November 28, 2025 • 28 mins
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks are joined by college football analyst Joel Klatt to preview a massive weekend slate, highlighted by the FOX matchup he’s calling: No. 1 Ohio State vs. No. 15 Michigan. Klatt explains why Ohio State LB Arvell Reese could be an even better version of Micah Parsons, breaks down the upcoming 2026 quarterback class and shares the wide receivers who have stood out to him this season. The guys also dive into the rest of the top 2026 prospects set to take the field Saturday in Ann Arbor.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up everybody walking to Move the Sticks DJ Bucky
joined by our good friend Joel Klatt, de Voice of
College Football, the Voice of Fox, as he has a
rather big game this week. Joel Ohio State, Michigan Nobody.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm good man, I picked a great week to come
on the show. But I will say I do these
teams so often. It's like the only two teams that
I could roll out of bed and just do you know,
someone in the middle of June's like, hey, you got
to call Michigan Ohio State and be like, Okay, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Fine, yeah, But by the way, I'm curious about that,
you know, because I do with the Charger games, I
see the same team Bucky does the Jags and sees
the same teams. You're just preparing for that opponent every week.
How do you approach it when you, you know, from
a broadcasting standpoint, when you've had these teams so many times,
what do you look like? What are you looking to
get out of your meetings with coaches in a week
like this one?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I mean, honestly, this week, I'll just be like, how
you guys doing what's up? It's literally five minutes of
a player availability Okay, yeah, you know, it's just like
how are they doing health wise? Where are you guys at?
And then I'll ask a couple of of schematic specific
questions just about how they want to attack or do
anything like that. But no, there's none of the you know,
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generally speaking, if you're doing a team for the first time,
you're gonna have twenty twenty five minutes of like, all right, run,
you know, take me through like who are the alphas
on your team and what are they like in the
locker room, and you try to get a feel for
whatever's behind the scenes. But certainly don't have to do
that with these teams because I've been around them so often.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, and then speaking about this, because this is a
huge robber game. I love hearing you guys call about this.
What is the thing that you look forward to the
most when you call Michigan Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
The utter victreol that I receive online from both fan bases.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Nose you're a homework each team.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I love Michigan, I love
Ohio State for each fan base. So no, but honestly,
it is understanding that these games are where legacies are made,
and we will always remember each of these games. And
you can go back, you know, years oh six and
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Woodson in the late nineties, and you think of the
iconic moments really in our sports history, and they originate
from games like this and in a lot of cases
this game, specifically the twenty one game and the snow
with Hutchinson and a Jabo getting after the quarterback like
the these are incredible games. And then to understand the
enormity of what this rivalry means to each place, but
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also in the pantheon of college football, because this game
always means something at the top end of our sport.
That's where I think it differs dramatically from other rivalries
is that this one is born out of hatred, proximity,
and meaning, which not every rivalry has all three.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, and year after year after year after year, they're
right there up at the top with this being credibly
meaningful game in the conference and in the national landscape.
I was going through watching some of these top guys
as I'm starting my draft stuff, and uh, I tell
you what, man, I have not seen a better player
than our bel Reese.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Uh through that is a top three FI right there. Easy,
Sorry to interrupt you. I just want to throw this
out because this is going to be like a grenade
you ready.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I think he could be a better version of Micah.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, I know you're going to say that. I already
you're going to. I could have written that down and
I would have said, Joel was going to say it's
a better version.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, well you didn't and I said it first.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So there, So I'm I was looking at him when
I was thinking of that was the first That was
the first comp that came to me. And I'm like, okay,
Micah man, same conference. It hasn't been that long. Can
play off the ball, can play on the ball, explosive, violent,
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
He's better on the ball though, Yeah, Michael Micah is
like he can be an Yes. Do you see that
play in State? It's like the first second down and
he's just like damn and just he throws the tackle
to the ground. And I'm like, oh, oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, I'm going through some of my like some of
my first notes that I wrote down. Joel violent, can jolt,
separate and close. Uh, he can roll his hips guys,
he lines that he play him in a four eye
even though he's standing up and he's fine in there.
He doesn't get moved. He just attacks blocks, thuds off blocks,
he can set the edge with one arm. He's just
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everything he does is violent physical. So when I was
going through thinking of guys who played like that, Buck,
You'll remember this one. His guys who had some of
the on the ball off the ball, but then played
both fast and there was just they played with a
different strength level and a violence level. And to me,
the Mica thing, I thought he was more. I thought
when I watched Reese he was more of a violent
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football player than Mike oh Wi and so, and this
is not a perfect comparison. He's a better version of
this player. But you remember when Brian Cushing was at
USC and he looked like he was faster and just
more violent than everybody that was on the field with
how he played the game. Yeah, like he's like Jalen
Walker and Brian Kushing like kind of like kind of
like together.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a that's a good one. I even
I didn't go back that far. I'm not old like you,
so I didn't go all the way back to Cushion.
I just did the two Penn State guys that we've seen.
He's the best. He's the best version of Abdul and
Micah put together, because he's got the off the ball
traits of Micah and he's got the on the ball
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trade of abduall Carter to get off the speed and
yet he plays gap integrity much more violently and sound
than Abdul did on the line of scrimmage. So depending
on need, which you know, the first pick is always
a need based pick, and see who trades. I think
he's going to be the first I just call it
a position player non quarterback taken in the draft.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, that's I would I would definitely stamp that statement.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Buck. So so think of this too, uh, just to
like because now you've watched and I know you watch
more specific than one individual, But Buck, think about this
like you know, all of us who have been around
this sport for a long time. I think I think
that we all appreciate defenses that are built front to
back and inside out. And you've got to be good
right down the middle. I know that was a big
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Baltimore thing. Be good right down the middle, you know,
hard edges, those types of things. Ohio State has four
first round draft picks right down the middle of their defense. Yes,
that's I mean, I can't remember in one draft like
that's going to happen this spring and I can't remember.
You guys would have to help me if there's a
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defense like that. Maybe twenty one Georgia was similar to that.
That's the first place by the downs, you got downs
at safety? Who's the first rounder? All day long? You
know the comps are going to be Paulamalu, and you
know these these versatile players that can play on all
three levels. You've got rvel Reese off the ball, on
the ball, linebacker Sonny Styles, who's going to be a
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first round pick. He's if he wasn't playing next to
rvel Reese, we'd all be salivating about Sonny Styles. And
then Caden McDonald on the interior has played insanely good football.
And I think that the switch from Jim Nole's defense
to Matt Patricia's defense has meant the most to Caden
McDonald because Matt walked into that room and he looked
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at Caden, and he watched the film and with a
clean State slate, he said, Okay, I can run what
I did at New England because I've got my Ted
Washington Vince wolfork style player that can line up in
a zero and really impact the center because Matt as
you know, they want to affect the center and the
quarterback on every single snap. And Cayden McDonald does that.
And so that switch into what I think is a
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really it's an NFL front that plays a lot of
odd front, a lot of Baar defense, and Caden McDonald
is going to be a first round pick as well.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I found the answer, Joel. I feel this is what
you can see. I want to give you one thing
for the broadcast. I just want to contribute one thing.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And I don't and you know me, I don't ask
for attribution. I want you to take it and run
with it. So I was just going back through. I
was going back through. So you go to uh it
is twenty eighteen in the first round Alabama, Mika Fitzpatrick,
Deron Payne, Rashawn Evans.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Ooh, they had three.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
They had three of them. That's the best one that
I could find, like going through looking at this team's
gonna have four. They're gonna have four so that, Yeah,
there's a lot. Alabama's had three a bunch, but I
think I can't find one with four. But I mean,
that's that's pretty good. I mean that I literally went
to Georgia, now Georgia and Alabama the two. I didn't
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go through that twenty one Georgia team, but that would
be the other one I would look up for you.
But like that Alabama group, that was when.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I wonder if they were building right up the thousands
of Miami early two Miami.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And Red DJ Williams, Jonathan fill Yeah, that's all I
can think about.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
The only other teams that I can think with the
Miami teams in their heyday the early two thousand when
we just started scouting in those things. Joey, you talked
about non position players at the top of the board.
But you know, man, I draft coverage is going to
send around the quarterbacks and whoever he emerges, whoever we
say so Anyana kid and those you have Alabama Simpson,
just tell me what you've seen the quarterback landscape.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I love that each of them have played themselves into
this position and it hasn't just been like, oh we
think that this good because we thought coming into the
year like club Nick and Nussmeyer and maybe even Arch
and there was a lot of names being thrown out
back even before last year, and maybe he would become healthy.
And these two guys have played themselves into this position.
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So that's what I like the most. Then if you
just evaluate them, there's two things that I have a
really hard time with, and guys, I'm going to try
to get over it, because when I get hung up
on a trait or something along along those lines, I've
been burned, like Herbert burned me, Alan burned me because
I was hung up on these little things that I
didn't like about, whether it was their you know, completion
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percentage or something along those lines. Right, So ty Simpson's
not huge, and so his stature gives me a bit
of a hang up, and his experience or lack thereof,
gives me a bit of a hang up. Because the
more that I do this, and the more that we
see guys winning in the NFL, and the more that
we see guys win Super Bowls in the NFL, they
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all have really long college football careers. And Simpson doesn't
have a ton of starts. And you know, when you
look at it's a much more. You're much more likely
to have a rough time in the NFL if you've
got fewer than twenty starts in college and the guys
that excel. Everybody that's won a Super Bowl since Brady
won his first had thirty or more starts close to it.
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Brady's hadling the fewest at twenty seven, Aaron Rodgers at
like twenty seven, everybody else thirty plus. You look at
who's excelling right now. Nicks is excelling right now. He
had he had just short of a million starts in
college football, just short. So that experience factor in Mendoza
has that now.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Mendoza is a very specific offense with a lot of RPOs,
but he makes really great throws. That series against Penn State,
the two minute series against Penn State, scouts will fall
in love with that. Gets sacked on first down, way
behind the chains, and they go four verts right down
the field and he gets three different guys completions. Noah
Kowski the tight end, He's got Cooper down the scene.
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Then he goes to the back shoulder on Becker on
the sideline. Like those three throws, some offensive coordinator is
going to be like, give me that guy. So sitting
here now, I think Mendoza for me would be the
guy that I would lean into. But I don't want
to disparage a guy like Ty Simpson who makes bigger
throws more often than Mendoza does.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I would also say, to your point about that number
of starts, if you go back to the Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady years, Look, they didn't play so many games,
you didn't have the playoff, you didn't have with all
these conference championship games. So these guys now include Rogers
junior college starts. Yeah, exactly. So that's what I'm kind
of getting at. Is twenty seven back then is almost
probably more like mid to high thirties now, because that
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was as much experience as you could get. Now there's
a little more runway to get some more games played
in there. By the way, I'm just trying to do
you buy that. I would love if both of you yeah,
heck yeah, you guys. To me, it's real, yes, And
now that they can pay, now that colleges can pay,
I think some of these kids are nuts to go
inexperienced into the NFL. You're you're to me, you're stepping
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over a dollar to pick up a quarter, like just
stay making. Okay, you might not get the NFL money
right now, but you're going to have a longer career,
you have more successful career. You're going to make all
your money on those second and third deals and the
colleges can pay you.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
It's like it's this or nothing. Like you're going to
make good, solid money in college, which is going to
benefit you, you know, going forward. I think that's a
it's a huge, huge part of it, and you're not
going to be afforded the time. We're already seen with
JJ McCarthy. JJ McCarthy with Minnesota, it's like, oh gosh,
he's starting crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
What are we doing.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
They're making these determinations on these guys faster and faster
because it's not as much of a financial commitment as
it used to be in the old CBA, so teams
can flip the page on you sooner. So know one
that I'm not going to get as much of a
chance once I get to the NFL. I want to
arrive as already made, you know, fully functioning player and
not count on the NFL to develop me.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Fuck you know, when you sit with Mendoza, he'll say
one syllable and you'll be like, oh, this is Kirk Cousins.
Oh he's got that like football nerd maturity about him,
Like that's that's who he is.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah. I've seen interviews with him. I've seen him talk.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I've seen him just elaborate and be very exhausted with
his explanation on plays, which is what you want premier
quarterback because as he has to relay all the information
to the team and you wanted to know it from
was in backwards all of that stuff. Give me somebody
else that you're surprised by, Like, as you're looking at
the college landscape, another guy that we need.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
To quarterback quarterback wise and you can go anywhere with
a be.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Oh gosh, that's a good one. Let me go to
Indiana Elijah sarrat the wide receiver, big frame and I
get Nakula vibes from Elijah sarrat where And forgive me
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for not knowing this at the top of my head.
I don't think Nicole was a great tester. Am I
right in that he was remember.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
If he ran, because yeah, he was hurt, I think
going through that process.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
So I don't know if Surrat would be a blazing tester,
but man, like you turn on the film and this
guy is a contested catch master. So he wins through contact.
And as you know, at the NFL level, like you're
not going to be afforded space, so you better be
able to win in a contested area, in particular when
you get late in the season and into the playoffs.
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And he does that. He's a master at the back shoulder.
He's a really smart player. He's got great hands. So
Elijah Surratt is a guy that I really like. Another
one would be Man, I've given a lot of skill,
got Makayle Lemon at USC He's got JSN vibes written
all over. He's he's kind of a JSN style player. Yeah,
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those would be the two guys off the top.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Of my head. Uh, those are good ones. Makaile Lemon
play strength, and we had talked about that, Joel many
many years ago, you know, going back talking about play
strength and guys who can be grounded to the catching,
guys who can win in crowds, because you're not going
to have I mean, I don't care how athletic and
explosive you are, you just not gonna be able to
get that same separation at the professional level that you
get in college, So you better be strong at the
catch point. I want to how about how about the
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year jsn is had. It's gonna have to unbelievy throwing
the balls. Shone it pretty good too, though some people
don't want to hear that. We'll see if you can
play well the pressures on. Well, yeah, we'll see. I
guess we'll get there. I mean he's done pretty well
so far.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
He's like bow Knicks bo Knicks has like struggled and
normal downs and then it's when he needs to be
great and crucial situations, he's been great. And like that's
the opposite.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Of Donald Well. I mean, that's hit. He got hit
fifty times in that game against the Rams last year
with no tackles. But that's neither here nor there. I mean,
he had sixteen weeks let's use Let's go to the
two thousand and four Miami Hurricanes. Sean Taylor at safety
was a first round pick. Johnathan Gilma was a first
round pick at linebacker.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
D J.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Williams was a first round picket linebacker, and a guy
by the name of Vince will Fork was a first
round pick.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And that was all that that that was that year,
not just eventual for it was that's that sprintscifect. Right
there we go. Yeah, I'm stealing that. That's getting in
the broadcast this this week.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, Lucky has coming up with Miami. There by the way,
I want to get on two more players from this game,
this Michigan Ohio State game. And apologies to Michigan because
I've just done more of these Ohio State guys so far.
Caleb Downs, Like, I was trying to think of the
best way to describe him, and I'm going back through
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my notes and I'm like, this guy is sound and
discipline for safeties, which can be a flash position like
you want to see the big splash hits in the
one hand interceptions like yeah, he can give you some
of that. But to me watching him and appreciating him
over games is just the fact that this guy is
a firm tackler. Every he takes proper angles. Everything he
does is sound and discipline and smart. And I go
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back to Bill Belichick saying way back in the day,
you can't win with dumb safeties. I've never heard this
guy talk. I've never asked anybody, but I guarantee this
guy's smart because he plays.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Smart, super smart, smartest defender I've ever been around covering
college football. Just my conversations with him are the same
conversations I have with coaches. Like he understands the game
as well as anybody, and he's a sponge. And he
will tell you that Matt Patricia has been incredible for
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him because Matt will just sit there and teach and
they'll watch NFL tape and they'll do all sorts of things.
So Caleb's one of these rare players like an Ed
Reed or a Paula Malu that you can give him
things that are outside of the schematics of what you're
running and he can execute them. So for an example,
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like they'll give him like hey, in this set, like
if they're FSL and you get a motion. Now, this
is like game game specific, So this is I'm not
giving any you know, tips to be talking about from Michigan.
So this is just an example. But for instance, against
Penn State, they brought a backup quarterback in that was
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probably a wildcat guy. So that's indicator number one. They
go FSL and then they motion into the core from
the boundary two three tells for run play right. In particular,
they're split zone with a little bit of a re
and so downs outside of the structure of the defense,
just runs down and blitzes off the edge because it's like, oh,
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I've got this green light, and Matt gives him the
green light. There's no other rotation, there's there's nothing out.
Caleb has just afforded that leeway an agency by his
coordinator because he understands it and he trusts it, and
he makes a tackle for loss on the play and
you look at it and you're like, oh, man, well,
you know it's great blitz by Matt Patricia. No, No,
that's films study on Tuesday night and Wednesday night. And
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a green light given to a safety similar to a
green light that would be given to a quarterback. You know,
if you see this, look check into this play and
get us into That's what Caleb does for them on defense.
And then his versatility, we call him the Swiss Army Knife.
He covers well, he can play in the deep middle.
Then all of a sudden he's in like a rover
position they call it tricky, where he's lined up at
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eight yards in the middle the defense and he's the
a gap defender, which is wild as a safety, and
he makes the play at one or two yards. He
can play on the edge, he can let's he covers
in man. He returned to punt last year for a touchdown.
Exceptional football player high IQ, great person, cares wants to
be great. I mean he's he's a no brainer. He's
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the he's along with your quarterback, the face of your
franchise almost immediately when you draft him.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
One more player, Buck, then I'll let you finish up
here with Joel. But last one, I want to hit
you on because I love getting these backstories on these
guys that have had a chance to watch. I know
we're going to talk about Jeremi Smith all year next year.
And great great player Carnel Tait is not a good robin.
He is another batman. When you watch him out there,
he is a number one. And I'm telling you, like
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he has got a bounding running style and he gains
ground as well as any receiver that I've seen a while. Like,
he covers ground, he tracks the ball incredibly well. He
is a darn good player. Man. He's he might be
a better deep ball catcher than Jeremiah background Man. He
tracks it so pure he is.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
He's an incredible player, overcome a lot in his life,
which I think leads to the type of man he
is and the player he is. A couple of things.
Number one is I don't think that we can discount
the fact that it comes from this program. Every receiver
that leaves this program is ready for the NFL period.
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Look at a Mecca this year, look at JSN, look
at Garrett Wilson, look at Marvin Like every guy a lave.
Brian Hartline is the best wide receiver coach in America,
and if you come out of his tree, you will
have been coached really hard. You will understand how to
play the position, you will understand defense. And Carnell is
one of those guys. I think he's a first round
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draft pick and I would agree with you. You put him
on any other team in America where like the freak
Show is not on the other side, and and he's
the best player on the field, so I would agree
with that. And then his story, guys, right when he
got to Ohio State as a true freshman, right before
his first fall camp, his mom was tragically gunned down
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in the South side of Chicago, and he lost his
and he lost his mom, and Ryan talks about one
how devastating that moment is, obviously, but also the purpose
that that gave him and and the level of attack
that he then put into his craft after that. Incredible story.
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An incredible human and a really really good player.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
All right, So since I had the last one, I've
been reeling because my alma mater in North Carolina has
and I've been doing well with the Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
So I just I mean, like I knew that out.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I knew it was North Carolina with you man.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Not at all, Joe, did you know there's an adult
adult cheerleading leadis? Did you know this?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
But but I'm actually I'm actually not going to ask
the Carolina question. I feel that you're having to bear
a lot of the heat because people have these expectations
of Colorado now that Dean is there. Just give me
your take on the state of Colorado's program being in
a lump.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And knowing what it was before he got there and
what's been like since.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, fans lose perspective really fast,
really fast, and I understand that, but Colorado is in
a far better position than what they were in before
Dion got there. And here's what's happened this year is
they missed on some recruits and didn't develop on the
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offensive line as well as they should have. That's their issue.
They needed to make a change at offensive coordinator last year,
didn't and brought in what I think is a poor
scheme into this year that didn't help the young players
that they have had. And then they partly missed one
on scheme and on transfer quarterback with Caden Salters, which
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didn't necessarily pan out. They lose elite level players and
Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter more specifically, and Jimmy Horn
on the outside which they were able to just throw
the football around. And they won a lot of close
games last year. Well, the margin in college football has
never been closer, and in particular in the Big Twelve.
This is a really balanced league. They got a little
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bit worse and have lost those close games. You can
point to several games. They were right there for Georgia
Tech at the end and lost that game. They were
right there at TCU lost the game of poor turnover,
and a couple of others. So you know these people
that are like, oh, this is a disaster, No, it's
not a disaster. This is college football at a program
black Colorado. If you miss on a couple of players,
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you're going to fall on the opposite side of that
small margin. And that's where they're at. And what they
need to do to get back is they need to
hire a really good offensive coordinator, develop better on the
offensive line, and then have us system offensively that really
fits this young quarterback moving forward, Juju Lewis, who's not
going to play this week. They're going to protect his
red shirt. But yeah, I do think it's like the
narrative out there. People are like, oh, man, you know,
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like that's that's really terrible. No, it's not. It's college football, guys.
The margins are really thin and right now in college football,
the parody has never been greater in our sport, top
to bottom. So that's really what's gone on in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, that program was dead on the table when Dion
got there, as you know, so people forget where that
thing was before he arrived and had a little blip
this year. They'll get back on track next year. Joe,
I don't know why you did it, man, You have
no business doing this show this week with all that
you got going on, But we do appreciate you guys.
Don't want to get into lane.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Every other show that I do, we talk about lank.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
We're not. We're not every other show man like We're
a little deeper.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
So I love you guys. You guys are the best.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
You guys are shuld you, buddy, have a great call.
All of a miracle will be watching, not just us.
We look forward to your call, man and sate your friendship. Buddy,
same same. Thankful for you guys on this Thanksgiving week.
I hope your listeners have a wonderful Thanksgiving. And I
cannot wait for this game. By the way, thirty degrees,
snow flurries. Oh, let's go.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
It's the only game, the only day of the year
that I'm fine being cold.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
That let's go. Man, cannot wait. Have a great call, dude.
Appreciate you, Bud, Thank you, see you guys. The great
Joel Clap there he goes Buck love him giving us
a little time. Literally the busiest week. He's probably the
most request yest this week because of that game. He's
going to be calling it. I love it. By the way,
I have no dog in the fight. I really do
not care who wins. But I hope, I hope we
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get a slug fest. That's what I'll look.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I'm just thinking about all of the pressure that Ohio
State walks into this contest with, considering the streak that
Michigan has been on, how Michigan feels about Ohio State
in terms of feeling like they kind of have some
ownership over them. Yeah, it's gonna be a few little
bites and scuffles and discummacies and all that.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
But she put him in the tunnel at the same
time would be my But I mean it should be
a little combative. This what we've seen for ship long,
a little chippy when I was there. I went there
once time and they literally fought and preagam. I'm like,
what is going? Oh, like I thought it was. I
thought it was a.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Robbery, like those fake robberies where and I was like, oh,
they really they really do not like each other, Like
this is really.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
My dad's from Ohio, so he he is all he
is a Buckeye fan, so he is he's locked in
on this week. I think they want this more than
they want a national championship. It's crazy, but I think
it's legit. Yeah, but Anyways, we'll see what happens all right.
I appreciate you guys hanging with us. Hope you guys
have a wonderful weekend. We'll be back on Monday with
Brian Baldinger as we look back at an incredible weekend
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of football. Have a wonderful, wonderful time with your family.
We'll see you next time right here on with the sticks.
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up everybody walking to Move the Sticks DJ Bucky
joined by our good friend Joel Klatt, de Voice of
College Football, the Voice of Fox, as he has a
rather big game this week. Joel Ohio State, Michigan Nobody.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
I'm good man, I picked a great week to come
on the show. But I will say I do these
teams so often. It's like the only two teams that
I could roll out of bed and just do you know,
someone in the middle of June's like, hey, you got
to call Michigan Ohio State and be like, Okay, I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Fine, yeah, But by the way, I'm curious about that,
you know, because I do with the Charger games, I
see the same team Bucky does the Jags and sees
the same teams. You're just preparing for that opponent every week.
How do you approach it when you, you know, from
a broadcasting standpoint, when you've had these teams so many times,
what do you look like? What are you looking to
get out of your meetings with coaches in a week
like this one?
Speaker 1 (00:53):
I mean, honestly, this week, I'll just be like, how
you guys doing what's up? It's literally five minutes of
a player availability Okay, yeah, you know, it's just like
how are they doing health wise? Where are you guys at?
And then I'll ask a couple of of schematic specific
questions just about how they want to attack or do
anything like that. But no, there's none of the you know,
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generally speaking, if you're doing a team for the first time,
you're gonna have twenty twenty five minutes of like, all right, run,
you know, take me through like who are the alphas
on your team and what are they like in the
locker room, and you try to get a feel for
whatever's behind the scenes. But certainly don't have to do
that with these teams because I've been around them so often.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Yeah, and then speaking about this, because this is a
huge robber game. I love hearing you guys call about this.
What is the thing that you look forward to the
most when you call Michigan Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
The utter victreol that I receive online from both fan bases.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Nose you're a homework each team.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know, I love Michigan, I love
Ohio State for each fan base. So no, but honestly,
it is understanding that these games are where legacies are made,
and we will always remember each of these games. And
you can go back, you know, years oh six and
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Woodson in the late nineties, and you think of the
iconic moments really in our sports history, and they originate
from games like this and in a lot of cases
this game, specifically the twenty one game and the snow
with Hutchinson and a Jabo getting after the quarterback like
the these are incredible games. And then to understand the
enormity of what this rivalry means to each place, but
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also in the pantheon of college football, because this game
always means something at the top end of our sport.
That's where I think it differs dramatically from other rivalries
is that this one is born out of hatred, proximity,
and meaning, which not every rivalry has all three.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Yeah, and year after year after year after year, they're
right there up at the top with this being credibly
meaningful game in the conference and in the national landscape.
I was going through watching some of these top guys
as I'm starting my draft stuff, and uh, I tell
you what, man, I have not seen a better player
than our bel Reese.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Uh through that is a top three FI right there. Easy,
Sorry to interrupt you. I just want to throw this
out because this is going to be like a grenade
you ready.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I think he could be a better version of Micah.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, I know you're going to say that. I already
you're going to. I could have written that down and
I would have said, Joel was going to say it's
a better version.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Well, well you didn't and I said it first.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
So there, So I'm I was looking at him when
I was thinking of that was the first That was
the first comp that came to me. And I'm like, okay,
Micah man, same conference. It hasn't been that long. Can
play off the ball, can play on the ball, explosive, violent,
all that stuff.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
He's better on the ball though, Yeah, Michael Micah is
like he can be an Yes. Do you see that
play in State? It's like the first second down and
he's just like damn and just he throws the tackle
to the ground. And I'm like, oh, oh, okay.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Yeah, I'm going through some of my like some of
my first notes that I wrote down. Joel violent, can jolt,
separate and close. Uh, he can roll his hips guys,
he lines that he play him in a four eye
even though he's standing up and he's fine in there.
He doesn't get moved. He just attacks blocks, thuds off blocks,
he can set the edge with one arm. He's just
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everything he does is violent physical. So when I was
going through thinking of guys who played like that, Buck,
You'll remember this one. His guys who had some of
the on the ball off the ball, but then played
both fast and there was just they played with a
different strength level and a violence level. And to me,
the Mica thing, I thought he was more. I thought
when I watched Reese he was more of a violent
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football player than Mike oh Wi and so, and this
is not a perfect comparison. He's a better version of
this player. But you remember when Brian Cushing was at
USC and he looked like he was faster and just
more violent than everybody that was on the field with
how he played the game. Yeah, like he's like Jalen
Walker and Brian Kushing like kind of like kind of
like together.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Yeah, Yeah, that's a that's a good one. I even
I didn't go back that far. I'm not old like you,
so I didn't go all the way back to Cushion.
I just did the two Penn State guys that we've seen.
He's the best. He's the best version of Abdul and
Micah put together, because he's got the off the ball
traits of Micah and he's got the on the ball
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trade of abduall Carter to get off the speed and
yet he plays gap integrity much more violently and sound
than Abdul did on the line of scrimmage. So depending
on need, which you know, the first pick is always
a need based pick, and see who trades. I think
he's going to be the first I just call it
a position player non quarterback taken in the draft.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, that's I would I would definitely stamp that statement.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Buck. So so think of this too, uh, just to
like because now you've watched and I know you watch
more specific than one individual, But Buck, think about this
like you know, all of us who have been around
this sport for a long time. I think I think
that we all appreciate defenses that are built front to
back and inside out. And you've got to be good
right down the middle. I know that was a big
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Baltimore thing. Be good right down the middle, you know,
hard edges, those types of things. Ohio State has four
first round draft picks right down the middle of their defense. Yes,
that's I mean, I can't remember in one draft like
that's going to happen this spring and I can't remember.
You guys would have to help me if there's a
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defense like that. Maybe twenty one Georgia was similar to that.
That's the first place by the downs, you got downs
at safety? Who's the first rounder? All day long? You
know the comps are going to be Paulamalu, and you
know these these versatile players that can play on all
three levels. You've got rvel Reese off the ball, on
the ball, linebacker Sonny Styles, who's going to be a
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first round pick. He's if he wasn't playing next to
rvel Reese, we'd all be salivating about Sonny Styles. And
then Caden McDonald on the interior has played insanely good football.
And I think that the switch from Jim Nole's defense
to Matt Patricia's defense has meant the most to Caden
McDonald because Matt walked into that room and he looked
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at Caden, and he watched the film and with a
clean State slate, he said, Okay, I can run what
I did at New England because I've got my Ted
Washington Vince wolfork style player that can line up in
a zero and really impact the center because Matt as
you know, they want to affect the center and the
quarterback on every single snap. And Cayden McDonald does that.
And so that switch into what I think is a
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really it's an NFL front that plays a lot of
odd front, a lot of Baar defense, and Caden McDonald
is going to be a first round pick as well.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
I found the answer, Joel. I feel this is what
you can see. I want to give you one thing
for the broadcast. I just want to contribute one thing.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (07:59):
And I don't and you know me, I don't ask
for attribution. I want you to take it and run
with it. So I was just going back through. I
was going back through. So you go to uh it
is twenty eighteen in the first round Alabama, Mika Fitzpatrick,
Deron Payne, Rashawn Evans.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
Ooh, they had three.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
They had three of them. That's the best one that
I could find, like going through looking at this team's
gonna have four. They're gonna have four so that, Yeah,
there's a lot. Alabama's had three a bunch, but I
think I can't find one with four. But I mean,
that's that's pretty good. I mean that I literally went
to Georgia, now Georgia and Alabama the two. I didn't
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go through that twenty one Georgia team, but that would
be the other one I would look up for you.
But like that Alabama group, that was when.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I wonder if they were building right up the thousands
of Miami early two Miami.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
And Red DJ Williams, Jonathan fill Yeah, that's all I
can think about.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
The only other teams that I can think with the
Miami teams in their heyday the early two thousand when
we just started scouting in those things. Joey, you talked
about non position players at the top of the board.
But you know, man, I draft coverage is going to
send around the quarterbacks and whoever he emerges, whoever we
say so Anyana kid and those you have Alabama Simpson,
just tell me what you've seen the quarterback landscape.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I love that each of them have played themselves into
this position and it hasn't just been like, oh we
think that this good because we thought coming into the
year like club Nick and Nussmeyer and maybe even Arch
and there was a lot of names being thrown out
back even before last year, and maybe he would become healthy.
And these two guys have played themselves into this position.
(09:38):
So that's what I like the most. Then if you
just evaluate them, there's two things that I have a
really hard time with, and guys, I'm going to try
to get over it, because when I get hung up
on a trait or something along along those lines, I've
been burned, like Herbert burned me, Alan burned me because
I was hung up on these little things that I
didn't like about, whether it was their you know, completion
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percentage or something along those lines. Right, So ty Simpson's
not huge, and so his stature gives me a bit
of a hang up, and his experience or lack thereof,
gives me a bit of a hang up. Because the
more that I do this, and the more that we
see guys winning in the NFL, and the more that
we see guys win Super Bowls in the NFL, they
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all have really long college football careers. And Simpson doesn't
have a ton of starts. And you know, when you
look at it's a much more. You're much more likely
to have a rough time in the NFL if you've
got fewer than twenty starts in college and the guys
that excel. Everybody that's won a Super Bowl since Brady
won his first had thirty or more starts close to it.
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Brady's hadling the fewest at twenty seven, Aaron Rodgers at
like twenty seven, everybody else thirty plus. You look at
who's excelling right now. Nicks is excelling right now. He
had he had just short of a million starts in
college football, just short. So that experience factor in Mendoza
has that now.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Now.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
Mendoza is a very specific offense with a lot of RPOs,
but he makes really great throws. That series against Penn State,
the two minute series against Penn State, scouts will fall
in love with that. Gets sacked on first down, way
behind the chains, and they go four verts right down
the field and he gets three different guys completions. Noah
Kowski the tight end, He's got Cooper down the scene.
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Then he goes to the back shoulder on Becker on
the sideline. Like those three throws, some offensive coordinator is
going to be like, give me that guy. So sitting
here now, I think Mendoza for me would be the
guy that I would lean into. But I don't want
to disparage a guy like Ty Simpson who makes bigger
throws more often than Mendoza does.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I would also say, to your point about that number
of starts, if you go back to the Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady years, Look, they didn't play so many games,
you didn't have the playoff, you didn't have with all
these conference championship games. So these guys now include Rogers
junior college starts. Yeah, exactly. So that's what I'm kind
of getting at. Is twenty seven back then is almost
probably more like mid to high thirties now, because that
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was as much experience as you could get. Now there's
a little more runway to get some more games played
in there. By the way, I'm just trying to do
you buy that. I would love if both of you yeah,
heck yeah, you guys. To me, it's real, yes, And
now that they can pay, now that colleges can pay,
I think some of these kids are nuts to go
inexperienced into the NFL. You're you're to me, you're stepping
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over a dollar to pick up a quarter, like just
stay making. Okay, you might not get the NFL money
right now, but you're going to have a longer career,
you have more successful career. You're going to make all
your money on those second and third deals and the
colleges can pay you.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Now.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
It's like it's this or nothing. Like you're going to
make good, solid money in college, which is going to
benefit you, you know, going forward. I think that's a
it's a huge, huge part of it, and you're not
going to be afforded the time. We're already seen with
JJ McCarthy. JJ McCarthy with Minnesota, it's like, oh gosh,
he's starting crazy.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
What are we doing.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
They're making these determinations on these guys faster and faster
because it's not as much of a financial commitment as
it used to be in the old CBA, so teams
can flip the page on you sooner. So know one
that I'm not going to get as much of a
chance once I get to the NFL. I want to
arrive as already made, you know, fully functioning player and
not count on the NFL to develop me.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Fuck you know, when you sit with Mendoza, he'll say
one syllable and you'll be like, oh, this is Kirk Cousins.
Oh he's got that like football nerd maturity about him,
Like that's that's who he is.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Yeah. I've seen interviews with him. I've seen him talk.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
I've seen him just elaborate and be very exhausted with
his explanation on plays, which is what you want premier
quarterback because as he has to relay all the information
to the team and you wanted to know it from
was in backwards all of that stuff. Give me somebody
else that you're surprised by, Like, as you're looking at
the college landscape, another guy that we need.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
To quarterback quarterback wise and you can go anywhere with
a be.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Oh gosh, that's a good one. Let me go to
Indiana Elijah sarrat the wide receiver, big frame and I
get Nakula vibes from Elijah sarrat where And forgive me
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for not knowing this at the top of my head.
I don't think Nicole was a great tester. Am I
right in that he was remember.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
If he ran, because yeah, he was hurt, I think
going through that process.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
So I don't know if Surrat would be a blazing tester,
but man, like you turn on the film and this
guy is a contested catch master. So he wins through contact.
And as you know, at the NFL level, like you're
not going to be afforded space, so you better be
able to win in a contested area, in particular when
you get late in the season and into the playoffs.
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And he does that. He's a master at the back shoulder.
He's a really smart player. He's got great hands. So
Elijah Surratt is a guy that I really like. Another
one would be Man, I've given a lot of skill,
got Makayle Lemon at USC He's got JSN vibes written
all over. He's he's kind of a JSN style player. Yeah,
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those would be the two guys off the top.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Of my head. Uh, those are good ones. Makaile Lemon
play strength, and we had talked about that, Joel many
many years ago, you know, going back talking about play
strength and guys who can be grounded to the catching,
guys who can win in crowds, because you're not going
to have I mean, I don't care how athletic and
explosive you are, you just not gonna be able to
get that same separation at the professional level that you
get in college, So you better be strong at the
catch point. I want to how about how about the
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year jsn is had. It's gonna have to unbelievy throwing
the balls. Shone it pretty good too, though some people
don't want to hear that. We'll see if you can
play well the pressures on. Well, yeah, we'll see. I
guess we'll get there. I mean he's done pretty well
so far.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
He's like bow Knicks bo Knicks has like struggled and
normal downs and then it's when he needs to be
great and crucial situations, he's been great. And like that's
the opposite.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Of Donald Well. I mean, that's hit. He got hit
fifty times in that game against the Rams last year
with no tackles. But that's neither here nor there. I mean,
he had sixteen weeks let's use Let's go to the
two thousand and four Miami Hurricanes. Sean Taylor at safety
was a first round pick. Johnathan Gilma was a first
round pick at linebacker.
Speaker 1 (16:39):
D J.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Williams was a first round picket linebacker, and a guy
by the name of Vince will Fork was a first
round pick.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And that was all that that that was that year,
not just eventual for it was that's that sprintscifect. Right
there we go. Yeah, I'm stealing that. That's getting in
the broadcast this this week.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah, Lucky has coming up with Miami. There by the way,
I want to get on two more players from this game,
this Michigan Ohio State game. And apologies to Michigan because
I've just done more of these Ohio State guys so far.
Caleb Downs, Like, I was trying to think of the
best way to describe him, and I'm going back through
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my notes and I'm like, this guy is sound and
discipline for safeties, which can be a flash position like
you want to see the big splash hits in the
one hand interceptions like yeah, he can give you some
of that. But to me watching him and appreciating him
over games is just the fact that this guy is
a firm tackler. Every he takes proper angles. Everything he
does is sound and discipline and smart. And I go
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back to Bill Belichick saying way back in the day,
you can't win with dumb safeties. I've never heard this
guy talk. I've never asked anybody, but I guarantee this
guy's smart because he plays.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Smart, super smart, smartest defender I've ever been around covering
college football. Just my conversations with him are the same
conversations I have with coaches. Like he understands the game
as well as anybody, and he's a sponge. And he
will tell you that Matt Patricia has been incredible for
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him because Matt will just sit there and teach and
they'll watch NFL tape and they'll do all sorts of things.
So Caleb's one of these rare players like an Ed
Reed or a Paula Malu that you can give him
things that are outside of the schematics of what you're
running and he can execute them. So for an example,
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like they'll give him like hey, in this set, like
if they're FSL and you get a motion. Now, this
is like game game specific, So this is I'm not
giving any you know, tips to be talking about from Michigan.
So this is just an example. But for instance, against
Penn State, they brought a backup quarterback in that was
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probably a wildcat guy. So that's indicator number one. They
go FSL and then they motion into the core from
the boundary two three tells for run play right. In particular,
they're split zone with a little bit of a re
and so downs outside of the structure of the defense,
just runs down and blitzes off the edge because it's like, oh,
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I've got this green light, and Matt gives him the
green light. There's no other rotation, there's there's nothing out.
Caleb has just afforded that leeway an agency by his
coordinator because he understands it and he trusts it, and
he makes a tackle for loss on the play and
you look at it and you're like, oh, man, well,
you know it's great blitz by Matt Patricia. No, No,
that's films study on Tuesday night and Wednesday night. And
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a green light given to a safety similar to a
green light that would be given to a quarterback. You know,
if you see this, look check into this play and
get us into That's what Caleb does for them on defense.
And then his versatility, we call him the Swiss Army Knife.
He covers well, he can play in the deep middle.
Then all of a sudden he's in like a rover
position they call it tricky, where he's lined up at
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eight yards in the middle the defense and he's the
a gap defender, which is wild as a safety, and
he makes the play at one or two yards. He
can play on the edge, he can let's he covers
in man. He returned to punt last year for a touchdown.
Exceptional football player high IQ, great person, cares wants to
be great. I mean he's he's a no brainer. He's
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the he's along with your quarterback, the face of your
franchise almost immediately when you draft him.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
One more player, Buck, then I'll let you finish up
here with Joel. But last one, I want to hit
you on because I love getting these backstories on these
guys that have had a chance to watch. I know
we're going to talk about Jeremi Smith all year next year.
And great great player Carnel Tait is not a good robin.
He is another batman. When you watch him out there,
he is a number one. And I'm telling you, like
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he has got a bounding running style and he gains
ground as well as any receiver that I've seen a while. Like,
he covers ground, he tracks the ball incredibly well. He
is a darn good player. Man. He's he might be
a better deep ball catcher than Jeremiah background Man. He
tracks it so pure he is.
Speaker 1 (21:11):
He's an incredible player, overcome a lot in his life,
which I think leads to the type of man he
is and the player he is. A couple of things.
Number one is I don't think that we can discount
the fact that it comes from this program. Every receiver
that leaves this program is ready for the NFL period.
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Look at a Mecca this year, look at JSN, look
at Garrett Wilson, look at Marvin Like every guy a lave.
Brian Hartline is the best wide receiver coach in America,
and if you come out of his tree, you will
have been coached really hard. You will understand how to
play the position, you will understand defense. And Carnell is
one of those guys. I think he's a first round
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draft pick and I would agree with you. You put him
on any other team in America where like the freak
Show is not on the other side, and and he's
the best player on the field, so I would agree
with that. And then his story, guys, right when he
got to Ohio State as a true freshman, right before
his first fall camp, his mom was tragically gunned down
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in the South side of Chicago, and he lost his
and he lost his mom, and Ryan talks about one
how devastating that moment is, obviously, but also the purpose
that that gave him and and the level of attack
that he then put into his craft after that. Incredible story.
(22:42):
An incredible human and a really really good player.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
All right, So since I had the last one, I've
been reeling because my alma mater in North Carolina has
and I've been doing well with the Bill Belichick.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
So I just I mean, like I knew that out.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
I knew it was North Carolina with you man.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Not at all, Joe, did you know there's an adult
adult cheerleading leadis? Did you know this?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
But but I'm actually I'm actually not going to ask
the Carolina question. I feel that you're having to bear
a lot of the heat because people have these expectations
of Colorado now that Dean is there. Just give me
your take on the state of Colorado's program being in
a lump.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
And knowing what it was before he got there and
what's been like since.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, fans lose perspective really fast,
really fast, and I understand that, but Colorado is in
a far better position than what they were in before
Dion got there. And here's what's happened this year is
they missed on some recruits and didn't develop on the
(23:46):
offensive line as well as they should have. That's their issue.
They needed to make a change at offensive coordinator last year,
didn't and brought in what I think is a poor
scheme into this year that didn't help the young players
that they have had. And then they partly missed one
on scheme and on transfer quarterback with Caden Salters, which
(24:08):
didn't necessarily pan out. They lose elite level players and
Shador Sanders and Travis Hunter more specifically, and Jimmy Horn
on the outside which they were able to just throw
the football around. And they won a lot of close
games last year. Well, the margin in college football has
never been closer, and in particular in the Big Twelve.
This is a really balanced league. They got a little
(24:29):
bit worse and have lost those close games. You can
point to several games. They were right there for Georgia
Tech at the end and lost that game. They were
right there at TCU lost the game of poor turnover,
and a couple of others. So you know these people
that are like, oh, this is a disaster, No, it's
not a disaster. This is college football at a program
black Colorado. If you miss on a couple of players,
(24:49):
you're going to fall on the opposite side of that
small margin. And that's where they're at. And what they
need to do to get back is they need to
hire a really good offensive coordinator, develop better on the
offensive line, and then have us system offensively that really
fits this young quarterback moving forward, Juju Lewis, who's not
going to play this week. They're going to protect his
red shirt. But yeah, I do think it's like the
narrative out there. People are like, oh, man, you know,
(25:12):
like that's that's really terrible. No, it's not. It's college football, guys.
The margins are really thin and right now in college football,
the parody has never been greater in our sport, top
to bottom. So that's really what's gone on in Colorado.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yeah, that program was dead on the table when Dion
got there, as you know, so people forget where that
thing was before he arrived and had a little blip
this year. They'll get back on track next year. Joe,
I don't know why you did it, man, You have
no business doing this show this week with all that
you got going on, But we do appreciate you guys.
Don't want to get into lane.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Every other show that I do, we talk about lank.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
We're not. We're not every other show man like We're
a little deeper.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
So I love you guys. You guys are the best.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
You guys are shuld you, buddy, have a great call.
All of a miracle will be watching, not just us.
We look forward to your call, man and sate your friendship. Buddy,
same same. Thankful for you guys on this Thanksgiving week.
I hope your listeners have a wonderful Thanksgiving. And I
cannot wait for this game. By the way, thirty degrees,
snow flurries. Oh, let's go.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
It's the only game, the only day of the year
that I'm fine being cold.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
That let's go. Man, cannot wait. Have a great call, dude.
Appreciate you, Bud, Thank you, see you guys. The great
Joel Clap there he goes Buck love him giving us
a little time. Literally the busiest week. He's probably the
most request yest this week because of that game. He's
going to be calling it. I love it. By the way,
I have no dog in the fight. I really do
not care who wins. But I hope, I hope we
(26:38):
get a slug fest. That's what I'll look.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
I'm just thinking about all of the pressure that Ohio
State walks into this contest with, considering the streak that
Michigan has been on, how Michigan feels about Ohio State
in terms of feeling like they kind of have some
ownership over them. Yeah, it's gonna be a few little
bites and scuffles and discummacies and all that.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
But she put him in the tunnel at the same
time would be my But I mean it should be
a little combative. This what we've seen for ship long,
a little chippy when I was there. I went there
once time and they literally fought and preagam. I'm like,
what is going? Oh, like I thought it was. I
thought it was a.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Robbery, like those fake robberies where and I was like, oh,
they really they really do not like each other, Like
this is really.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
My dad's from Ohio, so he he is all he
is a Buckeye fan, so he is he's locked in
on this week. I think they want this more than
they want a national championship. It's crazy, but I think
it's legit. Yeah, but Anyways, we'll see what happens all right.
I appreciate you guys hanging with us. Hope you guys
have a wonderful weekend. We'll be back on Monday with
Brian Baldinger as we look back at an incredible weekend
(27:43):
of football. Have a wonderful, wonderful time with your family.
We'll see you next time right here on with the sticks.
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