January 28, 2019 • 24 mins
DJ & Bucky are on a travel day back to L.A. after the Senior Bowl. Our ‘PBU’ Rhett Lewis caught up with David Morris of QB Country to talk about training Duke QB Daniel Jones (1:00). Plus, DJ & Bucky interviewed Boston College DE Zach Allen (9:20) and Texas DE Charles Omenihu (18:30) from Mobile.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody, d J. Bucky here from Moved the Sticks.
Just got back from Mobile, Alabama, where we had a
great week at the Reach of Senior Bowl. Outstanding event
Jim Naggy to the wonderful job of posting all thirty
two teams, got a chance to see the Raiders and
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the forty Niners coach up their squads and we ended
up being a high scoring affair. Fun fun afternoon out
there in Mobile, Alabama for Bucky and myself, although during
the week it wasn't two men show. We had the
PBu Rhett Lewis with us to help gather some interviews
and on today's podcast, we're gonna rule some of those conversations.
We had some of them. Bucky myself, the player Whet
(00:45):
was able to grab some guys and uh, we're gonna
run that sound for you right now, starting off with
the man who's been coaching Daniel Jones, the quarterback from
Duke who ended up being the m v P of
the Reach of Senior Bowl, David Morris, he runs QB
Country down out of Mobile, Alabama, and Rhett had a
chance to catch up with him. Are you with David
Morris qube Country, who's gonna be training Daniel Jones? Uh,
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due quarterback in the run up to the draft? And uh,
this obviously is nothing new for you, though you've known
Daniel for a long time. Give us an idea of
of how that relationship started and what it was like
when you first laid your eyes on him as a quarterback. Yeah.
So Daniel has been coming down here to mobile training
since he was a sophomore in high school. And uh,
you know, the first time I saw him, he was
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probably a six two seventy clown kid and I think
at the beginning of that year he was five eleven, right,
And so he's a kid that you know now he's
six five to grow probably, but yeah, you know, known
him for a long time. I think the thing that
that stands out is is just how tough he is,
how competitive he is. Um, he's a he's a pro.
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You know, he's a mature kid. But but you know,
it's just excited for him to beat down here at
the senior ball this week. How do you just how
would you describe the development from the time when you
first see him as a young kid in high school
to where he is now, I mean preparing, you know,
to perhaps to be a first round pick in the NFL. Yeah,
I mean I think every year he's gotten better, He's
gotten stronger, he's gotten more confident. Um, he's been very
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well coached, you know by guy I'm pretty familiar with
the coach Cut was my coach back at Old Miss.
But yeah, he's just prepared. Uh, you know, he's he's
obviously declared early. But I think from a standpoint of
you know, uh, kind of growing mentally, growing, you know,
gaining weight. He's gotten a little bigger every year. But
I mean he's really a guy that is um has
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played better and better. I feel like every year. When
you mentioned coach Cut, I mean obviously Peyton Manning, Eli
Manning come to mind. What would you say are the
traits of a David Cutcliff coach quarterback and how does
that manifest itself? And Daniel Yeah, I mean I think
the first thing that comes to mind would be prepared.
His quarterbacks are gonna be prepared. Uh, he expects a
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lot out of the quarterback. Coach Cut puts a lot
on the quarterback's plate um. You know, long play calls
you know, are gonna be tough for new to Daniel necessarily.
I think he's used to call in front, uh, you know,
used to looking at contours of defenses and and you know,
making Mike calls and all that change of protection. So
I think he's, uh, he's prepared, and I think he's uh.
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I think Coach cut is is uh. He lets you
know just how um special it is and what an
honored is to play quarterbacks. I think there's a respect
for the game there. Yeah. And and obviously you know,
having some of that Manning influence as well, with how
close they are with with coach Cut I mean, how
how would you describe their their relationship. I don't Obviously
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we've seen him down at the Manning Passing Academy this
past summer. I mean, just another kind of crucial peace
uh to his quarterback resume, if you will, to get
to hang out with those guys a little bit, you know. Yeah,
I mean I think it's been really cool for Daniel. Um,
you know Ellen Payton always go back to to train
and to work with coach Cut and and and it
tells you a lot about coach Cut and and um,
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you know, just just how much they think of him.
You know, I still talk to each cut often. You know,
it's one of those things that lean on him for
advice or just kind of touch base here and there.
I think there's a special bond that coach Cutt has
with his quarterbacks and obviously Elien Peyton probably his favorite
to you know, probably. So yeah, I think there's a
neat thing going on there. You see any of those
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guys in Daniel I do. I mean, there's there's a
there's some eli to Daniel. You know, I was I was.
I was fortunate enough to be unfortunate enough to be yes,
uh second second, you keep ruining my football career, but yeah,
what what a guy? Right? But no, I mean, you know,
somewhat perceived as soft spoken. Um, I think you know
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sometimes you could you could say, you know, what is
the leadership style there? But but you know, they're both
two year, three year captains on their teams and and
and they just have their own way of doing it.
Very confident guys. But they don't have to be the
one talking in the room all the time. And I
think Daniel has that well, there is and that is
one of the perceptions of Daniel that he's a quieter guy,
little bit more reserved. Um. And and you know, maybe
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that's an alarm bell for some people looking for a
quarterback to be that that alpha guy that goes out
there like you know, Baker Mayfield running around all over
the place. But you know him, well, he comes out
of that shell, doesn't he Absolutely. I mean I think
when he's in a meeting room, when he's on the field,
when he's the line of scrimmage, you know, you see
the you see the leadership, you see the authority of
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kind of nature, you see the confidence, and you see
the comfort level there. And I think, you know, there's
not one way to do it. I mean, you look
across the NFL, there's there's there's different personalities throughout you know,
the quarterback rooms. And I think Daniel is very confident
in his own style. And I think that's probably the
most important thing. What are you working on with him
right now and in the next couple of weeks in
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the run ups of the draft. Yeah, so, so you know,
the first couple of weeks we're kind of geared towards
getting ready for the Senior Bowl and um, you know,
just trying to try to cram a little. Obviously the
next phase will be you know, combine and uh, and
so we'll have I guess about a month and and
kind of cramming and and getting ready for the combine. Uh,
you know, all the testing aspect interviews. Um. You know,
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I think every day you're you're trying to get a
little better. And so yeah, we're just trying to be
more consistent and trying to you know, get an under
center and doing doing the under center drops and and
getting used to the seven step game a little bit.
But I mean, I think across the board, I've been
just you know, I hadn't been surprised at all to
kind of see just how how much Daniel you know,
it's kind of bought in and and he's working his
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tail off. So it's been fun mechanically, um, and and
just from a fundamental standpoint, how do you describe where
he is right now compared to some of the other
you know guys you've been through at this stage, He's
really good. Uh. You know, Coach cut is a mechanics guy.
You know, I think we work on mechanics, uh, just
because it's part of as part of the process, you know,
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it's part of being a self evaluator, So I think
you always want to be as sound as you can be.
But I mean, um, you know, he's got a great fee.
He you know, he works hard in his drops. Um
you know, I think I think we can you know, um,
you know, get more consistent with with certain throws. And
we're working at that. I mean, you're always working at that.
And I mean there's there's an m v P guys
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in the NFL that that that are trying to get
better at that. So I think it never stops. But
I mean I think in general, uh, it's one of
those things that uh, you know, we're we're kind of
honing in on the combine and the different aspects of
the of the process. What's best throw? His best throw,
I would say he throws a great dig, he throws
a great comeback. He's an athlete, he likes to be
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on the run. So one uh no, but I mean
that those are those are i'd call those money throws.
I mean, how many times have you seen Michael Thomas
run the dig and Drew Brees puts it on the money. Yeah,
I mean those are big time sticks throws. Third and long,
that's where he loves the dig. You know, I think
I think that's probably his his throw and kind of
back to coach cut I mean, you throw so many
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crossing routes, uh, you know, post digs are just basics
or you know, kind of the deep dig. And he
had gotten into the eighteen to twenty like we're doing now.
But but it's it's been really easy for him. And
then on the talking about him as a thrower there athletically,
I mean it's a guy that's running for otunity yards
in a game before h I mean, yeah, that is
a little bit better. Right, that's I mean, not gonna
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expect that kind of running element from him on the
next level or is he is he capable of that
kind of stuff? I mean, I think I think if
you start paying attention to guys that that are running
around in the league at quarterback, uh, it's hard to
stay healthy. I think I think you would probably like
to not run around a lot. But I mean he
can get you out of a bad yeah. I mean,
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you hear people compare him a little bit to Carson Wentz,
you know, athletically, I see that, right, I mean hopefully, um,
you know, hopefully it's one of those things where he's
a competitors. He's a competitor, and so what you want
to do with the competitors is just no one to
call it a call it a player. Right, Well, I
think that was it. That was the horn. That's that's
calling us calling it a calling in an interview, Thanks Buddy,
David Morris Que Country parting with Daniel Jones. Great work
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by Rhett. Get a chance to hear David Morris's thoughts.
He is, he's really one of these guys. It's it's
working with a lot of the top quarterbacks on a
yearly basis. So great to get his his thought his
perspective on Daniel Jones and I look forward to further
developing that relationship with him as we continue through the
draft process. And I had a chance to catch up
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with a couple of other players while we were down there,
one of which was Boston College defensive end Zach Allen.
All Right buck joined by one of the toughest players
and this year's draft class and easily one of the
toughest players down here at the Senior Bowl, Zack. How
you doing man? Good? Join It is having fun when
you watch yourself film what we say the strengths your game.
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I think Versatili is a big one. Like you can
see from my sophomore through UM senior seasons, I've played
everything from a zero to a nine UM. But also
I feel like I'm able to mix in speed and
power pretty well, um being to eight five. And also
i feel like I'm pretty strong with my punch in
my hands and I have a good base. I'm not
really getting knocked backed um by anyone. Really. I played
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against the really good and here you guys, UM tackles everything,
and I really hold my own against everyone I play. Again,
talking about pass rusts a lot of times to talk
about him as pictures. You know, they have different pitches.
If you had to, if you had to rate yourself,
give me your your best three pitches as a pass rush. Yeah.
So I think I I like the base everything off
my power. UM. I think that once you have a guy,
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you know really kind of when he's going backwards and
I'm coming into eight five full speed, uh, a lot
of guys are gonna you know, kind of knock back. Yeah,
knocked back, and they're going to make sure to brace
for it. And then you know, I like to throw
in the touch and go or the size scissors while
they're leaning just to um, you know, just get them
going forward. Explain. Explain For those who listen don't know,
side scissors, explain, Yeah, beside scissors. He shoots his hands
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and I just get the hands off. So I feel
like I'm pretty good with my hands at getting game
away and then touching go. You know, I try to
show that show the power with one arm and then
he punches and then I get it down and I
just have to bend the corner. You seem pretty advanced
and refined when it comes to being able to talk
about the techniques. Who are some of the guys that
you looked at and maybe patting your game? Well wait, wait,
don't answer, because I'm gonna whisper his ear. Who you
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Who's the first guy? So obviously J J. Watt. I
think a lot of people we're talking about, well, Joey too.
But I coach Pascalone. Um was my defensive line coach
for the past um with my sophomore and junior two years.
And he just came when when he came to BC,
came straight from Houston. So, um, I was always watching J.
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Jaf film and he's the best to do it, so
you want to learn from the best and uh, you know,
kind of similar to build similar size. Um, you know,
obviously he's uh he's done quite well, quite well, and
you know, I have a ways to go to get there.
But um, you know, I think that's a you know,
a good person to chase. And again Joey bos I
was actually you know it was another guy. Yeah, yeah,
I know. Um, just watch a lot of his tape
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and uh so those two guys really have influenced me
a lot. You know, you get a chance during this
week is a lot of people might not know all
the meetings you have with teams. Um, so every meaning
could take different ount of time. Some of them are
gonna be five minutes. You probably not to go more
than fifty match with these teams, but take every way
behind the curtain a little bit, you know, what goes
on in in terms of oh, it's just all the
information you've gotta give these guys. Yeah, a lot of
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it is you know, repetitive questions, but um yeah, knowing
a lot about yourself. But a lot of scouts, you know,
they came to practice because BC we actually had a
lot of pro prospects. So they knew a lot about us.
Just make sure you know you're telling the truth. And
no red flags, major red flags. And you know, my
favorite parts when we just started talking football, Um, you know,
watching old game tape, drawn up defenses. Um, you know
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that's I love football and I love talking it. So
that's my favorite part about it. You can tell us.
I know you probably don't want to tell the teams.
You don't want to take anybody off Patriots fan, I'm
not actually now. I grew up um a Giants and
Dolphins fans because I was right by New York, so
the Giants and they were winning the Super Bowls Dophins. Yeah,
well my mom was a cheerier for the Dolphins, so
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I grew up in so you know, always had those
when you were watching like Ace Ventura that she referenced
part of this, Yeah she was, yeah back in the eighties.
Yeah she um, she was doing it to pay for
school and pay for you know, my grandmother's cancer treatments
at the time. But yeah she uh yeah, both my parents,
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you know, we're really instrumental and have great stories and
very blessed to have them. I love that. Well, the
last question for me, let's get through your rookie year.
It's a year from now you're looking back, Um, what
you wanted, what you looking to accomplish a year one? Yeah,
I think I want to be, you know, more than
a contributor. I want to be an all pro guy. UM.
I think I have the potential to do that. You know,
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just seeing the guys who I've played against, um and
how I've compared and seeing the success they've had, like
the Quentin Nelson, the Bradley Chub this year and Harold Um.
You know, it's allays, you know, competition. I feel like
I'm on the same level and seeing that success. But
also um, you know saying in football goes as the
D line goes, the team goes, so UM, being on
a successful D line and you know, bringing to success
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to that D line hopefully driving us to a championship
would be uh A really special way to start out
an NFL career. I love it. I love That's the
right answer. I love it when you can find a
way to get the ultimate team goal accomplished with also
handling your business individual that's the right answer. Thanks for timing,
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Cavo one remote that does it all. Zac Allen definitely
brought the power. When you looked at him during the
one on ones, he did not lie to us his
first rep. He did try and bowl rush, try and
show off that strength and power that he possesses. It
was a good week for Boston College players down there.
I thought lest from the Guard from Boston College had
(15:49):
a great week of practice as well. So fun to
watch those guys compete back. Allen definitely a high effort player,
no doubt about that. Got a chance to see that firsthand.
Another player that the flash during the week of practice
that an outstanding game is Texas pass rusher Charles a
Mena who he was outstanding and he is with a
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fun conversation for us as well. Here's our chat me
Bucky sat down with Mr Menahem. Alright, Buck, We're joined
by Charles right now, and Charles, I gotta start first questions,
very serious question for you. I know you had your
phone out, so I'm gonna go social media. I want
you to you're with your favorite follow could be Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat?
Who's your favorite follow? My favorite follow? So who felt like?
(16:30):
Who do you follow that you enjoyed following? So this
is a guy named Chief Obie. He's a he's a comedian.
I'm Nigerian, so that's where the name coming from. He's
Nigered and man, he's hilarious, dude, Like, if I need,
I stayed into my culture. So and he's really really funny.
He keeps the comedy side of our culture upbeat and
(16:50):
if I need to laugh, I'll go right to his
Instagram or Twitter page and its Chief who Chief? I
think it's Chief Underscobia follow. Yeah. All right, So the
end of your career texts you guys obviously turned around,
but you had a coaching change. What did you find
out about yourself? And having to deal with the coaching
change and all the stuff to kind of went with that.
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So I mean, you know, people, you have a coaching
change of coach change of how things are done, so
you gotta adapt. So just you look at it as
a business man like in business people calm people go.
You gotta be learned how to adapt and adapt situations
and be able to excel in whatever situation. And so
coach Strong obviously recruited me big part of the reason
why I came to Texas, but we didn't do what
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we needed to do those first two years to keep them.
Man Like, it's a what can you do for me
now kind of deal, especially at you t So they
let him go and burning Coach Tournament. Coach Tournament was
a lot more of a business like just how we're
doing things to the t. Very thought that kind of thing.
So that's how it was, and you gotta adapt to it.
That's or you're gonna be left on the train. It's
like you're on or y'all. So that's all it was.
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And I think for me it just showed me and
help understand that. You know, in business, people are gonna
come and go um, and you got to be able
to open to to do whatever and adapt to whatever
situation circumstances that come with it. Let's get into you
as a player here for a minute. Here you can
do a lot of different things where if you could
choose one role for yourself and where would you like
to play, what would you like to do? I mean obviously, like, uh,
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versatility's used to me and I'm gonna get in your question,
but I feel like I could do whatever a team
or if anybody would ask me and feel like I
need to do, I could do it. Whatever I need
to do to contribute UM right away to an organization,
That's what I do. But what you prefer the I mean,
so I'm very comfortable playing on the edge. Man, very
comfortable playing that defensive and getting out there and uh
rest in the court of that though. Give me, give me,
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give me a three word evaluation of you as a pastor.
This is a pass rusher. If I'm gonna to describe
you and a report three words you as a pass rusher,
what are there? Length, explosive, um, dynamic there, you know,
And thinking about that, I was at the Sugar Bowl,
had a chance to watch you against Georgia. That was
a really big game. I came away thinking that was
a really big game for your team and for you personally.
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Uh what was it about facing Georgia where you guys
said so much to prove and we're so motivated to
play at the high level. So yeah, you know, you
get the the SEC big twel deal and you get
the SEC is here and everybody else is like trying
to reach them or whatever, and just I mean it's
out there, man. People talk about George is gonna be
my fourteen plus. Uh, Georgia felt like they were snubbed
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or whatever with the playoffs stuff, so they're gonna be
up in there like trying to ready ram us on
our face. And we heard those things, and we use
that motivation to be like no man like we're Texas.
We're big dogs too, just because when the big twel
don't mean so we came out there and just fire
man here on fire. You know what I'm saying. Energy
was high from snap the first snap to the last
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man were just ready to go. Don't you put your
scouting hat on? Here? Joined two scouts here and let's
do some scouting. I want to talk about maybe the
most electric player in college football, Kyler Murray. You got
a chance to see him twice, so I want a
little evaluation on him and maybe a comparison but to
what you saw on Kyler Murray and the guy he
replaced in Baker Mayfield. So yeah, Kylage up man. Best
player I've ever played against my life, hands down. Um
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dynamic with running the ball, and then also people might
not give him as much credit, but he can throw
that thing just because you can run man um. So yeah,
but comparing him to Baker, Baker just did the Baker
than run the ball like he did. Baker is elusive. Now,
so you go back and watch our game. I mean,
Baker dug some sacks, need one Unfortunately, where I could
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have two. Secon was bad but just got one. But
he's elusive to but not to the love of college
um throwing. I think they're right there with each other.
They're both very accurate, um trust that. They both trust
their arms like crazy. But I think College is better
just because he can run the thing. Can you feel
his speed? Like a lot of times you have defensive
players and they know how fast is Like somebody said,
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can you can you feel it? You feel his speed
when you're on the field. Yeah, so, um. The first
time we played him is option play, and I had
My job was to slow play him so he would
pitch it and give time for everybody. Raley to the
pitch man. And so he was runing the option. He's
going the sidelines kind of pretty close but not not
too close, and I'm playing them and he seemed that
You're gonna keep it, but he was playing so slow,
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so he was like, law, he was sleeping us. And
then go dude, like like lightning went by me, Bro,
And I looked back to my my dB, I'm like,
did you just see this man? Like he was literally
right there and then hit the sidelines so fast, Bro.
And then he's so good at like tiptoe and getting
a little extra yards and extending the ball because you
know Heke carries the ball. And I was like, dude,
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we're going to against somebody's real deal, like Mike Vickers.
That's nice. I mean, that's that's that's an awesome quote.
I want to know even more about it because you
faced him twice. How much did he change in the
second game from the first game? Didn't run as much.
The second game was a lot more of they're trying
to pound the rock and we did. We did a
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decent job pusus of the run, but they were trying
to throw that ball and move the pocket a little
bit there. There are a lot more balanced than they
were the first game. Last question for me, I want
to just get into your rookie is getting ready to
bark on your pro career. Here were your goals you're one.
Your rookie goals, um one. I mean, I just want
to contribute like a high level for whatever team blessing
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me the opportunity of being in the felon and be
picked by them. So I want to be able to
contribute early level, at like early stage and making impact
on the team and hopefully we'll get some games out
to the playoffs and get lottle taste of high playoff
football is and I like it and I'm looking forward
to watching it compete this week at Senior Bowl. Uh,
do your best out there, and we'll catch you as
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you you march on this draft towards or this path
towards drafty. So thank you so much, my appreciate Uh.
I was a fun young man to talk to. And man,
you talk about what you want your defensive to look like,
That's exactly what brought up. And enjoy getting his perspective
its own quarterbacks. I love talking to these players and
get their ideas and thoughts about their opponents down there
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on the field in the battle, and you have to
find out who they are impressed by. And wow, that
was definitely strong words about Kyler Murray, comparing him with
what he saw from Baker Mayfield. So I really enjoyed
that conversation. Look forward to watching him as we head
towards the NFL scouting combine. Well that's gonna do it
for us today. It was a fun week, a jam
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packed week. We're trying to get our feedback underneath us
back here in California. After a great time down there
in Mobile, Alabama. But we will have plenty of Super
Bowl talk coming your way. The big game not too
far away. We've got you covered right here. I'd move
the six, don't go anywhere, and we've got lots of
content coming your way as we marched towards the draft,
and first of all, as we marched towards the biggest
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And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody, d J. Bucky here from Moved the Sticks.
Just got back from Mobile, Alabama, where we had a
great week at the Reach of Senior Bowl. Outstanding event
Jim Naggy to the wonderful job of posting all thirty
two teams, got a chance to see the Raiders and
(00:22):
the forty Niners coach up their squads and we ended
up being a high scoring affair. Fun fun afternoon out
there in Mobile, Alabama for Bucky and myself, although during
the week it wasn't two men show. We had the
PBu Rhett Lewis with us to help gather some interviews
and on today's podcast, we're gonna rule some of those conversations.
We had some of them. Bucky myself, the player Whet
(00:45):
was able to grab some guys and uh, we're gonna
run that sound for you right now, starting off with
the man who's been coaching Daniel Jones, the quarterback from
Duke who ended up being the m v P of
the Reach of Senior Bowl, David Morris, he runs QB
Country down out of Mobile, Alabama, and Rhett had a
chance to catch up with him. Are you with David
Morris qube Country, who's gonna be training Daniel Jones? Uh,
(01:08):
due quarterback in the run up to the draft? And uh,
this obviously is nothing new for you, though you've known
Daniel for a long time. Give us an idea of
of how that relationship started and what it was like
when you first laid your eyes on him as a quarterback. Yeah.
So Daniel has been coming down here to mobile training
since he was a sophomore in high school. And uh,
you know, the first time I saw him, he was
(01:29):
probably a six two seventy clown kid and I think
at the beginning of that year he was five eleven, right,
And so he's a kid that you know now he's
six five to grow probably, but yeah, you know, known
him for a long time. I think the thing that
that stands out is is just how tough he is,
how competitive he is. Um, he's a he's a pro.
(01:49):
You know, he's a mature kid. But but you know,
it's just excited for him to beat down here at
the senior ball this week. How do you just how
would you describe the development from the time when you
first see him as a young kid in high school
to where he is now, I mean preparing, you know,
to perhaps to be a first round pick in the NFL. Yeah,
I mean I think every year he's gotten better, He's
gotten stronger, he's gotten more confident. Um, he's been very
(02:10):
well coached, you know by guy I'm pretty familiar with
the coach Cut was my coach back at Old Miss.
But yeah, he's just prepared. Uh, you know, he's he's
obviously declared early. But I think from a standpoint of
you know, uh, kind of growing mentally, growing, you know,
gaining weight. He's gotten a little bigger every year. But
I mean he's really a guy that is um has
(02:32):
played better and better. I feel like every year. When
you mentioned coach Cut, I mean obviously Peyton Manning, Eli
Manning come to mind. What would you say are the
traits of a David Cutcliff coach quarterback and how does
that manifest itself? And Daniel Yeah, I mean I think
the first thing that comes to mind would be prepared.
His quarterbacks are gonna be prepared. Uh, he expects a
(02:54):
lot out of the quarterback. Coach Cut puts a lot
on the quarterback's plate um. You know, long play calls
you know, are gonna be tough for new to Daniel necessarily.
I think he's used to call in front, uh, you know,
used to looking at contours of defenses and and you know,
making Mike calls and all that change of protection. So
I think he's, uh, he's prepared, and I think he's uh.
(03:14):
I think Coach cut is is uh. He lets you
know just how um special it is and what an
honored is to play quarterbacks. I think there's a respect
for the game there. Yeah. And and obviously you know,
having some of that Manning influence as well, with how
close they are with with coach Cut I mean, how
how would you describe their their relationship. I don't Obviously
(03:34):
we've seen him down at the Manning Passing Academy this
past summer. I mean, just another kind of crucial peace
uh to his quarterback resume, if you will, to get
to hang out with those guys a little bit, you know. Yeah,
I mean I think it's been really cool for Daniel. Um,
you know Ellen Payton always go back to to train
and to work with coach Cut and and and it
tells you a lot about coach Cut and and um,
(03:55):
you know, just just how much they think of him.
You know, I still talk to each cut often. You know,
it's one of those things that lean on him for
advice or just kind of touch base here and there.
I think there's a special bond that coach Cutt has
with his quarterbacks and obviously Elien Peyton probably his favorite
to you know, probably. So yeah, I think there's a
neat thing going on there. You see any of those
(04:16):
guys in Daniel I do. I mean, there's there's a
there's some eli to Daniel. You know, I was I was.
I was fortunate enough to be unfortunate enough to be yes,
uh second second, you keep ruining my football career, but yeah,
what what a guy? Right? But no, I mean, you know,
somewhat perceived as soft spoken. Um, I think you know
(04:40):
sometimes you could you could say, you know, what is
the leadership style there? But but you know, they're both
two year, three year captains on their teams and and
and they just have their own way of doing it.
Very confident guys. But they don't have to be the
one talking in the room all the time. And I
think Daniel has that well, there is and that is
one of the perceptions of Daniel that he's a quieter guy,
little bit more reserved. Um. And and you know, maybe
(05:03):
that's an alarm bell for some people looking for a
quarterback to be that that alpha guy that goes out
there like you know, Baker Mayfield running around all over
the place. But you know him, well, he comes out
of that shell, doesn't he Absolutely. I mean I think
when he's in a meeting room, when he's on the field,
when he's the line of scrimmage, you know, you see
the you see the leadership, you see the authority of
(05:24):
kind of nature, you see the confidence, and you see
the comfort level there. And I think, you know, there's
not one way to do it. I mean, you look
across the NFL, there's there's there's different personalities throughout you know,
the quarterback rooms. And I think Daniel is very confident
in his own style. And I think that's probably the
most important thing. What are you working on with him
right now and in the next couple of weeks in
(05:44):
the run ups of the draft. Yeah, so, so you know,
the first couple of weeks we're kind of geared towards
getting ready for the Senior Bowl and um, you know,
just trying to try to cram a little. Obviously the
next phase will be you know, combine and uh, and
so we'll have I guess about a month and and
kind of cramming and and getting ready for the combine. Uh,
you know, all the testing aspect interviews. Um. You know,
(06:05):
I think every day you're you're trying to get a
little better. And so yeah, we're just trying to be
more consistent and trying to you know, get an under
center and doing doing the under center drops and and
getting used to the seven step game a little bit.
But I mean, I think across the board, I've been
just you know, I hadn't been surprised at all to
kind of see just how how much Daniel you know,
it's kind of bought in and and he's working his
(06:27):
tail off. So it's been fun mechanically, um, and and
just from a fundamental standpoint, how do you describe where
he is right now compared to some of the other
you know guys you've been through at this stage, He's
really good. Uh. You know, Coach cut is a mechanics guy.
You know, I think we work on mechanics, uh, just
because it's part of as part of the process, you know,
(06:47):
it's part of being a self evaluator, So I think
you always want to be as sound as you can be.
But I mean, um, you know, he's got a great fee.
He you know, he works hard in his drops. Um
you know, I think I think we can you know, um,
you know, get more consistent with with certain throws. And
we're working at that. I mean, you're always working at that.
And I mean there's there's an m v P guys
(07:07):
in the NFL that that that are trying to get
better at that. So I think it never stops. But
I mean I think in general, uh, it's one of
those things that uh, you know, we're we're kind of
honing in on the combine and the different aspects of
the of the process. What's best throw? His best throw,
I would say he throws a great dig, he throws
a great comeback. He's an athlete, he likes to be
(07:28):
on the run. So one uh no, but I mean
that those are those are i'd call those money throws.
I mean, how many times have you seen Michael Thomas
run the dig and Drew Brees puts it on the money. Yeah,
I mean those are big time sticks throws. Third and long,
that's where he loves the dig. You know, I think
I think that's probably his his throw and kind of
back to coach cut I mean, you throw so many
(07:48):
crossing routes, uh, you know, post digs are just basics
or you know, kind of the deep dig. And he
had gotten into the eighteen to twenty like we're doing now.
But but it's it's been really easy for him. And
then on the talking about him as a thrower there athletically,
I mean it's a guy that's running for otunity yards
in a game before h I mean, yeah, that is
a little bit better. Right, that's I mean, not gonna
(08:11):
expect that kind of running element from him on the
next level or is he is he capable of that
kind of stuff? I mean, I think I think if
you start paying attention to guys that that are running
around in the league at quarterback, uh, it's hard to
stay healthy. I think I think you would probably like
to not run around a lot. But I mean he
can get you out of a bad yeah. I mean,
(08:31):
you hear people compare him a little bit to Carson Wentz,
you know, athletically, I see that, right, I mean hopefully, um,
you know, hopefully it's one of those things where he's
a competitors. He's a competitor, and so what you want
to do with the competitors is just no one to
call it a call it a player. Right, Well, I
think that was it. That was the horn. That's that's
calling us calling it a calling in an interview, Thanks Buddy,
David Morris Que Country parting with Daniel Jones. Great work
(08:54):
by Rhett. Get a chance to hear David Morris's thoughts.
He is, he's really one of these guys. It's it's
working with a lot of the top quarterbacks on a
yearly basis. So great to get his his thought his
perspective on Daniel Jones and I look forward to further
developing that relationship with him as we continue through the
draft process. And I had a chance to catch up
(09:14):
with a couple of other players while we were down there,
one of which was Boston College defensive end Zach Allen.
All Right buck joined by one of the toughest players
and this year's draft class and easily one of the
toughest players down here at the Senior Bowl, Zack. How
you doing man? Good? Join It is having fun when
you watch yourself film what we say the strengths your game.
(09:35):
I think Versatili is a big one. Like you can
see from my sophomore through UM senior seasons, I've played
everything from a zero to a nine UM. But also
I feel like I'm able to mix in speed and
power pretty well, um being to eight five. And also
i feel like I'm pretty strong with my punch in
my hands and I have a good base. I'm not
really getting knocked backed um by anyone. Really. I played
(09:58):
against the really good and here you guys, UM tackles everything,
and I really hold my own against everyone I play. Again,
talking about pass rusts a lot of times to talk
about him as pictures. You know, they have different pitches.
If you had to, if you had to rate yourself,
give me your your best three pitches as a pass rush. Yeah.
So I think I I like the base everything off
my power. UM. I think that once you have a guy,
(10:19):
you know really kind of when he's going backwards and
I'm coming into eight five full speed, uh, a lot
of guys are gonna you know, kind of knock back. Yeah,
knocked back, and they're going to make sure to brace
for it. And then you know, I like to throw
in the touch and go or the size scissors while
they're leaning just to um, you know, just get them
going forward. Explain. Explain For those who listen don't know,
side scissors, explain, Yeah, beside scissors. He shoots his hands
(10:41):
and I just get the hands off. So I feel
like I'm pretty good with my hands at getting game
away and then touching go. You know, I try to
show that show the power with one arm and then
he punches and then I get it down and I
just have to bend the corner. You seem pretty advanced
and refined when it comes to being able to talk
about the techniques. Who are some of the guys that
you looked at and maybe patting your game? Well wait, wait,
don't answer, because I'm gonna whisper his ear. Who you
(11:06):
Who's the first guy? So obviously J J. Watt. I
think a lot of people we're talking about, well, Joey too.
But I coach Pascalone. Um was my defensive line coach
for the past um with my sophomore and junior two years.
And he just came when when he came to BC,
came straight from Houston. So, um, I was always watching J.
(11:29):
Jaf film and he's the best to do it, so
you want to learn from the best and uh, you know,
kind of similar to build similar size. Um, you know,
obviously he's uh he's done quite well, quite well, and
you know, I have a ways to go to get there.
But um, you know, I think that's a you know,
a good person to chase. And again Joey bos I
was actually you know it was another guy. Yeah, yeah,
I know. Um, just watch a lot of his tape
(11:51):
and uh so those two guys really have influenced me
a lot. You know, you get a chance during this
week is a lot of people might not know all
the meetings you have with teams. Um, so every meaning
could take different ount of time. Some of them are
gonna be five minutes. You probably not to go more
than fifty match with these teams, but take every way
behind the curtain a little bit, you know, what goes
on in in terms of oh, it's just all the
information you've gotta give these guys. Yeah, a lot of
(12:13):
it is you know, repetitive questions, but um yeah, knowing
a lot about yourself. But a lot of scouts, you know,
they came to practice because BC we actually had a
lot of pro prospects. So they knew a lot about us.
Just make sure you know you're telling the truth. And
no red flags, major red flags. And you know, my
favorite parts when we just started talking football, Um, you know,
watching old game tape, drawn up defenses. Um, you know
(12:36):
that's I love football and I love talking it. So
that's my favorite part about it. You can tell us.
I know you probably don't want to tell the teams.
You don't want to take anybody off Patriots fan, I'm
not actually now. I grew up um a Giants and
Dolphins fans because I was right by New York, so
the Giants and they were winning the Super Bowls Dophins. Yeah,
well my mom was a cheerier for the Dolphins, so
(12:57):
I grew up in so you know, always had those
when you were watching like Ace Ventura that she referenced
part of this, Yeah she was, yeah back in the eighties.
Yeah she um, she was doing it to pay for
school and pay for you know, my grandmother's cancer treatments
at the time. But yeah she uh yeah, both my parents,
(13:19):
you know, we're really instrumental and have great stories and
very blessed to have them. I love that. Well, the
last question for me, let's get through your rookie year.
It's a year from now you're looking back, Um, what
you wanted, what you looking to accomplish a year one? Yeah,
I think I want to be, you know, more than
a contributor. I want to be an all pro guy. UM.
I think I have the potential to do that. You know,
(13:40):
just seeing the guys who I've played against, um and
how I've compared and seeing the success they've had, like
the Quentin Nelson, the Bradley Chub this year and Harold Um.
You know, it's allays, you know, competition. I feel like
I'm on the same level and seeing that success. But
also um, you know saying in football goes as the
D line goes, the team goes, so UM, being on
a successful D line and you know, bringing to success
(14:03):
to that D line hopefully driving us to a championship
would be uh A really special way to start out
an NFL career. I love it. I love That's the
right answer. I love it when you can find a
way to get the ultimate team goal accomplished with also
handling your business individual that's the right answer. Thanks for timing,
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Cavo one remote that does it all. Zac Allen definitely
brought the power. When you looked at him during the
one on ones, he did not lie to us his
first rep. He did try and bowl rush, try and
show off that strength and power that he possesses. It
was a good week for Boston College players down there.
I thought lest from the Guard from Boston College had
(15:49):
a great week of practice as well. So fun to
watch those guys compete back. Allen definitely a high effort player,
no doubt about that. Got a chance to see that firsthand.
Another player that the flash during the week of practice
that an outstanding game is Texas pass rusher Charles a
Mena who he was outstanding and he is with a
(16:09):
fun conversation for us as well. Here's our chat me
Bucky sat down with Mr Menahem. Alright, Buck, We're joined
by Charles right now, and Charles, I gotta start first questions,
very serious question for you. I know you had your
phone out, so I'm gonna go social media. I want
you to you're with your favorite follow could be Twitter, Instagram, Snapchat?
Who's your favorite follow? My favorite follow? So who felt like?
(16:30):
Who do you follow that you enjoyed following? So this
is a guy named Chief Obie. He's a he's a comedian.
I'm Nigerian, so that's where the name coming from. He's
Nigered and man, he's hilarious, dude, Like, if I need,
I stayed into my culture. So and he's really really funny.
He keeps the comedy side of our culture upbeat and
(16:50):
if I need to laugh, I'll go right to his
Instagram or Twitter page and its Chief who Chief? I
think it's Chief Underscobia follow. Yeah. All right, So the
end of your career texts you guys obviously turned around,
but you had a coaching change. What did you find
out about yourself? And having to deal with the coaching
change and all the stuff to kind of went with that.
(17:11):
So I mean, you know, people, you have a coaching
change of coach change of how things are done, so
you gotta adapt. So just you look at it as
a business man like in business people calm people go.
You gotta be learned how to adapt and adapt situations
and be able to excel in whatever situation. And so
coach Strong obviously recruited me big part of the reason
why I came to Texas, but we didn't do what
(17:32):
we needed to do those first two years to keep them.
Man Like, it's a what can you do for me
now kind of deal, especially at you t So they
let him go and burning Coach Tournament. Coach Tournament was
a lot more of a business like just how we're
doing things to the t. Very thought that kind of thing.
So that's how it was, and you gotta adapt to it.
That's or you're gonna be left on the train. It's
like you're on or y'all. So that's all it was.
(17:53):
And I think for me it just showed me and
help understand that. You know, in business, people are gonna
come and go um, and you got to be able
to open to to do whatever and adapt to whatever
situation circumstances that come with it. Let's get into you
as a player here for a minute. Here you can
do a lot of different things where if you could
choose one role for yourself and where would you like
to play, what would you like to do? I mean obviously, like, uh,
(18:14):
versatility's used to me and I'm gonna get in your question,
but I feel like I could do whatever a team
or if anybody would ask me and feel like I
need to do, I could do it. Whatever I need
to do to contribute UM right away to an organization,
That's what I do. But what you prefer the I mean,
so I'm very comfortable playing on the edge. Man, very
comfortable playing that defensive and getting out there and uh
rest in the court of that though. Give me, give me,
(18:36):
give me a three word evaluation of you as a pastor.
This is a pass rusher. If I'm gonna to describe
you and a report three words you as a pass rusher,
what are there? Length, explosive, um, dynamic there, you know,
And thinking about that, I was at the Sugar Bowl,
had a chance to watch you against Georgia. That was
a really big game. I came away thinking that was
a really big game for your team and for you personally.
(18:56):
Uh what was it about facing Georgia where you guys
said so much to prove and we're so motivated to
play at the high level. So yeah, you know, you
get the the SEC big twel deal and you get
the SEC is here and everybody else is like trying
to reach them or whatever, and just I mean it's
out there, man. People talk about George is gonna be
my fourteen plus. Uh, Georgia felt like they were snubbed
(19:20):
or whatever with the playoffs stuff, so they're gonna be
up in there like trying to ready ram us on
our face. And we heard those things, and we use
that motivation to be like no man like we're Texas.
We're big dogs too, just because when the big twel
don't mean so we came out there and just fire
man here on fire. You know what I'm saying. Energy
was high from snap the first snap to the last
(19:41):
man were just ready to go. Don't you put your
scouting hat on? Here? Joined two scouts here and let's
do some scouting. I want to talk about maybe the
most electric player in college football, Kyler Murray. You got
a chance to see him twice, so I want a
little evaluation on him and maybe a comparison but to
what you saw on Kyler Murray and the guy he
replaced in Baker Mayfield. So yeah, Kylage up man. Best
player I've ever played against my life, hands down. Um
(20:04):
dynamic with running the ball, and then also people might
not give him as much credit, but he can throw
that thing just because you can run man um. So yeah,
but comparing him to Baker, Baker just did the Baker
than run the ball like he did. Baker is elusive. Now,
so you go back and watch our game. I mean,
Baker dug some sacks, need one Unfortunately, where I could
(20:26):
have two. Secon was bad but just got one. But
he's elusive to but not to the love of college
um throwing. I think they're right there with each other.
They're both very accurate, um trust that. They both trust
their arms like crazy. But I think College is better
just because he can run the thing. Can you feel
his speed? Like a lot of times you have defensive
players and they know how fast is Like somebody said,
(20:46):
can you can you feel it? You feel his speed
when you're on the field. Yeah, so, um. The first
time we played him is option play, and I had
My job was to slow play him so he would
pitch it and give time for everybody. Raley to the
pitch man. And so he was runing the option. He's
going the sidelines kind of pretty close but not not
too close, and I'm playing them and he seemed that
You're gonna keep it, but he was playing so slow,
(21:09):
so he was like, law, he was sleeping us. And
then go dude, like like lightning went by me, Bro,
And I looked back to my my dB, I'm like,
did you just see this man? Like he was literally
right there and then hit the sidelines so fast, Bro.
And then he's so good at like tiptoe and getting
a little extra yards and extending the ball because you
know Heke carries the ball. And I was like, dude,
(21:29):
we're going to against somebody's real deal, like Mike Vickers.
That's nice. I mean, that's that's that's an awesome quote.
I want to know even more about it because you
faced him twice. How much did he change in the
second game from the first game? Didn't run as much.
The second game was a lot more of they're trying
to pound the rock and we did. We did a
(21:50):
decent job pusus of the run, but they were trying
to throw that ball and move the pocket a little
bit there. There are a lot more balanced than they
were the first game. Last question for me, I want
to just get into your rookie is getting ready to
bark on your pro career. Here were your goals you're one.
Your rookie goals, um one. I mean, I just want
to contribute like a high level for whatever team blessing
(22:10):
me the opportunity of being in the felon and be
picked by them. So I want to be able to
contribute early level, at like early stage and making impact
on the team and hopefully we'll get some games out
to the playoffs and get lottle taste of high playoff
football is and I like it and I'm looking forward
to watching it compete this week at Senior Bowl. Uh,
do your best out there, and we'll catch you as
(22:31):
you you march on this draft towards or this path
towards drafty. So thank you so much, my appreciate Uh.
I was a fun young man to talk to. And man,
you talk about what you want your defensive to look like,
That's exactly what brought up. And enjoy getting his perspective
its own quarterbacks. I love talking to these players and
get their ideas and thoughts about their opponents down there
(22:52):
on the field in the battle, and you have to
find out who they are impressed by. And wow, that
was definitely strong words about Kyler Murray, comparing him with
what he saw from Baker Mayfield. So I really enjoyed
that conversation. Look forward to watching him as we head
towards the NFL scouting combine. Well that's gonna do it
for us today. It was a fun week, a jam
(23:14):
packed week. We're trying to get our feedback underneath us
back here in California. After a great time down there
in Mobile, Alabama. But we will have plenty of Super
Bowl talk coming your way. The big game not too
far away. We've got you covered right here. I'd move
the six, don't go anywhere, and we've got lots of
content coming your way as we marched towards the draft,
and first of all, as we marched towards the biggest
(23:36):
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