May 27, 2025 • 30 mins
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks break down how the Jaguars plan to unlock Travis Hunter’s unique skill set. Plus, DJ shares five powerful takeaways from the book Together We Roared—lessons that resonate far beyond the page and onto the football field.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ Buck
with you, Buck? What is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It looks like you're in the fl here.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I am.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm down in Florida, down in Jacksonville. We have some
preseason TV meetings that we're going over. I spent a
couple of days watching the team. They got three OTA
practices while I'm down here, so I check the team out.
Get a chance to give you an update on what
Travis Hunter is doing as a two way player, because
we've never really seen that happened, so really excited about it.
More pointanly, I'm looking forward to seeing what Trevor Lawrence
(00:37):
is able to do because the new money on his
deal is about the kick in and with more money
comes higher expectations, and so we're looking for Trevor Lawrence
to make a huge jump this year.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Oh that's going to get us right into this. It's
time for the lead block, presented by Team Mobile for Business.
Football needs a network willing to go the extra yards.
So do you go further? With t Mobile for Business, Buck,
We're going to get into a book that I've I've
read about a different sport and we're going to bring
it to football. But before we do that, I do
want to start off, and you just tease it there
with the fact that you're in Jacksonville. Let's start. First
(01:09):
of all, I think people listen to us want to
know is what is the early plan. What is the
early thoughts there on what you see from Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So the early plan right now is he's an offensive.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Player who also has defensive obligation, so he's a two
way player.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
But I would say, like if he was playing on
my high school team, we.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Would do Travis Hunter like a one and a half player,
meaning he's going to start on offense and then he's
going to be a situational player on defense, which makes
a lot of sense anyone who is coached high school,
who's played high school, that's typically how you go. You
don't want to wear your guy out all the way.
And I think there's a smart way to be able
to get it done. And they have everything planned out.
So from a practice schedule, standpoint three days of offense,
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one day at defense. Cover those situations that you need
him on defense. Make sure he's ready for that, whether
that's third down, red zone, got to have his situations,
have him ready.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I think it's It's also a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Easier to do it when you're more of a zone
based team than a man based team, because when you
think about zone, it's not the running around that is
required in man demand when it's zone coverage is see ball,
get ball, hang in your area, those things. And I
also think that plays to his strengths. One of the
things that I believed in Travis Hunter when he was
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coming out. I didn't necessarily see him as a lockdown corner.
I saw him as a playmaking corner, someone that was
going to potentially pick off a lot of passes because
his ball skills are exceptional, His awareness and instincts, all
of those things stood out to me. I think it'd
be a good fit. I'm excited to see how they
do it. But really, man, the kid is the one
that makes it work. He is all ball, all the time,
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and that has been a bit of a change in
terms of like the energy that he brings. It's infectious
and it changes the dynamic in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
What is you know, what does that offense look like?
Give give me an idea of they go out there
in the spring here in this time, I'm heading it
in the summer. Give me that skill position group. What's that?
What's that look like?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
DJ?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I think it's gonna be very, very reminiscent to what
the Rams did early in Sean mcvay's tenure. So don't
think about the latest iteration of the Rams when it
was Pooka and Cooper Cup and those guys. I want
you to go back to when it was Robert Woods,
Brandon Cook's Cooper Cup and how they were fast and
dynamic and really trying to stretch the field but then
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being able to dump it off. I think it's going
to be that version Toami Brown, Ryan Thomas Junior, Travis Hunter,
you're here, Breton Strange name come in there as to
tie end one.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Parker Washington will play a big role in this offense.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
But this offense is going to be one where they
think they can create explosive plays vertically and horizontally. And
I would also say this, like Travis it's Yen. There's
some conversation about wave it's in. He could actually benefit
with the vertical stretch game because that may create more
space for him to operate underneath and but y'all too,
(04:00):
the rioky from Virginia Tech.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
You can I know him, he might get some stuff. Now, look,
I led you wrong last year when I said years ago,
two years ago. So then so then I'm just.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Signed the penalty box. I put you in the penalty
box for a year in terms of my fantasy advice
for my little fancy football team. But you're out of
the penalty box now. I'm back taking all Bucket Books recommendations.
So Tooting, I'll definitely make a note on that one.
What's the early return, and how Trevor likes the new group,
the new setup he's got there in terms of coaching staff,
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you know.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Listening to everything that Trevor said, like he's been really
positive in terms of all of that stuff. And also
I feel like the sense of belief in him from
the coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I think that rubs off on the player.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Like when the player feels like the coaching staff fully
believes in his talent and what he can be. I
think there's a different kind of buy in that you
can get. He obviously knows that there is a lot
on him, there's a lot of responsibilities on him. Obviously,
give him the big contract. There's an ext spectation that
this team goes from good to the great under his watch,
So he has to figure that part out.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
But here's what I do now.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
When you bet on people as opposed to the player,
you're betting on the character of the kid. The character
is right with Trevor Lawrence and Trevors Hunter and some
of the other guys that.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Are on the team. So I'm a believer that the
team will be right because you got enough for those
pieces in the locker room that want to be right.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
A lot of nice guys. Man, when you kind of
think about that, like a lot of good dudes, nice guys.
They've got nice yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Know, and look, they've always had a team full of
nice guys.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I would say maybe the difference is is the thing
that kind of came up throughout the draft. We heard
a lot of reports and people putting that third callum
on the board about characters.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Do they love it? They really love it?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I think you might have more guys that love it
in the locker room than they had in the past.
That naturally changes the culture. So when you have want
to guys as opposed to have two, yeah, it changes everything.
And the great team that you and I have been
around a DJ there were player lead You could go out.
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You might be looking on the practice field and you
see a handful of guys working out on their own,
not because someone made them, but just because that was
kind of the standard in expectation. I've heard you talk
about ed Read and Ray Lewis and how they kind
of hel guys to a different standard. I think that
is some of the stuff that you're hopeful that will happen.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
In Jackson in no doubt. Well there you go. That's
a wrap for the lead block presented by Team Mobile
for Business. Football needs a network willing to go the
extra yard. So do you go further with T Mobile
for Business? Buck I teased it at the top. You know,
this is our time of year. We both love to read,
and this is the time of year where we actually
have a little more time to dig into some stuff
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and whether that's you know, audiobooks, listening to listening to podcasts,
reading books, just different things trying to learn and grow.
And you know, I think we both share a passion
for trying to study other sports and how that can
help us in our football life. And man, I'm I'm
about halfway through this book right now, but I wanted
to jump into it because it's a book. Stevie Williams
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is the caddy for Tiger Woods for a very long time,
really during his his key stretch of dominance on the
PGA tour. This book's called Together We Roared. And I've
never really read a ton on Tiger I've seen obviously,
you know, there's been a million different things on TV
over the years kind of tell his story, but this
is kind of going into that block that just the
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most dominant, you know, piece of golf we've ever seen
from anybody. I mean, just I did not realize. I
mean I followed golf loosely during those early years in
the early two thousands, late nineties kind of going into
his epic run, but I wasn't like locked in and
didn't really rufuly understand a whole lot about golf. So
when you're going through this and you're you're reading this
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and you're like, he was so much better than everybody else,
Like it was utter dominance. But when I was reading
reading to this thing, like there was a lot of
takeaways that stood out to me, and so I jotted
five down and I wanted to kind of get your thoughts.
And this relates to other sports, particularly in the football world.
But the first one, the first takeaway. He wasn't afraid
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to tinker when he was at the top. So he
wins his first major in a dominating fashion at the Masters,
and you think, okay, well, what I'm doing is working.
But he was not happy with some of the variants
in his game and his swing and not getting the
consistent results that he wanted. So he actually made some
swing changes and kind of had to take almost a
little bit of a step back while he was adjusting
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to these changes because he knew in order to be
as dominant as he wanted to be, even though he
was at the very top buck there was no satisfaction.
He was always looking to try and see what I
need to change to get better at or, as some
people would say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I feel like the truly great ones, even when they
get to the top of the mountain, they're like, I
need in order to stay here, I got to do
something a little more, a little different.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
It's funny to say that because Nick Saban also has
subscribed to that theory. That even when you at the top,
that doesn't mean that you stay with what you've done
to get you there. You always have to be one
step ahead of the posse when it comes to trying
to achieve the greatness that you believe as possible with
the group that you have.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And for Tiger was to do that, I do remember
he did a radical.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Swing change, like right after he started winning, changed coaches.
I think he had Butch Harmon or whatever. Change coaches. Yeah,
and just look lost a few, but when he came
back and he went on that run, it was a
different Tiger Woods that you're dealing with. And look, man,
that's courageous. You cannot be a shrinking Violet if you're
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willing to make those changes at the top, and so
many of us would not do it. Like, think about
the great football teams that we've seen, and will use
the Patriots because they were the most dominant football team
that we've seen in that era, But think about how
they constantly change the way they approached the game, like they.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Wanted us different.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, Tom Brady was the central figure in that, but look,
they won with the defense leading the way they won
with Brady playing small ball with a cast of Unhara
pass catches on the outside. They won, didn't win the
Super Bowl, but they won with Randy Moss and then
playing big boy ball, pushing it down the field. The
adaptability of great coaches chasing that ultimate game, that ultimate season.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It's a testament to the courage that they had.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, again, that's what's so neat about setting these great players,
historically dominant players, you know, greatest of all time type players,
and you take it over to other sports and you
see a lot of the things that they share in common.
So that was the first one there a little tinker
at the top. The next one I wrote down was
practice with a Purpose. It talks a lot about how
guys would go to the range and hit, you know,
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hundreds of balls and do different things. And it said
he never took a swing, that he wasn't focused on
one particular thing on every single swing. And he talks
to the caddies telling the story, and he talks about
how he basically had to be security like he when
he would go to the range to work and everybody
wanted to come up and get a piece of him. Fellows,
maybe there's a sponsor, Maybe it's a guy who's running
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the tournament. They would all kind of try and walk
over to him, and he said, Tiger kind of had
like a signal he would give him like hey, I'm
I'm working, like I'll talk to you later, but not
now like it was. There was like a focus and
a purpose with every single swing that he took. I
thought that was pretty fascinating.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You know, I think it's very common with the great ones.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
The great ones in sports always talk about deliberate practice
the lake. Kobe Bryant would talk about the intent that
you have behind every practice rip, the things that you're
going in to work on. You may go into the
gym and just work on one move over and over
and over again. Tiger Woods was notorious for just how
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great he was with his short game. So even when
his stuff off the tee wasn't right short game, he
could always make it up because it's the scoring zone.
That's the area that a lot of people just kind
of by the pass they ignore because they want to
hit the driver off the tee and do all the
other stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
But the points the games won and loss.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
When it comes to Putton, Chipping and Putton is what
he always would talk about and when you think about
the deliberate practice. I talk about Kobe, also talk about
Malcolm Gladwell and they talked about ten thousand hours and
how the masterpieces came for Dvinci and Michaelangelo when they
poured in ten thousand hours of deliberate practice on their crap.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
That's what it takes.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
And at a time when we talk about loving the
game and gotta have a group of guys that really
love it, is because the great ones know that you
have to pour in all this extra time.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Time that's not required.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Time does not standard, but the time that everyone knows
is necessary to be great.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
There's a lot of great stories in there, one of
which was he was in the middle I think it
was in the middle of a major and was driving
with the caddy like back to the hotel or wherever
they were staying at that tournament, and he said, hey,
pull over, and they're like, well, he like pulls over
to the side of the road. He goes to the trunk,
He takes out his seven iron off to the side
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of the road and takes like five swims, puts the
thing back in the in the bag, gets in the
car and goes We're good. I found it like like
he had thought of it was there was something with
that particular club that didn't feel right, and he must
have why he they were driving, he must have thought
there's some there's some tip or something that he thought
of of like a key, a feel, and he's like,
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why before this leaves my mind, I got to get
that club in my hand so I can feel what
I'm thinking. And then he found it, and then it
said like he was locked in with that club the
whole rest of the time. Tell stories about when he
would go play, you know, overseas and he'd be playing
in uh in England or wherever they were going to play,
and he would go to Ireland ahead of time because
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he wanted to get used to those types of courses.
But he could do it without people knowing he was
there and just go over there and practice and know
that he needed to keep hit lower shots, stay out
of the wind because of the conditions over there. And
so that was, you know, that was fascinating to me,
and that that gets to my next one because it
was it was this tournament at Saint Andrews, which was
the first open that he won, you know, overseas or
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to get as he's working towards that Grand Slam, the
British Open, and he in this tournament. This is why
I wrote down those great elite players, their goals are
different than normal people, like a normal person would write down,
I want to win the British Open, right. His goal
when he got there was I'm not going to hit
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a bunker, like they're notorious that course over there, it's
Andrew's like, it's just these these super tall, narrow bunkers.
You can't get out of them. They're a nightmare. And
he played that whole round did not hit one bunker,
So everybody else is like, how do I shoot low?
There's another one where he's talking about He just was like,
I'm not going to three putt, and he went on
like an epic string of like several tournaments in a
row without three putting, went through a whole tournament and
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no bogies, like I'm not just like that is my focus.
They will not be a single boat bogie. He talked
about margin of vict like I'm going to win this
tournament by the greatest margin that we've ever seen, and
some of his margins the victory were ridiculous for the
people that are you know, more golf knowledgeable than I am,
Like I was shocked, Like when you're twelve under in
the second place, guy is three over and a major,
Like it was just a level of not just I
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want to win, but it was very think about. I
think EMMITTT. Smith had talked about this a long long
time ago, like specific goals, like you have to set
specific goals. It's not a dream, it's not a hope
and a wish, but it's very specific. And he was,
I mean, he was doing incredible things beyond just winning,
like he talked about after the Caddy's telling the story
about after the you know, he he makes a like
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kind of a long par putt on seventeen and a
major and then he really celebrated and he said everybody
thought he was celebrating because he kind of clinched the
the win, and he was like he was celebrity because
he kept his string alive with no bogies because he's
got That was his obsession was just no bogies in
this in this tournament.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
A few different things Emma Smith has talked about, like
goals or dreams with the timeline, like he talks about that.
So when you talk about Tiger putting those specific things
and what he wanted to achieve and how lofty they are,
but putting the timeline on those accompliments for himself.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
That falls in line with what M Smith all time
Russia talked about. The other thing that I hear is.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
The standard, right, and I just think about like Nick
Saban and Belichicking, those guys talk about, we don't play
the scoreboard.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
We played to the standard.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
So it's not about whether we win or lose, but
it's more so how we play. If we played to
the standard and we lost, that's fine. If we played
to the in one, but we didn't play to the standard,
I'm more upset about the way that it should look
and feel when we're playing. It sounded like Tiger operated
on that process oriented but also very very high standard
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driven when it comes to what he wanted to look like,
how he wanted it to feel, and he knew that
if he played to his standard, the winning is a
byproduct of him doing all of those things right. But
I'll say this DJ, like, sometimes when you're that champion
and ship caliber team, that team that operates at a
high level like that, when you play to that standard,
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it's so intimidating that you actually start winning because people
go into the thing thinking that they have no shot
to beat you.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And I feel like so many times.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
For Tiger on Sunday, when people saw him in red,
they knew if he's in the hunt, it's a wrap.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
And you know, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I can't wait to hear the additional takeaways that you
have because never seen anyone who could change his game
to do what he needed to do.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Just to win.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
If I need to be aggressive, I could dial it up.
If I need to scale it back, because I got this,
I can dial it back.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You know what my next point is, Buck, I don't
even know if you can see it here, but it's
exactly what you were just saying there.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Oh wow, yeah, selectively aggressive.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, it was literally that's my next point because it
talks about how, hey, there's tournaments where guys are going
to go low, so I'm gonna I know, I need
to be aggressive here and we're going to attack a
little bit more. But then there's other ones where it's like, hey,
I'm I'm playing the course. And they said he was
so good at Augusta of just knowing where to place
balls and be conservative, like everybody el's gonna fall off,
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They're gonna all make mistakes, but he's gonna play know
exactly what areas of the course he needs to do,
and it's kind of like navigating on that individual course.
So in other words, it was select to be selectively
aggressive manage the course. The different courses, different tournaments are
going to demand different things. So it was like, you know,
I thought about it was like Tiger was a game manager.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Like he was.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
He was like that elite, elite talent. But also it's like, hey,
I need to kind of let's just manage this. We'll
just manage this game here, you.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Know I would Okay, So I'm gonna say this and
I'm gonna give him his flowers even though they're coming
off a super all loss. To me, it's the Pat
Mahomes approach. Yeah, I think Pat Mahomes takes a Tiger
Woods approach to the game. Like I think Pat Mahomes
is unique in terms of he can do all the
magical stuff, the sorcery that we see him, the noo throws,
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the scrambles, and the improvisation, but there is also a
part of his game where he'll manage the game and
just do what he needs to do to win, and
we've seen that happen for so long. And one of
the reasons why he operates with such a hot winning
percentage is because he has learned how to be selectively
aggressive as he's matured and gotten older in the league
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and three Super Bowls five years, all.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Of that that comes with it.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
So it's not about like even type, it's not about
winning every tournament, but that mentality and that approach gives
you a chance to always be in the hunt.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, it's to me, it was and you mentioned Mahomes.
It's that when you have the elite mental capacity and
it's a combination, right, you have the ability, you have
the mental capacity, and then the maturity to know which
of those you need to delve more into based off
of a particular their game or particular course, particular day
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like today is going to be a mental day, Like
we're just going to be mature, we're going to be smart,
we're gonna play it safe. And then also some of
these days, like man, I got to put my cape
on today, like in order to do what needs to
be done, I got to be that guy that I
know I'm capable of. But to me, it's it's just
fascinating that you see these other guys, like think about
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basketball players. Some games like I can just be a
distributor in this game, and then there's other games I
gotta kind of take the game over all. Right, before
we get back to the rest of this list, let's
take a quick break. To me, it was interesting that
if you think about these all time greats, and I
think in our lifetime in terms of athletes, tell me
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if I'm missing anybody, but I would say it was
Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Serena Williams probably the three most
dominant athletes. Am I missing somebody? That feels to me
like that's the three? And I soccer I don't know
as well, so I guess it Messi or whoever you
wanted to say in soccer. But those to me feel
like the three of our era of the last quarter century.
Those are the three most dominant athletes. And to me,
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it's ironic that like him and him and Mike play
golf together all the time and we're good buddies, like it.
Not a coincidence, not.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
A coincidence because they're flocked together. So these when you
think about how your mentality is how you're wired. Those
guys who are aggressive like that, who are successful like that,
they all operate in.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
The same spaces. Like they have the same obsessive nature.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
When it comes to winning in the details, which is
why they can't make many friends, but they tend to
gravitate towards one another. Look Tiger Woods, like prior to
the injuries, and some of those injuries were done out
of a desire to try and push himself to the
next level away from the course. So he's trying to
do these things to make himself even more dominant. Like
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I know he had a fascination with the Navy Seals
and all that other stuff, like those things trying to
be the elite of the elites. They have that obsessive
nature when it comes to competing and winning and being
the best, and they're hyper critical of their performances. But
they're hyper critical because they pour so much into the
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preparation process.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah no, And look, we could get into all the
Olympic athletes too. You can get into the Michael Phelps,
Michael Biles like all, Like there's another whole core group.
But I just think in terms of like the biggest
like stars brand name sports. Those were the three that
came to mind there. The last one I wrote down
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to the five takeaways. Again, I'm only halfway through this thing,
so I'm anxious see what else I learned through here.
But I wrote down and hire the right people, to
hire the right people and empower them. And obviously this
book's written by the caddy, so I'm sure and those
that know golf might say a little more importance is
given to the caddy than maybe he deserved. Maybe it is. Obviously,
you know, Tiger is Tiger, but there's no mistake in
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the fact that these guys had incredible run together and
he did have an impact. And it tells stories about
how going back to Michael Jordan, there was a Major
in Chicago, I think Madna is that the name of
the golf course anyway, so somewhere where Jordan was a member.
So they had gone out there like a week or
two ahead of the Major to play the course, but
also so the caddy could go get information. He got information.
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Michael Jordan actually supplied them some information, gave him a
tip that like, hey, on on the back nine, like that,
it's going to look like there's more break than there
is like Michael played the course all the time, remember there,
And so then it talks about how the caddy would
then go around and talk to all the local pros
you know that played this course or remembers there to
get advice and information for them. And then there's a
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big putt in this tournament late and Tiger says, I
see it kind of a cup out to the right,
and Stevie Williams goes, no, it looks like that, but
it's really inside right edge, Like just trust it inside
right edge. And he was like, look, it have been
easy for me to say, hey, I'll just go with
you whatever he says, because then if it does work out,
hey you're on the same page. But to kind of
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contradict him and to give him a different read, a
different line, he put himself out there a little bit.
But Tiger trusted him, listened to him. He hits it
just inside right edge and it drops right in the
cup and he kind of wins the tournament. But the
point being, if you trust the caddy, you hire him,
he does all the work. You trust that he's going
to do the work and know the course and talk
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to the people there and have a good feel for it.
And then when he gives you the read, you don't
you don't poo poo him, you don't say I know
better than you do. You say, Okay, that's what you
were hired to do, that was your job. I'm gonna
trust you and then we'll go get it done. And
I was thinking of in football, what no greater example
of that than when you you know you have a coordinator,
you hired the coordinator, like, let him call the game,
Like that's that's what his job is. If you trust
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him to do that, let him do it.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And that is a big part of it, like hiring
good people, and the great coaches hire people that they
may even deem to be smarter than them because they
want the best people around it and they empower it.
If you have someone good, they say, give them more stuff.
Got to keep them engaging. They're going to do the
best with what they have, and they're gonna turn that
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little opportunity into a better opportunity because they're gonna pour
everything into it. For Tiger Woods to trust his caddy
to me, that that's everything. Like there are few things
that we talked about in team sports that matter. Commitment, accountability,
and trust, and trust is really the big thing because
you got to be committed to do it. You got
to hold each other accountable. But if you committed an
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accountable now you can be trustworth. And I think that
Tiger had to see that. Look, Steve was in it
just like he was, he could hold him accountable. And
because he was accountable in terms of how he held
himself and how he held Tiger accountable to some things,
that led to the trust that was needed to make
those decisions in key moments.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, it's uh, you know, to me, it's it's really
been a fun read and learning more about it, learning
more about that era. I mean, the guy was just
so dominant and it was something that we had never
seen and all the hype. Think about all the hype,
like who who exceeds the hype when they come into
the professional space, Like to think about Mike, Like going
back to Michael Jordan, like he wasn't the first overall
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pick like this was. I mean he was everybody knew
he was good, but nobody knew he would be the
greatest of all time. Tom Brady was no expectations. He
was a six round pick. Like to me, the only
thing that's even somewhat comparable be Lebron, Like, Lebron came
into it with these unimaginable, unreachable expectations and somehow he
exceeded them. And I feel like Tiger Woods, you know,
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is the great example of someone who did that.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Funny because Lebron is like that. A thin thing where
they differ is the mentality. The outwart mentality appears to
be different, where Tiger Woods appears to be almost like
an assassin, pretty similar to the way Kobe approached Tiger.
I mean, Lebron doesn't appear to have that same demeanor.
Even though you could say that Tiger Woods and Lebron
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James was because both of them were viewed as the
chosen ones and they didn't disappoint when they got to
the next level.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
From day one, they didn't disappoint. It didn't It wasn't
a slow cook.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Like, oh, it's gonna take them away, Nope, I'm here.
That would be good right out the gate. That is uncommon,
but it speaks to the greatness of Title Woo. It's
his mentalities, approach, his preparation process.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, so for those that are interested, the book is together.
We roared again, I know we're a football show, but
I do think this stuff is transferable, and that's what
I wanted to do today. It was fun, Buck, It's uh,
it's fun to get your reaction to it. I'm excited
for you to get a chance to jump into this
thing whenever you can. But it's what it's doing, is
is making me want to read more about this guy,
to study more and and be thankful. Also, like, man,
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what we might be the greatest sports fan generation. Maybe
I guess you know, to me, I guess if you
were eighties basketball fan, maybe that was kind of their
their sweet spot. But we can honestly say we were still.
We were still. I mean we saw the micro.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
We see them all. I mean we've seen all.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
The greatest stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
We saw all the different sports.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, we saw Joe Montana and football, we saw Jerry Rice.
We had a chance to basketball, from Magic and Bird
to Jordan's to.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
The blonde Kobe thrown in there. I mean like we have.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I mean there's so much the Tiger era we talked
about in tennis, being able to see the great tennis players.
So you can talk about Venus and Serena, you talk
about on the women's side, like Steffi Graff also.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Being in that we can talk about like just so
many people.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I mean, like just Pe Sanfrist Federal, Like there's so
many greats that we've seen. And I know they always
talk about people being a prisoner of the moment, but
when you think about that track, right, of what we've seen.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
And we were able to bring cools in different eras.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, if you're a sportsman, man, we have been privileged
to see a lot of great things.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, I mean I think I'm thinking of sports like, Okay,
we we missed on uh you know, I guess you say,
Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer. I was, we're probably a little
too young for that.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
The end of the run when I was like when
it was coming, I think.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Nicholas won his last one like the mid eighties maybe,
so I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
But it's yeah, I mean, you're right about it being
a very privileged run and exposure and what we've seen
and Tom Brady in his seven I.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Mean, just a lot of great a lot of a
lot of great ball you've seen.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
No question, Well that was that was fun. Today. Again,
we'll have some more football stuff as we get into
the off season. You know, we'll see what what shakes.
I think we'll see some more contract extensions get done here.
Sounds like people are working on those, so we'll see
what happens. If we get some news there, we'll definitely
have our reaction to it. But that's going to do
it for us today. I hope you guys enjoyed a
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fun off season episode here with the sticks
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks? DJ Buck
with you, Buck? What is going on?
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Man?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
It looks like you're in the fl here.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
I am.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I'm down in Florida, down in Jacksonville. We have some
preseason TV meetings that we're going over. I spent a
couple of days watching the team. They got three OTA
practices while I'm down here, so I check the team out.
Get a chance to give you an update on what
Travis Hunter is doing as a two way player, because
we've never really seen that happened, so really excited about it.
More pointanly, I'm looking forward to seeing what Trevor Lawrence
(00:37):
is able to do because the new money on his
deal is about the kick in and with more money
comes higher expectations, and so we're looking for Trevor Lawrence
to make a huge jump this year.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Oh that's going to get us right into this. It's
time for the lead block, presented by Team Mobile for Business.
Football needs a network willing to go the extra yards.
So do you go further? With t Mobile for Business, Buck,
We're going to get into a book that I've I've
read about a different sport and we're going to bring
it to football. But before we do that, I do
want to start off, and you just tease it there
with the fact that you're in Jacksonville. Let's start. First
(01:09):
of all, I think people listen to us want to
know is what is the early plan. What is the
early thoughts there on what you see from Travis Hunter.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So the early plan right now is he's an offensive.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Player who also has defensive obligation, so he's a two
way player.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
But I would say, like if he was playing on
my high school team, we.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Would do Travis Hunter like a one and a half player,
meaning he's going to start on offense and then he's
going to be a situational player on defense, which makes
a lot of sense anyone who is coached high school,
who's played high school, that's typically how you go. You
don't want to wear your guy out all the way.
And I think there's a smart way to be able
to get it done. And they have everything planned out.
So from a practice schedule, standpoint three days of offense,
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one day at defense. Cover those situations that you need
him on defense. Make sure he's ready for that, whether
that's third down, red zone, got to have his situations,
have him ready.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
I think it's It's also a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Easier to do it when you're more of a zone
based team than a man based team, because when you
think about zone, it's not the running around that is
required in man demand when it's zone coverage is see ball,
get ball, hang in your area, those things. And I
also think that plays to his strengths. One of the
things that I believed in Travis Hunter when he was
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coming out. I didn't necessarily see him as a lockdown corner.
I saw him as a playmaking corner, someone that was
going to potentially pick off a lot of passes because
his ball skills are exceptional, His awareness and instincts, all
of those things stood out to me. I think it'd
be a good fit. I'm excited to see how they
do it. But really, man, the kid is the one
that makes it work. He is all ball, all the time,
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and that has been a bit of a change in
terms of like the energy that he brings. It's infectious
and it changes the dynamic in the locker room.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
What is you know, what does that offense look like?
Give give me an idea of they go out there
in the spring here in this time, I'm heading it
in the summer. Give me that skill position group. What's that?
What's that look like?
Speaker 3 (03:04):
DJ?
Speaker 1 (03:05):
I think it's gonna be very, very reminiscent to what
the Rams did early in Sean mcvay's tenure. So don't
think about the latest iteration of the Rams when it
was Pooka and Cooper Cup and those guys. I want
you to go back to when it was Robert Woods,
Brandon Cook's Cooper Cup and how they were fast and
dynamic and really trying to stretch the field but then
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being able to dump it off. I think it's going
to be that version Toami Brown, Ryan Thomas Junior, Travis Hunter,
you're here, Breton Strange name come in there as to
tie end one.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Parker Washington will play a big role in this offense.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
But this offense is going to be one where they
think they can create explosive plays vertically and horizontally. And
I would also say this, like Travis it's Yen. There's
some conversation about wave it's in. He could actually benefit
with the vertical stretch game because that may create more
space for him to operate underneath and but y'all too,
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the rioky from Virginia Tech.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
You can I know him, he might get some stuff. Now, look,
I led you wrong last year when I said years ago,
two years ago. So then so then I'm just.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Signed the penalty box. I put you in the penalty
box for a year in terms of my fantasy advice
for my little fancy football team. But you're out of
the penalty box now. I'm back taking all Bucket Books recommendations.
So Tooting, I'll definitely make a note on that one.
What's the early return, and how Trevor likes the new group,
the new setup he's got there in terms of coaching staff,
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you know.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Listening to everything that Trevor said, like he's been really
positive in terms of all of that stuff. And also
I feel like the sense of belief in him from
the coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (04:43):
I think that rubs off on the player.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Like when the player feels like the coaching staff fully
believes in his talent and what he can be. I
think there's a different kind of buy in that you
can get. He obviously knows that there is a lot
on him, there's a lot of responsibilities on him. Obviously,
give him the big contract. There's an ext spectation that
this team goes from good to the great under his watch,
So he has to figure that part out.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
But here's what I do now.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
When you bet on people as opposed to the player,
you're betting on the character of the kid. The character
is right with Trevor Lawrence and Trevors Hunter and some
of the other guys that.
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Are on the team. So I'm a believer that the
team will be right because you got enough for those
pieces in the locker room that want to be right.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
A lot of nice guys. Man, when you kind of
think about that, like a lot of good dudes, nice guys.
They've got nice yeah, you.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Know, and look, they've always had a team full of
nice guys.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
I would say maybe the difference is is the thing
that kind of came up throughout the draft. We heard
a lot of reports and people putting that third callum
on the board about characters.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Do they love it? They really love it?
Speaker 1 (05:44):
I think you might have more guys that love it
in the locker room than they had in the past.
That naturally changes the culture. So when you have want
to guys as opposed to have two, yeah, it changes everything.
And the great team that you and I have been
around a DJ there were player lead You could go out.
(06:05):
You might be looking on the practice field and you
see a handful of guys working out on their own,
not because someone made them, but just because that was
kind of the standard in expectation. I've heard you talk
about ed Read and Ray Lewis and how they kind
of hel guys to a different standard. I think that
is some of the stuff that you're hopeful that will happen.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
In Jackson in no doubt. Well there you go. That's
a wrap for the lead block presented by Team Mobile
for Business. Football needs a network willing to go the
extra yard. So do you go further with T Mobile
for Business? Buck I teased it at the top. You know,
this is our time of year. We both love to read,
and this is the time of year where we actually
have a little more time to dig into some stuff
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and whether that's you know, audiobooks, listening to listening to podcasts,
reading books, just different things trying to learn and grow.
And you know, I think we both share a passion
for trying to study other sports and how that can
help us in our football life. And man, I'm I'm
about halfway through this book right now, but I wanted
to jump into it because it's a book. Stevie Williams
(07:06):
is the caddy for Tiger Woods for a very long time,
really during his his key stretch of dominance on the
PGA tour. This book's called Together We Roared. And I've
never really read a ton on Tiger I've seen obviously,
you know, there's been a million different things on TV
over the years kind of tell his story, but this
is kind of going into that block that just the
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most dominant, you know, piece of golf we've ever seen
from anybody. I mean, just I did not realize. I
mean I followed golf loosely during those early years in
the early two thousands, late nineties kind of going into
his epic run, but I wasn't like locked in and
didn't really rufuly understand a whole lot about golf. So
when you're going through this and you're you're reading this
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and you're like, he was so much better than everybody else,
Like it was utter dominance. But when I was reading
reading to this thing, like there was a lot of
takeaways that stood out to me, and so I jotted
five down and I wanted to kind of get your thoughts.
And this relates to other sports, particularly in the football world.
But the first one, the first takeaway. He wasn't afraid
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to tinker when he was at the top. So he
wins his first major in a dominating fashion at the Masters,
and you think, okay, well, what I'm doing is working.
But he was not happy with some of the variants
in his game and his swing and not getting the
consistent results that he wanted. So he actually made some
swing changes and kind of had to take almost a
little bit of a step back while he was adjusting
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to these changes because he knew in order to be
as dominant as he wanted to be, even though he
was at the very top buck there was no satisfaction.
He was always looking to try and see what I
need to change to get better at or, as some
people would say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I feel like the truly great ones, even when they
get to the top of the mountain, they're like, I
need in order to stay here, I got to do
something a little more, a little different.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
You know.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
It's funny to say that because Nick Saban also has
subscribed to that theory. That even when you at the top,
that doesn't mean that you stay with what you've done
to get you there. You always have to be one
step ahead of the posse when it comes to trying
to achieve the greatness that you believe as possible with
the group that you have.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
And for Tiger was to do that, I do remember
he did a radical.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Swing change, like right after he started winning, changed coaches.
I think he had Butch Harmon or whatever. Change coaches. Yeah,
and just look lost a few, but when he came
back and he went on that run, it was a
different Tiger Woods that you're dealing with. And look, man,
that's courageous. You cannot be a shrinking Violet if you're
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willing to make those changes at the top, and so
many of us would not do it. Like, think about
the great football teams that we've seen, and will use
the Patriots because they were the most dominant football team
that we've seen in that era, But think about how
they constantly change the way they approached the game, like they.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Wanted us different.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Yeah, Tom Brady was the central figure in that, but look,
they won with the defense leading the way they won
with Brady playing small ball with a cast of Unhara
pass catches on the outside. They won, didn't win the
Super Bowl, but they won with Randy Moss and then
playing big boy ball, pushing it down the field. The
adaptability of great coaches chasing that ultimate game, that ultimate season.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
It's a testament to the courage that they had.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, again, that's what's so neat about setting these great players,
historically dominant players, you know, greatest of all time type players,
and you take it over to other sports and you
see a lot of the things that they share in common.
So that was the first one there a little tinker
at the top. The next one I wrote down was
practice with a Purpose. It talks a lot about how
guys would go to the range and hit, you know,
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hundreds of balls and do different things. And it said
he never took a swing, that he wasn't focused on
one particular thing on every single swing. And he talks
to the caddies telling the story, and he talks about
how he basically had to be security like he when
he would go to the range to work and everybody
wanted to come up and get a piece of him. Fellows,
maybe there's a sponsor, Maybe it's a guy who's running
(11:02):
the tournament. They would all kind of try and walk
over to him, and he said, Tiger kind of had
like a signal he would give him like hey, I'm
I'm working, like I'll talk to you later, but not
now like it was. There was like a focus and
a purpose with every single swing that he took. I
thought that was pretty fascinating.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
You know, I think it's very common with the great ones.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
The great ones in sports always talk about deliberate practice
the lake. Kobe Bryant would talk about the intent that
you have behind every practice rip, the things that you're
going in to work on. You may go into the
gym and just work on one move over and over
and over again. Tiger Woods was notorious for just how
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great he was with his short game. So even when
his stuff off the tee wasn't right short game, he
could always make it up because it's the scoring zone.
That's the area that a lot of people just kind
of by the pass they ignore because they want to
hit the driver off the tee and do all the
other stuff.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
But the points the games won and loss.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
When it comes to Putton, Chipping and Putton is what
he always would talk about and when you think about
the deliberate practice. I talk about Kobe, also talk about
Malcolm Gladwell and they talked about ten thousand hours and
how the masterpieces came for Dvinci and Michaelangelo when they
poured in ten thousand hours of deliberate practice on their crap.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
That's what it takes.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
And at a time when we talk about loving the
game and gotta have a group of guys that really
love it, is because the great ones know that you
have to pour in all this extra time.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Time that's not required.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Time does not standard, but the time that everyone knows
is necessary to be great.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
There's a lot of great stories in there, one of
which was he was in the middle I think it
was in the middle of a major and was driving
with the caddy like back to the hotel or wherever
they were staying at that tournament, and he said, hey,
pull over, and they're like, well, he like pulls over
to the side of the road. He goes to the trunk,
He takes out his seven iron off to the side
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of the road and takes like five swims, puts the
thing back in the in the bag, gets in the
car and goes We're good. I found it like like
he had thought of it was there was something with
that particular club that didn't feel right, and he must
have why he they were driving, he must have thought
there's some there's some tip or something that he thought
of of like a key, a feel, and he's like,
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why before this leaves my mind, I got to get
that club in my hand so I can feel what
I'm thinking. And then he found it, and then it
said like he was locked in with that club the
whole rest of the time. Tell stories about when he
would go play, you know, overseas and he'd be playing
in uh in England or wherever they were going to play,
and he would go to Ireland ahead of time because
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he wanted to get used to those types of courses.
But he could do it without people knowing he was
there and just go over there and practice and know
that he needed to keep hit lower shots, stay out
of the wind because of the conditions over there. And
so that was, you know, that was fascinating to me,
and that that gets to my next one because it
was it was this tournament at Saint Andrews, which was
the first open that he won, you know, overseas or
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to get as he's working towards that Grand Slam, the
British Open, and he in this tournament. This is why
I wrote down those great elite players, their goals are
different than normal people, like a normal person would write down,
I want to win the British Open, right. His goal
when he got there was I'm not going to hit
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a bunker, like they're notorious that course over there, it's
Andrew's like, it's just these these super tall, narrow bunkers.
You can't get out of them. They're a nightmare. And
he played that whole round did not hit one bunker,
So everybody else is like, how do I shoot low?
There's another one where he's talking about He just was like,
I'm not going to three putt, and he went on
like an epic string of like several tournaments in a
row without three putting, went through a whole tournament and
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no bogies, like I'm not just like that is my focus.
They will not be a single boat bogie. He talked
about margin of vict like I'm going to win this
tournament by the greatest margin that we've ever seen, and
some of his margins the victory were ridiculous for the
people that are you know, more golf knowledgeable than I am,
Like I was shocked, Like when you're twelve under in
the second place, guy is three over and a major,
Like it was just a level of not just I
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want to win, but it was very think about. I
think EMMITTT. Smith had talked about this a long long
time ago, like specific goals, like you have to set
specific goals. It's not a dream, it's not a hope
and a wish, but it's very specific. And he was,
I mean, he was doing incredible things beyond just winning,
like he talked about after the Caddy's telling the story
about after the you know, he he makes a like
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kind of a long par putt on seventeen and a
major and then he really celebrated and he said everybody
thought he was celebrating because he kind of clinched the
the win, and he was like he was celebrity because
he kept his string alive with no bogies because he's
got That was his obsession was just no bogies in
this in this tournament.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
A few different things Emma Smith has talked about, like
goals or dreams with the timeline, like he talks about that.
So when you talk about Tiger putting those specific things
and what he wanted to achieve and how lofty they are,
but putting the timeline on those accompliments for himself.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
That falls in line with what M Smith all time
Russia talked about. The other thing that I hear is.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
The standard, right, and I just think about like Nick
Saban and Belichicking, those guys talk about, we don't play
the scoreboard.
Speaker 3 (16:20):
We played to the standard.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
So it's not about whether we win or lose, but
it's more so how we play. If we played to
the standard and we lost, that's fine. If we played
to the in one, but we didn't play to the standard,
I'm more upset about the way that it should look
and feel when we're playing. It sounded like Tiger operated
on that process oriented but also very very high standard
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driven when it comes to what he wanted to look like,
how he wanted it to feel, and he knew that
if he played to his standard, the winning is a
byproduct of him doing all of those things right. But
I'll say this DJ, like, sometimes when you're that champion
and ship caliber team, that team that operates at a
high level like that, when you play to that standard,
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it's so intimidating that you actually start winning because people
go into the thing thinking that they have no shot
to beat you.
Speaker 3 (17:15):
And I feel like so many times.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
For Tiger on Sunday, when people saw him in red,
they knew if he's in the hunt, it's a wrap.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
And you know, it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I can't wait to hear the additional takeaways that you
have because never seen anyone who could change his game
to do what he needed to do.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Just to win.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
If I need to be aggressive, I could dial it up.
If I need to scale it back, because I got this,
I can dial it back.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
You know what my next point is, Buck, I don't
even know if you can see it here, but it's
exactly what you were just saying there.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Oh wow, yeah, selectively aggressive.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Yeah, it was literally that's my next point because it
talks about how, hey, there's tournaments where guys are going
to go low, so I'm gonna I know, I need
to be aggressive here and we're going to attack a
little bit more. But then there's other ones where it's like, hey,
I'm I'm playing the course. And they said he was
so good at Augusta of just knowing where to place
balls and be conservative, like everybody el's gonna fall off,
(18:12):
They're gonna all make mistakes, but he's gonna play know
exactly what areas of the course he needs to do,
and it's kind of like navigating on that individual course.
So in other words, it was select to be selectively
aggressive manage the course. The different courses, different tournaments are
going to demand different things. So it was like, you know,
I thought about it was like Tiger was a game manager.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
Like he was.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
He was like that elite, elite talent. But also it's like, hey,
I need to kind of let's just manage this. We'll
just manage this game here, you.
Speaker 1 (18:41):
Know I would Okay, So I'm gonna say this and
I'm gonna give him his flowers even though they're coming
off a super all loss. To me, it's the Pat
Mahomes approach. Yeah, I think Pat Mahomes takes a Tiger
Woods approach to the game. Like I think Pat Mahomes
is unique in terms of he can do all the
magical stuff, the sorcery that we see him, the noo throws,
(19:01):
the scrambles, and the improvisation, but there is also a
part of his game where he'll manage the game and
just do what he needs to do to win, and
we've seen that happen for so long. And one of
the reasons why he operates with such a hot winning
percentage is because he has learned how to be selectively
aggressive as he's matured and gotten older in the league
(19:23):
and three Super Bowls five years, all.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Of that that comes with it.
Speaker 1 (19:28):
So it's not about like even type, it's not about
winning every tournament, but that mentality and that approach gives
you a chance to always be in the hunt.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Yeah, it's to me, it was and you mentioned Mahomes.
It's that when you have the elite mental capacity and
it's a combination, right, you have the ability, you have
the mental capacity, and then the maturity to know which
of those you need to delve more into based off
of a particular their game or particular course, particular day
(20:02):
like today is going to be a mental day, Like
we're just going to be mature, we're going to be smart,
we're gonna play it safe. And then also some of
these days, like man, I got to put my cape
on today, like in order to do what needs to
be done, I got to be that guy that I
know I'm capable of. But to me, it's it's just
fascinating that you see these other guys, like think about
(20:22):
basketball players. Some games like I can just be a
distributor in this game, and then there's other games I
gotta kind of take the game over all. Right, before
we get back to the rest of this list, let's
take a quick break. To me, it was interesting that
if you think about these all time greats, and I
think in our lifetime in terms of athletes, tell me
(20:44):
if I'm missing anybody, but I would say it was
Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Serena Williams probably the three most
dominant athletes. Am I missing somebody? That feels to me
like that's the three? And I soccer I don't know
as well, so I guess it Messi or whoever you
wanted to say in soccer. But those to me feel
like the three of our era of the last quarter century.
Those are the three most dominant athletes. And to me,
(21:07):
it's ironic that like him and him and Mike play
golf together all the time and we're good buddies, like it.
Not a coincidence, not.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
A coincidence because they're flocked together. So these when you
think about how your mentality is how you're wired. Those
guys who are aggressive like that, who are successful like that,
they all operate in.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
The same spaces. Like they have the same obsessive nature.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
When it comes to winning in the details, which is
why they can't make many friends, but they tend to
gravitate towards one another. Look Tiger Woods, like prior to
the injuries, and some of those injuries were done out
of a desire to try and push himself to the
next level away from the course. So he's trying to
do these things to make himself even more dominant. Like
(21:53):
I know he had a fascination with the Navy Seals
and all that other stuff, like those things trying to
be the elite of the elites. They have that obsessive
nature when it comes to competing and winning and being
the best, and they're hyper critical of their performances. But
they're hyper critical because they pour so much into the
(22:14):
preparation process.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Yeah no, And look, we could get into all the
Olympic athletes too. You can get into the Michael Phelps,
Michael Biles like all, Like there's another whole core group.
But I just think in terms of like the biggest
like stars brand name sports. Those were the three that
came to mind there. The last one I wrote down
(22:36):
to the five takeaways. Again, I'm only halfway through this thing,
so I'm anxious see what else I learned through here.
But I wrote down and hire the right people, to
hire the right people and empower them. And obviously this
book's written by the caddy, so I'm sure and those
that know golf might say a little more importance is
given to the caddy than maybe he deserved. Maybe it is. Obviously,
you know, Tiger is Tiger, but there's no mistake in
(22:59):
the fact that these guys had incredible run together and
he did have an impact. And it tells stories about
how going back to Michael Jordan, there was a Major
in Chicago, I think Madna is that the name of
the golf course anyway, so somewhere where Jordan was a member.
So they had gone out there like a week or
two ahead of the Major to play the course, but
also so the caddy could go get information. He got information.
(23:22):
Michael Jordan actually supplied them some information, gave him a
tip that like, hey, on on the back nine, like that,
it's going to look like there's more break than there
is like Michael played the course all the time, remember there,
And so then it talks about how the caddy would
then go around and talk to all the local pros
you know that played this course or remembers there to
get advice and information for them. And then there's a
(23:43):
big putt in this tournament late and Tiger says, I
see it kind of a cup out to the right,
and Stevie Williams goes, no, it looks like that, but
it's really inside right edge, Like just trust it inside
right edge. And he was like, look, it have been
easy for me to say, hey, I'll just go with
you whatever he says, because then if it does work out,
hey you're on the same page. But to kind of
(24:03):
contradict him and to give him a different read, a
different line, he put himself out there a little bit.
But Tiger trusted him, listened to him. He hits it
just inside right edge and it drops right in the
cup and he kind of wins the tournament. But the
point being, if you trust the caddy, you hire him,
he does all the work. You trust that he's going
to do the work and know the course and talk
(24:24):
to the people there and have a good feel for it.
And then when he gives you the read, you don't
you don't poo poo him, you don't say I know
better than you do. You say, Okay, that's what you
were hired to do, that was your job. I'm gonna
trust you and then we'll go get it done. And
I was thinking of in football, what no greater example
of that than when you you know you have a coordinator,
you hired the coordinator, like, let him call the game,
Like that's that's what his job is. If you trust
(24:45):
him to do that, let him do it.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
And that is a big part of it, like hiring
good people, and the great coaches hire people that they
may even deem to be smarter than them because they
want the best people around it and they empower it.
If you have someone good, they say, give them more stuff.
Got to keep them engaging. They're going to do the
best with what they have, and they're gonna turn that
(25:09):
little opportunity into a better opportunity because they're gonna pour
everything into it. For Tiger Woods to trust his caddy
to me, that that's everything. Like there are few things
that we talked about in team sports that matter. Commitment, accountability,
and trust, and trust is really the big thing because
you got to be committed to do it. You got
to hold each other accountable. But if you committed an
(25:29):
accountable now you can be trustworth. And I think that
Tiger had to see that. Look, Steve was in it
just like he was, he could hold him accountable. And
because he was accountable in terms of how he held
himself and how he held Tiger accountable to some things,
that led to the trust that was needed to make
those decisions in key moments.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, it's uh, you know, to me, it's it's really
been a fun read and learning more about it, learning
more about that era. I mean, the guy was just
so dominant and it was something that we had never
seen and all the hype. Think about all the hype,
like who who exceeds the hype when they come into
the professional space, Like to think about Mike, Like going
back to Michael Jordan, like he wasn't the first overall
(26:13):
pick like this was. I mean he was everybody knew
he was good, but nobody knew he would be the
greatest of all time. Tom Brady was no expectations. He
was a six round pick. Like to me, the only
thing that's even somewhat comparable be Lebron, Like, Lebron came
into it with these unimaginable, unreachable expectations and somehow he
exceeded them. And I feel like Tiger Woods, you know,
(26:35):
is the great example of someone who did that.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Yeah, you know, it's.
Speaker 1 (26:38):
Funny because Lebron is like that. A thin thing where
they differ is the mentality. The outwart mentality appears to
be different, where Tiger Woods appears to be almost like
an assassin, pretty similar to the way Kobe approached Tiger.
I mean, Lebron doesn't appear to have that same demeanor.
Even though you could say that Tiger Woods and Lebron
(26:59):
James was because both of them were viewed as the
chosen ones and they didn't disappoint when they got to
the next level.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
From day one, they didn't disappoint. It didn't It wasn't
a slow cook.
Speaker 1 (27:10):
Like, oh, it's gonna take them away, Nope, I'm here.
That would be good right out the gate. That is uncommon,
but it speaks to the greatness of Title Woo. It's
his mentalities, approach, his preparation process.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, so for those that are interested, the book is together.
We roared again, I know we're a football show, but
I do think this stuff is transferable, and that's what
I wanted to do today. It was fun, Buck, It's uh,
it's fun to get your reaction to it. I'm excited
for you to get a chance to jump into this
thing whenever you can. But it's what it's doing, is
is making me want to read more about this guy,
to study more and and be thankful. Also, like, man,
(27:45):
what we might be the greatest sports fan generation. Maybe
I guess you know, to me, I guess if you
were eighties basketball fan, maybe that was kind of their
their sweet spot. But we can honestly say we were still.
We were still. I mean we saw the micro.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
We see them all. I mean we've seen all.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
The greatest stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
We saw all the different sports.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, we saw Joe Montana and football, we saw Jerry Rice.
We had a chance to basketball, from Magic and Bird
to Jordan's to.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
The blonde Kobe thrown in there. I mean like we have.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I mean there's so much the Tiger era we talked
about in tennis, being able to see the great tennis players.
So you can talk about Venus and Serena, you talk
about on the women's side, like Steffi Graff also.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
Being in that we can talk about like just so
many people.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
I mean, like just Pe Sanfrist Federal, Like there's so
many greats that we've seen. And I know they always
talk about people being a prisoner of the moment, but
when you think about that track, right, of what we've seen.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
And we were able to bring cools in different eras.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
Yeah, if you're a sportsman, man, we have been privileged
to see a lot of great things.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, I mean I think I'm thinking of sports like, Okay,
we we missed on uh you know, I guess you say,
Jack Nicholas, Arnold Palmer. I was, we're probably a little
too young for that.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
The end of the run when I was like when
it was coming, I think.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Nicholas won his last one like the mid eighties maybe,
so I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
But it's yeah, I mean, you're right about it being
a very privileged run and exposure and what we've seen
and Tom Brady in his seven I.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
Mean, just a lot of great a lot of a
lot of great ball you've seen.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
No question, Well that was that was fun. Today. Again,
we'll have some more football stuff as we get into
the off season. You know, we'll see what what shakes.
I think we'll see some more contract extensions get done here.
Sounds like people are working on those, so we'll see
what happens. If we get some news there, we'll definitely
have our reaction to it. But that's going to do
it for us today. I hope you guys enjoyed a
(29:50):
fun off season episode here with the sticks
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Bucky Brooks
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