October 7, 2025 • 31 mins
Daniel Jeremiah, Bucky Brooks, and Rhett Lewis open up the show with a discussion on the heavyweight match up between #7 Indiana and #3 Oregon before recapping the Jaguars’ impressive win over the Chiefs on Monday Night Football (5:03). They weigh in on the Browns’ decision to trade Joe Flacco to the Bengals (18:21), make their Week 6 Rookie Draft picks (21:50) and spotlight Patriots OC Josh McDaniels as ‘Coordinator of the Week.’ (25:03)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Everybody?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky Rhett back together again?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Boys? What's going on? Buck?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I will make a deal with you. You don't make
fun of the Podreys. I won't make fun of the
tar Heels, and we just keep this train movers.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
I mean, I mean, some things are always are always
the same.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Whatever. Like I mean, is this a very quick, short
lived stint for the Pods.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
No, it's almost as short lived as that Who series.
You guys just cancel my.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Coming.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
I saw that made it through what five weeks?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
And they're like, yeah, we don't even know. I don't
even document this anymore.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Not do that.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We're good, Rhett. What do you got going on this weekend? Anything?
Speaker 6 (00:51):
Just a just a just a you know, top ten
match up toween the Hoosiers and the Ducks. Can I
just can just quickly because I know you guys appreciate, uh,
you know, kind of reliving the glory day. Yeah, So
Indiana is going to Austin Stadium in Eugene this week, right, Indiana.
The two thousand and four Indiana Hoosiers remained the last
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team to beat Organ, last Big ten team to beat
Organ at Odson Stadium. You know who's on that team?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
There you go?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Do you know what the box score looks like? In
that game?
Speaker 6 (01:21):
We got out gained by three hundred yards. We had
a kick offf return for a touchdown. We had six
completions in the past game they had seven. What in
the world are you.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We had seven?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
I have support you go ahead, good, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh my god, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You have those ridiculous Hayden my son is a senior
in high school and he's like, I know masters, he
just he goes on there's these websites where the players
will ditch their stuff because they want to make a
little extra money on the side. So he's got gloves
from I don't know, he's probably got one hundred sets
of gloves from different teams and that I I just
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I'm like, oh, you know, I bet he has some
orgon gloves. So I just sprinted into his room before
we started and uh and found these little organ gloves here.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
So I'm just gonna bust your.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Chot very good.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, I don't think he has any IU gloves. I
don't know if those are a hot ticket item on
the on the black market.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
They are now football.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Are now, buddy, Yeah, and it's anyway. So yeah, we
won that game somehow on the road. Kellen Clements had
three interceptions. Helodinado was an absolute monster in that game,
but somehow figured out a way to win.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know, just wanted the wanted to.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Bring that one back and now looking to go back
into into Eugene and take care of business again.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Buck, what do you think in that we're going to
get to the NFL? But I got to get your
take on where you think is gonna happen. And don't
just be nice because he's our friend.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Look, man, the Oregon teams that I've seen are hammering people.
And Dan Lannon will find something that you guys have
even put out in a tweet. You do anything, something, something,
something with the bias is something that offends his sensibilities
to have his team ready to go. I will say,
in a short time he has become one of the
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best football coaches uh in the college landscape. His ability
to not only get his teams up and going tactically,
but the motivational stuff did he uses?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
He finds it?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
So I know you've done something, Rhett, I know you've
uttered something. Somebody associated with Indiana has monitoring in this podcast,
disrespectful or nothing, and he is going to use that
little morsel, that little colonel to motivate his squad.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
But hey, the winner of this game be number one
in the country. I feel, well, anybody have to well,
anybody has well. No, I'm just saying, well, anybody have
two better wins than whoever wins this game. No, Indana
would happen because Illinois was a top ten win, right,
top ten wine, This would be a top ten win,
and we're Oregon State and then at the time on
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the road wide out top.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yeah, you know that's a great win.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's an incredible win. I would I mean, I would
agree with you.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
I think that those two top ten wins would be
better than anything we've seen in the country thus far. Now, look,
and I know the SEC has got some big games
this week, you know, in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
Yeah, let me just say this real quick about coaching,
because I know we love that kind of stuff and messaging. Honestly,
I think I feel like Dan Lanning is the millennial
Kurt Signetti. Like they when you think about the way
that they try to reach their teams. I mean, Dan
is like a little bit more up with today's kind
of culture, but like they are so similar in their
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approaches when you really dig into it, it's actually, I mean, honestly,
it's you know, two of the very top top top, top,
top top coaches in college football today. I don't think
you can really debate that at this point. With what
Signette's done at IU and what Dan Lanning continues.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
To do, I think that's fair. I absolutely think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well, everybody be watching excited for you man to have
your program and where they are. It's pretty cool. All right,
let's get into some NFL stuff. I'm gonna switch the
conversation over to you. That was a big win, man,
the Jacksonville Jackuary get a big w and a kind
of bizarre game. I tweeted out at the end that
was the drunkest game winning drive I think I've ever seen. Man,
That thing was nuts and ended up being finished off
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by a stumble rouski into the end zone for Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
DJ, I would say a few different things that were appearing.
When you're a team that doesn't play on Monday night
football to playing primetime games. The stage can be a
little big, and they create some frustration and a frenzy
feel to it. After the game, I had a long
conversation with Jordan Lewis, who came from the Dallas Cowboys,
and he talked about how everyone was out.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Of source and he was looking around like what is
going on?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
But then we talked and he came to the realization
that in Dallas State always play on a primetime stage,
so you get comfortable in that environment knowing that the
football world is watching all the of the pomp and
circumstance that comes along.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
With playing Monday night games. The Jaguars hadn't been in
the Monday night game.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
They were on last year, but it was up in Buffalo,
but at home, it hadn't been since twenty twenty three
against the Cincinnati Bengals, and what it felt like everyone
was out of source, trying to do too much. At halftime,
lim Gohin told the team, everyone, take a deep breath,
calm down. We haven't played. Let's just play one play
at the time and see what it looks like. And
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in the second half you saw more of what the
Jacks have been playing like the first four weeks than
what we saw that first half, and I would say
that it still wasn't perfect.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Trevor, to me.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Needed to have this game on a national stage to
show people that look flawd or not, he can grind
it out. And he also discovered and the coach discovered,
he is one who needs to use his legs to
settle himself down. And I always think that's an underutilized
part of his game, but one that he needs to
lean into if he can lean into it, kind of
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like Pat Mahomes and some of the other guys lean
into it when they need it, not just as a crutch.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
The other thing, and while I'm.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So confident going into the thing with Travis hunter Man,
there's some guys that you have on a team that just.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Bring the juice, and he is a juice player.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
When he touches the ball and gets it going, it
changes the energy in the stadium.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
He has to do it.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
And finally, Brian Thomas Junior catching the pass down the stretch,
that might be the moment that allows.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Him to get back to playing at the level that
he played. And sometimes you just need to see that.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Big shot go through the hoop before you kind of
say and be like, okay, I knew how to do this.
That catch down the sideline was a big moment because
of the way that he fined off to the fender
but also made a tough.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Closer to catch it was close.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
He did, so that was one of the moments.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Yeah, to me, it felt like guys that Trevor Lawrence
was Josh Allen, like in the in someone on that
last drive.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
That's what that felt like to me, Like a guy
that just would not be denied.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
And how many times have we seen Josh Allen pull
that kind of rabbit out of his hat that way?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I won't I won't lie.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
I certainly felt like at some point like how many
know how many seconds are we gonna leave on the
clock here at the very end right there was there
was that mindset a little bit, but like that play
man falling down twice getting stepped on, knowing that you
were you know, you're into what were they They woun't
have to spike it, right if they didn't because they
were out of time out No.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
No, they were out of timehouse. Look, I felt like
it was either second down, so they made to spike
and use it, but.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You don't want to burn down. Yeah, and you didn't.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
You didn't want to use up all your stuff, And
then I would be honest. Patrick Mahomes is like Michael Meyer.
He's like Halloween. Oh he just keeps coming like he
And so you're looking at the clock like, now you
don't want to score too soon because I've seen this movie.
I've seen this happened too much here. It was a
lot going on. The credit to him having to whereverthal
to be able to put it into paint, because when
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he felt down, I was like, oh, man, of all
the things, this is the way that you go out.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
You found a way to get it in. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
The other thing I'd say, DJ real quick is that
part of this part of that performance frustrates me a
little bit for the Jaguars because like, why can't we
see that on a more consistent basis from Trevor? You know,
I just like he makes some of those big time throws,
but like that killer instinct. Man, that felt like that
was on a different level last night.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Yeah, you got a different confidence level there than I did.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I was watching that drive, looking at a delay game,
looking at the cocket, at him taking forever to snap
the ball. Looking at the close ups where I'm sitting
with my wife, and my wife is like, you know,
just a casual football watchers, like, he looks scared to death.
I'm like, I know it was nothing about that was
listening Josh Allen vibes for me. But they he made
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the big throw when he had to have it, and
after tripping twice, he got up and found his way,
you know, into the end zone. So I was glad
the way I'm I'm hopeful that this is this is
the result that will that will produce confidence. I am
not a belief that that was confidence that produced that result.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
If that makes any sense, it.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Does make a lot of sense. And watching it weekly.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Look, man, if you come into the game and you
look at the stat line that he had, he was
at the bottom of everything. You know what I'm saying
when it comes to like the numbers, but sometimes you
have to find a way to win without the stats
being a big part of it.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
And DJ, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I looked up in the scoreboard at one point he
was twelve for sixteen, one hundred and sixty something yards
and whatever, and I was like, my eyes certainly did
not see the stadline like I noticed. Stadline is true,
but what I was seeing was not that because it
wasn't pretty. It wasn't one of those vintage performances that
you'll say.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But I think he needed to get through that.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
And I'll say this, he is always going to be
saddled by the expectations that were put on him when
he won the national championship very early as a collegiate.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
He will never live up to that.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
He can be an upper echelone quarterback, a top eight quarterback,
maybe a top five quarterback, but the expectations that people
have for him, I don't know if you ever quite
get there. He just has to learn how to take
all that cast to the side and find a way
to do what he needs to do weekly to help
the team win games. Because look, he's going dirt dobbing
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some balls. The balls are gonna skip, he's gonna throw
some arrantly, and then he's going to come back with
a dime.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
That you can be like man.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Experience, I mean, guess what it is full Trevor experience,
the glimpses of absolute you know, like brilliance, like those
type of moments. But in this one finding a way
to win, you know, like just figuring it out.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You know, something to be said to that.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah, no doubt, big win and the Jags are in
a great spot.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I got I got some DJ, because I don't know
if you have it available.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I would love to get your take. Devin Lloyder, did
Devin Lloyd report? I always did.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
A tall, rangy linebacker with the exemplary versatility and production
split time between lining up on the edge and an
inside linebacker against the pass. He can run a mirror
tight ends all over the field. He's very instinctive as
a zone dropper, able to anticipate drive and make plays
on the ball. His ball skills are special for a linebacker.
C pick six against Stanford. Lloyd is an effective blitzer
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off the edge, is playing a burst of clothes and
recavoc in the backfield against the run plays downhill, uses
length to playoff locks and collect tackles.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Has great laddle.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Range, does have some stiffness in space, but as a
reliable tackler. I love Lloyd's play speed, passion, and aggression.
He has Pro Bowl potential. He was my thirteenth overall
player in that draft. Okay, DJ, so this is why
we've been doing this for so long. Buck, I had
that cueuede up because I knew you were going to
ask me for that.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Because DJ has been one of my biggest frustrations, feeling
like you that guy on the island, the Devin Lloyd Island,
Like hey man, I'm telling you guys, this guy can play. Yeah, yeah,
look man, he was splitting time. He was in a
competition with Venture Miller to be the starter this year.
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And yeah, fourth round pick venture of Miller from Florida.
That's that's what the competition was. And one of the
things and I tweeted today that eighty to eighty.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Five percent of players in this league are system players.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
They got to be in the right system with the
right environment coaches to thrive. And he finally he's being
utilized like he was utilized in Utah and what.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
You're seeing as a result of that. Here's the dilemma.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Though you didn't pick up the fifth year option, so
now's a free agent at the end of the year.
Not only do you have to make a decision on
whether you want to pay him, he has to make
a decision on whether he wants to chase the bag
or is he finally in a system that allows him
to do what he did so well at Utah. That's
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where creating. He can't clout so many decisions that have
to be made to tag him, right, you can, it's
gonna be a hepty tag though.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, I mean right.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
But but we have four interceptions and a number of
splash plays in five games.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Uh, two defensive player of the Week awards, a Defensive
Player of the Month award.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
The bag is getting bigger.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
So I would suggest you might want to put that
call into the agent today.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Well, you know, I would say, don't compound a mistake.
He didn't tag him, Okay, that was probably mistake number one.
Don't let him walk out the building though.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You know that.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Yeah, you find out you got to find a way
to make that work.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
But he is.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
It's interesting, Buck when you go back through and.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Look to the college stuff, because he was so instinctive
against the pass, and if you watch him so far
this year, and I do think some of that, some
of that tightness and stiffness will show up in some
of the change of directions, for sure. I think that's
still there.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It does.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
But his eyes are so good. He's rangy and long
and that was kind of that. This was kind of
on the heels of Fred Warner and like, remember Shaq Leonard,
we were, Yeah, the league was trying to find these long,
rangy tremain edmonds Like that was you know, all the
rage and just took him a minute to kind of
find his footing and find his fit. But man, you're
seeing it a big time right now for the Jacks
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on the chief side of things. One thing we had
talked about before, I've been arguing for Brishard Smith to
get more involved, Like they need more juice and explosiveness,
and it seems like every time they give him a
little something, he does something good with it. I just
don't know why they aren't getting him the ball even more.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, I was cursing you up under my breath when
they were throwing bubble screens and getting in the ball.
I was like, God, dog it. He's has been talking
to someone in the building like now they're gonna feature him.
He's beginning to make plays and you can see what
he can add to this offense. And look, this is
an offense that has interesting players. But I don't know
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how the pieces of the puzzle fit together to make
it like a very cohesive unit.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Like they have a fast guy and Davy Worthy. They
have Hollywood Brown who can make plays on occasion.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
They have Smith Travis Kelsey is kind of a freelance
player on third down. But it's a very unique team.
And the guy who goes together is Pat Mahomes. And
at some point they're going to have to figure out
a way to blend all the pieces together so Pat
Mahomes doesn't have to do everything. Dj I was exhausted
thinking about being Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I don't know how you can sustain.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
It over a seventeen game season where he's having to
do everything, and I mean everything.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
R att Any take on Chris Jones in that little
video that's popping around. I mean not really yeah, just
kind of, I mean, not surprising, a bit circumstantial. You
get to the end of a long drive, your three
hundred plus pounds out there, you're a little bit gassed.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I can get that. It's still it's just clip it
off the post and it's a bad look. It's by
a lot of the attitude stuff and from.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
How many yep yep, and I think you're seeing some
of that.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I do wonder if there is something too, you know,
as that continues to kind of percolate there. But like
I think in a vacuum, you could probably find a
hundred clips like that around the league, you know what
I mean. So, like it's sometimes that's tough and he
gets amplified on social but like obviously you wouldn't. You
don't love to see that from a leader of the team, right,
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or anybody really, but certainly a guy that's.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's as well thought of as that.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
But I thought, like overall, I don't think the I
don't think like the pressure from from the Chiefs defense
against Trevor Lawrence in this game was the problem, Like
they were constantly getting after him. There's plenty of other issues.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yeah, No, I'd be interesting to see where the Chiefs go.
I think they got Detroit, I believe next week.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, Detroit next week. It's not get easier. So again, man,
it feels like this year more than any other, there's
no dominant team. It is wide open in both conferences.
It's all there for the taking. I think a lot
of it's going to come down to who can be
healthy and clicking at the end of the year.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
How about the Ravens, Like on the verge of maybe
one in five to start the year with the Rams
coming to town.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
This is the only thing about them is the only
thing about them is you kind of look at I
looked the schedule the other day and you can says
to win. They're gonna win like the last six games
and they're going to be like one game over five hundred,
be the last seed in the tournament, and probably nobody's
gonna want.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
To play them, you know at that point in time,
right the way it could work out.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
I mean, the division is not that far out of hand,
I guess, you know, like Pittsburgh's kind of still up
there at the very top.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
But speaking of the North, oh, the trade, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
About the trade.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
They just went down, by the way, I put this
in the chat a little bit ago, but we were
cooking on the jag, so I want to play that out.
But hey, uh, this is here's my question. Is the
headline the national headline? And I'll buck I'll hit you
on this is the national headline? One of two options?
Is it should or Sanders moves up depth chart? Or
is it Joe Flacco traded in division to Bengals.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
What's the headline?
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Uh? Shoulders moves up dip chock. Depends on where you look.
I mean, I guess, I guess.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
On what show you're watching.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
I guess, right, well, it depends on what veteran they
go now out and acquire, right, Like, are they going
to get Snoopuntley?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Then? For sure?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Sitting there at number two?
Speaker 6 (19:03):
You know, I don't know if they're you know, I
don't think you make that move to then go sign
another veteran, like another like Flaco esque veteran, right, I mean, like.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Man Joe Flacco. There's two things. I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Joe Flacco behind this offensive line gets me a little
little nervous.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
But also Joe Flacco just chucking.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
The ball down jam Higgins and Jamar Chase kind of
it sounds kind of fun.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I mean, that is that is that is crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Jake Browning kind of been doing that.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I think I don't think Flacco can push that thing
a little more than I would say Browning can't. And
this is the trade conditions here. It's a six rounder
uh in exchange for a five, So they just pick
swap there. They move up around in the fifth, Browns
continue to add to their war chest of of assets
in next year's draft while they're playing all these young rookies,
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including a quarterback in Dylan Gabriel. You had to do this, though, Buck,
if you're Cincinnati, you couldn't trot Browning out there the
week now.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
You couldn't you lose all your credibility, Like, at some
point you have to be committed to winning.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
And they were gonna win games with Jake Browning.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
And even though I was there in the building when
they won the only game that they played with him
at quarterback, it wasn't sustainable. And the league is kind
of saying, I mean just ridiculous, like because is particularly judicious. Yeah,
but but the offense hasn't changed, Like you haven't given
him a chance because you're running Joe Burrow's offense with
someone who's not Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
At some point you have to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
And with Flacco, at least, if you're gonna put him
in Joe Burrow's offense and let him fling it. Uh,
he does have some success being able to throw it around.
The turnover is gonna be there, but it was either
gonna be Joe Flack or Jameis Winston. I wanted to
see one of those guys, someone that was just gonna
air it out. But the turnovers are gonna come and drove.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Aren't they. Jamis and Joe like.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
This team after all this though, this team's two and
three and you look down the line here. They got
a couple of games with the ste I know the
Steelers record is what it is, but they haven't been,
you know, dominating team. Can you split with the Steelers.
You're gonna lose at the Packers this week. You know
you got a Jets game on there, a Bears game.
You know those are games you can be competitive and
potentially win. You got a Patriots game in there. I
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know they're playing well, but you need to just try
and hover and hang around five hundred and hope that
Joe Burrow's toe has just got an unbelievable healing power
to get him back in time to try and save
the season. But at least this gives you a chance
to try and salvage this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Look, you have to do something because you're losing confidence
by the day in the locker room. At least Joe
Flacca would give them a little bit of hope that
they can get back on track.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
All right, let's take a little break, we'll come back.
We've got a rookie draft to get to. We've also
got a little Coordinator of the week that will hit
as well, so we're back right after this. All right, guys,
let's take a look rookie draft coming up. Coming off.
Last week, there was a monster game from Arabuca. RTT
got some nice points there, Bucky I think was I
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think collected a bunch of second place points here with Judkins,
Warren and Hunter all having solid days. I got a
big on the running back room though, Yeah, yeah, exactly,
I got genty, got me some points fifteen.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Fannin did a nice job for me there. So we
are sitting here.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'm at twenty five rets at eighteen, BUCkies at seventeen,
so it's still pretty close. All jammed up in here.
So we got today's draft. We've got a couple of
teams out of the mix. So what he marks all apologies,
he's not available this week. Jayden Higgins also not available
with the buys. So RHTT, you are you are kicking
us off, Go ahead and take a buka so we
can get this train moving.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Well, hold on, we were also we're bringing back the
exclusive tight end position.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Tighten, Yeah, tight end exclusively. So you have to have
a tight end, a running back and a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, give me Tyler Warren.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Oh he's back.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Oh wow, he's back. Maybe all right, I'll take it.
I'll take a book. I mean, I got no choice. Yeah, Buck,
you got two picks, my friend.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Okay, So I'm gonna go with uh Fann and Junior
and uh, let's go with Uh.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I'm gonna stick with it. Let's go at Travis hunder
the please see out of this weeken. I'm gonna go
to Travis Honer. Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Uh, hey, I'm gonna go Bill. Give me Bill off
last weeks. Gimme Crossy merrit here, just.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
As I had moved him out of the starting lineup
at all of my fantasy teams.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
He goes off. That's how it goes.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
That's how it goes.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Okay, this is an interesting one, uh for the running back,
Like do we value quinch On Judkins going into Pittsburgh
against the Steelers team to run on the Steelers now,
but you also get the Raiders tightens to one and
fourteens Raiders back at home.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
With genty Gent's like all they got right now?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Ours hurt.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, I think, man, that's a tough one. I
think I'm gonna go with I gotta go with Genty.
I just gotta do it. I gotta go with Genty
there just based on volume at home against the Titans
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is where I'm gonna go with that one. And then
I am back up and I need a receiver that front.
I feel like, let's go Teed McMillan, Tetarolla McMillan, t
mac Huh.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I'm gonna go Mason Taylor for my tight end like that.
I know they play the Broncos tough defense, but they'll
be chasing points and he's caught the ball. So we'll
go with Mason Taylor. Buck, you got the final pick.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Okay, We'll finished with Brownie. Here we go, finish with
the brown I just all in on the Browns offense.
Let's go with uh, let's go with crush that Jakins
throw it all over again.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I mean, I just love it.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
He's doulty. They got still.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
I like that team. All right.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
We'll see how these uh how these rookies fare this week,
and uh see where we go from there. Let's get
two our Oh, it's time for Hot or Not actually
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It's our coordinator of the week boys, and we're gonna
go Josh McDaniels. With the New England Patriots coming off
a big win, Drake May played outstanding. This is his
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fourteenth season as a Patriots offensive coordinator through three stints,
so he's been in and out of there six times
super Bowl champ. That's pretty nuts, right to be able
to see late crazy six times super Bowl champ, twenty
fifth year in the NFL. You look at some of
these notes on him, Drake May on a hundred plus
passer rating four consecutive starts. He's playing great. In twenty
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four this was passing offense was thirty second in the league.
They are up to eighth this year. So doing a
really nice job there. Obviously. You know, you go through
his his time with New England, then you jump away
be the head coach of the Raiders. That doesn't work, back,
doesn't work well, he comes back, then he goes he's
at the Rams way back in twenty eleven. That was
briefly jump over there after being the head coach of
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the Broncos. So those are some of his other stops there,
but all that success has come with the New England Patriots.
So back, I'll hit you on this. Why has he
had such success with younger quarterbacks in his in his
stops he's been able to kind of get it out
of younger quarterbacks, including gotcha with Timp Deebo all the
way back in the day.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, Like, I.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Don't know, man, Maybe he's just he just has a
unique way of working with those guys. We can teach him,
get him to understand the situational awareness to take the
check down to maximize like what the defense has given them.
It's such a weird thing because you would think someone
who had the kind of offenses that he had to
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have the kind of success with quarterbacks would have had
a tremendous amount of success and quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
But for whatever reason, hasn't clicked.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
But I know now what he's doing with Drake May,
how he utilized Drake May, particularly into Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Look, man, the stock is on the rise in terms
of Drake May.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Stock is on the rise because Josh mcgamer says a
clear vision where every wants to use his young.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Quarterback, right, I think Mac Jones thing. I mean, go
back to the success that Mac Jones had as a rookie. Yeah, yeah,
So I mean that one would be interesting one well.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
And I think you know, look, look we talk about
it all the time here, right, I mean, the play
caller is such a big part of the fit for
a rookie quarterback, for a young quarterback, and I think
there's there's stuff built into this offense that is friendly
for a young quarterback, right, I mean, get the ball
out of your hands. You know, there's some of those
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you know, high completion percentage type of plays, type of
type of routes.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I think they've done a pretty good job utilizing the
backs there.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
And then look, I think the pieces around Drake may
are kind of coming together more so, you know, this
year than we saw, you know, in his rookie season. Certainly,
Steffan Diggs got rolling, right. I Mean, was it just
that they were in Buffalo playing against them, I don't know,
but it felt like they they're starting to find, you know,
ways in which to get you know, get him going.
Hunter Henry had at a big couple of catches in
this game. The thing that I mean now We know
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that Tonio Gibson's out for the rest of the year
with the ACL will continue to see Ramandre Stevenson. But
I just I got to think at some point Trayvon
Henderson becomes an X factor in this thing and becomes
a bigger.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
And maybe it's just a slow burn and a slow build,
but man, if that part gets going, watch out. And
I think you've got you've got some serious playmakers. Then
on this offense, yeah you got a nice the protection.
For goodness sake, your rookies are playing gyil tampble and
yeah they will.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Wilson excuse me, fantastic.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Yeah, they've done a nice job there.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's interesting that some of the classes that we talked about,
you know, right after the draft, I remember specifically saying, uh,
we love what the Patriots did with their rookies. We
love what the Browns did, yep, their rookies, and we
love what Seattle did with their rookies. All three of
those teams, those rookie classes have been as advertised, man,
that there's a big time impact from from all of
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Speaker 5 (29:05):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
There's our coordinator of the week in Josh McDaniels. Buck,
what is your what is your setup this weekend? Where
are the Jags going?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
And?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (29:14):
And what are we looking at?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Well? Jaggards?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yeah, no, no, the Jaguards are playing at home agains the
Seattle Seahawks, and so it's a big game, short turnaround,
short week.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Gotta figure out how to get that done.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Uh. You still have Trayvon Walker's status is up in
the air, coming off for surgery.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Uh. You hope to half him back because defensively they
need him.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
He is a monster off the edge and he helps
Josh anz all and find success.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah. So tough, tough turnaround, quick turning around. But we'll
see another good game.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Hey, Buck, When an't we going to start taking base?
Shoal tooting in the rookie draft?
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Oh, I mean he's in the rotation, but Travis Atien
is killing it. He's like third in rushing. He's he's
averaging in the first half like eight point eight yards
per carry. So I mean when I see that.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I can't. You can't just home it. I can do
the Homer dough. But he's closed. He had big he
has big returns. He just just hasn't popped yet.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
All right, guys, we're uh buck is uh literally I
think he's in a closet somewhere just efforting to get
this podcast and like that is a phenomenal effort on
his part.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Rhet is fired up.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I would love to keep this podcast going, but man,
my office is just freezing in here. I can't uh man,
I just gotta try and warm up a little bit here. Anyways, Hey, Rhet,
we'll be watching your school this week. Uh really rooting
for you there. Yeah, it feels like it, and I
hope that you can, uh yeah, really come through with
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a big one.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
If nothing else.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Those gloves like mediums, mediums like small, like.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I don't know, I be honest. Yeah, yeah there you go.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
So there we go. Okay, hey go who's yours? Go
get them?
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Yeah, that's gonna do it for us, everybody. We'll see
you next time right here on move the sticks
Speaker 1 (31:03):
At Cott
And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:08):
Everybody?
Speaker 1 (00:08):
Welcome to move the Sticks, DJ, Bucky Rhett back together again?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Boys? What's going on? Buck?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I will make a deal with you. You don't make
fun of the Podreys. I won't make fun of the
tar Heels, and we just keep this train movers.
Speaker 4 (00:21):
I mean, I mean, some things are always are always
the same.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Whatever. Like I mean, is this a very quick, short
lived stint for the Pods.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
No, it's almost as short lived as that Who series.
You guys just cancel my.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Coming.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
I saw that made it through what five weeks?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
And they're like, yeah, we don't even know. I don't
even document this anymore.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Not do that.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
We're good, Rhett. What do you got going on this weekend? Anything?
Speaker 6 (00:51):
Just a just a just a you know, top ten
match up toween the Hoosiers and the Ducks. Can I
just can just quickly because I know you guys appreciate, uh,
you know, kind of reliving the glory day. Yeah, So
Indiana is going to Austin Stadium in Eugene this week, right, Indiana.
The two thousand and four Indiana Hoosiers remained the last
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team to beat Organ, last Big ten team to beat
Organ at Odson Stadium. You know who's on that team?
Speaker 3 (01:17):
There you go?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Do you know what the box score looks like? In
that game?
Speaker 6 (01:21):
We got out gained by three hundred yards. We had
a kick offf return for a touchdown. We had six
completions in the past game they had seven. What in
the world are you.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
We had seven?
Speaker 5 (01:35):
I have support you go ahead, good, go ahead.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Oh my god, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
You have those ridiculous Hayden my son is a senior
in high school and he's like, I know masters, he
just he goes on there's these websites where the players
will ditch their stuff because they want to make a
little extra money on the side. So he's got gloves
from I don't know, he's probably got one hundred sets
of gloves from different teams and that I I just
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I'm like, oh, you know, I bet he has some
orgon gloves. So I just sprinted into his room before
we started and uh and found these little organ gloves here.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
So I'm just gonna bust your.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Chot very good.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Yeah, I don't think he has any IU gloves. I
don't know if those are a hot ticket item on
the on the black market.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
They are now football.
Speaker 6 (02:23):
Are now, buddy, Yeah, and it's anyway. So yeah, we
won that game somehow on the road. Kellen Clements had
three interceptions. Helodinado was an absolute monster in that game,
but somehow figured out a way to win.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
You know, just wanted the wanted to.
Speaker 6 (02:39):
Bring that one back and now looking to go back
into into Eugene and take care of business again.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
Buck, what do you think in that we're going to
get to the NFL? But I got to get your
take on where you think is gonna happen. And don't
just be nice because he's our friend.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Look, man, the Oregon teams that I've seen are hammering people.
And Dan Lannon will find something that you guys have
even put out in a tweet. You do anything, something, something,
something with the bias is something that offends his sensibilities
to have his team ready to go. I will say,
in a short time he has become one of the
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best football coaches uh in the college landscape. His ability
to not only get his teams up and going tactically,
but the motivational stuff did he uses?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
He finds it?
Speaker 4 (03:23):
So I know you've done something, Rhett, I know you've
uttered something. Somebody associated with Indiana has monitoring in this podcast,
disrespectful or nothing, and he is going to use that
little morsel, that little colonel to motivate his squad.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
But hey, the winner of this game be number one
in the country. I feel, well, anybody have to well,
anybody has well. No, I'm just saying, well, anybody have
two better wins than whoever wins this game. No, Indana
would happen because Illinois was a top ten win, right,
top ten wine, This would be a top ten win,
and we're Oregon State and then at the time on
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the road wide out top.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
Yeah, you know that's a great win.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
It's an incredible win. I would I mean, I would
agree with you.
Speaker 6 (04:07):
I think that those two top ten wins would be
better than anything we've seen in the country thus far. Now, look,
and I know the SEC has got some big games
this week, you know, in the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (04:18):
Yeah, let me just say this real quick about coaching,
because I know we love that kind of stuff and messaging. Honestly,
I think I feel like Dan Lanning is the millennial
Kurt Signetti. Like they when you think about the way
that they try to reach their teams. I mean, Dan
is like a little bit more up with today's kind
of culture, but like they are so similar in their
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approaches when you really dig into it, it's actually, I mean, honestly,
it's you know, two of the very top top top, top,
top top coaches in college football today. I don't think
you can really debate that at this point. With what
Signette's done at IU and what Dan Lanning continues.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
To do, I think that's fair. I absolutely think that's fair.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Well, everybody be watching excited for you man to have
your program and where they are. It's pretty cool. All right,
let's get into some NFL stuff. I'm gonna switch the
conversation over to you. That was a big win, man,
the Jacksonville Jackuary get a big w and a kind
of bizarre game. I tweeted out at the end that
was the drunkest game winning drive I think I've ever seen. Man,
That thing was nuts and ended up being finished off
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by a stumble rouski into the end zone for Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
DJ, I would say a few different things that were appearing.
When you're a team that doesn't play on Monday night
football to playing primetime games. The stage can be a
little big, and they create some frustration and a frenzy
feel to it. After the game, I had a long
conversation with Jordan Lewis, who came from the Dallas Cowboys,
and he talked about how everyone was out.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
Of source and he was looking around like what is
going on?
Speaker 4 (05:48):
But then we talked and he came to the realization
that in Dallas State always play on a primetime stage,
so you get comfortable in that environment knowing that the
football world is watching all the of the pomp and
circumstance that comes along.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
With playing Monday night games. The Jaguars hadn't been in
the Monday night game.
Speaker 4 (06:05):
They were on last year, but it was up in Buffalo,
but at home, it hadn't been since twenty twenty three
against the Cincinnati Bengals, and what it felt like everyone
was out of source, trying to do too much. At halftime,
lim Gohin told the team, everyone, take a deep breath,
calm down. We haven't played. Let's just play one play
at the time and see what it looks like. And
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in the second half you saw more of what the
Jacks have been playing like the first four weeks than
what we saw that first half, and I would say
that it still wasn't perfect.
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Trevor, to me.
Speaker 4 (06:37):
Needed to have this game on a national stage to
show people that look flawd or not, he can grind
it out. And he also discovered and the coach discovered,
he is one who needs to use his legs to
settle himself down. And I always think that's an underutilized
part of his game, but one that he needs to
lean into if he can lean into it, kind of
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like Pat Mahomes and some of the other guys lean
into it when they need it, not just as a crutch.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
The other thing, and while I'm.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
So confident going into the thing with Travis hunter Man,
there's some guys that you have on a team that just.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Bring the juice, and he is a juice player.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
When he touches the ball and gets it going, it
changes the energy in the stadium.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
He has to do it.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
And finally, Brian Thomas Junior catching the pass down the stretch,
that might be the moment that allows.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
Him to get back to playing at the level that
he played. And sometimes you just need to see that.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Big shot go through the hoop before you kind of
say and be like, okay, I knew how to do this.
That catch down the sideline was a big moment because
of the way that he fined off to the fender
but also made a tough.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Closer to catch it was close.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
He did, so that was one of the moments.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Yeah, to me, it felt like guys that Trevor Lawrence
was Josh Allen, like in the in someone on that
last drive.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
That's what that felt like to me, Like a guy
that just would not be denied.
Speaker 6 (08:07):
And how many times have we seen Josh Allen pull
that kind of rabbit out of his hat that way?
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I won't I won't lie.
Speaker 6 (08:15):
I certainly felt like at some point like how many
know how many seconds are we gonna leave on the
clock here at the very end right there was there
was that mindset a little bit, but like that play
man falling down twice getting stepped on, knowing that you
were you know, you're into what were they They woun't
have to spike it, right if they didn't because they
were out of time out No.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
No, they were out of timehouse. Look, I felt like
it was either second down, so they made to spike
and use it, but.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
You don't want to burn down. Yeah, and you didn't.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
You didn't want to use up all your stuff, And
then I would be honest. Patrick Mahomes is like Michael Meyer.
He's like Halloween. Oh he just keeps coming like he
And so you're looking at the clock like, now you
don't want to score too soon because I've seen this movie.
I've seen this happened too much here. It was a
lot going on. The credit to him having to whereverthal
to be able to put it into paint, because when
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he felt down, I was like, oh, man, of all
the things, this is the way that you go out.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
You found a way to get it in. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (09:12):
The other thing I'd say, DJ real quick is that
part of this part of that performance frustrates me a
little bit for the Jaguars because like, why can't we
see that on a more consistent basis from Trevor? You know,
I just like he makes some of those big time throws,
but like that killer instinct. Man, that felt like that
was on a different level last night.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Yeah, you got a different confidence level there than I did.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
I was watching that drive, looking at a delay game,
looking at the cocket, at him taking forever to snap
the ball. Looking at the close ups where I'm sitting
with my wife, and my wife is like, you know,
just a casual football watchers, like, he looks scared to death.
I'm like, I know it was nothing about that was
listening Josh Allen vibes for me. But they he made
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the big throw when he had to have it, and
after tripping twice, he got up and found his way,
you know, into the end zone. So I was glad
the way I'm I'm hopeful that this is this is
the result that will that will produce confidence. I am
not a belief that that was confidence that produced that result.
Speaker 5 (10:14):
If that makes any sense, it.
Speaker 3 (10:16):
Does make a lot of sense. And watching it weekly.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Look, man, if you come into the game and you
look at the stat line that he had, he was
at the bottom of everything. You know what I'm saying
when it comes to like the numbers, but sometimes you
have to find a way to win without the stats
being a big part of it.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
And DJ, I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
I looked up in the scoreboard at one point he
was twelve for sixteen, one hundred and sixty something yards
and whatever, and I was like, my eyes certainly did
not see the stadline like I noticed. Stadline is true,
but what I was seeing was not that because it
wasn't pretty. It wasn't one of those vintage performances that
you'll say.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
But I think he needed to get through that.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
And I'll say this, he is always going to be
saddled by the expectations that were put on him when
he won the national championship very early as a collegiate.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
He will never live up to that.
Speaker 4 (11:08):
He can be an upper echelone quarterback, a top eight quarterback,
maybe a top five quarterback, but the expectations that people
have for him, I don't know if you ever quite
get there. He just has to learn how to take
all that cast to the side and find a way
to do what he needs to do weekly to help
the team win games. Because look, he's going dirt dobbing
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some balls. The balls are gonna skip, he's gonna throw
some arrantly, and then he's going to come back with
a dime.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
That you can be like man.
Speaker 6 (11:41):
Experience, I mean, guess what it is full Trevor experience,
the glimpses of absolute you know, like brilliance, like those
type of moments. But in this one finding a way
to win, you know, like just figuring it out.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
You know, something to be said to that.
Speaker 5 (11:56):
Yeah, no doubt, big win and the Jags are in
a great spot.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
I got I got some DJ, because I don't know
if you have it available.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I would love to get your take. Devin Lloyder, did
Devin Lloyd report? I always did.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
A tall, rangy linebacker with the exemplary versatility and production
split time between lining up on the edge and an
inside linebacker against the pass. He can run a mirror
tight ends all over the field. He's very instinctive as
a zone dropper, able to anticipate drive and make plays
on the ball. His ball skills are special for a linebacker.
C pick six against Stanford. Lloyd is an effective blitzer
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off the edge, is playing a burst of clothes and
recavoc in the backfield against the run plays downhill, uses
length to playoff locks and collect tackles.
Speaker 5 (12:37):
Has great laddle.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Range, does have some stiffness in space, but as a
reliable tackler. I love Lloyd's play speed, passion, and aggression.
He has Pro Bowl potential. He was my thirteenth overall
player in that draft. Okay, DJ, so this is why
we've been doing this for so long. Buck, I had
that cueuede up because I knew you were going to
ask me for that.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Because DJ has been one of my biggest frustrations, feeling
like you that guy on the island, the Devin Lloyd Island,
Like hey man, I'm telling you guys, this guy can play. Yeah, yeah,
look man, he was splitting time. He was in a
competition with Venture Miller to be the starter this year.
(13:16):
And yeah, fourth round pick venture of Miller from Florida.
That's that's what the competition was. And one of the
things and I tweeted today that eighty to eighty.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Five percent of players in this league are system players.
Speaker 4 (13:26):
They got to be in the right system with the
right environment coaches to thrive. And he finally he's being
utilized like he was utilized in Utah and what.
Speaker 3 (13:35):
You're seeing as a result of that. Here's the dilemma.
Speaker 4 (13:38):
Though you didn't pick up the fifth year option, so
now's a free agent at the end of the year.
Not only do you have to make a decision on
whether you want to pay him, he has to make
a decision on whether he wants to chase the bag
or is he finally in a system that allows him
to do what he did so well at Utah. That's
(13:59):
where creating. He can't clout so many decisions that have
to be made to tag him, right, you can, it's
gonna be a hepty tag though.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Yeah, I mean right.
Speaker 4 (14:07):
But but we have four interceptions and a number of
splash plays in five games.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Uh, two defensive player of the Week awards, a Defensive
Player of the Month award.
Speaker 4 (14:17):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
The bag is getting bigger.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
So I would suggest you might want to put that
call into the agent today.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Well, you know, I would say, don't compound a mistake.
He didn't tag him, Okay, that was probably mistake number one.
Don't let him walk out the building though.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
You know that.
Speaker 5 (14:33):
Yeah, you find out you got to find a way
to make that work.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
But he is.
Speaker 5 (14:36):
It's interesting, Buck when you go back through and.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Look to the college stuff, because he was so instinctive
against the pass, and if you watch him so far
this year, and I do think some of that, some
of that tightness and stiffness will show up in some
of the change of directions, for sure. I think that's
still there.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
It does.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
But his eyes are so good. He's rangy and long
and that was kind of that. This was kind of
on the heels of Fred Warner and like, remember Shaq Leonard,
we were, Yeah, the league was trying to find these long,
rangy tremain edmonds Like that was you know, all the
rage and just took him a minute to kind of
find his footing and find his fit. But man, you're
seeing it a big time right now for the Jacks
(15:13):
on the chief side of things. One thing we had
talked about before, I've been arguing for Brishard Smith to
get more involved, Like they need more juice and explosiveness,
and it seems like every time they give him a
little something, he does something good with it. I just
don't know why they aren't getting him the ball even more.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, I was cursing you up under my breath when
they were throwing bubble screens and getting in the ball.
I was like, God, dog it. He's has been talking
to someone in the building like now they're gonna feature him.
He's beginning to make plays and you can see what
he can add to this offense. And look, this is
an offense that has interesting players. But I don't know
(15:48):
how the pieces of the puzzle fit together to make
it like a very cohesive unit.
Speaker 3 (15:53):
Like they have a fast guy and Davy Worthy. They
have Hollywood Brown who can make plays on occasion.
Speaker 4 (15:58):
They have Smith Travis Kelsey is kind of a freelance
player on third down. But it's a very unique team.
And the guy who goes together is Pat Mahomes. And
at some point they're going to have to figure out
a way to blend all the pieces together so Pat
Mahomes doesn't have to do everything. Dj I was exhausted
thinking about being Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
I don't know how you can sustain.
Speaker 4 (16:19):
It over a seventeen game season where he's having to
do everything, and I mean everything.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
R att Any take on Chris Jones in that little
video that's popping around. I mean not really yeah, just
kind of, I mean, not surprising, a bit circumstantial. You
get to the end of a long drive, your three
hundred plus pounds out there, you're a little bit gassed.
Speaker 5 (16:41):
I can get that. It's still it's just clip it
off the post and it's a bad look. It's by
a lot of the attitude stuff and from.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
How many yep yep, and I think you're seeing some
of that.
Speaker 6 (16:51):
I do wonder if there is something too, you know,
as that continues to kind of percolate there. But like
I think in a vacuum, you could probably find a
hundred clips like that around the league, you know what
I mean. So, like it's sometimes that's tough and he
gets amplified on social but like obviously you wouldn't. You
don't love to see that from a leader of the team, right,
(17:13):
or anybody really, but certainly a guy that's.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
That's as well thought of as that.
Speaker 6 (17:17):
But I thought, like overall, I don't think the I
don't think like the pressure from from the Chiefs defense
against Trevor Lawrence in this game was the problem, Like
they were constantly getting after him. There's plenty of other issues.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
Yeah, No, I'd be interesting to see where the Chiefs go.
I think they got Detroit, I believe next week.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yeah, Detroit next week. It's not get easier. So again, man,
it feels like this year more than any other, there's
no dominant team. It is wide open in both conferences.
It's all there for the taking. I think a lot
of it's going to come down to who can be
healthy and clicking at the end of the year.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
How about the Ravens, Like on the verge of maybe
one in five to start the year with the Rams
coming to town.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
This is the only thing about them is the only
thing about them is you kind of look at I
looked the schedule the other day and you can says
to win. They're gonna win like the last six games
and they're going to be like one game over five hundred,
be the last seed in the tournament, and probably nobody's
gonna want.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
To play them, you know at that point in time,
right the way it could work out.
Speaker 6 (18:11):
I mean, the division is not that far out of hand,
I guess, you know, like Pittsburgh's kind of still up
there at the very top.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
But speaking of the North, oh, the trade, Yeah, I'm.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
About the trade.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
They just went down, by the way, I put this
in the chat a little bit ago, but we were
cooking on the jag, so I want to play that out.
But hey, uh, this is here's my question. Is the
headline the national headline? And I'll buck I'll hit you
on this is the national headline? One of two options?
Is it should or Sanders moves up depth chart? Or
is it Joe Flacco traded in division to Bengals.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
What's the headline?
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Uh? Shoulders moves up dip chock. Depends on where you look.
I mean, I guess, I guess.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
On what show you're watching.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
I guess, right, well, it depends on what veteran they
go now out and acquire, right, Like, are they going
to get Snoopuntley?
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Then? For sure?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Sitting there at number two?
Speaker 6 (19:03):
You know, I don't know if they're you know, I
don't think you make that move to then go sign
another veteran, like another like Flaco esque veteran, right, I mean, like.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Man Joe Flacco. There's two things. I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Joe Flacco behind this offensive line gets me a little
little nervous.
Speaker 5 (19:22):
But also Joe Flacco just chucking.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
The ball down jam Higgins and Jamar Chase kind of
it sounds kind of fun.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
I mean, that is that is that is crazy.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Jake Browning kind of been doing that.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
I think I don't think Flacco can push that thing
a little more than I would say Browning can't. And
this is the trade conditions here. It's a six rounder
uh in exchange for a five, So they just pick
swap there. They move up around in the fifth, Browns
continue to add to their war chest of of assets
in next year's draft while they're playing all these young rookies,
(19:54):
including a quarterback in Dylan Gabriel. You had to do this, though, Buck,
if you're Cincinnati, you couldn't trot Browning out there the
week now.
Speaker 4 (20:00):
You couldn't you lose all your credibility, Like, at some
point you have to be committed to winning.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
And they were gonna win games with Jake Browning.
Speaker 4 (20:07):
And even though I was there in the building when
they won the only game that they played with him
at quarterback, it wasn't sustainable. And the league is kind
of saying, I mean just ridiculous, like because is particularly judicious. Yeah,
but but the offense hasn't changed, Like you haven't given
him a chance because you're running Joe Burrow's offense with
someone who's not Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
At some point you have to figure it out.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
And with Flacco, at least, if you're gonna put him
in Joe Burrow's offense and let him fling it. Uh,
he does have some success being able to throw it around.
The turnover is gonna be there, but it was either
gonna be Joe Flack or Jameis Winston. I wanted to
see one of those guys, someone that was just gonna
air it out. But the turnovers are gonna come and drove.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
Aren't they. Jamis and Joe like.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
This team after all this though, this team's two and
three and you look down the line here. They got
a couple of games with the ste I know the
Steelers record is what it is, but they haven't been,
you know, dominating team. Can you split with the Steelers.
You're gonna lose at the Packers this week. You know
you got a Jets game on there, a Bears game.
You know those are games you can be competitive and
potentially win. You got a Patriots game in there. I
(21:14):
know they're playing well, but you need to just try
and hover and hang around five hundred and hope that
Joe Burrow's toe has just got an unbelievable healing power
to get him back in time to try and save
the season. But at least this gives you a chance
to try and salvage this whole thing.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Look, you have to do something because you're losing confidence
by the day in the locker room. At least Joe
Flacca would give them a little bit of hope that
they can get back on track.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
All right, let's take a little break, we'll come back.
We've got a rookie draft to get to. We've also
got a little Coordinator of the week that will hit
as well, so we're back right after this. All right, guys,
let's take a look rookie draft coming up. Coming off.
Last week, there was a monster game from Arabuca. RTT
got some nice points there, Bucky I think was I
(22:00):
think collected a bunch of second place points here with Judkins,
Warren and Hunter all having solid days. I got a
big on the running back room though, Yeah, yeah, exactly,
I got genty, got me some points fifteen.
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Fannin did a nice job for me there. So we
are sitting here.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
I'm at twenty five rets at eighteen, BUCkies at seventeen,
so it's still pretty close. All jammed up in here.
So we got today's draft. We've got a couple of
teams out of the mix. So what he marks all apologies,
he's not available this week. Jayden Higgins also not available
with the buys. So RHTT, you are you are kicking
us off, Go ahead and take a buka so we
can get this train moving.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Well, hold on, we were also we're bringing back the
exclusive tight end position.
Speaker 1 (22:42):
Tighten, Yeah, tight end exclusively. So you have to have
a tight end, a running back and a wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Yeah, give me Tyler Warren.
Speaker 5 (22:50):
Oh he's back.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Oh wow, he's back. Maybe all right, I'll take it.
I'll take a book. I mean, I got no choice. Yeah, Buck,
you got two picks, my friend.
Speaker 4 (23:01):
Okay, So I'm gonna go with uh Fann and Junior
and uh, let's go with Uh.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
I'm gonna stick with it. Let's go at Travis hunder
the please see out of this weeken. I'm gonna go
to Travis Honer. Okay.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
Uh, hey, I'm gonna go Bill. Give me Bill off
last weeks. Gimme Crossy merrit here, just.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
As I had moved him out of the starting lineup
at all of my fantasy teams.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
He goes off. That's how it goes.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
That's how it goes.
Speaker 6 (23:29):
Okay, this is an interesting one, uh for the running back,
Like do we value quinch On Judkins going into Pittsburgh
against the Steelers team to run on the Steelers now,
but you also get the Raiders tightens to one and
fourteens Raiders back at home.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
With genty Gent's like all they got right now?
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Ours hurt.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
Yeah, yeah, I think, man, that's a tough one. I
think I'm gonna go with I gotta go with Genty.
I just gotta do it. I gotta go with Genty
there just based on volume at home against the Titans
(24:12):
is where I'm gonna go with that one. And then
I am back up and I need a receiver that front.
I feel like, let's go Teed McMillan, Tetarolla McMillan, t
mac Huh.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I'm gonna go Mason Taylor for my tight end like that.
I know they play the Broncos tough defense, but they'll
be chasing points and he's caught the ball. So we'll
go with Mason Taylor. Buck, you got the final pick.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
Okay, We'll finished with Brownie. Here we go, finish with
the brown I just all in on the Browns offense.
Let's go with uh, let's go with crush that Jakins
throw it all over again.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
I mean, I just love it.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
He's doulty. They got still.
Speaker 5 (24:54):
I like that team. All right.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
We'll see how these uh how these rookies fare this week,
and uh see where we go from there. Let's get
two our Oh, it's time for Hot or Not actually
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It's our coordinator of the week boys, and we're gonna
go Josh McDaniels. With the New England Patriots coming off
a big win, Drake May played outstanding. This is his
(25:17):
fourteenth season as a Patriots offensive coordinator through three stints,
so he's been in and out of there six times
super Bowl champ. That's pretty nuts, right to be able
to see late crazy six times super Bowl champ, twenty
fifth year in the NFL. You look at some of
these notes on him, Drake May on a hundred plus
passer rating four consecutive starts. He's playing great. In twenty
(25:38):
four this was passing offense was thirty second in the league.
They are up to eighth this year. So doing a
really nice job there. Obviously. You know, you go through
his his time with New England, then you jump away
be the head coach of the Raiders. That doesn't work, back,
doesn't work well, he comes back, then he goes he's
at the Rams way back in twenty eleven. That was
briefly jump over there after being the head coach of
(26:00):
the Broncos. So those are some of his other stops there,
but all that success has come with the New England Patriots.
So back, I'll hit you on this. Why has he
had such success with younger quarterbacks in his in his
stops he's been able to kind of get it out
of younger quarterbacks, including gotcha with Timp Deebo all the
way back in the day.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, Like, I.
Speaker 4 (26:18):
Don't know, man, Maybe he's just he just has a
unique way of working with those guys. We can teach him,
get him to understand the situational awareness to take the
check down to maximize like what the defense has given them.
It's such a weird thing because you would think someone
who had the kind of offenses that he had to
(26:39):
have the kind of success with quarterbacks would have had
a tremendous amount of success and quarterbacks.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
But for whatever reason, hasn't clicked.
Speaker 4 (26:44):
But I know now what he's doing with Drake May,
how he utilized Drake May, particularly into Buffalo Bills.
Speaker 3 (26:51):
Look, man, the stock is on the rise in terms
of Drake May.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Stock is on the rise because Josh mcgamer says a
clear vision where every wants to use his young.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Quarterback, right, I think Mac Jones thing. I mean, go
back to the success that Mac Jones had as a rookie. Yeah, yeah,
So I mean that one would be interesting one well.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
And I think you know, look, look we talk about
it all the time here, right, I mean, the play
caller is such a big part of the fit for
a rookie quarterback, for a young quarterback, and I think
there's there's stuff built into this offense that is friendly
for a young quarterback, right, I mean, get the ball
out of your hands. You know, there's some of those
(27:27):
you know, high completion percentage type of plays, type of
type of routes.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
I think they've done a pretty good job utilizing the
backs there.
Speaker 6 (27:36):
And then look, I think the pieces around Drake may
are kind of coming together more so, you know, this
year than we saw, you know, in his rookie season. Certainly,
Steffan Diggs got rolling, right. I Mean, was it just
that they were in Buffalo playing against them, I don't know,
but it felt like they they're starting to find, you know,
ways in which to get you know, get him going.
Hunter Henry had at a big couple of catches in
this game. The thing that I mean now We know
(28:00):
that Tonio Gibson's out for the rest of the year
with the ACL will continue to see Ramandre Stevenson. But
I just I got to think at some point Trayvon
Henderson becomes an X factor in this thing and becomes
a bigger.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
Piece of the puzzle.
Speaker 6 (28:12):
And maybe it's just a slow burn and a slow build,
but man, if that part gets going, watch out. And
I think you've got you've got some serious playmakers. Then
on this offense, yeah you got a nice the protection.
For goodness sake, your rookies are playing gyil tampble and
yeah they will.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
Wilson excuse me, fantastic.
Speaker 5 (28:32):
Yeah, they've done a nice job there.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
It's interesting that some of the classes that we talked about,
you know, right after the draft, I remember specifically saying, uh,
we love what the Patriots did with their rookies. We
love what the Browns did, yep, their rookies, and we
love what Seattle did with their rookies. All three of
those teams, those rookie classes have been as advertised, man,
that there's a big time impact from from all of
(28:54):
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Speaker 5 (29:05):
So there you go.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
There's our coordinator of the week in Josh McDaniels. Buck,
what is your what is your setup this weekend? Where
are the Jags going?
Speaker 3 (29:13):
And?
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (29:14):
And what are we looking at?
Speaker 3 (29:15):
Well? Jaggards?
Speaker 4 (29:16):
Yeah, no, no, the Jaguards are playing at home agains the
Seattle Seahawks, and so it's a big game, short turnaround,
short week.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Gotta figure out how to get that done.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
Uh. You still have Trayvon Walker's status is up in
the air, coming off for surgery.
Speaker 3 (29:29):
Uh. You hope to half him back because defensively they
need him.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
He is a monster off the edge and he helps
Josh anz all and find success.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah. So tough, tough turnaround, quick turning around. But we'll
see another good game.
Speaker 6 (29:40):
Hey, Buck, When an't we going to start taking base?
Shoal tooting in the rookie draft?
Speaker 4 (29:44):
Oh, I mean he's in the rotation, but Travis Atien
is killing it. He's like third in rushing. He's he's
averaging in the first half like eight point eight yards
per carry. So I mean when I see that.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
I can't. You can't just home it. I can do
the Homer dough. But he's closed. He had big he
has big returns. He just just hasn't popped yet.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
All right, guys, we're uh buck is uh literally I
think he's in a closet somewhere just efforting to get
this podcast and like that is a phenomenal effort on
his part.
Speaker 2 (30:16):
Rhet is fired up.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
I would love to keep this podcast going, but man,
my office is just freezing in here. I can't uh man,
I just gotta try and warm up a little bit here. Anyways, Hey, Rhet,
we'll be watching your school this week. Uh really rooting
for you there. Yeah, it feels like it, and I
hope that you can, uh yeah, really come through with
(30:39):
a big one.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
If nothing else.
Speaker 3 (30:41):
Those gloves like mediums, mediums like small, like.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
I don't know, I be honest. Yeah, yeah there you go.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
So there we go. Okay, hey go who's yours? Go
get them?
Speaker 5 (30:54):
Yeah, that's gonna do it for us, everybody. We'll see
you next time right here on move the sticks
Speaker 1 (31:03):
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