October 14, 2025 • 43 mins
Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, and Rhett Lewis open the show by taking a victory lap for Rhett after Indiana’s historic road win over No. 3 Oregon. Then, they recap the Monday night doubleheader, which featured a pair of upsets — the Bears over the Commanders (11:38) and the Falcons over the Bills (18:27). The guys spotlight Seahawks OC Klint Kubiak as their Coordinator of the Week (30:34) and make their Week 7 Rookie Draft picks (36:37).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up, everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ Bucky and I'm very happy, smiling.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Couldn't wait to get on the show r At Lewis today.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I mean a little.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Anymore.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, there should be a special delivery arriving. I switch.
I'll switch on the whole episode next week.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
And by the way, I'm just gonna see something because
we're gonna let Rhett Uh celebrate Indiana and we'll talk
about that game and and how coach Signetti's got them rocking.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Buck I had. I was like, man, I got up
this morning, have.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
My breakfast and I just prayed, Lord give me something
from app State that I have to fight fire with fire.
And I went through the and we'll get to the game.
But I went to the b Jon Robinson explosive runs.
I'm my gosh, dang, this center from from the Falcons
is killing people and I'm like, looked it up. Oh,
app State guy, app State got twenty. So I'm gonna
have to fight fire with fire once we get to that,
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to that portion of it. But right, did you get
a chance because you're doing a game, did you get
a chance to even watch that one.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Yeah, I was coming back from the game. Was I
at Michigan State UCLA game and we got to start
talking to Nico again after these last couple of weeks.
But we'll get we'll get there. Yeah, it's just so
I listened to the first hour in the car and
the way to Detroit to fly out, and then our
flight got delayed by two hours, so I actually just
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sat in the in the airport was able to watch
the whole rest of the game, which.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Was which was excellent.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
So it was it was super cool, and you know
it's people have asked me, you know, all the time
since that night, like how's it feel? I was like,
I don't know, how do you describe something we've never
felt before?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I don't know in the country.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Yeah, I know, man, But I think it was a
Bucky and I were talking a little bit before you
popped on. It was a coach clinic from SIGNETI and
as coordinators, and Dan.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Lanning said as much. I thought. By the way that
was it was teach tape.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
The way that Dan Lanning handled that postgame press conference afterwards,
I mean he laid it out. He was like they
have more hats at the point of attack on defense,
quarterback couldn't deal with the pressure, you know. Offensively, they
ran the ball down our throats when they had to.
I mean like he was kind of going down the
whole thing. And for that guy, who I consider, you know,
the best coach in college football, among the best coaches
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in college footballs put it that way today. For him
to come out and say that, I think, to me,
spoke volumes about what Siga's done at IU. The coordinator
consistency that they have and their player evaluation model is
incredible because they get the most out of everybody that's
out there.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
You know, DJ before we came on right now, we're
talking about like Signetti and like fifteen to seventeen transfers
came in, and how Signetti is all about production over projection.
And I was telling him in some scouting circles that
is the way that you go up about it, like
you want to see the production, the production over time
multiple years. And those guys are the ones that tendn't
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to play well no matter what level they're at, Like
they were super productive in high school, college, They're going
to be productive in the pros and it's so interesting
where we end this. I would say this crossroads where
NFL football meets college football at the collegiate level, where
you're having these scouting philosophies and those things. And it's
just interesting that Signetti has been able to scale up.
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He's followed that philosophy. The philosophy has been successful for
him at every stop along the way. And I just
wonder how many others operate with a similar mindset when
it comes to.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Production over product projection.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I want to ask you guys, because I got a
chance to see a little bit of this game. I'm
actually getting my drive later this week, so I'm actually
starting the draft stuff a little bit earlier this year,
so I'm excited about that. But I was going through
a bunch of the NFL games and uh, and the
last one that I went through was the Seattle game. Uh,
your game, Buck Seattle Jacksonville. I was regoing rewatching that
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this morning, watching their defense, and I had I wrote
a little note down and I feel like I've seen
this with a lot of the good defenses, and I'm curious,
what if you would say this is how Indiana's been
playing or doing what they're doing, because I just wrote down, Man,
these good defenses, I wrote, the littles tackle and the
bigs run. Like when you see you see the big
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guys sprinting down the field making tackles, when you see
them getting out to the perimeter on all these screens
and things and and and just playing with the motor
and effort and just running. You see the big guys running,
and then you see the corners sticking their face in
the fan and being physical and making tackles. I'm like,
when you got your little guys playing big and your
big guys can play little, that's a that's a good
combination to have.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Man, I'm just curious on Indiana what they're doing defensively.
What is it?
Speaker 5 (04:46):
So one, it's it's havoc right, and that is that's
the biggest thing, so like for them, the angles that
they create with the freedom that their defensive linemen have
to get up the field, and then the way the
awareness and IQ of the second level players to make
them right is the biggest thing that.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
They have going right now.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
They are also I would say I haven't done the
metrics on this, but I would go back and look,
they are using three linebackers, probably more than almost anybody in.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
The lost art.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Now it is a lost art. Everyone's four to two five. Now,
like some guys are gonna good you know, three three, Yeah, sure,
but they are.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
They'll go four down with the three backers, and it's
their best personnel grouping. It's their best personnel period, right,
So find your ways to get your best players on
the field. And Brian Haynes is I'm telling you he's
the best defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
In the country right now.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Is it a real linebacker though, because like the three
three five, usually.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
A real backer that's down in there, real backer like
six two, two hundred and thirty five pounds, two hundred
thirty pound dudes that are that are in there. And well,
one of them is an all Big ten player, like
he's you know, middle backer, is really really good, really
really instinctive and has been in that system for five years.
So that certainly helps to the other two guys are
young dudes that have just continued.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I mean, like the trend line is way out.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
There, so I honestly, I think that's that's a big
piece of it.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
So good you know, read this fun You talked about
them having like three linebackers on the field. But so
many people talk about get your best eleven on the
field and then let the personnel dictate what you do
from a sneumatic standpoint, and it sounds like Indiana, that's
exactly what's happening.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And then at a time where no one operates like that.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
The last team that I can remember operating like that
extensively was like Michigan State when Nardoozie was there and
they were playing the old base four three cover flour linebackers. Yeah,
I mean that that's the last team that I can
think of operating like that at a full time till
and give them credit man Zig when everyone else is ag.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, that was going back to the old USC like
Pete Carroll and Cushing and Matthews. I had all three
of those big linebackers out there.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
The other thing, though, that's important to note here again
going back to the the evaluation is I mean, somebody
had it out on social media, you know the talent right,
Organ's like top five in the country in talent by
ratings and all of those metrics.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Indiana was like seventy fifth.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, it's just like, what is your evaluation of the player,
Like Keim, this dude went right now, look, could Indiana
I've gotten those players at order get probably not right.
So I mean it's not like they were trying to,
you know, they couldn't. They decided to go with the
three star instead. But they make the most of who
they have, I think better than anybody.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
In the country.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I was talking to someone who was working at a
blue blood This is Kay, maybe a month ago, and
he was telling me a story about the challenges of recruiting.
Like everybody thinks about the advantages of recruiting in a
blue blood, he was telling me the challenges of recruiting
in a blue blood.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Because he said, I'll give you an example.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
He said, we had a five star kid committed, we loved,
was a great player, and then at the last second,
the five star goes somewhere else. So our fan base
is freaking out. Well, we think the next best player
is player B, who's a three star kid. But there's
another five star kid that likes us, that's gonna get
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the fans off our tail and it's going to be like, oh,
you're doing a great job all this kind of stuff.
So we end up taking a five star that we
didn't even have evaluated higher than the three Star and
that well, that guy's no, the's no longer there. That
whole regime at that blue Blood is gone. But he
was saying, like, that's one of the things I don't
think people think about of you're trying to win. It's
like trying to win the press conference. You know, he said,
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we're going to hire the coach who's going to win
the press Come, just hire the best coach, Like, don't
forget about the press conference.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Exactly exactly.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
But there's a lot of pressure when it comes to that,
right because so many people are really dialed into the
recruiting stuff and everyone wants to be able to win
on signing day. You want to see that you have
a top twenty five class, top fifteen, and people want
to say that you stop.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
You know, you're stacking big class.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
It's still the norm, though, Buck, Like, like we're talking
Indiana's the exception. The norm is the teams that in
the National Champion every are usually one of the top
five most talented teams.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Yeah, so it kind of it's tough. It defies, it
defies everything.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Might give you the old don't cry for me Argentina
right there on the Blue Blood. The challenges of recruiting
a blue blood.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
But when the guy's no longer there, he's gonna interviewed
as a challenge for sure. But it's interesting and they
found because like I, we look at baseball, you know,
and that's why you can have a team the behemoths
with the huge payroll, the Dodgers that can probably win
the World Series, but you have the Brewers who have
no money. Because you're trying to find money.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It must spend it for money.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Spend the money, you spend the money.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Fuck fuck they don't give me on.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
A baseball The Dodgers TV deal brings in over three
hundred million dollars a year. The Padres don't even have
a TV deal. I bet you the Brewers aren't making
fifty million off of that.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So no.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
But what I'm saying is they've found, like in Indiana,
who doesn't have the ability to go grab all these premier,
premier players paying top dollar in terms of the recruits
side of things, They found an inefficiency in the market.
They ah, these players are undervalued. They're really really good
football players, but they're undervalued. So we can win with that.
So it's just figuring out a way to make it work.
Who do they have this week? By the way, what
what does Indiana have left on the schedule.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
It's so we got home consecutive home games against Michigan State,
who's down bad right now, at U c l A,
who is trending up. So that'll be an interesting game.
And then the last like real test is at Penn State.
And look, say what you want about where they're at.
They're still really talented. And I know Alur's out, but
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the kid Grumpmeyer is actually he's an athlete and he
could run. And I mean, I think they'll get a
boost initially, as they always do. If that offensive line
those starts playing to their capabilities, it'll be, It'll be,
it'll be. It'll still be a really tough test.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Go and transfer and opt out they got.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You're playing a JB.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You're playing a JVT byby pulling people out in the stands.
Maybe like long dream, it'd be like.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
A did a sudden that on his draft resume? Want
that on his draft resume? I don't know, dude.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
All I know is all I know is if you'd
have told little little ten year old me, Keith Smart
hit that jumper that I used football team might win
a national championship before their basketball team went another one.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
I don't know that I would.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Have got yeah a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, it's been a minute, all right, congrats Rat, good
lucky he was the rest of the way. Let's get
to the Monday Niners double double header last night, uh buck,
Let's start with the quarterback matchup. Everybody was going to
be talking about our buddy. Ryan Rascilla had a great
tweet after the game, the ultimate troll tweet. He's like, well,
now that's been decided, you know, between Daniels Caleb Williams.
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But hey, they got to turn over they needed late.
The Bears after you know, settling for a lot of
field goals. Jake Moody came through at the end, they
got down the field. Deandres s Fifth had a heck
of a game. But the Bears go on the road.
They got a big win.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Man. They're three and two right now.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, big win.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Look, man, I think anytime you have an opportunity to
see young guys square up, in particularly the quarterbacks, they
give us opportunity to revisit those reports, the good, the bad,
and the ugly and all those things that are in.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Those But I thought it was really solid in.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Terms of Kayleb Williams being the number one, seeing them
play with controls, seeing them play in front of the
home fans, meaning where he grew up in the DMV,
seeing him stand out and having to make plays and
lead drives and do those things.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It was just a solid overall effort.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
And I think from the first time that we saw
him in Ben Johnson's offense, going all the way back
to the preseason to where he is now, I think
he has made some strides and he's on track to
be a four thousand yard passer, and the Bears aren't
used to having four thousand yard passers. So I would
say things are trending up for the Bears and for
the Commanders. I think Jaydon Daniels continues to be what
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he's always been. I think he can dial it up
a few different ways. If you're both franchises, you're probably
very please with your QB one that you have entrance
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, So in terms of quarterbacks, I just thought this
was interesting.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
I was actually looking this up when I was kind
of digging in on our coordinator of the week, which
we'll get to here in just a little bit. But
I was looking at you know, who's holding on to
the ball alongest right now in the league. Caleb's still
way up there. He's still at over you know, almost
three point two second.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Now do you like that stat?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I hate that.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I don't know of it.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
But here's my question.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
If you're on time, if you have twenty five throws
and you're on time for twenty four of them and
the twenty fifth it's third and twenty one, and they
rush three guys and you scramble around for ten seconds.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
It like I hate that that. That's been used a lot.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
It has been used a lot, But I would say
one way in which it does illustrate some issues is,
you know, the only guy who's held it longer is
justin Fields, And I think that is probably a more
accurate description of like what's going on there than it
is necessarily with ALM, because you could see it like
Field is just like he's hanging on to it. Like
that's one where you can predict, man who's gonna be
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up there at the top.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Field's gonna be up there at the top.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Anyway, Besides the point, I was kind of curious because
you know, I keep dominating in the in the rookie
draft with Tyler Warren, and so I was like, why
can't I get my guys, you know, just another option,
Why can't I get Colston Lovelin going here. I don't
know that it's necessarily a negative at this point, but
I did think it was interesting. I went back and
watched all his reps in the in the past game here.
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I mean there's there's maybe like two or three where
he is even in the field of vision, and I
just don't know if that is a trust factor, if
that is a game plan factor, if that is a
you know, just not there yet sort of situation. But
there are times where he is open, and it's just
is not a part of the either the progression the field,
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Like it just wasn't the read. There's a bunch of different,
bunch of different, you know, pieces to this thing, and
you know, maybe you'll come on here at some point.
But I also think it has to do with, you know,
Roman Duns is really dang good. DJ Moores are you know,
really dang good, and so you know, they've got options.
It's not like they're really struggling and they're just choosing
not to use him. But I did think that was
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kind of interesting from a rookie standpoint. We just haven't
seen that to whereas the Colts are scheming it up
for Tyler. Warren left it right, you know, so I
thought that was kind of intriguing.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Can I can I defend defend Caleb on that one thing?
Just real quick.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, he's taken ten sacks this year, Justin Fields took
nine on Sunday, So I would not put him in
the same category.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
And I'm saying that's what I'm saying, what he's.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Doing, that's what.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
No, I'm not I'm not calling Caleb out on that.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I'm just saying, like, I just thought it was kind
of interesting that he's having more success this year and
it's kind of similar to the numbers.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
That it was.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I just think we got to find like there's some
some of these numbers where I'm like, that's useful, like
that that's a useful number. But to me, it's got
to be married up properly with how like what's his
on time throw percentage, you know, based off of the
rush and the route like and having you know, look
at that and then be okay, yeah, that's you get
an outlier here versus you know, in a certain situation
that can skew the numbers, so to speak. But I
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do think he's doing a better job, and I think
they've done a better job of baking it in. In
other words, there are a lot of creative screens and
he's gotten better. He's gotten better at that. There's different
types of screens when you're thinking about like kind of
the up and down screen.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Where you talk about it's almost like you're just trying
to get out of the jar.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, a little fade away, get the cookie out of
the cookie jar. And then there's also some of these
quick inside screens where it's just real quick, you get
the tight end and it's just a nice, quick, firm
ball and it's you know, on him, so we can go.
Caleb's gotten a lot better. That was not a great
strength of his. He's gotten a lot better at that stuff.
And Ben Johnson continues to roll those out and they
got some of their bigger pass plays on quick hitters
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like that where they got some run after catch. He's
still missing, you know, missfiring on a couple intermediate throws
where I almost feel like it's he's overthrowing, like he's
just trying to gass it up, just take a little off,
you know, and then a terrible out of a terrible
offensive PI call that cost him a touchdown. But he's playing.
He's playing pretty efficiently. That game was about protecting the
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football buck and you know, Jay and Daniels, I thought
was probably a little more pinpoint with how he threw
the football, but you had the turnovers and that was
the whole game.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Look, it comes down to us a bigger deciding factor
in ball. You turn it over, you lose games. And
in looking at both of the quarterbacks, you're right in
terms of being dialed in. Jaye Dames is so doubted
in terms of where the ball comes out, the placement,
the way he consistently hissed the strike zone.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
So I'm really impressed with those guys.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
And it's unfortunate that Drake May didn't play on Monday
night so we could have the big discussion that everyone
wants to have because people are talking about him and
his greatness, his ex first placed by the way. I mean,
there's a lot of stuff at a time where we
talk about the league having a quarterback problem. It doesn't
seem like that class had a lot of problems when
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it comes to finding Prinstance's quarterback because you go those
three bow knicks.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Time, we'll get to that.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Yeah, I mean that class looks like that class was
supposed to look given where they were drafted.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Uh no, it was Uh, it was good to see
both those guys. They're gonna be fine. I think you're
seeing them. You know everything that they can do and
how they can expand your offense. So I'm excited for
for both those teams going forward. Haven't seen Washington person
the week before. I'm not worried about them long term
at all.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Let's get to that other game. Rat you mentioned it.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Uh, give me a bajeonjon bajehan.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I gotta say that a million times before I get
it right. Do you remember when we were we were.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
All together doing path and uh it was a recap,
it was a path to the draft after the draft,
and then you said the question to me was who
will be who will have a better career? Uh you said, uh,
Gibbs or and before you could say Jean, it might
have been Beijeon at that time. So I immediately said, oh, Jean,
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that's not even I love Gibbs, gives a good player
he's a good player, but like to me, and then
after the first year, I was like, oh man, somebody
ever looks up that clip with the way Gibbs was rolling,
I was like, Okay, that could be a bad look
for your guy out there. And then now you look
up and I'm like, Okay, I'm a little comfortable with
Gibbs has been great, But what what what Robinson can
do all the way across the board. He's the best.
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He's the best running back in football right now. So unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, go ahead, Buck, because I have one one thought
on it.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
I'd be curious that I'd compose a question to you
based on what you guys have seen, But go ahead, Buck.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
No, look, I think last night was the showcase of
everything that Jon Robinson offers. You're talking about the eighty
one yard run on the inside zone and it's like
an outside zone, but it's the patience that he displays
kind of weaving through and the cut that he made DJ.
It's one of those that you can't even teach how
to do that patient slip slide and get out and
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then get down the paint. And to me, watching the
Falcons kind of get into this pistol offense where they
have a downhill running game and they're using him in
Tyler this year, and Bijon goes for like one hundred
and seventy hundred and eighty yards and he catches the
ball out the backfield and he does everything that a
new School RB one is supposed to do. He is
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as advertised, And there's a lot of conversation and consternation
about taking a running back high, but if you're going
to take one, they need to have the super powers
that Robinson has because this dude is literally a two
to three phase playmaker that can do it in so
many different ways.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Okay, so let me ask you guys this, because don't
you feel like and this is what So they drafted
Bijon that was the last year with Arthur.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Smith twenty three man.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah, okay, I felt like, you know, maybe maybe it
did take a minute, but it felt like you would
see those in those explosive plays where he's making those
cuts and you're like, and then he ends the game
with sixty five yards for seventy yards.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Because Tyler Algier was getting freaking carry's with him out there.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
And so we're like, why was that so hard?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
To figure out, and even last year at times I
feel like there were games where he would just kind
of disappear. But man, I don't think there's any denying.
And now I mean like you're just you're you're in trouble.
I mean he is priority number one, focal point number one,
the whole people. What have you seen differently the each
I know you were watching your up State center dominated.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Yan mull Ryan Uzell was freaking getting after it. Man.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Well, to me, literally it was part about him because
when you have center with range like that and you
want to run some outside zone that that to me
is a huge part of it. You better have a
center that can get on the move and make those
those blocks out in space. He's really really done a
nice job. So they've uh and I think Ledford is
the line coach there, gone right, Yeah, he's gone. He's
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at the Bears. So but this kid's been great and
he's been there for a while.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I came.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I think he was in the twenty one class twenty
one something like that, undrafted free agent, but which again
there's a long trend of late round undrafted free agent
centers that have a lot of success in this league
because usually they're a little undersized, maybe short armed, but
they're really really smart, tough and can move. So they've
done a really nice job up front. I was going
back to my Robinson report, and it's kind of it's
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nice when you like you said it. Maybe it's taken
a second for it all to come together, but this
is what he was three down back, Excellent sized vision,
burst inside runs, aggressive, depressed the hole before lowerness pads
and exploding through contact. Has a lateral quickness to make
defenders miss and tight quarters on outside runs. He has
the speed to capture the corner. He's very loose and
lusive out in space, passing game, fluid route running out
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of the backfield. Boasting excellent hands. He can contort and
adjust to poorly thrown balls. Does need to improve his
recognition and technique and pass pro though he's late to
set up an anchor, will get challenged too often. Overall,
Robinson has all the tools to quickly emerge as a
top tier running back in the NFL. So maybe took
account for it all tom together, but man, that is
a full toolkit, you know, for somebody to be at
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that position. I had him as a third ranked player
in that draft. To be a running back up there
like that, you have to justify it, Buck, because we
say it like to justify it, you better be dang good.
You can't be, you know, a good solid player. If
you're going to take a running back up there, he's
got to be different. He got to be different. And
this guy is different.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Yeah, he has to be different. I think he has
to be built. Any running back has to be built
in the mode of Christian McCaffrey and those guys, meaning
you have to be able. I have to be able
to envision you get in a thousand rushing yards and
maybe catching one hundred passes out of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Bijon.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
I saw the stat like he's the first to do
something for the first five games since Thurman Thomas. Having
played with Thrman Thomas, I remembered the engine that he
was for that Buffalo Bill's offense as a runner and
a receiver. That is a prerequisite now that if you
can be a top ten running back, you have to
be able to bring those things to the table.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And you're right.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
I don't know why I took Atlanta so long to
figure out how to unlock him in this offense. But
the offense that I saw last night was physical but
also fun, and it also allowed them to play to
the strems of Michael Pennance.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Can I throw just another? Are are we done on
a genre?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
I'm going to get to the bills here in a second,
so go ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
So I was, you know, it was kind of watching
that and like, man felt like Josh was holding onto
the ball for a while, and you know, and.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I look at this game and then so I went
back and looked at the pressure the twenty pressures in
this game.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Jama Walker led the team with five James Spearce had
you know, got.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
After it a little bit.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
I think the one thing that I see with Walker
is and I saw in those pressures is like they
were not immediate right, it was he was fighting his
way through a block or too tight end. You know,
was kind of on that side. He's in that wide
nine alignment almost all the time, and he's still a
little bit like Bowl in the China Shop with the
way he kind of gets after tries to get after
the quarterback where you can kind of see Pierces got
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a little bit more, a little bit more nuanced to
the way that he rushes a little bit more fluidity,
but it's kind of fun watching them both come off
opposite edges in some of those those past rushing situations.
His third pressure actually results in one of the interceptions
from Josh Allen and so watching all that kind of
made me wonder, like, was this one of those games
where you felt like the Bills were at a disadvantage
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not having an alpha number one?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So that's exactly where I was going. Actually, I'm pulling
some numbers on here because uh alone.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Because he just felt like Josh was hanging on to
it and like just you know, and that's why I
think that's why you ended up with such.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
A high pressure number.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
So I'm I'm just I'm looking at that game and
I'm looking at it through this prison. Let me write
this down here, Okay, So Buck tell me on this
and then follow up with your take on this. But
coming into the year, we've we've been saying for a
few years now to come out of the AFC, you
need one of these cyborg quarterbacks because of the gauntlet
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you're going to have to run. And then I look
at that game and I'm like, man, I know Buffalo
is still averaging twenty seven point eight points. But there's
just not a lot of firepower out there. And Kincaid
not playing I think, you know, hurt him big time
on that. But that didn't look like a high powered,
high flying offense. And I'm like, so, who are the
teams we talked about for the last several years. Baltimore, Buffalo, Cincinnati,
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Kansas City, Houston was going to emerge and get up
into that group. And you look up now and I'm like, man,
I don't know that this might be one of those
years where the complete team could come out of the AFC.
It doesn't necessarily have to be the team that can
go in and score that needs to score forty points
to get through some of these guys in the playoffs.
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It's a different looking AFC to the point where the NFC,
I'm like, gosh, we talked about the NFC was the
physical conference and the AFC as the quarterbacks and all
the high flying stuff. And I'm like, man, with the
offenses in the NFC, you might have to have more
high powered offense to get through the NFC playoffs, and
you would through the AFC playoffs.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
He has such a different thing.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
But I read I agree with you and I think
DJ you make great points about the Baltimore Ravens and
some of these other teams that look to invest in
the quarterback, and the quarterback is everything, and he is
supposed to be kind of the magical elixir to makes
the offense go. But you're now seeing that you need
to have personnel on the perimeter, you need to have
difference makers. And the best way for me to say it,
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I believe in the passing game, you got to have
one person that can command a double team so that
the rest.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Of the people can eat.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
And when I look at Buffalo, there's no one that
you would look at the scouting report and say, hey, guys,
we need to make sure we cloud, we bracket.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
We double, we do all these things.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
So then there's a void for other people and maybe
until they get that person, they're always going to be
kind of stagnant when it comes to the same thing.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
You can say for Kansas City, like everything is so
hard for all these.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Teams because it can't manufacture the big plays and sometimes
you just need a guy that my guy's better than
your guy, so I'm authorit to him and he's gonna
make a big play, and I look like this atic jeems.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I also couldn't help but think though, Rhett, that you know, Josh,
Josh has kind of gotten to the point in his
career now or win in another division, isn't It's not
going to move the needle.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Like they've got to get to a super Bowl. They've
got to do that.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
And I feel like there is a little bit of
he carried the ball six times in this game, but
in years past when it's not going great and you're
missing some pieces, this would be a fifteen fourteen, fifteen
carry Superman game for Josh Allen. I'm not going to
say he's pacing himself because I think he always playing
as hard as he can. But it's got to be
somewhere in the back of the mind man like, hey,
if this game is a playoff game, Josh Allen, I
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guarantee he's running the ball more than six times in
that type.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
I would also, you know, kind of look at the
some of the personnel construction there with Buffalo and say, like,
I don't know that they necessarily.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Were like, oh, we're good without an alpha dude.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
I would imagine that that's why they drafted Keyon Coleman
you know, to become that guy eventually, and it just
hasn't really happened yet.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
So you know, I think I think there's an understanding
there of what they what they need to win.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Now.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
I think they've done a really good job at you know,
being one of the best teams in the AFC and
in the league without that dominant player, because.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
James Cook was going off and he was fine in
this game.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
I mean, they just didn't give them the ball, you know,
a ton he ended up What seventeen carries are still
a fair amount, you know in today's league. But on
the other side, you got Bijon going for one to
seventy on nineteen.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
That's a Buffalo defense problem, or not exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
There's there's a big piece of that.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
It's a complimentary game and then you know you get
the two turnovers and then a somewhat you know, limited
possession game you know in the second half, Like that's.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
That's an issue.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yeah, because the Chiefs have dominated this conference for a
decade without a mean, I mean, Kelsey's a legit one,
but they don't have They have not done it with
a one on the outside. So yeah, the reason they've
been able to do that because the defense has been
sitting picked up. Yeah, and that Buffalo did not play
well defensively in that game. So anyways, by the way,
thumbs up or thumbs down on the double double headers
on Monday nights, I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
A lot to take in.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
It's a lot to take in. Yeah, my kids loved it.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
They were going back and forth with it, and they,
you know, an earlier one, so actually able to see
the completion of the first one.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
I got to get a bigger TV because I'm doing
like the u TV the two box.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, it's hard to see. I need the bigger TV
to be able to see all that stuff. All right,
let's take a break. We come back, we'll hit a
Coordinator of the Week, and then we'll also have our
rookie recap and rookie draft.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Man bad week for me. We'll get to that right
after this.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
All right, before we get to this disaster of a
rookie draft from last week, let's get to our coordinator
of the week. We've been doing this every week high
light and the guy in the coordinator position and role
that's done a really nice job. So you know what,
we like to call this our little hot or not segment,
because it's time for Hot or Not, brought to you
by with Sabbi Hot Cloud Storage, and it's going to
be Seahawks offensive coordinator Clint Kubiak who brings home the title.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
This week, they had a nice win. Bucky was there
the twenty.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
To twelve JSM eight catches for a bucks sixty two,
Sam Donald two ninety five, two touchdowns, no pick, just
a real efficient, clean game. Sam Donald is first in
EPA per play first and yards per attempt first and
turnover worthy play percentage on the season. JSN as most
receiving yards for six games in Seahawks history, So they
are playing excellent on the offensive side of the ball.
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To go back into the Kubiak file, twenty ten, he's
a grad assistant at A and M, where his dad
had played. In twenty twelve, he's the offensive quality control
coach there at A and M before joining the Vikings
in thirteen and fourteen, again a quality control gig. Goes
to the University Kansas, gets a position room as a
receiver coach, then to the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Is an offensive.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Assistant sixteen to eighteen, the Vikings quarterback coach nineteen to
twenty before vaulting to be the coordinator there in twenty one,
then back to the Broncos in twenty two, quarterback coach,
passing game coordinator, Niners passing game coordinator in twenty three
with McVeigh offensive coordinator, last year with the Saints before
they you know, that whole thing changed over and then
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Uh and then gets the job as the O se
Uh with the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
I would just be curious as someone who is around
and UH and playing during the Mike Shanahan era. UH
and obviously his dad, Kerry Kubiak comes right underneath him
as a protege. How how similar does this look to
those offenses and what they were doing back then.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
DJ's funny when you see the Shanahans, the descendants of
the Santahan tree, but particularly the Suns Kyle Shanahan and
then Clint Kubiak, it's like.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Watching the same play. You almost can call them, you know,
so like at.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
The end of the game, then Kubiak downs up this
bootleg throwback that is a staple Rich.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
You know from watching the Houston Texans for years.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
They send everybody to one sat on deep post routes
and angles and you'll see the tight end kind of
sneak behind the line and then out the back door
and they hit him down this like these things that
you're like.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
That's a staple, that's a QBAC staple.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
They're doing it. But what I can tell you that
Clint Kubiak is doing.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Is there's plays and there's players, and he understands how
to make sure that, Hey, I'm gonna get the ball
to my best players, and then there's a time.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Where I'm gonna give you a schematic winner and he
does that really well. JSN.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
There was a time DJA every completion that Sam Donald had,
Jackson Smith and Jig it was like, I feel like
I'm playing Madden.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I'm just my guy on the outside has been you.
I'm just gonna throw the ball to him. And they're
doing that.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Then the second half they come out right away Cooper Cup,
Cooper Cup big plays. So look it's too simple, better
with some exotic twist, but they are maximized the talents
of their players while every now and then makes it
in a schematic play that really makes it hard.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
For the defense to defend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been impressive.
It's been impressed with what he's done there. They don't
even got the run game early cranked up yet, so
I think that's the last little missing piece, right.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
It also just helps when your quarterback is just dropping
absolute dimes on big play throws like uh that layer
throw in the JSND Crosser Buck in the second quarter.
The deep shot was on the money as Jayson just
ran Bot. By the way, the old Tyson Campbell for
Greg Newsom trade. It's not there yet for either guy, and.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
We we hit on that yesday. Did not go well
for either either member of that as you know, Man.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
He had the anticipation throw on the Cooper Cup touchdown
was just just fantastic anticipation. The pace on it was
perfect placement. And then maybe the dagger is that play
action in the fourth quarter where he's got two dudes
in his face. Almost immediately Sam kind of side steps
and then launches the deep bald a j barner. That
kind of seals a.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Little wind back, little wind back round. Yeah, great buck rtt.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I'm remember when we we launched uh trucks and trailers
and we talked about that, so that was that was
kind of a staple of the program. I've got a
new phrase that I've been using, and I want to
I'm hoping it's gonna catch on because and first of all,
Sam Donald has transitioned from a trailer to a truck
with the way that he's played, he's become really really
good player. But this is my next phrase because I
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got it when I was watching Sam earlier this year
and I said, you got to trust your eyes and
trust your guys. Like he you trust your eyes to
see the picture of the defense. So I trust where
I know where they're going to be, and then I
trust my guys that they're seeing the same picture and
they're going to be where they need to be. And
when you can trust your eyes and your guys, the
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ball comes out on time. That's when you get anticipation,
and that's when you get big plays because there's no
there's no hesitation there. So I want to make this stick,
but I need some other people start adopting it and
using it.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
I will for sure make that stick because that perfectly describes,
you know, this year's Heisman Trophy winner, Fernando Mendoza and
one of the favorites for the Blatnikoff and Elijah Surat
like those back shoulders.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
And Sam page. Yeah, trust your.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Eyes, trust your guys, and so I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Love.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
So Buck, you just got to weave that in. Get
that woven into the broadcast for the Jags this week. Yeah, okay,
we'll see we can, uh As and I guys see if.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
We can make your work to do that. Yeah, see
he needs to improve on that in that in that
area there and get to the Rookie drafts. Hold on.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
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that if you have interest in this stuff. All right,
Rookie draft time. Looking back to last week, just a
despicable effort. I mean, Bucky, you got two points, which
normally I would say you got to be better. But
I got one point, which is just an embarrassment to
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my friends and my family, and Rhett got nine points.
Rhett had the top top top guys Hee had Gent
was the top scorer of the running backs tm max
top score among the receivers. Tyler Warren again h was
a top among the tight ends. So Jet so reck
it's nine points.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Rhet is now passed me.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
He's at twenty seven. I'm at twenty six week he's
at nineteen. But Buck, you just saw based off that,
I mean, one good week and you're in first place.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
So I mean, I mean, what a week for this guy?
I mean, just go buy a lottery ticket.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Can I just give you one? One final piece on
that one saw?
Speaker 5 (37:26):
I'm sitting at the airport watching the game, right it goes,
We get the Isaiah Jones picks off the last Dante
More pass and it's like, it's clear Indiana's going to win.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I'm not. I'm telling you not.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
Ten seconds later, a waiting on the delayed flight, I
get the notification on the phone, Oh you your seat
is now one.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Hey you got what a week?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
What a week?
Speaker 4 (37:46):
That's a week all right for the boys. Student of
the Month by the way. I mean, it's just.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Two goals with the soccer, first multiple game of his career.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
So all right, well, thankfully I get the first pick
I'm taking. You're not having him anymore. I'm sick of that.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I'll go and I'm gonna watch him because I got
the Chargers playing against the Colts.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
But I'll go Tyler second pick, who's on back.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
I just want to make sure like we have so okay, cool, cool,
that's good. Okay, So I'm gonna go with ston Jens.
I'm gonna take I'm gonna take him. Make sure we
get him off the board.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
I got back to back to your boys, So I'm
gonna go, uh because Buka is probably out right, so
I'm gonna go ted Roa McMillan once again. By the way,
you know who's kind of creeping up in the rookie
receiving category is Matthew Bowling right now.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
We talked about him yesterday. His three games of row,
he's had to catch over thirty yards. So he's giving
him a big play every single year.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Not a ton of receptions like volume there, but yeah,
they're making it. He's making them count.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
That's for sure.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
And then I'm going camps Kataboo, baby, Like, there's just
no way I'm not getting cam van uh in the lineup.
So those are my two.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Okay, so who was the first one?
Speaker 5 (38:54):
You do?
Speaker 1 (38:54):
You took t Mac and Camp Scataboo.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
It's really difficult because there's no tight ends out there.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Really, I mean's fine.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
He's fine.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
I can't Mason Taylor, he can't get a ball because
the quarterback he cost me, he costs me.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I'm sitting here.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
I mean, I guess I'm gonna go with.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Maybe coaching change helps Gunner Helm you know who knows.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Nah, I guess I'm gonna have to go with Fanning
against since I have to have it a tight end,
like come on, Harrold, let's see.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
If Yeah, all right, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
I'm gonna say this is a Trevon Henderson week, he's
starting run. I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Henderson. But
I don't I know that they play the Tennessee Titans,
is what I know.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
And then receiver wise, god, uh, you know Ido Manner
has been targeted a ton just looking at these numbers.
Thirty five targets, but only seven seventeen catches a those
thirty five targets.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Good night.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yeah, I don't think I have any choice here. I'm
gonna I'm gonna go with my Green Bay Packer, my
top receiver in the draft last year.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Mad There you go, all right, man to go to
number zero, I guess I'm gonna steap with the home team.
I'm gonna try to go. At some point, Travis has
to pop.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah, you're going back to that well until you freaking
get some water from it. I got I got to
get something, like.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I got to get something from Travis on overseas. Maybe
you can do something for.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Me, Yeah, I mean, like the yards per catch on
this one, Like that's that's the thing that surprises me.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
It's off five yard in rows like they haven't been.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
When they try and get him down the field, something
and evily happens, like a penalty or something like that
that brings it back.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
All right, guys, So since you stole Warren from me,
who is very disappointed about having the changes, We're.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Gonna go with Gadson. Let's go with Gatson, get them
get in the mix.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Come on the fumble. The fumble got me.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
It's seven catches last week.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Interesting, we're playing the Colts now, you know, I shoot,
you bullied me into it. Let's do it. Let's have
some fun with Gatson.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
His whole family was sitting right in front of us.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Nice because he's the Florida So you had like thirty
people with the gats and jerseys, and like, he catches
the first ball and you see him all come up
and then he fumbled and they all sat right back down.
And then and then he ended up following that up
with a really productive day. And you know, so we'll
see I think Quentin Johnson not playing to create some
more opportunities and targets. But he might have beat out
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Tyler Conklin the way he's that's the way he showed
up in that game.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
So there we go.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
There you have it.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
There's a rookie draft.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
We have got to step our game up. Man.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
I'll tell you what, Buck, if you get if you
beat RHTT this week, I'm going to pitch in some
money and buy you a light for your office.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
That's what I have.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
No, no, no, I have a light, DJ.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
But what I'm trying not to do is I'm trying
not to have like the spooky thing. So my office
window is that. So I didn't want the shadow of
that if I put on the big light, but put
on the big light, then it casts it makes my
face dark on the front end. And so to day
is one of the rare day days that it rains
in LA And so sitting in front of a window
isn't playing to the strengths of yeah my studio.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
No, I just thought you were playing hide and seek.
I don't know what's going on there, man.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
You know, but you can say it with me. Let's
go Dodgers. I mean, if I have some thundersticks. If
I have some thundersticks, we can have some thundersticks. Let's
go Dodger.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
I love how they make it hard on themselves. Man,
our guy, Dave Roberts, go ahead and just throw Snell
out there, only to take eight more pitches.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
He finished that game up. Nobody was touching him.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
One hitter through eight innings, right at like one hundred pitches,
and then he goes to the bullpen and they almost
lost the game for him.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Stinks. I hate them so much, all right, let's uh wrap.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
You val used to be such a hater in this way.
If you drive a little love, Dan. If you try
a little love, it may turn for you if you
were just trying to love them.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
The fact that Bucky was trying to justify the financial
resources of the Milwaukee Milwaukee Brewers again, Los Angeles Dodge.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Oh my god, you guys disgusting.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
What a dumb board. I mean, come on, no, let's
get a salary cap in Naked Fair. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
All right, congrats again on the Hoosiers red on a
positive note, Uh we will, We'll be back.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
We'll see you guys there this week. Appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
It
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up, everybody.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Welcome to Move the Sticks, DJ Bucky and I'm very happy, smiling.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Couldn't wait to get on the show r At Lewis today.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
I mean a little.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Anymore.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Well, there should be a special delivery arriving. I switch.
I'll switch on the whole episode next week.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
And by the way, I'm just gonna see something because
we're gonna let Rhett Uh celebrate Indiana and we'll talk
about that game and and how coach Signetti's got them rocking.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
Buck I had. I was like, man, I got up
this morning, have.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
My breakfast and I just prayed, Lord give me something
from app State that I have to fight fire with fire.
And I went through the and we'll get to the game.
But I went to the b Jon Robinson explosive runs.
I'm my gosh, dang, this center from from the Falcons
is killing people and I'm like, looked it up. Oh,
app State guy, app State got twenty. So I'm gonna
have to fight fire with fire once we get to that,
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to that portion of it. But right, did you get
a chance because you're doing a game, did you get
a chance to even watch that one.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
Yeah, I was coming back from the game. Was I
at Michigan State UCLA game and we got to start
talking to Nico again after these last couple of weeks.
But we'll get we'll get there. Yeah, it's just so
I listened to the first hour in the car and
the way to Detroit to fly out, and then our
flight got delayed by two hours, so I actually just
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sat in the in the airport was able to watch
the whole rest of the game, which.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Was which was excellent.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
So it was it was super cool, and you know
it's people have asked me, you know, all the time
since that night, like how's it feel? I was like,
I don't know, how do you describe something we've never
felt before?
Speaker 1 (01:51):
I don't know in the country.
Speaker 5 (01:53):
Yeah, I know, man, But I think it was a
Bucky and I were talking a little bit before you
popped on. It was a coach clinic from SIGNETI and
as coordinators, and Dan.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Lanning said as much. I thought. By the way that
was it was teach tape.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
The way that Dan Lanning handled that postgame press conference afterwards,
I mean he laid it out. He was like they
have more hats at the point of attack on defense,
quarterback couldn't deal with the pressure, you know. Offensively, they
ran the ball down our throats when they had to.
I mean like he was kind of going down the
whole thing. And for that guy, who I consider, you know,
the best coach in college football, among the best coaches
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in college footballs put it that way today. For him
to come out and say that, I think, to me,
spoke volumes about what Siga's done at IU. The coordinator
consistency that they have and their player evaluation model is
incredible because they get the most out of everybody that's
out there.
Speaker 6 (02:46):
You know, DJ before we came on right now, we're
talking about like Signetti and like fifteen to seventeen transfers
came in, and how Signetti is all about production over projection.
And I was telling him in some scouting circles that
is the way that you go up about it, like
you want to see the production, the production over time
multiple years. And those guys are the ones that tendn't
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to play well no matter what level they're at, Like
they were super productive in high school, college, They're going
to be productive in the pros and it's so interesting
where we end this. I would say this crossroads where
NFL football meets college football at the collegiate level, where
you're having these scouting philosophies and those things. And it's
just interesting that Signetti has been able to scale up.
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He's followed that philosophy. The philosophy has been successful for
him at every stop along the way. And I just
wonder how many others operate with a similar mindset when
it comes to.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Production over product projection.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
I want to ask you guys, because I got a
chance to see a little bit of this game. I'm
actually getting my drive later this week, so I'm actually
starting the draft stuff a little bit earlier this year,
so I'm excited about that. But I was going through
a bunch of the NFL games and uh, and the
last one that I went through was the Seattle game. Uh,
your game, Buck Seattle Jacksonville. I was regoing rewatching that
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this morning, watching their defense, and I had I wrote
a little note down and I feel like I've seen
this with a lot of the good defenses, and I'm curious,
what if you would say this is how Indiana's been
playing or doing what they're doing, because I just wrote down, Man,
these good defenses, I wrote, the littles tackle and the
bigs run. Like when you see you see the big
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guys sprinting down the field making tackles, when you see
them getting out to the perimeter on all these screens
and things and and and just playing with the motor
and effort and just running. You see the big guys running,
and then you see the corners sticking their face in
the fan and being physical and making tackles. I'm like,
when you got your little guys playing big and your
big guys can play little, that's a that's a good
combination to have.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Man, I'm just curious on Indiana what they're doing defensively.
What is it?
Speaker 5 (04:46):
So one, it's it's havoc right, and that is that's
the biggest thing, so like for them, the angles that
they create with the freedom that their defensive linemen have
to get up the field, and then the way the
awareness and IQ of the second level players to make
them right is the biggest thing that.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
They have going right now.
Speaker 5 (05:07):
They are also I would say I haven't done the
metrics on this, but I would go back and look,
they are using three linebackers, probably more than almost anybody in.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
The lost art.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Now it is a lost art. Everyone's four to two five. Now,
like some guys are gonna good you know, three three, Yeah, sure,
but they are.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
They'll go four down with the three backers, and it's
their best personnel grouping. It's their best personnel period, right,
So find your ways to get your best players on
the field. And Brian Haynes is I'm telling you he's
the best defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
In the country right now.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Is it a real linebacker though, because like the three
three five, usually.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
A real backer that's down in there, real backer like
six two, two hundred and thirty five pounds, two hundred
thirty pound dudes that are that are in there. And well,
one of them is an all Big ten player, like
he's you know, middle backer, is really really good, really
really instinctive and has been in that system for five years.
So that certainly helps to the other two guys are
young dudes that have just continued.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I mean, like the trend line is way out.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
There, so I honestly, I think that's that's a big
piece of it.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
So good you know, read this fun You talked about
them having like three linebackers on the field. But so
many people talk about get your best eleven on the
field and then let the personnel dictate what you do
from a sneumatic standpoint, and it sounds like Indiana, that's
exactly what's happening.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
And then at a time where no one operates like that.
Speaker 6 (06:26):
The last team that I can remember operating like that
extensively was like Michigan State when Nardoozie was there and
they were playing the old base four three cover flour linebackers. Yeah,
I mean that that's the last team that I can
think of operating like that at a full time till
and give them credit man Zig when everyone else is ag.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Yeah, that was going back to the old USC like
Pete Carroll and Cushing and Matthews. I had all three
of those big linebackers out there.
Speaker 5 (06:56):
The other thing, though, that's important to note here again
going back to the the evaluation is I mean, somebody
had it out on social media, you know the talent right,
Organ's like top five in the country in talent by
ratings and all of those metrics.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Indiana was like seventy fifth.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Yeah, it's just like, what is your evaluation of the player,
Like Keim, this dude went right now, look, could Indiana
I've gotten those players at order get probably not right.
So I mean it's not like they were trying to,
you know, they couldn't. They decided to go with the
three star instead. But they make the most of who
they have, I think better than anybody.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
In the country.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I was talking to someone who was working at a
blue blood This is Kay, maybe a month ago, and
he was telling me a story about the challenges of recruiting.
Like everybody thinks about the advantages of recruiting in a
blue blood, he was telling me the challenges of recruiting
in a blue blood.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Because he said, I'll give you an example.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
He said, we had a five star kid committed, we loved,
was a great player, and then at the last second,
the five star goes somewhere else. So our fan base
is freaking out. Well, we think the next best player
is player B, who's a three star kid. But there's
another five star kid that likes us, that's gonna get
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the fans off our tail and it's going to be like, oh,
you're doing a great job all this kind of stuff.
So we end up taking a five star that we
didn't even have evaluated higher than the three Star and
that well, that guy's no, the's no longer there. That
whole regime at that blue Blood is gone. But he
was saying, like, that's one of the things I don't
think people think about of you're trying to win. It's
like trying to win the press conference. You know, he said,
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we're going to hire the coach who's going to win
the press Come, just hire the best coach, Like, don't
forget about the press conference.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Exactly exactly.
Speaker 6 (08:39):
But there's a lot of pressure when it comes to that,
right because so many people are really dialed into the
recruiting stuff and everyone wants to be able to win
on signing day. You want to see that you have
a top twenty five class, top fifteen, and people want
to say that you stop.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
You know, you're stacking big class.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
It's still the norm, though, Buck, Like, like we're talking
Indiana's the exception. The norm is the teams that in
the National Champion every are usually one of the top
five most talented teams.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Yeah, so it kind of it's tough. It defies, it
defies everything.
Speaker 5 (09:10):
Might give you the old don't cry for me Argentina
right there on the Blue Blood. The challenges of recruiting
a blue blood.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
But when the guy's no longer there, he's gonna interviewed
as a challenge for sure. But it's interesting and they
found because like I, we look at baseball, you know,
and that's why you can have a team the behemoths
with the huge payroll, the Dodgers that can probably win
the World Series, but you have the Brewers who have
no money. Because you're trying to find money.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
It must spend it for money.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
Spend the money, you spend the money.
Speaker 4 (09:41):
Fuck fuck they don't give me on.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
A baseball The Dodgers TV deal brings in over three
hundred million dollars a year. The Padres don't even have
a TV deal. I bet you the Brewers aren't making
fifty million off of that.
Speaker 4 (09:57):
So no.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
But what I'm saying is they've found, like in Indiana,
who doesn't have the ability to go grab all these premier,
premier players paying top dollar in terms of the recruits
side of things, They found an inefficiency in the market.
They ah, these players are undervalued. They're really really good
football players, but they're undervalued. So we can win with that.
So it's just figuring out a way to make it work.
Who do they have this week? By the way, what
what does Indiana have left on the schedule.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
It's so we got home consecutive home games against Michigan State,
who's down bad right now, at U c l A,
who is trending up. So that'll be an interesting game.
And then the last like real test is at Penn State.
And look, say what you want about where they're at.
They're still really talented. And I know Alur's out, but
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the kid Grumpmeyer is actually he's an athlete and he
could run. And I mean, I think they'll get a
boost initially, as they always do. If that offensive line
those starts playing to their capabilities, it'll be, It'll be,
it'll be. It'll still be a really tough test.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Go and transfer and opt out they got.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
You're playing a JB.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
You're playing a JVT byby pulling people out in the stands.
Maybe like long dream, it'd be like.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
A did a sudden that on his draft resume? Want
that on his draft resume? I don't know, dude.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
All I know is all I know is if you'd
have told little little ten year old me, Keith Smart
hit that jumper that I used football team might win
a national championship before their basketball team went another one.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
I don't know that I would.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
Have got yeah a long time ago.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Yeah, it's been a minute, all right, congrats Rat, good
lucky he was the rest of the way. Let's get
to the Monday Niners double double header last night, uh buck,
Let's start with the quarterback matchup. Everybody was going to
be talking about our buddy. Ryan Rascilla had a great
tweet after the game, the ultimate troll tweet. He's like, well,
now that's been decided, you know, between Daniels Caleb Williams.
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But hey, they got to turn over they needed late.
The Bears after you know, settling for a lot of
field goals. Jake Moody came through at the end, they
got down the field. Deandres s Fifth had a heck
of a game. But the Bears go on the road.
They got a big win.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Man. They're three and two right now.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, big win.
Speaker 6 (12:08):
Look, man, I think anytime you have an opportunity to
see young guys square up, in particularly the quarterbacks, they
give us opportunity to revisit those reports, the good, the bad,
and the ugly and all those things that are in.
Speaker 4 (12:17):
Those But I thought it was really solid in.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Terms of Kayleb Williams being the number one, seeing them
play with controls, seeing them play in front of the
home fans, meaning where he grew up in the DMV,
seeing him stand out and having to make plays and
lead drives and do those things.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
It was just a solid overall effort.
Speaker 6 (12:34):
And I think from the first time that we saw
him in Ben Johnson's offense, going all the way back
to the preseason to where he is now, I think
he has made some strides and he's on track to
be a four thousand yard passer, and the Bears aren't
used to having four thousand yard passers. So I would
say things are trending up for the Bears and for
the Commanders. I think Jaydon Daniels continues to be what
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he's always been. I think he can dial it up
a few different ways. If you're both franchises, you're probably
very please with your QB one that you have entrance
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
Yeah, So in terms of quarterbacks, I just thought this
was interesting.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
I was actually looking this up when I was kind
of digging in on our coordinator of the week, which
we'll get to here in just a little bit. But
I was looking at you know, who's holding on to
the ball alongest right now in the league. Caleb's still
way up there. He's still at over you know, almost
three point two second.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Now do you like that stat?
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I hate that.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I don't know of it.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
But here's my question.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
If you're on time, if you have twenty five throws
and you're on time for twenty four of them and
the twenty fifth it's third and twenty one, and they
rush three guys and you scramble around for ten seconds.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
It like I hate that that. That's been used a lot.
Speaker 5 (13:45):
It has been used a lot, But I would say
one way in which it does illustrate some issues is,
you know, the only guy who's held it longer is
justin Fields, And I think that is probably a more
accurate description of like what's going on there than it
is necessarily with ALM, because you could see it like
Field is just like he's hanging on to it. Like
that's one where you can predict, man who's gonna be
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up there at the top.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
Field's gonna be up there at the top.
Speaker 5 (14:09):
Anyway, Besides the point, I was kind of curious because
you know, I keep dominating in the in the rookie
draft with Tyler Warren, and so I was like, why
can't I get my guys, you know, just another option,
Why can't I get Colston Lovelin going here. I don't
know that it's necessarily a negative at this point, but
I did think it was interesting. I went back and
watched all his reps in the in the past game here.
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I mean there's there's maybe like two or three where
he is even in the field of vision, and I
just don't know if that is a trust factor, if
that is a game plan factor, if that is a
you know, just not there yet sort of situation. But
there are times where he is open, and it's just
is not a part of the either the progression the field,
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Like it just wasn't the read. There's a bunch of different,
bunch of different, you know, pieces to this thing, and
you know, maybe you'll come on here at some point.
But I also think it has to do with, you know,
Roman Duns is really dang good. DJ Moores are you know,
really dang good, and so you know, they've got options.
It's not like they're really struggling and they're just choosing
not to use him. But I did think that was
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kind of interesting from a rookie standpoint. We just haven't
seen that to whereas the Colts are scheming it up
for Tyler. Warren left it right, you know, so I
thought that was kind of intriguing.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
Can I can I defend defend Caleb on that one thing?
Just real quick.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yeah, he's taken ten sacks this year, Justin Fields took
nine on Sunday, So I would not put him in
the same category.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
And I'm saying that's what I'm saying, what he's.
Speaker 4 (15:37):
Doing, that's what.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
No, I'm not I'm not calling Caleb out on that.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
I'm just saying, like, I just thought it was kind
of interesting that he's having more success this year and
it's kind of similar to the numbers.
Speaker 4 (15:45):
That it was.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
I just think we got to find like there's some
some of these numbers where I'm like, that's useful, like
that that's a useful number. But to me, it's got
to be married up properly with how like what's his
on time throw percentage, you know, based off of the
rush and the route like and having you know, look
at that and then be okay, yeah, that's you get
an outlier here versus you know, in a certain situation
that can skew the numbers, so to speak. But I
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do think he's doing a better job, and I think
they've done a better job of baking it in. In
other words, there are a lot of creative screens and
he's gotten better. He's gotten better at that. There's different
types of screens when you're thinking about like kind of
the up and down screen.
Speaker 4 (16:23):
Where you talk about it's almost like you're just trying
to get out of the jar.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, a little fade away, get the cookie out of
the cookie jar. And then there's also some of these
quick inside screens where it's just real quick, you get
the tight end and it's just a nice, quick, firm
ball and it's you know, on him, so we can go.
Caleb's gotten a lot better. That was not a great
strength of his. He's gotten a lot better at that stuff.
And Ben Johnson continues to roll those out and they
got some of their bigger pass plays on quick hitters
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like that where they got some run after catch. He's
still missing, you know, missfiring on a couple intermediate throws
where I almost feel like it's he's overthrowing, like he's
just trying to gass it up, just take a little off,
you know, and then a terrible out of a terrible
offensive PI call that cost him a touchdown. But he's playing.
He's playing pretty efficiently. That game was about protecting the
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football buck and you know, Jay and Daniels, I thought
was probably a little more pinpoint with how he threw
the football, but you had the turnovers and that was
the whole game.
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (17:15):
Look, it comes down to us a bigger deciding factor
in ball. You turn it over, you lose games. And
in looking at both of the quarterbacks, you're right in
terms of being dialed in. Jaye Dames is so doubted
in terms of where the ball comes out, the placement,
the way he consistently hissed the strike zone.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
So I'm really impressed with those guys.
Speaker 6 (17:32):
And it's unfortunate that Drake May didn't play on Monday
night so we could have the big discussion that everyone
wants to have because people are talking about him and
his greatness, his ex first placed by the way. I mean,
there's a lot of stuff at a time where we
talk about the league having a quarterback problem. It doesn't
seem like that class had a lot of problems when
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it comes to finding Prinstance's quarterback because you go those
three bow knicks.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
I mean.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Time, we'll get to that.
Speaker 6 (18:04):
Yeah, I mean that class looks like that class was
supposed to look given where they were drafted.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
Uh no, it was Uh, it was good to see
both those guys. They're gonna be fine. I think you're
seeing them. You know everything that they can do and
how they can expand your offense. So I'm excited for
for both those teams going forward. Haven't seen Washington person
the week before. I'm not worried about them long term
at all.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Let's get to that other game. Rat you mentioned it.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
Uh, give me a bajeonjon bajehan.
Speaker 4 (18:39):
I gotta say that a million times before I get
it right. Do you remember when we were we were.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
All together doing path and uh it was a recap,
it was a path to the draft after the draft,
and then you said the question to me was who
will be who will have a better career? Uh you said, uh,
Gibbs or and before you could say Jean, it might
have been Beijeon at that time. So I immediately said, oh, Jean,
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that's not even I love Gibbs, gives a good player
he's a good player, but like to me, and then
after the first year, I was like, oh man, somebody
ever looks up that clip with the way Gibbs was rolling,
I was like, Okay, that could be a bad look
for your guy out there. And then now you look
up and I'm like, Okay, I'm a little comfortable with
Gibbs has been great, But what what what Robinson can
do all the way across the board. He's the best.
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He's the best running back in football right now. So unbelievable.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
Yeah, go ahead, Buck, because I have one one thought
on it.
Speaker 5 (19:34):
I'd be curious that I'd compose a question to you
based on what you guys have seen, But go ahead, Buck.
Speaker 6 (19:38):
No, look, I think last night was the showcase of
everything that Jon Robinson offers. You're talking about the eighty
one yard run on the inside zone and it's like
an outside zone, but it's the patience that he displays
kind of weaving through and the cut that he made DJ.
It's one of those that you can't even teach how
to do that patient slip slide and get out and
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then get down the paint. And to me, watching the
Falcons kind of get into this pistol offense where they
have a downhill running game and they're using him in
Tyler this year, and Bijon goes for like one hundred
and seventy hundred and eighty yards and he catches the
ball out the backfield and he does everything that a
new School RB one is supposed to do. He is
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as advertised, And there's a lot of conversation and consternation
about taking a running back high, but if you're going
to take one, they need to have the super powers
that Robinson has because this dude is literally a two
to three phase playmaker that can do it in so
many different ways.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
Okay, so let me ask you guys this, because don't
you feel like and this is what So they drafted
Bijon that was the last year with Arthur.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Smith twenty three man.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
Yeah, okay, I felt like, you know, maybe maybe it
did take a minute, but it felt like you would
see those in those explosive plays where he's making those
cuts and you're like, and then he ends the game
with sixty five yards for seventy yards.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Because Tyler Algier was getting freaking carry's with him out there.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
And so we're like, why was that so hard?
Speaker 5 (21:08):
To figure out, and even last year at times I
feel like there were games where he would just kind
of disappear. But man, I don't think there's any denying.
And now I mean like you're just you're you're in trouble.
I mean he is priority number one, focal point number one,
the whole people. What have you seen differently the each
I know you were watching your up State center dominated.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
Yan mull Ryan Uzell was freaking getting after it. Man.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Well, to me, literally it was part about him because
when you have center with range like that and you
want to run some outside zone that that to me
is a huge part of it. You better have a
center that can get on the move and make those
those blocks out in space. He's really really done a
nice job. So they've uh and I think Ledford is
the line coach there, gone right, Yeah, he's gone. He's
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at the Bears. So but this kid's been great and
he's been there for a while.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
I came.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
I think he was in the twenty one class twenty
one something like that, undrafted free agent, but which again
there's a long trend of late round undrafted free agent
centers that have a lot of success in this league
because usually they're a little undersized, maybe short armed, but
they're really really smart, tough and can move. So they've
done a really nice job up front. I was going
back to my Robinson report, and it's kind of it's
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nice when you like you said it. Maybe it's taken
a second for it all to come together, but this
is what he was three down back, Excellent sized vision,
burst inside runs, aggressive, depressed the hole before lowerness pads
and exploding through contact. Has a lateral quickness to make
defenders miss and tight quarters on outside runs. He has
the speed to capture the corner. He's very loose and
lusive out in space, passing game, fluid route running out
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of the backfield. Boasting excellent hands. He can contort and
adjust to poorly thrown balls. Does need to improve his
recognition and technique and pass pro though he's late to
set up an anchor, will get challenged too often. Overall,
Robinson has all the tools to quickly emerge as a
top tier running back in the NFL. So maybe took
account for it all tom together, but man, that is
a full toolkit, you know, for somebody to be at
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that position. I had him as a third ranked player
in that draft. To be a running back up there
like that, you have to justify it, Buck, because we
say it like to justify it, you better be dang good.
You can't be, you know, a good solid player. If
you're going to take a running back up there, he's
got to be different. He got to be different. And
this guy is different.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Yeah, he has to be different. I think he has
to be built. Any running back has to be built
in the mode of Christian McCaffrey and those guys, meaning
you have to be able. I have to be able
to envision you get in a thousand rushing yards and
maybe catching one hundred passes out of the backfield.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Bijon.
Speaker 6 (23:37):
I saw the stat like he's the first to do
something for the first five games since Thurman Thomas. Having
played with Thrman Thomas, I remembered the engine that he
was for that Buffalo Bill's offense as a runner and
a receiver. That is a prerequisite now that if you
can be a top ten running back, you have to
be able to bring those things to the table.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
And you're right.
Speaker 6 (23:55):
I don't know why I took Atlanta so long to
figure out how to unlock him in this offense. But
the offense that I saw last night was physical but
also fun, and it also allowed them to play to
the strems of Michael Pennance.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
Can I throw just another? Are are we done on
a genre?
Speaker 4 (24:14):
I'm going to get to the bills here in a second,
so go ahead.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
So I was, you know, it was kind of watching
that and like, man felt like Josh was holding onto
the ball for a while, and you know, and.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I look at this game and then so I went
back and looked at the pressure the twenty pressures in
this game.
Speaker 5 (24:31):
Jama Walker led the team with five James Spearce had
you know, got.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
After it a little bit.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
I think the one thing that I see with Walker
is and I saw in those pressures is like they
were not immediate right, it was he was fighting his
way through a block or too tight end. You know,
was kind of on that side. He's in that wide
nine alignment almost all the time, and he's still a
little bit like Bowl in the China Shop with the
way he kind of gets after tries to get after
the quarterback where you can kind of see Pierces got
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a little bit more, a little bit more nuanced to
the way that he rushes a little bit more fluidity,
but it's kind of fun watching them both come off
opposite edges in some of those those past rushing situations.
His third pressure actually results in one of the interceptions
from Josh Allen and so watching all that kind of
made me wonder, like, was this one of those games
where you felt like the Bills were at a disadvantage
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not having an alpha number one?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So that's exactly where I was going. Actually, I'm pulling
some numbers on here because uh alone.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
Because he just felt like Josh was hanging on to
it and like just you know, and that's why I
think that's why you ended up with such.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
A high pressure number.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
So I'm I'm just I'm looking at that game and
I'm looking at it through this prison. Let me write
this down here, Okay, So Buck tell me on this
and then follow up with your take on this. But
coming into the year, we've we've been saying for a
few years now to come out of the AFC, you
need one of these cyborg quarterbacks because of the gauntlet
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you're going to have to run. And then I look
at that game and I'm like, man, I know Buffalo
is still averaging twenty seven point eight points. But there's
just not a lot of firepower out there. And Kincaid
not playing I think, you know, hurt him big time
on that. But that didn't look like a high powered,
high flying offense. And I'm like, so, who are the
teams we talked about for the last several years. Baltimore, Buffalo, Cincinnati,
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Kansas City, Houston was going to emerge and get up
into that group. And you look up now and I'm like, man,
I don't know that this might be one of those
years where the complete team could come out of the AFC.
It doesn't necessarily have to be the team that can
go in and score that needs to score forty points
to get through some of these guys in the playoffs.
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It's a different looking AFC to the point where the NFC,
I'm like, gosh, we talked about the NFC was the
physical conference and the AFC as the quarterbacks and all
the high flying stuff. And I'm like, man, with the
offenses in the NFC, you might have to have more
high powered offense to get through the NFC playoffs, and
you would through the AFC playoffs.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
He has such a different thing.
Speaker 6 (27:02):
But I read I agree with you and I think
DJ you make great points about the Baltimore Ravens and
some of these other teams that look to invest in
the quarterback, and the quarterback is everything, and he is
supposed to be kind of the magical elixir to makes
the offense go. But you're now seeing that you need
to have personnel on the perimeter, you need to have
difference makers. And the best way for me to say it,
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I believe in the passing game, you got to have
one person that can command a double team so that
the rest.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
Of the people can eat.
Speaker 6 (27:29):
And when I look at Buffalo, there's no one that
you would look at the scouting report and say, hey, guys,
we need to make sure we cloud, we bracket.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
We double, we do all these things.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
So then there's a void for other people and maybe
until they get that person, they're always going to be
kind of stagnant when it comes to the same thing.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
You can say for Kansas City, like everything is so
hard for all these.
Speaker 6 (27:50):
Teams because it can't manufacture the big plays and sometimes
you just need a guy that my guy's better than
your guy, so I'm authorit to him and he's gonna
make a big play, and I look like this atic jeems.
Speaker 3 (28:01):
I also couldn't help but think though, Rhett, that you know, Josh,
Josh has kind of gotten to the point in his
career now or win in another division, isn't It's not
going to move the needle.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
Like they've got to get to a super Bowl. They've
got to do that.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
And I feel like there is a little bit of
he carried the ball six times in this game, but
in years past when it's not going great and you're
missing some pieces, this would be a fifteen fourteen, fifteen
carry Superman game for Josh Allen. I'm not going to
say he's pacing himself because I think he always playing
as hard as he can. But it's got to be
somewhere in the back of the mind man like, hey,
if this game is a playoff game, Josh Allen, I
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guarantee he's running the ball more than six times in
that type.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I agree with you.
Speaker 5 (28:38):
I would also, you know, kind of look at the
some of the personnel construction there with Buffalo and say, like,
I don't know that they necessarily.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Were like, oh, we're good without an alpha dude.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
I would imagine that that's why they drafted Keyon Coleman
you know, to become that guy eventually, and it just
hasn't really happened yet.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
So you know, I think I think there's an understanding
there of what they what they need to win.
Speaker 4 (29:04):
Now.
Speaker 5 (29:04):
I think they've done a really good job at you know,
being one of the best teams in the AFC and
in the league without that dominant player, because.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
James Cook was going off and he was fine in
this game.
Speaker 5 (29:14):
I mean, they just didn't give them the ball, you know,
a ton he ended up What seventeen carries are still
a fair amount, you know in today's league. But on
the other side, you got Bijon going for one to
seventy on nineteen.
Speaker 4 (29:25):
That's a Buffalo defense problem, or not exactly.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
There's there's a big piece of that.
Speaker 5 (29:29):
It's a complimentary game and then you know you get
the two turnovers and then a somewhat you know, limited
possession game you know in the second half, Like that's.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
That's an issue.
Speaker 3 (29:39):
Yeah, because the Chiefs have dominated this conference for a
decade without a mean, I mean, Kelsey's a legit one,
but they don't have They have not done it with
a one on the outside. So yeah, the reason they've
been able to do that because the defense has been
sitting picked up. Yeah, and that Buffalo did not play
well defensively in that game. So anyways, by the way,
thumbs up or thumbs down on the double double headers
on Monday nights, I don't like it.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
A lot to take in.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
It's a lot to take in. Yeah, my kids loved it.
Speaker 5 (30:06):
They were going back and forth with it, and they,
you know, an earlier one, so actually able to see
the completion of the first one.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
I got to get a bigger TV because I'm doing
like the u TV the two box.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Yeah, it's hard to see. I need the bigger TV
to be able to see all that stuff. All right,
let's take a break. We come back, we'll hit a
Coordinator of the Week, and then we'll also have our
rookie recap and rookie draft.
Speaker 4 (30:26):
Man bad week for me. We'll get to that right
after this.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
All right, before we get to this disaster of a
rookie draft from last week, let's get to our coordinator
of the week. We've been doing this every week high
light and the guy in the coordinator position and role
that's done a really nice job. So you know what,
we like to call this our little hot or not segment,
because it's time for Hot or Not, brought to you
by with Sabbi Hot Cloud Storage, and it's going to
be Seahawks offensive coordinator Clint Kubiak who brings home the title.
Speaker 4 (30:57):
This week, they had a nice win. Bucky was there
the twenty.
Speaker 3 (31:00):
To twelve JSM eight catches for a bucks sixty two,
Sam Donald two ninety five, two touchdowns, no pick, just
a real efficient, clean game. Sam Donald is first in
EPA per play first and yards per attempt first and
turnover worthy play percentage on the season. JSN as most
receiving yards for six games in Seahawks history, So they
are playing excellent on the offensive side of the ball.
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To go back into the Kubiak file, twenty ten, he's
a grad assistant at A and M, where his dad
had played. In twenty twelve, he's the offensive quality control
coach there at A and M before joining the Vikings
in thirteen and fourteen, again a quality control gig. Goes
to the University Kansas, gets a position room as a
receiver coach, then to the Broncos.
Speaker 4 (31:41):
Is an offensive.
Speaker 3 (31:42):
Assistant sixteen to eighteen, the Vikings quarterback coach nineteen to
twenty before vaulting to be the coordinator there in twenty one,
then back to the Broncos in twenty two, quarterback coach,
passing game coordinator, Niners passing game coordinator in twenty three
with McVeigh offensive coordinator, last year with the Saints before
they you know, that whole thing changed over and then
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Uh and then gets the job as the O se
Uh with the Seattle Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Buck.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
I would just be curious as someone who is around
and UH and playing during the Mike Shanahan era. UH
and obviously his dad, Kerry Kubiak comes right underneath him
as a protege. How how similar does this look to
those offenses and what they were doing back then.
Speaker 6 (32:22):
DJ's funny when you see the Shanahans, the descendants of
the Santahan tree, but particularly the Suns Kyle Shanahan and
then Clint Kubiak, it's like.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Watching the same play. You almost can call them, you know,
so like at.
Speaker 6 (32:34):
The end of the game, then Kubiak downs up this
bootleg throwback that is a staple Rich.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
You know from watching the Houston Texans for years.
Speaker 6 (32:43):
They send everybody to one sat on deep post routes
and angles and you'll see the tight end kind of
sneak behind the line and then out the back door
and they hit him down this like these things that
you're like.
Speaker 4 (32:54):
That's a staple, that's a QBAC staple.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
They're doing it. But what I can tell you that
Clint Kubiak is doing.
Speaker 6 (33:00):
Is there's plays and there's players, and he understands how
to make sure that, Hey, I'm gonna get the ball
to my best players, and then there's a time.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Where I'm gonna give you a schematic winner and he
does that really well. JSN.
Speaker 6 (33:13):
There was a time DJA every completion that Sam Donald had,
Jackson Smith and Jig it was like, I feel like
I'm playing Madden.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
I'm just my guy on the outside has been you.
I'm just gonna throw the ball to him. And they're
doing that.
Speaker 6 (33:25):
Then the second half they come out right away Cooper Cup,
Cooper Cup big plays. So look it's too simple, better
with some exotic twist, but they are maximized the talents
of their players while every now and then makes it
in a schematic play that really makes it hard.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
For the defense to defend. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been impressive.
It's been impressed with what he's done there. They don't
even got the run game early cranked up yet, so
I think that's the last little missing piece, right.
Speaker 5 (33:54):
It also just helps when your quarterback is just dropping
absolute dimes on big play throws like uh that layer
throw in the JSND Crosser Buck in the second quarter.
The deep shot was on the money as Jayson just
ran Bot. By the way, the old Tyson Campbell for
Greg Newsom trade. It's not there yet for either guy, and.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
We we hit on that yesday. Did not go well
for either either member of that as you know, Man.
Speaker 5 (34:18):
He had the anticipation throw on the Cooper Cup touchdown
was just just fantastic anticipation. The pace on it was
perfect placement. And then maybe the dagger is that play
action in the fourth quarter where he's got two dudes
in his face. Almost immediately Sam kind of side steps
and then launches the deep bald a j barner. That
kind of seals a.
Speaker 4 (34:38):
Little wind back, little wind back round. Yeah, great buck rtt.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I'm remember when we we launched uh trucks and trailers
and we talked about that, so that was that was
kind of a staple of the program. I've got a
new phrase that I've been using, and I want to
I'm hoping it's gonna catch on because and first of all,
Sam Donald has transitioned from a trailer to a truck
with the way that he's played, he's become really really
good player. But this is my next phrase because I
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got it when I was watching Sam earlier this year
and I said, you got to trust your eyes and
trust your guys. Like he you trust your eyes to
see the picture of the defense. So I trust where
I know where they're going to be, and then I
trust my guys that they're seeing the same picture and
they're going to be where they need to be. And
when you can trust your eyes and your guys, the
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ball comes out on time. That's when you get anticipation,
and that's when you get big plays because there's no
there's no hesitation there. So I want to make this stick,
but I need some other people start adopting it and
using it.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
I will for sure make that stick because that perfectly describes,
you know, this year's Heisman Trophy winner, Fernando Mendoza and
one of the favorites for the Blatnikoff and Elijah Surat
like those back shoulders.
Speaker 4 (35:47):
And Sam page. Yeah, trust your.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Eyes, trust your guys, and so I'm with you on that.
Speaker 4 (35:52):
Love.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
So Buck, you just got to weave that in. Get
that woven into the broadcast for the Jags this week. Yeah, okay,
we'll see we can, uh As and I guys see if.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
We can make your work to do that. Yeah, see
he needs to improve on that in that in that
area there and get to the Rookie drafts. Hold on.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
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that if you have interest in this stuff. All right,
Rookie draft time. Looking back to last week, just a
despicable effort. I mean, Bucky, you got two points, which
normally I would say you got to be better. But
I got one point, which is just an embarrassment to
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my friends and my family, and Rhett got nine points.
Rhett had the top top top guys Hee had Gent
was the top scorer of the running backs tm max
top score among the receivers. Tyler Warren again h was
a top among the tight ends. So Jet so reck
it's nine points.
Speaker 4 (37:09):
Rhet is now passed me.
Speaker 3 (37:11):
He's at twenty seven. I'm at twenty six week he's
at nineteen. But Buck, you just saw based off that,
I mean, one good week and you're in first place.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
So I mean, I mean, what a week for this guy?
I mean, just go buy a lottery ticket.
Speaker 1 (37:23):
Can I just give you one? One final piece on
that one saw?
Speaker 5 (37:26):
I'm sitting at the airport watching the game, right it goes,
We get the Isaiah Jones picks off the last Dante
More pass and it's like, it's clear Indiana's going to win.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
I'm not. I'm telling you not.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
Ten seconds later, a waiting on the delayed flight, I
get the notification on the phone, Oh you your seat
is now one.
Speaker 4 (37:42):
Hey you got what a week?
Speaker 2 (37:45):
What a week?
Speaker 4 (37:46):
That's a week all right for the boys. Student of
the Month by the way. I mean, it's just.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
Two goals with the soccer, first multiple game of his career.
Speaker 4 (37:55):
So all right, well, thankfully I get the first pick
I'm taking. You're not having him anymore. I'm sick of that.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
I'll go and I'm gonna watch him because I got
the Chargers playing against the Colts.
Speaker 4 (38:06):
But I'll go Tyler second pick, who's on back.
Speaker 6 (38:10):
I just want to make sure like we have so okay, cool, cool,
that's good. Okay, So I'm gonna go with ston Jens.
I'm gonna take I'm gonna take him. Make sure we
get him off the board.
Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
I got back to back to your boys, So I'm
gonna go, uh because Buka is probably out right, so
I'm gonna go ted Roa McMillan once again. By the way,
you know who's kind of creeping up in the rookie
receiving category is Matthew Bowling right now.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
We talked about him yesterday. His three games of row,
he's had to catch over thirty yards. So he's giving
him a big play every single year.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Not a ton of receptions like volume there, but yeah,
they're making it. He's making them count.
Speaker 4 (38:43):
That's for sure.
Speaker 5 (38:44):
And then I'm going camps Kataboo, baby, Like, there's just
no way I'm not getting cam van uh in the lineup.
So those are my two.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
Okay, so who was the first one?
Speaker 5 (38:54):
You do?
Speaker 1 (38:54):
You took t Mac and Camp Scataboo.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
It's really difficult because there's no tight ends out there.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
Really, I mean's fine.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
He's fine.
Speaker 6 (39:04):
I can't Mason Taylor, he can't get a ball because
the quarterback he cost me, he costs me.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
I'm sitting here.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
I mean, I guess I'm gonna go with.
Speaker 1 (39:13):
Maybe coaching change helps Gunner Helm you know who knows.
Speaker 6 (39:16):
Nah, I guess I'm gonna have to go with Fanning
against since I have to have it a tight end,
like come on, Harrold, let's see.
Speaker 4 (39:23):
If Yeah, all right, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
I'm gonna say this is a Trevon Henderson week, he's
starting run. I'm gonna take I'm gonna take Henderson. But
I don't I know that they play the Tennessee Titans,
is what I know.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
And then receiver wise, god, uh, you know Ido Manner
has been targeted a ton just looking at these numbers.
Thirty five targets, but only seven seventeen catches a those
thirty five targets.
Speaker 4 (39:54):
Good night.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
Yeah, I don't think I have any choice here. I'm
gonna I'm gonna go with my Green Bay Packer, my
top receiver in the draft last year.
Speaker 6 (40:03):
Mad There you go, all right, man to go to
number zero, I guess I'm gonna steap with the home team.
I'm gonna try to go. At some point, Travis has
to pop.
Speaker 4 (40:11):
Yeah, you're going back to that well until you freaking
get some water from it. I got I got to
get something, like.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
I got to get something from Travis on overseas. Maybe
you can do something for.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Me, Yeah, I mean, like the yards per catch on
this one, Like that's that's the thing that surprises me.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
It's off five yard in rows like they haven't been.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
When they try and get him down the field, something
and evily happens, like a penalty or something like that
that brings it back.
Speaker 5 (40:36):
All right, guys, So since you stole Warren from me,
who is very disappointed about having the changes, We're.
Speaker 4 (40:42):
Gonna go with Gadson. Let's go with Gatson, get them
get in the mix.
Speaker 1 (40:45):
Come on the fumble. The fumble got me.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
It's seven catches last week.
Speaker 1 (40:49):
Interesting, we're playing the Colts now, you know, I shoot,
you bullied me into it. Let's do it. Let's have
some fun with Gatson.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
His whole family was sitting right in front of us.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
Nice because he's the Florida So you had like thirty
people with the gats and jerseys, and like, he catches
the first ball and you see him all come up
and then he fumbled and they all sat right back down.
And then and then he ended up following that up
with a really productive day. And you know, so we'll
see I think Quentin Johnson not playing to create some
more opportunities and targets. But he might have beat out
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Tyler Conklin the way he's that's the way he showed
up in that game.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
So there we go.
Speaker 2 (41:28):
There you have it.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
There's a rookie draft.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
Buck.
Speaker 4 (41:29):
We have got to step our game up. Man.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
I'll tell you what, Buck, if you get if you
beat RHTT this week, I'm going to pitch in some
money and buy you a light for your office.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
That's what I have.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
No, no, no, I have a light, DJ.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
But what I'm trying not to do is I'm trying
not to have like the spooky thing. So my office
window is that. So I didn't want the shadow of
that if I put on the big light, but put
on the big light, then it casts it makes my
face dark on the front end. And so to day
is one of the rare day days that it rains
in LA And so sitting in front of a window
isn't playing to the strengths of yeah my studio.
Speaker 4 (42:03):
No, I just thought you were playing hide and seek.
I don't know what's going on there, man.
Speaker 7 (42:08):
You know, but you can say it with me. Let's
go Dodgers. I mean, if I have some thundersticks. If
I have some thundersticks, we can have some thundersticks. Let's
go Dodger.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
I love how they make it hard on themselves. Man,
our guy, Dave Roberts, go ahead and just throw Snell
out there, only to take eight more pitches.
Speaker 4 (42:29):
He finished that game up. Nobody was touching him.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
One hitter through eight innings, right at like one hundred pitches,
and then he goes to the bullpen and they almost
lost the game for him.
Speaker 4 (42:38):
Stinks. I hate them so much, all right, let's uh wrap.
Speaker 6 (42:45):
You val used to be such a hater in this way.
If you drive a little love, Dan. If you try
a little love, it may turn for you if you
were just trying to love them.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
The fact that Bucky was trying to justify the financial
resources of the Milwaukee Milwaukee Brewers again, Los Angeles Dodge.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Oh my god, you guys disgusting.
Speaker 4 (43:04):
What a dumb board. I mean, come on, no, let's
get a salary cap in Naked Fair. It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
All right, congrats again on the Hoosiers red on a
positive note, Uh we will, We'll be back.
Speaker 4 (43:15):
We'll see you guys there this week. Appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (43:17):
It
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Bucky Brooks
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