April 26, 2025 • 32 mins
On the latest episode of the Move the Sticks podcast, Bucky Brooks and Lance Zierlein break down all the biggest storylines from Day 2 of the 2025 NFL Draft. They kick things off by diving into the surprising fall of Shedeur Sanders, analyzing why the former Colorado quarterback has yet to hear his name called and what concerns might be giving NFL teams pause.
Then, the guys highlight a few of the teams making the most of their draft capital so far—namely the Patriots, Ravens, Cowboys and Bears —who've emerged as early winners through three rounds. (11:05)
The conversation then shifts to teams like the Cardinals, Seahawks, and Buccaneers, who’ve made some unexpected—but savvy—moves throughout the draft so far. (21:35)
Bucky and Lance close out the episode by spotlighting the top remaining prospects to watch heading into Day 3. (30:36)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to move sticks.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
I am Bucky Brooks and I'm sitting here with my
man Lance Z. We've just finished Night two of the
twenty twenty five NFL Draft, and Lance, I mean, there's
a lot of stuff going on. There are a lot
of dreams that are realized. But I think we would
be remiss if we don't start with the biggest story
of the day. Day two, rounds two and three go
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five quarterbacks have now been drafted. But when the fourth
round opens on Saturday, Carla, quarterback Shadur Sanders.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Will still be waiting to hear his name call.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yep, he'll still be waiting. And you know, it's a
different conversation today than it was at the end of
the day than it was at the beginning of the day.
At the beginning of day was football people saying, look
at these silly people on social media arguing about how
Shador Sanders was supposed to be a top ten pick
and they didn't watch tape and they and you know,
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and and really this is he fell out. But that
was that's for football reasons. Now, was there always a
concern about you know, maybe how he interviewed. Sure, is
there going to be some concern for some teams about
Dion Sanders and and his you know, this looming specter
of Dion if things don't.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Go well, you know, maybe maybe.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
But once we hit the second round, and Bucky you
and I talked about off the air, there was a
scenario where Shore Sanders could absolutely slide out of the
second round.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We knew that.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
We knew that, and then if he slid out the third,
that thought was a second then like what's to keep
him from sliding in the third. We we did think
Tyler Shuck could go ahead of him.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
That was possible.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Once you got all the way to the midway through.
Once he once he got past the Pittsburgh Steelers and
eighty three you you turned and said this, maybe this
may be a wrap form because Cleveland had passed on
him multiply.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
They pass on so many times that you couldn't envision
them taking him. And then I would say the nail
on the coffin or when you really went oh, is
when Dylan Gabriel, No disrespect to Dylan Gabriel quarterback coming
out of Oregon, when he's taken ninety fourth overall by
the Cleveland Browns, where bypassed on an opportunity to take
the quarterback. That's when you're like, hey man, there's a
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scenario where he may not get drafted today. But also
you're now beginning to wonder is he going to get drafted?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Period?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Because with the Raiders and the Browns bypassing them multiple times,
the Saint seemingly getting their guy. The Giants have gotten
their guy. The Seattle Sea Hawks take Jalen mill Roll,
who's left like now it's a free fall where going
in the day three in the fourth round. If he
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goes in the fourth round, we talk about developmental prospect.
Anyone taking a guy where we're just throwing darts. To
think about him being in that scenario where you're just
throwing darts, where does he go? And the other thing
and look, it reminds me of the Tim Tebow thing,
right when Tim Tebow was out there and despective Tim
Tebow joining your squad. So much noise, so much perceived distractions.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Which team it was a distraction though, don't you think
with Tim Tebow says everything? Every time Tim we got
sick as a fan, I was so sick and a
media member hearing about Tim Tebow every time, like, guys,
this is not the story.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
And so is that going to be the thing, Because
when sherdurs end is when he gets picked, is the
first thing that happens.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Media members arena say, does he have a chance to start?
Do you have this? What kind of situation do you have?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I'm looking at a situation where it has to be
someone that's so interested as the starter that he's a
non factor when it comes to them bringing him in
and doing that. And so it's Look, it's a fun
and not a fun but a very fascinating story to watch.
I would say one that I don't know if I've
ever seen a notable name like this experienced kind of
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slat when yeah, it wasn't a conversation going in.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
What's not medical? Right, there's nothing. There's nothing criminal. There's
nothing medical that we know of. Now let's you know,
let's just tell it all. He didn't compete at all
in the Shrine game, Okay, right, he didn't work out
at the combine. Okay, didn't throw at the combine, not
the first player not to that. That's not that's not
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that big a deal. Didn't do anything at the Big
twelve Pro Day, Pro Day, okay, and then he finally
had his own showcase day. I do think that the
specter of everything being larger about it being about Shadeur.
You know, Travis Hunter Dean put lots of platitudes and
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he won the Heisman Trophy. He did I mean he did,
but he did. He did that. But the other thing was,
you know, Dian always mentioned Travis every time he mentioned
sud Or. It's not like Travis, but there was something
that felt like, you know, there was a push that
tra that Shadoor was bigger than the team. And that's
something that will really turn teams off. The fact that
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he went after his offensive line. A year ago in
a twitch stream, I talked to an assistant GM who
told me that was a big turn off for him
because in the NFL, you got to say it's your
fault even when it's not your fault. Like I got
to do a better job of getting rid of the
ball because you're protecting your guys, because your offensive line.
It's a brotherhood between the quarterback and the offensive line.
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And I think this is a more complicated and more
nuanced conversation that you and I can have the general
public just really can't have it in social media setting.
It requires a lot more conversation because there's a lot
more that goes into it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
It's a lot of nuance.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And back in the day, we would talk about the
quarterback position being presidential in terms of being very regal
in nature, very regal in how you handed yourself on
the field, all to field, impress conferences, in those things.
And he Shadur is a very confident, very brash, very
in your face, like he's different.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
He grew up in the seven oh seven era.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Well, these things are very commonplace, like the watch celebration,
that's very commonplace. If you go to any seven h
seven event, you see these kinds of things. But we're
not necessarily used to seeing a quarterback who is like that.
And I will say this, and it would be interesting
to fast forward to twenty twenty six and if Arch
Manning is in the draft and the things that we
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talk about in terms of Dion and the family and
all of this other stuff, do you get the same
kind of sense and sentiment, Because remember, the Manning family
was very outspoken about Eli going to a place in
those things, and early in the process Dion talked about,
wanted to make sure that a we won't go to
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these places, we want to go there and this, and
the tables have turned. And you just wondered when that
conversation came out there, how to coaches receive it, how
to gms and management officials receive it, and those things.
And now the leverage isn't with the player, the leverages
with the team.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And as we go into the.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Fourth round, man, you are hopeful as opposed to a
guy that is certain to make the team when you're
a top prospect.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I can tell you from talking to NFL personnel people,
there is a concern right now. This isn't a shadeur.
This is a general conversation. There is a concern right
now with entitlement on the college level because of NIL,
because it's gotten so out of control so fast. It's
gone from zero to one hundred miles an hour, and
the amount of money that's there, and the stories you
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hear behind the scenes with players becoming really really difficult,
the ability to leave any time you want, the transit.
It's a constant state of free agency. There is a
belief by NFL teams that players are becoming more difficult
to deal with. And this is and it really is
only this is only like the third year that we've
seen in NIL, so it's still very very early. But
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I do think that there you are going to see
more and more teams who are going to try to
figure out who the more entitled ones, who the I
don't know if I want to say spoiled or whatever,
but the guys who are in it for the NIL
and who are in it for football. I believe shit
Or Sanders loves football. I think he loves football on tape.
To me, he's the second round talent. He's the second
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best quarterback in this draft. I think he's got tremendous
His confidence, to me, is a huge plus. Now some
of it's too extra. Oh it just it just is.
I mean, let's just be real. Some of it is
too much. You got to dial some of that back.
I don't mind brash, I don't mind confidence. I don't
mind cocky Aaron Rodgers stuff, all that stuff. Baker Mayfield
rubbed people the wrong way. You can do it when
you're bawling out on a high level in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But it didn't impact Baker when it came to the
draft no impact.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well, and see I heard stuff behind the scenes like
it seemed he left in the middle of the seat,
you know, like that bothered me.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
But but he's not the first one. Joey Harrington has
some stuff where he does. It could have been hard
to deal. It didn't stop teams from taking him third overall.
And I do understand talent brings tolerance, and we talked
about him not having the elite tools in those things.
But I'm just telling you I never thought that it
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would be a situation where he falls. Can we have
a third and so look, don't want it to overshadow
like the night of so many guys realizing their dreams,
but man, we have to at least address what was
look early in the process. We're talking about two quarterbacks
who was going to be number one. To have the
guy who was in that conversation not only completely fall
out of the first round, but to not be taken
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in the first three rounds, to me, it makes it
a more significant story.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, and you and I have both been censored of
the fact that good football players have not had enough
conversation in this process.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Of leading up because we talked about it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Because everything's been should or should or should do and
it's not fair to cam Ward first and foremost. Cam
Ward deserved way more to not get enough shots, not
get enough shine.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
This is different.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, the conversation we're having now is how did it
happen and what happens now. The reason that happened is
going to be different for different teams. Some teams probably
didn't like the football player as much. He's you know,
he's not he's mobile in the pocket, he's not. He's
not a fast escapability guy. He takes too many sacks,
holds onto the ball too long. But you know, there's
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been a lot of players have held them.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
There's a lot of players. You know.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
For everything that you can say, there's a counter to it.
So that's why it's I think it's I.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Mean, and my point is this, like when we talk
about the league and everyone talks about these hot standards,
we have seen players like Tim Boyle play seven years
in the league, who was a player who didn't have
nearly the accomplishment of your sanders, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So like that's where I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I mean, like I mean, their their career backups, they
just stay out the case Kingdom, Well in case.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Case, and so that's the thing, and so we'll get
to it. We'll see where it ends up on day three.
But I got to ask you, when you look at
the first three rounds and you look at teams that
have put in work, who are some of the teams
that kind of that you're impressed with what they've been
able to do so well.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I like the Patriots had a philosophy, an idea of
what they wanted to do. Had a conversation with an
NBA former NBA general manager and I was talking about
the team that he used to work for and what
it was like, and he said, you know, even though
we had a great organization, the thing that bothered me
was every once in a while we'd be on the
draft clay and he said, there's only two rounds for us.
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He said, we'd be on the board and all of
a sudden, there's hesitation in the room where we thought
we were all on the same page. So I think that,
and Bucky, you've been in those rooms. I think good
organizations understand this is our philosophy, this is what we're doing,
and the stick to it on draft day and you
don't waffle I look at the Patriots and it's interesting
because they brought because Mike ray Bull came in and
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brought who's his guy, Ryan Calton, Yeah, Ryan Calden. Elliott
Wolf was already there, Alonso high Smith was already there.
So the two groups blended together, and it looks like
they have a really ironed out, well thought out plan.
Offensive tackle. First pick of the draft, you know, fourth overall.
They know they had to have tackled. They did it there.
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Trayvon Henderson got a terrific running back and an explosive
playmaker in the second round, and a third round they
went and got a guy who can stretch the field
and Kyle Williams silky smooth wide receiver. And then at
the back end the they traded back and they still
were able to add Jared Wilson in an athletic center. There,
so two offensive linemen and then skilled position players. I
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wouldn't be surprised if the second round. You know, they've
got three picks in the fifth, two and a seventh
one and a fourth they're gonna mix and match and
move up. I'm sure at least once, maybe twice, But
I'll bet you tomorrow's completely defense and I think that's
probably a philosophy and a discussion that they had in
their meetings. I like that for the Patriots, they needed
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a lot of help, and I think they maneuvered around
pretty well and they did what they were supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
It's funny because I feel like this team always gets
a lot of love on Draft Day a draft weekend,
but the Baltimore Ravens, and we've been in this game
long enough to know that the Baltimore Ravens do what
they do.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
They just sit and pick, They wait for good players
to fall.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
We always talk about draft boards being like snowflakes and
that nobody has guys ranked in the same order, and
the Baltimore Ravens appeared always, I would say, feast on others' mistakes.
And so the fact that they're able to get Malachot
Starks early in the first round and then they come
back and on day two, like they get Mike Green.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Mike Green's the top six.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I mean, like he was the guy that we talked
about being a top twenty pick, someone that we knew
had sack production led the country in sacks. You saw
the fights inness, you saw him come off the edge
the physicality and toughness, all those things. And here you
are in the second round and he's right there in
the Baltimore Ravens scoop them up.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Are you just like?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Here they go again and doing what they do, and
then later they come and get Emry Jones. I'm talking
from LSU, just another guy that kind of fits their thing.
The one thing that always stands out great organizations. They
understand their identity and they always pick players that suit
their identity.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And when you're strong and have strong leadership, you can
take guys that and you know, Mike Greenfell, there's some
character stuff, but from what I understand, it's nothing that's
gonna like. I don't think there's a concern about the person,
the type of player he is. They just got a
discounted from what I can tell, they got a discounted
first rounder later in the second round, and they don't
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overthink it. That's one of the things about the Ravens.
Malachi Starks, you're not trying to well, if we get
NICKI man, worry, what we're gonna be able to do
is we're gonna be able to be more.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Multiple with dark.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
They just said, how about we go get a Kirby,
smart player, who's a good tackler, who's mentally tough and
who fits the Raven way. And NICKI man worry has
all this talent, but sometimes he turns it off a
little bit, like it can go off and on, off
and on. In terms of the motor, he's got to
get himself, you know. Uh, when he's properly motivated, Man,
that guy's a monster. Malaka starts, never turns it off.
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He's just ready to play all the time. And that's
and he's a Raven. And I think what you said
exactly right, Like they don't they don't overthink things. They say,
here's a good football player, take them. And when you
have a strong locker room, you can also take a
few more chances too. That's something else that should be noted. So, yeah,
the Ravens did a great job. I think, you know,
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looking at the looking at the draft board, I made
mention of the Texans going with Jayden Higgins in the
second round. They got to tackle Ariante Ursri, who we'll
see how he plays. I have some some concerns about him.
He doesn't play as fluidly as he tests at tackle.
Jalen Noel is really explosive slot receiver from Iowa State,
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and then Jalen Smith, the cornerback. And what's interesting there
is the Texans are saying, we need to get more
weapons for CJ.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Stroud.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
We lost to Von Diggs. Tank Dell's out for this
year and who knows if he'll ever come back, And
so the Texans immediately said, we're not waiting. We can't
afford to piecemeal this over two years. We'll go get
two wide receivers this year and they're both going to
have to play. I mean, John Menchi's gonna have to
fight for his job. Xavier Hutchinson, you know, this guy's
going to have to fight for his job. Justin Watson
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came in, who's a reliable fourth, fifth wide receiver. So
Texans not only wanted more competitiveness at that position, competition
at that position. I think they got these two guys
to play a lot of snaps. To be honest with you,
and when you're in the AFC, you got to deal
with Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and Joe Burrow and
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teams that can put up a lot of points. And
so Nick Cassario basically said, hey, we cannot sleep on
wide receiver. We cannot wait until next year. We got
to get him right now.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, I mean, look, they are doing a really good
job of kind of loading up doing it. We talk
about the best team, understand who they are, and they
make sure that they kind of stick to the script.
And I would say that it's funny for us to
talk about the Dallas Cowboys in this vein, but they
done a really solid job of sticking to what really
works for them. Early the first night, we saw them
get Tyler Booker, someone who's a straight bully at the
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point of attack, you see the video and those things.
And then tonight they go and get Donovan as Araku,
who can come off the edge.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
They need pass rushing help.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
And first second type attack first.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I mean, and you just see where, okay, the combinations
are gonna start to come and how they're gonna be
able to get after it. You think about Matt Eberflus
coming back and he wants to kind of get to
playing the style where hey, they're playing fast and they're
getting after it and it's simplistic. As Iraku brings that
energy and then Chavan, I mean just being able to
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be the big corner. You think about that Tampa two
style that they can jump into in some of those
things zone corner, and I just think about his side
with Trayvon Diggs on the other side, and the ball
skills and the length and how they can challenge guys.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
In different ways. To me, the Dallas Cowboys have just
been rock solid when it comes to their picks.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Bears had four picks in the first sixty two. Colston
Lovelin we talked about in the first round. Luther Burden,
another first round discount player. In the second round, I
thought he was a first round talent.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I just I think you.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Have to look past the short throws this year and
you have to go back and watch twenty twenty three
and twenty twenty four intermediate and deep throws to see
what he can be in an offense. It's different than
the denk and dunk catch and run stuff that Missouri ran. Hey,
it was great to take advantage of Burden's ability after
the catch, but that's not all he is. I think
he's capable of doing a lot more than that, and
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so you know Caleb Williams is going to give him
an opportunity to show that. In Rome with Douonzay being
on one side is also going to give him a
chance to, you know, for the Bears to get creative,
for Ben Johnson to get creative. Remember that all the
offensive picks here. Ben Johnson, well, I thought was a mastermind.
I mean I had a lot of respect for everything
he did, his play calling, his vision for Jamier Gibbs
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and everything he did. He comes into the Bears and
immediately grabs a different tight end not named Tyler Warren
Colston Lovelin, who I think is a more athletic, maybe
a little higher ceiling pass catcher, and then Luther Burden,
who you know, frankly I thought was the best wide
receiver not named Travis Hunter in this draft. So now
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the next also on the second, they got Ozzie Trapillo.
He is a right tackle only, so I'm not sure
right now he'll probably play swing. They should be okay
this year with Braxton Jones at left at Darnell Right
on the right side, but at some point they're gonna
expect Tropilla to take over. So I do question whether
or not he can play on the left side, or
if Darnell Wright can play on the left side.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
That would be a.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Question I have Shamar Turner I like a lot, a
little bit undersized as a three technique, But you remember
another undersized three technique from a weight standpoint, Tommy from Oklahoma,
Tommy Harris.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Tommy Harris, Yeah, Tommy Harris. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I'm going way way back. But he was a two
hundred ninet pound guy that can get up the field
and disrupt. I think Shamar Turner is a really underrated player.
I like Shamar Turner a lot. I think the Bears
have done a nice job. You get four picks in
the first sixty two, you better do a good job.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Now let's go to the New York Giants, and even
though they only made one selection tonight, I think it's
the combination of who they added Darius Alexander to a
front line that has been fortified with the pick of
Abdul Carter, and then I think about Alexander, Carter, Dexter,
Lawrence Keavon, Tipadeau, Brian Burns, the New York Giants and
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now cooking with gas on defense. And when the Giants
have been the Giants, it's because their defense has led
the way I now see a front line d ken
impose their will on opponents with some of the size
and athleticism and the attributes and then look Jackson Dart.
I understand Jackson Dart because Brian Dayball and Joe Shane
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both spent time in Buffalo. And when you have the
kind of success that they each had in Buffalo with
a quarterback like Josh Allen, I can see that kind
of setting your north star.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
That is kind of what you're looking for.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Physical quarterback that can run, that can do some things
that gives them Jackson Dart.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So through two days, I think they're solid. Yeah, the
quarterback has to play.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Ye at a high level, but opinions, but we've got
to let them play.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah, they're a much better team because they were able
to kind of stick to build up the defense and
then they were able to get the quarterback that they want.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
You know, Bucky, the Cardinals have a real boom bust
draft working right now. My two six point five grade
players boom bus grades both landing on the Cardinals, Walter
Nolan and Will Johnson. Walter Nolan is a really explosive
three down player, but at A and M there were
questions that dogged him about his you know, his professionalism
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so to speak, his his work ethic off the field. Now,
I was not challenged when he was on the field,
but people I talked to you over there just said,
you know, I'll trying to get out of practice here
and there and wanting to stand the the you know,
stay in the in the trading room here and there,
and why does this guy not practice and stuff like that.
But it wasn't a football issue. There's nothing criminal with him.
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There's nothing anything like that. But Walter Nolan went sixteenth,
probably could have gone top eight, top nine, something like that,
maybe even higher. Actually I haven't even higher grade. So
he's there. Really talented, though. Will Johnson goes forty seventh.
A little bit of a knee issue that is a consideration.
Never ran never ran a forty time, and teams thought
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he's a little bit slow. Never ran a forty, so
we're not sure there. Jordan Birch, Jordan Birch is your
third round pick. He's two hundred and ninety pounds, looks
the part but is not real and he's a great
He's a great athlete. Better rusher than run defender. I
want him to be tougher at the point of a
time as a run defender. I want him to show
more grit and tenacity on a regular basis. If you
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don't have that in the NFL, you flame out quickly.
Like grit and tenacity or something that you just have
to have, and that's something Jordan Birch is gonna have
to have. From a talent standpoint, off the charts, Cardinals
talent is off the charts. Consistency wise, I would argue,
no one's very consistent. Will Johnson when he played, was
very consistent. But you gotta worry about speed. And then
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Jordan Birch has gotta you gotta light a fire on him.
He's got to put a little glass in that diet,
be a glass muncher and be a little bit you know,
and just be a little saltier I think to play
in the NFL because these are these are tough guys,
it helps to have a little glass.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
In your diet.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
So it's funny because I know, you know, Chris Ballet
will and we've always been able to talk about ballot
likes the athletic freaks, and so we've always been to
kind of identify the Indianapolis Colts. Well, I'm gonna say
John Side in the Seattle Seahawks, they certainly like to
drink from that same water trough. When you look at
what they've been able to do, Like first they go
and get Gray's Abel in the first round, so that
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was Thursday night. But then to come back and you
look at who they've taken today.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Nick emm and Worry from.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
South Carolina, freak show athlete put on a show at
the combat was really the star of the combat, King
of the combine.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
We can call him Elijah Arroyo.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Think about the talent, the tools that he brings to
the tight end position and how he can be that
flexed in to get open down the middle of the
field for Sam Donald. And then you top it off
with Jalen Murroe, who is the freak show of all
freak shows.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
At quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
The talent and the tools were there in terms of
man he is an elite running back playing quarterback with
big time arm talent. In terms of being able to
push it down the field, John Snyder is banking on
the traits. These tools are going to translate into production
and that is going to help us get over the top.
And you see it particularly in their day two picks.
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They went big on a prototype. Yeah, I thought they
had a good I thought they had a good day.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And Jalen Milroe is just so intriguing to me because, look,
I don't love him as a quarterback based on what
I saw, I thought he was more like a fourth round.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Pick, a backup.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
But the thing that you can't handicap is players who
have dynamic speed, like you can't game plan for it. Defensively,
you can, but it's more on the college level, on
the high school level. On the pro level, you can't
really do that as long as you're not too predictable.
As an offense. It's really hard to handle quarterbacks who break, contain,
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break the pocket, or can run because now nowadays teams
will just direct snap and it turns into power and
they're around the corner. And I mean, Jalen Milroe could
turn into a first down getter when you're in third
and short as a rookie, they could do something like
that with it. I'm not convinced that you can't run
some Taysom Hill type stuff with him early on in
his career and just find ways to get him to
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ball and you see if he can be explosive. Now
that doesn't mean I don't think like he's certainly worth
developing see if you can develop the footwork, the timing,
the decision making. But he's just a special, special athlete,
you know, Bucky. When you get the five star and
you see it, five star ath coming out of high school,
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everyone wants to draft, everyone wants to recruit those guys.
You get the five star atch and we will figure
it out and we get it. Maybe it'll be a corner,
maybe it'll be a quarterback, maybe it'll be a wide receiver,
running back. He's like one of these special five star
athletes that yeah he's a quarterback, but we just want
him in the building because you got to figure out
how we're going to use him. We just know there
aren't many like him. There's maybe been one two other ones,
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Vic and Lamar Jackson. I don't know anyone else that
runs like those guys.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
No, And the thing is, I would ask Alabama. I
don't know why they didn't run him more. To be honest,
I'm with you. That's the thing. Like when people made
the comparison to Lamar Jacks, Lamar Jackson had fifteen hundred
yard seasons back to back. Jayson Milroe didn't touch the
ball enough to fully max out his running skills. And
I would like to see what the Seattle Sears are
able to do. The good thing about their situation with
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Drew Locke already in the building to back up Sam Donald,
this is one where they actually have an opportunity to
play and have fun.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
They have a chance to really develop him.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
He can be on the scout team kind of working
and being the other team quarterback while also working on
his game, and then next year we can kind of.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
See if he can be a special player.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
But you're right, you would like to think they want
to put the ball in his hands and see if
they can get something out of them. Last team that
I want to bring up Tampa Buccaneers and the Buccaneers
I just love it. Look I'm dB tonight. They were
able to get Benjamin Morrison and then they get Jacob
pet Both those guys. Both of those guys to me
are plug and play starters in any situation and in
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Todd Bowles defense where they want to zone blitz, they
want to bring pressure, they want to hang these guys
in these match zones where they're playing three dep and
some of this other exotic stuff. Both of these guys
not only have the instincts and awareness and high Q
to do it, but man, their physical tools should allow
them have a lot of success in the defense.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
And what about my last one is going to be
Darren Is.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
It's pronounced Mogi right mass from the Jets, You're jests.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
He and Aaron Glenn, the new head coach I thought
so far, have done a fantastic job. They get armand Membu,
who is I think a plug and play starting right
tackle to position. They really need Mason Taylor, who I
loved tight end out of LSU that I think will
come in and immediately help justin fields there. And then
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azaria A Thomas, a press, a physical press man corner
who's tough to throw over, and who is you know,
can really deal with the slower wide receiver. You know,
if you're not a quick, shifty wide receiver, if you
let him travel with big wide receivers, that's one of
those big wide personal matchup guy. I would not have
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him on one side, Buck, I would travel him if
you're gonna play man and man and make sure you
keep him on the right kind of matchups. So there's
gonna be some matchups that aren't great for him, I think,
But you know, he's pretty good at press, at getting
his hands on people and slowing him down. So I
think the Jets did a really nice job with their
three picks they had at first, a second, and a third,
but I thought they got really solid value and early
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contributors from all three. All three of those guys.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
You know, the big thing with the Jets, I want
to see Aaron Glenn and talked about one to have
that three headed monster at running back.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Maybe they find a.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Guy that they can throw into the rotation because with
Breeze Hall, Brandon Allen, if you can find another guy
they really want to get after and run the football
and be physical. With Justin Fields, who's will call him
half a running back, they can be pretty dynamic. Yeah
he is offensity with their running game.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah yeah, Jets are. They could be interesting next year.
It's not like they don't have talent. The Jets have talent.
They picked seventh because things just fell apart on them
last couple of years. But the Jets, the Jets could
be a problem by next year if Justin Fields, you know,
can have it really an above average year. So, especially
if they keep drafting like this, one team to keep
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an eye on for tomorrow. I think is going to
be the San Francisco forty nine ers. They have a
billion draft picks. They've got eleven picks in this draft.
They've already picked four players. They got two forced, two fists,
three sevens, three sevens. They're they're not going to use
two forces and two fists. They're going to figure out
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exactly who they want and they will use those draft
picks to get four picks will turn into two and
they'll get two guys that they love.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
That's what they're gonna do. Ye knows. Let's see if
there's anybody that is available.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Like anybody that you're brewing on that you think could
be or should be coming off the board pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Well, Bucky, I would say, you know, I'll start at
running back Dylan Samson and bea Shaal Tooton or two
running backs that I think should come off the board
fairly quickly. Actually, this is a great running back draft.
You got Trevor et Tien and Jayden Blue, two guys
who can explosive plays out of the backfield. Trevor Ettien,
I think is a little more dynamic in terms of
three downs. Cam Scattabo, everyone's favorite. I know you're a fan.
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I am too. I think he's a good football player.
Every time you watch him. He's the hardest guy to tackle.
It's Ashton gent and then Cam Scattaboy. Those are the
two hardest running backs to tackle in college football. I
think those are guys to keep in mind to keep
an eye on. Where Will Quinn yours and should Or
Sanders fall and Kylin McCord, Will Howard, Riley Leonard. These
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are name guys. It's going to be interesting to see
where they end up. On the defensive side of the board.
I think guys to keep him an eye on would
include Danny Stutzman, good linebacker, very good tackler from Oklahoma.
Josh Farmer, the big defensive tackle from Florida State. Fourth
rounds about where he should go. Brayden Swinson pass pass
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rusher from LSU, and Darren Sorel pass rusher from Texas.
These are some of the guys I can tell you
the defensive tackle this this is gonna be filled with
defensive tackles tomorrow, edge rushers. We'll see a big run
on the running backs, and you're about to see a
ton of linebackers start coming off the board. We're gonna
be here for every pick of every round, we're gonna
say a lot of linebackers' names, a lot of defensive
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tackles names, and a lot of running back names.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
A lot of running backs.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Day three is about developmental players, special team standouts, guys
that are going to have to make the team by
doing it on the third phase of the game.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
And so look, we look forward to everyone coming back.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
We're gonna have a rap up show at the end
of the weekend where we talk about all the things
that took place over draft weekend. Until then, make sure
you check out all the coverage NFL Media, NFL Network,
NFL dot Com. Until next time, I'm Bucky Broksest Lancy
and this what's moved to stick
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Welcome to move sticks.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
I am Bucky Brooks and I'm sitting here with my
man Lance Z. We've just finished Night two of the
twenty twenty five NFL Draft, and Lance, I mean, there's
a lot of stuff going on. There are a lot
of dreams that are realized. But I think we would
be remiss if we don't start with the biggest story
of the day. Day two, rounds two and three go
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five quarterbacks have now been drafted. But when the fourth
round opens on Saturday, Carla, quarterback Shadur Sanders.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Will still be waiting to hear his name call.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yep, he'll still be waiting. And you know, it's a
different conversation today than it was at the end of
the day than it was at the beginning of the day.
At the beginning of day was football people saying, look
at these silly people on social media arguing about how
Shador Sanders was supposed to be a top ten pick
and they didn't watch tape and they and you know,
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and and really this is he fell out. But that
was that's for football reasons. Now, was there always a
concern about you know, maybe how he interviewed. Sure, is
there going to be some concern for some teams about
Dion Sanders and and his you know, this looming specter
of Dion if things don't.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Go well, you know, maybe maybe.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
But once we hit the second round, and Bucky you
and I talked about off the air, there was a
scenario where Shore Sanders could absolutely slide out of the
second round.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
We knew that.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
We knew that, and then if he slid out the third,
that thought was a second then like what's to keep
him from sliding in the third. We we did think
Tyler Shuck could go ahead of him.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
That was possible.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Once you got all the way to the midway through.
Once he once he got past the Pittsburgh Steelers and
eighty three you you turned and said this, maybe this
may be a wrap form because Cleveland had passed on
him multiply.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
They pass on so many times that you couldn't envision
them taking him. And then I would say the nail
on the coffin or when you really went oh, is
when Dylan Gabriel, No disrespect to Dylan Gabriel quarterback coming
out of Oregon, when he's taken ninety fourth overall by
the Cleveland Browns, where bypassed on an opportunity to take
the quarterback. That's when you're like, hey man, there's a
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scenario where he may not get drafted today. But also
you're now beginning to wonder is he going to get drafted?
Speaker 2 (02:27):
Period?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Because with the Raiders and the Browns bypassing them multiple times,
the Saint seemingly getting their guy. The Giants have gotten
their guy. The Seattle Sea Hawks take Jalen mill Roll,
who's left like now it's a free fall where going
in the day three in the fourth round. If he
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goes in the fourth round, we talk about developmental prospect.
Anyone taking a guy where we're just throwing darts. To
think about him being in that scenario where you're just
throwing darts, where does he go? And the other thing
and look, it reminds me of the Tim Tebow thing,
right when Tim Tebow was out there and despective Tim
Tebow joining your squad. So much noise, so much perceived distractions.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
Which team it was a distraction though, don't you think
with Tim Tebow says everything? Every time Tim we got
sick as a fan, I was so sick and a
media member hearing about Tim Tebow every time, like, guys,
this is not the story.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
And so is that going to be the thing, Because
when sherdurs end is when he gets picked, is the
first thing that happens.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Media members arena say, does he have a chance to start?
Do you have this? What kind of situation do you have?
Speaker 3 (03:39):
I'm looking at a situation where it has to be
someone that's so interested as the starter that he's a
non factor when it comes to them bringing him in
and doing that. And so it's Look, it's a fun
and not a fun but a very fascinating story to watch.
I would say one that I don't know if I've
ever seen a notable name like this experienced kind of
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slat when yeah, it wasn't a conversation going in.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
What's not medical? Right, there's nothing. There's nothing criminal. There's
nothing medical that we know of. Now let's you know,
let's just tell it all. He didn't compete at all
in the Shrine game, Okay, right, he didn't work out
at the combine. Okay, didn't throw at the combine, not
the first player not to that. That's not that's not
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that big a deal. Didn't do anything at the Big
twelve Pro Day, Pro Day, okay, and then he finally
had his own showcase day. I do think that the
specter of everything being larger about it being about Shadeur.
You know, Travis Hunter Dean put lots of platitudes and
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he won the Heisman Trophy. He did I mean he did,
but he did. He did that. But the other thing was,
you know, Dian always mentioned Travis every time he mentioned
sud Or. It's not like Travis, but there was something
that felt like, you know, there was a push that
tra that Shadoor was bigger than the team. And that's
something that will really turn teams off. The fact that
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he went after his offensive line. A year ago in
a twitch stream, I talked to an assistant GM who
told me that was a big turn off for him
because in the NFL, you got to say it's your
fault even when it's not your fault. Like I got
to do a better job of getting rid of the
ball because you're protecting your guys, because your offensive line.
It's a brotherhood between the quarterback and the offensive line.
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And I think this is a more complicated and more
nuanced conversation that you and I can have the general
public just really can't have it in social media setting.
It requires a lot more conversation because there's a lot
more that goes into it.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
It's a lot of nuance.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
And back in the day, we would talk about the
quarterback position being presidential in terms of being very regal
in nature, very regal in how you handed yourself on
the field, all to field, impress conferences, in those things.
And he Shadur is a very confident, very brash, very
in your face, like he's different.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
He grew up in the seven oh seven era.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Well, these things are very commonplace, like the watch celebration,
that's very commonplace. If you go to any seven h
seven event, you see these kinds of things. But we're
not necessarily used to seeing a quarterback who is like that.
And I will say this, and it would be interesting
to fast forward to twenty twenty six and if Arch
Manning is in the draft and the things that we
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talk about in terms of Dion and the family and
all of this other stuff, do you get the same
kind of sense and sentiment, Because remember, the Manning family
was very outspoken about Eli going to a place in
those things, and early in the process Dion talked about,
wanted to make sure that a we won't go to
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these places, we want to go there and this, and
the tables have turned. And you just wondered when that
conversation came out there, how to coaches receive it, how
to gms and management officials receive it, and those things.
And now the leverage isn't with the player, the leverages
with the team.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
And as we go into the.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Fourth round, man, you are hopeful as opposed to a
guy that is certain to make the team when you're
a top prospect.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I can tell you from talking to NFL personnel people,
there is a concern right now. This isn't a shadeur.
This is a general conversation. There is a concern right
now with entitlement on the college level because of NIL,
because it's gotten so out of control so fast. It's
gone from zero to one hundred miles an hour, and
the amount of money that's there, and the stories you
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hear behind the scenes with players becoming really really difficult,
the ability to leave any time you want, the transit.
It's a constant state of free agency. There is a
belief by NFL teams that players are becoming more difficult
to deal with. And this is and it really is
only this is only like the third year that we've
seen in NIL, so it's still very very early. But
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I do think that there you are going to see
more and more teams who are going to try to
figure out who the more entitled ones, who the I
don't know if I want to say spoiled or whatever,
but the guys who are in it for the NIL
and who are in it for football. I believe shit
Or Sanders loves football. I think he loves football on tape.
To me, he's the second round talent. He's the second
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best quarterback in this draft. I think he's got tremendous
His confidence, to me, is a huge plus. Now some
of it's too extra. Oh it just it just is.
I mean, let's just be real. Some of it is
too much. You got to dial some of that back.
I don't mind brash, I don't mind confidence. I don't
mind cocky Aaron Rodgers stuff, all that stuff. Baker Mayfield
rubbed people the wrong way. You can do it when
you're bawling out on a high level in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But it didn't impact Baker when it came to the
draft no impact.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
Well, and see I heard stuff behind the scenes like
it seemed he left in the middle of the seat,
you know, like that bothered me.
Speaker 3 (08:54):
But but he's not the first one. Joey Harrington has
some stuff where he does. It could have been hard
to deal. It didn't stop teams from taking him third overall.
And I do understand talent brings tolerance, and we talked
about him not having the elite tools in those things.
But I'm just telling you I never thought that it
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would be a situation where he falls. Can we have
a third and so look, don't want it to overshadow
like the night of so many guys realizing their dreams,
but man, we have to at least address what was
look early in the process. We're talking about two quarterbacks
who was going to be number one. To have the
guy who was in that conversation not only completely fall
out of the first round, but to not be taken
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in the first three rounds, to me, it makes it
a more significant story.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Yeah, and you and I have both been censored of
the fact that good football players have not had enough
conversation in this process.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Of leading up because we talked about it.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Because everything's been should or should or should do and
it's not fair to cam Ward first and foremost. Cam
Ward deserved way more to not get enough shots, not
get enough shine.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
This is different.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Well, the conversation we're having now is how did it
happen and what happens now. The reason that happened is
going to be different for different teams. Some teams probably
didn't like the football player as much. He's you know,
he's not he's mobile in the pocket, he's not. He's
not a fast escapability guy. He takes too many sacks,
holds onto the ball too long. But you know, there's
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been a lot of players have held them.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
There's a lot of players. You know.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
For everything that you can say, there's a counter to it.
So that's why it's I think it's I.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
Mean, and my point is this, like when we talk
about the league and everyone talks about these hot standards,
we have seen players like Tim Boyle play seven years
in the league, who was a player who didn't have
nearly the accomplishment of your sanders, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
So like that's where I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I mean, like I mean, their their career backups, they
just stay out the case Kingdom, Well in case.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Case, and so that's the thing, and so we'll get
to it. We'll see where it ends up on day three.
But I got to ask you, when you look at
the first three rounds and you look at teams that
have put in work, who are some of the teams
that kind of that you're impressed with what they've been
able to do so well.
Speaker 1 (11:17):
I like the Patriots had a philosophy, an idea of
what they wanted to do. Had a conversation with an
NBA former NBA general manager and I was talking about
the team that he used to work for and what
it was like, and he said, you know, even though
we had a great organization, the thing that bothered me
was every once in a while we'd be on the
draft clay and he said, there's only two rounds for us.
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He said, we'd be on the board and all of
a sudden, there's hesitation in the room where we thought
we were all on the same page. So I think that,
and Bucky, you've been in those rooms. I think good
organizations understand this is our philosophy, this is what we're doing,
and the stick to it on draft day and you
don't waffle I look at the Patriots and it's interesting
because they brought because Mike ray Bull came in and
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brought who's his guy, Ryan Calton, Yeah, Ryan Calden. Elliott
Wolf was already there, Alonso high Smith was already there.
So the two groups blended together, and it looks like
they have a really ironed out, well thought out plan.
Offensive tackle. First pick of the draft, you know, fourth overall.
They know they had to have tackled. They did it there.
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Trayvon Henderson got a terrific running back and an explosive
playmaker in the second round, and a third round they
went and got a guy who can stretch the field
and Kyle Williams silky smooth wide receiver. And then at
the back end the they traded back and they still
were able to add Jared Wilson in an athletic center. There,
so two offensive linemen and then skilled position players. I
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wouldn't be surprised if the second round. You know, they've
got three picks in the fifth, two and a seventh
one and a fourth they're gonna mix and match and
move up. I'm sure at least once, maybe twice, But
I'll bet you tomorrow's completely defense and I think that's
probably a philosophy and a discussion that they had in
their meetings. I like that for the Patriots, they needed
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a lot of help, and I think they maneuvered around
pretty well and they did what they were supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
It's funny because I feel like this team always gets
a lot of love on Draft Day a draft weekend,
but the Baltimore Ravens, and we've been in this game
long enough to know that the Baltimore Ravens do what
they do.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
They just sit and pick, They wait for good players
to fall.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
We always talk about draft boards being like snowflakes and
that nobody has guys ranked in the same order, and
the Baltimore Ravens appeared always, I would say, feast on others' mistakes.
And so the fact that they're able to get Malachot
Starks early in the first round and then they come
back and on day two, like they get Mike Green.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Mike Green's the top six.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
I mean, like he was the guy that we talked
about being a top twenty pick, someone that we knew
had sack production led the country in sacks. You saw
the fights inness, you saw him come off the edge
the physicality and toughness, all those things. And here you
are in the second round and he's right there in
the Baltimore Ravens scoop them up.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Are you just like?
Speaker 3 (14:02):
Here they go again and doing what they do, and
then later they come and get Emry Jones. I'm talking
from LSU, just another guy that kind of fits their thing.
The one thing that always stands out great organizations. They
understand their identity and they always pick players that suit
their identity.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
And when you're strong and have strong leadership, you can
take guys that and you know, Mike Greenfell, there's some
character stuff, but from what I understand, it's nothing that's
gonna like. I don't think there's a concern about the person,
the type of player he is. They just got a
discounted from what I can tell, they got a discounted
first rounder later in the second round, and they don't
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overthink it. That's one of the things about the Ravens.
Malachi Starks, you're not trying to well, if we get
NICKI man, worry, what we're gonna be able to do
is we're gonna be able to be more.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Multiple with dark.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
They just said, how about we go get a Kirby,
smart player, who's a good tackler, who's mentally tough and
who fits the Raven way. And NICKI man worry has
all this talent, but sometimes he turns it off a
little bit, like it can go off and on, off
and on. In terms of the motor, he's got to
get himself, you know. Uh, when he's properly motivated, Man,
that guy's a monster. Malaka starts, never turns it off.
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He's just ready to play all the time. And that's
and he's a Raven. And I think what you said
exactly right, Like they don't they don't overthink things. They say,
here's a good football player, take them. And when you
have a strong locker room, you can also take a
few more chances too. That's something else that should be noted. So, yeah,
the Ravens did a great job. I think, you know,
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looking at the looking at the draft board, I made
mention of the Texans going with Jayden Higgins in the
second round. They got to tackle Ariante Ursri, who we'll
see how he plays. I have some some concerns about him.
He doesn't play as fluidly as he tests at tackle.
Jalen Noel is really explosive slot receiver from Iowa State,
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and then Jalen Smith, the cornerback. And what's interesting there
is the Texans are saying, we need to get more
weapons for CJ.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Stroud.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
We lost to Von Diggs. Tank Dell's out for this
year and who knows if he'll ever come back, And
so the Texans immediately said, we're not waiting. We can't
afford to piecemeal this over two years. We'll go get
two wide receivers this year and they're both going to
have to play. I mean, John Menchi's gonna have to
fight for his job. Xavier Hutchinson, you know, this guy's
going to have to fight for his job. Justin Watson
(16:21):
came in, who's a reliable fourth, fifth wide receiver. So
Texans not only wanted more competitiveness at that position, competition
at that position. I think they got these two guys
to play a lot of snaps. To be honest with you,
and when you're in the AFC, you got to deal
with Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen and Joe Burrow and
(16:43):
teams that can put up a lot of points. And
so Nick Cassario basically said, hey, we cannot sleep on
wide receiver. We cannot wait until next year. We got
to get him right now.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, I mean, look, they are doing a really good
job of kind of loading up doing it. We talk
about the best team, understand who they are, and they
make sure that they kind of stick to the script.
And I would say that it's funny for us to
talk about the Dallas Cowboys in this vein, but they
done a really solid job of sticking to what really
works for them. Early the first night, we saw them
get Tyler Booker, someone who's a straight bully at the
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point of attack, you see the video and those things.
And then tonight they go and get Donovan as Araku,
who can come off the edge.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
They need pass rushing help.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
And first second type attack first.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
I mean, and you just see where, okay, the combinations
are gonna start to come and how they're gonna be
able to get after it. You think about Matt Eberflus
coming back and he wants to kind of get to
playing the style where hey, they're playing fast and they're
getting after it and it's simplistic. As Iraku brings that
energy and then Chavan, I mean just being able to
(17:52):
be the big corner. You think about that Tampa two
style that they can jump into in some of those
things zone corner, and I just think about his side
with Trayvon Diggs on the other side, and the ball
skills and the length and how they can challenge guys.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
In different ways. To me, the Dallas Cowboys have just
been rock solid when it comes to their picks.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Bears had four picks in the first sixty two. Colston
Lovelin we talked about in the first round. Luther Burden,
another first round discount player. In the second round, I
thought he was a first round talent.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
I just I think you.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Have to look past the short throws this year and
you have to go back and watch twenty twenty three
and twenty twenty four intermediate and deep throws to see
what he can be in an offense. It's different than
the denk and dunk catch and run stuff that Missouri ran. Hey,
it was great to take advantage of Burden's ability after
the catch, but that's not all he is. I think
he's capable of doing a lot more than that, and
(18:42):
so you know Caleb Williams is going to give him
an opportunity to show that. In Rome with Douonzay being
on one side is also going to give him a
chance to, you know, for the Bears to get creative,
for Ben Johnson to get creative. Remember that all the
offensive picks here. Ben Johnson, well, I thought was a mastermind.
I mean I had a lot of respect for everything
he did, his play calling, his vision for Jamier Gibbs
(19:06):
and everything he did. He comes into the Bears and
immediately grabs a different tight end not named Tyler Warren
Colston Lovelin, who I think is a more athletic, maybe
a little higher ceiling pass catcher, and then Luther Burden,
who you know, frankly I thought was the best wide
receiver not named Travis Hunter in this draft. So now
(19:27):
the next also on the second, they got Ozzie Trapillo.
He is a right tackle only, so I'm not sure
right now he'll probably play swing. They should be okay
this year with Braxton Jones at left at Darnell Right
on the right side, but at some point they're gonna
expect Tropilla to take over. So I do question whether
or not he can play on the left side, or
if Darnell Wright can play on the left side.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
That would be a.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Question I have Shamar Turner I like a lot, a
little bit undersized as a three technique, But you remember
another undersized three technique from a weight standpoint, Tommy from Oklahoma,
Tommy Harris.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Tommy Harris, Yeah, Tommy Harris. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (20:03):
I'm going way way back. But he was a two
hundred ninet pound guy that can get up the field
and disrupt. I think Shamar Turner is a really underrated player.
I like Shamar Turner a lot. I think the Bears
have done a nice job. You get four picks in
the first sixty two, you better do a good job.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Now let's go to the New York Giants, and even
though they only made one selection tonight, I think it's
the combination of who they added Darius Alexander to a
front line that has been fortified with the pick of
Abdul Carter, and then I think about Alexander, Carter, Dexter,
Lawrence Keavon, Tipadeau, Brian Burns, the New York Giants and
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now cooking with gas on defense. And when the Giants
have been the Giants, it's because their defense has led
the way I now see a front line d ken
impose their will on opponents with some of the size
and athleticism and the attributes and then look Jackson Dart.
I understand Jackson Dart because Brian Dayball and Joe Shane
(20:59):
both spent time in Buffalo. And when you have the
kind of success that they each had in Buffalo with
a quarterback like Josh Allen, I can see that kind
of setting your north star.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
That is kind of what you're looking for.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Physical quarterback that can run, that can do some things
that gives them Jackson Dart.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
So through two days, I think they're solid. Yeah, the
quarterback has to play.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Ye at a high level, but opinions, but we've got
to let them play.
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yeah, they're a much better team because they were able
to kind of stick to build up the defense and
then they were able to get the quarterback that they want.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
You know, Bucky, the Cardinals have a real boom bust
draft working right now. My two six point five grade
players boom bus grades both landing on the Cardinals, Walter
Nolan and Will Johnson. Walter Nolan is a really explosive
three down player, but at A and M there were
questions that dogged him about his you know, his professionalism
(21:59):
so to speak, his his work ethic off the field. Now,
I was not challenged when he was on the field,
but people I talked to you over there just said,
you know, I'll trying to get out of practice here
and there and wanting to stand the the you know,
stay in the in the trading room here and there,
and why does this guy not practice and stuff like that.
But it wasn't a football issue. There's nothing criminal with him.
(22:21):
There's nothing anything like that. But Walter Nolan went sixteenth,
probably could have gone top eight, top nine, something like that,
maybe even higher. Actually I haven't even higher grade. So
he's there. Really talented, though. Will Johnson goes forty seventh.
A little bit of a knee issue that is a consideration.
Never ran never ran a forty time, and teams thought
(22:43):
he's a little bit slow. Never ran a forty, so
we're not sure there. Jordan Birch, Jordan Birch is your
third round pick. He's two hundred and ninety pounds, looks
the part but is not real and he's a great
He's a great athlete. Better rusher than run defender. I
want him to be tougher at the point of a
time as a run defender. I want him to show
more grit and tenacity on a regular basis. If you
(23:05):
don't have that in the NFL, you flame out quickly.
Like grit and tenacity or something that you just have
to have, and that's something Jordan Birch is gonna have
to have. From a talent standpoint, off the charts, Cardinals
talent is off the charts. Consistency wise, I would argue,
no one's very consistent. Will Johnson when he played, was
very consistent. But you gotta worry about speed. And then
(23:27):
Jordan Birch has gotta you gotta light a fire on him.
He's got to put a little glass in that diet,
be a glass muncher and be a little bit you know,
and just be a little saltier I think to play
in the NFL because these are these are tough guys,
it helps to have a little glass.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
In your diet.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
So it's funny because I know, you know, Chris Ballet
will and we've always been able to talk about ballot
likes the athletic freaks, and so we've always been to
kind of identify the Indianapolis Colts. Well, I'm gonna say
John Side in the Seattle Seahawks, they certainly like to
drink from that same water trough. When you look at
what they've been able to do, Like first they go
and get Gray's Abel in the first round, so that
(24:03):
was Thursday night. But then to come back and you
look at who they've taken today.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Nick emm and Worry from.
Speaker 3 (24:11):
South Carolina, freak show athlete put on a show at
the combat was really the star of the combat, King
of the combine.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
We can call him Elijah Arroyo.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Think about the talent, the tools that he brings to
the tight end position and how he can be that
flexed in to get open down the middle of the
field for Sam Donald. And then you top it off
with Jalen Murroe, who is the freak show of all
freak shows.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
At quarterback.
Speaker 3 (24:35):
The talent and the tools were there in terms of
man he is an elite running back playing quarterback with
big time arm talent. In terms of being able to
push it down the field, John Snyder is banking on
the traits. These tools are going to translate into production
and that is going to help us get over the top.
And you see it particularly in their day two picks.
(24:57):
They went big on a prototype. Yeah, I thought they
had a good I thought they had a good day.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
And Jalen Milroe is just so intriguing to me because, look,
I don't love him as a quarterback based on what
I saw, I thought he was more like a fourth round.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Pick, a backup.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
But the thing that you can't handicap is players who
have dynamic speed, like you can't game plan for it. Defensively,
you can, but it's more on the college level, on
the high school level. On the pro level, you can't
really do that as long as you're not too predictable.
As an offense. It's really hard to handle quarterbacks who break, contain,
(25:33):
break the pocket, or can run because now nowadays teams
will just direct snap and it turns into power and
they're around the corner. And I mean, Jalen Milroe could
turn into a first down getter when you're in third
and short as a rookie, they could do something like
that with it. I'm not convinced that you can't run
some Taysom Hill type stuff with him early on in
his career and just find ways to get him to
(25:54):
ball and you see if he can be explosive. Now
that doesn't mean I don't think like he's certainly worth
developing see if you can develop the footwork, the timing,
the decision making. But he's just a special, special athlete,
you know, Bucky. When you get the five star and
you see it, five star ath coming out of high school,
(26:18):
everyone wants to draft, everyone wants to recruit those guys.
You get the five star atch and we will figure
it out and we get it. Maybe it'll be a corner,
maybe it'll be a quarterback, maybe it'll be a wide receiver,
running back. He's like one of these special five star
athletes that yeah he's a quarterback, but we just want
him in the building because you got to figure out
how we're going to use him. We just know there
aren't many like him. There's maybe been one two other ones,
(26:41):
Vic and Lamar Jackson. I don't know anyone else that
runs like those guys.
Speaker 3 (26:45):
No, And the thing is, I would ask Alabama. I
don't know why they didn't run him more. To be honest,
I'm with you. That's the thing. Like when people made
the comparison to Lamar Jacks, Lamar Jackson had fifteen hundred
yard seasons back to back. Jayson Milroe didn't touch the
ball enough to fully max out his running skills. And
I would like to see what the Seattle Sears are
able to do. The good thing about their situation with
(27:07):
Drew Locke already in the building to back up Sam Donald,
this is one where they actually have an opportunity to
play and have fun.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
They have a chance to really develop him.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
He can be on the scout team kind of working
and being the other team quarterback while also working on
his game, and then next year we can kind of.
Speaker 2 (27:23):
See if he can be a special player.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
But you're right, you would like to think they want
to put the ball in his hands and see if
they can get something out of them. Last team that
I want to bring up Tampa Buccaneers and the Buccaneers
I just love it. Look I'm dB tonight. They were
able to get Benjamin Morrison and then they get Jacob
pet Both those guys. Both of those guys to me
are plug and play starters in any situation and in
(27:46):
Todd Bowles defense where they want to zone blitz, they
want to bring pressure, they want to hang these guys
in these match zones where they're playing three dep and
some of this other exotic stuff. Both of these guys
not only have the instincts and awareness and high Q
to do it, but man, their physical tools should allow
them have a lot of success in the defense.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
And what about my last one is going to be
Darren Is.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
It's pronounced Mogi right mass from the Jets, You're jests.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
He and Aaron Glenn, the new head coach I thought
so far, have done a fantastic job. They get armand Membu,
who is I think a plug and play starting right
tackle to position. They really need Mason Taylor, who I
loved tight end out of LSU that I think will
come in and immediately help justin fields there. And then
(28:36):
azaria A Thomas, a press, a physical press man corner
who's tough to throw over, and who is you know,
can really deal with the slower wide receiver. You know,
if you're not a quick, shifty wide receiver, if you
let him travel with big wide receivers, that's one of
those big wide personal matchup guy. I would not have
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him on one side, Buck, I would travel him if
you're gonna play man and man and make sure you
keep him on the right kind of matchups. So there's
gonna be some matchups that aren't great for him, I think,
But you know, he's pretty good at press, at getting
his hands on people and slowing him down. So I
think the Jets did a really nice job with their
three picks they had at first, a second, and a third,
but I thought they got really solid value and early
(29:21):
contributors from all three. All three of those guys.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
You know, the big thing with the Jets, I want
to see Aaron Glenn and talked about one to have
that three headed monster at running back.
Speaker 2 (29:30):
Maybe they find a.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Guy that they can throw into the rotation because with
Breeze Hall, Brandon Allen, if you can find another guy
they really want to get after and run the football
and be physical. With Justin Fields, who's will call him
half a running back, they can be pretty dynamic. Yeah
he is offensity with their running game.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah yeah, Jets are. They could be interesting next year.
It's not like they don't have talent. The Jets have talent.
They picked seventh because things just fell apart on them
last couple of years. But the Jets, the Jets could
be a problem by next year if Justin Fields, you know,
can have it really an above average year. So, especially
if they keep drafting like this, one team to keep
(30:06):
an eye on for tomorrow. I think is going to
be the San Francisco forty nine ers. They have a
billion draft picks. They've got eleven picks in this draft.
They've already picked four players. They got two forced, two fists,
three sevens, three sevens. They're they're not going to use
two forces and two fists. They're going to figure out
(30:27):
exactly who they want and they will use those draft
picks to get four picks will turn into two and
they'll get two guys that they love.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
That's what they're gonna do. Ye knows. Let's see if
there's anybody that is available.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
Like anybody that you're brewing on that you think could
be or should be coming off the board pretty quickly.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
Well, Bucky, I would say, you know, I'll start at
running back Dylan Samson and bea Shaal Tooton or two
running backs that I think should come off the board
fairly quickly. Actually, this is a great running back draft.
You got Trevor et Tien and Jayden Blue, two guys
who can explosive plays out of the backfield. Trevor Ettien,
I think is a little more dynamic in terms of
three downs. Cam Scattabo, everyone's favorite. I know you're a fan.
(31:09):
I am too. I think he's a good football player.
Every time you watch him. He's the hardest guy to tackle.
It's Ashton gent and then Cam Scattaboy. Those are the
two hardest running backs to tackle in college football. I
think those are guys to keep in mind to keep
an eye on. Where Will Quinn yours and should Or
Sanders fall and Kylin McCord, Will Howard, Riley Leonard. These
(31:31):
are name guys. It's going to be interesting to see
where they end up. On the defensive side of the board.
I think guys to keep him an eye on would
include Danny Stutzman, good linebacker, very good tackler from Oklahoma.
Josh Farmer, the big defensive tackle from Florida State. Fourth
rounds about where he should go. Brayden Swinson pass pass
(31:53):
rusher from LSU, and Darren Sorel pass rusher from Texas.
These are some of the guys I can tell you
the defensive tackle this this is gonna be filled with
defensive tackles tomorrow, edge rushers. We'll see a big run
on the running backs, and you're about to see a
ton of linebackers start coming off the board. We're gonna
be here for every pick of every round, we're gonna
say a lot of linebackers' names, a lot of defensive
(32:15):
tackles names, and a lot of running back names.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
A lot of running backs.
Speaker 3 (32:18):
Day three is about developmental players, special team standouts, guys
that are going to have to make the team by
doing it on the third phase of the game.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
And so look, we look forward to everyone coming back.
Speaker 3 (32:28):
We're gonna have a rap up show at the end
of the weekend where we talk about all the things
that took place over draft weekend. Until then, make sure
you check out all the coverage NFL Media, NFL Network,
NFL dot Com. Until next time, I'm Bucky Broksest Lancy
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