear
or completion. That's the hard part. When you're playing zone,
that's the hard part because they're trying to grab your
attention and if you're not disciplined, it does lead to
those big, big windows.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, it's interesting. It's exciting to see what some of
these offenses are going to look like going forward. Last
thing before we get out of here, Buck, there's two
players out there. McLaurin doesn't actually I should say three.
McLaurin doesn't have a deal, Hendrickson doesn't have a deal,
and Mike hah Parson still doesn't have a deal. I
think we're probably on the same page, and that Jerry
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eventually's gonna do gonna end up paying Michael Parsons. He
just seems to always do that after you kind of
drag this whole thing out. The other two I don't either,
But of the other two, I'm leaning more towards Hendrickson
as being the only one that has an actual chance
of getting moved. I don't like it, but that would
be the only one that would that I could see
changing teams. Now, maybe if you're listening to this, maybe
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mclaurin's already been traded by their window where they are
right now. I don't see them doing that. And you
could say that you can make the same argument for Cincinnati,
except for the fact since I just paid so many
guys that that that's the only one. I'm a little bit.
Let's see what think comes on.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I think I think Cincinnati's out a cast. They made
a decision. They basically made a choice of t Higgins
over Trey Hendrickson. Like when they decided to bring that
duo back on offense, they were giving up the pass
rushing and I understand it, and by not being on
the front end of it, not getting this deal done
last year the previous year, what they did is they
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waded into waters that now they can't swim in. Because
when Miles Garrett and TJ. Watt signed their deals to
push him into forty million annually category, and Trey Hendrickson's
production is right in that in line with their production,
you don't get the discount. You have Miles Crosby and
Daniel Hunter who signed extend Max Crosby. I'm sorry, Max
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Crosby and those guys. So they're at thirty five million annually. Jay.
If I'm Tray Hendrickson, that's great, But my numbers are
more than the forty million category. Yeah, I can't settle
for thirty. I was just trying to get thirty. Now
you have to pay me close to forty. Man. Slow.
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When you go slow, man, you end up paying more
in these deals. Man, It's better to be on the
front end of the situation. I just don't know. They
say they want a first round pick and a player.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
There's no they're not getting that. I mean, I don't
think they'll get a first round pick. I think it's
I think it's a day two pick and a player.
If you want to go that way, I think you
could pull that off. I don't see anybody doing that.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I mean, and because he's still thirty thirty one years old,
like you're still talking about an older Yeah, you have
to pay him, and that team has to have money.
Now some of the people have talked about like the
Chargers have the money, they have the cash the potential
to be able to do it. The Carolina Panthers have
the cash to be able to potentially do it. There's
a connection with him. And obviously the Indianapolis Colts with
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lou and Aroumo being there, they got young past rushers.
If they're going for broke and they're in save job mode,
like maybe there, But I don't know. I don't know
where he gets moved because some of the stuff that
you're hearing gets pine the sky, like him going to Detroit.
I think that's too tough. Money doesn't work. But it
a managed to see where Trey Henderson lands.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, we'll see something to keep an eye on as
we come down the home stretch here. Jack's who you
got this week?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Buck Miami In Miami, don't expect to see anybody but
not many people play. This is gonna be one for
all the roster guys trying to duke it out, which
can be fun trying to figure out how those guys
are going to You're the last spots on the rosstand,
the practice squat spots. Uh be fun.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
See Yep, I'll be up in the Bay Area. We
got the Chargers Niners, and that'll wrap up the preseason
and then shoot, before you know it'd be off to
Brazil September fifth. Get this thing kicked off with the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I want. I wonder what your little sensitive temmy. I
wonder what are you going.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I'm packing protein bars. I'm i'm an. I won't leave
the hotel, no chances, no chances. My stomach's not I mean, look,
you gotta scout. You gotta be able to self evaluate,
buck a little awareness. I would love to go out
and get some authentic Brazilian food. I would love it.
I would love it for about fifteen minutes and then
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it would not love me, and then I just can't
do it.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
My god, my god, my guy. Protein bars.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
That's it. I'm gonna got three days, three days where
the protein bars and maybe some pre cereal.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Oh my gosh, you mean nice and slim though, you
mean nice and nice and skinny.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, come back as a freaking arathoner. All right, that's
gonna do it for us today. I hope you guys
have enjoyed it. We'll see you next time. I'll move
the sticks.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
H h h
And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ Buck with you Buck?
How are we doing?
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Man? We're good. Dj uh, We're in it. I don't
know if it's a game week for your son this week.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
But you have Thursday. Man, we got we're we're out
in the desert. We're on Palm Desert on Thursday.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Who you're playing? Oh? You tell me.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
I think it's gonna be like one hundred and five.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Oh hydra Shoot.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
I'm tempted to go get the man. Some IV's like,
good night, Yeah, you guys play. You guys play Friday.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, same thing. I am Thursday, Thursday Night, Thursday night.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Nice. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
Are we ready to go? We gonna throw it this year?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Or no? We throw it maybe the last half of
the year with a little more okay last Yeah, we're
gonna throw it. We throw it around the yard. I
can't say it's gonna be airy, but maybe maybe handful
of the throwers every now and then.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
This is my favorite part of the of the Fall
is just waking up on a Saturday morning and looking
at the Granada Hills charter box score my favorite.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
So, speaking of the Fall, you turn me on to
the Netflix series. I can't stop watching.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Oh is it unbelievable?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I can't stop watching any given Saturday, like like DJ
it is so great and I love ball and look,
I'm an ACC guy played in the ACC. But I'm
bey honest with you. Going behind the scenes in the SEC,
an animal just is just a different animal. The intensity,
the way they get down, the hides and the lows,
(01:34):
the way the coaches are And I'm gonna say this,
and I'm look, I consider Brian Brian Kelly your friend.
The frustration that he exhibits coaching that team, right, like
watching him coach that team, I'll say this, and maybe
they turn it around this year. I just don't know
if it's a great fit, like in terms of like
how he goes and how they I just don't know
(01:55):
if it's a great mesh. When I think about what
he was and how many times he sat on our
program at Notre Dame and how he talked and the
kids did he just I just don't know if it messes,
you know, especially after seeing some of the behind the
scenes stuff that they were dealing with. I don't know,
but this is great man, Shane Beemer stuff, Clark Lee
(02:17):
and Vanderbilt. I just love it, man. I just love
the access because that would draw you in. And I
absolutely see what you talk about Diego Pavia what I'm
saying like he might not be a pro, but I
certainly would be intrigued hire him by having that personality
because when you talk about the thing that we have
said has become the new thing that everyone is looking
(02:38):
for at the secret sauce, the love it, the love
it factor is there with him.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
No, it's a fantastic series and it just gets you
fired up for college football, which is coming up this weekend.
By the way. Uh just that I wasn't scheduled to
do this when we're going to get to the NFL stuff.
On a second, I peaked. I called a couple guys
and I couldn't help myself, and I was like, hey,
I give me a couple give me a couple of
names of some college like before the season starts. Who
could I get fired up on that? Maybe's not getting
(03:03):
you know, a ton of buzz, but like who's a
good player so I can spin through it real quick?
So there is a tight end. Buck at Ohio State
transfer from Purdue Max Claire. So you're gonna see that
big first game Ohio State Texas, and it's gonna be
Jeremiah Smith and they got the freshman quarterback, Julian saying,
you got some of their stars, Caleb Downs on the
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defensive side of the ball. I'm just telling you, don't
be surprised if we come back together after that game
and we're sitting there going, like, dude, that tight end
from Ohio State is pretty dang good man. He is
really good.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Yeah, Like it's funny when you talk about a rich
getting richer. I love this part, Like it's funny, DJ
because we always are in tune with the college game
because of the draft in those things, but it's a
little harder with everyone bouncing around in those things. But
there is still something you talk about the athlon magazines
or seeing all the magazines that would be in the
drug stores, or when you go into the airport at
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the college preview, there's still something about the college game
that is magical and mystical. Abortion Like, I just love
that part of it. We talked about playing the video game.
I would play the college football game because there's so
many different styles and ways about going about it. There's
just nothing like college football. Nothing, There's nothing that I
can find that matches that energy, intensity and the fandom
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that people bring each and every weekend.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Well, you're just not going to see NFL games. You're
not going to see a pan of the crowd, and
you're not going to see people crying during regular season
games tears buck flowing, I mean, living and dying every
single week.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
It's unbelievable. Everything, the rivalry games, just all of it,
like just people talk about the pageantry and there's some
hokey pokiness to it, but there's there's nothing literally literally.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Like the Tennessee Titans had the number one pick and
they could you know, they could go out and beat
the Philadelphia Eagles who won the Super Bowl, and nobody's
tearing down the goalpost or storm in the field. Buck
ho hum? Who do we play next week?
Speaker 1 (05:08):
No, none of it, none of none of the you
talk about rushing, the feel, none of the I mean, look,
I'll be honest, like watching those coaches go through it
every game is like a maylox mash.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Everybody that thinks those guys are so grossly overpaid and
it's insane go watch that seriously, see what goes on
behind the scenes. Man Living and Years after Life, Sam Fittman.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I guess Sean Biemer's wife talks about not wanting to
go out when they lose, stay in the house all
week week. But just yeah, we have the groceries delivered. Yeah,
that is a different that's a different animal.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
No question. Al Le's get some NFL stuff. It's time
for Hot or Not, brought to you by with Sabby
Hot Cloud Storage. We've got a couple of starters named.
We've got Joe Flacco named in Cleveland, and then the
one that came down a little bit before we started
recording here was Indianapolis colt Daniel Jones. I don't think
either one of us are surprised in the least with
either one of those. I guess maybe nationally or some
(06:08):
fans maybe you know, thought, oh, maybe they'll go with
the Richardson because he's just a high pick. I didn't.
I never thought that, And to me, this was this
was just, this was inevitable.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
This is a mere formality. Like I knew Daniel Jones
or I expected Dan Jones to be the starting quarterback
from the jump as soon as he got signed. Given
the pressure that is on the head coach and the
general manager to win, you don't go and get Daniel
Jones and pay him the money that you paid him
and expect him to be the backup. And then when
Anthony Richardson opened the door, I mean through no fault
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of his own, maybe some would say, but maybe through
his fault not being able to understand the protection. When
he goes to the sideline with a dislocated finger, I
was like, Oh, there it is, roll out the red carpet.
Here comes Danny Dimes to be the starting quarterback. And
then in Cleveland, in Cleveland, I think this is a
case of just the familiarity, the confidence try us that
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you have in Look, the guy who led you to
the playoffs two seasons ago played really well down the stretch.
You've seen him thrive in your offense. And even though
the paper says that he's forty, your eyes tell you
what you saw two years ago when he got this
offense up and going. It's not a surprise. The mystery
to me is gonna be who's QB two? Because when
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Kevin Stefanski says they're not keeping four quarterbacks, did.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
He actually come out and say they're not keeping four.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
He intimated He intimated that they weren't going to keep
four quarterbacks, But I mean, how do you keep for
if you keep four? I mean I can understand it
because I'm be honest with you, DJ, you don't have
a rookie as your backup quarterback behind Joe Flacco. Joe
Flacco's forty. I mean, even though we talked about it
going well, he's a play away from a rookie kind
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of holding all of their hopes. Are we confident that
Dylan Gabrielicia, Dr Sanders ready for that role those responsibilities.
But then the other thing is, all right, Pikett has
it played the entire preseason? Like, how do we make
a decision on it? If you know?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Sorry, Yeah, I'm fascinated to see what happens with it. Man, Yeah,
this is the quote Gavin who's producing for us now
hit in the chat. You know, I'd like to keep everybody,
but not realistic so interesting interesting. Nonetheless, my thing is
I just still don't know where Kenny Pickett, how that
works and fits in there because I don't know this.
(08:32):
I don't want to sound harsh, but if they cut
Kenny Pickett and keep the two rookies, as you say, right,
because you want to keep you don't want to lose
the rookies. You want to keep developing them and working
with them. If something happened to Joe Flacco, can you
go out on the street and find someone that's at
least of similar ability to Kenny Pickett, at least in
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that range. I mean, there's gonna be guys that are
going to be available and be cut here, and there's
gonna be guys that are put on practice squad betteran guys.
But is there not going to just be a veteran
stop gap that if those rookies weren't ready to play,
you can go on the street. I mean they did it.
They did it when they brought in Joe Flacco the
first time.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I mean, I guess you can do that, but it's
like that's the way that you really want to operate.
Speaker 2 (09:12):
I guess, let's look, there's no there's no I mean,
I go back to the Indianapolis Colts and the Peyton
Manning years and Tom Moore and Tom Wore is the
offensive coordinator. They asked him, how do you divy up
the reps? And he said, I give Peyton Manning one
hundred percent of the reps and they said, well, well
what happened. Why why don't you give the backups anything?
Because what if something happens to Peyton Manning. He goes,
if something happens to Peyton Manning, we're screwed. I don't
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want to practice being screwed. So that was his, uh,
his kind of like famous line there like that, Okay, yeah,
if emergency, well that we're done, like if Joe Flacco
can't play and we have to play rookies, then maybe
they're looking at that saying, well, that's not going our
way anyway. So you know, it is what it is.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
I mean, this is bad, this is hope, is a
bad strategy. Let's wrong.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
I just I just you know, I would like their
thing is we're not going to cut one of these
rookies because they have upside and promise and we need
to roster both of them because we don't know what
they are yet. Whereas with Kenny, like Kenny, yeah, he's
still young, hasn't played a ton, there's still growth there,
but I think he's a little bit more known. So
wouldn't you rather work and develop the unknown? I don't know.
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That's a tricky situation there. But to answer the original question,
no surprise at all that Joe flackos the start they
didn't really have a choice.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Now they didn't have a choice either way. So in
both situations, DJ like I think they were stating the obvious.
Now that we know, I think the conversation in both
cases we've talked about Dylan Gable and Shuder sand is enough.
We know that the Browns are in rebuild mode, identification
mode when it comes to a franchise quarterback. But for
the Coast, I don't know what this means for Anthony Richardson.
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You know he's talked about he's one play away. I
got to presume on one play away from me in
the starting quarterback again. But man, this has to be
very disappointing if you're the organization. Fourth overall pick hasn't
been able to stay on the field, and when he
has been on the field, it's been madly inconsistent. Where
do we go from here? And this is one where,
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you know, DJ, every reaction causes a reaction. This is
one where it was tools over performance and production.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
And even experience, and.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
The tools haven't won out right, now, so what does
that mean for the next Toolsy player that comes out
that doesn't have the stuff because it hasn't really gone
well for the tools he guys. Right, we can talk
about Anthony Richards and in a way you can talk
a little bit about Trey Lance with the lack of experience,
but the tools that you saw, we've just seen experience matters.
Doesn't necessarily work in Kenny Pickt's favor. But for a
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lot of the guys that have had immediate success and
to sustained success, they played a lot of college game
and those reps translated into success.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
I think even though these guys had played a lot,
I think that this all goes back to Mahomes and
Josh of guys who were freak show talents still needed
to be developed, still needed, you know, work to be
done there at the next level, and they hit massively.
You know, you've got MVPs. Uh, you've got Super Bowls
obviously with Mahomes. So I think that that talent over
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everything has still carried on for a long time. But
I mean, like Zach Wilson hadn't played a ton, you know,
but had a lot of raw talent. Krey Lance hadn't
played a ton, had a lot of raw talent. Like
we can go all through the through the list of
guys here, Anthony Richardson is just one of the one
of the latest here. But I think the you know,
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it's why you can't just have universal rules. You've you've
got to evaluate each of these guys individually, and you've
got to evaluate the person as much as the player. Buck.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, I mean you have to do that. You have to.
We talked about it's the intangibles, it's the qualities on
the inside. Is how you show up to work every day?
Is how much do you love it? And does your
love your love translate into these actions and habits that
we want to see from an player, Meaning you show
up early, you stay late, you do all the film,
you do all the other stuff that you need to
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do in the building and away from the building to
put yourself in a position to succeed and play at
a high level when you get your chance. Because if
I am in evaluated, if I'm a decision maker, look, man,
I'll go down with someone who is like that.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
If someone gives me everything, they pour everything into it
and it doesn't work out. But if You're a talented
guy and the work has him been there will now
I have no place for you because you haven't given
me your hard day's work that I can back you
and support you when all of the criticism comes through.
I think now more than ever, you better find guys
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that love it and their actions match their words when
it comes to saying they love it.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
So, if I was if I was advising Anthony Richardson,
if I was a friend and agent, parent, whatever, this
is the two pieces of advice I would give them.
Number one, for still, I would say greater than fifty
percent chance that either do to injury or performance, you're
going to get another opportunity on this Colts team this year,
So you know, do not let up, stay up with
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your preparation, get ready to go, because you're more than
likely going to get another opportunity there. If you're on
this roster, I would think that's you know, the odds
of either Daniel Jones getting nicked up or Daniel Jones
having some performance issues. There's a good chance you get
a chance to plague in this year, so you better
be ready for it. The second thing I would tell
you is thinking from a long term perspective, Buck, We've
now seen it. We've seen it with with Baker Mayfield,
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with Sam Darnold, with Geno Smith. This is not the
end of your journey, man, like you have everything still
to accomplish. You're still very young. I've seen it, and
I think Trey Lance is in year five, Trey Lance
look like a different human being under Jim Harbaugh and
with the Chargers, there is I mean he's got a chance. Yeah.
Look if if he doesn't get an opportunity next year
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to go compete somewhere, I'd be surprised just with the
flashes that he's shown and the improvement that he's shown
this year. So it's not over, is what I'm getting
at with Anthy Richards.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
No, and when you're someone that's drafted as high as
he was, you can get multiple bites at the apple
because one man's trash is another person's treasure and the
thing that you have with him. We talked about the
tools and the trades. There's always going to be someone
that is willing to take on a quarterback project, particularly
as an off season thing. Let's be honest. So you
don't get bored, right, if you have a veteran you
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have a veteran quarterback who is well established and is
doing this thing. You want someone in the building that
you can start to work with and build on, and
maybe you get a cheap option. You see it right
now when you're looking at Trey Lance and what he's
been able to do with the Chargers and how he's grown,
and how that kind of invigorates everyone that is touching
the quarterback. Because you have justin Herbert there, there's a
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path for him. But I'm gonna say this, Anthony Richardson
should pay close attention to how Daniel Jones goes about
doing his work and really master the art of being
a profession I was started there. I would say, master
the art of being professional. Watch what his routine is
as he gets ready for a game week. Because he's
been in this for a long time. What can I
steal from his routine or how he goes about his
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work week? Because we always ask those questions to quarterbacks, Hey,
what's your week look like? How do you get ready
to play? Maybe, and let's be fair, maybe Anthony Richardson
needs someone to model that form so we can take
that in and have his own process. I've heard Alex
Smith talking about how Chase Daniel passed along Drew Brees's
program and process for getting ready and how he showed
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that to Pat Mahomes and how it goes. We all
have to figure out a way to prepare how to play,
and once we get their routine, it allows us to
play at a high level.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Yeah, you need to continue to grow even if you're
not on the field. So that's a good challenge there
to Anthony Richardson. All right, that was this week's Hot
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quick pause here, come back this topic. I want to
hit you on here some new offensive coordinators, what their
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offenses look like, and why we might see some big
time turnarounds in a couple of locales would get to
that right after this, my Bucks. I was watching the
Bears the other night and everybody saw Caleb Williams look great.
Look Pageent came in, he looked great. It's a different
look on offense with Ben Johnson. I don't want to
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read too much into the preseason, but there is something
to get to with what that looks like. And then
also did some study and some homework on the Seahawks
and watched their first two games. Offensively with Clinton Kubiak
at the helm, Sam Darnold's in there, they've upgraded that
offensive line, Gray's Abels playing lights out. But the topic
I want to hit you on, it's just how important
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it is marrying your scheme with your talent. And at
least from the preseason, these look like great fits in
Chicago and Seattle.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Okay, I got to say this, man, because I did
a deep dive on Caleb Williams yesterday. Like I just
watched and watched all the throws, watch how they operated.
So I watched the cut up and then I watched
the game action, and I'm gonna say, DJ, You're right.
You talk about marrying assistant to suit the talents of
the player. That's what the Bears have done. And I
know what people will say, Hey, they're playing against the
backups and those things. And as we say, the preseason
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doesn't count, but it does matter. You want to see
noticeable progress and strides from your top players, particularly young quarterbacks.
And what I saw is Ben Johnson put Caleb Williams
in an offense that suits his talents. They went up
on the center early so a little bootlet come out
to play to his athleticism. In the offseason they went
and got another tight end, Coston Lovelin, to match up
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with Cole Camet. So where did the first three completions go?
Tight end, tight end, tight end, right down the middle
of the field. And the thing that I'll say this
watching Caleb Williams comfortably attack the middle of the field, DJ,
you and I know that there's hidden yardage in the
middle of the field if you can be good at
being able to play that cat and mouse game with
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the underneath linebacker. Is where hey, you put a little
cheese and every time they eat the cheese and you
hit the dig right behind it. Kayla Williams was doing it,
and I think it's not only the concepts, but it
was the discipline, the detail where it was on time
and it was on target. That's the Kayla Williams that
the Chicago Bear signed up for when they made them
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the number one overall bit.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, and I also love one of the most simple
things you'll hear people talk about it on broadcasts all
the time, But like you always say, you want to
see the ball go through the hoop. Like I always
talk about, ah, man, just get let's let's let's ease
into it. Let's not jump into the deep end. Let's
ease in here. Get me some completions, let me find
a rhythm. And if you can do it on the move,
even better because just kind of it just kind of
calms you down. First play, boot lay up flat like okay,
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we're cooking, and then it just kind of gets you
into a rhythm, into a flow of the game. And
I think, really good play colors understand how to get
quarterbacks comfortable and help them get into that rhythm. But
I'm looking at that team and I'm looking at an
interior offensive line that's upgraded. You look out and you
across the landscape, and Luther and Berdon got loose a
little bit later, has had a great camp. DJ Moore,
You've got two tight ends, Like, there is a lot
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of different ways they can hit you.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Look, man, they they are hitting you in. So it
wasn't just like a taking advantage of the tight ends.
It was Ben Johnson putting a scheme in but still
utilizing the premise players over plays. Yeah, so it's not
just the designs. It was man, okay, I saw the
ball early go to the top players, Coaston Lovelin, I
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Dncy Cole commit. Oh, DJ boy gets two. You know
the only one who didn't touch it early in that
drive was Roma Doonzak. But the switch route.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
He's been nails all camp. Everything that you hear and
see and read has been awesome.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, the switch route that he ran for the touchdowns
is the cass DJ.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
I't even mention him.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
I mean, just like they set it up, they run
the switch they catch him at man coverage, they run
the switch route, so now they put him in favorable
leverage when the DB's on the outside, so when he
breaks inside, he has an advantage. And I was like, oh, yeah,
this is gonna be problematic.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And look, man, Ben Johnson was in his bag and
it was just subtle because you know he has so
much more, but it was just seeing Caleb kayleb Williams
in rhythm.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
I don't want to make too much of it, but
it was super positive watching it. And later on I
just want to mention I saw Brian dave All getting
his bag with Jackson dark. Look. I don't want to
say this, but I feel like Russell Wilson is going
to be in the corner like.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
Just try and try and trying to.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
Survive, just trying to fight them all. But when we
talk about marrying system and player, I'm seeing dad in
New York with Jackson dark, just like I saw it
in Chicago with kayleb wi.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
So on the dark thing, I've said this and I
think we're on the same page. We're going to see
more Jackson Dart than Russell Wilson this year. Is just
a matter of how much Russell Wilson gets before that
keys the carget handed over. But the thing with the
Giants is the defense is going to be good, especially
their front could be potentially dominant. And so if you're
the head coach, you're saying, Okay, I know, I know
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he's young. I know Dart might not totally be ready,
but man, just with his leg, just the component of
his athleticism, if we can manufacture a couple we don't
need a lot. Man, can we manufacture seventeen to twenty points,
you know, protect the football, playfield position, he runs around,
makes a couple of plays like, man, we could be
you know, we could be able to save ourselves here.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, it look so here here's the thing, right, And
I've said that it's funny how quickly time flies. If
Brian Dabolo is able to lead the Giants to the
playoffs with Daniel Jones, he absolutely can do it with
Jackson dark because at the time that Daniel Jones led
the Giants to the playoffs, he had a fifteen to
five touchdown to interception ratio. They did a great job
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of running the ball, taking care of the ball, some
selective pass plays Daniel Jones, but he utilized his legs.
What I saw from the Giants the other day was,
honestly man a hyper version of the old Miss offense.
I saw quicks, I saw slow screens, I saw rhythm throws, RPOs.
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And I was sitting there like it's not a regular
season game. But I'm sitting here saying, if he can
go fourteen for sixteen operating an offense that is very
similar to the offense that he ran in college, while
utilizing his legs, why wouldn't you eventually hand him the
ball and say, if my defense is going to keep
the score down, we can get a running game. And
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I know how to play with this kind of player.
I know how to play with an athlete, and we
all have a sweet tooth. DJ. There's certain things that
we like, right, Some people like pies, so we were
like cakes, donuts or whatever. Brian Daboll has a sweet
tooth for an athletic quarterback. You give him an athletic quarterback,
he can make happen. We saw with Josh Allen, we
saw parts of it with Daniel Jones, Jackson Dart. He
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can make work. I'm confident that this is going to workout.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, I'm excited to see it. And we'll see how
long before that that move gets made there. I mentioned
the other one though, What was your take on Seattle?
Just watching them? To me, I just think that Kubiak system, obviously,
it's something that Sam Donald's comfortable with. Back to the
you know, back to the defense, play action boot him.
It just they look good. Man looked like a different offense.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
It absolutely looked like a different offense. And man, it's
just so different when you game plan and set it
up for your quarterback. And I think it's also easy
when you look at what the Minnesota Vikings did to
help him get going to use a continuation of that,
you know, Nanda there's been a blueprint established for how
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to get Sam Donald playing at a high level. Don't
reinvent the will. Maybe change the will, enhance the will,
but don't reinvent it. And that's what it looks like
the Seattle Seahawks you're trying to do. They're trying to
take what he did well in Minnesota and find their
own way to be able to replicate that while maintaining
true to the way they want to be their identity is.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yet I was trying to find the trying to find
the quote here. So I was I was doing Seattle
show and they were talking about that offense and they
pulled a quote I couldn't find it on. Jake Bobo
had a quote and saying what he likes so much
about the offense and how they're running the ball well
and what they're doing. He said, the first ten yards,
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like the first ten yards are our path, whether it's
run or pass, are exactly the same. So in other words,
like we're going to crack, we're going to motion, and
we're going to crack, We're on that same exact path.
We're cracking in one play and ten minutes later we're
running right by him. But everything from a defensive standpoint,
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the picture running pass looks the same, looks exactly the same. Man,
And I don't know. I was asked how many how
many people do you think do that at a very
high level. I don't think there's many that are that
consistent with making that stuff. And that goes back to
his dad. That's what Gary Kubiak, and that goes Mike Shanahan.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
So I'm gonna say this like one of the things.
And I've said this because I've seen some things that
are very similar to that when I watched the Jaguars,
because they're using a version of what the Rams do offensively,
what the Rams did back in twenty eighteen. Liam Fulm
was assistant wide receiver coach, so he saw Sean McVay
worked at as they've rebuilt Jered Goff, And part of
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what they're doing is trying to make everything look the
same to the defense. The run game, the run action,
and that includes all of the action, not just the
interior core tied in and line running back's path, but
the receivers condensed sets, snug formations. You got them inside,
so then climb up on the safeties. Well, now you
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know what happens after that they climb up on the safeties.
But now one guy runs a post and the other
guy runs a deepot play action. I mean, how many
times do we want to see that? But this is
what it is. And for the defense, it's hard because
that crack motion at debt and it's almost like the
catalling the little ball of yarn. You just get so
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used to it, you get mesmerized, you fall asleep, and
then they hit you in the explosive play. That's what
Koubyek has done, That's what Shanahan. That's what they've done
for years, and their sons have done it for years.
So it's a big part of how they get down offensive.
Speaker 2 (27:15):
Now the quote here haven't pulled it up. I mean,
you guys are gonna see it. But it's really cool
what Koobs is doing. He's marrying up at least for
just receivers. We're all in the same path for the
first ten yards of a play, whether we're running outside
zone or we're running boot action play action off of it. So,
man's that's tough on a defense. I think I was
going to ask you about that sidebar. I mean, we
live in an over league, man, It is a It
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is a deep over crosser league. We get so much
too high coverage. Just I don't know if we see
as many vertical pops, but the explosive plays are coming
on all these over routes. Man, that's a preseason.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Because DJ I would say this as a dB, it
is the hardest thing to play and the reason why,
and it doesn't matter if you're in split safety coverage
or single high coverage. The reason why is when you
run the combination the posts deep over and if you
do it from condensed sets. As a defense, you have
to make a decision how are we going to handle it? Right?
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So when I was in Oakland, I played with teams.
We would call it roll the post. So if I'm
on the side where my guy is running the deep over,
I let him go to the other side and I'm
falling back into the post that's coming from the opposite direction.
If I'm the gual on the post, I stay on
top of the post. But the safety that's in the middle,
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he's going to drive the Oah. It takes one so
much communication to be able to pull that off. It
takes the identification in the pre snap game. But what
do those guys do shift motion. They make it hard
to identify when it could be coming, and then it
takes the execution. But that takes reps in practice to
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be able to pull off. And the reason why you're
seeing these things explode in the preseason, so many disjointed
jukes playing together twos and three, he's ones and twos.
Everyone is not on the same page in the back end,
and when you have a miscommunication, it leads to a
home run ball. That is an explosive play, and that
is what the offense is banking.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Dan Casey, who's a great follow. If you don't follow, uh,
listen and don't follow Dan Casey, this great job. Puts
out plays all the time. He sends out you can
get on his mailing lest he'll send out to play
every single day. He's got thousands and thousands of coaches
that subscribe to it. But he was showing some stuff.
I remember who it was, but what it was was like,
we are running routes. We are like it's almost like
a grab as well. I would just refer to it
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as is. We are we have a tight end and
we have so we're going to have a say, we
have a whole defender, we are running right to him
and we are posting him and we're trying to just
grab him attention. And then we are right behind. So
what would you call that? What would you call that
route where you're going on it?
Speaker 1 (29:51):
Yeah, grab because you're trying to grab his attention and
all you're looking for is the quarterback. Is he says
his feet down or he comes towards that, it's something
right behind. And as a defender, we always talk about
it in terms of don't eat the cheese. If there's
something in front of you, there's something coming behind you.
So when that thing is in front of you, you
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gotta let it go. Some people use it as the
note cover zone. Hey, let that go. We're not going
to cover that. If they want to complete that coopl,
we'll let them have that. But what happens dj you
see it over and over and you see the completion
and in some point you're not disciplined enough to stay
to it, so you jump it and then the big
thing comes behind it. That's what it comes down to,
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And you're playing this cat and mouse game, the entire
game on the quarterback, and if the quarterback is disciplined,
you can't win because you have to take Look, just hey,
just let them take the check down.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Take the checkdown.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
But as defenders, we get tired of seeing completions. And
people say this because I've been on both sides of
the ball on defense. We're like, hey, make them take
the checkdown, make them take the checkdown. But here's what happened.
And I heard this from a quarterback coach. Every completion matters,
Every completion impacts the defense. So as we talk about
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a may, we're gonna let him have but DJ Naturally,
if you keep seeing them catch passes, you get frustrated.
Then one guy plays a hero, he jumps it, and
then that's when the explosive play happens. It comes down
to discipline on both sides. If the quarterback is disciplined,
he's gonna win. If the defense is disciplined, he will
eventually win. It's a batter of wills.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, it's so interesting to me just how you know, Look,
I just on the crappy you know college teams that
I played on like everything was just landmarks, everything was distance,
everything was steps, and now it's just like no, no, no,
this is where your path is. Wherever the defender is,
we are you are getting in his vision. You whatever
you gotta do to get in his vision and grab him.
That's what you're doing.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
Yeah, because if I can get him, I'm trying to
move him. I want him to move, so I want
him to lock eyes with me. See me, I sit down.
He now reacts to it. That The second completion that
Kayla Williams had to Loveland is kind of kind of
an over But on the opposite side, they sit a
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guy down right at like eight yards in front of
the linebacker and the linebacker's like, oh, I go, I
got him. I got him, And as soon as he goes,
you see Caleb let it go right over his ear
or completion. That's the hard part. When you're playing zone,
that's the hard part because they're trying to grab your
attention and if you're not disciplined, it does lead to
those big, big windows.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
Yeah, it's interesting. It's exciting to see what some of
these offenses are going to look like going forward. Last
thing before we get out of here, Buck, there's two
players out there. McLaurin doesn't actually I should say three.
McLaurin doesn't have a deal, Hendrickson doesn't have a deal,
and Mike hah Parson still doesn't have a deal. I
think we're probably on the same page, and that Jerry
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eventually's gonna do gonna end up paying Michael Parsons. He
just seems to always do that after you kind of
drag this whole thing out. The other two I don't either,
But of the other two, I'm leaning more towards Hendrickson
as being the only one that has an actual chance
of getting moved. I don't like it, but that would
be the only one that would that I could see
changing teams. Now, maybe if you're listening to this, maybe
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mclaurin's already been traded by their window where they are
right now. I don't see them doing that. And you
could say that you can make the same argument for Cincinnati,
except for the fact since I just paid so many
guys that that that's the only one. I'm a little bit.
Let's see what think comes on.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
I think I think Cincinnati's out a cast. They made
a decision. They basically made a choice of t Higgins
over Trey Hendrickson. Like when they decided to bring that
duo back on offense, they were giving up the pass
rushing and I understand it, and by not being on
the front end of it, not getting this deal done
last year the previous year, what they did is they
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waded into waters that now they can't swim in. Because
when Miles Garrett and TJ. Watt signed their deals to
push him into forty million annually category, and Trey Hendrickson's
production is right in that in line with their production,
you don't get the discount. You have Miles Crosby and
Daniel Hunter who signed extend Max Crosby. I'm sorry, Max
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Crosby and those guys. So they're at thirty five million annually. Jay.
If I'm Tray Hendrickson, that's great, But my numbers are
more than the forty million category. Yeah, I can't settle
for thirty. I was just trying to get thirty. Now
you have to pay me close to forty. Man. Slow.
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When you go slow, man, you end up paying more
in these deals. Man, It's better to be on the
front end of the situation. I just don't know. They
say they want a first round pick and a player.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
There's no they're not getting that. I mean, I don't
think they'll get a first round pick. I think it's
I think it's a day two pick and a player.
If you want to go that way, I think you
could pull that off. I don't see anybody doing that.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I mean, and because he's still thirty thirty one years old,
like you're still talking about an older Yeah, you have
to pay him, and that team has to have money.
Now some of the people have talked about like the
Chargers have the money, they have the cash the potential
to be able to do it. The Carolina Panthers have
the cash to be able to potentially do it. There's
a connection with him. And obviously the Indianapolis Colts with
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lou and Aroumo being there, they got young past rushers.
If they're going for broke and they're in save job mode,
like maybe there, But I don't know. I don't know
where he gets moved because some of the stuff that
you're hearing gets pine the sky, like him going to Detroit.
I think that's too tough. Money doesn't work. But it
a managed to see where Trey Henderson lands.
Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, we'll see something to keep an eye on as
we come down the home stretch here. Jack's who you
got this week?
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Buck Miami In Miami, don't expect to see anybody but
not many people play. This is gonna be one for
all the roster guys trying to duke it out, which
can be fun trying to figure out how those guys
are going to You're the last spots on the rosstand,
the practice squat spots. Uh be fun.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
See Yep, I'll be up in the Bay Area. We
got the Chargers Niners, and that'll wrap up the preseason
and then shoot, before you know it'd be off to
Brazil September fifth. Get this thing kicked off with the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
I want. I wonder what your little sensitive temmy. I
wonder what are you going.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
I'm packing protein bars. I'm i'm an. I won't leave
the hotel, no chances, no chances. My stomach's not I mean, look,
you gotta scout. You gotta be able to self evaluate,
buck a little awareness. I would love to go out
and get some authentic Brazilian food. I would love it.
I would love it for about fifteen minutes and then
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it would not love me, and then I just can't
do it.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
My god, my god, my guy. Protein bars.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
That's it. I'm gonna got three days, three days where
the protein bars and maybe some pre cereal.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Oh my gosh, you mean nice and slim though, you
mean nice and nice and skinny.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Yeah, come back as a freaking arathoner. All right, that's
gonna do it for us today. I hope you guys
have enjoyed it. We'll see you next time. I'll move
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