November 18, 2025 • 26 mins
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks are back with a new episode of Move the Sticks. They kick things off with a discussion on the 2024 QB class and viable candidates for the vacant head coaching positions for next season (0:00). Then, DJ and Bucky recap the Cowboys’ Monday night victory over the Raiders (07:13) before diving into the rest of Week 11 including Packers - Giants (12:51), Panthers - Falcons (14:21) and more (21:41).
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and
Buck with you? Buck? What is going on? Man? Not
too much? Man, DJ?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is the fun time. I know you've started this process.
Are you beginning to start it?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Like I started looking ahead to the twenty twenty six draft,
where we go? I know you tend to start with
the big uglies.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I started with the fun positions just because I'm familiarizing myself.
So I'm looking at all these quarterbacks and I'm just
beginning to kind of see what's out there, even though
some of these guys want to declare it's just an
interesting class.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
And I'm saying interesting and good, and I'm saying interesting
and bad.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Just interesting what these teams are going to have to
decide upon when they're thinking about the next version of
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
There's so many of them want yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
And look, you know there's been times where we thought
it was a good year and it didn't turn out
to be such down the road with times we thought
it was a bad year, and then all these guys
develop and surprise you. So you know, we'll see how
it goes with all these quarterbacks. I was, you know,
just kind of thinking about this the other day when
you look at the quarterbacks last year, not this current
class that we have as rookies, but these second year players.
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Think about how quickly the narrative has shifted on some
of these guys. Man obviously Drake Mason, the MVP discussion,
Calebs Caleb's got it. You know, he's he's getting better
and better and better and just keeps showing you what
he's capable of in the clutch moments. Boon Nicks it's,
you know, maybe took a little bit of a step
down in some eyes, but then you know, has all
these comeback wins and he's got his team as the
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number one team in the in the AFC, got Jay
Daniels in a conference championship game last year. What he
hasn't been healthy, and that whole team went from you know,
or end the custom of the Super Bowl to looking
like they're pretty far away at this point in time.
And JJ McCarthy, we hadn't seen, you know, he gets
out there and it hasn't been great. And then Pennix,
it's I think that stat was something like what in
his last eight years of football and ending injury and
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five of them.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
It changes quick, man, it changes quick.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
But you know what, also, it brings me back to
some of those truisms that we learned very very early
in scouting. And as much as we try and run
away from those things, those things kind of come back
to the forefront when we talk about time on task.
So we value quarterbacks with a lot of start, So
that'll bring in Bo Nix and Jayden Daniels and stuff.
You talk about the prototypes and the traits that you
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look for, so that gives you Drake.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
May in terms of what he's able to do when he.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Looks the part, and yeah, it wasn't so great at Carolina,
but yeah, the traits are the traits you talk about
Caleb Williams and when we talk about superpowers and the
special things that kind of wraps him into it. There
are a lot of things that we can learn from
looking at these quarterbacks and how they succeed. And we'll
say it time and time again. Environment matters, where you go, matters,
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who coaches you, matters, what they surround you with. All
of those things matter because they directly impact the performance
and the production.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Of the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I'm also curious to see one of the names we
have not mentioned. We're talking about all these college gigs
and everything. I've never seen Cliff Kingsbury's name pop up. Yeah,
I mean has he put out there like yeah, I'm
good on that. I never want to Yeah, maybe has
he's done. He's an NFL guy and likes that life better.
But I'm just thinking of the continuity with these guys,
like the exciting thing to me with New England and
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with Chicago both playing great. Right, Drake's playing great, Caleb's
playing really well. This is year one with this kind
of thing getting ready to launch.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, they can be able to stack upon it. They
can be able to look at all the games and say, great, man,
that was algebra one, and then we can go to
algebra two and we can move on to some other
things now that we've had a full off season to reset,
clean up those things we learned from that first year,
and then here's where we need to get to in
year two. You like that, and that is the argument
that some will make for offensive minded guys, conuity on
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that side of the ball when you have a young
quarterback and those things and even though those guys we
talked about are not necessarily like the head coach Ben
Johnson is, But in New England you got Josh McGain.
She's gonna be there because he's already been there. But
there is something to some of.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
The kind of new the that you want on that
side of the ball.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
But a man is a far arranging discussion when it
comes to head coaches, candidates and what you want as
the ultimate leader of the team.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
The best combination is if you can get a head
coach who specifies on one side of the ball, and
then the other side of the ball. You get someone
who's had head coaching opportunities and maybe it didn't go well.
So I think of like Steve Spagnolo that has allowed
the Kansas City Chiefs to have the same offensive voice
and Andy Reid no matter what coordinators leave, he's the
offensive voice and the same defensive voice and Spags because
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people I didn't work out as a head coach, he's
not going to be a head coach and maybe that changes,
but that's been a long run of continuity. If you
think about Vrabel, obviously it can be that defensive side
of the ball mined in Stalwart and then McDaniels.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So it hasn't worked as a head coach.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
A couple of times, you're thinking, Okay, hes probably not
going to get another shot anytime soon. So both those
voices are going to stay the same. And then in
Chicago you got the same thing. Dennis Allen has been
a head coach. Didn't necessarily it went okay, but I
don't know how much you got by the apples over
other one. And you got Ben Johnson running the offense.
So to me, you're like around these young quarterbacks. To
have the overall complete staff continuity that you have, man,
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that's huge.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Man, I think it's really important. It was in the
same spot.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Well, yeah, and you have another head coach who has
been there in Vance Jose who's been a head coach before.
He's a defense sport and we'll see if he has
another opportunity to do it. But then you have Sean Payton,
who is ultimately the play caller. But man, you can
you can keep changing the coordinator up under him, but
ultimately the guy that sets the course is Sean Payton,
and they're able to do it and do it a
ride different ways. I do like that it's gonna be
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interesting when we get to the hiring cycle in terms
of what people are looking for. And let's be honest, DJ,
the names. You have some names that pop right away,
like Jesse Mentor is gonna be a guy that people
talk about. There can be some other young guys that
people talk about. But then where do you go, particularly
depending on how many jobs open up. Do you go
and get the experienced guys who are maybe on their
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second or third opportunity? Is there a young guy that
you favor that can be a leader.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Of men type?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
All of those things are out there and it's just
going to be such a fascinating discussion to see how
it kind of how it spins when the music ends,
who fills up the dance card?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, I should also mention of all those young quarterbacks Minnesota,
same boat Koc on the offensive side, Brian Flores on
the defensive side. Now I think between VJ Flores like
one of these defensive guys as spags like one of
these guys.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
They have to get it.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
If there's a number of jobs, it's been a hard
time telling me there's going to be five or six
better candidates.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, they have to get a good jobs. Yeah, because
people going to look at the evolution that they made.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And I always speak for VJ and for Flores, I
think the evolution that they've made in their respective roles
as coordinators is fascinating because both of those guys went
to that job being one way or thought of and
viewed as one type of coach. And you've see schematically
that they've been able to evolve and change and do that.
And some of that is places of influence people around
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them that have kind of helped them kind of expand
their thinking, and some of that is just a natural
maturation that you continue to have as a coach in
this league. But yeah, I think both guys will have
an opportunity to offer better versions of themselves in their
new destinations.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
All right, let's let's get to what we saw in
that Monday night game. Look, the score I don't even
know tells a story there. Dallas thirty three to seven
to sixteen, obviously playing with heavy hearts Marshawn Neal in
the first game since his real, real sad story with
his passing. So you had an emotional Cowboys team a
Raiders team that man, that is a flawed group, man,
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And I'll give you one example, one number that'll tell
you if you didn't watch this game, Dallas had thirty
four pressures in this game.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Thirty four and.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I mean DJ soud in the pressure because you have
to understand, anyone who knows Matty Uflus knows that he's.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Not really a high blitz guy.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
But they were downing it up because it not only
created a one on one, they know they could win,
they could get home, and they would get home and flustered,
Genos went had a running all over I mean look
like a chicken with his head cut off in the backfield,
just trying to avoid the numerous cowboys that had free
shots on them for a Raiders team, And we just
talked about Pete Carroll and what he wants to do,
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Like there are a lot of people that were excited
about Pete Carroll coming over on board, and I'm still
a believer in Pete Carroll and the culture builder that
he is. But right now, man, they are just not
the team that we expected. And unfortunately it's not gonna
get better because the schedule is tougher for the Raiders
down the stretch. They just have not been able to
get on tracked offensively and they've been inconsistent defensively, but
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offensively dj I would say the best two players that
he may have on offense after assingen the two tight ends,
and they got in twelve personnel sets. But in thinking
about twelve personnel and we've talked about thirteen and all
the value that comes out of multiple tight ends on.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
The field, they just can't run the football well enough.
They don't run it. They don't even try.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I mean, they just can't get to what the formation
in the Pearl package can give you from an advantage standpoint,
because they're so bad at.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
The line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, they're bad upfront, man. Not not a good ball club,
but a good win for the Dallas Cowboys. And by
the way, you know, we've had this discussion and when
we get to the draft time, hey, what's more valuable?
And EDG Dresher a defensive tackle. And for all the
grief the Cowboys took for moving on from Micah Parsons
and then turn around and trading for twenty and Williams
and now all of a sudden, you look up, they've
got defensive tackles. Man, they got real dudes in there.
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And that's the nightmare for an offense when you're getting
that type of interior pressure.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams teaming Upgazoo was in
that mix. I mean they have three athletic dominant people
that on the inside and they can disrupt everything.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And so now there's a path to rebuilding that you
can see, Like, man.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
If they get an a level pass us to go
outside of those guys to one on ones, that are
going to be created because of what they have on
the interior. You saw a defense that was playing back
and I know it's the Raiders, and I know the ineptitude,
the ineptitude that comes with the Raiders offense, but I
think it if you're a Cowboys fan, you can begin
to get a little excited about what can be down
the road for what they want to do on defense.
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But I want to say this because we both know
Brian Schatdenheimer. I've known him for a long time one
having played for his dad and remember when he was
around the program.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I'm gonna say the coaching.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Job that he has has had to deal with this
year speaks volumes about the character that he brings as
a head coach. And when we think about head coaches.
So much of our conversations about the X and o's
and the taxes and those things. But I'm gonna say DJ,
toughness in your head coach is underrated. Toughness mentally in
terms of being able to handle tricky situations and circumstances
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and getting your team to play. First, he had to
deal with Michael Parsons. Then you have to deal with
a very unfortunate suicide with the player that just takes
an emotional toll on your team. To get his team
to play like they played, and to handle all of
that emotionally and keep it together speaks volumes about who
he is and what he can be as a head
coach in this league. And I'm going to give him
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a little credit up there on the on the front
office side of things. With Will McClay running the show there,
they know who they have to get by, and that's Philly.
And as great as Micah Parsons is, like, that's a
that's not a track meet. That's a fistfight when you
play against the Philadelphia Eagles, So if you're trying to
get through them, they're kind of building it more inside
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out as opposed to outside in and that's the kind
of game that you're going to find yourself in. Now,
it might be too late this year to catch that team,
but from here going forward, it sounds like you get
a coach it's got a little bit of an edge
to him. Shot, he's got an edge to him, and
you're trying to build this thing inside out. We'll see
in week twelve when they square off, so that'll be
that'll be a funnee. Yeah before indigen you're right, we've
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talked about this h our journeys the scouts. We always
talked about the first tam you got to do is
you got to build your team to win a division.
And you're looking at the Philadelphia Eagles where we've we've
talked about them on numerous podcasts in terms of how
they build, how they constructed, the physicality that they bring,
the wave, and the depth of talent that they bring,
particularly on the line of scrimmage, offense and indefensely.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
If you're not built their way, you have no chance.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And it's not only what they do physically, it's mentally
how they approach the game. You talked about Philly being
a bully and how they've constructed a heavyweight team well,
if your team's not like that, you don't have a shot.
And the Cowboys certainly know and so as much as
I love the glisten glamour of their offense, I do
believe the team is embodying a little more of an
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edgier physical team that you have to build to be
able to deal with them when it comes to winning
the division down the line.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yep, again, that's Week twelve, that's coming up. That's this week.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
We are in Week twelve, so we'll see that matchup
on Sunday. That's a one to twenty five West Coast
for us to tune in, So looking forward to that.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I want to get to a couple of these games.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
There's a couple thoughts on some of the other games
we didn't hit on from this past week, and we
can just kind of rip throw them buck and if
you have a thought, fire away green Bay twenty seven
to twenty. I know there's been some criticism here on
Jordan Love as of late, but you watch that game.
I saw drop after dropping. I had to go back
and pull the numbers or five drops in that game
from Green Bay. And on the other side of it,
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Manny was under dress the Giants forty five point five
percent pressure rate. That was the second highest of any
team in Week eleven. So under a lot of pressure,
you guys aren't catching the ball. I don't know what
the heck you want. They got to do well, you know,
there's a lot of conversation.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
They finally relented to fans request and they went and
drafted a first round receiver and it hasn't really changed
what they're doing on a perimeter in terms of the
level of dominance and who commands the attention. At some point,
the pack is going to have to get better efforts
from the pass catches on the perimeter, and I know
injuries have changed the way that they have to go
about it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
But we have high expectations from Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
We should have those same expectations from the pass catches
that he's targeted, and they just have to get better,
not only doing the simple things in terms of catching
the ball when they're open, but dj they got to
win consistently when they blanket you on the outside and
they put the man to man coverage on you, like
you've got to have guys that are consistent winners. They're
not getting the consistency on the perimeter that they need
to be able to be successful when it comes to
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the area of circus.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
You know, there was no blood on his hands, you
know when you think about their first round pick. But man,
everybody else dropping the ball. He's not getting any opportunities.
I wish they would try and give him some more
chances to get down the field. But Golden hasn't really
got much. Speaking of rookie receivers, one who has excelled
is tederoat Macmillan. They beat the Caroline Panthers, beat the
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Atlanta Falcons thirty twenty seven. He had a really big day.
He's up there the top ten and all these categories. Now,
Buck and I watched the tape of it. You see
him inside just kind of showing you the instincts and
awareness to be able to settle and sit in zones. Okay,
check that box. Then you get them on the outside.
You can run digs, you can run deep, deep outs.
They're able to be on the same page timing wise,
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him and him and his quarterback Bryce Young seemed to
be really synced up. And then even the awareness on
a broken play, you know, and be able to adjust
when when Bryce's able to buy a little time, pretty
complete performance. And I'm not saying he's AJ Green, but
that was the hope of like what he could be.
You know what you're looking for from a player with
that frame and kind of silky smooth kind of movement,
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and you squint, you could see it. You can see
some AJ green to the way he's been playing.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, And you know, here here's the problem, particularly on eyeside,
when it comes to the draft process.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Too much time, too many conversations on TV.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Where you're always looking to change not your opinion, but
the way that you present your opinion, and then little
things come up along the way and then you kind
of alter it.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Ted McMillan is T mac is what he's always been.
He is a jump ball specialist.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
He's a guy who expands the strike zone for the
quarterback and you can see the natural number one receiver
traits that he brings to the table.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And even though Bryce.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Young has been inconsistent from the pocket, T mac has
been the guy that has going to stabilize their passing game.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And as he continues to grow.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
In his development as a route runner, as a playmaker,
and as they build things designed to really give him
more opportunities he's been a dominant player on the perimeter. Now,
I'll say this because they've tried multiple time to find
someone on the other side to stock up. They need
other guys to kind of elevate that passing game. But
there's no doubt in my mind he is a number
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one all day. I'm gonna push back on just one
thing that you said there. And I think this happens
a lot with the draft because it's what we do,
and people will say, oh, you got that wrong, you
that like, no, no, I'm not, I'm not making anything up.
Like there was times where he was not fully engaged.
There were times where I questioned some of the you know,
some of the commitment on a down in a down
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out basis He's not like the most super sudden player
like that.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Those are not that's not well, we just made it up,
Like that's what that's what you saw. Like, there's all
the good stuff. There's the body control, there's the catch radius,
there's the instincts. So what happens when these guys get
to the next level, Buck they either maximize their strength
and eliminate their weakness, or they the weakness gets them
and their strengths are diminished. That's where the guess work
comes in. But I'm not always just when people say like, oh,
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you guys made all this stuff up about like, I
just tell you exactly. I saw the good and there
is some little bad. That's with every single player that
comes into the draft. Now it's whether they lean into
the good and eliminate the bad. And his credit hats
off man, he's done it completely.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
He certainly has done it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And I wasn't trying to make it where it's one
of those things where you go back like the report
is the report, and we only can do what we know,
what we hear, what we see on a player. The
thing that we can do is we can't necessarily say, hey,
he's going to get it whatever because say, well, we
hope that he can get it if he does these things,
this is what he could be or these are the
things that could be the kryptonite that prevents him from
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realizing his potential.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
To his credit, he's been great there. He has been
what they needed.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
He's exactly the number one that this team needed for
this quarterback. And we'll see how it continues to develop.
But look, man is funny because DJ at the twenty
twenty six class has a lot of wide receivers that
are going to fall into that first round, second round
category that we're going to have to make decisions and
determinations on when we're rejecting.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Is this guy going to be a true number one?
Are they the number two? Camp?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
The wide receiver position, I believe is hard projecting from
college to pro. I think it's the most difficult one
to deal with now because there's so much subjectivity when
it comes to what teams want in a number one
and a number two receiver.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, And I think that's also just kind of the
role where you go in, Like he went into that
group in Carolina and he was the man from Jump Street,
Like Xavier Legett wasn't going to be that guy, so
he took over to be that number one guy, and
they've built a good chunk of the offense around him,
and he's been awesome. Abuka has been outstanding. I mean,
it could be a favorite to be the Rookie of
the Year if he hadn't missed any time. But he's
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been dynamic, the one that they that were just they
got to figure out what they're doing and he's got
to play better and get more opportunities in Matthew Golden.
I mean, he's the one of those top three guys
that so far he.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Just hadn't got anything.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
So I'm going back through my notes on him, and
I'm saying, Okay, he's Polish, he's got instincts, he's tough,
he's strong, he stays grounded to the catch, he can
break tackles, he can make you miss, you know, out
in space.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Look, that goes a little bit both ways.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Okay, there's areas he needs to improve and be more
reliable and dependable. There's also they got to figure out
a way to get the ball in his hands and
let him do what he does best, which is run
with it. So now it's just interesting looking at those
receivers on where they are at this point in time.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I've had conversation with scouts who say that it's like
man wide, receivers are so tough to project because even
though you have a first round grade on somebody in
the seventh round grade on another person, the transition into
the league is so unique and different for everybody, Like
coming from where you come from the system that you
played in, how they learned the play calls, all that stuff.
Can hinder the progress of someone who has first round
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talent given their traits, and then you have someone else
who is a lesser later round pick who doesn't have
the traits, but they played in the system that is
better prepared than for what they're going to be asked
to do as a pro. So subjective environment really really matters,
and it's one of the things that provides the guess work,
the guessing game that we play as evaluateds.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah, I mean, I'll give you one other example, like
this is where you're always making a little bit of
that guess. Okay, are we going to get which one
of this? Which version are we going to get here?
When we took a load Nada when I was in
Baltimore and there were some plays he took off and
you know, he's a big guys, three hundred and forty
plus pounds, and some people thought, oh, they questioned it
a Diaron commitment. We're like, okay, the more we dug
and the more we learned, were like, he's playing on
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special teams, playing all these snaps, like this is the
reason why this guy's not giving max effort on every
single play and he lean you know, that was never
an issue for him in the NFL. So you know, look,
that's you know, that's that's why you look at Tetero McMillan.
In hindsight, all the good should have diminished the concern
about maybe a loaf here or there on the backside
of routes.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
But yeah, I haven't seen that in any of his
tape thus far. No, I mean, like he's done that.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
And you know, DJ, sometimes you learn from those things
and sometimes you the lessons come from the the feedback.
And so he had to hear the feedback, like he
had to hear the feedback that was talked about him
throughout the process, whether it came directly from the Panthers,
where they came from other people, where they came from
watching TV and hearing the talking heads discuss the weak
parts of his game. He had to hear that and
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he had to change it because it has changed. Like
what we talked about him cruising through and not doing
all that like that was on tape. That's not a
made up assertion on them who he was.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
And so he had to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And that's what coaches do. Coaches provide the feedback. Hey,
here's where you are, here's where we need to get
you to. Here are the things that you need to
do to get better. Let's work on those things. There
are things where prospects can improve when they get to
the next level, and some of the feedback that is
harsh at the beginning helps him become much better players
in the end. All right, Buck, let's pause for a
second and we'll be right back. All right, let's get
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back into it. Here about San Francisco Atlanta, I thought
brock Purdy was good. He was accurate, he was efficient.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Maybe the most pressure on him, considering you know how
Mac Jones played, then you expected the contract. Your backup
comes in and plays well.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
He was great.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Cincinnati gets throttled by Pittsburgh. The one thing I had
on that one, just going through that was Herbig had
six pressures. He has played really, really well as a
young ascending pass rusher. Houston sixteen to thirteen. Danil Hunter,
I think maybe the most underappreciated great player in this league.
I mean, four more pressures for him. He's he looks
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so much like Max Crowsey with what he does and
has all this production. I just feel like we kind
of forget about him at times. And then Miami touched
on this previously in our conversations, but man, just a
lot of eye candy in the run game, pen and pulled.
You see him pulling three guys missdirection. Like just kind
of one of those days where Mike McDaniel got in
his bag a little bit with the run game.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, again in his bag and it's funny man of late,
like his back has been against the wall. People have
talked about him being on a hot seat in those things,
and he has delivered some of his best coaching the
last few weeks. They are playing hard, they haven't given
up on you can see it in the effort with
which they've been playing. And loo being knocked off a
really good team in Buffalo, they come back and get
Washington overseas.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That is a big win for the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Going back to danil Hunter, I just got to tell
you DJ because I don't know if the last time
you saw him up close and personal. There are times
man like, but there are times when you know, you
go to a pro game and you forget about the
body typing that we used to do as college guys.
But then you see it and you're like, oh, man,
he looks like a groan man. He looks like a hero, figurine,
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long arms, chiseled, comes off, plays hard active. You talked
about the four pressures that he had last week. I'm
talking about the four sacks that he had the week I.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Was there with the Jack nine sacks man.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, he is a dominant presence and you should
And then Nick Herbick from Wisconsin going to Pittsburgh. Mike
Tomlin talked about him a ton last year when you
had to be behind the scenes access with hard knocks,
and we talked about the league being a league full
of specialists, where you take somebody superpower and you put
him in a position where they able to utilize that superpower.
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His effort and energy as a pass rusher really shows up.
And even though some would say maybe he's not a
frontline guy that can do it all the time, he
plays so hard, he's so effective getting to the court
back that the still As have found another one. I mean,
I feel like they just have a knack for finding
these guys that fit in to this game. He is
another one that's gonna be a great player for them
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for a long time. Let me give you some of
the sacks.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Let me give you the sack totals first career for
Danil Hunter, going back to him first year, six, then
twelve and a half, then seven, fourteen and a half,
fourteen and a half, six, ten and a half, sixteen
and a half, twelve, he's already got nine through ten
games this year, He's got one hundred and eight point
five career sacks. Like, just put it in perspective, Jared Allen,
Hall of Famer, had one hundred and thirty six played
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for a long time.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Daniel Hunter's thirty one buck. He's only thirty one years old.
And here's the thing, DJ, you remember the big question
coming out. He didn't have production in college. He didn't
have any production like limited or whatever. But then you know,
like a lot of people will beat guys up, and well,
why do you guys care so much about trace and
armlint in those things?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Because if the.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Trades matched the teaching and the technique, it can come.
It can create a terror. And he has become that
in the league. It is so hard to get to
one hundred sacks as a pass rusher in this league.
The number of times that he has hit double digit
totals as an edge rusher, it just speaks to his dominance.
He is a dominant playmaker, and he should be a
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Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
He's on the mat. I mean when you have him
and Will Anderson, I mean they have just done a
really good job. But Denil Hunter. Hats off to him
for the career that he's had.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I was just pulling up some other Hall of famers,
like the Marcus Ware he had one hundred and thirty
eight point five, So I think that's right with Jared Allen.
So he's right on the He's right on the doorstep
of being with some really really you know, elite Hall
of Fame names here with the career that he's had.
And I feel like we talk about Max Crosby all
the time. Miles Garrett obviously is the is the best
pass rusher of this current era, but he doesn't get
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mentioned and probably should.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Anything else you want to get to before we get
out of here, Buck, No man, it's a fun week.
It's a fun time. Like I love doing this.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I love beginning to cast our eyes to like the
draft in those things. As we get closer to the
end of the red season, we'll do more of that.
But no, man, I just love looking at players and
looking where this league is because so much of it
is about the great players dominating and beginning to impose
it will and as we're getting into these late stages,
this is where the cream rises to the top, and
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we're beginning to see that.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
No question, Well, we can have the quarterbackscussion next week.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I'm on that's next up on my list here to
get these drafticble quarterbacks done.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So we'll get to that next week on the pod.
We appreciate you guys hang with us. We'll see you
next time right here on movisticks
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up? Everybody? Welcome to move the sticks, DJ and
Buck with you? Buck? What is going on? Man? Not
too much? Man, DJ?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
This is the fun time. I know you've started this process.
Are you beginning to start it?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Like I started looking ahead to the twenty twenty six draft,
where we go? I know you tend to start with
the big uglies.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
I started with the fun positions just because I'm familiarizing myself.
So I'm looking at all these quarterbacks and I'm just
beginning to kind of see what's out there, even though
some of these guys want to declare it's just an
interesting class.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
And I'm saying interesting and good, and I'm saying interesting
and bad.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Just interesting what these teams are going to have to
decide upon when they're thinking about the next version of
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
There's so many of them want yeah, no doubt.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
And look, you know there's been times where we thought
it was a good year and it didn't turn out
to be such down the road with times we thought
it was a bad year, and then all these guys
develop and surprise you. So you know, we'll see how
it goes with all these quarterbacks. I was, you know,
just kind of thinking about this the other day when
you look at the quarterbacks last year, not this current
class that we have as rookies, but these second year players.
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Think about how quickly the narrative has shifted on some
of these guys. Man obviously Drake Mason, the MVP discussion,
Calebs Caleb's got it. You know, he's he's getting better
and better and better and just keeps showing you what
he's capable of in the clutch moments. Boon Nicks it's,
you know, maybe took a little bit of a step
down in some eyes, but then you know, has all
these comeback wins and he's got his team as the
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number one team in the in the AFC, got Jay
Daniels in a conference championship game last year. What he
hasn't been healthy, and that whole team went from you know,
or end the custom of the Super Bowl to looking
like they're pretty far away at this point in time.
And JJ McCarthy, we hadn't seen, you know, he gets
out there and it hasn't been great. And then Pennix,
it's I think that stat was something like what in
his last eight years of football and ending injury and
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five of them.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
It changes quick, man, it changes quick.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
But you know what, also, it brings me back to
some of those truisms that we learned very very early
in scouting. And as much as we try and run
away from those things, those things kind of come back
to the forefront when we talk about time on task.
So we value quarterbacks with a lot of start, So
that'll bring in Bo Nix and Jayden Daniels and stuff.
You talk about the prototypes and the traits that you
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look for, so that gives you Drake.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
May in terms of what he's able to do when he.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Looks the part, and yeah, it wasn't so great at Carolina,
but yeah, the traits are the traits you talk about
Caleb Williams and when we talk about superpowers and the
special things that kind of wraps him into it. There
are a lot of things that we can learn from
looking at these quarterbacks and how they succeed. And we'll
say it time and time again. Environment matters, where you go, matters,
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who coaches you, matters, what they surround you with. All
of those things matter because they directly impact the performance
and the production.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
Of the quarterback.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
I'm also curious to see one of the names we
have not mentioned. We're talking about all these college gigs
and everything. I've never seen Cliff Kingsbury's name pop up. Yeah,
I mean has he put out there like yeah, I'm
good on that. I never want to Yeah, maybe has
he's done. He's an NFL guy and likes that life better.
But I'm just thinking of the continuity with these guys,
like the exciting thing to me with New England and
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with Chicago both playing great. Right, Drake's playing great, Caleb's
playing really well. This is year one with this kind
of thing getting ready to launch.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, they can be able to stack upon it. They
can be able to look at all the games and say, great, man,
that was algebra one, and then we can go to
algebra two and we can move on to some other
things now that we've had a full off season to reset,
clean up those things we learned from that first year,
and then here's where we need to get to in
year two. You like that, and that is the argument
that some will make for offensive minded guys, conuity on
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that side of the ball when you have a young
quarterback and those things and even though those guys we
talked about are not necessarily like the head coach Ben
Johnson is, But in New England you got Josh McGain.
She's gonna be there because he's already been there. But
there is something to some of.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
The kind of new the that you want on that
side of the ball.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
But a man is a far arranging discussion when it
comes to head coaches, candidates and what you want as
the ultimate leader of the team.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
The best combination is if you can get a head
coach who specifies on one side of the ball, and
then the other side of the ball. You get someone
who's had head coaching opportunities and maybe it didn't go well.
So I think of like Steve Spagnolo that has allowed
the Kansas City Chiefs to have the same offensive voice
and Andy Reid no matter what coordinators leave, he's the
offensive voice and the same defensive voice and Spags because
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people I didn't work out as a head coach, he's
not going to be a head coach and maybe that changes,
but that's been a long run of continuity. If you
think about Vrabel, obviously it can be that defensive side
of the ball mined in Stalwart and then McDaniels.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
So it hasn't worked as a head coach.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
A couple of times, you're thinking, Okay, hes probably not
going to get another shot anytime soon. So both those
voices are going to stay the same. And then in
Chicago you got the same thing. Dennis Allen has been
a head coach. Didn't necessarily it went okay, but I
don't know how much you got by the apples over
other one. And you got Ben Johnson running the offense.
So to me, you're like around these young quarterbacks. To
have the overall complete staff continuity that you have, man,
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that's huge.
Speaker 2 (05:09):
Man, I think it's really important. It was in the
same spot.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Well, yeah, and you have another head coach who has
been there in Vance Jose who's been a head coach before.
He's a defense sport and we'll see if he has
another opportunity to do it. But then you have Sean Payton,
who is ultimately the play caller. But man, you can
you can keep changing the coordinator up under him, but
ultimately the guy that sets the course is Sean Payton,
and they're able to do it and do it a
ride different ways. I do like that it's gonna be
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interesting when we get to the hiring cycle in terms
of what people are looking for. And let's be honest, DJ,
the names. You have some names that pop right away,
like Jesse Mentor is gonna be a guy that people
talk about. There can be some other young guys that
people talk about. But then where do you go, particularly
depending on how many jobs open up. Do you go
and get the experienced guys who are maybe on their
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second or third opportunity? Is there a young guy that
you favor that can be a leader.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Of men type?
Speaker 1 (06:03):
All of those things are out there and it's just
going to be such a fascinating discussion to see how
it kind of how it spins when the music ends,
who fills up the dance card?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yeah, I should also mention of all those young quarterbacks Minnesota,
same boat Koc on the offensive side, Brian Flores on
the defensive side. Now I think between VJ Flores like
one of these defensive guys as spags like one of
these guys.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
They have to get it.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
If there's a number of jobs, it's been a hard
time telling me there's going to be five or six
better candidates.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Yeah, they have to get a good jobs. Yeah, because
people going to look at the evolution that they made.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
And I always speak for VJ and for Flores, I
think the evolution that they've made in their respective roles
as coordinators is fascinating because both of those guys went
to that job being one way or thought of and
viewed as one type of coach. And you've see schematically
that they've been able to evolve and change and do that.
And some of that is places of influence people around
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them that have kind of helped them kind of expand
their thinking, and some of that is just a natural
maturation that you continue to have as a coach in
this league. But yeah, I think both guys will have
an opportunity to offer better versions of themselves in their
new destinations.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
All right, let's let's get to what we saw in
that Monday night game. Look, the score I don't even
know tells a story there. Dallas thirty three to seven
to sixteen, obviously playing with heavy hearts Marshawn Neal in
the first game since his real, real sad story with
his passing. So you had an emotional Cowboys team a
Raiders team that man, that is a flawed group, man,
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And I'll give you one example, one number that'll tell
you if you didn't watch this game, Dallas had thirty
four pressures in this game.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Thirty four and.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
I mean DJ soud in the pressure because you have
to understand, anyone who knows Matty Uflus knows that he's.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
Not really a high blitz guy.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
But they were downing it up because it not only
created a one on one, they know they could win,
they could get home, and they would get home and flustered,
Genos went had a running all over I mean look
like a chicken with his head cut off in the backfield,
just trying to avoid the numerous cowboys that had free
shots on them for a Raiders team, And we just
talked about Pete Carroll and what he wants to do,
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Like there are a lot of people that were excited
about Pete Carroll coming over on board, and I'm still
a believer in Pete Carroll and the culture builder that
he is. But right now, man, they are just not
the team that we expected. And unfortunately it's not gonna
get better because the schedule is tougher for the Raiders
down the stretch. They just have not been able to
get on tracked offensively and they've been inconsistent defensively, but
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offensively dj I would say the best two players that
he may have on offense after assingen the two tight ends,
and they got in twelve personnel sets. But in thinking
about twelve personnel and we've talked about thirteen and all
the value that comes out of multiple tight ends on.
Speaker 2 (08:49):
The field, they just can't run the football well enough.
They don't run it. They don't even try.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I mean, they just can't get to what the formation
in the Pearl package can give you from an advantage standpoint,
because they're so bad at.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
The line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Yeah, they're bad upfront, man. Not not a good ball club,
but a good win for the Dallas Cowboys. And by
the way, you know, we've had this discussion and when
we get to the draft time, hey, what's more valuable?
And EDG Dresher a defensive tackle. And for all the
grief the Cowboys took for moving on from Micah Parsons
and then turn around and trading for twenty and Williams
and now all of a sudden, you look up, they've
got defensive tackles. Man, they got real dudes in there.
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And that's the nightmare for an offense when you're getting
that type of interior pressure.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, Kenny Clark and Quinn Williams teaming Upgazoo was in
that mix. I mean they have three athletic dominant people
that on the inside and they can disrupt everything.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
And so now there's a path to rebuilding that you
can see, Like, man.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
If they get an a level pass us to go
outside of those guys to one on ones, that are
going to be created because of what they have on
the interior. You saw a defense that was playing back
and I know it's the Raiders, and I know the ineptitude,
the ineptitude that comes with the Raiders offense, but I
think it if you're a Cowboys fan, you can begin
to get a little excited about what can be down
the road for what they want to do on defense.
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But I want to say this because we both know
Brian Schatdenheimer. I've known him for a long time one
having played for his dad and remember when he was
around the program.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
I'm gonna say the coaching.
Speaker 1 (10:17):
Job that he has has had to deal with this
year speaks volumes about the character that he brings as
a head coach. And when we think about head coaches.
So much of our conversations about the X and o's
and the taxes and those things. But I'm gonna say DJ,
toughness in your head coach is underrated. Toughness mentally in
terms of being able to handle tricky situations and circumstances
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and getting your team to play. First, he had to
deal with Michael Parsons. Then you have to deal with
a very unfortunate suicide with the player that just takes
an emotional toll on your team. To get his team
to play like they played, and to handle all of
that emotionally and keep it together speaks volumes about who
he is and what he can be as a head
coach in this league. And I'm going to give him
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a little credit up there on the on the front
office side of things. With Will McClay running the show there,
they know who they have to get by, and that's Philly.
And as great as Micah Parsons is, like, that's a
that's not a track meet. That's a fistfight when you
play against the Philadelphia Eagles, So if you're trying to
get through them, they're kind of building it more inside
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out as opposed to outside in and that's the kind
of game that you're going to find yourself in. Now,
it might be too late this year to catch that team,
but from here going forward, it sounds like you get
a coach it's got a little bit of an edge
to him. Shot, he's got an edge to him, and
you're trying to build this thing inside out. We'll see
in week twelve when they square off, so that'll be
that'll be a funnee. Yeah before indigen you're right, we've
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talked about this h our journeys the scouts. We always
talked about the first tam you got to do is
you got to build your team to win a division.
And you're looking at the Philadelphia Eagles where we've we've
talked about them on numerous podcasts in terms of how
they build, how they constructed, the physicality that they bring,
the wave, and the depth of talent that they bring,
particularly on the line of scrimmage, offense and indefensely.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
If you're not built their way, you have no chance.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
And it's not only what they do physically, it's mentally
how they approach the game. You talked about Philly being
a bully and how they've constructed a heavyweight team well,
if your team's not like that, you don't have a shot.
And the Cowboys certainly know and so as much as
I love the glisten glamour of their offense, I do
believe the team is embodying a little more of an
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edgier physical team that you have to build to be
able to deal with them when it comes to winning
the division down the line.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yep, again, that's Week twelve, that's coming up. That's this week.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
We are in Week twelve, so we'll see that matchup
on Sunday. That's a one to twenty five West Coast
for us to tune in, So looking forward to that.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I want to get to a couple of these games.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
There's a couple thoughts on some of the other games
we didn't hit on from this past week, and we
can just kind of rip throw them buck and if
you have a thought, fire away green Bay twenty seven
to twenty. I know there's been some criticism here on
Jordan Love as of late, but you watch that game.
I saw drop after dropping. I had to go back
and pull the numbers or five drops in that game
from Green Bay. And on the other side of it,
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Manny was under dress the Giants forty five point five
percent pressure rate. That was the second highest of any
team in Week eleven. So under a lot of pressure,
you guys aren't catching the ball. I don't know what
the heck you want. They got to do well, you know,
there's a lot of conversation.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
They finally relented to fans request and they went and
drafted a first round receiver and it hasn't really changed
what they're doing on a perimeter in terms of the
level of dominance and who commands the attention. At some point,
the pack is going to have to get better efforts
from the pass catches on the perimeter, and I know
injuries have changed the way that they have to go
about it.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
But we have high expectations from Jordan Love.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
We should have those same expectations from the pass catches
that he's targeted, and they just have to get better,
not only doing the simple things in terms of catching
the ball when they're open, but dj they got to
win consistently when they blanket you on the outside and
they put the man to man coverage on you, like
you've got to have guys that are consistent winners. They're
not getting the consistency on the perimeter that they need
to be able to be successful when it comes to
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the area of circus.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
You know, there was no blood on his hands, you
know when you think about their first round pick. But man,
everybody else dropping the ball. He's not getting any opportunities.
I wish they would try and give him some more
chances to get down the field. But Golden hasn't really
got much. Speaking of rookie receivers, one who has excelled
is tederoat Macmillan. They beat the Caroline Panthers, beat the
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Atlanta Falcons thirty twenty seven. He had a really big day.
He's up there the top ten and all these categories. Now,
Buck and I watched the tape of it. You see
him inside just kind of showing you the instincts and
awareness to be able to settle and sit in zones. Okay,
check that box. Then you get them on the outside.
You can run digs, you can run deep, deep outs.
They're able to be on the same page timing wise,
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him and him and his quarterback Bryce Young seemed to
be really synced up. And then even the awareness on
a broken play, you know, and be able to adjust
when when Bryce's able to buy a little time, pretty
complete performance. And I'm not saying he's AJ Green, but
that was the hope of like what he could be.
You know what you're looking for from a player with
that frame and kind of silky smooth kind of movement,
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and you squint, you could see it. You can see
some AJ green to the way he's been playing.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, And you know, here here's the problem, particularly on eyeside,
when it comes to the draft process.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Too much time, too many conversations on TV.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Where you're always looking to change not your opinion, but
the way that you present your opinion, and then little
things come up along the way and then you kind
of alter it.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Ted McMillan is T mac is what he's always been.
He is a jump ball specialist.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
He's a guy who expands the strike zone for the
quarterback and you can see the natural number one receiver
traits that he brings to the table.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
And even though Bryce.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
Young has been inconsistent from the pocket, T mac has
been the guy that has going to stabilize their passing game.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
And as he continues to grow.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
In his development as a route runner, as a playmaker,
and as they build things designed to really give him
more opportunities he's been a dominant player on the perimeter. Now,
I'll say this because they've tried multiple time to find
someone on the other side to stock up. They need
other guys to kind of elevate that passing game. But
there's no doubt in my mind he is a number
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one all day. I'm gonna push back on just one
thing that you said there. And I think this happens
a lot with the draft because it's what we do,
and people will say, oh, you got that wrong, you
that like, no, no, I'm not, I'm not making anything up.
Like there was times where he was not fully engaged.
There were times where I questioned some of the you know,
some of the commitment on a down in a down
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out basis He's not like the most super sudden player
like that.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
Those are not that's not well, we just made it up,
Like that's what that's what you saw. Like, there's all
the good stuff. There's the body control, there's the catch radius,
there's the instincts. So what happens when these guys get
to the next level, Buck they either maximize their strength
and eliminate their weakness, or they the weakness gets them
and their strengths are diminished. That's where the guess work
comes in. But I'm not always just when people say like, oh,
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you guys made all this stuff up about like, I
just tell you exactly. I saw the good and there
is some little bad. That's with every single player that
comes into the draft. Now it's whether they lean into
the good and eliminate the bad. And his credit hats
off man, he's done it completely.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
He certainly has done it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
And I wasn't trying to make it where it's one
of those things where you go back like the report
is the report, and we only can do what we know,
what we hear, what we see on a player. The
thing that we can do is we can't necessarily say, hey,
he's going to get it whatever because say, well, we
hope that he can get it if he does these things,
this is what he could be or these are the
things that could be the kryptonite that prevents him from
(17:32):
realizing his potential.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
To his credit, he's been great there. He has been
what they needed.
Speaker 1 (17:38):
He's exactly the number one that this team needed for
this quarterback. And we'll see how it continues to develop.
But look, man is funny because DJ at the twenty
twenty six class has a lot of wide receivers that
are going to fall into that first round, second round
category that we're going to have to make decisions and
determinations on when we're rejecting.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Is this guy going to be a true number one?
Are they the number two? Camp?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
The wide receiver position, I believe is hard projecting from
college to pro. I think it's the most difficult one
to deal with now because there's so much subjectivity when
it comes to what teams want in a number one
and a number two receiver.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, And I think that's also just kind of the
role where you go in, Like he went into that
group in Carolina and he was the man from Jump Street,
Like Xavier Legett wasn't going to be that guy, so
he took over to be that number one guy, and
they've built a good chunk of the offense around him,
and he's been awesome. Abuka has been outstanding. I mean,
it could be a favorite to be the Rookie of
the Year if he hadn't missed any time. But he's
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been dynamic, the one that they that were just they
got to figure out what they're doing and he's got
to play better and get more opportunities in Matthew Golden.
I mean, he's the one of those top three guys
that so far he.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
Just hadn't got anything.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
So I'm going back through my notes on him, and
I'm saying, Okay, he's Polish, he's got instincts, he's tough,
he's strong, he stays grounded to the catch, he can
break tackles, he can make you miss, you know, out
in space.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Look, that goes a little bit both ways.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Okay, there's areas he needs to improve and be more
reliable and dependable. There's also they got to figure out
a way to get the ball in his hands and
let him do what he does best, which is run
with it. So now it's just interesting looking at those
receivers on where they are at this point in time.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
I've had conversation with scouts who say that it's like
man wide, receivers are so tough to project because even
though you have a first round grade on somebody in
the seventh round grade on another person, the transition into
the league is so unique and different for everybody, Like
coming from where you come from the system that you
played in, how they learned the play calls, all that stuff.
Can hinder the progress of someone who has first round
(19:34):
talent given their traits, and then you have someone else
who is a lesser later round pick who doesn't have
the traits, but they played in the system that is
better prepared than for what they're going to be asked
to do as a pro. So subjective environment really really matters,
and it's one of the things that provides the guess work,
the guessing game that we play as evaluateds.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Yeah, I mean, I'll give you one other example, like
this is where you're always making a little bit of
that guess. Okay, are we going to get which one
of this? Which version are we going to get here?
When we took a load Nada when I was in
Baltimore and there were some plays he took off and
you know, he's a big guys, three hundred and forty
plus pounds, and some people thought, oh, they questioned it
a Diaron commitment. We're like, okay, the more we dug
and the more we learned, were like, he's playing on
(20:16):
special teams, playing all these snaps, like this is the
reason why this guy's not giving max effort on every
single play and he lean you know, that was never
an issue for him in the NFL. So you know, look,
that's you know, that's that's why you look at Tetero McMillan.
In hindsight, all the good should have diminished the concern
about maybe a loaf here or there on the backside
of routes.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
But yeah, I haven't seen that in any of his
tape thus far. No, I mean, like he's done that.
Speaker 1 (20:43):
And you know, DJ, sometimes you learn from those things
and sometimes you the lessons come from the the feedback.
And so he had to hear the feedback, like he
had to hear the feedback that was talked about him
throughout the process, whether it came directly from the Panthers,
where they came from other people, where they came from
watching TV and hearing the talking heads discuss the weak
parts of his game. He had to hear that and
(21:03):
he had to change it because it has changed. Like
what we talked about him cruising through and not doing
all that like that was on tape. That's not a
made up assertion on them who he was.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
And so he had to do that.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
And that's what coaches do. Coaches provide the feedback. Hey,
here's where you are, here's where we need to get
you to. Here are the things that you need to
do to get better. Let's work on those things. There
are things where prospects can improve when they get to
the next level, and some of the feedback that is
harsh at the beginning helps him become much better players
in the end. All right, Buck, let's pause for a
second and we'll be right back. All right, let's get
(21:41):
back into it. Here about San Francisco Atlanta, I thought
brock Purdy was good. He was accurate, he was efficient.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
Maybe the most pressure on him, considering you know how
Mac Jones played, then you expected the contract. Your backup
comes in and plays well.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
He was great.
Speaker 3 (21:55):
Cincinnati gets throttled by Pittsburgh. The one thing I had
on that one, just going through that was Herbig had
six pressures. He has played really, really well as a
young ascending pass rusher. Houston sixteen to thirteen. Danil Hunter,
I think maybe the most underappreciated great player in this league.
I mean, four more pressures for him. He's he looks
(22:15):
so much like Max Crowsey with what he does and
has all this production. I just feel like we kind
of forget about him at times. And then Miami touched
on this previously in our conversations, but man, just a
lot of eye candy in the run game, pen and pulled.
You see him pulling three guys missdirection. Like just kind
of one of those days where Mike McDaniel got in
his bag a little bit with the run game.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, again in his bag and it's funny man of late,
like his back has been against the wall. People have
talked about him being on a hot seat in those things,
and he has delivered some of his best coaching the
last few weeks. They are playing hard, they haven't given
up on you can see it in the effort with
which they've been playing. And loo being knocked off a
really good team in Buffalo, they come back and get
Washington overseas.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
That is a big win for the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Going back to danil Hunter, I just got to tell
you DJ because I don't know if the last time
you saw him up close and personal. There are times
man like, but there are times when you know, you
go to a pro game and you forget about the
body typing that we used to do as college guys.
But then you see it and you're like, oh, man,
he looks like a groan man. He looks like a hero, figurine,
(23:16):
long arms, chiseled, comes off, plays hard active. You talked
about the four pressures that he had last week. I'm
talking about the four sacks that he had the week I.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Was there with the Jack nine sacks man.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, he is a dominant presence and you should
And then Nick Herbick from Wisconsin going to Pittsburgh. Mike
Tomlin talked about him a ton last year when you
had to be behind the scenes access with hard knocks,
and we talked about the league being a league full
of specialists, where you take somebody superpower and you put
him in a position where they able to utilize that superpower.
(23:49):
His effort and energy as a pass rusher really shows up.
And even though some would say maybe he's not a
frontline guy that can do it all the time, he
plays so hard, he's so effective getting to the court
back that the still As have found another one. I mean,
I feel like they just have a knack for finding
these guys that fit in to this game. He is
another one that's gonna be a great player for them
(24:10):
for a long time. Let me give you some of
the sacks.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
Let me give you the sack totals first career for
Danil Hunter, going back to him first year, six, then
twelve and a half, then seven, fourteen and a half,
fourteen and a half, six, ten and a half, sixteen
and a half, twelve, he's already got nine through ten
games this year, He's got one hundred and eight point
five career sacks. Like, just put it in perspective, Jared Allen,
Hall of Famer, had one hundred and thirty six played
(24:32):
for a long time.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Daniel Hunter's thirty one buck. He's only thirty one years old.
And here's the thing, DJ, you remember the big question
coming out. He didn't have production in college. He didn't
have any production like limited or whatever. But then you know,
like a lot of people will beat guys up, and well,
why do you guys care so much about trace and
armlint in those things?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Because if the.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
Trades matched the teaching and the technique, it can come.
It can create a terror. And he has become that
in the league. It is so hard to get to
one hundred sacks as a pass rusher in this league.
The number of times that he has hit double digit
totals as an edge rusher, it just speaks to his dominance.
He is a dominant playmaker, and he should be a
(25:12):
Hall of Famer.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
He's on the mat. I mean when you have him
and Will Anderson, I mean they have just done a
really good job. But Denil Hunter. Hats off to him
for the career that he's had.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
I was just pulling up some other Hall of famers,
like the Marcus Ware he had one hundred and thirty
eight point five, So I think that's right with Jared Allen.
So he's right on the He's right on the doorstep
of being with some really really you know, elite Hall
of Fame names here with the career that he's had.
And I feel like we talk about Max Crosby all
the time. Miles Garrett obviously is the is the best
pass rusher of this current era, but he doesn't get
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mentioned and probably should.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Anything else you want to get to before we get
out of here, Buck, No man, it's a fun week.
It's a fun time. Like I love doing this.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
I love beginning to cast our eyes to like the
draft in those things. As we get closer to the
end of the red season, we'll do more of that.
But no, man, I just love looking at players and
looking where this league is because so much of it
is about the great players dominating and beginning to impose
it will and as we're getting into these late stages,
this is where the cream rises to the top, and
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we're beginning to see that.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
No question, Well, we can have the quarterbackscussion next week.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I'm on that's next up on my list here to
get these drafticble quarterbacks done.
Speaker 2 (26:19):
So we'll get to that next week on the pod.
We appreciate you guys hang with us. We'll see you
next time right here on movisticks
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Daniel Jeremiah
Bucky Brooks
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