December 5, 2025 • 19 mins
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks are joined by ESPN college football analyst Greg McElroy for a discussion on evolution of college football, coaching contracts, NIL and practice styles. Together, the trio discuss how to fix the problem of college football scheduling and offer a solution that would incentivize teams to schedule out-of-conference games. Plus, Greg breaks down the player that impressed him the most this season and explains why Alabama QB Ty Simpson would benefit from a second season as a starter before entering the NFL Draft.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the stick, DJ and
Buck with you. Buck excited about this one man. We
got a chance to have a friend and a really
an awesome, awesome guest on the show today. He has
ESPN college football analyst Greg mcclroy. Really one of the
best in the business. That's someone we've been looking forward
to chat with about all that's going on in the
world of college football. So here's our conversation with Greg McElroy. Well, Greg,
(00:31):
appreciate you man, appreciate taking some time for us. I
want to hit you up on some landscape questions here,
just of how college football's changed from when we were
all going through it to where we are today. And
I was telling Bucky the day, I said, man, people
can argue. Some people say it's good, some people can
say it's bad. What we have to agree on, gosh,
it is kind of entertaining. I mean, we have no
idea what the heck is going to happen next.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You know, it's funny. I don't know. I'm sure you
guys get the question all the time. It's like, how
much would you have made in the Nile, and I
always tell him, I'm like, I really don't. I don't care,
as much as that sounds crazy, because it'd be great
to go into the NFL and or go into your
professional life at that head started, it's amazing, But there
was some type of purity about when we played where
everyone in the locker room was the same. There was
(01:13):
no salary cap, there was no nothing, so you were
naive when you got to the league just how the
world worked. Frankly, we hang on a second. I don't
like that guy. He makes more than me, Why you
know what I mean? Like, the league was just different
in that way. So I think it's actually it's consolidated rosters.
There's fewer holes you get young in a hurry when
you get hurt in some spots because rosters are thin,
(01:36):
and the parody across the board. It's like the NFL.
There was a point in the season. I don't know
if it held up, but there was a point in
the season in which the margin of victory in the
Southeastern Conference was actually tighter than that in the NFL.
And it was like Week nine or ten. So it's
crazy how it's changed, but it certainly has become a
lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I got to ask you this because being a quarterback
of a team that won a title, I just want
to how do you feel like that impacts the team
dynamic in terms of like people talk about the money,
but getting the team on the same page, not only.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Coach the player, but player the player.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
People not worrying about what everyone is in everyone's pocket.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I think that's why these coaches make as much as
they do. You can tell me because of the competitive
landscape and the coaching world and Jimmy Sex and also stuff,
these coaches are gonna are going through a stress level
that you cannot imagine. Just and I'm telling you you
can talk to Lane Kiffin, you can talk to Mike
Elko at Texas A and M you can to talk
to any coach in the sport right now. And their
biggest challenge is getting by it genuine, authentic buy it.
(02:35):
And it's adjusting. And there's a point in which it
was just an arms race. Everyone go get as much
as you can from who and this school's paying more
than this school, and also the stuff. Now it's come
back to the mean a little bit, and you're starting
to see a little bit more uniformity when it comes
to contracts, and a lot of the contracts with these
guys are now signing are incentive laden deals. So if
the school goes and wins and has success, you get
(02:58):
paid on the back end, which to me is genius.
That's the way to do it. And I think that's
where we're kind of heading. But they're in a little
bit of before anyone knew what they were doing in
this world. It took a while for us to get there,
but we're progressing in that. In that direction, I think
it will be helpful with buy in and with just
culture within the locker room.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, I would think all coaches would agree on that, like, hey,
the money's fine, but let's make it incentive. Let's give
it to guys once you've done something instead of on
the front the front door before you even.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Got in here.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
One of the things I was curious about having, you know,
called games and been to practices and been around programs.
Curious if you've seen any of this shift when we
go back to the teams, when when we were scouting,
where it was the Miami teams, the USC era obviously
you know coach Sabans era, we saw it in Oklahoma.
These were the most physical practices. Greg and I remember
talking to all these coaches and being like, how do
(03:46):
you guys bang like this? And like we got three
other five stars this guy. Something happens, you don't want it,
but man, we got another one we could roll in here.
And I'm watching to take it do it. Starting draft
prep and going through this, and I'm like, I haven't
seen a team where I'm like, oh, oh my gosh,
like the Georgia team of a couple of years ago,
were lines are coming on and off the field. It
seems like that talent has been dispersalb it has been
(04:07):
spread around a little bit more. Have you seen a
difference in the practice because of that.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
It's funny that you asked that we visited with a program.
I won't say who. I don't want. I don't want
to to wear out the reputation of the head coach.
But the defensive coordinator they were missing tackles right and left,
and the defensive corners like guys, he goes to the
head coach. He goes, coach, can we please thud and practice?
(04:35):
We have to thud, like we don't need to tackle
to the ground but this whole tagging off stuff, like
our guys aren't in position they think they are because
it's blown dead and the good on good periods, but
we have to get nine on seven back in our
practice plan. We have to do something to just kind
of make sure that we're making the tackle. So they're
now thudding and in the last four weeks season it's
like wha the defense, you know they're playing good, you
(04:58):
know what I mean. So I think that there's a
lot of fear within the coaching staff because you lose
a guy, now you're dead. You're going with the freshman,
or you're going with the guy that in some cases
might be a walk on that is in year four
of his development. But it's it's a lot harder now
because one guy being out is just it completely changes
what you are. I mean, you look at a team Georgia,
(05:18):
I think it's the best. You guys just gouted and
watched Georgia forever. I'm not sure there's a better roster
on an annual basis, it's always elite. But you watch
it against Georgia Tech, they lose their center and they've
been without some offensive linemen this year. They lose one guy,
it's like the old line doesn't know how to block anymore.
In one game, it's like, you know, and I'm sure
they'll get it right in the event in which he
misses extra time. But in that game, in the Georgia
(05:40):
Tech game specifically, it was like, this is not the
Georgia offensive line we've seen forever. So I think there
is a fear there and we've seen a lot of
guys too be lost in practice this year and it's unfortunate.
I think the coaches are now starting to realize, like, look,
they're gonna get hurt in games, They're gonna get hurting price.
We have to at least know that we can play
at the physical level required to win games. So I
(06:02):
think we're starting to see a bit of a reversion
after we saw a lot of tagging off in the
last few years practice wise.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, it's funny that you said that, because here and
Kirby you talk about physicality and toughness all the time.
When it comes to Georgia. I'm just so used to
them talking about Bloody Tuesday and the way they get
after it, and I think it has to be that.
One thing I want to ask you is because Sart
came out and talked about like the rankings and those things.
And one of the things that we love about college
football is those non conference matchups that are good on
(06:28):
good early to see where you are. But when you
don't get rewarded and the rankings for playing a tough schedule,
how much is that going to impact what we the
viewer loves is seeing these competitive matchups in September.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well, I think there's going to be an adjustment there,
and I think there needs to be. And I've had
conversations with higher ups in college football, is like, this
is a very easy solution. We want those games. It's
good for television, which we're all for most of us
more than others. It's good for the NFL, it's good
for scouting. I think it's also good for just figuring out,
all right, which conference can do what you know, I mean,
(07:02):
it's good for a lot of things. What I suggest
and what I've told people that are in places that
could maybe make adjustments is when we look at non
conference games. Non conference games, you're playing Texas against Ohio State.
So fast forward to the end of the year, Ohio
States records twelve and OHO Texas's record is nine and three. Correct.
(07:23):
What I would suggest is that we view on paper,
we view Ohio States record as twelve and a half
an oh we view Texas's record as nine and two,
and we removed that game. So you can only get
credit for that game, but you don't get penalized for
that game. Does that make sense. There's only incentive to
(07:46):
play and it's not going to necessarily be held against you. So,
for example, the same can be said for Alabama. Alabama,
they're sitting there ten and two, Well, they lost to
Florida State Week one, big high profile game. Well now
they're ten and one. In Florida State. On the other hand,
they would get a game and a half, so it
would be conference kind of like in the NFL world,
a division win is really worth one and a half
(08:07):
games as opposed to a conference win, which is about
one point twenty five. Against a non conference win on
NFC team, that's basically just one game. So I think
there's a way to weight the games a little heavier
so that we still incentivize those games getting played, but
it won't be held against you at the end of
the day when looking at your overall schedule.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, and then like the cynic will soa yeah, and
don't lose to Florida. Uh, you know would be centics
answer because I was looking at it going well, usc
is a three loss team. If they don't go play
Notre Dame out of conference, they're in the same boat.
They got two losses. And then the answer would be, well,
you can't lose to Illinois. You can't go on the
road and lose to Illinois.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So and I think this, but you could also say,
like a team like Indiana, you don't get any credit
for your non conference wins. Yeah, because they play tennessa
they didn't play anybody, which is fine. We should evaluate
them through a lens of their nine to zero that's
what they are. Whereas Ohio eight. All right, they're nine
to zero against their conference, but they also get that
tent ten and a half wins because they won that
(09:06):
non conference game. So I think there's a way of
measuring it and adjusting it. And you, by the way,
if Texas is nine and two, SCS nine and two,
BAM is ten and one. We look at these other
teams that played games, well, Michigan played against Oklahoma Oklahoma
and then would get a win Michigan wouldn't. So that's
another three loss team that might be in the mix.
But would it even be enough to crack the argument?
(09:27):
Maybe not, Maybe so, But I think that's a way
of kind of fixing it and still encouraging teams to
play those games, but not necessarily kill them for losing them.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, it's such a child. It's a challenge trying to
figure that thing out. I think the the best way
to say it is just go win your conference. You know,
even even if you're in if you're in the big
ten in the SEC, just get to the conference game,
be one of those two teams, get in the conference
championship game. You're in the You're going to be in
the tournament here once.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
We get there.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Is there a player you've seen this year? Maybe maybe
not the you know, the obvious one or whatever, but
there was a player where you left the stadium you're like, gosh,
id this guy was good on tape, but seeing him
live and in person, that's a different feel, and it's
like this is a this is a much better player
than I thought.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah. It's the guy that I've told all the scouts
about that I've talked to is Reuben Bain at Miami.
Someone's going and is he your prototypical like where does
this fit world? No, he's kind of sought off, but
he plays with such power and he's got enough twitch
to where I think he can still be a very capable,
(10:26):
edge dependent I don't think he's ever going to be
a guy in the NFL that has it has twenty sacks, like,
that's not him. But he's a guy in the NFL
that's gonna have eight and a half sacks and he's
going to be a problem every single week, and play
him inside and out. I just think Rubin Bain, if
you watch him on production and violence, there's very few
(10:48):
people I think that play better than him. Now does
it translate? I think it does, But it's not going
to be the same flash that he would anticipate for
a guy that's coming off of the top five picks.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I got to hit you on this because I feel
like this is going to hit close to home. Just
give me a take on Ta Simpson and what you've
seen from him this year as a start at Alabama.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You know it's I was having a conversation with the
defensive coordinator and he said, go watch Burrows first, year
as a starter, and then go watch his second year
as a starter, because while Tye yes fourth year in
the program four years, these are only his making his
thirteenth start on Saturday, so it's still a pretty small
sample size of where he can grow. I think he's
(11:32):
learning every week. But there was a throw. I think
it was the South Carolina game. I was talking to
an NFL quarterback coach that had a bye week and
came to watch him. It was against Oklahoma, so this
pad week to go. But he threw a ball in
the air that's sixty eight yards in the air against
South Carolina, I believe, And it was like, quote, I
didn't know he had that. You know, I didn't know
(11:53):
he had that type of juice. The ball, I think
jumps off his hand better than you realize. I think
his ball placement can continue to improve. There was a
point early in the year where he was anticipating throws
across the middle. Like I always watch guys as they
translate to the next level, how comfortable are they working
between the hashes? How comfortable are they working, you know,
a yard or two outside the hashes, because that's where
(12:13):
the trouble is. And in the league like you got.
Everyone makes the downfield throws on the outside the numbers,
that's I can live with that. The back shoulder throws,
all this stuff, Everyone's got that, But who can challenge
the middle and thread the needle in the windows. And
I feel like he was doing it better than anybody
the way he was layering balls or defenders and things
like that. So I love him. In a perfect world
(12:34):
for his development long term, I think would be for
him to come back and to have one more year
playing college football. Because this is another thing too about
Tye that I appreciate a lot of the guys that
come out after thirteen, fourteen, fifteen starts, they've never experienced adversity,
you know. They it was just smooth saling and ride
their way right into the pros and they'll be fine.
(12:55):
Tye has gotten hit and he has whether the storm,
and I think at times he has elevated his team
and has been clutch too. Fourth down execution has been imperative.
I look at fourth down an eight throw that he
made sliding to his left against Missouri. Man coverage recognized
and anticipated it, put it in a bucket twenty two
yards downfield. That was tight. I think he's a franchise quarterback.
(13:18):
I really do. I just think it would be beneficial
for him to have another year, or if he gets
to the pros, have a year where he's learning from
a guy that's kind of showing him how to be
a pro, and then in year two he takes over
and becomes the guy.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I know, we're all in the same boat where you
get coaches calling you and asking you, you know, hey,
we're trying to figure out whether this guy should go,
whether he shouldn't. What do you think, you know, what
are the expectations of where he would get picked, how
successful he would be. I don't think it's ever been
easier to make a case for a kid to come
back to school, Like when you just look at the
data and you look at the man and you're up
against it. If you haven't started a lot of ballgames,
(13:53):
it's just that's not a great track record. The more
you play it seems to be the more beneficial because
even when you were playing the NFL, I don't I mean,
whatever developmental time they could put into you, it's even
less now of what they can put into these guys
if they're not playing. And now, on top of that,
the thing was, well, gosh, I don't want to turn
down the money. There's money waiting for me. Well, now
we give you a big chunk of money at these
(14:14):
big schools. Now, Like it seems like it should be
an easy sell for a guy like Ty Simpson to me, like,
hey man, this is all gonna help you. You come back,
you're going to play more, We're going to take care
of you financially, maybe go win a national championship, but
it's going to make you a better professional because we
can develop you here where you're not going to get
that same development in the NFL right now.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
No, My first year in the league was eleven, and
that was off the lockout when they got rid of
two A days and basically killed the development of the
of the young quarterback that needed it. And it was
all in an effort for the guys that were on
the NFLPA at that time to extend their career, which
I totally don't blame them. Hey, less practices, less contact.
I would do the same thing if I were in
year nine. But I was a rookie, you know, and
(14:53):
I needed those reps and wanted those reps desperately. And
I agree with you completely. I think there's no better
way to improve than to actually play, and especially for
a guy at quarterback that you know, ball security, nuanced,
moving in the pocket, seeing things, making adjustments, pre snapped,
identifying a protection, identifying and sliding your protection to save yourself, understanding, hey,
(15:15):
I got to get the ball out as hot. I
can't block them all here, seeing your blitz adjustments and
covers zero take advantage of plays. I mean, I think
that all that stuff, and and it'd be one thing
if you're running gimmicky offense that doesn't translate. Yeah, if
you're in an offense that does translate an Oregon or
or an Alabama and and an Ohio state, which I
think is an offense that now translates with how it
(15:36):
made tweaks. I think there's a there's a handful of
offenses that are still little gimmicky. I think you guys,
you guys know the ones, but they're that where they're
basically like, all right, throw to this guy, throw it
to your X, you know, throw it to your throw
it to your Why. I would have loved to have
played in one, Unfortunately I didn't. But I think splits are.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Wide enough where the coach can shake your hand on
the sideline before the.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Shake your hand, poke you in the ear. Yeah, I
mean the ones that you know, those are not real.
Those those don't translate quite as well. So I think
if you're an offense that translates, I think it makes
a lot of sense to come back and play. But
then again, I also get it. Everyone's dream is to
be a top five pick, and there are those. There
are those horror stories, if you will, if you want
(16:23):
to call him that. Carson Becks an example where Carson
Beck was a top five pick. Was he ever? I
don't know, And then he comes back, doesn't have a
great year, hurts his elbow, and then starts from the ground,
and now I think we're just way back up a
little bit in the eyes of many. So there are
horror stories there too. But I always think coming back
and playing is the way i'd lean if I were
(16:44):
on the on the bubble of be in the top
fifteen pick, I'd rather be a top five pick, would
come back next year and establish a legacy in college.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Last one, I know, I know you got to run.
I'm gonna bug I know he's got to catch a
flight here. Last thing. Then we'll get you out here?
Are we You're not tell me you're not to bring
food on the plane? Guy?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Are you No? No, that's no we were.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
We were having to hear this episode. There's nothing worse, man,
There's nothing you want to hear.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
You want to hear a true.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Story real quick. So I'm on a plane and some
person sits down next to me and then they're eating
a real smelly burrito.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So I tweet.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I tweet out, I kid you not. I tweet out, like, uh,
the person next to me is just gross. It smells.
So anyways, you're sitting there. Halfway through the flight, she goes,
are you are you Daniel Jeremiah? Oh no, I went
to high school. I went to high school with the person.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
What are the odds? Is that the one?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And so I'm talking to her why I'm trying to
delete a tweet so that sees this thing? I mean what,
it's an all time jerk move on my part.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yea, when's your next reunion? When is your next because
that is going up on the Where are they now?
Daniel Jeremiah and ridiculing his high school friend unbelievable?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, because you know, you know, they're just like, oh,
this guy, you know, this guy's the radio color commentator,
really thinks he's made it in life. Sure.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I will say this though, I will say this, if
you were to bring food on the plate, there are
certain food items that are appropriate. A burrito, frankly inappropriate
food item. Bring the plate. That's just that's an aggressive
play anything the flight, no food? What airports serving it?
To go?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, Phillips, there's like a Phillips. There's a Phillips.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Uh. And to go Chicago?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, yeah, you go and there people will get it
to go.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I've been on the plane whre people have busted out
some salmon next to me. Oh well, I wish you
best of luck on your flight, Greg, I hope you.
I hope you have nothing but crackers next.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
To you on this Yeah. Yeah, crackers and those little
tasty bars bestro bars or whatever they're called. So yeah,
I appreciate you guys, enjoyed the show always.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You're the best man. We'll see you last. There he
goes Greg Michailroy, ESPN analyst college football analysts who does
a great job, does a great job calling games. It's
a lot harder than you think, by the way, to
call those games. Buck and someone who I think when
you watch and I always go can you explain it?
Can you make you smarter? And he does both those things.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah. Look, he's so good at what he's done.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
He's been able to take his career and what he's
been able to learn as a college quarterback as a
pro quarterback and really explain it. I love watching this
telecast and even his own podcast. He's really good at
what he does.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, a really nice job.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
All Right, that was a fun conversation. Hope you guys
enjoyed it, and we'll see you next time. Right here on,
Move the sticks.
And now move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the stick, DJ and
Buck with you. Buck excited about this one man. We
got a chance to have a friend and a really
an awesome, awesome guest on the show today. He has
ESPN college football analyst Greg mcclroy. Really one of the
best in the business. That's someone we've been looking forward
to chat with about all that's going on in the
world of college football. So here's our conversation with Greg McElroy. Well, Greg,
(00:31):
appreciate you man, appreciate taking some time for us. I
want to hit you up on some landscape questions here,
just of how college football's changed from when we were
all going through it to where we are today. And
I was telling Bucky the day, I said, man, people
can argue. Some people say it's good, some people can
say it's bad. What we have to agree on, gosh,
it is kind of entertaining. I mean, we have no
idea what the heck is going to happen next.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You know, it's funny. I don't know. I'm sure you
guys get the question all the time. It's like, how
much would you have made in the Nile, and I
always tell him, I'm like, I really don't. I don't care,
as much as that sounds crazy, because it'd be great
to go into the NFL and or go into your
professional life at that head started, it's amazing, But there
was some type of purity about when we played where
everyone in the locker room was the same. There was
(01:13):
no salary cap, there was no nothing, so you were
naive when you got to the league just how the
world worked. Frankly, we hang on a second. I don't
like that guy. He makes more than me, Why you
know what I mean? Like, the league was just different
in that way. So I think it's actually it's consolidated rosters.
There's fewer holes you get young in a hurry when
you get hurt in some spots because rosters are thin,
(01:36):
and the parody across the board. It's like the NFL.
There was a point in the season. I don't know
if it held up, but there was a point in
the season in which the margin of victory in the
Southeastern Conference was actually tighter than that in the NFL.
And it was like Week nine or ten. So it's
crazy how it's changed, but it certainly has become a
lot of fun.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I got to ask you this because being a quarterback
of a team that won a title, I just want
to how do you feel like that impacts the team
dynamic in terms of like people talk about the money,
but getting the team on the same page, not only.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Coach the player, but player the player.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
People not worrying about what everyone is in everyone's pocket.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
I think that's why these coaches make as much as
they do. You can tell me because of the competitive
landscape and the coaching world and Jimmy Sex and also stuff,
these coaches are gonna are going through a stress level
that you cannot imagine. Just and I'm telling you you
can talk to Lane Kiffin, you can talk to Mike
Elko at Texas A and M you can to talk
to any coach in the sport right now. And their
biggest challenge is getting by it genuine, authentic buy it.
(02:35):
And it's adjusting. And there's a point in which it
was just an arms race. Everyone go get as much
as you can from who and this school's paying more
than this school, and also the stuff. Now it's come
back to the mean a little bit, and you're starting
to see a little bit more uniformity when it comes
to contracts, and a lot of the contracts with these
guys are now signing are incentive laden deals. So if
the school goes and wins and has success, you get
(02:58):
paid on the back end, which to me is genius.
That's the way to do it. And I think that's
where we're kind of heading. But they're in a little
bit of before anyone knew what they were doing in
this world. It took a while for us to get there,
but we're progressing in that. In that direction, I think
it will be helpful with buy in and with just
culture within the locker room.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Yeah, I would think all coaches would agree on that, like, hey,
the money's fine, but let's make it incentive. Let's give
it to guys once you've done something instead of on
the front the front door before you even.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Got in here.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
One of the things I was curious about having, you know,
called games and been to practices and been around programs.
Curious if you've seen any of this shift when we
go back to the teams, when when we were scouting,
where it was the Miami teams, the USC era obviously
you know coach Sabans era, we saw it in Oklahoma.
These were the most physical practices. Greg and I remember
talking to all these coaches and being like, how do
(03:46):
you guys bang like this? And like we got three
other five stars this guy. Something happens, you don't want it,
but man, we got another one we could roll in here.
And I'm watching to take it do it. Starting draft
prep and going through this, and I'm like, I haven't
seen a team where I'm like, oh, oh my gosh,
like the Georgia team of a couple of years ago,
were lines are coming on and off the field. It
seems like that talent has been dispersalb it has been
(04:07):
spread around a little bit more. Have you seen a
difference in the practice because of that.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
It's funny that you asked that we visited with a program.
I won't say who. I don't want. I don't want
to to wear out the reputation of the head coach.
But the defensive coordinator they were missing tackles right and left,
and the defensive corners like guys, he goes to the
head coach. He goes, coach, can we please thud and practice?
(04:35):
We have to thud, like we don't need to tackle
to the ground but this whole tagging off stuff, like
our guys aren't in position they think they are because
it's blown dead and the good on good periods, but
we have to get nine on seven back in our
practice plan. We have to do something to just kind
of make sure that we're making the tackle. So they're
now thudding and in the last four weeks season it's
like wha the defense, you know they're playing good, you
(04:58):
know what I mean. So I think that there's a
lot of fear within the coaching staff because you lose
a guy, now you're dead. You're going with the freshman,
or you're going with the guy that in some cases
might be a walk on that is in year four
of his development. But it's it's a lot harder now
because one guy being out is just it completely changes
what you are. I mean, you look at a team Georgia,
(05:18):
I think it's the best. You guys just gouted and
watched Georgia forever. I'm not sure there's a better roster
on an annual basis, it's always elite. But you watch
it against Georgia Tech, they lose their center and they've
been without some offensive linemen this year. They lose one guy,
it's like the old line doesn't know how to block anymore.
In one game, it's like, you know, and I'm sure
they'll get it right in the event in which he
misses extra time. But in that game, in the Georgia
(05:40):
Tech game specifically, it was like, this is not the
Georgia offensive line we've seen forever. So I think there
is a fear there and we've seen a lot of
guys too be lost in practice this year and it's unfortunate.
I think the coaches are now starting to realize, like, look,
they're gonna get hurt in games, They're gonna get hurting price.
We have to at least know that we can play
at the physical level required to win games. So I
(06:02):
think we're starting to see a bit of a reversion
after we saw a lot of tagging off in the
last few years practice wise.
Speaker 3 (06:07):
Yeah, it's funny that you said that, because here and
Kirby you talk about physicality and toughness all the time.
When it comes to Georgia. I'm just so used to
them talking about Bloody Tuesday and the way they get
after it, and I think it has to be that.
One thing I want to ask you is because Sart
came out and talked about like the rankings and those things.
And one of the things that we love about college
football is those non conference matchups that are good on
(06:28):
good early to see where you are. But when you
don't get rewarded and the rankings for playing a tough schedule,
how much is that going to impact what we the
viewer loves is seeing these competitive matchups in September.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Well, I think there's going to be an adjustment there,
and I think there needs to be. And I've had
conversations with higher ups in college football, is like, this
is a very easy solution. We want those games. It's
good for television, which we're all for most of us
more than others. It's good for the NFL, it's good
for scouting. I think it's also good for just figuring out,
all right, which conference can do what you know, I mean,
(07:02):
it's good for a lot of things. What I suggest
and what I've told people that are in places that
could maybe make adjustments is when we look at non
conference games. Non conference games, you're playing Texas against Ohio State.
So fast forward to the end of the year, Ohio
States records twelve and OHO Texas's record is nine and three. Correct.
(07:23):
What I would suggest is that we view on paper,
we view Ohio States record as twelve and a half
an oh we view Texas's record as nine and two,
and we removed that game. So you can only get
credit for that game, but you don't get penalized for
that game. Does that make sense. There's only incentive to
(07:46):
play and it's not going to necessarily be held against you. So,
for example, the same can be said for Alabama. Alabama,
they're sitting there ten and two, Well, they lost to
Florida State Week one, big high profile game. Well now
they're ten and one. In Florida State. On the other hand,
they would get a game and a half, so it
would be conference kind of like in the NFL world,
a division win is really worth one and a half
(08:07):
games as opposed to a conference win, which is about
one point twenty five. Against a non conference win on
NFC team, that's basically just one game. So I think
there's a way to weight the games a little heavier
so that we still incentivize those games getting played, but
it won't be held against you at the end of
the day when looking at your overall schedule.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Yeah, and then like the cynic will soa yeah, and
don't lose to Florida. Uh, you know would be centics
answer because I was looking at it going well, usc
is a three loss team. If they don't go play
Notre Dame out of conference, they're in the same boat.
They got two losses. And then the answer would be, well,
you can't lose to Illinois. You can't go on the
road and lose to Illinois.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
So and I think this, but you could also say,
like a team like Indiana, you don't get any credit
for your non conference wins. Yeah, because they play tennessa
they didn't play anybody, which is fine. We should evaluate
them through a lens of their nine to zero that's
what they are. Whereas Ohio eight. All right, they're nine
to zero against their conference, but they also get that
tent ten and a half wins because they won that
(09:06):
non conference game. So I think there's a way of
measuring it and adjusting it. And you, by the way,
if Texas is nine and two, SCS nine and two,
BAM is ten and one. We look at these other
teams that played games, well, Michigan played against Oklahoma Oklahoma
and then would get a win Michigan wouldn't. So that's
another three loss team that might be in the mix.
But would it even be enough to crack the argument?
(09:27):
Maybe not, Maybe so, But I think that's a way
of kind of fixing it and still encouraging teams to
play those games, but not necessarily kill them for losing them.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
Yeah, it's such a child. It's a challenge trying to
figure that thing out. I think the the best way
to say it is just go win your conference. You know,
even even if you're in if you're in the big
ten in the SEC, just get to the conference game,
be one of those two teams, get in the conference
championship game. You're in the You're going to be in
the tournament here once.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
We get there.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
Is there a player you've seen this year? Maybe maybe
not the you know, the obvious one or whatever, but
there was a player where you left the stadium you're like, gosh,
id this guy was good on tape, but seeing him
live and in person, that's a different feel, and it's
like this is a this is a much better player
than I thought.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah. It's the guy that I've told all the scouts
about that I've talked to is Reuben Bain at Miami.
Someone's going and is he your prototypical like where does
this fit world? No, he's kind of sought off, but
he plays with such power and he's got enough twitch
to where I think he can still be a very capable,
(10:26):
edge dependent I don't think he's ever going to be
a guy in the NFL that has it has twenty sacks, like,
that's not him. But he's a guy in the NFL
that's gonna have eight and a half sacks and he's
going to be a problem every single week, and play
him inside and out. I just think Rubin Bain, if
you watch him on production and violence, there's very few
(10:48):
people I think that play better than him. Now does
it translate? I think it does, But it's not going
to be the same flash that he would anticipate for
a guy that's coming off of the top five picks.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
I got to hit you on this because I feel
like this is going to hit close to home. Just
give me a take on Ta Simpson and what you've
seen from him this year as a start at Alabama.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
You know it's I was having a conversation with the
defensive coordinator and he said, go watch Burrows first, year
as a starter, and then go watch his second year
as a starter, because while Tye yes fourth year in
the program four years, these are only his making his
thirteenth start on Saturday, so it's still a pretty small
sample size of where he can grow. I think he's
(11:32):
learning every week. But there was a throw. I think
it was the South Carolina game. I was talking to
an NFL quarterback coach that had a bye week and
came to watch him. It was against Oklahoma, so this
pad week to go. But he threw a ball in
the air that's sixty eight yards in the air against
South Carolina, I believe, And it was like, quote, I
didn't know he had that. You know, I didn't know
(11:53):
he had that type of juice. The ball, I think
jumps off his hand better than you realize. I think
his ball placement can continue to improve. There was a
point early in the year where he was anticipating throws
across the middle. Like I always watch guys as they
translate to the next level, how comfortable are they working
between the hashes? How comfortable are they working, you know,
a yard or two outside the hashes, because that's where
(12:13):
the trouble is. And in the league like you got.
Everyone makes the downfield throws on the outside the numbers,
that's I can live with that. The back shoulder throws,
all this stuff, Everyone's got that, But who can challenge
the middle and thread the needle in the windows. And
I feel like he was doing it better than anybody
the way he was layering balls or defenders and things
like that. So I love him. In a perfect world
(12:34):
for his development long term, I think would be for
him to come back and to have one more year
playing college football. Because this is another thing too about
Tye that I appreciate a lot of the guys that
come out after thirteen, fourteen, fifteen starts, they've never experienced adversity,
you know. They it was just smooth saling and ride
their way right into the pros and they'll be fine.
(12:55):
Tye has gotten hit and he has whether the storm,
and I think at times he has elevated his team
and has been clutch too. Fourth down execution has been imperative.
I look at fourth down an eight throw that he
made sliding to his left against Missouri. Man coverage recognized
and anticipated it, put it in a bucket twenty two
yards downfield. That was tight. I think he's a franchise quarterback.
(13:18):
I really do. I just think it would be beneficial
for him to have another year, or if he gets
to the pros, have a year where he's learning from
a guy that's kind of showing him how to be
a pro, and then in year two he takes over
and becomes the guy.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
I know, we're all in the same boat where you
get coaches calling you and asking you, you know, hey,
we're trying to figure out whether this guy should go,
whether he shouldn't. What do you think, you know, what
are the expectations of where he would get picked, how
successful he would be. I don't think it's ever been
easier to make a case for a kid to come
back to school, Like when you just look at the
data and you look at the man and you're up
against it. If you haven't started a lot of ballgames,
(13:53):
it's just that's not a great track record. The more
you play it seems to be the more beneficial because
even when you were playing the NFL, I don't I mean,
whatever developmental time they could put into you, it's even
less now of what they can put into these guys
if they're not playing. And now, on top of that,
the thing was, well, gosh, I don't want to turn
down the money. There's money waiting for me. Well, now
we give you a big chunk of money at these
(14:14):
big schools. Now, Like it seems like it should be
an easy sell for a guy like Ty Simpson to me, like,
hey man, this is all gonna help you. You come back,
you're going to play more, We're going to take care
of you financially, maybe go win a national championship, but
it's going to make you a better professional because we
can develop you here where you're not going to get
that same development in the NFL right now.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
No, My first year in the league was eleven, and
that was off the lockout when they got rid of
two A days and basically killed the development of the
of the young quarterback that needed it. And it was
all in an effort for the guys that were on
the NFLPA at that time to extend their career, which
I totally don't blame them. Hey, less practices, less contact.
I would do the same thing if I were in
year nine. But I was a rookie, you know, and
(14:53):
I needed those reps and wanted those reps desperately. And
I agree with you completely. I think there's no better
way to improve than to actually play, and especially for
a guy at quarterback that you know, ball security, nuanced,
moving in the pocket, seeing things, making adjustments, pre snapped,
identifying a protection, identifying and sliding your protection to save yourself, understanding, hey,
(15:15):
I got to get the ball out as hot. I
can't block them all here, seeing your blitz adjustments and
covers zero take advantage of plays. I mean, I think
that all that stuff, and and it'd be one thing
if you're running gimmicky offense that doesn't translate. Yeah, if
you're in an offense that does translate an Oregon or
or an Alabama and and an Ohio state, which I
think is an offense that now translates with how it
(15:36):
made tweaks. I think there's a there's a handful of
offenses that are still little gimmicky. I think you guys,
you guys know the ones, but they're that where they're
basically like, all right, throw to this guy, throw it
to your X, you know, throw it to your throw
it to your Why. I would have loved to have
played in one, Unfortunately I didn't. But I think splits are.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Wide enough where the coach can shake your hand on
the sideline before the.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
Shake your hand, poke you in the ear. Yeah, I
mean the ones that you know, those are not real.
Those those don't translate quite as well. So I think
if you're an offense that translates, I think it makes
a lot of sense to come back and play. But
then again, I also get it. Everyone's dream is to
be a top five pick, and there are those. There
are those horror stories, if you will, if you want
(16:23):
to call him that. Carson Becks an example where Carson
Beck was a top five pick. Was he ever? I
don't know, And then he comes back, doesn't have a
great year, hurts his elbow, and then starts from the ground,
and now I think we're just way back up a
little bit in the eyes of many. So there are
horror stories there too. But I always think coming back
and playing is the way i'd lean if I were
(16:44):
on the on the bubble of be in the top
fifteen pick, I'd rather be a top five pick, would
come back next year and establish a legacy in college.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Last one, I know, I know you got to run.
I'm gonna bug I know he's got to catch a
flight here. Last thing. Then we'll get you out here?
Are we You're not tell me you're not to bring
food on the plane? Guy?
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Are you No? No, that's no we were.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
We were having to hear this episode. There's nothing worse, man,
There's nothing you want to hear.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
You want to hear a true.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
Story real quick. So I'm on a plane and some
person sits down next to me and then they're eating
a real smelly burrito.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
So I tweet.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
I tweet out, I kid you not. I tweet out, like, uh,
the person next to me is just gross. It smells.
So anyways, you're sitting there. Halfway through the flight, she goes,
are you are you Daniel Jeremiah? Oh no, I went
to high school. I went to high school with the person.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
What are the odds? Is that the one?
Speaker 2 (17:44):
And so I'm talking to her why I'm trying to
delete a tweet so that sees this thing? I mean what,
it's an all time jerk move on my part.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Yea, when's your next reunion? When is your next because
that is going up on the Where are they now?
Daniel Jeremiah and ridiculing his high school friend unbelievable?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, because you know, you know, they're just like, oh,
this guy, you know, this guy's the radio color commentator,
really thinks he's made it in life. Sure.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
I will say this though, I will say this, if
you were to bring food on the plate, there are
certain food items that are appropriate. A burrito, frankly inappropriate
food item. Bring the plate. That's just that's an aggressive
play anything the flight, no food? What airports serving it?
To go?
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yeah, Phillips, there's like a Phillips. There's a Phillips.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Uh. And to go Chicago?
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Yeah, yeah, you go and there people will get it
to go.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
I've been on the plane whre people have busted out
some salmon next to me. Oh well, I wish you
best of luck on your flight, Greg, I hope you.
I hope you have nothing but crackers next.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
To you on this Yeah. Yeah, crackers and those little
tasty bars bestro bars or whatever they're called. So yeah,
I appreciate you guys, enjoyed the show always.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
You're the best man. We'll see you last. There he
goes Greg Michailroy, ESPN analyst college football analysts who does
a great job, does a great job calling games. It's
a lot harder than you think, by the way, to
call those games. Buck and someone who I think when
you watch and I always go can you explain it?
Can you make you smarter? And he does both those things.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Yeah. Look, he's so good at what he's done.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
He's been able to take his career and what he's
been able to learn as a college quarterback as a
pro quarterback and really explain it. I love watching this
telecast and even his own podcast. He's really good at
what he does.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
Yeah, a really nice job.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
All Right, that was a fun conversation. Hope you guys
enjoyed it, and we'll see you next time. Right here on,
Move the sticks.
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