July 21, 2025 • 29 mins
In the latest episode, Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks react to the Chiefs and George Karlaftis agreeing to a four-year, $93 million contract extension. That leads DJ to introduce a new acronym, MCFA: Make Chiefs Fun Again, as the guys break how dominance in the backfield is crucial for becoming more vertical and explosive
Then, they discuss Vikings head coach Kevin O’Connell’s decision to dedicate one-on-one time with J.J. McCarthy during his rookie season working through a torn meniscus, and why having a trusted mentor or sounding board is critical for a young quarterback’s growth.
Finally, they reveal the two teams they expect to be the focus of conversation throughout training camp, and why the spotlight won’t be leaving them anytime soon.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Buck
with you buck uh Man, I've been gone. I was
in Alaska for a week, had a nice little get
away there. Do this every year, and I got to
tell you, man, I can tell you about the trip
in a minute. And I appreciate you soldiering on here
(00:22):
on the show. But I left. Gosh, it was a
week vacation, and then I got home on a start
that's like, gosh, ten days or something like that. But
this baseball team never won a game the whole time
I was gone. Dodgers, they didn't win the whole time
I was literally I spent a whole vacation in Alaska.
They those guys did win a single game.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
This fine, Look it's a marathon, not a sprint.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We know. We just got to get a ticket, got
to get in guests. Some guys not playing well right now.
Some guy's not playing very well right now.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So I'm such a jinx. Though, I'm such a jinkx.
They'll win like fifteen games in a row now, I
just don't get me opportunity to take my shot. So
I had to take my shot.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I mean, you gotta take a shot when you feel
like you shot it there. But we know what it's
gonna be when it gets to do out.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
No, hey, dude, training camps here man getting excited to
get out to see some camps. I'll be out this weekend.
Are you going anywhere this weekend?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
What do you get? So I'm down in Florida.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I got Miami and Jacksonville, So I have my Saturday
Jacksonville on Sunday, going down.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Early to check out the Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Their first practice is Wednesday, so I may have to
go check that out, see what they're doing, see if
they're gonna get how they're gonna use Travis Hunter. But no, DJ,
it's like I literally have I was going through doing
my calendar like I do on every Sunday, and I
just kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Xed out all the weekends until February. Yeah, unavailable.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Nothing dude, dude, I've got I've got. You're gonna be
in the South. I'm gonna be in this. I'm going
to see the number one overall pick cam Ward on
Back Together Saturday, So that'll be this this coming Saturday.
I'll be in Nashville to watch cam Ward the Titans,
and then I'm gonna be at the Eagles, see all
my buddies up there on Monday, the following Monday, and
(02:02):
then after that zip home and I've got Chargers on Tuesday,
and then I know there's I want to break news here,
but like I do, believe, move the sticks. We're going
to take the show to Cowboys Camp sometime or in
early August, first second week August somewhere on there, so
we'll get out there, get a chance to visit all
the Cowboys. I'm sure we'll be out to the Rams
(02:22):
to see those guys as well. So busy time, but
a fun time, no doubt. Let's let's kick things off
here Buckets time for Hot or Not, brought to you
by with Sabbi Hot Cloud Storage. A new A couple
of contracts have come down here from recently. This this
office is in here. Look at what happened with the
(02:43):
Kansas City Chiefs is where I wanted to focus. George
Carloftis gets a new deal. Some people thought kind of
surprised at the money, got good money. But he gets
a new deal. Tray Smith, they had got him done
as well. This offseason. So you look at, you know,
the Chiefs and kind of how they've positioned their resources
and in terms of what they did in the draft
on the offensive line as well. Bucket feels like Andy
(03:05):
Reid has always been a line of scrimmage guy and
no surprise here that he continues to develop and to
pay that position.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, they're doing.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
It's one of the things that the Kansa the Chiefs
have done quietly, but it comes off of what they
did successfull in Philadelphia for years. They are a trenches
team and sometimes when we look at the Kansa the Chiefs,
we see all the flash and dash, the razzle dalls,
love Pat Mahomes and company, and we forget that they
have kind of made their bones by being really good
on the offensive line and fairly dominant on the defense,
(03:38):
particularly when you.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Have Chris Jones.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
The thing about it, you like, if you're Kansas City,
you drafted George Cobofts as a first round pick. He
has given you that complimentary playmaker that you wanted opposite
of Chris Jones, and he's continuing to get better. Look
the money, it's kind of crazy when you look at it.
Ninety three million dollars is a significant chuck a change,
(04:00):
but your expectation is he's going to it can continue
to get better and eventually, when Chris Jones phased to black,
George garloftis you're hoping becomes the centerpiece of the defensive lot.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I I look, I was with Andy, and I know
in his belief in the line of scrimmage, he's always
felt that way. I just think this team has morphed
over the years and they've still continued to win at
a very high level. Again, just one one went away
from one another championship last year. But I have I
have been kind of stuck on this one little thing,
and this is just a selfish thing, and I think
(04:34):
it's flies in the face of how we both preach
about team building in terms of you build it up front,
all those things. But I wrote down for the for
the Chiefs m c f AM, we can get some
hats m c f A hats make the Chiefs fun
again like they just I want, I want, I want
that to be that even even when look, I worked
(04:56):
with the team in the division right, work with the Chargers,
call their games, so there's every people will can tell
me that I'm you know, anti Chief this, that and
the other. I'll admit, like when the Chiefs in the
Tyreek Hill early days and Mahomes getting on the field
of the days, like even if you weren't playing them
or preparing, you know, to call a game with those guys,
like you couldn't turn away from it. It was so
fun to watch, like what they were doing so soon.
(05:19):
And you know, I know in some of that changed
the way teams play defense. That brought in too high,
that brought in shell coverage, that let's put a lid
on everything, limited explosive plays. But man, buck, they have
been such a dink and dunk offense. I hope that offensively,
the Kansas City Chiefs can get some vertical aspects back
in their game.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You want you want some of the vertical, you want
some of the fundays, some of the we the right
on top of the defense. Yes, uh, it's coming back.
Xavier Worthy will give them a chance to be. But
I'm gonna be honest, I think part of the reason
why the Chiefs have not been able to have the
deep ball, they're different in the backfield than the way
that they used to be. I look, I like Isaiah
(05:57):
Pacheco and he solid, but I don't know if he's
the type that you have to drop the extra defendant
in the box to defend him. I've always felt like
if the Chiefs were more special in the backfield, they
will be able to bring back the deep ball, or
they will be able to punish the two deep safety
looks that their face and when people are really trying
to make them play half court basketball.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, well, you bring in, uh this draft clash and
look at what's going to happen there. Okay, first of all,
get Rashid Rice back, get him going. I don't know
that he's really your deep threat, but you bring him
in your first round picks a left tackle and Josh Simmons.
You sign another tackle, Jalen Moore in free agency. The
hope is that, okay, now you've got you've got a
little more time. You can let those things develop down
(06:39):
the field. Jalen Royals can really run. They drafted him
in the fourth round. Worthy will be in the second year.
We know he's arguably the fastest player in the National
Football League. He is by time. So they've done things,
you know, from a protection standpoint and just a development
and their young guys kind of continuing to grow, including
a new piece there that they should be able to
(07:00):
get a little bit more over the top, and I'm
looking at the backfield. What they did in the seventh
round is the phone and brashot Smith who's going to
give them. He can give them some explosive plays in
the past game out of the backfield. But yeah, you know,
maybe that is it's kind of a different way of
looking at it, right, But in order to be more
vertical and explosive, we've got to be more dominant in
the backfield. Like it's kind of seems like that's a dichotomy,
(07:21):
but it actually makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well when you think about like how the league is going.
Remember we've seen the renaissance of the running back, and
we've seen the running game come back to prominence, and
a lot of that was due to teams playing more
zone coverage and more too deep coverage, trying to take
away the big shots. Everyone is trying to take away
the big play and for his teams to drive it
down the field. The only way you can create those
big plays offensively is when you run the ball and
(07:45):
you can lure that extra defendan into the box. Now
you have one on one coverage and you're hoping a
speech to can win Xavier' worthy.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I know somewhere in that playbook Andy.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Reid wants to use those Dashawn Jackson plays the they
have from Philadelphia Worthy, those deep overs, those deep in
and out corners, those explosive plays. But the only way
that they're going to be able to do it got
to set up the run in some way. You've got
to make them defend the running game so you can
take advantage.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Of the one on one possibilities.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah. The other thing that's interesting though, you look at
the division, the three teams in your division, look at
the fronts, the pass rushers of the teams in that division.
That's six of your games right there. You got teams
with dudes who can really rush. So you know, it's
it's a little bit of a challenge and being able
to protect to be able to get those shots off.
So we'll see how this this offensive line comes together.
A couple of new pieces there that'll be interesting. All right.
(08:39):
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Wassabi dot com. I'm gonna split this up because there's
a couple more football things I want to get to here,
but i've been I'm moving this up on the rundown
because i want to get your take on it. So
we had we just had the open, right and Scotty
(09:01):
Scheffer just won the open over there in Ireland believes
where they played it, and there's a lot of There
was a lot of buzz about the interviews that he
gave and about how he talked about perspective and life
and how winning or losing doesn't really make him as
a person, talked about his faith, talked about his family,
very low heartbeat. There was an interview I saw with
Jordan Speif, another golfer on the tour, who talked about
(09:24):
how you know Scotty when he's done playing, you'll never
see him again. And he said he's unlike he made
the phrase, he's unlike any other superstar that we've seen,
and that he doesn't want anything to do with cashing
in on his celebrity, you know, being an endorsement things,
you know, being out there out front, he said, going
out and speaking and doing the business things. There's all
this free money that's waiting out there for you if
(09:45):
you want it. And the only player he could think
of in professional sports that would compare to that was
Nikola Jokic. And we thought, was you know a superstar
player who does not give two flips like he just
very humble, doesn't want all that comes with that. And
I started thinking about and I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna
hit Bucky on this, like do we have anybody because
Tom Brady cashed in like he you know he's and
(10:06):
Tom Brady is emotional like you saw his emotions go
up and come down. Scotty Scheffler's just like this. So
I'm like, who in the football world is like that?
And who doesn't really embrace the spot like my Initially
I thought, oh, maybe like a Joe bro Joe Burrow
wears the loud clothes like he you know, why is
the Batman suit like he that is not Scotty Scheffler.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I would say, Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I'll say, Jalen Hurs is kind of like yeah, steady,
yet he doesn't give you a lot make It's kind
of mysterious in terms of what he's doing, how he operates.
You've told me the stories about how he came in
very early in his career with a briefcase when to
work every day, got the big contract, and it doesn't
appear to have changed his approach or outlook. Is not
(10:49):
like we see him all over the screen on a
bunch of different commercials whatever. He kind of just goes
about doing his business. And then when you dig into
his background a lot of philanthropic things is that he's
kind of into. To me, he might be that undercover
superstar who was okay letting his on field accolades and
achievements kind of speak for themselves.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I think you nailed it. I didn't even I didn't
even think of that one because I was thinking of
and it's not a perfect match. But Justin Herbert's like that.
Justin Herbert does not want anything to do with the spotlight.
Justin Herbert, you know, was very very to him in.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
LA, but never see him in LA.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I mean, he's not a couple like random like beef
jerky ads or something like something like off off brand
a little bit, but you don't see him doing that stuff.
He's a good looking guy. He plays in the number
two media market. You would think he would just be
cashing those in. I don't think he really has an
interest in doing that, and I think once he's done,
he'll be fishing somewhere. You won't service anywhere. Gone to November,
(11:50):
it is like not to struggle to come up with names.
You came up with a good one shows you just
how rare it is for a guy to be wired.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
That way it is.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
And you know, we're in such a different time where
it's hard for people to keep the main thing the
main thing, and their condition from a very early age,
like young athletes are conditioned. It's about the brand, and
the brand is all the things that they talk about,
But in reality, the brand should be your performance and
your production, because the better you perform and produce, the
(12:20):
more likely you're gonna have opportunities because everyone loves a
winner and everyone is chasing excellence greatness, and so if
you become a great player and you win on top
of that, all those things kind of take care of themselves.
And so if you focus on the things that are
really important when it comes to your sport, more than
likely you'll be paid back tenfold.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I just I'm mad at myself for not coming up
with Jalen Hurts because it's not only okay, so it's great,
a great one.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I'm gonna give you this.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
And it comes on the heels of like the people
know you and I are both Nike guys, right, no
offense to other brands, but you and are now we
live in the brand, we talk, we have friends that
were for the brand in those things, and so it
comes on the heels of seeing the Jordan brands god
what they call it Board of Greatness where they had.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
A trip to Greece where Jordan took all of his.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Oh he took all of his indoor seas they were there,
they're talking about it and Jalen Hurst was one and
you see him on the thing, and so it was
just front of mine being like, wow, how about them
being on the front end of investing in him early
and he paid him back to standout performances in Super Bowl,
Super Bowl Champion. He leads a team that is dynamic
(13:36):
and really fun to watch, allbeing in a different way.
And he is catalyst, but not the traditional quarterback catalyst
because people will say like, yeah, but they have all
these weapons in the running game, but post a seasons
with ten rushing touchdowns and a lot of what you
have to do when defending him and Barkley is the
run game as opposed to the passing game. It's just
(13:59):
a counter culture approach, which is why he kind of
came to my thought process.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, I was kind of running through like maybe if
you went in the previous era of the NBA, and
I couldn't even I can't even come up with one.
You know, Bird was in commercials with him. He was
all over commercials him and Magic.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Like it's funny in a weird way. Shay yoges Alexander
a little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
SGA is a.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Little under the radar now. He's flamboyant and flashy with
his clothes and they'll seem but his game is not.
I mean, he's a mid range assassin. Like it's not
a lot of flash to it. He kind of focuses
on it. He won the MVP, wins all these other
stuff and just kind of like Cohm onto.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The thing with Chef. I watched the end of the turn.
It seemed hurting the turn, but I watched the end
of it, and the thing that struck me was the walk,
Like when you're walking up eighteen and you've got this
thing wrapped up normally you'll see the guys, they'll just
be looking up. You can just see him just soaking
it all in. Maybe it's like you said, maybe some
fist pond like kind of just just drinking it all in.
(15:02):
He was like, I put this thing.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
What am I gonna do?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
All right? So I'll go where do I need to go?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Stand?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Get the check trophy, Like, just just let me know
so I can do this and we can get off.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Of the court.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Speaking speaking of like marketing though, like for him not
being you know, Nike put out the their their a
little quick ad on social media, which was great. But yeah,
like his kid had like this cute little Nike sweatsuit
and I was like, that was now he got their
money's where it's just on the kid. Like they're gonna
sell somebody those little kid mini kids sweatshirts and sweatpants. Man,
the sun was rocking. That was the best advertarse. That
was like the best thing you've seen since the Tiger's
(15:40):
putt with the logo just drop.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Into the cup. Yeah, not design or anything like.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, but but I think that's a good lesson too,
like a scouting lesson where you can't you can't just
be narrow. In other words, you can't say I need
somebody who's not emotional. I need somebody who's got a
passion and fire. And I'm like, we can find great
players in every sport with all different types of personality.
I think that the one thing that that like with
Scheffler compared to you know, with all these other guys,
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that they do have in common, even though he doesn't
necessarily outwardly show it. It's the drive and the competitiveness.
He really wants to win him. It doesn't make or
break him, but he's putting in the work and the drive,
and you know, there's there's that part of the wiring.
I think it's wiring versus personality. I think sometimes we
put lump those things together. I think those are two
different things.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, it's funny yet because there are two different things.
It is about the wiring and one thing is you
try and find enough on the player to dig inside
to get that part of it, and then we talk
about the personality. I think DJ I think it's hard,
and I think it's hard, like early because so much
(16:50):
a playing we use quarterbacks so much A playing quarterback
is about the leadership and the showcase position, like, it's
the most market position in sports. They get the most money.
I'llowed to accolades and the attention, and so to have
someone who knows I'm stepping into this role that brings
all of.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
This, but I don't want that, ye wins.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
I think that's a rare fine because from the time,
I mean, you see it, you've been around football, youth sports.
You see the dads and the quarterback dads and coming
and oh we can go from this school to dad
school to this school, and hey, what about me? Me?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Me it. I mean, their conditioned from an early age
to be very me centric. That's hard to then say, oh,
I'm not gonna worry about me.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I'm just gonna focus on the product and make sure
that everyone around me is better and I'm not worried
about the attention.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, it's rare. It is very rare. Man, It's very interesting.
All right, I say, quick break a couple more football
things want to get too, right after this? All right? Buck,
I don't know if you saw this. There was a
article it was on ESPN the other day about JJ
McCarthy in about how coach Kevin O'Connell was dedicating an
(18:04):
hour to him every week to meet in his office,
even though he was on Jerser wasn't going to play
his entire rookie season, and they were in a you know, look,
they were chasing a super Bowl last year with the
year they had in Minnesota, but koc still carved out
an hour where he would meet with him and just
invest in him and help him to learn and grow.
And he said he thought that really helped them get
(18:26):
up to speed now that he is the starter going
into a second year without any playing time, and so
one of the things then the article that stood out
to me was they asked him, you know, how did
you know you were comfortable with him being the guy
you let Sam Donald leave. They remember they had Daniel
Jones in their building last year. Let him walk away.
They don't out, They don't go out and get Aaron Rodgers,
who would have been familiar with the system. They put
(18:46):
all the riggs in the JJ McCarthy basket, and the
one thing in there I took that I thought was fascinating.
He said, I felt comfortable with JJ because of the
questions he was asking.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Hmm, that is so there's so many layers to the
right to be able to ask good questions. You have
to know what you're looking at and want to have
the solutions to the problems that come up. It's not
just the random surface questions that are generic, but it's
questions that are due to the work that you're doing
(19:17):
that you want to crack the code. I'll say this
about JJ McCarthy, and look, it goes to the coach
that you work with very closely in Jim Arbough. I've
never heard someone rave and give so much a fusion
praise to a player who helped him win a national
title but didn't appear to play the leading role in that.
(19:39):
But every time you hear Jim Hobart talk about JJ McCarthy,
he talks about man. He reminds me of myself, ultra
competitive has it. And then you also we talk about
Alex Smith and I find JJ McCarthy fascinating because of
I would say he has an old soul in terms
of the way that he approaches it. Seeing him meditate
(19:59):
before game under the goal post being on the cutting
edge of like the meditation, the breathing, exercises, all of
those things. Knowing depression being what I would say, very
open and honest about like being able to control the mind.
To me, he has a level of maturity that is
beyond his years.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And I think the.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Other part that you talked about with KOC, because Kevin
O'Connor was a quarterback in a backup quarterback, I think
that has really helped him be really, really good with quarterbacks.
I think being aware enough that I got a young
quarterback that they need to develop and even though he's injured,
I need to continue to developmental process. People talked about
how Belichick would always meet with Tom Brady, that hour
(20:44):
long meeting hover multiple times a week and they would
go back and forth. Man, everybody wants a franchise quarterback,
but few people invest in the quarterback in terms of
holistically making sure that they're better. To me, this is
the right player and the right coach the plan that
is going to allow him to succeed very early in
his career.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
All right, So this is the other place in my
mind went. As he brought up great points there, my
thought was, you have your quarterback coach, you have your
offensive coordinator, but let's just say, you know, and I know,
you can have an assistant quarterbacks coach. You know you
can have you put thro as many coaches on your
staff as you want, but wouldn't it almost make sense
to dedicate one like you think about having a personal trainer, Right,
(21:26):
he's just just for me. If you have a former
quarterback who's played in your system, the retired quarterback, I
mean it maybe doesn't have a whole pack of a
lot going on and doesn't want to doesn't want to
be the full time, you know coach, But you can say, hey, look,
your former quarterback, you played, you know, eight years in
this league. You've been in my system. We drafted a
(21:48):
quarterback in the second round, and he's not gonna get
on the field this year. I want you to be
his personal basically, his personal trainer. Like you're gonna come in,
We're gonna he's gonna he's gonna sit in all our
regular quarterback meetings, he's gonna go through all of our aways,
going to go through all the stuff that all the
other quarterbacks go. But I'm going to cart out. Instead
of an hour a week, we're going to have an
hour a day where you're just going to come in
here an hour a day and he can fire any
(22:10):
questions he has at you, and you can help him
understand and learn this offense. You know that we're running.
It seems to me, like gosh, that the money would
be well invested if you did that.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
There's money well invested in. There's ways you can do
it without putting them on the coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Practice squad is a way to do that, right, if
someone who's able to do it, Hey, man, we're gonna
pay you X amount of dollars to be on the
private squad and your job is to help my young
guy get better. So the question is that he may
want to ask the starter, he'll go to you. The
trick is the guy has to have enough, gotta have humility,
and he's had to play enough where there's a respect
(22:44):
factor that is there, you know what I mean, Like
play just enough where you've seen him play, you can
respect the fact that he's had some success in this league.
He's been around a long time in this league. A
let's go and see you have a perfect example would
be like a Chase Daniel type right played has them
said that they.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Chase teach my guy the program.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I've heard so many people talk about the program that
they all learned from Drew Brees. Right, Chase was there
back up then they said that maybe Chase took it
somewhere else and gave it to somebody else.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Everyone is from the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Give it to Alex Smith, and then Alex Smith gave Holmes.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's what I would want.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I want someone who has the program showed me how
to layout my week was my Monday, my Tuesday, my
Wednesday looked like what should I be doing on the
field and off the field.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
How do we get ready for it?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
At a time where the league is becoming increasingly younger.
The practice wid has helped us have some older guys,
but having a true mentor that is just the mentor
that he gets it. He gets his jollys off of
watching his young pupils succeed. I would like that, But
you're right, not a lot of guys like that. It
takes a very selfless person to be able.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
To value uh invaluable.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Like you're overpaid for someone like that, like a quality
mentor quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
You're overpaid for that. Yeah, I agree with you. So
it's interesting to see how teams continue to approach developing
these players. But I thought that was a fascinating article.
If you haven't ready to go check it out. It's
on ESPN dot Com just about how they handled JJ
McCarthy's rookie season, a year in which he, you know,
was unable to play due to injury. So I thought,
fascinating stuff. There. Last topic for you, Buck before we
(24:28):
get out of here, the UH the fact that all
these training camps are opening up. I started thinking about this.
I'm like, you know, we're gonna be on TV a bunch,
We're gonna be doing all, you know, talking about all
these camps. And I know the Cowboys always gonna be
the Cowboys, that we're always gonna talk about them. It's
just is what it is. Get used to it. But
I was trying to think of what is the team
outside of the Dallas Cowboys that is going to be
(24:48):
the team that we're checking in on every single day
Because I've got too in mind. I was gonna. I
was curious if you're going to see it the same
way or if you had another team that you think
will be the UH. Will be the most discussed team
of the preseason and training camp before we get to
the regular season.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Easy one is Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
That was one of my two.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
After Pittsburgh most discussed. Geez, that's tough for me after that.
I just think they're obvious. Not Atlanta, not tam Maybe
the Giants in a weird way only because of the
silliness that may take place with Jamis and Brussell and
(25:31):
Jackson are only because.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
That's a good one that's in the market. That's a
big market all stuff. I'm gonna tell you right now,
it's gonna be a Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Oh miss, that's obvious. I messed that one up. I
messed that one up.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, I mean not just I mean you've got you
got Chad and Gabriel as the two rookies, and you've
got Flacco as the vet. Then you've got Kenny Pickett
you trade for. Like, just the quarterback room alone is
going to be I mean, that is going to be
every single day is going to be a recap of
what happened to practice, what happened in this preseason game,
over analyzing at its absolute finest, not to mention, oh yeah,
(26:08):
who's the guy? So as Deshaun Watson standing over there,
forgot he's you know, he's heard, but he's he's out there.
I mean, it's just that position. I think that the
Cleveland Browns quarterback position and the Pittsburgh Steelers team, So
the quarterback for one team, and then the Aaron Rodgers
the whole, you know, the whole shooting match with Pittsburgh,
with all that they've done. I think those are gonna
be the two most discussed stories. And we'll put the
(26:30):
Cowboys in their own category because we know we're talking
about them.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
No, the the s Sanders thing is fascinating. I've just
never seen a situation where you have four quarterbacks that
are vying for one spot. And I don't even know
how you break this up with three preseason games. I've
never I've never seen this, and I don't know how
you ready to team. At some point you have to
get the team ready to go with the starter in mind. DJ,
(26:56):
I don't know how you do this. I don't know
how you split the baby. I don't know how you
We've never seen this. We've never seen this four for one.
I've never I've never seen this happen.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
It feels to me like maybe the and we were
talking about how this shakes out, but it almost feels
like between Flacco and pick it, I feel like the
two rookies, I just be shocked if they don't both
make the.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Team, Oh lose a Leetown match.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, I almost I almost think you're saying, like, whoever
the first starter to get hurt around the league is like, uh, Cleveland,
just you pick up the phone Andrewberry picking the phones? Hey,
so your starter got hurt. Yep, Yep, that's that's tough.
What do you have in mind? Well, we've got Flacco
(27:43):
and Kenny Pickett, dealer's choice dealers. Just send me something.
Just send me something. One of them has got to go.
So you just send me something and we'll uh and
we'll work something out.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Did you pick your pick like windows?
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Okay, you remember playing basketball the.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Players shoot the free throws, but he gets hurt, So
then the coach can come down to the other end
and pick who he wants.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
To want to Yeah, Pigure got Pigure guy.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, that's what that's what we're asking. That's what we're asking,
whoever you want.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
They still do that, by the way, that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Because it was the opposing the opposing.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Coach to pick it.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
And the funny thing is like you're you're in high school,
like he doesn't know like the eighth guy on your bench,
he didn't know who can't shoot. So it's literally the
most like I would say, it's the most what are
you profiling? It's the most profiling you're ever going to see.
Is the opposing basketball coach picking who shoots the free
throws for the hurt player. You like, see this like
(28:41):
nerdy white guy on the bench, Like he's only on
this team for one reason. It was really nervous, man,
really nervous.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
We're going yeah, see, I'd be looking.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I'd be looking at the most athletic guy and be like, man,
you're the most athletic looking guy in the bench. You're
not playing. The only reason possible that you could not
be out on the court is because you can't not shoot.
That's got to be That's who I'm picking to shoot
the free throws. I'm trying to I'm trying to find
the most athletic person and I'm saying, okay him, because
I don't understand why you wouldn't be playing. It's a
lot of strategy in that move, man.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
A lot of a lot of strategy, a lot of
so funny.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Uh look, look we touched we touched football, we touched baseball,
we touched basketball, baseball, yeah you baseball. We touched it
all all right, buddy, excited. We're gonna be out on
the road so, uh you know, we'll have another pod
I think come on Thursday. So we'll we'll keep you guys.
We'll keep you guys in the mix here as we're
traveling around. We're gonna make this thing work. Keep the
pots coming your way.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
We appreciate all your feedback and uh we will see
you next time right here on, Move to sticks.
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ, Buck
with you buck uh Man, I've been gone. I was
in Alaska for a week, had a nice little get
away there. Do this every year, and I got to
tell you, man, I can tell you about the trip
in a minute. And I appreciate you soldiering on here
(00:22):
on the show. But I left. Gosh, it was a
week vacation, and then I got home on a start
that's like, gosh, ten days or something like that. But
this baseball team never won a game the whole time
I was gone. Dodgers, they didn't win the whole time
I was literally I spent a whole vacation in Alaska.
They those guys did win a single game.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
This fine, Look it's a marathon, not a sprint.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
We know. We just got to get a ticket, got
to get in guests. Some guys not playing well right now.
Some guy's not playing very well right now.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So I'm such a jinx. Though, I'm such a jinkx.
They'll win like fifteen games in a row now, I
just don't get me opportunity to take my shot. So
I had to take my shot.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I mean, you gotta take a shot when you feel
like you shot it there. But we know what it's
gonna be when it gets to do out.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
No, hey, dude, training camps here man getting excited to
get out to see some camps. I'll be out this weekend.
Are you going anywhere this weekend?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
What do you get? So I'm down in Florida.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I got Miami and Jacksonville, So I have my Saturday
Jacksonville on Sunday, going down.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
Early to check out the Jaguars.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Their first practice is Wednesday, so I may have to
go check that out, see what they're doing, see if
they're gonna get how they're gonna use Travis Hunter. But no, DJ,
it's like I literally have I was going through doing
my calendar like I do on every Sunday, and I
just kind of.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Xed out all the weekends until February. Yeah, unavailable.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Nothing dude, dude, I've got I've got. You're gonna be
in the South. I'm gonna be in this. I'm going
to see the number one overall pick cam Ward on
Back Together Saturday, So that'll be this this coming Saturday.
I'll be in Nashville to watch cam Ward the Titans,
and then I'm gonna be at the Eagles, see all
my buddies up there on Monday, the following Monday, and
(02:02):
then after that zip home and I've got Chargers on Tuesday,
and then I know there's I want to break news here,
but like I do, believe, move the sticks. We're going
to take the show to Cowboys Camp sometime or in
early August, first second week August somewhere on there, so
we'll get out there, get a chance to visit all
the Cowboys. I'm sure we'll be out to the Rams
(02:22):
to see those guys as well. So busy time, but
a fun time, no doubt. Let's let's kick things off
here Buckets time for Hot or Not, brought to you
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of contracts have come down here from recently. This this
office is in here. Look at what happened with the
(02:43):
Kansas City Chiefs is where I wanted to focus. George
Carloftis gets a new deal. Some people thought kind of
surprised at the money, got good money. But he gets
a new deal. Tray Smith, they had got him done
as well. This offseason. So you look at, you know,
the Chiefs and kind of how they've positioned their resources
and in terms of what they did in the draft
on the offensive line as well. Bucket feels like Andy
(03:05):
Reid has always been a line of scrimmage guy and
no surprise here that he continues to develop and to
pay that position.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah, they're doing.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
It's one of the things that the Kansa the Chiefs
have done quietly, but it comes off of what they
did successfull in Philadelphia for years. They are a trenches
team and sometimes when we look at the Kansa the Chiefs,
we see all the flash and dash, the razzle dalls,
love Pat Mahomes and company, and we forget that they
have kind of made their bones by being really good
on the offensive line and fairly dominant on the defense,
(03:38):
particularly when you.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Have Chris Jones.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
The thing about it, you like, if you're Kansas City,
you drafted George Cobofts as a first round pick. He
has given you that complimentary playmaker that you wanted opposite
of Chris Jones, and he's continuing to get better. Look
the money, it's kind of crazy when you look at it.
Ninety three million dollars is a significant chuck a change,
(04:00):
but your expectation is he's going to it can continue
to get better and eventually, when Chris Jones phased to black,
George garloftis you're hoping becomes the centerpiece of the defensive lot.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
I I look, I was with Andy, and I know
in his belief in the line of scrimmage, he's always
felt that way. I just think this team has morphed
over the years and they've still continued to win at
a very high level. Again, just one one went away
from one another championship last year. But I have I
have been kind of stuck on this one little thing,
and this is just a selfish thing, and I think
(04:34):
it's flies in the face of how we both preach
about team building in terms of you build it up front,
all those things. But I wrote down for the for
the Chiefs m c f AM, we can get some
hats m c f A hats make the Chiefs fun
again like they just I want, I want, I want
that to be that even even when look, I worked
(04:56):
with the team in the division right, work with the Chargers,
call their games, so there's every people will can tell
me that I'm you know, anti Chief this, that and
the other. I'll admit, like when the Chiefs in the
Tyreek Hill early days and Mahomes getting on the field
of the days, like even if you weren't playing them
or preparing, you know, to call a game with those guys,
like you couldn't turn away from it. It was so
fun to watch, like what they were doing so soon.
(05:19):
And you know, I know in some of that changed
the way teams play defense. That brought in too high,
that brought in shell coverage, that let's put a lid
on everything, limited explosive plays. But man, buck, they have
been such a dink and dunk offense. I hope that offensively,
the Kansas City Chiefs can get some vertical aspects back
in their game.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
You want you want some of the vertical, you want
some of the fundays, some of the we the right
on top of the defense. Yes, uh, it's coming back.
Xavier Worthy will give them a chance to be. But
I'm gonna be honest, I think part of the reason
why the Chiefs have not been able to have the
deep ball, they're different in the backfield than the way
that they used to be. I look, I like Isaiah
(05:57):
Pacheco and he solid, but I don't know if he's
the type that you have to drop the extra defendant
in the box to defend him. I've always felt like
if the Chiefs were more special in the backfield, they
will be able to bring back the deep ball, or
they will be able to punish the two deep safety
looks that their face and when people are really trying
to make them play half court basketball.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeah, well, you bring in, uh this draft clash and
look at what's going to happen there. Okay, first of all,
get Rashid Rice back, get him going. I don't know
that he's really your deep threat, but you bring him
in your first round picks a left tackle and Josh Simmons.
You sign another tackle, Jalen Moore in free agency. The
hope is that, okay, now you've got you've got a
little more time. You can let those things develop down
(06:39):
the field. Jalen Royals can really run. They drafted him
in the fourth round. Worthy will be in the second year.
We know he's arguably the fastest player in the National
Football League. He is by time. So they've done things,
you know, from a protection standpoint and just a development
and their young guys kind of continuing to grow, including
a new piece there that they should be able to
(07:00):
get a little bit more over the top, and I'm
looking at the backfield. What they did in the seventh
round is the phone and brashot Smith who's going to
give them. He can give them some explosive plays in
the past game out of the backfield. But yeah, you know,
maybe that is it's kind of a different way of
looking at it, right, But in order to be more
vertical and explosive, we've got to be more dominant in
the backfield. Like it's kind of seems like that's a dichotomy,
(07:21):
but it actually makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Well when you think about like how the league is going.
Remember we've seen the renaissance of the running back, and
we've seen the running game come back to prominence, and
a lot of that was due to teams playing more
zone coverage and more too deep coverage, trying to take
away the big shots. Everyone is trying to take away
the big play and for his teams to drive it
down the field. The only way you can create those
big plays offensively is when you run the ball and
(07:45):
you can lure that extra defendan into the box. Now
you have one on one coverage and you're hoping a
speech to can win Xavier' worthy.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
I know somewhere in that playbook Andy.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Reid wants to use those Dashawn Jackson plays the they
have from Philadelphia Worthy, those deep overs, those deep in
and out corners, those explosive plays. But the only way
that they're going to be able to do it got
to set up the run in some way. You've got
to make them defend the running game so you can
take advantage.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Of the one on one possibilities.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah. The other thing that's interesting though, you look at
the division, the three teams in your division, look at
the fronts, the pass rushers of the teams in that division.
That's six of your games right there. You got teams
with dudes who can really rush. So you know, it's
it's a little bit of a challenge and being able
to protect to be able to get those shots off.
So we'll see how this this offensive line comes together.
A couple of new pieces there that'll be interesting. All right.
(08:39):
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Wassabi dot com. I'm gonna split this up because there's
a couple more football things I want to get to here,
but i've been I'm moving this up on the rundown
because i want to get your take on it. So
we had we just had the open, right and Scotty
(09:01):
Scheffer just won the open over there in Ireland believes
where they played it, and there's a lot of There
was a lot of buzz about the interviews that he
gave and about how he talked about perspective and life
and how winning or losing doesn't really make him as
a person, talked about his faith, talked about his family,
very low heartbeat. There was an interview I saw with
Jordan Speif, another golfer on the tour, who talked about
(09:24):
how you know Scotty when he's done playing, you'll never
see him again. And he said he's unlike he made
the phrase, he's unlike any other superstar that we've seen,
and that he doesn't want anything to do with cashing
in on his celebrity, you know, being an endorsement things,
you know, being out there out front, he said, going
out and speaking and doing the business things. There's all
this free money that's waiting out there for you if
(09:45):
you want it. And the only player he could think
of in professional sports that would compare to that was
Nikola Jokic. And we thought, was you know a superstar
player who does not give two flips like he just
very humble, doesn't want all that comes with that. And
I started thinking about and I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna
hit Bucky on this, like do we have anybody because
Tom Brady cashed in like he you know he's and
(10:06):
Tom Brady is emotional like you saw his emotions go
up and come down. Scotty Scheffler's just like this. So
I'm like, who in the football world is like that?
And who doesn't really embrace the spot like my Initially
I thought, oh, maybe like a Joe bro Joe Burrow
wears the loud clothes like he you know, why is
the Batman suit like he that is not Scotty Scheffler.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I would say, Jalen Hurts.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
I'll say, Jalen Hurs is kind of like yeah, steady,
yet he doesn't give you a lot make It's kind
of mysterious in terms of what he's doing, how he operates.
You've told me the stories about how he came in
very early in his career with a briefcase when to
work every day, got the big contract, and it doesn't
appear to have changed his approach or outlook. Is not
(10:49):
like we see him all over the screen on a
bunch of different commercials whatever. He kind of just goes
about doing his business. And then when you dig into
his background a lot of philanthropic things is that he's
kind of into. To me, he might be that undercover
superstar who was okay letting his on field accolades and
achievements kind of speak for themselves.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
I think you nailed it. I didn't even I didn't
even think of that one because I was thinking of
and it's not a perfect match. But Justin Herbert's like that.
Justin Herbert does not want anything to do with the spotlight.
Justin Herbert, you know, was very very to him in.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
LA, but never see him in LA.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I mean, he's not a couple like random like beef
jerky ads or something like something like off off brand
a little bit, but you don't see him doing that stuff.
He's a good looking guy. He plays in the number
two media market. You would think he would just be
cashing those in. I don't think he really has an
interest in doing that, and I think once he's done,
he'll be fishing somewhere. You won't service anywhere. Gone to November,
(11:50):
it is like not to struggle to come up with names.
You came up with a good one shows you just
how rare it is for a guy to be wired.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
That way it is.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
And you know, we're in such a different time where
it's hard for people to keep the main thing the
main thing, and their condition from a very early age,
like young athletes are conditioned. It's about the brand, and
the brand is all the things that they talk about,
But in reality, the brand should be your performance and
your production, because the better you perform and produce, the
(12:20):
more likely you're gonna have opportunities because everyone loves a
winner and everyone is chasing excellence greatness, and so if
you become a great player and you win on top
of that, all those things kind of take care of themselves.
And so if you focus on the things that are
really important when it comes to your sport, more than
likely you'll be paid back tenfold.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
I just I'm mad at myself for not coming up
with Jalen Hurts because it's not only okay, so it's great,
a great one.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
I'm gonna give you this.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
And it comes on the heels of like the people
know you and I are both Nike guys, right, no
offense to other brands, but you and are now we
live in the brand, we talk, we have friends that
were for the brand in those things, and so it
comes on the heels of seeing the Jordan brands god
what they call it Board of Greatness where they had.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
A trip to Greece where Jordan took all of his.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Oh he took all of his indoor seas they were there,
they're talking about it and Jalen Hurst was one and
you see him on the thing, and so it was
just front of mine being like, wow, how about them
being on the front end of investing in him early
and he paid him back to standout performances in Super Bowl,
Super Bowl Champion. He leads a team that is dynamic
(13:36):
and really fun to watch, allbeing in a different way.
And he is catalyst, but not the traditional quarterback catalyst
because people will say like, yeah, but they have all
these weapons in the running game, but post a seasons
with ten rushing touchdowns and a lot of what you
have to do when defending him and Barkley is the
run game as opposed to the passing game. It's just
(13:59):
a counter culture approach, which is why he kind of
came to my thought process.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, I was kind of running through like maybe if
you went in the previous era of the NBA, and
I couldn't even I can't even come up with one.
You know, Bird was in commercials with him. He was
all over commercials him and Magic.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Like it's funny in a weird way. Shay yoges Alexander
a little bit of that.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
SGA is a.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
Little under the radar now. He's flamboyant and flashy with
his clothes and they'll seem but his game is not.
I mean, he's a mid range assassin. Like it's not
a lot of flash to it. He kind of focuses
on it. He won the MVP, wins all these other
stuff and just kind of like Cohm onto.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The thing with Chef. I watched the end of the turn.
It seemed hurting the turn, but I watched the end
of it, and the thing that struck me was the walk,
Like when you're walking up eighteen and you've got this
thing wrapped up normally you'll see the guys, they'll just
be looking up. You can just see him just soaking
it all in. Maybe it's like you said, maybe some
fist pond like kind of just just drinking it all in.
(15:02):
He was like, I put this thing.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
What am I gonna do?
Speaker 1 (15:07):
All right? So I'll go where do I need to go?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Stand?
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Get the check trophy, Like, just just let me know
so I can do this and we can get off.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Of the court.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Speaking speaking of like marketing though, like for him not
being you know, Nike put out the their their a
little quick ad on social media, which was great. But yeah,
like his kid had like this cute little Nike sweatsuit
and I was like, that was now he got their
money's where it's just on the kid. Like they're gonna
sell somebody those little kid mini kids sweatshirts and sweatpants. Man,
the sun was rocking. That was the best advertarse. That
was like the best thing you've seen since the Tiger's
(15:40):
putt with the logo just drop.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Into the cup. Yeah, not design or anything like.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Yeah, but but I think that's a good lesson too,
like a scouting lesson where you can't you can't just
be narrow. In other words, you can't say I need
somebody who's not emotional. I need somebody who's got a
passion and fire. And I'm like, we can find great
players in every sport with all different types of personality.
I think that the one thing that that like with
Scheffler compared to you know, with all these other guys,
(16:09):
that they do have in common, even though he doesn't
necessarily outwardly show it. It's the drive and the competitiveness.
He really wants to win him. It doesn't make or
break him, but he's putting in the work and the drive,
and you know, there's there's that part of the wiring.
I think it's wiring versus personality. I think sometimes we
put lump those things together. I think those are two
different things.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
Yeah, it's funny yet because there are two different things.
It is about the wiring and one thing is you
try and find enough on the player to dig inside
to get that part of it, and then we talk
about the personality. I think DJ I think it's hard,
and I think it's hard, like early because so much
(16:50):
a playing we use quarterbacks so much A playing quarterback
is about the leadership and the showcase position, like, it's
the most market position in sports. They get the most money.
I'llowed to accolades and the attention, and so to have
someone who knows I'm stepping into this role that brings
all of.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
This, but I don't want that, ye wins.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
I think that's a rare fine because from the time,
I mean, you see it, you've been around football, youth sports.
You see the dads and the quarterback dads and coming
and oh we can go from this school to dad
school to this school, and hey, what about me? Me?
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Me it. I mean, their conditioned from an early age
to be very me centric. That's hard to then say, oh,
I'm not gonna worry about me.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I'm just gonna focus on the product and make sure
that everyone around me is better and I'm not worried
about the attention.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Yeah, it's rare. It is very rare. Man, It's very interesting.
All right, I say, quick break a couple more football
things want to get too, right after this? All right? Buck,
I don't know if you saw this. There was a
article it was on ESPN the other day about JJ
McCarthy in about how coach Kevin O'Connell was dedicating an
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hour to him every week to meet in his office,
even though he was on Jerser wasn't going to play
his entire rookie season, and they were in a you know, look,
they were chasing a super Bowl last year with the
year they had in Minnesota, but koc still carved out
an hour where he would meet with him and just
invest in him and help him to learn and grow.
And he said he thought that really helped them get
(18:26):
up to speed now that he is the starter going
into a second year without any playing time, and so
one of the things then the article that stood out
to me was they asked him, you know, how did
you know you were comfortable with him being the guy
you let Sam Donald leave. They remember they had Daniel
Jones in their building last year. Let him walk away.
They don't out, They don't go out and get Aaron Rodgers,
who would have been familiar with the system. They put
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all the riggs in the JJ McCarthy basket, and the
one thing in there I took that I thought was fascinating.
He said, I felt comfortable with JJ because of the
questions he was asking.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Hmm, that is so there's so many layers to the
right to be able to ask good questions. You have
to know what you're looking at and want to have
the solutions to the problems that come up. It's not
just the random surface questions that are generic, but it's
questions that are due to the work that you're doing
(19:17):
that you want to crack the code. I'll say this
about JJ McCarthy, and look, it goes to the coach
that you work with very closely in Jim Arbough. I've
never heard someone rave and give so much a fusion
praise to a player who helped him win a national
title but didn't appear to play the leading role in that.
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But every time you hear Jim Hobart talk about JJ McCarthy,
he talks about man. He reminds me of myself, ultra
competitive has it. And then you also we talk about
Alex Smith and I find JJ McCarthy fascinating because of
I would say he has an old soul in terms
of the way that he approaches it. Seeing him meditate
(19:59):
before game under the goal post being on the cutting
edge of like the meditation, the breathing, exercises, all of
those things. Knowing depression being what I would say, very
open and honest about like being able to control the mind.
To me, he has a level of maturity that is
beyond his years.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
And I think the.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Other part that you talked about with KOC, because Kevin
O'Connor was a quarterback in a backup quarterback, I think
that has really helped him be really, really good with quarterbacks.
I think being aware enough that I got a young
quarterback that they need to develop and even though he's injured,
I need to continue to developmental process. People talked about
how Belichick would always meet with Tom Brady, that hour
(20:44):
long meeting hover multiple times a week and they would
go back and forth. Man, everybody wants a franchise quarterback,
but few people invest in the quarterback in terms of
holistically making sure that they're better. To me, this is
the right player and the right coach the plan that
is going to allow him to succeed very early in
his career.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
All right, So this is the other place in my
mind went. As he brought up great points there, my
thought was, you have your quarterback coach, you have your
offensive coordinator, but let's just say, you know, and I know,
you can have an assistant quarterbacks coach. You know you
can have you put thro as many coaches on your
staff as you want, but wouldn't it almost make sense
to dedicate one like you think about having a personal trainer, Right,
(21:26):
he's just just for me. If you have a former
quarterback who's played in your system, the retired quarterback, I
mean it maybe doesn't have a whole pack of a
lot going on and doesn't want to doesn't want to
be the full time, you know coach, But you can say, hey, look,
your former quarterback, you played, you know, eight years in
this league. You've been in my system. We drafted a
(21:48):
quarterback in the second round, and he's not gonna get
on the field this year. I want you to be
his personal basically, his personal trainer. Like you're gonna come in,
We're gonna he's gonna he's gonna sit in all our
regular quarterback meetings, he's gonna go through all of our aways,
going to go through all the stuff that all the
other quarterbacks go. But I'm going to cart out. Instead
of an hour a week, we're going to have an
hour a day where you're just going to come in
here an hour a day and he can fire any
(22:10):
questions he has at you, and you can help him
understand and learn this offense. You know that we're running.
It seems to me, like gosh, that the money would
be well invested if you did that.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
There's money well invested in. There's ways you can do
it without putting them on the coaching staff.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Practice squad is a way to do that, right, if
someone who's able to do it, Hey, man, we're gonna
pay you X amount of dollars to be on the
private squad and your job is to help my young
guy get better. So the question is that he may
want to ask the starter, he'll go to you. The
trick is the guy has to have enough, gotta have humility,
and he's had to play enough where there's a respect
(22:44):
factor that is there, you know what I mean, Like
play just enough where you've seen him play, you can
respect the fact that he's had some success in this league.
He's been around a long time in this league. A
let's go and see you have a perfect example would
be like a Chase Daniel type right played has them
said that they.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Chase teach my guy the program.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
I've heard so many people talk about the program that
they all learned from Drew Brees. Right, Chase was there
back up then they said that maybe Chase took it
somewhere else and gave it to somebody else.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Everyone is from the Chiefs.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Give it to Alex Smith, and then Alex Smith gave Holmes.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
That's what I would want.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I want someone who has the program showed me how
to layout my week was my Monday, my Tuesday, my
Wednesday looked like what should I be doing on the
field and off the field.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
How do we get ready for it?
Speaker 3 (23:34):
At a time where the league is becoming increasingly younger.
The practice wid has helped us have some older guys,
but having a true mentor that is just the mentor
that he gets it. He gets his jollys off of
watching his young pupils succeed. I would like that, But
you're right, not a lot of guys like that. It
takes a very selfless person to be able.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
To value uh invaluable.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Like you're overpaid for someone like that, like a quality
mentor quarterback.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
You're overpaid for that. Yeah, I agree with you. So
it's interesting to see how teams continue to approach developing
these players. But I thought that was a fascinating article.
If you haven't ready to go check it out. It's
on ESPN dot Com just about how they handled JJ
McCarthy's rookie season, a year in which he, you know,
was unable to play due to injury. So I thought,
fascinating stuff. There. Last topic for you, Buck before we
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get out of here, the UH the fact that all
these training camps are opening up. I started thinking about this.
I'm like, you know, we're gonna be on TV a bunch,
We're gonna be doing all, you know, talking about all
these camps. And I know the Cowboys always gonna be
the Cowboys, that we're always gonna talk about them. It's
just is what it is. Get used to it. But
I was trying to think of what is the team
outside of the Dallas Cowboys that is going to be
(24:48):
the team that we're checking in on every single day
Because I've got too in mind. I was gonna. I
was curious if you're going to see it the same
way or if you had another team that you think
will be the UH. Will be the most discussed team
of the preseason and training camp before we get to
the regular season.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Easy one is Pittsburgh.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
That was one of my two.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
After Pittsburgh most discussed. Geez, that's tough for me after that.
I just think they're obvious. Not Atlanta, not tam Maybe
the Giants in a weird way only because of the
silliness that may take place with Jamis and Brussell and
(25:31):
Jackson are only because.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
That's a good one that's in the market. That's a
big market all stuff. I'm gonna tell you right now,
it's gonna be a Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Oh miss, that's obvious. I messed that one up. I
messed that one up.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, I mean not just I mean you've got you
got Chad and Gabriel as the two rookies, and you've
got Flacco as the vet. Then you've got Kenny Pickett
you trade for. Like, just the quarterback room alone is
going to be I mean, that is going to be
every single day is going to be a recap of
what happened to practice, what happened in this preseason game,
over analyzing at its absolute finest, not to mention, oh yeah,
(26:08):
who's the guy? So as Deshaun Watson standing over there,
forgot he's you know, he's heard, but he's he's out there.
I mean, it's just that position. I think that the
Cleveland Browns quarterback position and the Pittsburgh Steelers team, So
the quarterback for one team, and then the Aaron Rodgers
the whole, you know, the whole shooting match with Pittsburgh,
with all that they've done. I think those are gonna
be the two most discussed stories. And we'll put the
(26:30):
Cowboys in their own category because we know we're talking
about them.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
No, the the s Sanders thing is fascinating. I've just
never seen a situation where you have four quarterbacks that
are vying for one spot. And I don't even know
how you break this up with three preseason games. I've
never I've never seen this, and I don't know how
you ready to team. At some point you have to
get the team ready to go with the starter in mind. DJ,
(26:56):
I don't know how you do this. I don't know
how you split the baby. I don't know how you
We've never seen this. We've never seen this four for one.
I've never I've never seen this happen.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
It feels to me like maybe the and we were
talking about how this shakes out, but it almost feels
like between Flacco and pick it, I feel like the
two rookies, I just be shocked if they don't both
make the.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Team, Oh lose a Leetown match.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Yeah, I almost I almost think you're saying, like, whoever
the first starter to get hurt around the league is like, uh, Cleveland,
just you pick up the phone Andrewberry picking the phones? Hey,
so your starter got hurt. Yep, Yep, that's that's tough.
What do you have in mind? Well, we've got Flacco
(27:43):
and Kenny Pickett, dealer's choice dealers. Just send me something.
Just send me something. One of them has got to go.
So you just send me something and we'll uh and
we'll work something out.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
Did you pick your pick like windows?
Speaker 3 (27:54):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Okay, you remember playing basketball the.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Players shoot the free throws, but he gets hurt, So
then the coach can come down to the other end
and pick who he wants.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
To want to Yeah, Pigure got Pigure guy.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, that's what that's what we're asking. That's what we're asking,
whoever you want.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
They still do that, by the way, that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
Because it was the opposing the opposing.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Coach to pick it.
Speaker 1 (28:20):
And the funny thing is like you're you're in high school,
like he doesn't know like the eighth guy on your bench,
he didn't know who can't shoot. So it's literally the
most like I would say, it's the most what are
you profiling? It's the most profiling you're ever going to see.
Is the opposing basketball coach picking who shoots the free
throws for the hurt player. You like, see this like
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nerdy white guy on the bench, Like he's only on
this team for one reason. It was really nervous, man,
really nervous.
Speaker 3 (28:48):
We're going yeah, see, I'd be looking.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
I'd be looking at the most athletic guy and be like, man,
you're the most athletic looking guy in the bench. You're
not playing. The only reason possible that you could not
be out on the court is because you can't not shoot.
That's got to be That's who I'm picking to shoot
the free throws. I'm trying to I'm trying to find
the most athletic person and I'm saying, okay him, because
I don't understand why you wouldn't be playing. It's a
lot of strategy in that move, man.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
A lot of a lot of strategy, a lot of
so funny.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
Uh look, look we touched we touched football, we touched baseball,
we touched basketball, baseball, yeah you baseball. We touched it
all all right, buddy, excited. We're gonna be out on
the road so, uh you know, we'll have another pod
I think come on Thursday. So we'll we'll keep you guys.
We'll keep you guys in the mix here as we're
traveling around. We're gonna make this thing work. Keep the
pots coming your way.
Speaker 2 (29:36):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
We appreciate all your feedback and uh we will see
you next time right here on, Move to sticks.
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