June 17, 2025 • 19 mins
On the latest Move the Sticks podcast, Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks break down how the Jacksonville Jaguars are positioning Trevor Lawrence for a star-making season in 2025. The guys dive into the “Three P’s” theory, a framework the Jaguars appear to be following to help young quarterbacks thrive early in their careers. Is this the year Lawrence takes the leap? Plus, they debate whether Trevor has what it takes to lead a team to a Super Bowl.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
What's up? Everybody?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck with you, Buck?
What is going on? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Not too much, DJ.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
This is a great opportunity for us to have a
little pot that'll be a little Bucky and Jaguar centric.
As we talked about the three piece, and I got
to tell you, I wrote an article this week on
the Jags, namely Trevor Lawrence and how the Jazz can
get them up and going, and I have to ship like,
I got a lot of notes and a lot of
commentary on the three piece, but I was like, Hey,
(00:33):
I can't take that. That's a move the sticks thing.
That's something that we created here. That's not a Blucky thing.
We have talked about that, And as we get into
this little thing on the Jaguars and how they can
get Trevor Lawrence up and going, I wanted to make
sure that everyone knew that, Look, that is something that
we've talked about on this podcast forever in terms of
how to get a young quarterback up and going.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, I feel like some of the things we've trademarked
over the years, the three pots with trademark trucks and trailers.
Definitely to revisit trucks and trailers. By the way, that
could be a fun little offseason project for us. Identify
some of the some of the true trucks in the NFL,
and then maybe some guys that are trailers wanting to
become trucks. That's a fun little assignment for us. But
(01:13):
take us behind the curtain here, buck on what you learned.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
So one of the things that you know is buzzing
around the league like Trevor Lawrence. And I think the
reason why Trevor Lawrence's name it list is such a
strong responses. Trevor Lawrence signed a five year, two hundred
and seventy five million dollars deal. He was the number
one overall pick, and I mean going back to his
freshman year at Clemson, he was hailed as a generational talent.
(01:39):
When he selected number one overall, people are still waiting
to see him be the general rational talent. That mean
he hyped him up to be entering the draft and
coming into the league and so he has had a
bit of a topsy turvy career in Jacksonville. Some of
that is because he's on his fourth dad coach in
his career, and he flashed you saw we saw the
(02:00):
playoff game in twenty twenty two when they came back
and knocked off the Chargers won a wild card game
and move forward. But it's been a lot of ups
and downs with his career, and so now Liam Cohen
is hired, James Glastone, the general manager, comes over, Tony
Boselli is elevated to EVP, and so they're trying to
figure out how do they unlock this player that we've
(02:21):
talked about for so long in terms of being talented,
and then going to Jacksonville recently and then looking at
the team and the moves that they've done. To me,
it was a reminded what we've always talked about, the
three p's and what's necessary to get a young player going.
And so I'm gonna let you remind the people what
the three p's are and then I will feel them
in on how the Jacksonville Jaguars have used those tenants
(02:44):
to really set Trevor Lawrence U for success going forward.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
If I remember correctly, I think the first time we
discussed this was when Sean McVay had got to the
Rams with Jared Goff, and we saw turnaround happen with
Jared Goff and we're trying to figure this thing out
on what all happened, and we came up with the
three p's, which were as a quarterback. And it used
to say, okay, but this is a young quarterback. Now,
(03:07):
just for any quarterback to be successful, you need to
have right play caller, you need to have some protection
up front, and you need to have some playmakers. It's
a very simple way of looking at it. But there's
a lot of truth in there.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
There's a lot of truth in there. And so it's
funny that I didn't remember if it was Sean McVay
or not. That kind of was like the origin of
where we talked the genesis, where we talked about it.
But I think it's great that that is the case
because with Liam Cohin, I think Liam Cohn is uniquely
qualified to do it. Liam Cohn was a long time
assistant coach for the La Rams, and when you think
about the La Rams, I'm gonna drive this parallel in
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terms of Liam Cohn's experience and.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
How it works with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So for the La Rams, it was Sean McVay helping
Jerrett Goff get up and going former number one overall
pick didn't go well early with Jeff Fisher, Sean McVay
finds a way to really help him become not only
a Pro Bowl quarterback, but a guy that goes to
a Super Bowl based on his improvement under his tulitis tutelage.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Later, the La.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Rams win a Super Bowl with a former number one
overall pick and Matthew Stafford. Liam Cohen had been elevated
to like office of coordinat had been around, so he
saw that development and growth. Liam goes on his own
after a stopping Kentucky and Lance in Tampa, where he
has another number one overall pick in Baker Mayfield, who
has a career year in Tampa under his watch. So
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when you think about one coach who's been around three
number one overall picks who have all played well within
a system or within a certain direction, you think, hey,
if he can take all those lessons and deal with
another number one overall pick.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
In Trevor Lawrence, it should play out well.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
So because of the experience and because of watching someone
who is super talented in Matthew Stafford, someone who's a
bit of an underdog.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
In Baker Mayfield, but he really made.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Him play at a higher level, and then Jerry Golf
who kind of falls somewhere in between. Liam Cohen has
the ability to draw on a lot of different experiences
to use the right tools to help Trevor Lawrence go
to the next level. And as we talk about tactics
and strategies in those things, those things are involved, but
it's also the one on one relationship where you buy
(05:19):
that you get the trust and the buy in from
the player to believe that the things that you're saying are.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Going to be successful.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Well, Liam Cohen can point to a bunch of guys
in similar situations who've had a lot of success following
this blueprint.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So that's going to lead me to this next point here,
it's time for Hot or Not, brought to you by
with Sabi Hot Cloud Storage. So if we start with
that first p, then Buck and you look at where
they are, and you just gave the resume of Liam Coleman,
why that should be a good fit to handle that
pee in terms of the play caller who's done it
with a bunch of different quarterbacks and has been able
(05:52):
to elevate their play. I feel like they're in a
good spot with that pe if we were then go
through the rest of the process here where they stack
up right now where they are in Jacksonville. Well, the
fun part is to talk about the playmakers.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
And I have likened this Jaguars team in a bunch
of different ways to the Rams. Now there are people
come from the Rams, so a lot of the things
that you do culturally is very close or reminiscent of
what the Rams have done to be a very successful program.
But when I look at this team offensively, they remind
me of those early Rams teams when you had Robert
Woods and Cooper Cup and Brendan Cooks, guys that were fast, dynamic,
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They were interchangeable, but they had big playability. When I
look at this current iteration of the Jaguars receivers, I
see Brian Thomas Junior, who had looked by far the
best rookie season of all the wideouts given his dynamic effects,
his impact, and really the big plays he produced as
a rookie. You now bring in the number two overall
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pick in Travis Hunter, who is a dynamic player in
his own right. You add an explosive element in Deyanmi
Brown for the Washington Commanders, who really began to scratch
some of the potential, show some of the potential and
the postseason of what he can do. Now this is
a faster, more dynamic supporting cast around Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So you not only have the ability to push the
ball down the field.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Which plays to Trevor Lawrence's strength, but now the horizontal game,
the catch and run things that we saw the Rams
do in those early years, those early days with Jared Goff,
you can implement some of those things. And with a
tied end like Brenton Strange being able to control the middle,
this offense is more dynamic, but there are more ways
that they can attack while making the game very very
easy for the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Everybody's hunting explosives and they've added man over the last
couple of years. They've built a real explosive unit there,
a core of guys, and I think that does take
care of that p I think they're in pretty good
shape there when you look at those playmakers. By the way,
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comfortable where they are with a play caller, they've got
a dynamic, explosive group around him in terms of some
skill set players to help elevate Trevor Lawrence. This is
where the rubber meets the road for me, and I'm
curious as someone who's close to the situation, has that
even been there in the spring and seen these guys
past protection? Where are we at here?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Buck? We know DJ, We've talked about it.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
There are two ways that you can go about approaching
to the offensive line. We can use the no Tomato
can process where A it's not necessarily about having the
high end guys all over, but it's making sure that
we minimize the deficiencies that you have on the lot.
So you may not have all great players, but if
you have good and solid players, you can get it done.
(08:39):
I believe the Jaguars have opted for that because there's
a lot of conversations like a, should they go and
get a high end guy?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Where should they use an O line guide?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
They used a first round pick a year ago or
a couple of years ago, on Anton Harrison, but they
have elected to kind of try and put it together
to eliminate the deficiencies on the offensive line. Six new
faces amongst the offensive line to you compete for some
spots that are available. You have Walker Little, who's a returner.
You then you look on the other side. You have
(09:08):
Anton Harrison, you have Ezra Cleveland. But by no means
are any of those guaranteed an opportunity to start. You
bring six new guys in from all different walks of life.
Patrick Mharrie comes from the Baltimore Ravens, Robert Hainsey, Chimmiandoka
Fred Johnson. You have two draft picks and Whyt Mullum
and Jonah Monham Monham and you put those guys in
(09:29):
there and you let them compete. And what I would
say is different. A lot of times people talk about
a competition, but it's not really a competition. We already
have the depth chart drawn up in the office cause
we know, hey, this is probably how it's gonna start.
We're gonna tell them on the field that's a competition,
but this is where we're gonna get to. But each
I can tell you they're really going to have a
competition because no one really knows who that's starting five
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is going to be. And you like to talk about
competition raising the level of play throughout the building. This
is an opportunity for the group to get better because
it is a very editive environment and no one really
knows who's going to get those those final chairs in
the game of musical chairs.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
So if we use the scale that we've talked about
on here before, uh, the one that that the grading
scale that we had on on the Ravens, which is
kind of a scouting system that's kind of made its
way around a lot of the NFL. But we talked
about three to seven. Right, five is dead average, six
above average, seven excellent, you know, four below average, three poor.
If I'm going to grade them, which would be a
(10:27):
fun assignment. By the way, if you're listening to this,
take your team and run them through this on the
three piece with that scale. If I'm going to go
play caller, I'm probably gonna go a six on Liam Cohen.
You know what, the recent success that he's had and
I like who he's learned under, So I'm gonna give
him a six on that three to seven scale. Playmakers
around him I'm gonna go I mean, I could probably
(10:47):
fudge and say six plus.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I mean I could.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I don't know if I'm gonna get to seven, but
they got a chance, they have a chance to be
a seven. But I'm gonna keep them at a six
for now.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
But that's that's.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Plenty good enough. And then when you get to the
pass protection, I'm probably going to be optimistic five, optimistic five.
But I would say if the play callers could trend
six north, I would say pass protection could be five south.
Like that, I think at the end of the year
we're going to be talking about this pass protection as
a four or a five. I don't know if they're
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good enough to be a six, but I think the
playmakers could be a six or a seven.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And so the thing that you and I know and
watching a bunch of ball, the play call and the
playmakers can make the protectors so much better. Right, there's
a way that you can call the game that limits
the exposure that the offensive line faces from the defense.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Whether that's more quick game, whether it's catchup run.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Concepts, whether that is doing a bunch of different things
moving the launch point, so the defense never really knows
where the quarterback is going to be There are things
that the play caller can do to really enhance and
protect the protectors. But at the end of the day,
when you look at the Jaguars, the offensive line is
really where the rubber Mester road and where it's going
to be sided. How good they are are offensively. If
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they're solid, meaning if they just play at a five level,
this seemed to be good enough to get to the
ten win mark because the offensive weapons on a perimeter
are legit. But if the offensive line doesn't play well,
they don't have a chance to be able to to
be able to get it done. So we could talk
about the play call and the playmakers, but ultimately their
fate will be decided on how to protect his play
(12:21):
at the line of scrimmage. But that's a lot of
teams in the National Football League. The old line played
matters and you have to pay close attention to it.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, so how would you.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I'm gonna put your coaches hat on, Buck, and I'm
gonna tell you right now, you're gonna play the Houston Texans,
and you're gonna line up and you're gonna see Danil
Hunter on one side. You're gonna look over to the
other side, and you're gonna go, oh crap. It only
gets worse from there. Will Anderson's on the opposite side.
We've got de Nico Autry, who's gonna roll through there.
They signed Darryl Taylor. That's a lot of dudes with
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a lot of juice coming at you off the edge.
If you're gonna put on that play caller, you know
about all those playmakers you've got, what's the best way
to try neutralize that?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Look, man, I think the ball is going to have
to come out, and I think what you're gonna have
to rely on.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Is you're going to have to rely on your ability
to get in.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I'm telling you, man, if you go back and look
at the twenty seventeen, eighteen nineteen Rams when they got
in those tight, clustered alignments, and it prevented you from
really putting your hands on the receiver, so you never
can neutralize your speed.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
To me, I think it stars there.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
How can I create different ways to get free access
for my playmakers, because the belief in the building has
to be that our playmakers are better than your defenders.
But we got to find a way to protect the
quarterbacks that we can get to them. I think condensed
and cluster formations, lots of motion to keep them on
the move, and then it's going to be about how
can we find a way to put the best five
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out there. In my estimation, I would think that like
Walker Little and Anton Harrison, I get purse bited the apple,
but they got to be able to hold up in
one on one situations because in a perfect world, you
want to get all five out in the route and
you want the quarterback to be able to have all
the weapons out there so we can utilize it. But
it puts more on sixteen to identify where the pressure
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is coming from and to get the ball out. So
as much as I talk about the protection, can number
sixteen beat defensive coordinators with his mind by understanding where
the pressure is coming from and knowing where I got
to get the ball out to allow my playmakers to
do where they do really real in space.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
All right, last question for you here, and again this
was a quick one today, just tackling this issue, and
you can find this article on NFL dot com where
Bucky jumped into this. We've talked about some of the
different things that we've coined on our show over the years.
Three p's tractors and trailers. No tomato cans. You mentioned
that one as well.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Three those are three.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I mean we should copyright all these, right, those are.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Three of them.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The fourth one is the confetti tests. We've always talked
about the confetti test on the show. Can you envision
a world where you know, right place has got to
be in place? But is Trevor Lawrence good enough to
be standing there as the confetti falls from the ceiling
for him to be a Super Bowl winning quarterback?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, because he has a couple of things that you
have to have.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
He has the talent and he has the character.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
The talent is it means like, look, he's the first
round over our pick for a reason.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
You don't see people that size, that arm, that athleticism
that can do it.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
But from a character's standpoint, I think he matches the
tests in terms of his football character, his work ethic.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
His leadership ability.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Now, I would say that I would say that if
we're looking at the way the team has to be constructed,
I think more Jerret Golf than Matthew Stafford in terms
of protecting with the schematics to be able to get
it done. I feel like Matthew Stafford, you can drop
in any system and it works. I don't see Trevor
in that, but I see Trevor as good enough to
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have the confetti fall on his shoulders if put in
the right system, which I think he's in, surrounded by
the right players, which is certainly there. That to me
is a recipe for success. So I'm excited to see
what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You've mentioned this before, and I think you might even
have said this when we were chatting with our buddy
John Gordon about the importance of confidence with Trevor. Like
we can talk about the three p's, we can talk
about building the team around him and putting him in
a position where he can be successful. I think, more
than anything else for him and the Jags buck if
he can get to the starting pistol with with a
(16:12):
lot of confidence and a lot of belief not only
in his coaches and his players around him, but in himself,
more than anything else, I think that's going to be
the driver whether this thing works or not.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Look, I think a lot of it is like the
intrinsically motivated, the confidence that comes inside, But I believe
it's different than that.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
No matter what.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And we've heard Tom Creane talk about this on podcasts
in the past in terms of like, if the team
feels like the coach truly believes in them, the players
will play for him.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's still like middle school football, right.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
If they feel like the coach really believes in them,
they're gonna get ice cream sandwiches at the end, They're
gonna play hard.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
To me, I feel like this is basic of that.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
If Trevor Lawrence really feels like Liam Cohen is doing
the best for him, believes in him and believes that
he's his guy, he's gonna raise his game up.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
And I think that's it.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
So that's why that relationship, that communication that they have,
more importantly, the belief, the connectivity, the trust that they
have in one another will ultimately determine the success.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
If number sixteen believes.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That the head coach sees him as his guy, then
he's gonna play at another level. And so I think
that is the thing. And so over the course of
training camp in preseason is going to be really important
for Liam and Trevor to get that relationship that bond
established because if number fifteen, number sixteen feels like them
coin is that battery pack in his back. He's gonna
play at another level, probably a level that we haven't
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seen him play at in this leepe.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Tell me if I'm crazy on this one. I this
has become a trend over the last maybe five to
ten years. I'm all in on it. Where and I don't.
There's no data to back this up. So this is
not part of our hot or Not segment, But buck
during this time of year, this lull, this dead period
that's coming up. If I don't see that my quarterback
is gathering his receivers for some type of a can
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coon trip southern California, Florida where we're gona try and.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Get everybody together to throw a little bit.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I get a little concerned, as you should.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Look, man, you got to be able to do extra
and that.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Commitment quarterback playmakers them spending extra time away from it,
them building bonds beyond what the workouts are, having dinners together,
becoming friends, like being able to finish each other's sentences
because they spend so much time together. We always talk
about like the relationship part of the business, but how
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the relationships really matter for the quarterback. It's really important
that all those guys are connected because when the storm comes,
as it always does, man your ability to believe in
one another, to stay together in the storm, to whether
the storm that's ultimately what matters. It also determines whether
you come out of the storm or.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Not, yain no doubt. Well, look, this was a quick
one today, but a fun one. You mentioned about Tom Crean.
We actually recorded that today, an episode of Tom Crean
that we're going to release I believe July week. We'll
have that one out, which was a great conversation, so
be on the lookout for that. We continue to kind
of grab some of our favorites to talk to on
the pod and really makes it a fun time year
(19:10):
for us and I hope you guys will enjoy it
as well. So that's can do it for us today.
We appreciate you guys, and we'll see you next time
right here on.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Move the sticks.
And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
What's up? Everybody?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck with you, Buck?
What is going on? Man?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Not too much, DJ.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
This is a great opportunity for us to have a
little pot that'll be a little Bucky and Jaguar centric.
As we talked about the three piece, and I got
to tell you, I wrote an article this week on
the Jags, namely Trevor Lawrence and how the Jazz can
get them up and going, and I have to ship like,
I got a lot of notes and a lot of
commentary on the three piece, but I was like, Hey,
(00:33):
I can't take that. That's a move the sticks thing.
That's something that we created here. That's not a Blucky thing.
We have talked about that, And as we get into
this little thing on the Jaguars and how they can
get Trevor Lawrence up and going, I wanted to make
sure that everyone knew that, Look, that is something that
we've talked about on this podcast forever in terms of
how to get a young quarterback up and going.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Yeah, I feel like some of the things we've trademarked
over the years, the three pots with trademark trucks and trailers.
Definitely to revisit trucks and trailers. By the way, that
could be a fun little offseason project for us. Identify
some of the some of the true trucks in the NFL,
and then maybe some guys that are trailers wanting to
become trucks. That's a fun little assignment for us. But
(01:13):
take us behind the curtain here, buck on what you learned.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
So one of the things that you know is buzzing
around the league like Trevor Lawrence. And I think the
reason why Trevor Lawrence's name it list is such a
strong responses. Trevor Lawrence signed a five year, two hundred
and seventy five million dollars deal. He was the number
one overall pick, and I mean going back to his
freshman year at Clemson, he was hailed as a generational talent.
(01:39):
When he selected number one overall, people are still waiting
to see him be the general rational talent. That mean
he hyped him up to be entering the draft and
coming into the league and so he has had a
bit of a topsy turvy career in Jacksonville. Some of
that is because he's on his fourth dad coach in
his career, and he flashed you saw we saw the
(02:00):
playoff game in twenty twenty two when they came back
and knocked off the Chargers won a wild card game
and move forward. But it's been a lot of ups
and downs with his career, and so now Liam Cohen
is hired, James Glastone, the general manager, comes over, Tony
Boselli is elevated to EVP, and so they're trying to
figure out how do they unlock this player that we've
(02:21):
talked about for so long in terms of being talented,
and then going to Jacksonville recently and then looking at
the team and the moves that they've done. To me,
it was a reminded what we've always talked about, the
three p's and what's necessary to get a young player going.
And so I'm gonna let you remind the people what
the three p's are and then I will feel them
in on how the Jacksonville Jaguars have used those tenants
(02:44):
to really set Trevor Lawrence U for success going forward.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
If I remember correctly, I think the first time we
discussed this was when Sean McVay had got to the
Rams with Jared Goff, and we saw turnaround happen with
Jared Goff and we're trying to figure this thing out
on what all happened, and we came up with the
three p's, which were as a quarterback. And it used
to say, okay, but this is a young quarterback. Now,
(03:07):
just for any quarterback to be successful, you need to
have right play caller, you need to have some protection
up front, and you need to have some playmakers. It's
a very simple way of looking at it. But there's
a lot of truth in there.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
There's a lot of truth in there. And so it's
funny that I didn't remember if it was Sean McVay
or not. That kind of was like the origin of
where we talked the genesis, where we talked about it.
But I think it's great that that is the case
because with Liam Cohin, I think Liam Cohn is uniquely
qualified to do it. Liam Cohn was a long time
assistant coach for the La Rams, and when you think
about the La Rams, I'm gonna drive this parallel in
(03:41):
terms of Liam Cohn's experience and.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
How it works with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
So for the La Rams, it was Sean McVay helping
Jerrett Goff get up and going former number one overall
pick didn't go well early with Jeff Fisher, Sean McVay
finds a way to really help him become not only
a Pro Bowl quarterback, but a guy that goes to
a Super Bowl based on his improvement under his tulitis tutelage.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
Later, the La.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Rams win a Super Bowl with a former number one
overall pick and Matthew Stafford. Liam Cohen had been elevated
to like office of coordinat had been around, so he
saw that development and growth. Liam goes on his own
after a stopping Kentucky and Lance in Tampa, where he
has another number one overall pick in Baker Mayfield, who
has a career year in Tampa under his watch. So
(04:30):
when you think about one coach who's been around three
number one overall picks who have all played well within
a system or within a certain direction, you think, hey,
if he can take all those lessons and deal with
another number one overall pick.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
In Trevor Lawrence, it should play out well.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
So because of the experience and because of watching someone
who is super talented in Matthew Stafford, someone who's a
bit of an underdog.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
In Baker Mayfield, but he really made.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Him play at a higher level, and then Jerry Golf
who kind of falls somewhere in between. Liam Cohen has
the ability to draw on a lot of different experiences
to use the right tools to help Trevor Lawrence go
to the next level. And as we talk about tactics
and strategies in those things, those things are involved, but
it's also the one on one relationship where you buy
(05:19):
that you get the trust and the buy in from
the player to believe that the things that you're saying are.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Going to be successful.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Well, Liam Cohen can point to a bunch of guys
in similar situations who've had a lot of success following
this blueprint.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
So that's going to lead me to this next point here,
it's time for Hot or Not, brought to you by
with Sabi Hot Cloud Storage. So if we start with
that first p, then Buck and you look at where
they are, and you just gave the resume of Liam Coleman,
why that should be a good fit to handle that
pee in terms of the play caller who's done it
with a bunch of different quarterbacks and has been able
(05:52):
to elevate their play. I feel like they're in a
good spot with that pe if we were then go
through the rest of the process here where they stack
up right now where they are in Jacksonville. Well, the
fun part is to talk about the playmakers.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
And I have likened this Jaguars team in a bunch
of different ways to the Rams. Now there are people
come from the Rams, so a lot of the things
that you do culturally is very close or reminiscent of
what the Rams have done to be a very successful program.
But when I look at this team offensively, they remind
me of those early Rams teams when you had Robert
Woods and Cooper Cup and Brendan Cooks, guys that were fast, dynamic,
(06:26):
They were interchangeable, but they had big playability. When I
look at this current iteration of the Jaguars receivers, I
see Brian Thomas Junior, who had looked by far the
best rookie season of all the wideouts given his dynamic effects,
his impact, and really the big plays he produced as
a rookie. You now bring in the number two overall
(06:46):
pick in Travis Hunter, who is a dynamic player in
his own right. You add an explosive element in Deyanmi
Brown for the Washington Commanders, who really began to scratch
some of the potential, show some of the potential and
the postseason of what he can do. Now this is
a faster, more dynamic supporting cast around Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
So you not only have the ability to push the
ball down the field.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Which plays to Trevor Lawrence's strength, but now the horizontal game,
the catch and run things that we saw the Rams
do in those early years, those early days with Jared Goff,
you can implement some of those things. And with a
tied end like Brenton Strange being able to control the middle,
this offense is more dynamic, but there are more ways
that they can attack while making the game very very
easy for the quarterback.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Everybody's hunting explosives and they've added man over the last
couple of years. They've built a real explosive unit there,
a core of guys, and I think that does take
care of that p I think they're in pretty good
shape there when you look at those playmakers. By the way,
that was this week's Hot or Not segment, brought to
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Withsabi dot com. So if we're going to say we're
(07:54):
comfortable where they are with a play caller, they've got
a dynamic, explosive group around him in terms of some
skill set players to help elevate Trevor Lawrence. This is
where the rubber meets the road for me, and I'm
curious as someone who's close to the situation, has that
even been there in the spring and seen these guys
past protection? Where are we at here?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
Buck? We know DJ, We've talked about it.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
There are two ways that you can go about approaching
to the offensive line. We can use the no Tomato
can process where A it's not necessarily about having the
high end guys all over, but it's making sure that
we minimize the deficiencies that you have on the lot.
So you may not have all great players, but if
you have good and solid players, you can get it done.
(08:39):
I believe the Jaguars have opted for that because there's
a lot of conversations like a, should they go and
get a high end guy?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Where should they use an O line guide?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
They used a first round pick a year ago or
a couple of years ago, on Anton Harrison, but they
have elected to kind of try and put it together
to eliminate the deficiencies on the offensive line. Six new
faces amongst the offensive line to you compete for some
spots that are available. You have Walker Little, who's a returner.
You then you look on the other side. You have
(09:08):
Anton Harrison, you have Ezra Cleveland. But by no means
are any of those guaranteed an opportunity to start. You
bring six new guys in from all different walks of life.
Patrick Mharrie comes from the Baltimore Ravens, Robert Hainsey, Chimmiandoka
Fred Johnson. You have two draft picks and Whyt Mullum
and Jonah Monham Monham and you put those guys in
(09:29):
there and you let them compete. And what I would
say is different. A lot of times people talk about
a competition, but it's not really a competition. We already
have the depth chart drawn up in the office cause
we know, hey, this is probably how it's gonna start.
We're gonna tell them on the field that's a competition,
but this is where we're gonna get to. But each
I can tell you they're really going to have a
competition because no one really knows who that's starting five
(09:50):
is going to be. And you like to talk about
competition raising the level of play throughout the building. This
is an opportunity for the group to get better because
it is a very editive environment and no one really
knows who's going to get those those final chairs in
the game of musical chairs.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
So if we use the scale that we've talked about
on here before, uh, the one that that the grading
scale that we had on on the Ravens, which is
kind of a scouting system that's kind of made its
way around a lot of the NFL. But we talked
about three to seven. Right, five is dead average, six
above average, seven excellent, you know, four below average, three poor.
If I'm going to grade them, which would be a
(10:27):
fun assignment. By the way, if you're listening to this,
take your team and run them through this on the
three piece with that scale. If I'm going to go
play caller, I'm probably gonna go a six on Liam Cohen.
You know what, the recent success that he's had and
I like who he's learned under, So I'm gonna give
him a six on that three to seven scale. Playmakers
around him I'm gonna go I mean, I could probably
(10:47):
fudge and say six plus.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
I mean I could.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
I don't know if I'm gonna get to seven, but
they got a chance, they have a chance to be
a seven. But I'm gonna keep them at a six
for now.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
But that's that's.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Plenty good enough. And then when you get to the
pass protection, I'm probably going to be optimistic five, optimistic five.
But I would say if the play callers could trend
six north, I would say pass protection could be five south.
Like that, I think at the end of the year
we're going to be talking about this pass protection as
a four or a five. I don't know if they're
(11:18):
good enough to be a six, but I think the
playmakers could be a six or a seven.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
And so the thing that you and I know and
watching a bunch of ball, the play call and the
playmakers can make the protectors so much better. Right, there's
a way that you can call the game that limits
the exposure that the offensive line faces from the defense.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Whether that's more quick game, whether it's catchup run.
Speaker 3 (11:39):
Concepts, whether that is doing a bunch of different things
moving the launch point, so the defense never really knows
where the quarterback is going to be There are things
that the play caller can do to really enhance and
protect the protectors. But at the end of the day,
when you look at the Jaguars, the offensive line is
really where the rubber Mester road and where it's going
to be sided. How good they are are offensively. If
(12:01):
they're solid, meaning if they just play at a five level,
this seemed to be good enough to get to the
ten win mark because the offensive weapons on a perimeter
are legit. But if the offensive line doesn't play well,
they don't have a chance to be able to to
be able to get it done. So we could talk
about the play call and the playmakers, but ultimately their
fate will be decided on how to protect his play
(12:21):
at the line of scrimmage. But that's a lot of
teams in the National Football League. The old line played
matters and you have to pay close attention to it.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
Yeah, so how would you.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I'm gonna put your coaches hat on, Buck, and I'm
gonna tell you right now, you're gonna play the Houston Texans,
and you're gonna line up and you're gonna see Danil
Hunter on one side. You're gonna look over to the
other side, and you're gonna go, oh crap. It only
gets worse from there. Will Anderson's on the opposite side.
We've got de Nico Autry, who's gonna roll through there.
They signed Darryl Taylor. That's a lot of dudes with
(12:50):
a lot of juice coming at you off the edge.
If you're gonna put on that play caller, you know
about all those playmakers you've got, what's the best way
to try neutralize that?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Look, man, I think the ball is going to have
to come out, and I think what you're gonna have
to rely on.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
Is you're going to have to rely on your ability
to get in.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
I'm telling you, man, if you go back and look
at the twenty seventeen, eighteen nineteen Rams when they got
in those tight, clustered alignments, and it prevented you from
really putting your hands on the receiver, so you never
can neutralize your speed.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
To me, I think it stars there.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
How can I create different ways to get free access
for my playmakers, because the belief in the building has
to be that our playmakers are better than your defenders.
But we got to find a way to protect the
quarterbacks that we can get to them. I think condensed
and cluster formations, lots of motion to keep them on
the move, and then it's going to be about how
can we find a way to put the best five
(13:41):
out there. In my estimation, I would think that like
Walker Little and Anton Harrison, I get purse bited the apple,
but they got to be able to hold up in
one on one situations because in a perfect world, you
want to get all five out in the route and
you want the quarterback to be able to have all
the weapons out there so we can utilize it. But
it puts more on sixteen to identify where the pressure
(14:02):
is coming from and to get the ball out. So
as much as I talk about the protection, can number
sixteen beat defensive coordinators with his mind by understanding where
the pressure is coming from and knowing where I got
to get the ball out to allow my playmakers to
do where they do really real in space.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
All right, last question for you here, and again this
was a quick one today, just tackling this issue, and
you can find this article on NFL dot com where
Bucky jumped into this. We've talked about some of the
different things that we've coined on our show over the years.
Three p's tractors and trailers. No tomato cans. You mentioned
that one as well.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Three those are three.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
I mean we should copyright all these, right, those are.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Three of them.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
The fourth one is the confetti tests. We've always talked
about the confetti test on the show. Can you envision
a world where you know, right place has got to
be in place? But is Trevor Lawrence good enough to
be standing there as the confetti falls from the ceiling
for him to be a Super Bowl winning quarterback?
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah, because he has a couple of things that you
have to have.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
He has the talent and he has the character.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
The talent is it means like, look, he's the first
round over our pick for a reason.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
You don't see people that size, that arm, that athleticism
that can do it.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
But from a character's standpoint, I think he matches the
tests in terms of his football character, his work ethic.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
His leadership ability.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Now, I would say that I would say that if
we're looking at the way the team has to be constructed,
I think more Jerret Golf than Matthew Stafford in terms
of protecting with the schematics to be able to get
it done. I feel like Matthew Stafford, you can drop
in any system and it works. I don't see Trevor
in that, but I see Trevor as good enough to
(15:39):
have the confetti fall on his shoulders if put in
the right system, which I think he's in, surrounded by
the right players, which is certainly there. That to me
is a recipe for success. So I'm excited to see
what it looks like.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
You've mentioned this before, and I think you might even
have said this when we were chatting with our buddy
John Gordon about the importance of confidence with Trevor. Like
we can talk about the three p's, we can talk
about building the team around him and putting him in
a position where he can be successful. I think, more
than anything else for him and the Jags buck if
he can get to the starting pistol with with a
(16:12):
lot of confidence and a lot of belief not only
in his coaches and his players around him, but in himself,
more than anything else, I think that's going to be
the driver whether this thing works or not.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Look, I think a lot of it is like the
intrinsically motivated, the confidence that comes inside, But I believe
it's different than that.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
No matter what.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
And we've heard Tom Creane talk about this on podcasts
in the past in terms of like, if the team
feels like the coach truly believes in them, the players
will play for him.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
It's still like middle school football, right.
Speaker 3 (16:43):
If they feel like the coach really believes in them,
they're gonna get ice cream sandwiches at the end, They're
gonna play hard.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
To me, I feel like this is basic of that.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
If Trevor Lawrence really feels like Liam Cohen is doing
the best for him, believes in him and believes that
he's his guy, he's gonna raise his game up.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
And I think that's it.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
So that's why that relationship, that communication that they have,
more importantly, the belief, the connectivity, the trust that they
have in one another will ultimately determine the success.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
If number sixteen believes.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
That the head coach sees him as his guy, then
he's gonna play at another level. And so I think
that is the thing. And so over the course of
training camp in preseason is going to be really important
for Liam and Trevor to get that relationship that bond
established because if number fifteen, number sixteen feels like them
coin is that battery pack in his back. He's gonna
play at another level, probably a level that we haven't
(17:34):
seen him play at in this leepe.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Tell me if I'm crazy on this one. I this
has become a trend over the last maybe five to
ten years. I'm all in on it. Where and I don't.
There's no data to back this up. So this is
not part of our hot or Not segment, But buck
during this time of year, this lull, this dead period
that's coming up. If I don't see that my quarterback
is gathering his receivers for some type of a can
(17:59):
coon trip southern California, Florida where we're gona try and.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Get everybody together to throw a little bit.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
I get a little concerned, as you should.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Look, man, you got to be able to do extra
and that.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Commitment quarterback playmakers them spending extra time away from it,
them building bonds beyond what the workouts are, having dinners together,
becoming friends, like being able to finish each other's sentences
because they spend so much time together. We always talk
about like the relationship part of the business, but how
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the relationships really matter for the quarterback. It's really important
that all those guys are connected because when the storm comes,
as it always does, man your ability to believe in
one another, to stay together in the storm, to whether
the storm that's ultimately what matters. It also determines whether
you come out of the storm or.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Not, yain no doubt. Well, look, this was a quick
one today, but a fun one. You mentioned about Tom Crean.
We actually recorded that today, an episode of Tom Crean
that we're going to release I believe July week. We'll
have that one out, which was a great conversation, so
be on the lookout for that. We continue to kind
of grab some of our favorites to talk to on
the pod and really makes it a fun time year
(19:10):
for us and I hope you guys will enjoy it
as well. So that's can do it for us today.
We appreciate you guys, and we'll see you next time
right here on.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Move the sticks.
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